**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 01 02:59:57 2010 Nov 01 03:20:20 hello Nov 01 03:21:13 jell-o Nov 01 03:23:06 lolloo, upgrading via appmanager worked for me at least (after manually upgrading perl) Nov 01 03:23:19 apt-get install perl Nov 01 03:23:20 i mean Nov 01 03:24:04 (it complained about perl when suggesting upgrading via pcsuite initially...) Nov 01 03:24:08 bbl Nov 01 03:25:52 do you still feel flipping through apps is still jerky? Nov 01 03:26:02 and pics too. Nov 01 03:34:03 does maemo have the squid proxy anywhere? i don't find it in extras/-testing/-devel Nov 01 03:34:12 i just find polipo Nov 01 03:37:19 nor meego has one Nov 01 03:37:22 hehehe Nov 01 03:37:50 :( Nov 01 03:38:07 use tor proxy Nov 01 03:38:15 no, that's not what i'm trying to do Nov 01 03:38:20 i'll just build it myself if i can Nov 01 03:38:45 what do you want to do? Nov 01 03:39:26 install squid Nov 01 03:39:32 why? Nov 01 03:39:38 personal reasons Nov 01 03:40:07 personal? Nov 01 03:40:09 any news on the repo? Nov 01 03:40:22 do you want to hack someone? Nov 01 03:40:24 that's what i said Nov 01 03:40:37 i said personal Nov 01 03:40:53 personal = bad things Nov 01 03:41:05 if you say so Nov 01 03:41:11 keep away from my phone Nov 01 04:00:48 Props to DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG51, jacekowski and everyone else who helped me, now i can have a few a bud lights and get ready for work at 6:00am get my n900 back, ah the power of open source! Nov 01 04:01:12 :) Nov 01 04:07:23 Oh SpeedEvil too he had some things to say as well! Nov 01 04:12:34 what about me?! Nov 01 04:13:08 dam i forgetting everyone here Nov 01 04:13:18 yeah, i told you about that one thing Nov 01 04:13:25 wileybd: time zones are fun. irssi shows me that you posted that 'ready for work' comment at 5:56am :) Nov 01 04:13:29 and Gorroth man you guys dont play around! Nov 01 04:13:37 i was lying Nov 01 04:13:39 i was never here Nov 01 04:13:46 :) Nov 01 04:14:03 nice! Nov 01 04:14:14 i was like who ? Nov 01 04:14:29 i know i had alot help but man Nov 01 04:14:47 oh well Gorroth as well! Nov 01 04:14:59 no, i was never here Nov 01 04:15:10 i was trying to figure what the hell did he help me with Nov 01 04:16:22 well anyhow this place is nice! Nov 01 04:16:55 timoph yeah work is going to suck tommorow Nov 01 04:17:42 get there and open the stupid cm synergy and look at the dam code changes and merges i get to do sounds like fun to me Nov 01 04:18:40 all i know is my phone is working and its fast now Nov 01 04:18:50 and i just grabbed my last beer Nov 01 04:19:10 :) Nov 01 04:19:55 "cm synergy"? what is that Nov 01 04:20:11 man, my n900 i still don't consider fast. not next to my nexus one Nov 01 04:31:27 cm synergy is just a complex software repository/configuration management tool that does all that fun stuff Nov 01 04:31:45 its a pain in the ass Nov 01 04:32:18 actually its called rational synergy now that ibm ownes it Nov 01 06:08:11 ..Well, that answers my question quite handily Nov 01 06:10:42 oh ya? Nov 01 06:11:05 Yea. Nov 01 06:11:23 Quote: "repository down since ~00:00 Oct 31. for unknown cause" Nov 01 06:11:37 hrm Nov 01 06:11:45 Ah, well, back to uploading packages to my own site I guess... Nov 01 06:11:53 :nod: Nov 01 06:12:09 i've been trying to upload for the past few hours as well Nov 01 06:12:29 guess i can stop trying Nov 01 06:12:45 i need to send my n900 in for repair tomorrow anyway Nov 01 06:12:51 probably won't ever see it again :( Nov 01 06:19:30 trip0: i need to send mine in a week from today Nov 01 06:19:35 (when i get back to .fi) Nov 01 06:22:32 timeless_mbp, what did you do to yours? Nov 01 06:22:39 my usb port fell off] Nov 01 06:22:40 :P Nov 01 06:22:46 it's been on permanent loan to a friend Nov 01 06:22:53 he attacked the usb port this time Nov 01 06:23:01 ahh Nov 01 06:23:04 he's also managed to do in the screen Nov 01 06:23:31 his timing sucked though, since he told me about the problem saturday night, and i flew to france sunday Nov 01 06:23:39 and he's traveling later in the week Nov 01 06:31:35 so, how was everyone's halloween? Nov 01 06:32:19 moo johnx, all Nov 01 06:32:24 m00f RST38h Nov 01 06:40:02 :D It worked! I now have two scripts: One, which takes a debian source package and makes .deb binary package, and another which uploads that file and the .changes file to my webserver! Nov 01 06:40:28 hmm I was about to upgrade to 1.3. Is the repo still down? Nov 01 06:44:23 looks like it still is down Nov 01 06:45:29 grr Nov 01 06:47:34 guess I'm partially lucky to not have migrated to PR1.3 during this time or I'd be stuck in the same boat as you :) Nov 01 06:48:06 or at least to those with half setup pr1.3 lol Nov 01 06:49:18 is the emmc vanilla the same version? Nov 01 06:49:45 dev nokia is down, I can't download any firmware either Nov 01 06:50:07 and yea, emmc's the same Nov 01 06:50:47 I'd upload the PR1.3 file for you guys, but I think I'd probably get grumped at for distributing copyrighted files or something like that... Nov 01 06:51:13 yeah i know, it's part of the agreement when dl Nov 01 06:51:31 i guess I gotta wait Nov 01 06:52:22 the leaked pr1.3 global firmware is the same as official release Nov 01 06:53:09 hm... checked the torrents? Nov 01 06:54:05 same md5sum should I add :) Nov 01 06:54:20 * slonopotamus yawns Nov 01 06:57:47 I have to say, -this- is the one problem I have with frigging eulas and such - it's free to download, but if the site goes down... everyone's out of luck. Contrast to all good old GPL software - mirrored in a dozen places, at least! Nov 01 07:00:07 Nov 01 07:00:38 this is not the only restraint maemo community and nokia's approach has been facing.. the rolling updates are not available to the public is another held back Nov 01 07:00:42 mmmm. mirrors.kernel.org is my favorite Nov 01 07:22:14 Quick question, guys. What's a good cli tool in Busybox for returning info on a PID? Like, if it's still running, what status, etc? Nov 01 07:22:39 is this a trick question? is there some reason ps doesn't work? Nov 01 07:22:54 ty Nov 01 07:22:58 :) Nov 01 07:23:05 isn't there pidof? Nov 01 07:23:07 opdf2: http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/firmware/ Nov 01 07:23:09 or pgrep? Nov 01 07:23:46 psycho_oreos, he asked about returning info on a PID, not returning the pid of a process Nov 01 07:24:06 johnx, oh *facepalms self* Nov 01 07:24:17 I cheated. I reread it :) Nov 01 07:24:21 Yea, I've got the PID... Now, what's the -right- way to go about extracting a line from ps? Nov 01 07:24:30 grep? Nov 01 07:24:39 ps | grep '^$pid' Nov 01 07:24:46 Bingo Nov 01 07:24:56 s/'/"/g Nov 01 07:24:56 johnx meant: ps | grep "^$pid" Nov 01 07:25:20 the ^ is for beginning of the line Nov 01 07:25:34 $pid as in the variable? Nov 01 07:25:38 Yea, I forgot which character Nov 01 07:25:43 did beginning of line Nov 01 07:25:59 psycho_oreos, heh. did I just screw that up Nov 01 07:26:00 ? Nov 01 07:26:31 Aand, it's actuaally "busybox ps | grep "^ $pid" Nov 01 07:26:40 johnx, no I don't know.. that command you just typed is completely new to me, normally I'd do ps| grep Nov 01 07:26:42 Note the space Nov 01 07:26:50 RobbieThe1st: a line? Nov 01 07:27:01 psycho_oreos, yeah, I meant $pid as in a variable Nov 01 07:27:13 johnx, again not sure lol Nov 01 07:27:15 meh Nov 01 07:27:20 ~messybox Nov 01 07:27:20 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Nov 01 07:27:30 if you don't match the beginning of the line with ^ there's a good chance that another number somewhere will happen to match your PID Nov 01 07:27:33 Doc busybox ps | grep "^ $pid" does what I want Nov 01 07:27:46 that's true Nov 01 07:27:46 ^^ exactly why I wanted that Nov 01 07:27:56 DocScrutinizer, thanks for causing infobot to spam the channel with things everyone here already knows. very helpful Nov 01 07:28:12 Also, any way to get any more info out of busybox? I get path and user currently Nov 01 07:28:54 RobbieThe1st, install a better version of ps :) Nov 01 07:29:09 `set' would have lots of environment variables I suppose predefined Nov 01 07:30:17 Yea, I suppose. My problem is that I'm running in a ramdisk, trying to use as few "extra" tools as possible. I have a problem in that, for some users of my software, gnu tar seems to "lock up", and never exit. Nov 01 07:30:41 damn, repositories always down :-( Nov 01 07:30:56 Creteil, it's only down when you need it Nov 01 07:34:03 quick Q: I have a "while [ -n "$(ps -e | grep $pid)" ]; do" Nov 01 07:34:24 What's the proper way to change the grep to use "^ $pid" instead of just $pid Nov 01 07:35:55 should be able to replace $pid with "^ $pid" directly Nov 01 07:36:14 also, I think ps and ps -e behave exactly the same on maemo busybox Nov 01 07:36:19 hm... doing something wrong here Nov 01 07:36:59 Yea, I think you are right there - 'ps -e' was part of some example, and it worked, so... Nov 01 07:38:07 ah, oops. two sets of "s :) Nov 01 07:38:23 uhm, take the outside ones off. shouldn't be necessary I think Nov 01 07:40:27 while [ -n '$(ps | grep "^ $pid")' ]; do echo 'test'; done works right Nov 01 07:40:41 without the ''s, it gives an error Nov 01 07:43:25 and there it is, right there in my favorite guide: http://tldp.org/LDP/abs/html/comparison-ops.html Nov 01 07:43:32 told me I should have used quotes ... Nov 01 07:44:55 yea Nov 01 07:45:12 to be honest, I use that guide too - I can't always find what I'm looking for though Nov 01 07:45:26 And, of course, ash/bash differences are a pain Nov 01 07:45:33 yeah Nov 01 07:45:42 I think it does an ok job of noting bashisms Nov 01 07:46:04 but still a pain Nov 01 07:54:38 Too bad the py2deb only works on the N900... I'd love to have it running on my Debian main boxc Nov 01 07:55:53 what's so special about the n900 that py2deb only works on it? Nov 01 07:56:41 Some library Nov 01 07:57:11 It requires python2.5-py2deb, which requires a couple of maemo packages... Nov 01 07:57:15 i want to run the old tie fighter video game on my n900 Nov 01 07:57:29 Do it? You've got dosbox Nov 01 07:57:36 hmmm, true Nov 01 07:58:33 ok, that's awesome... i need to see if i can get it working when i haven't had 3 glasses of wine and 2 beers Nov 01 07:59:18 (i was verbally abusive drunk neighbour for halloween, but it wasn't planned" Nov 01 07:59:19 But what's the fun in -that-? Nov 01 07:59:36 doing it sober? no challenge. Nov 01 07:59:49 i wrote a bit of code earlier Nov 01 08:00:07 i already have proven the ballmer peak Nov 01 08:01:33 and then rapidly degenerated to yelling 'developers' at strangers and throwing chairs? Nov 01 08:02:12 s/strangers/small children asking for candy/ Nov 01 08:02:54 myyh. my phone hasn't gone forward at all yet Nov 01 08:03:18 ah. right. you're still partying. Us here in the future are already getting ready for work :P Nov 01 08:03:35 1am... Nov 01 08:03:43 may I be the first sysadmin on here to say: Daylight savings is a *(&#$# nightmare Nov 01 08:04:10 ieatlint, somehow I thought you were in NZ or Oz Nov 01 08:05:08 ...WTH? Ok, so I made a .deb package. If I look inside it with ark, I see that I've got a data.tar.gz file, and inside it are my files. one of these is /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item. I install the package on my N900 with dpkg -i as root, and it installs "properly". The file is never created though Nov 01 08:05:10 if i were in nz or oz, it'd be after work Nov 01 08:05:19 hi there, anyone know why i cant sign in to my server with ssh pubkey auth from my n900? i get authentication failed although the private key's in ~/.ssh Nov 01 08:05:20 the dir's there.. Nov 01 08:05:27 it's 7pm in sydney Nov 01 08:05:41 9pm in wellington Nov 01 08:06:04 8am in london Nov 01 08:06:18 it's coffee o'clock in Finland Nov 01 08:06:35 ieatlint, ok. I might have killed too many braincells saturday Nov 01 08:07:04 http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1_all.deb is my deb. Can anyone see what's wrong with it? Nov 01 08:07:06 sounds like fun Nov 01 08:07:18 i'm out in california where the bars are still open for another hour Nov 01 08:07:20 alecjw, I recently found out that you might require a dss key, rsa won't do. or then it was something else. but it's worth trying out. Nov 01 08:07:30 Alecjw, check permissions on the keys Nov 01 08:07:30 (s/require/need/) Nov 01 08:07:40 and the local sports team just won an important game... woo, local sports team! Nov 01 08:08:19 alecjw, hm, actually, nevermind, this wasn't probably relevant :) Nov 01 08:08:41 ieatlint, did they rush more hoops than the other team? awesome Nov 01 08:09:05 no, it's lamer than basketball... it's baseball! Nov 01 08:09:32 flux, so it might work if i generate a different key with ssh-keygen? Nov 01 08:09:34 ah. I was going for a generic smattering of sports lingo Nov 01 08:09:57 johnx, should be 600 i assume? Nov 01 08:10:09 "hoops" was too specific i'm afraid Nov 01 08:10:10 Alecjw, that'd be good Nov 01 08:10:20 and authorized_keys probably shouldn't be writable by other Nov 01 08:13:33 hmm, ive lost read access to .ssh Nov 01 08:13:42 authorized_keys is typicallys 600 or 644 Nov 01 08:14:10 .ssh is typically 700 Nov 01 08:15:46 hmm, my permissions are right now... but still cant log in Nov 01 08:16:19 ah ill have to try it from another computer, see if its a key problem Nov 01 08:16:43 try on the client enabling as much verbosity as you can Nov 01 08:16:53 it will tell you if it rejects your key Nov 01 08:17:02 if it does, then you need to debug from the server side Nov 01 08:18:44 Hm... So, erm, I'm building my maemo package(it's a python script, so no actual compiling/arch=all) using "dpkg-buildpackage -B" from an amd64 Debian install. Is this wrong? Nov 01 08:19:36 I'm using: py2deb to make the source-package, then "dpkg-source -x ./file.dsc", cd into the directory, then run the dpkg-buildpackage command Nov 01 08:23:18 argh.. i think i broke my scratcbox again Nov 01 08:27:24 ieatlint, i'll have to try that tonight when i can get on to the server. thanks Nov 01 08:29:38 anyway im off now, bye all Nov 01 08:34:41 Anybody knows where desktop shortcuts are stored? Nov 01 08:36:33 zap: I believe in gconf or whatever Nov 01 08:36:51 hey guys how am i able to install moonlight in firefox Nov 01 08:36:57 so Nov 01 08:37:09 in kde4 what pkg have you got to add to get 'kate'? Nov 01 08:37:17 (on-topic-r-us) Nov 01 08:37:25 what distro? Nov 01 08:37:50 http://packages.ubuntu.com/lucid/kate maybe? Nov 01 08:38:44 anyone knows? Nov 01 08:38:55 zap: You can see references to their locations using: gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/applets Nov 01 08:39:10 zap: I'm guessing though, just got an N900 recently, still exploring :P Nov 01 08:39:11 user_, are you sure it's available for ARM? Nov 01 08:39:42 Hmm, it references the .desktop file directly Nov 01 08:39:45 zokier: danke schön! Nov 01 08:39:45 that idk but firefox linked me to it Nov 01 08:39:54 then why I'm getting a normal icon in app menu, and a blue square on the desktop... Nov 01 08:39:59 johnx: somebody did it Nov 01 08:40:04 johnx: what zokier said ;) Nov 01 08:40:08 johnx: in ubuntu Nov 01 08:40:47 tybollt, packages.ubuntu.com is good. so is apt-file search (you'll need to install apt-file first) Nov 01 08:41:29 in this case I was not aware "kate" was its own pacakge Nov 01 08:42:02 only 32/64 bit Nov 01 08:42:08 no amr sadly Nov 01 08:43:50 this sux no adobe or moonlight Nov 01 08:44:20 how ever can we keep this device updated Nov 01 08:44:21 user_: but I heard that MS is abandoning Silverlight themselves... Nov 01 08:44:42 that would be grea so whos the replacement Nov 01 08:44:49 HTML5 apparently Nov 01 08:44:56 i see Nov 01 08:45:10 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2010/11/01/mac_app_store/ <=== another turn of the toilet plunger Nov 01 08:45:14 and for a flash player? Nov 01 08:46:39 the galaxy s of samsung is android 2.1 rite is it updateavle to 2.2? Nov 01 08:46:41 RST38h, I suppose you're against linux package repositories too? Nov 01 08:46:53 updateable* Nov 01 08:46:59 hey... Nov 01 08:47:10 does nokia not provide -dbg packages for things? Nov 01 08:47:12 * timeless_mbp thought we did Nov 01 08:47:33 user_: how would we know if it is updateable? Nov 01 08:47:43 i might go over to android since there is more support forit Nov 01 08:47:51 just asking Nov 01 08:47:52 user_: good luck Nov 01 08:47:56 johnx: no, why? Nov 01 08:48:00 tybollt, ah, but you can feed apt-file a path like /usr/bin/kate and it will just go out and tell you what provides it. same with packages.ubuntu.com Nov 01 08:48:01 just asking Nov 01 08:48:08 someone might have it here Nov 01 08:48:31 RST38h, the mac app store is pretty darn close to any linux distros software repository, just with different rules about what can and can't be included Nov 01 08:48:42 or is it possible for n900 to install android 2.2? Nov 01 08:48:59 user_, google for nitdroid Nov 01 08:49:19 dunno what version of android it is. what did you need silverlight for though? Nov 01 08:49:48 silverlight link me automatic to moonlight Nov 01 08:50:03 I've seen Silverlight used in only one place, Ryanair destination map Nov 01 08:50:05 johnx: It is the rules and the exclusivity that I am cackling about Nov 01 08:50:07 but android have flash 10@support Nov 01 08:50:53 user_, ok. then you should go install android Nov 01 08:51:10 good moaning Nov 01 08:51:19 so this nitroid is same as android? Nov 01 08:52:01 RST38h, heh. I just think it's funny people are making such a big fuss about it when linux distros have been doing the same thing for more than a decade. of course apple gets to set the rules for its own