**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Oct 30 02:59:57 2010
Oct 30 03:01:56 <ebzzry> Does R&D mode automatically enable flashing mode?
Oct 30 03:03:40 <b-man_> ebzzry: you have to hold down the 'u' key while the device is off and then plug in the USB cable
Oct 30 03:04:03 <b-man_> then your device will enter flasher mode
Oct 30 03:19:08 <TiagoTiago> stop using portrait mode?
Oct 30 03:20:59 <TiagoTiago> also, are transitions that bad even if you set them to really low values?
Oct 30 03:23:13 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: use the slider screen-unlock thing
Oct 30 03:23:18 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: then hit end w/o rotate
Oct 30 03:23:27 <luke-jr> TiagoTiago: you can't really disable portrait mode
Oct 30 03:23:40 <TiagoTiago> set it to not rotate?
Oct 30 03:23:54 <luke-jr> it doesn't respect the setting most of hte time
Oct 30 03:24:20 <TiagoTiago> change display orientation from automatic to landscape
Oct 30 03:24:23 <TiagoTiago> really?
Oct 30 03:24:27 <luke-jr> really.
Oct 30 03:24:40 <TiagoTiago> that sucks :(
Oct 30 03:24:44 <luke-jr> yes.
Oct 30 03:25:25 <TiagoTiago> how cna i repro it not respecting the orientation setting?
Oct 30 03:29:57 <ebzzry> b-man_: I'm aware of that, but somehow my device won't go into flasher mode. I'm using R&D mode.
Oct 30 03:30:16 <ebzzry> b-man_: Also The bootmenu shows
Oct 30 03:44:01 <ebzzry> After flashing PR 1.3, does it really take long for the 6 dots to appear?
Oct 30 03:49:44 <TiagoTiago> i did it over the air (well, with Synaptic), it didn't even asked me to reboot, i did it anyway just in case, and i didn't notice anything different
Oct 30 04:04:56 <ebzzry> What does cold flashing do?
Oct 30 04:23:58 <TiagoTiago> I think it is flashing without the help of the NOLO, i could be wrong
Oct 30 04:24:19 <TiagoTiago> ~cold flashing
Oct 30 04:24:40 <TiagoTiago> balls :\
Oct 30 05:03:29 <pigeon> is glGetString(GL_VERSION) supposed to not work on the n900?
Oct 30 05:31:24 <pigeon> never mind
Oct 30 06:05:21 <peb_> exit
Oct 30 06:05:22 <peb_> exit
Oct 30 06:05:23 <peb_> exit
Oct 30 06:49:08 <Xhinde> Hello
Oct 30 06:49:57 <pigeon> actually, it seems to always return null...
Oct 30 06:51:26 <Xhinde> If i may ask. Is there a way to use the external volume bottuns as "next" in the player. For example, one click makes volume go up and down and holding it down makes it go to the next song
Oct 30 06:55:58 <pigeon> glGetString(GL_VERSION) gives me null for gles1
Oct 30 06:56:01 <pigeon> gles2 works
Oct 30 07:05:16 <pigeon> ah
Oct 30 07:05:19 <pigeon> found my problem
Oct 30 07:08:28 <Xhinde> at least one of us did
Oct 30 07:09:08 <pigeon> heh
Oct 30 07:09:23 <pigeon> need to link against libGLES_CM/libGLESv2, not libGL
Oct 30 07:21:32 <iksaif> Hi, anyone with some time to install/test a package quickly ? :)
Oct 30 08:18:38 <ruskie> nice... flashing to uboot+kernel image was a success
Oct 30 08:21:57 <ebzzry> Does a full flash install a new nolo?
Oct 30 08:23:58 <Noobmonk3y> morning alls :)
Oct 30 08:29:00 <Noobmonk3y> bacon ? ;)
Oct 30 08:29:16 <VladNistor> i'll have some :)
Oct 30 08:29:24 <Noobmonk3y> w000p that normally wakes people up ;)
Oct 30 08:29:39 <VladNistor> ;)
Oct 30 08:30:01 <kerio> MOAR BACON
Oct 30 08:30:20 <Noobmonk3y> mooooarning kerio :)
Oct 30 08:31:12 <kerio> morning
Oct 30 08:31:13 <Noobmonk3y> meh, spose it is still early :P
Oct 30 08:31:20 <kerio> 10.26am is early? :O
Oct 30 08:33:07 <Noobmonk3y> 9.26 is :P
Oct 30 08:33:16 <Noobmonk3y> on a saturday!
Oct 30 08:33:37 <ebzzry> Hello everyone, I need some help. I think I bricked my device.
Oct 30 08:33:43 <kerio> ebzzry: reflash
Oct 30 08:33:49 <kerio> if it fails, nokia care center
Oct 30 08:33:51 <ebzzry> kerio: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857370
Oct 30 08:34:28 <kerio> reflash 1.2
Oct 30 08:34:43 <ebzzry> kerio: I did that, but the devices still behaves the same. =(
Oct 30 08:34:51 <kerio> lies
Oct 30 08:34:58 <ebzzry> kerio: I am at least 6 hours away to the closest Nokia Care Center.
Oct 30 08:35:03 <kerio> reflash the eMMC too
Oct 30 08:35:10 <ebzzry> kerio: Let me try that.
Oct 30 08:35:18 <Noobmonk3y> ooo
Oct 30 08:35:18 <kerio> flash fiasco and emmc
Oct 30 08:35:33 <Noobmonk3y> reflashing the emms, normall sorts out the bricked from the non bricked :)
Oct 30 08:35:33 <kerio> if it still fails it's not pr1.3-related, it's hardware
Oct 30 08:35:37 <ruskie> ebzzry, yeah
Oct 30 08:35:46 <kerio> without booting between those
Oct 30 08:35:55 <ebzzry> kerio: Does that mean I'll have to omit the "-R" flag to flasher-3.5 so that the device won't reboot?
Oct 30 08:35:56 <ruskie> ebzzry, it reflashes nolo
Oct 30 08:36:08 <kerio> ebzzry: on the first one, yeah
Oct 30 08:36:20 <ebzzry> kerio: Sweet, let me do that.
Oct 30 08:36:22 <kerio> put the -R on the second command so it does reboot
Oct 30 08:36:37 <ruskie> generally I've read it's a good idea to ommit -R always
Oct 30 08:36:53 <alterego> indeed
Oct 30 08:36:56 <ebzzry> ruskie: I'll take note of that.
Oct 30 08:37:15 <ebzzry> Then that means the documentation for flashing should be updated to reflect those statements.
Oct 30 08:37:49 <Noobmonk3y> ebzzry: well done for volunteering ;)
Oct 30 08:38:04 <ebzzry> Noobmonk3y: hehe. :)
Oct 30 08:39:13 <ebzzry> I'll just fetch the latest eMMC image, then I'll post updates.
Oct 30 08:39:22 <ebzzry> By the way, does it matter that I have been using bootmenu?
Oct 30 08:40:06 <Noobmonk3y> cool! goodluck ;) - erm, i think it just removes it doesnt it?
Oct 30 08:40:43 <ebzzry> By the way, what exactly is R&D mode?
Oct 30 08:41:01 <ruskie> research&development mode
Oct 30 08:41:14 <ruskie> disables a ton of stuff and might enable some other stuff
Oct 30 08:41:32 <Noobmonk3y> ebzzry: http://wiki.maemo.org/R%26D_mode
Oct 30 08:42:15 <ebzzry> Uh, that wiki page doesn't tell a lot.
Oct 30 08:42:22 <Noobmonk3y> tells more than nothing ;) lol
Oct 30 08:43:29 <ebzzry> Hehe
Oct 30 08:43:40 <ebzzry> It feels good to have timely backups. =)
Oct 30 08:44:06 <ebzzry> A few more minutes and the eMMC image download is done. =)
Oct 30 08:44:37 <Noobmonk3y> :) :)
Oct 30 08:44:45 <Termana> ebzzry, It doesn't tell a lot because there isn't a lot to tell
Oct 30 08:44:50 <Termana> Did you consider that?
Oct 30 08:45:14 <ebzzry> Termana: Then why is there an R&D mode? =)
Oct 30 08:45:28 <ebzzry> Termana: I'll answer that. Because it just is.
Oct 30 08:45:43 <ebzzry> Who among you use R&D mode on a daily basis?
Oct 30 08:45:46 <Termana> ebzzry, because it serves a purposes. There's just not much to say about it. It does what it does
Oct 30 08:46:12 <ebzzry> I use R&D mode to enable SSH via Bootmenu. Is that reasonable?
Oct 30 08:46:18 <Noobmonk3y> ebzzry: i think it is a more historical thing for uber developers
Oct 30 08:46:32 <Noobmonk3y> although, good reason ;)
Oct 30 08:48:00 <ebzzry> Hmm, anyway, who among you guys use it?
Oct 30 08:48:34 <Noobmonk3y> not me :)
Oct 30 08:48:50 <Noobmonk3y> lcuk: ever use r&d mode?
Oct 30 08:49:34 <ebzzry> I remember, is this BackupMenu app good?
Oct 30 08:51:38 <Noobmonk3y> hehe, too early n quiet on here :p
Oct 30 08:52:22 <RobbieThe1st> heh.
Oct 30 08:53:00 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: One-of-a-kind.
Oct 30 08:53:12 <alterego> Don't think I've used r&d since N800
Oct 30 08:53:19 <korhojoa> i used to use r&d mode before nitdroid worked without it
Oct 30 08:53:47 <alterego> I might have enabled it on the N810 for some reason. Know I've never done it on the N900 though
Oct 30 08:53:50 <RobbieThe1st> That reminds me; I probably should start packaging up my new version of Backupmenu and upload it to the repo...
Oct 30 08:54:59 <korhojoa> what does backupmenu do really?
Oct 30 08:55:36 <RobbieThe1st> Provides a "rescue" menu, with options to backup and restore filesystem images
Oct 30 08:56:00 <korhojoa> nice.
Oct 30 08:56:55 <RobbieThe1st> Yea. Mind you, you'd probably be best off using the new version located here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=856172
Oct 30 08:57:30 <RobbieThe1st> er, better link would be here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975
Oct 30 08:57:51 <ebzzry> Hmm, does it require the system to be down?
Oct 30 08:58:15 <nocturnal> so this new PR1.3, does it let me dual boot meego and how do i dual boot? because i've already installed the meego file system on my micro-sd and i've also booted it once by flashing the 1.1 kernel image. but do i still need u-boot to dual boot it if i'm using PR1.3?
Oct 30 08:58:18 <RobbieThe1st> Yes.
Oct 30 08:58:38 <ebzzry> How does it fare compared to bootmenu + ssh patch
Oct 30 08:59:02 <RobbieThe1st> erm... essentially the same thing, just no need for a seperate computer
Oct 30 08:59:51 <RobbieThe1st> It uses bootmenu also, but then chroots into a ramdisk - the optfs and rootfs can then be safely coped and restored
Oct 30 09:00:11 <nocturnal> +  * Fixes: NB#170888 - Dual boot in kernel for enabling MeeGo
Oct 30 09:00:16 <nocturnal> but how do you use it?
Oct 30 09:00:54 <alterego> kexec
Oct 30 09:00:57 <alterego> look it up
Oct 30 09:01:03 <nocturnal> ooh
Oct 30 09:01:04 <ShadowJK> the MeeGo team haven't finished code and intructions for it yet I think
Oct 30 09:01:18 * RST38h moos
Oct 30 09:01:23 <RST38h> Moorning, ShadowJK
Oct 30 09:01:28 <Noobmonk3y> moaning
Oct 30 09:01:30 <ShadowJK> morn
Oct 30 09:01:31 <nocturnal> http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/kexec
Oct 30 09:01:32 <nocturnal> well there is this
Oct 30 09:01:33 <RST38h> Anything new and exciting lately?
Oct 30 09:01:34 <nocturnal> i've seen it before
Oct 30 09:01:40 <nocturnal> but i had no idea what kexec was
Oct 30 09:01:43 <nocturnal> pretty awesome tool
Oct 30 09:01:45 <RST38h> nocturnal: this is reported to not quite work yet
Oct 30 09:01:45 <Noobmonk3y> RST38h: cow's Moo... found it out this morning
Oct 30 09:02:04 <RST38h> nocturnal: I.e. it boots into meego but then hangs (source: javispedro)
Oct 30 09:02:05 <nocturnal> RST38h: don't matter, i have my n900 just to play with and dev
Oct 30 09:02:40 <nocturnal> RST38h: but one of the fixes in 1.3 was dual booting
Oct 30 09:02:46 <nocturnal> do they mean kexec or something else?
Oct 30 09:02:47 <nocturnal> +  * Fixes: NB#170888 - Dual boot in kernel for enabling MeeGo
Oct 30 09:02:51 <Noobmonk3y> nocturnal: not working yet though
Oct 30 09:03:03 <nocturnal> wtf, then why list it as a fix for the new firmware?
Oct 30 09:03:04 <RST38h> nocturnal: yes, so after PR1.3 it does not hang right away, it hangs after a short while
Oct 30 09:03:04 <Noobmonk3y> it will work with 1.3 when they fix it ;)
Oct 30 09:03:10 <Noobmonk3y> they fixed one side of it :0
Oct 30 09:03:14 <nocturnal> haha
Oct 30 09:03:16 <nocturnal> ok
Oct 30 09:03:18 <nocturnal> well thanks
Oct 30 09:03:23 <Noobmonk3y> shouldnt be too long :0
Oct 30 09:03:23 <RST38h> That is alpha software for you
Oct 30 09:03:33 <Noobmonk3y> RST38h: that's open source for ya ;)
Oct 30 09:03:41 <nocturnal> but kexec was still interesting, never heard of anything like that on bsd.
Oct 30 09:03:44 <Noobmonk3y> or as open as we get anyway
Oct 30 09:03:45 <RST38h> That too, but less so
Oct 30 09:03:56 <RST38h> Meego people are paid to work on Meego
Oct 30 09:03:59 <ShadowJK> nocturnal, kexec in maemo is fixed. MeeGo isn't setup to be able to use it yet though
Oct 30 09:04:06 <nocturnal> ok cool
Oct 30 09:05:06 <korhojoa> -"It's fixed!" -"What's fixed?" -"Well, now it doesn't hang immediately!" -"Still hangs after 30 seconds..." -"Well, that's not part of the bug..."
Oct 30 09:05:48 <nocturnal> =)
Oct 30 09:05:56 <nocturnal> maybe it wasn't a priority yet
Oct 30 09:06:17 <nocturnal> since the n900 is only used for early meego development and so far it works to boot
Oct 30 09:06:21 <Noobmonk3y> bingo ;)
Oct 30 09:06:25 <ShadowJK> sounds like meego isn't paying enough attention to watchdogs :)
Oct 30 09:06:34 <Noobmonk3y> those darn dogs
Oct 30 09:07:05 <Noobmonk3y> anyone in the mood to answer a stupid qt question for me pls?
Oct 30 09:07:15 <alterego> Noobmonk3y: fire away
Oct 30 09:07:17 <Noobmonk3y> (relates to someone else's code that i'm trying to get working!)
Oct 30 09:07:28 <korhojoa> solution: r&d mode - disable watchdogs
Oct 30 09:07:40 <nocturnal> lol should have just read one line up in the bugfixes +kernel (2.6.28-20102204) unstable; urgency=low
Oct 30 09:08:26 <ebzzry> RobbieThe1st: You said not another computer is needed. What did you mean by that?
Oct 30 09:10:08 * Termana grumbles at stupid house power
Oct 30 09:14:56 <ebzzry> RobbieThe1st: I'll just try it out to see.
Oct 30 09:17:22 <RobbieThe1st> actually, just wait
Oct 30 09:17:46 <RobbieThe1st> I just uploaded it to the autobuilder queue, the new package should be availaible in a few minutes in extras-devel
Oct 30 09:17:59 <RobbieThe1st> It'll be v0.48 of "backupmenu"
Oct 30 09:23:27 <RobbieThe1st> Oops, I guess it wanted comma-separated dependencies... Reuploaded.
Oct 30 09:28:03 <sjk> is there a way of locking the special shift key that gives you numbers and #+* etc?
Oct 30 09:28:15 <RobbieThe1st> press it twice?
Oct 30 09:28:25 <sjk> like if you have to type a lot of numbers
Oct 30 09:28:31 <sjk> **(
Oct 30 09:28:40 <sjk> *aah!
Oct 30 09:29:01 <sjk> thanks RobbieThe1st
Oct 30 09:29:04 <RobbieThe1st> np
Oct 30 09:31:47 <sjk> hmm... sometimes i cannot tap the things on my homescreen. is that a bug? like i cant tap the recorder program
Oct 30 09:32:42 <sjk> it's a little red square that is supposed to record stuff (telephone calls etc) but nothing happens
Oct 30 09:33:02 <sjk> is that a bug or have i just missed something
Oct 30 09:34:14 <RobbieThe1st> um
Oct 30 09:34:30 <jacekowski> meego released
Oct 30 09:34:32 <RobbieThe1st> I -assume- it probably means that, for whatever reason, it didn't launch
Oct 30 09:34:45 <RobbieThe1st> so, possibly a bug in that bit of software
Oct 30 09:35:27 <ebzzry> RobbieThe1st: So from -devel?
Oct 30 09:35:45 <sjk> RobbieThe1st, when i click the settings "wheel" i can move the icon around, but i cannot go into its settings
Oct 30 09:35:54 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: http://maemo.org/packages/view/backupmenu/
Oct 30 09:36:27 <RobbieThe1st> sjk: you mean where you can click the "x" to delete that icon?
