**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Nov 10 02:59:57 2010
Nov 10 03:12:14 <Gorroth> i'm interested in seeing the N9
Nov 10 03:12:34 <Gorroth> but for now, I'm busy turning the N900 into the ultimate "top secret pocket computer" that is ued for "cool stuff"
Nov 10 03:13:02 <Gorroth> speaking of which, i'm updating libnet-1.1.2.1-2 in extras-devel to libnet-1.1.5-1 very soon... tonight maybe
Nov 10 03:16:15 <Gorroth> hope the N9 works on t-mobile
Nov 10 03:43:27 <Proteous> got a cheap 3m pocket projector off of woot.com today
Nov 10 03:43:41 <Proteous> hooked it up to my n900, works quite well
Nov 10 03:44:51 <Gorroth> oh, sweet
Nov 10 03:45:05 <Gorroth> Proteous: use it to show an impromptu porn at your nearest major city
Nov 10 03:45:10 <Proteous> heh
Nov 10 03:45:13 <Gorroth> then run when the cops show up
Nov 10 03:45:29 <Proteous> I'm in the middle of making a bluetooth SNES controller
Nov 10 03:45:37 <Gorroth> with the n900?
Nov 10 03:45:51 <Proteous> that will connect to my n900 yes
Nov 10 03:45:52 <Gorroth> that sounds like not fun to use :(
Nov 10 03:45:56 <Gorroth> oh
Nov 10 03:46:05 <Gorroth> you mean the n900 will be an emulator then?  and not the controller?
Nov 10 03:46:35 <Proteous> yeah
Nov 10 03:46:44 <Gorroth> okay, that sounds awesome then
Nov 10 03:46:51 <Proteous> playing nes/snes games on the built in keyboard sucks
Nov 10 03:47:03 <Gorroth> i thought you were going to use the n900 itself as a controller, and i couldn't imagine that being fun
Nov 10 03:47:06 <Gorroth> yeah
Nov 10 03:47:24 <Proteous> but having a portable wireless nes/snes system that can project a 50in picture on a wall is cool :P
Nov 10 03:47:43 <Gorroth> yeah, that is awesome
Nov 10 03:47:50 <Gorroth> you should take that to your local major city and do it
Nov 10 03:47:56 <Gorroth> and run when the cops show up
Nov 10 03:48:00 <Proteous> ...
Nov 10 03:48:05 <Gorroth> just run
Nov 10 03:48:08 <Gorroth> do it
Nov 10 03:48:18 <Proteous> I just wish the bluetooth keyboard support on the n900 wasn't so fuxored up
Nov 10 03:48:26 <Gorroth> also act surprised and say something about how they're after you
Nov 10 03:48:32 <Proteous> uh huh :P
Nov 10 03:48:57 <Gorroth> yeah, i ahven't tried using any bt stuff on the n900 other than a headset
Nov 10 03:49:30 <Proteous> keyboard support is disabled by default, and even when you reenable it the keymappings are all messed up
Nov 10 03:49:39 <Gorroth> suck
Nov 10 03:49:44 <Gorroth> have to use a lot of xmodmap?
Nov 10 03:49:53 <Proteous> yeah and it's wonkey
Nov 10 03:50:03 <Gorroth> yeah
Nov 10 03:51:54 <GAN900> Wee, understaffed hardware-division-beholden software developers suck
Nov 10 03:57:41 <johnx> GAN900, they suck for being beholden to the hardware division?
Nov 10 03:57:44 <johnx> or it sucks for them?
Nov 10 03:58:39 <Gorroth> hmm, i thought the n900 had the option to do video calls on skype now
Nov 10 03:58:43 <Gorroth> but i can't find that anywhere
Nov 10 03:59:20 <johnx> it's in the 'phone' app itself after you make a skype account
Nov 10 03:59:32 <Gorroth> yeah, i have a skype account
Nov 10 03:59:43 <Gorroth> i've been using audio skype on there for a long time
Nov 10 04:05:17 <GAN900> johnx, seems a big part of Nokia's problems are related to the hardware division settings all of the requirements.
Nov 10 04:10:32 <johnx> GAN900, true. just sounded like you were bashing the software developers because of the situation :P
Nov 10 04:12:13 <johnx> hallo andrewfblack :D
Nov 10 04:12:45 <andrewfblack> johnx: Hey
Nov 10 04:13:14 * andrewfblack must have pissed people off with his Clock App Blog Post
Nov 10 04:13:40 <andrewfblack> people are even thumb downing my Theme Announcement Blog Posts now
Nov 10 04:13:48 <johnx> bummer
Nov 10 04:14:20 <johnx> I just switched to the new maemo-org theme, too
Nov 10 04:14:41 <andrewfblack> like it?
Nov 10 04:14:51 <johnx> probably the first theme I really feel like I can live with since digital nature
Nov 10 04:15:00 <johnx> (I missed the first version of the maemo-org theme ...)
Nov 10 04:15:36 <andrewfblack> johnx: Yeah I really should have updated maemo-org months ago
Nov 10 04:16:19 <johnx> the faenza icons look great on maemo as well. I'd been using them on my desktop for a couple months
Nov 10 04:16:21 <andrewfblack> I'm still not in love my background but when ever I talk about changing it some people get upset so I just leave it lol
Nov 10 04:16:48 <johnx> I use a panorama pic that I've been using since forever
Nov 10 04:17:17 <johnx> but I've never used the background that came with the theme ;)
Nov 10 04:17:21 <andrewfblack> Most of that was shazosbourne I just did a few dozen of them he is the one that really work hard on those.  I'm doing a new set of smiles to match the style as well should be out this week
Nov 10 04:17:21 <johnx> even back to the windowmaker days
Nov 10 04:17:43 <johnx> hot sauce
Nov 10 04:18:13 <andrewfblack> I found a wood floor background that just looks awsome with the icons and the colors, the wood has a slight orange color to it
Nov 10 04:19:03 <johnx> one of the ones on n900wallpapers.com?
Nov 10 04:19:07 <andrewfblack> btw If I have anything to say about it maemo-org will be the first community theme for Meego Handset.
Nov 10 04:19:10 <andrewfblack> johnx: yeah
Nov 10 04:19:51 <andrewfblack> I also got some custom desktop switcher icons i made for the left, right,1,2,3, and 4
Nov 10 04:20:43 <johnx> I guess the meego colors are purple and greyish. It's weird but I'm really a big fan of orange hilights in themes
Nov 10 04:21:58 <andrewfblack> johnx: I'm should change the name I guess but I will be doing this orange/grey theme in Meego, guess calling it maemo-org will confuse Meego people
Nov 10 04:22:12 <johnx> a bit :)
Nov 10 04:22:27 <johnx> I almost think you should do it
Nov 10 04:22:43 <andrewfblack> I'll have to come up with a name for it
Nov 10 04:22:49 <johnx> but I'm sometimes amused by other people's confusion, so I might not be a good judge ...
Nov 10 04:22:56 <andrewfblack> lol
Nov 10 04:23:10 <andrewfblack> Maybe I'll call it Something(maemo-org)
Nov 10 04:23:32 <johnx> retro-n900?
Nov 10 04:23:53 <andrewfblack> its about 60% down now no way to change themes in Meego to test it, might be able to just copy files over I guess
Nov 10 04:23:58 <andrewfblack> johnx: thats not bad
Nov 10 04:24:09 <pauly_> hi i need help
Nov 10 04:24:17 <johnx> hi pauly_. what's up?
Nov 10 04:24:25 <pauly_> i recorded some vids off n900
Nov 10 04:24:54 <pauly_> and they wont play throut the video out composite?
Nov 10 04:26:15 <pauly_> any ideas?
Nov 10 04:26:52 <johnx> so they play in the video player? what happens when you play them with the video out cable plugged in? do they appear on the N900 screen but not the tv?
Nov 10 04:26:58 <johnx> as much info as possible please
Nov 10 04:27:11 <pauly_> yes
Nov 10 04:27:24 <GAN900> johnx, well, I'm not super impressed by most of them, either.
Nov 10 04:27:35 <pauly_> thats exactly what happens
Nov 10 04:27:37 <GAN900> andrewfblack, hey-oh.
Nov 10 04:28:13 <andrewfblack> GAN900: Whats up
Nov 10 04:28:57 <GAN900> andrewfblack, delivered a big project this evening. Looking forward to a (quiet) rest of the week and then Dublin.
Nov 10 04:29:25 <johnx> GAN900, but you're still here :)
Nov 10 04:29:40 <johnx> pauly_, do other videos play fine on the tv?
Nov 10 04:29:49 <pauly_> none
Nov 10 04:29:51 <pauly_> do
Nov 10 04:29:55 <GAN900> johnx, sucker for punishment?
Nov 10 04:30:04 <johnx> does anything show up on the tv when you plug in the cable? like the normal desktop?
Nov 10 04:30:14 <andrewfblack> GAN900: Nice, wish I could be there but like the last shows I'm going to be working lol these things always happen when I'm working 72 hours a week and can't get off
Nov 10 04:30:37 <pauly_> yes everything shows up
Nov 10 04:30:49 <GAN900> Well, they scheduled it during the week, so who's surprised. ;)
Nov 10 04:30:56 <pauly_> but when i play videos it goes blank
Nov 10 04:31:01 <johnx> GAN900, the thought that MeeGo is probably the last real alternative to iOS/Android?
Nov 10 04:31:32 <GAN900> johnx, raster was teasing Samsung's unannounced MeeGo killer yesterday.
Nov 10 04:31:42 <johnx> GAN900, yeah. I saw
Nov 10 04:31:45 <johnx> my statement stands
Nov 10 04:31:50 <GAN900> *g*
Nov 10 04:32:15 <GAN900> More depressing than heartening, these days, that MeeGo is the last hope.
