**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Oct 31 02:59:58 2010 Oct 31 03:22:46 yep, repos are down Oct 31 03:25:04 ~botsnack Oct 31 03:25:05 DocScrutinizer: thanks Oct 31 03:25:14 ~uptime Oct 31 03:27:13 is it it? Oct 31 03:27:20 meego released Oct 31 03:27:23 maemo is dead? Oct 31 03:27:29 repositories closed Oct 31 03:27:40 irc channel will be closed soon Oct 31 03:28:48 Long live maemo Oct 31 03:28:49 :D Oct 31 03:36:40 why can't you copy the hicolor icon folder in terminal? Oct 31 03:42:21 andrewfblack, better to show us what iit does when you try, i doubt copying icon folders is in the daily round of things for people :P Oct 31 03:43:34 says it was ommited when I tried Oct 31 03:44:08 maybe a couple of lines of console ? Oct 31 03:44:24 specific command and error message for instance :P Oct 31 03:46:10 cp /hicolor /home/user/MyDocs/hicolor Oct 31 03:46:26 returns cp: omitting directory 'hicolor' Oct 31 03:48:17 what does it means a snot green colored led while i turn on the phone, and then turns off Oct 31 03:50:21 It means you should stop blowing your nose on your N900 Oct 31 03:59:30 andrewfblack, cp -r Oct 31 04:27:05 anyone here installed meego on their n900 Oct 31 04:33:23 is there something you can set or apt preferences so you can disable upgrade (check) to pr1.3? Oct 31 04:57:34 pigeon: I have been ignoring the warnings for days :) Oct 31 05:02:30 hmm, it's just that my apt has gone into the state where it tries to upgrade whenever i try to install something else... Oct 31 05:03:20 or i've probably upgraded one or two packages from pr1.3 but the 1.2 version is not available anymore, so i can force a downgrade. Oct 31 05:04:56 pigeon: sounds like you are half-way -- not a good state to be in... Oct 31 05:05:50 ah, i might have fixed it... Oct 31 07:31:43 ~pr1.3 Oct 31 07:31:44 rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Oct 31 07:37:49 Gees, garage.maemo.org's slow Oct 31 08:43:35 anyone know where my A/V cable is? i know i saw one recently :( Oct 31 08:44:19 # find / -name "*cable*" Oct 31 08:44:23 inside the nokia box ;) Oct 31 08:44:29 box? hrm Oct 31 08:44:34 * timeless_mbp goes to look Oct 31 08:45:17 ok, followup question… where's my box? Oct 31 08:45:17 sales/retail packaging box.. if you haven't used it recently.. I have never used mine.. so mine I'd expect to be still sitting where it was last saw..inside the nokia n900 box Oct 31 08:45:31 lol Oct 31 08:45:57 in the closet I'd imagine Oct 31 08:46:02 i know where mine is Oct 31 08:46:10 so do I Oct 31 08:46:11 in my pocket Oct 31 08:46:17 I never got a box with miner Oct 31 08:46:20 so, have you looked in your pocket? Oct 31 08:46:32 wtf the box in your pocket? you must have a really really large pocket there Oct 31 08:46:44 err no, the a/v cable Oct 31 08:46:51 ah ok lol Oct 31 08:47:01 because you never know when there's an opportunity to force the tv shows you like on other people Oct 31 08:47:17 I got mine with the box, n900.. though I"d _love_ to get that n900 hacker's box Oct 31 08:48:11 n900 hacker's box? Oct 31 08:48:15 heh, there is that potential if you did have loads of tv shows on your n900 Oct 31 08:48:34 psycho_oreos: well there's 32gb that want to be filled, so... Oct 31 08:48:56 i don't have any pockets big enough for the box Oct 31 08:49:02 RobbieThe1st, its like a big black cube and it comes with usb cable that you must plug into the computer.. connect to it via telnet or something and follow a question before the box will reveal its contents Oct 31 08:49:25 maybeWTF, which is fair enough :) everyone has various ways of filling their n900 :) Oct 31 08:49:44 i fill my n900 by lending it out to someone else Oct 31 08:49:45 Oh, yea, I remember something about that Oct 31 08:49:59 who has so far managed to break the screen (sometime this summer) and the usb port (this past week) Oct 31 08:50:00 RobbieThe1st, http://gizmodo.com/5429655/nokias-n900-promotional-hackerbox-is-marketing-gone-mad Oct 31 08:50:42 i think i'm going to have to go to work and grab a cable :( Oct 31 08:50:50 * psycho_oreos has broke neither but fails to install otterbox's screen protector properly.. now the face of his n900 looks like some teenager's face (i.e. full of zits) Oct 31 08:51:04 heh Oct 31 08:51:10 psycho_oreos: it served me well the last time i got stuck in a traffic jam for a few hours with a friend, i used that opportunity to get him hooked on archer Oct 31 08:51:32 maybeWTF, heh never heard of archer.. almost thought of archos Oct 31 08:51:57 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Archer_%28TV_series%29 Oct 31 08:53:18 x_x Oct 31 08:54:00 timeless_mbp: how do you propose to do that on a weekend? Oct 31 08:54:19 TermanaDesire: same way i'd do it any other day? by walking there? Oct 31 08:54:21 this is a helium airship, it won't explode Oct 31 08:55:10 maybeWTF: sounds fun Oct 31 08:55:25 timeless_mbp: they leave it open on weekends? Or there's people working there on weekends? Oct 31 08:55:29 Is garage.maemo.org failing or something? Oct 31 08:55:47 roughly badges allow weekend access Oct 31 09:14:19 Hi, any idea why have test and dev repos stopped working? (hash sum mismatch) Oct 31 09:16:43 they do that regularly Oct 31 09:16:52 there's a race in the update procedure Oct 31 09:18:27 So I just have to wait until they fix it? :) Oct 31 09:20:40 it fixes itself if someone pushes another thing to the build queue Oct 31 09:20:52 … or you wait for someone to fix it manually Oct 31 09:20:59 it's 11am on a sunday Oct 31 09:21:06 go out and play? Oct 31 09:22:49 isn't it a funny irony that those who aren't particularly into the gadgets (in particular phones/internet tablets) could easily confuse n900 over iphone? :) Oct 31 09:23:09 url? Oct 31 09:23:51 in other words, don't you guys have people thinking you have an iphone when you're actually holding n900 in your hand? and when asked they either ask or say its an iphone Oct 31 09:24:03 no url, just what people's instant reactions are Oct 31 09:27:32 timeless_mbp: ok, thanks for clarifying that. Oct 31 09:32:17 psycho_oreos: Well.. I guess. Once I popped it out while waiting for a class to start and two bithces came to me saying that I have an awesome phone and that they always wanted it. Oct 31 09:32:34 Because it's soo cool, coz it has like 5pixel aand.. uunm.. 32G!! Oct 31 09:32:48 D-man, they didn't mistaken it for iphone? :) Oct 31 09:33:50 Nope.. they knew it was n900, but they didn't have a clue what linux is. They just wanted it.. Oct 31 09:34:54 I had keyboar out... maybe it was because of that.. Oct 31 09:37:20 lol Oct 31 09:37:39 which is good, so long as they don't go drooling over iphone for that :D Oct 31 09:37:50 psycho_oreos: never had anybody ask Oct 31 09:37:54 but i work with geeks Oct 31 09:38:06 * chupy35 goes to sleep Oct 31 09:38:12 psycho_oreos: most of them are actually embedded ARM developers Oct 31 09:38:23 they wish there was better GSM capability Oct 31 09:38:46 orlok, had an engineer (also software developer) who got himself x6, when I flirted my n900 he thought it was iphone Oct 31 09:38:54 lol Oct 31 09:39:14 ours do embedded linux development on arm for wireless modems Oct 31 09:39:48 ahh so they'd knew it wouldn't be iphone in the very least :) Oct 31 09:39:52 just updated to 1.3 Oct 31 09:40:03 added extras-testing Oct 31 09:40:33 yeah heh, some of them talk in AT commands for a living heh Oct 31 09:40:44 lol Oct 31 09:40:51 ATZ! ATZ! Oct 31 09:41:02 yeah, data over GSM Oct 31 09:41:15 PCM access to the GSM audio Oct 31 09:41:45 not sure if thats possible with the GSM audio Oct 31 09:41:51 treating it as an audio device Oct 31 09:41:52 lol those are a little over my head if one were to discuss those in detail Oct 31 09:42:21 psycho_oreos: basically being able to access the GSM audio input/output via a linux app Oct 31 09:42:25 directly Oct 31 09:43:01 so you could modulate your own tones down the line, record, playback, etc Oct 31 09:43:27 o.O Oct 31 09:43:28 software GSM modem Oct 31 09:43:47 * psycho_oreos is really confused.. Oct 31 09:43:51 you know how modems work?, or the basic idea? Oct 31 09:43:58 phone modems Oct 31 09:44:07 like, PSTN, audio frequency Oct 31 09:44:17 old school copper phone network Oct 31 09:44:21 I have heard about hacking the GSM bands to intercept calls.. that was in defcon and maybe tapping into GSM to hear just radio waves Oct 31 09:44:24 sort of Oct 31 09:44:49 one frequency is 0, another is 1 Oct 31 09:44:54 except more complicated Oct 31 09:45:05 good old dialup days of modem that used to make funny noises before the rest of noise was translated into digital signals Oct 31 09:45:05 so you can send binary data over an audio stream Oct 31 09:45:11 modulation and demodulation Oct 31 09:45:15 yeah Oct 31 09:45:19 yeah but why do that? lol Oct 31 09:45:57 as audio is available where other data standards are not Oct 31 09:46:32 hmm ok Oct 31 09:46:44 anyway, you can do it if you have access to the GSM audio streams via some reasonable interace Oct 31 09:47:00 similar things are also used by HAM radio people Oct 31 09:47:32 heres been linux drivers for ages that allow you to use a sound card as a modem, hooked up to a ham radio Oct 31 09:48:05 anyway, i wish. Oct 31 09:48:30 theres an app, phonet? i think that gives basic AT command access Oct 31 09:48:35 interesting thought but wouldn't it get demodulated? Oct 31 09:48:47 i can be logged into my phone from a desktop and run it and answer the phone remotely Oct 31 09:48:54 what do you mean? Oct 31 09:49:10 via the GSM audio nastyness/radio interference? Oct 31 09:50:13 well no just sending audio signals over GSM band.. one would technically be facing a whole bunch of modulators/demodulators on the frequency I suspect Oct 31 09:50:21 psycho_oreos: anything past that gets into stuff that i didnt leanr cos i didnt go to uni heh Oct 31 09:50:36 audio codec compressors, etc Oct 31 09:50:46 smart people work for us Oct 31 09:51:04 few phd physicists/mathemeticians/EE's etc Oct 31 09:51:17 orlok, ahh Oct 31 09:51:40 well yeah its still all too well above and beyond my knowledge :) Oct 31 09:55:20 orlok: it basically doesn't work. Oct 31 09:55:38 SpeedEvil: the gsm audio access? Oct 31 09:55:39 orlok: The audio codecs are designed to throow away non voice-like signals. Oct 31 09:55:53 SpeedEvil: oh, heh, it works all right Oct 31 09:56:10 SpeedEvil: i manage deployments in about 6 different countries Oct 31 09:56:14 orlok: This acts to screw up this idea. The codecs are basically designed to emulate noises that can be produced by thehuman throat. Oct 31 09:56:17 (at speed) Oct 31 09:56:36 yeah, it sounds silly Oct 31 09:56:41 but it does work Oct 31 09:57:36 SpeedEvil: now, any ideas if i can get audio device access to the N900's gsm module? :) Oct 31 09:57:51 orlok: The transmit path looks like mic -> a/d -> encode -> radio - with errors -> cell tower -> decode -> PSTN -> cell tower -> encode -> radio - with errors -> decode -> d/a Oct 31 09:58:03 orlok: you have no control over what codecs are picked in the middle. Oct 31 09:58:07 yeah Oct 31 09:58:08 dude Oct 31 09:58:09 i know Oct 31 09:58:18 Simple FSK is limited to perhaps 40 bits/second Oct 31 09:58:22 dont tell me it doesnt work when i work somewhere that does it Oct 31 09:58:31 orlok: at what bitrate? Oct 31 09:58:45 fast enough for whats needed :) Oct 31 09:59:12 though Oct 31 09:59:29 orlok: I ask as some people in the past here have confused this for CSD - circuit switched data - which is very different. Oct 31 09:59:36 we did have some issues due to a volcanoe the other day Oct 31 09:59:48 but the main issue was our in-country tech evacuating his family Oct 31 09:59:51 And works in an utterly different way. Oct 31 09:59:59 SpeedEvil: yup, completely different. Oct 31 10:00:13 There is no simple access to voice data. Oct 31 10:00:21 SpeedEvil: did you read what i said about the phd mathemeticians, etc? Oct 31 10:00:26 As far as I'm aware - through any standard API. Oct 31 10:00:41 No, I just woke up, and diddn't read all the backscroll. Oct 31 10:00:47 we ended up buying them some of those nvidia gpu offload cards to speed up the algo generation Oct 31 10:01:01 It is possible to hack faster data-rates using voice-like codecs Oct 31 10:01:05 SpeedEvil: lots of smart EE's, comp sci people, etc Oct 31 10:01:08 but that's messy. Oct 31 10:01:13 hi all Oct 31 10:01:28 SpeedEvil: we have manufactured our own arm based embedded linuxmodem with a GSM chip, etc Oct 31 10:01:32 I used to have a link to a paper on this. Oct 31 10:01:37 deployed acorss several countries Oct 31 10:01:47 etc etc etc Oct 31 10:02:19 Extras is down or is that just me? Oct 31 10:02:19 oh, and we terminate the calls on digital lines Oct 31 10:02:23 orlok: There is no standard API to get voice data directly out of the modem. It is done. Oct 31 10:02:26 inside the telcos datacenter Oct 31 10:02:28 Someone know why I'm stuck at : Oct 31 10:02:30 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/tmp/Building/sabnzbdplus] > apt-get update Oct 31 10:02:31 0% [Waiting for headers] Oct 31 10:02:33 I'm tired of that, and it's like that since hours right now ... Oct 31 10:02:39 Creteil: hehe, same here Oct 31 10:03:04 orlok: err - it is done with pulseaudio internally - which could be patched, or convinced to do this. Oct 31 10:03:26 orlok: but the standard software stack does not do this, and would get very confused if you attempt it. Oct 31 10:03:46 I don't understand how a compagny like Nokia doesn't have the resources to maintain decent servers ... Oct 31 10:03:47 orlok: you're probably going to have to kill large parts of the infrastructure. Oct 31 10:03:59 * orlok thinks his beer seems warm and flat Oct 31 10:05:17 SpeedEvil: Damn, heh Oct 31 10:05:34 orlok: Many people have come in here in the past, and just assumed that you can simply connect a modem to GSM-audio - and this doesn't work - hence the confusion. Oct 31 10:05:37 yeah, its not the sort ofcapability i see nokia making easily available Oct 31 10:05:51 orlok: I'm not sure it's really trhat. Oct 31 10:06:04 SpeedEvil: nah, heh, i understand what i am saying sounds insane Oct 31 10:06:11 orlok: It's just that whole heaps of the interface are binary, without much good reason or rationale. Oct 31 10:06:30 there was an app to record calls Oct 31 10:06:49 zap, it look like problem come from here : Oct 31 10:06:50 bigbob@bigbob-laptop:~$ host repository.maemo.org Oct 31 10:06:52 repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. Oct 31 10:06:54 repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. Oct 31 10:06:55 a515.g.akamai.net has address 88.221.93.89 Oct 31 10:06:56 a515.g.akamai.net has address 88.221.93.120 Oct 31 10:07:28 orlok: It doesn't sound insane, and can be done in two ways - either you live with under around 50bps, or you use a virtual throat that is excited by data, and 'voice recognition' on the other end. I saw reports of 1400bps this way over two GSM codecs. Oct 31 10:08:05 zap, round robin on akamai, maybe servers are ooo at akamai side ... Oct 31 10:08:33 i'd say more, but.. no :) Oct 31 10:08:38 zap, but damn, ooo since many hours it's just amazing ... Oct 31 10:08:48 dang Oct 31 10:08:56 so i chose the wrong time to update to 1.3? Oct 31 10:09:10 hold on Oct 31 10:09:14 different country Oct 31 10:09:26 my ISP has its own akamai cache Oct 31 10:09:36 Fetched 2924kB in 5min55s (8233B/s) Oct 31 10:09:38 :-\ Oct 31 10:10:26 wow! Oct 31 10:10:36 That's faster than a v56 modem! Oct 31 10:10:44 Awesome. Oct 31 10:12:02 orlok: yeah - read the source and APIs used by 'Call Recorder' - maybe I'm rwrong - I'm just going by hearsay - I haven't personally read up on all of the APIs, I've been concentrating on the hardware docs. Oct 31 10:12:29 If it canbe done, there are obvious other useful things that could be done. Oct 31 10:13:47 can someone here give me the resolv of repository.maemo.org please ? Oct 31 10:13:52 And not-so-useful-things, like a robo-call application Oct 31 10:14:21 67.148.71.9 Oct 31 10:14:31 67.148.71.9 Oct 31 10:14:38 er Oct 31 10:14:39 67.148.71.65 Oct 31 10:14:45 Creteil: both IPs don't work for me Oct 31 10:15:05 It's an Akami.net thingo Oct 31 10:15:08 so, erm... Oct 31 10:15:22 go set 8.8.8.8 / 8.8.4.4 as your dns servers Oct 31 10:17:04 repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. 2849 IN CNAME a515.g.akamai.net. Oct 31 10:17:04 a515.g.akamai.net. 20 IN A 93.158.110.176 Oct 31 10:17:07 Creteil: dig @8.8.8.8 repository.maemo.org Oct 31 10:17:22 this gives me 92.123.68.72 and 92.123.68.9 Oct 31 10:17:58 bigbob@bigbob-laptop:~$ host repository.maemo.org 8.8.8.8 Oct 31 10:18:00 Using domain server: Oct 31 10:18:02 Name: 8.8.8.8 Oct 31 10:18:03 Address: 8.8.8.8#53 Oct 31 10:18:05 Aliases: Oct 31 10:18:06 repository.maemo.org is an alias for repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net. Oct 31 10:18:07 repository.maemo.org.edgesuite.net is an alias for a515.g.akamai.net. Oct 31 10:18:09 a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.122.207.146 Oct 31 10:18:11 a515.g.akamai.net has address 92.122.207.136 Oct 31 10:18:16 O_o Oct 31 10:18:20 lol Oct 31 10:18:23 :-) Oct 31 10:18:33 It's a dynamic akamai setup Oct 31 10:18:34 RobbieThe1st: there are many things that can be done - for example - call screening - 'press seven to continue' Oct 31 10:18:47 RobbieThe1st: To find real humans. Oct 31 10:18:54 SpeedEvil: Yea, I know Oct 31 10:19:06 RobbieThe1st: Playing back synthesized background noise, for alibis. Oct 31 10:19:44 heh, yea Oct 31 10:20:02 hmm Oct 31 10:20:24 is mii-tool generally considered deprecated in favor of ethtool? Oct 31 10:20:38 mii-tool seems b0rked Oct 31 10:24:10 RobbieThe1st, yes look like round-robin dns ... Oct 31 10:25:58 What I really want is live voice->text decoding and indexing of all calls, and searchability. Oct 31 10:26:12 Well - assuming I had gotten >3 calls on the n900 that is. Oct 31 10:26:19 SpeedEvil: online services do that Oct 31 10:26:30 yeah - I know. Oct 31 10:30:57 What a night Oct 31 10:35:11 alterego: how was the dress up party? Oct 31 10:35:15 ;p Oct 31 10:36:09 Good thanks, I won the competition :D Oct 31 10:37:47 alterego: so you had a howling good time then? :p Oct 31 10:38:29 :) Oct 31 10:44:24 Yes fangs Oct 31 10:44:37 brb Oct 31 10:49:13 new pr 1.3 I cant change my gconf.xml for the osso/dsm/locks it reverts back when I reboot...how do I set a longer auto lock time Oct 31 10:49:15 has the file changed? Oct 31 10:50:45 ebzzry_: hey, feel free to look at the commit log at h-e-n:paul-experimental, i've got something new there. Oct 31 10:52:59 look at how to set the auto lock time bigger then 1 hour Oct 31 11:00:00 * Noobmonk3y grumbles Oct 31 11:00:33 * ham5 Offers Noobmonk3y some gum, you want .<~Juicy-Fruit~>. or .