**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Nov 04 02:59:57 2010 Nov 04 03:04:58 Does anybody have the link to the document describing how to turn /usr into a separate partition? Nov 04 03:10:45 I am trying to use https://addons.mozilla.org/af/mobile/addon/52490/ this ... but the documention is clearly not for the mobile one. is there any other hidden menu / toolbar i can look at in Firefox? I found so far the left and right side already.... Nov 04 03:50:24 Everybody see sivang's email on -community? Nov 04 03:50:39 is there any field test mode in N900?? Nov 04 03:51:20 like *3001#12345#* Nov 04 03:52:34 GAN900, nope. was it today? Nov 04 03:56:14 good morning Nov 04 03:58:27 rokr1: to do what? Nov 04 04:04:44 johnx, 10/27 Nov 04 04:05:08 yeah. found it eventually Nov 04 04:05:23 not going to dublin though, so I stopped reading at that point Nov 04 04:05:27 Ah Nov 04 04:05:29 Too bad Nov 04 04:05:34 maybe next year Nov 04 04:14:39 I'm having problems with my N810's low volume. I am using mediabox with the volume all the way maxed out, but still too quiet. I just flashed to latest OS2008. Any suggestions? Nov 04 04:16:26 http://portablespeakerreview.com/battery-powered-speakers/x-mini-2-capsule-speaker/ works for me. Nov 04 04:16:29 doh Nov 04 04:16:31 he left. Nov 04 04:17:07 chx, he's also having problems with his attention span :) Nov 04 04:17:16 :D Nov 04 04:26:09 Sorry about that. Accidentally closed the window. Nov 04 04:26:11 I'm having problems with my N810's low volume. I am using mediabox with the volume all the way maxed out, but still too quiet. I just flashed to latest OS2008. Any suggestions? Nov 04 04:43:45 KombuchaKip: http://portablespeakerreview.com/battery-powered-speakers/x-mini-2-capsule-speaker/ works for me. Nov 04 04:47:04 wow Nov 04 04:47:18 opera mobile has gotten pretty great in maemo Nov 04 04:47:26 almost seems better than microb Nov 04 04:47:56 anybody know of a reliable way to update flash? Nov 04 04:48:07 chx: Those look great, but I sadly won't have time to get them even if I ordered them now in time for the party where I'm using my N810 for jukebox. Nov 04 04:48:39 jukebox..??? party???? then you surely have some amp and speakers? what? Nov 04 04:54:57 hm Nov 04 04:55:07 android font is nice in xterm Nov 04 05:05:13 anybody know of any other phones that can vid chat over gtalk or skype with a front cam? Nov 04 05:06:11 chx: Yes, I have some external speakers and an amp, but I'd rather not have to crank that up just in case something funny happens. Nov 04 05:13:19 KombuchaKip: You could try softvol maybe... Haven't tried it on maemo but mplayer has softvol and softvolmax parameter Nov 04 05:13:48 KombuchaKip: It's better to turn up the amp volume though I'd think, rather than do it in software like that. Nov 04 05:14:00 krayon: I would, but my mplayer keeps crashing whenever I play an ogg file. So I uninstalled it and do mediabox playback via gstreamer backend instead. Nov 04 05:14:06 krayon: Yes, I think you're right. Nov 04 05:31:43 well, good news Nov 04 05:31:53 i finally successfully built a working squid package for the n900 Nov 04 05:32:22 it's definitely only ready for extras-devel right now, but it does the basic work of a proxy Nov 04 05:32:34 seems to miss the cache 100% of the time though; i probably configured it wrong Nov 04 05:38:45 Hi, all Nov 04 05:40:17 So, just out of curiosity... in shell-scripting, $? gets the return value of the last command/function. Lets say I have a "complex" command like: "fsck -p -v /dev/ubi0_0 2> /tmp/fsckstatus & pid=$!" - How would I get the return value for the first part(i.e. fsck)? Nov 04 05:45:39 oh. have a power save mode checkbox for the brightness in maemo? why didnt i see that before? Nov 04 05:45:51 that auto dimming feature drives me nuts Nov 04 05:47:29 need a better applet. this 5 box thing. 4 is too dim and 5 is too bright :) Nov 04 05:49:00 ^^ Nov 04 05:49:25 anybody using the bt hid scripts? Nov 04 05:50:44 was wondering if anybody here has been using a bt kb on their n900 with the scripts. i kind of wanted to try one out Nov 04 05:53:53 RobbieThe1st: save to return value to variable after the command Nov 04 05:54:17 um... Can you give me an example please? Nov 04 05:54:28 example; fsck; pid=$?; fscstatus Nov 04 05:57:07 In this case, I think I could make that work, but what I'm trying for is something that: A, runs a command in the background and sticks the pid in a variable, and B, once the command is done, gives me the return variable Nov 04 05:57:45 I have a loop providing data onscreen while the original process is working, which is what the pid is for Nov 04 05:57:57 Also, through that I know when the process exits. Nov 04 05:58:36 But, I'd like to be able to get the return code once it's done also... Hm.. Nov 04 06:08:15 RobbieThe1st: wait will give you the return code I THINK Nov 04 06:08:33 RobbieThe1st: um, if this is a BASH script anyway. Nov 04 06:10:37 RobbieThe1st: The problem is you want to capture it's value after it terminates but NOT interrupt processing in the meantime :/ Nov 04 06:10:44 Yea Nov 04 06:10:57 RobbieThe1st: I don't think this will work: cmd & pid=$!; while [ func_pidexists($pid) ]; do func_dostuff(); done; wait $pid Nov 04 06:11:26 hey... c++ question (probably c too). if i want to build a hash table entirely with static content at compile time, is there a way to do it so the table is built into the finished binary instead of having the client rebuild the identical table each time? Nov 04 06:11:32 if wait $pid returns the code, that'll work fine Nov 04 06:11:43 Everything else I have working Nov 04 06:11:46 RobbieThe1st: Yes but I think pid must still be running when you call wait Nov 04 06:11:53 RobbieThe1st: Maybe not though Nov 04 06:12:13 RobbieThe1st: Otherwise I'd probably put that in another shell and pass it to yourself via a pipe or whatnot :/ Nov 04 06:12:18 man page time Nov 04 06:13:53 Nah, that won't do it - wait won't return $pid's exit code anyway I don't thinl Nov 04 06:14:36 Also, I'm somehow going to have to port what I need into a busybox/ash based ramdisk chroot, no matter my solution Nov 04 06:16:25 I wonder if something like "fsck; code=$? & pid=$!" would do it.. Nov 04 06:17:44 RobbieThe1st: No it'll hang on the fsck Nov 04 06:17:53 Darn Nov 04 06:19:17 RobbieThe1st: wait does work if the pid exists I'm pretty sure (provided it's YOUR shell's child that is) Nov 04 06:21:50 RobbieThe1st: Actually... Nov 04 06:21:54 RobbieThe1st: It does work! Nov 04 06:22:05 Hm Nov 04 06:24:48 RobbieThe1st: http://pastebin.com/9TbfJuxL Nov 04 06:24:53 RobbieThe1st: Works using a function at least Nov 04 06:24:58 RobbieThe1st: Should work with another command Nov 04 06:30:02 Hm, now the second problem - making it work with busybox's ash and a minimum of hassle Nov 04 06:30:46 RobbieThe1st: Ah, there I cannot help, _bash_ is my friend :P Nov 04 06:31:00 Yea, true. Nov 04 06:31:29 Believe me, things would have been so much easier with bash, but Nokia chose busybox as there built-in shell, so that's what I'm using... Nov 04 06:31:35 I should have guessed that would work actually,, the wait, due to the fact that it requires the shell you're calling it from to be the parent, makes sense. Nov 04 06:32:28 How about: if [ "$SHELL" != "/bin/bash" ]; then echo "Install bash"; exit 1; fi ? Nov 04 06:32:32 :P Nov 04 06:35:15 Bingo! Nov 04 06:35:24 It works in Ash also! Nov 04 06:36:13 ieatlint, have your build tool create it and stick it in a header? am I missing something? Nov 04 06:36:48 http://pastebin.com/35rs4zvv <- final test, which works Nov 04 06:38:16 And yes, I'm not entirely sure -how- that while-loop works, but it seems to work properly Nov 04 06:41:38 johnx: not something i've done before... mind giving me a url or a keyword or two to search for on google? Nov 04 06:43:25 ieatlint, ah. try giving me a little context :) Nov 04 06:43:45 so your hash table is like a two dimensional array of things, right? Nov 04 06:44:13 i'm working off of qhash, so it's a tad more obfuscated Nov 04 06:45:17 ah, ok. maybe my idea breaks down then Nov 04 06:45:26 is it something you can easily store and get back later? Nov 04 06:45:34 like put on disk and load at runtime? Nov 04 06:46:13 yeah, i could.. but i'd rather not start storing files unless needed Nov 04 06:46:51 would rather the binary be entirely self-contained... the current building of the list is not exactly that difficult (only has a couple dozen items) Nov 04 06:47:33 i just seem to recall from a programing class a long while ago that you could build an object like this at compile time instead of on each run, but i may be on crack Nov 04 06:48:23 well, you can build it, but you need to serialize it and keep it somewhere ... Nov 04 06:48:42 and to build it you need to use some compiled code (I assume?) Nov 04 06:49:23 yeah, serializing the data wouldn't be an issue, but it's not worth doing too much crazy stuff, simpler to just let it be Nov 04 06:49:53 so, at build time the steps are: compile hash-making tool; create hash-table; append hash-table to source-file; compile main-program-with-included-serialized-hash-table Nov 04 06:49:57 pardon the -'s Nov 04 06:50:25 doing that with make shouldn't be all that hard Nov 04 06:52:06 it's obfuscated enough that i'll likely just leave it as is... if i had a much larger set of data, may be worth doing Nov 04 06:52:36 but that would be over-optimization for my current progress :P Nov 04 06:53:16 ^this Nov 04 07:00:06 over-optimization is probably one of the easiest traps to fall into :) Nov 04 07:03:04 indeed Nov 04 07:03:12 i often fall victim to it Nov 04 07:03:15 and bad things happen Nov 04 07:53:26 premature optimization is eeeeeevil Nov 04 07:53:46 and useless, because you end up optimizing stuff that the computer can do easily Nov 04 07:54:04 while the real stuff that seems obvious to you is left unchanged Nov 04 07:56:09 damn Nov 04 07:56:24 i dont think the bt hid scripts from devel work Nov 04 07:56:51 anybody know where i can find some info on how to use it? does the device have to be paired first? Nov 04 07:59:38 Is there a wiki page describing the boot animation? Nov 04 07:59:47 hm maybe it will do something when i pair it and then try to run it. i dont have the kb on me now Nov 04 08:00:07 but trying to run it now without anything.. it starts then closes Nov 04 08:00:07 Macer: in general pairing is necessary for BT devices. Nov 04 08:00:26 PaulFertser: heh. but the hid stuff has a gui Nov 04 08:00:36 2 apps... hid connect and hid watcher Nov 04 08:00:46 Macer: but i'm know nothing about some scripts, i do manually by hand, reading the bluez documentation an sources when i'm unsure. Nov 04 08:00:53 figured the connect one was to pair Nov 04 08:01:01 PaulFertser: yeah.. i used to do that as well Nov 04 08:01:17 i was able to get it to work but if i dont have to do it by hand that would be awesome Nov 04 08:01:29 my n810 just let me pair and turn on the kb Nov 04 08:01:41 Macer: in fact bluez 4.0 d-bus api is so highlevel that any dbus introspection tool would be almost as good as a dedicated UI. Nov 04 08:02:36 heh. yeah you would think Nov 04 08:02:47 but this is what i have to work with ;) Nov 04 08:03:21 i suppose i will have to just pair it up when i get the chance and see if something happens Nov 04 08:03:32 but right now both apps will not run Nov 04 08:03:51 wish i knew what the command was to run them so i could see a log or sometging Nov 04 08:05:02 IOError: [Errno 2] No such file or directory: '/home/user/.bt-hid-devices' Nov 04 08:05:02 found it Nov 04 08:05:34 guess it does have to be paired first then hid connect to set it up... i will work on it later Nov 04 08:05:47 i loved being able to use my su8w with my n810 Nov 04 08:06:17 now if only i could find cups for maemo so i could print from easydeb openoffice heh Nov 04 08:06:36 i could get rid of needing a laptop :) Nov 04 08:07:23 * johnx patiently waits for a nice 7" tablet Nov 04 08:07:43 then I'll hunt down one of those bluetooth foldy keyboards Nov 04 08:07:59 ebzzry: place file in /usr/share/hildon-welcome/media/, name in file /etc/hildon-welcome.d/default.conf Nov 04 08:08:15 krayon: OK. Thanks. Nov 04 08:08:15 am I the only one thinking the nook color will be awfully nice to hack? Nov 04 08:08:35 ebzzry: I can upload a bunch I downloaded from the 54 page forum: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=862712 if you like too :P Nov 04 08:08:53 ebzzry: They are kind of littered through the 54 pages :P Nov 04 08:08:54 krayon: I'd love that. Nov 04 08:09:02 And on hosts like megaupload and stuff :/ Nov 04 08:09:31 =) Nov 04 08:09:41 ebzzry: I'm on a slow link here atm so it may take a little while to upload :/ it's 100mb worth Nov 04 08:10:01 krayon: I'll wait for the links Nov 04 08:10:05 ebzzry: hmm, I know, I'll upload one at a time so you can download and look as they finish :P Nov 04 08:10:23 krayon: cool Nov 04 08:10:26 ebzzry: http://www.quadronyx.org/~krayon/maemo_boot_videos/ Nov 04 08:10:49 krayon: Thanks! Nov 04 08:10:54 ebzzry: They'll appear there when complete :D Nov 04 08:11:07 krayon: Thanks, I'll keep an eye on it. Nov 04 08:12:15 BTW, anybode knows how to properly configure ke-recv to automount USB mass storage devices connected to an n900? I'm too lazy to read ke-recv's sources for that and i found no docs for this software. Nov 04 08:15:25 ebzzry: Did I mention it was REALLY slow :/ Nov 04 08:16:00 ebzzry: At least the d/l should be quick :D Nov 04 08:21:01 krayon: Thanks a lot! Nov 04 08:21:25 ebzzry: I didn't bother getting any that had people's names in them Nov 04 08:22:05 ebzzry: All these are the generic ones only. Worth noting that leetut appears to be happily making people custom boot videos in the event they ask so worth keeping in mind too :) Nov 04 08:23:01 ebzzry: There's about 30 odd I'm uploading now. Nov 04 08:25:05 krayon: OK. I'll keep that in mind. Nov 04 08:36:07 morning Nov 04 08:38:41 ebzzry: OK, done, that's all I've got: http://www.quadronyx.org/~krayon/maemo_boot_videos/ Nov 04 08:40:29 hey guys Nov 04 08:41:44 johnx, get the walgreens one Nov 04 08:41:47 heh Nov 04 08:42:13 they had an android tablet for $99 Nov 04 08:42:32 who cares about android tablets? Nov 04 08:42:49 can probably get maemo or meego on it Nov 04 08:43:02 it has been rooted already Nov 04 08:43:48 * VladNistor-of says hello Nov 04 08:44:01 hello VladNistor-of Nov 04 08:44:15 something weird happened to me this morning, my N900 started saying it has internal errors and it closes the Email appliction Nov 04 08:44:22 hello Venemo Nov 04 08:44:45 i've reinstalled, purged, installed tha modest package Nov 04 08:44:50 it didn't help Nov 04 08:44:58 VladNistor-of: what is your current firmware version on the N900? and what are the last few apps you installed on it? Nov 04 08:45:09 if I run it from command line (modest -s) it segfaults Nov 04 08:45:19 I have Pr 1.3 Nov 04 08:45:21 VladNistor-of: other question: are you overclocking? Nov 04 08:45:55 Venemo, I am overclocking, but not all the time. I wasn't this morning Nov 04 08:46:05 let me check which apps I updated last night Nov 04 08:46:13 VladNistor-of: fw-version? Nov 04 08:46:40 Venemo, i have 20.2010.36-2 Nov 04 08:47:07 VladNistor-of: is the error still present? Nov 04 08:47:20 yes, it is Nov 04 08:47:58 VladNistor-of: well, OCing might be a problem, but not necessarily Nov 04 08:48:05 what is funny is that if I use the terminal and type "root" then modest -s, it opens the app fine, but I can't access MfE inbox, but the other imap ones seem to be fine Nov 04 08:49:02 i last updated the FM Radio player and maybe QMF mail client, i'm unsure Nov 04 08:49:15 hm Nov 04 08:49:38 i'm removing