Nov 10 04:32:21 <johnx> raster is super-talented, and I'm excited for him, but I think Samsung is pretty clearly in the Android camp
Nov 10 04:32:23 <andrewfblack> GAN900: Looks like there wont be a Florida Linux Show to go to this year btw.
Nov 10 04:32:47 <GAN900> andrewfblack, tangent was saying nobody had organized anything.
Nov 10 04:33:14 <andrewfblack> GAN900: yeah I've been watching there site and still says they are looking for a place to have it.
Nov 10 04:33:17 <GAN900> Saves a couple of exhausting days, anyway.
Nov 10 04:33:45 <andrewfblack> GAN900: lol come on it was fun you got a turkey sandwich for free
Nov 10 04:33:51 <GAN900> Ha
Nov 10 04:33:57 <andrewfblack> and a coke
Nov 10 04:34:19 <andrewfblack> ok I made out better I got a sheeva plug but hey its still in the box lol
Nov 10 04:34:29 <GAN900> Oops
Nov 10 04:34:43 <GAN900> Need to set yourself up something stupid
Nov 10 04:34:49 <johnx> not so impressed with the sheeva/guru-plug
Nov 10 04:34:53 <GAN900> Like a frontdoor monitor.
Nov 10 04:35:10 <GAN900> Should be cheaper for that hardware
Nov 10 04:35:16 <andrewfblack> lol I know just no time to play with it
Nov 10 04:35:33 <andrewfblack> johnx: I'm not either but I won mine in a fixed contest I'm I didn't complain
Nov 10 04:35:34 <johnx> GAN900, the guru-plug basically can't even run without cooling modifications
Nov 10 04:35:34 <GAN900> An Arduino is most suitable for many of its applications, unfortunately.
Nov 10 04:35:46 <GAN900> johnx, oh?
Nov 10 04:36:08 <johnx> yeah. had an order in, surfed the forums, most were essentially DoA
Nov 10 04:36:29 <johnx> so I canceled and got a really nice Q-nap with great debian support
Nov 10 04:36:44 <johnx> similar CPU, more expensive. totally worth it
Nov 10 04:39:14 <andrewfblack> GAN900: I have  been considering starting a Panhandle, Southeast Alabama, Soutwest Georgia Meego Local Network that is if I can get off my butt and really get into things again.
Nov 10 04:39:44 <GAN900> Not much concentration out there.
Nov 10 04:40:01 <GAN900> Might be more rewarding once things start shipping.
Nov 10 04:40:16 <andrewfblack> GAN900: yeah that is what I'm thinking which is why I havn't moved on it yet
Nov 10 04:41:41 <andrewfblack> Has anyone considered that after Meego Launches and maemo starts to shrink its going to be hard to find 10 people to vote for application updates?
Nov 10 04:43:36 <ShadowJK> The visibility and discoverability of that voting thing is nonexistant too
Nov 10 04:45:05 <ShadowJK> plus the vote buttons don't work on my computer unless I edit the URL :-)
Nov 10 04:48:44 <johnx> andrewfblack, did you get enough votes to get in extras yet?
Nov 10 04:49:38 <andrewfblack> still need 3 more since someone down voted it with no comments http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemo-org/2.0.1-9/
Nov 10 04:52:46 <johnx> looks like you only need 2 more :)
Nov 10 04:53:22 <andrewfblack> thats all I need now :)
Nov 10 04:54:30 <andrewfblack> maybe one day I will learn the right way to package my themes instead of the crazy way I do it
Nov 10 04:54:56 <johnx> heh. well, you can learn it for meego
Nov 10 04:55:38 <andrewfblack> lol maybe
Nov 10 05:45:25 <Gorroth> i have to say i really like the ubuntu theme on the n900
Nov 10 05:45:32 <Gorroth> it makes it look a lot more modern, IMO
Nov 10 06:14:08 <andrewfblack> Only need 1 more vote on my theme http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/maemo-org/2.0.1-9/
Nov 10 06:14:58 <|njsf|> andrewfblack i'll test it
Nov 10 06:15:07 <andrewfblack> |njsf|: thanks
Nov 10 06:16:02 <|njsf|> last few times I noticed though that the alarm repeat days and time of disabled entries were just numbers
Nov 10 06:16:33 <andrewfblack> |njsf|: yeah its a known problem with themes.  There is a fix for it I'm going to try on my next version
Nov 10 06:17:22 <andrewfblack> It seems that the alarm has trouble with some font colors.
Nov 10 06:17:28 <|njsf|> ok I'll install it knowing that is not there yet and no snafus happening will vote it up
Nov 10 06:18:05 <|njsf|> the an-droid theme and black plastic got it right
Nov 10 06:18:12 <|njsf|> most others not
Nov 10 06:18:52 <andrewfblack> ok, yeah I talked to d-iivil that bug has been around since start of maemo5  and fix was just recently found
Nov 10 06:18:57 <|njsf|> and I use alarm enough to annoy me and uninstall themes who fail that part
Nov 10 06:19:24 <andrewfblack> funny thing is I use white for that color but they say the color of the font is the problem
Nov 10 06:24:47 <|njsf|> there you seem to have 11 now
Nov 10 06:24:57 <andrewfblack> thanks
Nov 10 06:25:33 <andrewfblack> well I got 11 up and 1 down so it equals 10 thanks
Nov 10 06:25:51 <andrewfblack> now I just have to wait 4 more days lol
Nov 10 06:26:36 <Gorroth> what happens when you vote for it
Nov 10 06:27:16 <Gorroth> building an ettercap maemo package now :)  i've already got squid and libnet in extras-devel now
Nov 10 06:27:37 <Gorroth> once i test that the build packages up nicely here, i'll ship it off to drop.maemo.org for inclusion to extras-devel :)
Nov 10 06:27:49 <Gorroth> btw, squid has transparent proxy support and ssl bump in it
Nov 10 06:28:20 <|njsf|> Gorroth voting is to promote package from extras testing to extra
Nov 10 06:28:54 <|njsf|> you developer commit to extras dev which may have unstable packages
Nov 10 06:29:08 <Gorroth> okay
Nov 10 06:29:20 <|njsf|> you developer promote to extras testing once you feel it is stable
Nov 10 06:29:22 <Gorroth> now, when you get promoted, is a maintainer assigned to the package like they do in debian or ubuntu?
Nov 10 06:29:26 <Gorroth> or do you stay on as maintainer?
Nov 10 06:30:01 <andrewfblack> you stay maintainer
Nov 10 06:31:31 <Gorroth> ok
Nov 10 06:31:35 <Gorroth> just submitted ettercap
Nov 10 06:31:47 <Gorroth> we'll see if the autobuilder can build it; it's possible i forgot a dep or something
Nov 10 06:32:17 <Gorroth> and then i can finally get to testing squid and ettercap this week :)  along with wireless AP abilities >:)
Nov 10 06:33:34 <Gorroth> damn it; the build failed
Nov 10 06:35:47 * slonopotamus yawns
Nov 10 06:36:25 <Gorroth> why are you yawning, sir?
Nov 10 06:36:38 <slonopotamus> 9:30am
Nov 10 06:37:54 <Gorroth> oh yeah
Nov 10 06:40:39 <andrewfblack> I found a couple of colors that fix the bug but I can't find one I like
Nov 10 06:41:55 <Gorroth> woooooo!! ettercap finished building for armel and i386 on maemo's autobuilder
Nov 10 06:44:35 * slonopotamus tries to stop reading it as 'utter crap' :P
Nov 10 06:44:41 <Gorroth> haha
Nov 10 06:44:46 <Gorroth> it is far from that :)
Nov 10 06:45:08 <Gorroth> just waiting for it to hit extras-devel
Nov 10 06:45:46 <Gorroth> honestly not sure why it's taking so long
Nov 10 06:51:11 <andrewfblack> I didn't know my phone could get a STD I guess we don't need virus protection for phones.  http://www.pcmag.com/article2/0,2817,2372409,00.asp
Nov 10 06:54:27 <Gorroth> ettercap-ng is now up on extras-devel
Nov 10 06:54:39 <Gorroth> have fun h4x1ng!
Nov 10 06:54:58 <Gorroth> now i just need to build some sort of GUI that makes this whole thing easy to use
Nov 10 07:04:56 <Gorroth> andrewfblack: well, i recently learned about digital glory holes scattered across NYC
Nov 10 07:05:05 <Gorroth> and i'm going to hook my N900 up to one this weekend if my USB dongles arrive
Nov 10 07:05:19 <Gorroth> http://deaddrops.com/ -- digital glory holes
Nov 10 07:30:08 <lolloo> hellooo0oo guys
Nov 10 07:30:19 <lolloo> need your help please
Nov 10 07:30:30 <lolloo> I updated power kernel just now
Nov 10 07:30:46 <lolloo> but now I cant use multiboot menu
Nov 10 07:31:08 <lolloo> when I choose power kernel its says not availible
Nov 10 07:31:14 <lolloo> what shall I do?
Nov 10 07:31:36 <lolloo> need you help guys
Nov 10 07:32:00 <lolloo> I cant boot to power kernel anymore after the update
Nov 10 07:32:16 <lolloo> I updated power kernel just now
Nov 10 07:32:41 <lolloo> maybe I need to edit the multiboot file using leaf pad
Nov 10 07:32:56 <lolloo> but can someone please show me where I can find it
Nov 10 07:33:14 <lolloo> where I can find the file for multiboot items
Nov 10 07:34:41 <lolloo> guys where can I find multiboot items files so I can edit it
Nov 10 07:34:49 <lolloo> for the new power kernel
Nov 10 07:51:25 <crashanddie_> lolloo, we're not the power kernel support channel, frankly
Nov 10 07:51:40 <crashanddie_> lolloo, would suggest you ask on tmo, or contact the power kernel maintainer/developers directly.