Oct 30 09:37:01 <ebzzry> Which reminds me to make a list of apps that I should exclusively snag from -devel =)
Oct 30 09:37:22 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: As you can see from that, it's in the process of getting updated. It got built, but hasn't fully made it into extras-devel yet
Oct 30 09:37:48 <sjk> actually all applications on that desktop seem to be frozen - .my uptime widget says the uptime is 52 minutes eventho it's been on all night
Oct 30 09:38:07 <sjk> RobbieThe1st, yeah, that's the one
Oct 30 09:38:19 <RobbieThe1st> You need to exit from that then
Oct 30 09:38:25 <RobbieThe1st> because that's just "organize" mode
Oct 30 09:38:42 <RobbieThe1st> If you've been in that mode all night... No wonder it hasn't updated
Oct 30 09:39:18 <sjk> im not in the mode where i can enter the settings
Oct 30 09:39:20 <ebzzry> By the way, how do I flash an eMMC image?
Oct 30 09:39:38 <sjk> it just looks like that desktop has frozen
Oct 30 09:39:43 <RobbieThe1st> sjk: are there white/black X's in the upper-right corner of each icon?
Oct 30 09:40:24 <sjk> nope
Oct 30 09:40:36 <ShadowJK> mone are yellow
Oct 30 09:40:37 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: the eMMC image is only needed if you -royally- screw things up. It contains both an empty optfs partition, and the Mydocs partition
Oct 30 09:40:40 <ShadowJK> mine*
Oct 30 09:41:00 <RobbieThe1st> sjk: Hm...
Oct 30 09:41:04 <sjk> actually, i've got the same problem when i slide to the other desktops as well
Oct 30 09:41:19 <sjk> i can't click anything
Oct 30 09:41:42 <sjk> i get the click sound, but nothing happens
Oct 30 09:42:07 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: The N900's made up of three partitions: the rootfs, which is built into the CPU chip(256m). The optfs, which also has your configuration(icon placement etc) and most of 3rd-party programs.
Oct 30 09:42:26 <ebzzry> Yeah, I mentioned it earlier. I have been advised to do so. =)
Oct 30 09:42:27 <RobbieThe1st> Third is the MyDocs, which is ~27GB and is your "data" area
Oct 30 09:42:45 <RobbieThe1st> sjk: I'd reboot
Oct 30 09:42:50 <ebzzry> Is the command still: flasher-3.5 -f -F image.bin
Oct 30 09:42:50 <RobbieThe1st> something may have crashed
Oct 30 09:43:18 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: Yes, it is. But, you have to 1. flash PR1.3, 2. flash the emmc, and 3. reboot it
Oct 30 09:43:33 <RobbieThe1st> -no- reboot between flashing pr1.3 and the emmc, or it won't boot
Oct 30 09:43:40 <ShadowJK> sjk: you don't get a icon of round gear sliding out when you tap desktop background either?
Oct 30 09:44:24 <ebzzry> kerio: How do I flash the eMMC?
Oct 30 09:45:03 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: like I said, it's still the same flasher command
Oct 30 09:45:08 <kerio> why are you asking me
Oct 30 09:45:23 <ebzzry> Sorry, I didn't see what RobbieThe1st said. =(
Oct 30 09:46:26 <sjk> ShadowJK, i do
Oct 30 09:46:26 <BCMM> if you happen to not want to use amazon-installer and stuff, can one remove maemo-installer-utils?
Oct 30 09:47:45 <sjk> I guess I'll just give it a reboot
Oct 30 09:47:50 <RST38h> Manchester's Self-Described 'Internet Troll' Jailed For Offensive Web Posts
Oct 30 09:48:01 <RobbieThe1st> "apt-get remove maemo-installer-utils --purge"
Oct 30 09:48:07 <RobbieThe1st> see what else it removes
Oct 30 09:51:53 <BCMM> RobbieThe1st: thanks (i'm sorta unfamiliar with Debian)
Oct 30 09:52:18 <RobbieThe1st> NP
Oct 30 09:52:41 <RobbieThe1st> Note, you -do- need to do that as root..
Oct 30 09:53:06 <andyph666> anyone here got neopwn to install?
Oct 30 09:53:56 <andyph666> my device decided to reboot.. and now it says not enough space to extract when I extract it to /.neopwn
Oct 30 09:56:29 <ebzzry> kerio: I did what you advised me to do, i.e., 1) flash PR 1.3, and 2) flash emmc, but I'm still stuck at the screen with six circles
Oct 30 09:57:05 <RobbieThe1st> ok, eb, lets see
Oct 30 09:57:08 <alterego> ebzzry: first time takes quite a while to bboot
Oct 30 09:57:20 <ebzzry> Hmm.
Oct 30 09:57:22 <ebzzry> It works now!
Oct 30 09:57:24 <RobbieThe1st> Greayt
Oct 30 09:57:25 <ebzzry> =)
Oct 30 09:57:26 <alterego> An annoyingly long time that makes you think it's broken, try and be a bit more patient.
Oct 30 09:57:31 <ebzzry> Thanks for the advice guys.
Oct 30 09:57:34 <alterego> ;)
Oct 30 09:57:38 <BCMM> RobbieThe1st: heh, i'm new to debian, not linux :)
Oct 30 09:57:44 <ebzzry> Yes, Robbie. I'll use BackupMenu and send you donations. =)
Oct 30 09:58:03 <RobbieThe1st> :P. BCMM: Fair enough, just had to make sure
Oct 30 09:58:28 <BCMM> thx
Oct 30 09:58:50 <alterego> I noticed PR1.3 seemed to have a slightly longer first startup than I remembered from previous versions.
Oct 30 09:58:59 <alterego> Thought my device was dead when I first flashed it :/
Oct 30 09:59:11 <RobbieThe1st> Y'know, I wish they'd used a framebuffer kernel by default - or at least provided detailed error messages when something goes wrong a "dots-reboot-loop" isn't exactly helpful
Oct 30 09:59:22 <alterego> But I left it for a while and it started up fine eventually.
Oct 30 09:59:47 <RobbieThe1st> alterego: Yea, same. I thought it was just mine, but apparently it's normal
Oct 30 10:00:19 <ShadowJK> first startup since 1.2 takes ages. It moves alot of stuff from rootfs to /opt
Oct 30 10:00:37 <RobbieThe1st> btw: http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1.bin <- flash that as a kernel (-k) and you get a framebuffer, and lots of thereputic text on startup
Oct 30 10:01:04 <alterego> :)
Oct 30 10:01:20 <D-man> Hi guys. Why do my alias shortcuts get deleted after I exit xterm?
Oct 30 10:01:26 <sjk> it seems to freeze when i try to use the recording widget while talking on the phone
Oct 30 10:01:39 <alterego> sjk: because the shell stops running when you close xterm
Oct 30 10:01:56 <alterego> You need to add them to your ~/.profile
Oct 30 10:01:59 <sjk> D-man, add the aliases to your shell rc
Oct 30 10:02:16 <sjk> alterego, wrong guy :)
Oct 30 10:02:26 <alterego> Oh sorry ;)
Oct 30 10:02:35 <alterego> D-man: add your alias lines to ~/.profile
Oct 30 10:03:11 <alterego> You'll need to create the file and test it before you restart the device because if you screw it up you wont be able to boot the device again
Oct 30 10:03:36 <alterego> And you'll need to reflash both root and emmc, or boot meego and fix it
Oct 30 10:03:47 <RobbieThe1st> Before doing that - enable extras-devel and install backupmenu. Reboot with keyboard open and make a backup
Oct 30 10:03:58 <RobbieThe1st> Then, you will be able to restore it if it doesn't boot
Oct 30 10:05:33 <sjk> what, a dot profile can ruin maemo?
Oct 30 10:06:01 <RobbieThe1st> Maemo is -very- picky about a lot of things
Oct 30 10:06:26 <RobbieThe1st> And they don't even have the courtesy to drop you to a root console when things don't work out
Oct 30 10:06:36 <sjk> is switching shells a bad idea?
Oct 30 10:06:51 <alterego> sjk: not if it works ;)
Oct 30 10:07:02 <RobbieThe1st> Four words: make a backup first!
Oct 30 10:07:17 <RobbieThe1st> Many people have bricked their systems messing with such things
Oct 30 10:07:35 <RobbieThe1st> (including myself) - There's a -reason- I developed BackupMenu
Oct 30 10:07:35 <sjk> like, switch to zsh? i am guessing that maemo would still use the original shell with its .profile
Oct 30 10:08:24 <ShadowJK> sjk, I wouldn't risk it personally :)
Oct 30 10:08:52 <ShadowJK> or then I'd just type zsh after opening xterm
Oct 30 10:09:13 <D-man> Oh well... thanks for that, i didn't realize that it's so dangerous.
Oct 30 10:10:11 <RobbieThe1st> What I've found is that messing with a lot of lower-level stuff is "dangerous". You just need to make a backup first, and restore it if things go wrong. So it takes 10 minutes to restore... so what?
Oct 30 10:10:34 <ilius> sjk: do you want to change default shell of user?
Oct 30 10:10:41 <sjk> Hmm. Why does the shell mean so much to maemo?
Oct 30 10:10:54 <alterego> Because all the startup scripts are written to use it :P
Oct 30 10:11:05 <alterego> Basically, hildon-desktop gets started as user I believe
Oct 30 10:11:14 <alterego> So if your environment is broken, it wont start.
Oct 30 10:11:17 <ilius> sjk: i changed it to bash, and when I open terminal, its bash :P
Oct 30 10:11:56 <ShadowJK> Many of the scripts only work with busybox ash :/
Oct 30 10:12:12 <sjk> alterego: but i would assume that the startup scripts would use the full path to ash
Oct 30 10:12:23 <ilius> sjk: usermod -s /bin/zsh user
Oct 30 10:12:25 <alterego> sjk: /bin/sh actually I would guess
Oct 30 10:12:40 <alterego> As long as bash doesn't override that symlink, all should be well (I'd hope)
Oct 30 10:12:57 <ilius> just change the user's shell
Oct 30 10:12:58 <alterego> But obviously, we don't really know for sure. I might test some of this crap when I setup the maemo emulator.
Oct 30 10:12:59 <sjk> so what difference would it make if the user changed the default shell to something else
Oct 30 10:13:08 <sjk> hmmm :)
Oct 30 10:13:30 <alterego> Anyway, I gotta go now. Talk to you all later.
Oct 30 10:13:31 <sjk> alterego, interesting!
Oct 30 10:13:43 <sjk> see you around alterego
Oct 30 10:14:30 <sjk> ilius, i dont know if i dare to, i got a bit scared :)
Oct 30 10:14:42 <celesteh> hello, my n900 is in a reboot loop and i think i need to relfash the device.  When I go to download a binary, there's many options.  Which one do I need?  I bought my n900 in the US
Oct 30 10:14:50 <ilius> sjk: i did it, no danger
Oct 30 10:14:57 <RobbieThe1st> One, get the PR1.3 image
Oct 30 10:15:03 <RobbieThe1st> Two, get the US one
Oct 30 10:15:39 <RobbieThe1st> note, all images will work on all devices - but the US one's probably better for you as some of the others are "restricted" in one way or another
Oct 30 10:15:53 <sjk> anyone using recaller when on the phone?
Oct 30 10:16:06 <celesteh> what's the FIASCO image?
Oct 30 10:17:04 <RobbieThe1st> um
Oct 30 10:17:18 <alterego> Or the global image.
Oct 30 10:17:19 <celesteh> thanks RobbieThe1st
Oct 30 10:17:36 <RobbieThe1st> RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
Oct 30 10:17:38 <celesteh> I'm in the UK, if that matters
Oct 30 10:18:06 <RobbieThe1st> hm... what is the difference between us and global images, anyway?
Oct 30 10:19:09 <ShadowJK> probably nothing
Oct 30 10:19:11 <ebzzry> Is there a way to enable -devel, but packages will, by default, come from -testing? pinning?
Oct 30 10:19:29 <ShadowJK> maybe it boots up with en_US as default language
Oct 30 10:20:09 <RobbieThe1st> ebzzry: Eh, don't worry so much. I've got extras-devel enabled, and haven't had any issues - heck, most of the software packages aren't in -either-, so...
Oct 30 10:20:09 * ShadowJK just has extras-testing and extras-devel disabled all the time until needing something from one of them, then enabling them for a short while only
Oct 30 10:22:05 <celesteh> so do i need to flash both the US image and the eMMC, or is there a chance i can get away with just doing the Us image?
Oct 30 10:23:06 <ShadowJK> yes there's a chance
Oct 30 10:23:36 <ShadowJK> if just us image fails to boot, then redo flashing both of them
Oct 30 10:24:04 <ShadowJK> and pay attention to that when you flash both you must not reboot in between them
Oct 30 10:24:32 <celesteh> what causes the reboot loop?  Is it a corrupted file or something wrong with the kernel?
Oct 30 10:24:54 <celesteh> I just did an upgrade via the application manager a few days ago
Oct 30 10:25:20 <jacekowski> celesteh: low battery
Oct 30 10:25:26 <jacekowski> celesteh: corrupted files
Oct 30 10:25:32 <jacekowski> celesteh: many options
Oct 30 10:27:09 <RobbieThe1st> celesteh: want to know exactly?
Oct 30 10:27:56 <RobbieThe1st> celesteh: download this: http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1.bin and flash it using the nokia flasher with the -k option
Oct 30 10:28:14 <RobbieThe1st> boot it and see what happens - you'll see a bunch of text, and (hopefully) some sort of error
Oct 30 10:44:50 <ebzzry> Does the Restore command of the Backup app restore application catalogs?
Oct 30 10:46:52 <BluesLee> ebzzry: check it yourself, do a backup and have a look in the archive
Oct 30 10:49:40 <ShadowJK> it did restore them for me
Oct 30 10:51:09 <ebzzry> ShadowJK: Sweet. Thanks.
Oct 30 10:58:51 * Noobmonk3y burps
Oct 30 10:59:57 <Noobmonk3y> ebzzry: good to see the emmc flash worked ;)
Oct 30 11:02:38 <erani> the reaction speed of proximity sensor is quite slow imo :S
Oct 30 11:02:59 <celesteh> thx RobbueThe1st
Oct 30 11:03:18 <celesteh> wondering what the difference is between a warm flash and a cold flash?
Oct 30 11:04:52 <erani> when I want to end a phone call and I take the phone off my ear, I have to wait quite long before I can press the ending button
Oct 30 11:06:26 <ebzzry> Noobmonk3y: Ya. Thanks for the assistance.
Oct 30 11:06:44 <Noobmonk3y> lol i'm more a porter to #maemo, no knowledge here, just a sign post ;)
Oct 30 11:06:47 <ebzzry> celesteh: Same here
Oct 30 11:07:52 <Noobmonk3y> erani: there are some things to help that, i find the black plastic theme and swappolube have helped alot
Oct 30 11:08:43 * MohammadAG51 throws a bricked N900 at Noobmonk3y 
Oct 30 11:08:56 <ebzzry> By the way, does anybody know the location of the official ChangeLog for PR 1.3? =)
Oct 30 11:08:57 * Noobmonk3y catches is and gives it to oxfam
Oct 30 11:09:05 <Noobmonk3y> morning MohammadAG51
Oct 30 11:09:20 <Noobmonk3y> ebzzry: comedian, official and changelog in the same sentence? ;)
Oct 30 11:09:31 <ebzzry> =)
Oct 30 11:09:59 <Noobmonk3y> you can try the users ones - http://www.maemofanatics.com/workaround-for-pr1-3-changelog/
Oct 30 11:10:01 <ebzzry> I want to show my dad the list of changes, since he did a PR 1.3 upgrade OTA seamlessly. I envy him. =)
Oct 30 11:10:24 <Noobmonk3y> welcome lcuky
Oct 30 11:10:24 * MohammadAG51 looks at cracking metal on N900
Oct 30 11:10:24 <ShadowJK> the official changelog is two lines long
Oct 30 11:10:37 <ebzzry> ShadowJK: So uncool. :|
Oct 30 11:10:39 <Noobmonk3y> ShadowJK: the start /n the end?
Oct 30 11:10:40 <MohammadAG51> - WONFIX
Oct 30 11:10:46 <MohammadAG51> - WONTGIVEAFUCK
Oct 30 11:10:47 <Noobmonk3y> lol mo
Oct 30 11:10:57 <ebzzry> MohammadAG51: LOL
Oct 30 11:11:43 <ShadowJK> "Performance improvements and bug fixes", "OVI Suite support"
Oct 30 11:11:56 <ebzzry> ShadowJK: =(
Oct 30 11:12:01 <ShadowJK> Amusingly the Nokia.com/n900 page tells me to install latest flash player to check if I can update N900
Oct 30 11:13:14 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, since you have the SSU firmly in your hands, choose a WONTFIX and turn it into a COMMUNITYFIX
Oct 30 11:13:25 <lcuk> hiya Noobmonk3y \o
Oct 30 11:13:37 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, bug 10613
Oct 30 11:13:38 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10613 screen glitches on incoming call
Oct 30 11:14:01 * Noobmonk3y shudders at the thought of MohammadAG51 caressing a SSU
Oct 30 11:14:05 <MohammadAG51> idk why it happens in 1.3, but the new hd in the ssu fixes it
Oct 30 11:14:29 <Noobmonk3y> Moh - if i add your SSU, will it brick my device? lol
Oct 30 11:14:40 <celesteh> the flasher tells me I have hardware revision 2101, but that number is not actually anywhere in the string of numbers on the back of my phone.  The large 4 digit number on the right is 0434
Oct 30 11:14:41 <MohammadAG51> yes
Oct 30 11:14:44 <Noobmonk3y> yay!