<~SpearMint~>. ? Oct 31 11:00:45 ooo juicy fruit not had that since i was a id! Oct 31 11:00:56 s/id/kid/ Oct 31 11:00:56 Noobmonk3y meant: ooo juicy fruit not had that since i was a kid! Oct 31 11:02:14 * Noobmonk3y is gonna burn the world of QT if qprocess doesnt start working.......... Oct 31 11:08:07 hi folks Oct 31 11:08:14 got a n900 quiestion Oct 31 11:08:26 ssh client Oct 31 11:10:10 when using ssh client getting about 20 lines with this message: Oct 31 11:10:20 */etc/ssh/ssh_config: line 11: Bad configuration option: Oct 31 11:10:26 random Oct 31 11:10:49 where *option: Oct 31 11:11:03 hostkey Oct 31 11:11:05 subsystem Oct 31 11:11:20 and many more... Oct 31 11:11:34 at the end: etc/ssh/ssh_config: terminating, 17 bad configuration options Oct 31 11:11:59 havent changed anything in sshd_config file Oct 31 11:12:21 nor in ssh_config Oct 31 11:14:26 noone, anyone? Oct 31 11:14:41 ughhh... Oct 31 11:14:48 ID CHECK CONFIGURATION options Oct 31 11:15:25 what? how? Oct 31 11:15:42 new to n900 and maemo Oct 31 11:16:48 too early in here :p Oct 31 11:17:41 is it really the end of maemo? Oct 31 11:17:47 repositories down Oct 31 11:17:53 meego released Oct 31 11:18:06 lol Oct 31 11:18:10 do they shut down the repos? Oct 31 11:18:18 * Noobmonk3y looks outta the window for amageddon Oct 31 11:18:33 it doesn't look well Oct 31 11:18:34 it must by early in here Oct 31 11:18:46 be* Oct 31 11:19:21 wohooooooooooooooooo Oct 31 11:19:34 i've got qprocess reading uptime, but the arguments are not working lol Oct 31 11:19:51 Nah, the server's just plain locked up Oct 31 11:20:04 auto-builder's not working, repo's down Oct 31 11:20:12 This is just a plain old server issue. Oct 31 11:21:50 RobbieThe1st: because nokia switched it off Oct 31 11:21:55 lol jacekowski Oct 31 11:22:07 where MohammadAG51 when you need his SSU ;) Oct 31 11:22:10 irc channel will be closed soon Oct 31 11:23:43 * grub3r Startet the chat Oct 31 11:24:08 no help to get, but the chat is operational... Oct 31 11:25:54 Noobmonk3y, here :P Oct 31 11:25:58 moaning! Oct 31 11:26:27 moanin o/ Oct 31 11:26:35 hehe Oct 31 11:26:49 MohammadAG51: as you are here, explain this to me :( (Although qprocess is now working!) Oct 31 11:26:50 http://pastebin.com/CnACAsnQ Oct 31 11:27:30 pleeease dont tell me i have to split each of those effing arguments out lol Oct 31 11:28:46 before i click the link Oct 31 11:28:49 lol Oct 31 11:28:56 you need bacon? Oct 31 11:28:57 you have to split each of those effing arguments out Oct 31 11:29:02 jk Oct 31 11:29:02 oh ffs ffs ff Oct 31 11:29:04 s Oct 31 11:29:23 s/s/ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs / Oct 31 11:29:24 Noobmonk3y meant: ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs ffs Oct 31 11:29:44 jacekowski: Late reply, but the build server's still -very slowly- responding. Thus, not switched off Oct 31 11:30:01 Noobmonk3y, not sure, that should work, what do you get? Oct 31 11:30:09 out put is in that link Oct 31 11:30:13 (underneath code) Oct 31 11:30:18 i get the full uptime link Oct 31 11:30:25 s/link/output/ Oct 31 11:30:26 got it working mates Oct 31 11:30:26 Noobmonk3y meant: i get the full uptime output Oct 31 11:31:02 * MohammadAG51 scratches head Oct 31 11:31:10 hmmmmmmmmmmm Oct 31 11:31:23 never used QProcess :/ Oct 31 11:31:49 but that should work Oct 31 11:31:51 :P Oct 31 11:31:55 if there are no syntax errors Oct 31 11:32:19 lol! Oct 31 11:32:21 just crashed the n900 Oct 31 11:33:04 meh tried to cheat and used - QString program = "uptime | sed -e 's/.*p *//' -e 's/, l.*//' -e 's/ / /'"; - same output Oct 31 11:33:32 alterego: how's your qprocess knowledge? - http://pastebin.com/CnACAsnQ :) Oct 31 11:35:11 MohammadAG51: look at /proc/uptime Oct 31 11:35:18 MohammadAG51: the first field is uptime in seconds Oct 31 11:35:55 SpeedEvil: you mean me? :) Oct 31 11:36:15 err Oct 31 11:36:15 yes Oct 31 11:36:29 SpeedEvil: you may just have been my saviour, converting that to days will be alot easier lol! Oct 31 11:36:46 although i'ma gonna have a load more qprocess commands to get working after :) Oct 31 11:39:03 N8, initial impressions Oct 31 11:39:16 first startup -> shutdown, wtf? Oct 31 11:39:35 that's symbian for you :) Oct 31 11:40:08 lol!!!! Oct 31 11:40:33 UI is fast Oct 31 11:41:52 WOW Oct 31 11:41:57 camera's epic!!! Oct 31 11:43:54 MohammadAG51, i tried one yesterday Oct 31 11:43:56 laggy as hell :< Oct 31 11:44:43 hi!! Oct 31 11:49:52 how do I set the auto lock time bigger then 1 hour Oct 31 11:50:21 changes seem to revert back in pr 1.3 Oct 31 11:56:12 korhojoa, Oct 31 11:56:17 i have to disagree Oct 31 11:58:49 my notification light doesn't seem to work at all in 1.3 Oct 31 11:59:16 (i have the LED Pattern Editor installed) Oct 31 11:59:24 anyone else have this problem? Oct 31 12:00:27 it just doesn't seem to light up for messages and so on, and when i test a pattern from the editor, it says "Exit status: 65280 failed to set red led current" Oct 31 12:00:30 works fine here Oct 31 12:00:39 you have them turned on in the settings Oct 31 12:00:42 ham5: do you have the pattern editor installed? Oct 31 12:00:59 ham5: yeah, they're on in settings Oct 31 12:01:03 notification settings Oct 31 12:01:07 have them checked? Oct 31 12:01:10 i've even enabled "device on", to make sure Oct 31 12:01:27 ham5: are you using the led pattern editor? Oct 31 12:01:33 yup Oct 31 12:01:39 huh, that' odd Oct 31 12:01:55 ham5: what version of led pattern editor do you have? Oct 31 12:01:58 changed em all up Oct 31 12:02:01 I donno Oct 31 12:02:07 its your problem tho Oct 31 12:02:09 gl hf Oct 31 12:02:24 (just checking in case i'm missing a version with a 1.3 fix or something) Oct 31 12:02:24 shit works here all im sayin Oct 31 12:02:33 right Oct 31 12:02:34 thanks Oct 31 12:02:49 i suppose it's possible that something hardware broke at they same time as me updating Oct 31 12:03:55 reflash Oct 31 12:04:33 LOL Oct 31 12:04:43 software version on N8: "PR1.0" Oct 31 12:05:03 ham5: i just did that... that's when it broke Oct 31 12:05:04 ? Oct 31 12:05:17 ham5: it broke when i flashed 1.3 Oct 31 12:05:19 broke when you reflashed? so reflash again Oct 31 12:05:33 reflash the 1.3 is what im saying Oct 31 12:05:54 check sum the image file u downloaded Oct 31 12:06:03 confirm you have a good copy Oct 31 12:06:07 oh, hadn't thought of that Oct 31 12:06:12 flasher doesn't do that then? Oct 31 12:06:26 oh I dont know Oct 31 12:06:33 how would it know them all Oct 31 12:06:51 ham5: well, maybe an image has checksums embedded Oct 31 12:07:31 ugh, is there a way to get a checksum without typing in my IMEI again? Oct 31 12:07:51 what img file I have 3 on hand Oct 31 12:08:11 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 31 12:08:35 MR0 ? Oct 31 12:08:52 b9f8690318a3be61767826d15b8c1784 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 31 12:09:02 psycho_oreos: same, thanks Oct 31 12:09:17 np Oct 31 12:09:43 well, i can't reflash right now, because i don't have time for all the application reinstalls, and i need this phone to function as a satnav later today Oct 31 12:09:55 but i'm going to try uninstalling the pattern editor Oct 31 12:10:17 just revert your mce.ini file from the back up Oct 31 12:10:27 actually, how can i make sure i have a "vanilla" mce config file? Oct 31 12:10:37 should of backed it up Oct 31 12:10:51 MohammadAG51 , lcuk .... Mmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm Bacon! -> http://pixelpipe.com/item/c009352c-d9cb-4c8a-acfd-07b2740febc7 Oct 31 12:10:58 ham5: well, i'm wondering if that's why stuff is broken - maybe the editor has restored a backup from before 1.3? Oct 31 12:11:24 is there a surefire way to get a vanilla mce.ini? a package i could reinstall? somewhere to download one? Oct 31 12:13:50 Noobmonk3y: looks sorta like scottish breakfast Oct 31 12:14:04 Noobmonk3y, mmm i see your bacon and its good, shall raise the stakes a little: :p http://liqbase.net/20101015_002.jpg Oct 31 12:15:27 ooo luck..... wow! Oct 31 12:15:46 i was too lazy to get more food, so replaced mushrooms, tomatoes and sausages with extra bacon! Oct 31 12:16:02 dRbiG: its a 'Whatever was in the fridge' breakky! Oct 31 12:16:34 Noobmonk3y, http://liqbase.net/20101024_004.jpg Oct 31 12:16:45 * SpeedEvil is waiting delivery of his new stupidly large freezer. Oct 31 12:16:51 omg Porn, porrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrrn! Oct 31 12:16:57 Which I shall stock with DIY ready-meals. Oct 31 12:17:09 and Noobmonk3y, you think bacon is only for breakfast? :P Oct 31 12:17:31 http://liqbase.net/20101023_035.jpg Oct 31 12:17:35 lcuk: just the missus cook that for you every breakfast lunch n dinner? Oct 31 12:17:53 lol lcuk i had that for dinner last night ;) Oct 31 12:17:57 bugger, forgot to get beans Oct 31 12:17:57 Noobmonk3y, hunters chicken :P Oct 31 12:18:00 bacon n cheese - roast chicken n chips :) Oct 31 12:18:18 mmmm bacon :D Oct 31 12:18:19 lol Myrtti :p Oct 31 12:18:31 * Noobmonk3y is now full Oct 31 12:18:35 Myrtti, do you have the important stuff tho? Oct 31 12:18:38 like bacon :P Oct 31 12:19:03 lcuk: nice finnish frankfurters, tomatoes, eggs... Oct 31 12:19:08 * lcuk is actually hungry now after posting pics Oct 31 12:19:18 bacon in Finland is a bit rubbish Oct 31 12:19:25 :( Oct 31 12:19:28 Myrtti, it wasnt so bad when i got it Oct 31 12:19:36 so I don't usually bother for anything else than cheesefilled mushrooms Oct 31 12:19:38 you just have to have more of it to make up Oct 31 12:19:48 frals: there's an opening in the finnish market! and you lot are so close to denmark, meh Oct 31 12:20:17 frals would sell trout infused bacon and it would be a speciality dish :P Oct 31 12:20:19 Finns just don't associate that bacon can mean good rashers Oct 31 12:20:33 it's just stripey bacon, which is a bit meh for me Oct 31 12:20:48 Myrtti, that first pic i showed was in Helsinki Oct 31 12:20:53 thin, pathetic greasy things with little meat and a lot of hassle Oct 31 12:21:15 * lcuk recalls it was uyum Oct 31 12:21:17 -u Oct 31 12:21:19 lcuk: go to a grocery store and find me some of that. I can't. Oct 31 12:21:22 i've just remembered that my keyboard backlight isn't working either, which is worse Oct 31 12:21:34 anyone else had the keyboard backlight and the notification light stop working in 1.3? Oct 31 12:21:36 :( Myrtti Oct 31 12:21:39 nope :| Oct 31 12:21:39 lcuk: it's way too obvious that's from a hotel Oct 31 12:21:52 Myrtti, its way too obvious its in my tum Oct 31 12:22:05 can someone pastebin a default mce.ini from 1.3? Oct 31 12:22:05 yum! Oct 31 12:23:02 BCMM, if you can make my 900 visible on the network i can post file Oct 31 12:23:03 aghhh ffs Oct 31 12:23:09 but its not responding and its not in its cradle Oct 31 12:23:12 there is one person from work who has found me on twitter Oct 31 12:23:18 its the bloody chief executive! Oct 31 12:23:20 lcuk: huh, what's up with it? Oct 31 12:23:20 so Oct 31 12:23:26 BCMM, MIA Oct 31 12:23:27 for a normal user, the N8 is epic Oct 31 12:23:34 for me, multitasking is meh :P Oct 31 12:23:40 oh, it is physically missing as well? Oct 31 12:23:41 Noobmonk3y, best behaviour for you Oct 31 12:23:49 :| :| :| Oct 31 12:24:05 * MohammadAG51 wonders if he can rm -rf or similar Oct 31 12:24:55 * lcuk wonders where his device actually is Oct 31 12:25:03 lcuk: on ebay? ;) Oct 31 12:25:08 and why have i got a traffic cone here Oct 31 12:25:13 lcuk: it's ok, i remembered that there is actually another n900 in this room Oct 31 12:26:00 lcuk, to remind you of vlc? ;) Oct 31 12:28:34 healthcheck won't light the LED either Oct 31 12:28:48 Noobmonk3y, time to get your cape Oct 31 12:28:57 * Noobmonk3y giggles Oct 31 12:30:48 There are people that have reported failed RGB LED Oct 31 12:30:57 BCMM: http://codepaste.net/hdod9k - baclights.sh Oct 31 12:31:12 s/baclights.sh/backlights.sh Oct 31 12:31:16 s/baclights.sh/backlights.sh/ Oct 31 12:31:16 Noobmonk3y meant: s/backlights.sh/backlights.sh Oct 31 12:31:25 oh meh Oct 31 12:31:26 meh meh Oct 31 12:31:28 meh meh meh Oct 31 12:32:51 my speaker is definitley buggered since pr1.3 but just about makes a noise, so will do Oct 31 12:40:57 Noobmonk3y: thanks, was wondering if there was a low-level way to do things to leds Oct 31 12:41:19 unfortunatley thats as far as my knoledge goes - ie, testing from terminal :| Oct 31 12:41:22 Noobmonk3y: so what are 1-6? three colours, left kb, right kb, cam? Oct 31 12:41:33 they are the different light bubls so to speak Oct 31 12:41:43 bulbs* led's etc Oct 31 12:41:49 there are 6 under your keyboard Oct 31 12:41:54 oh Oct 31 12:42:13 or did you want the led test? Oct 31 12:42:18 sorry - thought u said keyboard Oct 31 12:42:27 there is a led light hardware test function Oct 31 12:42:28 Noobmonk3y: both are out Oct 31 12:42:38 Noobmonk3y: hardware test function? Oct 31 12:42:51 Noobmonk3y: ok, i don't have those sys entries... Oct 31 12:43:02 in terminal try - cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest Oct 31 12:44:01 under /sys/class/led i have only one directory Oct 31 12:44:04 twl4030:vibrator Oct 31 12:44:13 ooo yahhh Oct 31 12:44:18 rthe structure jhas all changed in 1.3 Oct 31 12:44:21 ah Oct 31 12:45:12 how weird Oct 31 12:45:18 it wont let me cd to i2c-1 :| Oct 31 12:45:52 ok, well Oct 31 12:45:56 selftest is working on mine Oct 31 12:46:00 took me a second to get there Oct 31 12:46:20 cd /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ Oct 31 12:46:26 then type cat selftest Oct 31 12:46:34 i have /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/ but not /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0032/selftest Oct 31 12:46:49 selftest is a file in there Oct 31 12:46:55 within 2-0032 Oct 31 12:47:02 not for me it isn't Oct 31 12:47:07 ooo ls in there Oct 31 12:47:09 what do you have? Oct 31 12:47:18 i just have but modalias name power subystem uevent Oct 31 12:47:23 s/but/bus Oct 31 12:47:25 ahh well there's ya problem! Oct 31 12:47:30 yeah... Oct 31 12:47:35 you haven't got any of the files lol! Oct 31 12:47:51 lcuk: i'm assuming this is not gonna be as simple as copying them over to him? Oct 31 12:48:01 i don't think that's how sysfs works... Oct 31 12:48:04 :p Oct 31 12:48:10 maybe there's a module i don't have loaded? Oct 31 12:48:15 hmm possibly Oct 31 12:48:36 if you cat modalias, what do you get? Oct 31 12:49:31 i2c:lp5523 Oct 31 12:49:36 ok, same as me Oct 31 12:49:39 so i think you are right Oct 31 12:49:43 something just isn't loading Oct 31 12:49:47 is it possible that i'm running an odd kernel? i have fcamera installed, and used to use kernel-power Oct 31 12:49:52 the problem is i have no idea on the internals of linux loading Oct 31 12:50:05 i have titans kernel .. hmmmmmmmmmm Oct 31 12:50:14 could something odd have happened when i restored the application list, ending up with my having the wrong kernel? Oct 31 12:50:20 and i did used to use kernel power Oct 31 12:50:27 yeah possibly Oct 31 12:50:27 (i did a flash then restore backups) Oct 31 12:50:45 what should a "vanilla" 1.3 install have for uname -a? Oct 31 12:50:46 worth installing or re-installing something like titans or kernel power? Oct 31 12:51:03 lol no idea, Oct 31 12:51:09 mine is power40 variant Oct 31 12:51:54 is there anyone here who has 1.3 but hasn't messed it up, and would be prepered to pastebin lsmod and uname -a? Oct 31 12:52:58 :P Oct 31 12:57:49 no luck? Oct 31 12:57:58 btw can one use n900 as a ltsp client? Oct 31 12:59:31 hahlo: doesn't that require netboot? Oct 31 13:01:09 USB hostmode finally arriving RSN: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=858357#post858357 Oct 31 13:01:35 RSN == "really soon now"? Oct 31 13:01:40 yep Oct 31 13:02:02 awesome Oct 31 13:02:43 :D Oct 31 13:02:55 heh, so i guess everyone who's actually here has custom kernels and so on? Oct 31 13:03:42 << has Oct 31 13:03:54 BCMM: yes pxe Oct 31 13:04:34 hahlo: i doubt we have PXE Oct 31 13:04:54 BCMM: I just thought if somebody has made pxebootloader for n900. ok I see Oct 31 13:04:58 hahlo: i think ltsp can work with a normal kernel boot though Oct 31 13:05:18 hahlo: well, how would it work? wlan's are a bit more complex than wired ethernet Oct 31 13:05:26 i have the stock kernel Oct 31 13:06:01 if you have 1.3, would you be so kind as to help me by pastebinning lsmod and uname -a? Oct 31 13:06:29 i think i might be missing a module or something Oct 31 13:07:10 hmm, 1.3 - i did the big maemo update - is that what moves me to 1.3? (or, in other words, how do i check which 1.x i have?) Oct 31 13:07:17 yup lol Oct 31 13:07:41 settings > about device Oct 31 13:08:07 20.2010.36-2 == 1.3? :) Oct 31 13:08:08 dRbiG: if you did a big update in the last few days, and the package was called maemo 5 or something, that was pr1.3 Oct 31 13:08:10 yup Oct 31 13:08:17 dRbiG: yeah Oct 31 13:08:18 as i thought Oct 31 13:08:20 very good Oct 31 13:09:14 I don't think pr1.3 would have shipped a new version of kernel would they? or maybe they might Oct 31 13:09:48 <_llll_> ~pr1.3 Oct 31 13:09:48 rumour has it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Oct 31 13:09:58 <_llll_> is it not avaialble in the uk? Oct 31 13:10:15 _llll_: it's not available if your devices thinks it's a UK device Oct 31 13:10:26 BCMM: http://pastebin.com/dfLNqwwJ Oct 31 13:10:33 Some important kernel-related bugs were fixed, for details (changelog and the actuall diff to the previous version) refer to [1]. Oct 31 13:10:43 (from the wiki page) Oct 31 13:10:48 BCMM: true just here are so advanced hackers thou :) Oct 31 13:10:58 led_class 2948 2 leds_lp5523,leds_twl4030_vibra ;) Oct 31 13:11:24 <_llll_> i would hope my device considers itself a uk device Oct 31 13:11:32 BCMM: of course cifs is not really there by default Oct 31 13:12:06 dRbiG: thanks for the pastebin Oct 31 13:12:57 yeah kernel version seems to remain unchanged Oct 31 13:14:36 is this normal in dmesg? isp_mod: disagrees about version of symbol struct_module Oct 31 13:15:01 preceded by many lines of isp_mod: Unknown symbol something Oct 31 13:16:48 BCMM: no, it's not Oct 31 13:17:05 huh, anyone know what it means? Oct 31 13:17:49 i have a line identical to line 67, except that vibra comes first Oct 31 13:17:58 could be a module version errors.. hmm.. Oct 31 13:18:04 * alterego yawnz Oct 31 13:18:52 I usually say depmod -a for cases of unknown symbols.. but with symbol disagreeing it seems like there's still older modules still out and about Oct 31 13:21:30 what does isp_mod do? Oct 31 13:22:58 ISP Control Module Library | ISP CSI2 Receiver Module Oct 31 13:23:48 i don't know what that means Oct 31 13:24:06 MohammadAG51: btw, did you already test your fmtx module? Oct 31 13:24:18 i don't even know if that means "make leds not broken" or not Oct 31 13:24:48 MohammadAG51: i'm going to try it now... Oct 31 13:24:52 Turski: fmtx module? Oct 31 13:25:49 psycho_oreos: that's camera-related, right? presumably, that just means that fcam needs updating for 1.3? Oct 31 13:25:53 jacekowski: PR1.2 kernel module compiled with PR1.3 headers Oct 31 13:26:03 why? Oct 31 13:26:06 jacekowski: that would allow use of fm-boost Oct 31 13:26:19 hmm, Oct 31 13:27:12 back Oct 31 13:27:18 i having error compiling js in scratchbox Oct 31 13:27:36 Turski: do you have sources of new kernel Oct 31 13:27:44 Turski: repository is down at the moment Oct 31 13:27:46 editline/Linux_All_DBG.OBJ/libedit.a: could not read symbols: File in wrong format Oct 31 13:27:48 collect2: ld returned 1 exit status Oct 31 13:27:51 make[1]: *** [Linux_All_DBG.OBJ/js] Error 1 Oct 31 13:28:21 jacekowski: no, but got that compiled module from MohammadAG51 Oct 31 13:28:37 MohammadAG51: Oct 31 13:29:44 what's wrong Oct 31 13:30:19 yes? Oct 31 13:30:28 MohammadAG51: do you have kernel sources? Oct 31 13:31:05 for? Oct 31 13:31:11 latest kernel Oct 31 13:31:20 yes Oct 31 13:31:28 :) Oct 31 13:31:31 it's only a patchset anyways Oct 31 13:31:34 isn't it on the repos? Oct 31 13:31:42 repos are down Oct 31 13:32:00 oh ffs my n900 wont turn on Oct 31 13:32:40 ahaaaa back in action Oct 31 13:33:04 Pics of me and my gf last night: http://www.facebook.com/album.php?aid=243148&id=666721077&l=4948f3f3f1 Oct 31 13:33:08 ~hostmode Oct 31 13:33:09 it has been said that hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496 Oct 31 13:33:58 "the effectiveness of pat-downs does not matter very much, because the obvious goal of the TSA is to make the pat-down embarrassing enough for the average passenger that the vast majority of people will choose high-tech humiliation over the low-tech ball check." Oct 31 13:35:18 alterego: Malware? Oct 31 13:35:53 Sorry? Oct 31 13:36:07 alterego: the facebook url Oct 31 13:36:19 Weird, Oct 31 13:36:25 lol Oct 31 13:36:29 Should be a public link to that album Oct 31 13:36:35 it is Oct 31 13:36:38 worked fine for me Oct 31 13:36:39 IS that firefox complaining? Oct 31 13:36:46 Because I don't get that ^.