repository. only makes sense Nov 01 08:54:01 johnx: once again, do not mix technologies and policies Nov 01 08:54:18 johnx: Yes, Debian official repos have got a lot of funny rules and limitations Nov 01 08:54:36 johnx: But there are unofficial repos that do not have these rules, and you can make your own easily Nov 01 08:54:59 Yea Nov 01 08:55:05 looks like apple will allow 'unofficial' apps on macs for the time being (through 10.7 at least) Nov 01 08:55:14 johnx: Yea, so it seems Nov 01 08:55:34 It's quite common to have the official Debian repos, and then a couple PPAs or other repos for the extra software you want. Nov 01 08:55:40 johnx: But my guess is they will close this loophole once their shiuny new "app store" gets off the ground Nov 01 08:56:05 Strange. A guy here tells me he updated to PR1.3 via App Manager without any "nokia PC suite" and without losing his rootfs. Was the PR1.3 updated in the meantime? Nov 01 08:56:33 zap: I have done the same Nov 01 08:56:33 zap, that's how I updated ... Nov 01 08:56:44 zap: apt-get upgrade and watch the blinkenlights Nov 01 08:56:58 strange Nov 01 08:57:02 hi guys, do u know Meego 1.1 Handset UX - Video player is built on top of which multimedia framework/library? Nov 01 08:57:02 RST38h, time will tell. I'm not going to run around screaming "the sky is falling" over something apple may or may not do 3-4 years from now Nov 01 08:57:13 I had to reflash the device, losing a lot of packages not from reps... Nov 01 08:57:15 It does not even appear to reflash anything important Nov 01 08:57:28 zap, did app manager tell you to reflash? Nov 01 08:57:36 and having to wait several hours for AppManager to download the old debs from extras & such Nov 01 08:57:55 johnx: app manager told me to launch "Nokia PC suite" on PC Nov 01 08:58:01 but I don't speak windows Nov 01 08:58:10 johnx: Well, as I am not using Apple products, I won't either. But hopefulyl you will forgive me for cackling at the events :) Nov 01 08:58:27 zap, if you looked at the 'problems' or 'installing' tab or whatever it would have told you what packages were conflicting that kept it from updating on the device Nov 01 08:58:48 johnx: And it will be 1-2 years, not 3-4, most likely Nov 01 08:59:03 I bet if they lock it down, it'll be 10.8 Nov 01 08:59:09 perhaps because I had debs not from repos? Nov 01 08:59:10 2-3 years between releases normally Nov 01 08:59:19 and 10.7 is most of a year out still Nov 01 08:59:35 zap, in my case I had installed a package that brought in lib-gles-1 which conflicted Nov 01 08:59:54 after removing that package and its dependencies, it let me install on the device Nov 01 09:00:07 Hrm, I don't think Apple have enought market share in the "PC" market to be able to pull that off. Nov 01 09:00:27 alterego, just like they didn't have the market share in the phone market to pull it off? ;) Nov 01 09:00:31 Unlike phone's I think laptops and desktops are easier for yuppies to move brand. Nov 01 09:00:36 Kinda funny really - I think BootCamp is the -most- used Mac app out there. Nov 01 09:00:44 Phone is different, it's new shiny. Nov 01 09:00:50 * johnx shrugs Nov 01 09:00:59 johnx: so, if the update deb finds some conflicting packages, it will propose you to reflash the whole device? Nov 01 09:01:20 if apple thinks it will sell more product, they'll keep 3rd party access. if they think it won't sell more product, they'll cut it out. simple as that Nov 01 09:01:25 johnx: figures :P Nov 01 09:01:26 zap, it seems like that Nov 01 09:01:35 apt-file Nov 01 09:01:35 The program 'apt-file' is currently not installed. To run 'apt-file' please ask your administrator to install the package 'apt-file' Nov 01 09:01:38 :D Nov 01 09:01:44 hmpf, is qtwrt still experimental? I thought it would be included in qt4.7 Nov 01 09:01:49 tybollt, heh :D Nov 01 09:02:04 so I'll just install that then Nov 01 09:02:17 didn't know about apt-file to be honest Nov 01 09:03:34 neither did I until maybe half a year ago :) Nov 01 09:03:50 too many commands to know all of them. just hang out on IRC and people point you at interesting stuff :) Nov 01 09:08:41 shrug Nov 01 09:08:56 Morning, all Nov 01 09:09:07 Jaffa, 'ello Nov 01 09:11:47 Hey guys, can anyone help me out building a .deb package from a source package? Nov 01 09:12:28 So, I have py2deb making source-package stuff(.dsc and the .tar.gz) but making that into a .deb... The autobuilder's down, so I need to make it myself Nov 01 09:12:49 RobbieThe1st, I believe pypackager is recommended over py2deb Nov 01 09:13:07 Not sure how to use that... Nov 01 09:13:17 RobbieThe1st, it's pretty much the same Nov 01 09:13:26 RobbieThe1st, regardless, don't change it now. Nov 01 09:13:28 just unpack the tar Nov 01 09:13:32 somewhere Nov 01 09:13:46 like, say dpkg-source -x ./file.dsc ./tmp Nov 01 09:13:49 ? Nov 01 09:14:08 RobbieThe1st, no, tar -xvf asdfasfd.tar.gz Nov 01 09:14:37 then do fakeroot debian/rules binary and you'll have a deb Nov 01 09:14:49 assuming you have armel sdk running Nov 01 09:15:20 That's the problem - I'm trying to build a system-independant binary(python script stuff) on an amd64 debian system Nov 01 09:16:04 RobbieThe1st, well it it's python, and you have architecture: all, you can build it on any system Nov 01 09:16:10 any system that has dpkg Nov 01 09:16:14 buildtools Nov 01 09:16:31 I (used) "dpkg-buildpackage -B" and it built the package. I use dpkg-i on my n900... it installs Nov 01 09:16:43 But, no new files exist Nov 01 09:16:53 The files are -in- myn package Nov 01 09:17:00 umm..? Nov 01 09:17:09 RobbieThe1st, you make the kind of sense that is not Nov 01 09:17:14 http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1_all.deb Nov 01 09:17:24 Sorry. I have that deb package. Nov 01 09:17:51 ok.. Nov 01 09:17:54 I copied it over to my N900, ran "sudo gainroot", "dpkg -i ./backupmenu_0.50-1_all.deb" Nov 01 09:17:59 and it does nothing? Nov 01 09:18:25 It says installing... complete(don't have exact message infront of me) Nov 01 09:18:52 py2deb is used, this is how you would do it: Nov 01 09:19:11 copy the files to their right place under, for example ./src/ Nov 01 09:19:24 edit the buildscript.py (or whatever you call it) Nov 01 09:19:29 Yea, I have that all working Nov 01 09:19:33 then Nov 01 09:19:40 run the buildscript Nov 01 09:19:46 then unpack the tar file Nov 01 09:19:51 I know that works because I uploaded previous sources to the extras-devel repo Nov 01 09:19:53 then do the buildpackage Nov 01 09:20:08 or debian/rules binary Nov 01 09:20:19 and that deb should work. Nov 01 09:20:30 That's what I did. Can you take a look at that .deb file? It seems to have all the files it should Nov 01 09:20:47 like, all the files in the data.tar.gz file..? Nov 01 09:20:48 ok, and the files are not copied to the places they should or..=? Nov 01 09:20:54 That's the problem Nov 01 09:21:22 RobbieThe1st, could you send me the tar.gz file? Nov 01 09:21:27 or upload somewhere Nov 01 09:21:39 dpkg says "preparing to replace backupmenu..." "unpacking replacement" "setting up backupmenu.." and sure Nov 01 09:23:08 http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1.tar.gz Nov 01 09:23:17 dsc file also: http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/BackupMenu/backupmenu_0.50-1.dsc Nov 01 09:23:39 The file in question - especially - is /etc/bootmenu.d/backupmenu.item Nov 01 09:23:50 It should be a one-line file Nov 01 09:25:38 RobbieThe1st, why is the line # mkdir -p "$(CURDIR)/debian/backupmenu/etc/bootmenu.d/" cpommented? Nov 01 09:26:13 in..? Nov 01 09:26:32 debian/rules Nov 01 09:26:42 No clue. I haven't touched that. Nov 01 09:26:46 oh.. ok Nov 01 09:26:50 oh well.. Nov 01 09:26:53 But that would explain something Nov 01 09:27:03 hmm Nov 01 09:27:28 after you do buildpackage, you can check under the debian folder if the files are where they should be. Nov 01 09:27:40 unde debian/backupmenu/ Nov 01 09:27:42 under Nov 01 09:28:20 Well, I'm not sure where it gets that either - the file should be in /etc/bootmenu.d/ - just like in the data.tar.gz Nov 01 09:28:30 oh my this 3 year old windows machine is really suffering when running a complete linux distro in virtualbox.. Nov 01 09:28:49 well, the whole source is copied to debian/backupmenu/ Nov 01 09:28:59 and there you should find the whole structure Nov 01 09:29:07 with ./usr/share and whatnot Nov 01 09:29:54 Hm... not there Nov 01 09:30:19 it's only there after you create a package., Nov 01 09:30:29 try running debian/rules binary Nov 01 09:32:12 Hm. Nov 01 09:32:36 I think I just found the problem - I noticed that that file was marked as a "configuration file" in debian/conffile Nov 01 09:33:06 I did a "apt-get remove --purge backupmenu" then dpkg -i ./backupmenu.deb... worked Nov 01 09:34:02 This brings up another question: how does it decide that something's a config file? Nov 01 09:34:22 yeah, the tar file looks sound.. Nov 01 09:34:27 here's some output: Nov 01 09:34:28 http://pastebin.com/LaDE4hGt Nov 01 09:35:23 thanks Nov 01 09:35:59 to check it it worked on the phone, just do ls -l /usr/share/backupmenu/ and see if the dates are current. Nov 01 09:36:02 dates on the files Nov 01 09:36:10 Yea Nov 01 09:37:06 In this case, I know it worked now - I'm guessing the problem was/is that that one file was a "configuration" file - and therefor not removed/overwritten with an install Nov 01 09:37:58 Anyway, it (more or less) works now, so thank Nov 01 09:38:01 *thanks a lot Nov 01 09:38:59 Is there a console command line utility to take a screenshot on the N900 ? Nov 01 09:44:57 X-Fade: ping Nov 01 09:45:27 EHLO Stskeeps Nov 01 09:45:35 ehlo Nov 01 09:48:50 Stskeeps: pong Nov 01 09:49:31 X-Fade: http://pastie.org/1263626 - bottom part is a little weird Nov 01 09:50:28 heh, that's a new one Nov 01 09:50:37 "!!!uboot-pr13 breaks the 3rd party package policy" Nov 01 09:50:59 Stskeeps: Yeah, well nobody normally gets messages like that. It is more of a debug for maemo.org people ;) Nov 01 09:51:20 Stskeeps: So I guess the text doesn't match what it used to be pre chinook time or so. Nov 01 09:58:10 anyone know a windows text editor that wont add ^m to lines. I need ot work on some stuff at work but when ever I do I have ot go back and remove all the crap windows adds to text files Nov 01 09:58:49 http://www.scintilla.org/SciTE.html andrewfblack Nov 01 09:58:55 thats what I use Nov 01 10:00:36 Or Geany Nov 01 10:01:00 thanks Nov 01 10:02:23 Appiah: any idea if I open some files already messed up in that then resave will it fix them? I noticed the window end of line code doesn't show in it Nov 01 10:02:41 X-Fade: so, any news on repositories Nov 01 10:03:01 no idea andrewfblack Nov 01 10:03:07 jacekowski: ? Nov 01 10:03:27 X-Fade: well, repositories were down yesterday Nov 01 10:03:45 X-Fade: what happened? Nov 01 10:04:28 jacekowski: We're waiting for the ISP to explain what happened. Some servers rebooted at least. Nov 01 10:04:41 X-Fade: do you have rsync or something? Nov 01 10:04:52 so i could easily get full copy of repository Nov 01 10:05:03 jacekowski: No. Nov 01 10:05:24 andrewfblack, I don't know what the other two recommended look like, but if you're just looking for a plain arse text editor like Notepad, check out Notepad++ in Unix mode. (and if you're working on code it does code highlighting) Nov 01 10:06:42 jacekowski: Akamai should cache the files, which it did. The problem was that the more dynamic files, didn't seem to get cached. Nov 01 10:07:19 jacekowski: So the debs for instance were available, but not dir listings or Packages files etc. Nov 01 10:07:21 Termana: thanks Nov 01 10:07:21 andrewfblack, "dos2unix" is an app to remove windows infection ;) Nov 01 10:07:41 lol Nov 01 10:07:55 --strip-unneeded ;) Nov 01 10:08:12 X-Fade: any plans to mirror this stuff in future? Nov 01 10:08:42 X-Fade: i could mirror it if you can provide some way of syncing it Nov 01 10:08:52 Quick question: I have a ash script with a loop: while [ -n '$(ps | grep "^ $pid")' ]; do <- it works on my debian box with busybox's ash, but when I actually run the script, it doesn't exit the loop when $pid exits Nov 01 10:09:21 jacekowski: No plans atm. Problem is that where the origin is located, I can't setup any sync. Nov 01 10:09:57 anyone knows where the code is that reacts on key presses on the desktop? (it starts the contact search) Nov 01 10:10:00 jacekowski, I suppose you could use some hack like apt-mirror :) that's what I've used Nov 01 10:10:16 jacekowski: So it needs quite some reorg/changes to get rsync access from outside. Nov 01 10:10:36 wget mirror is proably also possible ;) Nov 01 10:11:23 wget with lots of hacks.. might as well use the pre-made script, would save you heck alot of time trying to wring out every small little bug in custom wget command line Nov 01 10:11:37 hehe, yeah. Nov 01 10:16:02 are there instructions on how to install meego 1.1 on a pr 1.3 phone? i cant find any that are updated. and yes, i know it is not intended for end users but i dont use the n900 as a phone anymore just for testing my quassel stuff Nov 01 10:16:05 \o/ Nov 01 10:16:38 summel: wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/MMC is up to date. Nov 01 10:17:16 thx i try that then :) Nov 01 10:17:17 X-Fade: Presumably Nemein ticket #1546 is now in-progress (since no updates have come through since raising it) Nov 01 10:18:57 Stskeeps: but with these instructions i need a computer with the flasher to boot meego? Nov 01 10:19:12 summel: right, we're working on the dualboot still Nov 01 10:19:16 i just uploaded first piece of the puzzle Nov 01 10:19:27 i thought 1.3 had support for that Nov 01 10:19:27 :S Nov 01 10:19:36 i hoped it would wrk like nitdroid does atm :/ Nov 01 10:19:37 summel: newspapers says so much Nov 01 10:19:37 :P Nov 01 10:19:41 :D Nov 01 10:19:45 Termana: anyway to convert a file that already has windows crap in it to unix? Nov 01 10:19:53 so 1.3 was basically just a qt4 update? :S Nov 01 10:20:01 with a few small bugfixes Nov 01 10:20:15 none of which i ever noticed... but the important bugs are still there Nov 01 10:20:16 :S Nov 01 10:20:16 summel: long story short there was a change in kernel related to kexec, but we don't want to use kexec Nov 01 10:20:22 :D Nov 01 10:20:24 great Nov 01 10:20:33 so they added a feature that nobody wants to use Nov 01 10:20:36 yay for that :o Nov 01 10:20:40 did you see the dual boot video? Nov 01 10:20:45 lcuk: thanks need it on n900 lol screwed up a bunch of tempalte files at work maybe no one will update from devel lol Nov 01 10:21:08 summel: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=2PQDZypO-5Y Nov 01 10:21:20 Stskeeps: no, i only have dualboot with nitdroid atm Nov 01 10:21:43 where not everything works but the stuff that works works way better then on maemo Nov 01 10:21:44 :S Nov 01 10:21:58 and Nov 01 10:21:59 ? Nov 01 10:21:59 :P Nov 01 10:22:06 thats bad :S Nov 01 10:22:39 26.4 GiB will be downloaded into archive. Nov 01 10:22:49 that's more than i was expecting Nov 01 10:23:26 I'm happy that i can now lookup contacts in exchange that has other letters then a-z in their name Nov 01 10:23:28 maemo.org repo? wait.. I think you're referring to fremantle part lol Nov 01 10:23:39 that was a anoying bug for me Nov 01 10:23:59 psycho_oreos: full repo Nov 01 10:24:06 psycho_oreos: i mean extras + testing + devel Nov 01 10:24:11 just binary part Nov 01 10:24:18 jacekowski, nah the full repo isn't that small, its well beyond 60GB Nov 01 10:24:27 Stskeeps: i want it like they did in that video Nov 01 10:24:42 oh but that's still fremantle dist :) I thought you also meant stuff from bora, chinook, etc Nov 01 10:24:54 psycho_oreos: nah it's all Nov 01 10:25:39 jacekowski, yeah it shouldn't be that small afaik, its at least 60GB, I'll doublecheck with my old copy Nov 01 10:27:08 Stskeeps: so i just use -f instead of -l and then it would work? Nov 01 10:27:09 :o Nov 01 10:27:16 i dont the maemo anyways :o Nov 01 10:27:22 summel: i would advise against that Nov 01 10:27:29 hmk Nov 01 10:27:40 40M/s Nov 01 10:27:52 should be finished in couple minutes Nov 01 10:27:53 ah Nov 01 10:27:55 yeah Nov 01 10:27:59 it's only fremantle part Nov 01 10:28:09 I thought so lol Nov 01 10:28:42 hm the link on the video does not have any instructions at all :S Nov 01 10:29:08 summel: guess what we're working on Nov 01 10:29:24 :D Nov 01 10:29:35 so i just wait a few days then Nov 01 10:29:51 anyone knows if the n900-meego does support WPA2 networks? Nov 01 10:29:56 the netbook version doesnt :S Nov 01 10:30:11 lol 110.4GB sitting on my hard disk for entire maemo deb repo mirrored from: 18/07/10 Nov 01 10:30:53 summel, wpa2 is supported, afaik it just has problems with hidden ssid networks Nov 01 10:30:57 which need to die anyway Nov 01 10:31:09 nid0: wpa2 enterprise also? Nov 01 10:31:20 summel: yes Nov 01 10:31:24 yay Nov 01 10:31:31 summel: with bit of trickery Nov 01 10:31:37 i wonder why the netbook version doesnt :S Nov 01 10:31:41 somebody linked a program yesterday Nov 01 10:31:44 jacekowski: anything to read on that? :D Nov 01 10:31:45 ah ok Nov 01 10:31:49 i read the logs then Nov 01 10:31:54 or two days ago Nov 01 10:31:57 i compiled it for him Nov 01 10:32:00 qt based stuff Nov 01 10:32:22 maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/autoconnect Nov 01 10:32:32 sources are avaliable somewhere on internet Nov 01 10:32:35 thx :) Nov 01 10:36:40 Woodoo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64782 Nov 01 10:46:37 wazzzd Nov 01 11:23:44 hello everybody Nov 01 11:24:07 hi Nov 01 11:25:33 hey guys Nov 01 11:25:48 hey Nov 01 11:26:13 anyone know if theres an app which can perform actions like "activate