Oct 30 11:14:49 <lcuk> only for now
Oct 30 11:14:54 <MohammadAG51> Noobmonk3y, it's not yet official, but it works
Oct 30 11:14:58 <Noobmonk3y> cool
Oct 30 11:15:15 * MohammadAG51 needs to figure out how to call a terminal window from postinst, and exit postinst
Oct 30 11:15:21 <ebzzry> Is Meego promising on the N900?
Oct 30 11:15:30 <MohammadAG51> tried nohup, works with dpkg, not with apt
Oct 30 11:15:49 <Noobmonk3y> ebzzry: as a developer tool, i spose, not a consumer end product, but the community will most likely sort it properly
Oct 30 11:16:07 * MohammadAG51 hates RPM
Oct 30 11:16:10 <lcuk> ebzzry, the n900 is the OSS handset reference platform and how polished and usable it is depends on us
Oct 30 11:16:10 * MohammadAG51 hides
Oct 30 11:16:27 <ebzzry> Hmm. Nice insight.
Oct 30 11:16:34 <Noobmonk3y> lcuk: by 'us' you mean the clever elves.........
Oct 30 11:16:47 <lcuk> :D you have been watching ben and holly too!
Oct 30 11:16:50 <Noobmonk3y> not literally you, me and Mo, that would be wrong ;)
Oct 30 11:16:56 <lcuk> i am ben elf.   PRRRFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFFF
Oct 30 11:17:00 <celesteh> oh f*ck, i completely buggered this
Oct 30 11:17:06 * Noobmonk3y has no idea what bacon/drugs lcuk is on!
Oct 30 11:17:13 <ebzzry> I'm interested in contributing. What are the languages that Maemo 5 uses? C? C++? Python?
Oct 30 11:17:13 <lcuk> sigh
Oct 30 11:17:22 <Noobmonk3y> ebzzry: all of the above
Oct 30 11:17:33 <Noobmonk3y> most likely c++/qt
Oct 30 11:17:36 <ebzzry> Noobmonk3y: Exclusive or there are more?
Oct 30 11:17:45 <MohammadAG51> more i think
Oct 30 11:17:50 <lcuk> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=EQhQNlCzCsg    Ben & Holly's Little Kingdom - Betty Caterpillar
Oct 30 11:17:51 <MohammadAG51> ruby works afaik
Oct 30 11:17:56 <Noobmonk3y> more that we can use, that memo5 was developed with, i dont know
Oct 30 11:17:58 <lcuk> Noobmonk3y, watch first 30 seconds
Oct 30 11:18:07 <lcuk> tracy keeps calling me the wise old elf!
Oct 30 11:18:10 <lcuk> cos he has a beard
Oct 30 11:18:28 <Noobmonk3y> omg!!!!
Oct 30 11:18:33 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG51: = princess holly!
Oct 30 11:18:37 <celesteh> i thought it might be interesting to use the flasher to turn on rd-mode, to see if that helped with my reboot loop. But now, whenever the batter is in, it turns itself on and then gets stuck in the loop.  so i can't flash it because i can't get it in usb mode.
Oct 30 11:18:43 <MohammadAG51> o_O
Oct 30 11:18:53 <lcuk> lololol Noobmonk3y
Oct 30 11:18:53 <Noobmonk3y> 0_o
Oct 30 11:19:02 <MohammadAG51> O_O
Oct 30 11:19:10 <Noobmonk3y> tis true though, you can't deny it
Oct 30 11:19:37 <MohammadAG51> LOL just found out music player was still playing on volume 0
Oct 30 11:19:52 <ebzzry> Sorry to bring this topic, but is H-E-N there already?
Oct 30 11:19:52 <MohammadAG51> supposedly, last time i used it was 5 hours ago
Oct 30 11:19:57 <MohammadAG51> explains the battery
Oct 30 11:20:11 <MohammadAG51> ebzzry, no, but there is progress by PaulFertser
Oct 30 11:20:47 <ebzzry> MohammadAG51: Do you know where can I get more information regarding Paul's work?
Oct 30 11:21:06 <MohammadAG51> nothing for public consumption yet :P
Oct 30 11:21:19 <PaulFertser> ebzzry: in fact you can
Oct 30 11:21:42 <PaulFertser> ebzzry: in the paul-experimental branch of h-e-n git.
Oct 30 11:21:44 <ebzzry> PaulFertser: Are we piggybacking on H-E-N or we are starting from scratch?
Oct 30 11:21:49 <ebzzry> PaulFertser: OK
Oct 30 11:21:56 <PaulFertser> ebzzry: just take a look at the patch :)
Oct 30 11:22:19 <ebzzry> PaulFertser: OK. I will.
Oct 30 11:22:37 <lcuk> ebzzry, if you are interested and can give technical assistance, hide out in the sekrit hen channel :P
Oct 30 11:22:37 <ebzzry> PaulFertser: Are you ahead of the master branch?
Oct 30 11:22:52 <ebzzry> lcuk: hehe =p
Oct 30 11:23:43 <PaulFertser> ebzzry: there's no master branch.
Oct 30 11:24:30 <lcuk> eek 2155 bookmarks in firefox
Oct 30 11:24:45 <MohammadAG51> lcuk, sure that isn't your history? lol
Oct 30 11:25:01 <lcuk> MohammadAG51, positive, thats all bookmarks which include /
Oct 30 11:25:18 <ebzzry> Hmm, will donating to the hen project help?
Oct 30 11:25:31 <lcuk> :D they go back to when I installed firefox
Oct 30 11:25:43 <lcuk> 4th january 2006
Oct 30 11:26:08 <MohammadAG51> ebzzry, though i'll leave the answer to DocScrutinizer or PaulFertser, I think we're more interested in patches rather than money :P
Oct 30 11:26:09 <lcuk> on this machine at least
Oct 30 11:27:21 <PaulFertser> ebzzry: donating enjoyment of life would help, yes.
Oct 30 11:27:44 <Noobmonk3y> PaulFertser: you could buy an iphone with the donations ;)
Oct 30 11:27:55 * Noobmonk3y goes back to his hole
Oct 30 11:28:08 <ebzzry> PaulFertser: Inspiring words.
Oct 30 11:28:23 * MohammadAG51 slaps Noobmonk3y 
Oct 30 11:28:25 <ebzzry> Buy an iPhone to throw at fellow devs? =)
Oct 30 11:28:47 <Noobmonk3y> ;)
Oct 30 11:28:58 <dreamer> oh dear, I did an apt-get autoremove and got: E: Internal Erro, AutoRemover broke stuff
Oct 30 11:31:35 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Oct 30 11:32:40 <BCMM> ebzzry: no, he can test HEN by USB tethering the n900 to the iphone, so we can finally experience proper signal loss on maemo
Oct 30 11:32:41 <lcuk> dreamer, file a bug against apt - spelling mistakes shouldnt be there :S
Oct 30 11:33:05 <lcuk> what else did it try to remove and just what have you done to your system
Oct 30 11:33:59 <Noobmonk3y> lol lcuk
Oct 30 11:34:11 <dreamer> lcuk: heh, I'm just typing it from my screen ;)
Oct 30 11:35:46 <kerio> this is not #apple, we have copypaste
Oct 30 11:36:05 <MohammadAG51> kerio, they have copy and paste since 3.0 you know :P
Oct 30 11:36:14 <MohammadAG51> yay
Oct 30 11:36:33 <MohammadAG51> N8 incoming :)
Oct 30 11:36:37 <dreamer> copy/paste from n900 to my laptop is not 'that' easy (no, I don't have sshd atm :P)
Oct 30 11:36:58 <MohammadAG51> dreamer, pastebinit
Oct 30 11:37:05 <MohammadAG51> fixed the package
Oct 30 11:37:31 <dreamer> and how do I file a bug against apt? which 'product' is it a part of?
Oct 30 11:37:57 <MohammadAG51> apt itself
Oct 30 11:37:58 <dreamer> MohammadAG51: yesyes, trying to copy/past from terminal to webkit thingy ..
Oct 30 11:38:08 <dreamer> MohammadAG51: not in bugzilla as such
Oct 30 11:38:16 <MohammadAG51> dreamer, no, "pastebinit" is a package
Oct 30 11:38:25 <dreamer> https://bugs.maemo.org/enter_bug.cgi?classification=__all << where is it?
Oct 30 11:38:32 <MohammadAG51> you pipe a command through it, and it gets pastebinned
Oct 30 11:38:33 <dreamer> MohammadAG51: orly? kewl
Oct 30 11:38:37 <MohammadAG51> you get a link
Oct 30 11:39:41 <dreamer> I realize, I've seen 'embedded' pastebin on other systems, didn't know there was a particular package as such for maemo
Oct 30 11:40:10 <dreamer> MohammadAG51: 'E: Couldn't find package pastebinit'
Oct 30 11:40:17 <MohammadAG51> dreamer, devel
Oct 30 11:40:28 <dreamer> ah, don't have it enabled
Oct 30 11:41:03 <MohammadAG51> and testing?
Oct 30 11:42:14 <dreamer> MohammadAG51: yes, I have extras-testing
Oct 30 11:42:27 <MohammadAG51> i'll send it there today then
Oct 30 11:43:05 <SpeedEvil> pastebinit never worked for me
Oct 30 11:43:09 <dreamer> haha
Oct 30 11:43:24 <dreamer> hmm, no shift+insert on the cli is annoying sometimes
Oct 30 11:44:07 <MohammadAG51> SpeedEvil, upgrade the package
Oct 30 11:46:16 <dreamer> ok, http://pastebin.com/F2v6beVd
Oct 30 11:46:43 <dreamer> but, I still can't find package apt in bugzilla (tbh, the bugzilla interface does not seem very userfriendly ..)
Oct 30 11:47:23 <MohammadAG51> apt isn't maemo specific
Oct 30 11:48:07 <dreamer> ah, in that sense
Oct 30 11:48:24 <dreamer> I thought on the apt packaged in maemo .. but this bugreport should go straight to the apt devs?
Oct 30 11:49:45 <MohammadAG51> probably yes
Oct 30 11:49:49 * MohammadAG51 pokes lcuk
Oct 30 11:50:00 <hrw> ho
Oct 30 11:50:36 <MohammadAG51> hey hrw
Oct 30 11:50:49 <MohammadAG51> hmm, someone's looking into porting dalvik for maemo?
Oct 30 11:51:31 <hrw> MohammadAG51: what for?
Oct 30 11:51:49 <MohammadAG51> android apps on the N900
Oct 30 11:53:32 <hrw> run nitroid?
Oct 30 11:54:28 <dreamer> MohammadAG51: where's the apt bugzilla then? -_- (really can't locate it ..)
Oct 30 11:58:22 <MohammadAG51> hrw, that requires reboots, and i hate android
Oct 30 11:58:45 <hrw> MohammadAG51: but you want dalvik which is android...
Oct 30 11:58:54 <hrw> am I only one who see it strange?
Oct 30 11:59:02 <MohammadAG51> hrw, did I say that?
Oct 30 11:59:14 <MohammadAG51> hrw, I'm just saying someone started porting it
Oct 30 11:59:38 <hrw> mkey
Oct 30 12:15:48 <Termana> MohammadAG51, why on earth would you want an N8?
Oct 30 12:15:50 <Termana> :p
Oct 30 12:16:35 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: i looked into it
Oct 30 12:17:12 <jacekowski> MohammadAG51: nothing very hard to do if you want to go android chroot way
Oct 30 12:17:15 <MohammadAG51> Termana, it's not for me
Oct 30 12:17:34 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: YOU'RE MAD??? I'm interested in MONEY, nothing else!!
Oct 30 12:18:29 <Noobmonk3y> DocScrutinizer: and sugar :)
Oct 30 12:18:41 <Noobmonk3y> and bacon
Oct 30 12:18:42 <Noobmonk3y> and trouts
Oct 30 12:18:47 <Noobmonk3y> and... and and.......
Oct 30 12:18:52 <DocScrutinizer> if it's large amounts in my caffee latte then yes
Oct 30 12:18:53 <Termana> MohammadAG51, who are you getting it for?
Oct 30 12:19:08 <Noobmonk3y> Termana: MohammadAG51 is getting it for his alterego MohammadAG
Oct 30 12:19:25 <Noobmonk3y> soon to be MohammadAGN8
Oct 30 12:21:07 <Termana> Funny. But who's it really going to and what did they do to deserve being treated like such crap?
Oct 30 12:21:08 <Termana> :p
Oct 30 12:26:58 <MohammadAG51> Termana, either one of my parents
Oct 30 12:27:08 <MohammadAG51> they like symbian, it's easy to use for them
Oct 30 12:27:40 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, too late, muhahaha
Oct 30 12:29:11 * Xhinde burns some children
Oct 30 12:34:25 <MohammadAG51> anyone got an N8? need a pic of the otg adapter
Oct 30 12:34:46 <Noobmonk3y> lol Mo
Oct 30 12:35:35 * MohammadAG51 loves it when noobs use sudo cd
Oct 30 12:36:10 * Noobmonk3y blinks
Oct 30 12:39:48 <dreamer> lol
Oct 30 12:41:53 <kerio> BACOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOOON
Oct 30 12:42:03 * Noobmonk3y blinks
Oct 30 12:42:48 * Xhinde drools
Oct 30 12:43:36 <Termana> Noobmonk3y, since when did you turn into a VCR?
Oct 30 12:43:51 <Noobmonk3y> about 30 years ago, was pre-emptive genius at the time
Oct 30 12:44:20 <Termana> I guess you didn't anticipate the DVD
Oct 30 12:44:33 <Termana> Now you'll be thrown in the trash in no time
Oct 30 12:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: AND EEEEEEEEEGS
Oct 30 12:50:12 <kerio> no, no egs
Oct 30 12:50:13 <kerio> eggs
Oct 30 12:50:21 <kerio> just bacon
Oct 30 13:00:14 <ozzi> Morning all.
Oct 30 13:00:43 <ozzi> Has anyone of you been able to connect n900 in an infrastructure mode with Ubuntu ?
Oct 30 13:01:17 <joga> (am I the only one who finds the term "infrastructure mode" repulsive?)
Oct 30 13:01:43 <ozzi> Ur not alone.
Oct 30 13:02:09 <ozzi> my n900 is also in that club apparently.
Oct 30 13:02:17 <x03>    /j security
Oct 30 13:02:19 <x03> oops
Oct 30 13:08:17 <dreamer> anyone know how to resolve the gpg issue with moff.mozilla.com ?
Oct 30 13:13:58 <Noobmonk3y> hmm in qt i use qfile to open a file like this - QFile file6("/sys/class/mmc_host/mmc0/cover_switch");, but what do i do if i want to open the results from dpkg etc?
Oct 30 13:20:37 <Noobmonk3y> alterego: any ideas? (Ie, reading output from terminal commands in qt?)
Oct 30 13:21:25 <lcuk> Noobmonk3y, you mean the qt equivilent of popen("someshellcmd"); ?
Oct 30 13:21:34 <Noobmonk3y> yup :)
Oct 30 13:21:44 <Noobmonk3y> lcuk, thank god you can translate noobisms!
Oct 30 13:22:24 <thp> is there an existing API for setting the empty text (i.e. "No conversations") in a GtkTreeView?
Oct 30 13:23:00 <Noobmonk3y> mornin thp :)
Oct 30 13:23:28 <lcuk> \o thp, not sure
Oct 30 13:24:09 <thp> but you know what i mean, right? ;)
Oct 30 13:24:12 <Kaadlajk> Noobmonk3y: use QProcess and readyReadStandardOutput() readAllStandardOutput ()
Oct 30 13:24:17 <lcuk> i do indeed
Oct 30 13:24:23 <Noobmonk3y> hehe just readin gup on QProcess :) :)
Oct 30 13:24:26 <Noobmonk3y> thank you v much
Oct 30 13:25:28 <thp> well, then i'll just dig into the code of some official apps and see if something's available there :p
Oct 30 13:26:36 <lcuk> thp i am trying to think which apps implement it also
Oct 30 13:27:02 <lcuk> i believe i filed bugs that layouts were unaligned in those
Oct 30 13:27:08 <lcuk> which makes me think they are just labels
Oct 30 13:33:14 <thp> lcuk: just checked in HAM source.. they're using a label, too :)
Oct 30 13:39:09 <Noobmonk3y> Kaadlajk: does this look right? http://pastebin.com/uVbgJqtZ
Oct 30 13:40:10 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, there's an easier way
Oct 30 13:40:26 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: there is always an easier way lol :P - fancy explaining?
Oct 30 13:40:41 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, basename /var/lib/dpkg/info/mp-fremantle-*.list .list
Oct 30 13:40:51 <Noobmonk3y> is that a file?
Oct 30 13:40:54 <MohammadAG> instead of all the weird grep stuff
Oct 30 13:40:58 <Noobmonk3y> oh no a command
Oct 30 13:40:59 <Noobmonk3y> sorry
Oct 30 13:41:05 <Noobmonk3y> ok, but i still need the qprocess
Oct 30 13:41:22 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, true, but it's faster than using dpkg -l
Oct 30 13:41:39 <Noobmonk3y> cool - still need to confirm what i have done is right though
Oct 30 13:41:39 <MohammadAG> dpkg -l reads all files in /var/lib/dpkg/info and it reads /var/lib/dpkg/status
Oct 30 13:41:42 <Noobmonk3y> as it's not reading yet
Oct 30 13:41:49 <MohammadAG> looks right to me, run it
Oct 30 13:41:58 <MohammadAG> hmm
Oct 30 13:42:11 * Noobmonk3y is running the new one
Oct 30 13:42:18 <MohammadAG> #include <QProcess> (maybe you missed it?)