^ Oct 31 13:36:57 No, me complaining =) Oct 31 13:37:03 Oh, hah :P Oct 31 13:37:16 It just sounded so much like an average spam email :) Oct 31 13:37:26 You can see a cheeky N900 in the first pic on the right ;) Oct 31 13:37:33 So it's not completely off topic :P Oct 31 13:37:48 hehehe Oct 31 13:38:17 One day too early though, right? Oct 31 13:38:36 Yeah Oct 31 13:38:44 * RST38h was almost led to believe today that Haloween is supposed to happen on the night of Oct30/Oct31 Oct 31 13:38:56 Heh Oct 31 13:42:14 1) A lemming writes a "deep" blog post about his concerns of Nokia's future Oct 31 13:43:02 2) He starts a separate t.m.o thread *about* his blog post, with the 3 lines of text containing his blog URL Oct 31 13:43:07 3) Profit? :) Oct 31 13:43:11 Heh Oct 31 13:43:28 4) gets rightfully bashed for being an idiot Oct 31 13:43:37 What about this: "still on pr 1.2 shud i bother wid pr 1.3 or stay on pr 1.2" Oct 31 13:43:43 5) hopelessly attempts to defend his idiotic point of view Oct 31 13:43:44 I find that thread topic offensive. Oct 31 13:43:49 So I wont be reading it .. Oct 31 13:44:03 And also mind numbingly dumb .. Oct 31 13:45:22 nid0: Nah, with the current concentration of "just good people" there, he will be preaching to the chorus of exactly the same comments as his Oct 31 13:46:22 well luckily everyone who has replied to the thread *has* bashed him, so far at least Oct 31 13:46:57 was about to write //kickban tmo ;-P Oct 31 13:47:49 spidermonkey ported! Oct 31 13:51:32 well, nokia future isn't bright Oct 31 13:51:40 closing repositories without warning Oct 31 13:51:46 not supporting older phones Oct 31 13:53:17 which older phones are not supported anymore? Oct 31 13:53:44 The list is endless Oct 31 13:54:10 closed repos? Oct 31 13:54:16 * frals thinks he has missed smth Oct 31 13:54:23 which recent phones are not supported anymore then? :) Oct 31 13:55:14 rals: Extras* are shut down, all software gone, good night. Oct 31 13:55:25 * RST38h explodes in satanic laughter Oct 31 13:57:19 alterego: re the "shud i bother", some people just struggle to find ways to differentiate themselves, i guess Oct 31 13:57:45 Hrm, yeah .. Oct 31 13:57:51 huhu RST38h Oct 31 13:57:57 frals: did you trout the repo's? Oct 31 13:58:12 ehlo pupnik Oct 31 13:58:16 someone needs to teach him to change the colour of his notification light or something Oct 31 13:58:23 wow reading that "b log post on nokias recent problems" Oct 31 13:58:25 WTF? It's Friday aft or what? Oct 31 13:58:27 hey Oct 31 13:58:29 then he can upgrade like the rest of us, and not feel like a sheep... Oct 31 13:58:33 i should start pulling shit out of my arse and post about it as well Oct 31 13:58:37 frals, how is it? Oct 31 13:58:51 BCMM: That is the most ironic part: they all end up trying to "differentiate" themselves by doing exactlyt the same things :) Oct 31 13:58:51 hmm Oct 31 13:58:54 can we get maemo or meego on motorola droid 2? Oct 31 13:58:59 i have just upgraded to 1.3 Oct 31 13:59:02 (also see "Think Different" campaign ;)) Oct 31 13:59:05 frals don't you work there? Oct 31 13:59:16 apt repository suggestions? Oct 31 13:59:24 pupnik_ is droid 2 released? Oct 31 13:59:25 yes i work at nokia Oct 31 13:59:26 http://www.phonearena.com/reviews/Motorola-DROID-2-Review_id2502 Oct 31 13:59:42 frals: If they find out, you will be severely punished =) Oct 31 13:59:59 frals: Misrepresentation of the employer, etc =) Oct 31 14:00:07 Noobmonk3y: do you know if that selftest is in regular kernels, or just a titan feature? Oct 31 14:00:08 err wat? Oct 31 14:00:09 frals: how do i get /dev/dsp type access to the N900's GSM audio stream? Oct 31 14:00:18 im really not following now Oct 31 14:00:19 BCMM: works on the standard onew Oct 31 14:00:21 ones* Oct 31 14:00:22 frals so you can't =) Oct 31 14:00:25 it looks like an excellent competitor to N900 spec-wise Oct 31 14:00:27 Noobmonk3y: on 1.3? Oct 31 14:00:33 on 1.0 -> 1.3 Oct 31 14:00:39 Noobmonk3y: i mean, if it's missing, something has gone wrong, right? Oct 31 14:00:39 and including 1.3 Oct 31 14:00:43 yup Oct 31 14:00:47 ah, right, no, i probably cant, i was just telling what i thought of his post :p Oct 31 14:00:49 pupnik_ you can go with android why bother? Oct 31 14:00:53 orlok: err, why do you ask me? Oct 31 14:00:53 frals: is it at all possible? Oct 31 14:01:02 frals: yes i work at nokia Oct 31 14:01:09 so? Oct 31 14:01:15 frals: is a fish farmer, the above is all lies.......... Oct 31 14:01:16 frals you can't say anything bad on your compamy Oct 31 14:01:18 frals: you just announced you work at nokia, ergo you know everything about maemo, the n900, and everything. Oct 31 14:01:19 qed. Oct 31 14:01:28 or they force you to work exctra at weekends Oct 31 14:01:45 Let us thermorectally cryptoanalyze him! Oct 31 14:01:53 frals: " i have no idea" "not possible" "we cant tell you" would all have also been good answers Oct 31 14:02:07 let's analyse everything he says as a coded message about pr1.4's release date Oct 31 14:02:30 yes, let us try composings words out of every third letter he types Oct 31 14:02:45 get your omap4 phone now! (TI Blaze) http://cdn.slashgear.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/02/TI_OMAP4_1123.jpg lolol Oct 31 14:02:59 That is TI's developer device Oct 31 14:03:09 And yes, it does look like a huge soapbox Oct 31 14:03:22 today wrote to 3-4 companies to port there programs to maemo =) Oct 31 14:03:28 hee hee Oct 31 14:03:28 Heh, That guy just has really small hands, it's about the same size as an N900 :P Oct 31 14:03:41 layer browser Oct 31 14:03:56 orlok: seriously, because someone works for company X does not mean he knows anything about product Y, really ;) Oct 31 14:04:04 alterego: or it's just bad photoshop Oct 31 14:04:10 i'd buy a phone with a 5" screen and slider keyboard Oct 31 14:04:14 frals where do you work exactly? Oct 31 14:04:18 orlok: you 'just' have to write your own ALSA OSS compatibility layer Oct 31 14:04:24 ZogG, at his desk. Oct 31 14:04:32 ZogG: what lcuk said Oct 31 14:04:40 i mean what exactly Oct 31 14:04:52 A phone with 2x BP4L batteries for hotswapping Oct 31 14:04:53 6'3" from his workmate on the left Oct 31 14:04:53 does is connected to meego/symbian/desktop/qt development Oct 31 14:05:00 orlok: honestly /dev/dsp is so deprecated even on 'sane' systems... Oct 31 14:05:07 BCMM: heh, it looks like a 3650 Oct 31 14:05:13 pupnik_: RJ45 in a phone :) Oct 31 14:05:30 The second "smart" phone from Nokia Oct 31 14:05:42 http://i.imgur.com/50MDa.jpg 2x 3000mAh batteries in a N810 sized form factor Oct 31 14:05:45 ZogG, if you see a ninja on the street, do you ask him what he does? Oct 31 14:05:48 sorry 2x 1500 mAh Oct 31 14:06:03 "init 1" displays "+ [ x1 = x-t ]" Oct 31 14:06:10 is this a joke I don't understand? Oct 31 14:06:23 lcuk i fight him Oct 31 14:06:44 frals lcuk don't have to answer if it's so secret Oct 31 14:06:49 pupnik_, structural integrity requires some amount of body shell around those batteries to support them Oct 31 14:06:57 lcuk: I call the ambulance Oct 31 14:07:05 heh RST38h Oct 31 14:07:19 unless of course you are using those batteries themselves as the shell Oct 31 14:08:05 RST38h, i wonder why they do not normally use batteries for hardware integrity in other things Oct 31 14:08:09 :P Oct 31 14:08:14 plenty of space for that lcuk Oct 31 14:08:30 DocScrutinizer: you understand what i mean though. Oct 31 14:08:33 lcuK: because I own a patent on this ! =) Oct 31 14:08:37 top and bottom both have 2-3 mm Oct 31 14:08:45 Anyone else seeing wifi lockups ("Firmware booted" message shortly after association until wl12xx is unloaded and reloaded) after some hours of activity? Oct 31 14:08:51 After flashing pr1.3 Oct 31 14:08:57 seriously though, it is impractical to have two batteries in a phone Oct 31 14:09:06 pupnik_, not knocking the idea of course, more battery life ftw Oct 31 14:09:15 easy fix Oct 31 14:09:17 but a single larger battery would eb the normal mechanism Oct 31 14:09:19 if you really want more capacity, go for a single double cap battery instead Oct 31 14:09:28 would be a rechargable backpack Oct 31 14:09:39 well design specifics of a device would include "big ass" battery Oct 31 14:09:41 lcuk: sure - just saying ... 3000 mAh! it's not unthinkable Oct 31 14:09:46 and hotswap can be done (if really needed) with the deep sleep mode and a capacitor Oct 31 14:09:57 yeah Oct 31 14:09:59 RST38h, we suggest this Oct 31 14:10:09 and its kinda sorta possible Oct 31 14:10:13 I see hostmode is coming along nicely Oct 31 14:10:14 if i ever start running out of juice Oct 31 14:10:17 orlok: though I actually do NOT understand exactly what you mean, I still suggest you have a look to recaller pkg sources Oct 31 14:10:17 but which existing devices out there do it now Oct 31 14:10:18 it is possible Oct 31 14:10:19 i plug into my eeepc Oct 31 14:10:24 do other phones do hotswap Oct 31 14:10:31 lcuk: my wristwatch does Oct 31 14:10:44 DocScrutinizer: looked, will look again Oct 31 14:10:46 i rarely have to swap the battery on my watch Oct 31 14:10:53 hotswap is an opportunity to add a feature that Nokia can not afford to miss Oct 31 14:10:54 quarter past the freckle Oct 31 14:10:56 lcuk: well when I do, it does Oct 31 14:11:03 DocScrutinizer: i want to send and receive GSM audio data directly Oct 31 14:11:13 * RST38h does not need hotswap Oct 31 14:11:18 pupnik_, well Oct 31 14:11:32 it would be time based with a capacitor Oct 31 14:11:33 via a standard device preferably Oct 31 14:11:41 hmm Oct 31 14:11:44 there is a plenty of other features nokia cannot afford to miss. Like regular bugfixes to their firmware. Oct 31 14:12:04 can you be powering an N900 via charger/USB and remove the battery? Oct 31 14:12:25 yup Oct 31 14:12:31 if you set offline mode Oct 31 14:13:26 and stop any cpu-intensive process Oct 31 14:13:26 and stop the bme Oct 31 14:13:34 ... Oct 31 14:13:41 i'll just turn it off :) Oct 31 14:13:41 it's better with the wallcharger Oct 31 14:13:53 orlok: the wallcharger provides 1.1A Oct 31 14:14:03 ahh Oct 31 14:14:04 both wifi and cellmo are largely idle Oct 31 14:14:10 with bursts of up to 3A Oct 31 14:14:10 so it depend on the chargers current? Oct 31 14:14:22 usb is .5A Oct 31 14:14:23 as to whether it can survive the battery beoing out? Oct 31 14:14:27 yup Oct 31 14:14:30 hmm Oct 31 14:14:36 well, it depends on the usage Oct 31 14:14:36 if you want to be sure, make your own charger Oct 31 14:14:39 orlok: yes Oct 31 14:14:43 got it, makes sense completely Oct 31 14:14:52 on offline mode, it's possible Oct 31 14:15:00 stick a linear regulator to your car battery and wire it up to put out power via the usb->microusb cable Oct 31 14:15:14 yuh, yuh, easy heh Oct 31 14:15:15 that should give you at least 10A if you heatsink it properly Oct 31 14:15:43 i didnt know if there was some sort of discoupling from the battery Oct 31 14:15:56 orlok: Oct 31 14:16:01 ~hotswap Oct 31 14:16:01 from memory, hotswap is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 Oct 31 14:16:28 * orlok does robotics/electronics/imaging/etc shit for a hobby Oct 31 14:16:48 Anybody knows a easy way to unmount /home (being logged in via ssh/wifi) to repartition the internal memory card> Oct 31 14:17:00 korhojoa: you forgot the tags Oct 31 14:17:02 got a pile of AVR's and adjustable power regulator modules lyring around Oct 31 14:17:18 DocScrutinizer what, those are not optional anymore? Oct 31 14:18:34 korhojoa: i already have a 12V SLA battery set up with an assortment of regulaing circuits for assorted robotics crap Oct 31 14:18:47 well then Oct 31 14:18:51 just get 5v out and you're set Oct 31 14:19:01 short the d+ and d- to get it to charge via that Oct 31 14:19:05 not for multilevel jokes that base on a false assumption suggesting a nonsense action that wouldn't even work correctly if the false assumption been correct. Readers tend to miss the meta level Oct 31 14:19:16 korhojoa: 3d imaging using a laser rangefinder to a robot built worth cordless drill motors and chopping boards that can break an ankle Oct 31 14:19:25 korhojoa: stfu! Oct 31 14:19:30 haha :P Oct 31 14:19:32 ok Oct 31 14:19:33 well Oct 31 14:19:41 i have the factory charger Oct 31 14:19:41 orlok, sounds pretty cool Oct 31 14:19:47 it should work just fine Oct 31 14:19:52 but i'm not actually interested in hotswap at all Oct 31 14:20:00 but its awesome to know that its possible Oct 31 14:20:24 if i'm ever holding some ultra-super-important national security data in ram that i cant save Oct 31 14:20:31 alternatively, you could just get a usb power brick thing Oct 31 14:20:34 orlok: I operated my device like 5h, even with WLAN, without any battery inserted Oct 31 14:20:35 and i'm forced underground away from society Oct 31 14:20:54 orlok: I'm not sure if I mentioned this in above quoted thread Oct 31 14:20:56 DocScrutinizer, wait, what, how did you keep it from rebooting? Oct 31 14:20:59 r&d mode or something? Oct 31 14:21:00 korhojoa: yeah, my eee901 also works as a charger, heh Oct 31 14:21:15 ~tell korhojoa about hotswap Oct 31 14:22:36 There's a 3rd condition which will lead to immediate hard switch off of charging, and that's a ~32 minutes timer inside charger chip that will unconditionally stop emergency charging when timer expires. That's where the 30 minutes figure in above instructions comes from. Oct 31 14:22:42 korhojoa: also see jrbme Oct 31 14:23:42 DocScrutinizer ban all of them, they make laugth of me Oct 31 14:23:59 korhojoa: yes, to overcome this 32min figure, you need to do something along the lines of jrbme alternative charging method. BME will shutdown in <1s when battery gets removed Oct 31 14:24:22 ZogG: hey pal, wut? Oct 31 14:24:34 DocScrutinizer =( Oct 31 14:24:35 jrbme? Oct 31 14:24:35 ahh. i see. clever. Oct 31 14:24:36 hmm Oct 31 14:24:40 * ZogG needs huge Oct 31 14:24:47 * korhojoa gives ZogG a 'huge' Oct 31 14:24:50 any suggested apt repositories? i just upgraded to 1.3 Oct 31 14:26:41 MohammadAG51: -> http://pixelpipe.com/ticket/Nhde736FQhQ/B-K49Dqim0A/b38bba67-a59c-43de-9846-c34e36b7b11a Oct 31 14:26:57 lol MohammadAG you yoyo Oct 31 14:27:03 orlok yes, use x86-64 repo of ubuntu Oct 31 14:27:33 jacekowski, sorry, was setting up the N8 for my mom Oct 31 14:27:40 my dad went back to his E66 Oct 31 14:27:41 ZogG: hah hah hah. Oct 31 14:27:47 the N8's port is not the same as the N900's Oct 31 14:28:02 the OTG adapter of the N8 will not fit in the N900's port Oct 31 14:28:37 OTG? Oct 31 14:28:44 on-the-go, ah, okay. got it. Oct 31 14:29:23 MohammadAG: got a kernel for me to try? :) Oct 31 14:29:31 isnt it a standard plug? Oct 31 14:29:59 alterego, no :P Oct 31 14:30:10 orlok, it's rectangle shaped Oct 31 14:30:10 curses Oct 31 14:30:22 the N900's cables work in it, but the N8's cables don't work with the N900 Oct 31 14:30:23 Do I have to compile it myself then? Where are the latest hen patches? Oct 31 14:30:43 I wonder why they'd use a nonstandard cable? Oct 31 14:31:20 alterego, wait for a release, shouldn't be far away Oct 31 14:31:39 pfft Oct 31 14:31:44 Waiting is for girls. Oct 31 14:31:54 I'm really liking the N8 btw Oct 31 14:32:00 Have you got one? Oct 31 14:32:00 it's good as a phone Oct 31 14:32:13 alterego, ive got something to show you Oct 31 14:32:16 I'm still seriously considering getting one .. Oct 31 14:32:18 it's for my mom, but yes, you could say that Oct 31 14:32:23 lcuk: fire away :) Oct 31 14:32:29 wait there a mo Oct 31 14:32:33 alterego, been using it for an hour Oct 31 14:32:49 video quality is awesome on an HDTV Oct 31 14:33:07 is it 1080p out? Oct 31 14:33:07 Sweet Oct 31 14:33:11 720p Oct 31 14:33:14 korhojoa, looks more like 720 Oct 31 14:33:16 okay Oct 31 14:33:17 ^ Oct 31 14:33:36 I think only the latest OMAP4 is capable of 1080p Oct 31 14:33:37 the camera processes images instantly Oct 31 14:33:44 That's good. Oct 31 14:33:53 I don't have to worry about shaking Oct 31 14:34:27 sound's load enough for me, but it's mono(?? WTF?) Oct 31 14:34:40 my dad kind of wants the E7 Oct 31 14:34:47 tbh, a meego hdmi device capable of 1080p coupled with xbmc would be <3 Oct 31 14:35:00 btw, the default charger in the box is a 2mm one, but microUSB charging works Oct 31 14:35:30 i don't understand why they don't switch to the microUSB Oct 31 14:35:31 and I'd like to praise nokia for one thing Oct 31 14:35:34 smooth scrolling Oct 31 14:35:45 i know a few phones that only charge over microUSB after they're booted up Oct 31 14:35:49 the gallery is on par (or maybe faster) than the iPhone's gallery Oct 31 14:36:41 scrolling in between photos is identical to alterego's scrolling in Qt :P Oct 31 14:36:58 N8 has a micro-AB port as is mandatory for OTG devices. The adapter has a micro-A plug, as according to USB specs. N900 changed receptacle from micro-AB to micro-B when Nokia decided N900 can't comply with OTG specs, as according to those specs a device with micro-AB has to fully support OTG ootb and Nokia didn't manage to finalize the drivers needed for cert Oct 31 14:37:15 MohammadAG: I was going to work on something similar for the N900 actually ;) Oct 31 14:37:25 alterego, yay :) Oct 31 14:37:30 err, wait, was? Oct 31 14:37:31 MohammadAG: does it have hdmi port? Oct 31 14:37:43 jacekowski, needs the inbox adapter Oct 31 14:37:47 Well, I've not got around to it. Oct 31 14:37:54 Might start on it now actually .. :D Oct 31 14:37:59 but yes, I