QMF, maybe it will help Nov 04 08:50:00 well I'm not sure Nov 04 08:50:27 I'm supposed to be away from the office today later and tomorrow, so this is the worst time to lose company email :) Nov 04 08:51:00 VladNistor-of: Maybe user data is corrupting it? You could try removing the directory containing the config stuff and re-setup. Nov 04 08:51:38 krayon, i purged the app, so that should have taken care of that, but thanks Nov 04 08:51:43 krayon: How about this for your collection? http://www.4shared.com/video/iGOOBa-d/n900_extremely_short.html?cau2=403tNull Nov 04 08:51:56 VladNistor-of: Does purging apps in maemo also remove user data? Nov 04 08:52:00 VladNistor-of: whatever is the dpkg equivalent of 'rpm -Va', you'd need that I think Nov 04 08:52:14 VladNistor-of: anyways, worst case, use the Backup app to back up your stuff, then ~flashing Nov 04 08:52:17 ~flashing Nov 04 08:52:17 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 04 08:52:27 ~botsnack Nov 04 08:52:27 Venemo: :) Nov 04 08:52:39 i used aptitude, and it said it was removing the config files Nov 04 08:52:54 it did not remove the emails, at least not the IMAP ones Nov 04 08:52:56 ~lol Nov 04 08:52:57 i guess lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. Nov 04 08:53:16 ~stfu Nov 04 08:53:17 :( Nov 04 08:54:09 yeah, flashing isn't really an option right now as I'm on my work window$ machine Nov 04 08:54:30 ~<3 Nov 04 08:54:30 I love you. <3 Nov 04 08:54:32 and i don't have super cow powers Nov 04 08:54:50 No super cow powers? D: Nov 04 08:55:31 VladNistor-of: well there is a Windows version of Flasher Nov 04 08:55:36 RobbieThe1st: Good call, didn't have that one :D Nov 04 08:55:49 don't I need to be admin on windows? Nov 04 08:56:00 Tis my favorite! Nov 04 08:56:06 any JIRA ninjas around? Nov 04 08:56:24 VladNistor-of: I only suggest it because it would make sense if even re-installing didn't work, and because it works as root. That implies to me, configuration in the user space. Nov 04 08:59:24 Macer, the nook color has an omap3621 . MeeGo seems like real possibility with it. Just waiting for someone else to root it for me :> Nov 04 09:06:08 johnx haha Nov 04 09:06:34 i will be happy with my n900 using a btkb without me having to use xterm to do it Nov 04 09:07:01 I'd be happy with a bit more screen real estate Nov 04 09:07:09 when i did it manually i had some messed up things.. like the thing would only work properly with the phone open and stuff like that Nov 04 09:07:10 and I'm not really sold on netbooks Nov 04 09:07:27 heh. yeah but n900 fits in a pocket ;) Nov 04 09:07:50 i would love to ditch a laptop altogether for a good phone and a bt kb Nov 04 09:08:16 the best solution I ever found for that was my E90 + celluon BT laser keyboard Nov 04 09:08:34 n900 is as close as it has gotten. actually. i think my n810 was better for it.. it had cups Nov 04 09:08:37 I have expansionist tendencies when it comes to my desktop. 3.5", 4" or even 5" just isn't quite enough for me ... Nov 04 09:08:41 Problem is you go round in circles because you really want a keyboard that's big enough to type on and before you know it you're carrying a 10" keyboard that weighs the same as a netbook that size anyway :P Nov 04 09:08:53 nidO: my n95 was pretty good Nov 04 09:08:56 nidO, ah. I was wondering about that. how are those to type on? Nov 04 09:08:57 ;) Nov 04 09:09:14 i wanted the cams Nov 04 09:09:17 johnx it takes getting used to and doesnt work on glass surfaces, but once you've used it for a bit, its great Nov 04 09:09:18 krayon, I think I could be happy with a foldable bt keyboard Nov 04 09:09:34 nidO, I think the lack of feedback would make me insane Nov 04 09:09:37 the celluon one I have also has a function to switch the entire keyboard area to a trackpad as well, thats pretty neat Nov 04 09:09:40 nidO: how big is it? Nov 04 09:09:47 for the same reason that onscreen keyboards do Nov 04 09:09:48 johnx: Yeah I'm considering risking that myself, there's a few on ebay for cheapish but I'm not sure if they're up to much :/ Nov 04 09:09:54 you can have it give clicks on keypresses, but obviously theres no tactile response Nov 04 09:10:17 krayon, I had a chance to use one of the stowaway ones. Quite nice actually Nov 04 09:10:28 Macer: when off, its.. i dunno, slightly shorter than the n900, half as wide and perhaps twice as thick Nov 04 09:10:39 wow. not bad Nov 04 09:10:55 about the same size as my su8w it sounds Nov 04 09:10:59 nidO, that sounds awfully close to the size of a folded stowaway bt keyboard ... Nov 04 09:11:10 heh. you beat me to it Macer :) Nov 04 09:11:16 the shitter is though this celluon one at least uses a serial bt connection, so needs a driver to work :< Nov 04 09:11:20 johnx... but typing on it is probably better Nov 04 09:11:30 full size kb for the same size as the bt Nov 04 09:11:43 you do get an almost full size keyboard out of it though Nov 04 09:12:05 minus a separate number pad, but its the same kinda size as your average decent laptop keyboard Nov 04 09:12:09 nidO: have you tried it on the n900? Nov 04 09:12:38 or does it require a driver that maemo doesnt have? Nov 04 09:12:48 yeah, couldnt get it to work. it might be possible with all the manual setup info thats kicking around now but last I tried it I couldnt get the n900 to see it Nov 04 09:13:13 ah that sucks Nov 04 09:13:16 it does "need" a driver as its a serial connection, but supposedly you can work around serial limitations by manually mapping out all the config Nov 04 09:13:32 i was able to get my su8w to work manually but it was a pain and would do stupid things Nov 04 09:13:35 I could get the keyboard to see the n900 though but not the other wayround Nov 04 09:13:45 like only work correctly with the phone open Nov 04 09:14:07 its a shame really as it worked beautifully with my e90 Nov 04 09:14:10 :/ I thought they'd be "standard" HID or something Nov 04 09:14:11 but hopefully these hid scripts do sometging i missed Nov 04 09:14:18 yah.. same with my su8w Nov 04 09:14:31 krakan: HID keyboards are standard Nov 04 09:14:37 worked awesome on my n95 n800 and n810 Nov 04 09:14:46 but like crap with my n900 Nov 04 09:14:49 :) Nov 04 09:14:51 but a lot of keyboards, this celluon one included, use serial bt connections instead which need a driver to map out the keys Nov 04 09:14:55 My Microsoft bluetooth mouse works in Linux without issue at all, although I've not tried on the n900 yet. Nov 04 09:15:01 Oh I see :/ Nov 04 09:16:14 i just want to get to my su8w in a bit to see if these hid scripts work Nov 04 09:16:17 heh Nov 04 09:16:49 it will be nice to be able to just turn it on and be able to use it Nov 04 09:17:07 at least i hope that is what is going to happen Nov 04 09:17:15 i really cant justify a mouse :) Nov 04 09:17:44 hm, have there actually been advances in the past few months then in getting serial bt devices treated like HID and working then? Nov 04 09:18:07 A mouse is a bit pointless, but I'd love to use a bt keyboard for hacking on the move ... Nov 04 09:18:17 ignoring the blurrycam terribleness... http://img2.imageshack.us/img2/3191/26092008038.jpg Nov 04 09:18:29 thats what the laser keyboard looks like, taken a few years ago when i first got it Nov 04 09:18:57 i was actually hoping for more of office use Nov 04 09:19:19 speaking of which. did koffice for nmaemo ever come about? Nov 04 09:19:20 I've seen those, quite neat. Though no tactile feed back. Nov 04 09:19:48 Macer: FreeOffice I think you're looking for. Nov 04 09:19:58 What about these ones, anyone, they are "compatible" with a lot of devices, maybe standard hid? http://cgi.ebay.com.au/ws/eBayISAPI.dll?ViewItem&item=280501624471 Nov 04 09:20:05 really? Nov 04 09:20:13 where is it? does it work? Nov 04 09:20:19 maemo native? Nov 04 09:20:42 Yes, I believe so, read something on tmo. Nov 04 09:21:05 hm. let me look around... it is probably just talk Nov 04 09:21:41 krayon: the fact that it has a specific compatibility list and the photo shows it with a CD stamped "driver" indicates it uses serial bt Nov 04 09:21:58 Heh Nov 04 09:22:21 nidO: I thought that too but it does say ipad and I figured they were not really "install a driver" friendly. Nov 04 09:22:28 alterego: dont mean from you Nov 04 09:22:36 mean it is probably vaporware Nov 04 09:22:36 nidO: PS3 too Nov 04 09:22:57 Macer: yeah, might just be document viewer for all I know. Nov 04 09:23:27 I've not looked into it seriously, I just pick things up from topic titles :) Nov 04 09:23:29 hi alterego Nov 04 09:23:38 Hey Venemo :) Nov 04 09:23:41 hmmm I might risk it, and report back :P God knows I've wasted more money in the past on silly things like Toshiba PocketPC's and my OpenMoko :P Nov 04 09:23:56 it is in devel Nov 04 09:24:04 Venemo: did you manage to get your switch to task switcher button working? Nov 04 09:24:06 let me check it out.. brb Nov 04 09:24:17 freoffice Nov 04 09:24:51 alterego: well it was sufficent that I could find the solution, I didn't bother with it much Nov 04 09:24:58 alterego: lack of time :( Nov 04 09:25:26 faster pkg manager is so much better than the stock one :) Nov 04 09:25:53 er. app manager Nov 04 09:26:18 Venemo: it's just I knocked up an example if you want it. Nov 04 09:26:46 alterego: oh, thanks :) Nov 04 09:27:02 had to help a coleague with shmth Nov 04 09:27:03 whats up with the ovi repo? Nov 04 09:27:13 not that anybody actually uses it but still Nov 04 09:27:42 krayon: Thanks! Nov 04 09:27:43 Venemo: I'll upload it in a bit, just having a coffee. (Not turned on my laptop yet) :) Nov 04 09:27:44 :) Nov 04 09:28:08 alright, so regarding my previous issue, the best suggestions is reflashing I guess... Nov 04 09:28:30 office file viewer Nov 04 09:28:31 ugh Nov 04 09:28:40 so it seems like it is just a viewer Nov 04 09:28:42 is there a way to find out the internal error in the email application, the reason for which it actually closes? Nov 04 09:29:54 Macer: sorry :( Nov 04 09:30:02 VladNistor-of: I still think user data fwiw :P Nov 04 09:30:09 There's always gnumeric and abiword Nov 04 09:30:27 ebzzry: No probs, there's another one there too, the one RobbieThe1st recommended earlier. Nov 04 09:30:34 krayon, what if I were to erase the office email account which seems to not work? would that maybe fix my internal error problem? Nov 04 09:30:56 krayon: Thanks for the tip. Nov 04 09:30:58 hm Nov 04 09:31:08 is abiword and gnumeric in extras? Nov 04 09:31:18 i have devel enabled now Nov 04 09:31:21 Macer: yes Nov 04 09:31:31 VladNistor-of: I have no idea regarding maemo/N900 specifics, however I would try renaming the directory that contains the data and try to run it then. Nov 04 09:31:35 i would prefer not to install devel stuff when possible Nov 04 09:31:49 :) Nov 04 09:31:52 ok. let me disable devel and install abiword and gnumeric Nov 04 09:32:04 Macer: I'm not sure though Nov 04 09:32:08 thanks for your help krayon :) Nov 04 09:32:11 VladNistor-of: I don't have any knowledge of where the email app stores it's config and data however :/ Nov 04 09:32:19 Macer: maybe in -testing Nov 04 09:32:22 Venemo: uhm Nov 04 09:32:28 ~flatbatrecover Nov 04 09:32:29 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Nov 04 09:32:37 i will disable devel and check if not i will try testing Nov 04 09:32:50 hehe, it was the MfE crap, I can now launch the app without it segfaulting or whatnot Nov 04 09:32:55 Macer: check the maemo.org package interface Nov 04 09:33:03 VladNistor-of: glad you solved it :) Nov 04 09:33:11 VladNistor-of: how did you figure it out? Nov 04 09:33:21 yeah, thanks for your help in troubleshooting the issue Venemo, krayon Nov 04 09:33:26 krayon: Just keep uploading and I'll be happy to download them all. Nov 04 09:34:15 Venemo, I ran the "root" "modest -s" commands and it opens the application, but the mail for exchange account wasn't updateing or doing anything, so I just erased it and it now works. I have to set it up again now :) Nov 04 09:34:40 sure wish i wasnt on 3G now Nov 04 09:34:52 VladNistor-of: ah... Nov 04 09:34:52 app manager takes forever Nov 04 09:35:01 VladNistor-of: where does this 'modest -s' come from? Nov 04 09:35:08 Macer, you can switch to edge :) Nov 04 09:35:11 Macer: 'apt-get update' 'apt-get upgrade' Nov 04 09:35:35 Venemo, if you run modest from terminal it says to do modest -s to get it with UI :) Nov 04 09:35:53 Venemo: i dont want to do that Nov 04 09:36:06 Macer: then don't do that Nov 04 09:36:12 VladNistor-of: ah. Nov 04 09:36:18 then it will upgrade everything from testing... :) Nov 04 09:36:36 Venemo, so maemo told me and showed me everything i needed to know, lol :)) Nov 04 09:37:14 VladNistor-of: nice :) Nov 04 09:37:22 yeah. abiword and gnumeric are still both in devel Nov 04 09:37:32 lame sauce Nov 04 09:42:54 They've been in there for ages ... Nov 04 09:43:11 Maybe the author doesn't like the promotion interface like MohammadAG Nov 04 09:45:18 ~flatbatrecover Nov 04 09:45:19 Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover Nov 04 09:45:48 ~botsnack Nov 04 09:45:49 :), Venemo Nov 04 09:47:10 ~MohammadAG Nov 04 09:47:11 it has been said that mohammadag is your father Nov 04 09:47:16 lol Nov 04 09:47:32 rofl Nov 04 09:47:32 Hahah Nov 04 09:48:06 lol Nov 04 09:48:24 exists a small recovery os which runs from a 1 gb sd card? Nov 04 09:48:54 roadi: there is sysrescd which does I think Nov 04 09:49:23 roadi: http://www.sysresccd.org/Main_Page Nov 04 09:49:49 Venemo, I think he might have meant for the N900 or N8x0 :) Nov 04 09:50:00 johnx: oh, sorry Nov 04 09:50:05 well then, I dunno Nov 04 09:50:07 hm Nov 04 09:50:12 where does infobot run from? Nov 04 09:50:39 it runs on a server or someone's PC? Nov 04 09:50:52 I thought I heard about a recovery kernel, but I'm not sure if it actually worked, or if it's even compatible with PR1.3 Nov 04 09:51:07 roadi, can you still boot? Nov 04 09:51:40 ~infobot Nov 04 09:51:57 infobot, infobot is a brilliant bot Nov 04 09:51:58 okay, Venemo Nov 04 09:51:59 DocScrutinizer51: are you coming to meegoconf btw? Nov 04 09:52:02 ~infobot Nov 04 09:52:03 rumour has it, infobot is a brilliant bot Nov 04 09:52:15 I love you infobot , I wish all girls were easy as you Nov 04 09:52:19 sorry, no money, no time Nov 04 09:52:25 DocScrutinizer51: ok Nov 04 09:52:26 johnx: no. Nov 04 09:52:42 ~<3 Nov 04 09:52:42 I love you. <3 Nov 04 09:52:51 sivang: she loves you too Nov 04 09:53:08 Venemo: Ya think so? :) Nov 04 09:53:18 sivang: she said so. Nov 04 09:53:31 Venemo: only because you sent her a heart Nov 04 09:53:32 i still try to recover my bricked n900 without flashing the system Nov 04 09:53:37 sivang: :P Nov 04 09:53:46 roadi: just flash the thing Nov 04 09:53:55 Venemo: Who says it is a she? Maybe it is a hairy guy :) Nov 04 09:54:06 Venemo: and my phone numbers, photos and so on? Nov 04 09:54:31 Hi Nov 04 09:54:33 roadi: backup? Nov 04 09:54:38 X-Fade: sivang said so Nov 04 09:54:47 is on my n900 :( Nov 04 09:55:01 hearts Nov 04 09:55:18 roadi: power the n900 off, plug it in to the USB. it will be recognized as a mass storage device Nov 04 09:55:27 roadi: plug it in a pc, copy stuff, reflash Nov 04 09:55:49 sivang: i did a apt-get dist-upgrade Nov 04 09:56:07 instakl meego on sd, boot meego, mount and backup stuff. Reflash :) Nov 04 09:56:23 alterego: thats what i wanna do right now Nov 04 09:56:43 roadi: so you can't plug into a cp? Nov 04 09:56:45 pc Nov 04 09:56:47 roadi: so now you want to fix it? Nov 04 09:56:56 roadi: I suggest ~flashing Nov 04 09:56:57 DocScrutinizer: yes. Nov 04 09:57:31 btw htere are nice 'soldering points' - does any one take a look for jtag or serial console? ;) Nov 04 09:57:41 DocScrutinizer, I think roadi's priorities are: 1) backup data 