**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Oct 26 03:00:12 2010 Oct 26 03:00:16 johnx, I only just opened it Oct 26 03:00:27 Termana, well, you might have just killed it Oct 26 03:00:31 You can - at least here - buy phone insurance for your purchased phone Oct 26 03:01:00 johnx, I had it in a bag of rice for 3 days before that Oct 26 03:01:20 SpeedEvil, that is what an unscrupulous person would do Oct 26 03:01:38 Rice does essentially nothin Oct 26 03:01:39 g Oct 26 03:01:41 SpeedEvil, however I, unlike you and ieatlint, have ethics and morals Oct 26 03:01:53 I've always been a fan of open it and apply warmth, but it's your phone :) Oct 26 03:01:59 give it time, they'll go away Oct 26 03:02:07 johnx, I think it's God's phone now Oct 26 03:02:08 :p Oct 26 03:02:09 ieatlint, yeah, I was halfway through typing that ... Oct 26 03:02:14 :) Oct 26 03:02:31 Termana: I diddn't say I would do the above. Oct 26 03:05:46 Termana: heh, is the connection good, to god? Oct 26 03:06:29 ieatlint, BOFH (bastard operator from hell), is basically the training manual for sysadmins. (start reading here if you're interested: http://bofh.ntk.net/BOFH/0000/bastard01.php ) Oct 26 03:06:31 Termana: probably your brother had to drown the phone in holy water, otherwise it won't correctly connect to god's network Oct 26 03:08:45 hah, i've heard enough sysadmin horror stories to last me a while Oct 26 03:08:54 and i've dealt with a number myself Oct 26 03:09:01 Hey, can the n900 plug into usb flash drives yet? Oct 26 03:09:19 DocScrutinizer, heh Oct 26 03:09:36 I'm surprised no one has screamed at me to wait for the N9 instead of buying another N900 :p Oct 26 03:09:52 At least some people have some sense Oct 26 03:10:05 Termana: would send you my N900 if I owned it :) Oct 26 03:12:14 Termana, your money :) Oct 26 03:12:54 plus, the N9 sounds like 2011 Oct 26 03:13:45 johnx, 2011 is basically when I'll be getting the n900 anyway Oct 26 03:14:00 andrewfblack, thanks anyway ;) Oct 26 03:14:02 you should wait for the N9 Oct 26 03:14:11 johnx, you got to really scream it Oct 26 03:14:16 meh Oct 26 03:14:19 johnx, like you're from t.m.o Oct 26 03:14:20 GET N(!! Oct 26 03:14:29 that smacks of effort Oct 26 03:15:20 whats better, witter or kweeteur? Oct 26 03:20:16 johnx, okay, backup completed, should I just reflash it? or do you think there is a way to fix it Oct 26 03:20:51 no ideas off the top of my head ... Oct 26 03:20:54 heh Oct 26 03:20:59 okay Oct 26 03:21:22 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/h-e-n have any of you tried this hostmode? The biggest thread on it said it was continuing discussion "somewhere else"... Oct 26 03:21:29 I seem to remember something about there being some way to regenerate the icon cache Oct 26 03:21:35 I keep getting popups that the calendar app closed Oct 26 03:21:36 also, might be worth trying a reboot, just for fun Oct 26 03:21:46 yeah, i did a reboot Oct 26 03:21:54 seems there is a lot of stuff that is fuxored Oct 26 03:22:05 the browser loaded engadget super fast though Oct 26 03:22:13 which is cool, lol Oct 26 03:22:28 I could believe that some apps won't behave right without their icons Oct 26 03:22:35 internetishard: see Oct 26 03:22:39 but yeah, reflashing is probably easiest in the long run Oct 26 03:22:43 ~hostmode Oct 26 03:22:44 methinks hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 Oct 26 03:23:00 yeah, exact post I'm on heh Oct 26 03:23:09 even the stuff like the buttons/icons along the top of the home screen are not there Oct 26 03:23:28 did you do some optifying by hand before the upgrade? Oct 26 03:23:38 no Oct 26 03:23:47 I don't have very many apps installed on it Oct 26 03:24:09 could you see if opt is even mounted? Oct 26 03:25:03 looks like it is Oct 26 03:26:42 at this point, you could start digging around in the terminal (start in /usr/share/icons) or reflash Oct 26 03:30:40 Okay, by the looks of h-e-n there hasn't been any progress since sep23rd Oct 26 03:33:27 * johnx sleeps Oct 26 03:34:04 no sleep! Oct 26 03:42:16 internetishard: which progress would you expect to see? Oct 26 03:45:43 Just posts about what the people messing with it are getting Oct 26 03:45:48 I guess Oct 26 03:46:21 you seen http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=843060#post843060 ? Oct 26 03:46:42 yep Oct 26 03:47:02 but mostly the 100page thread, I'll reada through this one nwo Oct 26 03:47:25 forget the 100page thread Oct 26 03:47:40 I did, just read the last pages Oct 26 03:47:53 except if you're interested in joining the team and really understand how hostmode works Oct 26 03:48:54 btw my last edit in http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=843060#post843060 is of 2010-10-18 Oct 26 03:49:11 hey, cool, thanks Oct 26 03:49:19 You're joerg_rw? Oct 26 03:49:22 hmm Oct 26 03:49:27 ~joerg Oct 26 03:49:28 rumour has it, joerg is a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko, usually known as DocScrutinizer Oct 26 03:49:28 the pulseaudio stuff is quite noticeable on pr1.3 Oct 26 03:49:42 lolz Oct 26 03:49:57 specially when using otherwise cpu-bounded applications that have to go through PA (emulators, etc.) Oct 26 03:50:36 javispedro: define "noticeable" Oct 26 03:50:46 perceptible Oct 26 03:50:49 visually. Oct 26 03:50:54 so a bad thing? Oct 26 03:51:14 no, in the good sense. Oct 26 03:51:20 PA's CPU usage has been reduced Oct 26 03:51:26 aah Oct 26 03:51:35 with an improved mixing algorithm or some other black magic Oct 26 03:51:36 \o/ Oct 26 03:51:59 so, say, if PA uses 2% cpu less, my emu just got 2% more cpu time :) Oct 26 03:52:07 net result is: faster emu. Oct 26 03:52:09 (visually) Oct 26 03:52:09 You can see 2%? Oct 26 03:52:22 SpeedEvil: the 2% is invented Oct 26 03:52:39 Ah. Oct 26 03:53:10 well, cya. Oct 26 04:07:35 anyone home ?? Oct 26 04:07:54 No. I am at a Mexican restaurant, for example. Oct 26 04:08:09 Guys does BP-4L fit in N900 Oct 26 04:08:10 ?? Oct 26 04:08:17 N810 battery ?? Oct 26 04:09:52 um Oct 26 04:09:54 sure Oct 26 04:10:02 you only need to bend the rules of physics Oct 26 04:10:05 it's not a big deal Oct 26 04:10:20 the BP-4L battery is bigger than the compartment. Oct 26 04:11:08 ok Oct 26 04:11:11 chx: oooh, i want 3 carne asada tacos Oct 26 04:11:44 hrm... have strong urge to go to a taqueria now.. damn you. Oct 26 04:11:58 eat lint Oct 26 04:12:16 lint eater Oct 26 04:12:29 don't hate Oct 26 04:12:48 brute force you Oct 26 04:13:13 i am still feeling sleepy Oct 26 04:13:15 bah, you can't brute force me that well Oct 26 04:13:31 ieatlint: That's what she said Oct 26 04:13:47 spinningcompass: no, it's what he said at the bear bar Oct 26 04:13:54 * spinningcompass shudders Oct 26 04:13:58 do u know !! N900 has password generator Oct 26 04:13:58 and he was wrong Oct 26 04:14:01 so very wrong Oct 26 04:14:24 type apg (works in easydebian) Oct 26 04:15:19 i'm voting right now Oct 26 04:15:43 apparently a judge that advocates racial profiling as an effective way to combat terrorism is up for re-election Oct 26 04:17:21 ieatlint, don't need to tell us which way you're voting then Oct 26 04:17:24 :p Oct 26 04:17:33 infobot :Combat Terrorism is a banned subject Oct 26 04:17:33 okay, rokr1 Oct 26 04:17:38 hah Oct 26 04:17:49 lol Oct 26 04:17:52 rokr1: What about rainbows? Oct 26 04:17:53 yeah, that was as far as i was going to take it actually :P Oct 26 04:18:13 thats artillery shell Oct 26 04:18:22 spinning compass Oct 26 04:18:33 or ICBM Oct 26 04:18:34 rokr1, so tell me, is it Combat Terrorism that is banned or Combat(ing) Terrorism that is banned? Oct 26 04:18:35 :p Oct 26 04:19:07 hypothetical question Oct 26 04:19:16 synthetic answer Oct 26 04:19:20 tell me Oct 26 04:20:18 rokr1: Wait, are you asking me? Oct 26 04:20:19 Is that the question? Oct 26 04:20:26 pvanhoof Oct 26 04:20:32 welcome Oct 26 04:20:37 Ok, I'll tell me pvanhoof Oct 26 04:20:38 you Oct 26 04:20:48 rokr1, pvanhoof Oct 26 04:20:55 now will answer the question? :p Oct 26 04:21:02 I'm so confused. Oct 26 04:21:23 go to sleep spinning GPS Oct 26 04:21:24 spinningcompass, that's what happens when you spin around so much Oct 26 04:21:45 Termana: Bah. I'm stationary. Y'all are spinning. The Catholic Church told me so. Oct 26 04:22:10 hey i thing they told u about our solar system Oct 26 04:22:24 rokr1: Solar system? Pin pricks in the firmament! Bah... Oct 26 04:22:26 probably Oct 26 04:23:21 love the music in rouge assassin Oct 26 04:23:35 specific music Oct 26 04:24:33 ~religion Oct 26 04:24:33 it has been said that religion is the opiate of the masses, or believing in invisible idiots in the sky Oct 26 04:24:58 spinningcompass, that's what I think of your Catholic Church Oct 26 04:25:00 :p Oct 26 04:25:00 good info Oct 26 04:25:08 * spinningcompass snickers Oct 26 04:25:09 no offence Oct 26 04:25:32 chill down we are a community Oct 26 04:25:47 :) Oct 26 04:26:01 rokr1, someone stole the temperature gauge Oct 26 04:26:02 :p Oct 26 04:26:13 nice Oct 26 04:26:19 i know who Oct 26 04:26:21 ! Oct 26 04:26:28 but i wont tell Oct 26 04:26:36 rokr1, beat them up. And take their lunch money too Oct 26 04:26:49 Because we are just that nice Oct 26 04:27:00 i said community not mafia family Oct 26 04:27:18 We'll even take the weight out of your pocket by removing the money from it Oct 26 04:27:57 rokr1, every community has a serial killer Oct 26 04:28:06 damn wats the difference between Pacifist and Optimist ?? Oct 26 04:28:23 i guess u r one ofem Oct 26 04:29:00 rokr1, the two are unrelated Oct 26 04:29:57 rokr1, a pacifist is someone who opposes war or violence. An optimist is someone who always takes a positive outlook on somethign Oct 26 04:30:00 something* Oct 26 04:30:05 pacifist believes in no war (no border), Optimist believes that Pacifist can change the world Oct 26 04:30:42 Myrtti: now what's your diagnosis for that? Oct 26 04:31:20 DocScrutinizer, Myrtti: I don't know about me, but rokr1 has been smoking the peace pipe Oct 26 04:31:58 Noble cause for Noble prize :P Oct 26 04:32:22 these days these two words are for Nobel prizes Oct 26 04:32:36 also Oct 26 04:32:38 * DocScrutinizer is now known as SerialKiller Oct 26 04:32:51 think of it when a person joins the room here... Oct 26 04:33:03 spinningcompass, snickers is a chocolate bar. You snigger, not snicker Oct 26 04:33:10 he would think is this a Maemo channel or wat Oct 26 04:33:21 spinningcompass, racist, just because snickers is black Oct 26 04:33:23 Termana: No, I snicker. Please don't try to correct my English unless you know what you're doing. :) Oct 26 04:33:33 ~dict snicker Oct 26 04:33:45 i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at /home/ibot/infobot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. Oct 26 04:33:45 especially Mr.hardaker2 and budfive (oow) Oct 26 04:33:45 ~dict snigger Oct 26 04:33:53 termana: You're very sweet, but 'snicker' is in the Oxford American English Dictionary. Oct 26 04:33:57 i could not get info from dict.org 'alarm at /home/ibot/infobot/src/Modules/Dict.pl line 42. Oct 26 04:33:59 WTF?! Oct 26 04:34:57 spinningcompass: sweet? Like Snickers? Oct 26 04:35:35 TermanaDesire: If I wanted to confront a nutty little bar of chocolate, I'd ask your father to drop his pants. ;) Oct 26 04:36:22 spinningcompass: too bad my father is dead then isn't it ;) Oct 26 04:36:33 TermanaDesire: No, I mean your biological father. Oct 26 04:36:53 Yes he's dead Oct 26 04:37:20 TermanaDesire: Your mother didn't tell you, did she? Oct 26 04:37:39 (This is where you say, "She told me enough. She told me you killed him.") Oct 26 04:38:05 Now that spinningCompass is out of his mind TermanaDesire will hack spinningcompass and change his desktop wallpaper with stinkers Oct 26 04:38:30 spinningcompass: and then you say "luke^w^w termana I am your father" Oct 26 04:38:56 ohh, tears came out of my eyes Oct 26 04:38:57 * spinningcompass snookis Oct 26 04:39:13 spinningcompass: I already knew what was coming ;p Oct 26 04:39:43 hey come on so termana and spinning have u guys installed the PR1.3 Oct 26 04:39:44 ? Oct 26 04:39:52 OTA or using flasher Oct 26 04:40:06 rokr1: I'm sorry, I haven't. Oct 26 04:41:58 rokr1: my n900 is dead at the moment. No PR nothing for me at the moment I'm afraid Oct 26 04:42:21 bad wat did u do with the baby Oct 26 04:42:25 Termana Oct 26 04:46:02 rokr1: its not what I did its what my little brother did. Dunked it in water while I was asleep Oct 26 04:46:33 its a Intentional breach Oct 26 04:46:55 does u r little bro have a mobile Oct 26 04:46:56 ?? Oct 26 04:47:00 termana Oct 26 04:47:30 For the sake of retaliation,................. do the same Oct 26 04:47:34 :P Oct 26 04:48:27 rokr1: he's 5 so no he doesn't Oct 26 04:48:41 oh so bad Oct 26 04:49:02 did u do a CPR for the N900 Oct 26 04:49:53 removing the battery bla bla bla Oct 26 04:50:27 rokr1: yes I tried reviving it Oct 26 04:50:52 rokr1: I did not blow into it and compress it's chest however Oct 26 04:51:51 if u have a CRT TV still like me keep the phone over its picture tube and be crouch potato Oct 26 04:53:15 sorry couch potato Oct 26 04:53:18 typo Oct 26 04:53:21 :P Oct 26 04:53:57 Autobot crouch its a bad word Oct 26 04:56:57 Activist : If a girl dont kiss u, First know that she cannot swim Oct 26 04:58:03 then plan a attack Oct 26 04:58:14 muhahaha Oct 26 04:58:47 i am the most active person here Oct 26 04:58:48 ! Oct 26 05:01:00 have u guys tried SHR on N900 ?? Oct 26 05:01:02 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ywkWbb_BetI&feature=related Oct 26 05:04:09 wow, the guy who made that video is a special kind of masochist Oct 26 05:04:20 neat Oct 26 05:04:42 N900 has potential Oct 26 05:04:51 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hoxXljCXbDQ&NR=1 Oct 26 05:05:03 now thats wat i call cooool Oct 26 05:06:08 still if it had multituch Oct 26 05:08:03 there are just few good games on N900 Oct 26 05:08:18 something like arcade Oct 26 05:08:26 need some action games Oct 26 05:08:30 native apps Oct 26 05:09:46 anyone heard of firesheep? was wondering if it would be possible to have that ported for the n900's firefox? lol looks awesomely fun.. Oct 26 05:22:56 ieatlint: why is toaster a masochist? Oct 26 05:23:34 i guess i just have some interesting memories of shr Oct 26 05:23:42 awesome hobbyist thing... but .. err.. yeah Oct 26 05:26:59 well, those ~6 hobbyists have done a marvelous job in a few weeks, especially when I compare this to meego pace and progress vs number of people working non-hobbyist on it Oct 26 05:27:52 that doesn't surprise me somehow Oct 26 05:28:05 not starting to compare/compete SHR with Meego, but nevertheless Oct 26 05:28:11 many of the people working on openmoko were very awesome and competent Oct 26 05:28:12 I can't reach maemo talk >_> Oct 26 05:28:17 what hobbyists? Oct 26 05:28:21 Appiah: it's down Oct 26 05:28:29 ah Oct 26 05:28:29 don't confuse me calling him a masochism with criticism Oct 26 05:28:39 OpenMoko hobbyists? Don't make me laugh... Oct 26 05:28:56 mornin Oct 26 05:28:56 err, masochist, bleh Oct 26 05:29:03 mourning, Mohammad Oct 26 05:29:18 RST38h: hey, come one, they've produced more linux phones than nokia has :P Oct 26 05:29:19 memoosmoh Oct 26 05:29:23 mournin? lol Oct 26 05:29:37 ieatlint: did any of those work? Oct 26 05:29:47 define work :P Oct 26 05:29:49 ieatlint: I doubt Oct 26 05:30:08 * RST38h sighs Oct 26 05:30:17 i made phone calls, sent/received sms and used data on the freerunner Oct 26 05:30:41 occasionally i even received phone calls Oct 26 05:31:10 only good thing about the FR was it's gps chip Oct 26 05:31:10 :P Oct 26 05:31:15 * Stskeeps grabs his coffee Oct 26 05:31:21 lol Oct 26 05:31:34 provided you didn't have a µsd card in place :P Oct 26 05:31:42 nah Oct 26 05:31:50 fixed in 2008 Oct 26 05:31:51 yeah yeah, it was fixed, i know Oct 26 05:31:58 but we're making cheap shots here Oct 26 05:32:18 yeah, and I make a cheap coffee to go to bed now Oct 26 05:34:34 Stskeeps: actually the best thing of FR was the wolfson audio codec Oct 26 05:35:08 yay, reflashed the firmware + eMMC Oct 26 05:35:29 i liked the gps because i got a from-cold fix inside what i'd normally call impossible conditions :P Oct 26 05:35:36 Stskeeps: and the battery :-P Oct 26 05:36:02 ...and it occassionally received calls, even! Oct 26 05:36:04 yeah, it had some fun stuff Oct 26 05:36:15 hmm is there a changelog for the latest update? Oct 26 05:36:25 nope :-( Oct 26 05:36:37 plus it was the second phone and first non-google phone to run android :P Oct 26 05:37:13 y is :P for Oct 26 05:37:38 currently my phone i optifying Oct 26 05:38:48 ieatlint: and the official successor of Trolltech's greenphone Oct 26 05:39:19 ah... qtopia Oct 26 05:39:27 funny stuff Oct 26 05:41:44 its faster than before Oct 26 05:42:36 duh, HELL - they OC'd it :-P Oct 26 05:42:59 PR1.3 does it have flash 10?? Oct 26 05:43:09 no Oct 26 05:44:31 does it contain the promised meego dual boot? Oct 26 05:44:48 there's never been any such promise Oct 26 05:45:42 sejo: reliable sources indicate that a meego 1.1 image will be produced soon, and released for the n900 with an update u-boot package to allow dual booting -- however, meego 1.1 is not even out yet Oct 26 05:45:49 same words Doc Oct 26 05:45:58 ieatlint: thx! Oct 26 05:46:04 still, no promises have been made, but i'd bet on it Oct 26 05:46:10 DocScrutinizer: then i misunderstood Oct 26 05:46:36 http://meego.com/community/blogs/harrihakulinen/2010/meego-calling-n900 Oct 26 05:47:36 rokr1: you can't trust an article that starts off with such a terrible pun like "ameegos" Oct 26 05:47:44 PR1.3 comes with fixed kexec, to boot another linux. But meego is far ahead of this, planning to do chainloading into u-Boot and from there a *real* multiboot Oct 26 05:48:44 Hi Oct 26 05:50:52 emmc update added 1GB more Oct 26 05:51:11 in fact Nokia never even announced any kind of official meego for N900 - this effectively precludes any PRx.y coming with meego dual boot Oct 26 05:51:12 Updated to PR1.3 today. There is no sound when I place or receive calls from N900. Other parties can't hear me, I can't hear them. But system sounds and music player etc are working fine. Oct 26 05:51:18 How can I troubleshoot? Oct 26 05:51:54 ouch Oct 26 05:52:01 damn DocScrutinizer u still awake :p Oct 26 05:52:22 I'm never asleep Oct 26 05:53:54 i cant sleep i have to reinstall everyhing :o Oct 26 05:55:53 bleh I updated but still can't access ovi store Oct 26 05:58:10 maemo installed version: 20.2010.36-2 Oct 26 05:58:14 is that the latest? Oct 26 05:58:25 yep Oct 26 05:58:34 Who's been playing with the network cables again? Oct 26 05:58:49 ur bro Oct 26 05:59:19 lol sms bug is funny Oct 26 05:59:23 nokia fails =) Oct 26 05:59:29 DocScrutinizer, I suppose he thought water would increase the connection speed Oct 26 05:59:32 X-Fade, ping Oct 26 05:59:53 ZogG: ?? Oct 26 06:00:21 ~bug 11450 Oct 26 06:00:22 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's Oct 26 06:00:33 False alarm, rebooting twice fixed the phone audio problem for me. Oct 26 06:03:32 is there any way to recover if some one forgets the lock code ?? Oct 26 06:03:33 Stskeeps: Ping Oct 26 06:04:23 pong Oct 26 06:04:35 am a little tired, be warned :) Oct 26 06:05:56 Stskeeps: Tried to update some of my themes but builder isn't working first ones I've done since Pr 1.2 the template should work fine right Oct 26 06:06:00 DocScrutinizer https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 Oct 26 06:06:01 Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's Oct 26 06:06:03 Stskeeps: isn't it morning there Oct 26 06:06:25 andrewfblack: yes, but didn't sleep so well Oct 26 06:06:33 8am atm Oct 26 06:06:35 rokr1 flash i suppose Oct 26 06:07:48 no Oct 26 06:08:10 i did a thorough flash Oct 26 06:08:19 even emmc Oct 26 06:08:28 andrewfblack: get me an error? Oct 26 06:11:57 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/maemo-org_2.0/i386.build.log.FAILED.txt Oct 26 06:12:25 there's something wrong with your debian/changelog Oct 26 06:13:02 ZogG: daily wtf Oct 26 06:13:57 Stskeeps: that is what I thought but there isn't much in there but a date name and version number Oct 26 06:14:06 pastebin it Oct 26 06:15:26 ZogG: maemo QA seems suboptimal Oct 26 06:17:36 Stskeeps: http://pastebin.com/Jsx5vd3s Oct 26 06:17:39 I really wonder if Nokia finally is going to adopt a less major release centric bugfix scheme Oct 26 06:18:26 bugs bah Oct 26 06:18:35 dont worry about fixing bugs Oct 26 06:19:00 raster: yeah, who cares. Even about such nonsense like SMS Oct 26 06:19:16 :) Oct 26 06:19:23 speaking of bugs Oct 26 06:19:28 does meego work yet? Oct 26 06:19:35 :) Oct 26 06:19:42 no idea Oct 26 06:19:54 (as that seems to be your implication.. that meego *IS* the bugfix for maemo) :) Oct 26 06:19:57 ask Stskeeps Oct 26 06:19:57 raster, depends on what you mean by "works" Oct 26 06:20:21 meego is for "developers only" so yes it "WORKS" Oct 26 06:20:21 mece: makes and receives calls.. without needing a cmd-line Oct 26 06:20:25 sends and gets sms's Oct 26 06:20:28 data sessions work Oct 26 06:20:31 wifi works Oct 26 06:20:35 (all of these from the gui) Oct 26 06:20:39 raster, yes it does. Oct 26 06:20:42 except for data sessions Oct 26 06:20:49 and it does run like continental drift Oct 26 06:21:04 raster: would be cooler to make phone calls with cmd line I think Oct 26 06:21:10 raster, does? Oct 26 06:21:13 raster, not then builds I've been testing :D Oct 26 06:21:16 raster, don't you mean doesn't Oct 26 06:21:17 (ie things start up in fast/reasonable times and respond pretty well - not meaning totally optimised, but nicely usably fast) Oct 26 06:21:21 can you make phone calls on maemo from cli? Oct 26 06:21:25 The continental drift is slow Oct 26 06:21:32 andrewfblack: check debian/changelog to verify your form - maybe you have windows line endings Oct 26 06:21:34 if yes I'm gonna start sshing to my n900.. Oct 26 06:21:37 haha... Oct 26 06:21:38 Termana: yeah Oct 26 06:21:38 right Oct 26 06:21:45 meant doesnt run like continental drift Oct 26 06:21:45 :) Oct 26 06:21:46 I was thinking of "steady" Oct 26 06:22:14 mece, I this would be a case of slow and steady NOT winning the race ;) :P Oct 26 06:22:16 Appiah: check phonecontrol Oct 26 06:22:28 hwhe Oct 26 06:22:39 mece: so its working eh? Oct 26 06:22:41 Stskeeps: I opened change log file on windows to change something, version number but normally that doesn't stop it in the past. I'll remake file on ubuntu when I get home Oct 26 06:22:43 DocScrutinizer51: application? wiki? script? what? :) Oct 26 06:22:59 milshake Oct 26 06:23:09 raster: want to see a video? Oct 26 06:23:15 sure! Oct 26 06:23:27 SFW? Oct 26 06:23:28 :) Oct 26 06:23:34 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control got it Oct 26 06:23:43 raster: fairly Oct 26 06:23:46 cool Oct 26 06:24:08 just was feeling curious as to where meego is at right now Oct 26 06:24:09 guess I'll write a wrapper.. Oct 26 06:24:10 raster: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded <- app launch time is a bit slow still as we don't do any kind of startup time boosting and there's a known touchscreen issue we're investigating (n900 specific) Oct 26 06:24:13 raster, Boot time:46s Browser start time:6.5s Audio player start time:4s Video player start time:4s Oct 26 06:24:19 as it seems no phones for this year at least Oct 26 06:24:50 Stskeeps: ok. Oct 26 06:25:26 Current 1.1 build has slower ui but faster app launch.. Oct 26 06:25:35 welcome to #meego! Oct 26 06:25:58 looks to be doing much better than maemo 5 Oct 26 06:26:00 :) Oct 26 06:27:13 tho 4s startup tim... thats far from impressive :( Oct 26 06:27:30 of course not, but we don't do any kind of optimization Oct 26 06:27:39 get stuff working first, then optimize Oct 26 06:28:47 i suspect your sgx drivers have had a bit of work done to them there Oct 26 06:28:48 :) Oct 26 06:29:07 it's newer sgx drivers with dri2 and vsync, yes Oct 26 06:29:22 that'd explain some of it Oct 26 06:29:22 :) Oct 26 06:29:33 there's a problem with dri2 so it's not integrated yet Oct 26 06:29:39 still in a measly 16bpp? Oct 26 06:29:51 dialler looks like arse tho :) Oct 26 06:30:03 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=din0nnEIUUo&feature=related Oct 26 06:30:08 lol Oct 26 06:30:48 well its coming along Oct 26 06:30:53 not there yet though Oct 26 06:31:01 dialers MUST look like arse Oct 26 06:31:17 always Oct 26 06:31:24 hahaha Oct 26 06:31:51 and so far everybody following this law Oct 26 06:32:07 raster: if you're a real man, you don't see/understand more than a max of 4-bit colors anyway, so pfft. :P Oct 26 06:32:33 Stskeeps: hahahahhahahahha Oct 26 06:32:42 gnhnhnhaha Oct 26 06:32:56 hrm really good question, how do i make a phone call on the n900 :P Oct 26 06:32:59 * raster huggles his 32bit pixels Oct 26 06:33:14 dithering FTW :-P Oct 26 06:33:27 ugh Oct 26 06:33:36 floyd steinberg Oct 26 06:33:44 XP Oct 26 06:33:47 uuuughhhhhhh Oct 26 06:33:54 never use that Oct 26 06:33:59 not for a live ui Oct 26 06:34:06 u should always use ordered Oct 26 06:34:17 just kidding Oct 26 06:34:20 for 16bpp u can get away witha tiny ordered dither mask and not notice Oct 26 06:34:29 tho a nice 128x128 mask makes orders LOOk like FS Oct 26 06:34:43 with some nice gaussian randomisation added to it Oct 26 06:34:49 awesome trick Oct 26 06:34:54 but still Oct 26 06:34:58 dithering... cheating :)( Oct 26 06:34:59 :) Oct 26 06:35:12 yo Oct 26 06:35:13 i want 32bpp! Oct 26 06:35:20 full color plus alpha Oct 26 06:35:27 and a PITA as well Oct 26 06:36:29 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 06:36:29 methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 06:36:51 oooo Pre games on our baby Oct 26 06:39:36 Hate that OTA don't work Oct 26 06:39:54 TriztFromWork, ota works fine. Oct 26 06:39:57 worksforme! Oct 26 06:40:22 hasn't work for me on the last 1.2 nor 1.3 Oct 26 06:40:35 strange, both for me Oct 26 06:40:42 what problems do you get? Oct 26 06:41:06 it just says OTA won't work when I have selecte update all Oct 26 06:41:33 if you just select maemo5 Oct 26 06:41:39 and not update all Oct 26 06:41:42 probably have a package conflict Oct 26 06:41:44 I can try Oct 26 06:41:50 maybe you have some extra packages conflicting? Oct 26 06:41:56 it should say Oct 26 06:41:58 you can see which packages conflicts in "details" Oct 26 06:42:37 * TriztFromWork hates the slowness for checking update Oct 26 06:45:30 tried to just update maemo package, "Can't install this system update over the air." and only option is to "open backup" Oct 26 06:47:29 Hmm, Conflicts with perl 5.8.3 Oct 26 06:49:58 anyone have a solution for the perl conflict? Oct 26 06:50:38 Out of curiosity, has anyone gotten MicroB from Maemo5 working on a normal desktop Linux install? Like, for a tablet PC? I noticed there were i386 packages available and all... Oct 26 06:54:16 I have perl 5.8.3-3osso10 installed and it seemns to conflict with the version coming with pr1.3, how do I temporarily downgrade perl? Oct 26 06:56:01 1. uninstall it. 2. install pr1.3 3. install perl again Oct 26 06:56:25 I'm having a problem flashing a N810 with RX-44_DIABLO_5.2008.43-7_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin. It says "Flashing bootloader... Sending request 0x50 failed!". Googling found lots of people who got this error, but I didn't find any solutions. Can anyone help me? Oct 26 06:58:48 cmdline I used... ./flasher-3.5 -F IMAGEFILE -f Oct 26 07:00:24 Are you running PR1.1 or PR1.2 ? Oct 26 07:00:57 "I was using the wrong image! Oct 26 07:00:58 Got the right one and all is good." Oct 26 07:01:11 Appiah: was that directed at me? Oct 26 07:01:26 yupp Oct 26 07:01:35 oh Oct 26 07:01:39 a N810 :D Oct 26 07:01:43 Appiah: ok, so how would I tell? Oct 26 07:01:45 yes Oct 26 07:02:07 no friggin idea about n810 and the OS there Oct 26 07:02:12 k Oct 26 07:02:15 only had the n900 sorry Oct 26 07:02:20 thanks, anyway Oct 26 07:02:26 anybody else? Oct 26 07:02:45 but I think the problem still applies, you might just have downloaded the wrong image Oct 26 07:03:32 Hello, my N900 noticed new Maemo update, but it wants to connect to my PC through PC Nokia Suite Oct 26 07:03:38 Appiah: any idea as to how I could tell if it is the right image or not? Oct 26 07:03:39 I'm on Linux Desktop Oct 26 07:03:51 does it work with Virtual Box? Oct 26 07:04:20 well where did you get the image JackaLX ? Oct 26 07:04:35 nokia Oct 26 07:04:48 FYI: Someone else who would happen to get a perl conflict when upgrading to pt1.3 OTA, do an "apt-get install perl" and seem to resolve the conflict Oct 26 07:05:12 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#N800.2FN810 JackaLX been here? Oct 26 07:05:55 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N810.php to be precise Oct 26 07:07:19 Appiah: yup... nothing overly helpful there... tells you what to do, but not much about what to do if it goes pair-shaped :-) Oct 26 07:27:39 * crashanddie twitches Oct 26 07:27:43 Dangit, can't someone fix the broken backup script tying up talk.maemo.org? Oct 26 07:27:45 "Thank you for your patiense" Oct 26 07:27:48 It's getting annoying! Oct 26 07:28:03 RobbieThe1st, I'm sure people are working on it Oct 26 07:28:12 Anyone: When I want a _completely_ fresh install of Maemo on my N900, I flash FIASCO, then eMMC without booting inbetween? Oct 26 07:29:46 I'm hoping so Oct 26 07:29:55 phellarv: Yea Oct 26 07:29:58 * TriztFromWork almost updated all the new packages, damn it takes time Oct 26 07:30:21 RobbieThe1st: Thought so, just wanted a confirmation - thanks. Oct 26 07:30:23 phellarv, I can't confirm if that's the order Oct 26 07:30:32 phellarv, I would've said emmc first, though. Oct 26 07:30:41 DocScrutinizer, ping Oct 26 07:31:15 "NOTE: Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes." Oct 26 07:31:21 Found it Oct 26 07:31:40 ah, well there you go Oct 26 07:31:47 good on you for checking with another source though. Oct 26 07:32:18 nope, that's nonsense for pr1.3 and before Oct 26 07:32:45 emmc first is the better alternative Oct 26 07:34:06 DocScrutinizer51: Uh? Oct 26 07:34:28 there might be some PR4.22 for which it's mandatory to flash bootloader in COMBINED before flashing eMMC, but for now this isn't the case Oct 26 07:35:07 DocScrutinizer51: So eMMC -> Fiasco? Oct 26 07:35:14 so flashing eMMC first has a lower probability to let you ruin your system by accidental boot Oct 26 07:35:22 hi, is more than 50mb free space rquired for ota? Oct 26 07:36:00 you'll tell us Oct 26 07:36:12 ghostcube, apparently people with 66M free have succesfully upgraded, but I've heard a rumor of 34M being sufficient :-) Oct 26 07:36:25 hmm i got 49 thats why iam asking heh Oct 26 07:36:27 :) Oct 26 07:36:37 Morning all ! Oct 26 07:36:43 will try the update later maybe, but i havent read something good about till now Oct 26 07:36:52 60Mo was enough for me Oct 26 07:37:00 problem was mainly conflicting package Oct 26 07:37:12 ghostcube, qt4.7 Oct 26 07:37:18 hmm ok Oct 26 07:37:23 ghostcube, fix qt scrolling bug Oct 26 07:37:35 no idea how much is enough, wants pc suite Oct 26 07:37:36 in kinetic scrolling Oct 26 07:38:14 V-ille, if it ask for space ... most of the time it s lie, it s just that there are some conflicting package you install from extras-devel Oct 26 07:38:15 :) Oct 26 07:38:23 hmm ok i will backup my stuff and my spbrainevo data :D and try t3h update later at home Oct 26 07:38:36 it's not asking for space, it says it wants pc suite Oct 26 07:38:41 same :) Oct 26 07:38:47 oh great Oct 26 07:38:57 btw why isnt apt-get dist-upgrade a good idea? Oct 26 07:38:59 let's see what apt-get says Oct 26 07:39:01 in HAM, in update Oct 26 07:39:09 click on the Maemo 5 update then details Oct 26 07:39:28 and you will see which package cause conflict Oct 26 07:39:55 but if you didn't install some package replacing some maemo part Oct 26 07:40:06 the cause could be libqt4-test Oct 26 07:41:31 apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img Oct 26 07:41:31 apt-get remove libqt4-test Oct 26 07:41:33 :) Oct 26 07:41:45 so.. the update may have a conflict, but the update manager says "use pc suite"? Oct 26 07:41:52 exactly Oct 26 07:41:56 is the moron who caused this still working, or did his ass get fired? Oct 26 07:42:13 :D Oct 26 07:42:18 ekhm Oct 26 07:42:21 it's linux Oct 26 07:42:28 so? Oct 26 07:42:33 debian does worse things sometimes Oct 26 07:42:37 or ubuntu Oct 26 07:42:39 V-ille: if such morons would be fired ubuntu wont have any devs at all Oct 26 07:42:41 V-ille, i think the moron say ... if user are able to install extras-devel ... he should be able to resolv conflict Oct 26 07:42:42 debian doesn't say "use pc suite" Oct 26 07:42:44 V-ille are you using extras-testing/devel? Oct 26 07:42:44 jacekowski: hehe Oct 26 07:42:46 nokia code does Oct 26 07:42:59 well, it's supposed to be user friendly Oct 26 07:43:13 i don't expect it to say - fix your dependencies manually Oct 26 07:43:18 DocScrutinizer, how would I flash just the booloader from a COMBINED image ? Oct 26 07:43:20 it's very friendly indeed to give error messages that have nothing whatsoever to do with the problem Oct 26 07:43:48 njsf: not how, WHY? Oct 26 07:43:52 V-ille, yeah ... it s worse i know Oct 26 07:44:19 got a friend who was here earlier and his flashing of an image from Nokia on a N810 stopped at the bootloader Oct 26 07:44:21 V-ille, well it is nice enough to tell you which packages are conflicting, Oct 26 07:44:22 V-ille: it does Oct 26 07:44:31 V-ille: pcsuite will flash it and upgrade Oct 26 07:44:44 pc suite won't do any of that, as it doesn't support the platform on my pc Oct 26 07:44:51 I think it may be related to the fact the sw-release on the device is "no version" . Know any way to overcome that ? Oct 26 07:45:03 V-ille: because you have old version or something Oct 26 07:45:13 V-ille: my version can flash it Oct 26 07:45:23 would this be a cold flash with -c ? Oct 26 07:45:30 no Oct 26 07:45:32 but of course the error message and whatnot is perfect, nokia never makes things hard to use Oct 26 07:45:33 just normal flash Oct 26 07:45:47 jacekowski: it doesn't even run on linux, pc suite Oct 26 07:45:59 you're looking for a problem where there is none Oct 26 07:46:10 you have old pc suite Oct 26 07:46:19 upgrade and then flash it Oct 26 07:46:24 or do it with flasher Oct 26 07:46:40 old pc suite? Oct 26 07:46:52 yes Oct 26 07:47:12 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 07:47:12 from memory, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 07:47:16 pc suite version i'm using ( and it's almost 6 months old ) can flash n900 Oct 26 07:47:29 where's the new one? why would I want to install it? does it run on linux? Oct 26 07:47:42 I don't need a pc suite to flash a device Oct 26 07:47:51 ehh Oct 26 07:47:56 heh, the conflict was hildon-home-dbg Oct 26 07:48:09 these are not packages from standard repository Oct 26 07:48:21 héhé Oct 26 07:48:27 it appears he's the moron Oct 26 07:48:32 ;) Oct 26 07:49:15 it Oct 26 07:49:20 or someone else is, as there are ways to resolve such conflicts on the device without asking me to use apps that don't exist Oct 26 07:49:26 i wonder how many times he clicked the "this package may break your device" Oct 26 07:49:39 * Khertan think he should port Khweeteur on ubuntu ... Gwibber is horribly slow ! Oct 26 07:50:01 look, I know how to work around such problems, but the error message given was just daft Oct 26 07:50:05 apt--get remove hildon-home-dbg Oct 26 07:50:10 apt-get remove hildon-home-dbg Oct 26 07:50:13 yes Oct 26 07:50:18 I know how to use apt-get Oct 26 07:50:25 so why did you ask ? Oct 26 07:50:46 out of general amazement I suppose Oct 26 07:50:54 you use experimental package Oct 26 07:51:04 so everything normal ! Oct 26 07:51:38 V-ille: that message isn't for users that use non-standard repositories Oct 26 07:51:57 V-ille: and for users that know how to use apt Oct 26 07:52:38 maybe the device should try harder, instead of whining for a pc to help it? Oct 26 07:53:03 so what you're saying is you want an iphone? Oct 26 07:53:11 it's using standard apt way of resolving dependencies Oct 26 07:53:28 so.. have the app manager slowdowns been fixed at all? Oct 26 07:53:34 if you are using non standard repositories ( SDK repository is one of them ) Oct 26 07:53:37 thus far it's been unusable Oct 26 07:53:51 and there was a lot of info how sdk repository breaks things Oct 26 07:54:16 V-ille, you manually install a package ... so it didn't remove it automatically ... as you said you want it ... ham respect your choice Oct 26 07:54:20 so you fucked it up and now you blame it on others Oct 26 07:54:21 ham is fine if you only use extras and ovi, which i guess was the purpose of it... unfortunately it becomes crap with more repos enabled :p Oct 26 07:54:40 it's slow as hell even with only the default repos Oct 26 07:55:01 V-ille: that's because apt is slow Oct 26 07:55:15 no it isn't, it does apt-get updates when it shouldn't Oct 26 07:55:23 the app manager does that is Oct 26 07:55:30 it doesnt Oct 26 07:55:35 it's using apt-worker for that Oct 26 07:55:35 sure it does Oct 26 07:55:55 well, even so, it updates the package info every time you install something, apparently Oct 26 07:56:11 nope Oct 26 07:56:14 and the ui happily becomes completely unresponsive during it Oct 26 07:56:15 just every time you open it Oct 26 07:56:49 oh, why does it become braindead after package installation then? Oct 26 07:57:08 because it's loading installable package list Oct 26 07:57:38 "nope"? Oct 26 07:57:57 update != load Oct 26 07:57:58 you seem to be slightly contradicting yourself :) Oct 26 07:58:12 update means pulling package list from repository Oct 26 07:58:44 loading installable package list means querying apt-worker for packages that are avaliable for installation Oct 26 07:59:14 and reading some information contain in the .deb file Oct 26 07:59:27 which is a compressed archive Oct 26 07:59:30 and freezing the UI :) Oct 26 07:59:38 like reading the icons Oct 26 07:59:39 Khertan: it doesn't have .deb file Oct 26 07:59:49 Khertan: it's all read from Packages file Oct 26 07:59:55 oh yes ! Oct 26 07:59:56 otherwise the device works fine, the app manager is an abomination Oct 26 07:59:58 true Oct 26 08:00:02 it's downright embarrassing Oct 26 08:00:07 * Khertan need cofee Oct 26 08:00:08 :) Oct 26 08:00:14 V-ille: app manager on ubuntu works just as slow Oct 26 08:00:29 V-ille: but you have cpu that's 10x faster and more memory Oct 26 08:00:37 so problem isn't so easy to notice Oct 26 08:00:44 excuses, excuses... Oct 26 08:00:58 facts, facts... Oct 26 08:01:10 jacekowski, anyway ... did you know how the apple store works ? Oct 26 08:01:15 it s seems faster Oct 26 08:01:22 yeah, it's all done server side Oct 26 08:01:25 ok Oct 26 08:01:29 this explain that Oct 26 08:01:30 :) Oct 26 08:01:39 and then phone pulls ready .ipa package Oct 26 08:01:49 unpacks it Oct 26 08:01:53 there is no dependencies atll Oct 26 08:01:55 at all Oct 26 08:02:00 packages are self contained Oct 26 08:02:02 a really bad solution the server side and no depandancy Oct 26 08:02:08 but it's faster Oct 26 08:02:11 facts.. well, there's no need to freeze the UI nor actually reload the installable pkg list every time Oct 26 08:02:18 so it's a design decision, and it hurts usability quite a bit Oct 26 08:02:18 V-ille: there is Oct 26 08:02:24 timeless_mbp; is there a en_GB translation for pr1.3? Oct 26 08:02:29 V-ille: because list changes every time you install something Oct 26 08:02:51 is pr1.3 available outside UK? Oct 26 08:03:10 it was first available in Finland, I think Oct 26 08:03:24 jacekowski: well, we can just agree to disagree, the app manager doesn't need to be as bad as it is, regardless of whatever excuses people come up with Oct 26 08:03:37 yeah, it's crap Oct 26 08:03:48 lol, I'm in FInland and yesterday when I read the news I tried to update the package list and ham told me "no updates available" xD Oct 26 08:03:54 but without abandoning dependencies and breaking it in other ways you can't make it a lot faster Oct 26 08:04:02 romen, is your phone bought from finland as well? Oct 26 08:04:05 Khertan: server side dependencies would be nice Oct 26 08:04:06 yep Oct 26 08:04:12 flux: yep Oct 26 08:04:13 Khertan: sort of agps stule Oct 26 08:04:15 style* Oct 26 08:04:22 I can at least make it unintrusive. And I don't have to abandon dependencies. Oct 26 08:04:29 flux: but I'm using US locale Oct 26 08:04:37 V-ille: then fix it Oct 26 08:04:42 V-ille: sources are avaliable Oct 26 08:04:54 romen, well, if it's any consolation, I got my update available today as well. but I haven't tried updating the package lists manually ;) Oct 26 08:04:58 or use fapman Oct 26 08:05:01 jacekowski, server side depandancy is a no go... how did you do with external repositories ? Oct 26 08:05:07 Anyone know where the different msn-plugins store there msn buddy icons? Oct 26 08:05:20 Khertan: if server can assist then server calculates all dependencies, or as much as server can Oct 26 08:05:35 flux: I'll try it later. Did things go smoothly in the upgrade? Oct 26 08:05:39 * TriztFromWork hates the default maemo English, hope that timeless will release a new community translation for pr1.3 Oct 26 08:05:43 romen, I haven't upgraded yet Oct 26 08:05:47 jacekowski, i still didn't think it s a good idea Oct 26 08:06:14 TriztFromWork: i've been asleep, i'll have to brush it off, i have a small set of changes i want to make Oct 26 08:06:29 timeless_mbp; nice Oct 26 08:06:30 Khertan: so phone would ask something like - dependencies for package-X? and then server answers with list of packages that this package needs + list of packages this server can provide Oct 26 08:06:47 i've been just using the 1.2 set in 1.3, if you do it using OTA you get behavior which isn't bad Oct 26 08:06:47 are there any packages that, once installed, would stop PR1.3 showing in the update manager? Oct 26 08:06:58 Khertan: and if server can't do it - then phone does it on it's own Oct 26 08:07:25 if both ham and fappm use apt in the background, how come ham is way slower than fappm? Oct 26 08:08:09 timeless_mbp; you mean "symlink" the directory? Oct 26 08:08:11 jacekowski: I'd need a budgeted project for that, unfortunately :) Oct 26 08:08:13 jacekowski, but for cross server depandancies problem how did you do ? Oct 26 08:08:26 fapman.. gotta try that, thanks Oct 26 08:08:41 Khertan: phone does that Oct 26 08:08:52 Khertan: ussualy package has all it deps on one server Oct 26 08:09:05 jacekowski, this is the problem ;) Oct 26 08:09:08 the only problems with the device are the app manager and battery life Oct 26 08:09:21 V-ille: it's not as bad as on HTC devices Oct 26 08:09:26 V-ille: and use fapman Oct 26 08:09:34 jacekowski, you haven't the right to distribute a driver ... how did you depends on it in your external repository ? Oct 26 08:09:34 it's still hands-down the best phone I've ever had Oct 26 08:09:38 and will likely continue to be so, given the direction harmattan is going Oct 26 08:09:58 if both ham and fapman use apt in the background, how come ham is way slower than fapman? Oct 26 08:10:03 romen, the both are slow ... fapman permit multiple selection to install or remove :) Oct 26 08:10:16 timeless; ignore what I asked, back on the pr1.2 translation again, I think Oct 26 08:10:37 fapman skips some of the additional checks ham is doing (last i heard) or has it been updated to include them? Oct 26 08:10:38 what were the packages blocking PR1.3 OTA update again? libqt4-test and? Oct 26 08:10:54 jacekowski, i think things can be done faster ... Oct 26 08:11:02 Khertan: maybe it's just psycological, but to me it looks like updating and reloading package lists and even showing package lists is way faster in fapman Oct 26 08:11:04 jacekowski, without invoking server side Oct 26 08:11:21 there are of course things like the lack of vsync in the sgx driver, but that doesn't bother me much Oct 26 08:11:28 time to stop playing with the phone and begun working, battery already down on 50% Oct 26 08:12:33 someone nuked talk.maemo.org from orbit again? Oct 26 08:12:57 it works erratically, but seems to load.. after some retries Oct 26 08:13:08 maybe everybody and their brother is accessing tmo :) Oct 26 08:13:58 anyway to mark multiple mails as read/unread? Oct 26 08:14:32 ahem Oct 26 08:14:36 the photos load at once now Oct 26 08:14:44 but it doesn't show that it's loading them :) Oct 26 08:15:00 it took a while before they appeared, with no indication Oct 26 08:15:38 V-ille, which means the server is overloaded, but not the bandwidth Oct 26 08:15:44 well, that's minor, the photo app loads much better now Oct 26 08:16:08 heh Oct 26 08:17:04 crashanddie, or the code is so badly done that server can't handle more than 2000 people simultaneously Oct 26 08:17:04 :)à Oct 26 08:17:04 finally, new maemo! Oct 26 08:17:38 Khertan, well, it's apache, isn't? Apache's policy is to try and handle everyone, no matter how many connections there are Oct 26 08:17:48 or at least it used to be, may have changed in this day and age of ddos Oct 26 08:18:02 * lcuk2 yawns Oct 26 08:18:06 crashanddie, i didn't talk of apache :) but the things managing the forum Oct 26 08:18:09 * Myrtti shivers Oct 26 08:18:13 phpbb ? Oct 26 08:18:29 * lcuk gets Myrtti a blanket Oct 26 08:18:45 I guess I could put on my pink furry slippers Oct 26 08:18:45 crashanddie, apache isn't the pb here :) Oct 26 08:22:08 so does this mean we see meego / n9 land soon!? Oct 26 08:22:19 ~n9 Oct 26 08:22:27 ~meego Oct 26 08:22:28 i heard meego is http://meego.com an opensource distribution for netbooks and mobile devices Oct 26 08:22:46 N9? what's that, some new licorice? Oct 26 08:23:13 liquor ice? Oct 26 08:23:21 lick-o-rice? Oct 26 08:23:42 crashanddie, o-rish Oct 26 08:23:59 lcuk, is that northern for "Irish"? Oct 26 08:24:40 n9 is the harmattan device Oct 26 08:24:45 V-ille: says who? Oct 26 08:24:49 rumours Oct 26 08:24:57 I'll spank you with 3-feet piece of licorice Oct 26 08:24:58 having an update for maemo doesn't really say much about the schedule of the next device Oct 26 08:24:59 Myrtti, the interwebs saids it Oct 26 08:25:13 Myrtti, therefore, it must be truths Oct 26 08:25:15 crashanddie: ah, the interwebs Oct 26 08:25:19 Ic Oct 26 08:25:33 I'm googling that Oct 26 08:25:43 I'm blogging this Oct 26 08:25:43 crashanddie, the interwebs tell us elvis is working in a truckstop cafe Oct 26 08:26:16 Myrtti: i'll do it faster, I'll twitter it Oct 26 08:26:16 "V-ille", when pronounced in two words, "vee" and "isle", sounds like a frenchman trying to say a mix between "sieg heil" and "the isle" Oct 26 08:26:22 err tweet it Oct 26 08:26:42 or identi-ca it.. Oct 26 08:26:46 Appiah, you are entitled to a free ticket on the failbus. Oct 26 08:26:52 =( Oct 26 08:26:54 Appiah: I was just about to comment that you are a freedom hater Oct 26 08:27:05 may I sit in the front? Oct 26 08:27:08 Myrtti: :) Oct 26 08:27:09 "twitter, why not identica!" Oct 26 08:27:31 blurgh Oct 26 08:27:37 5 minutes of watching identica front page on autorefresh reminds me why I've lost faith in humanity Oct 26 08:27:55 Myrtti, mouarf Oct 26 08:28:15 Myrtti, so one could say... [puts on sunglasses] that you are Finnish'd? [yeeeeeeeeaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah] Oct 26 08:28:29 haha Oct 26 08:28:59 crashanddie: looking for a patch in Cambridgeshire to grow organic carrots on Oct 26 08:29:19 organic, near cambridge? Oct 26 08:29:36 perhaps with a cottage or something to do website development and sewing and all kinds of crafts too Oct 26 08:29:38 With all the one-way roads in Cambridge, I'm surprised there isn't more pollution around there than London. Oct 26 08:30:06 I'd offer my garden but apparently there's cadmium and mercury in the soil here Oct 26 08:30:08 crashanddie: north of Cambridge, akshully Oct 26 08:30:20 midway to Peterborough Oct 26 08:30:28 Good lord Oct 26 08:30:29 crashanddie: its cambridge's way of telling you to use a park & ride, or just cycle :P Oct 26 08:30:34 stay away from Peterborough Oct 26 08:30:49 I'm with you on that one Oct 26 08:31:00 _midway to_ Oct 26 08:31:05 not _in_ Oct 26 08:31:08 Myrtti, STILL TO F'ING CLOSE Oct 26 08:31:14 s/to/too/ Oct 26 08:31:17 pft. Oct 26 08:31:32 too loud for this time in the morning Oct 26 08:31:35 simmer down :P Oct 26 08:31:39 apologies Oct 26 08:31:43 nothing wrong with Ramsey. Oct 26 08:32:00 [size=1]I'll be quieter from now on.[/size] Oct 26 08:32:18 moaning Oct 26 08:32:45 could look up a spot next door to John Major's Oct 26 08:33:07 Apple to buy Sony? lolwut Oct 26 08:33:11 could annoy him by throwing the greens of the carrots over the fence Oct 26 08:34:11 Companies Apple could buy with their cash, today: EA, NetFlix, Facebook, Adobe, Sony. Oct 26 08:34:29 Interesting companies in that list for Apple: Netflix, Facebook, Sony. Oct 26 08:34:48 does sony still have sony pictures and sony bmg? Oct 26 08:35:40 well, meego has landed on a consumer device (n900) Oct 26 08:35:46 ? Oct 26 08:35:53 "consumer"? Oct 26 08:35:57 hah Oct 26 08:36:11 crashanddie: why sony? Oct 26 08:36:57 Sargun_Screen, massive manufacturing plants, good stores around the world, all over a company that has tried to remain expensive -- quality over quantity, etc. Oct 26 08:37:23 crashanddie: but a lot of things apple would not be interested in. Oct 26 08:37:34 selling it off isn't difficult Oct 26 08:38:02 crashanddie, wheres the source article on this? Oct 26 08:38:10 based on their hints, i think netflix and facebook are better acquisitions Oct 26 08:38:13 well I'm glad I got my Sony eReader when I did Oct 26 08:38:21 timeless_mbp: agreed Oct 26 08:38:22 timeless, indeed Oct 26 08:38:31 although i could imagine them raiding sony for the music + movie archives Oct 26 08:38:38 apple buying netflix would be huge Oct 26 08:38:39 timeless_mbp: I hope they don't acquire netflix. Oct 26 08:38:42 i'm pretty sure apple has little interest in the manufacturing side Oct 26 08:38:48 timeless_mbp & Sargun_Screen: note the order I put those 3 names ;) Oct 26 08:38:59 apple buying facebook would be neat. Oct 26 08:39:20 then they could combine it and Ping Oct 26 08:39:24 Looking at Apple TV, and the renting business model they're getting in, Netflix would be a hugely interesting purchase for Apple Oct 26 08:39:30 or rather, throw Ping away Oct 26 08:39:33 leave it to apple to get something that works great and turn it into something greater Oct 26 08:39:33 does netflix use drm? Oct 26 08:39:52 kerio, don't know, don't live in the US, never used netflix Oct 26 08:41:14 me neither :( Oct 26 08:41:15 lcuk, it's just rumours based on rumours about speculation from would-be analysts Oct 26 08:41:21 no, wait, i can download movies for free Oct 26 08:41:23 nvm Oct 26 08:41:37 lcuk, but still: http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69P0FX20101026 Oct 26 08:41:48 "Shares of Sony Corp rose nearly 3 percent at one stage on Tuesday as traders cited media reports speculating that the Japanese electronics maker could be a potential acquisition target of Apple Inc." Oct 26 08:42:34 Sargun_Screen, though, it would kill off Google TV pretty badly if Apple bought Sony. Oct 26 08:43:14 crashanddie and the sony and apple philisophy is near ... making product wich work with high priced proprietary accessory :) Oct 26 08:43:26 I can see why Apple would want to buy Sony, but I can't see why Sony would be sold Oct 26 08:43:28 s/accessory/accessories Oct 26 08:43:48 Khertan, how so? The PS3 isn't really high-priced, and you don't need stupid accessories for every game Oct 26 08:43:54 Myrtti, +1 Oct 26 08:43:54 * Khertan can't see both Oct 26 08:44:01 Khertan, either. Oct 26 08:44:09 crashanddie, ok i forgot ps3 is from sony Oct 26 08:44:18 crashanddie: +1 ;-) Oct 26 08:44:26 but did you forget their msstick Oct 26 08:44:43 erhm, and it was different from SD, how exactly? Oct 26 08:45:15 crashanddie, size ... and price Oct 26 08:45:26 <|187|> hm anybody got a link for the system shock 2 boot video for the n900? i forgot to backup mine :| Oct 26 08:45:27 and only sony product use it Oct 26 08:45:41 hey Oct 26 08:45:42 their cam stupid cable Oct 26 08:45:44 The only difference is that SD/MMC/CF were sold to other companies a tiny bit before memory stick, which meant they had the market Oct 26 08:46:05 just finished the update Oct 26 08:46:06 everyone use mini usb ... sony use proprietary one Oct 26 08:46:23 Khertan, or maybe you're going to say that Sony is a bastard company for inventing the CD? :P Oct 26 08:46:24 should i update the wiki page on troubleshooting or something? Oct 26 08:46:30 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 08:46:31 well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 08:46:31 why is an usb but with an other form Oct 26 08:46:37 Khertan: in my Touch Reader it has the normal mini USB Oct 26 08:46:51 sony only ever won one media format war, bluray, just at the time when media became obsolete Oct 26 08:46:52 crashanddie, not for inventing it ... but for selling it has a long life support :) Oct 26 08:46:53 PRS-600 Oct 26 08:47:05 crashanddie, Khertan: http://www.theonion.com/video/sony-releases-new-stupid-piece-of-shit-that-doesnt,14309/ Oct 26 08:47:22 Khertan, blu-ray turned out to be not so bad in the end -- maybe that's why Apple wants to buy Sony, so they can eradicate Blu-Ray off the face of the earth. Oct 26 08:47:25 what's netflix? Oct 26 08:47:46 crashanddie, don't know ... Never use blueray Oct 26 08:47:56 Apple wants to buy Sony? Have you got a new dealer, crash? Oct 26 08:48:10 crashanddie, i m not interesting to buy a film 30Euros Oct 26 08:48:12 RST38h: Reuters Oct 26 08:48:16 OMG Oct 26 08:48:20 http://www.reuters.com/article/idUSTRE69P0FX20101026 Oct 26 08:48:30 it's just rumours though Oct 26 08:48:31 and i didn't believe it s the answer to store data Oct 26 08:48:34 Khertan, I bought two movies at 14.99 on Saturday, from Auchan. Oct 26 08:48:45 speculation, ok Oct 26 08:49:13 crashanddie, yesterday i go to the cinema looking a film ... for me and my wife : 10 Euros Oct 26 08:49:13 :) Oct 26 08:49:24 best screen Oct 26 08:49:26 best sound Oct 26 08:49:41 <_berto_> isn't Sony so much bigger than Apple? Oct 26 08:49:43 ~netflix Oct 26 08:49:45 Khertan, only 10 euros for a 3 hour rental? Oct 26 08:49:46 Khertan: you forgot the people Oct 26 08:50:06 RST38h, yep we were 10 in the room :) Oct 26 08:50:12 hi guys. does anyone know where is 'ar' archiver in fremantle repo? Oct 26 08:50:24 binutils Oct 26 08:50:30 crashanddie, ? Oct 26 08:50:35 really? thanks! Oct 26 08:50:36 5 Euro the place Oct 26 08:51:05 Khertan, ouais, mais 10 euros pour matter un film, ca fait mal au cul... pour 15 je l'ai chez moi en HD, sur un putain d'ecran avec un putain de son aussi... Oct 26 08:51:06 ghostcube, I rolled the update in just the classic debian way, apt-get update, apt-get upgrade, apt-get dist-upgrade Oct 26 08:51:29 Commander1024: any probs? Oct 26 08:51:33 nope Oct 26 08:51:33 Khertan, la difference est pas enorme, mais je paye rarement plus de 18e pour un film, qu'il soit blu-ray ou dvd Oct 26 08:51:36 i wouldd like to to it the same way Oct 26 08:51:41 thx Oct 26 08:51:55 do it in a screensession preferably via ssh for convenience Oct 26 08:52:04 ok Oct 26 08:52:06 :) Oct 26 08:52:10 crashanddie, ouais ... enfin faut tout de meme acheter l'ecran, le putain de son ... et motiver la femme pour mettre le film plutot que le truc en cours a la tv ... donc c'est achement plus simple d'allez au ciné :) Oct 26 08:52:42 Khertan, seulement si t'as une femme qui ne comprends pas "RESPECT MA AUTHORITA" Oct 26 08:53:28 I need more coffee Oct 26 08:53:39 crashanddie, :) Oct 26 08:53:49 NOTE: Flames do sound better in French Oct 26 08:54:39 Myrtti, exactly!! Oct 26 08:55:16 RST38h, yeah flames sounds always better in other languages ... Oct 26 08:55:24 RST38h, but here there isn't :) Oct 26 08:55:36 time to declare mailing list bancruptcy Oct 26 08:56:42 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 08:56:43 i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 08:57:02 what is the problem with -dist-upgrade ? Oct 26 08:57:06 could someone tinyurl or whatever the links Oct 26 08:57:09 Khertan, breaks device, as usual Oct 26 08:57:12 plz plz pretty plz Oct 26 08:57:15 really ? Oct 26 08:57:16 Myrtti, no Oct 26 08:57:28 how it s possible ? Oct 26 08:57:36 awwww Oct 26 08:57:46 by closing all apps and so xterminal ? Oct 26 08:58:01 updated the wili page Oct 26 08:58:02 Myrtti: ? Oct 26 08:58:09 wiki* Oct 26 08:58:21 mc_teo: did you inlcude the showstoppers? Oct 26 08:58:29 Khertan, take a good distribution, like debian (step 1), customize it until it's fucked (step 2), deploy an update, that doesn't follow any of the best practices of debian (step 3), watch everyone break their device due to unmet dependencies (step 4). Oct 26 08:58:56 crashanddie: sounds like fun Oct 26 08:59:12 crashanddie: step 4 is uninstall all userland in a package without conflicts nor dependencies Oct 26 08:59:49 crashanddie, hum ... step one is optionnal for meego ... :) Oct 26 09:00:01 heh# Oct 26 09:00:05 oh. well. thank goodness I wandered by... Oct 26 09:00:35 flashing FTL. :/ the backup restore thing doesn't quite restore everything... Oct 26 09:00:38 chem|st: as in the conflicting packages? then yes Oct 26 09:01:01 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 09:01:02 rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 09:01:35 Chani: eh? Oct 26 09:01:58 timeless_mbp: last time I flashed the device I lost some odds and ends. passwords of some kind, iirc. Oct 26 09:02:00 mc_teo: nice.. I tried to do that yesterday but maemo.org did not like me! Oct 26 09:02:41 Chani: passwords used by Maemo platform apps or third party apps? Oct 26 09:03:11 timeless_mbp: maemo Oct 26 09:03:17 it was either wifi or the browser Oct 26 09:03:19 odd Oct 26 09:03:40 * timeless_mbp is pretty sure both of those are saved Oct 26 09:03:50 does addblockplus work now on microb ? Oct 26 09:04:04 last time i try i was able to set prefs :) Oct 26 09:04:10 (was a year ago) Oct 26 09:04:12 DID IT SEND AN SMS AGAIN? Oct 26 09:04:36 * Chani is also irritated by the lack of password recovery for wifi. I mean, those aren't even real passwords most of the time. I typed them in, I should be able to get them out Oct 26 09:04:49 but anyways... I'm procrastinating again... Oct 26 09:04:50 Khertan: It does but just barely Oct 26 09:04:52 Chani: eh? Oct 26 09:04:58 Khertan: Not really recommended :( Oct 26 09:04:58 * Chani drags herself away from irc Oct 26 09:05:03 RST38h, can you define barely ? Oct 26 09:05:07 Chani: you can probably see them with gconftool Oct 26 09:05:08 Chani: gconf-tools helps... Oct 26 09:05:09 RST38h, oh really ? Oct 26 09:05:37 Khertan: Well, it lets you set some settings and even acts on them, from time to time Oct 26 09:05:43 less /var/lib/gconf/system/.... Oct 26 09:07:57 FSCK'ING NOKIA... they did send another SMS! Oct 26 09:08:44 http://to.ly/7Kka http://to.ly/7Kkk http://to.ly/7Kkm Oct 26 09:08:55 ^^ the three links in ~pr1.3 Oct 26 09:09:01 shortened Oct 26 09:09:02 25.10.10 15:56 72626 sent SMS / MMS 0:01 Oct 26 09:09:20 or should i use tinyurl to get a more descriptive url Oct 26 09:09:27 chem|st: did you reflash or do something similarly stupid? Oct 26 09:09:40 I had a msg window with that number Oct 26 09:10:03 timeless_mbp: I had reflashed but that worked before without sending the sms again Oct 26 09:10:37 wtf Oct 26 09:10:42 thought once activated it never tries again?! Oct 26 09:10:51 i just made an account in bit.ly Oct 26 09:10:51 chem|st: complaints to Nokia Care. please. Oct 26 09:10:59 in IE9 Oct 26 09:11:05 but nokia doesn't care about us maemo people! Oct 26 09:11:08 *ahem* Oct 26 09:11:17 and it comes up, do you wish chrome to remember this password Oct 26 09:11:24 *boohoo* Oct 26 09:11:32 They do not have to. They are the Phone Company. Oct 26 09:11:33 timeless_mbp: thats like telling someone to fsck off... Oct 26 09:11:50 chem|st <== perceptive Oct 26 09:12:38 RST38h: I love it when you do that ;) Oct 26 09:12:43 mc_teo: ? Oct 26 09:16:43 http://bit.ly/pr13_article http://bit.ly/pr13_release_notes http://bit.ly/pr13_wiki_page <-- the three ~pr1.3 links, shortened Oct 26 09:19:22 uh, didn't busybox on the n900 used to have wget? Oct 26 09:20:06 wget is a package on extras ieatlint: http://maemo.org/packages/view/wget/ Oct 26 09:20:14 ieatlint: I think it used to be used for apt but not needed anymore Oct 26 09:20:20 yeah, just installed it Oct 26 09:20:56 somehow i recall having it before pr1.3 as part of busybox (very stripped down, etc) Oct 26 09:21:03 but i may just be on crack Oct 26 09:22:24 also, it appears my cell provider just upgraded their towers here... i can now pull close to 4mbit on whereas i previously could only do about 1.5mbit Oct 26 09:22:42 ~flasher Oct 26 09:22:43 hmm... flasher is http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Oct 26 09:22:47 ~flashing Oct 26 09:22:48 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 26 09:23:30 Any sign of a madde sysroot? :D Oct 26 09:36:28 Has anyone updated their Nokia Qt SDK? Oct 26 09:36:46 Uh... why? Oct 26 09:37:24 Because it'd be nice if someone could give me there ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/cache/maemo*sysroot.tar.gz .. Oct 26 09:37:34 Can't find it on the internet and I don't use NokiaQtSDK :/ Oct 26 09:37:47 The PR1.3 sysroot that is .. Oct 26 09:37:59 Nah, I don't have that. Oct 26 09:38:29 I have the QT builder IDE... which I used once.. Oct 26 09:38:53 isn't the madde qemu really slow for you guys? Oct 26 09:39:05 On N900? Oct 26 09:39:07 Don't use it. Oct 26 09:39:23 It's an emulator. It's going to -have- to be slow Oct 26 09:40:08 yeah I realised that but I was hoping if there would be possible tweaks one can use.. meh Oct 26 09:41:42 um... OC? Oct 26 09:43:35 lol nah, I think it'll work better if one has single core or if qemu can be multi-threaded oh well.. curiousity kills the cat Oct 26 09:43:40 does HAM issue apt-get autoremove after you remove packages? Oct 26 09:43:49 (or equivalent) Oct 26 09:44:01 flux: something alike Oct 26 09:44:11 chem|st, ok, thanks Oct 26 09:44:18 but with close I guess Oct 26 09:44:41 I suppose I can just try and look with dpkg -l if the now-useless dependencies have been removed Oct 26 09:44:58 apt-get autoremove? Oct 26 09:44:58 flux: at least it does an autoclean after install Oct 26 09:45:05 chem|st, well, it's not the same thing :) Oct 26 09:45:14 flux: yeah I know Oct 26 09:45:22 I don't see why -anyone- who comes into -this- chat actually uses HAM Oct 26 09:45:27 robbiethe1st, removes packages that have been installed as dependencies for other packages, when such manually installed have been removed Oct 26 09:45:38 but it seems to uninstall at least some libs it installed with the package Oct 26 09:45:39 robbiethe1st, well, it's my gf's phone, she doesn't have even rootsh installed ;) Oct 26 09:46:01 well, why not do so? she doesn't have to know or care Oct 26 09:46:12 RobbieThe1st: I will from now on try to not use apt anymore if not needed Oct 26 09:46:23 I suppose it sort of a nice idea trying to do everything the 'official way' Oct 26 09:46:28 ...Why? Oct 26 09:46:39 robbiethe1st, to prove oneself that the system isn't broken ;) Oct 26 09:46:46 But it is... Oct 26 09:46:59 and the issue here is that to install pr1.3 is that it requires brainparty's dependency libgles1-sgx-img to be removed first Oct 26 09:47:08 RobbieThe1st: cause the upgrade made proof that it is not meant to be used Oct 26 09:47:28 at least not for upgrades Oct 26 09:47:49 Um... a pr1.3 OTA upgrade? why not just flash it, then restore content. Seems better and safer.. Oct 26 09:48:14 OTA is less hassle. and it's mostly 'clean' phone. Oct 26 09:48:20 RobbieThe1st: you ar out of the game now Oct 26 09:48:49 RobbieThe1st: pointing that anyone in here should not use ham and than asking for a flash anyway?! Oct 26 09:49:34 I'm saying that: 1. HAM is slow. 2. upgrading OTA is dangerous. 