used my PS3's cable Oct 31 14:38:43 ah, does the N8 have the same shaped plug as the N810? Oct 31 14:38:58 MohammadAG: WHAT??? N8 has a barrel 2mm charger receptacle?? Oct 31 14:39:13 DocScrutinizer, yes, it charges via both microUSB and 2mm Oct 31 14:39:22 probably for charging while using OTG Oct 31 14:39:23 wow Oct 31 14:39:27 * DocScrutinizer *loves* N8 hardware Oct 31 14:39:32 yeah Oct 31 14:39:37 it's OMAP2 though, right? Oct 31 14:39:48 dumb question, can it charge from both at the same time? Oct 31 14:39:57 usually they just pick one Oct 31 14:40:11 nid0: dumb answer: how should that work? Oct 31 14:40:17 the E75 also has both 2mm and MicroUSB Oct 31 14:40:29 i tried plugging in both microusb and the 2mm to a E75 and it charged from the one first plugged in Oct 31 14:40:34 DocScrutinizer, it should charge up till it explodes Oct 31 14:40:53 when that first source was disconnected it showed a charger disconnected thing, and then immediately a charger connected Oct 31 14:41:00 N8 runs what os? Oct 31 14:41:04 I have an OTG cable with the same shaped plug as the N900 though so the rectangular one is apparently just shaped differently? Oct 31 14:41:05 ^3 Oct 31 14:41:20 Symbian^3, which is amazingly a huge improvement from ^1? Oct 31 14:41:23 Kegetys: A Oct 31 14:41:34 Kegetys: chargers are B Oct 31 14:42:03 Kegetys: see my above lengthy post Oct 31 14:42:17 DocScrutinizer: I mean that the rectangular plug is electrically the same as the one in N900 Oct 31 14:42:26 yes Oct 31 14:42:34 as my N900-shaped OTG cable works fine in the N810, putting it to OTG mode automatiacally Oct 31 14:42:54 -a Oct 31 14:43:03 A, B, AB just differ in mech shape Oct 31 14:43:21 A and B plugs fit AB receptacles Oct 31 14:43:25 also, angry birds is more enjoyable on the N8 Oct 31 14:43:41 N810 has AB, N900 has B Oct 31 14:43:43 better FPS and colours Oct 31 14:43:50 would be cool if this cable would work on the N900 automatically some day as well :) Oct 31 14:44:06 chargers have B plugs, usual standard OTG cables have A plugs Oct 31 14:44:24 ..at one end Oct 31 14:44:32 haptic feedback isn't on touch only Oct 31 14:44:34 A plug have ID pin grounded Oct 31 14:44:42 so device can detect them Oct 31 14:44:48 and switch to hostmode Oct 31 14:44:53 it vibrates three successive times (very quickly) when you select something in the camera Oct 31 14:45:37 doesn't vibrate when scrolling between homescreens Oct 31 14:45:52 overall, it's an enjoyable experience, till you remember it's symbian Oct 31 14:46:22 and they stole _OUR_ naming scheme, SW that came on it is called PR1.0 Oct 31 14:46:24 a really standard conforming OTG cable has a micro-A at one end (GND on ID pin) and a micro-B at the other end Oct 31 14:46:42 the device you plug A into is host, the other is peripheral Oct 31 14:46:51 jacekowski, do you still want kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5.diff.gz? Oct 31 14:46:57 (until OTG does a HNP :-P) Oct 31 14:47:51 yeah I got this from ebay so no wonder its nonstandard. but seems a bit silly to have the separate A and B plugs if they are electrically the same Oct 31 14:48:22 jacekowski, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5.diff.gz apply it on a vanilla 2.6.28 Oct 31 14:48:51 Kegetys: they are electrically the same so AB receptacles can work. A nad B are to distinguish peripherals from hosts Oct 31 14:48:58 like on all USB Oct 31 14:50:02 jacekowski: screwit! git-pull pauls branch on h-e-n Oct 31 14:52:26 jacekowski: and tell MohammadAG how to do the same :-P Oct 31 14:54:33 DocScrutinizer, I refuse to work on maemo.org's git Oct 31 14:54:42 ""...on a vanilla 2.6.28"" WTF? a mainbranch linus vanilla 2.6.28, or a Nokia vanilla 2.6.28 or what? Mohammad is trying to drive us all crazy with his clusterbombing patches against random sources Oct 31 14:55:03 DocScrutinizer, vanilla means kernel.org Oct 31 14:55:06 you should know that Oct 31 14:55:15 and they're not MY patches, they're nokias Oct 31 14:55:35 MEH Oct 31 14:55:49 you're not making sense Oct 31 14:55:58 no, YOU are Oct 31 14:56:12 why would jacekowski apply Nokia patches to a Nokia vanilla to make it a nokia vanilla? Oct 31 14:56:22 we're not making memes, the repo is down, he wants the patches Oct 31 14:56:25 yes, indeed I am Oct 31 14:56:41 [not making sense] Oct 31 14:56:45 is bluetooth handled by the same chip/radio as wifi? Oct 31 14:56:56 MohammadAG: why do you think jacekowski would even WANT to apply any moh patch to create a nokia vanilla??? Oct 31 14:56:59 bluetooth/wifi has completely stopped working, the bluetooth controller doesn't even show up anymore Oct 31 14:57:01 redeeman: I believe so, yes. Oct 31 14:57:11 DocScrutinizer, any moh? patch? Oct 31 14:57:19 it's fucking nokia's from nokia's fucking repo Oct 31 14:57:48 i guess my device is toast then Oct 31 14:58:11 What am I doing .. Oct 31 14:58:18 I can do this in Qt Quick! :D Oct 31 14:58:30 * alterego has just had an awesome interface idea. Oct 31 14:59:39 jacekowski: nokia "patches" on git https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=shortlog;h=refs/heads/maemo-rx51-kernel Oct 31 15:00:16 though when nokia's repo is down odds are this won't work either Oct 31 15:00:21 hmmmmmmmmmmm Oct 31 15:00:25 am i being stupid... Oct 31 15:00:33 is there no way to change version number in qt creator? Oct 31 15:00:56 Noobmonk3y, for debs? those are just for testing, when you want to push to devel you need to use scratchbox :P Oct 31 15:01:07 aghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Oct 31 15:01:08 noooooooooooooooooooooo Oct 31 15:01:14 oh buggerydoo daaaaaaaa Oct 31 15:01:31 so much for making life simple Oct 31 15:03:09 i want a n9 Oct 31 15:03:14 :< Oct 31 15:03:15 i wonder if i wait long enough that will change :P Oct 31 15:03:40 kerio bacon will have to do ->http://pixelpipe.com/item/c009352c-d9cb-4c8a-acfd-07b2740febc7 Oct 31 15:03:43 http://pixelpipe.com/item/c009352c-d9cb-4c8a-acfd-07b2740febc7 even Oct 31 15:03:58 Are there good rescue initrds out there? Something with which I could ssh into n900 and do something? (like there was for N810) Oct 31 15:10:09 zap, yes, meego's Oct 31 15:10:24 ~initrd Oct 31 15:10:25 well, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. Oct 31 15:10:30 initrd-rescue from meego enables networking, but for some reason I can't ping the nokia? I have usb0 on pc set up to 192.168.2.1 Oct 31 15:10:31 hmm Oct 31 15:10:52 shouldn't it be 192.168.2.15? Oct 31 15:11:01 2.15 is N900? Oct 31 15:11:05 my pc is 2.1 Oct 31 15:11:06 configure your PC as 192.168.2.14 Oct 31 15:11:10 N900's 192.168.2.15 Oct 31 15:11:10 hmm ok Oct 31 15:12:47 18:08:06.087236 arp who-has 192.168.2.15 tell 192.168.2.14 Oct 31 15:12:53 that's what I see on usb0 with tcpdump Oct 31 15:13:12 is that kernel for N900? Oct 31 15:13:33 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd <-- yes Oct 31 15:18:27 hi anyone got a mirror of the flasher util forn n900, the download site is unavailable Oct 31 15:21:11 nope, does not ping even Oct 31 15:21:22 strange problem, with n810 it worked nicely Oct 31 15:21:54 Frode_Haugsgjerd: http://cs.ozerki.net/zap/flasher-3.5 Oct 31 15:28:11 usb storage mode works fine, hm Oct 31 15:31:32 thx zap :) Oct 31 15:37:23 Hmm 68 unused megabytes after the swap partition on internal MMC... are they used somehow? Or I can grow the swap in there? :) Oct 31 15:44:06 zap: >>Toggle USB networking on/off (N) >>Start [local] recovery terminal (T) Oct 31 15:44:38 Is there any music visualizer for Maemo? Oct 31 15:44:58 zap: even with N on, it's unclear if the IP stack is configured to answer pings Oct 31 15:45:14 Aranel, one in progress Oct 31 15:45:20 but not yet released Oct 31 15:45:28 dunno about others Oct 31 15:45:42 lcuk: o/ Oct 31 15:45:45 lcuk: what is it and who's developing it? maybe I can convince him to make me a beta tester! ^^ Oct 31 15:46:03 hehehe Oct 31 15:46:21 bet it's liq* Oct 31 15:46:21 why guys porting androids ubuntus instead of improving maemo Oct 31 15:46:22 Aranel, kotczarny and pupnik_ are hacking in #liqbase on it atm - mostly targetting x86 at this time Oct 31 15:47:13 lcuk: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8dsjLyGl6s Oct 31 15:47:22 lcuk: you noticed ~hostmode? Oct 31 15:47:29 lcuk: can't I make the same thing with gstreamer? some "magic" command? Oct 31 15:47:41 DocScrutinizer, :) kot and I have been long time friends and helping each other to optimise and improve performance Oct 31 15:48:08 Aranel, idk, can you? Oct 31 15:48:41 ~hostmode Oct 31 15:48:42 hostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496 Oct 31 15:48:47 lcuk: I hope. I'll try asking them about it. Oct 31 15:50:02 oooh DocScrutinizer :) Oct 31 15:50:27 Aranel, thats an awesome visualisation Oct 31 15:50:29 lcuk, there's always gstreamer Oct 31 15:50:42 Aranel, yes, gstreamer Oct 31 15:50:43 sec Oct 31 15:50:59 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34717 Aranel lcuk Oct 31 15:51:14 lcuk: yup, I loved it too and he did it a year ago so I think It shouldnt be hard to do. Oct 31 15:55:29 MohammadAG: yay it's working it's working! ^^ Oct 31 15:56:01 MohammadAG: It's kinda slow but looks awesome. How can I make it play the music at same time? Oct 31 15:57:55 * Noobmonk3y feels clean :) Oct 31 15:57:58 Grrr, I need N810 fiasco and tablets-dev is throwing up Oct 31 15:58:10 hmm, is the n900 still under warranty? Oct 31 15:58:17 i don't have the receipt anymore Oct 31 15:58:34 Aranel, no idea ;) Oct 31 15:58:53 but it should be possible, since afaik the built in player uses gstreamer Oct 31 16:00:41 MohammadAG: lcuk: thank you :) I am googling about it now, maybe I can find a way to make gstreamer play the music too. Oct 31 16:01:21 so nokia wont dumps us with n900 maemo users? Oct 31 16:02:21 Aranel, rythmbox does it afaik Oct 31 16:03:21 MohammadAG: rhytmbox? does it work good on N900? I used it with a GNOME desktop long time ago but I guess It would be a very heavy app for us. Oct 31 16:03:38 MohammadAG: you might as well install gnome Oct 31 16:04:06 Aranel: sure it's ***ing heavy for n900 Oct 31 16:04:48 it's actually stupid idea to making desktop on cell phone Oct 31 16:04:55 no, it works on ubuntu :P Oct 31 16:05:17 question is, how do I make a window fullscreen Oct 31 16:05:20 juk: lol I mean GNOME desktop on my Ubuntu box, not N900. Oct 31 16:09:00 hmm Oct 31 16:09:03 anyone used wmctrl before? Oct 31 16:09:55 wtf is up with repositories et al? Oct 31 16:10:06 ha! Oct 31 16:10:08 wmctrl -i -r 0x04a00005 -b toggle,fullscreen Oct 31 16:10:21 DocScrutinizer, they're down, hence why jacekowski asked for the patches I uploaded Oct 31 16:11:03 I know they're down. The question is: Anybody in duty and actively caring to bring them back up again Oct 31 16:11:06 hmm can i ask another stupid qt question pleeeeeeeeease! Oct 31 16:11:07 Aranel, wmctrl -i -r 0x04a00005 -b toggle,fullscreen Oct 31 16:11:30 DocScrutinizer, repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause || guess not lol Oct 31 16:11:42 MohammadAG: what is does? Oct 31 16:11:46 it* Oct 31 16:11:56 fullscreen visualization Oct 31 16:11:57 MohammadAG: I placed that notice into topic :-P Oct 31 16:12:02 after you launch it of course Oct 31 16:12:03 MohammadAG: ^^ Oct 31 16:12:11 MohammadAG: did I said that I'm a huge fan of you? :D Oct 31 16:12:15 qDebug() << myProcess->readAllStandardOutput(); displays df-h fine in debug, but how do i get that into a QtextBrowser? tried converting it to a stringlist and a textstream, but it only wants strings :( Oct 31 16:12:19 X-Fade: ping Oct 31 16:12:58 MohammadAG: oh, wmctrl doesn't work on mine, wmctrl not found. Oct 31 16:13:33 wmctrl -l | grep gst-launch*| awk '{print $1}' actually Oct 31 16:13:36 hmm, no Oct 31 16:13:56 wmctrl -i -r `wmctrl -l | grep gst-launch*| awk '{print $1}'` -b toggle,fullscreen Oct 31 16:14:02 looks like Oct 31 16:14:12 goom + gstreamer running on tv-out (omap3, n900) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R8dsjLyGl6s nice nice Oct 31 16:14:17 MohammadAG: yup it's working now. Oct 31 16:16:27 pupnik: looks like you can see the proximity sensor blinking infrared at this image =) Oct 31 16:16:31 or is it just noise? Oct 31 16:16:52 pupnik: 0:12 Oct 31 16:19:17 wow Oct 31 16:19:46 RST38h, proximity never turns off Oct 31 16:20:01 Mohammad: just a flicker from the tv screen then Oct 31 16:20:10 no, i think you're right perhaps Oct 31 16:20:12 I said, never turns off Oct 31 16:20:15 because the flicker position doesn't move Oct 31 16:20:16 it's always on Oct 31 16:20:28 if it were a reflection, it would change position as the camera moves Oct 31 16:20:44 get an infrared cam, and film the N900 Oct 31 16:20:53 MohammadAG, just because the low level driver doesnt turn off does not mean its not Oct 31 16:20:55 the front and back sensors are always on, even when not in use Oct 31 16:21:01 it looks to me like its blinking also Oct 31 16:21:07 lcuk, it always blinks Oct 31 16:21:11 I think most phone proximity sensors are ir-based, they measure reflection Oct 31 16:21:14 same with the N97/5800 etc Oct 31 16:22:54 or I guess you have dozen different ways to do it but IR emitter/detector one probably would be cheapest Oct 31 16:23:42 >>> MUST SEE <<< pilot lands plane after losing wing >>> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BIT2wIdK2v4 Oct 31 16:23:42 MohammadAG: lol, It sounds stupid I know but now I figured out why gstreamer doesn't give me music output. Oct 31 16:24:27 MohammadAG: It's because I muted N900 and completely forgot about it :| Now It works, fullscreen + music also plays too ^^ Oct 31 16:25:28 oh, you didn't have music at all? Oct 31 16:25:37 lol I thought you wanted it to play with the default player Oct 31 16:26:50 MohammadAG: lol no, It didnt play music at all and I thought It's because gstreamer is set to only visualization not playing it actually. Oct 31 16:27:03 that's a mind blowing youtube ^^ Oct 31 16:27:39 MohammadAG: playing it on the default player would be nice too but I think It would be pretty hard for me, music player is closed source :( Oct 31 16:27:44 right, off to the cinema! Oct 31 16:27:47 ciao alls Oct 31 16:28:11 pupnik_: MohammadAG said you're also working on a visualizer, how it's going? Oct 31 16:28:24 pupnik_: oops, not MohammadAG, lcuk :) Oct 31 16:28:25 lcuk did, not me Oct 31 16:28:25 Aranel: lots of fun Oct 31 16:28:52 pupnik_: can I try it? can I? can I? Oct 31 16:30:08 Aranel: wget http://ariel.w.tkb.pl/osc/osc27 and then http://ariel.w.tkb.pl/osc/pix/ to find compilable rules Oct 31 16:31:01 pupnik_: yay, thanks Oct 31 16:31:10 * javispedro 's developing a "simplistic" fmradio clone atm http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/cfmradio/cap1.png Oct 31 16:31:37 written in C, < 100 KiB, warm-starts up in less than a second :) Oct 31 16:32:05 nice javispedro Oct 31 16:32:23 javispedro: BRING IT ON! (C)George WWW Bush Oct 31 16:32:41 actually,make it WW Oct 31 16:33:05 "yes we can" the another president Oct 31 16:33:22 javispedro: Can I have a tiny feature request? Oct 31 16:33:32 it has no features, so ask =) Oct 31 16:33:48 nokia bluetooth keyboard is funny with the n900 Oct 31 16:34:07 javispedro: Add background in the shape of an old tube radio dial :) Oct 31 16:34:28 javispedro: ask wazd for graphics if needed, I am sure he will be happy to make some up Oct 31 16:34:32 it does not recognise the FN on the keyboard, but if i press the fn on the phone it works on the keyboard Oct 31 16:34:57 and longpress of keys works just like on phone Oct 31 16:35:20 RST38h: wazd already prototyped a fmradio app: http://tabletui.wordpress.com/2009/10/29/preview-fm-radio-for-n900/ Oct 31 16:35:30 but I personally want to keep this one simplistic Oct 31 16:35:52 javispedro: I believe adding a fixed background will not complicate it too much :) Oct 31 16:36:14 hehe, N8's battery low ding is an enhanced N900 one Oct 31 16:36:46 N900 makes really creepy noises when it runs out of battery Oct 31 16:37:13 (proximity) ack, those sensor chips are always on Oct 31 16:37:25 Speaking personally, I hate the stupid scrolly concept of a scrollbar for FM tuning. Oct 31 16:37:32 I know the frequency. Oct 31 16:37:39 kenneth? Oct 31 16:37:43 I want to bea able to type in 102.8 Oct 31 16:37:46 If you know the frequency, enter it with keyboard! Oct 31 16:37:49 SpeedEvil: that works Oct 31 16:37:58 That diddn't work ith fmradio last I tried it Oct 31 16:38:00 portrait mode keyboard Oct 31 16:38:06 SpeedEvil: in my app ,of course. Oct 31 16:38:23 ah, sorry. Oct 31 16:38:25 Speaking personally, I hate the stupid scrolly concept of a scrollbar for FM tuning. << +1 on that Oct 31 16:38:36 that's what I dislike about the current radio app, it's very nice and newbie-friendly. Oct 31 16:38:38 I hate how it doesn't stop where you left it Oct 31 16:38:38 but... Oct 31 16:39:01 Also - I hate teh concept in that it wastes half of the power. Oct 31 16:39:03 oh for fuck's sake nokia, no symbian sdk for linux? Oct 31 16:39:12 It will mostly chew through the battery in 8 hours Oct 31 16:39:30 whereas properly implemented, it should only use about 30% Oct 31 16:39:30 SpeedEvil: not fixable; i'm using pulseapi drectly instead of gstreamer, so I guess it will improve a bit, but not much Oct 31 16:39:40 yes. Oct 31 16:39:56 Unfortunately doing it 'right' is not possible without pulseaudio hacking. Oct 31 16:40:20 if someone wants to port module-loopback to pulse 0.9.15, that should help reduce two context changes per each 10*4096 block Oct 31 16:40:22 You basically need to teach pulseaudio about using the audio hardware as more than just a/d and d/a Oct 31 16:40:29 javispedro: err - no Oct 31 16:40:51 javispedro: you can configure it so that it the audio path never leaves the audio chip at all. Oct 31 16:41:02 javispedro: The CPU is completely asleep when doing FM radio. Oct 31 16:41:04 SpeedEvil: first pyfmradio did that Oct 31 16:41:12 SpeedEvil: breaks speakers, you know Oct 31 16:41:27 SpeedEvil: specially with fmradio as bypass volume is quite loud Oct 31 16:41:34 SpeedEvil: and hardly regulable with the hardware mixer Oct 31 16:41:43 The chip also has onboard speaker protection filters. Oct 31 16:42:22 not the kind we need, or else you would just have fixed around 50%'s of what pulseaudio employs its cpu time on =) Oct 31 16:42:30 but you need to fix PA, or you break audio for the rest of the fevice. Oct 31 16:42:41 yes, the kind that's needed - they do high-pass filtering just fine. Oct 31 16:43:23 are you _completely_ sure? pulseaudio needs no fixes at all. Oct 31 16:43:53 so it would seem stupid if the feature is there but completely unused and htey bothered to code a software version of it Oct 31 16:44:06 I mean pulseaudio as I understand it treats the soundcard as d/as and a/ds - it uses none of the internal routing capability or digital filters. Oct 31 16:44:09 This is common. Oct 31 16:44:24 People write specs based on not reading all of the datasheets. Oct 31 16:44:40 And do stuff like polling, when the device supports