Nov 10 07:51:52 <lolloo> oh
Nov 10 07:52:05 <lolloo> alright, thanks
Nov 10 07:52:16 <crashanddie_> that being said
Nov 10 07:52:21 <crashanddie_> ask MohammadAG first :P
Nov 10 07:57:48 <RobbieThe1st> Hi all
Nov 10 08:07:54 <RobbieThe1st> Hm... Resizing the optfs/MyDocs partitions would be so much easier with parted... I wonder if the debian ARM packages would work..
Nov 10 08:11:02 <jave> is it possible to save waypoints in the map aplications? for instance, to find my way back to a particular place.
Nov 10 08:11:30 <andax> whoever did it, thanks for adding poppler-utils to repos, after all :-)
Nov 10 08:16:24 <crashanddie_> why the hell do I always get 15 mod points?
Nov 10 08:16:27 <crashanddie_> (on slashdot)
Nov 10 08:18:41 <chibi-taiga> guys
Nov 10 08:19:03 <chibi-taiga> i have a problem, my radio stopped worlking
Nov 10 08:19:45 <chibi-taiga> it says "cantload fm radio driver module"
Nov 10 08:20:39 <chibi-taiga> what can i do about it
Nov 10 08:21:41 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: have you tried rebooting?
Nov 10 08:22:23 <chibi-taiga> yes it worked yesterday , i use radio everyday and now it stopped working
Nov 10 08:23:08 <jacekowski> that wasn't the question
Nov 10 08:23:13 <jacekowski> have you rebooted your phone?
Nov 10 08:23:22 <zeltak> morning..anyone know of a prog to record phone calls for the n900?
Nov 10 08:23:23 <chibi-taiga> yes
Nov 10 08:24:43 <chibi-taiga> there is one for record phone calls
Nov 10 08:24:50 <chibi-taiga> i use it
Nov 10 08:25:22 <chibi-taiga> search for recaller
Nov 10 08:25:42 <zeltak> thx chibi-taiga
Nov 10 08:26:47 <crashanddie_> note that in some countries it's illegal to record phone conversations without the other person's consent/knowing.
Nov 10 08:27:12 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: in most countries you can record it and then ask for consent to store it
Nov 10 08:27:24 <chibi-taiga> well here at the netherlands these kinds of things arnt lilligal
Nov 10 08:27:40 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: so you can record conversation that's unaffected by person knowing that it's recorded
Nov 10 08:27:40 <RobbieThe1st> In the USA, even, it varies by state.
Nov 10 08:27:43 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: it is
Nov 10 08:27:56 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: you have to let other person know at some point that it's recorded
Nov 10 08:27:56 <chibi-taiga> no since they all do it
Nov 10 08:28:08 <zeltak> heheh thx for thre legal advice but my attorney actually requested i record the call :)
Nov 10 08:28:30 <chibi-taiga> anyways about my radio module
Nov 10 08:28:32 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: and have you noticed that at start of every phone call to some more official place it says "this call may be recorded/monitored/something"
Nov 10 08:28:39 <jacekowski> zeltak: attorney?
Nov 10 08:28:41 <chibi-taiga> can it be fixed?
Nov 10 08:28:45 <jacekowski> zeltak: where are you calling
Nov 10 08:28:52 <zeltak> israel
Nov 10 08:28:56 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: answer my question
Nov 10 08:29:03 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: have you restarted your phone
Nov 10 08:29:08 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: remove battery
Nov 10 08:29:11 <jacekowski> chibi-taiga: and start it again
Nov 10 08:29:19 <zeltak> i live in the us but an visiting now in israek
Nov 10 08:29:23 <crashanddie_> chibi-taiga, only as long as you don't distribute the recording
Nov 10 08:29:26 <zeltak> *israel
Nov 10 08:29:32 <zeltak> anyway thx for the info
Nov 10 08:29:38 <andax> . o O ( in some countries, the brain counts as data storage and in some not )
Nov 10 08:29:43 <chibi-taiga> uhm kay ill try
Nov 10 08:29:52 <chibi-taiga> in a few mins
Nov 10 08:31:10 <crashanddie_> jacekowski, same in the UK, only legal if you don't share the recording with a 3rd party
Nov 10 08:34:52 <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't think you're allowed to in Germany at all...
Nov 10 08:35:30 <CutMeOwnThroat> and it won't be able to be used in courts and such
Nov 10 08:36:31 <CutMeOwnThroat> would be fun to prepend a "this call can be monitored for quality assurance, if you disagree with this policy, hang up now" to your calls with an automated voice :)
Nov 10 08:37:01 <CutMeOwnThroat> damn companies are doing it to you why shouldn't you be allowed to do everyone else in reverse
Nov 10 08:37:15 <nidO> you can, nothing stopping you
Nov 10 08:37:40 <CutMeOwnThroat> although it might be a bit weird if it's you calling someone
Nov 10 08:38:11 <nidO> well, if you're calling someone that has that message their end, you dont need to give it to them
Nov 10 08:39:02 <CutMeOwnThroat> I don't think that they tell you they're recording automatically gives you the right to record as well
Nov 10 08:40:27 <nidO> well in the uk it does - all companies here very specifically word their messages as "this call may be recorded" rather than "we may record this call" as the former gives permission both ways, which allows either party to share the recording
Nov 10 08:41:50 <CutMeOwnThroat> hm, that wording sounds familiar, I never thought of it that way
Nov 10 08:42:28 <CutMeOwnThroat> I thought it just means this message may or may not be recorded, as they might only be recording selected ones?
Nov 10 08:43:15 <CutMeOwnThroat> not so sure about German law... you might not even be allowed to record calls with that warning
Nov 10 08:49:07 <johnx> CutMeOwnThroat, "might be a bit weird if it's you calling someone" Haven't you gotten one of those emails with the massive signatures about how  the information included above is confidential and you're obligated to destroy it if the sender accidentally sent it the wrong person?
Nov 10 08:59:00 <achipa> X-Fade: ping
Nov 10 09:04:36 * timeless_webchat cries
Nov 10 09:05:31 * johnx gives timeless_webchat a cookie
Nov 10 09:05:56 <timeless_webchat> johnx: i don't suppose you know of a way to set up per connection proxies on os x?
Nov 10 09:06:22 <johnx> can you react to connection events?
Nov 10 09:06:29 <johnx> I mean, adium does
Nov 10 09:06:56 <johnx> why not just bring the proxy up when a connection comes up that matches a certain string
Nov 10 09:09:43 <timeless_webchat> you want me to write a program to do something my n900 can do?
Nov 10 09:09:45 <timeless_webchat> oh gosh
Nov 10 09:10:04 <johnx> sorry, I should have said: d-bus owns. mac os fails :D
Nov 10 09:10:06 <timeless_webchat> i was typing, and microsoft's autoupdate had launched installer.app for a critical update
Nov 10 09:10:14 <timeless_webchat> and the dialog came up while i was typing
Nov 10 09:10:23 <timeless_webchat> so my <space> key went to the app instead of this window
Nov 10 09:10:25 <X-Fade> achipa: pong
Nov 10 09:10:35 * timeless_webchat thanks apple for sucking
Nov 10 09:10:48 <johnx> the mistake you made was letting that auto-updater thing on your machine in the first place
Nov 10 09:10:56 <andax> "this call may be recorded" is also heard at some company phone calls, at isp and mobile providers in particular. i believe it is practized the same in germany
Nov 10 09:11:02 <timeless_webchat> johnx: not very automatic
Nov 10 09:11:06 <timeless_webchat> i had to manually open it from help>check for updates
Nov 10 09:11:20 <andax> +is also heard here in switzerland
Nov 10 09:11:20 <johnx> aaah, ok. the *other* updater thing
Nov 10 09:11:39 <timeless_webchat> oddly, i opened it from word 2008
Nov 10 09:11:48 <timeless_webchat> and i believe it's offering me an office 2011 update
Nov 10 09:12:14 <johnx> it'll probably delete 2008 and install a trial of 2011
Nov 10 09:13:51 <timeless_webchat> i have both installed
Nov 10 09:13:58 <chibi-taiga> well it didnt work
Nov 10 09:14:04 <timeless_webchat> timeless-mbp:TemporaryItems timeless$ du -sh .
Nov 10 09:14:09 <timeless_webchat> 2.5G	.
Nov 10 09:14:13 * timeless_webchat feels great
Nov 10 09:14:26 <chibi-taiga> so any other options to fux radio?
Nov 10 09:14:33 <chibi-taiga> fix
Nov 10 09:14:37 <timeless_webchat> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/845659
Nov 10 09:14:50 <timeless_webchat> and if i'm not mistaken, it has *multiple* copies of the same stupid updater
Nov 10 09:15:37 <timeless_webchat> chibi-taiga: do i want to know what you did to your radio?
Nov 10 09:15:49 <chibi-taiga> nothing
Nov 10 09:16:07 <chibi-taiga> it says "error cant load radio module"
Nov 10 09:16:11 <johnx> chibi-taiga, run dmesg, paste output to pasite.org
Nov 10 09:16:17 <timeless_webchat> it doesn't say that
Nov 10 09:16:23 <timeless_webchat> because "cant" isn't a word
Nov 10 09:16:27 <chibi-taiga> dmseg?
Nov 10 09:16:37 <chibi-taiga> can't
Nov 10 09:16:38 <johnx> in a terminal
Nov 10 09:16:40 <timeless_webchat> dmesg != dmseg
Nov 10 09:16:47 <johnx> uhm, hmm
Nov 10 09:16:52 <chibi-taiga> how dol i do that?