3. command-line tools are excellent if you know the commands. Oct 26 09:50:17 #2 is especially a problem when you run into an issue after upgrading: Was it because of the unclean upgrade, or because of a bug in the new code. Oct 26 09:50:23 how is OTA any more dangerous than flashing, if you have a backup? Oct 26 09:50:41 the last debian I installed was etch I am now at squeeze with aditional sid packages... if I would "reflash" my pc everytime there is something broke I would get tired from running my install backup scripts Oct 26 09:52:17 alterego: there is fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim.tar.gz Oct 26 09:52:25 RobbieThe1st: I installed a single program with apt... what I did not know is that the part just disappearing on my screens top edge was "held back packages" and "upgrade packages" as apt-worker automagically sets the new packages to upgrade Oct 26 09:52:26 Kaadlajk: yes, that's the file I want :) Oct 26 09:52:59 flux: see number 2. Do you want the possibility of extra errors? chem|st: Yes, true enough. But, most desktop distros are intended to be OTA upgraded. I don't trust Nokia's ability to make things work right all the time. Oct 26 09:53:40 so the freaking broken upgrade uninstalled most of the systemUI and restarted without further action, and then it was in a watchdog cycle where I wasn't fast enough in stopping the watchdog to prevent it from restarting Oct 26 09:55:04 chem|st: Ah, you made a mistake. Yea, trying to do a dist-upgrade via apt is iffy at best if you know what you are doing. And the packages dependancys are all setup properly Oct 26 09:55:24 RobbieThe1st: I did not do a dist-upgrade Oct 26 09:55:35 you tried to upgrade to pr1.3, didn't you? Oct 26 09:55:59 I did a fsck'ing apt-get install Oct 26 09:56:07 no I didn't Oct 26 09:56:33 Then, how the heck did you manage to install something that conflicted with everything? *blink* Oct 26 09:56:34 I overread that it is installing 30MB Oct 26 09:57:07 alterego: do you have any place where i could upload it to? It is 193M and i dont have any place to put file that size Oct 26 09:57:33 RobbieThe1st: I didn't it is part of this upgrade and the freaking package uninstalling systemUI is not conflicting with the known packages but the package installing the systemUI is... Oct 26 09:58:02 Kaadlajk: erm, not realy, let me think about it for a moment. Oct 26 09:58:48 Kaadlajk: what does the slim mean in this case? Oct 26 09:58:49 Um... The only reason it'd uninstall a bunch of required packages is if one of the ones it needed to install ended up conflicting with a low-level package. Anything depending on that, then, got removed. Oct 26 09:58:51 alterego: going to try dropbox, seems to upload at decent speed there Oct 26 09:58:53 chem|st: no idea Oct 26 09:59:02 Kaadlajk: thanks :) Oct 26 09:59:30 2.6MB/sec, usually get like 100kB/s Oct 26 09:59:31 RobbieThe1st: I did a PR1.2 flash and watched the upgrade... it did just the same Oct 26 09:59:40 That's nice Oct 26 09:59:47 ..Yea, it should Oct 26 09:59:52 Americans still sleeping ^.^ Oct 26 10:00:35 Because one of the packages/sets of packages you installed conflicted with something else. More than likely the dependancy being installed was from PR1.3 and got mixed into the rest. I've run into that before Oct 26 10:00:56 and OTA doesn't brake anything not titans nor nitdroid Oct 26 10:00:58 Read: Add Debian repos to a Ubuntu system and try upgrading specific packages. Oct 26 10:01:13 Not a good idea Oct 26 10:01:36 Are you sure? I've seen a number of forum posts complaining about PR1.3 issues Oct 26 10:01:39 I was able to boot into nitdroid but there I had no proper chroot setup possible (didn't try that hard...) Oct 26 10:02:18 RobbieThe1st: you dont do a dist-upgrade with dist-fiend repos active! Oct 26 10:02:50 um... what? Oct 26 10:02:58 Not sure what you just said Oct 26 10:03:33 If you mean I shouldn't have tried upgrading with Debian repos..? Yes. I know. Oct 26 10:03:44 you do not apt-get dist-upgrade with repos in your sources.list from another distribution Oct 26 10:04:11 like maemo SDK repo... Oct 26 10:04:37 Actually, I didn't do dist-upgrade. I just tried to get one package, then all of its dependancies, then... I ended up replacing -all- of the system UI. I was lucky it still booted Oct 26 10:04:41 you do not apt-get --dist-upgrade - period Oct 26 10:04:59 But, my point was that that it's what -not- to do Oct 26 10:05:32 RobbieThe1st: ah you did the same as I did... I wasn't that lucky, it did boot but the watchdog made it restart after 15-20 seconds Oct 26 10:05:50 chem|st: This was on my desktop, not my N900 Oct 26 10:06:24 RobbieThe1st: ah then you did not check the dependencies ;) Oct 26 10:07:10 In that case, it wasn't an issue. I knew exactly what I wanted, and -hoped- that the new packages(which were installed, BTW) would work. They didn't, quite. Oct 26 10:07:45 Point is, I ended up learning my lesson. Yea, I'd been told not to do it, but you always have to try these things out for yourself. :P Oct 26 10:07:56 DocScrutinizer: Rule 4? what is "You shall not have other devices beside me!" Oct 26 10:08:28 where i can find whats new" on pr1.3? Oct 26 10:08:54 RobbieThe1st: yeah thats the way I learned it, lucky me I have a netbook to try the stupid stuff ahead ;) Oct 26 10:09:07 True Oct 26 10:09:20 juozapas: afaik the changelog is missing Oct 26 10:09:30 <|187|> hm did somebody find a solution to disable the splashscreen on boot @n900 ? Oct 26 10:09:50 <|187|> removed the video but the 'nokia' i cant get rid off ;~ Oct 26 10:09:56 juozapas: but andre put a bugtracker collective link on the PR1.3 wiki page Oct 26 10:10:31 k thx Oct 26 10:10:34 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 Oct 26 10:10:39 hi andre__ Oct 26 10:10:44 heja Oct 26 10:11:45 andre__: I think I have to reopen some of those :( I will check some stuff the next weekend! Oct 26 10:12:26 or at least write some new ones Oct 26 10:12:34 chem|st, just leave a comment (it's a bit weird but often Nokia prefers a new bug ticket instead) Oct 26 10:12:35 ah, k Oct 26 10:12:45 yeah I know Oct 26 10:13:06 as versions change it might be better to create new ones Oct 26 10:13:29 and link back from the old ones Oct 26 10:14:51 insane Oct 26 10:15:53 Who packages the libqt experimental stuff? Oct 26 10:16:06 alterego: the devil Oct 26 10:16:29 Just wondering if they were planning on packageing mobility 1.1.0 too .. Oct 26 10:16:54 you may ask one of the infected... Oct 26 10:34:56 Guys, did you try Need For Speed Undercover on N900? Oct 26 10:35:29 not here. Oct 26 10:35:50 not where? Oct 26 10:36:49 I did not. Oct 26 10:37:31 ah, ok :) I just wonder if someone could test this quick manual, to be sure that everything is safe: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851662&postcount=200 Oct 26 10:38:01 It works for me and for a couple other people who have tried, but I'd like to be sure. Oct 26 10:53:08 divan, so you posted it before testing it? Oct 26 10:53:58 Can somebody help me regarding updating to PR1.3 ? Oct 26 10:54:12 i try using HAM and it tells me to use a pc Oct 26 10:54:30 ~tell munkiii about flashing Oct 26 10:54:36 nah Oct 26 10:54:40 i don't wanna reflash Oct 26 10:54:46 i just want it to work OTA Oct 26 10:55:06 then free space on rootfs Oct 26 10:55:13 i've tried using apt-get upgrade but it doean't upgrade meamo, just some apps Oct 26 10:55:14 you need 85 megs free Oct 26 10:55:18 85mb, ok Oct 26 10:55:24 munkiii, read the bloody topic Oct 26 10:55:44 i'm at work, i don't have time at the moment to read it all Oct 26 10:55:57 well piss off then Oct 26 10:55:58 then do the update at home Oct 26 10:56:02 i just thought asking here would get me a quick answer, which it has done Oct 26 10:56:18 munkiii, flashing really is the best option Oct 26 10:56:21 "there is no quick answer" Oct 26 10:56:28 there is... Oct 26 10:56:34 the quick answer was 85mb Oct 26 10:57:21 cheer the f..k up anyway, telling people to piss off isn't the best way to help... Oct 26 10:57:47 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 10:57:48 pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 10:57:59 munkiii: "About PR 1.3: DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade!" Oct 26 10:58:17 and bouncing off every option condescendingly without providing all the information isn't helpful either. Oct 26 10:58:19 piss off, telling people is the best way to help. Oct 26 10:58:28 telling people to piss off* Oct 26 10:58:32 Termana, piss off Oct 26 10:58:39 Myrtti: why? Oct 26 10:58:49 crashanddie, piss off, too Oct 26 10:58:51 Scelt: ask crashanddie :-> Oct 26 10:58:51 crashanddie, no you Oct 26 10:59:09 You can't help someone unless they helped their bloody self Oct 26 10:59:13 help* Oct 26 10:59:27 Scelt, dist-upgrade will break the device Oct 26 10:59:29 * Stskeeps glares at crashanddie Oct 26 10:59:39 munkiii: 65 MB is enough, for me at least Oct 26 10:59:40 Stskeeps, yes my darling? Oct 26 10:59:42 crashanddie: how? Oct 26 10:59:49 Scelp - thanks Oct 26 10:59:57 Scelt Oct 26 11:00:17 just need to free 40mb rootfs now. Oct 26 11:00:28 munkiii, good luck Oct 26 11:00:29 ye Oct 26 11:00:41 piss off Oct 26 11:00:50 Scelt, conflicting packages, unresolved dependencies. It has broken nearly every upgrade before, and I've seen 3 people here kill it again for PR1.3. Until I'm shown it works, I'm telling everyone to stick with the proven tracks. Oct 26 11:00:54 munkiii: storageusage app is very useful for that. but remember to remove libqt4-test and libgles-sgx-something first Oct 26 11:01:06 munkiii: libqt4-test and libgles1-sgx-img Oct 26 11:01:31 crashanddie: oknp, I installed with dist-upgrade. Can't find any probs Oct 26 11:01:54 munkiii: those two packages will not let pr1.3 install successfully Oct 26 11:01:55 * agi apt-get upgraded to 1.3, no problems noticed Oct 26 11:01:55 Scelt, really? That's surprising. How much space did you have available? Oct 26 11:02:04 crashanddie: 65 MB Oct 26 11:02:07 hmm Oct 26 11:02:16 Scelt, did those two packages block the install? Oct 26 11:02:32 Scelt, or did you remove them before trying? Oct 26 11:02:47 let me tell you the whole story. takes a while to write Oct 26 11:02:51 k Oct 26 11:05:51 The buddy icons, used by different conversations plugins like pecan, and haze etc. Where does they store the image file? Oct 26 11:06:10 crashanddie: first I used app manager. it failed to let me install it. then I removed libqt4-test. Try again with app mgr, still nogo. Then I removed libgles1-sgx-img. App mgr shows the green light but I didn't want to get offline by surprise so I thought to use dist-upgrade to download the packages first. And I was at 3G so it took an hour or something so I prefered terminal over app mgr. After downloading those 1000 packages I ctrl+c the dist-upgrade and ... Oct 26 11:06:16 ... tried again with app mgr. It still wanted to download 45 MB even I already downloaded everything. I said nothx and used dist-upgrade. Seemed to go fine. At least *#0000# gives right version and I can write lower case letter after dot again. Oct 26 11:07:36 Scelt, apt and appmgr don't put the .deb files in the same directory Oct 26 11:07:36 Hi Oct 26 11:07:46 so you can't "cache" the downloads with apt for appmgr to use Oct 26 11:07:49 i'm happy that Adobe finally decided to bring 10.1 to MeeGo Oct 26 11:07:54 they didn't Mention Maemo though Oct 26 11:08:09 crashanddie: I figured it out but that's not the deal. dist-upgrade seemed to work fine Oct 26 11:08:22 k, thanks for the feedback Oct 26 11:08:24 Well, my development environment is now setup perfectly :D Oct 26 11:08:35 crashanddie: np Oct 26 11:08:52 Qt Creator (snapshot) + scratchbox + madde (latest) + maemo & meego toolchains and roots Oct 26 11:09:19 aren't you guys happy that adobe deicides to bring 10.1 ? Oct 26 11:09:36 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 11:09:36 extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 11:09:38 wth does 10.1 mean? Oct 26 11:09:38 It has taken me a day to install ubuntu 10.10 and everything including this SDK stuff :D Oct 26 11:09:49 xDaReaperx, or do you mean "flash 10.1"? Oct 26 11:09:51 Adobe flash 10.1 update Oct 26 11:09:59 Heh Oct 26 11:10:00 couldn't care less, tbh Oct 26 11:10:04 yep :d Oct 26 11:10:13 What about the webOS games being played on the N900 ? Oct 26 11:10:16 thats cool Oct 26 11:10:37 That does look cool Oct 26 11:10:42 ~ Oct 26 11:10:46 How do engadget know about that stuff before us? Oct 26 11:11:05 i have no idea lol Oct 26 11:11:23 they have (zomg!111) INSIDAAAARS!1 Oct 26 11:11:34 they have Sources Oct 26 11:11:38 engadet knew all about iphone before appled oes Oct 26 11:11:38 or maybe youtuber Oct 26 11:11:40 apple Oct 26 11:11:41 youtube * Oct 26 11:11:50 lots of typo aigh ? Oct 26 11:12:40 I think, like flash, it's just a case of "Look what we've done, no you can't have it" Oct 26 11:13:27 Well, my scratchbox install is only 3.1G Oct 26 11:13:29 Not bad Oct 26 11:18:24 BlueZ is something relating to bluetooth ? Oct 26 11:19:24 yup Oct 26 11:19:37 bluez is the bluetooth stack and services Oct 26 11:19:41 bluez is rthe linux bluetooth stack Oct 26 11:19:47 the user-mode side Oct 26 11:20:15 okay Oct 26 11:20:31 i was reading the release notes Tools content updates and found it Oct 26 11:20:51 ty Oct 26 11:31:23 if EA was with Nokia , we would have awesome games by now :D .. Oct 26 11:31:27 sadly they broke up Oct 26 11:32:23 crashanddie, no, I tested it myself two times, and a couple of my friends as well. But I won't to hear response from more people. Oct 26 11:40:33 hmm, ota upgrade doesn't work? it prompts me to run the nokia pc suite anyway...? Oct 26 11:41:48 do i really need to use Nokia PC Suite to be able to upgrade to PR1.3? Oct 26 11:42:29 I just clicked "install updates" on the phone Oct 26 11:42:57 i.e. in app manager "check for updates" and then install them Oct 26 11:43:07 ~topic Oct 26 11:43:14 *sigh* Oct 26 11:43:15 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 11:43:16 somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 11:43:32 if it says to install using PC suite and you cant install OTA , remove some apps ... this is because they are conflicting with the update Oct 26 11:43:39 Darn. I was hoping for the old message. :P Oct 26 11:43:42 and then try to install OTA again Oct 26 11:43:44 Anyway, I'm off. Bye Oct 26 11:43:45 i did that, it then asks me i must use the nokia pc suite on my pc Oct 26 11:44:19 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 11:44:20 hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 11:44:55 read this : http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 11:45:02 it should help you solve the OTA update problems Oct 26 11:45:21 read what mc_teo says Oct 26 11:46:25 right, thanks, sorry, a bit late here. Oct 26 11:47:25 no problem Oct 26 11:50:45 is there some list of new features / fixed bugs for PR1.3? Oct 26 11:50:54 is PR1.3 worth it? Oct 26 11:51:53 steinex doesn't cost anythign to upgrade Oct 26 11:52:12 except time if you've been a bad boy and used non approved software Oct 26 11:52:29 DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade!? Oct 26 11:52:33 why not? Oct 26 11:54:03 damn - when i'm trying to deinstall packages via apt-get, it just wants to upgrade almost everything :/ Oct 26 11:54:16 how can i deinstall just one package? Oct 26 11:55:31 ah, dpkg -r Oct 26 11:55:33 maybe hold the rest and try removing it? not all the time will that work however Oct 26 11:56:05 or that :) Oct 26 12:03:37 steinex, apt-get purge packagename Oct 26 12:03:52 steinex, dpkg -r only removes said package, without checking for unused dependencies Oct 26 12:05:31 crashanddie, mm, apt-get purge doesn't either? Oct 26 12:05:36 crashanddie, but purge does remove the configuration etc files Oct 26 12:08:56 Is there something like zenity for maemo, but hildonized? Oct 26 12:09:22 I.e. which allows me to call from command line smth like "dialog --msgbox 'Hello, World"" Oct 26 12:10:45 divan: you can try pymameo or pyside, not as asy but is "hildonized" Oct 26 12:11:37 Thanks, but maybe something non-python? Oct 26 12:11:50 Is it possible to use the N900 as an FM-transmitter, for a second device, like an ipod? Oct 26 12:12:10 yes Oct 26 12:12:24 yes you can Oct 26 12:12:30 I used it with my home stereo, although that was just for kicks as I can use the cable there as well. Oct 26 12:12:36 But the fm transmitter worked fine. Oct 26 12:13:11 steinex: the update seems nice, it makes the photos load better at least Oct 26 12:13:23 no other observations yet, but apparently it has some performance fixes Oct 26 12:13:23 I know i can play music from the N900, but I mean, using the n00 like a really really expensive FM-transmitter. Not having any music on the phone itself Oct 26 12:13:38 I thought of pluging in a ipod or so in the 3,5mm output Oct 26 12:13:43 and play music from that one. Oct 26 12:13:59 so.. the ipod would be the input, and n900 the transmitter? Oct 26 12:14:03 Yes Oct 26 12:14:07 It's possible Oct 26 12:14:15 jacekowski: crashanddie has some bad experiences about it. Worked fine for me though Oct 26 12:14:16 Any application for that, or how would I set it up? Oct 26 12:14:27 I wonder if that works out of the box, or if some manual assembly is required Oct 26 12:14:33 Not really an app for that currently no. Oct 26 12:15:05 alterego: Any guide or similair I could follow? Or anything Oct 26 12:15:34 Nope Oct 26 12:15:50 Erm, I'd look into how fmtx actually works. Oct 26 12:15:54 So it is possible, but I will probably make it work :) Oct 26 12:16:02 probably never* Oct 26 12:16:11 Then maybe you could just enable it then setup a gstreamer pipeline to feed input from the mic channel and output to ftmtx Oct 26 12:16:29 alterego: ? Oct 26 12:16:38 alterego: what are you doing with fmtx Oct 26 12:16:39 does it have a line input, even? Oct 26 12:16:44 alterego: i've done some research about it Oct 26 12:16:46 alterego: quite a bit Oct 26 12:17:09 I'm not doing anything, he just wants to pipe the microphone headset channel to fmtx Oct 26 12:17:15 "he" being V-ille :) Oct 26 12:17:25 no, not me, but granden Oct 26 12:17:39 he being me :) Oct 26 12:17:40 well, not with nokia software Oct 26 12:17:48 when you plug something into that socket fmtx will disable Oct 26 12:17:51 Oh well, I'm glad we sorted that out ^.^ Oct 26 12:17:57 but hardware can do it Oct 26 12:18:10 and with my modified fmtxd it's possible Oct 26 12:18:12 jacekowski: So, is there any third party software to be used? Oct 26 12:18:27 jacekowski: Where could I get your modified fmtxd ? Oct 26 12:18:51 http://jacekowski.org/Maemo/FMTXD Oct 26 12:20:20 * TriztFromWork don't think his gps really works, never really been working proeprly Oct 26 12:20:37 why? Oct 26 12:21:08 jacekowski: "It's provided as is and without any instructions how to install it." Mind giving some simple instructions here on irc :) Oct 26 12:21:10 if I disable agps, it never find where I'm, just keep on "Looking for GPS..." Oct 26 12:22:04 granden: read whole post Oct 26 12:22:17 there is a link on top of it Oct 26 12:22:29 is tmo down? Oct 26 12:23:38 ( steinex doesn't cost anythign to upgrade) errhm, *cough* - - https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 Oct 26 12:23:39 Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's Oct 26 12:24:22 costs only your proper working conversation SMS Oct 26 12:24:51 I can't see me upgrading to pr1.3 any time soon Oct 26 12:25:00 jacekowski: Can not access, talk.maemo.org Oct 26 12:27:24 me neither Oct 26 12:28:28 X-Fade: wtf? Oct 26 12:28:36 X-Fade: it's down more often than it isn't Oct 26 12:29:05 jacekowski: ?? Oct 26 12:29:09 tmo Oct 26 12:30:49 Ping reggie, that is hosted somewhere else. Oct 26 12:31:46 usually a "HAHAHA akamei SUCKS!" is enough to make them trow additional iron & bandwidth on it. They seem to monitor the channel :-P Oct 26 12:32:08 HAHAHAHAHA akamai sucks Oct 26 12:32:33 still down Oct 26 12:32:41 suckers Oct 26 12:32:41 oO Oct 26 12:32:44 it's working Oct 26 12:32:50 slowly Oct 26 12:32:51 lol Oct 26 12:32:56 toldya Oct 26 12:33:42 yeah, it's working Oct 26 12:35:53 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 12:35:53 methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 12:36:18 hee nice, engadget got informed of javispedro's shenanigans :) Oct 26 12:36:41 Yeah, that doesn't help tmo either. Oct 26 12:36:49 ouch. no. Oct 26 12:37:04 I guess it has a limited capacity :) Oct 26 12:37:10 ~flashing Oct 26 12:37:10 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 26 12:37:26 jacekowski: Hmm, reading that blogpost it seams to be more about enabling greater FM-bandwith. Where could I read more about getting audio from 3,5 and transmitting on FM radio Oct 26 12:37:47 granden: 3.5 as in 3.5mm jack? Oct 26 12:37:48 mece: they do seem to think you have to "jailbreak" n900 to play these games Oct 26 12:37:56 LOOOOL Oct 26 12:38:22 confusion over having to install a package to "root" the n900 maybe? Oct 26 12:38:35 or maybe people are just used to that being how phones work by now :( Oct 26 12:38:40 you don't have to "root" it though, you can use queenbee, can't you? Oct 26 12:39:11 meh. anyway Oct 26 12:39:16 BCMM: Yes Oct 26 12:39:29 so where is this engadget article? Oct 26 12:39:29 so are the games any good? Oct 26 12:39:35 http://www.engadget.com/2010/10/26/n900-can-run-unmodified-webos-games-what-can-your-linux-based-p/ Oct 26 12:39:46 granden: i reckon you could probably do it with a simple gstreamer command line Oct 26 12:39:47 "article" is a bit of a strong word for engadget though :) Oct 26 12:39:51 ooh well Oct 26 12:40:02 granden: i saw instructions somewhere for how to send audio from the onboard mic out through FM Oct 26 12:40:12 granden: i'm sure that could be adapted to use an external mic Oct 26 12:40:20 granden: dunno where i saw it though; could ask google Oct 26 12:41:16 so are there practical differences between flashing from a PC and doing OTA for pr1.3? do both methods uninstall applications and so on? Oct 26 12:41:49 seems palm catalog doesn't work in Finland, so not a great chance of seeing someone with a pre that actually have some games Oct 26 12:42:05 BCMM, ota doesn't uninstall anything. Oct 26 12:42:10 BCMM, no, you get to keep your apps and data if you do OTA update Oct 26 12:42:19 ah, but you can't do that using a PC? Oct 26 12:43:07 so what's deciding who sees the OTA update and who doesn't? are they just doing it a few devices at a time to avoid hammering their server? Oct 26 12:43:32 BCMM, are you not seeing the update? Oct 26 12:43:49 mece: well, i'm checking for updates again now Oct 26 12:43:52 i couldn't last night Oct 26 12:44:14 BCMM, I think UK was delayed again, are you in the UK? Oct 26 12:44:16 but then again i only just notices that "slowly but surely" has gone since last night Oct 26 12:44:22 mece: yeah, UK Oct 26 12:44:44 jacekowski: Anyhelp on how to ppe the input from the 3.5mm jack to the FM-transmitter? Oct 26 12:44:45 We were the first for PR1.2 :P Oct 26 12:44:55 BCMM: I dunno what to google for really, never get any good results. Oct 26 12:45:09 Anyway, can someone paste their sources.list entry for extras-devel in scratchbox please? Oct 26 12:46:00 granden: try looking for the more general question of how to use gstreamer to pipe a sound input to a sound output Oct 26 12:46:23 deb http://respository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Oct 26 12:46:26 mece: a friend who is also in the UK already has the update, offered last night... Oct 26 12:46:38 BCMM, I guess it should be there then.. Oct 26 12:46:51 disable extras, testing and devel for speedier update checks Oct 26 12:47:16 alterego, did you need sources too? Oct 26 12:47:22 I don't seem to have that.. Oct 26 12:47:23 hm Oct 26 12:47:28 perhaps it's the same Oct 26 12:47:33 only deb-src Oct 26 12:47:36 are they rolling it out all handsets (in an area) at the same time, or doing some kind of trick to stagger the updates for their server's sake? Oct 26 12:48:17 andre__: boy you're fast Oct 26 12:48:33 timeless_mbp, and you should know better ;-) Oct 26 12:48:40 mece: hrm, that's what I've got Oct 26 12:48:42 Interesting. Oct 26 12:48:46 Okey.. The fastest way to show file selector dialog and return filename to the shell? Oct 26 12:48:46 mece: thanks :) Oct 26 12:48:57 * alterego attempts to work out how to push his source to gitorious Oct 26 12:49:17 I'm not a fan of python, but anyway python-hildon seems to be obsoleted a bit, no? Oct 26 12:49:35 andre__: i just want it reported so i can point to it later Oct 26 12:49:35 Hmm, totally lost dunno how to do this. Oct 26 12:49:39 it's bloody annoying Oct 26 12:50:55 meh, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=1695 Oct 26 12:50:56 Bug 1695: Browser: Provide "open link in background" Oct 26 12:54:08 whatever "requires badgering" means, seems it's a process Nokia isn't exactly performing at Oct 26 12:54:51 damn it, I seriously considered searching for some information on tmo, and now it's down Oct 26 12:55:08 it's not down, it's MIA Oct 26 12:55:25 what's the difference doc? Oct 26 12:55:55 [2010-10-26 14:27:47] usually a "HAHAHA akamei SUCKS!" is enough to make them trow additional iron & bandwidth on it. They seem to monitor the channel :-P Oct 26 12:56:04 [2010-10-26 14:28:10] HAHAHAHAHA akamai sucks Oct 26 12:56:13 [2010-10-26 14:29:44] yeah, it's working Oct 26 12:56:44 Morning Oct 26 12:56:56 moo javispedro Oct 26 12:56:59 hola javispedro! Oct 26 12:57:00 morning javispedro Oct 26 12:57:30 btw, tmo is not Akamai for all I know :P Oct 26 12:57:43 it's not?? o.O Oct 26 12:57:53 akamai is ovi store Oct 26 12:57:58 erm.. vice versa Oct 26 12:57:58 Yay, put my first project into gitorious :) Oct 26 12:58:01 and maemo.org Oct 26 12:58:07 alterego, yay, and which one is that? Oct 26 12:58:08 (but not talk.maemo.org) Oct 26 12:58:23 alterego: congrats :) Oct 26 12:58:31 alterego, have a bottle of beer Oct 26 12:58:38 * MohammadAG gives alterego an empty bottle of beer Oct 26 12:58:48 * merlin1991 wonders what "ovi suite support" from the update means in the real world Oct 26 12:59:01 cookies Oct 26 12:59:07 mece: http://gitorious.org/maemo5-media-im-status-updater Oct 26 12:59:09 merlin1991: seems that they made SMS listing work in Windows ovi suite Oct 26 12:59:43 not on the traditional PC Suite, so it smells propietary protocol everywhere, but dunno. Oct 26 12:59:48 Hrm .. Oct 26 12:59:53 I think I've done something wrong .. Oct 26 13:00:00 I get a password prompt when attempting "sudo rootgain" on pr 1.3, i also can't change the pass using passwd. Oct 26 13:00:04 what is the default password? Oct 26 13:00:09 alterego, you've killed us all! Oct 26 13:00:14 sudo gainroot... Oct 26 13:00:29 MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/maemo5-media-im-status-updater/maemo5-media-im-status-updater/trees/master Oct 26 13:00:36 I've got duplicate project name. Oct 26 13:00:48 In the url Oct 26 13:00:51 Is that right? Oct 26 13:01:05 alterego: yeah Oct 26 13:01:08 MohammadAG: i just want to used it to do chmod +s su Oct 26 13:01:15 use* Oct 26 13:01:31 alterego, yeah, I think so Oct 26 13:01:35 alterego: suposedly second slug is "repository name", but IMHO this only starts to make sense with uber large projects Oct 26 13:01:37 Oh, okay Oct 26 13:01:40 alterego, http://gitorious.org/psfreedomui/psfreedomui Oct 26 13:01:49 Right, thanks :) Oct 26 13:01:55 that way you can have subsections I think Oct 26 13:01:59 like meego/bootloader Oct 26 13:02:06 meego/somebuginapackage Oct 26 13:02:08 The first is the normalised version of Maemo5 Media IM Status Updater I presume ^.^ Oct 26 13:02:09 etc Oct 26 13:02:42 alterego: yep, "normalised"=slug (it actually asks you for it iirc) Oct 26 13:02:56 Yeah, when I created "the project" Oct 26 13:03:14 Now, should I update that program or just leave it there .. Oct 26 13:03:22 * javispedro is a fan of unappropriated use of double quotes Oct 26 13:03:32 I've not touched it in months, I keep meaning to port the UI to Qt/C++ as Qt/Python is dog-slow Oct 26 13:03:52 Python is shit on maemo :P Oct 26 13:04:03 Python is fine, it's python modules that slow it down :P Oct 26 13:04:13 * javispedro 's always trying to make a C fmradio for this very reason Oct 26 13:04:18 Qt/Hildon are massive modules .. Oct 26 13:04:25 Well, Hildon+Gtk Oct 26 13:04:57 phryk: forget it, su is a symlink to messybox, and you can't +s symlinks Oct 26 13:05:17 ~messybox Oct 26 13:05:17 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Oct 26 13:05:20 alterego, then port it :) Oct 26 13:05:22 oh, btw, I made that package I was talking about the other day Oct 26 13:05:26 making sudo -s work Oct 26 13:05:28 alterego, what does your app set anyways Oct 26 13:05:33 Yeah, think I will, can't be bothered to do anything else anyway. Oct 26 13:05:36 * MohammadAG has a suenabler package Oct 26 13:05:37 the only issue I found is that $HOME is set to /home/user Oct 26 13:05:41 enables sudo du Oct 26 13:05:45 err Oct 26 13:05:46 HEEELP Oct 26 13:05:46 sudo su Oct 26 13:05:54 MohammadAG: ah, it was on extras? Oct 26 13:05:54 PR1.3 crashed my conversations i think Oct 26 13:06:02 nope Oct 26 13:06:16 it's a sneaky way anyways Oct 26 13:06:16 DocScrutinizer: worked fine on 1.2 Oct 26 13:06:20 MohammadAG: /etc/sudoers.d/suenabler.sudoers containing user: /bin/su ? Oct 26 13:06:25 not the right way(TM) Oct 26 13:06:29 yeah Oct 26 13:06:33 for some reason I can do sudo whatever Oct 26 13:06:43 merlin1991, same Oct 26 13:06:47 but I dunno wich package enabled me todo that, didn't enable on purpouse Oct 26 13:07:00 anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages Oct 26 13:07:05 merlin1991, I'm trying to track down the package which does that Oct 26 13:07:07 DocScrutinizer: If you meant busybox, I installed the gnu-coreutils Oct 26 13:07:12 merlin1991, can you give me a list of apps installed? Oct 26 13:07:28 pastebin the output of maemo-list-user-packages Oct 26 13:07:29 easiest way to create such a list except by hand? Oct 26 13:07:35 ah :D Oct 26 13:07:35 phryk: me too Oct 26 13:07:39 and the file is where? Oct 26 13:07:42 can anyone help me? Oct 26 13:08:09 merlin1991, what file? Oct 26 13:08:16 it outputs to stout :) Oct 26 13:08:18 ah Oct 26 13:08:19 DocScrutinizer: So… still, what is the default pw? Oct 26 13:08:20 sry Oct 26 13:08:27 thought its a file :D Oct 26 13:08:32 IroN900:~# ls -l `which su` Oct 26 13:08:33 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 7 2010-06-23 06:13 /bin/su -> busybox Oct 26 13:08:36 maemo-list-user-packages > /home/user/MyDocs/packageslist Oct 26 13:08:43 and there IS NO default password Oct 26 13:08:50 MohammadAG: I do think we need to push a better rootsh package. The current one is unmaintained not to mention it doesn't not even purge correctly. Oct 26 13:08:56 there is *NO* password by default :-P Oct 26 13:09:14 ah, double negation! Oct 26 13:09:20 phryk: you really think you know what you're doing? Oct 26 13:09:23 anyone read my problem? Oct 26 13:09:25 javispedro, qwerty12 wouldn't mind really Oct 26 13:09:28 What are "Labels" for in gitorious? Oct 26 13:09:28 DocScrutinizer: Not anymore o_O Oct 26 13:09:38 DocScrutinizer: but why the hell did it work before?^^ Oct 26 13:09:42 MohammadAG: In fact, I think he MINDS that we still use his package ;) Oct 26 13:09:57 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 13:09:57 rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 13:10:02 the sudo version on the n900 is too old, which is unfortunate Oct 26 13:10:06 javispedro, nah, he's a good guy, even though he insulted most of the guys on maemo.org Oct 26 13:10:19 MohammadAG, http://pastebin.com/MqFU3xYQ Oct 26 13:10:31 MohammadAG: and some guys from here ;P Oct 26 13:10:35 small list Oct 26 13:10:42 is talk.maemo.org down? Oct 26 13:10:43 javispedro, they're on maemo.org too :P Oct 26 13:10:56 javispedro, doesn't take away from the fact he's a good guy, who got burnt Oct 26 13:11:13 crashanddie: yeah, not saying otherwise. Oct 26 13:11:20 could've happened to any one of us, really. Probably already has happened, just in less obvious and public ways. Oct 26 13:11:40 DocScrutinizer, what is it suppose to mean if the front LED is purple? Oct 26 13:11:46 well, it happened to GAN900, too. He just became a PITA troll :P Oct 26 13:11:49 hmm Oct 26 13:11:56 Hahah Oct 26 13:12:07 He's always been a pita troll :P Oct 26 13:12:14 not true Oct 26 13:12:16 just like Termana Oct 26 13:12:17 hm... pita... Oct 26 13:12:17 Termana: in your particular case? broken device Oct 26 13:12:23 he used to be a tmo god Oct 26 13:12:27 pain in the ass :P Oct 26 13:12:32 Well, he's not been a pain in my ass Oct 26 13:12:42 crashanddie: who got burnt? Oct 26 13:12:43 I find GAN quite humourous tbh :) Oct 26 13:12:50 alterego, that's because you're not his cellmate :D Oct 26 13:12:50 merlin1991, could be fmtx-faker Oct 26 13:12:53 crashanddie: what degree of burns? :) Oct 26 13:12:57 is there a fix for dropbox the PR 1.3 seems to have broken it Oct 26 13:13:06 or qole's easy-chroot package Oct 26 13:13:06 DocScrutinizer51, :p Oct 26 13:13:09 MohammadAG, sryl? that would be weird :D Oct 26 13:13:23 HELP ;( Oct 26 13:13:25 DocScrutinizer51, I think it might be the only report of a purple LED though. Now I can sell it off as "rare n900" Oct 26 13:13:32 purple LED! Oct 26 13:13:46 Termana: ah, did you try to boot it already? did the screen work? Oct 26 13:13:48 err Oct 26 13:13:51 * DocScrutinizer burps and looks at his purple breathing light Oct 26 13:13:56 the N900 can show both purple and pink Oct 26 13:14:02 javispedro, no the screens not working Oct 26 13:14:06 TV Out is Oct 26 13:14:07 :( Oct 26 13:14:20 Termana, sounds like the connector got loose? Oct 26 13:14:21 But it doesn't boot and gives me an error at the dots Oct 26 13:14:30 Moo, all Oct 26 13:14:33 merlin1991, http://pastebin.com/9fSExt9D Oct 26 13:14:35 moo RST38h Oct 26 13:14:43 crashanddie, nah, I have it open, the connectors on fine Oct 26 13:14:56 javispedro: how is Per environment doing? =) Oct 26 13:15:00 crashanddie: not exaxtly as for unknown hw reasons without connector the TV out doesn't work it seems Oct 26 13:15:03 Termana, sounds like you're stuffed, then. Oct 26 13:15:16 DocScrutinizer, really? Oct 26 13:15:18 MohammadAG, slightly more stuff :D Oct 26 13:15:18 RST38h: getting useful patches even, I'm impressed. Oct 26 13:15:19 no one with the same problem here? Oct 26 13:15:28 DocScrutinizer, people checking grounding on outputs is bad. Oct 26 13:15:43 RST38h: tmo seems to be worth it in the end if you can stand all the trolls Oct 26 13:15:57 crashanddie: I suspect clock issues Oct 26 13:16:27 sar3th|away, gtfo with you nick changing Oct 26 13:16:29 haha Nokia writes me sms ... that theres a softwareupdate for my .... - more of the msg i cannot read because i installed the f**ing software update already -.