Oct 30 13:42:22 <Noobmonk3y> hmm nothing
Oct 30 13:42:26 <MohammadAG> #include <QIODevice>
Oct 30 13:43:28 <Noobmonk3y> lol had both :P
Oct 30 13:43:44 <Kaadlajk> Noobmonk3y: if you do it like that you might not get all the output
Oct 30 13:43:53 <Noobmonk3y> ahhhhhhh
Oct 30 13:44:00 <Kaadlajk> havent actually never used it like that
Oct 30 13:44:07 <Noobmonk3y> have changed the command to Mo's one
Oct 30 13:44:12 <Noobmonk3y> but still nothing coming out
Oct 30 13:44:27 * Noobmonk3y is just gonna test that command and see what i get first lol
Oct 30 13:45:47 <Noobmonk3y> Mo, that doesnt read the version number out though
Oct 30 13:45:57 <Noobmonk3y> i just get generic-pr
Oct 30 13:46:51 <Noobmonk3y> hmmmmmmmmm
Oct 30 13:48:23 <ruskie> hmm t.m.o keeps returning: The server is too busy at the moment. Please try again later
Oct 30 13:48:41 <Noobmonk3y> ruskie - the noobs are attacking tmo in revolt.........
Oct 30 13:48:51 <Noobmonk3y> or just it's busy, and come back later ;)
Oct 30 13:52:13 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: meh
Oct 30 13:52:34 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, oh
Oct 30 13:52:44 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, I thought you didn't want version number lol
Oct 30 13:52:51 <Noobmonk3y> i'm trying to get the version ;) - actually do want both though :0
Oct 30 13:52:52 <Noobmonk3y> hehe
Oct 30 13:53:28 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# osso-product-info | grep OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION
Oct 30 13:53:30 <MohammadAG> OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='20.2010.36-2'
Oct 30 13:53:42 <Noobmonk3y> oooooooooooooo
Oct 30 13:53:49 <Noobmonk3y> i still need to use qprocess i assume
Oct 30 13:53:52 <Noobmonk3y> but thats what i want!
Oct 30 13:54:32 <MohammadAG> even better
Oct 30 13:54:34 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# osso-product-info | grep OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION | sed 's/OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='//g'' | sed "s/'//g"
Oct 30 13:54:35 <MohammadAG> 20.2010.36-2
Oct 30 13:55:14 <dsg> OSSO_PRODUCT_RELEASE_VERSION='<unknown>'
Oct 30 13:55:16 <dsg> huh
Oct 30 13:55:31 <MohammadAG> dsg, replaced the kernel
Oct 30 13:55:38 <dsg> ah, yes.
Oct 30 13:55:58 <MohammadAG> btw Noobmonk3y
Oct 30 13:56:08 <MohammadAG> you might want to use dpkg -l after all
Oct 30 13:56:20 <Noobmonk3y> lol?!
Oct 30 13:56:29 <Noobmonk3y> ok back to dpkg
Oct 30 13:56:29 <MohammadAG> and don't name them PR1.1/2/3 (or at least don't hardcode them)
Oct 30 13:56:35 <Noobmonk3y> :P
Oct 30 13:56:40 <MohammadAG> healthcheck atm crashes with a different version number
Oct 30 13:56:50 <MohammadAG> and that won't be uncommon after the SSU's out
Oct 30 13:57:17 <MohammadAG> just a hint, the metapackages will be uninstalled when you enable the SSU
Oct 30 13:57:26 <MohammadAG> and a community package (mp-fremantle-community-pr) will be installed
Oct 30 13:58:06 <MohammadAG> hmm
Oct 30 13:58:29 <Noobmonk3y> oh ffs
Oct 30 13:58:34 <MohammadAG> at git geeks, how do I clone a specific branch?
Oct 30 13:59:27 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: that still doesnt explain the qprocess bit not returning the dpkg
Oct 30 14:01:20 <MohammadAG> where's the paste again?
Oct 30 14:02:55 <Noobmonk3y> http://pastebin.com/UWmB23Kg
Oct 30 14:06:23 <lardman|home> what's up with bloody TMO?
Oct 30 14:06:28 <lardman|home> pardon my French
Oct 30 14:06:49 <Noobmonk3y> lardman|home: your french is perfect :)
Oct 30 14:07:00 <lardman|home> merci bien!
Oct 30 14:07:00 <Noobmonk3y> and tmo isn't
Oct 30 14:07:15 <Noobmonk3y> tmo is revolting, in more ways then one ;)
Oct 30 14:07:26 <lardman|home> It chopped off an attachment and now I can't even get back to the site to edit the post or upload a link
Oct 30 14:07:28 <lardman|home> grr
Oct 30 14:08:50 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, included <QIODevice>?
Oct 30 14:08:55 <Noobmonk3y> yup
Oct 30 14:10:43 <lcuk> Noobmonk3y, doesyour qt code look as good as your py code? :p
Oct 30 14:10:55 <Noobmonk3y> lcuk: sexier ;) lol
Oct 30 14:13:57 <MohammadAG> why the fuck is tmo still slow
Oct 30 14:20:48 <jacktheripper> is libgles available for scratchbox ?
Oct 30 14:21:02 <jacktheripper> I'm not able to build hildon-desktop because of this.
Oct 30 14:21:27 <MohammadAG> ii  libgles2-sgx-img-dev                 0.20100611.6+0m5                     OpenGL ES 2.0 SGX development files
Oct 30 14:21:34 <MohammadAG> apt-get install nokia-binaries
Oct 30 14:22:07 <jacktheripper> could you cat your /etc/apt/sources.list please ?
Oct 30 14:22:10 <jacktheripper> I can't find either packages
Oct 30 14:22:44 <MohammadAG> no, I can't cat it, but...
Oct 30 14:22:57 <MohammadAG> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php jacekowski
Oct 30 14:23:02 <MohammadAG> err
Oct 30 14:23:02 <MohammadAG> jacktheripper, ^
Oct 30 14:23:08 <MohammadAG> sorry jacekowski
Oct 30 14:25:34 * Noobmonk3y meh's
Oct 30 14:25:36 <Noobmonk3y> darn qprocess
Oct 30 14:29:20 <jacktheripper> MohammadAG, that solved it, thanks. I thought I did the nokia-binaries thing before :/
Oct 30 14:38:56 <Noobmonk3y> meh meh
Oct 30 14:39:31 <cehteh> mhm ... will an upgrade to 1.3 via fapman be risky?
Oct 30 14:42:05 <ruskie> if you remove all the various extra repos and only leave the main nokia ones it seems to be safe to do it even with apt-get
Oct 30 14:42:24 <DocScrutinizer> cehteh: yes
Oct 30 14:42:38 <ruskie> atleast I did it that way
Oct 30 14:42:48 <lcuk> cehteh, any upgrade of any system even with the entire might of the Earthforce military at your disposal is risky.  backup before you start :)
Oct 30 14:43:05 <cehteh> hehe yes backup for sure
Oct 30 14:43:35 <cehteh> well and i need ext4 .. is the community kernel ready for 1.3?
Oct 30 14:44:29 <ruskie> no clue... I rolled my own since I finally wanted fbcon again... and also pptp(which now just need to figure out how to do the routing effectively)
Oct 30 14:44:43 <MohammadAG> cehteh, you'll reverse changes done to the kernel
Oct 30 14:45:02 <ruskie> though did no reverse patching
Oct 30 14:45:04 <MohammadAG> kernel-power is based off 1.2's kernel
Oct 30 14:45:23 <MohammadAG> tmo's dead lol
Oct 30 14:45:25 <cehteh> yeah .. no 1.3 based power kernel yet?
Oct 30 14:45:32 <MohammadAG> no
Oct 30 14:45:48 <cehteh> mhm where there any vital kernel enhancements in 1.3?
Oct 30 14:45:55 <GAN900> Stupid piece of shit
Oct 30 14:45:59 <MohammadAG> yes, IO changes
Oct 30 14:46:12 <ruskie> GAN900, what is?
Oct 30 14:46:21 <GAN900> I start recording the crazy guy ranting at my coworker about how evolution's a lie
Oct 30 14:46:35 <GAN900> Switch away from the camera app to keep my cover
Oct 30 14:46:43 <GAN900> and it stops recording. . . .
Oct 30 14:46:50 <ruskie> I thought that was normal
Oct 30 14:47:11 <GAN900> Not a feature I care for.
Oct 30 14:47:24 <ruskie> did you want to video him or just voice record him?
Oct 30 14:47:34 <ruskie> there are apps there for voice recording
Oct 30 14:47:47 <MohammadAG> he probably knows
Oct 30 14:47:49 <cehteh> mhm i guess i wait a bit more with the 1.3 upgrade
Oct 30 14:48:22 * MohammadAG ponders upgrading kernel-power
Oct 30 14:48:44 * ruskie ponders packaging his kernel up...
Oct 30 14:49:02 <ruskie> along with uboot
Oct 30 14:49:20 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I still don't get how maemo's git works
Oct 30 14:49:22 <ruskie> still need to craft an initrd and flash that on it someplace
Oct 30 14:49:35 <MohammadAG> so fucked up compared to github/gitorious
Oct 30 14:49:49 <ruskie> MohammadAG, what's the issue?
Oct 30 14:50:09 <MohammadAG> I want to fetch a certain branch
Oct 30 14:50:15 <MohammadAG> from a repository
Oct 30 14:50:34 <ruskie> yes?
Oct 30 14:50:37 <ruskie> care for an example?
Oct 30 14:51:01 <MohammadAG> sure
Oct 30 14:51:14 <ruskie> note git can't pull specific branches out of repos
Oct 30 14:51:39 <ruskie> you need to clone the branch then checkout to the branch
Oct 30 14:51:47 <ruskie> erm clone the repo and then checkout the branch
Oct 30 14:52:07 <crashanddie> I think MohammadAG doesn't understand git as a whole
Oct 30 14:52:34 <ruskie> I believe the way github and such do it is by having each branch be it's own repo
Oct 30 14:52:38 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, I know how to push commits, that's about it :P
Oct 30 14:53:25 <MohammadAG> it's annoying how there's no progress bar
Oct 30 14:53:39 <ruskie> progress bar??
Oct 30 14:53:51 <MohammadAG> something to show status
Oct 30 14:54:05 <lcuk> careometer [|----------------]
Oct 30 14:54:15 <ruskie> MohammadAG, erm... for what? cloning?
Oct 30 14:54:25 <ruskie> last I checked it was outputting how much it already pulled
Oct 30 14:54:37 <lcuk> it does normally
Oct 30 14:54:38 <ruskie> tends to be rather quick
Oct 30 14:54:42 <ruskie> even with huge repos
Oct 30 14:54:42 <lcuk> depends on the repo
Oct 30 14:54:47 <MohammadAG> slapometer [|---------------->]
Oct 30 14:54:55 <lcuk> pulling entire git repo for something heavily used is tortuous
Oct 30 14:54:56 <ebzzry> ruskie: thanks for providing non-SSL access to your repo
Oct 30 14:55:13 <MohammadAG> even with --progress and -v
Oct 30 14:55:19 <ruskie> ebzzry, well you were the first to be bothered about it
Oct 30 14:55:27 <ruskie> haven't gotten a single person complaining about it yet
Oct 30 14:55:53 <lcuk> troutometer [><{{{*>------------]
Oct 30 14:56:04 <ebzzry> ruskie: my associates, by the way, experienced it too. =)
Oct 30 14:56:12 <ruskie> interestingmeter [-----------]
Oct 30 14:56:28 <ruskie> ebzzry, well had no issue on the n900
Oct 30 14:56:47 <ebzzry> ruskie: Anyway, it's good to see Zsh on your repo. =)
Oct 30 14:56:51 <ruskie> :)
Oct 30 14:57:03 <lcuk> MohammadAG, which repo are you cloning thats not giving feedback of progress?
Oct 30 14:58:11 <MohammadAG> hen's repo on https://vcs.maemo.org/git
Oct 30 14:58:25 <ruskie> fatal: https://vcs.maemo.org/git/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server?
Oct 30 14:58:59 <crashanddie> that repo is fucked up
Oct 30 14:59:00 <MohammadAG> https://vcs.maemo.org/git/h-e-n
Oct 30 14:59:12 <MohammadAG> very
Oct 30 14:59:39 <MohammadAG> and slow
Oct 30 14:59:43 <GAN900> ruskie, yeah, sadly no voice recorders installed at the moment.
Oct 30 14:59:47 <ruskie> ahh
Oct 30 14:59:47 <wazd> guys, I'm participating in "the most n00bish question 2010" contest
Oct 30 15:00:07 <wazd> how can I make wget to work on n900? :)
Oct 30 15:00:29 * alterego burps
Oct 30 15:00:36 <wazd> ah, nm
Oct 30 15:00:38 <alterego> Sorting out meh costume.
Oct 30 15:00:43 <wazd> I guess I've already found it
Oct 30 15:00:43 <MohammadAG> apt-get install wget
Oct 30 15:01:21 <wazd> MohammadAG: yeah, thanks :)
Oct 30 15:01:34 <wazd> wish me luck in winning! :D
Oct 30 15:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> wget --no-check-certificate https://bugs.maemo.org/attachment.cgi?id=2705  -O libvte4_0.16.14-0mh9.m5_armel.deb
Oct 30 15:02:13 <wazd> btw, anyone got any explaination why the conference was cancelled?
Oct 30 15:03:05 <alterego> What conference?
Oct 30 15:05:35 <wazd> alterego: Meego one
Oct 30 15:05:46 <GAN900> wazd, was it cancelled?
Oct 30 15:06:05 <GAN900> Is that how they declined peoples' sponsorship requests? :P
Oct 30 15:06:18 <jannau> wazd: what makes you think it was cancelled? http://conference2010.meego.com/
Oct 30 15:06:23 <wazd> GAN900: damn, it's pretty tough to scare people via IRC :D
Oct 30 15:06:26 <alterego> wazd: it's not cancelled ..
Oct 30 15:07:44 <ZogG> wazd you are scaring me
Oct 30 15:07:55 <wazd> ZogG: good :D
Oct 30 15:08:40 <ZogG> =(
Oct 30 15:09:26 <GAN900> Who's getting in Sunday morning?
Oct 30 15:43:50 <wellef> Ive got some problem with the autobuilder and, as far as I can see, Jeremiah isnt online.. Could anyone be kind helping me, please?
Oct 30 15:44:47 <MohammadAG> what's the problem?
Oct 30 15:45:58 <CharmingPrince> Enter text here...hi there
Oct 30 15:46:05 <CharmingPrince> any girl want chat
Oct 30 15:46:11 <wellef> Earlier today I uploaded my package (savepress) to extras-devel. Ive now tried upload a update but it fails and I cant figure out whats failing...
Oct 30 15:46:48 <luke-jr> CharmingPrince: girls don't use IRC
Oct 30 15:46:56 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, lies
Oct 30 15:47:01 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: no u
Oct 30 15:47:03 <CharmingPrince> ha ha ha
Oct 30 15:47:08 <CharmingPrince> zzzzzzzzzzzz
Oct 30 15:47:50 <MohammadAG> wellef, can you try to upload the same package again?
Oct 30 15:48:33 <MohammadAG> wellef, found it
Oct 30 15:48:47 <MohammadAG> wellef, you can't have line breaks in debian/control:Description
Oct 30 15:48:54 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, wait
Oct 30 15:49:08 <MohammadAG> CharmingPrince, what's 10+1?
Oct 30 15:49:42 <DocScrutinizer51> walking
Oct 30 15:50:03 <wellef> MohammadAG, aah. Is there a walkaround?
Oct 30 15:50:18 <MohammadAG> wellef, yes, replace the line break with a .
Oct 30 15:50:28 <CharmingPrince> 101 lol
Oct 30 15:50:36 <MohammadAG>  with the right side lock-key.
Oct 30 15:50:38 <MohammadAG>  .
Oct 30 15:50:38 <MohammadAG>  Features (all configable):
Oct 30 15:50:58 <MohammadAG> wellef, like that ^?
Oct 30 15:51:07 <wellef> MohammadAG, thank you very much :)
Oct 30 15:51:08 <MohammadAG> err, ignore the "?"
Oct 30 15:51:21 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, he/she/it left
Oct 30 15:51:21 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm
Oct 30 15:51:25 <DocScrutinizer51> k
Oct 30 15:51:44 <DocScrutinizer51> did a /whois ?
Oct 30 15:52:07 <MohammadAG> * [CharmingPrince] (~CharmingP@41.136.218.191): CharmingPrince
Oct 30 15:52:12 <MohammadAG> /whowas ftw :P
Oct 30 15:52:31 <DocScrutinizer51> thnx
Oct 30 15:59:48 <zap> Anybody knows where I can see minimal docs on /etc/powervr.ini ?
Oct 30 16:09:18 <lardman|home> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mbarcode-plugin-pythonqtwrapper_0.0.1-0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt any ideas chaps?
Oct 30 16:10:32 <lardman|home> doh!, seen it myself buried in the errors
Oct 30 16:12:38 * lardman|home wonders if the autobuilder is getting tired of trying to build this plugin... :)
Oct 30 16:20:34 <RST38h> heya lardman, all
Oct 30 16:21:15 <wellef> MohammadAG, still didnt work..
Oct 30 16:22:23 <lardman|home> hi RST38h and everyone else
Oct 30 16:24:20 <lardman|home> rrr dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for /usr/lib/libPythonQt.so.1 (used by debian/mbarcode-plugin-pythonqtwrapper/usr/share/mbarcode/plugins/libmbarcode_pythonqtwrapperplugin.so).