wlan" based on celltower id? Nov 01 11:26:14 i'm havin a hard time updating updating nokia qt sdk :( Nov 01 11:26:16 sigh Nov 01 11:27:35 n900-space: what's the problem? Nov 01 11:28:01 well as i googled and found out my usual user on fedora 12 is not in the sudoers list Nov 01 11:28:03 was not Nov 01 11:28:11 SkyscraperN900: I dunno of any, but there is an app called AutoDisconnect which may be of help Nov 01 11:28:12 and now i added it using one help page Nov 01 11:28:25 n900-space: why do you want it to be? Nov 01 11:28:37 and now i have to download the whole ~500 mb again to update the qt creator and madde update that the sdk is showing Nov 01 11:29:16 venemo_n900 hm i want do disable wlan when not at home automatically because searching for wlans drains battery Nov 01 11:29:18 n900-space: for me, the updater could do the update on F13 Nov 01 11:29:29 Venemo_N900: i started the updater right, and after completely downloading it, it asked for my password and informed me that my user is not the in the sudoers list Nov 01 11:30:03 SkyscraperN900: ah. well there is wi-fi switcher, but it is not automatic Nov 01 11:30:06 i meant completely download the qt creator and madde update Nov 01 11:30:38 n900-space: well I installed the SDK as a normal user Nov 01 11:30:59 n900-space: and it did not require root permission when I updated it Nov 01 11:31:06 venemo_n900 yes. maybe i will start a new thread in forum... it should be possible to do it automatic by celltowerid? Nov 01 11:31:46 sdk installed for for too Venemo_N900, but the update asked for the password and that after completion, and it discarded all the download :o Nov 01 11:31:49 that was not gud Nov 01 11:31:59 all the download again on me slow internet Nov 01 11:32:00 SkyscraperN900: well if you know of an API or call that can detect the cell tower id (or even better, a dbus signal for it), then yes Nov 01 11:32:11 n900-space: huh... :( Nov 01 11:32:31 never thought, that i would ever look for a pdf2chm converter.. Nov 01 11:33:16 vdv: why are you looking for one? Nov 01 11:33:18 why vdv Nov 01 11:33:20 venemo_n900 theres an app called celltowerinfo which displays the id of the current "connected" celltower Nov 01 11:33:43 because i have a lot of pdf's with wide page format Nov 01 11:33:56 btw, does the name "MeeGo" have something with "me ego"? :) Nov 01 11:34:00 and there's no pdf reader for maemo which supports reflow Nov 01 11:34:10 hehe... zap .. i'm sure no Nov 01 11:34:23 SkyscraperN900: well it it is open source, then it should be fairly easy Nov 01 11:34:41 zap: old joke Nov 01 11:34:52 well, I haven't heard it ^_^ Nov 01 11:35:09 vdv: hm, does neither of them support it? hm. Nov 01 11:35:26 Venemo_N900, no Nov 01 11:35:38 vdv: :( Nov 01 11:36:07 zap: :D Nov 01 11:36:08 venemo_n900 dont know if its OS Nov 01 11:36:18 i've installed fbreader, it's cool, but it doesn't support pdf Nov 01 11:36:21 zap: first appeared when the name was announced Nov 01 11:36:58 SkyscraperN900: do a google search on the app Nov 01 11:36:59 so, reading pdf's on my n900 is very painfull at the moment Nov 01 11:37:30 SkyscraperN900: many apps for Maemo are OSS, but many of them don't emphasize this Nov 01 11:38:29 vdv: well, I rarely read pdfs on mine, so I can't give you an advice Nov 01 11:38:46 pdfs are not really meant to be reflowed, although it could be sometimes useful Nov 01 11:38:58 zokier: yeah Nov 01 11:39:15 * vdv is angry Nov 01 11:41:16 btw, this was the first weekend when I didn't bother to bring my laptop home with myself Nov 01 11:41:32 the N900 was a very capable computer replacement :) Nov 01 11:41:55 thats cool Nov 01 11:42:04 are your chatting on n900 right now? Nov 01 11:42:21 yes, that's why my name is postfixed with _N900 Nov 01 11:42:28 i c Nov 01 11:42:31 I'm on a train right now Nov 01 11:42:38 :) Nov 01 11:42:41 cool Nov 01 11:42:46 heading back to Budapest Nov 01 11:43:12 lol been there done that, I've tethered my n900 :p Nov 01 11:43:46 venemo_n900 https://garage.maemo.org/projects/celltowerinfo/ Nov 01 11:43:57 Venemo_N900: my fingers sometimes get tired of chatting on n900's keyboard, i wish i cud replace its tiny keyboard with the one with a bit softer touch Nov 01 11:44:33 SkyscraperN900: :) Nov 01 11:44:53 SkyscraperN900: please remind me once I get home :) Nov 01 11:45:12 n900-space: yeah. I only type with me thumbs on it Nov 01 11:45:14 venemo_n900 but theres no source ;( or i'm to idiot to find it xD Nov 01 11:45:22 me too Nov 01 11:45:38 are your using xchat Venemo_N900? Nov 01 11:46:02 n900-space: it needs some getting used to, but I can type on it almost as fast as on a laptop Nov 01 11:46:18 n900-space: no, I use communi Nov 01 11:46:42 SkyscraperN900: click on the scm tab Nov 01 11:46:50 my n900 has been away now for about a month :( .. i came back home after a contract ended, and my friend who has n97 wanted to experience n900, so i gave him for 2 weeks, and he posted gud review on it to my friends, and now another close friend said he wants it for a week too, and now he has it! Nov 01 11:46:51 n900-space: well, pidgin makes a quite feasible irc client too. Nov 01 11:46:54 i'm missing it so much Nov 01 11:47:06 i'm using xchat@n900-space Nov 01 11:47:31 :o ... i havnt used communi, Nov 01 11:47:34 venemo_n900 ah ok... need git for n900 lol Nov 01 11:47:42 * n900-space notes down what he has to download next Nov 01 11:47:53 xchat is so cool SkyscraperN900 Nov 01 11:48:13 n900-space i hate those colors Nov 01 11:48:29 I wonder if there is some way to enter Fn-Sym from a x11vnc session? Or somehow fix the keymaps that entering all symbols directly is feasible? Nov 01 11:48:34 you can edit them i guess Nov 01 11:48:40 n900-space: well mine was away for 2 weeks (on repair) Nov 01 11:49:11 n900-space: I was getting by with an N95+N810 combo Nov 01 11:49:27 n900-space: then they said they couldn't repair the N900... Nov 01 11:49:28 n95 for phone and n810 as a computer Nov 01 11:49:39 n900-space: so they replaced it with a new one Nov 01 11:49:45 awesome :) Nov 01 11:50:00 yacc can you use return key in x11vnc? Nov 01 11:51:18 n900-space: and the N810 was able to use the N95's data connection Nov 01 11:51:27 n900-space: how cool is that? Nov 01 11:51:35 venemo_n900 talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=739840&postcount=25 Nov 01 11:51:51 i know ! Nov 01 11:52:07 SkyscraperN900: could you paste this again prefixed with http:// ? Nov 01 11:52:17 SkyscraperN900: I can't click on it this way Nov 01 11:52:47 its was a remarkable thing by Nokia that they made these tablet products, turned out to be really gud for them Nov 01 11:53:01 n900-space: yeah Nov 01 11:53:09 venemo_n900 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=739840&postcount=25 Nov 01 11:53:15 and for us Nov 01 11:53:16 thx Nov 01 11:53:16 SkyscraperN900: yeah. x11vnc as is quite functional, but all the symbols that are on Fn-Sym are not directly typeable via vnc :( Nov 01 11:53:19 seems opera cropped http away Nov 01 11:53:52 yacc i have to press ctrl-return to type return on n900 Nov 01 11:54:07 SkyscraperN900: e.g. I'm currently chatting via my desktops keyboard and display :) Nov 01 11:54:50 yacc i have done that those weekend for writing sms Nov 01 11:55:11 SkyscraperN900: so it is basically a D-Bus call... cool! Nov 01 11:55:20 yacc but if display goes off i have to wake it up by touching hardware touchscreen Nov 01 11:55:56 Well, for SMS I do need to hit the Send button via the mouse. Nov 01 11:56:21 SkyscraperN900: you can set it not to go in standby while charging Nov 01 11:56:39 SkyscraperN900: the only thing that does not work greatly is the browser, it takes the mouse events and switches to mousepointer mode, hence making scrolling hard :( Nov 01 11:56:50 SkyscraperN900: or if you're not charging it, use the brightness applet's setting to keep the screen on Nov 01 11:57:20 is there a particular reason why WSEGL_UseHWSync is 0? Nov 01 11:58:20 cos it doesn't work Nov 01 11:58:20 :P Nov 01 11:58:22 mece: what is that? Nov 01 11:58:35 simple as that Nov 01 11:58:42 Stskeeps: lol Nov 01 11:59:47 owned Nov 01 11:59:58 that was my n900 battery Nov 01 12:00:06 Skyscraper09: heh Nov 01 12:00:17 Stskeeps, does nothing? Nov 01 12:00:18 venemo_n900 what have you written? Nov 01 12:00:25 mece: the implementation is first in later drivers Nov 01 12:00:49 Stskeeps, do the drivers exist? Nov 01 12:00:57 sure they do, didn't you see thp's video? Nov 01 12:00:58 :P Nov 01 12:01:05 Skyscraper09: the brightness applet can make it keep the screen on, so you won't have trouble with it with x11vnc Nov 01 12:01:11 what video who? Nov 01 12:01:34 sec.. Nov 01 12:02:03 venemo_n900 i have found a dbus call to hold screen on... so i start a simple "x11vnc.sh" with dbus-call and 15 sec sleep xD works! Nov 01 12:02:17 mece: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=cWtMLs3j09U&feature=player_embedded Nov 01 12:03:09 :( my sdk update completed, reported the hash was not correct, so i clicked on retry, and now again i'm at the download sccreen showing download is 100% complete, but nothing is happening! Nov 01 12:03:15 Stskeeps, heh I was talking about maemo Nov 01 12:03:16 venemo_n900 can i find out the celltowerid via dbus-send in xterm? Nov 01 12:03:18 * n900-space glares at Qt ! Nov 01 12:03:28 mece: oh, out of luck then, too old kernel for this kind of stuff Nov 01 12:03:28 :P Nov 01 12:03:46 n900-space: well sounds like you'd better off completely uninstalling it Nov 01 12:03:47 Stskeeps, so the driver doesn't support it? Nov 01 12:03:56 mece: driver doesn't support it and neither does DSS2 in kernel Nov 01 12:04:08 whats a url for info on whats in the power user kernel? Nov 01 12:04:09 Stskeeps, so setting it to 1 does nothing Nov 01 12:04:21 just overclocking ? Nov 01 12:04:21 shouldn't, at least when i tried it, i still saw tearing Nov 01 12:04:31 okido Nov 01 12:04:40 Skyscraper09: yes, with some dbus tool using the stuff from that .py code Nov 01 12:09:55 Stskeeps: looks like meego is what maemo 5 should've been Nov 01 12:10:16 mm? Nov 01 12:10:19 it looks good. Shame Nokia missed the mark by approx 2 years Nov 01 12:10:25 re: that video you linked Nov 01 12:10:28 :nod: Nov 01 12:10:36 hello all Nov 01 12:10:52 how can i get the PR1.1 keyboard in PR1.3 Nov 01 12:11:09 crashanddie: yes, but if only someone told me if there's going to be multiple homescreens/homescreen widgets on meego Nov 01 12:11:12 venemo_n900 dbus-send --system --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.phone.net /com/nokia/phone/net get_registration_status --- doesnt work. whats wrong? Nov 01 12:11:13 PR1.2 and PR1.3 virtual keyboard is Aweful Nov 01 12:11:26 crashanddie: noone could answer this question yet Nov 01 12:11:44 Skyscraper09: I dunno, never used the command line dbus tool Nov 01 12:11:56 awful Nov 01 12:12:15 rokr1: hardware kb rocks Nov 01 12:12:32 i dont want to use hardware keyboard often Nov 01 12:12:57 rokr1: why not? Nov 01 12:13:22 i just dont like to use it often no reason Nov 01 12:13:55 rokr1: well I prefer to use it much Nov 01 12:13:58 DocScrutinizer Nov 01 12:14:09 remove this PR1.3 being released slowly but surely. Be patient Nov 01 12:15:20 venemo r u using telenor ?? Nov 01 12:16:30 Venemo -> sound suppressor on Nov 01 12:16:41 where r u ? Nov 01 12:17:08 anyone here who uses mugen battery ?? Nov 01 12:17:16 MohammadAG51: ping Nov 01 12:17:27 2400mAh battery ? Nov 01 12:17:31 rokr1: telenor Hungary Nov 01 12:17:54 wats the Download bandwith Nov 01 12:18:02 bandwidth ? Nov 01 12:19:03 nice name "Blueslee" Nov 01 12:19:49 venemo_n900 i think it should be possible. but dont know if any other think its usefull to enable/disable wlan triggered by celltowerid to save batterylife Nov 01 12:20:01 rokr1: its just a name ... Nov 01 12:20:11 rokr1: 5GB Nov 01 12:21:05 very funny venemo Nov 01 12:21:10 Skyscraper09: well it is a fairly easy thing to implement, since we have both things, we just need to combine them Nov 01 12:21:10 venemo_n900 its to hard for me to develop an app which can do that :/ Nov 01 12:21:18 rokr1: why? Nov 01 12:21:38 does someone use the modified hildon desktop variants of mohammad, thp, matan ...? Nov 01 12:21:43 i asked the download speed Nov 01 12:21:57 rokr1: ah, sorry Nov 01 12:22:37 rokr1: well I'm in the middle of nowhere right now, but in the city, it can download with 1-1.5 Mbit/s Nov 01 12:22:46 rokr1: sometimes even more Nov 01 12:22:46 venemo_n900 i think its very easy for an good devloper ;) but not for me Nov 01 12:23:10 Skyscraper09: that's why I said remind me when I got home Nov 01 12:23:23 venemo_n900 i'll do it :D Nov 01 12:23:37 BluesLee: I use the Hildon-Desktop from MohammadAG's repo Nov 01 12:24:05 venemo_n900 when you'll be at home? Nov 01 12:24:26 Skyscraper09: yeah, eg when the _N900 won't be there :) Nov 01 12:24:36 hehe Nov 01 12:24:55 Skyscraper09: I'm on a train right now, and I don't have my laptop with me either Nov 01 12:25:02 Venemo_N900: the "kinetic" one ... i use it too but i am also interested in the one from thp Nov 01 12:25:31 BluesLee: well this is not that one Nov 01 12:25:44 venemo_n900 ok Nov 01 12:25:59 BluesLee: this is upstream Hildon-desktop with a newer version numer than the one in PR 1.3 Nov 01 12:27:10 Venemo_N900: okay .. mohammad has included all of the patches in one package unfortunately only for pr 1.2, see http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=838661&postcount=43 Nov 01 12:27:15 ~seen fcrochik Nov 01 12:27:20 the only thing to notice in PR1.3 is battery power management is enhanced Nov 01 12:27:27 fcrochik <~fcrochik@cpe-174-097-248-002.nc.res.rr.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 19h 7m ago, saying: 'niala: yes...that is what I am trying to follow. That is what I get when I try to create the target using the handset image: Can not find qt installation in meego-handset-sdk-20101012-1.1.80.20101024.1603-sda-sysroot'. Nov 01 12:27:48 guys any one who uses Mugen battery Nov 01 12:28:12 can anyone tell me if its worth buying ! Nov 01 12:28:46 BluesLee: well I'm using the one from the community SSU repo Nov 01 12:29:10 i have to go offline Nov 01 12:29:13 byebye Nov 01 12:29:21 Skyscraper09: bye Nov 01 12:29:36 chu chu Nov 01 12:30:54 Venemo_N900: you mean from devel? Nov 01 12:31:20 BluesLee: no, I mean from the community SSU repo Nov 01 12:32:12 BluesLee: see #maemo-ssu if interested Nov 01 12:32:49 Venemo_N900: you mean http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/ Nov 01 12:33:01 BluesLee: again, no... Nov 01 12:33:15 BluesLee: see the topic of #maemo-ssu Nov 01 12:34:01 alterego: ping Nov 01 12:35:30 ~seen alterego Nov 01 12:35:32 alterego <~t.swindel@212.110.185.209> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 3h 34m 47s ago, saying: 'Phone is different, it's new shiny.'. Nov 01 12:37:13 Venemo_N900: okay, now i got it ... Nov 01 12:37:39 BluesLee: :) Nov 01 12:38:39 Venemo_N900: the community ssu repo was formerly known as http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/repo/ Nov 01 12:38:51 BluesLee: formerly yes :) Nov 01 12:39:15 Venemo_N900: i dont know if i should add it Nov 01 12:39:40 BluesLee: use the install file if you want it, that should do it Nov 01 12:39:44 Venemo_N900: i am interested in the patch of thp + faster kinetic scrolling Nov 01 12:39:58 BluesLee: well then use that one Nov 01 12:40:32 Venemo_N900: there is no package for both for pr 1.3 yet afaik Nov 01 12:40:58 BluesLee: well then contact MohammadAG :) Nov 01 12:41:19 Venemo_N900: the one you installed from c-ssu has faster kinetic scrolling included? Nov 01 12:41:57 BluesLee: yes, I think so Nov 01 12:42:05 Venemo_N900: pong Nov 01 12:42:45 ~seen MohammadAG51 Nov 01 12:42:47 mohammadag51 <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 14h 19m 35s ago, saying: 'night peeps'. Nov 01 12:43:07 cu Nov 01 12:44:03 crap, I got disconnected Nov 01 12:44:37 alterego: do you know of a way to implement a task switcher button for a fulscreen Qt Maemo app? Nov 01 12:44:54 alterego: fullscreen* Nov 01 12:45:42 Sure Nov 01 12:45:51 I believe it's a dbus call Nov 01 12:46:04 Look at the source for camkeyd Nov 01 12:46:45 Venemo_N900: http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo-4.6/maemo5-windowstates.html Nov 01 12:46:49 guess that is still valid Nov 01 12:46:50 Venemo_N900: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Architecture/UI_Framework#D-Bus_service_for_moving_from_fullscreen_application_to_Task_switcher Nov 01 12:46:56 thx Nov 01 12:46:59 http://www.linuxjournal.com/content/readers-choice-awards-2010 Nov 01 12:47:34 is it possible to run apps from portablelinuxapps.org on n900? Nov 01 12:48:05 alterego, Kaadlajk: thx Nov 01 12:48:18 vltR: it depends Nov 01 12:48:37 on? Nov 01 12:48:58 vltR: not really, because they're all compiled for x86 Nov 01 12:49:05 jacekowski: does that binary also work with the netbook version? Nov 01 12:49:11 We have VLC, xchat, wireshark and a load of those in the repositories Nov 01 12:49:34 do we have XBMC? Nov 01 12:49:35 :) Nov 01 12:49:45 I don't know, have a look Nov 01 12:50:18 we dont Nov 01 12:50:18 ; [ Nov 01 12:50:33 Well, port it then Nov 01 12:50:51 hmm Nov 01 12:50:54 teach me =d Nov 01 12:51:02 Read a book Nov 01 12:51:15 give me a title =d Nov 01 12:51:21 It seem I have finally done it : http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=64854 :-) Nov 01 12:51:29 the catcher in the rye Nov 01 12:52:25 i cant believe that meego on netbooks still does not support WPA2 networks :O Nov 01 12:53:03 summel, is it a joke ? Nov 01 12:53:13 Creteil: i wish it was :S Nov 01 12:53:17 summel: LOL!! Nov 01 12:53:31 thats why i dont