- Oct 26 13:16:55 Skyscraper, phone is 5 dots Oct 26 13:17:03 javispedro: I bet those patches come from people who joined before Sep 2009 Oct 26 13:17:12 RST38h: ... yes. Oct 26 13:17:13 Termana: what do you mean? Oct 26 13:17:19 Skyscraper, "help" and "anyone have my problem?" isn't going to get people to help solve your problem. State your issue in a clear manner, and if people know, they will help Oct 26 13:17:35 crashanddie: ive written whats the problem Oct 26 13:17:36 RST38h: well, make it jan 2010 Oct 26 13:17:38 * MohammadAG wonders where to get pre games without a pre Oct 26 13:17:41 Skyscraper, nevermind :p Oct 26 13:17:52 MohammadAG, search for ipk's Oct 26 13:17:57 .... Oct 26 13:18:01 *COUGH* Oct 26 13:18:02 crashanddie: [15:03] anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages Oct 26 13:18:10 was thinking of something more... legal Oct 26 13:18:11 Skyscraper, and as you've noticed, this channel evolves quickly, people don't read 10 lines up when joining, so feel free to repost your question ever 10 minutes or so. Oct 26 13:18:18 javispedro: unusual Oct 26 13:18:20 MohammadAG, send them some money in the mail Oct 26 13:18:33 * sivang thanks himself for not updating to 1.3 Oct 26 13:18:33 MohammadAG, then it's all smooth. Oct 26 13:19:02 MohammadAG: there's no way that I know of. Oct 26 13:19:08 Mohammad: There. Oct 26 13:19:18 sivang, 1.3 is old skool now anyway. Oct 26 13:19:25 1.4 is where it's AT dawg Oct 26 13:19:27 :p Oct 26 13:19:36 Termana: HAHA Oct 26 13:19:40 Termana: when will it be released? Oct 26 13:19:42 Termana: no, that's 1.5, aka Shitcake! Oct 26 13:19:44 ~1.4 Oct 26 13:19:45 hmm... 1.4 is coming tonight!!! Oct 26 13:19:59 javispedro, :P Oct 26 13:20:24 ~forget 1.4 Oct 26 13:20:25 crashanddie: i forgot 1.4 Oct 26 13:20:30 ~botsnack Oct 26 13:20:30 :), crashanddie Oct 26 13:20:44 javispedro, is the preenv package in devel? Oct 26 13:20:48 ~PR1.4 Oct 26 13:20:48 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Oct 26 13:20:51 MohammadAG: yeah, not user/* though Oct 26 13:20:52 good Oct 26 13:21:09 and are palm pre games good? Oct 26 13:21:11 seems no one have an idea.. Oct 26 13:21:25 The secret is.. there's no 1.4. They are going to make the next release 2.0 in order to catch up with google android's version number ;) Oct 26 13:21:27 ~6.6 Oct 26 13:21:37 RST38h, it's ~6.66 Oct 26 13:21:43 psycho_oreos: i think we're going back to 1.1 or 1.2 Oct 26 13:21:51 going up is old schook Oct 26 13:22:02 psycho: current android version is 2.1 Oct 26 13:22:02 (we can't spell school properly anyway) Oct 26 13:22:03 MohammadAG: they're the usual commercial mobile "quality". nice-looking, lacking depth, etc. Oct 26 13:22:03 ~botsnack Oct 26 13:22:03 aw, gee, sivang Oct 26 13:22:08 ~6.66 Oct 26 13:22:09 use kelvins instead of numbers :P Oct 26 13:22:21 timeless_mbp, cool, I'll catch up with the old firmwares then :) all those leaked PR releases :) Oct 26 13:22:33 javispedro: I.e. written by the same MIDP programmers? :) Oct 26 13:22:36 MohammadAG: have you done the Qt Creator + scratchbox integration yet? :) Oct 26 13:22:42 alterego, sure Oct 26 13:22:48 Good isn't it :) Oct 26 13:22:54 Termana: don't be so loose ! Oct 26 13:22:55 RST38h: did I tell you the part where certain big name publisher uses a JavaME->C++ code translator? Oct 26 13:22:56 RST38h, I know but imagine if next release is versioned 2.0, it wouldn't be that far off from android's firmware version? :) Oct 26 13:22:57 awesome really, when it works Oct 26 13:23:14 Oh, you have problems with it? Oct 26 13:23:14 sivang, WHAT? Oct 26 13:23:14 I find Qt Creator keeps pointing out non existing typos Oct 26 13:23:16 Termana: sorry Oct 26 13:23:20 that was menat for: Oct 26 13:23:24 timeless_mbp: Don't be so loose! Oct 26 13:23:29 RST38h: java::util::String implemented et all. Oct 26 13:23:32 Yeah, it's not indexing the code. Oct 26 13:23:33 alterego, red/green lines under code Oct 26 13:23:36 yep Oct 26 13:23:41 RST38h: and dumping java exceptions to stdout, even. Oct 26 13:23:42 Because it doesn't know where the headers are. Oct 26 13:23:50 Termana: my aplogies for that mishap Oct 26 13:23:57 btw whatabout the dualboot support that was roumored to come with pr1.3? (sry tmo is down :D) Oct 26 13:24:00 javispedro: mindblowing Oct 26 13:24:13 javispedro: Hell, I should write such a translator myself and sell it Oct 26 13:24:17 MohammadAG: I've got a nasty hack for that. Oct 26 13:24:30 sivang, :P Oct 26 13:24:31 I'd be more interested to see a proper solution. I might look into it later. Oct 26 13:24:35 alterego, fire away :P Oct 26 13:24:37 timeless_mbp, Termana : :) Oct 26 13:24:58 MohammadAG: just add INCLUDEPATH=/scratchbox/*/*/usr/lib Oct 26 13:25:01 RST38h: I guess you're late, I don't think they made such a thing in-house. Oct 26 13:25:02 how to changed the operator logo manually ?? Oct 26 13:25:04 /usr/include even .. Oct 26 13:25:16 javispedro: eh... Oct 26 13:25:21 rokr1__, change sims Oct 26 13:25:26 merlin1991, if anything iirc, it was only better support for meego Oct 26 13:25:30 Ta-da operator change Oct 26 13:25:30 javispedro: android->c++ then. Oct 26 13:25:32 alterego, where? Oct 26 13:25:38 in the .pro file Oct 26 13:25:41 that was curel answer termana Oct 26 13:25:57 infobot, termana is curel Oct 26 13:25:57 Termana: okay Oct 26 13:25:59 makes it incompatible with other set ups I suppose :) Oct 26 13:26:02 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851263&postcount=3 <- think he has same problem as me Oct 26 13:26:07 indeed, Oct 26 13:26:15 well, it's ignored when it doesn't make any sense. Oct 26 13:26:31 rokr1__, there's an app you cna get to change operator name, its in the repo Oct 26 13:27:24 i donot want to do through app Oct 26 13:27:31 the hard way Oct 26 13:27:45 RST38h: ohnoes http://www.xmlvm.org/overview/ Oct 26 13:28:25 ZogG, st stu stu stu stu stu stutt stutter stutters Oct 26 13:28:37 javispedro; Well, the checked all the keywords - XML, VM, CLR, Java Oct 26 13:28:44 lol Oct 26 13:28:46 thinking the same Oct 26 13:28:48 javispedro: Also XSLT, XQuery, and XPath Oct 26 13:28:55 javispedro: And .NET as well Oct 26 13:29:00 grrr my n900 is blinking blue because i cant read sms Oct 26 13:29:02 termana u were trying to update firmware r8?? Oct 26 13:29:13 "XMLVM"? How's that related to what the program does other than just trigger flashy keywords in Google Search? Oct 26 13:29:14 rokr1, what? Oct 26 13:29:20 anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messagesanyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages Oct 26 13:29:22 r8? Oct 26 13:29:27 right Oct 26 13:29:28 javispedro: apparently not related to LLVM (which may come useful in fact) Oct 26 13:29:41 rokr1, no? Oct 26 13:30:03 is ur N900 running 1.3?? Oct 26 13:30:07 Why would I be doing a firmware upgrade on a dead device? Oct 26 13:30:21 It's not running at all Oct 26 13:30:23 It has 1.2 flashed Oct 26 13:30:30 RST38h: yet another thing that's going soon the be a flashy keyword (LLVM). (not to underappreciate what it is, but marketing people is starting to "it's based on LLVM -> it's uber fast") Oct 26 13:30:44 example: Apple. Oct 26 13:30:44 oops wrong guy Oct 26 13:30:47 (they made it after all) Oct 26 13:31:44 i'm having PR 1.3 Oct 26 13:31:51 javispedro: sad Oct 26 13:31:57 when i open mirror it shows the Red LED light Oct 26 13:31:57 javispedro, gcc > LLVM Oct 26 13:32:06 javispedro: how do they make transition from LLVM to fast, anyway? Oct 26 13:32:09 it shows the pic but Oct 26 13:32:47 Termana: I do think LLVM is a much better teaching tool Oct 26 13:32:54 javispedro, you know why LLVM suxors? Oct 26 13:33:09 gcc source is just..... well. no words. Oct 26 13:33:21 Hello Oct 26 13:33:22 javispedro, because it's under a BSD license rather than the LGPL or GPL. Oct 26 13:33:23 MAWHAHAHA Oct 26 13:33:42 RST38h: possibly because of Jobs' RDF when he was talking about how it's going to revolutionize shaders Oct 26 13:33:48 I ugraded to PR1.3 and have this is my apt listings, is it out of date? Oct 26 13:33:51 https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ Oct 26 13:33:54 should it be 1.3? Oct 26 13:33:57 Termana: IMHO it's not actually a minor option Oct 26 13:34:16 s/option/point Oct 26 13:34:24 when did the qtcore module get part of the Maemo architecture, in which release ? Oct 26 13:34:29 Termana: Does that GPL license arouse you? =) Oct 26 13:34:32 * the Oct 26 13:34:47 javispedro, Why do you think Apple supports it. Because they don't want to keep releasing their Objective-C changes for gcc. Oct 26 13:35:07 * RST38h sighs Oct 26 13:35:07 RST38h, yeah, I could have the GPL in bed all night long. You BSD devil! Oct 26 13:35:09 :p Oct 26 13:35:25 Apple supports it because it is the best way for them to have multiplatform binaries Oct 26 13:35:29 RST38h, burn in hell BSD man! Oct 26 13:35:43 I strongly doubt they have issues releasing ObjC changes Oct 26 13:35:59 Considering that it is in their best interest to increasy ObjC popularity Oct 26 13:36:18 RST38h, but... but... but... but... /. told me so Oct 26 13:36:27 :p Oct 26 13:37:04 DocScrutinizer: Is there a way to get a "real" su? (Also, shouldn't the gnu-coreutils supply that?) Oct 26 13:37:05 the A word arrived./. Oct 26 13:37:12 guys, we need to cheer a bit, please! Oct 26 13:37:18 can someone on PR1.3 pastebin their /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list, please? Oct 26 13:38:13 anyone have the same problem since pr1.3? - conversations app shows the conversations... but when i open it theres nothing than a "blinking" grey/black background... cant read any messages Oct 26 13:38:42 Skyscraper, everyone is having that problem. Could you please file a bug report for us all Oct 26 13:38:54 Termana: lol no? Oct 26 13:39:00 granden: that's first thing you need Oct 26 13:39:06 granden: that modified fmtxd Oct 26 13:39:15 granden: so it will not switch off Oct 26 13:39:19 Skyscraper, then do me a favour Oct 26 13:39:32 granden: and then with some gstreamer trickery play audio from microphone Oct 26 13:39:35 no one can pastebin their source file for me? Oct 26 13:39:38 Skyscraper, STOP SPAMMING THE ROOM WITH YOUR BULL-FUCKING SHIT. WE SAW IT THE FIRST TIME Oct 26 13:39:39 conversations app works fine for me… Oct 26 13:39:49 Thank you Oct 26 13:40:08 Termana: NO.. when FUCKING NOKIA brings out FUCKING UPDATES which DOESNT WORK then i WANT SUPPORT Oct 26 13:40:20 *angry* Oct 26 13:40:24 Skyscraper, then, ring Nokia. We aren't Nokia. Oct 26 13:40:29 Skyscraper: but... this isn't Nokia channel Oct 26 13:40:31 We aren't your free support hippy Oct 26 13:41:06 how to downgrade to PR1.2? Oct 26 13:41:28 * pyther would like it if someone could pastebin their /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list (since mine had old entries in it) Oct 26 13:41:34 flash Oct 26 13:41:39 Termana: RST38h: I could see his Jobness being partially interested in controlling the compiler Oct 26 13:41:51 s/Jobness/Steveness Oct 26 13:41:56 psycho_oreos: i dont want to loose all installed apps etc Oct 26 13:41:57 Skyscraper, flash everything back, but you need to use the newer 1.3 radio stuff Oct 26 13:41:59 (sounds like Jobless :P) Oct 26 13:42:19 javispedro: You have a choice between His Jobsness and His Jobsenesness Oct 26 13:42:22 Skyscraper, you didn't do a system backup? Oct 26 13:42:33 btw. is new flash included in pr1.3? Oct 26 13:42:46 Skyscraper: this is NOT nokia support channel! Oct 26 13:42:49 and btw... Termana - crashanddie said i can repeat my problem every 10 minutes Oct 26 13:42:54 javispedro, right. I was joking about slashdot :p I believe he would argue that it is apart of the integrated experience. Oct 26 13:43:11 Skyscraper, you can do whatever you want here Oct 26 13:43:25 psycho_oreos: ive done backup.. but backup doesnt backup apps?! Oct 26 13:43:27 Skyscraper: Just don't get offended when you get banned, ok? Oct 26 13:43:59 RST38h: its not spamming when i repeat it every 10 minutes because i'm ignored by all... Oct 26 13:44:05 RST38h: are you using PR1.3? Oct 26 13:44:11 No one is ignoring you Oct 26 13:44:12 RST38h: btw, you still without Python on your N900? What you use for fmradio? I'm considering starting a C fmradio-clone. Oct 26 13:44:17 No one has the same problem Oct 26 13:44:26 Termana: thats not right^^ Oct 26 13:44:50 Termana: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851263&postcount=3 Oct 26 13:44:58 Skyscraper, highlighting me really wasn't a good idea Oct 26 13:44:59 HE has the SAME problem i think Oct 26 13:45:03 Skyscraper: bug is reported Oct 26 13:45:06 Skyscraper: no fix for now Oct 26 13:45:09 Skyscraper: stfu Oct 26 13:45:13 :p Oct 26 13:45:14 pyther: yes Oct 26 13:45:16 hi, where is the multimedia library located and how to access it? (photos, movies & music) Oct 26 13:45:16 crashanddie: yeah, goooo! Oct 26 13:45:20 Skyscraper: so, reported as bug. go there and keep hitting F5 for the next three millenia Oct 26 13:45:22 Skyscraper, no but from what I've heard it as a list of user previously installed apps, so when you run HAM again I believe it will install all the normal apps from the normal repo.. I dunno about user added repos Oct 26 13:45:32 RST38h: would you be so kind to post your apt sources? Oct 26 13:45:38 DocScrutinizer, I can? Oct 26 13:45:39 javispedro: Nah, removed python, too much of a mess. Not using radio either as it requires wired headphones (I have got bt) Oct 26 13:45:41 DocScrutinizer, really? Oct 26 13:45:48 Can you smell that? Oct 26 13:45:52 a kicky Oct 26 13:45:54 It smells like.... Oct 26 13:45:57 pyther: Not right now: I cannot ssh there at the moment Oct 26 13:45:59 THE KICKHAMMER Oct 26 13:46:01 javispedro: i dont have bug id -.- Oct 26 13:46:09 RST38h: ok Oct 26 13:46:12 RST38h: it does not -- it's just a fmradio limitation (yet more reason) Oct 26 13:46:15 (re headphones) Oct 26 13:46:54 lol Oct 26 13:47:11 javispedro: Doesn't it have to use headphone wire as an antenna? Oct 26 13:47:17 grr Oct 26 13:47:21 typing #0000# Oct 26 13:47:22 RST38h: with good enough signal, it doesn't Oct 26 13:47:29 javispedro: nice =) Oct 26 13:47:34 and then adding a * to the beginning of the string in Call Oct 26 13:47:36 RST38h: or with a natural antenna (buildings, etc.) Oct 26 13:47:37 does not do the right thing â„¢ Oct 26 13:47:41 #FAIL... no comment Oct 26 13:47:50 javispedro: ...your finger stuck into headphone jack... Oct 26 13:48:04 Skyscraper: a suggestion: if you're kicked from a channel, don't return for at least a few minutes unless you want to be permanently banned Oct 26 13:48:27 Skyscraper: set autorejoin Oct 26 13:48:32 =) Oct 26 13:48:34 for 0.00000.1s Oct 26 13:48:49 jacekowski: on the webirc? Oct 26 13:48:51 doubt it Oct 26 13:49:02 anyone knows where is the multimedia library located and how to access it? (photos, movies & music) Oct 26 13:49:23 javispedro: i return when i want to.. and... when i get banned, then i reconnect my internet and come back :p - and: what im doing now? not said anything again from my problem Oct 26 13:49:33 ah, a troll. Oct 26 13:49:40 and not a very clever one Oct 26 13:49:41 Skyscraper: then you will get banned again Oct 26 13:49:51 Skyscraper: it's simpler to ban you than it's for you to come back here Oct 26 13:49:53 Skyscraper: evading bans is against this network's policy Oct 26 13:49:56 jacekowski: then i will use another nickname... rofl Oct 26 13:50:10 Skyscraper: then another nickname will be banned Oct 26 13:50:14 Skyscraper: unless you stfu Oct 26 13:50:24 Skyscraper: but that was the target from the beggining Oct 26 13:50:26 so you lost Oct 26 13:50:26 jacekowski: theres no need to ban me because i do nothing Oct 26 13:50:34 Skyscraper: *!*@gateway/web/freenode/ip.80.228.* Oct 26 13:50:39 and you are toast Oct 26 13:50:43 sobczyk: eh? Oct 26 13:50:46 RST38h: proxys roxx :p Oct 26 13:51:06 Proxys can be banned as well, but if you would like to play this game, go ahead. Oct 26 13:51:16 * javispedro /ignore Oct 26 13:51:19 sobczyk: Photos are ~/MyDocs/DCIM or somethiing Oct 26 13:51:19 It is kinda pointless though as we all know the outcome Oct 26 13:51:20 timeless_mbp: the maemo5 library with media files used by the standard player, and photo viewer Oct 26 13:51:28 RST38h: Tor... many ips to ban :D Oct 26 13:51:37 is there some API for that? Oct 26 13:51:38 sobczyk: hrm, do you mean the tracker database? Oct 26 13:51:44 there's a tracker database Oct 26 13:51:50 you could probably talk to it i suppose Oct 26 13:52:09 maybe it's already spoken about here, but do you really need the Nokia Suite for the 1.3 update? Oct 26 13:52:13 Skyscraper: freenode masks all of the tor exit nodes into one conveniently bannable mask Oct 26 13:52:37 timeless_mbp: it's this one http://projects.gnome.org/tracker/ ? Oct 26 13:52:37 so a channel can ban all tor users at once if it wants, quite convenient Oct 26 13:52:40 aquatix: no Oct 26 13:52:41 be cool.. i dont want to get banned^^ Oct 26 13:52:48 Skyscraper: do you think it's smart to try and outsmart the chanops?=? Oct 26 13:52:55 aquatix: apt-get install works just as well Oct 26 13:52:57 RST38h: a regular on-device backup should suffice? Oct 26 13:53:04 aquatix: yes Oct 26 13:53:11 good stuff, thanks Oct 26 13:53:14 aquatix: do backup to the external sd card though Oct 26 13:53:20 heh, yeah Oct 26 13:53:23 good point Oct 26 13:53:33 aquatix: you can also reflash (aka do what nokia suite does) from GNU/Linux just fine Oct 26 13:53:46 reflash=lose all data Oct 26 13:53:57 rather do an upgrade Oct 26 13:53:58 All / data Oct 26 13:53:58 sorry i'm very frustrated... writing many sms a day and cant read anything now -.- Oct 26 13:54:03 * timeless_mbp kicks maemo.org for its totally crappy domain scheme Oct 26 13:54:10 it's my wife's phone Oct 26 13:54:17 we got it by now, Skyscraper Oct 26 13:54:19 timeless_mbp: it's working? Oct 26 13:54:27 I thought t.m.o was missing in action Oct 26 13:54:29 :-p Oct 26 13:54:35 hm, damn Oct 26 13:54:40 DocScrutinizer: so can anyone give me the bug id number so i can read there if theres a fix? Oct 26 13:54:50 * timeless_mbp also kicks tracker for their totally stupid globally ambiguous choice of a common English word as a project name Oct 26 13:54:55 i have removed all packages the upgrade manager complained about via "dpkg -r", but now it's still complaining... any hints? Oct 26 13:55:01 i mean, only Microsoft can get away with that Oct 26 13:55:11 DocScrutinizer: then i'll leave and you dont have to ban me ^^ Oct 26 13:55:19 timeless_mbp: theoretically, it was called "Metatracker" Oct 26 13:55:28 timeless_mbp: heheh Oct 26 13:56:05 timeless_mbp, well, now that a Microsoft exec is at the head position in Nokia, that means Nokia is allowed too now right? Oct 26 13:56:06 Skyscraper: we neither are interested in users leaving, as we like banning :-D and we don't like users to come here thinking they are entitled to get *anything* Oct 26 13:56:31 Termana: i'm told he was more of an Adobe or Macromedia guy Oct 26 13:56:33 * timeless_mbp shrugs Oct 26 13:56:36 it's not your problem, it's your attitude Oct 26 13:56:46 aslo chanops are trolls too ;) Oct 26 13:56:47 that gets everybody upset here Oct 26 13:56:49 we're already dying, so i don't see why he'd bother doing that Oct 26 13:57:35 Skyscraper: and no, I can't give you any big#, as the update is, like, 24h old Oct 26 13:57:44 bug#* Oct 26 13:57:45 sobczyk: it is that tracker. please don't ask me how you're supposed to find the proper docs for maemo Oct 26 13:57:58 there's an sdk page somewhere on maemo.org Oct 26 13:58:14 you could try to find it. i wish you the best of luck (you'll need it and more) Oct 26 13:58:21 I'm trying DBUS Oct 26 13:58:51 is there a fixed version of ussd widget? seems that modem api changed again so 1.2 version does not work anymore Oct 26 13:59:06 Arkenoi: boy are we impatient Oct 26 13:59:13 damn it, there should be an option in xchat to filter a channel to a new window reduced to a set of nicks Oct 26 13:59:26 DocScrutinizer: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456 it this one right? Oct 26 13:59:27 Bug 11456: History of every conversation (sms,im) are empty after update. Oct 26 13:59:34 timeless_mbp: tracker -> google Oct 26 14:00:17 hmmm Oct 26 14:00:25 i still have conversations history after update Oct 26 14:00:31 how the fuck should I know if that ticket descibes what you see on your device, Skyscraper ? Oct 26 14:00:50 Skyscraper: why don't ya reflash? Oct 26 14:00:58 DocScrutinizer: i see nothing in "detail" window of a conversation... sounds like that bug Oct 26 14:01:08 javispedro: dont want to reinstall all Oct 26 14:01:31 so, annoying and lazy Oct 26 14:01:52 either way Oct 26 14:02:09 don't reflash, just send your N900 to Finland, I'll guess that help eventually pinpoint the bug. Oct 26 14:02:20 MohammadAG: is that another flavour of your black-on-black bug? Oct 26 14:02:36 hey, if I am upgrading to PR 1.3 do I need to flash the MMC image as well? Oct 26 14:02:50 MohammadAG: #11456 Oct 26 14:03:49 t.m.o is really down :) Oct 26 14:04:00 and cheers Oct 26 14:04:04 o/ Oct 26 14:04:26 DocScrutinizer, fixed that, it was triggered by styleSheets Oct 26 14:04:32 alterego, gave me code for QPainter Oct 26 14:04:41 javispedro, ? Oct 26 14:05:20 it s funny to see Need For Speed running on a n900 Oct 26 14:05:26 Anyone else having troubles with QtPlugin? Oct 26 14:06:07 also any thoughts on this error: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mbarcode_0.2.3-4/armel.root.log.FAILED.txt Oct 26 14:06:11 lardman: it seems that anything that used plugins stopped working... Oct 26 14:06:22 fcrochik: ok, glad it's not just us Oct 26 14:06:41 :) ... my pyplugin still works :) Oct 26 14:06:43 lardman: the funny (sad) thing is that it includes the libqtm stuff too Oct 26 14:07:19 is this in the bugtracker yet, or is it a generic Qt 4.7 problem? Oct 26 14:07:33 Khertan: it is python using qt, right? Oct 26 14:08:08 lardman: I didn't look for it... just found out that two out of my two applications using libqtm stopped working :) Oct 26 14:08:15 ok Oct 26 14:08:17 Are you sure you're not mixing 4.6 plugins with 4.7? Oct 26 14:08:32 alterego: all built after updating sb Oct 26 14:08:38 Hmm Oct 26 14:08:52 alterego: shouldn't they be compatible? Oct 26 14:09:04 libqt4-opengl-dev (< 4.6.99) looks well suspect :P Oct 26 14:09:15 yeah we'll try chopping that Oct 26 14:09:25 but that builds on my home machine, and plugins don't work Oct 26 14:09:32 Khertan: re nfs on n900: yeah :) Oct 26 14:09:38 Well, not sure then :/ Oct 26 14:09:43 np thanks Oct 26 14:10:40 Hey guys. Is it normal, that applet apps stopped working after update? Oct 26 14:11:59 lardman: what was the idea you were working yesterday? the qrcode + vcard thing? I am playing with something similar and am curious... I am just trying to have a qrcode point to a url that will have a vcf file.... Oct 26 14:12:14 D-man, what are "applet apps"? Oct 26 14:12:16 fcrochik, yep :) Oct 26 14:12:46 javispedro, unfortunatly blade require libsdl_net which doesn't seems to be "emulated" yet Oct 26 14:12:48 um.. programs that show when you tap battery icon.. Oct 26 14:13:15 I don't know what's the proper way to call them. Oct 26 14:13:19 Khertan: it might not need to be emulated -- just apt-get install the native one Oct 26 14:13:40 Khertan: but I woulnd't play net games with this, reported device ID is "0000" which is easy to ban Oct 26 14:14:20 byebye have to go to work Oct 26 14:14:33 javispedro, device id can be change for the real one Oct 26 14:14:35 D-man, statusbar widgets? Oct 26 14:14:39 what exactly do you see? Oct 26 14:14:48 Khertan: yeah, next version will have some unique hash Oct 26 14:15:09 I guess.. well.. nothing.. like they're not installed at all.. Oct 26 14:15:34 javispedro, it s from you ? (can't verify as t.m.o is down) Oct 26 14:15:44 Khertan: yep, preenv is mine Oct 26 14:15:50 Flashlight and easy brightness app to be specific.. Oct 26 14:16:32 javispedro, i ve got the same idea when they announce native sdl Oct 26 14:16:49 fcrochik: sorry for the slow reply Oct 26 14:16:51 javispedro, but never do it as i didn't know sdl :) Oct 26 14:16:57 javispedro, thx ! Oct 26 14:17:08 javispedro, really nice idea Oct 26 14:17:12 fcrochik: yeah you can encode vCards, MECARDs, etc in a QR code barcode, so I want to be able to import that Oct 26 14:17:32 jacekowski, ouch not all game are using sl Oct 26 14:17:33 sdl Oct 26 14:17:34 :) Oct 26 14:18:05 yeah, lots of mojo games (chess, etc.) Oct 26 14:18:06 fcrochik: mBarcode can already handle the case you're talking about, it will open the browser and download the file and it will be opened by the mime handler Oct 26 14:19:03 anyone know if n900 expects certain kind of partitioning from sd card? I've got meego image taking first 2 partitions and then rest as fat32 but n900 doesn't seem to like that Oct 26 14:19:26 javispedro, any idea of what is libpdl ? Oct 26 14:19:35 jarkkom: I'm guessing it expects p1 to be fat32 Oct 26 14:19:39 jarkkom: first partition has to be fat32, then it will be mounted Oct 26 14:19:42 :) Oct 26 14:20:02 Khertan: yes, closed source. I'm reimplementing it, most functions already made it. Oct 26 14:20:17 jarkkom, first partition must be fat32 Oct 26 14:20:31 let's say it's an equivalent to maemo's libosso, liblocation, libplayback in one single library Oct 26 14:21:36 urgh Oct 26 14:21:57 and they say we are unhelpful! Oct 26 14:22:16 lardman: I tried mbarcode but it seems that the plugins stopped working after pr1.3.... do you know how much information you can encode on a qr code? would be even nicer if we could encode the actual "vcs" file... :) Oct 26 14:22:40 javispedro, blades seems working :) Oct 26 14:23:21 ok, I think I might be better off just buying cheapo 4GB sd card for meego/nitdroid testing Oct 26 14:23:44 fcrochik: In theory about 3K, but in practice much less, given the resolution of the camera and quality of the optics. Oct 26 14:24:19 fcrochik: yeah plugins have stopped working Oct 26 14:24:49 fcrochik: how large a vcs file are you thinking? Oct 26 14:25:02 also, vcs is not iirc handled by the mime handler Oct 26 14:25:21 I thought you were talking about vcf, my apologies Oct 26 14:25:52 lardman: I didn't know you were the "mbarcode" parent... have to say: great job! the new interface looks great! Oct 26 14:26:10 lardman: Oct 26 14:26:18 That's dragly's doing actually, I don't know any opengl Oct 26 14:26:34 lardman: sorry I was actually talking about vcf.... it is just that vcs would be next :) Oct 26 14:26:43 ah sure Oct 26 14:26:49 Khertan: :) I only have two pre games to test with Oct 26 14:26:52 lardman: I thought about a small "business card" basic information ... Oct 26 14:26:55 I'd also like to parse and add vcs files Oct 26 14:27:15 but yeah, mBarcode should (once the plugins are working again) be able to hand those sorts of things Oct 26 14:27:24 s/hand/handle Oct 26 14:27:24 javispedro, this is why i inform you that it seems to works :) Oct 26 14:27:55 javispedro, nice jobs with a such limited test Oct 26 14:28:14 lardman: it would be great to not have to depend on internet connection for this... that is why I thought about encoding the contents and not the url... of course I don't know if any application would support it Oct 26 14:28:23 Khertan: one thing I will do is request test cases, also the emphasize that preenv can be used to port games Oct 26 14:28:37 fcrochik: mBarcode will, assuming the barcode is small enough Oct 26 14:28:41 it's not an emulator, just a set of libraries, so you can link with them and release your game to ovi store, tc. Oct 26 14:28:50 I will add vcs parsing Oct 26 14:28:57 vcf already works as I mentioned Oct 26 14:29:26 either as an encoded url or just the raw vcard in the barcode Oct 26 14:29:36 ah, dragly, speak of the devil ;) Oct 26 14:29:44 lardman: that is great! do you know if this is something that other applications that handle qr will understand too? I thought about adding it to my business card Oct 26 14:30:01 yeah most apps will handle encoded vcard Oct 26 14:30:22 hi lardman! Oct 26 14:30:51 trying to update the packages now to see if the dep change helped Oct 26 14:30:54 lardman: how do you generate qr codes? I found this http://qrcode.kaywa.com/ Oct 26 14:31:44 has anyone come up with a way to display text/html parts referencing attached images? Oct 26 14:31:47 there's also one here, which works, if I recall correctly: http://www.mobile-barcodes.com/qr-code-generator/ Oct 26 14:32:08 javispedro, except that ovistore require no external depandancies :) Oct 26 14:32:18 sorry, ECHAN Oct 26 14:32:20 Khertan: *sigh* Oct 26 14:32:21 This will be interesting, not used QtDBus before .. Oct 26 14:32:45 javispedro, this is why you will not see python apps, game in it :) Oct 26 14:33:38 dragly: cool! thanks! Oct 26 14:33:41 can anyone give me a `dpkg --get-selections` on pastebin from a PR1.3 device ? Oct 26 14:33:51 Khertan: stupid, stupid, stupid. as usual. Oct 26 14:34:03 javispedro, nokia style Oct 26 14:34:20 this is why every developpers say that ovistore sucks Oct 26 14:34:26 which is a clone of the apple style Oct 26 14:34:44 hmmm in fact just one of the reasons :) Oct 26 14:34:51 there is more Oct 26 14:34:52 :) Oct 26 14:34:59 s/is/are Oct 26 14:35:02 plenty more Oct 26 14:35:02 hmmm, too bad thedailyshow.com needs flash10 Oct 26 14:36:53 does someone need to insert a quarter into talk.maemo.org? Oct 26 14:37:04 lardman: The repackaging of the mbarcode packages worked! :) Oct 26 14:37:15 pwetty pweathe ? `dpkg --get-selections` on pastebin from PR1.3 ? Oct 26 14:37:22 that is, we have the webrequest plugin up and running again for mbarcode Oct 26 14:38:20 seems like the upgrade to Qt4.7 only created a binary incompatibility with the old builds. I'll repackage the rest of the plugins now :) Oct 26 14:40:51 dreamer: do they use any of the features in flash10 or just been idiots and "require" the version while just using old features? if the later, install "Tweak Flash plugin" Oct 26 14:41:39 dragly: webrequest working nice here! :) can't wait for the others... Oct 26 14:41:49 TriztFromWork: well, when I go to the pageit says I need flash, so I guess some requirement Oct 26 14:42:29 dreamer: you used "tweak flash plugin" and changed that your flash will identify itself as version10? Oct 26 14:42:48 oh, nope Oct 26 14:42:58 is that in the repos? Oct 26 14:43:07 it's in the extra I think Oct 26 14:43:15 ok Oct 26 14:43:40 Is the anyway to extract the data from an n900 backup to a readable format? I lost my phone the other weekend and still waiting for the replacement. Oct 26 14:44:00 MAinly just the numbers I'm after for now Oct 26 14:44:20 I see what look like a table of numbers with a primary index on, not the name Oct 26 14:44:22 TriztFromWork: it says pr1.2 only, I have pr1.3 now Oct 26 14:45:02 well, can anyone send me the output of 'dpkg --get-selections' on pastebin running PR1.3 or not ? :D pwease! it's easy! Oct 26 14:45:18 dreamer: I have it installed on my pr1.3 (updated today), but I did do install while it still was 1.2 Oct 26 14:45:19 SWFu: backup iirc is set of archives Oct 26 14:45:48 dreamer: seems it won't work on 1.3 Oct 26 14:45:56 TriztFromWork: hmm, I'll check, maybe it's still a comment from when pr1.2 just came out Oct 26 14:46:03 TriztFromWork: ok, not? Oct 26 14:46:03 Yeah I just wondered if theresany tools to get the data back out, I'm looking at a list of vcards now. Oct 26 14:46:27 Maybe I'll just have to knock something together with Python to extract the namesand numbers Oct 26 14:46:28 jacktheripper: still? Oct 26 14:46:36 dreamer; it modifies the flash plugin file and the flash plugin file in 1.3 isn't the same as in 1.2 Oct 26 14:46:44 chem|st, lost phone and messaging functionality XD Oct 26 14:46:55 TriztFromWork: can you use the player on dailyshow? Oct 26 14:47:00 fcrochik, dragly: sorry, had to talk to someone Oct 26 14:47:08 dragly: do plugins work now? Oct 26 14:47:19 chem|st, so I'm just try to get a list to diff with mine and install whatever's missing. Oct 26 14:47:27 s/try/trying/ Oct 26 14:47:28 jacktheripper meant: chem|st, so I'm just trying to get a list to diff with mine and install whatever's missing. Oct 26 14:48:07 dreamer; sorry, the old plugin I had has been replaced, so I'm having the same trouble as you do, have to wait for an upgrade of "tewak flash plugin version" Oct 26 14:48:19 ah, ok Oct 26 14:48:40 wasn't there a hack how to use the flashplugin from android? Oct 26 14:48:40 probably just a recompile with the new headers or something? Oct 26 14:48:46 fcrochik: I posted another link in the TMO mBarcode thread recently, this one generates vCards, MECARDs, etc Oct 26 14:48:51 jacktheripper: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24016 Oct 26 14:48:51 * dreamer afk Oct 26 14:49:15 chem|st, thanks a bunch, mate :) Oct 26 14:49:47 chem|st, it's incomplete actually :( could you output to a file and pastebin that ? Oct 26 14:49:53 lardman: the webrequest plugin works... I tried a vcard qr but mbarcode could not scan it when printed on a 1 x 1in area....on a larger area it worked...does it make sense? Oct 26 14:50:31 yeah, if the res is not high enough to resolve the individual blobs Oct 26 14:51:23 lardman: It seems that the issue is more with the focus (camera) then anything else... because I made both fit the entire are on the phone... Oct 26 14:51:30 lardman: Yep. At least the webrequest does. Oct 26 14:51:47 Did you push a new version of QR Code at any time? I can't see any updates in the changelog. Oct 26 14:51:52 Or was it only to SVN? Oct 26 14:52:23 only to SVN Oct 26 14:52:40 and nothing major - the mecard stuff isn't working yet Oct 26 14:53:07 chem|st, http://pastebin.ca/ supports file upload Oct 26 14:53:19 my application manager is still complaining about missing "libtelephaty-qt4-0", libtpsession, libgq-gconf0, though i HAVE uninstalled them via dpkg -r .... any hints? Oct 26 14:53:26 this is about upgrading to PR1.3 of course Oct 26 14:53:46 ok :) what plugins needs repackaging btw? isbn, qrcode, wifi, ii and webrequest that I know of. What about ExternalDBus, PythonQt and itemdb? Are they ready to be pushed? Oct 26 14:54:48 jacktheripper: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24017 Oct 26 14:54:52 itemdb can be removed from the repo, I'm re-writing that as a stand-alone to use ExternalDBus Oct 26 14:55:05 ah, ok Oct 26 14:55:05 ExternalDBus and PythonQt need debugging Oct 26 14:55:25 which is where I stopped at lunch time with the plugins not working Oct 26 14:55:31 lardman: so no packaging for those then. Oct 26 14:55:37 no thanks Oct 26 14:55:48 gentleman, do you think sha256()ing the IMEI would be good as a unique device ID (potentially sent to third-parties?) Oct 26 14:55:49 (they build, but just don't do anything yet) Oct 26 14:55:59 Wow, now that is sweet. Oct 26 14:56:15 javispedro: not really Oct 26 14:56:26 javispedro: well, depends what do you need it for Oct 26 14:56:40 lardman: should itemdb be removed from svn too? Oct 26 14:56:50 javispedro: imei has limited number of combinations Oct 26 14:56:55 jacekowski: distinguish one device from another one, while also not giving the third party my imei number Oct 26 14:56:55 javispedro: on specific positions Oct 26 14:57:08 jacekowski: I'm worried they could just create a rainbow table and deduce imei from hash Oct 26 14:57:13 not giving third party imei number is not going to happen Oct 26 14:57:42 So preenv is actually available in extras-devel Oct 26 14:57:52 javispedro: The imei range is pretty limited. Oct 26 14:57:56 * alterego gets a game off of his girls' phone Oct 26 14:58:07 (I bought it I might as well try and play it) ^.