2) get the thing booting Nov 04 09:57:53 mompl Nov 04 09:57:54 so flashing kinda screws up his changes of 1) Nov 04 09:58:00 ~mompl Nov 04 09:58:00 i guess mompl is a stupid short form for "moment please" Nov 04 09:58:02 johnx: yes. Nov 04 09:59:30 roadi: it is not recognized when plugged into a pc? Nov 04 09:59:41 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Nov 04 10:00:28 sivang: it is. but not as a mass storage device - only the flash program find it. Nov 04 10:01:17 I think the mass storage mode is provided by the linux kernel Nov 04 10:01:35 roadi: oh :/ Nov 04 10:01:49 roadi: well then remember to make a backup and copy it to your PC every now and then Nov 04 10:02:10 roadi: yes, jacekowski found the testpoints to hook up serial console. We don't know about JTAG Nov 04 10:02:19 roadi, how much effort are you willing to spend on this? Nov 04 10:02:29 roadi: so DocScrutinizer51's link is your best bet I guess Nov 04 10:02:36 johnx: some weeks Nov 04 10:02:42 great :) Nov 04 10:03:52 roadi: get rescue-initrd, backup your things, reflash Nov 04 10:03:59 roadi, I would look at this: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Nov 04 10:04:01 ~bastard Nov 04 10:04:11 and remember to not *flash* that image Nov 04 10:04:16 just *load* it with the flasher Nov 04 10:04:45 well, the flasher command is written verbatim on that wiki page Nov 04 10:05:25 DocScrutinizer: still there is a lot of warning verbatim on the wiki and stil... :) Nov 04 10:05:58 yeah, and some semi-experienced users just type in the argument for flashing without thinking about it Nov 04 10:06:50 die dist-upgrade should be removed from the apt. Nov 04 10:06:55 damn, they know the parameters by heart but don't understand how rescue initrd works? Too bad Nov 04 10:07:25 hehe, good suggestion Nov 04 10:07:36 wait 2 minutes Nov 04 10:07:40 to know whats wrong woudl be a good point for understanding Nov 04 10:07:55 brb - phone call :/ Nov 04 10:08:17 I wish nokia had either spent the time to make dist-upgrade work or at least hacked it out of apt-get ... Nov 04 10:08:23 preferably the former ... Nov 04 10:10:26 roadi: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Nov 04 10:13:27 johnx: it works, sometimes Nov 04 10:13:41 usualy not Nov 04 10:14:01 often works when a maemo upgrade isn't involved Nov 04 10:14:13 has maybe a 1/2 chance of working for a maemo upgrade Nov 04 10:14:19 DocScrutinizer: what machine does infobot run on? Nov 04 10:14:31 tim rikers server I'd guess Nov 04 10:15:01 why? Nov 04 10:18:51 It's annoying how there's no copy link location in microb :( Nov 04 10:19:20 I have to open in new browser, then stop it loading then copy and paste from the location bar. Nov 04 10:20:46 ebzzry: New one: http://www.quadronyx.org/~krayon/maemo/boot_videos/push.avi Nov 04 10:23:05 What is wrong with package "xmp"? I've packaged xmp for Maemo but It seems there's already another version uploaded on maemo.org/packages, which I can not install via apt-get. I tried Maintainer Request too but It refreshes the page everytime I click the "Confirm" button. Nov 04 10:24:50 I got my N900 back today :D Nov 04 10:25:10 woo! Nov 04 10:25:23 nettworker: I know the feeling! congrats! Nov 04 10:25:46 They updated the firmware and reset it :D Nov 04 10:29:22 Venemo: Doh, my sim is in my car, and my prepaid card is empty... Nov 04 10:29:33 nettworker: :( Nov 04 10:32:05 Aranel, you are already marked as maintainer? http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ on both variants (and when did it get added to rootfs?) Nov 04 10:33:11 lcuk: nope, Maintainers: Request to be maintainer of this package Nov 04 10:33:29 Aranel, look who is marked on the bugtracker link tho Nov 04 10:35:05 lcuk: oh, yes It seems It imported the package I created yesterday :| But autobuilder said "ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package xmp provides binary package xmp which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented." weird. Nov 04 10:35:24 lcuk: well I wonder why they added a module player to rootfs too :p Nov 04 10:36:02 lcuk: since I'm not in the Maintainer list, I cannot promote this package :| Nov 04 10:37:42 Aranel, i think X-Fade might be able to shed some light perhaps Nov 04 10:38:15 ok, thanks :) So I'm going to wait for an answer from him. X-Fade: Nov 04 10:39:34 How can I see what ip my maemo device uses? Nov 04 10:39:46 nettworker: ifconfig Nov 04 10:39:48 as root Nov 04 10:40:15 nettworker, or conveniently, add one of the ip widgets Nov 04 10:40:21 You'll probably get a ptp ip though Nov 04 10:40:26 It asks for my password... Nov 04 10:41:34 Aranel: Hmm that looks weird, let me check that... Nov 04 10:43:07 * alterego wonders how long it'll be before mobiles have dual forward facing cameras for "3D" video calling ^.^ Nov 04 10:45:03 well, manufactures will have to find some actual use for the super expensive autostereoscopic screens theyll start putting in phones, so prolly not long! Nov 04 10:46:12 offtopic Nov 04 10:46:15 Aranel: Was a parse error when PR1.3 got imported into the interface. Removed the broken entry. Nov 04 10:46:30 anyone tried sony 350 or 650? Nov 04 10:47:27 the ebook readers? Nov 04 10:48:10 X-Fade: thanks, but I still can't request maintainership, refreshes after confirmation. Nov 04 10:48:28 How did I change the root password? Nov 04 10:48:39 nettworker, install ssh server Nov 04 10:48:53 I don't have internet... Nov 04 10:49:48 make a .deb package on the device that manually applies the root hack as part of its postinst Nov 04 10:50:17 (or download rootsh on a PC, plug the N900 in to USB, then install on the N900) Nov 04 10:50:27 but the second way is boooring Nov 04 10:50:29 nidO yes Nov 04 10:50:41 I used the 600, its really nice Nov 04 10:50:48 afaik the 650 is just an improved version of it Nov 04 10:51:03 nidO i'm confused if 350 is enuf or shoul i buy 650 Nov 04 10:51:52 dont really know the difference tbh, last time i used the range, the 600 was the only touchscreen one and the 300 or so just had buttons and was super basic Nov 04 10:52:05 I see the 350 has a touchscreen as well now though, so no clue what the differences are Nov 04 10:52:24 Aranel: Can you try again? Nov 04 10:53:13 oh the 350 is just the "pocket edition" now? I guess its basically mainly down to size, in which case id deffo have the 650 Nov 04 10:53:19 5" is too small imo Nov 04 10:54:04 nettworker, johnx - "/sbin/ifconfig" runs as user without asking for pass :) Nov 04 10:54:20 nettworker: installing openssh server asks you to set root password Nov 04 10:54:32 lcuk, ah. didn't know why he wanted root :) Nov 04 10:55:11 nidO, just be careful of any sony ereader that has a touchscreen. it really affects the display quality Nov 04 10:55:36 nidO even if it's 100 $, i like small things as they suit the pocket and easier to carry, but not sure if it's cool about readers. we don't have here any of them so wouldn't be able to touch them for myself till i buy (ebay) Nov 04 10:55:38 johnx I didnt really have any problems with the 600 I used, that was the first one they released with touch support Nov 04 10:55:57 nidO, ah. well the non-touch ones look fantastic, then :> Nov 04 10:56:05 johnx not the *50 series Nov 04 10:56:35 yeah they dont actually do any non touch ones any more, they appear to only sell the 350 and 650 now which are both touch Nov 04 10:56:57 950 as well Nov 04 10:57:09 I saw a touch and non-touch next to each other and thought the non-touch display looked a lot better. dunno about the current state of the art. this was 2ish years ago Nov 04 10:57:11 oh, that one's obviously not made it to the uk :p Nov 04 10:57:15 anyways. 'night all Nov 04 10:57:15 ~obama Nov 04 10:57:16 methinks obama is a communist Nov 04 10:57:19 they are using different tech for touch and e-ink so it's readble now Nov 04 10:57:21 :-D Nov 04 10:57:26 ~mccain Nov 04 10:57:26 somebody said mccain was more of the same. Nov 04 10:58:16 ~politics Nov 04 10:58:17 Yerp. Everyone has their own opinion. Please discuss them elsewhere. This is #maemo, not #politics. [If you wanna discuss politics, that's cool, just do it elsewhere.] Nov 04 10:58:41 infobot: thx Nov 04 10:58:42 np, or eeeerrruuusssshhhwwwaaaaaAAAAAAAAA!!!!11 Nov 04 10:58:48 ~slap Venemo Nov 04 10:58:49 * infobot slaps Venemo, keep your grubby fingers to yourself! Nov 04 10:58:54 infobot: lol Nov 04 10:58:54 well, lol is stands for Laughs Out Loud. It is grammatically incorrect to use LOL in the first person; use 'heh' or 'haha' instead. If you want to use LOL, do '/me lol' instead. Nov 04 10:58:57 I kinda hope these real readers dont die out in the face of trash like the nook colour Nov 04 10:58:58 ~venemo Nov 04 10:58:59 venemo is, like, Timur Kristóf, a .NET, C++, Qt developer, author of Sticky Notes for Maemo Nov 04 10:59:08 Morning all ! Nov 04 10:59:16 morning Khertan! Nov 04 10:59:19 Venemo: I like sticky notes :) Nov 04 10:59:22 morning Nov 04 10:59:25 tybollt: hehe thx :) Nov 04 10:59:25 <-- fanboi Nov 04 11:00:17 * Khertan use conboy + desktop command widget + a custom python script to display a Todo note on the desktop :) Nov 04 11:00:47 http://khertan.net/articles/conboy_note_to_text Nov 04 11:00:57 integration between Sticky Notes and Conboy are on the way Nov 04 11:01:17 it's just nor me neither Conny has enough time Nov 04 11:04:01 Venemo: that would be sweet. Nov 04 11:05:01 alterego: :) Nov 04 11:11:24 we agreed with Conny on a D-Bus interface Nov 04 11:13:42 Nice, how will it work?} Nov 04 11:14:47 Venemo: http://alterego.metapath.org/maemo/dbus-sandbox.tar.bz2 Nov 04 11:14:59 That's dbus connected to a button to go to dashboard. Nov 04 11:15:33 To make nice buttons like I'vec done in Columbus, just rip out the button code from rxsupport in the same directory. Nov 04 11:15:58 alterego: thx :) Nov 04 11:16:06 np Nov 04 11:16:10 alterego: Colombus? Nov 04 11:16:18 It's my GPS app Nov 04 11:16:35 Not released, still in development. Nov 04 11:16:43 alterego: oh. Nov 04 11:17:17 alterego: anyway, Sticky Notes will have a D-Bus service which external applications can call to make it display an "external note" Nov 04 11:17:31 Oh, nice. Nov 04 11:18:10 alterego: these will be uneditable, and in place of the "+" button, the calling app's icon appears (specified by Gtk icon name passed to the D-Bus call) Nov 04 11:18:31 Well, it's not a gtk icon ;) Nov 04 11:18:38 It's an application icon presumably ;) Nov 04 11:19:02 alterego: yeah, but that is specified with a "gtk icon name" (like in the .desktop files) Nov 04 11:19:35 alterego: when clicking on this icon, it will either 1) call a specified D_Bus method 2) launch a process with some command line parameters (not decided yet) Nov 04 11:20:17 alterego: so you click in Conboy on the "display on Sticky Note" button, it displays your stuff, but will be uneditable on the desktop. Nov 04 11:20:34 alterego: but then you click on the Conboy icon on the widget which brings up Conboy and allows editing Nov 04 11:21:09 Yeah, that would be neat. Nov 04 11:21:43 alterego: the non-editable thingy is a design decision made to make this generic, plus this way we only have to do one-way converting (from Conboy to HTML) Nov 04 11:21:56 Now, if in Conboy could could set a list as a "To-Do" list, and have stick notes display that, allowing the user to strike off items. I'd love you both forever ;) Nov 04 11:22:10 Data Integration is what makes an amazing application/platform. Nov 04 11:22:22 alterego: well if it will implement strike-through... :P Nov 04 11:22:31 alterego: Sticky Notes has strike-through right now Nov 04 11:22:31 Conboy already does Nov 04 11:22:36 And it's in the HTML markup. Nov 04 11:22:45 alterego: well then, it's a non-issue Nov 04 11:22:47 (I believe it's in the HTML markup) you can certainly do strike through. Nov 04 11:26:58 hi, i have a question... can i delete contacts from my sim card ? because apparently n900 doesnt have that option, running last version of maemo 5 (1.3) thx Nov 04 11:30:50 hi, i have a question... can i delete contacts from my sim card ? because apparently n900 doesnt have that option, running last version of maemo 5 (1.3) thx, anyone ? Nov 04 11:31:29 Airforlife: I have just looed a the gui and I see no way to do that Nov 04 11:31:51 *looked Nov 04 11:31:58 but can you do that with other telephones ? Nov 04 11:32:03 delete contacts from the sim card Nov 04 11:32:10 yes Nov 04 11:32:32 my old nokia 6310 allowed me to do much more with the contact listt Nov 04 11:32:49 The whole 'copy contact to/from SIM' type functionality seems entirely missing from the UI. Nov 04 11:32:57 the n900 contact listing is primitive in the extreme Nov 04 11:32:59 Sometimes it's done implicitly, even if you don't want it to. Nov 04 11:33:13 why isnt there an app for it Nov 04 11:33:16 However, it doesn't bother me, as I have made precisely one call with the n900. Nov 04 11:33:19 or is there ? :) Nov 04 11:33:22 Airforlife: write one ;) Nov 04 11:33:39 Airforlife: apps get written when a dev gets interested, irritated, or paid. Nov 04 11:33:39 right, where can i find the sim api :P Nov 04 11:34:06 SpeedEvil: I really *use* my n900 - calls, sms, internet, sysadmin, running a chroot with web apps in it Nov 04 11:35:07 but the whole aspect of calls and contacts listing is worse than my ten-year-old nokia 6310i Nov 04 11:35:25 so if its worse, it didnt bother (iritate) anyone yet ? :) Nov 04 11:35:42 Airforlife: it bugs the hell out of me! Nov 04 11:35:53 but i don't have time or expertise to write an app Nov 04 11:36:20 we need one that will easily send a textfile as an sms too Nov 04 11:36:20 ...sigh... Nov 04 11:36:21 jpinx-eeepc: I also use it, but never cared about such functionality Nov 04 11:37:07 funny how you have so many useless applications and not have a solid address book/contact thingy Nov 04 11:37:32 so much of the software is sadly lacking in functionality - like the calender Nov 04 11:38:21 Venemo: if the whole n900 was run from the cli I would be happy -- as long as it did *everything* :) Nov 04 11:38:51 so if someone were to call you Nov 04 11:38:56 The base software is annoyign - it can be hard to add functionality. Nov 04 11:38:59 so much time was wasted making the guis look pretty even thought they don't work Nov 04 11:39:00 you'd just go /dev/sys/bla/bla/bla answer ? :)) Nov 04 11:39:02 from the cli Nov 04 11:39:03 hehe Nov 04 11:39:21 Airforlife: I can write shell scripts ;) Nov 04 11:39:57 jpinx-eeepc: lol :) Nov 04 11:40:10 SpeedEvil: yes - I see that it is hard to change what they did with maemo, hence I don't bother to try - I don't have the time to explore Nov 04 11:41:25 Airforlife: already I have shell scripts controlling everything in my chroot, and it is all run in screen, so unless the phone actually crashes I lose nothing Nov 04 11:41:57 jpinx-eeepc: please elaborate Nov 04 11:42:11 controlling what exactly Nov 04 11:42:45 also question, how can i make a contact groups ? Nov 04 11:42:48 from boot it mounts, chroots, starts screen, starts irssi, starts bitlbee, connects all accounttss Nov 04 11:43:06 Airforlife: there are no groups Nov 04 11:44:08 thats funny, cuz i see in application manager ... "Crochik MyContacts" Contacts application, desktop widget and custom ringtones per group. Nov 04 11:44:45 Airforlife: then why are you asking here? ;)r Nov 04 11:45:12 oh, well excuse me :P Nov 04 11:45:31 :) Nov 04 11:46:03 Airforlife: I hadn't seen that one - I got tired of looking through crapware for guis ;) Nov 04 11:46:36 so i guess you're welcome ? :P Nov 04 11:49:42 Airforlife: I'll take a look - thanks for the nudge ;) Nov 04 11:52:03 ooshit, that thing just put a giant widget, covering all of my previous ones :)) Nov 04 11:53:05 heh -I