Oct 30 16:25:23 <lardman|home> I don't really understand why scratchbox builds report errors while the autobuilder reports errors
Oct 30 16:27:06 <wamty> "depends: python-2.5-qt4-core but is not going to be installed"
Oct 30 16:27:14 <wamty> im on maemo5 :)
Oct 30 16:28:39 <MohammadAG51> hostmode gained huge momentum :P
Oct 30 16:28:42 <CutMeOwnThroat> I think there's aptitude on maemo, too... if you can install that, you can say "aptitude why-not  python-2.5-qt4-core"
Oct 30 16:28:58 <ShadowJK> well this is strange, this "high capacity" battery shows up as 1499 maH after I manually told bq27200 to assume 1250mAh, and completed a learning cycle..
Oct 30 16:29:09 <lardman|home> iirc it conflicts with pr1.3
Oct 30 16:29:13 <SpeedEvil> Interesting
Oct 30 16:29:16 * ShadowJK was expecting less than 1200
Oct 30 16:30:00 <CutMeOwnThroat> mmh, no, seems there's not... I must have imagined seeing it :(
Oct 30 16:30:27 <SpeedEvil> umm - isn't 1250->1499 greater than one max learn increment?
Oct 30 16:30:31 <SpeedEvil> Ithought it was 1/8
Oct 30 16:30:55 <ShadowJK> oh was it 1/8 or 1/6?
Oct 30 16:30:58 <wamty> aptitude is not ported on maemo!
Oct 30 16:30:59 <wamty> :(
Oct 30 16:31:28 <ShadowJK> oh man there's a calculator app in maemo5
Oct 30 16:31:30 <MohammadAG51> I ported it, sorta
Oct 30 16:31:43 <MohammadAG51> but libcwidget is broken, so it segfaults on some devices
Oct 30 16:31:46 * ShadowJK stops typing in "echo $((1959/8))..." in sh
Oct 30 16:31:52 <CutMeOwnThroat> wamty, then you can only go along the dependencies by trying to install... so apt-get install  python-2.5-qt4-core, see why that doesnt work etc.
Oct 30 16:31:52 <SpeedEvil> yeah
Oct 30 16:31:55 <SpeedEvil> apt-get install bc
Oct 30 16:32:27 <lardman|home> in here: https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mbarcode-plugin-pythonqtwrapper_0.0.1-0/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
Oct 30 16:32:31 <wamty> tried that
Oct 30 16:32:38 <wamty> thats for me lardman?
Oct 30 16:32:44 <lardman|home> I get a no dependency information found error right at the bottom
Oct 30 16:32:52 <ShadowJK> SpeedEvil, yeah you're right, 1499 is on a 1/8th step-down from defaults
Oct 30 16:32:54 <lardman|home> wamty: no, I've a separate question
Oct 30 16:33:08 <wamty> CutMeOwnThroat, ended in "but somethingcompletely else is going to be installed"
Oct 30 16:33:34 <ShadowJK> I guess it didn't want to downlearn that much even when I did 1250 -> AR, AR->NAC sequence
Oct 30 16:33:45 <lardman|home> What I'm wondering is why it's looking for dep info from /usr/lib/libPythonQt.so.1 rather than /usr/lib/libPythonQt.so.1.0, and how I should fix this problem?
Oct 30 16:34:14 <wamty> any suggestions?
Oct 30 16:34:16 <CutMeOwnThroat> wamty, that's a bit vague
Oct 30 16:34:31 <wamty> what should I do now
Oct 30 16:34:45 <CutMeOwnThroat> I can answer in the same fashion... yes, twiddle this, install something and deinstall something else...
Oct 30 16:34:48 <lardman|home> s/so.1.0/so.1.0.0
Oct 30 16:39:33 <wamty> it was going to install something completely else
Oct 30 16:39:34 <wamty> sir
Oct 30 16:40:05 <CutMeOwnThroat> what's the message you get?
Oct 30 16:41:25 <CutMeOwnThroat> there's pastebinit in extras-devel
Oct 30 16:44:10 <CutMeOwnThroat> wamty, and aptitude is also in extras-devel
Oct 30 16:46:58 * timeless_xchat sighs
Oct 30 16:47:24 <timeless_xchat> n900 usb port failure
Oct 30 16:47:58 <SpeedEvil> Noooooo!
Oct 30 16:48:04 <SpeedEvil> :/
Oct 30 16:48:35 <CutMeOwnThroat> mmh, port
Oct 30 16:49:30 <lardman|home> cu later chaps
Oct 30 16:51:30 <timeless_xchat> what's the cheapest nokia phone that uses the BL-5J?
Oct 30 16:52:03 <MohammadAG> 5800
Oct 30 16:52:19 * MohammadAG suggests an external charger
Oct 30 16:52:29 <MohammadAG> or get a broken N95, the battery fits and chargers, sorta
Oct 30 16:52:40 <MohammadAG> it sticks out, but it chargers
Oct 30 16:54:29 <timeless_xchat> is there a page listing all suggestions?
Oct 30 16:55:51 <MohammadAG> timeless_xchat, I use a http://cgi.ebay.com/Desktop-Charger-Nokia-Battery-BL5J-5800-XpressMusic-/220531901109?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3358b9c2b5 though my port hasn't failed
Oct 30 16:56:22 <MohammadAG> (yet, *knocks on wood*)
Oct 30 16:56:57 <johnsq> Hi
Oct 30 16:57:03 <jacekowski> timeless_xchat: failed as in not working?
Oct 30 16:57:10 <jacekowski> timeless_xchat: or you managed to pull it out?
Oct 30 16:57:48 <MohammadAG> timeless_xchat, for a compatibility list, http://europe.nokia.com/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/batteries/nokia-battery-bl-5j/compatibility
Oct 30 16:57:57 <MohammadAG> but that doesn't phones in which it sticks out
Oct 30 17:00:23 <timeless_xchat> jacekowski: probably near to the latter
Oct 30 17:01:24 <real_ate> hi everyone... is there a maemo dev channel too?
Oct 30 17:01:37 <MohammadAG> #maemo-devel
Oct 30 17:01:54 <real_ate> MohammadAG: Cheers!
Oct 30 17:02:32 <fcrochik> anybody here also playing with meego? I am trying to install the sdk/qemu and can't get it to work...
Oct 30 17:02:52 <jacekowski> timeless_xchat: thing is that i can't charge from charger
Oct 30 17:02:58 <jacekowski> timeless_xchat: but i can charge from usb cable
Oct 30 17:03:32 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: no, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496
Oct 30 17:03:33 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
Oct 30 17:05:42 <trumee> anybody with working scratchbox?
Oct 30 17:06:00 <trumee> can somebody build this package for N900, http://simon-butler.com/software/autoconnect.tar.gz
Oct 30 17:06:20 <trumee> it is from here btw, http://simon-butler.com/software/autoconnect.tar.gz
Oct 30 17:06:25 <trumee> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3399
Oct 30 17:06:27 <povbot> Bug 3399: Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise
Oct 30 17:06:51 <jacekowski> i can
Oct 30 17:06:53 <jacekowski> probably
Oct 30 17:07:59 <timeless_mbp> trumee: eww
Oct 30 17:08:02 <timeless_mbp> that'd ruin me
Oct 30 17:08:14 <timeless_mbp> instead of my n900 picking a useful internet enabled network
Oct 30 17:08:23 <timeless_mbp> it'd pick my employer's presence broken network
Oct 30 17:08:46 <jacekowski> trumee: is it for 1.3?
Oct 30 17:09:06 <trumee> jacekowski: it is a qt code, should work in Pr1.3 i guess
Oct 30 17:09:19 <jacekowski> well, it's not working in 1.2
Oct 30 17:09:23 <jacekowski> i mean not compiling
Oct 30 17:10:23 <trumee> "using the new Qt  Mobility Bearer API" does it mean PR1.3?
Oct 30 17:10:54 <jacekowski> dunno
Oct 30 17:11:06 <jacekowski> let me finish upgrading my scratchbox
Oct 30 17:11:13 <trumee> The code was posted in PR1.2 era.
Oct 30 17:11:46 <trumee> timeless_mbp: i suppose it will be possible to specify the ssid in the code.
Oct 30 17:12:32 <wellef> MohammadAG, could you please have a look at my last try (savepress) and tell me what im doing wrong? :-/
Oct 30 17:14:30 <MohammadAG> wellef, you didn't do what I asked you to
Oct 30 17:14:35 <MohammadAG> replace the line breaks with a .
Oct 30 17:15:18 <lcuk> MohammadAG, show him one that works
Oct 30 17:15:24 <lcuk> to explain problem better
Oct 30 17:15:30 <MohammadAG> I did ;)
Oct 30 17:15:42 <MohammadAG>  *A button is visible in the power-button-menu when active, whenever you foregt if savepress is active.
Oct 30 17:15:44 <MohammadAG>  .
Oct 30 17:15:44 <MohammadAG>  Configfile in /home/user/.config/savepress
Oct 30 17:16:00 * MohammadAG looks at git
Oct 30 17:16:26 <MohammadAG> wellef, http://gitorious.org/psfreedomui/psfreedomui/blobs/master/debian/control line 14
Oct 30 17:16:38 * MohammadAG needs to update that...
Oct 30 17:16:43 <lcuk> :)
Oct 30 17:17:05 <wellef> Uhm.... My changes-file looks like that..
Oct 30 17:17:56 * timeless_mbp rotfl
Oct 30 17:18:05 <jacekowski> trumee: i it's not working in pr1.3
Oct 30 17:18:06 <timeless_mbp> "US Objects To the Kilogram"
Oct 30 17:18:31 <jacekowski> trumee: hmm, nvm
Oct 30 17:18:34 <jacekowski> trumee: it's working
Oct 30 17:18:39 <MohammadAG> wellef, did you rebuild the deb?
Oct 30 17:18:53 <MohammadAG> lcuk, any idea how I could make git reparse everything?
Oct 30 17:18:54 <lcuk> give it a new version number!
Oct 30 17:18:58 <MohammadAG> I moved some files around
Oct 30 17:19:06 <MohammadAG> lcuk, no, a FAILED build can be replaced
Oct 30 17:19:09 <lcuk> git add * ?
Oct 30 17:19:15 <jacekowski> trumee: do you want it?
Oct 30 17:19:22 <MohammadAG> that would make dupes :/
Oct 30 17:19:43 <lcuk> Mojust do git status
Oct 30 17:19:47 <wellef> Just edited the .changes..
Oct 30 17:19:51 <lcuk> it will say "arghhh files removed or something
Oct 30 17:19:53 <jacekowski> trumee: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/autoconnect
Oct 30 17:19:54 <MohammadAG> no
Oct 30 17:19:58 <MohammadAG> you don't edit .changes
Oct 30 17:20:02 <MohammadAG> you edit debian/control
Oct 30 17:20:10 <MohammadAG> then make a new package with dpkg-buildpackage -b
Oct 30 17:20:19 <jacekowski> and changelog
Oct 30 17:20:20 <wellef> Aaaah. Okey
Oct 30 17:20:21 <jacekowski> with dch
Oct 30 17:20:41 * MohammadAG has never used dch
Oct 30 17:25:28 <MohammadAG> thanks lcuk
Oct 30 17:25:53 <lcuk> MohammadAG, ?
Oct 30 17:25:57 <lcuk> did i borken it
Oct 30 17:26:36 <MohammadAG> lcuk, lol no
Oct 30 17:26:44 <lcuk> phew
Oct 30 17:26:45 <lcuk> :P
Oct 30 17:26:58 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I deleted gitorious.org
Oct 30 17:27:07 <lcuk> oh, everyone does that
Oct 30 17:27:11 <lcuk> at least once
Oct 30 17:27:39 <lcuk> i once had a firefox plugin, that let you select and remove parts of web pages
Oct 30 17:27:46 <lcuk> tracy went rampaging through slashdot
Oct 30 17:27:53 <lcuk> removing the entire front page piece by piece
Oct 30 17:28:06 <lcuk> then had a pang of guilt and asked if she had removed it for everyone
Oct 30 17:28:09 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 30 17:28:28 <MohammadAG> lemme guess, you said yes to have fun? :P
Oct 30 17:28:33 <lcuk> of course
Oct 30 17:28:39 <lcuk> geek code to adhere to
Oct 30 17:29:01 <Myrtti> geekcode? surely you don't mean the one people use in their signatures
Oct 30 17:29:13 <lcuk> Myrtti, not the written one
Oct 30 17:29:56 <Myrtti> lcuk: not http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=11575#post11575 one?
Oct 30 17:30:14 <Myrtti> just teasing
Oct 30 17:31:44 <wellef> MohammadAG, worked. Thanks a billion for your time :)
Oct 30 17:31:50 <trumee> jacekowski: thank you
Oct 30 17:31:59 * lcuk smiles at 5+++
Oct 30 17:32:26 <MohammadAG> wellef, you're welcome :)
Oct 30 17:32:50 <jdphone> ~pr1.3
Oct 30 17:32:51 <infobot> i guess pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update
Oct 30 17:33:02 <jdphone> ~flashing
Oct 30 17:33:03 <infobot> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Oct 30 17:38:50 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: did you look/laugh at HC?
Oct 30 17:39:34 <trumee> jacekowski: it works. thank you very much.
Oct 30 17:39:49 <trumee> timeless_mbp: hope that bug 3399 is squashed one day.
Oct 30 17:39:50 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/3399 Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise
Oct 30 17:40:09 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, link? lol
Oct 30 17:40:22 <timeless_mbp> trumee: generally i'd agree
Oct 30 17:40:22 <Noobmonk3y> i sent u the file! - well gave u the link lol
Oct 30 17:40:27 <timeless_mbp> but personally i think the whole design is broken
Oct 30 17:40:29 <lcuk> Noobmonk3y,
Oct 30 17:40:41 <timeless_mbp> whether i want to autoconnect to a network is a per network pref
Oct 30 17:40:42 <lcuk> i have said before, calling it HC and asking people to look/laugh at it
Oct 30 17:40:46 <lcuk> makes me giggle
Oct 30 17:40:47 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, where? lol
Oct 30 17:40:58 * Noobmonk3y is just here to make lcuk laugh and giggle ;)
Oct 30 17:41:00 <MohammadAG> MohammadAG51 is dead, testing hostmode on the N900
Oct 30 17:41:09 <Noobmonk3y> lol Mo
Oct 30 17:41:18 <Noobmonk3y> pm'd you
Oct 30 17:41:26 <Noobmonk3y> tis an old v now, as i'm marching on
Oct 30 17:41:58 * MohammadAG waits till download finishes before he pressing enter after "ROFLMFAO"
Oct 30 17:42:19 <MohammadAG> now now Noobmonk3y, that's the build!
Oct 30 17:42:26 <Noobmonk3y> ?
Oct 30 17:42:34 <Noobmonk3y> thats the code too!
Oct 30 17:42:39 <MohammadAG> clean binaries next time :P
Oct 30 17:42:44 <Noobmonk3y> oh
Oct 30 17:42:46 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Oct 30 17:42:51 <Noobmonk3y> well you didnt say what to send you lol
Oct 30 17:42:57 <Noobmonk3y> coulda just sent u a deb lol
Oct 30 17:43:03 <thp> how can i get the name of the currently-selected theme (i.e. the folder name in /usr/share/themes of the currently-selected theme)?
Oct 30 17:43:14 <Noobmonk3y> thp now that is a good question
Oct 30 17:43:18 <Noobmonk3y> when you find out can you let me know ;)
Oct 30 17:43:43 <MohammadAG> thp, if you find an answer, do forward it to me :)
Oct 30 17:44:25 <thp> hehe ;) that's a hot topic, huh?
Oct 30 17:45:21 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, UI is sexy
Oct 30 17:45:26 * MohammadAG looks at code, pukes :P
Oct 30 17:45:28 * Noobmonk3y smiles - yay!!!!
Oct 30 17:45:34 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: did you expect any different?
Oct 30 17:45:44 <Noobmonk3y> with the code anyway!
Oct 30 17:45:58 <MohammadAG> yes lol
Oct 30 17:46:01 <MohammadAG> btw
Oct 30 17:46:09 <MohammadAG> why doesn't the UI work on Ubuntu
Oct 30 17:46:19 <Noobmonk3y> no idea
Oct 30 17:46:25 <Noobmonk3y> added maemo5 to the code maybe?
Oct 30 17:46:45 <Noobmonk3y> QT       += core gui maemo5
Oct 30 17:46:51 <thp> Noobmonk3y, MohammadAG: got it.. /etc/hildon/theme is a symlink to the current theme
Oct 30 17:46:52 <Noobmonk3y> maybe?
Oct 30 17:47:03 * Noobmonk3y smiles at thp, and in a non sexual way!
Oct 30 17:47:09 <Noobmonk3y> thank you thp!
Oct 30 17:47:32 * Myrtti rolls her eyes
Oct 30 17:47:43 * Noobmonk3y dances on Myrtti's rolling eyes
Oct 30 17:47:54 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, includes go in .h, :)
Oct 30 17:47:59 <Noobmonk3y> meh meh
Oct 30 17:48:17 <Noobmonk3y> except for the .h includes you mean?