^ Oct 26 14:58:07 everyone likes rainbows! Oct 26 14:58:22 javispedro: i would just crack it for fun Oct 26 14:58:27 javispedro: combination of imei + mac ? Oct 26 14:58:41 jacekowski: I'd guess. What strategy? Oct 26 14:58:54 bruteforce probably Oct 26 14:58:58 All right, all plugins pushed to extras-devel in one batch now. I wonder how the autobuilder feels about getting all at once... Oct 26 14:59:01 aka tables Oct 26 14:59:22 it's only 14 digits Oct 26 14:59:35 but then you have limits on things like country code Oct 26 14:59:37 X-Fade: sounds reasonable, and adds more input size Oct 26 14:59:50 manufacturer code Oct 26 15:00:07 model number Oct 26 15:00:24 alterego, 'your girl' has a palm pre? Oct 26 15:00:25 wtf? you want to know my IMEI. can post a hunderd to pastebin Oct 26 15:00:27 so you limit search range a lot Oct 26 15:01:19 then you have check digit Oct 26 15:01:25 anyone tried android on n900? Oct 26 15:01:43 sobczyk: lot of people Oct 26 15:02:00 jacekowski: by "check digit" any secondary simpler hash (crc, check digit)? Oct 26 15:02:07 *you mean any secondary.. Oct 26 15:02:14 javispedro, why? Oct 26 15:02:24 what do you need a UID for Oct 26 15:02:24 is it heavily modifying the phone? or how easy to reverse Oct 26 15:02:30 javispedro: i mean that one of digits in imei is a check digit Oct 26 15:02:40 jacekowski: ah Oct 26 15:03:06 lcuk: implementing a GetUniqueID function. I got a patch that just returns IMEI which I'm not sure about. Oct 26 15:03:13 lcuk: for preenv. Oct 26 15:03:53 how does it work on palm? Oct 26 15:03:59 so this GetUniqueID() api method is used by certain pre games for whatever they need? Oct 26 15:04:19 jacekowski: closed source. it returns a 64-byte base64 string (which sounds like a 20-something-byte hash) Oct 26 15:05:08 lcuk: yeah, I'd guess to be sent over a network. Oct 26 15:05:43 i would just create some one time programmable random value in cal Oct 26 15:05:44 and use it Oct 26 15:05:47 then return base64("4") Oct 26 15:06:00 lcuk: 42!!! Oct 26 15:06:10 lcuk: I currently return "0000" =) Oct 26 15:06:21 http://xkcd.com/221/ Oct 26 15:07:06 heh Oct 26 15:08:03 i bet something like base64(md5(imei)) would be reasonable Oct 26 15:08:12 as you suggested already Oct 26 15:08:31 Nah, that can pinpoint your imei exactly. Oct 26 15:08:45 yeah, just search the space and generate hashes.. Oct 26 15:08:46 Only needs a 1M rainbow table, which is really small. Oct 26 15:08:54 agreed... Oct 26 15:09:13 using non standard hash function would make it harder Oct 26 15:09:16 anyone had sms's bug - when not all sms's displayed in history of conversation box Oct 26 15:09:19 need help with it Oct 26 15:09:25 ZogG: known bug Oct 26 15:09:26 Just add mac addresses. Oct 26 15:09:29 ZogG: not fixed yet Oct 26 15:09:34 how does the pre game server know that its coming from an n900 Oct 26 15:09:38 and why would it matter Oct 26 15:09:43 X-Fade hey Oct 26 15:09:55 X-Fade, Stskeeps here? Oct 26 15:09:57 X-Fade: mac adress is only 3 bytes long ( i mean significant bytes ) Oct 26 15:10:11 thats enough for salt Oct 26 15:10:12 lcuk: it currently knows because ID is "0000", and it will in the future also know when id is just "4" or "42" Oct 26 15:10:15 first 3 bytes are manufacturer specific Oct 26 15:10:36 if you do it like that i WILL make public service to crack imei and mac adresses Oct 26 15:10:49 javispedro: use random number Oct 26 15:10:54 javispedro: stored in file/cal Oct 26 15:11:01 javispedro, what I mean is - if imei is good enough to pass to nokia, why isn't it good enough hashed up to be passed elsewhere Oct 26 15:11:02 jacekowski: you will crack 1M * 2^18 ? Oct 26 15:11:26 javispedro: yes Oct 26 15:11:42 dragly: yes itemdb can be removed Oct 26 15:11:47 javispedro: it's not that much Oct 26 15:12:00 2^18==262k Oct 26 15:12:15 I guess I am underrating current computing power :) Oct 26 15:12:19 * lardman changes status as people keep coming into the office to ask him questions Oct 26 15:13:18 Uh, seems my system has some cruft on / and even debfoster depends on something noninstallable Oct 26 15:13:29 Termana: yeah, Oct 26 15:13:49 with imei you have like 6 significant digits ( rest is manufacturer specific, model specific stuff ) Oct 26 15:13:55 dragly: did you see fcrochik's comment about not being able to scan a 1 inch square QR code on a business card? Oct 26 15:13:57 as the result, no OTA upgrade for me. :( Oct 26 15:14:15 jacekowski: I guess I will go the imei+rand() number route, but ignore the cal part for now Oct 26 15:14:54 so that's 10^6*2^18+little bit more for some stuff in imei that's not exactly known but it's in very limited range Oct 26 15:15:33 and that's including MAC Oct 26 15:15:55 it could be cracked on n900 in minutes Oct 26 15:16:02 javispedro, is it used by games for things like high scores and stuff? Oct 26 15:16:13 jacekowski: I thought there was just manu specific, the model stuff is implied by a manufacturers database. Oct 26 15:16:16 lcuk: not sure. Oct 26 15:16:19 But I'm not sure tbh :) Oct 26 15:16:30 jacekowski, I can crack my own IMEI on my n900 in seconds! *#06# Oct 26 15:17:11 lardman|busy: yep, but I don't know what might cause it. I know small qr codes are a bit hard to read out, but I'll try myself. Oct 26 15:17:15 * javispedro finds that, while reimplementing libPDL, he's creating a library that can be useful to nearly every Maemo commercial app developers Oct 26 15:17:22 lardman|busy: 1 inch isn't that small after all Oct 26 15:17:30 dragly: quite Oct 26 15:17:37 depends how much info was encoded though Oct 26 15:17:39 it's getting functions like, GetDeviceUserName(), getUniqueID() that so far on Maemo you have to link with god-knows libraries and call god-knows dbus functions Oct 26 15:17:48 alterego: yeah, but you know that it's either palm or nokia Oct 26 15:17:51 that's true Oct 26 15:18:15 sure Oct 26 15:18:19 am just updating, but what about this one: http://www.civillibrarian.com/2009/09/digital-business-card.html Oct 26 15:18:56 libSDL_cinema.so not found :( Oct 26 15:18:59 (basically something like qt-mobility...) Oct 26 15:19:14 Oh ,I'm and idiot :D Oct 26 15:19:18 alterego: you are not doing it well Oct 26 15:19:50 hmm, well HAM is no faster in pr1.3 anyway Oct 26 15:20:31 hello all Oct 26 15:21:46 well it seems Pr 1.3 OTA update killed my n900 Oct 26 15:21:52 hmm Oct 26 15:22:12 I cannot get it to boot at all Oct 26 15:22:17 is it me or did battery life improve with PR1.3? Oct 26 15:22:22 Wow, that is cool Oct 26 15:22:23 infobot, tell Thunderfest about flashing Oct 26 15:22:31 Just played need for speed :D Oct 26 15:22:36 I know how to flash Oct 26 15:22:49 Thunderfest, sounds like you'll need it then Oct 26 15:22:54 i'm still at about 4/5, normally it's way down 1/2 by now Oct 26 15:23:01 it, being - to flash Oct 26 15:23:16 yeah I know but I cannot get it to connect over usb Oct 26 15:23:18 maybeArgh, how did you update? Oct 26 15:23:27 holding u while boot makes no difference Oct 26 15:23:29 OTA Oct 26 15:23:33 OTA Oct 26 15:23:37 too lazy for a complete reflash Oct 26 15:24:17 Thunderfest, you're holding U while plugging the cord in? Oct 26 15:24:26 yes Oct 26 15:24:47 * lardman|busy prays that Meego has an installation method more akin to the bg stuff done on Android Oct 26 15:25:22 lcuk: (unique-id) at least it is used as a way to distinguish devices on a local network for a multiplayer game (as per the "bug report" I got) Oct 26 15:25:37 I have reflashed many times before..own an n800 and n810 and am generally well versed and ontop of nokia tables Oct 26 15:25:38 Thunderfest: I suppose this might be a silly question, but still: You've tried to charge it for at least 10 min before connecting? That is, with the regular charger. Oct 26 15:25:45 but with the recent stats about "nearly every iPhone application sending imei out to the WWW in plain text" =) Oct 26 15:25:51 yes I charges it overnight Oct 26 15:26:39 And you've picked out the battery and placed it again? (I've experienced a couple of times that the device wasn't responding at all before I replaced the battery) Oct 26 15:26:42 So, yesterday PR1.3 today preenv, wow :D Oct 26 15:26:51 MeeGo release on Thursday ^.^ Oct 26 15:26:54 tomorrow androidenv Oct 26 15:27:00 pfft Oct 26 15:27:00 yes I have reseated the battery many times over Oct 26 15:27:01 or iphoneenv Oct 26 15:27:02 and next iphoneenv Oct 26 15:27:07 Thunderfest: still this symptom indicates low battery Oct 26 15:27:09 after the upgrade it went back to stock kernel instead of the power kernel I used to have, I wonder if I tried the power Oct 26 15:27:12 save settings too much, because phone feels much quicker. What are you all running, stock kernel or the power one? Oct 26 15:27:35 i run power but with default settings Oct 26 15:27:42 i mean default frequency stuff Oct 26 15:28:45 nobody needs power (unless he needs it) Oct 26 15:28:59 lardman|busy: all mbarcode plugins uploaded and built now. I'll test to see if they're all working as well. Oct 26 15:29:23 it starts to boot and I do see the nokia logo with no backlight but after about 1 second it restarts and shows the nokia logo for a few more seconds then seems to power off and display a solid yellow light Oct 26 15:29:57 low bat Oct 26 15:30:06 DocScrutinizer51: wifi AP Oct 26 15:30:19 Thunderfest: Is the yellow light from the LED? Oct 26 15:30:31 dragly: reckon that broken dep was pulling in Qt 4.6? They seem to be working now Oct 26 15:30:35 mhm, what a big update for maemo, 85mb, scary :) Oct 26 15:30:35 jacekowski: yep you qualify for 'need it' Oct 26 15:31:22 yes from the LED Oct 26 15:31:33 Thunderfest: you're in a pinch unless you manage to completely charge your bat Oct 26 15:31:37 dragly: That QR code business card I linked to works fine, I'll have to ask fcrochik what he was trying to look at Oct 26 15:31:46 lardman|busy: Something like that. At least the libqt4-opengl-dev was unecessary. I dunno if a local build in SB would work now or wether the packages in autobuilder are newer? Oct 26 15:32:02 I'll test when I get home Oct 26 15:32:14 but they should be the same.... Oct 26 15:32:29 other than that, the QR plugin needed a dep update with regards to libqtm-dev Oct 26 15:32:50 yeah, I thought so too, but then its strange that you managed to build at all Oct 26 15:33:05 unless your libqt-opengl-dev still remained, but created some conflict. Oct 26 15:33:12 Dunno really, just glad i works now :) Oct 26 15:33:24 same here, thanks for sorting that out Oct 26 15:33:31 I had it pluged in charging all night last night..but it was a non-nokia made microusb charger...you don't think the nokia branded charger does anything different do you? Oct 26 15:33:39 Updating is slow as always, though... Still waiting for my device to get through the packages. Oct 26 15:34:28 yeah, mine took a few minutes Oct 26 15:34:32 Thunderfest: Worst case it might have delivered less power than needed. The symptoms are as DocScrutinizer51 says, very much like the ones of low battery. Oct 26 15:34:42 and nearly killed a phone call that I received half way through Oct 26 15:34:52 Thunderfest: You don't happen to have a charger nearby though? Oct 26 15:35:13 Yeah I just went and got my nokia charger Oct 26 15:35:15 I'm beginning to think that if HAM is running the phone should just go offline to save the pain of trying to use it at the same time Oct 26 15:35:22 lardman|busy: That's always fun! Phonecalls during software updates yield the most interesting results. Oct 26 15:35:30 :) Oct 26 15:35:38 Thunderfest: usual chargers often don't have the D+- short Oct 26 15:35:46 stabbing touchscreen as the laggy rotation happens, etc. Oct 26 15:36:18 see my wife has a blackberry that also uses microusb and she pick up my charger a few weeks ago and we had not yet till just now switched back Oct 26 15:36:21 Thunderfest: so they make N900 "charge" @ 100mA Oct 26 15:37:09 lardman|busy: Yep. Although, I'm very glad to see that the voice sending and recieving is routed around the CPU to avoid problems there. I guess that's on a completely different chip. Oct 26 15:37:14 odds are it actually DIScharges while plugged to such charger Oct 26 15:37:19 my charger failed Oct 26 15:37:25 not working at all now Oct 26 15:37:38 dragly: yes there's a separate gms chip Oct 26 15:37:40 jacekowski: one of mine did as well Oct 26 15:37:46 s/gms/gsm Oct 26 15:37:54 ZogG: known bug // what you mean known? just reported yesterday and it's unconfirmed by maemo dev =( Oct 26 15:38:13 ZogG: we had couple other people here with this problem Oct 26 15:38:18 ZogG: today Oct 26 15:38:20 well the other charger worked fine and did recharge my device quite well for multiple weeks but I guess I should not of tried to update using it Oct 26 15:38:27 Stskeeps lcuk you are on hildon development as well - right? Oct 26 15:38:37 not really Oct 26 15:39:05 jacekowski so why the F they are not reporting, it's hard to report alone things like that, do you know who is it - so they help me with it? Oct 26 15:39:07 ZogG, whats the bug# Oct 26 15:39:20 I have it plugged into the nokia wall charger now but it still seems to be stuck in the same reboot loop Oct 26 15:39:42 ZogG: it's reported once Oct 26 15:39:45 no flashing LED as if it were charging Oct 26 15:39:48 Thunderfest: Try leaving it there for about 10-20 mins, then try to reflash again. Oct 26 15:39:53 Interesting, I bzip'd a tar file and it came out bigger Oct 26 15:39:54 ZogG: reporting it multiple times is not going to help Oct 26 15:40:10 any gpg geeks? :P Oct 26 15:40:17 Thunderfest: told you you're in a pinch Oct 26 15:40:28 alterego, in soviet russia... Oct 26 15:40:29 MohammadAG: i have gpg keys Oct 26 15:40:45 jacekowski, how do I get the key fingerprint from a public key Oct 26 15:40:52 who is on hildon development? i thought to maintain hildon as separete package to extra-dev Oct 26 15:40:53 I had a reboot loop some time back (after knowledgeless hacking) and it took some attempts to get it speaking with the USB again. Oct 26 15:41:08 extras-devel can't hold new packages for hildon Oct 26 15:41:08 jacekowski i reported it, noone excep me is there Oct 26 15:41:11 DocScrutinizer: what if I just bought a replacement battery, it should ship with enough charge to reflash right? Oct 26 15:41:13 Thunderfest: the recommendation to completely charge battery prior to flashing is no joke Oct 26 15:41:15 or any system packages Oct 26 15:41:25 Thunderfest: usually yes Oct 26 15:41:25 jacekowski reported it straight after update Oct 26 15:41:31 an SSU can, which is why I've been working on it atm Oct 26 15:41:34 MohammadAG why not? Oct 26 15:41:35 ZogG, forget logistics of things, whats the bug number Oct 26 15:41:46 ZogG, mp-fremantle-generic-pr Oct 26 15:42:00 11450 Oct 26 15:42:05 bug 11450 Oct 26 15:42:06 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's Oct 26 15:42:13 MohammadAG: gpg --fingerprint ID Oct 26 15:42:18 MohammadAG so? can it replace only part? Oct 26 15:42:26 damn timeouts!! =( Oct 26 15:42:27 MohammadAG: gpg --fingerprint Oct 26 15:42:30 ZogG, an SSU can, stay tuned Oct 26 15:42:37 jacekowski, dragly it's not a local key Oct 26 15:42:40 * Arkenoi wonders why all "vertical" virtual keyboards are "phone"/t9 alikes. I never used "phone" keyboard for text entry and i find it extremely uncomfortable. Oct 26 15:42:45 MohammadAG: download it from server Oct 26 15:42:57 ZogG, thats not hildon-* anyway Oct 26 15:43:06 MohammadAG i would like to help, but mostly i can be like monkey - make something once explained to me with no knolegde =) Oct 26 15:43:12 knowledge * Oct 26 15:43:28 MohammadAG: gpg --recv-keys 9CF9F54A Oct 26 15:43:38 jacekowski:~# gpg --fingerprint Oct 26 15:43:45 pub 2048R/9CF9F54A 2010-07-16 Key fingerprint = 30A0 19DB 8E1B 12D2 30EE 9990 62E8 50E6 9CF9 F54A Oct 26 15:43:50 bbl Oct 26 15:43:54 Javispedro, ping? :) Oct 26 15:44:01 MohammadAG btw matan's one should be forked Oct 26 15:44:01 i mean it shouldn't be hildo anymore Oct 26 15:44:01 holdon* as he added things Oct 26 15:44:05 Hello all Oct 26 15:44:16 ZogG: look Oct 26 15:44:20 ZogG: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9866 Oct 26 15:44:21 Bug 9866: Revised display does not show most recent IM / SMS text Oct 26 15:44:33 * lardman|busy does like the way pr1.3 doesn't bother to show the phone ui after a call finishes and just locks itself Oct 26 15:44:35 conversations was epic on 1.0 Oct 26 15:44:42 wazd: pong Oct 26 15:45:12 jacekowski what is the number of bug reported - they should be marked as duplicated Oct 26 15:45:23 yeah, somebody has to do it by hand Oct 26 15:46:09 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11456 Oct 26 15:46:10 Bug 11456: History of every conversation (SMS, IM) empty after update to PR1.3 Oct 26 15:46:13 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 Oct 26 15:46:14 Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's Oct 26 15:47:54 i had a conversations crash yesterday... but not sure what i did :p Oct 26 15:52:32 Javispedro, I knew you're the man, but you're a goddamn MAN man :D Oct 26 15:54:20 wazd: thanks :P Oct 26 15:54:21 jacekowski those 3 different bugs Oct 26 15:54:22 quite strange, i had no porblems with history, though i did backup/restore, maybe it does matter? Oct 26 15:54:33 I hope pr1.3 has fixred my "stop playing music after 2 minutes" bug :) Oct 26 15:55:12 Javispedro: now I need to figure out where to get some Pre stuff in Russia :) Oct 26 15:56:29 Oops Oct 26 15:56:49 besides tweak flash, any other apps not compatible with 1.3 yet? Oct 26 15:56:57 btw, is the current release really rated as pr1.3? Oct 26 15:56:59 MyContacts Oct 26 15:58:20 wazd, https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10536 ? Oct 26 15:58:21 Bug 10536: Media Player starts to play music with no user intervention Oct 26 15:59:46 I just called a local battery store and he claims to have a machine that can recharge my battery he also has some replacements batteries in stock that he can sell me fully charged Oct 26 15:59:58 Andre, no, actually I have exactly the opposite problem :) Oct 26 16:00:41 geez Oct 26 16:00:48 Andre: media player stops playing the song exactly after 120 seconds Oct 26 16:01:38 Andre: not every song though Oct 26 16:01:53 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 16:01:53 it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 16:02:04 Thunderfest: do you have any other Nokia handsets or internet tablets? Oct 26 16:02:09 ~flashing Oct 26 16:02:09 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 26 16:02:53 Andre: after 2 months of experiments I've figured out that it usually does that with "fresh" songs i.e. Songs that haven't been played after reboot Oct 26 16:03:45 alterego, here at the moment I just have an n800 Oct 26 16:04:26 Thunderfest: and you're looking for replacements of the N800? Oct 26 16:05:01 s/of/for/ Oct 26 16:05:01 alterego meant: Thunderfest: and you're looking for replacements for the N800? Oct 26 16:05:37 no no I updated my n900 to PR 1.3 OTA last night and it failed now my n900 is stuck in a reboot loop and I cannot reflash Oct 26 16:06:14 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11450 // that's mine Oct 26 16:06:15 Bug 11450: The SMS log in conversations doesn't display last sms's Oct 26 16:06:15 Thunderfest: if you can physically put the N900 battery in the N800 with all three contacts connecting in the N800 (you can in the N810) you can charge the battery in the N800 Oct 26 16:06:33 You might need to bad the battery in with something to keep the contacts connected. Oct 26 16:06:38 ~pad Oct 26 16:07:19 actualy I have an n810 here..your telling me I can use it to charge my n900 battery? Oct 26 16:07:46 Thunderfest: yup :) Oct 26 16:08:44 Orly Oct 26 16:09:04 That's sorta cool :) Oct 26 16:09:26 A friend of mine was doing it when his loaner usb fell out Oct 26 16:09:36 hrm connectors look right voltage is the same...looks like I will have to hold it in place though Oct 26 16:09:59 isn't it the same battery one of the E7x phone has Oct 26 16:10:21 And the 5800 Oct 26 16:10:28 E7x has n800 battery Oct 26 16:10:36 aw. Oct 26 16:10:39 Not n900 Oct 26 16:11:01 I think it is pry a fairly common battery since my local battery shop has some in stock but no one around here sells n900s Oct 26 16:12:27 now if only I could find the n810 charger! Oct 26 16:12:34 * MohammadAG charges his N900 battery in an N95 Oct 26 16:12:46 or a 5800 Oct 26 16:12:52 or an E66 :P Oct 26 16:12:58 why maemo update requires pc suite? Oct 26 16:13:29 sobczyk, what is the exact string? often happens when you have 3rd party apps installed that block an over-the-air update Oct 26 16:13:45 * Myrtti stares at her N95 with a murderous look Oct 26 16:13:45 sobczyk: you get that message when you have some packages installed that conflict with the update Oct 26 16:13:56 her? Oct 26 16:14:04 MohammadAG: _o/ Oct 26 16:14:05 hello Oct 26 16:14:07 question: is it possible to change the default application to open certain file types. E.g. I want to open *.jpg files with the default browser instead of the standard image viewer... Oct 26 16:14:16 system: maemo 5 on N900 Oct 26 16:14:17 that's not something you see everyday :P Oct 26 16:14:19 and hi Oct 26 16:14:35 MohammadAG: have you been living in a cave for the past years? Oct 26 16:14:43 it's hardly a secret :-D Oct 26 16:14:43 To update to the newest operating system, you have to use Nokia pc suite , available on PC. Connect device to pc and run the app - free translation Oct 26 16:14:58 WTF Oct 26 16:15:10 my N900 called someone from my contact list when I opened contacts Oct 26 16:15:13 Myrtti, no, closet Oct 26 16:15:30 that'd explain it Oct 26 16:15:34 :P Oct 26 16:15:38 Thunderfest: is there a way to check what is causing the problem? Oct 26 16:15:52 better wifi/3G reception in a closet than a cave, I imagine Oct 26 16:16:11 are the maemo forums down for everyone for a majority of every day or just for me? Oct 26 16:16:24 quick question: if I have an OC'd powerkernel, do I need to uninstall it before flashing to pr1.3? Oct 26 16:16:25 yes Oct 26 16:16:30 er, sorry Oct 26 16:16:32 air: yes Oct 26 16:16:45 ~isitdown is http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Oct 26 16:16:46 MohammadAG: okay Oct 26 16:16:46 MohammadAG are you nokia fanboy? so many phones Oct 26 16:17:01 ZogG, no, I was going to leave Nokia after the N97 Oct 26 16:17:04 then the N900 came Oct 26 16:17:08 sobczyk: tap the details button and it will list the conflicting packages on one of the tabs Oct 26 16:17:10 MohammadAG i used sonyerricson =) Oct 26 16:17:24 oh god erricon's are terrible Oct 26 16:17:28 MohammadAG: nice site, thanks Oct 26 16:17:43 Thunderfest: there is no details, next to message about pc suite there's only "backup" button Oct 26 16:17:53 my dad has the E66, 58000 is a relative's, N86 is my mom's and the N95 is what I had and will never sell Oct 26 16:17:58 if they didn't have sony on their phones they would have gotten bankrupt Oct 26 16:18:09 (again) Oct 26 16:18:23 MohammadAG, my n900 has called some random, but existing number being locked in my pocket one day Oct 26 16:18:35 Hmm. Oct 26 16:18:45 lies! Oct 26 16:18:49 the n900 is perfect! Oct 26 16:18:50 * SpeedEvil realises the UK mobile network market is a quadropoly now. Oct 26 16:19:01 there was a guy riding on the bus with me every morning and I noticed he had a N900 Oct 26 16:19:04 MohammadAG, that was totally freaky : )) Oct 26 16:19:10 today I saw him again and he pulled out an iphone Oct 26 16:19:14 :/ Oct 26 16:19:18 sobczyk: idk look around a bit maybe go back a screen or two Oct 26 16:19:18 >.< Oct 26 16:19:21 Anyone has an answer to my question? (Or is this a social chat room?) Oct 26 16:19:21 that was a terrible morning Oct 26 16:19:33 wazd, I don't mind it calling random people, I just find it difficult to explain that to the other person Oct 26 16:19:41 Nax3000, it was his twin bro, nm :) Oct 26 16:20:01 jauiwojau: what was the question? (sorry, trying to multitask here and get my mind free) Oct 26 16:20:05 well, it's not for everyone Oct 26 16:20:13 question: is it possible to change the default application to open certain file types. E.g. I want to open *.jpg files with the default browser instead of the standard image viewer... Oct 26 16:20:19 system: maemo 5 on N900 Oct 26 16:20:20 but my gf gets a long with it so I guess that argument is invalid Oct 26 16:20:30 mikke-kun: thanks for responding... Oct 26 16:20:32 also can anyone please answer this: Oct 26 16:20:36 quick question: if I have an OC'd powerkernel, do I need to uninstall it before flashing to pr1.3? Oct 26 16:20:37 MohammadAG, I just don't understand how the hell it happened :) Oct 26 16:21:04 jauiwojau: i guess there is... i've heard of it, but i haven't seriously taken it into account until now... *searching* Oct 26 16:21:35 mikki-kun: yea, had some trouble finding it on the Web. Oct 26 16:22:52 if my interwebz would be faster i guess i could work more efficiently ^^ Oct 26 16:23:06 jauiwojau, I assume by setting another app for the mimetype. maybe in gconf Oct 26 16:23:29 µ Oct 26 16:23:31 nax3000, no, the kernel will be overwritten Oct 26 16:23:42 great, thanks Oct 26 16:23:44 andre__ that sounds plausible... Oct 26 16:23:46 ~µ Oct 26 16:23:50 hm Oct 26 16:23:56 µ is Mooooo! Oct 26 16:24:01 maemo seems having problems loading Oct 26 16:24:03 infobot: ... Oct 26 16:24:04 [... = and your point is] or [... = go on] Oct 26 16:24:32 Thunderfest: I found on google talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?goto=newpost&t=64328 though I can't read it (blocked by uni) and through webproxy it times out Oct 26 16:24:39 jauiwojau, but I might be wrong :-P Oct 26 16:25:06 ohhh, could be emerge running the background which stresses my cpu... ^^ Oct 26 16:25:36 so all pr1.3 does is add some new qt infrastructure? Oct 26 16:25:43 or are there genuine bugfixes? Oct 26 16:26:39 there are, supposedly Oct 26 16:26:54 pulseaudio! Oct 26 16:27:08 oh, so pulseaudio doesn't stutter now? Oct 26 16:27:12 nax3000: pulseaudio is slightly improved, and modest no longer tries to remember&send a dbus message for every fscking time I've launched it in my life Oct 26 16:27:46 well, at least there's something Oct 26 16:28:14 nax3000, see link on http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 Oct 26 16:28:23 sobczyk: close the app manager, and restart it. when the updates first come up and it says maemo 5 and you click it, there should be a details button and an install button. click the details button and look through the tabs. Oct 26 16:28:33 Hmmm Oct 26 16:28:43 "Application list partially received" Oct 26 16:29:17 are the maemo-servers having difficulties lately? Oct 26 16:29:17 Does downloads.maemo.nokia.com not work any more? Oct 26 16:29:42 dneary_: here as well problems since last week monday i think Oct 26 16:29:45 "music stutters while multi-tasking, especially browsing web " - this is under "FIXE" so I guess it's gone now Oct 26 16:29:56 let's hope it is... Oct 26 16:30:23 "Hardware T&K lock switch must be used twice to unlock dev... " FINALLY!! Oct 26 16:30:40 T&K? Oct 26 16:31:33 no idea Oct 26 16:31:38 but I hope it means what I think it means Oct 26 16:32:05 also I hope the lockup when you get a call is fixed Oct 26 16:32:31 dneary_: as that is akamai, I guess it will get fixed soon Oct 26 16:32:36 mikki-kun, Good to have confirmation Oct 26 16:33:21 I wonder if there are really so many N900 users that they slashdot'd talk.maemo.org, downloads.maemo.nokia.com, ... Oct 26 16:33:49 javispedro: there may be just a few really active trolls... Oct 26 16:34:08 like PradaBrada? Oct 26 16:34:10 I'm going to make an assessment - Oct 26 16:34:41 worldwide there must be at least 100k Oct 26 16:34:43 question 2: is MicroB the default browser on the N900? Somehow there is no "about/version info" in the browser of the N900... Oct 26 16:34:59 lets say 30 percent of them have no idea about updates Oct 26 16:35:04 yes, microB is the default browser Oct 26 16:35:12 so yeah, that's enough to crash a site Oct 26 16:35:27 Thunderfest: libgles1-sgx-img -- isn't that standard for the device? Oct 26 16:35:35 ml-mobile: ah thanks Oct 26 16:36:01 alterego: Thanks by jamming my n900 battery in the back on my 810 and holding it in place for 10 minutes I was able to get enough charge in to battery to reflash my n900 is saved!! Oct 26 16:36:11 bug 10613 Oct 26 16:36:12 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 screen glitches on incoming call Oct 26 16:36:39 hm, i guess i need to remake my n900... Oct 26 16:36:45 have some cam-problems Oct 26 16:36:46 Mohammad: Fixed, isn't it/ Oct 26 16:36:56 should i go pr1.3 or still reinstall 1.2? Oct 26 16:37:27 javispedro: well, if there aren't many n900 users, they won't be set up for much traffic Oct 26 16:37:39 sobczyk: I had to remove that package too before I reflashed ....in terminal do ->sudo gainroot then apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img Oct 26 16:37:40 RST38h, see my last comment Oct 26 16:37:54 javispedro: today, approximately their entire userbase are trying to use those sites at the same time Oct 26 16:37:56 is there a way to provide MicroB with command line parameters? Does it support these? Oct 26 16:38:24 jauiwojau: i read about these, there are Oct 26 16:38:30 Mohammad: . Not observing it here though Oct 26 16:38:45 mikki-kun: I can't find them... Oct 26 16:38:50 some are for tab-support, others for two-pane or multi-pane Oct 26 16:38:54 Mohammad: And the app menu inertia is not configurable either? Oct 26 16:39:04 MicroB --help doesn't do anything. Oct 26 16:39:07 etc. Oct 26 16:39:26 sorry microb --help Oct 26 16:39:35 jauiwojau: what did you expect? nokia scraped close to everything away in regards of "help" or such stuff in xterm -.