Nov 10 09:16:56 <timeless_webchat> transposing characters or randomly omitting them aren't good ideas
Nov 10 09:17:25 <johnx> timeless_webchat, you left out the period at the end.
Nov 10 09:17:35 <chibi-taiga> so i just have to type dmseg?
Nov 10 09:17:42 <timeless_webchat> johnx: I'm not using sentence capitalization.
Nov 10 09:18:06 <johnx> chibi-taiga, yeah, then copy the last screen or so of lines and put them on pastie.org
Nov 10 09:18:11 <chibi-taiga> kk
Nov 10 09:18:44 <chibi-taiga> so what part?
Nov 10 09:18:45 <johnx> actually, it'd be best if you caused the 'can't load radio module' error again, then ran dmesg
Nov 10 09:18:49 <chibi-taiga> its quite alist
Nov 10 09:18:58 <timeless_webchat> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/845665
Nov 10 09:19:01 * timeless_webchat kicks someone
Nov 10 09:19:01 <johnx> chibi-taiga, all of it would be nice. paste it to pastie.org
Nov 10 09:19:04 <timeless_webchat> that's just evil
Nov 10 09:19:15 <chibi-taiga> eh cant it log it?
Nov 10 09:19:36 <timeless_webchat> dmesg > ~/MyDocs/dmesg.txt
Nov 10 09:19:40 <chibi-taiga> kk
Nov 10 09:19:49 <crashanddie_> timeless, rm -rf -- *mpkg
Nov 10 09:20:01 <timeless_webchat> crashanddie_: yeah yeah
Nov 10 09:20:06 <timeless_webchat> already donee
Nov 10 09:20:10 <crashanddie_> k :)
Nov 10 09:20:27 <tybollt> chibi-taiga: ye my friend is complaining ALOT about the radio shitz :S
Nov 10 09:20:38 <tybollt> chibi-taiga: it is known br0cken then?
Nov 10 09:20:53 <johnx> crashanddie, aaaah, I was going to try and get him to create some insane bash pipeline to do it
Nov 10 09:20:59 <chibi-taiga> gimme a sec trying to save it as log
Nov 10 09:23:05 <CutMeOwnThroat> johnx, yeah... the existance of those emails doesn't invalidate _anything_ what I said about weird...
Nov 10 09:23:39 <johnx> CutMeOwnThroat, just that you'd be in good company :)
Nov 10 09:24:03 <CutMeOwnThroat> johnx, for a certain value of "good"
Nov 10 09:24:14 <johnx> heh
Nov 10 09:24:35 <chibi-taiga> how can i save it on ms?
Nov 10 09:24:38 <X-Fade> achipa: 4.7.5-maemo1, right? :)
Nov 10 09:24:47 <chibi-taiga> it cant creat the txt
Nov 10 09:25:10 <johnx> chibi-taiga, what?
Nov 10 09:29:09 <chibi-taiga> img600.imageshack.us/img600/6269/screenshot2010111010222.png
Nov 10 09:29:19 <chibi-taiga> if i try to creat a txt
Nov 10 09:30:01 <crashanddie_> johnx, for i in `find . -name *mpkg`; do rm -rf $i; done?
Nov 10 09:30:21 <johnx> crashanddie, I think that will show the same error though
Nov 10 09:30:39 <crashanddie_> that's the whole point :D
Nov 10 09:30:48 <johnx> chibi-taiga, type it exactly as he did: dmesg > ~/MyDocs/dmesg.txt
Nov 10 09:30:53 <johnx> there is no space between ~ and /
Nov 10 09:30:59 <chibi-taiga> oh
Nov 10 09:31:04 <chibi-taiga>  my mbad
Nov 10 09:31:49 <timeless_webchat> would rm -rf "$i" in that case have worked?
Nov 10 09:31:50 <chibi-taiga> where can i upload txt?
Nov 10 09:32:04 <johnx> chibi-taiga, pastie.org
Nov 10 09:32:16 <crashanddie_> timeless, nope
Nov 10 09:32:25 <timeless_webchat> open it in notes/browse and copy it
Nov 10 09:32:30 <timeless_webchat> then paste it into pastie.org
Nov 10 09:32:38 <timeless_webchat> s/browse/browser/
Nov 10 09:32:44 <crashanddie_> timeless, to check, do a touch "-foo"
Nov 10 09:32:54 <crashanddie_> should yell that option o is invalid
Nov 10 09:33:13 <timeless_webchat> "'$i'" ? :)
Nov 10 09:33:29 * timeless_webchat hates unix command parsing
Nov 10 09:33:46 <timeless_webchat> the windows approach is safer :)
Nov 10 09:33:48 <johnx> timeless_webchat, fine. we're sending you back to DOS
Nov 10 09:33:57 <crashanddie_> timeless, well, no, that would try to delete '$i'
Nov 10 09:33:59 <crashanddie_> not $i
Nov 10 09:34:10 <timeless_webchat> for /f "usebackq" ...
Nov 10 09:34:23 <crashanddie_> touch "'-foo'" > results in file '-foo'
Nov 10 09:34:53 <timeless_webchat> anyone here get email from delivery.net?
Nov 10 09:35:01 <timeless_webchat> i'm trying to figure out how evil they are
Nov 10 09:35:19 <crashanddie_> pretty evil
Nov 10 09:35:26 <timeless_webchat> http://www.mywot.com/en/scorecard/delivery.net
Nov 10 09:35:30 <crashanddie_> second google hit for delivery.net is a mcafee advisor website
Nov 10 09:35:31 <timeless_webchat> seems to mark them as evil
Nov 10 09:35:44 <timeless_webchat> the mcafee site isn't very negative on them sadly
Nov 10 09:35:58 <chibi-taiga> johnx http://pastie.org/1286610
Nov 10 09:36:02 <timeless_webchat> it basically says "we scanned and found nothing wrong, they're innocent"
Nov 10 09:36:07 <timeless_webchat> the comments say "they're evil"
Nov 10 09:36:12 <timeless_webchat> but that's "below the fold"
Nov 10 09:36:26 <sivang> meh, stupid web jouranlist bashing symbian
Nov 10 09:36:31 <johnx> timeless_webchat, the fact that it's hit #2 probably means that everyone is trying to figure out if they're evil
Nov 10 09:36:38 <sivang> but I think he took it from arstechnica
Nov 10 09:36:43 * sivang tries to find the original article
Nov 10 09:37:13 <sivang> hey timeless_webchat , what's dlivery.net? a parcel service?
Nov 10 09:37:27 <timeless_webchat> sivang: a spam delivery service :)
Nov 10 09:37:56 <timeless_webchat> seems to offer various major retail providers
Nov 10 09:38:09 <timeless_webchat> try google: inurl:delivery.net
Nov 10 09:38:55 <johnx> chibi-taiga, are you on PR1.3? are you using a custom kernel (kernel-power) and/or overclocking? Did you install the fm radio app before upgrading to PR1.3?
Nov 10 09:38:58 <sivang> timeless_webchat: heh
Nov 10 09:39:04 <sivang> timeless_webchat: sounded like so
Nov 10 09:39:15 <chibi-taiga> no overclocking
Nov 10 09:39:33 <chibi-taiga> like i said yesterday it worked fine
Nov 10 09:39:44 <chibi-taiga> and today it doesnt
Nov 10 09:40:00 <chibi-taiga> and yes i kave a linux kernal installed
Nov 10 09:40:38 <crashanddie_> hah
Nov 10 09:40:49 <chibi-taiga> update well i think a week ago i did that and i reinstalled everything i had on it
Nov 10 09:40:52 <crashanddie_> after 3 days trying to find why a song by the lostprophets sounded so familiar, I found the song it reminded me of
Nov 10 09:41:53 <johnx> chibi-taiga, did you reboot between yesterday and today? take any app updates? install anything new? drop your phone on the ground and stomp on it?
Nov 10 09:42:21 <timeless_webchat> crashanddie_: ... and?
Nov 10 09:42:45 <crashanddie_> timeless_webchat, nothing, just that. My inner OCD-abiding part is put to rest.
Nov 10 09:42:46 <chibi-taiga> humm i did install something 2 days ago the h-e-n
Nov 10 09:42:56 <chibi-taiga> but it failed
Nov 10 09:43:08 <chibi-taiga> li e most applications
Nov 10 09:43:11 <timeless_webchat> what was the song?
Nov 10 09:43:11 <chibi-taiga> like
Nov 10 09:43:38 <crashanddie_> timeless, the chorus, part where they sing "We're holding on, we're holding on" http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=zjNRNeKqQqA
Nov 10 09:43:44 <johnx> "but it failed like most applications": expand on that a bit
Nov 10 09:44:04 <chibi-taiga> well after upgrade os
Nov 10 09:44:08 <crashanddie_> timeless, sounds exactly the same as The Von Bondies C'mon C'mon http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RFGo5cqcxP4
Nov 10 09:44:15 <chibi-taiga> all applications are gone right?
Nov 10 09:44:23 <chibi-taiga> so i reinstalled them
Nov 10 09:44:25 <sivang> overclocking looks scary
Nov 10 09:44:30 <sivang> judging by the document
Nov 10 09:44:35 <chibi-taiga> and some failed
Nov 10 09:45:19 <chibi-taiga> most likely bcuz the files/apps already existed but aint in the hkey like in windows
Nov 10 09:45:48 <chibi-taiga> but i dont know how to wipe tha application memory
Nov 10 09:46:17 <johnx> when you say you updated the OS, did you reflash or use the OTA update?