change interrupts. Oct 31 16:44:43 this is like.. the #1 complain on the audio subsystem on the N900. Oct 31 16:44:49 (see the orientation detection.) Oct 31 16:46:33 They use pulse to do some filtering to save the speakers Oct 31 16:46:43 Otherwise, you may damage speakers Oct 31 16:46:57 javispedro: it IS completely stupid Oct 31 16:47:22 DocScrutinizer: I know it IS stupid. but a few minutes ago, I thought it was unfixable save for DSP xprot. Oct 31 16:47:32 I forget who did a test implementation. See page 38 of http://focus.ti.com/general/docs/lit/getliterature.tsp?genericPartNumber=tlv320aic34&fileType=pdf Oct 31 16:47:40 the codec datasheet. Oct 31 16:47:54 DocScrutinizer: who had a test implementation of the inbuilt filtering/ Oct 31 16:48:11 forgot the nick :-/ shame on me Oct 31 16:48:26 ShadowJK? Oct 31 16:48:30 konttori? Oct 31 16:48:31 nope Oct 31 16:48:37 MNZ? Oct 31 16:48:37 mmm... Oct 31 16:48:43 3 letter asian guy aiui Oct 31 16:48:45 not me Oct 31 16:48:46 MNZ Oct 31 16:48:52 MNZ is doing it on the DSP! Oct 31 16:48:55 sounds right Oct 31 16:49:04 not by any codec filter afaik Oct 31 16:49:09 but by a filter on the dsp Oct 31 16:49:16 nope Oct 31 16:49:30 Ah - MNZ Oct 31 16:49:42 what means DSP? of course the filters on audio codec are a DSP Oct 31 16:49:59 but not THAT DSP Oct 31 16:50:08 See page 38 - of the above link - it's a FIR/IIR filter inside the audio codec chip. Oct 31 16:50:30 even 2, or 4 Oct 31 16:50:59 It's not a very good filter - it can't do parametric EQ. But it's fine for simple high/low-pass Oct 31 16:51:02 2 for preemphasis (exploitable though) and 2 general-purpose Oct 31 16:51:45 SpeedEvil: it CAN do parametric EQ, that's the whole point Oct 31 16:51:59 it can't do graphic EQ Oct 31 16:52:03 Yeah Oct 31 16:52:06 I meant graphic Oct 31 16:53:17 unless you transfor your graphic EQ settings to a parametric one that fits on the chip's filter HW Oct 31 16:54:48 javispedro: so, again - stupid or not? :-P Oct 31 16:55:27 before shouting it aloud I'd need to guess what are the cons. Oct 31 16:56:30 clumsy to handle, especially for SW centric developers that don't give a shit about reading complex chip datasheets Oct 31 16:57:02 (or because of HW centric developers that do not give a shit about common usage by the software =) ). Oct 31 16:57:23 less universal than the PA SW centric approach which is well orthodox inside the maemo audio paradigme Oct 31 16:58:33 PA is a just a wrapper over ALSA. If it can be implemented on ALSA, it can be implemented on PA. Oct 31 16:58:41 It's easier to implement stuff in software if you ignore all the complex modes of the chips, that the HW designers of the chips put there to save battery. Oct 31 16:59:54 javispedro: the main hw glitch in N900 audio which burns the speakers obviously is the missing highpass/DC-decoupling. Quite clearly these small transducers don't like being driven @ 5Hz and full power, from a DC-coupled class-D amp Oct 31 17:01:20 javispedro: when maemo developers noticed speakers escaping magic blue smoke, they entered panic mode and implemented a fix in PA Oct 31 17:01:33 nobody even considered it could be done in HW Oct 31 17:01:46 biggest n900 related audio issue is nothing to do with electronics Oct 31 17:01:49 its positioning! Oct 31 17:01:55 the sound comes out sideways Oct 31 17:02:15 put a pair of bat ears on the n900 to send the device towards operators ears ;) Oct 31 17:02:23 send the sound Oct 31 17:02:44 well, those ears are available for iPhone :-P Oct 31 17:02:58 maybe they fit to N900 as well ;-D Oct 31 17:03:39 i left my headphones when i was on a long train trip one time Oct 31 17:04:20 had to cup hands to be able to hear things Oct 31 17:05:00 yeah, it's not a pocket megaphon :-D Oct 31 17:06:32 SpeedEvil: page 38 talks about a "digital" filter Oct 31 17:06:35 not an analog Oct 31 17:06:37 one. Oct 31 17:06:51 javispedro: legend has it this was the reason for the last delay of N900 MP rollout Oct 31 17:07:13 javispedro: so what? Oct 31 17:07:20 javispedro: yes - it's got internal A/D and D/A Oct 31 17:07:25 on power save mode, all dacs and adcs are powered off Oct 31 17:07:27 It goes digital internally Oct 31 17:07:31 oh. Oct 31 17:09:16 Hi Oct 31 17:10:05 javispedro: well, I see your point for the particular usecase SpeedEvil was pondering. Needs further evaluation, I'm not sure about that (audio with filter while CPU asleep), but I'm sure for all 'normal' usecases that digital filter is good enough to get rid of this 30% PA cpu hog Oct 31 17:10:10 No news about the cause of repos down ? Oct 31 17:10:55 If someone have : Oct 31 17:10:57 Filename: pool/fremantle/free/i/imagemagick/imagemagick_6.3.7.9.dfsg2-1~lenny3maemo1_armel.deb Oct 31 17:10:58 Creteil: nope :-/ Oct 31 17:10:58 Can it send me please ? Oct 31 17:11:00 now my question is. Oct 31 17:11:28 so if it's just a matter of writting some control registers, like reg 12, and just setting audio to the adcs as per usual.. Oct 31 17:11:34 s/setting/sending/ Oct 31 17:11:35 javispedro meant: so if it's just a matter of writting some control registers, like reg 12, and just sending audio to the adcs as per usual.. Oct 31 17:11:45 sounds trivial? Oct 31 17:11:50 yes, it is Oct 31 17:12:00 MNZ did a POC Oct 31 17:12:11 this has nothing to do with PA, then. It's just a matter of exposing the functionality to userspace. Oct 31 17:12:33 (well, and then disabling whatever PA does...) Oct 31 17:12:41 (and trying to talk to Nokia about it...) Oct 31 17:12:50 yes, plus getting rid of this cruft Nokia implemented into the closed source speaker protection Oct 31 17:13:02 axactly Oct 31 17:13:08 DocScrutinizer, I'm just amazed how a company like Nokia can have this sort of troubles with repositories :-( Oct 31 17:13:09 exactly Oct 31 17:13:31 Creteil: no idea- maybe because it's weekend Oct 31 17:13:46 DocScrutinizer: supposedly disabling xprot has been done already, because it reads what to do from a .ini file for all I know. Oct 31 17:14:02 javispedro: alas the "talking to Nokia" part is hard, you know Oct 31 17:14:22 DocScrutinizer, lol, Someone at Nokia switched of the NOC when going to the week-end :-) mouahahahaha Oct 31 17:14:24 DocScrutinizer: I know the answer already: "try and try to integrate it on Meego kernels first" Oct 31 17:15:11 javispedro: Nokia not even willing to release the audiometric specs of their filter cruft Oct 31 17:15:17 s/switched of the NOC/switched OFF the NOC/ Oct 31 17:15:18 Creteil meant: DocScrutinizer, lol, Someone at Nokia switched OFF the NOC when going to the week-end :-) mouahahahaha Oct 31 17:16:33 javispedro: just like they don't disclose any other specs like e.g battery charging parameters recommended, or max current for flash LEDs, or or or Oct 31 17:18:37 either you do a complete RE on existing closed blob crap like bme, PA speaker prot... Or you implement on best guess and test if it actually works like expected or will break your device Oct 31 17:18:54 I understand that's awful. Oct 31 17:19:12 btw, what does meego-arm do here regarding xprot? are you pulling nokia's PA modules? Oct 31 17:19:20 As community developers usually don't have a 5 dozen to do the latter approach, it's not better than on any other completely closed platform Oct 31 17:19:28 does anyone know or I have to ping Sts_keeps ? ;) Oct 31 17:19:34 pupnik_: wget osc27, wget osc-2010.10.30-11.. , ./osc27, gcc osc-2010.. , correct? Oct 31 17:20:17 javispedro: (meego xprot) "we'll deal with that later" Oct 31 17:20:46 * javispedro makes mental note not to listen to any music using meego Oct 31 17:20:51 javispedro: I brought it up on #meego-arm Oct 31 17:21:23 reaction was, errrm... not worth remembering Oct 31 17:21:51 that's some good info to add to a potential bugreport Oct 31 17:22:19 * DocScrutinizer shrugs Oct 31 17:22:57 #meego is somewhat pretty ignorant regarding such topics. First thing you receive is bashing with "Is it upstream??" Oct 31 17:23:20 "No, it is Nokia propietary". Oct 31 17:23:28 soHso me is going "MEH, screwit" Oct 31 17:23:45 I can understand such a upstream rule. Oct 31 17:24:02 I cannot understand stupid Nokia propietariness. Oct 31 17:24:23 such an upstream rule won't get you any platform specific drivers anyway Oct 31 17:24:45 we're talking about exposing codec features through alsa. nothing platform-specific so far. Oct 31 17:25:39 it's not upstream as Nokia hasn't pushed it. So meego won't get it as it's not upstream, and nobody cares Oct 31 17:25:58 lemme see if we're talking about the same thing Oct 31 17:26:06 what's needed is information on what is xprot exactly doing Oct 31 17:26:13 yes Oct 31 17:26:15 so that we can replicately it on a hw level Oct 31 17:26:20 yes Oct 31 17:26:46 alternatively we need proper detailed specs of transducers Oct 31 17:27:15 freq range, peak power, RMS power, sinus power Oct 31 17:27:24 duration of bursts allowed Oct 31 17:27:27 etc Oct 31 17:27:52 freq response (to calibrate filters to make speakers sound better) Oct 31 17:28:22 specs of what nox does are F' of that Oct 31 17:28:35 er xprot Oct 31 17:29:32 * javispedro ponders something Oct 31 17:29:58 Did I hear once that pulse doesn't do xprot for headphones? Oct 31 17:30:07 we can get datasheets of codec and amp, we hardly get for transducers, esp when operating in this particular enclosure Oct 31 17:30:17 yes Oct 31 17:30:28 hum. Oct 31 17:30:44 for sure HP should be handled differently than speakers Oct 31 17:30:48 I wonder how it knows wheter you are using headphnes or not. Oct 31 17:30:58 not the system, but PA specifically. Oct 31 17:31:03 NFC Oct 31 17:31:12 policy? Oct 31 17:31:14 if it does it by monitoring alsa ctls, all is well. Oct 31 17:31:27 if it does it by any other means, then pyfmradio is not using xprot. Oct 31 17:31:31 never wrapped my head around that Oct 31 17:31:37 which could be an issue. Oct 31 17:32:30 anyway, time to get some dinner Oct 31 17:32:32 o/ Oct 31 17:32:36 cya Oct 31 17:34:04 potential problem here indeed. Oct 31 17:34:19 so, tapping "Speakers" on fmradio just changes some alsa ctls to point dacs to speakers Oct 31 17:34:26 but does not notify anyone else. Oct 31 17:34:37 if pulse is not listening to ctl changes... it will keep xprot disabled. Oct 31 17:35:18 * javispedro needs to remember to fire an email about this Oct 31 17:42:21 anyone know where i can download the latest n900 firmware, the main site seems to be down. Oct 31 17:43:04 nowhere, just wait 24h Oct 31 17:43:29 Someone have an idea how to fix that : Oct 31 17:43:45 dh_gencontrol -i Oct 31 17:43:46 dpkg-gencontrol: warning: unknown information field `C Homepage' in input data in general section of control info file Oct 31 17:43:48 dpkg-gencontrol: warning: can't parse dependency Oct 31 17:43:50 python-openssl (>= 0.6) Oct 31 17:43:51 dpkg-gencontrol: error: error occurred while parsing Recommends Oct 31 17:43:53 dh_gencontrol: command returned error code 2304 Oct 31 17:43:55 make: *** [binary-indep] Error 1 Oct 31 17:44:01 Creteil: next time use a pastebin service Oct 31 17:44:03 ~pastebin Oct 31 17:44:04 [~pastebin] A "pastebin" is a web-based service where you should paste anything over 3 lines so you don't flood the channel. Here are links to a few : http://www.pastebin.com , http://pastebin.ca , http://channels.debian.net/paste , http://paste.lisp.org , http://bin.cakephp.org/ , http://asterisk.pastey.net/ , or install pastebinit with yum or aptitude. Oct 31 17:44:40 wow next time i will saveing the firmware on my harddrive Oct 31 17:44:49 javispedro, does it is considered as a flood by your irc client ? Oct 31 17:44:54 Creteil: also read: http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ Oct 31 17:45:14 Creteil: or pastebin your full control file. Oct 31 17:48:23 javispedro, ok wait 1 I come back ... Oct 31 17:49:47 Aranel: rename any .c file to osc-pix.c and then run ./osc27 and then hit F3 Oct 31 17:50:34 did they fix the speakers on more recent N900s? Oct 31 17:51:25 back Oct 31 17:51:40 pupnik_: wow, the_sun looks very cool. But It's effect duration is 2 seconds, then It stops. Is it normal? Oct 31 17:52:32 wileybd: http://tinyurl.com/239j9yq Oct 31 17:53:25 javispedro, http://paste.ubuntu.com/523390/ Oct 31 17:54:06 Aranel: it should be continuous Oct 31 17:54:14 are you on ia32? Oct 31 17:54:38 pupnik_: yes Oct 31 17:55:01 nid0 thanks so much Oct 31 17:55:04 pupnik_: Intel C2D working as a 32-bit, Ubuntu 10.04 Oct 31 17:55:23 pupnik_: should I work it on armel? Oct 31 17:55:23 c2d here also, debian - join #liqbase to get better info Oct 31 17:55:30 there is an armel version Oct 31 17:55:41 anyone by chance have the debian file for flash updater 3.5 so i dont have to use windows? Oct 31 17:57:06 wileybd, get it !!! Oct 31 17:57:12 nabend nox Oct 31 17:59:13 moin pupnik_, # Oct 31 17:59:20 creteil im not sure if its transferring or what Oct 31 17:59:47 can you send it one more time? Oct 31 18:01:26 wileybd, done Oct 31 18:01:32 ok i accepted it Oct 31 18:01:34 thanks Oct 31 18:03:50 wileybd, you received it ? Oct 31 18:04:19 wileybd, on my side I see the offering of the file, but no ack of receiving ... Oct 31 18:04:28 Aborted DCC File Transfer of “maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb” to “wileybd” (62.147.196.247:48866). Oct 31 18:04:50 ah man i cant find it it not transfering for some reason, im on ubuntu and using xchat the dialog comes up and i click accept but its not going in the default .xchat downloads folder not sure why Oct 31 18:05:17 sigh Oct 31 18:05:32 wileybd, because you are behind nat I think ... Oct 31 18:05:33 i have the windows version i can use the dos version it should work Oct 31 18:05:39 they ask us not to distribute their binaries, and they can't distribute them themselves Oct 31 18:05:54 yeah i havent configured my firewall for any of this Oct 31 18:06:50 ive never had this problem before when i updated but im learning alot about this now and to make sure i keep a firmware version of my own thats for sure Oct 31 18:07:01 what a pain Oct 31 18:07:19 wileybd, wait 1 I put it on a FTP ... Oct 31 18:07:51 i guess nido used pastebin somehow Oct 31 18:08:03 thats how im getting the firmware its downloading now Oct 31 18:08:16 he pasted this above http://tinyurl.com/239j9yq Oct 31 18:08:47 oh i see he sent me a nokia link Oct 31 18:09:02 thats just a tinyurl of a nokia.com link from tmo, someone noticed that ovi suite can download the firmware fine still and simply captured the url it uses to fetch it Oct 31 18:09:06 why the hell isnt that one on there site as a place to get the firmware Oct 31 18:09:17 ah Oct 31 18:09:19 i see Oct 31 18:10:06 is that 1.3? Oct 31 18:10:19 wileybd, http://bigbob.fun.free.fr/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb Oct 31 18:10:30 nox-: yea Oct 31 18:10:37 ah cool Oct 31 18:10:43 thanks Oct 31 18:11:37 btw re 1.3, any news on the charging cpu clocking bug? Oct 31 18:11:47 grr, repository.maemo.org is down Oct 31 18:11:50 * MohammadAG pokes X-Fade Oct 31 18:12:01 it's sunday! Oct 31 18:12:15 ffs I wanna fix the SSU for a monday release Oct 31 18:12:23 javispedro, ppl arent supposed to update their phones on weekends? :) Oct 31 18:12:32 (or fix repos) Oct 31 18:12:35 go play some game, ffs. Oct 31 18:12:44 javispedro, no PSN Oct 31 18:12:50 ok everything is downloading thanks for the help Oct 31 18:14:32 I wonder if the server runs on 256MB ram Oct 31 18:14:40 MohammadAG: 770 cluster. Oct 31 18:15:02 ah, so it's just swapping like hell then Oct 31 18:15:13 it's not down, just... inaccessible Oct 31 18:15:22 actually, it's akamai Oct 31 18:15:33 * MohammadAG checks dictionary Oct 31 18:15:44 akamai (n.) -> see retarded (n.) Oct 31 18:16:05 :) Oct 31 18:16:39 :-) Oct 31 18:16:48 X-Fade, needs to have a hotline or something Oct 31 18:17:17 a hotline? they should just fix their stuff... Oct 31 18:17:34 well, shit happens Oct 31 18:17:44 well its certainly not the first time Oct 31 18:18:04 but it's been sometime since it's last happened Oct 31 18:18:10 mmh Oct 31 18:19:04 * nox- suspects they are just not prepared for the load after a new release Oct 31 18:20:23 (and im pretty sure their logs tell them already so a hotline wouldnt help :) Oct 31 18:20:47 yes, but X-Fade's mostly always away on weekends Oct 31 18:21:06 so if it breaks on friday, you'll have to wait till monday till he checks logs Oct 31 18:21:08 ah X-Fade works for akamai? Oct 31 18:21:19 no, X-Fade is the repo admin Oct 31 18:21:23 ah Oct 31 18:21:36 or maemo.org admin, whatever Oct 31 18:21:45 he's the "webmaster" Oct 31 18:21:49 i c Oct 31 18:22:40 i just wonder if the problem has more to do with akamai than the repo itself... Oct 31 18:22:59 its highly unlikely Oct 31 18:23:06 ok Oct 31 18:23:41 the internet still works, so akamai's working Oct 31 18:23:47 hah Oct 31 18:24:28 at least ive seen `strange' stuff like maemo websites accessible from pcs but not from the phone before... Oct 31 18:25:16 the maemo sites arent hosted on akamai Oct 31 18:25:28 oh Oct 31 18:26:51 most subsections of maemo.org are statically hosted in finland, and tmo's hosted by softlayer in the states - it's the download repos that're served by akamai Oct 31 18:27:01 i c Oct 31 18:27:15 well, someone have an idea on this error : http://pastebin.com/9anqgpLm ??? Oct 31 18:28:13 wild guess: dkpg tools version mismatch? Oct 31 18:28:39 Creteil: if the file is coming from devel, don't ask us, ask the uploader Oct 31 18:29:00 nox-, what do you mean exactly ? Oct 31 18:29:42 whoever built that package used a version that adds fields maemo's version doesnt yet know? Oct 31 18:30:04 as i said just a guess... Oct 31 18:35:38 ~pr-1.3 Oct 31 18:35:46 -_- Oct 31 18:38:01 ~pr1.3 Oct 31 18:38:01 ~MohammadAG Oct 31 18:38:01 i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Oct 31 18:38:35 <_trine> infobot might be wrong Oct 31 18:38:44 ~burn himself Oct 31 18:38:44 * infobot pours gasoline all over himself, ignites the fire, and then enjoys some toasty marshmallows with the glorious blaze Oct 31 18:38:46 btw DocScrutinizer, any news on the charging cpu clocking bug? Oct 31 18:38:57 <_trine> PR 1.2 might be the last firmware for the UK Oct 31 18:39:04 <_trine> :P Oct 31 18:39:12 nox-: lol, maybe somebody opened a ticket meanwhile? Oct 31 18:39:22 whats special about uk that they need their extra version? Oct 31 18:39:38 <_trine> nox we are special Oct 31 18:39:46 mmh :) Oct 31 18:39:50 <_trine> we need to have the lastest spy ware fitted Oct 31 18:39:54 lol Oct 31 18:39:56 i c.... :) Oct 31 18:39:59 <_trine> by our government Oct 31 18:40:06 right Oct 31 18:40:46 <_trine> nox it goes with all the CCTV and town hall spys Oct 31 18:40:51 yeah Oct 31 18:57:04 http://www.christeck.de/wp/2010/10/25/hacking-monav-dreams-come-true/ Oct 31 18:59:52 wtf Oct 31 18:59:59 1k available on N900 Oct 31 19:04:52 cehteh: neat Oct 31 19:05:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vXJ0WtWGRLE Omap3 Dreamcast emulator 5-6 fps Oct 31 19:06:26 infobot: MohammadAG is I AM YOUR FATHER Oct 31 19:06:27 ...but mohammadag is already