know if i like meegon on the n900 Nov 01 12:53:40 they have so many features missing Nov 01 12:53:45 and so many bugs that dont get fixed Nov 01 12:53:50 why don't you bring this up on #meego Nov 01 12:53:54 vltR: does not VLC (qvlc, rvlc and cvlc) do what you want? Nov 01 12:54:01 and all they did in the last years was switching to rpm and making a new GUI :S Nov 01 12:54:09 Venemo_N900: i did. they dont care Nov 01 12:54:10 :S Nov 01 12:54:18 summel: :( Nov 01 12:54:28 summel: it's their loss Nov 01 12:54:38 meego is so useless without wpa2 support Nov 01 12:54:48 anyway, I'll be off Nov 01 12:54:49 the 2 wifis i use most have wpa2 personal and wpa2 enterprise Nov 01 12:55:11 will get back here once I get home Nov 01 12:55:11 bye folks! Nov 01 12:56:13 What's the reason for wpa_supplicant to not work on n900? Nov 01 12:57:33 wpa2 works fine for me on meego on N900. Nov 01 12:57:36 summel: probably now Nov 01 12:57:39 summel: probably no* Nov 01 12:57:49 :S Nov 01 12:58:45 13:52 < Ether_Man> beware, except the overhead in HTTP is on the transfer.. FTP uses UDP for data Nov 01 12:58:49 hmm Nov 01 12:58:51 fail Nov 01 12:59:36 X-Fade, i see you're back Nov 01 12:59:51 * MohammadAG51 gets a stick :P Nov 01 12:59:55 MohammadAG51: So no use hiding? ;) Nov 01 12:59:56 why have the repos been down Nov 01 13:00:09 not here Nov 01 13:00:38 MohammadAG51: Some servers were down, waiting for full explanation from ISP. Nov 01 13:01:12 X-Fade: (wpa_supplicant) what about the stock maemo kernel, why's that folks say wpa2 is not available? Nov 01 13:02:09 PaulFertser: wpa2 in maemo 5 works just fine, although it is not using wpa_supplicant. Nov 01 13:02:54 it uses some icd2 stuff Nov 01 13:03:17 X-Fade: is the driver crippled or what? I still can't understand why wpa_supplicant is not used. Nov 01 13:03:37 PaulFertser: Because Nokia uses their own solution. Nov 01 13:03:46 the driver is fully open source Nov 01 13:03:51 wl1251 Nov 01 13:04:11 X-Fade: ok, sorry for being unclear. Why do not Maemo5 users employ wpa_supplicant on n900 for their wireless connectivity needs? Nov 01 13:04:23 icd2 is used so the device can switch from 3G to wifi seamlessly Nov 01 13:04:28 PaulFertser: No idea. Nov 01 13:04:39 or the opposite Nov 01 13:04:54 anyways, all apps use it, switching to icd2 won't be nice Nov 01 13:05:08 actually, nvm, it should be nice, works in sdk Nov 01 13:06:08 MohammadAG51: I saw the xterm popup now with the updated enabler. Nov 01 13:06:35 X-Fade, yep, fixed it Nov 01 13:06:50 i call a script which calls a script now Nov 01 13:07:11 MohammadAG51: Ah, very hackish :) Nov 01 13:07:38 X-Fade, i also wanted to push matan's patches into hildon-desktop Nov 01 13:07:43 but the repo was down Nov 01 13:08:08 MohammadAG51: yeah, was fixed early this morning. Nov 01 13:09:00 achipa: ping? Nov 01 13:10:34 pong Nov 01 13:10:45 X-Fade: ^^ Nov 01 13:11:08 achipa: Should we fast-track web2sms because it only needed a rebuild for 1.3 (qt modules incompat thingie) Nov 01 13:11:34 and fmradio i think Nov 01 13:12:04 Every affected app then :) Nov 01 13:12:32 fast track the repo :P Nov 01 13:13:07 Would really want to see the whole repo in OBS. Then all this would have been so easy. Nov 01 13:14:00 X-Fade: as far as I'm concerned, we can fasttrack rebuilds Nov 01 13:14:16 jacekowski: Hi, Do you have any idea, how to mirror the nokia binary repo? Debmirror doesn't seem to support https. Nov 01 13:14:41 tobis87, you're not supposed to. Nov 01 13:14:44 Surely debmirror eventually falls back to curl or wget? Nov 01 13:15:34 GAN900: Just as a backup. Nov 01 13:16:17 X-Fade: also, kill that libsdl-ttf thingy, there is no point in keeping it around now that nok does a 'provides' for it Nov 01 13:18:04 tobis87, you're not supposed to :P Nov 01 13:18:36 hello :) Nov 01 13:19:45 hmm could someone point me towards instructions on how to make a chroot under MyDocs that I can mount from /opt/ or something like that? I forget how it was done. my home is a little full. Nov 01 13:19:56 achipa: libsdl-ttf2.0-0, right? Nov 01 13:20:29 X-Fade, while you're handling the repos, i still see psfreedom in non-free, and the description is old Nov 01 13:20:33 MohammadAG51: :-( Nov 01 13:20:43 X-Fade: correct Nov 01 13:21:54 I've flashed with teh PR1.3 and I'm trying to install SMSCON, python2.5-qt4 is needeed and seems to be avalaible only for PR1.2 Nov 01 13:22:02 what can I do ? Nov 01 13:22:34 a) wait Nov 01 13:22:43 b) wait more Nov 01 13:22:48 :) Nov 01 13:22:49 indeed Nov 01 13:23:25 isn't python2.5-qt4 a full package, i.e not to be depended upon? Nov 01 13:23:36 MohammadAG51: well it used to be Nov 01 13:23:42 but am not so sure any more Nov 01 13:23:56 as qt packages have migrated to /opt Nov 01 13:24:10 and HAM is broken so you can get yourself into an un-updateable position Nov 01 13:24:28 which could be avoided with python2.5-qt4 Nov 01 13:26:53 HAM doesn't use dpkg the way it's used to Nov 01 13:27:02 seems like it uses dpkg --force-all Nov 01 13:27:18 resuling in broken deps Nov 01 13:27:39 yes, I prefer to wait than to force Nov 01 13:28:13 you have no other options in HAM :P Nov 01 13:28:42 =) Nov 01 13:30:59 hi chaps Nov 01 13:31:02 And hey MohammadAG. Have you got a PR1.3-compatible version of hildon-desktop and friends? Nov 01 13:31:07 moo lardman Nov 01 13:31:10 anyone use Bluemaemo? Does the hw kb work for you? Nov 01 13:31:24 worked for me Nov 01 13:31:40 * lardman is teaching this week and the presentation laptop is so far away from the students he needs to shout Nov 01 13:31:53 hmm, didn't do anything for me on the N900 Nov 01 13:31:59 lardman, no, the HW kbd doesn't work Nov 01 13:32:08 you have to use the on screen one Nov 01 13:32:15 oh, drat Nov 01 13:32:38 thanks for the confirmation MohammadAG51 Nov 01 13:32:52 * lardman wonders if he can fix it while he eats lunch Nov 01 13:36:17 ah, apparently pressing the power button makes it work Nov 01 13:36:52 Probably best to port it to use pyQt rather than that e-business anyway Nov 01 13:37:12 X-Fade, should a notice be added to the community enabler? Nov 01 13:37:32 MohammadAG51: I think that would be good. Nov 01 13:37:51 how can I chek which PR version I've got on my N900? Nov 01 13:38:09 soube, settings my nokia Nov 01 13:38:20 X-Fade, hmm, GUI or terminal? Nov 01 13:38:27 settings about product my bad Nov 01 13:38:30 MohammadAG51: The eula thing? Nov 01 13:38:33 6 days uptime, time to reboot... Nov 01 13:38:38 something like that Nov 01 13:38:45 (and, by the way, PR1.3 has not fixed the performance problem) Nov 01 13:38:55 maemo-confirm-text is annoying though Nov 01 13:39:00 MohammadAG51: Most people will use HAM, so yeah. Nov 01 13:39:03 hello.. could someone who understands this stuff tell me if this method of loopback mounting is correct: http://pastie.org/1263935 Nov 01 13:39:16 MohammadAG51: Well it is a one time only thing. If everything is ok, this will never update. Nov 01 13:39:21 ham5: is version 10.2010.19-1 the same as PR 1.3? Nov 01 13:39:32 MohammadAG51: And for testers, it is not a big deal. Nov 01 13:39:38 X-Fade, that would work I suppose :) Nov 01 13:39:42 19-1 is 1.2 Nov 01 13:39:51 i forgot we're using an install file Nov 01 13:39:52 36-2 is pr 1.3 Nov 01 13:40:04 sent two packages to the repo Nov 01 13:40:04 has anyone else noticed that 3g connection disconnects rather often/easily after the pr 1.3 update? Nov 01 13:40:28 ham5: thanks Nov 01 13:41:08 Mohammad: One more time: what is the community SSU status with respect to PR1.3? New packages online? Nov 01 13:41:13 I wonder when PR1.3 arrives to my handset Nov 01 13:41:18 mece: Do you have patched libhildonfm for pr1.3? Nov 01 13:41:49 tobis87, no, sorry Nov 01 13:42:39 hey X-Fade, how's things? Nov 01 13:43:05 lardman: hi. Good, I guess ;) Nov 01 13:43:14 busy then? ;) Nov 01 13:43:18 mece: Do you plan to do so? Or is there still the problem which causes the reboots. Nov 01 13:43:39 lardman: Yeah, enough to do between maemo and meego. Nov 01 13:45:08 X-Fade: Has FBReader 0.12.* been pushed by Nikolay Pultsin? Nov 01 13:48:55 tobis87, I haven't looked at it in a bit. the problems were caused by a memory leak I think. not sure, but that's the thing I figured caused it, because I (needlessly) used a temp variable that I forgot to del. I never got around to try fix it. Nov 01 13:49:32 tobis87, if I can find the thing I could fix it I guess. I'll have to reinstall my sdk and whatnot. I'll have a gander at some point. Not today though. Nov 01 13:49:32 RST38h: By rob1n. Nov 01 13:51:00 Any international users here? I'm trying to find the sms email gateway for turkcell Nov 01 13:51:31 are you sure there is one Nov 01 13:51:36 mece: Ok, that would be nice. Nov 01 13:51:44 Myrtti: There is one that I've used in the past Nov 01 13:52:59 X-Fade: rob1n broke book list =( Nov 01 13:55:00 And the application menu too, apparently Nov 01 13:55:19 oh man, how long can it take to write 2 billion 0's? Nov 01 13:55:57 assuming one digit per second 23,148.1481 days Nov 01 13:56:27 mece, dd on N900? Nov 01 13:56:33 * MohammadAG would say a day Nov 01 13:57:54 can I add a waypoint or landmark in maps?? Nov 01 14:01:17 sevard: "international users?" Nov 01 14:02:22 MohammadAG, we'll see. Yawn Nov 01 14:02:30 crashanddie: I'm trying to find the sms email gateway for turkcell Nov 01 14:02:56 sevard: yes, I read that. But in what sense? To send an email using an sms or an sms using an email? Nov 01 14:03:08 Did MicroB's tap detection get worse? Nov 01 14:03:10 MohammadAG, fun tiems when writing to vfat causes the whole device to lock up. Nov 01 14:03:20 Hmm Nokia Z500 MeeGo tablet, sounds nice. Nov 01 14:03:29 sevard: most networks deactivated the sms-to-email services. Nov 01 14:03:41 sevard: call the customer service and ask Nov 01 14:03:56 X-Fade, I agree, but just the name doesn't really tell us much now does it. Nov 01 14:04:08 mece, it's not vfat, it's the retarded MMC ;) Nov 01 14:04:30 well, how the device handles writing to the MMC Nov 01 14:04:42 connect the device over mass storage and do the same command Nov 01 14:05:03 MohammadAG: that doesn't necessarily show anything radical Nov 01 14:05:38 Myrtti, my device crashed when dding 2GBs, and it finished in 3 hours Nov 01 14:05:47 over mass storage, it was done in less than 5 minutes Nov 01 14:06:33 MohammadAG: did some file transfers with my N95, hooked the phone with cable, mass storage mode, wrote to the SD card about 80 pictures, 2M each, took about 1.5h Nov 01 14:06:54 took the SD card out the phone, put it into a card reader, hooked it up directly, took about 5 minutes Nov 01 14:07:01 Myrtti: Something is wrong. Nov 01 14:07:07 or "similar ridiculously short time" Nov 01 14:07:09 crashanddie: I don't speak turkish well enough :) Nov 01 14:07:10 the N95 is slow over USB Nov 01 14:07:16 RST38h: yeah, N95 Nov 01 14:07:25 Myrtti: Even with N95 it should not take this long Nov 01 14:07:26 very very slow Nov 01 14:07:32 I used to get less than 1MB/s Nov 01 14:07:37 Takes several times less time with E70 Nov 01 14:07:45 RST38h, nope, the N95 is VERY slow Nov 01 14:08:04 gehehehe Nov 01 14:08:10 syncing gmail mailboxes Nov 01 14:08:26 it's been at it for a week consecutive - still got one full year to go ;) Nov 01 14:09:18 X-Fade, probably Intel. Which mostly makes it silly. Nov 01 14:09:34 GAN900: Yeah probably Atom Z500 ;) Nov 01 14:09:40 I can't take things with idle time counted in hours seriously. Nov 01 14:09:48 crAptom. Nov 01 14:10:27 I've lost count on how many times I've wanted to use the N95 as a door stop within past two weeks Nov 01 14:10:38 Get an N900 already Nov 01 14:10:47 Or that supercheap Android phone ($150?) Nov 01 14:11:06 RST38h: which one? Nov 01 14:11:07 Myrtti, you don't have an N900? Nov 01 14:11:27 RST38h: no thanks, I'll just wait until my Nexus One comes from service. It's stuck in their queue now, they're probably checking out have I stolen it or something, since I couldn't produce them a warranty certificate Nov 01 14:11:43 MohammadAG: couldn't bare to pay so much for it Nov 01 14:12:00 the n900 cost nothing these days Nov 01 14:12:12 What I hate the most is that Intel now only supports ECC with Xeon's. Nov 01 14:12:28 tybollt: it still costs more than my Nexus One did :-P Nov 01 14:12:32 isn't the N900 350 bucks or sth? Nov 01 14:12:40 Myrtti: Well, at least they have taken it in for repair, I gather... Nov 01 14:12:45 * MohammadAG found it for 300 somewhere around here Nov 01 14:13:04 need help, when hellanzb finished downloading, I have an msg to the screen, but I want to keep the message on the screen until I click on a button 'Ok' for example, actually the message appear and disappear when I click on it to see ... Nov 01 14:32:34 http://fc04.deviantart.net/fs49/f/2009/171/a/b/4chan_fuck_yeah__3_by_desertricker.jpg Nov 01 14:46:40 crash: Yes, yesss, YESSS Nov 01 14:54:57 * MohammadAG needs one tester, requirements, PR1.3 and N900 Nov 01 15:06:02 hy guys. have an unusal question: where can I I get infos about how many mips the ARM1176JZ has? Nov 01 15:06:08 crashanddie, I don't see anything to take issue with there. :P Nov 01 15:10:51 hi Nov 01 15:11:11 how to enable text-select mode in browser? Nov 01 15:16:55 Juozapas, swipe from the left bezel onto the screen about one third of the way from the bottom. Nov 01 15:16:57 Aw, I'm reflashing (both system and emmc) for the fourth time since I tried out PR 1.3. There are some apps I need from -devel, and when I reboot after I install them, the device won't boot. Nov 01 15:17:13 I'll try to shortlist it to find out what among these apps is the culprit. Nov 01 15:18:41 why emmc... Nov 01 15:19:12 GAN900: thx man Nov 01 15:19:52 MohammadAG: It won't work just by flashing PR 1.3 only. Nov 01 15:20:25 MohammadAG: I have been insisting on just flashing the system only, when kerios pointed out to me to try to flash the emmc too. Nov 01 15:25:48 ebzzry, that sounds like a problem. Nov 01 15:25:58 GAN900: Yes, it is. Nov 01 15:26:00 There's usually no reason to flash the eMMC. Nov 01 15:26:12 I have discussed this issue with others before. Nov 01 15:26:23 Usually, there's no need since it is suppose to be separate from the system. Nov 01 15:26:49 The first time I flashed with PR 1.3, I got stuck at the six glowing circles. Nov 01 15:27:04 Then I tried to flash the same image again, with no luck. Nov 01 15:27:30 I asked help from people, main the ones from this #, and they advised me to flash the eMMC, too. And so I did. Nov 01 15:27:36 It somehow worked. Nov 01 15:28:04 It could be a case of, post hoc ergo propter hoc, but it made my device boot properly. Nov 01 15:28:58 I don't mind, except for the humongus restore of MyDocs everytime I do it. Nov 01 15:29:47 I better find out what -devel apps is the culprit, RSN. Nov 01 15:33:54 ebzzry: stop the fucking monologue, bro. Nov 01 15:36:19 mo Nov 01 15:36:22 o Nov 01 15:36:39 baa. Nov 01 15:36:57 too sleepy to skim backscroll. What's state of things with repos? Nov 01 15:37:14 hah! Nov 01 15:37:18 seen X-Fade around Nov 01 15:37:22 fixed, fix the status Nov 01 15:37:27 err, topic Nov 01 15:37:36 if I had said that you would have flogged me and left me to rot behind the barn Nov 01 15:39:00 ~pr1.3 Nov 01 15:39:00 hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Nov 01 15:40:01 * MohammadAG wonders how to announce the SSU Nov 01 15:40:27 yodeling. Nov 01 15:40:32 MohammadAG: I'd say not yet. Nov 01 15:40:38 [ANNOUNCE] There's a community SSU now Nov 01 15:40:47 DocScrutinizer, kthxbye Nov 01 15:40:49 MohammadAG: Better test it for a while. Try an update etc. Nov 01 15:40:51 X-Fade, how come? Nov 01 15:41:06 MohammadAG: Onve you are live, you can't mess with it. Nov 01 15:41:09 *once Nov 01 15:41:31 X-Fade, well, in order to test you need testers :) Nov 01 15:41:52 MohammadAG: Oh, yes you do. But I guess a talk topic should work for that? :) Or -devel? Nov 01 15:41:57 Mohammad: Just tell us about it right here Nov 01 15:42:01 Skip on the rest Nov 01 15:42:16 ack Nov 01 15:42:38 talk isn't for testers Nov 01 15:42:49 it's for anyone who gets excited over new posts Nov 01 15:43:02 errm, yes Nov 01 15:43:04 Nov 01 15:44:02 SpeedEvil: no yodeling - this is a family establishment! Nov 01 15:44:47 * tybollt threatens to slap SpeedEvil w/ MohammadAG Nov 01 15:45:08 * MohammadAG kicks tybollt in his balls Nov 01 15:45:14 :) Nov 01 15:46:18 MohammadAG: hello to you too :) Nov 01 15:46:31 ;) Nov 01 15:47:09 X-Fade, wouldn't -community be better? Nov 01 15:47:45 MohammadAG: Well, it might be better to target people with technical knowledge for this one. Nov 01 15:48:58 hmm, -developers it is Nov 01 15:52:44 what's wrong with #maemo for that? Nov 01 15:52:58 DocScrutinizer, mailing lists, not -devel Nov 01 15:53:23 yes Nov 01 16:10:43 X-Fade, message sent, I hope I don't f up the mailing lists Nov 01 16:12:07 sigh, wtf :/ Nov 01 16:12:26 why did it reply instead of making a new topic Nov 01 16:12:31 MohammadAG: Got it. Nov 01 16:13:15 MohammadAG: Did you hit reply in your mail client and then wrote a new message? Nov 01 16:13:59 no, I used gmail.com, and composed a new message Nov 01 16:15:05 MohammadAG: Headers look ok, I guess that will fix itself once there are more mails. Nov 01 16:16:30 Anyway, have to go for a while. bbl Nov 01 16:26:33 MohammadAG: The first reply to your message isnt exactly promising of some of the people reading -developers :< Nov 01 16:27:06 indeed, already saw it Nov 01 16:31:15 MohammadAG: the enabler package sets up the GPG key so the packages would be trusted? Nov 01 16:31:16 nid0: do elabor tybollt: well MohammadAG posted an announcement for the community SSU on -developers to try to avoid the "omg updatezz" crowd