Oct 30 17:48:32 <MohammadAG> yes, like <QString> in hcmainwindow.cpp
Oct 30 17:48:38 <Noobmonk3y> moved :0 ty
Oct 30 17:48:44 <MohammadAG> you have it included twice lol
Oct 30 17:48:45 <Noobmonk3y> they where already in there oh well :P
Oct 30 17:48:48 <Noobmonk3y> hehe
Oct 30 17:48:52 <Noobmonk3y> gotta make sure, ya know :P
Oct 30 17:49:19 <Noobmonk3y> now all i need to figure out is qprocess and the first window is done ;)
Oct 30 17:49:27 <Noobmonk3y> i personally blame lcuk, meh ;)
Oct 30 17:49:38 <MohammadAG> though really, it should work on ubuntu
Oct 30 17:49:46 <MohammadAG> that's what Qt's about
Oct 30 17:49:50 <Noobmonk3y> probably, but, but... i dont care about ubuntu :)
Oct 30 17:50:07 <Noobmonk3y> i'm calling soooo many specific maemo stuff that i dont mind
Oct 30 17:50:20 <Noobmonk3y> and i'm doing it really only for maemo, until i get a meego device
Oct 30 17:50:40 <Noobmonk3y> or possibly *holds breath* symbian ;)
Oct 30 17:50:59 <MohammadAG> what does battery free mean?
Oct 30 17:51:25 <Noobmonk3y> % free
Oct 30 17:51:33 <Noobmonk3y> and it doesnt mean that
Oct 30 17:51:37 <Noobmonk3y> cos i've changed it
Oct 30 17:52:07 <Noobmonk3y> its actually battery temp, and it determines if you have the correct kernel or not :)
Oct 30 17:52:15 <Noobmonk3y> otherwise displays a polite fuck off ;)
Oct 30 17:52:19 <MohammadAG> I noticed that part
Oct 30 17:52:31 * Noobmonk3y has altered the code quite a bit this evening
Oct 30 17:52:58 <Noobmonk3y> anyway
Oct 30 17:53:00 <Noobmonk3y> like the idea?
Oct 30 17:53:05 <Noobmonk3y> stacked widgets work ok :)
Oct 30 17:55:00 <MohammadAG> empty window on ubuntu
Oct 30 17:55:04 <Noobmonk3y> ;)
Oct 30 17:55:05 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Oct 30 17:55:06 * MohammadAG curses trouts
Oct 30 17:55:10 <Noobmonk3y> run it on ya device :P
Oct 30 17:55:21 <MohammadAG> i did
Oct 30 17:55:25 <Noobmonk3y> did it not work?
Oct 30 17:55:31 * MohammadAG likes the about screen
Oct 30 17:55:41 <nuovodna> hi, where can i find a PR 1.3 compatible package of transmission torrent client?
Oct 30 17:55:47 <Noobmonk3y> :) :)
Oct 30 17:55:56 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 30 17:56:07 <MohammadAG> clicked your link, crashed half the about screen
Oct 30 17:56:21 <Noobmonk3y> hehe yeah
Oct 30 17:56:24 <Noobmonk3y> need to sort that ;)
Oct 30 17:56:29 <Noobmonk3y> will use a webkit i think
Oct 30 18:04:45 * timeless_mbp sighs
Oct 30 18:04:51 <timeless_mbp> so, my DVR has a wonderful feature
Oct 30 18:05:00 <timeless_mbp> if the disk is full when it tries to record a program
Oct 30 18:05:02 <Noobmonk3y> meh two fields to go - both need qporcess working ;)
Oct 30 18:05:09 <timeless_mbp> it tosses up a dialog box on the screen saying "disk is full" <ok>
Oct 30 18:05:19 <timeless_mbp> you have to dismiss the dialog to continue watching the program
Oct 30 18:05:26 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 30 18:05:33 <timeless_mbp> and each time it tries to record a new program, it gives you the dialog
Oct 30 18:05:33 <Noobmonk3y> timeless_mbp, sounds genius, does it text you "naaa naaa na naaa naaaaa"?
Oct 30 18:05:42 <timeless_mbp> Noobmonk3y: sadly it doesn't
Oct 30 18:05:45 <Noobmonk3y> ;) hehehe
Oct 30 18:05:47 <MohammadAG> LOL
Oct 30 18:05:56 <timeless_mbp> if it did, i could probably use that entrypoint to attack it
Oct 30 18:05:57 * MohammadAG needs to switch to QProcess
Oct 30 18:06:19 * Noobmonk3y farts
Oct 30 18:06:44 <Noobmonk3y> So MohammadAG your task in the next 20 minutes is to get qprocess working for me lol
Oct 30 18:06:49 <Noobmonk3y> then i have to cook dinner ;)
Oct 30 18:06:55 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 30 18:06:59 <Noobmonk3y> or should i just use popen?
Oct 30 18:07:03 <Noobmonk3y> as it will probably work ;)
Oct 30 18:07:08 <MohammadAG> NO
Oct 30 18:07:15 * Noobmonk3y will use it then lol
Oct 30 18:07:21 <MohammadAG> calling a shell to read values isn't good
Oct 30 18:07:31 <Myrtti> lcuk: can you remember the place I pointed you to for the N900 stickers?
Oct 30 18:07:35 <MohammadAG> wastes memory, makes the UI slow
Oct 30 18:07:44 <Noobmonk3y> hehehe
Oct 30 18:09:50 <Myrtti> graaaaaaahhhhh
Oct 30 18:12:03 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Oct 30 18:12:10 <Noobmonk3y> graaaaaaaaahhhh to you too ;)
Oct 30 18:12:47 <Myrtti> yeeeesss...?
Oct 30 18:13:29 <MohammadAG> this pic is win http://cache.gawkerassets.com/assets/images/4/2010/10/500x_mobilesuits.jpg
Oct 30 18:13:29 <Noobmonk3y> was just politely replying to your graaaaaaaaahhhh
Oct 30 18:13:43 <Noobmonk3y> lol it all points to nokia
Oct 30 18:13:57 <MohammadAG> out of*
Oct 30 18:13:59 <Noobmonk3y> oracle and google are soulmates ;)
Oct 30 18:14:22 <MohammadAG> those are lawsuits btw
Oct 30 18:14:24 <Noobmonk3y> Sharp, samsung & motorola (and htc) lol!
Oct 30 18:14:36 <Noobmonk3y> kodak have done pretty well ;)
Oct 30 18:14:50 <Noobmonk3y> yeah Mo, the title gives it away ;)
Oct 30 18:15:04 <lcuk> Myrtti, hold on
Oct 30 18:15:11 <lcuk> i sent link to tracy
Oct 30 18:15:58 <Myrtti> I had to peel my gelaskin stickers off my phone and I'm not sure will they stick when I get it back
Oct 30 18:16:00 <Noobmonk3y> and you where probably 10ft from each other when you sent it to her ;)
Oct 30 18:16:05 <Myrtti> so I might need to look for new stickers
Oct 30 18:17:09 <Myrtti> Noobmonk3y: I use delicious for that in any case, no matter how far SO is
Oct 30 18:17:24 <Myrtti> (and this time I will stick the bloody link on delicious too)
Oct 30 18:19:20 <SpeedEvil> Myrtti: wha sort of time?
Oct 30 18:19:28 <SpeedEvil> Myrtti: sickers
Oct 30 18:19:56 <Myrtti> SpeedEvil: you no sense make, young padawan
Oct 30 18:20:22 <SpeedEvil> Myrtti: I was trying to grep
Oct 30 18:21:00 <Myrtti> Between 14th of April and 15th of May
Oct 30 18:21:47 <lcuk> Myrtti,  http://www.istyles.com/nokia-nokia-n900-c-292_567_700.html
Oct 30 18:23:20 <Myrtti> brilliant ♥
Oct 30 18:23:27 <SpeedEvil> :)
Oct 30 18:24:04 <Myrtti> hmmm pink burberry...
Oct 30 18:25:22 <Myrtti> oh well, I suppose I should wait until I get it back first from the service place
Oct 30 18:28:03 * Noobmonk3y has never used delicious
Oct 30 18:28:05 <Noobmonk3y> whats it for?
Oct 30 18:28:30 <Myrtti> bookmarks
Oct 30 18:28:34 <Myrtti> and sharing them
Oct 30 18:31:51 <timeless_mbp> oh, the dvr still says "REC" on the front
Oct 30 18:31:55 <timeless_mbp> i'm not sure where it's recording..
Oct 30 18:31:59 <Noobmonk3y> ohhhh
Oct 30 18:32:05 <Noobmonk3y> theres a geeky tool for everything
Oct 30 18:32:11 <nid0> probably busily overwriting the last thing you recorded
Oct 30 18:32:15 <Noobmonk3y> now where is the missus.... she needs a phone lol
Oct 30 18:32:37 <timeless_mbp> nid0: the last 50 or so things all "recorded" w/ a full disk..
Oct 30 18:33:59 <Myrtti> I suppose döner for dinner on consecutive nights is a bad idea
Oct 30 18:34:10 <Myrtti> ... pasta it is then
Oct 30 18:36:04 <D-man> Guys, how would I install package libsqlite3-dev , apt-get says that it's not available but is referred to by another package..
Oct 30 18:37:07 <MohammadAG> on device?
Oct 30 18:38:30 <D-man> yes..
Oct 30 18:39:26 <D-man> pr1.3 if it matters :)
Oct 30 18:40:16 <MohammadAG> you need the SDK
Oct 30 18:40:19 <MohammadAG> or a chroot
Oct 30 18:40:31 <MohammadAG> or SDK repo links in sources.list, but that will easily fill your /
Oct 30 18:40:34 * RST38h has looked into somebody's Z80 emulator and understood what a clusterfuck is
Oct 30 18:41:31 <RST38h> if(CPU.A & 0x80) { /* Let us hope nobody does JP M,xxxx after operation not involving A */ }
Oct 30 18:42:02 <GNU\caustic> :)
Oct 30 18:42:12 <RST38h> Some people are funny. Has he REALLY thought nobody does JP M,xxxx after something like IN B,(C) ?
Oct 30 18:44:24 * Noobmonk3y blinks
Oct 30 18:44:28 <javispedro> hello world.
Oct 30 18:44:37 <RST38h> hello javispedro. login please.
Oct 30 18:45:02 <javispedro> > joshua
Oct 30 18:45:48 <derf> Wouldn't you prefer a nice game of chess?
Oct 30 18:47:19 <D-man> Oh great.. you mean all the sdk repos?
Oct 30 18:50:38 <javispedro> alsa -- grrr
Oct 30 18:50:59 <javispedro> what's with this three layers of abstraction, all of them part of the official public api
Oct 30 18:52:22 <MohammadAG> D-man, get the SDK
Oct 30 18:53:47 <RST38h> javis: Authors had both Asperger's and megalomania
Oct 30 18:54:36 <RST38h> Were going to design the Supreme Audio API ThatIs Suitable For Every Imaginable Use
Oct 30 18:55:00 <javispedro> no wonder people just system() the mixer binary and manipulate it via popen or cmd line args where possible instead of using the insane api
Oct 30 18:56:10 <javispedro> RST38h: also shocking are "whatever_alsa_struct_calloc"-#defines
Oct 30 18:56:35 <javispedro> what's wrong with the plain C syntax to allocate a struct on the stack?
Oct 30 18:58:26 <D-man> MohammadAG: Um.. I have it... I just given up on trying to do anything on it. It's an overkill.
Oct 30 19:00:20 * javispedro tries to gather source code from any project in order to try to make any sense out of hctl
Oct 30 19:12:48 <nox-> moin
Oct 30 19:21:20 * Noobmonk3y returnethhhhhh
Oct 30 19:21:26 * Noobmonk3y is off to do the washing up!
Oct 30 19:31:09 <frett> hi guys
Oct 30 19:31:18 <frett> got a quick question
Oct 30 19:31:37 <frett> is the n900 kernel a "file"? such as **.bin?
Oct 30 19:32:15 <frett> the thing is, that im trying to install archmobile, and it needs you to cp the kernel to the arch
Oct 30 19:34:06 * Noobmonk3y returneth again
Oct 30 19:34:21 <Noobmonk3y> ooo frett wake MohammadAG up :P
Oct 30 19:34:54 <MohammadAG> the kernel is on /dev/mtd2(iirc)
Oct 30 19:35:04 <MohammadAG> and no, it's a zImage that is flashed to that partition
Oct 30 19:35:16 <chupy35> hi, i fucked it up, i was getting some rootfs space but i remove /usr/lib/locale/  languages files or whatever it is like ar_something,  now my phone menus is like technical like instead of media player is mp_ti_mp
Oct 30 19:35:30 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Oct 30 19:35:39 <Noobmonk3y> removed the language files? :P
Oct 30 19:35:44 <Noobmonk3y> backup - then reflash ;P
Oct 30 19:35:58 <chupy35> :S
Oct 30 19:36:01 <Noobmonk3y> hehe
Oct 30 19:36:03 <frals> did you not expect the language to disappear if you removed the language files? :P
Oct 30 19:36:20 <chupy35> i dont want to reflash please, i just conserved en and es files
Oct 30 19:36:20 <Noobmonk3y> frals: shhhhhhhh they are starting to think i am intellamegent
Oct 30 19:36:51 <Noobmonk3y> chupy, sensibley ... dont accept random files from other people - the safest way is to reflash, but...
Oct 30 19:36:52 <frett> MohammadAG so it is not possible to just cp the kernel?
Oct 30 19:36:58 <chupy35> can someone share me his /usr/lib/locale
Oct 30 19:37:00 <Noobmonk3y> if you really want i'll go hunt that folder out and upload em
Oct 30 19:37:10 <Noobmonk3y> evening frals
Oct 30 19:37:12 <chupy35> thanks that will be helpfull
Oct 30 19:37:15 <Noobmonk3y> chupy, gimme 10 mins :)
Oct 30 19:37:22 <chupy35> ok thanks :D
Oct 30 19:37:32 <frals> ello Noobmonk3y
Oct 30 19:37:43 <MohammadAG> chupy35, you need en_GB
Oct 30 19:37:47 <MohammadAG> or en_US
Oct 30 19:37:49 <MohammadAG> not just en
Oct 30 19:37:54 <Noobmonk3y> :p
Oct 30 19:37:54 <chupy35> i have that ones
Oct 30 19:37:58 <chupy35> the others
Oct 30 19:38:07 <chupy35> i remove them
Oct 30 19:38:24 <Noobmonk3y> which do you need? lol
Oct 30 19:38:35 <MohammadAG> frett, I've never heard of cping the tutorial
Oct 30 19:38:39 <MohammadAG> Noobmonk3y, upload all of them :P
Oct 30 19:38:40 <Noobmonk3y> hehe
Oct 30 19:38:56 <chupy35> all the /usr/lib/locale please
Oct 30 19:39:00 <Noobmonk3y> ok, dloading, will zip them and upload
Oct 30 19:39:15 <chupy35> thanks
Oct 30 19:39:17 <Noobmonk3y> if winscp decides to uncrash on me!
Oct 30 19:40:34 <Noobmonk3y> it's copying :P
Oct 30 19:40:37 <Noobmonk3y> sloooooooooooooowly
Oct 30 19:40:40 <chupy35> thanks
Oct 30 19:40:42 <frett> Well, anybody ever made ArchMobile work on the n900
Oct 30 19:40:46 <Noobmonk3y> omg, did you delete a feck ass folder!
Oct 30 19:41:14 * Noobmonk3y quickly replaces english with pirate english, shhhhhhhhhhhhhhh no-one would ever know ;)
Oct 30 19:41:30 <chupy35> what? XD
Oct 30 19:41:40 <Noobmonk3y> lol i was only joking ;)
Oct 30 19:41:52 <Noobmonk3y> 15% copied! lol
Oct 30 19:42:35 <Noobmonk3y> 10 mins remaining on copy, so add 2 mins to package and upload to ftp - and it's all yours ;)
Oct 30 19:44:29 <chupy35_> sorry Noobmonk3y also my wifi sucks
Oct 30 19:44:48 <chupy35_> cheap router
Oct 30 19:45:54 <Noobmonk3y> not a prob
Oct 30 19:46:03 <Noobmonk3y> once i'm done it's all up to you to dload
Oct 30 19:46:14 <Noobmonk3y> it will be in a zip or rar file, up to you:P
Oct 30 19:47:38 <chupy35_> whatever you want
Oct 30 19:48:22 <chupy35_> look how it looks http://a.yfrog.com/img100/9906/bqi.png
Oct 30 19:48:25 <Noobmonk3y> 5mb, just uploading
Oct 30 19:48:39 <Noobmonk3y> lol thats the programming vars, i like
Oct 30 19:49:20 <chupy35_> but everything is like that, is not nice
Oct 30 19:49:32 <Noobmonk3y> chupwww.greg-roberts.com/locale.zip
Oct 30 19:49:35 <Noobmonk3y> done chupy35_
Oct 30 19:49:38 <MohammadAG> chupy35_, you should see mine when I corrupted some stuff
Oct 30 19:49:42 <Noobmonk3y> www.greg-roberts.com/locale.zip even
Oct 30 19:49:45 <MohammadAG> shoud've seen*
Oct 30 19:50:04 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: when you corrupt something, it causes george Bush to stutter it corrupts that bad
Oct 30 19:50:16 <chupy35_> thanks Noobmonk3y, hope that works
Oct 30 19:50:24 <MohammadAG> doesn't he always :P
Oct 30 19:50:24 * Noobmonk3y is crossing fingers and toes
Oct 30 19:50:31 <Noobmonk3y> exactley my point ;)
Oct 30 19:50:44 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: the misses is making chocolate for me!
Oct 30 19:50:46 <chupy35_> troyan.exe O.o lol
Oct 30 19:50:55 <Noobmonk3y> (not that melt premade stuff) but from the raw ingredients!
Oct 30 19:51:02 <Noobmonk3y> lols
Oct 30 19:51:11 <MohammadAG> http://i51.tinypic.com/143oxsk.jpg chupy35_
Oct 30 19:51:27 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: how dare you release the new Healthcheck pic ;)
Oct 30 19:51:28 <Noobmonk3y> lol
Oct 30 19:51:50 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 30 19:52:08 <MohammadAG> you have to admit though, that's a nice corruption
Oct 30 19:52:13 <Noobmonk3y> yup!