something else... Oct 31 19:06:30 LOL Oct 31 19:06:53 ~mohammadag Oct 31 19:06:53 methinks mohammadag is your father Oct 31 19:07:06 ah, so he beat me to it lol Oct 31 19:07:22 it was my idea anyways :P Oct 31 19:07:43 :-) Oct 31 19:07:44 ~n900 Oct 31 19:07:45 rumour has it, n900 is a wooden box with stained cans inside Oct 31 19:07:49 LOL Oct 31 19:08:38 ~frails Oct 31 19:08:49 no i Oct 31 19:08:55 ~frals Oct 31 19:08:56 i guess frals is a large smelly trout, or the developer of fMMS Oct 31 19:09:10 :) Oct 31 19:09:40 ~b-man Oct 31 19:09:42 [b-man] the traffic lights dude Oct 31 19:09:54 for gods sake Oct 31 19:10:04 the bot works in pm too as far as I know Oct 31 19:10:06 sorry, it felt empty in here :P Oct 31 19:10:21 XD Oct 31 19:10:40 [b-man] the traffic lights dude - kinda true XD Oct 31 19:10:51 * b-man` grabs the picture Oct 31 19:12:47 gah, where is it :P Oct 31 19:13:19 my N900 is screwed up, since I went with him into a party I am not able to boot from it. Tried flashing it a dozen times, it always stops at a random percentage of the "Programming CMT" phase. What should I do? Oct 31 19:13:28 ah, here it is :D http://b-man.xceleo.org/SANY1481.JPG Oct 31 19:13:40 is it the latest image ptl? Oct 31 19:13:43 ptl, do not get the n900 drunk again. Oct 31 19:14:09 MohammadAG51: tried with PR1.2 and PR1.3 Oct 31 19:14:18 try it from a different computer with different leads, failing that idk and nokia care would probably be the best folks to chat to Oct 31 19:14:19 hmm Oct 31 19:14:28 CMT is the modem Oct 31 19:14:42 take out the sim? Oct 31 19:15:06 Yeah, I had sent it to a Nokia authorized support center and it stood there for a week. They sent me back saying they had no replacement parts for the N900 yet. :-/ Oct 31 19:15:18 Yes, I did take out the SIM, the memory card Oct 31 19:15:35 try sending it to a different repair center that doesnt suck Oct 31 19:15:35 CMT is the modem part? Oct 31 19:16:17 it's the only one in a 200 miles radius :-( Oct 31 19:16:31 well, anyway Oct 31 19:16:37 ptl yes Oct 31 19:16:45 I called nokia and they said I should return to that repair center and tell them that they indeed have the part Oct 31 19:16:58 Cellular Modem Tsomething Oct 31 19:17:28 replacing the modem's easy Oct 31 19:17:40 afail it's next to the battery Oct 31 19:17:47 Cellular Modem Telephone? Oct 31 19:17:53 would it be too costly, MohammadAG51? Oct 31 19:17:54 lock switch side Oct 31 19:18:03 sec Oct 31 19:18:06 k Oct 31 19:18:38 hmm, the antenna's 6.00 Oct 31 19:19:08 see http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900?page=1 Oct 31 19:19:11 k Oct 31 19:19:16 wtf replacing rapuyama?? Oct 31 19:20:07 gsm antenna != cmt Oct 31 19:20:24 The modem is on the motherboard. Oct 31 19:20:33 It is not a service centre replacable part Oct 31 19:20:48 I question if it is ever repaired to that level routinely. Oct 31 19:20:58 s/service center/ Oct 31 19:21:03 Nokia CP-321 is the modem? Oct 31 19:21:18 case Oct 31 19:21:22 The modem is not a replacable part. Oct 31 19:21:29 It is part of the motherboard. Oct 31 19:21:30 flashed successfully right now, but still can't boot Oct 31 19:21:39 I even tried that rescue image but after I flash-boot from it the screen goes black Oct 31 19:21:55 try a framebuffer kernel Oct 31 19:22:01 it should say where it fails to boot Oct 31 19:22:03 recharge bat Oct 31 19:22:08 where do I get that? Oct 31 19:22:14 I did recharge the battery Oct 31 19:22:15 bs fb Oct 31 19:22:27 ptl: do again! Oct 31 19:22:35 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1.bin Oct 31 19:22:56 I wonder if 1.2 and 1.3 modules and intercompatible Oct 31 19:23:18 i don't see why not Oct 31 19:23:24 same kernel version Oct 31 19:23:31 different headers? Oct 31 19:23:53 the kernel headers should be the same Oct 31 19:24:56 ptl flash that kernel Oct 31 19:25:26 I will Oct 31 19:25:37 flasher-3.5 -F zImage-fb-omap1.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R Oct 31 19:25:38 right? Oct 31 19:25:43 flasher-3.5 -k zImage-fb-omap1.bin -f -R Oct 31 19:25:44 yup Oct 31 19:25:46 ok Oct 31 19:25:50 erll *-R Oct 31 19:25:54 *well Oct 31 19:25:55 doesn't matter Oct 31 19:26:13 b-man`, and it's not a fiasco, so it's not -F Oct 31 19:26:23 true Oct 31 19:26:32 it's just .bin cause the old server it was on only accepted files with an extension Oct 31 19:27:05 * MohammadAG wonders where he can get a BH-505, besides ebay Oct 31 19:27:15 done flashing kernel Oct 31 19:27:21 boot Oct 31 19:27:28 it's trying to boot. white screen with blue Nokia logo Oct 31 19:27:30 BH-505? Oct 31 19:27:32 seems to be stuck Oct 31 19:27:39 b-man`, yes Oct 31 19:27:48 ptl, no text? Oct 31 19:27:50 the screen flashed, logo again Oct 31 19:27:51 no text Oct 31 19:28:05 DocScrutinizer51, signs of fucked up NOLO ^ Oct 31 19:28:13 * MohammadAG pokes jacekowski Oct 31 19:28:27 NOLO? Oct 31 19:28:37 Nolia LOader Oct 31 19:28:39 bootloader, but that should be flashed by areflash Oct 31 19:28:41 boot loader Oct 31 19:28:42 a reflash* Oct 31 19:28:53 ***Nokia LOader Oct 31 19:28:58 Yeah but I just flashed an entire FIASCO image successfully Oct 31 19:28:58 * b-man` hates his kb :P Oct 31 19:29:02 b-man`, we got it the first time :P Oct 31 19:29:25 MohammadAG: i know, i just hate making typos :P Oct 31 19:29:29 ptl, you flashed the 1.3 image right? Oct 31 19:29:37 right Oct 31 19:29:57 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin Oct 31 19:30:14 I wish I could at least make my internal MMC available for a backup Oct 31 19:30:31 desolder it :P Oct 31 19:30:37 sec though Oct 31 19:30:39 OC Oct 31 19:30:43 If I could do that, I would copy it entirely then send to Nokia for international support Oct 31 19:30:47 ok Oct 31 19:31:42 * MohammadAG wants a BH-505 in less than 15 days Oct 31 19:31:47 suggestions? please? Oct 31 19:32:28 why can't I even run the rescue image for making ~/MyDocs available? Oct 31 19:32:36 ptl, http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/framebuffer/zImage-fb-omap1-pr13 Oct 31 19:32:44 oh, thanks Oct 31 19:32:45 flash that Oct 31 19:32:51 if that doesn't work, I'm out of ideas Oct 31 19:32:57 or /dev/mtd1's fucked up Oct 31 19:33:12 :( Oct 31 19:33:40 ptl, meego image? Oct 31 19:34:02 1.3 maemo 5 image Oct 31 19:34:14 no, the rescue image Oct 31 19:34:24 the meego rescue image Oct 31 19:34:27 oh Oct 31 19:34:29 yes Oct 31 19:34:40 that didn't work? Oct 31 19:34:57 it says it doesn't overwrite anything, it would just present a menu with options Oct 31 19:35:25 the menu never appears, the screen fades to black after the nokia logo Oct 31 19:35:47 then nothing shows? Oct 31 19:36:58 yep, nothing shows, it stays black for about 20 seconds, then reboots Oct 31 19:37:24 and the 1.3 kernel did not work also :( Oct 31 19:37:41 well, I got so dependent on that device I don't know what to do Oct 31 19:38:12 something on the very low level seems broken Oct 31 19:38:14 I will resort to the Nokia care center again Oct 31 19:38:23 yes.. it is definitely a hardware issue.. Oct 31 19:38:24 running a rescue image off of RAM should work Oct 31 19:38:51 and it didn't :( Oct 31 19:39:14 the kernel is loaded though Oct 31 19:39:21 since fading to black only happens on 2.6.35 Oct 31 19:40:07 it's not really 'fading'. black points appear over the nokia logo screen until it goes all black, it's very fast Oct 31 19:40:29 *black pixels Oct 31 19:40:43 yeah, I know Oct 31 19:40:51 I thought something went wrong the first time I saw it Oct 31 19:41:38 what is the kernel parameter for booting via framebuffer? I will try adding it to the meego rescue kernel Oct 31 19:43:29 that kernel already has a framebuffer Oct 31 19:43:35 otherwise, it wouldn't be able to show the menu Oct 31 19:43:52 ok Oct 31 19:58:59 lala Oct 31 20:06:37 oddly, my device has decided out of the blue to no longer display contact information while the phone's ringing or the call's in progress, but then shows the correct info in the call log after the call - any idea what might cause that? :\ Oct 31 20:08:03 MohammadAG: ping Oct 31 20:09:03 MohammadAG: Two things; what's downlevel from git trunk on PR1.3 (ISTR, you saying hildon-desktop or modest was); 2) is there a post somewhere about the new repo? Oct 31 20:10:04 Jaffa, repository.maemo.org is down, otherwise, I was aiming for a monday release Oct 31 20:10:31 Jaffa, I've included Matan's patches in the latest hildon-desktop from git for the repo btw Oct 31 20:10:39 MohammadAG: Cool. Oct 31 20:10:45 hildon-desktop is two versions old afaik Oct 31 20:10:50 Perfect. Oct 31 20:10:59 and it looks like it's more than that, since the calling bug is still there Oct 31 20:10:59 * Jaffa 'll have the community repo in the next MWKN then :)) Oct 31 20:11:06 even though it should've been fixed in .40 Oct 31 20:11:28 Jaffa, the repo is ready right now, but it's down, and I just need to push two new updates Oct 31 20:11:44 you're on .install file away ;) Oct 31 20:11:51 MohammadAG: Indeed ;-) Oct 31 20:12:00 MohammadAG: Happy for it to be teased/trailed in tomorrow's MWKN? Oct 31 20:12:01 one*, fail lol Oct 31 20:12:24 I don't mind, might release it tomorrow anyways, if X-Fade fixes the repo in time :) Oct 31 20:13:28 MohammadAG: Yeah, but I'm editing the issue now ;-) Oct 31 20:13:58 I see that I have the latest backupmanu from the App Man, but when I launch it it says i have 0.3x version Oct 31 20:14:02 *backupmenu Oct 31 20:16:26 * MohammadAG so wants to port Symbian^3 Oct 31 20:16:38 it's a huge leap from Symbian^1 Oct 31 20:17:38 MohammadAG: how do you liek n8?> Oct 31 20:18:21 it wins over the N900 in some aspects, fails in others Oct 31 20:18:41 UI is on par with the iPhone's in terms of being smooth Oct 31 20:18:48 gallery is smoother on the N8 actually Oct 31 20:19:05 phone app works well, doesn't droll for 2 secs when clicking answer Oct 31 20:19:15 camera's awesome, etc, but browser fails a lot Oct 31 20:19:31 MohammadAG: would you mind if the whole device were thicker? (as thick as the camera part)? Oct 31 20:19:32 network connection management is fail, as always with Symbian, it keeps WLAN and 3G active at the same time Oct 31 20:19:42 urgh Oct 31 20:19:43 nope, it's very light as it is Oct 31 20:19:54 Hm, does the N8 have a physical keyboard? If not, then why do people compare it to the N900? Oct 31 20:20:20 the keyboard is an input method, both devices have input methods Oct 31 20:20:20 dunno. it's 2x as expensive and is completely boring for linux folks Oct 31 20:20:29 what? Oct 31 20:20:41 n900 ~ 350 euro, n8 ~ 680 euro Oct 31 20:20:47 MohammadAG: the N900 can be had below $300 ow. Oct 31 20:20:48 WHAT?! Oct 31 20:20:48 *now Oct 31 20:20:59 I got this for 400 bucks Oct 31 20:21:00 heh i'm wrong on the n8 price Oct 31 20:21:07 that was e7 Oct 31 20:21:09 or 350 Oct 31 20:21:20 the N900 was more expensive in the shop Oct 31 20:21:36 yeah n8 is 440 here Oct 31 20:21:38 and it's not really mine, I'm just "reviewing" it :P Oct 31 20:22:31 e7 is preordering at like 650-680 Oct 31 20:22:51 that's a lot... Oct 31 20:23:02 it has no microSD slot, and an 8MP camera Oct 31 20:23:04 MohammadAG: for me N8 selling point is having a seriously good camera with you all the time Oct 31 20:23:15 yep Oct 31 20:23:24 I can get a ready image in 2 secs Oct 31 20:23:30 plus i love the styling on these so much Oct 31 20:23:32 Jaffa: if you got voids to fill, there's great progress on hostmode, mainly driven by PaulFertser Oct 31 20:23:35 focused and processed Oct 31 20:23:36 what would be a good case for N900? Oct 31 20:24:06 DocScrutinizer: hostmode?? Oct 31 20:24:11 ~hostmode Oct 31 20:24:12 hostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=857496#post857496 Oct 31 20:24:12 ~hostmode Oct 31 20:24:17 lol Oct 31 20:24:18 DocScrutinizer, you spammer :P Oct 31 20:24:38 oh usb hostmode. Oct 31 20:24:45 i hoped for wifi :) Oct 31 20:24:51 aah Oct 31 20:24:54 lol what? Oct 31 20:24:59 wifi hostmode? Oct 31 20:25:12 managed Oct 31 20:25:38 * MohammadAG likes N900 notifier Oct 31 20:25:45 if only it were a daemon Oct 31 20:25:55 well, an auto started daemon that is Oct 31 20:26:17 DocScrutinizer, but still imo Oct 31 20:26:23 *cough* grmbnitscriptsmbl Oct 31 20:26:26 I think hostmode shouldn't be rushed to the public Oct 31 20:26:29 Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/sdk/free libqt4-core 4.6.2~git20100224-0maemo1+0m5 504 Gateway Time-out [IP: 195.175.70.16 80] Oct 31 20:26:31 well Oct 31 20:26:37 what's wrong with Scratchbox? Oct 31 20:26:38 rushed is in hyped today Oct 31 20:26:48 we should hype it tomorrow :P Oct 31 20:26:55 Aranel, topic Oct 31 20:27:34 MohammadAG: d'oh.. thanks. Oct 31 20:28:01 freemoe's dead Oct 31 20:28:10 we need a fast server to mirror the official repos Oct 31 20:28:14 MohammadAG: we won't hype it at all, a simple britsish dry alpha release will do :-P Oct 31 20:28:36 DocScrutinizer: ta Oct 31 20:28:37 hostmode tagline "it only enumerates everything"? Oct 31 20:28:59 DocScrutinizer, screw alpha, prebeta! Oct 31 20:29:09 MohammadAG: I love the N8's hardware compared with the N900. Feels very stylish, but understated. Whereas the N900 looks like an slab/brick. Oct 31 20:29:10 HELL beta even Oct 31 20:29:22 hmm Oct 31 20:29:28 the n9 looks better Oct 31 20:29:31 DocScrutinizer, let's revolutionize releases Oct 31 20:29:40 DocScrutinizer, the release will be a gamma release Oct 31 20:29:40 hhehe Oct 31 20:29:50 never heard of those Oct 31 20:30:07 gamma ray release Oct 31 20:30:14 or X-hostmode, anything with an X these days is cool Oct 31 20:30:19 MohammadAG: is it 00:00 Oct 31 GMT? Or which time zone? Oct 31 20:30:27 Amiga workbench 1.3gamma Oct 31 20:30:31 no, it's not GMT, it's UTC :P Oct 31 20:30:35 Sun Oct 31 21:25:56 CET 2010 Oct 31 20:30:51 MohammadAG: well that's been before you were born :-P Oct 31 20:31:04 k, iHostmode Oct 31 20:31:14 eeweeeeewWWWWwwwWW Oct 31 20:31:15 Aww, so repos down for more than 3 hours. :| Oct 31 20:31:20 Hostmode status: guru meditation Oct 31 20:31:28 Aranel: repos are closed Oct 31 20:31:32 Aranel: no more maemo Oct 31 20:31:33 lol jacekowski Oct 31 20:31:41 * DocScrutinizer closes jacekowski Oct 31 20:31:41 jacekowski: sure. Oct 31 20:31:50 jacekowski, got the kernel? Oct 31 20:31:55 nope Oct 31 20:32:07 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/kernels/kernel_2.6.28-20103103+0m5.diff.gz Oct 31 20:32:09 i'll do it tomorrow Oct 31 20:32:11 k Oct 31 20:32:28 hey, with maemo5, you could run the whole OS on a lower-res screen, just by using hildon to scale down from 800x480 Oct 31 20:32:32 Whats the next step if ive just reflashed my n900 with the latest update and after its completed it reboots gets past the white nokia logo and then just sits there displaying the white flashing circles from left to right for like forever. Ive tried the windows updater like 3 times and now ive used to flasher tool in debian like twice and i still get the same results. Ive also pulled the battery and waited 5 mins between these insta Oct 31 20:32:32 lls Oct 31 20:33:08 also did the R&d mode on and off Oct 31 20:33:19 wileybd, reflash it again, and this time be patient Oct 31 20:33:23 first boot is always slow since 1.2 Oct 31 20:33:29 ah ok Oct 31 20:33:34 how long is slow? Oct 31 20:33:38 like 15 mins? Oct 31 20:33:40 30? Oct 31 20:33:42 wileybd: stop messing around clueless, check Oct 31 20:33:45 ~flashing Oct 31 20:33:46 [flashing] http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 31 20:33:49 ok Oct 31 20:33:55 wileybd, no, more like 5... Oct 31 20:33:59 ok Oct 31 20:34:03 maybe you're eMMC needs flashing? Oct 31 20:34:08 back it up, and flash it Oct 31 20:34:20 yeah i did see in r&d mode "No init ramfs" Oct 31 20:34:24 MohammadAG: Do you know if the problem is being looked at? Oct 31 20:34:26 sounds like a ramdisk issue Oct 31 20:34:34 Jaffa, hmm, which one? Oct 31 20:34:39 MohammadAG: *.maemo.org Oct 31 20:34:46 wileybd: that's normal Oct 31 20:34:48 just not sure what it does when it reflashes so Oct 31 20:34:50 wileybd, no initfs, normal Oct 31 20:34:55 ah ok Oct 31 20:34:57 "no initfs \o/" Oct 31 20:35:01 yep thats it Oct 31 20:35:04 Jaffa, X-Fade's away Oct 31 20:35:05 yeeha! Oct 31 20:35:14 ~initrd Oct 31 20:35:15 from memory, initrd is initial root disk. initial RAM disk, or god's way of punishing you for using a prebuilt kernel image, or ...And you WILL HAVE TO INCLUDE AN INITRD STATEMENT IN YOUR BOOTLOADER (hint, hint). Typically if you can't find your root filesystem, this is your problem. Oct 31 20:35:31 note the god part Oct 31 20:35:32 MohammadAG: OK, quick summary of the problem for me to raise a support issue? Oct 31 20:35:45 MohammadAG: We have people who are paid to support us; even in X-Fade's absence! :) Oct 31 20:35:50 repository.maemo.org is down Oct 31 20:35:55 and tablets-dev Oct 31 20:36:01 And lists.maemo.org Oct 31 20:36:08 wileybd: does it still charge when hoocked to wallcharger? Oct 31 20:36:34 Jaffa, didn't notice that Oct 31 20:36:40 if so then I'd honestly recommend you give it a good charge prior to continuing to mess around with flashing Oct 31 20:36:57 the yellow light stays flashing Oct 31 20:37:04 ill check again Oct 31 20:37:06 whic is a good thing Oct 31 20:37:08 solid/flashing? Oct 31 20:37:17 he said flashing Oct 31 20:37:26 with stays before it ;) Oct 31 20:37:52 Hey guys. How would I increase icon size in Catorise aplication? Oct 31 20:38:08 isn't catorize just a hildon.menu editor? Oct 31 20:38:17 b-man`: It uses the icons used by HAM in the theme Oct 31 20:38:31 meaning increasing icon size would be done by editing hildon-desktop Oct 31 20:38:35 yellow light on the bottem left is flashing but its also has the flashing circles on the screen from left to right when plugged in Oct 31 20:38:38 b-man`: Edit those (or change the icon names in the .directory files under /opt/catorise/share) Oct 31 20:38:47 MohammadAG: There's a fair bit of padding, TBH. Oct 31 20:39:00 wileybd: try to switch off or remove and reinsert bat, then DO NOT power on, just hoock up to charger. If it flashes amber, keep it like that until green Oct 31 20:39:13 ok Oct 31 20:39:23 ok, will look at it. Oct 31 20:39:39 do AMOLEDs use very low power? Oct 31 20:39:47 MohammadAG: (and anyone else): Nemein ticket #1546 reported. Oct 31 20:40:01 the screensaver on the N8 is always on, and it looks like it's a bit bright (not 0 brightness) Oct 31 20:40:19 ~bug 1546 Oct 31 20:40:20 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1546 Text is scrambled in textareas when entered with the thumb keyboard in Opera Oct 31 20:40:31 nox-, internal bugtracker Oct 31 20:40:34 oh Oct 31 20:40:42 MohammadAG: yes, oled is prety economic Oct 31 20:41:22 damn, was thinking of doing the same on the N900 Oct 31 20:41:27 MohammadAG: see, only the bright pixels use power, compare that to LCD Oct 31 20:41:30 I guess that'd rape the battery right? Oct 31 20:41:45 yup Oct 31 20:41:46 with backlight yes Oct 31 20:41:55 and without? Oct 31 20:42:05 without it's yet to test Oct 31 20:42:16 seems LCD controller eats quite a bit Oct 31 20:42:19 ok i took the