think I tried that and then removed it ;) Nov 04 11:53:22 12% mem usage as well Nov 04 11:53:57 yea - my n900 regularly shudders to a halt when there'sa lot going on Nov 04 11:54:31 and it really panics if I am doing some "computing" and a call comes in ;) Nov 04 11:54:34 removed the widget to put it on my 4th screen and now i cant find it in the widgets selection Nov 04 11:54:37 hooray... Nov 04 11:55:09 jpinx-eeepc: overclock it :P Nov 04 11:55:33 nah - you could fry eggs on it already ;) Nov 04 11:57:44 what happens if infobot eats too much botsnack? Nov 04 11:57:50 ~botsnack Nov 04 11:57:50 thanks, Venemo Nov 04 12:12:50 Venemo: it might turn nova and consume the channel Nov 04 12:14:30 aquatix: :D Nov 04 12:14:32 ~botsnack Nov 04 12:14:33 Venemo: :) Nov 04 12:25:21 hola Nov 04 12:26:05 I'm looking for xml/hildon-gtk.xml in hildon/doc but it isn't there Nov 04 12:27:06 Anyone know where it might be? Nov 04 12:30:09 ~botsmack Nov 04 12:30:10 OWW! Nov 04 12:40:35 ~botsnack Nov 04 12:40:36 :), Airforlife Nov 04 12:40:41 ~botsnack Nov 04 12:42:48 ~botsnack Nov 04 12:42:48 aw, gee, aquatix Nov 04 12:42:55 ~botsnack Nov 04 12:43:42 ~botsnack Nov 04 12:43:42 aw, gee, Airforlife Nov 04 12:47:55 ~botsnack Nov 04 12:47:55 thanks, Venemo Nov 04 12:48:00 np, infobot Nov 04 12:54:15 is there a flasher for my n900 one can use from the n900? Nov 04 12:55:20 i need to flash the rootfs as my modest application no longer wants to function with mail for exchange Nov 04 12:55:34 If there was, you'd have to set it up pretty carefully beforehand Nov 04 12:55:46 You couldn't flash the rootfs while your N900 is using the rootfs, for example... Nov 04 12:57:18 thanks ShadowJK :) I know the kernel can be flashed from the n900, but i'm unsure how safe it is for the rootfs Nov 04 12:57:43 It's likely to corrupt the rootfs, and then crash :) Nov 04 12:58:03 that would just defeat the purpose of reflashing, at least in my case Nov 04 12:58:30 i'm not the admin on my windows box at work so I can't use that flasher Nov 04 12:58:50 and I'm not getting home for another two days to use my ubuntu Nov 04 13:04:26 MohammadAG: ping Nov 04 13:04:41 VladNistor-of: got a pendrive? Nov 04 13:05:14 VladNistor-of: and is your computer at work able to boot from USB? Nov 04 13:05:22 chem|st, well nope, i would have installed linux on it by now :)) Nov 04 13:05:28 MohammadAG51: ping Nov 04 13:05:44 ~seen MohammadAG51 Nov 04 13:05:48 mohammadag51 is currently on #maemo (22h 24m 24s) #meego (22h 24m 24s). Has said a total of 19 messages. Is idling for 35m 38s, last said: '~botsmack'. Nov 04 13:06:03 and i'm at work, I can't just boot up Ubuntu, people would notice ;) Nov 04 13:06:48 VladNistor-of: you don't need ubuntu, a micro img with usbsupport will do Nov 04 13:07:11 VladNistor-of: then it looks like a recovery console if anyone asks Nov 04 13:08:25 VladNistor-of: have you reinstalled modest and all dependencies yet? Nov 04 13:09:22 VladNistor-of: and does it work with other server types or does not work in general? Nov 04 13:11:13 chem|st, I have reinstalled and purged modest Nov 04 13:11:48 it just doesn't work with MfE anymore. modest was segfaulting earlier so I erased my MfE account and then it started working again Nov 04 13:11:54 it works for my IMAP stuff Nov 04 13:12:04 just not MfE Nov 04 13:13:27 VladNistor-of: then I guess a reflash wont help you much Nov 04 13:13:45 have you got a backup from when it was working? Nov 04 13:14:02 nope, I don't Nov 04 13:14:34 VladNistor-of: thats then something you learned for the future... is it pr1.3 yet? Nov 04 13:14:49 well a reflash should rid me of whatever config file i don't know about that may be scrwing stuff up Nov 04 13:15:04 heh :) Nov 04 13:15:19 VladNistor-of: nope as some stuff is stored within your user dir Nov 04 13:15:35 so you're suggesting a full reflash, with MMC? Nov 04 13:15:49 i will attempt to find stuff in the user dir and destroy it :) Nov 04 13:16:00 nope I suggest you file a bug report Nov 04 13:16:15 well that is a fair point Nov 04 13:17:12 alright, i'm gonna hit the road now Nov 04 13:17:15 VladNistor-of: I think it is another bug and not that you system is ready to be reflashed Nov 04 13:17:46 well I can't reflash for another two days anyway Nov 04 13:18:03 i'll write up a report when I get to the hotel tonight Nov 04 13:18:12 VladNistor-of: my icq account gets a weird port parameter once in a while I don't know where it comes from param-port=-2543285623... Nov 04 13:18:38 yeah, I saw that on my yahoo account, and on gtalk too... it's stupid Nov 04 13:19:28 VladNistor-of: yes and not editable from accounts GUI, you are forced to edit the config by hand Nov 04 13:19:51 or have a backup handy with the proper settings Nov 04 13:20:01 cham|st, I just disconnect and I can then edit the port Nov 04 13:20:13 and change it back to 5050 or whatnot Nov 04 13:20:17 VladNistor-of: doesn't work for icq for me Nov 04 13:20:30 cham|st, that sucks :( Nov 04 13:20:51 alright, I need to hit the road, thanks for your help Nov 04 13:20:54 bye Nov 04 13:21:38 its just like anything I write in that config window, which is actualy only available if disconnected or not trying to connect, is ignored and overwritten from somewhere else realy dark Nov 04 13:53:28 let me show you my new toy Nov 04 13:53:57 ew Nov 04 13:54:08 venbot, tell aquatix hahaha! Nov 04 13:54:08 aquatix, Venemo said to you, hahaha! Nov 04 13:55:28 I'd like to make him a reminder bot Nov 04 13:58:58 ~botsnack Nov 04 13:58:59 Airforlife: :) Nov 04 13:59:22 venbot, tell Venemo LOL! Nov 04 13:59:31 Airforlife: he quitted :) Nov 04 13:59:43 Venemo: too bad :) Nov 04 14:00:01 Airforlife: I realized I forgot some important functionality Nov 04 14:00:06 Venemo:i have joins/parts hidden :) Nov 04 14:01:48 Airforlife: it couldn't eat botsnacks Nov 04 14:13:02 ~botsnack Nov 04 14:13:02 * venbot happily crunches the botsnack (thx Venemo) Nov 04 14:13:02 Venemo: aw, gee Nov 04 14:14:01 Airforlife: you may try now Nov 04 14:18:55 venbot, tell Venemo LOL! Nov 04 14:18:55 Venemo, Airforlife said to you, LOL! Nov 04 14:18:59 kewl Nov 04 14:19:00 ;) Nov 04 14:19:39 :P Nov 04 14:19:52 Venemo: you could probably put : instead of a , after the name, that way you get notified :P Nov 04 14:20:11 Airforlife: I get notified with , too Nov 04 14:20:15 Airforlife: you don't? Nov 04 14:20:20 try it ? Nov 04 14:20:32 cuz now you wrote with : Nov 04 14:20:40 venbot: tell Airforlife making bots is fun Nov 04 14:20:40 Airforlife, Venemo said to you, making bots is fun Nov 04 14:21:01 oh, i see, its just when you mention somebody from the channel Nov 04 14:21:06 the : or , is arbitrary Nov 04 14:21:16 i lost intrest in IRC 10 years ago ? :) Nov 04 14:21:21 hehe :D Nov 04 14:22:10 anyway, I have to leave for work, so goodbye guys :) Nov 04 14:22:22 bye :) Nov 04 14:28:45 Hello! I got two apn from my provider. One for internet and one for mms. When I'm not connected to a wlan it connects to the mms APN. Can I make the phone to connect to the internet instead? Nov 04 14:29:46 switch to havoc Nov 04 14:29:52 havoc? Nov 04 14:30:22 in settings in fmms Nov 04 14:31:34 Where in settings? Nov 04 14:32:26 Nirtal: do you have fmms installed ? Nov 04 14:32:32 yes Nov 04 14:32:45 go to fmms and then go to settings of fmms Nov 04 14:32:47 there Nov 04 14:32:53 yes Nov 04 14:33:12 I don't see anything called "havok" Nov 04 14:33:20 connection mode Nov 04 14:33:26 choose havoc Nov 04 14:34:25 In my connections settings, I can just configure the MMS apn Nov 04 14:35:05 go to fmms then touch in the title bar and where 2 botton get show configure - about Nov 04 14:35:08 select configure Nov 04 14:35:20 yes Nov 04 14:35:20 there exist a option called connection mode Nov 04 14:35:26 select havoc Nov 04 14:35:45 nope, no havoc Nov 04 14:36:00 :S Nov 04 14:37:30 screenshot Nov 04 14:37:59 oh, what other options is there? I got everything in swedish so it might just be called something else :P Nov 04 14:37:59 Nirtal: Select the furthermost to the right. Nov 04 14:38:15 great ! Nov 04 14:39:10 ah, now the MMS APN disapeared Nov 04 14:39:51 thnx guys Nov 04 14:40:05 yw Nov 04 14:50:51 X-Fade: Sorry I was afk, I tried it: Maintainer field is now empty but there's no link to apply for maintaniership. I still cant promote my package too. Nov 04 14:51:26 Aranel: Did you log in? :) Nov 04 14:53:01 X-Fade: oops. Now I requested for maintainership, after clicking Confirm, page just refreshed without adding me. Nov 04 14:57:12 Aranel: Which browser are you using? Nov 04 14:57:37 Aranel: I don't see any reqests from you btw. Nov 04 14:57:38 X-Fade: Firefox 3.6.12 on Kubuntu Latest. Nov 04 14:58:43 Aranel: That should be fine. But strange that it doesn't work.. Nov 04 14:58:49 X-Fade: It asks to me "Are you sure you want to be a maintainer for XMP?", I click Confirm, then page refreshes. Nov 04 14:59:06 Aranel: Can you shift-reload that page? Nov 04 14:59:45 X-Fade: same thing happens. Nov 04 15:01:17 X-Fade: can you try it on your account and see if it only happens to me or everybody? Nov 04 15:09:23 hurly Nov 04 15:09:45 any good console browsers for the n900 that can hook up to a proxy? Nov 04 15:09:50 w3m isn't available Nov 04 15:10:05 i wonder if i should package that as well as the squid i've built into a package Nov 04 15:10:32 Gorroth: lynx? Nov 04 15:10:36 links? Nov 04 15:10:41 lynx! Nov 04 15:11:59 hmm, looks like lynx is most up to date, but there is no package for it that i can see Nov 04 15:12:06 oh, unless i need to enable extras-devel Nov 04 15:12:47 * Wizzup had his n900 sent to repair two weeks ago because of a faulty mmc... Got it back today Nov 04 15:13:05 They said, "Status: Repaired; We did a software update" Nov 04 15:13:20 Obviously exactly the same problem occurs, because it is a hardware failure Nov 04 15:13:31 haha Nov 04 15:13:32 Filesystem is mount as r/o, and all apps crash Nov 04 15:13:37 call and bitch them out Nov 04 15:13:39 I doubt they even started the phone Nov 04 15:13:47 because that is some shite trouble shooting Nov 04 15:14:00 The shop let me fill in the complaint myself this time Nov 04 15:14:04 Hopefully they'll get the message Nov 04 15:14:07 * Wizzup already sent it back Nov 04 15:14:12 good Nov 04 15:16:43 anyone had any problems with mfe on n900 with gmail on pr1.3? Nov 04 15:17:05 mfe and gmail are no go Nov 04 15:17:21 gmail isn't doing anything exchange like Nov 04 15:17:36 any other way to sync calendar with google calendar? Nov 04 15:17:48 just requested garage maemo access to upload to extras-devel Nov 04 15:17:56 so maybe you guys can have squid sometime tonight if i get approved Nov 04 15:18:15 at least for testing to see if it's working how it should; it looks good here on first basic trials, but more testing is necessary Nov 04 15:18:22 it works few times after I take "full resync" but after few timed syncs it just fails and fails Nov 04 15:18:45 Jartza: yes, erminig worked for me Nov 04 15:19:05 erminig messed up the full-day calendar events Nov 04 15:19:41 ah, calendar sync Nov 04 15:19:44 I had entries like mon-wed, full day and they showed up as mon 01-thu 01 Nov 04 15:20:18 both phone and google calendar use same time zone Nov 04 15:20:54 or was it even 2 hours off, can't remember Nov 04 15:21:33 but with pr1.2 the calendar sync worked just fine Nov 04 15:29:45 X-Fade, -developers is worse than tmo Nov 04 15:31:03 sweet! now i have upload privs for extras-devel Nov 04 15:31:09 i'll recreate my package after working and BJJ Nov 04 15:31:12 and then upload it Nov 04 15:31:21 how about they just release the n9 to developers as soon as maemo runs on it Nov 04 15:31:33 and as soon as the hardware is ready Nov 04 15:31:45 let the community help prepare meego for mass market Nov 04 15:33:00 that would be the real 2010 way to realease a product Nov 04 15:33:23 pupnik, right, that's not how things work Nov 04 15:33:39 although i wish it was Nov 04 15:33:50 "here's the phone, if you like the OS we got now you can buy it, but we're not advertising or announcing it as a product until our next OS is ready" Nov 04 15:33:58 well Nokia needs to do new things Nov 04 15:34:04 this could be a viral marketing tactic Nov 04 15:34:26 they need to, they won't Nov 04 15:34:38 it would instantly create a geek community who was 'ahead of the curve' Nov 04 15:34:50 and would automatically talk up the device online before the product release Nov 04 15:35:25 and they really don't need to give away $400,000 of devices to do that, just make them quietly available to interested parties Nov 04 15:36:04 of course there are hurdles to that Nov 04 15:36:18 due to State intervention Nov 04 15:36:35 it wouldn't stay quiet a minute Nov 04 15:37:01 Engadget and other tech blogs would grab it immediately Nov 04 15:37:14 yes, also known as free advertising Nov 04 15:37:50 and then Nokia would be blamed again for bringing in a buggy and incomplete device Nov 04 15:38:33 yes, many people would be stuck in classic product marketing lines of thought Nov 04 15:38:50 it is, at least on the surface, a valid point against the idea Nov 04 15:39:14 however if handled correctly, it would be exactly the kind of thing that would generate news, discussion and disagreement Nov 04 15:39:36 because it is a new way, it also requires a new presentation, a new way of communicating with the market Nov 04 15:40:22 the entire world is going to see meego as a latecomer to a party Nov 04 15:40:39 unless the heritage of it, the differentiation of it - is that of openness Nov 04 15:41:50 i think this is something that most #maemo folks understand instinctively Nov 04 15:42:49 instead of saying 'here's our app store' say 'here's the latest mobile incarnation of gnu/linux - The Real Thing (tm) Nov 04 15:43:11 ;) Nov 04 15:43:55 in fact, ship the phone without an OS at all Nov 04 15:44:10 *that* would make news Nov 04 15:44:30 "Nokia copy OpenMoko. Hope to have same success"? Nov 04 15:44:33 ;-) Nov 04 15:46:02 Hmm... How to get: python2.5-qt4-common?! Need that to install healthcheck :S Nov 04 15:47:21 Jaffa - you think nokia, with it's matrix-self-censorship can produce phones in the accelerated market of today? the stuff hitting the street is a generation behind because ... 1) ... 