- Oct 26 16:40:01 busybox is most likely to be at fault though Oct 26 16:40:19 mikki-kun: strange. These help files wouldn't take much space I would think... Oct 26 16:40:49 jauiwojau: there is even a tool running which removes help-files and such stuff of every package... Oct 26 16:41:02 chromium7 new xorg and transmission, sweet life =) Oct 26 16:41:05 search for it with "dpkg -l | grep remove" or such words Oct 26 16:41:27 so, should i reinstall pr1.2 or go 1.3? Oct 26 16:42:15 mikki-kun: :-\ help files/man pages are my Bible... Oct 26 16:42:25 jauiwojau: mine as well Oct 26 16:42:42 especially since my brain does not remember every f'ine parameter Oct 26 16:42:56 and i think removing those makes it harder to learn Oct 26 16:42:57 mikki-kun: exactly... Oct 26 16:43:48 and saving those 5MB of rootfs... they removed documentation every other linux has and every linux should have Oct 26 16:44:11 or i don't know how much, but i guess not real killer Oct 26 16:44:49 mikki-kun: ah. Is there a quick way to restore this info. Or do you have to basically rebuild all packages? Oct 26 16:45:24 i don't know... i am myself more of a user rather then a dev... Oct 26 16:46:13 mikki-kun: ah. Ok. Oct 26 16:46:28 i just started with c++ due to university Oct 26 16:46:41 and i guess i will go from there into some direction Oct 26 16:46:48 but not professionally... Oct 26 16:46:58 mikki-kun: Ah fun. I worked as a C++ programmer, 12 years ago... Oct 26 16:46:59 mikki-kun: sorry to hear that Oct 26 16:47:25 air: sorry to hear me learning c++? Oct 26 16:47:26 anyone know if "usb-otg port falling off" is covered by warranty? Oct 26 16:47:42 tripzero: which usb-otg port? Oct 26 16:47:51 the one on the n900 Oct 26 16:47:51 mikki-kun: ya, c++ and java are two of the worst programming languages Oct 26 16:47:58 mikki-kun: proper manpages for the nokia binaries and ...I think would considerably have sped updevelopment of some widgets Oct 26 16:48:00 it's not otg Oct 26 16:48:03 air, compared to? Oct 26 16:48:12 air: Ah, :-). Java is indeed very verbose. Oct 26 16:48:18 blah, the usb port fell off Oct 26 16:48:29 java is junk but I use c++ everyday Oct 26 16:48:30 i know otg doesn't actually work Oct 26 16:48:47 air: c++ is imo pretty useful... Oct 26 16:48:59 no Oct 26 16:49:02 it's not OTG Oct 26 16:49:11 host mode != OTG Oct 26 16:49:17 mikki-kun: jauiwojau: apt-get install man-db-n900 (15MB iirc, but not on rootfs) Oct 26 16:49:17 air: and the best programming language is... ? Oct 26 16:49:23 Thunderfest: but wrt to portability not many frameworks can beat java currently... Oct 26 16:49:39 DocScrutinizer: isn't that online-man though only? Oct 26 16:49:46 nope Oct 26 16:49:46 RST38h: C, of course ;) Oct 26 16:50:09 RST38h: there is no perfect language but lisp, haskell, etc are far better than c++ Oct 26 16:50:09 tripzero: http://tabulacrypticum.wordpress.com/2010/08/29/the-n900-microusb-defect-and-your-chance-to-do-something/ Oct 26 16:50:25 is it possible to install samba server in easy debian Oct 26 16:50:26 ? Oct 26 16:50:36 i get error message Oct 26 16:50:38 jauiwojau: c and c++ is just as portable it just needs to be recomplied..and is twice as fast Oct 26 16:50:54 because of dependencies! Oct 26 16:51:11 Thunderfest: not completely true, if you work on another OS with other APIs. Oct 26 16:51:43 air: lisp and haskell are very nice for writing down algorithms but not for building full systems Oct 26 16:51:45 mikki-kun, it's 15MBs for a reason Oct 26 16:51:48 lisp is not all that portable either Oct 26 16:52:00 I was looking into disabling docpurge Oct 26 16:52:08 but then users would have to reinstall all packages Oct 26 16:52:16 to get a simple manpage Oct 26 16:52:27 MohammadAG: does it mean it loads the mans down from the interwebz to the emmc? Oct 26 16:52:28 so I opted for a package, man-db-pages, which contains most useful stuff you need Oct 26 16:52:39 yes, man-db-pages install to /opt/man Oct 26 16:52:48 then it calls mandb and creates a database Oct 26 16:53:03 which rapes your battery for 5 minutes, then man-db should work Oct 26 16:53:35 air: How many commercial oropen source applications written in lisp do you know? Oct 26 16:53:51 jauiwojau: you can write your c and c++ in a way that doesn Oct 26 16:54:23 RST38h: good question! Oct 26 16:54:38 Thunderfest: Btw I graduated at a group where they tried to turn purely functional programming into an industrial strength programming language (http://wiki.clean.cs.ru.nl/Clean). Oct 26 16:55:02 (very similar to Haskell, as a matter of fact, the research groups know each other well) Oct 26 16:55:11 Brrr, Clean. That brings back memories. Oct 26 16:55:30 RST38h: there's this issue in that "most commercial people" don't need a real language at all, but rather a VisualBasic-like "just select the .mdb and draw the form"-style app generator Oct 26 16:55:47 X-Fade: You know it!!! How? Oct 26 16:55:48 javis:actually, no Oct 26 16:56:09 jauiwojau: yes and my research advisor is trying to do the same http://www.cs.ecu.edu/karl/cinnameg/6-2/index.html Oct 26 16:56:13 javis: you are talking of a limited set of apps, there are more sets Oct 26 16:56:23 jauiwojau: I actually got classes during my education. Oct 26 16:56:26 RST38h: but it's clearly the "biggest" one in terms of raw numbers Oct 26 16:56:26 Thunderfest: who is he? Oct 26 16:56:46 X-Fade: where? Oct 26 16:56:48 rst: the yahoo store code was written in lisp and sold to yahoo Oct 26 16:56:50 jauiwojau: Crazy teacher who wrote an unbeatable Scrabble ;) Oct 26 16:57:27 air: has yahoo dumped it already? Oct 26 16:57:29 jauiwojau: Karl Abrahamson Oct 26 16:57:47 javis: yes,uis are dime a dozen Oct 26 16:57:52 apparently they've probably rewritten most of it in other languages Oct 26 16:58:05 no shit. Oct 26 16:58:19 RST38h: not that i know of Oct 26 16:58:27 jauiwojau: Paul de Mast was my teacher. Oct 26 16:58:48 X-Fade: well functional programming requires some more abstraction. If you get that, it is so much more elegant... Oct 26 16:59:21 jauiwojau: Played with some MP3 id3 tags extracting in Clean. Oct 26 17:00:19 jauiwojau: well dr. Abrahamson's language is more of a teaching tool then anything industrial strength but it does include an interesting mix of paradigms Oct 26 17:01:10 X-Fade: fun I see him mentioned in a Google link Jan Kuper, who was in my Master's exam committee. The world is small... Oct 26 17:01:18 Google link WITH Oct 26 17:01:22 jauiwojau: Unfortunately, humans are not used to think in functionalprogramming terms Oct 26 17:01:43 RST38h: if that were true, it could not have been invented... Oct 26 17:01:44 jauiwojau: It is probably easier to teach students assembler than LISP Oct 26 17:01:51 it is Oct 26 17:01:56 jaui: Of course it could have been Oct 26 17:02:08 I wrote a suduku solver in haskell last week Oct 26 17:02:09 jaui: People invent allkinds of unnatural things Oct 26 17:02:38 assembler? Oct 26 17:02:58 i guess teaching it might be easier, but understanding it will be a huge pita for most i assume Oct 26 17:03:07 Some of them are beautiful flights of fancy, but few are fit for public consumption Oct 26 17:03:15 mikki: not really Oct 26 17:03:52 you know that logo was derived from lisp to teach kids to program? Oct 26 17:03:56 mikki: comes naturally to people who have not done any programming yet Oct 26 17:04:12 RST38h: well in this case it is not so unnatural. One of its basic constituents is reflection, and that is in fact a very intuitive notion. Oct 26 17:04:19 air: Yes. And nobody knows anything about Logo outside of that dumb turtle thing Oct 26 17:04:36 hm... i guess it depends rather on how one thinks Oct 26 17:04:45 if one thinks like a pc then it might be easier Oct 26 17:04:52 jauiwojau: One of the basic constituents of a mirror room is reflection. Mirror rooms are very confusing. Oct 26 17:05:15 if not, meaning on higher levels, it can be difficult to "go down! Oct 26 17:05:17 " Oct 26 17:05:20 -! Oct 26 17:06:08 mikki: Imagine that you do notknow C,C++, BASIC, and PASCAL Oct 26 17:06:11 RTS38h: :-) Analogies work both ways... Due to a mirror I can leave my house each morning tidy and well shaven... ;-) Oct 26 17:06:16 here is the main difference between functional and imperative programming....in imperitive your telling the complier how to do something in functional you telling the compiler what something is....so for things where you can exactly define them like quicksort functional is awesome and very elegant....but less great for whole systems Oct 26 17:06:39 mikki: And somebody tells you that computer has those little registers with numbers and you can tell it what to do with numbers in simple steps Oct 26 17:06:49 mikki: Here is your assembly language Oct 26 17:07:13 mikki: Pointers come naturally there, as indices of memory cells in a huge pidgeonholes array Oct 26 17:07:14 ok but I think we are going off-topic. We should go to #philosophyofprogramminglanguages... ;-) Oct 26 17:07:18 pascal?! *throws everything he has at it to destroy it* Oct 26 17:07:34 i hate pascal -.- Oct 26 17:07:48 Speaking of weird phobias... Oct 26 17:08:06 hey now, pascal is better than BASIC as a first language Oct 26 17:08:23 air: yahoo is no longer using the lisp stuff Paul Graham sold them, afaik Oct 26 17:08:27 assembler is the best first language Oct 26 17:08:31 at some point nothing worked, even though i followed it by book >.< Oct 26 17:08:39 FE^HOCAL is the best first language Oct 26 17:08:42 thanks for the answers till so far. Nice to see that the community of N900 users are so deep into computer science/technology. Oct 26 17:08:45 * RST38h laughs evilly Oct 26 17:09:19 jauiwojau: what do you expect, n900 users are all programmers :) Oct 26 17:09:35 its true Oct 26 17:09:36 V-ille: not all ;) but a majority is Oct 26 17:09:40 who isn't? Oct 26 17:09:45 V-ille: yeah, it was sold as a "mobile computer for hackers" so I thought I got to get one... Oct 26 17:09:46 destroy the infidel Oct 26 17:10:01 See you all. Bye! Oct 26 17:10:34 the previous maemo devices were ok-ish, n900 seemed too good to be true Oct 26 17:10:45 a device that let's you do stuff and is a phone as well Oct 26 17:11:01 n810 is better than n900 Oct 26 17:11:04 easily the best device for a programmer like me, and will probably stay at the top for quite some time Oct 26 17:11:09 I wonder how much users in here are not programmers in some way, gotta be close to 0 :D Oct 26 17:11:14 maybe it was a fluke, or freak accident for nokia :P Oct 26 17:11:43 merlin1991: i wasn't a programmer when i bought my n900... Oct 26 17:11:59 air: well, it could be, but it doesn't have a 3G network Oct 26 17:12:00 merlin1991: only programmers know how to use irc :) Oct 26 17:12:30 air, not true look @ quakenet ;) Oct 26 17:12:51 merlin1991: only programmers play quake ;) Oct 26 17:12:59 lol Oct 26 17:18:20 anyone had a bug with every popup (ie maemo menu) appearing hardly visible in top left corner? Oct 26 17:19:00 hmm no Oct 26 17:19:59 ok, reboot fixed it Oct 26 17:22:18 ~/.preenv-uid Oct 26 17:22:21 oops Oct 26 17:23:04 hehe Oct 26 17:23:32 have you solved the problem of having to have the game in an executable filesystem? Oct 26 17:24:00 no, but.. is /tmp exec? =) Oct 26 17:24:08 mm...dynno Oct 26 17:24:10 dunno Oct 26 17:25:01 either way, you should be able to put binary in /opt and symlink data files to MyDocs Oct 26 17:25:12 yeah Oct 26 17:25:30 probably need some automated way to turn this into one-click startup Oct 26 17:26:05 /tmp is retarded Oct 26 17:26:08 1MB only afaik Oct 26 17:26:15 or was that /var/tmp Oct 26 17:27:15 yeah, size=1024kb Oct 26 17:27:25 even /dev/shm is 64MiB =) Oct 26 17:27:46 (probably because pulse uses it for its own dirty endeavors) Oct 26 17:42:13 just checking - am I here? Oct 26 17:43:26 no Oct 26 17:43:28 :P Oct 26 17:43:42 ahh thank you - That's all I wanted to know! Oct 26 17:44:08 Off to Far Flung Places tomorrow, and making sure everything is working on the netbook :-) Oct 26 17:44:19 Of course, IRC may well be blocked... Oct 26 17:44:28 but it's working :) Oct 26 17:44:41 proxies ftw Oct 26 17:45:08 I shall have enough trouble getting online at all, probably Oct 26 17:45:17 but good to know it's all running Oct 26 17:45:21 any debian packaging experts? Oct 26 17:45:25 any good pptp client supported by N900 Oct 26 17:45:26 now just a few bookmarks/passwords Oct 26 17:45:30 Thanks! Oct 26 17:51:11 MohammadAG, your last psfreedom without emulator support? Oct 26 17:51:55 RevdKathy, packed the wellingtons for your paddington? Oct 26 17:52:16 No, just made sure that Titch has his passport. Oct 26 17:52:29 is it me or are both forums down again? Oct 26 17:52:43 How am I supposed to ensure the passwords are right if they do that? Oct 26 17:52:50 MohammadAG ? Oct 26 17:52:52 yeah, its been a bit heavy this week wth pr1.3 Oct 26 17:53:05 =( Oct 26 17:53:08 ZogG, can't see any dev_xxxx stuff in it Oct 26 17:53:13 ZogG, try hermes Oct 26 17:53:13 Which hasn't been releaszed for the UK, apparently Oct 26 17:53:19 * RevdKathy snarls Oct 26 17:53:32 global firmware's the way to go Oct 26 17:53:41 MohammadAG so PL3 without emulator? than need a patch as the priveous? Oct 26 17:53:43 that means reflashing Oct 26 17:53:50 indeed Oct 26 17:54:00 and that I DON'T have time or energy to do before my hols Oct 26 17:54:13 RevdKathy it's always about reflashing Oct 26 17:54:19 KaKaRoTo, does PL3 need any patches for BD emulation? Oct 26 17:54:37 load the global image onto a laptop, and youll have something to do to pass the time on the plane :) Oct 26 17:54:37 RevdKathy, ship me your N900, I love flashing Oct 26 17:55:03 You know, I bet there'd be a market for people to reflash Oct 26 17:55:04 KaKaRoTo is here? lol Oct 26 17:55:18 anyway, what am I missing in PR 1.3? Oct 26 17:55:32 PR 1.3? Oct 26 17:55:35 user-side, nothing really other than bugfixes Oct 26 17:55:44 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 17:55:44 rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 17:55:45 qt4.7? Oct 26 17:56:14 Doubt I have anything that needs qt 4.7 Oct 26 17:56:28 you *need* qt 4.7 Oct 26 17:56:30 this is the start of the end my friends Oct 26 17:56:35 it was good knowing you Oct 26 17:56:43 * slingr smashes his n900 against the ground Oct 26 17:56:52 ooooh Oct 26 17:56:59 hurts Oct 26 17:57:01 slingr, tell us if you get an n900fly high score with that Oct 26 17:57:06 lol Oct 26 17:57:07 haha Oct 26 17:57:09 i was actually gonna say that Oct 26 17:57:10 no joke Oct 26 17:57:12 I don't need qt4.7 until the apps start using it Oct 26 17:57:25 RevdKathy, but the support is there :) Oct 26 17:57:26 RevdKathy, all qt apps will use it if you have it installed Oct 26 17:57:41 or they wont if you dont, and still work fine Oct 26 17:57:41 and it fixes bugs in current apps Oct 26 17:57:52 so no, theres no *need* for it until apps appear that require it Oct 26 17:57:53 and probably runs things faster Oct 26 17:58:00 use n900fly Oct 26 17:58:01 and lets you install new qml apps Oct 26 17:58:04 But I wobn't have it installed until they deign to release the UK version Oct 26 17:58:10 like the ones i just wrote Oct 26 17:58:36 RevdKathy, enjoy holiday and see if its out when you get back Oct 26 17:58:50 And I can't even check whether it's immanent as I can't access tmo Oct 26 17:58:59 lcuk - that was ny thinking Oct 26 17:59:13 NY thinking? you going to America? *grin* Oct 26 17:59:25 I will a) bitch and b) reflash to generic if it's not out by 5th Nov Oct 26 17:59:39 And now I really need to go and pack Oct 26 17:59:46 hm, thats only a week and a half away Oct 26 17:59:48 you could just go to a bonfire like everyone else :D Oct 26 17:59:50 fat chance of it being out by then Oct 26 17:59:57 Later - possibly tomorrow. Or not Oct 26 18:00:14 Bonfire? It's Diwali! Oct 26 18:00:28 is there some reason graphical package managers do not display some packages? (apt-cache can) Oct 26 18:00:36 Some of us will be doing proper firework type things Oct 26 18:00:51 sobczyk, they dont display non-user packages Oct 26 18:00:55 sobczyk, yes Oct 26 18:01:06 MohammadAG hmm. it seems not working =( Oct 26 18:01:08 Right: suitcase calls. May be back later if I get bored Oct 26 18:01:12 ZogG, hermes? Oct 26 18:01:20 RevdKathy, well its the festival of lights :) Oct 26 18:01:26 bah Oct 26 18:01:28 she got unbored :P Oct 26 18:01:32 nitdroid wiki suggests searching it in graphical manager, but it's not there (nitdroid-installer Oct 26 18:01:48 MohammadAG didn't try yet Oct 26 18:01:50 search for Nitdroid Oct 26 18:02:44 MohammadAG: tried to search in default app manager and fapman - nothing. I can install using apt-get but I was wondering what could be the reason Oct 26 18:02:52 Hi, I accidentally hit ignore on the maemo update on my n900. How do I apply it now? Application manager says there are no updates. Oct 26 18:02:55 what is working t.m.o link? Oct 26 18:03:04 talk.maemo.org is down 4 me ;{ Oct 26 18:03:28 ~isitdown Oct 26 18:03:28 extra, extra, read all about it, isitdown is http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/ Oct 26 18:05:00 tmo must not have very good availability Oct 26 18:05:10 are we talking three nines here? Oct 26 18:05:30 and so it starts.... "PR 1.3 LITTLE changes with HUGE DISAPPOINT!!!" Oct 26 18:05:44 Well can't argue with this... Oct 26 18:06:01 hey, I can finally update to post 1.1 modest, I'm happy Oct 26 18:06:18 Whatever Nokia's release procedure is, it is completely broken. Oct 26 18:07:18 btw, how you compare the current one to the Diablo SSUs one? Oct 26 18:07:36 I'm too young in Maemo to remember, I only got the last two Diablo SSUs. Oct 26 18:08:16 switching language while in terminal still causes some weird input Oct 26 18:08:24 So I should stick with 1.2? Oct 26 18:08:55 why? Oct 26 18:08:56 no, SSU to 1.3 Oct 26 18:09:09 I'll ask again Oct 26 18:09:12 how do I know I have 1.3 if none of the repo links are for 1.3 (either fremntle or fremantle 1.2) and I did the big maemo5 update Oct 26 18:09:15 any debian packaging exdperts? Oct 26 18:09:17 experts Oct 26 18:09:59 MohammadAG: not and expert but i can package Oct 26 18:11:21 I can package, but I need help in replacing a package Oct 26 18:12:06 I accidentally hit ignore on the last maemo5 update. How can I install it now? Oct 26 18:12:35 jeward: go to app manager Oct 26 18:12:50 App manager says no updates avaiable., Oct 26 18:12:54 available. Oct 26 18:13:05 you can't ignore an update Oct 26 18:13:15 Oh, now it shows up! Thanks! Oct 26 18:13:15 You can. Oct 26 18:13:15 you can only ignore the yellow notification Oct 26 18:13:27 Well yeah, what he says. Oct 26 18:13:35 :P Oct 26 18:13:48 anyone noticed that bug 10613 is still there, sorta Oct 26 18:13:49 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10613 screen glitches on incoming call Oct 26 18:14:29 20.2010.36-2 is pr1.3? Oct 26 18:14:39 yes Oct 26 18:15:07 why they didn't simply write pr1.3? (or pr1.3-) Oct 26 18:15:25 why should they? Oct 26 18:15:36 why is the world round? Oct 26 18:15:47 prx.x are simply unofficial patch names used by the community, not actual release numbers Oct 26 18:15:49 to spin around Oct 26 18:15:50 =d Oct 26 18:16:08 tripzero, it's not round Oct 26 18:16:26 * tripzero gasps Oct 26 18:16:31 i knew it! Oct 26 18:16:33 not to confuse the users, repo names = release names; easier than figuring out what the number is for Oct 26 18:16:51 tripzero, the world doesn't exist Oct 26 18:17:02 Your mind, is the scene of the world Oct 26 18:17:07 so because users decide to call releases by a shorthand name, nokia should change their release naming system to match it? Oct 26 18:17:11 wheres the logic there? Oct 26 18:17:21 nid0, 1=1 Oct 26 18:17:52 but the question is, does char 1 = int 1? Oct 26 18:17:54 tmo is always down lately Oct 26 18:18:26 MohammadAG where does it keep modules and pls3 on n900 in your program Oct 26 18:18:29 if you define your own system for representing chars then char 1 = int 1 :) Oct 26 18:18:47 /opt/psfreedom/modules Oct 26 18:22:15 which repor can be changed to fremantle-1.3? (I have extras, extras-devel, opera) don't know about the fremantle ones from nokia.com Oct 26 18:22:52 sobczyk, afaik the repos get automagically updated as part of the upgrade Oct 26 18:22:56 what makes you think its not Oct 26 18:23:36 lcuk: because I've upped them by hand a second ago, except ones from nokia.com because I'm not sure Oct 26 18:24:04 so you are on pr1.3 by normal update mechanism? Oct 26 18:24:09 and it *didn't change the repos? Oct 26 18:24:17 tmo is seriously lagging Oct 26 18:24:25 normal, and no update Oct 26 18:24:33 tmo is mostly unresponsive Oct 26 18:24:35 extras only I think Oct 26 18:25:23 I wonder if people on tmo know that kernel-power is old Oct 26 18:25:41 I mean extras, extras-devel and opera have fremantle-1.3, so I was wondering about ones from nokia.com, but I guess they don't need upgrade Oct 26 18:26:17 -devel should be fremantle Oct 26 18:26:32 myyh. Oct 26 18:26:51 probably that's why the updater does not touch anything else Oct 26 18:27:16 MohammadAG: any particular reason? there is also fremantle-1.2 there Oct 26 18:28:24 ask Nokia :P Oct 26 18:28:58 did someone flash the firmware on TMO and it's stuck in a reboot loop? Oct 26 18:29:12 you? Oct 26 18:29:19 maybe we should switch to coral cache Oct 26 18:29:25 I created fremantle-1.3, so if there someone messed up at Nokia, I could fix it. Oct 26 18:29:42 But there was no real need for it this time. Oct 26 18:30:36 I vote we just make it a news-server. Oct 26 18:31:01 only those that can work out how to post to moderated groups can post. Oct 26 18:31:51 yeah haha i'd have to learn... Oct 26 18:35:08 someone want to test new version of conky? i give up on posting it on tmo Oct 26 18:35:23 https://garage.maemo.org/frs/?group_id=1423 Oct 26 18:36:24 multiboot-kernel-maemo will work for pr-1.2? I read that it's image for pr-1.2 http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/multiboot-kernel-maemo/0.3-1/ Oct 26 18:36:37 I mean pr-1.3 ... Oct 26 18:41:39 moin Oct 26 18:50:56 hi guys Oct 26 18:51:06 can somebody help me a little? :) Oct 26 18:51:46 ~hail libplayback documentation Oct 26 18:51:46 * infobot bows down to libplayback documentation and chants, "I'M NOT WORTHY!!" Oct 26 18:52:15 :) Oct 26 18:52:29 ~questions Oct 26 18:52:30 remember, there are no stupid questions, just stupid people. Oct 26 18:52:43 no, no that one :P Oct 26 18:52:58 ~ask Oct 26 18:52:59 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Oct 26 18:54:14 remind me why tmo died again? Oct 26 18:54:45 combined slashdotting of a million mindless pr1.3 upgrading zombies Oct 26 18:55:00 MUST-HAVE-FLASH-10 Oct 26 18:55:00 are you talking to me? :) Oct 26 18:55:05 that was two days ago Oct 26 18:55:05 MUST-HAVE-FLASH10 Oct 26 18:55:11 * MohammadAG smacks forehead Oct 26 18:55:40 BRAAAAAAAAAAINSSSSSSS.... (with Flash) Oct 26 18:55:41 i have a question about some settings for wifi connection Oct 26 18:55:53 kopte3: the "Questions" part was for you, just ask Oct 26 18:55:57 hi all Oct 26 18:55:59 ~tell kopte3 about ask Oct 26 18:56:11 ok Oct 26 18:56:12 thanks Oct 26 18:56:16 so, my question is Oct 26 18:56:23 i have a wifi on my university Oct 26 18:56:32 restoring backups... failling to restore my PR1.2 contacts backup after upgrade to PR1.3 Oct 26 18:56:40 everything else restores fine Oct 26 18:56:45 the contacts even partially Oct 26 18:56:57 but all phone numbers, etc. lost Oct 26 18:56:57 and i need to to set Security type: Shared Oct 26 18:57:02 and Oct 26 18:57:06 any idea why or how to fix this? Oct 26 18:57:13 "Connect even if network is not broadcasting" Oct 26 18:57:21 kopte3: by "shared" they usually mean PreShared Key (or PSK) Oct 26 18:57:56 kopte3: and by "Connect even if network is not brdcstng" they usually mean "Hidden network" Oct 26 18:58:11 ah.. ok Oct 26 18:58:25 kopte3: so, when Maemo asks you for network type, set "WPA Preshared Key" or similar, and check the "Hidden network" checkbox Oct 26 18:58:31 so shared is wpa psk? Oct 26 18:58:40 it could be wep Oct 26 18:58:52 but most often it is wpa psk Oct 26 18:59:08 ok, thanks Oct 26 18:59:08 is there any way to install tinysmb in debian chroot ?? Oct 26 18:59:17 hmm Oct 26 18:59:26 on more thing Oct 26 18:59:35 one* Oct 26 19:00:08 i have to ask mu friend.. there is something messed up with that wifi. Oct 26 19:00:37 there are two different connections on the same ruters Oct 26 19:00:44 so many devices have a problem Oct 26 19:00:49 to connect Oct 26 19:00:51 that's nothing uncommon Oct 26 19:00:59 so... about tmo... Oct 26 19:01:29 yup, i know that, but there is something uncommon.. i will try to find that out these days Oct 26 19:01:44 can i ask you again if this isn't going to work? :) Oct 26 19:01:59 no, wanted to mean the opposite: Oct 26 19:02:04 it is pretty common Oct 26 19:02:17 (double negative!) Oct 26 19:02:29 i get that Oct 26 19:02:34 but i wanted to say Oct 26 19:02:56 there is something more messed up Oct 26 19:03:03 which is uncommon :) Oct 26 19:03:03 what's up with the WWW today? everything's down Oct 26 19:03:18 I'm getting 500 errors even in slashdot Oct 26 19:03:45 skynet's taking over Oct 26 19:05:01 so, if i choose wep in settings it will be wep with shared authentication? Oct 26 19:05:11 lol for skynet :) Oct 26 19:06:00 <_trine> if you chose WEP able to hack you in less than a minute Oct 26 19:06:12 <_trine> ^ I Oct 26 19:06:26 kopte3: wep is by definition "shared" Oct 26 19:06:37 but wpa-psk also uses a shared key Oct 26 19:06:54 i just found out, it's wep Oct 26 19:06:55 <_trine> WEP is shared with everyone Oct 26 19:07:49 thanks Oct 26 19:07:55 a lot! Oct 26 19:08:23 now.. i just checked out my settings and everything was already that way (in phone) Oct 26 19:08:29 still, i can't connect Oct 26 19:09:21 kopte3: if your university's WiFi has hidden SSID, then please invite that admin here so he can receive the hard spanking he earned by this idiocy Oct 26 19:09:40 DocScrutinizer: why? Oct 26 19:09:42 oh man Oct 26 19:09:54 i wish i can find that idiot myself :D Oct 26 19:10:01 jacekowski: because I like spanking idiots Oct 26 19:10:15 weird way of spending free time Oct 26 19:10:31 <_trine> especially female idiots Oct 26 19:10:34 <_trine> :P Oct 26 19:10:35 it has hidden SSID Oct 26 19:10:51 proxy Oct 26 19:10:52 and something is fckd up Oct 26 19:10:54 or whatever Oct 26 19:11:02 two of my friends have n900 too Oct 26 19:11:06 noone can connect Oct 26 19:11:20 symbian can, android can, ios devices can Oct 26 19:11:26 maybe it's using that windows thing Oct 26 19:11:32 hmm, maybe not Oct 26 19:11:36 enroll Oct 26 19:11:54 no.. i think even some android phones can't Oct 26 19:12:00 ..connect Oct 26 19:12:41 is it called "PAP"? Oct 26 19:12:46 if i can find what's wrong with that network Oct 26 19:12:47 the one who kills that admin will inherit his job Oct 26 19:12:52 can you guys help me? :) Oct 26 19:13:14 kopte3: not really, basically, you would need to gather as much verifiable information about the network as possible Oct 26 19:13:23 on killing admin? probably not, unless you get us his address Oct 26 19:13:26 i can do that Oct 26 19:13:29 :D Oct 26 19:13:31 lol Oct 26 19:14:01 i can find out pretty much everything about it Oct 26 19:14:10 MohammadAG, no patches needed, no Oct 26 19:14:16 because there are a lot of students there.. Oct 26 19:14:35 ZogG, ^^ Oct 26 19:14:41 thanks KaKaRoTo Oct 26 19:14:47 lemme guess what subject this university is Oct 26 19:14:57 guess :) Oct 26 19:15:05 it's NOT CS Oct 26 19:15:19 DocScrutinizer: you'd be surprised in fscked setups in CS universities Oct 26 19:15:36 lol, yeah I'm afraid you're right Oct 26 19:15:44 CS? Oct 26 19:15:52 javispedro: it's not so easy to manage network that's used by couple thousands users Oct 26 19:15:59 javispedro: it's using different terminals Oct 26 19:16:05 javispedro: connecting loads of different things Oct 26 19:16:15 jacekowski: yes, but not following eduroam's own guidelines is just suicidal Oct 26 19:16:26 and very often every single device is different Oct 26 19:16:28 nevertheless I would pick economics as one of three possibilities Oct 26 19:16:45 nope :) Oct 26 19:17:17 social Oct 26 19:17:23 network is in the building with three tehnical faculties Oct 26 19:17:24 DocScrutinizer: well, you know it's not CS, you still have a hundred other majors =) Oct 26 19:17:25 :) Oct 26 19:17:38 and network is made by the guys Oct 26 19:18:09 from my school of electrical engineering :D Oct 26 19:18:16 OMFG Oct 26 19:18:18 hahahaha Oct 26 19:18:23 ;P Oct 26 19:18:24 yeah, i know Oct 26 19:18:25 :D Oct 26 19:18:41 i am studying software engineering Oct 26 19:18:41 oh, the irony. Oct 26 19:19:29 :) Oct 26 19:20:23 After latest update if I open maemo browser, then close it browserd starts eating CPU (load ~60-90%) and battery. When I re-launch the browser, CPU usage goes to 0% again. Anybody has seen this? Oct 26 19:21:18 we do learn about computer networks and information systems Oct 26 19:21:25 W: GPG error: http://repository.maemo.org diablo Release: The following signatures were invalid: BADSIG E40DC434616730BD maemo.org Extras repositories (Fremantle Extras) Oct 26 19:21:50 but.. almost none of the practical stuff Oct 26 19:22:23 practical stuff is more in programming, operating systems, algorythms etc Oct 26 19:23:37 guys, thanks for the help, i'll try to find what's fckd up there, and address of the guy who fckd up. see you in a few days, thanks for the help, you're very kind! Oct 26 19:23:57 :) Oct 26 19:26:48 hail for eduoram Oct 26 19:26:48 or pr1.2 since it didn't work before that one :P Oct 26 19:28:01 merlin1991: if your eduroam network is using PAP, they are violating its guidelines Oct 26 19:28:22 nah it's doing the radius stuff Oct 26 19:28:41 merlin1991: with a captive portal???? Oct 26 19:28:59 captive portal? Oct 26 19:29:30 a weblogin or the like Oct 26 19:29:56 nope Oct 26 19:30:00 no weblogin Oct 26 19:30:40 just wpa eap peap Oct 26 19:30:47 ah, no pap. Oct 26 19:31:22 it's the technical university of vienna, gotta be something they do right :P Oct 26 19:32:18 KaKaRoTo yeah, thanks - managed to work on gaia, though on backupmanager it doesn't work Oct 26 19:32:48 hey ... if I dist-upgrade to PR 1.3, will power-kernel somehow interfere with it / Oct 26 19:32:49 ? Oct 26 19:33:05 dist-upgrade doesn't work Oct 26 19:33:20 why not ? Oct 26 19:33:33 dunno, somebody tried yesterday and apt failed Oct 26 19:33:38 ZogG, yeah, you need gaia Oct 26 19:33:46 marex don't do it - killed my phone - lucky i had nitdroid to full the battery to charge Oct 26 19:33:53 KaKaRoTo, =* Oct 26 19:34:04 And the BSP files, no idea how hard it is to extract from those. I used to know. Oct 26 19:34:11 you are one of the guys i want raise child from =) Oct 26 19:34:36 MohammadAG, so why can't you maintain hildon separetly? Oct 26 19:34:44 ZogG: killed ? how ? Oct 26 19:34:54 ZogG, it's impossible on -devel