Nov 10 09:46:30 <chibi-taiga> i used nsu3
Nov 10 09:46:35 <chibi-taiga> thats all i did
Nov 10 09:47:05 <johnx> have you tried rebooting since your radio stopped working?
Nov 10 09:47:24 <chibi-taiga> yes and remove battery as surguested
Nov 10 09:48:01 <Termana> Hold on a second
Nov 10 09:48:06 <Termana> You didn't say what I think you just said
Nov 10 09:48:27 <Termana> The HKEY like in Windows? As in... the Windows Registry?
Nov 10 09:48:32 <Termana> HA :p
Nov 10 09:48:34 <chibi-taiga> yeah
Nov 10 09:48:48 <Termana> chibi-taiga, there's no such thing on Linux
Nov 10 09:48:50 <nidO> nix systems dont work anything like that
Nov 10 09:48:55 <chibi-taiga> apps arnt registered yet they are in the memory
Nov 10 09:48:57 <chibi-taiga> oh
Nov 10 09:48:59 <johnx> chibi-taiga, try this in google: "error can not load fm radio driver module" site:talk.maemo.org
Nov 10 09:49:26 <chibi-taiga> ok
Nov 10 09:50:29 <sivang> compare http://arstechnica.com/gadgets/news/2010/11/symbian-foundation-scaling-down-as-nokia-takes-charge.ars (seems to be the original) with - http://www.ynet.co.il/articles/0,7340,L-3981858,00.html , note the surreal image.
Nov 10 09:50:49 <timeless_webchat> Termana: well
Nov 10 09:50:57 <Termana> timeless_webchat,
Nov 10 09:50:58 <timeless_webchat> if you treat gconf and the file system as equivalent to hkey
Nov 10 09:51:01 <Termana> wait
Nov 10 09:51:01 <Termana> don't say gconf
Nov 10 09:51:10 <Termana> pre-emptive strike
Nov 10 09:51:10 <timeless_webchat> then his analogy isn't terrible
Nov 10 09:51:11 <Termana> :p
Nov 10 09:51:13 <timeless_webchat> it ain't wonderful
Nov 10 09:51:20 <timeless_webchat> but it ain't terrible
Nov 10 09:51:24 * timeless_webchat isn't sure how stupid nsu is
Nov 10 09:51:30 * timeless_webchat hasn't used it w/ an n900
Nov 10 09:51:40 <timeless_webchat> or at least, not in 3+months
Nov 10 09:52:01 <chibi-taiga> i installed that h-e-n so could it be that?
Nov 10 09:52:13 <johnx> timeless_webchat, I get the feeling that it's a known, solved problem with the way radio app looks for kernel modules
Nov 10 09:52:28 <johnx> that's why I suggested that specific google search ;)
Nov 10 09:52:48 <chibi-taiga> so if i uninstall that its fixed?
Nov 10 09:53:20 <chibi-taiga> it failed on install though yet its there
Nov 10 09:53:52 <johnx> huh? when you go to install it, it fails?
Nov 10 09:54:19 <achipa> X-Fade: no, actually not that one :) libmeegotouch :)
Nov 10 09:54:23 <chibi-taiga>  when i installed hen yes
Nov 10 09:54:38 <timeless_webchat> what the heck is h-e-n?
Nov 10 09:54:46 <sivang> my question as well
Nov 10 09:54:46 <chibi-taiga> like  i said it fails on install on some apps
Nov 10 09:55:13 <johnx> timeless_webchat, also: find ./ -type f -print0 | xargs -0 rm
Nov 10 09:55:14 <Termana> sivang, A lot of us here probably don't read/write the other language on the second page you linked to, so it's hard for us to compare :p
Nov 10 09:55:30 <timeless_webchat> johnx: -maxdepth 1 ?
Nov 10 09:55:35 <chibi-taiga> maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/hostmode-gui/0.2-2/
Nov 10 09:55:37 <chibi-taiga> hen
Nov 10 09:55:47 <johnx> timeless_webchat, damn. you caught the trap *shakes fist*
Nov 10 09:56:10 <timeless_webchat> trap?
Nov 10 09:56:12 <achipa> X-Fade: kill all versions of it in extras-* free
Nov 10 09:56:32 <johnx> chibi-taiga, ah, and you're using the -devel repository. great :P
Nov 10 09:56:33 <achipa> (note free, that's the important part :) )
Nov 10 09:56:46 <X-Fade> achipa: Of 4.7.5* or everything?
Nov 10 09:57:12 <chibi-taiga> i guess yes
Nov 10 09:57:21 <chibi-taiga>  i use all repositorys
Nov 10 09:57:45 <johnx> that's not a very good idea. often packages in -devel are broken. otherwise they'd be in testing
Nov 10 09:58:13 <johnx> I'd try to uninstall the radio app and reinstall it from extras or extras-testing if it's there
Nov 10 09:58:18 <timeless_webchat> users are funny
Nov 10 09:58:18 <chibi-taiga> ahh i see
Nov 10 09:58:32 <RobbieThe1st> Basically: If you use extras-devel, you are giving up any right to complain when things break.
Nov 10 09:58:44 <johnx> otherwise, you'll need to look at the thread you found in that google search, and try and figure out what solution people already came to, to solve it
Nov 10 09:58:51 <chibi-taiga> i use this fater application installer
Nov 10 09:59:22 <Termana> faster*
Nov 10 09:59:24 <Termana> fapman
Nov 10 09:59:43 <sivang> Termana: I've been trying to find the english version of this pinhead's article, to no avail
Nov 10 09:59:46 <crashanddie_> I still believe that project has to be renamed
Nov 10 09:59:51 <sivang> Termana: the image for me was too much-
Nov 10 10:00:07 <chibi-taiga> yes faster
Nov 10 10:00:25 <sivang> Termana: someone is going too far to note how "bad" symbian is, and I just found another article by the same dude, praising the N8, but giving it a low mark for the price
Nov 10 10:00:35 <chibi-taiga> so i have to diable that devel?
Nov 10 10:00:57 * RobbieThe1st crosses fingers and hopes that the maemo scratchbox installs/compiles properly on my x86_64 system, and that he doesn't have to try to kludge something together from the version in apt.
Nov 10 10:01:19 <nidO> "for the price"? The economics of an n8 are about the last thing he can complain about, its crazily cheap compared to practically anything else comparable
Nov 10 10:01:41 <chibi-taiga> ok so i uninstall hen
Nov 10 10:01:48 <sivang> Termana: he goes to great length using terrible death descriptions which is uncalled for in such a "technical" article.
Nov 10 10:02:39 <timeless_webchat> RobbieThe1st:good luck w/ that
Nov 10 10:02:46 <RobbieThe1st> chibi-taiga: Note that "h-e-n" is experimental hostmode support, and uses it's own kernel, which means you may have to reinstall the default kernel to completely remove it
Nov 10 10:03:19 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 10 10:03:22 <johnx> timeless_webchat, also, does that "network location" thing help with keeping proxy settings from being "on for everything"?
Nov 10 10:03:34 <RobbieThe1st> I'm just hoping the ia32-compatibility libs allow it to work, and/or it ends up compiling.
Nov 10 10:03:42 <timeless_webchat> johnx: the thing w/ automatic?
Nov 10 10:03:49 <timeless_webchat> it's only for your network order
Nov 10 10:03:53 <timeless_webchat> wifi/en/firewire/usb
Nov 10 10:03:56 <timeless_webchat> it's totally useless
Nov 10 10:04:02 * timeless_webchat kicks apple for misplacing the widget
Nov 10 10:04:09 <timeless_webchat> i.e. no!
Nov 10 10:04:30 <johnx> timeless_webchat, also, can be used to disable interfaces. it seems. (didn't realize that order was anything but cosmetic, I must admit ...)
Nov 10 10:04:35 <sivang> morning Jaffa
Nov 10 10:04:59 <timeless_webchat> yeah, it isn't totally cosmetic or totally useless
Nov 10 10:05:00 <timeless_webchat> it's just misplaced
Nov 10 10:05:03 <timeless_webchat> and terribly confusing
Nov 10 10:05:19 <timeless_webchat> because it's perfectly logical for a certain location's ethernet to need a different proxy
Nov 10 10:05:45 <timeless_webchat> but totally not supported
Nov 10 10:07:56 <johnx> chibi-taiga, so yeah, since hen uses its own kernel and doesn't include the driver to make your radio work, you probably need to switch back to the default kernel or reflash. that's the kind of thing that happens when you use extras-devel. if you follow this thread, starting with the guy having trouble with the radio, you might be able to figure it out, but you're pretty much on your own I think (this thread: http://talk.maemo.org/printth
Nov 10 10:07:56 <johnx> read.php?t=39753&pp=10&page=233 )
Nov 10 10:08:57 <timeless_webchat> ... this is what you get if you make it too easy for users to change their foundation
Nov 10 10:09:11 <timeless_webchat> w/o ensuring they understand what's involved in doing so
Nov 10 10:09:33 <tybollt> what's the deal w/ the radio app?
Nov 10 10:09:36 <johnx> timeless_webchat, and if you make it too hard, everyone has to live with a crappy network selector :>
Nov 10 10:09:45 <johnx> tybollt, hardcoded path to module
Nov 10 10:09:51 <timeless_webchat> tybollt: if you install a third party kernel
Nov 10 10:09:55 <timeless_webchat> things don't work perfectly
Nov 10 10:10:05 <timeless_webchat> and people complain that random other things are broken
Nov 10 10:10:16 <johnx> then, a kernel version mismatch with the radio_ module it looks like
Nov 10 10:10:49 <timeless_webchat> johnx: to be fair, someone could provide a third party gui for my problem
Nov 10 10:11:06 <timeless_webchat> as someone noted it should be possible to listen to notifications
Nov 10 10:11:12 <timeless_webchat> it wouldn't require screwing w/ kernels
Nov 10 10:11:14 <johnx> timeless_webchat, and that would work just about as well as all low-level 3rd party hacks to OSX :P
Nov 10 10:11:24 <timeless_webchat> johnx: um
Nov 10 10:11:34 <timeless_webchat> i'm using ZFS, which panic'd 5 times yesterday and once the day before
Nov 10 10:11:59 <timeless_webchat> i don't really blame apple for that
Nov 10 10:12:11 <timeless_webchat> except to the extent that i think the hard disk drive i was using the first time failed
Nov 10 10:12:17 <timeless_webchat> and i suspect this replacement is failing
Nov 10 10:14:27 <RobbieThe1st> timeless_webchat: On your imac?