on tmo and get some meaningful testing Nov 01 16:32:19 first reply he got on the mailing list asked him what an SSU is and what HAM is. Nov 01 16:32:32 meh Nov 01 16:32:42 so hide this -developers list better ;) Nov 01 16:33:10 sivang, yes Nov 01 16:33:18 like, by invitation only Nov 01 16:33:52 wtf is wrong with HAM Nov 01 16:33:56 piece of shit Nov 01 16:34:04 it says I need to upgrade my device using pc suite Nov 01 16:34:08 heh Nov 01 16:34:13 I'm the owner of this damn repo Nov 01 16:34:16 quick, uninstall things Nov 01 16:34:18 well, maintainer Nov 01 16:34:34 MohammadAG pwns us all Nov 01 16:34:47 MohammadAG: bah Nov 01 16:35:10 anyone connecting maemo to zimbra? Nov 01 16:35:12 MohammadAG: but nice work nonetheless, you wouldn't believe the quirks debian packaging has Nov 01 16:35:19 MohammadAG: I'd hate to think how that manifests into HAM Nov 01 16:35:35 MohammadAG: I worked on a python software the last couple of days, the packaging for lenny was the real pain Nov 01 16:35:51 and I'm a veteran python packager, although been a while since I did a daemon Nov 01 16:36:00 packaging is easy Nov 01 16:36:10 gah Nov 01 16:36:48 MohammadAG: try to package a setutools project that install a daemon :) Nov 01 16:37:21 sivang, copy needed stuff where you need it, copy init.d script to /etc/init.d, use start Nov 01 16:37:39 MohammadAG: and demonize properly so you can get exit codes through the shell from the demonized process! Nov 01 16:37:42 :) Nov 01 16:37:57 MohammadAG: That's what I thought, but no :-) Nov 01 16:38:11 MohammadAG: copy, put init script, done Nov 01 16:38:20 MohammadAG: but dh_installinit has a life of its own! Nov 01 16:38:22 muahha Nov 01 16:38:57 MohammadAG: so these days on lenny, you need to make sure you init is called *after* update-python-modules $module has been executed Nov 01 16:39:06 MohammadAG: because dh auto sequence got it all wrong Nov 01 16:39:07 :-p Nov 01 16:39:14 guess how much time to find this out.. Nov 01 16:40:45 MohammadAG: and one dd says it is a bug, other says "feature, works as expected" :-p Nov 01 16:41:02 lol Nov 01 16:41:10 5 minutes with proper googling Nov 01 16:41:25 MohammadAG: r i g h t... Nov 01 16:41:26 or use man Nov 01 16:41:30 MohammadAG: HAHAHA Nov 01 16:41:33 man he says :) Nov 01 16:41:39 don't you think I do that? Nov 01 16:42:00 the right thing, was to read in the readme file of the stupid python-support package :) Nov 01 16:42:10 but since i had google, I was sure google was bound to have this info! Nov 01 16:42:18 the internet is dumbing us Nov 01 16:42:36 and no man page of either of the scripts mention anything about it Nov 01 16:42:43 only about target overrides Nov 01 16:43:10 which is , mostly useless given the dh auto sequence is there to relieve you from writing targets. Nov 01 16:43:15 what is and what do the SmartReflex thing ( /sys/power/sr_vdd1_autocomp , /sys/power/sr_vdd2_autocomp ) ? Nov 01 16:44:19 don't touch it Nov 01 16:44:23 it's not working Nov 01 16:45:49 thx , but do ? power consumption better control ? Nov 01 16:50:47 it's broken automatic voltage controll Nov 01 16:50:52 but it's not fast enough Nov 01 16:50:59 and processor hangs/resets does strange things Nov 01 16:51:58 Who the hell comes into an independent bookstore looking for a Kindle. . . . Nov 01 16:52:10 hey jacekowski Nov 01 16:52:20 sivang: hey Nov 01 16:52:58 GAN900: someone whos been told "kindles are teh future of bookz!" without understanding its an amazon product Nov 01 16:54:45 bah, I like paper books. There's no replacement Nov 01 16:55:41 sivang: esspecialy search in paper books Nov 01 16:55:52 if you want to find some info quickly Nov 01 16:55:55 E0x: so simple aswer is "yes, better power conservation (not very much). Alas doesn't work, unless that patch in PR1.3 kernel did something about it" Nov 01 17:00:40 GAN900: It's not unreasonable that Amazon *could* do retailer channels Nov 01 17:00:42 jacekowski: isn't it funny how Nokia justifiably disables SR and same time the "real specialists" decide to "tweak power profiles to ultra-low, for better battery life" :-P Nov 01 17:01:11 GAN900: My grandparents saw my Kindle at the weekend, and they could - conceivably - go into a shop asking for more info (they wouldn't) Nov 01 17:01:47 seems pretty unlikely a bookstore would ever want to sell kindles, even if amazon offered them Nov 01 17:02:13 "hi we're a bookstore, you can buy books from us or this absolutely 100% competing product that means youll never ever buy a book from us again" Nov 01 17:02:51 DocScrutinizer: well, smartreflex is there, and IMO nokia should make that work Nov 01 17:02:51 Would depend on profit margin, and they could start moving into assisting with self-publishing of local authors etc. Referrals from Amazon etc. Nov 01 17:02:51 DocScrutinizer: what's SR? Nov 01 17:02:59 DocScrutinizer: or somebody else Nov 01 17:03:00 * Jaffa shrugs. Nov 01 17:03:06 The kindle is quite awesome. Nov 01 17:03:12 hi Nov 01 17:03:18 jacekowski: well, searching through paper books forces you to think a bit more, the interenet is dumbing us :) Nov 01 17:03:22 But - it's not quite as compelling as it might be. Nov 01 17:03:30 I'd rather read books on WeTab Nov 01 17:03:38 nid0: why not? Here in Germany the Gas stations sell grocery goods now, as they don't make a living from Gas. Why wouldn't a bookstore sell Kindle and have internet to "fuel" it? Nov 01 17:03:57 I'm reading on my n900 quite often, in preference to my kindle. Nov 01 17:04:11 SpeedEvil1: yes, it is nice to have it on N900, but it is very small Nov 01 17:04:11 sivang: Not when your eyes start bleeding and your wrist breaks ;-) Nov 01 17:04:17 DocScrutinizer: buying groceries from a gas station doesnt mean you wont ever go there to buy gas ever again, it does the opposite and upsales extra products to you when you go there. Nov 01 17:04:22 Jaffa, oh, yeah, let me sell you this and you'll never buy another thing here again. ;) Nov 01 17:04:25 Jaffa: well, if you're a med major then no :) Nov 01 17:04:36 how do i request system standby over ssh? Nov 01 17:04:38 Jaffa: or using Advanced Unix Programming Nov 01 17:04:45 * Jaffa likes his Kindle for the larger screen and the pushing of content to it over whispernet Nov 01 17:04:45 MohammadAG: nice Nov 01 17:04:48 sivang: Well, true Nov 01 17:04:52 Simply as I can set the n900 down all the way in brightness, and with the kindle, I need to arrange some sort of task-light. Oh - and it's too big for me to just watch/read comfortably in bed. Nov 01 17:04:52 DocScrutinizer: Conversely, you can only buy kindle books from amazon. So, a book store sells you a kindle, you're going to go to amazon for all your books from then on, and never go to the book store again. Nov 01 17:04:55 nid0: I can see same effect with eBooks and paper copies Nov 01 17:05:24 I've had people ask if we sell ebooks for the Kindle, too. Nov 01 17:05:38 GAN900: you work at a bookshop? Nov 01 17:06:13 'course the independent used stores are the only ones going to come out of the ebook revolution in one piece. Nov 01 17:06:24 The chains are putting themselves out of business. Nov 01 17:06:33 GAN900: For now. Nov 01 17:06:39 SpeedEvil, yeah, biggest in the South East US. Nov 01 17:06:49 GAN900: I have 3000 paper books. Nov 01 17:06:59 GAN900: If I could easily dump them on amazon, I would. Nov 01 17:07:16 GAN900: Today I went through a box of textbooks, and put out a lot for composting. Nov 01 17:07:28 'Programmers guide to the EGA/VGA card' Nov 01 17:07:42 The correct end for most academic publications. Nov 01 17:07:49 Heh Nov 01 17:08:16 lo alterego Nov 01 17:08:21 And beginning electronics books. Nov 01 17:08:23 Hallo :) Nov 01 17:08:42 If I forget what an opamp is, I'm going to have more problems than not having the book in question. Nov 01 17:08:57 lol Nov 01 17:09:11 What navigation software do you use for car navigation, without a network connection? Nov 01 17:09:35 KaffeeJunky123: I had a very poor gps back then, today it is mostly Maep Nov 01 17:09:36 Mostly off-topic. Nov 01 17:09:36 given you own a car Nov 01 17:09:41 but yes, off topic Nov 01 17:09:47 I've found my garden shredder works really well to shred paper. Nov 01 17:09:50 (and the car is to be sold since I can't hold it anymore) Nov 01 17:09:51 on maemo ^^ Nov 01 17:09:56 Soak publication. Nov 01 17:10:08 KaffeeJunky123: Maep, uses superb OSMPs Nov 01 17:10:21 sivang: I'll have a look at it Nov 01 17:10:24 Tear off 4mm or so thickness, roll into little tube, treat as a 'branch' Nov 01 17:10:25 it might be interesting to try out the new nook color Nov 01 17:10:36 KaffeeJunky123: and I like it that it is not turn by turn, e.g. you still have to think :) Nov 01 17:10:43 but I also see a lot of good points in Kindle's passive matrix display Nov 01 17:10:44 KaffeeJunky123: it shows you where you are, but you still need to plan a bit etc Nov 01 17:10:52 I'm having real problems understanding why I might want a bookreader that does not do other things. Nov 01 17:11:05 sivang: does it tell you anything? Nov 01 17:11:07 SpeedEvil: do one thing and do it good? :) Nov 01 17:11:15 sivang: Sure. Nov 01 17:11:16 KaffeeJunky123: where I am, streets names, some POI Nov 01 17:11:30 SpeedEvil: sounds like a happy experience, with all that ... it's called konfetti here Nov 01 17:11:36 sivang: Assuming you can carry around a mp3 player, a camera a phone, a kindle, ... Nov 01 17:11:38 KaffeeJunky123: there's OVI as well Nov 01 17:11:44 sivang: why isn't it listed on the http://wiki.maemo.org/Navigation_Tools page Nov 01 17:11:46 wonder if color passive matrix displays will be available someday... Nov 01 17:11:46 SpeedEvil: true, it gets too much Nov 01 17:11:57 hm, I see holdon-home take up ~35% CPU and pulseaudio 28% CPU resulting in a load of 2.5... media player is open, but paused, what could cause this? It is, obviously, draining the battery more than I'd like Nov 01 17:11:57 sivang: ovi requires an internet connection Nov 01 17:11:58 A flashlight, a FM radio. Nov 01 17:11:59 KaffeeJunky123: don't know, never heard of this page :) Nov 01 17:12:04 A GPS. Nov 01 17:12:06 KaffeeJunky123: oh right :) Nov 01 17:12:13 KaffeeJunky123: maep downloads the maps, you can tell it so Nov 01 17:12:26 sivang: that's exactly what I'm looking for Nov 01 17:12:45 A camcorder, pencil and paper, envelopes, stamps. a pizza oven. Nov 01 17:12:53 KaffeeJunky123: try and see, but don't hold me accountable- I'm as blank as can be usually Nov 01 17:12:53 CutMeOwnThroat: Hildon-home probably that nasty bug Nov 01 17:13:17 related to kinetic scrolling of windows too short to scroll Nov 01 17:13:29 Though the kindle is much better for textbooks - though still somewhat too low res. Nov 01 17:13:54 PA is known to always do this kinda shit, so blame Nokia for ever considering to use PA at all Nov 01 17:13:54 the glitch UI is horrific problem Nov 01 17:14:01 * sivang should get brave and install the communty SSU Nov 01 17:14:27 sivang: is it in the repo? Nov 01 17:15:02 it *is* a repo Nov 01 17:15:15 CutMeOwnThroat: see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools for a possible fix of the kinetic scrolling problem (install MHD) Nov 01 17:15:29 DocScrutinizer, any workaround for that? And what windows are those? Is that bug 8723? Nov 01 17:15:31 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8723 Items in hildon-home can be non-responsive for several minutes Nov 01 17:15:51 unrelated Nov 01 17:16:09 ah, you were faster with the answer than I with making the question preciser Nov 01 17:16:49 # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug in http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 01 17:17:21 KaffeeJunky123: in extras or something no? Nov 01 17:17:24 can I test if it's this bug? Nov 01 17:18:05 KaffeeJunky123: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/maep/ Nov 01 17:18:15 sivang: well i've found it =) Nov 01 17:18:17 repo's back up? Nov 01 17:18:21 cool Nov 01 17:18:32 I never had that hildon-desktop cpu bug Nov 01 17:18:35 how do you get it? Nov 01 17:19:15 * RST38h moos loudly Nov 01 17:19:39 having many applications open? Nov 01 17:20:37 about 18% cpu load on pulse is what i have with the media player playing some mp3 Nov 01 17:20:56 KaffeeJunky123: that may be misleading. Nov 01 17:21:01 It's 15%@250 Nov 01 17:21:04 18 Nov 01 17:21:46 I'm using top to monitor cpu usage of processes Nov 01 17:21:53 it's toggled by catorize Nov 01 17:21:58 triggered even Nov 01 17:22:14 htop may be better for that. Nov 01 17:22:21 htop + screen + ssh Nov 01 17:24:30 132mb of ram used interresting Nov 01 17:25:27 RSS is a lie. Nov 01 17:25:31 See http://www.selenic.com/smem/ Nov 01 17:26:27 MohammadAG: KaffeeJunky123: no, it's triggered by too short window to scroll Nov 01 17:26:42 DocScrutinizer, app menu* Nov 01 17:26:46 catorize just one way to have such window Nov 01 17:26:50 yes Nov 01 17:26:50 only catorize has a menu that short Nov 01 17:27:00 nope, apmefo as well Nov 01 17:27:00 ApMeFo too Nov 01 17:27:04 nvm then Nov 01 17:27:25 so I'll probably never trigger that bug =) Nov 01 17:29:39 then neither should I, I don't have any of those two Nov 01 17:30:50 seems to nearly freeze now Nov 01 17:31:39 hm my gps is about 200meters off Nov 01 17:32:00 in Maep Nov 01 17:32:16 you get that easily from time to time with buildings around... Nov 01 17:32:26 * DocScrutinizer envisions a >>if !(scroll-area_upper_border < window_upper) then kinetic_bounce-down; if !(scroll-area_lower_border > window_lower) then kinetic_bounce-up;<< Nov 01 17:35:12 KaffeeJunky123: no "A" in GPS? Then it may take like 15min to dl all the data from sat, rather than pull it in no time from network. Until then GPS may be off by several 100m Nov 01 17:35:36 Location-test-ui is nice because it actually tells you the estimated accuracy Nov 01 17:35:48 .. which is 9800m for me when indoors :) Nov 01 17:35:54 DocScrutinizer: looks like it's found me now Nov 01 17:35:55 lol Nov 01 17:36:21 maep doesn't feature any sort of route planning, does it? Nov 01 17:36:33 ShadowJK: still well in range of a large enough "device" Nov 01 17:37:32 RST38h: well, if "device" is >1Mt Nov 01 17:37:42 yea Nov 01 17:38:13 you should know, as that's been the 'eastern approach" to the accuracy problem :-P Nov 01 17:39:04 * DocScrutinizer waiting for Myrtti publishing today's #maemo drug test results Nov 01 17:40:48 Doc: >1Mt is way easier to achieve than <1Mt, as you probably know too Nov 01 17:41:26 err ... than <50kt Nov 01 17:42:43 today's limit seems somewhere next to 1kt Nov 01 17:43:07 * DocScrutinizer prefers MTHEL anyway ;-D Nov 01 17:43:09 You can achieve that with pure chemistry Nov 01 17:43:13 Oh yeaa Nov 01 17:43:30 Big Fucking DF-based MTHEL Nov 01 17:46:24 Well - that's not really true. 1MT pretty much implies a fusion stage, which is an added complication. Nov 01 17:46:34 ack Nov 01 17:46:42 is this guy, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=851115&postcount=28 on about this http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=510749&postcount=1 ? Nov 01 17:47:50 trumee: you really think I'm going to dig thru TWO friggin disgusting tmo threads to even get what *you* are on about Nov 01 17:47:53 ? Nov 01 17:48:13 disgusting? Nov 01 17:48:34 ~tmo Nov 01 17:48:35 rumour has it, tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Nov 01 17:48:52 Calls over Fm is a feature for some. Nov 01 17:49:12 formerly known as "Trolls, Morons, Offtopic" Nov 01 17:49:36 or sth like that Nov 01 17:51:13 or, tmo is ' echo "127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts' Nov 01 18:01:07 you mean it's worse than ubuntu bugs? Nov 01 18:08:38 ~harmattan Nov 01 18:08:54 ~Harmattan Nov 01 18:11:00 DocScrutinizer: haha Nov 01 18:11:11 DocScrutinizer: how would you teach her about harmattan? Nov 01 18:11:36 repository back up? Nov 01 18:13:10 ~tell sivang about help Nov 01 18:13:16 ~tell sivang about query Nov 01 18:13:17 harmattan is teh suck Nov 01 18:13:22 no, wait Nov 01 18:13:26 infobot: harmattan is teh suck Nov 01 18:13:26 okay, kerio Nov 01 18:13:31 ~harmattan Nov 01 18:13:31 [harmattan] teh suck Nov 01 18:22:14 DocScrutinizer, thx, installed it... will see if comes back ... might have been just a widget running wild, too? Nov 01 18:22:41 finally just killed the process without anything happening when it was dead Nov 01 18:23:03 err which process? Nov 01 18:23:11 hildon-home Nov 01 18:23:24 * kerio has visions of midgets running wild Nov 01 18:23:28 hmm, will get restarted I'd guess Nov 01 18:23:34 there was nothing else to do before a shutdown Nov 01 18:25:05 oh well, I'll see... Nov 01 18:25:30 you installed the nice ctr-bs type 5 mode? Nov 01 18:25:54 aka alt-tab emu Nov 01 18:26:21 it's awesome Nov 01 18:26:28 saw the video Nov 01 18:28:04 if it was in the hildon-modified-desktop package, I did Nov 01 18:28:40 it is, but you need the gconftool cmd to set the config to enable it Nov 01 18:31:10 hey anybody know how i can make "]" with keyboard? Nov 01 18:31:35 fn + strg Nov 01 18:31:38 on a n900 Nov 01 18:31:50 it'll bring up the symbol dialog Nov 01 18:31:55 smooph: or what exactly was your question? Nov 01 18:32:21 thanks KaffeeJunky123 Nov 01 18:32:39 respect the coffee :D Nov 01 18:32:59 I don't have any left ._. Nov 01 18:33:17 I drink Club-Mate ... for now Nov 01 18:33:33 smooph: there's also http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters Nov 01 18:33:59 DocScrutinizer the problem is already solved Nov 01 18:34:41 smooph: how should I know? your question was pretty ambiguous Nov 01 18:34:50 Club-Mate= mate tea + lots of sugar? Nov 01 18:35:02 I just didn't know how to type "]" but like KaffeeJunky123 said ... just push fn + strg Nov 01 18:35:08 KaffeeJunky123: correct Nov 01 18:35:11 DocScrutinizer, matan's mhd is now hd in the ssu ;) Nov 01 18:35:20 smooph: can I get that, but without the sugar? Nov 01 18:35:24 KaffeeJunky123: club mate is THE hacker softdrink in all Europe Nov 01 18:35:34 and please the original mate tea Nov 01 18:35:37 with coca leaf Nov 01 18:35:53 :D Nov 01 18:35:59 uuuu Nov 01 18:36:00 crap Nov 01 18:36:00 I see... Nov 01 18:36:06 i forgot that /root is on rootfs Nov 01 18:36:17 lol Nov 01 18:36:35 KaffeeJunky123: it has really not much sugar Nov 01 18:36:46 DocScrutinizer: I don't like sugar in drinks Nov 01 18:37:12 DocScrutinizer: I get even more thirsty from it Nov 01 18:37:42 Heh Nov 01 18:38:26 * MohammadAG51 hates chocolate Nov 01 18:39:10 Me too Nov 01 18:39:14 makes me wanna wash my throat with a litre of water Nov 01 18:39:17 Well, I don't hate it, but I don't like it much Nov 01 18:40:29 * DocScrutinizer hates people talking bout chocolate while he doesn't have any at home Nov 01 18:40:42 KaffeeJunky123: 5g sugar in 100ml Nov 01 18:40:49 i have loads of chocolate Nov 01 18:40:52 chocolate rain Nov 01 18:40:54 and other sweets Nov 01 18:40:54 15kcal per 100ml Nov 01 18:42:12 thats half of what cola and orange juice have Nov 01 18:42:13 about 1BE per glas! Nov 01 18:42:28 it's still a lot of sugar Nov 01 18:42:34 i agree Nov 01 18:42:41 whats BE Nov 01 18:44:47 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Club_mate Nov 01 18:50:57 http://events.ccc.de/congress/2009/wiki/Tschunk Nov 01 18:52:14 smooph: BE is a german unit for diabetic calculations, meaning "bread unit" and aiui equaling one slice of bread Nov 01 18:52:33 Where can I find an introduction to hildon gui programming? Nov 01 18:52:49 and is there a C++ classlibrary for it :>?