battery out waited 5 seconds put it back on snapped the cover back on then plugged in the charger and i did not turn it on, the i could see the nokia logo behind the dim sceen faintly and then the yellow light started flashing on the bottem left and now the circles are back going from left to right Oct 31 20:42:39 so i guess it turns on by itself when plugging in the wall charger? Oct 31 20:42:41 did you flash again? Oct 31 20:42:45 no Oct 31 20:42:46 yes Oct 31 20:42:48 does it still flash yellow? Oct 31 20:42:59 yes Oct 31 20:43:24 I suggest keeping it that way, though it's not 100% sure it actually charges Oct 31 20:43:38 ok i will leave it for awhile Oct 31 20:43:46 you got the circles at least Oct 31 20:43:50 I didn't even get that Oct 31 20:43:53 is there really any way to completly damage a n900? Oct 31 20:44:04 wileybd: I think I just achieved that Oct 31 20:44:05 if it doesn't turn green after 2 hours, you're probably really out of luck Oct 31 20:44:07 only the nokia logo screen Oct 31 20:44:09 flashed a zillion times Oct 31 20:44:25 wileybd: drop it from 20m Oct 31 20:44:26 wileybd, yes Oct 31 20:44:33 jacekowski, was gonna say that lol Oct 31 20:44:41 ok so the green light just says it fully charged? or does this mean a software error? Oct 31 20:44:42 MohammadAG: you're too slow Oct 31 20:44:45 microwave oven Oct 31 20:44:59 green == charged Oct 31 20:45:00 i new all that was going to start Oct 31 20:45:17 jacekowski, hmm, is 20m enough? Oct 31 20:45:19 i meant by an accidental remove of a usb plug when updating or somthing like that Oct 31 20:45:25 wileybd: no Oct 31 20:45:31 wileybd: you can just flash it again Oct 31 20:45:33 ok Oct 31 20:45:45 thats what i was thinking Oct 31 20:45:45 i pulled out battery in middle of flashing of CMT Oct 31 20:45:59 I ctrl^c'd the flasher to see if the N900 would get bricked Oct 31 20:46:00 and all that happened was that i had no phone features Oct 31 20:46:05 in january Oct 31 20:46:15 i mean ive seen bricked routers like linksys and dd-wrt and stuff like that i just wasnt sure about n900s Oct 31 20:46:15 and after flashing it it worked again Oct 31 20:46:15 MohammadAG51: what if it did? Oct 31 20:46:17 Jaffa: i'm B-man not D-man :) Oct 31 20:46:30 wileybd: n900 has bulting hardcoded bootloader Oct 31 20:46:31 ptl, didn't think that far Oct 31 20:46:43 wileybd: that can be used to coldflash it Oct 31 20:46:50 builtin* Oct 31 20:46:57 into the omap3 right Oct 31 20:46:59 ? Oct 31 20:47:02 yes Oct 31 20:47:06 and omap2 as well Oct 31 20:47:08 i see Oct 31 20:47:28 according to my latest research rapuyama is only omap2 based on omap3 Oct 31 20:47:37 not* Oct 31 20:48:14 and i'm not sure if rapuyama bootloader is flashed at all Oct 31 20:51:02 Any idea why garage.maemo.org didn't call git update-server-info, and so h-e-n repo is unavailable via https? Oct 31 20:51:20 PaulFertser, cause maemo.org is dying Oct 31 20:52:00 jacekowski: could you please document on wiki "how to nuke NOLO - and how to restore aka coldflash it again" please Oct 31 20:52:37 subtitle "including detailled step by step instructions" Oct 31 20:52:51 for x in `ls /dev/mtd* | xargs`; do dd of $x; done Oct 31 20:53:08 yep Oct 31 20:53:09 DocScrutinizer51, there you go ^ Oct 31 20:53:17 now for the rwestore part Oct 31 20:53:29 command crippled for obvious curious-people reasons Oct 31 20:53:46 much appreciated :D Oct 31 20:54:05 @noobs if you figure out the command, do it as root, that way you won't be ashamed you did it as user and failed :P Oct 31 20:54:37 DocScrutinizer51, I think you just need to manually input lsusb output Oct 31 20:55:24 Using serial port /dev/ttyS0 Oct 31 20:55:24 tcgetattr: Input/output error Oct 31 20:55:35 I'm not trying it with the device connected Oct 31 20:56:35 jacekowski claims to have been there, done that Oct 31 20:56:42 so share it Oct 31 20:57:04 sudo flasher-3.5 -c -F Desktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -h RX-51:2101 Oct 31 20:57:39 then you probably need to add -U, --usb-device=ARG Specify USB device to use (bus:device address), and I guess that's it Oct 31 20:57:42 * MohammadAG pokes jacekowski Oct 31 20:57:56 yeah, handwaving Oct 31 20:58:11 here you go Oct 31 20:58:12 Using serial port usb Oct 31 20:58:12 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Oct 31 20:58:12 ^C Oct 31 20:58:12 mohammad@mohammad-i5laptop:~$ sudo flasher-3.5 -c -F Desktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -h RX-51:2101 --serial-port=usb Oct 31 20:58:22 that should work ^ Oct 31 21:00:28 I'm gonna flash PR1.3 image from 1.2. Is it still recommended to flash emmc as well? Oct 31 21:00:40 it was never recommended Oct 31 21:00:44 okay ty Oct 31 21:01:05 * MohammadAG dispatches a team of highly trained monkeys to fix maemo.org - it works for google... Oct 31 21:01:40 just another example of Nokia leaving community on their own by not disclosing elementary info and thus up to geeks to brick their devices on trying to RE Oct 31 21:02:28 (coldflash) Oct 31 21:02:51 An annoying PITA! Oct 31 21:04:06 just one sentence in flasher manpage/README: clodflash is to [recover NOLO via USB | flash NOLO witha special jig] Oct 31 21:04:33 DAMN NOKIA, IS IT THAT HARD???? Oct 31 21:06:32 DocScrutinizer51: cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 Oct 31 21:06:46 but you can coldflash even with working nolo Oct 31 21:06:51 see, jacekowski claims even OMAP2 as in N8x0 can do coldflash via USB (AIUI) - yet there's not a single report in the internets about anybody ever did it Oct 31 21:07:11 that could have saved my N800 :( Oct 31 21:07:21 DocScrutinizer51: i'm not claiming that omap2 can do coldflash Oct 31 21:07:25 * b-man` nuked nolo had had a dead n800 Oct 31 21:07:57 i'm claiming that omap2 based rapuyama can be flashed even if firmware is not flashed correctly Oct 31 21:09:00 MohammadAG: coldflash only works on linux ( windows is too slow to enumerate device ) Oct 31 21:09:04 jacekowski: so pretty please could you write up a terse wikipage with byte/char-precise detail on what you tested to work, what you think should work, and what you know can't work. And how Oct 31 21:09:29 jacekowski, I'm on linux, sure that was @ me? Oct 31 21:09:41 MohammadAG: ok, what you have to do now Oct 31 21:09:50 MohammadAG: is get correct usb device id Oct 31 21:09:55 my device isn't dead :) Oct 31 21:10:04 you can still coldflash it Oct 31 21:10:04 I was just trying to find the steps needed Oct 31 21:10:13 I'm not flashing it to see if cold flash works Oct 31 21:10:25 flashing is a PITA, too many customizations Oct 31 21:10:31 as far as noticed coldflash isn't really flashing it Oct 31 21:10:39 jacekowski: we all are just wild guessing, and gambling with our precious N900 :-D Oct 31 21:10:43 it's flashing the bootloader? Oct 31 21:10:47 it's just booting nolo Oct 31 21:10:55 at least it looks like that's all it does Oct 31 21:10:56 hmm Oct 31 21:11:05 makes sense, as it only asked for a 2nd image Oct 31 21:11:10 i mean if you run coldflash command with minimum required parameters Oct 31 21:11:18 it only boots phone with nolo running Oct 31 21:11:31 and then if you disconnect it and try to power up it's still dead Oct 31 21:11:33 how do I get to the serial console, without a serial cable Oct 31 21:11:39 so 2nd image is flashed by RAMed NOLO Oct 31 21:11:42 wait what? Oct 31 21:11:43 ? Oct 31 21:11:43 you can't Oct 31 21:11:51 DocScrutinizer: that's how it looks Oct 31 21:11:58 it's only booting NOLO off of RAM? Oct 31 21:12:14 jacekowski, so how do you flash it? Oct 31 21:12:25 with normal flash command Oct 31 21:12:25 a cmdline please Oct 31 21:12:31 give me a sec Oct 31 21:12:34 i'll boot linux Oct 31 21:14:32 jacekowski: there are other poor guys occasionally crashing their NOLO and urban legend even from gurus is "take it to Nokia care, there's no way to flash new NOLO without a jig" Oct 31 21:14:53 DocScrutinizer: switch off your phone Oct 31 21:15:00 DocScrutinizer: open device manager Oct 31 21:15:01 and look Oct 31 21:15:12 you will see device called nokia boot rom for a second Oct 31 21:15:46 wtf is device manager? Oct 31 21:15:48 i mean when you start phone Oct 31 21:15:54 on windows Oct 31 21:15:58 that thing with all devices Oct 31 21:15:58 DUH! Oct 31 21:16:05 on linux it will go to dmesg Oct 31 21:16:16 now we're talking Oct 31 21:16:43 hmmm Oct 31 21:16:53 i'm not sure where is my fiasco image Oct 31 21:17:18 ok Oct 31 21:17:19 found it Oct 31 21:17:24 ok, first part was easy :-P Oct 31 21:18:47 Oct 31 22:12:55 halley kernel: [3385404.507462] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=34, Product=38, SerialNumber=0 Oct 31 21:18:48 Oct 31 22:12:55 halley kernel: [3385404.507483] usb 1-1: Product: Nokia USB ROM Oct 31 21:19:09 actually 2nd part was similarly easy Oct 31 21:19:14 :-D Oct 31 21:19:26 that device is there only for a second or so Oct 31 21:19:33 because after that nolo boots Oct 31 21:19:38 or phone shuts down Oct 31 21:19:44 i think it shuts down Oct 31 21:19:46 yep, is immediately replaced by ass rage dev Oct 31 21:19:46 or does something else Oct 31 21:20:32 Oct 31 22:12:56 halley kernel: [3385405.809781] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=5 Oct 31 21:20:33 Oct 31 22:12:56 halley kernel: [3385405.809800] usb 1-1: Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) Oct 31 21:21:06 Oct 31 22:13:07 halley kernel: [3385417.331425] usb 1-1: New USB device strings: Mfr=1, Product=2, SerialNumber=3 Oct 31 21:21:07 Oct 31 22:13:07 halley kernel: [3385417.331444] usb 1-1: Product: N900 (Storage Mode) Oct 31 21:22:51 jacekowski: so I gather you invoke flasher with a NOLO to RAMload, a 2nd img NOLO and xloader to get flashed to NAND by RAMloaded NOLO, plus the -coldflash parameter? Oct 31 21:23:06 then plug in powered down N900 Oct 31 21:24:24 Nokia-N900:~# cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 Oct 31 21:24:24 cat: write error: No space left on device Oct 31 21:24:29 so that's first Oct 31 21:24:35 lol Oct 31 21:24:49 yeah, boot should fail epically Oct 31 21:25:06 nothing happens Oct 31 21:25:13 when i try to start it Oct 31 21:25:20 assuming mtd0 actually is NOLO partition Oct 31 21:26:23 it is Oct 31 21:26:54 dev: size erasesize name mtd0: 00020000 00020000 bootloader mtd1: 00060000 00020000 config mtd2: 00040000 00020000 log mtd3: 00200000 00020000 kernel mtd4: 00200000 00020000 initfs mtd5: 0fb40000 00020000 rootfs Oct 31 21:27:02 fine, so "nothing happens" is pretty much what describes N900 trying to boot with nuked NOLO Oct 31 21:27:02 hmm Oct 31 21:27:13 i think i broke it Oct 31 21:27:26 lol Oct 31 21:27:34 i doubt it Oct 31 21:28:17 easy Oct 31 21:28:22 take out battery Oct 31 21:28:26 execute cmd Oct 31 21:28:29 plug in n900 Oct 31 21:28:30 ok the light is green, flash it again? should i use the windows updater tool or debian with the image i have? Oct 31 21:28:35 shove battery in Oct 31 21:28:37 wileybd: yep Oct 31 21:28:40 debian Oct 31 21:28:42 ok Oct 31 21:29:05 use linux to flash, windows flasher is a PITA Oct 31 21:29:15 each one of the 7 different Oct 31 21:29:21 yeah Oct 31 21:29:23 it's working Oct 31 21:29:28 i think it needs more time Oct 31 21:29:31 without battery Oct 31 21:29:32 \o/ Oct 31 21:29:34 to fully switch off Oct 31 21:29:36 yeah Oct 31 21:29:49 im going reinsert the battery, hold u, at the same time plug in the usb cable and then release when i see the usb icon, but before all of this i will start the flasher command Oct 31 21:29:59 5 row keyboard... 5 freakin rows... http://fs01.androidpit.info/userfiles/30778/image/pics/samsung_epic_4g_2.jpg can we take the android hardware drivers and boot maemo on that? Oct 31 21:29:59 actually, with a broken kernel, you can keep the device on without a battery Oct 31 21:30:00 i suppose when it's dead without bootloader it takes couple seconds to discharge caps Oct 31 21:30:19 im starting flasher like this Oct 31 21:30:21 flasher-3.5 -F ./RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Oct 31 21:30:24 LAdies and Gentlemen, you all witnessed a resurrection Oct 31 21:30:40 Suitable USB device not found, waiting. Oct 31 21:30:41 of an N900, not a person Oct 31 21:30:57 wileybd, root? Oct 31 21:30:59 wileybd: please keep it for 5min more Oct 31 21:31:03 and plug in the N900 Oct 31 21:31:22 we're all attending a miracle Oct 31 21:31:33 brought to us courtesy jacekowski Oct 31 21:31:45 and a properly undocumented flasher Oct 31 21:31:49 Sending and flashing rootfs image (185728 kB).. Oct 31 21:31:54 jacekowski: bother to c&p the cmdline? Oct 31 21:31:58 Erasing CMT: 54% Oct 31 21:32:04 DocScrutinizer: i was doing it on my linux laptop Oct 31 21:32:09 and wifi decided to die Oct 31 21:32:15 so one second Oct 31 21:32:25 yes im running that flasher app as root Oct 31 21:32:31 i'll have to retype it Oct 31 21:32:33 wileybd: please keep it for 5min more Oct 31 21:32:47 5 min more ? you mean when it says its done Oct 31 21:32:48 ? Oct 31 21:32:56 I mean stfu Oct 31 21:32:59 no, just disconnect it when it's done Oct 31 21:33:08 lol DocScrutinizer temper :P Oct 31 21:33:10 flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin......... -s secondary.bin...... -S usb Oct 31 21:33:20 CMT flashed successfully Oct 31 21:33:22 -S usb is very important Oct 31 21:33:27 ive pulled the usb cable Oct 31 21:33:28 otherwise it will try to use serial port Oct 31 21:33:31 off of the n900 Oct 31 21:33:33 yeah, as i said above Oct 31 21:33:41 --serial-port=usb Oct 31 21:33:49 dude wtf? Oct 31 21:34:18 DocScrutinizer: have no mercy Oct 31 21:34:24 :-) Oct 31 21:34:40 jacekowski: ok once again for clarity Oct 31 21:34:54 nuke bootloader Oct 31 21:35:06 Nokia-N900:~# cat /dev/zero > /dev/mtd0 Oct 31 21:35:09 Any tips on where to dl maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb ( http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php out of order )? Oct 31 21:35:13 cat: write error: No space left on device Oct 31 21:35:14 flasher-3.5 -c -h -2 -s Oct 31 21:35:28 ok Oct 31 21:35:30 one second Oct 31 21:35:38 DocScrutinizer, unpack your fiasco with -u Oct 31 21:35:40 i think it's problem with killswitch Oct 31 21:35:42 and unquiet the guy Oct 31 21:35:50 yep Oct 31 21:35:58 sorry Oct 31 21:36:12 ty, i have no idea why you did that Oct 31 21:36:26 because jacekowski wasn't finished Oct 31 21:36:36 this isn't #jacekowski Oct 31 21:36:43 with all respect to both of you Oct 31 21:36:47 and wileybd can wait another 5 min Oct 31 21:36:58 let him talk Oct 31 21:36:58 MohammadAG51: do you know a mirror URL for SDK packages? It's still down and I really want that libqt package. :| Oct 31 21:37:01 no im still laughing on the stfu Oct 31 21:37:08 i'll finish talking when i'll get my wifi working Oct 31 21:37:23 k, up to you. Oct 31 21:37:33 Aranel, mirror's dead Oct 31 21:37:38 * DocScrutinizer hands a cookie to wileybd Oct 31 21:37:53 you all need a better hobby Oct 31 21:37:57 may I suggest knitting Oct 31 21:38:03 thanks Oct 31 21:38:10 ok Oct 31 21:38:13 working Oct 31 21:38:16 so first Oct 31 21:38:16 My hobby is burning stuff I find around the garden. Oct 31 21:38:19 i knew i should have left this thing alone Oct 31 21:38:22 nuke nolo Oct 31 21:38:25 * DocScrutinizer decides staling Myrtti is even nicer than knitting Oct 31 21:38:26 Myrtti, how old are you to suggest knitting? :P Oct 31 21:38:32 To quote Buffy. 'Fire Pretty'. Oct 31 21:38:32 stalking even Oct 31 21:38:39 then start linux PC Oct 31 21:38:48 MohammadAG51: too old for you Oct 31 21:38:53 ( it's not going to work on windows without lot of struggle ) Oct 31 21:39:02 download fiasco image Oct 31 21:39:03 Myrtti, lol, wasn't my point anyways Oct 31 21:39:06 unpack it Oct 31 21:39:16 flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u Oct 31 21:39:27 disconnect phone Oct 31 21:39:29 remove battery Oct 31 21:39:33 Myrtti, and #maemo's a geek channel, knitting is an insult :P Oct 31 21:39:48 and then Oct 31 21:39:50 flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb Oct 31 21:39:59 Knitting is very geeky. Oct 31 21:40:08 then connect phone via usb Oct 31 21:40:11 MohammadAG51: I'm not the only one who does knitting, and I've also asked and begged for a knitting pattern app for Maemo since age immemorial Oct 31 21:40:14 when you code an app to do it for you :P Oct 31 21:40:26 plug in the battery Oct 31 21:40:31 and you're done Oct 31 21:40:37 now you can flash it Oct 31 21:40:42 with normal image Oct 31 21:40:43 Myrtti, pattern app? how would that work? Oct 31 21:41:27 http://pastebin.com/ESJuhqMx Oct 31 21:41:56 jacekowski: thanks a million. As this time Myrtti decided to assist MohammadAG51 in spoiling irclogs with discussions about crack and knitting so there's still no proper URL pointing to a clear step by stef instruction, I'll summarize on wiki what you said Oct 31 21:42:02 MohammadAG51: a bit like xournal did on Diablo, but not quite. There is an app for Android for designing patterns called "Little Knitter" - basically it's a grid that you can fill with different symbols Oct 31 21:42:48 DocScrutinizer: a wiki page is better for such stuff anyway than an IRC log... Oct 31 21:43:13 DocScrutinizer: of course device id will be different for some phones Oct 31 21:43:18 Myrtti: so I suggest YOU do it then :-D Oct 31 21:43:21 DocScrutinizer: and image will have to be different Oct 31 21:43:24 DocScrutinizer, sorry, but this isn't a two person channel :P Oct 31 21:43:45 DocScrutinizer: but i think majority is 2101 Oct 31 21:44:05 oh and DocScrutinizer, cat .xchat2/xchatlogs/Freenode-#maemo.log | tail -50 | grep jacekowski on your N900 Oct 31 21:44:12 still flashing those circles back and fourth does that sound correct? Oct 31 21:44:18 wileybd: yes Oct 31 21:44:22 DocScrutinizer: I've had my bit with the maemo wiki, I'd rather not touch it, I'd get hives Oct 31 21:44:24 wileybd: it will take couple minutes Oct 31 21:44:36 Anybody with maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb on the machine able to share it? Oct 31 21:44:50 ClaesBas: i think i have something Oct 31 21:44:56 ok Oct 31 21:45:07 ClaesBas: yep Oct 31 21:45:20 reminds me of fsck on a 20tb flash drive :) Oct 31 21:45:27 jacekowski: Could you share it? Oct 31 21:45:31 just a se Oct 31 21:45:33 sec Oct 31 21:45:47 wileybd: it might be correct, might also indicate you should do a full reflash, first vanilla then combined img Oct 31 21:46:06 as odds are it tries to optify and has IO errors on eMMC Oct 31 21:46:12 ClaesBas: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb Oct 31 21:46:21 thats what im thinking because i let sit earlier like this for a few hours Oct 31 21:46:51 jacekowski: 1000 thanks! Oct 31 21:46:52 kernel needs a hold f for framebuffer patch Oct 31 21:46:53 ill read up on how to do that Oct 31 21:47:17 ~flashing Oct 31 21:47:17 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Oct 31 21:47:25 DocScrutinizer: just make sure to add not that it will have problems on windows Oct 31 21:47:30 you need the image, which is on a site that's down Oct 31 21:47:42 ffs Nokia, get your shit