Oct 30 19:52:18 <chupy35_> damn, that is worst
Oct 30 19:52:23 <chupy35_> dont play with ssh
Oct 30 19:52:25 <chupy35_> lol
Oct 30 19:52:27 <Venemo_N900> hi
Oct 30 19:52:28 <Noobmonk3y> pity things still look almost normal, if it looked like iphone4, i woulda given ya 10/10
Oct 30 19:52:35 <MohammadAG> you should see the menu :P
Oct 30 19:52:37 <Venemo_N900> anyone used Transmission yet?
Oct 30 19:52:42 <Noobmonk3y> not me
Oct 30 19:52:48 <Noobmonk3y> lo venemo :)
Oct 30 19:52:56 <MohammadAG> chupy35_, http://i56.tinypic.com/2e2i1kl.jpg <-- best pic eva
Oct 30 19:53:05 <Venemo_N900> it says "port is closed" for any port I tried to add
Oct 30 19:53:06 <Noobmonk3y> lol ok i agree, that is cool
Oct 30 19:53:12 <Venemo_N900> hey MohammadAG51
Oct 30 19:53:17 <MohammadAG> heya Venemo_N900
Oct 30 19:53:20 <Noobmonk3y> Venemo_N900: it thinks you smell.... not good :(
Oct 30 19:53:24 <chupy35_> is that locale problem or what?
Oct 30 19:53:32 <chupy35_> do u reflash?
Oct 30 19:53:36 <MohammadAG> no, corrupt /home (including /opt)
Oct 30 19:53:40 <Noobmonk3y> chupy35_: MohammadAG plays with more then the locales lol
Oct 30 19:53:48 <MohammadAG> NFS Stale Handle
Oct 30 19:54:01 <Noobmonk3y> he's trying to turn his phone into a new kind of god i think
Oct 30 19:54:03 <MohammadAG> so I couldn't rm or do anything except backup what was left, then flash
Oct 30 19:54:11 <Venemo_N900> so, any ideas?
Oct 30 19:54:16 <MohammadAG> and what was left wasn't really a lot :P
Oct 30 19:54:23 <Noobmonk3y> Venemo_N900: transmission the bittorrent thing?
Oct 30 19:54:29 <Venemo_N900> Noobmonk3y: yes
Oct 30 19:54:31 <chupy35_> lol,
Oct 30 19:54:38 * MohammadAG wouldn't use transmission on the N900
Oct 30 19:54:55 <Venemo_N900> well I have no access to a desktop computer right now
Oct 30 19:55:09 * MohammadAG rephrases
Oct 30 19:55:12 * MohammadAG wouldn't use transmission on *
Oct 30 19:55:12 <Venemo_N900> so it is my only optoon atm
Oct 30 19:55:15 <MohammadAG> I hate torrents :P
Oct 30 19:55:21 <Noobmonk3y> well Venemo_N900 the FAQ says... port forwarding or something is screwing it up!
Oct 30 19:55:23 <chupy35_> rtorrent
Oct 30 19:55:25 <Turski> i would use rtorrent on *
Oct 30 19:55:27 <MohammadAG> warez ftw :p
Oct 30 19:55:36 <chupy35_> yup
Oct 30 19:55:38 <Venemo_N900> me too, but my gf wants to show me a series :)
Oct 30 19:56:08 <MohammadAG> well
Oct 30 19:56:11 <MohammadAG> DMZ ftw then
Oct 30 19:56:13 <MohammadAG> open all ports
Oct 30 19:56:24 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: how do I do that?
Oct 30 19:56:35 <MohammadAG> router
Oct 30 19:56:40 <Noobmonk3y> chupy35_: did it work?
Oct 30 19:56:42 <MohammadAG> router settings
Oct 30 19:56:52 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: well I dunno of any bad settings
Oct 30 19:56:56 <MohammadAG> then go to the DMZ section, and put your N900's IP there
Oct 30 19:56:59 <MohammadAG> then save
Oct 30 19:57:05 <MohammadAG> should open up all ports on that IP
Oct 30 19:57:12 <MohammadAG> that's how I torrent when I desperately need it
Oct 30 19:57:14 <Venemo_N900> it even says port 80 is closed, but http is definitely working on the device
Oct 30 19:57:18 <MohammadAG> lol
Oct 30 19:57:32 <MohammadAG> maybe transmission's buggy on 1.3?
Oct 30 19:57:43 <Venemo_N900> hm, I dunno
Oct 30 19:57:45 <MohammadAG> [19:51:15] <nuovodna> hi, where can i find a PR 1.3 compatible package of transmission torrent client?
Oct 30 19:57:58 <MohammadAG> it's 21:53 here if you're wondering
Oct 30 19:58:12 <Venemo_N900> oh, so it is not working
Oct 30 19:58:15 <Venemo_N900> :(
Oct 30 19:58:33 <MohammadAG> and qwerty left
Oct 30 19:58:45 <Venemo_N900> eh
Oct 30 19:58:55 <MohammadAG> he's the maintainer afaik
Oct 30 19:59:05 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Oct 30 19:59:06 <Venemo_N900> well he didn't do it alone
Oct 30 19:59:39 <chupy35_> i ll be back
Oct 30 19:59:45 <Noobmonk3y> ok arnie
Oct 30 20:01:16 <Venemo_N900> chupy35_: see ~flashing
Oct 30 20:02:04 <Noobmonk3y> MohammadAG: did you complete your homework earlier? and get Qprocess working? ;)
Oct 30 20:03:16 <MohammadAG> no :P
Oct 30 20:03:49 <Noobmonk3y> fail
Oct 30 20:03:51 <Noobmonk3y> fail fail fail
Oct 30 20:03:53 <Noobmonk3y> ~fail
Oct 30 20:03:54 <infobot> FAIL.
Oct 30 20:08:08 <chupy35> transfering...
Oct 30 20:10:07 <chupy35> rebooting...
Oct 30 20:12:45 <chupy35> Noobmonk3y, dont work :(
Oct 30 20:13:21 <Noobmonk3y> lol!
Oct 30 20:13:30 <Noobmonk3y> not for lack of trying :P
Oct 30 20:13:56 <chupy35> i also use the free rootfs scripts, maybe that :S
Oct 30 20:16:38 <chupy35> mmmm... can i back it up all?, my apps and files and all of that?
Oct 30 20:16:57 <chupy35> including nitdroid and webos apps
Oct 30 20:17:33 <Noobmonk3y> yup
Oct 30 20:17:38 <Noobmonk3y> well the backup does most
Oct 30 20:17:44 <Noobmonk3y> backup any special files just incase
Oct 30 20:24:12 <lbt> has 1.3 brought back the network connection error problems ?
Oct 30 20:26:33 <GAN900> Did they ever go away?
Oct 30 20:30:17 <Shapeshifter> does anyone else have pronlims with the 'update automatically' time on the n900? mine is constantly 4 minutes into the future
Oct 30 20:30:31 <Shapeshifter> I gave up and set it manually
Oct 30 20:30:34 <jacekowski> anybody here using preenv?
Oct 30 20:30:54 <Shapeshifter> jacekowski: me
Oct 30 20:31:02 <jacekowski> where do you get apps?
Oct 30 20:31:08 <jacekowski> to run on it?
Oct 30 20:31:13 <jacekowski> like games and stuff
Oct 30 20:32:15 <Shapeshifter> jacekowski: uhm... zee rapishare? ... :!
Oct 30 20:32:46 <jacekowski> you are recommending piracy?
Oct 30 20:32:54 <Shapeshifter> jacekowski: you're supposed to have a pre and have the ipks
Oct 30 20:33:11 <jacekowski> if i would have pre i wouldn't have n900
Oct 30 20:33:18 <Shapeshifter> jacekowski: I'm answering your question
Oct 30 20:35:58 <Shapeshifter> you cannot buy the games unless you have a pre afaik although I might be wrong. be aware however that most games only make sense if you have multitouch
Oct 30 20:36:08 <Shapeshifter> which you have not
Oct 30 20:38:26 <Shapeshifter> although a few people, including me, are looking into faking multigtoch
Oct 30 20:39:04 <chupy35> i download them lol
Oct 30 20:39:25 <chupy35> i have seen something of multitouch resistive screens
Oct 30 20:39:37 <jacekowski> you can do multitouch on resistive
Oct 30 20:39:41 <jacekowski> just n900 doesn't do it
Oct 30 20:39:52 <jacekowski> i mean n900 resistive screen is not designed for multitouch
Oct 30 20:41:25 <chupy35> there are some unlicensed windows mobile 6 drivers that makes resistive multitouch
Oct 30 20:42:19 <jacekowski> only if screen have support for it
Oct 30 20:42:23 <jacekowski> but n900 can't do it
Oct 30 20:43:16 <Shapeshifter> jacekowski: the idea is to hack sdl and make the keyboard vreate fake finge touch events
Oct 30 20:43:26 <Shapeshifter> create
Oct 30 20:43:30 <Shapeshifter> finger
Oct 30 20:43:38 <Shapeshifter> damn alcohol :!
Oct 30 20:44:00 <Shapeshifter> damn satirday and damn mobile internet :)
Oct 30 20:44:10 <Shapeshifter> saturday even...
Oct 30 20:45:23 <Shapeshifter> you could map all the keys on the keyboard to relate to areas of the screen or at least make so of the keys cause a touch event
Oct 30 20:48:57 <lbt> GAN900: heh ... mine did
Oct 30 20:51:36 <pupnik> http://www.expansys.de/nokia-e7-eu-schwarz-qwerty-204143/  Nokia E7, 640x360, 683 euro
Oct 30 20:52:36 <pupnik> course they want 1,000 for an iphone 4
Oct 30 20:54:22 <nox-> Symbian 3 hmm
Oct 30 20:54:32 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, ping
Oct 30 20:58:00 <chupy35> can i reinstall local files? and how
Oct 30 20:59:29 <MohammadAG> good question
Oct 30 20:59:37 <phryk> files?
Oct 30 20:59:39 <MohammadAG> sec
Oct 30 20:59:47 <phryk> Do you mean packages?
Oct 30 20:59:47 <chupy35> mmm.. i dont want to reflash
Oct 30 20:59:50 <chupy35> yep
Oct 30 20:59:55 <chupy35> look my phone
Oct 30 21:00:12 <phryk> If you have root access you can reinstall a package with apt-get or aptitude (if installed)
Oct 30 21:00:43 <lbt> so... does anyone know a simple howto to create a desktop icon on the n900 to run a shell script ?
Oct 30 21:01:10 <chupy35> http://a.yfrog.com/img526/2812/x5o.png
Oct 30 21:01:18 <chupy35> everything is like that
Oct 30 21:01:25 <MohammadAG> chupy35, got ssh?
Oct 30 21:01:30 <chupy35> yes
Oct 30 21:01:34 <Funnyface> I never really missed multitouch on my N900
Oct 30 21:01:34 <MohammadAG> then ssh
Oct 30 21:01:48 <MohammadAG> I'll give you some command you could try
Oct 30 21:01:55 <chupy35> MohammedAG then?, ok
Oct 30 21:02:22 <Funnyface> of course I wouldn't mind if it supported it, but it's not a major drawback. I just use one finger on the display anyway
Oct 30 21:02:46 <ShadowJK> pupnik, 31.7% cheaper than iphone!omg
Oct 30 21:02:59 <chupy35> MohammadAG in ssh what can i do?
Oct 30 21:03:17 <MohammadAG> chupy35, cd /var/lib/dpkg/info
Oct 30 21:04:22 <chupy35> ahora
Oct 30 21:04:22 <pupnik> what does e7 do better than motorola milestone 2?  http://android-tech.com/motorola-milestone-2-makes-android-is-the-first-time-coming-in-q4/
Oct 30 21:04:28 <chupy35> , ok, now
Oct 30 21:04:48 <chupy35> MohammadAG i am on dpkg
Oct 30 21:04:59 <MohammadAG> sec, this isn't the easiest thing :P
Oct 30 21:05:06 <pupnik> e7 styling is beter
Oct 30 21:05:08 <chupy35> ok, sorry :P
Oct 30 21:06:08 <MohammadAG> chupy35, yay, got the command
Oct 30 21:06:09 <MohammadAG> 0 upgraded, 0 newly installed, 1028 reinstalled, 0 to remove and 12 not upgraded.
Oct 30 21:06:43 <chupy35> :D MohammadAG , yes?
Oct 30 21:06:56 <MohammadAG> chupy35, apt-get --reinstall install `find -name "*l10n*.list"| sed 's/.\///g' | sed 's/.list//g' | xargs`
Oct 30 21:07:11 <MohammadAG> copy it as it is here, since ' !=`
Oct 30 21:07:11 <MohammadAG> etc
Oct 30 21:07:52 <chupy35> ok,  like this?
Oct 30 21:08:00 <MohammadAG> as it is above
Oct 30 21:08:03 <chupy35> apt-get --reinstall install `find -name "*l10n*.list"| sed  's/.\///g' | sed 's/.list//g' | xargs`
Oct 30 21:08:08 <MohammadAG> yes
Oct 30 21:08:19 <MohammadAG> you have to be in /var/lib/dpkg/info of course
Oct 30 21:12:14 <chupy35> MohammadAG ssh problem :S wait :P
Oct 30 21:12:38 <MohammadAG> stuck without showing anything after the 0 upgraded... line?
Oct 30 21:12:50 <MohammadAG> most likely your device being slow, not an ssh problem, got the same :)
Oct 30 21:15:30 <chupy35> 1028 reinstalled
Oct 30 21:15:31 <DocScrutinizer51> *bburrp*
Oct 30 21:15:32 <chupy35> :O
Oct 30 21:15:46 <chupy35> MohammadAG 1028 Reinstalled
Oct 30 21:15:47 <chupy35> XD
Oct 30 21:16:25 * Noobmonk3y farts
Oct 30 21:18:27 * b-man` passes out
Oct 30 21:18:32 <MohammadAG> chupy35, :)
Oct 30 21:21:09 * Noobmonk3y giggles
Oct 30 21:21:12 <Noobmonk3y> right
Oct 30 21:21:25 <Noobmonk3y> bed.... well... projector on the ceiling
Oct 30 21:22:47 * chupy35 thinks after that i will have rootfs full
Oct 30 21:22:57 <chupy35> Processing was halted because there were too many errors.
Oct 30 21:22:57 <chupy35> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1)
Oct 30 21:23:04 <chupy35> Noobmonk3y
Oct 30 21:23:08 <chupy35> should i reboot
Oct 30 21:23:11 <Noobmonk3y> yyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyes
Oct 30 21:23:13 <Noobmonk3y> oh
Oct 30 21:23:14 <Noobmonk3y> hold on
Oct 30 21:23:17 <chupy35> ok
Oct 30 21:23:19 <Noobmonk3y> was just answering yes to my name
Oct 30 21:23:25 <chupy35> ok XD
Oct 30 21:23:30 <b-man`> lol
Oct 30 21:24:08 <Noobmonk3y> when did these errors occur? flashing?
Oct 30 21:24:48 <chupy35> no Noobmok3y, after removing /usr/lib/locale files, i restore them but that didnt work
Oct 30 21:24:49 <Noobmonk3y> b-man`: tough being me, lol
Oct 30 21:25:02 <Noobmonk3y> so when exactley did the error occur?
Oct 30 21:25:04 <Noobmonk3y> reboot?
Oct 30 21:25:10 <lbt> is extras repo offline
Oct 30 21:25:12 <chupy35> no, after a time
Oct 30 21:25:22 <chupy35> of deleting that files
Oct 30 21:25:25 <chupy35> do i reboot now?
Oct 30 21:25:51 <lbt> X-Fade: ping .... repository.maemo.org seems dead
Oct 30 21:25:53 <Noobmonk3y> well, it wont make a difference, but i still dontknow what you did to make that error appear, something musta happenned just b4
Oct 30 21:26:05 <Noobmonk3y> lbt:  it's on holiday in dublin ;)
Oct 30 21:26:16 <chupy35> ok, i am going to reboot phone so lets, see...
Oct 30 21:26:18 <lbt> an error occured!
Oct 30 21:26:20 <lbt> Reference #97.4521214e.1288473689.abe3d28
Oct 30 21:26:24 <lbt> no kidding!
Oct 30 21:26:27 <Noobmonk3y> cool :)
Oct 30 21:26:34 <lbt> that's a shitload of errors before mine
Oct 30 21:26:37 <lbt> :)
Oct 30 21:27:08 * lbt decides to not upgrade wife's n900 right now...
Oct 30 21:28:13 <chupy35> Noobmonk3y, dont work :(
Oct 30 21:28:18 <chupy35> sorry
Oct 30 21:28:23 <Noobmonk3y> lol but ya back
Oct 30 21:28:26 <chupy35> MohammadAg dont work
Oct 30 21:28:29 <Noobmonk3y> ok, so reflashed....
Oct 30 21:28:34 <Noobmonk3y> rebooted still failed
Oct 30 21:28:48 <Noobmonk3y> the best and last thing you can do is flash the emmc + reflash .......
Oct 30 21:28:56 <Noobmonk3y> that should set it back to factory settings
Oct 30 21:30:11 <MohammadAG> chupy35, why?
Oct 30 21:30:43 <chupy35> dont know, is still the same way it was
Oct 30 21:31:42 <MohammadAG> did you reboot?