Oct 26 19:34:59 ZogG: why won't dist-upgrade work, it worked from 1.0 to 1.2 Oct 26 19:35:19 marex it turned off in the middle itself Oct 26 19:35:31 and than i used ntroid so finished battery Oct 26 19:35:41 guys, is there a option for hexadecimal 128bit key? Oct 26 19:35:52 ZogG: so your battery ran out ? Oct 26 19:35:55 wireless network settings? Oct 26 19:41:06 guys? :) Oct 26 19:41:42 marex after that, but when it turned off it was full Oct 26 19:42:12 hi. trying to run "apt-get install preenv libgles1" I get: The following packages have unmet dependencies: Oct 26 19:42:12 libgles1: Depends: libgles1-sgx-img but it is not going to be installed Oct 26 19:42:27 how do I fix that? :-) Oct 26 19:42:41 what repository do I need for that? Oct 26 19:42:52 do not add libgles1 to apt-get install cmd line. Oct 26 19:44:02 with just preenv I get: preenv: Depends: libjson-glib-1.0-0 but it is not going to be installed Oct 26 19:46:14 javispedro: is there a option for hexadecimal 128bit key? Oct 26 19:46:17 ZogG: that's strange Oct 26 19:46:23 :) Oct 26 19:46:25 ZogG: how am I supposed to do the update ? Oct 26 19:47:39 kopte3: try entering the hex key on the field Oct 26 19:48:05 javispedro: on the field? Oct 26 19:48:25 Sorry to bother you guys but I have a quick question: Does Advanced Power not work or is it just me? Oct 26 19:48:36 instinctiv is coming out well Oct 26 19:48:40 shame it's closed source :/ Oct 26 19:48:42 kopte3: on the password field Oct 26 19:48:50 i tried that Oct 26 19:49:00 javispedro: i tried that Oct 26 19:50:01 javispedro: is it done automatically when i put the hex key? Oct 26 19:50:15 kopte3: yes, afaik, it can detect that because of the length. Oct 26 19:50:35 javispedro: can i manualy set it? Oct 26 19:50:49 via gconf, which is a long topic. Oct 26 19:51:14 ok, thank you very much! Oct 26 19:51:32 ok, apt-get -f install did the trick. now how do I download WebOS games? from where? Oct 26 19:51:33 :-) Oct 26 19:51:33 bye Oct 26 19:54:13 marex in OTA Oct 26 19:54:28 somwhere there is info about package and there there is problem list Oct 26 19:54:39 I don't trust it ... Oct 26 19:54:40 the packages to delete before update Oct 26 19:54:41 it doesn't work Oct 26 19:54:43 do makeup Oct 26 19:54:48 bakcup* Oct 26 19:55:02 than delete, update and restore Oct 26 19:55:08 or the same with flashing Oct 26 19:55:11 ~flashing Oct 26 19:55:12 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 26 19:55:13 I used the onboard backup application Oct 26 19:57:39 javispedro: Any reason why "preenv" doesn't launch the executable directly? Oct 26 19:57:45 Hi, I have n900 and want to know which is best OS for file sharing with my n900. Windows 7 x64 or Ubuntu 10.10 x64 Oct 26 19:58:02 Pauly: Ubuntu, use NFS Oct 26 19:58:33 Debian Testing, use NFS ;-) Oct 26 19:58:38 cool im downloading it now Oct 26 19:58:38 zap: submit a patch =) Oct 26 19:58:58 javispedro: well, I just thought there was a real reason :) Oct 26 19:59:10 thank for the package btw, it is awesome Oct 26 20:00:29 i know this question is off but is ubuntu good with like media streaming 720p with xbox 360? Oct 26 20:00:58 Pauly: try #ubuntu Oct 26 20:01:35 #debian :) Oct 26 20:02:40 ahhh makes sence Oct 26 20:02:42 sryy Oct 26 20:03:35 Umm I have another question, can anybody help me? Oct 26 20:03:39 PR 1.3 is nice i think its a bit faster its cool i feel like i have a new tablet lol Oct 26 20:04:07 Does Matan's modified Hildon Desktop still work with PR 1.3? Oct 26 20:05:00 mine works, I think Oct 26 20:05:18 Not sure? Oct 26 20:05:19 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/hildon-desktop_matan_2.2.140-1+0m5_armel.deb Oct 26 20:05:31 haven't tried it, but it should worked Oct 26 20:05:39 isn't the one it's built from essentially the same as what we have in PR1.3? Oct 26 20:05:43 since it's based on the new version (actually newer) version Oct 26 20:05:43 mmm.. I'm sorry but what does yours offer? Oct 26 20:05:55 it's the same one, but compiled for 1.3 Oct 26 20:05:56 Everything as Matan's? Oct 26 20:06:04 it's his patches, can't take credit for those Oct 26 20:06:09 ah I see Oct 26 20:06:10 -es Oct 26 20:06:14 Thanks! Oct 26 20:06:24 np :) Oct 26 20:06:38 I have a version with thp's patches too :) Oct 26 20:06:52 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/matan/thp/ dated 26-Oct Oct 26 20:06:57 mm, whatever happened to that 'Boost N900' thread? Oct 26 20:07:30 http://www.google.com/search?client=ubuntu&channel=fs&q=boost+N900+site%3Atalk.maemo.org&ie=utf-8&oe=utf-8 ftw Oct 26 20:07:33 first hit :P Oct 26 20:09:21 Sorry, I meant what happened to SavageD, he posted his version, and then at the end he said it was unstable and told everyone to uninstall it and he would post one up soon(or that very day) and then the thread just died Oct 26 20:11:42 Urgh, t.m.o is still being crap Oct 26 20:11:50 YEah, just died on me Oct 26 20:11:51 There can't be that many visitors .. Oct 26 20:12:04 Apparently its people downloading the patch thats causing this Oct 26 20:12:07 all the one time "I hate you Nokia" posters are slowly wandering away Oct 26 20:12:18 alterego: anything bout madde and 1.3? Oct 26 20:12:39 dolp: nokia qt sdk was updated with latest sysroot Oct 26 20:12:54 If you've got it installed, run the update program and it should download the bits you need for PR1.3 Oct 26 20:13:11 I got someone to send me the two files I needed to install manually into madde Oct 26 20:13:32 As I don't use te Nokia Qt SDK, I use the latest madde and a Qt creator snapshot :) Oct 26 20:14:13 mmm.. i like to use madde only :P Oct 26 20:15:37 dolp: what version of madde do you use? Oct 26 20:15:52 I can point you to the files you need to set it up ;) Oct 26 20:17:07 0.6.72 Oct 26 20:17:31 Old :P Oct 26 20:17:35 ZogG: heartbeatrate .. 120 :b Oct 26 20:17:52 yeah i know.. havent found windows binaries for newer version Oct 26 20:18:14 Hrm, I can't help you with the windows version :/ Oct 26 20:18:16 I try to compile a project depending on opengl es, but I get this error message while compiling: http://pastebin.com/gtkFzs3N -> What do I do wrong ? Oct 26 20:18:18 =))) Oct 26 20:18:50 djszapi: read the error Oct 26 20:19:17 probably some define missing Oct 26 20:19:24 or one of includes missing Oct 26 20:19:27 jacekowski: what is your mean ? Oct 26 20:19:37 djszapi: are you potentially including gl2ext.h _before_ gl2.h? Oct 26 20:20:22 I think my filesystem is corrupt, recently I removed a 110mb file and It freed up only 39mb, Storage Usage says 1.7 in use but I got only 40mb free space in /home/user , how can I fsck it? Oct 26 20:20:47 is pr1.3 safe to upgrate to if you have 56MB free in / and kernel-power installed? Oct 26 20:21:28 javispedro: http://projects.kde.org/projects/playground/games/gluon/repository/revisions/master/entry/graphics/material.cpp Oct 26 20:21:52 #include Oct 26 20:21:52 #include Oct 26 20:22:06 so, no. Oct 26 20:22:20 where are you build this? which scratchbox SDK version? Oct 26 20:22:24 seems so Oct 26 20:22:35 javispedro: don't expect him to post in the right order :P Oct 26 20:22:50 javispedro: also, well done on the palm pre env stuff. Oct 26 20:23:40 javispedro: http://pastebin.com/Di1wfSVk Oct 26 20:23:41 after the change. Oct 26 20:24:13 djszapi: that is the wrong way Oct 26 20:24:23 I meant yours was right already =) Oct 26 20:24:51 why did not it compile then ? :( Oct 26 20:25:03 where are you build this? which scratchbox SDK version? Oct 26 20:25:15 pm Oct 26 20:26:25 is it normal that ham is not proposing an upgrade? Oct 26 20:27:25 nother try: is 1.3 compatible with kernel-power? Oct 26 20:27:36 yes Oct 26 20:27:59 and is 56 MB free in / enough? Oct 26 20:28:13 maybe... if it fails, just restart and apt-get upgrade -f Oct 26 20:28:18 it will continue Oct 26 20:28:24 thats what i did, installed with 45mb Oct 26 20:28:35 and kernel power Oct 26 20:28:40 hm ok Oct 26 20:29:09 i would run the whole update from command line Oct 26 20:29:15 About PR 1.3: DO NOT apt-get -dist-upgrade! Type ~pr1.3 for more info. Oct 26 20:29:18 i ran fapman and it crashed like half way through Oct 26 20:29:35 but the dpkg thing kept working away Oct 26 20:29:43 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 20:29:43 would have been nice to see the status Oct 26 20:29:44 [pr1.3] the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 20:30:07 bye guys Oct 26 20:30:17 ZogG: dist-upgrade completed ... now to the reboot Oct 26 20:30:29 ZogG: it died for you during dist-upgrade, right ? Oct 26 20:30:54 yeah Oct 26 20:31:01 not only me Oct 26 20:31:20 someone also had this Oct 26 20:32:44 pin ok Oct 26 20:32:53 nokia animation Oct 26 20:32:55 oh ... Oct 26 20:34:08 PR1.3 is nice :) Oct 26 20:34:34 lucky Oct 26 20:34:39 i cant update to it -.- Oct 26 20:35:02 pronto: many years of embedded linux experience did the trick I think :) Oct 26 20:35:07 pronto: btw why not ? Oct 26 20:35:25 it wants to be plugged into the computer via a usb cable i lost, and i dont run windows Oct 26 20:36:10 me neither ... I'm a pure-blood debian user Oct 26 20:36:25 pronto: I disabled all the additional repositories (but those three nokia left there) Oct 26 20:36:35 then ran xterm, apt-get update ; apt-get dist-upgrade Oct 26 20:36:56 it chocked a few times, but nothing apt-get -f install and dpkg --configure -a can't fix Oct 26 20:38:24 so well ...1) I did apt-get dist-upgrade ...2) it chocked for not having enough space ... so I ran dpkg --configure -a ; apt-get -f install (it chocked again that it's lacking space ... goto 2) ... and at the end, I ran apt-get dist-upgrade to make sure it's all done Oct 26 20:41:05 marex? Oct 26 20:41:57 tybollt: what ? Oct 26 20:42:03 <_trine> is there no UK PR 1.3 ? Oct 26 20:42:05 i just noticed today that pressing power button freezes any audio for about two seconds in any state the device is in, can others reproduce this too? Oct 26 20:42:24 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10353#c19 hail Nokia Oct 26 20:42:24 Bug 10353: result of USSD query should not be shown to user at all (If he wishes that) Oct 26 20:42:35 doesn't matter if it's maemo's mediaplayer or mplayer that is playing the audio Oct 26 20:43:14 and i'm talking about PR1.3 Oct 26 20:44:16 <_trine> which PR 1.3 version do I need for the UK ? Oct 26 20:45:01 is there different opengl package with khronos and imgtec for maemo ? Oct 26 20:45:11 _trine: .203 I guess. Oct 26 20:45:25 probably not existing yet Oct 26 20:45:41 hm talks about using `pcsuite' which i never used... does that mean it has too little free? Oct 26 20:45:55 and i also noticed that the fm-transmitter is totally unusable with PR1.3 Oct 26 20:46:00 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that sucks :-/ Oct 26 20:46:07 nox-: that or you've got a package conflick (which is the most likely case) Oct 26 20:46:22 <_trine> andre__, 203 is ver 1.1.1 Oct 26 20:46:34 wmarone, how can i see which package conflicts? Oct 26 20:47:29 _trine, urgh. even worse. Oct 26 20:47:47 if you start the upgrade process, there's a pop up that offers details Oct 26 20:48:00 * wmarone should have taken screenshots Oct 26 20:48:30 anyone tried kernel-power on PR1.3 ? Oct 26 20:48:48 yes its fine u just have to reboot Oct 26 20:48:56 ah conflicts with perl Oct 26 20:49:40 which opengl package should I install inside the scratchbox ? Oct 26 20:49:49 to get the khronos one, and not imgtec one ? Oct 26 20:50:00 marex: I Oct 26 20:50:09 marex: I'd also like to know - I need the hotspot app Oct 26 20:50:27 and I'm too much of a cheap fuck to pay for joiku ;) Oct 26 20:50:53 alterego, ping Oct 26 20:51:03 Yessir? Oct 26 20:54:19 MohammadAG: D? Oct 26 20:54:28 grr Oct 26 20:54:29 ok, powerkernel works ... that's good Oct 26 20:54:41 can somebody show me theirs /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Oct 26 20:54:43 you downgraded your kernel Oct 26 20:54:56 marex: you understand what powerkernel is? it's a compilation of a particular version of stock kernel - and it just has a different config (simplified image). So no, there's no powerkernel yet that's based on the pr1.3 stock kernel version. Installing powerkernel on PR1.3 means kernel downgrade Oct 26 20:55:05 DocScrutinizer: Oct 26 20:55:27 jacekowski: eh? Oct 26 20:55:37 DocScrutinizer: sources.list Oct 26 20:55:40 DocScrutinizer: I need iptables ... so well, this is ok with me Oct 26 20:55:46 ham.list? no pr1.3 here Oct 26 20:55:50 DocScrutinizer: btw. there's .28 one Oct 26 20:55:53 DocScrutinizer: yeah Oct 26 20:55:57 DocScrutinizer: i want 1.2 one Oct 26 20:56:02 k, np Oct 26 20:56:04 mompls Oct 26 20:56:39 http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=QiH3mD6L jacekowski Oct 26 20:56:47 oh, 1.2, nvm Oct 26 20:57:14 should be the same Oct 26 20:57:54 a minute, nstalling pastebinit Oct 26 20:57:57 mine is not upgrading for some reason Oct 26 20:58:36 DocScrutinizer, pastebinit doesn't work afaik Oct 26 20:58:56 meh, it's a nonsense file of marginal size anyway Oct 26 20:59:03 prepare for impact... Oct 26 20:59:07 deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/apps/ ./ Oct 26 20:59:08 deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle/ssu/mr0 ./ Oct 26 20:59:10 deb https://downloads.maemo.nokia.com/fremantle1.2/ovi/ ./ Oct 26 20:59:11 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle-1.2 free non-free Oct 26 20:59:13 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle free non-free Oct 26 20:59:14 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle free non-free Oct 26 20:59:16 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing fremantle-1.2 free non-free Oct 26 20:59:18 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel fremantle-1.2 free non-free Oct 26 20:59:19 deb http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools free non-free Oct 26 20:59:23 ... Oct 26 20:59:36 ~slap DocScrutinizer Oct 26 20:59:37 * infobot slaps DocScrutinizer, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Oct 26 20:59:40 irc is the new pastebin? Oct 26 20:59:57 upstart: PreDepends: sysvinit-utils (>= 2.86.ds1-23) or Oct 26 20:59:57 busybox (>= 3:1.6.1.legal-1osso8) but it is not going to be installed Oct 26 20:59:59 \o/ Oct 26 21:00:06 Stskeeps: does meego already work as dual boot with maemo pr1.3? Oct 26 21:00:17 jacekowski, I get that too Oct 26 21:00:25 have you managed to work around it? Oct 26 21:00:30 nope, I'm on 1.3 Oct 26 21:00:42 I also got it on 1.1.1 and 1.2 Oct 26 21:00:44 so meh Oct 26 21:00:55 so how you managed to upgrade? Oct 26 21:01:03 Scelt, meego works in a dual boot environment since 1.2 Oct 26 21:01:19 jacekowski, flashed the leaked image, which has the same md5 as the final one Oct 26 21:01:26 so I upgraded a week ago Oct 26 21:01:29 MohammadAG: what is this dualboot in 1.3 and how's it work? Oct 26 21:01:41 there isn't any damn dualboot Oct 26 21:01:49 it's only a kexec patched that was overhyped by some meego blog Oct 26 21:02:07 when uBoot is out, it gets chainloaded from NOLO Oct 26 21:02:17 then if you have a bootable sd card, it boots from it Oct 26 21:02:19 yeah fsck, pastebinit is borked Oct 26 21:02:24 that's it, it's not grub Oct 26 21:02:58 (kexec, dualboot) seems also see: Oct 26 21:03:00 kexec means you don't need to connect the usb cable to your pc to boot meego, i think Oct 26 21:03:01 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 21:03:02 somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 21:03:08 MohammadAG: so should I just wait for the better dualboot solution? Oct 26 21:03:15 ShadowJK, kexec loads a kernel Oct 26 21:03:42 yes Oct 26 21:03:59 tybollt: there's never been any prom.... err I said this 2 or 3 times last 24h Oct 26 21:04:05 yeah and before you had to use usb cable to tell nolo to load the meego kernel Oct 26 21:04:07 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ echo Test | pastebinit Oct 26 21:04:07 http://pastebin.com/VmraM9N5 Oct 26 21:04:10 package needs an update Oct 26 21:04:21 grrr Oct 26 21:04:24 it's not working Oct 26 21:04:26 MohammadAG: yup Oct 26 21:04:52 MohammadAG: UPDATE IT! :-P Oct 26 21:05:10 nah, first prepare that kernel for me Oct 26 21:05:11 hi Oct 26 21:05:24 hi, sad man Oct 26 21:05:37 lol Oct 26 21:05:37 err, ooops Oct 26 21:05:42 mental etab Oct 26 21:06:15 Nokia-N900:/# echo test | pastebinit Oct 26 21:06:16 http://pastebin.com/SEGrRPqR Oct 26 21:06:16 LOL Oct 26 21:06:28 DocScrutinizer, the maintainer's lazy Oct 26 21:06:33 took me less than 3 minutes Oct 26 21:06:50 MohammadAG: I wanna be able to choose to run maemo or meego at the boot without flash loading the meego kernel. is that possible at the moment? Oct 26 21:07:08 Scelt: yes Oct 26 21:07:13 oh Oct 26 21:07:17 maintainer retired :/ Oct 26 21:07:20 qwerty12 Oct 26 21:07:25 yeah Oct 26 21:07:29 he fucked off Oct 26 21:07:32 jacekowski: url to instructions? Oct 26 21:07:46 and posted quite a big rant Oct 26 21:07:52 inside of one of packages Oct 26 21:08:03 yes, I know Oct 26 21:08:22 Maintainer requested for Pastebinit Oct 26 21:08:44 any idea how many days untill Maemo.org stops being DDoS'd by people trying to go there about the Maemo update? Oct 26 21:09:07 jacekowski: so do you have any idea for opengl problem ? Oct 26 21:09:09 still pending. Oct 26 21:09:19 djszapi: not at the moment Oct 26 21:10:21 kinda shame I cannot use opengl on maemo Oct 26 21:10:21 hmm, it looks like there is no ssu for UK Oct 26 21:10:27 no packages in latest version Oct 26 21:10:28 header file simply just sucks. Oct 26 21:10:30 nothing is there Oct 26 21:11:06 pastebinit should be in? Oct 26 21:11:11 MohammadAG for presid.. err, pastebinit maintainer :-D Oct 26 21:11:13 user/system/user/utilities? Oct 26 21:11:29 WHAT?? Oct 26 21:11:36 any benefit on using the UK version vs flashing the global one? Oct 26 21:11:40 which user/ section... Oct 26 21:12:00 /usr/bin, or maybe /usr/local/bin I'd say Oct 26 21:12:12 ouch, section Oct 26 21:12:20 user/utilities I'd say Oct 26 21:12:22 TiagoTiago: you'll get updates slower Oct 26 21:12:43 possibly missig updates entirely Oct 26 21:12:45 I won't give a f.. f... about sections - they are useless anyway Oct 26 21:12:53 * timeless_mbp kicks DocScrutinizer Oct 26 21:12:58 I mean, any benefit of using the UK version? Oct 26 21:12:58 they're used by catorize Oct 26 21:13:04 TiagoTiago: that's the bneefit! Oct 26 21:13:10 timeless_mbp, CLI Oct 26 21:13:14 lol Oct 26 21:13:15 you get to wait longer for some idiot to do an extra useless round of testing Oct 26 21:13:21 which won't do anything Oct 26 21:13:51 DocScrutinizer, uploaded, wait 30 minutes Oct 26 21:14:05 MohammadAG: :-D Oct 26 21:14:12 heh Oct 26 21:15:14 it'll install. Seems friggin 1.3 & Qt borked virtually everything once again. Lart *4-m05 Oct 26 21:15:35 TiagoTiago: it's *very* valuable! Oct 26 21:15:47 don't pass up your opportunity to wait longer for the same software Oct 26 21:16:06 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 21:16:07 methinks pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 21:16:37 http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, 404 Oct 26 21:16:58 ah because xchat thought the , is part of the link Oct 26 21:16:58 lol Oct 26 21:17:13 I promise this time I won't give up silently and migrate to a borked most recent version just because repos are fubar and no more downloads possible for older PR versions. This time I'm going to become a nightmare for the dude in charge of it Oct 26 21:17:46 why we shouldn't do apt-get -dist-upgrade! ? Oct 26 21:18:17 because it breaks stuff Oct 26 21:18:22 lol Oct 26 21:18:33 err, where's my "hope" in front of "it'll install" ? Oct 26 21:18:37 the repositories aren't set up to do it Oct 26 21:19:11 that is lame Oct 26 21:19:49 why didn't they do it? Oct 26 21:19:54 * n900-dk wonder how to solve qt conflicts to update to 1.3.. Oct 26 21:20:16 well dist-upgrade doesn't work at all Oct 26 21:20:21 at least not here Oct 26 21:20:40 jacekowski: told you. Oct 26 21:20:42 is maemo.org down again? anyone knows what's up with that site? Oct 26 21:20:57 crashanddie: it just doesn't work Oct 26 21:20:59 ioan: if it's down, i don't think much is "up" Oct 26 21:21:02 ¡ /topic ! Oct 26 21:21:06 Someone forgot to patch apt-get to say "Unknowm command dist-upgrade" Oct 26 21:21:13 i'll probably wait till maemo.org stops being DDoS'd before installiong pr1.3 myself anyway Oct 26 21:21:23 crashanddie :-) Oct 26 21:21:38 is mo being DDoS'd? Oct 26 21:21:43 i'll end up flashing it Oct 26 21:22:04 is apple ddos-ing maemo? Oct 26 21:22:05 :-) Oct 26 21:22:22 i imagine it is, 'cause of all the people trying to go there about pr1.3 Oct 26 21:22:51 I couldn't bother less to install that friggin PR1.3 right now - regarding all the *new* bugs it gets us Oct 26 21:23:15 I'm trying to get there for the games from webos... where should I look for those games? I want to try some too Oct 26 21:24:03 i hid them in your back yard Oct 26 21:24:03 webos appstore? Oct 26 21:24:05 didn't somthing like this also happened when pr1.2 came out? Oct 26 21:24:16 yes Oct 26 21:24:23 even worse Oct 26 21:24:37 man doing my timesheets sucks Oct 26 21:24:53 wandered around talking to ppl = meeting Oct 26 21:24:57 I'm surprised this channel isn't overcrowed as well Oct 26 21:25:06 fell asleep at desk = analsys & design Oct 26 21:25:23 ate doughnut = test execution Oct 26 21:25:31 whar's your job? Oct 26 21:25:32 TiagoTiago: it is, you are here :-P Oct 26 21:25:49 uhhh a government, somewhere Oct 26 21:25:52 MohammadAG51: do you have mp-fremantle-203-pr or just mp-fremantle installed? Oct 26 21:25:53 TiagoTiago: it has been pretty busy for the past few days Oct 26 21:25:58 MohammadAG51: or something similiar? Oct 26 21:26:03 yep, absolutely Oct 26 21:26:04 TiagoTiago: also, "overcrowded" on FreeNode is quite different from other networks Oct 26 21:26:34 most networks would kill to have a channel this big (500+ users) Oct 26 21:27:00 Well, I guess Hans Reiser actually did, kill somebody. After that, #reiserfs was unbearably big. Oct 26 21:27:03 been a while since last 500+ Oct 26 21:27:16 i mean, at least enough people to have too many people talking simultaneouslly to be easy to follow any given convo Oct 26 21:27:18 maybe in 2 minutes again :-P Oct 26 21:27:35 i can invite some people Oct 26 21:27:37 yeah since tmo won't stay up, ppl flood this chan now Oct 26 21:27:44 lol Oct 26 21:27:46 499 Oct 26 21:27:55 help help i need to complain, urgently Oct 26 21:27:57 498 Oct 26 21:27:59 499 Oct 26 21:28:00 we got one minute Oct 26 21:28:08 left Oct 26 21:28:19 but for these few minutes iMve been here, it hasn't been too noisy at all Oct 26 21:28:22 Does kernel-power work on pr1.3? It conflicts with kernel-maemo and kernel-maemo-modules, should I remove them? I need it to do fsck. Oct 26 21:28:28 500 Oct 26 21:28:33 * brik is so tempted to leave now Oct 26 21:28:33 \o/ Oct 26 21:28:39 lulz Oct 26 21:29:06 it's below feezing and snow outside here :( Oct 26 21:29:29 * DocScrutinizer wonders how many users fired up a second identity just for the fun of it Oct 26 21:30:09 * TiagoTiago hands Creamy a cup of hot cocoa Oct 26 21:30:12 DocScrutinizer, qwerty12 accepted my request Oct 26 21:30:24 well, we can be proud, with 500 users, we're representing 0.8% of freenode :) Oct 26 21:30:41 lol Oct 26 21:30:53 MohammadAG51: duh! Oct 26 21:30:58 MohammadAG51: what request? Oct 26 21:31:12 pastebinit Oct 26 21:31:17 aah, your request to become king Oct 26 21:31:28 http://maemo.org/packages/view/pastebinit/ expected him to take time Oct 26 21:31:31 * crashanddie sets mode +k MohammadAG51 Oct 26 21:31:37 what percentage of channels also have 500+ people? Oct 26 21:31:50 * MohammadAG51 sets mode +b crashanddie Oct 26 21:33:04 1/1000 Oct 26 21:33:17 hello! Oct 26 21:33:26 TiagoTiago: #maemo is Freenode's 22nd channel. Oct 26 21:33:54 theres like 20 / 26k over 500 Oct 26 21:33:54 wow Oct 26 21:33:55 guess where's #ubuntu Oct 26 21:34:00 i disabled all repos except ssu repo Oct 26 21:34:02 and it's working Oct 26 21:34:28 it wouldn't mean much if channels from 23 to 700 had about 499 people on each Oct 26 21:34:35 has anyone windows here? Oct 26 21:34:39 CreamyG: there's like 20k / 26k virtual or dead channels too Oct 26 21:34:48 lol Oct 26 21:34:50 we tie if you add qt + meego + maemo :D Oct 26 21:35:12 althogh its probalby the same 500 ppl in each Oct 26 21:35:16 Does kernel-power work on pr1.3? It conflicts with kernel-maemo and kernel-maemo-modules, should I remove them? I need it to do fsck. Oct 26 21:35:32 fcrochik: you about? Oct 26 21:35:38 TiagoTiago: first channel with under 400 users is 36 Oct 26 21:35:48 Aranel: it doesn't Oct 26 21:36:03 jacekowski: d'oh :| thanks. :) Oct 26 21:36:08 would there be a way to do the update using commandline and t(temporarilly) redirecting the tmp folder to the bigger partition to not need to clean up rootfs? Oct 26 21:36:13 Aranel: no, don't remove them Oct 26 21:36:16 i see Oct 26 21:36:17 Aranel: please read backscroll! Oct 26 21:36:23 TiagoTiago: i did it like that Oct 26 21:36:30 TiagoTiago: to do 1.1 ->1.2 Oct 26 21:36:34 but it was tricky Oct 26 21:36:49 fcrochik: was just wondering what you had encoded in that 1x1" business card qrcode of yours? Oct 26 21:37:09 lol, #maemo has 120 more users than #windows! woohoo! Oct 26 21:37:18 lol Oct 26 21:37:20 lol Oct 26 21:37:22 Does the N900 have the ability to detect movement (eg. tilting the phone), like the iphone? Oct 26 21:37:30 sjk: yes Oct 26 21:37:33 sjk: yes, it has an accelerometer Oct 26 21:37:42 what doesn't Oct 26 21:37:49 sjk: it doesn't have a giroscope, like the iphone 4 does, however. Oct 26 21:37:53 gyroscope? Oct 26 21:38:00 we don't have a compass either Oct 26 21:38:05 indeed Oct 26 21:38:08 magnetometer crashanddie Oct 26 21:38:13 periscope? Oct 26 21:38:22 stfuscope Oct 26 21:38:23 stylus = periscome Oct 26 21:38:27 uhhh Oct 26 21:38:28 gyroscope, yes Oct 26 21:38:29 u know what i meant Oct 26 21:38:30 I see Oct 26 21:38:31 Thanks! Oct 26 21:38:53 colloscope Oct 26 21:38:56 crashanddie, gtfoscope Oct 26 21:39:05 dragly: Did you manage to test a home build? I've just re-built the pythonqt plugin and it won't load Oct 26 21:39:18 MohammadAG51: lemonparty.oscope Oct 26 21:39:33 * MohammadAG51 runs Oct 26 21:39:38 I WIN Oct 26 21:40:00 * MohammadAG51 gets butcher's knife and runs back Oct 26 21:40:15 * crashanddie throws banana peels on the floor Oct 26 21:40:34 * CreamyG goes back to doing timecards Oct 26 21:40:37 * MohammadAG51 trips and throws knife towards crashanddie Oct 26 21:40:54 *matrix slowmo* Oct 26 21:41:01 * DocScrutinizer sets mode +stfukids * Oct 26 21:41:04 * crashanddie evades but sustains -5 charisma from being hit in the face with a wiped out banana peel Oct 26 21:41:19 in an SB upgrade, should I see packages which have been "kept back"? Oct 26 21:41:40 depends if the movers took them or not, check the attic, lardman. Oct 26 21:41:49 new pastebinit in repo Oct 26 21:41:57 cc DocScrutinizer Oct 26 21:41:58 * chem|st casts white rabbits all over the place and cries REVENGE Oct 26 21:42:09 apt-g.. err Oct 26 21:42:21 wfm Oct 26 21:42:26 apt-get update :P Oct 26 21:42:28 I want infobot to understand apt-get Oct 26 21:42:39 so that we can apt-get remove $ircUsername Oct 26 21:42:48 and apt-get remove $ircUsername --purge Oct 26 21:42:54 LOL Oct 26 21:43:16 wrong syntax Oct 26 21:43:25 yeah yeah, you get the idea Oct 26 21:43:26 ~silence Oct 26 21:43:32 I didn't say I implemented apt :P Oct 26 21:43:34 meh, fail Oct 26 21:43:48 it'll try to remove --purge Oct 26 21:43:50 which fails Oct 26 21:44:04 Guys, do you think it's possible to disable autostart of the cammera if lens cover is opened? Oct 26 21:44:05 well, it shouldn;'t Oct 26 21:44:17 MohammadAG51: linux specification says that if an argument Oct 26 21:44:20 crap Oct 26 21:44:22 omg apt-get update, though it worked nevertheless, but pastebinit doesn't Oct 26 21:44:30 D-man: yes Oct 26 21:44:34 dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui Oct 26 21:44:39 D-man: do you think that bananas can go brown? Oct 26 21:44:50 i don't know.. do they? Oct 26 21:44:54 or edit file in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/17camera-ui Oct 26 21:44:56 iirc Oct 26 21:44:59 MohammadAG51: linux specification says that if a data argument starting with one or two hyphens is expected, it should be passed along as -- Oct 26 21:45:08 D-man: what MohammadAG51 said! Oct 26 21:45:14 MohammadAG51: as in: ./test -- --foo Oct 26 21:45:20 ok.. will look at it, thanks! Oct 26 21:45:23 apt is retarded in terms of arguments Oct 26 21:45:23 * DocScrutinizer <<-- idiot. replaced pastebinit with same version Oct 26 21:45:33 it has to be before the command Oct 26 21:45:47 apt-get update && apt-get install pastebinit :p Oct 26 21:45:59 without the smiley Oct 26 21:46:01 D-man: tweakr prevents the slide from unlocking the screen Oct 26 21:46:03 by the way Oct 26 21:46:11 MohammadAG51: I'm learning... rpm Oct 26 21:46:21 D-man: and anotherone makes a configurable button out of it Oct 26 21:46:23 crashanddie, does it hurt? Oct 26 21:46:26 failed in buffer_write(fd) (10, ret=-1): backend dpkg-deb during `./usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so': No space left on device Oct 26 21:46:29 oi Oct 26 21:46:31 GAN900: well, less than deb :D Oct 26 21:46:45 GAN900: I have to say, building a .rpm is a lot less painful than building a .deb Oct 26 21:47:04 Huh Oct 26 21:47:04 dragly: was apparently my lack of a dist- in my apt-get command Oct 26 21:47:12 can pidgin do file transfer for gtalk? Oct 26 21:47:25 trumee: nope Oct 26 21:47:33 trumee: not on ubuntu, last I checked Oct 26 21:47:55 * DocScrutinizer stares at fremantle-1.2/free Packages [2781kB] fremantle/free Packages [6014kB] Oct 26 21:48:05 is there any way to send a file to a gtalk user via IM? Oct 26 21:48:16 nope Oct 26 21:48:24 crap Oct 26 21:48:36 +1 Oct 26 21:48:42 just broke my sb somehow Oct 26 21:48:44 just email it? Oct 26 21:48:47 NOOOOOOoooo Oct 26 21:49:07 The following extra packages will be installed: Oct 26 21:49:09 python-configobj Oct 26 21:49:15 after upgrade grr uses black bakcground so its impossible to read text if font color is also black (and it happens mostly). maybe u know any solution? Oct 26 21:49:26 TiagoTiago, yes guess no workaround Oct 26 21:50:12 FSCKNG FREAKIN SCARY SHIT Oct 26 21:51:00 juozapas: more information required. What application are you talking about? Oct 26 21:51:12 it would be great if someone released a Hildon, GTK, qt etc that automaticly detects and fixes when text and background colors are the same Oct 26 21:51:55 TiagoTiago: it would be great if someone released a python interpreter, and also gcc/g++ compilers that automatically detect when you made a typo, and fix it. Oct 26 21:51:56 * ZogG hugs DocScrutinizer Oct 26 21:52:03 um.. there's no 17camera-ui in /etc/X11/Xsession.d/ ... Oct 26 21:52:14 crashanddie: grr. progam to read rss from google reader Oct 26 21:52:16 lol Oct 26 21:52:35 MohammadAG51: is pastebinit depending on python-configobj? Oct 26 21:52:38 juozapas: what's the name of the app? Can you take a screenshot? Oct 26 21:52:50 What do you lot get by way of include paths when building in scratchbox? I'm getting some wierd paths turning up i.e. the full path to the dir from outside of SB Oct 26 21:52:53 http://maemo.pastebin.com/fFqdJBsz Oct 26 21:53:16 crashanddie: sorry i dont know how to make a ss via n900 :) Oct 26 21:53:28 ~screenshot Oct 26 21:53:28 well, screenshot is 'import -window root screenshot.jpg' (requires imagemagick), or The Gimp's 'acquire -> screenshot' feature. The package scrot does a nice job too, command line, date & size shot at and png format. or man xwd Oct 26 21:53:33 wtf Oct 26 21:53:40 hmm Oct 26 21:53:50 control-shift-P Oct 26 21:53:53 I'm surprised at how responsive pr1.3 is under heavy CPU load Oct 26 21:54:07 it goes where photos go i think Oct 26 21:54:20 DocScrutinizer, i think so, yes Oct 26 21:54:35 there is screenshot dir Oct 26 21:54:38 but it goes there Oct 26 21:54:41 oh, ok Oct 26 21:54:45 lol Oct 26 21:54:47 TiagoTiago: yea thx Oct 26 21:54:47 MohammadAG51: and will python-configobj in turn mess up and rape my whole system? Oct 26 21:54:47 there is command package for maemo too Oct 26 21:55:18 why should it Oct 26 21:55:24 TiagoTiago, ZogG ~/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots Oct 26 21:55:31 grr Oct 26 21:55:37 dependencies on fsckit-4-m05 Oct 26 21:55:38 i just upgraded modem Oct 26 21:55:41 DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG51 maybe wgetpaste can be installed too Oct 26 21:55:43 ok powerkernel got lost