2) ... fill in the blanks for us Nov 04 15:48:05 Well, they did something similar with the amsterdam devices? Nov 04 15:48:12 software wasn't ready at all by then. Nov 04 15:48:24 (but still pretty much "done") Nov 04 15:48:33 javispedro: yes Nov 04 15:48:33 amsterdam devices? sounds like something having to do with dope Nov 04 15:49:01 nokia copied openmoko? Nov 04 15:49:05 wtf? Nov 04 15:49:14 tripzero: see quotes =) Nov 04 15:49:58 pupnik: I think Apple has demonstrated that shipping quality products with limited exposure to the development experience is what the mass market likes. Nov 04 15:50:35 and android proves otherwise Nov 04 15:50:54 "mass market" has no fscking idea of what it likes Nov 04 15:51:04 they expect steve jobs to teld them, in fact. Nov 04 15:51:07 *tell Nov 04 15:51:19 the development process is opaque to the 'mass market' anyway Nov 04 15:51:33 they don't care as long as it works and it's pretty at an affordable price Nov 04 15:51:47 javispedro: exactly. Nov 04 15:51:59 tripzero: I think it can work once you have an established platform Nov 04 15:52:21 it took android a few years to become established Nov 04 15:52:30 i'm pretty sure your typical consumer wouldn't buy a n9 if it weren't for sale online, not advertised on the nokia store, and didn't ship with an OS. :) Nov 04 15:52:35 But there's a lot to be said for the effect of big marketing bang of a surprise announcement of a finished product on the market. Nov 04 15:52:37 it also took Apple several years [behind closed doors] to do the same Nov 04 15:52:40 Does anyone know how to get your contacts list from the n900 to outlook? Nov 04 15:53:54 a lot of interesting names in the meego conference attendees list Nov 04 15:54:37 * javispedro crosses fingers and hopes no iceland volcano decides to erupt or such. Nov 04 15:54:44 lol Nov 04 15:55:53 Ha Nov 04 15:56:56 * javispedro notes some known WebOS app developers there :P Nov 04 15:57:35 you gonna meet em javispedro ? Nov 04 15:58:09 pupnik: I remember their names from PalmOS days, but that's about it. Nov 04 15:58:50 any companies give you offers to port stuff? Nov 04 15:59:06 'port' ;) Nov 04 15:59:08 I got an email about someone potentially interested in using preenv Nov 04 15:59:14 good Nov 04 15:59:21 but discussion stopped, dunno why. Nov 04 15:59:33 could you do a lightning talk on it? Nov 04 15:59:37 * javispedro hopes it's not because they saw rampant tmo piracy Nov 04 16:00:01 Has anybody posted a game pack torrent yet? *g* Nov 04 16:00:34 seems like those companies should be reacting *proactively* to package their games pre-env'd for N900 Nov 04 16:01:32 I'd wish.. Nov 04 16:01:51 well, there's money in serving customers - giving people what they want Nov 04 16:02:05 but too many lawyers, and they always step in-between the producer and consumer Nov 04 16:02:12 that's how they make their living Nov 04 16:02:29 .. by preventing people from having direct access to the goods other people produce Nov 04 16:02:55 Overhead and limited market. Nov 04 16:02:59 yep Nov 04 16:03:22 they add fixed costs to any business proposition... eliminating the realization of many enterpreneurial ideas Nov 04 16:03:31 those which only have small marginal benifits Nov 04 16:03:35 *bene Nov 04 16:05:23 * javispedro fins it funny they have forced management people to get a meego.com username&password Nov 04 16:05:45 Ha Nov 04 16:05:45 what's a executive vice president of Nokia doing in there? =) Nov 04 16:06:07 Gotta register at the website to register for the conference. Nov 04 16:06:11 * GeneralAntilles recalls talking Peter into registering a bugzilla account. Nov 04 16:14:39 hi guys Nov 04 16:14:42 oh, aaron ardiri Nov 04 16:14:43 anybody using n810 on Clearwire in NYC area; pointer to instructions ? Nov 04 16:23:45 in case you wonder, the HP Slate's "Ctrl+Alt+Del" button: http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2010/10/2010-10-19hpslatehands-5.jpg Nov 04 16:56:22 Well, my FFT transform is now working really well, and displaying a graph on the N900 :D Nov 04 16:59:16 :) Nov 04 16:59:21 Now. Nov 04 16:59:34 Implement fuzzy detection of a whistled tune. Nov 04 16:59:54 So I can whistle a specific tune, and it be slightly off key or out of time, and it will beep. Nov 04 17:00:16 Heh Nov 04 17:01:36 bonus points if you make it play the trek/lcars sound when you say "Computer?" out loud. Nov 04 17:01:51 alterego: was working on a ft based morsecode detection piece Nov 04 17:02:09 'SpeedEvil to Enterprise' Nov 04 17:02:23 On that topic. Nov 04 17:02:34 "Beam me up, Scotty!" calls a local taxi. Nov 04 17:02:49 WTF they never launched a working combadge with voice-dialing in the appropriate form-factor, I dunno. Nov 04 17:03:02 Something very strange happened though, when I turned up the graph accuracy. Nov 04 17:03:10 The music being played was in slow motion .. Nov 04 17:03:19 normal Nov 04 17:03:30 My app can process in real time using 5-7% cpu Nov 04 17:04:00 * alterego imagines what it would be like if he was using the DSP Nov 04 17:04:07 crashanddie: love the taxi one Nov 04 17:04:28 I also want to implement an FFT visualizer in a vertex shader for some reason. Nov 04 17:04:29 alterego, how are you getting the audio data? Nov 04 17:04:37 microphone Nov 04 17:04:37 SpeedEvil, I felt I had that when I had AD-54 under my shirt, attached to a keystrap hanging from my neck. It ended up pretty much in the same place as the trek badges :-) Nov 04 17:04:41 and the movement to answer phone was same Nov 04 17:04:46 crashanddie: microphone ^.^ Nov 04 17:04:59 alterego, hmm, dunno then. Nov 04 17:05:02 Full duplex failing? Nov 04 17:05:07 No idea :) Nov 04 17:05:12 Or maybe you're blocking the soundchip by locking up the microphone pipe? Nov 04 17:05:16 alterego: deb it up and let us test ;) Nov 04 17:05:26 or tar it up... Nov 04 17:05:27 Well, it works fine when I'm only plotting 100 bars Nov 04 17:05:39 20ms is the maximum for audio lag to become noticeable Nov 04 17:05:40 But when I try to plot 80 (1/pixel) Nov 04 17:05:43 It chokes Nov 04 17:05:45 ~800 Nov 04 17:06:13 alterego, so you're multiplying your processing by 8. so 7% CPU becomes 56% Nov 04 17:06:39 factor in context switching, and improper buffering/MA Nov 04 17:07:17 Actually 7% became 30% with 800 bars on the screen Nov 04 17:07:25 close enough Nov 04 17:07:25 :P Nov 04 17:07:43 alterego, by the way, have you ever done DSP programming? Nov 04 17:08:27 crashanddie: nope Nov 04 17:08:47 alterego, it's really not just about recompiling it to run on the DSP Nov 04 17:08:53 * ShadowJK vaguely recalls plotting 512 on P133 Nov 04 17:09:05 I'm sure it isn't ;) Nov 04 17:09:13 Especially as my implementation is written in C++ .. Nov 04 17:09:14 you're going to have to work on your data access, synchronising buffers, all that crap i can't remember the lingo of Nov 04 17:09:24 anyway Nov 04 17:09:30 It's like SIMD just worse, in other words Nov 04 17:09:32 I'm going home Nov 04 17:09:59 well, it's really like having to explicitly tell your CPU on how/when to use the RAM Nov 04 17:10:23 and I'm not just talking about "int x = 1" Nov 04 17:10:28 anyway, later Nov 04 17:11:53 cool Nov 04 17:12:58 I should probably not be measuring from 1hz Nov 04 17:13:35 * SpeedEvil tries to remember the term for optimising for memory latency access patterns. Nov 04 17:16:01 http://alterego.metapath.org/maemo/fourier/Screenshot-20101104-170847.png Nov 04 17:16:30 I think that was a D string on my guitar. Nov 04 17:18:23 venbot, tell alterego that this stuff is cool Nov 04 17:18:23 alterego, Venemo said to you, that this stuff is cool Nov 04 17:18:30 :) Nov 04 17:20:08 I still need to fine tune my algorithm a bit. Nov 04 17:20:17 But it's starting to come along quite nicely. Nov 04 17:20:33 I might implement noise reduction. Nov 04 17:20:44 is there an encryptfs for maemo and /home/user? Nov 04 17:27:13 pupnik: Don't think there's a package but you can do it with a custom kernel. Nov 04 17:28:13 can n900 class devices be certifiably encrypted? Nov 04 17:29:06 Using cryptsetup/LUKS Nov 04 17:48:24 anybody here got a minute to do a dosbox comparison Nov 04 17:48:27 on a real n900 Nov 04 17:56:26 :wq Nov 04 17:57:22 pupnik: what ya need? (Not got dosbox installed, but can do Nov 04 17:59:05 n810w clearwire compatible plans-- anyone know? Nov 04 17:59:53 pupnik: installed dosbox if that helps Nov 04 18:05:07 hello, I have a simple server client running with client on a nokia n810 using pyopenssl and server on a computer with python 2.6 ssl implementation Nov 04 18:05:40 problem is Nov 04 18:06:04 there seems to be a limit of 16kb that can be sent over the ssl wrapped socket Nov 04 18:06:15 removing the wrapper there seems to be no such limit Nov 04 18:06:43 any hints on why this might occur? Nov 04 18:06:51 there is some limit in ssl buffer? Nov 04 18:07:47 Is there a command line dtmf generator I can use? Nov 04 18:08:14 Can't use dtmf with gst-launch :( Nov 04 18:08:54 ". Taking into account my past experiences combined with the fact that I have little to no faith in AT&Ts network I was shocked to find that I did not once drop a call while testing the N8 with my AT&T SIM." -- BGR, the all time iPhone user Nov 04 18:09:30 He calls it "very impressive" that the phone is not dropping any calls. Facepalm. Nov 04 18:10:21 nokia <3 Nov 04 18:13:57 :P Nov 04 18:17:44 is it bug or feature when the screen does not lock again if you just open and close the slide? Nov 04 18:18:41 chem|st: maybe you touch the screen Nov 04 18:18:46 or some key Nov 04 18:18:53 chem|st: yes Nov 04 18:18:54 if that happen the screen don't go back to off Nov 04 18:19:16 E0x: tell me something I do not know Nov 04 18:19:25 SpeedEvil: nice answer Nov 04 18:19:29 ^_^ Nov 04 18:19:58 we are not talking microsoft where bugs are features! Nov 04 18:20:55 crashanddie: you might know... is it bug or feature when the screen does not lock again if you just open and close the slide? Nov 04 18:21:42 depends, but I'd say bug. Nov 04 18:22:29 crashanddie: just recognized... wht does your device in 1.2 doe if locked and you slide open and close without keystroke or touch to screen Nov 04 18:22:56 dunno, I never locked it Nov 04 18:23:26 unless by locked you mean just black screen that doesn't respond to input? Nov 04 18:23:35 crashanddie: I do not talk about the device lock, I talk aboput the turning off backlight and deactivating touch surface Nov 04 18:23:49 chem|st: off->lock screen and keys. Nov 04 18:23:54 ah, it goes black again Nov 04 18:23:54 chem|st: slide open and closed. Nov 04 18:23:58 Screen unlocked. Nov 04 18:24:00 (1.2) Nov 04 18:24:27 SpeedEvil: crashanddie mine does not Nov 04 18:24:30 Same if you simply lock the switch with the lock switch, then open and close the slide Nov 04 18:24:32 1.2 Nov 04 18:24:56 Does anyone know if it's possible to call with my n900 from my computer? Nov 04 18:25:01 SpeedEvil: never had that behavior in 1.2 Nov 04 18:25:35 Nirtal: if you setup a bluetooth headset with your computer yes Nov 04 18:25:53 weird now it does lock again Nov 04 18:26:02 chem|st: well - just tried it. Nov 04 18:26:18 so at yours 1.2 it stays unlocked? Nov 04 18:26:24 locks here Nov 04 18:26:35 crashanddie: mine does now again Nov 04 18:26:47 chem|st do I have to use a bluetooth headset? Can't I use earphones and micrphone that I have plugged in to the computer? Nov 04 18:26:58 For me, it unlocks itself when I plug it into the charger Nov 04 18:27:10 Starting with PR1.2. And VERY annoying. Nov 04 18:27:17 yeah, had the same Nov 04 18:27:27 RST38h: yes it is Nov 04 18:27:37 I think Nokians already said they will not fix it Nov 04 18:28:30 Nirtal: you can use your computers headset Nov 04 18:28:52 ok, how do I do to make it work? Nov 04 18:28:55 Nirtal: you can use your computer as bluetooth headset if you like to Nov 04 18:29:15 Nirtal: linux or windows? Nov 04 18:29:23 windows Nov 04 18:29:56 look for HID setup at your bluetooth there you can set what it should act like Nov 04 18:30:35 ok, I need bluetooth on the computer? Nov 04 18:31:31 Nirtal: or you find a way how to make use of pulseaudio's powers (that's what I do for days now and noone seems interessted Nov 04 18:32:09 pulseaudio can forward devices over network Nov 04 18:32:47 but I am not able to figure out how I do that at N900 yet Nov 04 18:33:05 desktop PC no problem Nov 04 18:33:38 ok I didn't try windows yet but pulseaudio website says it should work as well Nov 04 18:33:56 hehe, ok. Sounds moore easy to just buy a cheap bluetooth adapter for my computer Nov 04 18:35:20 blah Nov 04 18:35:26 this bt kb stuff still sucks Nov 04 18:35:47 i mean it works but i have to keep the phone open and i still have to run something in order to get the keys mapped right manually Nov 04 18:35:58 yes but it is more fun with pulse as you can use any pulseaudioclient in the network to participate in the same call simultaneously Nov 04 18:36:16 kind of sucks Nov 04 18:36:28 chem|st do you know if you can manage your calls from the computer as bluetooth headset? Like type in telephone numbers and call contacts. Nov 04 18:36:33 or is it just to talk? Nov 04 18:36:53 Macer: at all places I would need one there can be x2x as well so I do not need one Nov 04 18:36:55 ah well. at least it automatically connects Nov 04 18:37:19 x2x? Nov 04 18:37:23 Nirtal: basic just call Nov 04 18:37:51 ah well. maybe the scripts will get fixed or maybe i can find out how to adjust it a bit Nov 04 18:38:06 but do I have to type the numbers on the n900? Nov 04 18:38:06 but i know when the phone is closed enter is treated like a screen tap/mouse click Nov 04 18:38:27 Macer: http://tinyurl.com/372fzsc Nov 04 18:39:10 chem|st: lol Nov 04 18:39:12 touche Nov 04 18:39:20 ^^ Nov 04 18:40:04 i am trying to go about using the phone on its own Nov 04 18:40:06 ~x2x Nov 04 18:40:06 [x2x] sharing xinput devices between x servers or http://gatekeeper.dec.com/pub/DEC/SRC/x2x/ Nov 04 18:40:33 chem|st: this is for using a bt kb Nov 04 18:40:51 anyways tho.. i guess this will work better than most things.. at least it auto connects now Nov 04 18:41:13 Macer: no this is for expanding any linux XDisplay with your N900 or the other way round Nov 04 18:42:06 ok Nov 04 18:42:23 anyways. i am going to try to mod this script so i can use the bt keyboard easier Nov 04 18:42:25 heh Nov 04 18:42:38 it is nice to use but it sucks to keep the phone open to do it Nov 04 18:43:04 but if that is the only way then i guess i can deal with that Nov 04 18:43:18 is it the nokia one or generic? Nov 04 18:43:35 a nokia su8w Nov 04 18:43:46 hey guys Nov 04 18:43:51 I'm going to the states for a few days Nov 04 18:44:06 I was wondering who the "best provider" would be for a prepaid services. I'll only need to add on like $10 or something Nov 04 18:44:07 ok thats nasty Nov 04 18:44:16 nasty? Nov 04 18:44:25 seems to work fine for me ;) Nov 04 18:44:36 to not support your own brand properly Nov 04 18:44:39 * RST38h drained n900 battery in 7 hours today Nov 04 18:44:43 yeah Nov 04 18:44:45 i agree Nov 04 18:44:52 n810 worked great with it Nov 04 18:44:53 really, REALLY need a bigger battery... Nov 04 18:45:03 RST38h: or more batteries! Nov 04 18:45:05 n900 doesn't.. regression :) Nov 04 18:45:10 or more bigger batteries Nov 04 18:45:12 RST38h: still need to beat my 2.5 hours some day Nov 04 18:45:17 i remember filing that on bugzilla for maemo and got some stupid response Nov 04 18:45:28 that is when i gave up on maemo bugzilla Nov 04 18:46:23 no one here is in the states? Nov 04 18:46:46 slingr: and never will be Nov 04 18:47:01 i believe the response was something like "this is not detailed enough" .. and all it was ... "Maemo 4 had bt hid support for my su8w.. Maemo 5 does not. Can this support be added to Maemo 5?" Nov 04 18:47:13 if you are refering to US as states Nov 04 18:47:14 chem|st:easy, a good movie, and it is dead Nov 04 18:47:49 RST38h: power up wifi to its limits and fill your mmc with music over wifi... Nov 04 18:47:57 hmkkk Nov 04 18:48:00 * mgedmin seems to recall people saying that su8w was the _only_ bt keyboard that worked well with maemo 5 Nov 04 18:48:11 ooooh... i just had to disable the vkb Nov 04 18:48:20 and now i can keep the phone closed. awesome Nov 04 18:48:24 Apple BT keyboard does not. Nov 04 18:48:28 At all. Nov 04 18:48:41 argh wtf Nov 04 18:49:36 RST38h: not even with iPrank devices? Nov 04 18:50:01 ?? Nov 04 18:50:14 damn. guess not. enter isn't mapped correctly while the phone is closed Nov 04 18:50:30 ah well. i'm done testing this for now. it works well enough i can work on it later. Nov 04 18:51:45 chem|st: afaik all BT keyboards work with idevices now Nov 04 18:51:48 or maybe just the ipad? Nov 04 18:52:00 or maybe no one Nov 04 19:03:43 ipad works with bt keyboard Nov 04 19:04:00 liar Nov 04 19:05:42 sorry? Nov 04 19:06:38 slingr: I'm really quite sure. Nov 04 19:25:21 javispedro: considered simulating multitouch a little bit? Nov 04 19:26:08 javispedro: as in "keep previous touch down for 100ms"? Nov 04 19:26:45 Would that work? :P Nov 04 19:27:10 RST38h: that sounds like puttin an echo to a touch Nov 04 19:27:19 There's a half reasonable suggestion in that a .ini file could say "A" key