together and buy new servers Oct 31 21:47:59 ACK Oct 31 21:47:59 or make the images redistributable Oct 31 21:48:07 ACK again Oct 31 21:48:22 well dam i figured that was one the entire reasons they would use linux Oct 31 21:48:31 s/not/note/ Oct 31 21:48:33 jacekowski meant: DocScrutinizer: just make sure to add note that it will have problems on windows Oct 31 21:48:59 hey, monday is holiday. So it's pretty clear thy spoiled it on Friday. They always do on long weekends so impact is maximized Oct 31 21:49:13 lol Oct 31 21:49:30 DocScrutinizer, deop ;) Oct 31 21:49:46 thnx Oct 31 21:49:55 yw Oct 31 21:50:06 * MohammadAG51 stabs ChanServ, deop Oct 31 21:50:19 MohammadAG51: let me count how many times I've asked and begged for that kind of app for linux... looks like three times in 2 years Oct 31 21:50:53 ~coldflash Oct 31 21:50:54 not enough coders who understand knitting :P Oct 31 21:51:02 ok so i still have to wait to grab the base vannilla image Oct 31 21:51:09 is bla bka Oct 31 21:51:26 MohammadAG51: I guess Android has more coders then... how come they've got several knitting related apps? Oct 31 21:51:28 MohammadAG51: do you have copy of it? Oct 31 21:51:32 MohammadAG51: emmc image? Oct 31 21:51:48 yes, i think Oct 31 21:51:49 yeah, share it to wileybd Oct 31 21:51:53 and yes, that actually was a rhetoric and BITTER question Oct 31 21:51:59 up it to my server Oct 31 21:52:01 wileybd crosses his fingers Oct 31 21:52:43 at this point i dont even care about md5 sum matches :) Oct 31 21:52:44 Myrtti: answer: $0.79 Oct 31 21:53:09 i just need to make a call and i lost my red box back in1995 Oct 31 21:53:36 hmm, i'm dead if someone sees me awake :P Oct 31 21:53:44 DocScrutinizer: LittleKnitter is free?! Oct 31 21:54:01 knitting is little bit girlish Oct 31 21:54:22 sure, there's a paid version for ~$3.20 but still Oct 31 21:54:22 Myrtti: sorry no clue, but I bet there's a zillion way to make money with a proper shop Oct 31 21:54:29 see? Oct 31 21:54:40 jacekowski: and my father taught me how to knit Oct 31 21:54:59 Myrtti: blame OVI Oct 31 21:55:14 jacekowski: he donates a bin bag full of toddler sized socks to the local kindergarten every year... Oct 31 21:55:47 wool socks? Oct 31 21:55:50 i hated them Oct 31 21:56:10 oh YESSS Oct 31 21:56:11 jacekowski, pass over PM again? Oct 31 21:56:23 MohammadAG51: i don't remember it Oct 31 21:56:26 give me a sec Oct 31 21:56:48 change it then :P Oct 31 21:56:52 I could've lived with Xournal but when I last tried it on scratchboxed Maemo 5 it didn't actually do anything a knitter would need it to do Oct 31 21:57:03 so I was happy with my N800 Oct 31 21:57:05 anyway Oct 31 21:58:02 ./Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 31 21:58:19 * DocScrutinizer heard of dudes going Dagobert Duck with 79ct apps on iStore Oct 31 21:58:20 WoL ftw Oct 31 21:58:40 ok Oct 31 22:00:21 when oh when will this shit show up on rapidshare? Oct 31 22:01:16 I'm a total share noob so don't point at me Oct 31 22:01:50 MohammadAG51 is that shared somhow and i was suppose to grab it? Oct 31 22:02:06 the ./Downloads/RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin i see above Oct 31 22:02:24 he's uploading it to me Oct 31 22:02:29 ah i see Oct 31 22:02:32 so you can download it from there when it's done Oct 31 22:02:43 from where? Oct 31 22:02:47 my server Oct 31 22:02:52 i just see ./Downloads path Oct 31 22:02:57 ah ok Oct 31 22:02:58 not uploaded yet Oct 31 22:03:09 i'll move it to jacekowski.org/maemo/binary/firmware/ Oct 31 22:03:11 when it's done Oct 31 22:03:18 i'll move it to maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ Oct 31 22:03:29 ah ok i thought it was some kind of old school dcc send command Oct 31 22:03:35 ETA is one hour Oct 31 22:03:38 nah, that's just one off Oct 31 22:03:47 FFS Oct 31 22:03:55 get you an internet! Oct 31 22:03:57 if he uploads it to my server more people can download it later Oct 31 22:04:03 67kbps upload speed grr Oct 31 22:04:13 i usually get +100 Oct 31 22:04:19 MohammadAG51: i can do more on my phone Oct 31 22:04:28 fucking broadcom driver support Oct 31 22:04:37 and it's wireless N... Oct 31 22:04:47 * DocScrutinizer grumbles about never having bothered to dl that shit Oct 31 22:05:12 i think i have pr1.2 emmc image somewhere Oct 31 22:05:19 DocScrutinizer, oh and it's 250MBs Oct 31 22:05:34 btw, that image is modified to be 3GBs for /home Oct 31 22:05:39 my box has a 1GB backbone Oct 31 22:05:43 used sed on it to reverse changes Oct 31 22:05:57 use* Oct 31 22:06:42 btw, if Nokia wants to sue me, i'm a minor, and your rules only apply when they're (the rules) are available to read Oct 31 22:06:57 X-P Oct 31 22:07:00 good night folks Oct 31 22:07:10 * DocScrutinizer cackles satanically Oct 31 22:07:21 night Myrtti Oct 31 22:07:52 Myrtti: o/ Oct 31 22:08:18 btw, *switches on racist mode* Oct 31 22:08:29 30MB lines are available in IL Oct 31 22:08:36 but they're for jews only Oct 31 22:08:47 sure thing Oct 31 22:08:56 that reminds me of video i saw Oct 31 22:09:00 and they cost a 100 per month Oct 31 22:09:08 fuck Oct 31 22:09:09 $ i think Oct 31 22:09:10 and stupid kids throwing eggs at cars Oct 31 22:09:17 in israel Oct 31 22:09:28 and one of these kids got ran over Oct 31 22:09:30 the guy who ran them over? Oct 31 22:09:43 i thought they were throwing rocks Oct 31 22:09:49 well, something round Oct 31 22:09:53 maybe rocks Oct 31 22:10:39 extremists exist on both sides Oct 31 22:10:40 I recall eggs being thrown at cars somehwre Oct 31 22:10:48 wipe those out, and you get a happy life Oct 31 22:11:00 hey im trying to install sdk but http://repository.maemo.org/unstable/fremantle/i386/maemo-sdk-rootstrap_5.0_i386.tgz isnt there, is there some new link? im following the wiki but that link dont work Oct 31 22:11:01 so what you think about virgins after death? Oct 31 22:11:29 err? Oct 31 22:11:29 /join #defocus ! Oct 31 22:11:53 ALoGeNo, topic Oct 31 22:11:55 nevermind Oct 31 22:12:09 ALoGeNo: /topic ! Oct 31 22:13:05 ALoGeNo: odds are it gets fixed on tuesday Oct 31 22:13:52 or tmrw Oct 31 22:14:13 tomorrow is holiday in catholic european countries Oct 31 22:14:21 meh! Oct 31 22:14:27 thank you very much DocScrutinizer and MohammadAG51 :) Oct 31 22:14:50 [2010-10-31 22:44:20] hey, monday is holiday. So it's pretty clear thy spoiled it on Friday. They always do on long weekends so impact is maximized Oct 31 22:14:59 why isn't maemo run by jews? Oct 31 22:15:33 because angry birds isn't kosher Oct 31 22:15:46 epic reply Oct 31 22:15:50 xD Oct 31 22:15:57 that is the problem ( repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause) no? Oct 31 22:16:12 yep Oct 31 22:16:15 thank you guys Oct 31 22:16:28 yw :) Oct 31 22:16:40 :) Oct 31 22:17:34 I seem to remember a similar opportunity where they messes up everything just before evrybody went on holidays for a week Oct 31 22:17:39 maybe last xmas Oct 31 22:17:45 or easter? Oct 31 22:17:56 xmas i think Oct 31 22:18:08 i wasn't here though Oct 31 22:19:24 yes, was xmas. Now I seem to recall a rant of mine "how COULD they?? All the guys unpacking their devices under the tree, then screwed as repos are down til new year" Oct 31 22:19:36 25 percent uploaded Oct 31 22:19:46 http://www.metacafe.com/watch/yt-Hd755bbc8uw/wile_e_coyote_fail_vs_epic_fail/ Oct 31 22:21:08 off to bed Oct 31 22:21:33 i'll keep scp running jacekowski Oct 31 22:22:02 * Change theme from Classic | Add stuff Oct 31 22:22:02 Menu Oct 31 22:22:02 Home Oct 31 22:22:02 Top Stories Oct 31 22:22:02 Weather Oct 31 22:23:07 night peeps Oct 31 22:23:19 night thanks for the help Oct 31 22:23:43 MohammadAG51: just paste md5sum of it Oct 31 22:31:19 hehehe Oct 31 22:36:49 http://www.torrentdownloads.net/searches/RX+51+2009SE+1+2009+41+1+VANILLA+PR+EMMC+MR0+ARM Oct 31 22:37:45 i tried isohunt and found nothing Oct 31 22:38:13 actually the file sizes are insane Oct 31 22:38:38 nice Oct 31 22:38:48 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin looks a bit different Oct 31 22:39:01 wait for MohammadAG51 to finish with his upload Oct 31 22:39:04 one says 1.3 gb Oct 31 22:39:23 might be raw disk images Oct 31 22:39:28 -rw-r--r-- 1 mohammadag users 126697472 Oct 31 23:34 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 31 22:39:34 half is already there Oct 31 22:40:05 cool Oct 31 22:40:15 just moh more than half gone, regarding md5sum Oct 31 22:40:35 I'd not bother too much bout md5 Oct 31 22:44:34 I was trying to debug this weird deauth problem with my n900 Oct 31 22:44:37 how to find out which exact qt and qtm versions are on device Oct 31 22:45:14 wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and ommit the -R. Then remove battery, prepare VANILLA flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' Oct 31 22:45:17 suddenly WLAN became very unreliable, even with battery saving off Oct 31 22:45:29 I just unplug my WLAN ipcam Oct 31 22:45:35 will do Oct 31 22:45:36 and now it works well again.... Oct 31 22:45:42 hmm i'm just thinking Oct 31 22:45:47 s/remove/remove and re-insert/ Oct 31 22:45:47 DocScrutinizer meant: wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and ommit the -R. Then remove and re-insert battery, prepare VANILLA flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' Oct 31 22:45:51 *unplugged Oct 31 22:45:53 that it looks like that white LED Oct 31 22:45:57 when phone is switching on Oct 31 22:46:01 when you press button Oct 31 22:46:08 isn't done by nolo 2nd Oct 31 22:46:14 it's done by 1st stage Oct 31 22:46:19 ok Oct 31 22:46:43 dolp, apt-cache policy? Oct 31 22:46:58 err damn Oct 31 22:47:09 * nox- gets 4.7.0-git20100909... Oct 31 22:47:29 wileybd: make sure you flash VANILLA *first* (no matter what recommendations you read elsewhere), and omit the -R. Then remove & insert battery, prepare COMBINED flasher, and plug in USB while holding 'u' Oct 31 22:48:30 jacekowski: :-o Oct 31 22:48:40 so i remove and reinsert the battery for each one i image to it Oct 31 22:48:47 no prob Oct 31 22:50:08 so i really havent had time to keep up with the n900 stuff i know i just wanted one but is the meego stuff better then maemo at all? Oct 31 22:50:28 or is it along ways away Oct 31 22:51:34 meego as a polished phone OS - or even a releasable one - is some ways off. Oct 31 22:51:46 I would be surpirsed to see it polished before august. Oct 31 22:51:55 ok Oct 31 22:52:01 Maybe it may be released before then - who knows. Oct 31 22:52:14 * SpeedEvil points to #meego Oct 31 22:52:26 well i need to do the candy thing so when i get back i guess ill try to download the vanilla image Oct 31 22:52:48 "polished" as maemo was prior to release? Oct 31 22:55:41 Great Depression Cooking: Egg Drop Soup http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yREFkmrrYiw Oct 31 22:57:36 maemo 5 was not publically developed AIUI Oct 31 22:57:51 -rw-r--r-- 1 mohammadag users 190365696 Oct 31 23:53 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Oct 31 22:58:07 we shoudl work on hacking android drivers to work with linux kernel Oct 31 22:58:13 then run linux on popular phones Oct 31 22:58:20 android is linux based Oct 31 22:58:20 and world domination Oct 31 22:58:23 right Oct 31 22:58:24 andoid is a linux Oct 31 22:58:41 so for an android camera driver, expose a v4l interface Oct 31 22:58:56 for accelerometer, a joystick interface Oct 31 22:58:57 etc Oct 31 22:59:21 boot linux, run linux apps, run android apps, run maemo apps Oct 31 22:59:38 on hardware that starts at $150 Oct 31 22:59:46 god i dont like qt mobility :D Oct 31 22:59:48 $150? Oct 31 22:59:51 Android is to normal linux as frankenstein is to Michael Jordan. Oct 31 22:59:58 SpeedEvil: not really Oct 31 23:00:05 SpeedEvil: it's almost normal linux kernel Oct 31 23:00:11 SpeedEvil: lot of stuff got merged to mainline Oct 31 23:00:23 yeah - I meant normal linux distributions. Oct 31 23:00:24 and stuff that didn't is implemented in mainline in some other way Oct 31 23:01:08 but there are still some differences Oct 31 23:02:09 HELP NEEDED! Topic USB: Assume we have a PHY connected via ULPI. Where and how is speed switching done? (LS/HS/FS). Is this a mere PHY thing, or is the "upper end" ULPI controller also involved? All pointers and small bits of info much appreciated. thank you Oct 31 23:03:11 asked overr on #edev? Sometimes people with a clue will pop up there Oct 31 23:05:17 DocScrutinizer: well, whole usb negotiation is done partialy in software as well Oct 31 23:05:27 i mean chirping and stuff Oct 31 23:05:59 i would bet it's more than just phy involved Oct 31 23:06:05 jacekowski: we have the problem how to switch to correct speed for hostmode Oct 31 23:06:12 with the friggin musb-core Oct 31 23:06:51 well, it's partialy phy Oct 31 23:07:00 as line states are different Oct 31 23:07:05 SpeedEvil: I dunno #edev. Maybe I should have a peek Oct 31 23:07:06 for different modes Oct 31 23:07:12 yes Oct 31 23:07:13 and then it uses chirping to go to FS Oct 31 23:07:15 known Oct 31 23:07:22 also ack Oct 31 23:07:33 HS i mean Oct 31 23:08:20 so you have your high state on one of lines to detect ls/fs Oct 31 23:08:22 is ULPI clock driven by PHY and musb_core just follows, or do we need to make sure musb-core has correct clock and logical protocol? Oct 31 23:09:35 dunno Oct 31 23:13:08 damn @ topic, I wanted to install sdk and adjust some widgets to my liking tomorrow :/ Oct 31 23:14:07 has anyone ever seen an issue where their device will longer display contact information while the phone's ringing or the call's in progress (and just shows the number the call's from), but then shows the correct info in the call log after the call? Oct 31 23:14:21 will no longer* Oct 31 23:21:04 ok Oct 31 23:21:08 wileybd: done Oct 31 23:21:28 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ Oct 31 23:22:05 hm is there any mirror of the extras repository anywhere? Oct 31 23:24:17 that's not bad idea Oct 31 23:24:28 when it comes back i'll start mirroring it Oct 31 23:24:47 I think this was discussed here already, but I missed the conclusion the last time, is it actually ok to mirror extras? Oct 31 23:34:37 jacekowski: please reread http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685367#post685367 and http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=685914#post685914. They still seem correct to the point, and comprehensive. Paul's method is implementing exactly that, for all I can tell Oct 31 23:36:38 * DocScrutinizer .oO(what does it tell there's only 6 rsp 15 thanks for useful post on a 95% implementation spec, while BS like "Can't wait to get my hands on it LULZ" get 30 thanks) Oct 31 23:39:19 yeah, there is one problem with that Oct 31 23:39:30 I don't understand a single word in the whole thing :P Oct 31 23:39:40 it doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation Oct 31 23:40:25 which is quite important bit Oct 31 23:40:32 i mean negotiation itself is simple Oct 31 23:40:50 it's how do you implement it in this hardware configuration which isn't really designed to work with hostmode at all Oct 31 23:41:52 i'm going to sleep before midnight today Oct 31 23:44:16 hi, my N800 is stuck in a reboot loop and I want to try flashing, but the nokia server where the flasher / firmware is hosted seems to be down, does anyone have a mirror? Oct 31 23:44:49 !flasher Oct 31 23:44:55 hm if anyone could explain me what the PHY stands for in the host mode discussion I would be glad Oct 31 23:44:56 hm Oct 31 23:44:58 ~flasher Oct 31 23:44:58 somebody said flasher was http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Oct 31 23:45:23 i just have a binary for it for ia32 linux Oct 31 23:46:05 pupnik, that would work fine Oct 31 23:47:04 merlin1991, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/PHY Oct 31 23:47:14 PHY = physical USB interface. Oct 31 23:47:45 It's the bit that speaks USB and connects to the external connector. It is talked to over the ULPI bus by the CPU Oct 31 23:48:34 I see, that stuff is way over my head Oct 31 23:51:50 anybody know why would a debian paclage, at install time, try to run an init.d script before finishing the installation of other package content that is mandatory for the script to run? Oct 31 23:51:58 * sivang is on the brink of insanity Oct 31 23:52:12 so- I have a pkg, that has a script, that imports a package Oct 31 23:52:14 (python) Oct 31 23:52:28 on install time, he install breaks sinc ehte pkg is not there yet Oct 31 23:52:38 on subsequent installs, it works, since the paclkage is already there Oct 31 23:52:45 I have no pre* scripts Oct 31 23:52:47 only postint\ Oct 31 23:52:58 anyone ran into something similar? Oct 31 23:54:42 nevermind, I found an old copy of the flasher and firmware I had lying around, these will have to do Oct 31 23:55:01 jacekowski: (it doesn't explain HighSpeed negotiation) that's exactly why I asked for help here :-D I simply have NFC how it works Nov 01 00:52:03 is the build server down? Nov 01 01:05:21 hm, I did an apt-get upgrade from the rootsh, and the update center still complains that I need to update to maemo 5 Nov 01 01:05:27 * rtyler wonders if he'll ever get to PR 1.3 Nov 01 01:06:42 istr mention of upgrade via apt being broken... Nov 01 01:06:51 so just try the program manager way Nov 01 01:07:05 I don't have a USB hookup to back up to Nov 01 01:07:09 or app manager or whatever its called Nov 01 01:07:21 you can backup to usd too Nov 01 01:07:27 microsd Nov 01 01:08:41 can I just not backup >_> Nov 01 01:09:01 if you prefer... :) Nov 01 01:10:19 ~pr1.3 Nov 01 01:10:19 pr1.3 is, like, the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Nov 01 01:10:48 hm Nov 01 01:11:33 rtyler, if it tells you to upgrade via pcsuite try again and look at `details' for the cause Nov 01 01:12:06 for /me it was perl which i just upgraded manually via apt-get install Nov 01 01:12:17 then it was happy Nov 01 01:18:42 "A federal spending surge of more than $20 billion for roads and bridges in President Barack Obama’s first stimulus has had no effect on local unemployment rates" http://www.thefreemanonline.org/columns/not-so-fast/stimulus-fail/# Nov 01 01:27:37 great.. maemo 5 sdk gui installer almost works Nov 01 01:28:28 * GeneralAntilles yawns Nov 01 01:39:47 /wc Nov 01 01:43:13 dun dun dun, rebooting Nov 01 01:45:59 rtyler, was you problem also perl? Nov 01 01:53:12 ok jacekowski i just got back so im grabbing it now Nov 01 01:53:17 thanks Nov 01 02:13:45 morning Nov 01 02:16:30 Morning? holly crap i better go to bed soon Nov 01 02:24:03 zzzZZZ Nov 01 02:25:25 so guys how is PR1.3? Nov 01 02:25:46 3d movement still sluggish to me Nov 01 02:25:59 flipping between apps still sluggish Nov 01 02:31:03 lolloo, bullet about to be lodge in your head, still slug... gish Nov 01 02:31:09 lodged* Nov 01 02:31:17 hehehe Nov 01 02:31:35 i mean its slow Nov 01 02:54:28 is it ok to update to PR1.3 through App manager? Nov 01 02:54:50 or is it better to Flash entirely Nov 01 02:54:53 ? Nov 01 02:56:11 using Vanilla is it better? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Nov 01 02:59:57 2010