Nov 10 10:14:34 <timeless_webchat> mbp
Nov 10 10:14:38 * timeless_webchat doesn't have an imac
Nov 10 10:14:41 <timeless_webchat> only a g5 and an mbp
Nov 10 10:14:44 <mece> hey anyone here using Nokia Qt SDK?
Nov 10 10:15:30 <timeless_webchat> i'm using webchat because my irc clients are flaky memory hogs
Nov 10 10:15:36 <RobbieThe1st> Does that have a normal sata laptop drive or an odd one? I know in my mom's imac, I just stuck a (bigger) WD sata drive in it and doubled the space.
Nov 10 10:16:01 <timeless_webchat> and they log data to disk, which is dangerous when your disk is causing panics
Nov 10 10:16:31 <timeless_webchat> fairly normal
Nov 10 10:16:42 <MohammadAG51> mece, a lot of us probably
Nov 10 10:16:44 <MohammadAG51> at least i do
Nov 10 10:16:51 <timeless_webchat> i replaced the original w/ a larger one when the original failed
Nov 10 10:19:00 <mece> MohammadAG51, I'm kinda struggling on getting the latest qt in there.
Nov 10 10:21:20 <MohammadAG51> mece, it keeps saying update available for me, even when i update
Nov 10 10:21:47 <mece> MohammadAG51, hmm mine never finds any updates. want qt 4.7.1 and qt mobility 1.1
Nov 10 10:22:11 <mece> I think I have to compile them manually though.
Nov 10 10:22:48 <mece> problem is I don't know how to do anything on this pos old windows xp machine
Nov 10 10:23:43 <asj_> mece: mobility 1.1.0 came out last night, a little patience?
Nov 10 10:24:28 <jarkkom> is there n900 package too? betas were only for Symbian
Nov 10 10:24:33 <mece> asj_, well I would have settled with beta, but couldn't get that fixed either. I need it for work
Nov 10 10:24:38 <chibi-taiga> sorry got dced
Nov 10 10:24:42 <chibi-taiga> anyways
Nov 10 10:24:45 <mece> jarkkom, I don't think it's there yet.
Nov 10 10:24:54 <chibi-taiga> i need to uninstall hen rite?
Nov 10 10:25:11 <johnx> >_<
Nov 10 10:25:25 <johnx> chibi-taiga, take a look at the log, please
Nov 10 10:29:14 <achipa> X-Fade: bonus question - can we add sources to stuff in non-free (yes, weird question, I know)
Nov 10 10:30:07 <MohammadAG51> achipa, can't be compiled in autobuilder? :P
Nov 10 10:30:17 <X-Fade> achipa: What are you doing in non-free? I feel a recipe for disaster coming up?
Nov 10 10:30:43 * timeless_webchat chuckles
Nov 10 10:30:50 * timeless_webchat remembers mozilla and non-free
Nov 10 10:31:04 <RobbieThe1st> What happened?
Nov 10 10:31:16 <MohammadAG51> on that note, is fennec FOSS?
Nov 10 10:31:24 <achipa> X-Fade: heh - I fully agree, I just don't know where to put the sources until upstream fixes stuff so it could actually pass through the autobuilder
Nov 10 10:31:28 <timeless_webchat> RobbieThe1st: not sure actually
Nov 10 10:31:31 <achipa> (I put my money on never)
Nov 10 10:31:38 <timeless_webchat> basically mozilla wanted to do their own builds using their own build infra
Nov 10 10:31:44 <timeless_webchat> and post binaries + sources
Nov 10 10:31:49 <X-Fade> achipa: Remember you can't mix free and non-free, it is either or. So never change back then.
Nov 10 10:31:53 <timeless_webchat> the way free/ is managed, that isn't allowed
Nov 10 10:32:18 <RobbieThe1st> Ah... Then I think that happened was they just have their own repo, and we users use that.
Nov 10 10:32:18 <timeless_webchat> people objected to "non-free"
Nov 10 10:32:43 <timeless_webchat> yeah, i think in the end it was mostly settled by just having another repo
Nov 10 10:32:46 <achipa> X-Fade: apparently there is some envvar munching going on that is 'difficult to do' in autobuilder (sounds weird, but I'll give the benefit of a doubt)
Nov 10 10:32:47 <MohammadAG51> or post to free without cleaning binaries, but that's bad :P
Nov 10 10:32:50 <timeless_webchat> yay repo+++++++
Nov 10 10:33:10 <X-Fade> achipa: That sounds like a weak excuse.
Nov 10 10:33:16 <X-Fade> achipa: Where is the build log?
Nov 10 10:33:17 <MohammadAG51> achipa, make: nothing to do, good enough of a hint? :P
Nov 10 10:33:28 <achipa> the binary part of the stuff is already in non-free, for several months now :S
Nov 10 10:33:29 <MohammadAG51> for even
Nov 10 10:34:03 <X-Fade> achipa: Well you can always submit sources to non-free. Just dput sources.
Nov 10 10:35:17 <RobbieThe1st> Hm, wouldn't it be possible to just upload your binary files as source files? If you can upload python files(which require no compiling)...
Nov 10 10:35:18 <timeless_webchat> oh
Nov 10 10:35:25 <mece> X-Fade, wow, I never thought of that. pretty cool.
Nov 10 10:35:29 <timeless_webchat> fennec is as free as minefield fwiw
Nov 10 10:35:37 <timeless_webchat> branded fennec is as free as branded firefox
Nov 10 10:35:45 <timeless_webchat> (branded fennec = Firefox for Mobile)
Nov 10 10:37:54 <X-Fade> mece: But if the app really isn't non-free then something needs to be fixed, otherwise we would need to remove it from non-free.
Nov 10 10:45:21 <chibi-taiga> johnx what am i suppose to find in it?
Nov 10 10:45:23 <mece> X-Fade, righty.
Nov 10 10:45:32 <johnx> chibi-taiga, people with the same problem as you
Nov 10 10:46:07 <johnx> (other people using a custom kernel who lost radio support)
Nov 10 10:46:23 <johnx> but the quickest way to fix it is probably to reflash and don't install hen
Nov 10 10:46:33 <johnx> anyways, off to bed for tonight. good luck
Nov 10 10:46:53 <RobbieThe1st> Um...
Nov 10 10:47:25 <RobbieThe1st> All you have to do is do "apt-get install --reinstall kernel-power kernel-power-flasher"...
Nov 10 10:47:40 <RobbieThe1st> (for power kernel; not sure what's needed for the regular one)
Nov 10 10:48:19 <RST38h> moo all
Nov 10 10:48:32 <RST38h> heya johnx, what brings you here in such a late hour?
Nov 10 10:49:02 <johnx> RST38h, just about to sleep. was working on meego/obs stuff for fun :)
Nov 10 10:49:59 <DocScrutinizer> hell, what? what got h-e-n to do with radio support?
Nov 10 10:50:40 <RST38h> Doc: You are now responsible for the radio support.
Nov 10 10:50:56 <RST38h> Doc: And for every N900 lemmings will brick while running h-e-n.
Nov 10 10:51:24 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: thought as much :-/
Nov 10 10:51:42 <johnx> DocScrutinizer, radio support involves installing a kernel module ...
Nov 10 10:52:21 <RST38h> Doc: Ask Mohammad and javispedro for details, they know all about it =)
Nov 10 10:54:16 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder if h-e-n kernel could rdepend on PR1.3 stock, and we'd of course use the stock modules then
Nov 10 10:55:06 <achipa> X-Fade: net dropped... did we haave any conclusion ? apart from 'dont do it' ? :)
Nov 10 10:55:06 <RST38h> Right now you have to have your own kernel?
Nov 10 10:55:13 <DocScrutinizer> there's basically no need for h-e-n kernel specific modules
Nov 10 10:55:39 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: yep, as usb is monolitic, not a module
Nov 10 10:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> :-(
Nov 10 10:56:12 <RST38h> Doc: I would suggest a bit different solution
Nov 10 10:56:24 <X-Fade> achipa: You can always upload sources to non-free. just dput including source, or source only.
Nov 10 10:56:56 <X-Fade> achipa: But if this is for pyqt, I would warn against doing that. As that will create a big mess.
Nov 10 10:57:04 <RST38h> Doc: Create a combined kernel that includes your usb stuff, overclock stuff (compiled in but turned off by default of course) and a few other useful fixes (android patches maybe?)
Nov 10 10:57:09 <achipa> X-Fade: libmeegotouch
Nov 10 10:57:21 <RST38h> Doc: Then cooperate with Mohammad to host it as part of his community SSU
Nov 10 10:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: that's what MohammadAG51 created yesterday aiui
Nov 10 10:57:32 <X-Fade> achipa: just let them dput including source next time.