press => finger 2 taps on coords 250,250 Nov 04 19:27:42 javispedro: won't really work in general case, but may work in those corner cases where you need to move+jump Nov 04 19:28:34 RST38h: anyway, for any multitouch stuff I need to upgrade some headers around and lazyism kicks in =) Nov 04 19:49:43 how do these look to you http://i.imgur.com/wESkI.png (robotron scanlined bitmaps) Nov 04 19:54:18 look ok Nov 04 19:54:52 a bit soft though, as if this were a photo Nov 04 19:54:55 they look like ASSSSSSSS Nov 04 19:55:10 (actually, they look quite nice, it gives a very retro feeling) Nov 04 20:00:38 http://gizmodo.com/5681605/cops-nab-man-for-sharing-new-pokmon Nov 04 20:01:15 hell yeah RST38h Nov 04 20:01:47 indeed. Nov 04 20:01:50 a proper stance on copyright :P Nov 04 20:02:31 jail 'em all and let Bubbha sort 'em out Nov 04 20:03:02 let a few years of this "intellectual property is the only sane way to live" pass and instaid of jailing him they would have beath him to death Nov 04 20:03:22 probably not Nov 04 20:03:55 but it is real fun to consider some possibilities for a society where "intellectual property" is strictly enforced Nov 04 20:05:13 Opens such a wide field of opportunity for people to prosecute each other... Nov 04 20:07:12 newspeak Nov 04 20:07:34 It's amazing that they insinuated IP into public usage. Nov 04 20:07:57 Change the language and you win by default. Nov 04 20:09:28 * javispedro grows some Stallman beard and starts talking about "Imaginary property" Nov 04 20:10:02 Will you also claim that "the government is tracking you by your car license plates"? Nov 04 20:10:44 Please shutdown your mobile tracking devices... Nov 04 20:12:51 >paying for numbers Nov 04 20:12:54 always fun Nov 04 20:17:17 you don't need to be stallman, you can also be an economist. Nov 04 20:17:59 many products don't ever get to market because of patent liability Nov 04 20:18:03 including lifesaving products Nov 04 20:18:05 heh Nov 04 20:18:20 the other day I had two interesting experiences regarding that. Nov 04 20:18:42 the first one is seeing that Google or some other codec developer had a chart with all video encoding related patents and their dates of expiration Nov 04 20:19:30 javispedro: currently there are no clear guidelines - patent discovery costs make many products impossible Nov 04 20:19:51 the second one was trying to try and read some software patent to try to reimplement whatever they were doing (think Chinese company not caring about the patent, or European for the matter) and failing miserably because the patent was horribly high level Nov 04 20:20:09 pupnik: isn't that why most just deliberately don't look? Nov 04 20:20:11 for example, a genetically engineered rice (to supplement vitamin a) was developed that could cure millions of cases of blindness per year... but the patent hurdles on the rice DNA (naturally occurring DNA) were too difficult to clear Nov 04 20:20:22 yes wmarone it is time to begin ignoring idiot rules Nov 04 20:20:51 in this case, the genetic engineering company publically shamed the patent holders into giving permission (via an exemption) to 'golden rice' Nov 04 20:21:47 moin Nov 04 20:22:40 We need more government intervention Nov 04 20:22:47 Clearly the only reasonable answer. Nov 04 20:23:36 Well, the RIGHT government intervention would not harm Nov 04 20:23:58 Like the Congress explicitly making certain kinds of patents invalid Nov 04 20:25:36 Unfortunately, with the US government being in pay of corporate interests, it is unlikely to happen Nov 04 20:26:01 So, onward, toward insanity. Never stop the madness :) Nov 04 20:28:16 hey RST38h how can i find the subroutine that daggerfall uses to rasterize the 3d objects to screen - from within dosbox :) Nov 04 20:28:49 :P Nov 04 20:29:05 pupnik: umgh Nov 04 20:29:06 pupnik: umgh Nov 04 20:29:33 pupnik: well, you can trace down write accesses to the screen buffer and play from there Nov 04 20:30:03 I would guess that the programmers tried to minimize the number of copies from 3D stuff to the screen, so whatever code is writing to the screen will be the rasterizer Nov 04 20:30:18 nice Nov 04 20:32:00 http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ "Request to be maintainer of this package" function is not working properly, refreshes the page after clicking Confirm without any notification. Can someone help me on this? Nov 04 20:32:57 who is going to send an email to? Nov 04 20:33:02 there's no current maintainer, seemingly. Nov 04 20:33:51 Aranel: you might need to ping X-Fade on this, or try to simplify your control file syntax. Nov 04 20:35:11 javispedro: already did it, X-Fade removed a false entry ("Was a parse error when PR1.3 got imported into the interface. Removed the broken entry.") but couldn't help me about maintainership issue. Nov 04 20:36:16 Aranel: *gives quick look to your control file* description line is > 80 chars wide. Nov 04 20:37:12 I do not know if this triggers a bug in the parser, but Debian suggests using < 80 characters wide lines. Nov 04 20:38:06 hey javispedro Nov 04 20:38:10 javispedro: well, It's long-desc field? I'm pretty sure I installed many pkgs with descriptions over 80 and they worked. Nov 04 20:38:43 Aranel: you are trying to become the maintainer? Nov 04 20:38:52 sivang: yes, for xmp package. Nov 04 20:38:53 Aranel: I do not mean that the entire description should be < 80 characters long, but that no line in control file should be > 80 characters wide: Nov 04 20:39:08 Aranel: nice Nov 04 20:39:11 http://www.debian.org/doc/maint-guide/ Nov 04 20:39:18 Check control file example. Nov 04 20:39:57 hi sivang Nov 04 20:40:01 javispedro: ok, now uploading new version with "CLI-based module player. Xmp plays over 90 mainstream and obscure module formats." desc. Nov 04 20:40:51 btw, does the email address you put in Maintainer match your garage.maemo.org address? Nov 04 20:41:24 yup, and It works for my other packages (turkish-l10n,audelicious) Nov 04 20:44:14 javispedro: fyi, XMP package was already created before I uploaded that package. Autobuilder gave me an error (ERROR running /etc/buildme.d/check_build: Package xmp provides binary package xmp which is also available on the device or Nokia repository. Build of this package has been prevented.) about it but still imported my package. Since I cannot request for maintainership or remove the whole entry from packages, I can't promote it :| Nov 04 20:44:36 Moved files to autobuilder queue. Nov 04 20:46:03 it already works Nov 04 20:46:35 http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/ Nov 04 20:47:00 yay! It added me after uploading 3.0.0-2 ! :) Nov 04 20:47:47 javispedro: thanks for the suggestion, It's working nice now :) Nov 04 20:47:54 np Nov 04 20:49:17 aha, android in 3d!! Nov 04 20:50:26 javispedro: were ou in the munich OVI sprint by thw way? Nov 04 20:50:50 sivang: nope, only maemo-related I've been so far was barcelona long weekend. Nov 04 20:51:23 javispedro: okay, I am trying to find someone I met in Munich Nov 04 20:51:31 javispedro: you will be at dublin? Nov 04 20:51:34 yeah Nov 04 21:01:14 wow, 480 nicks, hello everyone :) Nov 04 21:03:52 meh. Nov 04 21:04:26 so - I was thinking of getting an N900 on O2, although I realise it's a bit late in the day, but does the maemo platform have 18 months life left in it? Nov 04 21:05:10 I think so. Nov 04 21:05:23 At some point, there will be a working meego system. Nov 04 21:05:40 And there will also be community supported maemo efforts of some sort. Nov 04 21:06:13 Speaking personally, I cannot see any announced phones that are close to as free as the n900. Nov 04 21:06:19 It depends what interests you. Nov 04 21:06:48 It regrettably seems likely that there will not be hyuuge numbers of commercial apps on the platform withing the next several months at least. Nov 04 21:06:54 I like the idea of a linux phone/tablet that I can play with, especially as it's debian based,which I'm used to Nov 04 21:07:11 my main worry is the very poor calendar... on my current PDA I run my life through that ;) Nov 04 21:07:25 The next version looks in some regards kinda off-putting.. But then again, we were saying that about Maemo5 back when we were on Maemo4 and N8x0, and when N900 with Maemo5 came we all jumped to it anyway ;-) Nov 04 21:07:28 yes. The 'OMG' moment for me was when I realised my laptop HD was dying, and the easiest way for me to back it up was to rsync over onto the phone. Nov 04 21:07:39 ( it's a palm T5... I don't upgrade my hardware that often... ) Nov 04 21:07:54 SpeedEvil, :) Nov 04 21:10:01 Yeah I haven't really found a painless way of managing my time with the calendar Nov 04 21:10:08 ok - so at least everyone hasn't jumped up and screamed "no, the platform is dying" ;) Nov 04 21:10:15 but it was my first attempt at ever using a calender so I don't know what you're supposed to do Nov 04 21:10:36 like you say SpeedEvil - the other platforms aren't that good, I went through them and just took them out my options Nov 04 21:10:53 anyone have a working FMradio with 1.3? Nov 04 21:11:11 tugrik, well there's the vocal people who say "Omg I just bought Version A, and now Nokia is working on Version C already, I feel abandoned!" too Nov 04 21:13:31 yeah, with tech moving so fast you're always behind anyway - so I figure best to be behind on a platform I should be happy with Nov 04 21:13:44 * wmarone boggles at a rational statement Nov 04 21:14:48 ShadowJK: calendar Nov 04 21:15:22 oops Nov 04 21:15:47 oops? Nov 04 21:15:55 typo Nov 04 21:17:14 i2p is really nice Nov 04 21:18:14 realistically I'd expect the last maemo5 base os upgrade to be the last from Nokia Nov 04 21:18:36 in 2 years time it'll be as old as my desktop's linux os is now ;p Nov 04 21:22:12 the next device from nokia is probably going to be more normal-ppl-friendly and linux-nerd friendly, which will probably give it a bigger userbase, and perhaps finally attracting developers thaty will give us fart apps Nov 04 21:24:33 I don't care unless there's a Smell-O-Vision accessory to go along with it Nov 04 21:24:54 whens its due ShadowJK ? Nov 04 21:25:59 * tugrik crosses fingers and hopes for "next week" Nov 04 21:26:59 tugrik: it's not announced yet Nov 04 21:27:17 well, except the new CEO said "next year" Nov 04 21:27:52 not exactly - he said "it's a 2011 thing" OWTTE Nov 04 21:28:41 I'll get an N900 to tide me over then :) Been waiting for the next big thing for at least a year or so... because of getting on so well with the T5 I almost went with a plam WebOS phone.... Nov 04 21:28:46 s/plam/palm Nov 04 21:29:02 some companies claim to ship next millenium stuff today, others come up with 98 version in 99 and 3 months later they ship ME version ;-D Nov 04 21:37:59 There's a rather nice bug in Qt Creator that keeps causing it to crash. Nov 04 21:38:07 I know how to replicate it so I should really stop doing it .. Nov 04 21:41:52 * tugrik presses the "confirm order" button Nov 04 21:42:39 How can i increase the frequency of the blue led blink (which is triggered on a missed call)? Nov 04 21:43:11 trumee: edit the led patterns, there's an app for thatl Nov 04 21:43:33 alterego: hmm, this i guess http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/led-pattern-editor/ Nov 04 21:43:53 alterego: i was hoping i could change some number in mce.ini Nov 04 21:44:00 tugrik: congrats! Nov 04 21:44:06 alterego: without installing an app. Nov 04 21:44:22 The led pattern definition is documented but quite fiddly. Nov 04 21:44:34 not really :-P Nov 04 21:44:34 But sure, you should be able to. Nov 04 21:45:46 though LED pattern editor has a bug, showing always twice the real period time (or was it half?) Nov 04 21:46:30 trumee: it's actually simple Nov 04 21:46:50 ... to edit values in mce.ini - I do it 'all the time' Nov 04 21:48:14 trumee: you just have to understand there's a catch to use ramp down instruction when LED actually is zero brightness, to implement pause Nov 04 21:48:51 lemme check that blue flashing thing for you Nov 04 21:49:28 DocScrutinizer: thanks Nov 04 21:52:28 http://dosboxed-games.sandbox.cz/tracker/browser/arena-1.0.6/ Nov 04 21:54:39 DocScrutinizer: I wonder if we'll get a response to the feature request Nov 04 21:54:49 trumee: in [LEDPatternLystiRX51] change PatternCommunicationCall=30;1;0;b;9d80400002ff03ff02ff03ff71080000;9d800000 to PatternCommunicationCall=30;1;0;b;9d80400002ff03ff02ff03ff71040000;9d800000 Nov 04 21:55:30 DocScrutinizer: thanks Nov 04 21:56:23 DocScrutinizer: so there is a single digit change from 8 to 4? Nov 04 21:56:33 my charger have failed Nov 04 21:56:44 it's not charging at all Nov 04 21:56:49 plug looks all right Nov 04 21:56:56 it's charging fine from other charger Nov 04 21:57:04 and trouch converter thingy Nov 04 21:57:29 or, instead of 7104 (step down 4 steps of (71-42)/2*15.6 ms), you can use the equivalent cmd 6908 Nov 04 21:58:36 or 6710 Nov 04 21:58:44 or 6520 Nov 04 21:59:06 DocScrutinizer: do i need to reboot for changes to come into effect? Nov 04 21:59:32 restart mce will probably suffice, or maybe even killall -sighup mce Nov 04 21:59:40 reboot sure will do Nov 04 22:00:10 DocScrutinizer: cheers Nov 04 22:00:15 yw Nov 04 22:00:42 DocScrutinizer: you know x86 at all? Nov 04 22:01:05 err, isn'T that some processor/assembler code? :-P Nov 04 22:01:34 Hi Nov 04 22:01:56 heh Nov 04 22:02:17 yea i want to keep track of all the memory read/write/execute of a dosbox session (game) Nov 04 22:02:37 btw above written down formula gives me ideas where from LED pattern editors 'off by factor 2' time values might be Nov 04 22:03:23 ;-) Nov 04 22:04:07 hm Nov 04 22:05:49 Umm, I got a few questions, that sum up in one big, Aren't there any nerds using Maemo (N900), or why isn't there a virtual keyboard with all keys, a suitable alternative to osso-xterm, even a notifications script for irssi is missing, and the hilden desktop is not really a match for me either. I seem to be unable to find resources for a minimalist interface on my device, and it's out there a pretty long time Nov 04 22:06:29 Basically, large slices of the interface are closed. Nov 04 22:06:42 huh SpeedEvil Nov 04 22:06:45 Which mean that replacing single aspects of it can run into closed blobs. Nov 04 22:06:49 thats nothing to do with his questions Nov 04 22:07:07 It sort of is. Nov 04 22:07:19 I think mainly, it's because the XTerm is adequate. Nov 04 22:07:20 BigWookie, the VKB probably hasnt had that much loving (it got lots) because theres a hardware keyboard Nov 04 22:07:32 and frankly, switching whole screen console for a letterbox one Nov 04 22:07:34 is a bit odd Nov 04 22:07:35 The poor documentation as to what is closed, and what was open, lead many to think that bits that are really closed are open. Nov 04 22:08:00 Which delayed things several months Nov 04 22:08:02 But if you want to run some other "desktop" environment, there's always easy debian + xfce or whatever. Nov 04 22:08:10 yeah Nov 04 22:08:13 you can even run meego Nov 04 22:08:21 :P Nov 04 22:08:23 SpeedEvil: i don't see the problem in that, pretty much anything is conrollable via dbus and modular build Nov 04 22:08:25 alterego: which is a weak form of "run" Nov 04 22:08:44 BigWookie: but it's not. Nov 04 22:08:47 lcuk: the problem with the keyboard that it dosn't cover all keys :< Nov 04 22:08:48 SpeedEvil: don't you mean "lead many to think things are closed when in fact they are open"? Nov 04 22:09:10 BigWookie, it covers the majority - people complain about tab and pipe who use console Nov 04 22:09:27 BigWookie: The dbus implementation of the closed parts is not documented, only does what the other closed parts require, does not support introspection. Nov 04 22:09:27 and they find a way