= Nov 01 18:54:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation Nov 01 18:54:13 maybe a good startpoint Nov 01 18:55:01 already searching around there Nov 01 18:56:52 I've already setup a scratch box for maemo Nov 01 18:58:11 KaffeeJunky123, see also http://maemomm.garage.maemo.org/ if you want C++ Nov 01 18:58:28 Or has it been updated to Maemo5, dunno really. Nov 01 18:58:32 inz: tank you very much, I'll bookmark it right away Nov 01 18:59:27 why would anyone want c++ Nov 01 18:59:40 eeh Nov 01 19:01:00 kerio: dunno, maybe because I'm programming in c++ and not c99? Nov 01 19:01:24 why would you program in c++ OR c99 Nov 01 19:01:36 you C89 luddite Nov 01 19:04:55 kerio: what are you programming in then? Nov 01 19:11:21 python, of course Nov 01 19:11:22 :) Nov 01 19:13:42 You aren't serious, are you? Nov 01 19:13:49 Python is for quick and dirty scripts only Nov 01 19:14:06 atleast use ruby Nov 01 19:15:03 * ShadowJK uses busybox sh for quick and dirty scripts Nov 01 19:16:27 KaffeeJunky123: python is so 2010 like marriage, fast screwing with your acounts and leaves a mess after a while Nov 01 19:20:35 * DocScrutinizer scratches head Nov 01 19:23:40 on a sidenode: whole FSO-1 middleware framework on Openmoko FreeRunner was based on python and worked just fine mostly (http://www.freesmartphone.org) Nov 01 19:24:05 and probably it's the developer leaving a mess after a while, not python Nov 01 19:24:54 "FSO is written in Vala, a modern object oriented programming language that compiles to C – thus giving you the maximum performance." :P Nov 01 19:26:22 and a very common programming model is to write things in python, test for bottlenecks, then replace just the bottlenecks with refactored code, c, or another applicable language Nov 01 19:26:43 which as i recall was the original programming model of FSO's dbus GSM stack Nov 01 19:28:46 why is Qt on symbian retarded... Nov 01 19:30:11 because it was written as a desktop toolkit, and then smashed into an embedded stack with its widgets reimplemented differently Nov 01 19:30:31 ieatlint: I clearly said "FSO-1". FSO-2 is rewritten in vala Nov 01 19:30:52 ah, indeed Nov 01 19:31:00 which explains why FSO-2 is in vala... Nov 01 19:31:25 from the old openmoko fso page "Once the APIs have been used by application programmers, we can start profiling and possibly reimplement some of the services with daemons written in Vala, if necessary" Nov 01 19:33:22 is using apt-get dist-upgrade the right way to commence if the maemo 5 update says pc-suite is required? Nov 01 19:33:58 anyone playing Asphalt V on preenv? Nov 01 19:38:34 internetishard: afaik, no. Nov 01 19:38:39 Aranel: Just fixed my borked n900 so i could install preenv Nov 01 19:38:56 hi guys Nov 01 19:39:01 hey Noobmonk3y Nov 01 19:39:33 hey hey! Nov 01 19:39:47 Noobmonk3y: It crashes on mine :| Nov 01 19:39:52 :( :| :| Nov 01 19:39:56 Noobmonk3y: not the preenv, Asphalt 5. Nov 01 19:40:17 oh? Nov 01 19:40:30 I can play with first cars but nothing more than level 6. Nov 01 19:40:31 thought it ran on the preenv thingy? Nov 01 19:40:53 preenv works good with other games but Asphalt 5 crashes a lot :( Nov 01 19:45:21 ohhhhhhhh Nov 01 19:45:25 so how are you playing it? Nov 01 19:45:57 Now I find a way to make them work: Making decals on them. Nov 01 19:46:28 If they're stock, it crashes. Cars with decals dont crash. Nov 01 19:46:49 meh no idea what it is, just interested in trying new stuff :) Nov 01 19:47:17 try NFSU or Sims 3 first, you'll be impressed :) Nov 01 19:47:24 nfsu works really well Nov 01 19:47:29 I LUV MY N900!!!! Nov 01 19:47:36 Aranel: then how? Nov 01 19:47:41 and X-Plane ofc, It's a very VERY cool flight simulator. Nov 01 19:47:42 DAMN BEST FONE EVEEEER! Nov 01 19:48:05 internetishard: If It asks for PC-Suite, a) you dont have enough rootfs space b) package conflict. Nov 01 19:48:12 IT'S LIKE A LAPTOP IN MY POCKET Nov 01 19:48:17 so I need the 80megs? Nov 01 19:48:21 I have 62megs Nov 01 19:48:22 no Nov 01 19:48:23 internetishard: dist-upgrade is not a good way to deal with it, most likely will brick your device. Nov 01 19:48:27 62 is fine Nov 01 19:48:29 lol Nov 01 19:48:34 you have a conflicting package Nov 01 19:48:35 internetishard: dunno, I think It's enough. Nov 01 19:48:39 read the upgrade details Nov 01 19:48:44 why won't it tell me which pkg confliects Nov 01 19:48:46 i needed +73mb Nov 01 19:48:50 internetishard: it does Nov 01 19:48:53 internetishard: try running dist-upgrade WITHOUT pressing Y to start, and see what is conflicting. Nov 01 19:49:49 internetishard: in most cases, conflicting packages are games or SDL/OpenGL things. Nov 01 19:49:59 says 864 upgraded, 11 newly installed, 581 to remove, and 4 not upgraded - don't see any confliects Nov 01 19:50:29 internetishard: :| then try what nidO said already, read the upgrade details. Nov 01 19:50:48 lolloo: who doesn't? :P Nov 01 19:51:02 should I just delete logs in /var to free up space on / ? Nov 01 19:51:07 I agree Aranel Nov 01 19:51:08 var is 33megs Nov 01 19:51:27 the other biggest dir is /usr/lib Nov 01 19:51:31 d'oh, It's pretty big. But nope, I think 62 megabytes is enough Nov 01 19:51:54 oh okay, it says "82" megs on the maemo 5 upgrade i think Nov 01 19:52:47 moin Nov 01 19:53:31 internetishard: try apt-get remove libgles1 and apt-get remove libgles1-sgx-img Nov 01 19:53:53 internetishard: you can find a list of conflicting packages on maemo talk. Nov 01 19:54:12 how do I do this upgrade from the cmd line? Nov 01 19:54:17 instead of the package manager? Nov 01 19:54:41 whats the rootpw for the madde pr1.2 image? or how do i install apps? (appmanager doesnt seem to see a network?) Nov 01 19:54:51 internetishard: dist-upgrade is the only way but most ppl here don't recommend this, and I know some of them already bricked their device doing it. Nov 01 19:55:17 so just check for updates again with the regular package manager? Nov 01 19:55:27 yup Nov 01 19:55:52 yup, check for updates, click on it, read the update details Nov 01 19:56:09 * Noobmonk3y is trying the sims w0000p Nov 01 19:56:10 and If you have libgles1 and libgles1-sgx-img, remove them. Nov 01 19:56:46 well, once it copies :P Nov 01 19:57:11 neither of those installed Nov 01 19:59:08 Noobmonk3y: w/ preenv? Nov 01 19:59:20 w/ preenv? Nov 01 19:59:29 he means yes Nov 01 19:59:35 with, preenv? :) Nov 01 19:59:37 yes :) Nov 01 19:59:42 nido reads my mind :p Nov 01 19:59:44 It works really well Nov 01 19:59:48 yay! Nov 01 19:59:56 overclocked? Nov 01 20:00:02 nop Nov 01 20:00:04 internetishard: remove Wormux, tuxrace, openarena and brainparty If you do have any of them. Nov 01 20:00:11 As a team your worth talking to, but on your own you're only half a person .p Nov 01 20:00:11 default clock the games run really smoothly Nov 01 20:00:29 Yeah, I don't OC Nov 01 20:00:41 even tv out is quite fun. Nov 01 20:00:55 My gf is addicted to it ... Nov 01 20:00:55 yayyyyyyyyyyyy! Nov 01 20:01:32 internetishard: also remove healthcheck and pearl. Nov 01 20:01:56 * Noobmonk3y cries Nov 01 20:02:02 every time you remove healthcheck a fairy dies Nov 01 20:02:09 (Fuck it, remove em alllllllllll Muhahahahahahaha) Nov 01 20:02:15 internetishard: If it's still not upgrading, then I don't know whick package is conflicting on your installation, read the upgrade detalis. Nov 01 20:02:22 exactly what problem are people having with updating w/healthcheck installed? Nov 01 20:02:26 my update went fine with it Nov 01 20:03:21 Noobmonk3y: is it finished copying? Nov 01 20:03:41 good evening! Nov 01 20:04:26 Does anyone know the details how the mail for exchange works? Nov 01 20:04:43 in what respect? Nov 01 20:04:46 I'm having problems with syncing emails, but calendar works fine Nov 01 20:05:14 If I try to sync emails, the app says that the server isn't responding Nov 01 20:05:23 done Nov 01 20:05:25 and loaded! Nov 01 20:05:28 but not a sims fan! Nov 01 20:05:36 so wanna game i can play without wasting my life away ;) Nov 01 20:05:43 looks soo cool though! Nov 01 20:05:47 nfsu Nov 01 20:05:50 But if I uncheck mail sync option, then the sync will work just fine :) Nov 01 20:05:50 who's back am i patting for the coolness? Nov 01 20:06:10 Any ideas why is this? Nov 01 20:06:35 Could this have something to do with the lack of provisioning mode? Nov 01 20:07:05 does your exchange server require provisioning support? Nov 01 20:07:07 Hello all Nov 01 20:07:21 heya Nov 01 20:07:22 Noobmonk3y: lol there's lots of great games. what would you wanna play? Blades of Fury, maybe? Nov 01 20:07:28 Ooo cool! Nov 01 20:07:30 nidO: no idea :) Nov 01 20:07:33 gonna try assasins creed in a mo Nov 01 20:07:48 Noobmonk3y: a lot of the games work but are reliant on multitouch so dont really work Nov 01 20:07:55 ahhh Nov 01 20:07:58 don't waste your time, It doesn't work b/c of multitouch. You will be stuck in first level. Nov 01 20:08:05 meh meh Nov 01 20:08:27 anyone got The Settlers working? Nov 01 20:11:29 whats The Settlers? Nov 01 20:11:52 oh Nov 01 20:11:57 webos game Nov 01 20:11:59 i c Nov 01 20:12:01 WebOS game. Nov 01 20:12:08 coool! Nov 01 20:12:57 love those sorts of games Nov 01 20:13:01 would like to try the golf one too Nov 01 20:13:40 Noobmonk3y: maybe you already know it but here it is: http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/Game_Compatibility Nov 01 20:14:03 yeah reading it now ;) Nov 01 20:14:12 Noobmonk3y: you can look here to see which games are working or not. Nov 01 20:14:32 thanks :) Nov 01 20:19:09 Noobmonk3y: just implement multitouch support Nov 01 20:19:34 lol luke-jr ;) Nov 01 20:20:06 nokia shud "just implement the multtouch support" for us :) Nov 01 20:20:54 n900-space: why? Nov 01 20:20:56 the world's gonna be a wierd place when you can just download a new screen via nanotechnology Nov 01 20:21:02 Nokia should open N900 so we can hack it :P Nov 01 20:21:14 is mupen64plus available for X86 maemo, or should I switch my scratchboard to an arm target? Nov 01 20:22:27 when I'm trying to install it in scratchboard it'll error about libgles2 not being available, so I tried copying the repos from my phone, because it's available on my phone, but apt-get still doesn't find an installable candidate of libgles2 ^^ Nov 01 20:22:30 nokia shud do a lot of things indeed :) Nov 01 20:22:58 yeah thanks, it was qt4-test from ftp and healthcheck Nov 01 20:25:31 w000p Nov 01 20:26:08 I know It sounds kinda selfish, but please someone with scratchbox skills try and compile this?: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/03/31/video-qt-based-audelicious-app-music-visualizationappreciation-for-the-nokia-n900/ Nov 01 20:26:47 It's an app named Audelicious, Qt-based and It's for N900 but It's not packaged. Looks very interesting but I couldnt compile it because my lack of scratchbox knowledge. :| Nov 01 20:29:07 isn't maemo using something like the debian buildsystem? Nov 01 20:30:09 anyways, for just compiling your software you'll normaly have to do ./configure && make && fakeroot make install Nov 01 20:30:21 *compiling and installing Nov 01 20:30:41 atleast if it's a normal autotools project Nov 01 20:34:11 oh well, realsoccer doesnt work :P Nov 01 20:34:20 well, half screen lol Nov 01 20:58:17 tell with a week using my n900 with pr1.3 i can really see a huge improve in the battery life Nov 01 20:58:27 a really really nice thing Nov 01 21:00:15 nice! Nov 01 21:11:46 shame we still don't have flash 10 though Nov 01 21:15:29 shame we still have to use flash Nov 01 21:16:04 what about html5? Nov 01 21:16:27 would be welcome Nov 01 21:23:03 "Here at Apple, we heard from the first gen iPhone users that people really wanted a hardware keyboard. So for the iPhone 3GS, we added a compass; just to fuck with you" Nov 01 21:23:27 :) Nov 01 21:23:35 :D Nov 01 21:24:42 KaffeeJunky123, fennec 4 trunk supports html5 and i can enable it in youtube, but the video still is choppy... Nov 01 21:25:00 mostly stills with intermittent audio :( Nov 01 21:26:08 we should get some webkit based stuff Nov 01 21:26:20 Why not youtube-dl it and use mplayer? works nicely even on n810. Nov 01 21:26:28 how good are the multimedia plugins for maemo? Nov 01 21:26:42 well Nov 01 21:26:43 they work Nov 01 21:26:46 ? :) Nov 01 21:26:56 PaulFertser: because with html5 you can use the mplayer plugin to play stuff directly Nov 01 21:27:00 PaulFertser: without flash Nov 01 21:27:10 KaffeeJunky123: but with damn javascript. Nov 01 21:27:22 KaffeeJunky123: and yes, i know what html5 is. Nov 01 21:28:14 KaffeeJunky123: nope It doesn't compile. qmake & make giving me errors :| Nov 01 21:28:20 KaffeeJunky123: also you have no choice of codec with html5 on youtube afair. And still no direct link to download etc. With youtube-dl you just use -f 18 or -f 17 and you get nice playable file. Nov 01 21:28:40 Aranel: what doesn't compile? Nov 01 21:28:56 [22:22:01] It's an app named Audelicious, Qt-based and It's for N900 but It's not packaged. Looks very interesting but I couldnt compile it because my lack of scratchbox knowledge. :| Nov 01 21:28:57 [22:24:21] isn't maemo using something like the debian buildsystem? Nov 01 21:29:04 Aranel: and a paste of the compiler errors would be help full as well :) Nov 01 21:29:16 Aranel: or whatever errors you're getting Nov 01 21:29:24 I'm familiar with linux build stuff Nov 01 21:29:32 should work for maemo too :> Nov 01 21:29:38 link would be usefull Nov 01 21:30:05 Aranel: If you show me what you're trying to compile and what errors you get, I might be able to help you Nov 01 21:30:21 and link to source Nov 01 21:31:30 probably some missing dependencies Nov 01 21:31:47 Output: http://paste.org/pastebin/view/24314 | Source: http://mynokiablog.com/2010/03/31/video-qt-based-audelicious-app-music-visualizationappreciation-for-the-nokia-n900/ Nov 01 21:31:56 KaffeeJunky123: jacekowski: Nov 01 21:32:07 Aranel: I'll have a look at it, later Nov 01 21:32:11 in about 30mins Nov 01 21:32:18 ok ^^ Nov 01 21:34:25 Aranel: you should have QtOpenGl installed, but you miss it inside scratchbox. Nov 01 21:36:19 PaulFertser: should I get libqt-opengl or libqt-opengl-dev? Nov 01 21:37:01 Aranel: the latter, and it will pull the former :) Nov 01 21:41:24 ~pr1.3 Nov 01 21:41:24 i heard pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Nov 01 21:41:37 ~flashing Nov 01 21:41:37 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 01 21:48:57 DocScrutinizer: have you made that wiki page? Nov 01 21:51:52 PaulFertser: yay It's compiled! ^^ thank you. Nov 01 21:52:00 Aranel: welcome Nov 01 21:54:18 Yesterday my friend showed me his N810 with telescope (sane app-launcher), some other goodies, modified hildon-desktop, cool programs and games and nice "white text, black BG" theme. And i realized that even though i spent quite some time messing with n900's kernel i am completely clueless about how to make the device enjoyable to me :| Nov 01 21:55:34 and It works like a charm. Time for me to package it. Nov 01 21:56:29 Aranel: ah you solved it already Nov 01 21:56:32 missing library I guess? Nov 01 21:56:47 PaulFertser solved it in fact, yup, missing libqt4-opengl Nov 01 21:57:22 hm is kexec supposed to work in madde qemu? Nov 01 21:57:47 PaulFertser: why do you think N810 is more enjoyable than N900? N900 has got nice apps and games too (webos,ovi,free ones) too? Nov 01 21:59:25 Aranel: it's not. I meant he is no programmer but he can enjoy what he has. And i'm kinda programmer (means more capable at tweaking) and i can't enjoy what i have. And btw, N900 is somewhat better but at the same time worse comparing to n810: smaller screen, less keys, smaller, less comfortable keyboard. Nov 01 21:59:38 Aranel: and no usb host support (though this might change soon). Nov 01 21:59:52 but also faster cpu, 3g modem, camera Nov 01 22:00:18 jacekowski: nope. Thought Myrtti will do Nov 01 22:00:39 Myrtti: Nov 01 22:00:53 PaulFertser: who cares about the keyboard when developing Nov 01 22:00:57 kerio: camera worth little to me, i can't see decent usecases in my real life for it. Faster cpu -- slightly faster, yes. 3g -- a considerable advantage but somewhat mitigated if you have a 3g-equipped cellphone in your other pocket with bluetooth connection. Nov 01 22:00:58 PaulFertser: yeah but N900 is more like a mobile phone compared to N900, so I think smaller screen, smaller keyboard and overall "small" thing is acceptable. Nov 01 22:01:11 compared to N810* Nov 01 22:01:14 PaulFertser: also it's better then the iPhones onscreen keyboard XD Nov 01 22:01:23 Aranel: i'd prefer bigger cellphone, n810 would be just ok for me. Nov 01 22:01:44 btw. why internet browsing on phone is a lot slower than on laptop connected to that phone Nov 01 22:01:57 even though cpu load isn't anywhere close to 100% Nov 01 22:02:12 it's just like it's loading it slowly because it likes to Nov 01 22:02:16 PaulFertser: does usb host mode works good on N810? You can use flash drives on N900, and I heard MohammadAG got a CD Writer to work and someone else got a keyboard working. Nov 01 22:02:21 KaffeeJunky123: some people claim resistive touchscreens are so inferiour comparing to capacitive... But i'd prefer resistive still. And my daily phone is Freerunner which has a much smaller and less comfortable on-screen keyrboard only. Nov 01 22:02:38 PaulFertser: SAW Nov 01 22:02:41 hm Nov 01 22:02:50 no ota for 1.3 Nov 01 22:02:55 if somebody can perfect technology Nov 01 22:02:57 Macer: there is Nov 01 22:03:02 ? guess i will flash Nov 01 22:03:09 Macer: just not very compatible with extras repos Nov 01 22:03:14 Macer: disable all additional repos Nov 01 22:03:18 Macer: and it should work Nov 01 22:03:20 oh lol Nov 01 22:03:26 Macer: but i lost sound after doing ssu Nov 01 22:03:33 screw that... i will just reflash Nov 01 22:03:38 ;) Nov 01 22:03:49 i think i need to anyways Nov 01 22:04:03 Aranel: usb host mode works nicely on n810 (but i guess current is limited to 100mA comparing to 200mA on n900). And hostmode support on n900 is in alpha stage, i'm still to find the proper way to switch between low, full and high speed devices and to solve some other minor glitches. Nov 01 22:04:10 have random screw ups.. surprised a 1.3 came out Nov 01 22:04:17 was unexpected Nov 01 22:04:45 profilemdesktop?m lol Nov 01 22:04:45 i wonder if meego works on the n900 yet Nov 01 22:04:49 I got my n900 last week and I imedietly flashed it with pr1.3 Nov 01 22:05:00 works good so faar Nov 01 22:05:06 KaffeeJunky123: did you immediately install notmynokia after that? Nov 01 22:05:17 stupid m key seems to always get in the way :) Nov 01 22:05:33 i should check up on meego Nov 01 22:05:58 PaulFertser: nope, is that an application to erase the previous owners data? Nov 01 22:06:05 i still want a profile desktop Nov 01 22:06:48 PaulFertser: well, I thought Maemo 4 community is already dead after N900 release, but It seems like It's not. surprised :) Nov 01 22:07:08 KaffeeJunky123: no, that's an application to somewhat rectify the evil move by the shitheads at nokia who decided privacy of their users is not something they need to care about: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription Nov 01 22:09:13 ah Nov 01 22:09:23 so my mobiles number is registered with nokia... Nov 01 22:10:33 KaffeeJunky123: yep Nov 01 22:10:48 nice move with pr1.2 Nov 01 22:11:05 yeah /me got a text message when the 1.3 update was avaliabe Nov 01 22:11:41 what do they do with those numbers? Nov 01 22:11:52 geoprofiling? Nov 01 22:12:07 :> Nov 01 22:12:10 text ppl about updates? Nov 01 22:12:23 still no pr1.3 for UK-generic ? Nov 01 22:12:40 i have somehow avoided my nokia o.O Nov 01 22:13:32 no idea how but i'm not registered and had n900 since pr1.0 Nov 01 22:14:12 ofc you didn't subscribe Nov 01 22:14:23 I didn't subscribe either Nov 01 22:14:31 you just get a small notification about it Nov 01 22:14:44 and this notification is an sms Nov 01 22:14:55 so they do have your phone number :X Nov 01 22:14:57 well, I didnt get that message about 1.3 update, and I didnt get any notification at all. Nov 01 22:15:15 same here Nov 01 22:15:16 maybe they failed to send it to me, or sth wrong with my GSM carrier :) Nov 01 22:15:38 soltys: just because of some freaking law you island ppl have you are in need specialties... flash global version for g. sake Nov 01 22:16:03 chem|st: I'm not from UK only my n900 comes frome there ;) Nov 01 22:16:06 *from Nov 01 22:16:14 what law? Nov 01 22:16:26 soltys: why didn't you reflash then? Nov 01 22:16:36 why Nokia always giving updates for UK late? I remember they did the same thing when PR1.2 arrived. Nov 01 22:16:59 nox-: no idea but there is no other reason than law to make different fw versions Nov 01 22:17:10 Aranel: Maybe the sms was catched by your spam filter Nov 01 22:17:10 why don't you flash using your computer? Nov 01 22:17:11 chem|st: I don't have time for it.. and maybe some day there will be update ;) Nov 01 22:17:26 Aranel: because nokia uk are shit/crap/nonexistant/take your pick Nov 01 22:18:18 andax: I don't have a spam filter for SMS messaging. Nov 01 22:18:52 soltys: without more interaction than: start flashing, start recovering backup and a few taps a total of 10 minutes of your time Nov 01 22:19:02 well I wonder what is different on UK version anyway, It's the same N900 with same bugs and features, what makes UK ones different? Nov 01 22:19:27 in terms of functionality, nothing Nov 01 22:19:48 maybe you'll get a free pair of rubber boots with the UK version ;) Nov 01 22:20:16 Aranel: different fm frequencies? wifi channels? gsm transmitter power? Nov 01 22:21:10 The UK version comes in a protective case made from a heinz baked bean can. Nov 01 22:21:14 Aranel: the last one would need another firmware for the gsm/gps module Nov 01 22:21:46 SpeedEvil: with biohazard in green letters sprayed Nov 01 22:22:16 anyone familiar with pulseaudio rtp sink? Nov 01 22:22:31 yeah but those frequencies,channels and gsm transmitter power is not changing on every update. Nov 01 22:22:44 Aranel: i only need a sms spam filter to shut up nokias annoying sms stuff Nov 01 22:23:08 andax: lol you can unsubscribe from it cant you? Nov 01 22:23:43 ofc Nov 01 22:23:53 but they'll make random prank calls anyways Nov 01 22:24:08 lol Nov 01 22:24:15 Aranel: yet all but pr1.1.1 have updated drivers and firmwares of most chips Nov 01 22:24:21 no i cant and my phone provider cant block it because nokia somehow sends them without sender numbersen Nov 01 22:24:27 "Hello? Mr. KaffeeJunky123? PRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRRR" Nov 01 22:24:39 "Hello, so you bought a nokia phone, do you happen do be in need of a pair of rubber boots?" Nov 01 22:24:44 -en Nov 01 22:24:44 something like that prolly Nov 01 22:24:53 Nokia rubber boots Nov 01 22:24:56 we all know them Nov 01 22:25:43 I guess you guys got a pair too, right? Nov 01 22:25:46 rofl Nov 01 22:25:48 everyone should have some Nov 01 22:27:37 andax: I'm pretty sure you can. from My Nokia applet on Settings? It will cost you another SMS, It worths :) Nov 01 22:27:41 rubber boots could shield your feets from heavy electromagnetic fields :) Nov 01 22:27:52 ...i guess Nov 01 22:28:42 It's ironic how you find privacy breach funny instead of offensing :| Nov 01 22:28:43 Rubber boots do not shield from EM. Nov 01 22:28:46 They are transparent. Nov 01 22:30:29 you will get used to it. Nokia does it, Apple does it, Google does it. Nov 01 22:30:37 Aranel: i deleted my account but they still send me weekly n00b hints via SMS which are frightening me Nov 01 22:31:45 andax: :| well, your last option is calling them and threatening them with a lawsuit. I bet It will work. Nov 01 22:33:01 * Aranel is lucky Nokia Turkey doesn't even care about him a little bit to send spam crap. Nov 01 22:33:21 Hello everyone Nov 01 22:33:39 please, is there ovi maps 3 already available for Maemo 5? Nov 01 22:33:55 I remember that Nokia promised it after releasing N900 Nov 01 22:34:00 hi sh0gunk0_ Nov 01 22:34:03 lol Nov 01 22:34:06 got a link to that piece of fiction? Nov 01 22:34:41 maemo... 6? Nov 01 22:35:04 so only ovi 1 currently? Nov 01 22:35:13 but ovi maps 1 is piece of crap Nov 01 22:35:19 yeah, whatever is available Nov 01 22:35:28 yeah, ovi maps 1 is nothing special Nov 01 22:35:32 ovi maps for symbian and ovi maps for maemo dont use the same versioning. Nov 01 22:35:38 afaik It's a different app from Symbian one. Nov 01 22:35:53 so ovi for maemo 5 is still being updated? Nov 01 22:36:00 ovi maps * Nov 01 22:36:02 yes Nov 01 22:36:05 not in a while iirc Nov 01 22:36:10 hm Nov 01 22:36:13 maybe bug fixes, Nov 01 22:36:17 i haven't seen a new version Nov 01 22:36:24 does it have search for places? Nov 01 22:36:31 ofc Nov 01 22:36:34 yeah Nov 01 22:36:47 here's a better option: Sygic. Nov 01 22:36:54 lol Nov 01 22:36:55 walk GPS navigation? Nov 01 22:37:09 Sygic is better... Nov 01 22:37:13 it's only great function is, It doesn't suck. unlike the official one. Nov 01 22:37:13 hm Nov 01 22:37:15 but that's a pretty low bar Nov 01 22:37:37 Aranel++ :-) Nov 01 22:38:55 .. can I use this minute of silence to post nonsense trolling? :P Here: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A67ZkAd1wmI Nov 01 22:39:35 wtf? Nov 01 22:39:39 maybe It will make you smile, and forget about the maps app. Nov 01 22:39:52 It makes me angry anyway. Nov 01 22:40:01 lol Nov 01 22:40:07 rofl Nov 01 22:40:45 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fFm8TsYG0-I <- much better song Nov 01 22:41:10 hmm Nov 01 22:41:58 right, better "song" Nov 01 22:42:16 lol Nov 01 22:42:38 `This video contains content from Muyap and Sony Music Entertainment. It is not available in your country.' Nov 01 22:42:45 stupid geoblocking :( Nov 01 22:45:51 Do I have to make an icon for my package to push it to Extras? Nov 01 22:46:00 Aranel: how do i pass such URL from xchat to zoutube? "!zoutube %s"? unfortunately i cant try via console because the console cant find zoutube Nov 01 22:46:33 dunno :| I don't use zoutube Nov 01 22:46:40 :/ Nov 01 22:47:26 zoutube works for anyone? Nov 01 22:48:19 jacekowski, DocScrutinizer: you can wait until cows come home, but I aint touching no wikipages ;-) Nov 01 22:48:47 Myrtti: you said yesterday that you will Nov 01 22:48:50 and while you're waiting (do remember to breathe!) I'm going to bed Nov 01 22:48:55 jacekowski: the hell I did Nov 01 22:49:03 good night Nov 01 22:49:05 Myrtti: do you want me to quote it? Nov 01 22:49:17 DocScrutinizer: can you hit him with a stick? Nov 01 22:49:38 nox-: It looks like working ok for me. Nov 01 22:50:21 * nox- tries again Nov 01 22:52:42 * nox- can tap on `play' as much as i want and nothing happens Nov 01 22:52:48 adam geiss is one of my minor heroes "Generating Complex Procedural Terrains Using the GPU" Download Demo & Source Code http://www.geisswerks.com/about_terrain.html Nov 01 22:53:02 `download' too Nov 01 22:53:41 Hi all Nov 01 22:54:08 managed to build pingus, but the optification doesn't seem to work :-( Nov 01 22:54:33 any help ? Nov 01 22:55:46 nox-: oops, It's not working. It's unresponsive after pressing Play or Download. Nov 01 22:56:43 *nod* Nov 01 23:00:18 i fired up xplanet, it runs but doesnt appear correctly. It only appears for a few milliseconds while closing a window. Nov 01 23:00:28 where should I put the .desktop file to make it show on main menu? Nov 01 23:00:41 ah well. i'm installing 1.3 now Nov 01 23:00:48 doesn't look like there was much done to it Nov 01 23:00:54 but i suppose an update is an update Nov 01 23:01:25 Some ideas how xplanet it can be set to be on real desktop background? Nov 01 23:10:21 http://noknok.tv/2010/01/22/free-ovi-maps-3-03-on-the-nokia-n97-and-nokia-n900/ Nov 01 23:10:37 "If you’re a Nokia N900 user, which runs Maemo 5 rather than Symbian, thankfully support is on its way." Nov 01 23:10:43 that's not official nokia statement Nov 01 23:10:46 January 22, 2010 Nov 01 23:10:47 aha Nov 01 23:10:48 ok Nov 01 23:17:35 evening all Nov 01 23:18:59 is meego worth trying it yet? Nov 01 23:19:44 * lardman|home wonders how to set a PythonQt stdout redirect class Nov 01 23:21:33 don't ever sleep Nov 01 23:21:34 you wake up in a different universe Nov 01 23:21:59 i went to sleep two days ago Nov 01 23:22:05 and woke up in different time zone Nov 01 23:22:19 I went to sleep last night and ended up at the start of a working week Nov 01 23:22:29 good night Nov 01 23:22:35 night jacekowski Nov 01 23:23:54 have Nokia already implemented sim toolkit support in newer Maemo versions? Nov 01 23:24:06 I used N900 in eraly version and it didn't have it Nov 01 23:24:19 not that I know of Nov 01 23:24:23 ohhh Nov 01 23:24:33 that a really simple basic GSM function Nov 01 23:24:39 whats the problem Nov 01 23:24:52 what do you want to be able to do? Nov 01 23:24:53 pupnik, you listen to popwelt.de shows too? :) Nov 01 23:25:18 receive encrypted messages from my bank account Nov 01 23:25:21 sim toolkit required Nov 01 23:25:53 it is a function which has been available on very very old Nokia phones Nov 01 23:25:53 hmm, I wonder if telepathy could help you there, as it handles the sms stuff Nov 01 23:26:00 afaiu Nov 01 23:26:58 nox-: what is that Nov 01 23:27:24 n900s at 350 euro are pretty darn tempting Nov 01 23:28:06 pupnik, a radio show thats kinda left over from old days, he's a storyteller... Nov 01 23:28:17 ty nox- is it playing now? Nov 01 23:28:22 I bought 5 months old N900 for 180 brittish pounds today. Very good condition, valid warranty receipt, everything included, box accessories etc. Nov 01 23:28:29 no, only sundays 2300cet Nov 01 23:28:34 very nice sh0gunk0_ Nov 01 23:28:37 radio bremen eins Nov 01 23:28:54 (well show starts at 2200 but the stories start at 2305) Nov 01 23:29:02 only usb input is somehow broken, as on lots of N900 happens Nov 01 23:29:08 boo Nov 01 23:29:15 but since I have the receipt with valid IMEI etc. I can have free repair in Nokia service Nov 01 23:32:13 was it a good deal? Nov 01 23:35:03 anyone an idea how to connect pulse to a rtp/multicast? Nov 01 23:37:30 sh0gunk0: yeah, usb is somewhat broken here too, and the backlight sometimes flickers Nov 01 23:39:09 night chaps Nov 01 23:40:20 Hello Nov 01 23:40:31 Can the N900 soon call with ubuntu mobile? Nov 01 23:40:44 sh0gunk0: I think you made a good deal Nov 01 23:40:59 sh0gunk0_: STK/SAT is all but simple. In fact it's even more difficult to implement in smartphones than on "very old phones". STK by definition needs full control over the whole MMI, and full control means the SIM "directly" controls display in LCD and input from kbd/ts. Friggin hard to implement in a Application-Proceesor + dedicated modem with own OS system architecture Nov 01 23:41:40 lolcat: since they can use the meego stack it should be trivial, we I have no idea what they are doing Nov 01 23:41:46 SIM is connected to modem processor only, and LCD is connected to AppProcessor only Nov 01 23:42:03 valdyn: Meego? Nov 01 23:42:14 lolcat: yes? Nov 01 23:42:15 Meego stack* Nov 01 23:43:03 lolcat: im saying that ubuntu mobile can use whatever meego uses, if they want to. Meego already has calling support. Nov 01 23:44:31 Really? So meego is more open-source than maemo? Nov 01 23:44:43 lolcat: yes Nov 01 23:45:07 Is it bether? Nov 01 23:46:04 lolcat: meego is a free software project. It's not in a state that makes it suitable for end users, but you can install it. Nov 01 23:46:36 So Ubuntu mobile is bether? Nov 01 23:46:48 lolcat: i have no idea Nov 01 23:47:39 lolcat: looks to me that ubuntu mobile is for tablets, not phones Nov 01 23:47:59 Hmm Nov 01 23:48:10 Can I run maemo on my desktop? Nov 01 23:48:18 * lolcat misses his N900 Nov 01 23:48:29 lolcat: yes, but why would you do that? Nov 01 23:48:36 CAN I HAS MAEMO ON DESKTOP Nov 01 23:48:50 So i can see the deskto Nov 01 23:49:00 While they are fixing my phone Nov 01 23:51:01 lolcat, they have screenshots available for that Nov 01 23:54:40 Could I run maemo on a 600mhz duron? Nov 01 23:54:56 If I just get a simcard reader, I can have an awesome phone Nov 02 00:00:26 lolcat, you'd be better off with mer probably Nov 02 00:00:36 since maemo consists of a lot of closed components Nov 02 00:11:27 have n900's gone out of production yet? Nov 02 00:11:39 i.e. when will they run out in the regular channels? Nov 02 00:13:57 nokia store still sellin em Nov 02 00:15:13 hmm, ordering 999 costs 423,576 euro Nov 02 00:15:36 Do you get any free styli? Nov 02 00:18:18 free shipping Nov 02 00:19:59 damn, you busted their stock. It didn't even give me 10 :-P not a single one Nov 02 00:21:59 * SpeedEvil imagines a 120" screen made from a wall of n900s. Nov 02 00:23:49 SpeedEvil: I figured this to be a nice use for the remaining FR on stock :-D Nov 02 00:24:22 also, beowulf :-D Nov 02 00:24:27 :) Nov 02 00:24:48 A beowulf cluster rendering a beowulf movie. Nov 02 00:25:20 and displaying it on a 120" screen made of quite some tiles Nov 02 00:27:25 :nod: Nov 02 00:27:30 ~ (120 / 3.9) ** 2 Nov 02 00:27:30 946.745562130178 Nov 02 00:27:47 is there already a successor if they no longer ship it? Nov 02 00:28:23 if they do, then there's a successor Nov 02 00:29:32 ok :) Nov 02 00:30:36 btw do you know if kexec is supposed to work in madde qemu? Nov 02 00:31:45 or how you'd swap a kernel there? Nov 02 00:34:25 Hi! Has anyone experienced issues with Swappolube on PR 1.3? Nov 02 00:46:38 here's an idea for Nokia: ship smartphones with user-customizable keyboards. figure out a way to mfgr phones with exactly the symbols people want :P Nov 