Nov 10 10:57:39 <RST38h> Doc: Of course, whatever patches you include there, they must be dormant by default
Nov 10 10:57:45 <achipa> ok
Nov 10 10:57:56 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: they are
Nov 10 10:58:29 <RST38h> Doc: This feels like an even better solution, because every lemming installing it will be warned of a dangerous-non-maemo-org-repo-experimental-deadly-stuff-stay-away-you-dumbo
Nov 10 10:58:34 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: moh created a power-kernel with hostmode yesterday (or 2 days ago?)
Nov 10 10:58:35 <achipa> X-Fade: "Sources are not available from apt-get because dput does not support DEB_BUILD_OPTIONS export."
Nov 10 10:58:48 <achipa> X-Fade: does this make sense or do I need coffee ?
Nov 10 10:58:50 <RST38h> Doc: There should really be a *single* custom kernel with all this stuff
Nov 10 10:58:58 <DocScrutinizer> ack
Nov 10 10:59:07 <RST38h> Doc: Otherwise, you have got a circus, as they are all mutually exclusive
Nov 10 10:59:18 <DocScrutinizer> unmanageable
Nov 10 10:59:20 <RST38h> Can only have one kernel installed and booted at a time
Nov 10 10:59:26 <X-Fade> achipa: *couch*bullshit*cough*
Nov 10 10:59:53 <achipa> X-Fade: cough*thought so*cough
Nov 10 11:00:02 <DocScrutinizer> we need ONE community kernel, which should be power-kernlel+
Nov 10 11:00:04 <X-Fade> achipa: Ask MohammadAG51 he uploads to the community repository including source too.
Nov 10 11:02:26 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: t-tan's v41 powerkernel has all the USB hostmode stuff, but commented for now afaik
Nov 10 11:03:25 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen t-tan
Nov 10 11:03:35 <infobot> t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 151d 15h 16m 46s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'.
Nov 10 11:04:25 <MohammadAG51> DocScrutinizer, adding hostmode is easy as piss, tell t-tan to reverse pr1.3's musb_core.c
Nov 10 11:04:34 <MohammadAG51> he only needs my patch in debian/patches
Nov 10 11:04:45 <MohammadAG51> sometimes i wish my laptop had WWoL :/
Nov 10 11:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=868504#post868504
Nov 10 11:06:32 * MohammadAG51 needs a netbook for school
Nov 10 11:07:03 <MohammadAG51> today was a complete waste of time, so I decided to skip the rest of the day
Nov 10 11:07:29 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG, go to starbucks, rob some chick off her netbook, run, profit.
Nov 10 11:07:54 <MohammadAG51> crashanddie_, starbucks went bankrupt here in IL ages ago
Nov 10 11:08:01 <MohammadAG51> probably 7 years ago
Nov 10 11:08:11 <crashanddie_> see, too many robberies
Nov 10 11:08:18 <crashanddie_> poor starbucks
Nov 10 11:08:23 <MohammadAG51> heh, kosher/not kosher shit
Nov 10 11:08:30 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG, that's because of people like you
Nov 10 11:08:32 <SwedeMike> when doing IPv6 only APN and NAT64 on the N900, it seems to keep asking for A DNS records even though it doesn't have any Ipv4 connectivity, and when it then can't access the A record (no route to host) it doesn't fall back to IPv6. Is there a knob I haven't turned?
Nov 10 11:08:37 <MohammadAG51> with all respect, i just call a lot of shit shit
Nov 10 11:08:40 <MohammadAG51> see?
Nov 10 11:08:41 <crashanddie_> I mean, stealing netbooks off the poor chick that just sits sipping her coffee
Nov 10 11:08:50 <crashanddie_> how dare you?
Nov 10 11:09:04 <MohammadAG51> crashanddie_, were netbooks even popular around that time?
Nov 10 11:09:18 <crashanddie_> doesn't matter, you were still considering it now
Nov 10 11:09:20 <crashanddie_> you bastard
Nov 10 11:09:30 <MohammadAG51> sue me
Nov 10 11:09:30 <crashanddie_> truth be told, MohammadAG, based on what you eat, I guess your shit could be kosher
Nov 10 11:09:46 <MohammadAG51> LOL
Nov 10 11:10:24 <MohammadAG51> someone get me a fruppacino
Nov 10 11:10:30 <MohammadAG51> or however it's spelt :P
Nov 10 11:10:37 <crashanddie_> fappucino. For those lonely times.
Nov 10 11:10:57 * MohammadAG51 has fapman for that
Nov 10 11:11:01 <crashanddie_> If you leave it to cool for 12 minutes, it can be used as a fleshlight
Nov 10 11:11:53 <MohammadAG51> leave what cool lol
Nov 10 11:12:01 <crashanddie_> the fappucino
Nov 10 11:15:04 <MohammadAG51> eww :P
Nov 10 11:16:52 <alterego> Jezus, what are you two talking about :P
Nov 10 11:17:02 <andax> make -d install fappucino # whatever it is, it sounds like coffee break :)
Nov 10 11:17:44 <crashanddie_> it's a break alright
Nov 10 11:18:27 <nidO> im amazed, actually had a direct response from nokia regarding shortcomings in the new ovi suite
Nov 10 11:18:41 <MohammadAG51> "It's shit, kthxbye"
Nov 10 11:18:42 <MohammadAG51> ?
Nov 10 11:19:10 <nidO> asking for a bit more info on the problem, they might actually be vaguely thinking about looking into it
Nov 10 11:19:32 <crashanddie_> "Lol, u bot fro nokia, nao njoy crap service's"
Nov 10 11:20:09 <MohammadAG51> nidO, it's a stunt :P
Nov 10 11:20:37 <ohwhyme2> Do i need to flash the kernel if I install power42? I cant seem to boot into it with multiboot. I have nitdroid and neopwn installed.
Nov 10 11:20:50 <nidO> quite possibly, we'll see if anything actually comes of it, im just quite amazed that i actually got a reply from the bug feedback form
Nov 10 11:21:57 <RST38h> A fappuchino? What fappuchino?
Nov 10 11:36:17 <DocScrutinizer> nidO: random text template answer
Nov 10 11:37:33 * timeless_xchat sighs
Nov 10 11:37:39 <lcuk> nidO, :) sending a correctly formed question to places should get you a correctly formed answer.  i expect that is the same no matter which contact mechanism you use
Nov 10 11:37:41 <timeless_xchat> where's macsbug when i need it?
Nov 10 11:38:00 <lcuk> if you submit crap, you cannot expect anything other than crap back
Nov 10 11:38:51 <nidO> lcuk: except, generally, when submitting bug report forms for not-openly-developed software, the submission is generally the last you ever hear of it, especially when it comes to reminding nokia that the n900 exists
Nov 10 11:38:56 <alterego> Playe dwith a Nokia N8 last night
Nov 10 11:39:03 <alterego> Well, I say played with, I had to fix it for someone.
Nov 10 11:39:05 <phellarv> alterego: Was it any good?
Nov 10 11:39:08 <alterego> Quite sleek.
Nov 10 11:39:13 <ohwhyme2> if i flashed my n900 to use the neopwn kernel does that mean if i flash the power42 kernel, i cant use neopwn?
Nov 10 11:39:16 <timeless_xchat> alterego: time to fix?
Nov 10 11:39:19 <tobis87> MohammadAG51: I have made a patch of the hw accel. drivers for the community kernel: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CQFPJwRz
Nov 10 11:39:23 <phellarv> alterego: Did it have xterm?
Nov 10 11:39:29 <alterego> Bit annoying, that when you stick it on a table it doesn't sit flat.
Nov 10 11:39:31 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: are there maps to find the way to your universe? I usually get crap answers to correct questions
Nov 10 11:39:33 <tobis87> Please make sure they are only compiled as modules.
Nov 10 11:40:09 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, which definition of correct are you using? :)
Nov 10 11:40:23 <DocScrutinizer> a correct one :-P
Nov 10 11:40:25 <phellarv> lcuk: The most correct one?
Nov 10 11:40:28 <phellarv> \o/
Nov 10 11:42:20 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: http://xckd.com/806/
Nov 10 11:42:46 <tobis87> MohammadAG51: I have made a patch of the hw accel. drivers for the community kernel: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=CQFPJwRz
Nov 10 11:43:11 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, obviously you mistyped shibboleet
Nov 10 11:48:27 <DocScrutinizer> comment on #44 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9314#c44 by Joerg Reisenweber: "shibboleet"
Nov 10 11:48:28 <povbot`> Bug 9314: Relicense BME
Nov 10 11:48:56 <DocScrutinizer> I so tempted
Nov 10 11:57:16 <timeless_xchat> docscrutinizer/lcuk: do you guys get the historical reference?
Nov 10 11:57:47 <timeless_xchat> or is xkcd as far as you go?
Nov 10 12:00:05 <lcuk> i didn't know until i just googled it
Nov 10 12:00:36 <crashanddie_> lol
Nov 10 12:00:47 <lcuk> thats really interesting, a word pronouncable by locals but other people couldnt say :)
Nov 10 12:00:49 <crashanddie_> windows 7 phones don't support static IP addresses, only DHCP
Nov 10 12:04:57 <auenf> err, serious?
Nov 10 12:05:47 <SpeedEvil> Broken.
Nov 10 12:13:22 <user> johnx youre still here?
Nov 10 12:18:58 <Termana> crashanddie_, auenf, SpeedEvil - they also don't properly support microSD/microSDHC/microSD-whatever
Nov 10 12:19:07 <Termana> But do you really need someone to assure you that WP7 is crap?
Nov 10 12:19:08 <Termana> :p
Nov 10 12:19:39 <auenf> so it IS an improvement on wm6.5 then
Nov 10 12:19:59 <jarkkom> wp7 seems pretty rushed, it works just fine but lots of features you'd expect from phone are simply not there
Nov 10 12:20:05 <Termana> auenf, how so?