to switch out a couple of their keys and forget about it for another 6 months Nov 04 22:09:29 BigWookie: you obviously haven't done much development with the platform ;) Nov 04 22:09:50 Albeit, replacing the vkb input method is actually quite easy. So give it a go :P Nov 04 22:09:58 BigWookie: For example - you want to setup your IP connection to use a VPN - how do you do it? Nov 04 22:09:59 alterego: i should have written it differently, everything I need Nov 04 22:10:08 BigWookie: There is the linux answer. Nov 04 22:10:10 SpeedEvil: OpenVPN config and daemon Nov 04 22:10:20 (long rant meaning: "where is teh pipe key" Nov 04 22:10:38 BigWookie: Then you run into the problem that the connection daemon does not understand other connections than the ones it's set up. Nov 04 22:10:41 I don't use the interface really much, I just want to be able to use the phone and sms features without problems Nov 04 22:10:47 BigWookie: And the connection daemon is closed source. Nov 04 22:10:48 BigWookie: http://wiki.maemo.org/Customizing_Maemo#Keyboard_characters Nov 04 22:11:44 BigWookie: And that even if you have the interface up and configured (by installing wpaconfig say - as the existing client can't be driven that way, you then have to kill icd, and implement all its features in your app, in order for the device to work 'properly'. Nov 04 22:12:28 BigWookie: For example, if you have a working IP connection, the web browser does not know of this, and will try to bring up a connection through the normal manner. Nov 04 22:12:33 Does the Nokia Qt SDK have Qt 4.7? Nov 04 22:12:33 yoh, icd blob a major PITA Nov 04 22:13:07 APTX, it should have (get latest) if not, its certainly on the way as the bits are sorted Nov 04 22:13:13 it works nice for "standard" Nov 04 22:13:36 There are other binary blobs that you have to completely replace and reverse engineer all the interfaces if you want the device to keep working for 'normal' users - if you're wanting to change the way the device works. Nov 04 22:13:49 I already switched hardware keys, but I don't need a map for the F keys for example all the time, so I wanted to do this via a virtual keyboard (xvkbd in easy debian), which wouldn't work Nov 04 22:14:16 :nod: Nov 04 22:14:20 closed afaik Nov 04 22:16:27 I have to admit that I didn't look to much in the network section, thought I can handle the default linux way Nov 04 22:16:44 alas not at all Nov 04 22:17:17 Large slices of the 'normal' interfaces have been reengineered - some for good reaons - icd has a place. Nov 04 22:17:21 I can even bridge interfaces with iptables, why shouldn't I be able to configure my devices? Nov 04 22:17:23 There is no good alternative to it. Nov 04 22:17:26 BigWookie: See above Nov 04 22:17:30 connectivity is one of the devices core functions where Nokia insists "to differentiate" Nov 04 22:17:44 BigWookie: a) no wpa_config or normal tools Nov 04 22:17:49 BigWookie: This is easy to fix. Nov 04 22:17:56 I even concidered to use ratpoison with a few wrapper functions... Nov 04 22:18:02 b) icd will screw with any connections you bring up. Nov 04 22:18:28 c) the default software stack will not consider that the interface is available for use unless ICD has said it's brought it up Nov 04 22:18:36 d) underpants Nov 04 22:18:44 hehe Nov 04 22:18:53 boxershorts? Nov 04 22:19:11 -.- this is cruel Nov 04 22:19:22 They are the approved nokia mankini. Nov 04 22:20:09 how do the people with kde manage this? Nov 04 22:20:20 kde? o.O Nov 04 22:20:44 http://www.nokia.co.uk/ - compare the colourscheme - http://amyo.id.au/kelly/wordpress/wp-content/uploads/2009/01/borat-mankini.jpg Nov 04 22:21:11 http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems Nov 04 22:21:18 woops oO Nov 04 22:21:19 wah, I'm blind! Nov 04 22:21:28 http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_desktop_environments that Nov 04 22:22:05 do they claim all that shit is running for them? Nov 04 22:23:26 and, what exactly do they use of kde? Just the windows manager? or have they replaced icd by knetworkmanager and claim it works? Nov 04 22:23:49 Sorry I don't know how far the replacement goes Nov 04 22:23:57 :nod: Nov 04 22:24:42 and as it seems the wiki just went down for me Nov 04 22:26:05 Also. Nov 04 22:26:15 In general, be careful about assuming stuff on the wiki. Nov 04 22:26:32 I know, some stuff is deprecated Nov 04 22:26:35 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=20317 - is linked as 'current' from this page Nov 04 22:26:48 from a page off the alternative environments page Nov 04 22:27:13 * DocScrutinizer yawns Nov 04 22:27:19 boozetime o/ Nov 04 22:27:31 I just want to get rid of all the overhead :/ Nov 04 22:29:41 There is no question I need programms to handle the connections and call/sms stuff as well as alarm calendar etc, but I don't need a fanci ui, transitions and all that, and the mix of easy debian and native apps is also not my favourite Nov 04 22:31:28 you can turn off tansitions Nov 04 22:32:08 lcuk: The latest sdk was released yesterday. I installed the online version yesterday and it had docs for 4.7 but the toolchain was for 4.6. Now I DLed the full version and it does have 4.7 (at least the installer claims so) Nov 04 22:33:06 APTX, its possible, its all being shifted over at the moment Nov 04 22:33:21 along with adding toolchain options for meego i guess too Nov 04 22:33:28 There was an update you can get over the net. Nov 04 22:33:50 alterego, how is the qml going? Nov 04 22:33:58 or are you back onto native for most stuff Nov 04 22:34:00 alterego: I did check that as well, just before asking Nov 04 22:34:08 Hmm thanks for the support , gn8 Nov 04 22:34:11 Yo all! Nov 04 22:34:14 but if the full install really has it I'll just use that Nov 04 22:34:26 lcuk: it's going well, at the moment I'm doing some more lower level hacking. Nov 04 22:34:31 (FFT and audio stuff) Nov 04 22:34:34 sounds reasonable Nov 04 22:34:36 yeah i heard Nov 04 22:34:57 have you seen any of hte stuff pupnik and kotzcarny have been upto? or the audelicious app? Nov 04 22:35:08 Nope Nov 04 22:35:10 A silly question: just why can’t my N900 connect in WPA (either wpa or wpa2), with my own network, using all the right codes and all? Nov 04 22:35:13 alterego: Why? Nov 04 22:35:28 Bilaw: Works for me. Nov 04 22:35:28 alterego, audelicious is slick Nov 04 22:35:43 SpeedEvil: well, I wanted to write a guitar tuner app. Nov 04 22:35:49 Then I got hooked into FFT .. Nov 04 22:35:50 I assume it *must* work, SpeedEvil! Nov 04 22:35:58 alterego: ah Nov 04 22:36:03 Bilaw, wpa causes problems Nov 04 22:36:03 alterego, i was using app to tune a guitar the other nite Nov 04 22:36:12 So I learned about FFT, implemented my own and now I'm playing ^.^ Nov 04 22:36:12 make sure you're using wpa2 Nov 04 22:36:16 and dont use a hidden ssid Nov 04 22:36:30 lcuk: yeah, I noticed there was one release not so long ago. Nov 04 22:36:31 I’ve configured none of that, nidO… Nov 04 22:36:33 Which is a shame. Nov 04 22:36:33 Bilaw: Unfortunately, as discussed above, though I suppose you came in later - ICD is closed, and doesn't really do the debugging output thing. Nov 04 22:36:47 Bilaw: are you on channel 13, by any chance? Nov 04 22:36:55 alterego, was using kots osc app Nov 04 22:37:11 whats ICD, SpeedEvil? Nov 04 22:37:15 it has radial oscilliscope thats extremely good to look at Nov 04 22:37:17 Bilaw: internet connection daemon Nov 04 22:37:33 Heh, cool Nov 04 22:37:33 Oh. Nov 04 22:39:51 But anyway, it's been a long time since I've done any actual math programming stuff. Nov 04 22:41:04 So it's been quite fun. Nov 04 22:41:14 Bilaw: did you try rebooting it? Nov 04 22:42:15 APTX: you mean the tablet, not the router? Well, no, I’ll try that……… Nov 04 22:42:31 I meant the tablet Nov 04 22:43:09 I had a problem where the device wouldn't connect to a secure network Nov 04 22:43:10 oh, hang on, by “reboot“ you don’t mean simply turning it off and back on, do you? Nov 04 22:43:24 yes I did mean that Nov 04 22:44:13 that problem happened only once and it did fix itself after a reboot Nov 04 22:44:21 (pffew! I feared you’d have meant flashing the firmware, which usuallu takes me 3 hours and several attemps) Nov 04 22:45:28 Eh? Nov 04 22:45:38 Takes me less than a 3 minutes ... Nov 04 22:45:58 — well, I am *not* good at that, alterego… Not good at all. Nov 04 22:50:01 Meh, practice, all you have to do is run the flasher program and then plugin your N900 .. Nov 04 22:54:43 alterego: Yes, but many a times the package was not 777’d, and I couldn’t run it, and then I got lost between chgp and chown, and then I forgot my password, and then my tea was ready, and then I’d forgotten I had a flashing going on, and then I couldn’t press those fcuking ctrl-shift-A+X+# while singing a B-flat at the same time, and then I would give up and smoke another cigarette, and that’s why it takes me 3 hours, alterego. Nov 04 22:54:45 I am not good, I told you… Nov 04 22:55:45 Erm ... Nov 04 22:55:52 I don't think any of that actually matters .. Nov 04 22:56:19 and by the way, APTX, it worked. Rebooting was enough (I thought that was the kind of Wind0w$ solution, though) Nov 04 22:56:28 — Yes, alterego?  Nov 04 22:56:48 Thanks many many times, APTX Nov 04 22:57:25 Bilaw: there is some deamon you could kill, but I don't remember which or where I found that info (other than the maemo forums) Nov 04 22:59:13 (and, as you would have gathered, APTX, I am about as good at ps aux than i am at sudo flash (or is it su-./-do flash? Never learnt.) Nov 04 23:01:18 Anyway, is it acceptable to ask you all where you are typing from? (I am thinking country, not nature of the chair) Nov 04 23:02:39 Bilaw, my usual answer is from Earth; it saves a lot of questions. Nov 04 23:03:13 Hmm. Thats because you know not me! But at least you took the trouble to answer! Nov 04 23:07:19 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yLS35kyYlOU Nov 04 23:11:57 http://alterego.metapath.org/maemo/fourier/Screenshot-20101104-230255.png Nov 04 23:12:06 Me doing a very convincing middle C :D Nov 04 23:12:38 umm... Nov 04 23:12:54 alterego, cool Nov 04 23:12:59 Okay, I was 3 hz flat :( Nov 04 23:13:00 look at this: http://www.youtube.com/user/cowbot2#p/a/u/1/nsyqwi8rmEM Nov 04 23:13:01 Why is that mirrored? Nov 04 23:13:19 I thought it would look cooler. Nov 04 23:13:41 I mean - on the x axis Nov 04 23:13:52 coolness should not be underestimated :P Nov 04 23:14:05 Because FFT graphs are symentric Nov 04 23:14:22 alterego, take a peek in audelicious Nov 04 23:14:29 alterego: err - no they are not Nov 04 23:14:45 Really? Well, this one is .. Nov 04 23:15:00 Probably due to the sine and cosine Nov 04 23:15:18 SpeedEvil, "All characters appearing in this work are fictitious. Any resemblance to real persons, living or dead, is purely coincidental." Nov 04 23:15:57 alterego: see http://wb4mak.com/ Nov 04 23:16:24 SpeedEvil: harmonics? or a bug in gnuprolog Nov 04 23:17:03 Dunno. But DFTs are not symmetric Nov 04 23:18:28 I think you'll find that they are, it's just most people only plot half of the generated array Nov 04 23:18:52 yeah; I seem to remember you have to discard something like the i-component on FFT Nov 04 23:19:01 DFT Nov 04 23:19:04 whatever Nov 04 23:19:24 otherwise you get that symetric things Nov 04 23:19:29 Oh - you're plotting the I and Q components? Nov 04 23:19:35 They're not actually symmetric Nov 04 23:19:51 Well, no, and either is the graph :P Nov 04 23:20:02 also windowing is an art Nov 04 23:20:09 yeah - it's approximately - which is what I was wondering about. Nov 04 23:20:14 yep. Nov 04 23:20:23 I've not done any windowing. Nov 04 23:20:29 Will add that next. Nov 04 23:20:59 Well, next I'm going to do some averaging, I might add windowing but it's not needed for my guitar tuner. Nov 04 23:21:06 Then I'm going to write a noise cancellation filter. Nov 04 23:21:17 Anyhow, bed time :) Nov 04 23:21:23 Night. Nov 04 23:21:32 Take care folks Nov 04 23:21:53 * DocScrutinizer51 suspects alterego 's voice organ (sorry wod missing) creates some bright 1st harmonic :-D Nov 04 23:22:34 speaking of visualizations, I love the "libvisual jess plugin" in Rythmbox Nov 04 23:24:40 Voicebox Nov 04 23:25:11 (though the voiceboxes output is heavily modified by the throat and mouth in most people. (apart from the decapitated) Nov 04 23:25:19 RST38h: could we maybe get fontsize zoomin in xchat via vol+-, like in xterm? Nov 04 23:26:04 would be lovely ^ Nov 04 23:26:10 Well - yuou'd want it as a bindable Nov 04 23:26:26 you can bind the zoom buttons to do arbitrary things as it is rught now. Nov 04 23:26:42 SpeedEvil: I know Nov 04 23:27:05 wouldn't want to go to complex in my request Nov 04 23:27:23 a sane developer will know how to implement Nov 04 23:30:00 SpeedEvil: actually my vol keys are unbound as I hoped that'd make them do volume. Alas works only once after xchat startup :-o Nov 04 23:34:09 http://wiki.bennington.edu/wiki/The_Arcades_Project (disassembling robotron 2084) "The amazing thing about Robo is how it completely throws away the event loop, and uses interrupts for each object that moves." Nov 04 23:37:42 http://svn.bennington.edu/viewvc/svn/robotron <<< seems to be down, and missing from archive.org Nov 04 23:53:09 i wonder how many games are available on maemo Nov 04 23:53:25 and if it competes at all with android or iOS as far and quantity of games Nov 04 23:54:07 No. Nov 04 23:54:11 Absolutely not. Nov 04 23:54:32 (that is not counting hte various emulated games) Nov 04 23:54:48 why not count those too? Nov 04 23:54:50 * MohammadAG just realized Jaffa's avatar is a J, an F, and a A Nov 04 23:54:51 * DocScrutinizer51 is missing mokomaze Nov 04 23:55:01 http://talk.maemo.org/image.php?u=15155&dateline=1205676131 Nov 04 23:55:05 tripzero: that isn't an unreasonable question, but many of them are not playable. Nov 04 23:55:19 hrm Nov 04 23:55:32 tripzero: For example - because there is a spectrum emulator does not mean that the games are actually playable, due to keyboard or other constraints. Nov 04 23:55:43 true Nov 04 23:55:46 Also - the rights issues are unclear. Nov 04 23:55:55 and if it competes at all with android or iOS as far and quantity of games <-- No from me too Nov 04 23:56:03 ant these games weren't really made for maemo Nov 04 23:56:06 *and Nov 04 23:56:12 it doesn't compete with Symbian^3, and that was recently released Nov 04 23:56:19 ouch Nov 04 23:56:35 There is one? Compelling commercial game. Angry birds. Nov 04 23:56:42 And that's it. Nov 04 23:56:48 Have I missed any? Nov 04 23:56:55 hrm Nov 04 23:57:03 OTOH Nov 04 23:57:12 I've played nethack on it, and it works fine. Nov 04 23:57:17 i suppose quantity of users probably dictates available games... Nov 04 23:57:30 Not only that. Nov 04 23:57:31 there are other games Nov 04 23:57:36 hopefully meego changes that Nov 04 23:57:40 Crazy hamster or whatever Nov 04 23:57:46 rollercoaster game Nov 04 23:57:57 but all of those(?) or more are on Symbian^3 Nov 04 23:58:16 The problem is not only the audience - it's also nokia have basically screwed up really hard on encouraging commercial devs in. Nov 04 23:58:18 I'm surprised how many games were ported to Symbian^3, looks well supported by developers Nov 04 23:58:24 angry birds is awesome on it Nov 04 23:58:42 better than on the N900 if I may add Nov 04 23:58:45 rly? Nov 04 23:58:50 yes Nov 04 23:58:51 it's pretty good on the n900 imho Nov 04 23:59:03 higher FPS on the N8 Nov 04 23:59:15 what's the n8 sporting as the cpu? Nov 04 23:59:19 * tripzero wikipedia's Nov 04 23:59:29 some ARM11 680MHz CPU Nov 04 23:59:37 but the GFX chip is epic iirc Nov 04 23:59:51 hrm Nov 04 23:59:57 nice Nov 05 00:00:06 i really want the n9 Nov 05 