Oct 30 21:33:52 <chupy35> yes
Oct 30 21:33:52 <chupy35> i also use some rootfs scripts
Oct 30 21:33:52 <chupy35> yes, it should be another way
Oct 30 21:34:17 <chupy35> i even can see the hour :(
Oct 30 21:36:46 <chupy35> fuck i forget my usb cable in other house, this suck so much
Oct 30 21:40:42 * DocScrutinizer51 rsyncs a usb cable to chupy35 
Oct 30 21:45:40 <chupy35> MohammadAG do u dont have any other idea? :P
Oct 30 21:47:00 <MohammadAG> nope, otherwise I would've said it lol
Oct 30 21:49:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~trout MohammadAG
Oct 30 21:49:00 * infobot slaps MohammadAG around a bit with a large trout!
Oct 30 21:53:39 <andyph666> is there an easy way to test if injection works
Oct 30 22:00:12 <MohammadAG> aireplay -9 wlan0
Oct 30 22:03:58 <pupnik>  http:// www.asymco.com/2010/08/17/androids-pursuit-of-the-biggest-losers/   apple created revolutionary profits in 2008-2009
Oct 30 22:04:03 <pupnik> those numbers are amazing
Oct 30 22:09:29 <pigeon> does anyone the maximum number of vertices the n900 pvr gl can do for glDrawArrays?
Oct 30 22:09:49 <CutMeOwnThroat> have you tried mbarcode? seems to work well for short 1D barcodes, failed for me for a longer code (or unknown encoding of course, how could I see) and the 2D like codes...
Oct 30 22:10:02 <CutMeOwnThroat> also tried it on the US drivers license and it read one out of three
Oct 30 22:10:56 <SpeedEvil> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=QhZf8Oqlv9Q&ob=av2n
Oct 30 22:10:58 <SpeedEvil> (almost)
Oct 30 22:15:35 <floyd84>  /RELOAD
Oct 30 22:16:26 <SpeedEvil> "sub maximal" Vo2 masturbation calories "heart rate"
Oct 30 22:16:26 <DocAvalanche> http://www.the-sisters-of-mercy.com/tech/doktors.htm
Oct 30 22:16:33 <SpeedEvil> err
Oct 30 22:16:38 <SpeedEvil> wrong window.
Oct 30 22:17:45 <kerio> haha what
Oct 30 22:18:27 <SpeedEvil> I was looking on papers for correlating emotional state with heart rate and calorie output.
Oct 30 22:18:57 <maybeWTF> anybody tried playing sims3 using preenv?
Oct 30 22:22:11 <SpeedEvil> Anything requiring multitouch won't work.
Oct 30 22:22:18 <SpeedEvil> Can you use it with one finger?
Oct 30 22:24:02 <maybeWTF> works fine except for the minigames requiring moving the device itself
Oct 30 22:24:34 <CutMeOwnThroat> how can it if there is none?
Oct 30 22:25:43 <GAN900> Anybody else completely tired of Android?
Oct 30 22:25:53 <GAN900> We need some MeeGo devices.
Oct 30 22:31:05 <MohammadAG> GAN900, I can only agree
Oct 30 22:33:19 <SpeedEvil> I can either agree, or disagree, but on balance I agree.
Oct 30 22:59:52 <rlinfati> ~pr1.3
Oct 30 22:59:53 <infobot> pr1.3 is probably the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update
Oct 30 23:02:48 <SpeedEvil> pr1.3 was The last best hope for maemo. It failed. In the year of the android wars, it became something greater - our last best hope for victory.
Oct 30 23:03:53 <nox-> and it keeps the cpu clocked high as soon as on charger...
Oct 30 23:05:14 <ShadowJK> Someone should file a bug report about the cpu peg on charger thing...
Oct 30 23:05:22 <ShadowJK> it's a serious bug imo
Oct 30 23:05:27 <DocAvalanche> yo
Oct 30 23:06:23 <nox-> ShadowJK, DocScrutinizer51 found that out yesterday(?) using powertop
Oct 30 23:07:17 <DocAvalanche> yeah, it's MY bug
Oct 30 23:08:33 <nox-> oh i didnt know you were the same guy :)
Oct 30 23:08:56 <DocAvalanche> I'm known by *many* names >:-)
Oct 30 23:09:01 <nox-> heh
Oct 30 23:10:19 <DocAvalanche> reminiscence to Sisters Of Mercy
Oct 30 23:11:17 <MohammadAG51> ShadowJK, it won't get fixed, so why bother?
Oct 30 23:11:39 <nox-> so its a kernel bug?
Oct 30 23:11:44 <DocAvalanche> heard there's a weird thing called community SSU
Oct 30 23:11:57 <DocAvalanche> nox-: positively
Oct 30 23:12:14 <MohammadAG51> DocAvalanche, yeah, I heard of it too, but Nokia bug fixes aren't made OSS till the next PR
Oct 30 23:13:02 <nox-> so its a part of this diff?  https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9
Oct 30 23:13:17 <DocAvalanche> who cares about Nokia OSS? We all know about inertia and mindset inside Nokia
Oct 30 23:13:46 <ShadowJK> MohammadAG, I think if there are enough critical bugs they would get fixed
Oct 30 23:14:26 <SpeedEvil> http://www.nokia.co.uk/find-products/accessories/all-accessories/power/chargers/nokia-extra-power-dc-11
Oct 30 23:14:37 <SpeedEvil> this is supposed to charge microUSB phones.
Oct 30 23:14:43 <DocAvalanche> we all bet on +  * Fixes: NB#161191 - Rover does not differentiate charging downstream port +    from dedicated charger
Oct 30 23:14:45 <SpeedEvil> And would be very severely affected by the bug
Oct 30 23:16:34 <ShadowJK> dc-11 looks just like wallcharger electrically
Oct 30 23:16:36 <nox-> are the kernel sources all public so a suspected commit could be reverted and rebuilt?
Oct 30 23:16:41 <ShadowJK> well, different max currents..
Oct 30 23:16:58 <ShadowJK> nox-, sure
Oct 30 23:17:08 <SpeedEvil> Bisect that git!
Oct 30 23:17:16 <dreamer> where are the logs for fapman?
Oct 30 23:17:25 * MohammadAG51 bets on musb_core.c
Oct 30 23:17:42 <DocAvalanche> hoooray!!! the above link opened friggin 4..8 windows, then nuked those plus 15 windows previously open of my Konqueror to nirvana
Oct 30 23:17:45 <DocAvalanche> :-/
Oct 30 23:18:03 <nox-> wtf
Oct 30 23:18:14 <SpeedEvil> OOMkill?
Oct 30 23:18:20 <MohammadAG51> or lis302dl.c
Oct 30 23:18:21 <nox-> .oO(good i use noscript...)
Oct 30 23:18:21 <DocAvalanche> nah
Oct 30 23:18:46 <DocAvalanche> swap usage: 37% (of iirc 6GB)
Oct 30 23:19:49 <DocAvalanche> fsckng KDE4 plus JS plague
Oct 30 23:20:10 <dreamer> crap, seems my apt is completely screwed over by what autoremover did
Oct 30 23:20:42 <pupnik> what do you think of the soft E7 newstyle keys vs the clicky N900 keys?
Oct 30 23:20:59 <DocAvalanche> MohammadAG51: lis302.c won't do anything bad like that. It simply can't
Oct 30 23:21:15 <pupnik> i really prefer a tactile press-through point on a keybd
Oct 30 23:21:29 <MohammadAG51> i'm just looking at stuff that has to do with voltage
Oct 30 23:21:34 <MohammadAG51> musb_core.c it is
Oct 30 23:21:55 <ShadowJK> Well, E7 is unobtainable at the moment. Ask again in 6 months when it's actually on display in stores so I can go try it out.
Oct 30 23:22:32 <MohammadAG51> 6 months o_O
Oct 30 23:22:38 <MohammadAG51> at the shitty res?
Oct 30 23:23:57 <ShadowJK> However, among E70, E75, N810 and N900... I like N900 tactile feel. N810 layout is superior. E70 has best typing speed. E75 is kinda OK if my nails are trimmed to the exact length, but the OS is so shitty it drops keypresses anyway.
Oct 30 23:24:44 <ShadowJK> So I guess perfection would be N810 layout with N900 keys in E70 formfactor.
Oct 30 23:25:07 <ShadowJK> well, E70-ish formfactor :-)
Oct 30 23:25:12 <ShadowJK> double-slider
Oct 30 23:25:33 <ShadowJK> or quad-folder
Oct 30 23:26:20 <pupnik> ShadowJK: i'm with you on those n900 clickies
Oct 30 23:26:49 <pupnik> i was thinking of N97 mini style soft-keys - dunno why i said E7 - they just look the same
Oct 30 23:27:11 <ShadowJK> I typed on N97 or N97 mini for 3 seconds
Oct 30 23:27:13 <ShadowJK> didn't like it
Oct 30 23:27:46 <SpeedEvil> I wish there was a nice cheap, low-power way to do tactile LCD keyboards.
Oct 30 23:29:05 <ShadowJK> It's not just about getting a response when you press the key
Oct 30 23:29:14 <ShadowJK> it's also feeling where the key is before pressing it
Oct 30 23:29:15 <SpeedEvil> I know.
Oct 30 23:29:26 <SpeedEvil> That's part of what I meant by tactile
Oct 30 23:29:28 <ShadowJK> the second part I haven't even heard of existing in any touchscreens
Oct 30 23:29:32 <SpeedEvil> though it's not what is usually thought of
Oct 30 23:30:50 <DocAvalanche> some film with wire matrix, that has e.g water to build up gas on matrix points when DC applied, and gas recombinating to water when AC applied?
Oct 30 23:31:18 <DocAvalanche> (C)+(Pat.pend.) J.Reisenweber
Oct 30 23:31:45 <SpeedEvil> trhere is a similar one to that.
Oct 30 23:31:59 <DocAvalanche> MEH
Oct 30 23:31:59 <SpeedEvil> Though using vapour bubbles from heating
Oct 30 23:32:41 <DocAvalanche> :'(
Oct 30 23:32:48 <DocAvalanche> why I'm always too late?
Oct 30 23:36:48 <pupnik> wow i missed out on the DOS game 'liero' looks like a more exciting 'scorched earth'
Oct 30 23:38:24 <ShadowJK> liero and scorched earth were my favourites when I grew up :-)
Oct 30 23:38:28 <ShadowJK> liero is more personal :)
Oct 30 23:42:00 <dreamer> hmm, how can I resolve this issue? http://pastebin.com/F2v6beVd seems apt and the app-managers are completely stuck now :/
Oct 30 23:43:40 <ohwhyme> anyone here get neopwn to work?
Oct 30 23:45:39 <korhojoa> pupnik, there's also wings, death rally and a prettier liero clone called molez
Oct 30 23:46:02 <korhojoa> finnish indie games <3
Oct 30 23:48:17 <pupnik> ty korhojoa - this looks very well done
Oct 30 23:52:23 <DocAvalanche> ShadowJK: (Someone should file a bug) are you?
Oct 31 00:39:38 <Termana> morning
Oct 31 00:41:05 <psycho_oreos> moarning
Oct 31 00:41:16 <hrw> aloha
Oct 31 01:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> howdy
Oct 31 01:19:29 <eris0xff> is there some sort of maintenance happening on repository.maemo.org?
Oct 31 01:19:49 <eris0xff> hi
Oct 31 01:20:06 <eris0xff> hello?
Oct 31 01:20:21 <DocScrutinizer> why?
Oct 31 01:21:07 <eris0xff> hi
Oct 31 01:21:28 <eris0xff> ~pr1.3
Oct 31 01:21:28 <infobot> i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update
Oct 31 01:21:57 <eris0xff> Is repository.maemo.org intentionally down?
Oct 31 01:22:05 <DocScrutinizer> no
Oct 31 01:22:10 <eris0xff> hmm
Oct 31 01:22:20 <DocScrutinizer> but it's not unusual at weekends
Oct 31 01:22:22 <eris0xff> havent got a response from it all day
Oct 31 01:22:35 <eris0xff> is it still serving pr1.2 content?
Oct 31 01:22:46 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Oct 31 01:22:51 <eris0xff> guess that sholdnt matter
Oct 31 01:22:59 <DocScrutinizer> depends
Oct 31 01:23:17 <DocScrutinizer> for most stuff it actually doesn't
Oct 31 01:23:40 <eris0xff> cant browse it from here
Oct 31 01:23:46 <eris0xff> or update from it
Oct 31 01:24:00 <eris0xff> is repository a round robin dns name?
Oct 31 01:24:16 <DocScrutinizer> everything a bit laggy and stuck today
Oct 31 01:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Oct 31 01:24:28 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Oct 31 01:24:49 <eris0xff> yeah it looks like two different IPs
Oct 31 01:24:58 <eris0xff> i can ping it
Oct 31 01:24:59 <eris0xff> but...
Oct 31 01:25:45 <DocScrutinizer> err
Oct 31 01:25:50 <eris0xff> running off of akamai
Oct 31 01:25:57 <DocScrutinizer> host -a repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net
Oct 31 01:26:27 <eris0xff> toob% ping repository.maemo.org
Oct 31 01:26:27 <eris0xff> PING a515.g.akamai.net
Oct 31 01:26:46 <DocScrutinizer> host -a a515.g.akamai.net
Oct 31 01:26:52 <eris0xff> (216.246.75.98)
Oct 31 01:27:05 <DocScrutinizer> n0g.akamai.net.         1068    IN      A       92.122.212.23 n1g.akamai.net.         167     IN      A       80.239.230.135 n2g.akamai.net.         2952    IN      A       80.239.230.157 n3g.akamai.net.         1068    IN      A       92.122.212.45 n4g.akamai.net.         167     IN      A       92.123.68.38 n5g.akamai.net.         2952    IN      A       92.122.212.31 n6g.akamai.net.         1068    IN      A       92.122.212.28 n7g.
Oct 31 01:27:07 <DocScrutinizer> akamai.net.         167     IN      A       92.123.68.47
Oct 31 01:27:11 <eris0xff> i can get to it via http
Oct 31 01:27:42 <eris0xff> but when I try to browse or sync to it I get a whole lot of nothing :-)
Oct 31 01:28:30 <eris0xff> specifically extras-testing
Oct 31 01:32:14 <eris0xff> wierd
Oct 31 01:32:47 <eris0xff> so i can telnet to repository, but there must be a backend requrest for the apt sync and browse
Oct 31 01:33:13 <nox-> akamai have messed up before...
Oct 31 01:33:22 <eris0xff> say it aint so
Oct 31 01:33:24 <eris0xff> heh
Oct 31 01:33:42 <eris0xff> mmm gut beer
Oct 31 01:33:46 <nox-> sometimes i could even browse maemo stuff on the pc but not on the n900...
Oct 31 01:34:04 <eris0xff> yeah doesn't work on either tonight
Oct 31 01:34:27 <eris0xff> akamai support must be out whoring for halloween
Oct 31 01:34:33 <nox-> hehe
Oct 31 01:34:55 <DocScrutinizer> http://repository.maemo.org wfm, http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle doesn't: An error occurred while processing your request.  Reference #97.6c487b5c.1288488586.52f85a93
Oct 31 01:35:03 <eris0xff> well hells bells
Oct 31 01:35:20 <eris0xff> i'll have to go do smething else.  my ISP was down until 4:30pm today (all day basically)
Oct 31 01:36:04 <eris0xff> was going to DL gnumeric
Oct 31 01:37:06 <eris0xff> man.  jobs isn't looking too good
Oct 31 01:37:10 <DocScrutinizer> well, I heard IP packets have a RTT of >60min right now ;-P
Oct 31 01:37:35 <DocScrutinizer> to avoid they arrive earlier than they've been sent
Oct 31 01:37:59 <DocScrutinizer> 02B:33 in Europe
Oct 31 01:38:06 <nox-> haha
Oct 31 02:26:38 <chupy35> hi, i have a problem, i deleted /usr/lib/local, i restore them but that didnt work, my phone actually looks like this http://a.yfrog.com/img526/2812/x5o.png http://a.yfrog.com/img100/9906/bqi.png
Oct 31 02:29:44 <chupy35> any idea?
Oct 31 02:34:31 <wmarone> reflash
Oct 31 02:34:53 <chupy35> just like that ...
Oct 31 02:35:05 <wmarone> well, you wrecked all the language files, IIRC
Oct 31 02:35:30 <wmarone> yup
Oct 31 02:35:37 <wmarone> actually
Oct 31 02:35:46 <wmarone> have you rebooted since restoring them?
Oct 31 02:35:52 <chupy35> yes
Oct 31 02:36:08 <chupy35> i also run some free rootfs scripts
Oct 31 02:36:33 <chupy35> and i also notice i dont have nothing on /usr/share/local
Oct 31 02:36:38 <wmarone> how old were the scripts?
Oct 31 02:36:44 <chupy35> the wiki ones
Oct 31 02:37:40 <wmarone> well, a huge amount of stuff was moved off the rootfs back with the release of PR1.2
Oct 31 02:37:54 <wmarone> so I don't know how safe those scripts are
Oct 31 02:38:21 <chupy35> oh... but i think the main thing is that i remove a lot of stuff from /usr/lib/locale
Oct 31 02:41:47 <chupy35> all look now like programming widgets
Oct 31 02:41:54 <chupy35> in default apps
Oct 31 02:41:58 <chupy35> and in titles
Oct 31 02:42:10 <wmarone> right, those are converted into the proper text for the selected locale
Oct 31 02:42:24 <wmarone> try swapping locales if you haven't already
Oct 31 02:42:35 <chupy35> i also try to change drom spanish to english but that didnt work
Oct 31 02:43:21 <Mek> hmm, anything on repository.maemo.org except for the top-level index seems to give an error or timeout...
Oct 31 02:43:41 <Mek> (and similar for tablets-dev.nokia.com)
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