02 00:47:00 good morning Nov 02 00:57:16 pr 1.4 is out! Nov 02 00:59:08 ~slap ColdFyre Nov 02 00:59:08 * infobot slaps ColdFyre, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Nov 02 00:59:16 ~lart ColdFyre Nov 02 00:59:17 * infobot gives ColdFyre an extra strength ACME sleeping pill, sending ColdFyre to sleep for 150 years, and awakening to seven strange dwarfs and a large apple Nov 02 00:59:22 ~pr1.4 Nov 02 00:59:22 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Nov 02 00:59:32 :o Nov 02 01:32:59 got the maemo 5 sdk installed :) Nov 02 01:33:12 now, i just need to read the docs and see if i can't build and package squid Nov 02 01:55:25 ok looks like kernel-power doesnt work in madde qemu :) Nov 02 02:05:26 i have come to the decision that i may never be able to go to meego Nov 02 02:05:30 it uses RPMs Nov 02 02:05:39 i hate the tools associated with those Nov 02 02:06:13 Gorroth, ok. we'll miss you Nov 02 02:06:32 why? maemo is right here Nov 02 02:06:53 well, when all of us are using meego ... Nov 02 02:06:58 not right away of course :) Nov 02 02:07:23 can't they just get DEBs and make the world a better place? :) Nov 02 02:07:31 * SpeedEvil stabs Gorroth in the face. Nov 02 02:07:38 go die in a fire Nov 02 02:07:59 If 0.01% of users care abou thte packaging, you've _utterly_ failed as a distro. Nov 02 02:08:15 meego users should never care about that sort of stuff. Nov 02 02:08:22 yay! distro flamewars in an already small niche community Nov 02 02:08:34 Sorry - the package manager threads are completely fucking insane. Nov 02 02:09:10 SpeedEvil: it sounds like you have way more of a problem with this conversation than we do Nov 02 02:09:18 see a therapist Nov 02 02:09:55 SpeedEvil: what percentage of maemo users do you think have considered writing and packaging their own software? Nov 02 02:09:56 Gorroth, there's no constructive conversation that can be had on this topic, and yes all of us are tired of it. SpeedEvil expresses it differently than me, but I think we feel about the same about it Nov 02 02:10:20 i mean, obviously maemo failed Nov 02 02:10:28 even by your own standards Nov 02 02:13:58 pwnguin, the reason maemo failed was that there wasn't enough orange Nov 02 02:14:02 more orange = more better Nov 02 02:14:04 pwnguin: I'm unsure. Nov 02 02:14:16 pwnguin: I suspect way under .1% Nov 02 02:14:25 i'm one thinking about making a package. i'm trying to get a squid package made Nov 02 02:14:46 There is however a difference between that, and the packaging in principle. Nov 02 02:15:05 In that with the right setup, the package can be largely automatically created - in whatever format Nov 02 02:15:19 so your solution is some form of meta packaging format Nov 02 02:15:33 That this doesn't happen is a problem not inherently with the package format, but with the tools. Nov 02 02:15:38 no Nov 02 02:15:42 its a problem with namespaces Nov 02 02:15:47 package managers should be setup to make users happy first and developers happy second. honestly, DEBs make developers happier than RPMs, imo, and both do the same for the end-user Nov 02 02:16:11 well, except the RPM-based tools seem to take forever and a day to find a damn package Nov 02 02:16:13 If you're a developer - I have slightly more sympathy. Nov 02 02:16:19 which makes users unhappy Nov 02 02:16:21 ive never gotten a straight answer from the packagekit people on how it will actually solve problems Nov 02 02:16:26 but way too many users raise this as if it matters. Nov 02 02:16:43 Gorroth, there's an equal argument on DEB vs RPM for people writing packages Nov 02 02:16:57 When if it's managed right - the user should never need to care. Nov 02 02:17:30 but seriously, let's just agree to disagree, because *nothing* anyone says here will convince anyone else Nov 02 02:17:51 are there any rpm based distros besides moblin targgeting arm? Nov 02 02:18:01 fedora comes to mind Nov 02 02:18:07 huh Nov 02 02:18:25 not sure if their ARM port is "official" but ... meh Nov 02 02:18:49 obviously this doesnt matter because the real meego phone will be atom based ;0 Nov 02 02:19:11 only time will tell Nov 02 02:19:44 johnx: i beg to differ on convincing people otherwise. if that was the case, we wouldn't have all the package managers in the first place Nov 02 02:20:07 Gorroth: so you can be convinced otherwise? Nov 02 02:20:23 straw man argument there Nov 02 02:20:30 no Nov 02 02:20:33 it is Nov 02 02:20:40 its his point Nov 02 02:20:43 you want a debate Nov 02 02:20:51 no, it's a straw man Nov 02 02:21:03 if you can find one person that can't be convinced, you will think you've won, but it's a logical fallacy Nov 02 02:21:06 the fact that we have multiple package managers is pretty much the perfect example that it's hard to change people to your point of view about this sort of thing Nov 02 02:21:11 thats not a straw man Nov 02 02:21:16 it is Nov 02 02:21:22 pkgtool ftw. Nov 02 02:21:47 the point is, the set of people paying attention to this channel have entrenched positions from which nobody will be lured out of Nov 02 02:22:04 therefore, the argument is fruitless and we should focus on important things Nov 02 02:22:18 like, whether anyone is using connecting to zimbra with n900 Nov 02 02:22:23 All I have to say is Nov 02 02:22:27 ...like how to add more orange to meego, thus making it succeed more betterer than maemo did Nov 02 02:22:29 Gentoo on N900 FTW! Nov 02 02:22:33 heh Nov 02 02:22:36 ewwwww, gentoooo Nov 02 02:22:51 isn't there like a channel for starting distro flamewars? Nov 02 02:23:12 You guys can play with your debs and rpms, I'll build from source and forget about you :p Nov 02 02:23:25 surely there's multiple ebuild formats Nov 02 02:23:44 i heard there is just one: broken Nov 02 02:23:46 hehehe Nov 02 02:23:52 heh Nov 02 02:24:07 I recently came up with a fairly convincing argument for why you can bypass GPL with on-device compilation if you have a trusted computing platform. Nov 02 02:24:28 Ship all your source as an encrypted tarball, and build only when it arrives at customer. Nov 02 02:24:49 sorta like ubuntu+nvidia Nov 02 02:24:54 but with palladium Nov 02 02:25:28 Gorroth, Use Harmattan when it comes. Then you have the best of both worlds (for a little while at least) - MeeGo and DEBs Nov 02 02:25:45 so how awesome is pr 1.3? Nov 02 02:25:52 SpeedEvil, there's some language in the GPL about providing the source in way that most people expect it or something of that nature Nov 02 02:26:02 pwnguin, it's better than falling down some stairs Nov 02 02:26:03 johnx: which doesn't kick in Nov 02 02:26:31 pwnguin, IT IS REALLY... not awesome. Nov 02 02:26:40 Don't leave your N900 on the charger over night Nov 02 02:26:42 johnx: by not distributing binary, but an encrypted source archive in the format that you recieved it - most of the nasty bits of the GPL go away. Nov 02 02:26:48 (with pr1.3) Nov 02 02:26:58 hmm Nov 02 02:27:01 As the 'distributing binary' bits never kick in. Nov 02 02:27:03 the feature set isn't very compelling Nov 02 02:27:08 new libraries Nov 02 02:27:11 Termana: yeah, i'm planning on using it Nov 02 02:27:16 full ovi bs support Nov 02 02:27:19 Termana: i'm gonna keep hope alive! Nov 02 02:27:26 Ovi support! OMG Nov 02 02:27:36 kfgles2 - anyone know whats up with that? kernel-power seems to be missing it? Nov 02 02:27:43 Who cares about Ovi? :p Nov 02 02:28:04 pwnguin: yeah, i didn't notice any difference with pr1.3. Nov 02 02:28:18 Termana: nokia Nov 02 02:28:22 especially the ovi developers Nov 02 02:28:26 i don't. it's too hard to use Nov 02 02:28:41 they need something slick and native like the iOS app store Nov 02 02:28:44 pwnguin, you should probably upgrade to 1.3 anyway, especially if you're considering dual booting MeeGo Nov 02 02:28:54 pwnguin, yeah them and.... that's all :p Nov 02 02:29:21 i tried the netbook meego and was underwhelmed Nov 02 02:29:37 the only thing i'd possibly care about is banshee ratings sync Nov 02 02:29:45 and from what i can tell, that's not gonna happen Nov 02 02:30:04 oh a netbook, i'd probably just go with ubuntu and unity Nov 02 02:30:09 that's me though Nov 02 02:30:24 pwnguin, honestly, I don't give to shits about netbook meego. I only care about ARM/Handset Nov 02 02:30:28 two* Nov 02 02:30:37 right, but that barely booted last i checked Nov 02 02:30:47 pwnguin, you checked a long time ago then Nov 02 02:31:02 june? Nov 02 02:31:04 pwnguin, but it's still not everyday ready just yet Nov 02 02:31:27 pwnguin, it fully boots, it can make phone calls and SMSes, wifi works etc. Nov 02 02:31:34 what about charging? Nov 02 02:31:43 AFAIK, yes Nov 02 02:32:05 Unless it's broke in/just before the 1.1 build Nov 02 02:32:08 it* Nov 02 02:32:48 does the latest meego handset edition have skype? Nov 02 02:33:03 Gorroth, no Nov 02 02:33:07 dang Nov 02 02:33:39 how do you even dual boot with such a tiny flash chip? Nov 02 02:33:50 pwnguin, SD card Nov 02 02:34:02 i thought that was the death by a thousand latencies Nov 02 02:34:15 lol Nov 02 02:34:19 not with a class 6 and aggressive cache settings Nov 02 02:34:23 (or eMMC but that's not the officially supported way, and I wouldn't recommend it anyway, plus you would screw up your Maemo install) Nov 02 02:34:28 hmm Nov 02 02:34:39 nyhacker hackday is coming up Nov 02 02:34:41 havent bought an SD card in a while Nov 02 02:34:44 3 weeks away Nov 02 02:34:48 me either Nov 02 02:34:51 mine is in my nexus one now Nov 02 02:34:52 well, honestly it doesn't work that bad on a Class 2 card, just saying Nov 02 02:35:37 whats this about charging though? joke? Nov 02 02:35:54 pwnguin, no? Nov 02 02:36:16 Termana> Don't leave your N900 on the charger over night Nov 02 02:36:25 pwnguin, oh right for PR1.3 Nov 02 02:36:35 true or false? Nov 02 02:36:41 true Nov 02 02:37:09 so i can dual boot an incomplete os, if i buy another fast SD Card Nov 02 02:37:26 and melt the thing when it runs out of battery Nov 02 02:38:38 If you read through the #maemo logs you'll see some testing has been done. And PR1.3 is not power saving as well as 1.2 when connected to the wallwart charger. So you will potentially wear your N900's CPU out faster (though if you're an overclocker you obviously don't give a shit about this anyway) and potentially wear the battery lifespan down faster Nov 02 02:38:49 hah Nov 02 02:38:49 pwnguin, you have just completely confused two things Nov 02 02:39:17 pwnguin, the don't leave it on the charger over night has nothing to do with MeeGo Nov 02 02:39:34 they're both PR1.3 related Nov 02 02:39:48 No they are not Nov 02 02:40:01 Guys, who among you here use the N900 regularly, not overclocked? Nov 02 02:40:15 me Nov 02 02:40:19 who the hell overclocks and n900? Nov 02 02:40:26 with it's shit battery Nov 02 02:40:28 ebzzry_, before mine got sent to a water grave, I did. And my next N900 won't be overclocked either Nov 02 02:40:30 q3a players? Nov 02 02:40:43 who plays q3a seriously on their phone? Nov 02 02:40:55 With autoaim? Nov 02 02:41:10 pwnguin: With PR 1.3? Nov 02 02:41:11 maybe autoaim Nov 02 02:41:18 i just couldn't imagine the experience being good Nov 02 02:41:30 ebzzry_: i dont overclock, and am considering the upgrade to pr1.3 Nov 02 02:42:00 ebzzry_: i use the n900, but not overclocked, and only on an occasional basis Nov 02 02:42:03 unless i get squid working Nov 02 02:42:15 why squid? Nov 02 02:42:22 personal reasons Nov 02 02:42:51 obviously so it functions as a snoopable wifi AP Nov 02 02:43:11 Ah. With built in side-jacking. Nov 02 02:43:14 if what pwnguin says is as true as it sounds, i don't know anything about that Nov 02 02:43:19 WUT? Schwarzenegger semi-legalized pot? Nov 02 02:43:40 DocScrutinizer, link? Nov 02 02:43:50 TV :-) Nov 02 02:43:51 not yet Nov 02 02:43:58 There is a vote tomorrow Nov 02 02:44:03 Apparantly Nov 02 02:44:10 DocScrutinizer, ;) ah. You could stream it to me? :p Nov 02 02:44:10 and he's not in favour Nov 02 02:44:19 yeah, probably that's why he's going to lose Nov 02 02:44:31 SpeedEvil, oh right. Isn't that like Prop 8 or something? Nov 02 02:44:38 we can rename sacremento new amsterdam Nov 02 02:44:39 i hope prop 19 passes Nov 02 02:44:42 err Nov 02 02:44:43 if it does, i'm going to visit CA Nov 02 02:44:55 19 rather Nov 02 02:45:21 suddenly, CA will realize that its tax problems disappear when it gets lots of visitors Nov 02 02:45:26 8 is about gay marriages (or rather, against them) Nov 02 02:46:12 narcotourism! Nov 02 02:46:27 woooooooo Nov 02 02:46:57 oh dear god... i can't even get away from the prop19 people here Nov 02 02:47:03 Damn, who'd think the country of unlimited madness would same time sentence people to do a life in prison for 3 times found with a joint, and legalize canabis just some 100 miles further Nov 02 02:47:53 .nl also isnt that far from .de... Nov 02 02:48:03 DocScrutinizer: pot is still illegal in california Nov 02 02:48:25 it is no longer a criminal offense, however -- meaning you don't get a trial, you just get a fine Nov 02 02:48:36 no, it isn't. You need a 10 min visit at a doctor to get a "recommendation" Nov 02 02:48:51 pff.... 10min? nah, less time than that Nov 02 02:48:52 if pot is legalized, will the people in prisons for smoking a fatty still stay in prison because it was illegal when they did it? Nov 02 02:49:12 the time it takes to get a medical marijuana prescription depends on how complicated it is to spell your name Nov 02 02:49:18 then buy officially Nov 02 02:49:44 ieatlint: fines are based on criminal law. you are entitled to a trial if you want one Nov 02 02:49:53 Gorroth: not here you aren't Nov 02 02:49:57 they're based on civil law Nov 02 02:50:04 you don't go to a criminal court Nov 02 02:50:04 tomorrow they are just about to go without that "recommendation" Nov 02 02:50:08 you are still entitled to a trial Nov 02 02:50:12 you can just not pay Nov 02 02:50:19 it's on par with a speeding ticket Nov 02 02:50:30 speeding tickets are criminal offenses Nov 02 02:50:32 yeah, try not paying a speeding ticket :) Nov 02 02:50:33 nope Nov 02 02:50:36 yes Nov 02 02:50:40 you should read up on your laws Nov 02 02:50:44 it's called an infraction in CA law Nov 02 02:50:55 which is a criminal infraction Nov 02 02:51:24 im pretty sure the definition of criminal vs civil is who shows up to court Nov 02 02:51:26 it's treated as a civil offence Nov 02 02:51:44 ie, your neighbor doesnt sue you for speeding Nov 02 02:51:46 FATAL: Module kfgles2 not found. Nov 02 02:51:46 and it's the same as 1oz of pot possession now Nov 02 02:51:47 hm Nov 02 02:51:56 okay, well, you try getting a few traffic tickets and see what happens to your driver's license for all those "civil offenses" that are actually criminal offenses Nov 02 02:52:20 but im no lawyer, with no law degree, and no bar exam under my belt Nov 02 02:52:30 * DocScrutinizer wonders what all those canabis consumers that do their time in jail will think when looking outside and see all those other people walk by with joints in their hands Nov 02 02:52:32 the revocation of a driver licence has nothing to do with paying tickets Nov 02 02:52:39 it's based on a point system Nov 02 02:53:03 DocScrutinizer: presumably a governor would issue a blanket pardon Nov 02 02:53:11 a point system written in criminal law Nov 02 02:53:17 you really should learn your basic laws Nov 02 02:53:21 anyway, feel free to try and ask for a trial by jury... you know, because you're guaranteed that for all criminal charges against you Nov 02 02:53:26 you have the right to a trial by jury or judge Nov 02 02:53:42 and you are protected by the 5th amendment Nov 02 02:53:50 it is definitely a criminal offense Nov 02 02:54:20 and the officer has the right to arrest you for it Nov 02 02:54:27 the 5th amendment doesn't apply to california courts man :P Nov 02 02:54:32 only federal Nov 02 02:54:41 parts of it are replicated in state law Nov 02 02:54:46 such as right not to incriminate yourself Nov 02 02:55:00 the 5th amendment applies to ANY criminal proceeding Nov 02 02:55:14 ... in federal court Nov 02 02:55:20 in any court Nov 02 02:55:32 you better hope you never get arrested. the cops are going to talk you out of your rights Nov 02 02:55:54 heh, you're woefully misinformed Nov 02 02:56:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fifth_Amendment_to_the_United_States_Constitution Nov 02 02:56:38 sorry, i'm basing my views on what a friend who passed the bar in california has told me, what i know from friends who have gotten infractions, and what the associated press reports Nov 02 02:56:43 no, you're honestly not very smart with your rights Nov 02 02:56:44 I can only comment on Australia, but here it is a criminal offence. Civil offences are torts against another civilian. Criminal offences are against Her Majesty, The Queen of England II (Regina)/Governor-General/State. Nov 02 02:57:18 isn't that the 1. § in american right: "you don't have to be informed" ? Nov 02 02:57:22 Gorroth: case in point.. if i go to small claims court and sue you for $50, are you entitled to a jury? Nov 02 02:57:44 ieatlint: that is a civil matter Nov 02 02:57:48 you are damn confused Nov 02 02:57:55 Gorroth: is that a yes or no? Nov 02 02:58:22 it is irrelevant Nov 02 02:58:27 it is a civil matter Nov 02 02:58:55 no, it's a convenient example to show that california law is sovereign from federal law Nov 02 02:59:29 well, the 14th amendment complicates that Nov 02 02:59:39 no, sorry, you are trying to quote the 10th amendment, but that is wrong Nov 02 02:59:39 criminal is individual sued by authority, civil is individual vs individual (though sometimes virtual entity) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Nov 02 02:59:57 2010