00:00:10 i need a second phone Nov 05 00:00:16 and don't want to get an android Nov 05 00:00:19 I need a second N900 Nov 05 00:00:20 not even just for the wife Nov 05 00:01:13 only 256mb ram still? Nov 05 00:01:28 Symbian isn't a memory hog Nov 05 00:01:42 it'll run out of memory, but it can get 200MBs free on bootup I think Nov 05 00:01:44 or at least 150 Nov 05 00:02:18 cam starts in 2 secs, focusing -> capturing -> processing takes 2 secs Nov 05 00:02:30 browser's shit Nov 05 00:02:34 n9 doesn't have a wikipedia page yet :( Nov 05 00:02:59 cam starts faster than maemo? Nov 05 00:03:07 yes, and it's a 12MP one Nov 05 00:03:16 * tripzero wishes it started slightly faster on the n900 Nov 05 00:03:50 only disappointment would be non LED flash to accompany the xenon one Nov 05 00:03:55 so no flashlight Nov 05 00:04:13 no LED* Nov 05 00:04:24 haha Nov 05 00:04:25 true Nov 05 00:04:50 rotation is almost instant on symbian, probably due to the light transitions Nov 05 00:05:20 and I'm surprised that the gallery scrolls faster and smoother than the iPhone 4, so they finally got it right Nov 05 00:05:29 rotation on maemo is laughable Nov 05 00:05:32 capacitive screens are meh Nov 05 00:05:32 meego is much better Nov 05 00:06:02 don't like meego for some reason Nov 05 00:06:06 it feels like a downgrade Nov 05 00:06:15 right now... it is Nov 05 00:06:18 same goes for android Nov 05 00:06:36 the UI concept is a downgrade, not the speed/features Nov 05 00:06:40 meego doesn't quite have the hacker ethos feel yet Nov 05 00:06:56 and it won't, at least imo Nov 05 00:07:07 why not? Nov 05 00:07:09 it's shaping up to be a consumer's phone Nov 05 00:07:25 well, that's kinda the UI design goal Nov 05 00:07:40 I hope they miss those goals Nov 05 00:07:44 but there's no reason why you can't qml up your own awesomeness Nov 05 00:07:52 Maemo 5 has an epic UI Nov 05 00:08:05 i like it, but it has its quirks Nov 05 00:08:08 requires learning Nov 05 00:08:19 which consumer's don't know how to do easily Nov 05 00:08:28 keeps friends away from most private stuff Nov 05 00:08:33 haha Nov 05 00:08:49 a friend of mine took about 10 minutes to figure out how to open the menu Nov 05 00:09:01 wow Nov 05 00:09:09 i can see that... Nov 05 00:09:20 and most of my friends think Maemo is a theme, for symbian Nov 05 00:09:20 android isn't much better in some areas though Nov 05 00:09:43 heh, you must not live in the states. nobody here knows wtf symbian is Nov 05 00:09:54 let alone maemo Nov 05 00:09:58 Most devices are symbians here Nov 05 00:10:18 the iPhone failed, a $1600 price tag wasn't the best thing it got Nov 05 00:10:26 sheesh Nov 05 00:10:40 yeah, outside the us, things aren't subsidized Nov 05 00:10:53 that is subsidized, sorta Nov 05 00:10:58 it's not unlocked Nov 05 00:11:00 which i really dislike about the states... Nov 05 00:11:11 i hate being locked into contracts Nov 05 00:12:41 which is one of the reasons why i like the n900 Nov 05 00:12:45 (unlocked ftw) Nov 05 00:13:49 true Nov 05 00:14:00 all of the phones I have (and use) are unlocked Nov 05 00:14:05 there's simlocked n900 Nov 05 00:14:11 overall though, compared to android/ios, maemo5 is the most capable OS Nov 05 00:14:36 hi can some help me please with my nokia n900 Nov 05 00:14:42 shore Nov 05 00:14:50 step 1) n900 Nov 05 00:14:53 2) hammer Nov 05 00:14:56 3)... Nov 05 00:14:59 4) profit! Nov 05 00:15:01 ~ask Nov 05 00:15:02 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Nov 05 00:15:11 ~ack Nov 05 00:15:12 *ACK* *ACK* *ACK* Nov 05 00:15:28 i tried to update my nokia n900 to the latest update it gave me an error after it had backed up and tried to install the software it asked me to reboot and try again Nov 05 00:16:05 now when i m trying to reboot it is telling me all telelphony functions including ememrgency calls are disabled due to a communicATION ERROR. Nov 05 00:16:16 TORECOVER YOU MIGHT HAVE TO REBOOT THE DEVICE Nov 05 00:16:25 I HAVE DOME THAT 5 TIMES AND STILL NOTHING Nov 05 00:16:30 off caps Nov 05 00:16:31 sorry for the caps Nov 05 00:16:35 thx Nov 05 00:16:46 you tried to over-the-air update? Nov 05 00:17:15 like not from ovi suite but from the phone itself Nov 05 00:17:27 you probably want to flash it Nov 05 00:17:32 i hear it's the safest method Nov 05 00:17:37 ok Nov 05 00:17:41 i m new to it Nov 05 00:17:42 ~pr1.3 Nov 05 00:17:42 it has been said that pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Nov 05 00:17:46 no worreis Nov 05 00:17:49 so could u pls tell me how to go about it Nov 05 00:17:51 you'll lose all apps though Nov 05 00:17:59 meh, that's what backup is for Nov 05 00:18:08 ~flash Nov 05 00:18:08 methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 05 00:18:10 settings, contacts, texts and similar stuff will not be touched Nov 05 00:18:24 as well as media Nov 05 00:18:36 so flashing means formatting? Nov 05 00:18:46 pretty much yes Nov 05 00:18:53 err... Nov 05 00:19:00 but the 32GB part won't be lost Nov 05 00:19:32 you said you did a backup Nov 05 00:19:55 it'll bring back all your stuff, after flashing Nov 05 00:20:10 when you send an n900 in for service, do they wipe the 32gig part ? Nov 05 00:20:29 just don't flash eMMC aka VANILLA Nov 05 00:20:53 tripzero: usually they do Nov 05 00:21:01 grumble... Nov 05 00:21:09 oh well, i made a backup in case they did Nov 05 00:21:22 can i message someone in private Nov 05 00:21:30 and can they help me step by step please Nov 05 00:21:36 i don't wanna mess up my phone Nov 05 00:21:37 :) Nov 05 00:21:48 no, just because theres no secrets Nov 05 00:21:55 follow the instructions above Nov 05 00:21:58 in ~flash Nov 05 00:21:59 ~flash Nov 05 00:22:00 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 05 00:22:07 and Nov 05 00:22:10 ~pr1.3 Nov 05 00:22:10 extra, extra, read all about it, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Nov 05 00:22:22 and ask questions here if needed ;) Nov 05 00:22:40 it's really hard to mess up your phone Nov 05 00:22:42 come here and everybody loves to help Nov 05 00:22:55 go PM and get lost Nov 05 00:24:05 woukd you trust a single unknown person? Nov 05 00:24:14 ok it sent me to this page : http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/maemo-dev-env-downloads.php Nov 05 00:24:20 am i going right so far Nov 05 00:24:34 yes Nov 05 00:24:41 now what to do next Nov 05 00:24:50 read Nov 05 00:24:57 ~flash Nov 05 00:24:57 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 05 00:25:04 completely Nov 05 00:25:30 don't flash VABNILLA Nov 05 00:26:21 i m lost Nov 05 00:26:27 what do i click on next Nov 05 00:26:43 have a linux PC at hand (windiowws is a PITA) Nov 05 00:27:22 is it known that Nov 05 00:27:25 or wait for help from other windoze users here Nov 05 00:27:47 is it known that the libsdl-mixer1.2 package is broken with 1.3 dependencies? Nov 05 00:27:56 when i install it, it wants to remove mp-fremantle-002-pr Nov 05 00:28:13 libsdl is borked since months Nov 05 00:28:45 starts to get epic Nov 05 00:29:01 oh Nov 05 00:30:59 vickyk73: read abot ~flashing. reread. read again Nov 05 00:31:12 download flasher and images Nov 05 00:31:29 come here if problems Nov 05 00:40:07 i have downloaded the flasher on my computer Nov 05 00:40:17 now i put imeli in the field Nov 05 00:40:46 and i m downloading the maemo 5 global release file Nov 05 00:40:56 am i doing everything correct so far? Nov 05 00:41:08 yes Nov 05 00:41:10 :-) Nov 05 00:41:18 so what's gonna be the next step Nov 05 00:41:32 i m new to this so pls forgive me if i sound ignorant Nov 05 00:41:33 start flashing Nov 05 00:41:33 :) Nov 05 00:41:54 hi Nov 05 00:41:54 of COMBINED Nov 05 00:42:13 so i double click on my pc Nov 05 00:42:24 or do i have to transfer the files on to the nokia n900 Nov 05 00:42:38 nope Nov 05 00:43:15 depending on what OS you use on your PC, you follow steps as described on Nov 05 00:43:18 ~flash Nov 05 00:43:19 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Nov 05 00:43:22 xp Nov 05 00:44:01 linux is much easier to get it right, but xp should work afaik Nov 05 00:44:57 you need to become admin, or whatever that's called. start a admin commandshell Nov 05 00:45:18 then follow the steps as written in ~flashing Nov 05 00:45:27 it's all there Nov 05 00:45:36 just read a 4th time Nov 05 00:45:44 I know it's a mess Nov 05 00:47:19 iirc something like shift-enter selecting "cmd" from menu is involved Nov 05 00:47:42 sorry no windows here since 15 years Nov 05 00:49:52 ignore shit, read "Updating or re-flashing the firmware using the Flasher" Nov 05 00:51:40 >>>Open the Command Prompt (Start then Run or Windows Logo key + R) and type cmd then press Enter Nov 05 00:52:58 vickyk73: you're still alive? Nov 05 00:57:48 * DocScrutinizer waves Nov 05 00:58:03 vickyk73: good luck Nov 05 01:02:35 (it's kinda annoying Nokia tailors things for windoze users instead of supporting linux geeks properly and trusting in linux community's abilities to set up proper windows interface and instructions) Nov 05 01:03:44 rather rotten kind of thinking Nov 05 01:04:39 seems the WORLD caters to windows and windows users. :( Nov 05 01:04:55 "we're building a linux based phone, but our target customer profile is windows noobs" - W*T*F?? Nov 05 01:05:57 and here is the link to the sync_client.exe sigh Nov 05 01:06:00 Linux users capable of getting access to a windows machine or vm: 99%. Windows users capable of getting access to a linux vm: 0%. Nov 05 01:06:12 til now I've not seen a sible company succeed on this approach Nov 05 01:06:20 single* Nov 05 01:07:27 DocScrutinizer: The android ones seem to be doing OK, but I guess they aren't specifically aiming for Windows noobs. Nov 05 01:07:29 FauxFaux: so this tells us what exactly? Nov 05 01:07:55 You lot need to quit whining. :) Nov 05 01:08:20 FauxFaux: I more feel like kicking Nov 05 01:08:32 sorry doc i was reading Nov 05 01:08:40 i m still here Nov 05 01:08:48 ok Nov 05 01:08:57 so i have downloaded both files on my pc Nov 05 01:09:11 i double clicked on the flasher and installed it to my pc Nov 05 01:09:14 does maemo have a keyring app? Nov 05 01:09:39 do i install the other file as well on my pc? Nov 05 01:10:23 well the other file is a .bin file and it will not install like the flasher Nov 05 01:10:23 vickyk73: nope Nov 05 01:10:30 rpgdude: for what? Nov 05 01:10:42 ssh keys Nov 05 01:11:01 so doc what do i do now Nov 05 01:11:14 i have the command prompt open now as well Nov 05 01:11:21 vickyk73: refer to ~flashing, the command there needs to be entered into this blacjk cmdshell window Nov 05 01:11:31 somethign like gnome-keyring or kwallet Nov 05 01:11:35 command prompt is good Nov 05 01:11:39 so do i keep the phone still unplugged Nov 05 01:11:47 yes Nov 05 01:11:49 ok Nov 05 01:11:54 i want ur help Nov 05 01:11:56 as i go along Nov 05 01:12:14 despite what's written on wiki, you should start flasher cmdline now Nov 05 01:12:36 flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Nov 05 01:12:53 but make sure you got admin rights for that Nov 05 01:13:20 anybody to help me out on how to makes ure you got ""root"" on windows? Nov 05 01:13:54 not sure if that's also applicable for xp, but in vista and later, you find cmd.exe, and do rightclick->run as administrator Nov 05 01:14:09 the only thing i can find is keychain package Nov 05 01:14:09 YES!! Nov 05 01:14:29 but I've heard of the shift-click thing Nov 05 01:14:39 it doesn't look like in integrates with the desktop very well Nov 05 01:14:54 yeah - shift click, or shift enter, something Nov 05 01:15:08 im just wondering if there is an easy/official way to get this working Nov 05 01:15:47 Shapeshifter: any command for cmd.exe to check if you're admin? Nov 05 01:15:52 doc it's asking me to press U on device when plugging in USB Nov 05 01:16:01 yes Nov 05 01:16:05 wait Nov 05 01:16:08 do i press U on my computer keyboard or on my phone keyboard Nov 05 01:16:17 no, on N900 Nov 05 01:16:21 cool Nov 05 01:17:20 or what's "sudo" for win-xp? Nov 05 01:17:56 DocScrutinizer: http://support.microsoft.com/kb/294676 Nov 05 01:18:09 vickyk73: sorry, I got no f'ng clue about windows. I'm sure somebody else can walk you thru flashing easily, here Nov 05 01:18:16 DocScrutinizer: the command itself is called runas http://www.microsoft.com/resources/documentation/windows/xp/all/proddocs/en-us/windows_security_runas_shortcut.mspx?mfr=true Nov 05 01:18:53 it says press u till windows installs the driver Nov 05 01:18:59 how long does it take Nov 05 01:19:05 and how will i know Nov 05 01:19:20 vickyk73: first start the cmdline like Nov 05 01:19:26 flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R Nov 05 01:19:41 THEN plug in the N900 Nov 05 01:20:11 while holding 'u' (not exatly needed, but wn't hurt) Nov 05 01:20:30 DocScrutinizer: i dunno Nov 05 01:20:40 flashing / flasher should start instantly Nov 05 01:21:07 rpgdude: I have no idea sorry. The only thing I use for ssh keys is ssh-agent. Nov 05 01:21:18 ok Nov 05 01:21:19 * DocScrutinizer sighs and hands over the pilot seat to random anybody Nov 05 01:21:35 how do i setup ssh-agent on the n900? Nov 05 01:21:48 and how does it unlock the keyring, on boot? Nov 05 01:22:16 please help vickyk73 to flash his N900 to 1.3 Nov 05 01:22:54 rpgdude: man ssh-agent. Basically you run ssh-agent and then you unlock/add the keys to it using ssh-add Nov 05 01:23:41 doc will eb back in 5 mins Nov 05 01:23:45 then m gonna flash Nov 05 01:26:50 Has anyone verified if new calendar entries' alarms still work with PR1.3? I read some people may be having issues. Nov 05 01:27:37 I'm still after a way to elegantly back up/download OVI purchases. I'm interested what others use as a solution (maybe I'm the only one using OVI stuff :P) Nov 05 01:34:09 i did excatly as u said Nov 05 01:34:26 and nothing is happening doc Nov 05 01:34:53 doc u there? Nov 05 01:37:30 hello Nov 05 01:48:54 when i add my key to the ssh-agent, it works, but only for that session Nov 05 01:48:55 vickyk73: When you plugged it in, you were holding down 'u'? Nov 05 01:49:32 if i start a new agent (or reboot) it doesnt remember the key i added Nov 05 01:50:01 rpgdude: I capture the output of ssh-agent and source it for each shell. Basically you need the env variables, SSH_AUTH_SOCK and/or SSH_AGENT_PID Nov 05 01:51:03 ah Nov 05 01:51:47 i think you just need to start the ssh agent before X Nov 05 01:51:53 i found this post Nov 05 01:52:04 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=568438 Nov 05 01:52:08 rpgdude: That would work too presumably. Nov 05 01:52:37 rpgdude: Effectively it's the same however, you just need those variables set, so that ssh knows the agent is running and how to talk to it. Nov 05 01:54:02 yeah Nov 05 01:54:08 thats not really my problem though Nov 05 01:54:19 i want to unlock the key on login Nov 05 02:01:09 i basically have to run ssh-add everytime i reboot my n900 Nov 05 02:02:15 rpgdude: Yep, you could maybe use something like zenity to GUI prompt on boot or something maybe. Nov 05 02:02:22 rpgdude: you know you can set 'queen beecons' to run once on desktop start? Nov 05 02:02:46 really? Nov 05 02:03:02 isn't it 'per refresh' Nov 05 02:03:08 yes - if that was to me. Nov 05 02:03:15 no Nov 05 02:04:06 seems I really need some days off Nov 05 02:04:57 update policy - at startup Nov 05 02:04:59 is one option Nov 05 02:05:01 there are many Nov 05 02:06:45 well i will figure it out some other time, im going to bed Nov 05 02:34:37 heh, yay linux acpi... my laptop now "fails" to hibernate... in that it saves its state, but doesn't turn the laptop off. i need to hold down the power button.. but when i try to resume, it works without issue **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Nov 05 02:59:58 2010