it looks like, kismet is now broken Oct 26 21:55:43 for example Oct 26 21:56:00 ~kismet Oct 26 21:56:01 hmm... kismet is http://www.kismetwireless.net/ Oct 26 21:56:10 ah Oct 26 21:56:29 nox-: please read backscroll Oct 26 21:56:51 of course a kernel update will replace power kernel (only if you're lucky) Oct 26 21:57:20 so i could just reinstall it? Oct 26 21:57:27 nox-: please read backscroll Oct 26 21:57:43 rootfs 227.9M 226.6M 0 100% / Oct 26 21:57:45 do I win? :P Oct 26 21:58:08 FIQ: i just had same thing Oct 26 21:58:31 i had it go 100% full some days ago, couldn't even create temp files Oct 26 21:58:49 FIQ: winners start at 250 of 227.9MB used Oct 26 21:58:56 Why doesn't anything happen when i sudo apt-get clean? D: Oct 26 21:59:03 lol Oct 26 21:59:08 how do you use that much Oct 26 21:59:18 120% Oct 26 21:59:27 :p Oct 26 21:59:36 use the power Oct 26 21:59:46 the force Oct 26 21:59:52 lol Oct 26 21:59:53 dark side... Oct 26 22:00:09 * nox- only found Aranel: please read backscroll! - i think my backscroll doesnt go back far enough... Oct 26 22:00:21 FIQ: rootfs is ubifs, it won't immediately free up space of deleted files Oct 26 22:00:49 k Oct 26 22:00:53 interesting Oct 26 22:01:04 crashanddie, pidgin seems to have file transfer support Oct 26 22:01:07 "the force is like ducktape, it has a light and a dark side and it keeps universe together" Oct 26 22:01:16 haha Oct 26 22:01:37 trumee: hmm, does it depend on target support of file transfer? Oct 26 22:01:43 lcuk: http://www.ted.com/talks/pranav_mistry_the_thrilling_potential_of_sixthsense_technology.html Oct 26 22:01:54 Whatever, can i do somethingg or am i screwed? :p Oct 26 22:02:01 As, for example, apt-get seems to do nothing Oct 26 22:02:08 er Oct 26 22:02:10 apt-get clean* Oct 26 22:03:06 crashanddie: http://img514.imageshack.us/img514/5075/screenshot2010102623523.png Oct 26 22:03:22 crashanddie, no idea. i have yet to send a file. Oct 26 22:04:01 nox-: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T23:50:55 Oct 26 22:04:28 ah ok, thx Oct 26 22:04:36 crashanddie: oh update just came of grr Oct 26 22:05:28 FIQ: usually reboot will free up space, if you deleted some files previously Oct 26 22:06:26 be back in a bit, pizza is here Oct 26 22:06:28 I performed the PR upgrade, as the application manager refused to show me the upgrade, doesn't apt free up some temp space when it encounters an error? Oct 26 22:08:31 errr... Oct 26 22:08:34 ~flashing Oct 26 22:08:35 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 26 22:08:45 to answer your next question Oct 26 22:09:09 Heh, so i guess i'm screwed then. :p Oct 26 22:09:10 see /topic Oct 26 22:09:16 But i've done it before, np Oct 26 22:09:20 FIQ: no... you ran into a nice little nokia present... Oct 26 22:10:10 * FIQ|n900 tries reboot as last hope but is not optimistic Oct 26 22:10:13 FIQ: apt isn't related to app manager Oct 26 22:10:22 FIQ: did you have some fancy 3D games installed? Oct 26 22:10:23 crashanddie: after grr update everythings ok Oct 26 22:10:33 cool Oct 26 22:10:35 no Oct 26 22:10:37 i hadn't Oct 26 22:10:40 dont reboot! Oct 26 22:10:43 ok Oct 26 22:11:09 i've storage usage installed, can check what takes space. :p Oct 26 22:11:44 does apt-get upgrade tell anything special? Oct 26 22:12:00 answer NO! Oct 26 22:12:06 FIQ: healthcheck? Oct 26 22:12:12 uuuuhm Oct 26 22:12:15 ...to apt-get upgrade Oct 26 22:12:17 usr 267MB Oct 26 22:13:02 chem|st: nope Oct 26 22:13:32 DocScrutinizer: does apt-get upgrade still ask to confirm? Oct 26 22:13:48 dunno, it did in former times Oct 26 22:14:00 lib 186MB bin 75.2MB Oct 26 22:14:14 ...why does php take up that much space Oct 26 22:14:18 * FIQ attempt to remove it Oct 26 22:14:22 FIQ: what is df -h telling about / and /home? Oct 26 22:14:43 du -x /|sort -n Oct 26 22:14:45 /dev/mmcblk0p2 26.6G 7.2G 18.0G 29% /home Oct 26 22:14:53 rootfs 227.9M 224.1M 0 100% / Oct 26 22:15:03 lol Oct 26 22:15:29 HAHAHAHA 26G /home and 100% / Oct 26 22:16:06 this repartitioning was a real success story Oct 26 22:16:31 Hm, yeah, that thing worked just fine Oct 26 22:16:53 might be not enough space... mv locales archive to home and slink it for a few minutes then uninstall some crap and mv it back where it was Oct 26 22:17:20 I doubt it will even uninstall in this state Oct 26 22:17:47 100% / == full stop deadlock Oct 26 22:17:51 does apt-get autoclean do anything (that was on another partition since 1.2 isnt it?) Oct 26 22:17:57 Yay Oct 26 22:18:01 2.7M free Oct 26 22:18:02 in root Oct 26 22:18:16 DocScrutinizer: he has the root backupspace left... Oct 26 22:18:22 3MB lol Oct 26 22:18:39 3.6M Oct 26 22:19:00 you need to free at least 50... Oct 26 22:19:06 check var/ for bogus shit Oct 26 22:19:19 50M is not even close to what it needs Oct 26 22:19:23 packages take up 70 Oct 26 22:19:25 or more Oct 26 22:19:51 You're talking about temporary space now, aren't you? Oct 26 22:19:54 jacekowski: I thought the package cache has left / and moved somewhere /home? Oct 26 22:20:16 Because, then a simple symlink would probably do it if you do it right Oct 26 22:20:23 I witnessed microB/mediaplayer spooling mediastreams to /var/foo* and filling up rootfs for example Oct 26 22:20:39 chem|st: nope Oct 26 22:20:42 var is just 19MB Oct 26 22:20:47 not on mine anyways Oct 26 22:20:48 it's usr that is the problem Oct 26 22:20:49 DocScrutinizer, :( Oct 26 22:20:53 ... Oct 26 22:21:01 Now storage usage shows 302MB usage there Oct 26 22:21:08 325* Oct 26 22:21:10 ouh nice youtube now recognizes n900 as mobile and streams as default and mediaplayer has no decoder... Oct 26 22:21:22 * DocScrutinizer cackles satanically Oct 26 22:21:35 FIQ: *NOW* you're a winner Oct 26 22:22:09 The biggest problem seems to be my locale dir Oct 26 22:22:09 FIQ: try sync Oct 26 22:22:14 23M there Oct 26 22:22:30 heard it triggers garbage collector on ubifs Oct 26 22:22:44 FIQ: that is the locale-archive... Oct 26 22:23:11 btw is the gps `compass' totally unreliable for you guys too? Oct 26 22:23:25 points in all kinds of directions here... Oct 26 22:23:29 there's no such thing like a GPS compass Oct 26 22:23:30 nox-: you have to move Oct 26 22:23:40 nox-: at quite high speed Oct 26 22:23:41 nox-: move Oct 26 22:23:45 jacekowski, oh Oct 26 22:23:53 jacekowski: walking is enough Oct 26 22:24:14 funny i pull out the wall charger and get the usuall mass storage dialog box. Oct 26 22:24:21 argh, modest (is that what it's called?) seems bad at handling mail with a text/html part, even if a text/plain version is available. It will require me to scroll around horizontally to read the text as if it was rendering in a HTML window like you might see on a desktop. Oct 26 22:24:29 still it shows the vector of your movement, which is NOT == oreintation of device Oct 26 22:24:31 nox-: there are no magnetic compass in no n900's world.. Oct 26 22:24:51 i c... Oct 26 22:25:27 WOW Oct 26 22:25:29 it's working Oct 26 22:25:31 That is a pretty spectacular fail. Is there at least a setting I can change to make it prefer text/plain? Oct 26 22:25:44 magnetic compass aka orientation and GPS vector aka movement direction are unrealted compementary data Oct 26 22:26:14 unrelated complementary* Oct 26 22:26:34 Now usr is just 244M as storage-usage says Oct 26 22:27:33 FIQ: won't make us feel any better Oct 26 22:28:02 19N free :d Oct 26 22:28:05 M* Oct 26 22:28:12 enough for a reboot Oct 26 22:28:14 man stupid little niggles like this make me wonder if I was so wise in ditching Android after all. :( Oct 26 22:28:26 I hope Meego does better. Oct 26 22:28:31 eh? Oct 26 22:29:04 seems little bit faster Oct 26 22:29:12 mail app brokeness, hard to access phone functionality (missing hard buttons), Conversations bugs, etc. Oct 26 22:29:15 hmm, no Oct 26 22:29:17 i take that back Oct 26 22:29:19 stay with android! it won't allow to install extras-devel pkgs until device bursts Oct 26 22:29:41 ooh, this. Oct 26 22:29:45 WOW Oct 26 22:29:46 ~1.3 Oct 26 22:29:48 DocScrutinizer, oh, I am well aware. I absolutely love having a real community repository of *actual* free software. That's the part Android gets spectacularly wrong. Oct 26 22:29:49 modest is fast Oct 26 22:29:51 ish Oct 26 22:29:58 it's not as bad as it used to be Oct 26 22:30:02 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 22:30:02 i'm amazed Oct 26 22:30:02 somebody said pr1.3 was the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 22:30:04 And, now i've 27M free, so now reboot. :p Oct 26 22:30:27 Also, why didn't Nokia publish an actual changelog for PR1.3? Oct 26 22:30:29 What incantation I must chant after installing a icon file into /usr/share/icons/hicolor/64x64/apps to see it on my app (referenced in .desktop file) rather than just a blue square? Oct 26 22:30:29 jacekowski: check your conversations Oct 26 22:30:41 gtk-update-icon-cache seems bogus now Oct 26 22:30:45 jacekowski: particularly SMS Oct 26 22:30:53 And, about people filling up root with crap, they have just themself to punish. :3 Oct 26 22:30:54 btw whats going on with talk? all day connection probs. now database error Oct 26 22:30:56 i don't care about that Oct 26 22:31:00 nobody sends me smses Oct 26 22:31:10 and i don't send smses as well Oct 26 22:31:15 flexxxxv: pr1.3 has brought in the masses Oct 26 22:31:20 I wouldn't really classify me as smart when using Maemo, and i've never done anything in the right way really Oct 26 22:31:22 zap: the incantation is like "reboot" Oct 26 22:31:22 jacekowski: either Oct 26 22:31:26 I have a feeling that if I want a free software mobile OS that is actually useful, my only hope is to contribute to meego. Oct 26 22:31:32 DocScrutinizer: that doesnt work Oct 26 22:31:43 hmm Oct 26 22:31:45 orospakr: glwt Oct 26 22:31:56 let's blame tracker :P Oct 26 22:31:57 (changing shell with /etc/passwd, force read of my .bashrc with modding profile.d, always having -devel on because of laziness, etc, etc) Oct 26 22:31:58 But that is a little dumb because as a customer I play companies like Nokia to make the software work well when I buy a phone from them. Oct 26 22:32:05 s/play/pay/ Oct 26 22:32:06 orospakr meant: But that is a little dumb because as a customer I pay companies like Nokia to make the software work well when I buy a phone from them. Oct 26 22:32:19 I expected my root being full some day, np Oct 26 22:33:41 on that note, is there documentation yet on how to use the "dual boot" feature of PR1.3 to run dev builds of Meego? Oct 26 22:34:19 hmmm, something is broken Oct 26 22:34:25 i don't have feedback from screen Oct 26 22:34:28 it's not vibrating Oct 26 22:34:41 check your senses Oct 26 22:34:48 crashanddie: jacekowski: so does that mean you're supporting Nokia when they close that friggin "SMS vanish" ticket with another WONTFIX? Oct 26 22:35:02 DocScrutinizer: no Oct 26 22:35:02 orospakr: I use (not own) the n900 now for about 8 month and apart of some bugs (most have workarounds or communitypatches) I am glad to not be an iPrank or google addict Oct 26 22:35:12 DocScrutinizer: I was correcting his english Oct 26 22:35:22 * DocScrutinizer nods, shaking fist Oct 26 22:35:24 DocScrutinizer: he used "as well" instead of "either" Oct 26 22:35:51 hmmm, i think i'll flash it Oct 26 22:35:55 orospakr: google kexec-tools Oct 26 22:36:04 flash and burn Oct 26 22:36:33 lol Oct 26 22:36:40 yeah Oct 26 22:36:43 no sound Oct 26 22:36:45 no vibrations Oct 26 22:36:48 something went wrong Oct 26 22:36:55 jacekowski: ouch Oct 26 22:37:55 PR-1.3-666 Oct 26 22:38:05 are mo and tmo in different servers? Oct 26 22:38:15 yup, afaik Oct 26 22:38:38 * DocScrutinizer points TiagoTiago to the nice cmds dig and host Oct 26 22:39:12 are those cmds avaiable on the N900's xterm? Oct 26 22:39:21 night all Oct 26 22:39:29 good question, next question please Oct 26 22:39:43 night crashanddie Oct 26 22:40:42 52M free in root Oct 26 22:40:51 how much do i need for PR1.3 upgrading work flawless? Oct 26 22:41:49 +infinity Oct 26 22:42:45 TiagoTiago: not even the same continent mo and tmo Oct 26 22:42:53 hmm, no uk variant for 1.3 Oct 26 22:43:25 jacekowski: I do not even know why there is one for 1.2... Oct 26 22:43:56 wow Oct 26 22:44:08 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 22:44:08 pr1.3 is probably the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 22:45:45 ~flashing Oct 26 22:45:45 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 26 22:46:10 I wish there was some automated poll showing how popular each theme for the N900 is Oct 26 22:47:09 i feel that themes make the device more slow ( using it ) Oct 26 22:47:21 because of that i come back to the original everytime Oct 26 22:47:25 TiagoTiago: >>lookup - A gckraphical DNS lookup utility that supports DNSSEC.<< if you give it a try, then please report ba Oct 26 22:47:31 ck Oct 26 22:48:12 TiagoTiago: dallas.tx.ibone.comcast.net for tmo and heltli1.fi.elisa.net for maemo.org Oct 26 22:48:26 interesting Oct 26 22:49:08 TiagoTiago: tmo is internettablettalk.com hosted in dallas Oct 26 22:49:11 * DocScrutinizer curses this touchpad and the bloody xserver switch that broke all touchpad tools Oct 26 22:49:16 hm, any idea why i am not getting any response when i try to ping maemo.org? Oct 26 22:49:39 dns problems ? Oct 26 22:49:52 it loads with the browser Oct 26 22:49:53 or icmp block Oct 26 22:49:59 TiagoTiago: not all servers respond to pings Oct 26 22:50:21 why? Oct 26 22:50:42 to annoy you Oct 26 22:50:48 hehe Oct 26 22:50:50 mostly that, yeah Oct 26 22:50:57 no, probably a filter on the routers. There have been ping-based Denial of Service attacks ... Oct 26 22:50:58 i can ping google. com for example, so its probably not an issue on my side Oct 26 22:51:04 hm Oct 26 22:51:06 TiagoTiago: some DoS attack make use of the icmp reply Oct 26 22:51:34 i see Oct 26 22:51:35 it's kinda silly Oct 26 22:51:42 it's not even apmplifying Oct 26 22:52:22 shit, I'm lurking here instead of finishing the presentation due tomorrow morning .. Oct 26 22:52:24 it's almost as silly as hidden SSIDs are Oct 26 22:52:45 but really just almost Oct 26 22:52:54 TiagoTiago: few years ago google.org was requested to move IP by a random person and it did proceed... Oct 26 22:52:55 or magnetic fuel optimizers on cars Oct 26 22:53:02 hrhrhrrrr Oct 26 22:53:05 ddoses are scary Oct 26 22:53:37 s/move/change Oct 26 22:53:41 chem: route change icmp request isn't same thing as icmp echo Oct 26 22:53:43 is there any other way to prevent the ping reply DDoS other than crippling the ping functionality all over the web? Oct 26 22:53:55 ShadowJK: ack Oct 26 22:53:55 nokia software QA team are scary ( or i think it is ) Oct 26 22:54:05 ShadowJK: thats not what I am talking about Oct 26 22:54:06 lol Oct 26 22:54:32 it was a full stated dns change Oct 26 22:55:04 who owned google.org? Oct 26 22:55:05 the stupid way is to ignore all icmp, which breaks stuff. then you can just drop icmp route thingy, which is kinda half smart. or you could like do source route checking so that people can't spoof source IP anymore Oct 26 22:55:18 TiagoTiago: aiui there's no such thing like a ICMP ECHO aka ping based DDoS Oct 26 22:55:24 chem|ist: ok so that has nothing to do with icmp then Oct 26 22:55:35 the admin excused it with that he never believed anyone would try that and put the request through Oct 26 22:55:35 sounds plausible Oct 26 22:55:47 DocScrutinizer: not now Oct 26 22:55:59 ShadowJK: nope just with google... Oct 26 22:56:05 i remember one in 1996 Oct 26 22:56:16 there's been a ping of death in former times Oct 26 22:56:26 I'm absolutely shocked that it's 2010 and I can send out packets with arbitrary source IPs over the internet and watch them arrive at a server on a different isp in a different country Oct 26 22:56:35 send lots of ping requests for thousands of servers spoofing the origin and the responses will hit the target in weight Oct 26 22:56:48 ShadowJK: so what? Oct 26 22:57:20 TiagoTiago's example ;p Oct 26 22:57:22 TiagoTiago: or send all those pings directly to the target :-P Oct 26 22:57:26 That is kinda an essential functionality for mobile IP, no? Oct 26 22:57:47 mobile IP is a myth Oct 26 22:57:52 lol Oct 26 22:57:57 besides, replies wont go anywhere Oct 26 22:58:27 DocScrutinizer, iirc one kind of death ping involved setting source address to the broadcast address ;p Oct 26 22:58:53 HOORAY - no "meh, pr1.3 doesn't upgrade for me" foo for >5min Oct 26 22:59:02 haha Oct 26 22:59:11 meh it did upgrade but phone got fucked up Oct 26 22:59:23 ShadowJK: thats why routers deny that Oct 26 22:59:35 chem|st: bs Oct 26 22:59:41 chem|st: routers have nothing to do with it Oct 26 22:59:46 ShadowJK: yup, a nice one Oct 26 22:59:52 chem|st: broadcasts are not passed between broadcast domains Oct 26 22:59:57 at least for me it seems to have worked, i only have to wait for an updated power kernel now... Oct 26 23:00:06 oh also, /ctcp #channel +++ATH0 was fun back in the days Oct 26 23:00:10 chem|st: and it's routers that separate broadcast domains Oct 26 23:00:11 haha Oct 26 23:00:51 ShadowJK: LOL Oct 26 23:00:58 jacekowski: pardon Oct 26 23:01:17 00:55 < chem|st> ShadowJK: thats why routers deny that Oct 26 23:01:22 but pr1.3 *doesn't* upgrade for me! Oct 26 23:01:24 jacekowski, there's a missing detail in it, it was possible to set computers inside a broadcast domain off from the outside, to start generating pakctes which made other machines reply to broadcast which made other machines reply, etc Oct 26 23:01:43 hah, kerio lost the game Oct 26 23:01:49 :-P Oct 26 23:01:56 ShadowJK: but that's bug in implementation Oct 26 23:02:01 ShadowJK: that's why it was working at all Oct 26 23:02:05 sure Oct 26 23:02:33 is HAM any faster in 1.3? Oct 26 23:02:38 ping storm Oct 26 23:04:35 NY primetime, Asia early morning, let's see if we hit the 500 again in a few minutes Oct 26 23:05:11 * DocScrutinizer yawns Oct 26 23:05:25 hmmm i can remain the emmc untouch and just flash the fiasco ? Oct 26 23:05:31 yes Oct 26 23:05:35 look like the same Oct 26 23:05:44 hi all, running maemo4 nokia N810 here, and i am getting memory leaks from multiple maemo-launcher processes, any way to fix this? Oct 26 23:05:45 good Oct 26 23:06:01 E0x: not the best idea as it leaves some crap Oct 26 23:06:10 meh Oct 26 23:06:13 i will anyway reflash emmc too , for some real testing Oct 26 23:06:25 jacekowski: yes , that is what i think too Oct 26 23:06:46 GuySoft: every thing you start is a maemo-launcher process Oct 26 23:07:03 ShadowJK, ok, so is there a way to find which are the bad ones? Oct 26 23:07:06 E0x: jacekowski: odds are you're going the same crap again after upgrade, so implicitly cleaning up Oct 26 23:07:20 Shadikka, they are really getting it stuck Oct 26 23:07:27 s/gioing/going to install/ Oct 26 23:07:28 DocScrutinizer: :D Oct 26 23:07:51 guysoft: i forget but maybe htop shows the true name Oct 26 23:07:56 s/going/going to install/ whatever Oct 26 23:08:06 ah it does Oct 26 23:08:13 i stop using extra-testing since 1.2 Oct 26 23:08:38 i think package in extra that not work in lasted update need downgrade to testing Oct 26 23:08:40 or something Oct 26 23:09:25 E0x: pkgs that don't work aren't supposed to be in extras anyway Oct 26 23:09:30 * GuySoft installing htop Oct 26 23:10:06 ShadowJK, ok, thanks, ill use that to monitor whats causing the havoc Oct 26 23:10:43 * E0x hungry Oct 26 23:14:38 Yay, done freeing up root space Oct 26 23:15:16 i'm heading off, cya Oct 26 23:15:18 ended up with 71.8M when i uninstalled random applications, symlinked locales to home, and moved dpkg's temporary download directory (why is it still in root per default...?) Oct 26 23:15:20 by Oct 26 23:15:20 e Oct 26 23:17:17 what was name of that better menu app? Oct 26 23:18:11 catorize? Oct 26 23:18:16 f something Oct 26 23:18:18 other one Oct 26 23:18:21 or do you mean the one who let's you make directories? Oct 26 23:18:24 apmefo Oct 26 23:18:27 because, then i dunno Oct 26 23:18:29 yeah Oct 26 23:18:30 that one Oct 26 23:18:35 apmefo Oct 26 23:19:13 ... Oct 26 23:19:23 Why didn't i move apt's directory way ago? Oct 26 23:19:45 yeah - that on Oct 26 23:19:49 This seems to make my life easier, now my root doesn't go low everytime i install something Oct 26 23:20:07 is there a power kernel for pr 1.3 already available? Oct 26 23:20:23 is there some drawbacks with having it on MMC, or do Nokia fail? Oct 26 23:20:46 Pillum: no Oct 26 23:21:03 FIQ: which folder did you moved? Oct 26 23:21:11 /var/lib/dpkg Oct 26 23:21:36 and whats in there? Oct 26 23:21:40 (and symlinked the old one, obviously) Oct 26 23:21:58 Temporary downloaded .deb's, info about installed packages (iirc?) Oct 26 23:22:11 with MMC u mean SD card? Oct 26 23:22:16 or emmc? Oct 26 23:22:21 No, eMMC Oct 26 23:22:28 the 32GB one Oct 26 23:23:17 the disadvantage is that your maemo os cannot have access to it, while your phone is connected to pc via mass storage or pc suite mode Oct 26 23:23:26 and its slower Oct 26 23:23:33 then the root Oct 26 23:23:54 The first thing don't apply for me as I've repartitioned Oct 26 23:24:10 FIQ, where did you move the folder to? Oct 26 23:24:17 /home/opt/* ? Oct 26 23:24:22 yes Oct 26 23:24:24 good Oct 26 23:24:29 /opt/var/lib/dpkg Oct 26 23:24:31 thats not part of the 29gb FAT partition of mydocs Oct 26 23:24:52 About the fact that eMMC is slower, I don't really think that would be such a high disadventage for something like dpkg Oct 26 23:25:01 Yeah, i know Oct 26 23:25:31 for what its worth, afaik the debs are downloaded in the /var/cache/apt folder Oct 26 23:25:45 dpkg knows nothing of downloading ;) Oct 26 23:25:58 you moved the database to there though Oct 26 23:26:24 Ah, ok Oct 26 23:26:45 ...Wouldn't that mean that the PR upgrade would take rootspace as crazy? Oct 26 23:26:53 Because everything is downloaded atm, and it's installing Oct 26 23:26:59 and i still have 73.8M free Oct 26 23:27:13 /var/cache/apt is already moved to opt - it was something specific in 1.2 Oct 26 23:27:19 Oh, ok Oct 26 23:27:21 lo lcuk Oct 26 23:27:41 hi doc Oct 26 23:29:58 lcuk: isn't HAM using a completely different location for cache anyway? sth like /user/MyDocs/.cache Oct 26 23:31:18 probably, but the apt cache is still an issue for people who use console Oct 26 23:31:43 yep Oct 26 23:32:14 that's one of the reasons why apt-get --foobar is deprecated, I'd guess Oct 26 23:34:43 Hm Oct 26 23:34:50 Kernel update it were Oct 26 23:34:52 * FIQ reboot Oct 26 23:37:15 ~pr1.3 Oct 26 23:37:15 it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/10/25/new-nokia-n900-software-update-available/ -- see ~flashing for how to update, or http://repository.maemo.org/stable/fremantle/Maemo_5_SDK_Release_Notes_v1_7_en.txt, or http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-26.log.html#t2010-10-26T03:02:54 Oct 26 23:37:36 Meh, no wiki link to a changelog Oct 26 23:44:46 does PR 1.3 include a new kernel or can i still use the old power kernel? Oct 27 00:09:10 hehe, I got the most expensive remote control ever, for my TV. A N900 for handset, and a N900 in front of my TV, sending the IR cmds it receives from other device via WiFi Oct 27 00:09:18 works like a charm Oct 27 00:10:27 DocScrutinizer: Would you like to invest in properties in Fresno, CA (since you have money to burn)? :) Oct 27 00:10:29 ah... if only the FreeRunner had IR... Oct 27 00:10:49 hmmm Oct 27 00:10:55 all I did was loading and starting same matching irreco remote on both, and replacing "localhost" by on the other, in controller config Oct 27 00:11:02 by the way, how's the usb host mode going on n900? Oct 27 00:11:15 ~hostmode Oct 27 00:11:16 rumour has it, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=824197#post824197 Oct 27 00:11:33 ah, infobot,old pal Oct 27 00:15:47 Hello Oct 27 00:16:11 anyone in here that has a Nokia N900? Oct 27 00:17:44 There may be several people with one. Oct 27 00:17:50 Some with two. Oct 27 00:17:59 that's nice :D Oct 27 00:18:32 I'm thinking about getting one myself but I would like to know abit about it first Oct 27 00:19:04 What questions do you have? Oct 27 00:22:14 dumdidum Oct 27 00:22:31 I'm pretty new to smartphones and to maemo so I would like to know what's the main difference between maemo and symbian Oct 27 00:23:36 maemo is a linux, and so the N900 a real computer in your pocket, while symbian is, errr... just symbian Oct 27 00:24:07 DocScrutinizer: ok .. is maemo based on debian? Oct 27 00:24:20 yes, I'd say so Oct 27 00:24:52 remotely Oct 27 00:24:59 DocScrutinizer: ok thx.. so does that meen that I can open up the xTerminal and use apt-get to install software? Oct 27 00:25:13 sure, doing that all the time Oct 27 00:25:56 DocScrutinizer: ok that's nice, I really like that Oct 27 00:26:06 though "for regular users" the package manager is the recommended way to install sw Oct 27 00:26:18 DocScrutinizer: ofc :) Oct 27 00:27:06 DocScrutinizer: do you know if there are any phones out on the market right now that actually can compete with the n900 I meen it's already "1" year old Oct 27 00:27:29 nope, not for my requirements profile Oct 27 00:28:19 Howdy folks Oct 27 00:28:20 for sure there are more shiny spyPhones, and cheaper andridiots, but that's not what I want Oct 27 00:28:51 DocScrutinizer: ok...I'm pretty much a "geek" I like to do alot of things but I dont use facebook or twitter and stuff like that. But I like to use IRC and stuff like that on the phone Oct 27 00:29:20 that's irc via N900 Oct 27 00:29:33 I'm missing the liblocation.so.0 file can somebody send it to me? Oct 27 00:29:51 * n900evil waves from n900/xchat. Oct 27 00:30:05 :) Oct 27 00:30:45 DarkdowN: hmm, I guess you'd need the exactly matching modversion Oct 27 00:30:55 I actually like like the design of the N900, and since it Oct 27 00:31:01 Man it's been a long time since I (actively) used irc, there sure are a lot of people here! Oct 27 00:31:20 200 € less now than 1 year ago i'm seriously thinking about getting it Oct 27 00:31:49 DocScrutinizer51: as long as its fremantle armel would be fine Oct 27 00:32:05 DarkdowN: o.O Oct 27 00:32:22 ? Oct 27 00:33:05 DocScrutinizer: I watched an old video review about the n900 and they said that it did not support MMS is this thing fixed already? Oct 27 00:33:06 Ohh oops BitchX automatically autocompleted to the wrong username, heh Oct 27 00:33:33 (that's 2 autos in a row, redundant, err.. :) Oct 27 00:33:36 nevermind Oct 27 00:34:09 joshyyz: yes, aiui frals gave fmms to the community :-D Oct 27 00:34:21 frals: thanks! Oct 27 00:35:34 DocScrutinizer: good :) Oct 27 00:35:36 I can't seem to find it anywhere in the SDK or on maemo.org Oct 27 00:35:41 DarkdowN: your *.so won't load unless either VERMAGIC is correct or you do nasty hacks like forcing modprobe etc. Oct 27 00:36:06 DarkdowN: aiui it's one of Nokias blobs :-/ Oct 27 00:37:22 so in SDK there are just the header files, and on maemo.org it will be inside fiasco image which you flash to device Oct 27 00:37:37 but I could be completely wrong here Oct 27 00:37:46 How about the browsing experience when there is alot of flash, will it become were sluggish? Oct 27 00:38:08 It should work, if you can toss me one, that'd be great. Oct 27 00:38:43 flash isn't exactly the strongest discipline of N900 Oct 27 00:39:08 DarkdowN: I mustn't Oct 27 00:39:22 aiui? there were a lot of libraries in the SDK I just downloaded, just not that one. And flashing a device is much more than i'm trying to do right now, i just need some libraries Oct 27 00:39:53 D: ? Oct 27 00:40:05 DocScrutinizer: okey well I dont like flash, is it possible to get ad-block hehe? :D Oct 27 00:40:26 yes, I think there's a plugin for microB Oct 27 00:40:38 extension Oct 27 00:41:10 yeah, ask microB developer timeless_mbp - he should know better :-) Oct 27 00:41:13 app manager doesnt show pr1.3 ota update :/ Oct 27 00:41:16 what should i do Oct 27 00:41:29 Pillum: be patient? Oct 27 00:41:44 why patient? thought its already released? Oct 27 00:41:46 has the OTA part rolled out? Oct 27 00:42:00 yes Oct 27 00:42:17 Pillum: did you break the package seal? Oct 27 00:42:24 package seal ? :D Oct 27 00:42:36 if you removed the fremantle metapackage then ham won't recognize the update Oct 27 00:42:48 hm Oct 27 00:42:52 how do i know? Oct 27 00:42:55 exactly why it doesn't pester me so far :-P Oct 27 00:43:08 well, ideally you'd remember having uninstalled it Oct 27 00:43:26 someone can use dpkg -l to find the package name Oct 27 00:43:32 or look at HAM uninstall, if it shows up (I guess) Oct 27 00:43:35 and you can then use dpkg -l to find out if it's present Oct 27 00:44:30 pkg name is? Oct 27 00:44:36 * DocScrutinizer hears joshyyz drooling :-D Oct 27 00:45:44 or better, how do i reinstall it? Oct 27 00:46:08 I'm also having trouble downloading the skype package for the n900 Oct 27 00:46:39 apt-get install mp-freamntle-generic-pr=10.2010.19-1 Oct 27 00:46:48 apt-get install mp-freamntle-generic-pr Oct 27 00:46:50 even Oct 27 00:46:56 is there a specific skype package for the n900? Oct 27 00:47:03 skype is preinstalled Oct 27 00:47:13 and that's actually fremantle Oct 27 00:47:24 shame on you MohammadAG51 Oct 27 00:47:37 I think i'll have to buy it tomorrow :) Oct 27 00:48:03 get it today ! Oct 27 00:48:04 skype's not preinstalled on all the n900s unfortunately Oct 27 00:48:15 what's the original internet browser on the phone? Oct 27 00:48:37 microB, gecko based Oct 27 00:48:38 microb Oct 27 00:48:42 :P Oct 27 00:49:03 there is a webkit browser too on Extras I believe, also Opera Oct 27 00:49:22 you can install Chromium Oct 27 00:49:26 I'm trying to get Opera to work, but I'm missing liblocation.so.0 Oct 27 00:49:26 it doesn't support HTTPS Oct 27 00:49:30 Ok.. I would like to know one thing .. I have a Ampache music server @ home and I would like to know if it's possible with the n900 using the browser to stream from the server Oct 27 00:49:40 hrm, opera worked for me a few hours ago Oct 27 00:49:58 firefooooox Oct 27 00:49:59 killall pidgin;killall pppd;ro expensive Oct 27 00:50:01 argh Oct 27 00:50:02 joshyyz: the browser doesn't really do video/audio Oct 27 00:50:14 you either use the media player or the flash plugin Oct 27 00:50:25 apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr gives me Oct 27 00:50:35 following packages have unmet dependencies: Oct 27 00:50:49 Pillum: that generally means you broke the seal at some point Oct 27 00:50:53 timeless_mbp: maybe it's possible to install "rythmbox" ? or maybe that's way too heavy Oct 27 00:50:53 mp-fremantle-generic-pr: Depends: libsdl-mixer1.2 Oct 27 00:51:23 I'd _really_ like to get Opera and Skype running on my Pre. Turns out that not only can ya'll run WebOS apps, but they can run n900 apps! Exciting no? Oct 27 00:51:32 wut now? Oct 27 00:51:42 libsdl-mixer1.23 is already the newest version Oct 27 00:52:13 joshyyz: how do you expect a browser to do what you're trying to do? Oct 27 00:52:27 DarkdowN, cool, I would like to give a try to preenv Oct 27 00:53:00 DarkdowN, I dont think you can get Skype that easy though, I believe it's very telepathy/GTK centric on the n900 Oct 27 00:53:07 joshyyz: usually media player will "just work â„¢" Oct 27 00:53:16 I will have to look at preenv, I wonder if that will give me clues on how to easily get n900 apps to work Oct 27 00:53:23 bef0rd: I join that bet Oct 27 00:53:59 timeless_mbp: can the mediaplayer play flash audio? Oct 27 00:54:23 ? no, but the browser supports flash, so that'd probably work in the browser Oct 27 00:54:26 timeless_mbp: sry for my dumbness Oct 27 00:54:36 sorry, when people talk about "browser" and audio/video they're usually confused Oct 27 00:54:40 joshyyz, also flash audio is probably just h264 or whatever flv uses Oct 27 00:54:54 bef0rd: telepathy? hmm, will look that up. Oct 27 00:55:00 Also - mplayer Oct 27 00:55:25 bef0rd: opera I think is a more reasonable goal, that's probably a more direct linux-port rather than a ground-up write.. Oct 27 00:55:32 ~xyawn Oct 27 00:55:32 rumour has it, xyawn is nice coffee Oct 27 00:55:36 k Oct 27 00:55:50 ~botsnack Oct 27 00:55:51 DocScrutinizer: :) Oct 27 00:56:03 yeah i'm almost confusing myself, the thing is that I have this ampache music server which music I always stream via the webbrowser using the flash Oct 27 00:56:18 I hope it works the same way on the phone Oct 27 00:56:35 Can you punch a hole in a firewall, so someone can check it? Oct 27 00:56:45 almost everything browser related works on the phone Oct 27 00:57:12 SpeedEvil: talking to me?? :) Oct 27 00:57:23 sure Oct 27 00:57:29 yes Oct 27 00:57:54 timeless_mbp: PR1.2 browser does audio for me Oct 27 00:58:06 luke-jr: html5