Nov 10 12:20:07 <jarkkom> API is really limited as well
Nov 10 12:20:09 <auenf> (version number increase == improvement)
Nov 10 12:20:14 <Termana> ha
Nov 10 12:20:28 <Termana> Also, wtf kind of marketing manager do Microsoft have
Nov 10 12:20:35 <Termana> Windows Phone 7? Seriously?
Nov 10 12:20:44 <nidO> missing obvious features doesnt exactly mean a device will fail
Nov 10 12:20:46 <Termana> What kind of f-ed up name is that!?
Nov 10 12:20:49 <crashanddie_> I loved the TV-ads
Nov 10 12:20:51 <nidO> iOS couldnt be a more obvious example
Nov 10 12:21:03 <crashanddie_> Translation: "Get a life, get a phone you don't care about. Windows 7"
Nov 10 12:21:07 <jarkkom> it's huge improvement over wm6.5 anyway
Nov 10 12:21:11 * timeless_xchat spoke w/ a guy from ms last week
Nov 10 12:21:14 <timeless_xchat> he explained the c+p omission
Nov 10 12:21:28 <timeless_xchat> the explanation is actually reasonable
Nov 10 12:21:59 <crashanddie_> What, they forgot the ctrl key?
Nov 10 12:21:59 <timeless_xchat> basically most times people don't c+p to notepad
Nov 10 12:21:59 <Termana> timeless_xchat, humour me
Nov 10 12:22:08 <jarkkom> it's not feature you'll need _that_ often anyway
Nov 10 12:22:13 <timeless_xchat> they c+p to load a url in a browser
Nov 10 12:22:14 <nidO> well the automated interlinking it has instead is pretty decent and in most cases a lot less clunky than c+p, from the brief tryout iv had with it
Nov 10 12:22:17 <timeless_xchat> or to load an address in maps
Nov 10 12:22:19 <timeless_xchat> or...
Nov 10 12:22:32 <crashanddie_> yes, and?
Nov 10 12:22:33 <timeless_xchat> the idea then is to save people from doing c+p
Nov 10 12:22:38 <auenf> err, iphone os 3 added c+p
Nov 10 12:22:41 <crashanddie_> why?
Nov 10 12:22:43 <timeless_xchat> by providing what they actually want
Nov 10 12:22:52 <auenf> so that means users DO want c+P right?
Nov 10 12:22:53 <timeless_xchat> load url
Nov 10 12:22:54 <timeless_xchat> open maps
Nov 10 12:22:58 <nidO> crashanddie_: the point is that for most people c+p is a means to an end
Nov 10 12:23:10 <timeless_xchat> no
Nov 10 12:23:11 <crashanddie_> timeless, so instead of allowing people to forcibly do an action, they're going to rely on recognition to find addresses, phones numbers, etc?
Nov 10 12:23:13 <nidO> wp7 just provides the end (that most people want) directly, and removes the c+p part
Nov 10 12:23:14 * timeless_xchat goes to drop off lunch tray
Nov 10 12:23:18 <Termana> timeless_xchat, that explanation also conveniently overlooks the restriction placed on it
Nov 10 12:23:26 <Termana> Just sayin.
Nov 10 12:23:28 <timeless_xchat> termana: so...
Nov 10 12:23:29 <Termana> They could have both
Nov 10 12:23:36 <timeless_xchat> they had research numbers
Nov 10 12:23:40 <crashanddie_> so, whenever an address isn't properly formatted, as soon as the detection fails, people get buttfucked
Nov 10 12:23:40 <nidO> they could, and theyve already said they will
Nov 10 12:23:48 <timeless_xchat> ms doesn't need to do small samples
Nov 10 12:23:55 <timeless_xchat> they have *large* samples
Nov 10 12:23:59 <SuRfDeMoN> Why does the latest Maemo update require the PC suite ? :(
Nov 10 12:23:59 <timeless_xchat> just like google
Nov 10 12:24:11 <crashanddie_> SuRfDeMoN, it doesn't
Nov 10 12:24:15 <timeless_xchat> surfdemon: because you broke your system
Nov 10 12:24:28 <nidO> SuRfDeMoN: because you either have not enoufh rootfs, or an incompatible package installed, most likely libgles1 from at least 1 game you have installed
Nov 10 12:24:32 <crashanddie_> ~tell SuRfDeMoN about pr1.3
Nov 10 12:24:36 <crashanddie_> ~tell SuRfDeMoN about flashing
Nov 10 12:25:14 <jarkkom> has there been any news if Maemo5 is getting qtmobility 1.1?
Nov 10 12:25:22 <SuRfDeMoN> ah
Nov 10 12:26:13 <SuRfDeMoN> cool, it just kept telling me to use pc suite... seemed stupid a linux based device requires software that only runs on windows to update
Nov 10 12:26:24 <SuRfDeMoN> thanks for the info I will take a look at it :)
Nov 10 12:27:23 <dazo> Anyone know how I set the default calendar in the calendar app?  I got 3 calendars active, and it always chooses the one I'm least interested in adding events into ...
Nov 10 12:31:01 <chibi-taiga> i cant get my radio fixed T.T
Nov 10 12:33:43 <andax> chibi-taiga: is bluetooth on?
Nov 10 12:34:41 <chibi-taiga> yes its automatic
Nov 10 12:35:51 <chibi-taiga> Error: Cannot Load FM driver
Nov 10 12:35:56 <chibi-taiga> is what i gert
Nov 10 12:35:59 <chibi-taiga> get
Nov 10 12:39:47 <andax> hmm, radio needs phone cable as antenna, maybe it wants that cable prior to loading the fm driver
Nov 10 12:41:35 <andax> chibi-taiga: have you installed stable version of radio?
Nov 10 12:41:53 <andax> maybe you need to reinstall
Nov 10 12:44:23 <DocScrutinizer> andax: read backscroll, we discussed it ~2h ago. The radio driver isn't compatible with your kernel, I'd guess
Nov 10 12:47:39 <RST38h> <back?
Nov 10 12:48:15 <sivang> hey RST38h
Nov 10 12:48:29 <RST38h> yes?
Nov 10 12:48:41 <andax> DocScrutinizer: ah, i see, then chibli-taiga needs to look for the appropriate kernel
Nov 10 12:48:51 <sivang> RST38h: I was just hi'ing
Nov 10 12:48:53 * RST38h feels sorry for AllAboutSymbian guys
Nov 10 12:48:54 <andax> chibli-taiga ^
Nov 10 12:49:01 <sivang> RST38h: all about symbian?
Nov 10 12:49:06 <sivang> RST38h: re arstechnica article?
Nov 10 12:49:33 <RST38h> How do they manage to produce such cheerful, positive articles, with the straight face?
Nov 10 12:49:42 * sivang googles
Nov 10 12:49:49 <andax> ohwhyme, he is gone
Nov 10 12:49:57 <saahleh> apt-get remove modest removed 8 packages. apt-get install modest installed only 1 (modest). is this right?
Nov 10 12:50:17 <sivang> saahleh: hmm
Nov 10 12:51:09 <saahleh> (got every 10 sec an error: 'internal error, application 'e-mail' closed)
Nov 10 12:51:47 <RST38h> saahleh: Well, you are not saying which packages have been removed...
Nov 10 12:52:02 <sivang> saahleh: tos package were dependeing on it, do apt-cache rdepends on modest
Nov 10 12:52:06 <sivang> saahleh: see what you miss
Nov 10 12:52:11 <sivang> saahleh: reinstall, possibly
Nov 10 12:52:22 <sivang> my 2c
Nov 10 12:54:53 <andax> [X] turned off xchat nick auto completion
Nov 10 13:01:35 <Termana> Some applications on the iPhone/iPod Touch have horribly insecure in-app for purchase access. For example one application lists links the the content in a text file in it's folder that can be used to download the content for free and then all you need to do is rename it and copy it into a particular folder on the device
Nov 10 13:01:38 <Termana> Incredible :p
Nov 10 13:02:05 <javispedro> Termana: you know, 90% of iPhone users don't have access to its full filesystem
Nov 10 13:02:26 <Termana> javispedro, that's true (well, I don'
Nov 10 13:02:31 <Termana> stupid enter key
Nov 10 13:02:32 <javispedro> and for those who have, virtually no DRM will stop them.
Nov 10 13:02:47 <Termana> javispedro, that's true (well, I don't know about the particular statistic of 90% but anyway)
Nov 10 13:02:54 <javispedro> completely made up
Nov 10 13:03:08 <javispedro> but I'd guess a similar number.
Nov 10 13:03:37 <Termana> javispedro, anyhow I would still consider better protective measures against my content rather than just slap downloadable links in a text file.
Nov 10 13:03:55 <Termana> (If I was this particular company)
Nov 10 13:04:09 <Termana> (And endorsed such measures)
Nov 10 13:04:25 <javispedro> possibly embed strings in binary to stop a 1% of users
Nov 10 13:04:41 <saahleh> back again. reinstalling the deps. Will see.
Nov 10 13:04:50 <javispedro> btw, morning.
Nov 10 13:04:57 <Termana> good morning :p
Nov 10 13:06:08 <jarkkom> most of the time you cannot stop determined piracy anyway, so you just do minimum effort to deter casual pirates
Nov 10 13:08:05 <marmoute_> until determined pirate provide casual one a way to do it casualy
Nov 10 13:08:47 <javispedro> then you make it slightly more difficult
Nov 10 13:09:32 <javispedro> rinse and repeat.
Nov 10 13:09:39 <marmoute_> and more you fight with pirate more it's pain for legal user.
Nov 10 13:09:47 <Termana> The thing is, I thought they would at least make a check to make sure you purchased the content before downloading it from their servers. No such thing. In fact it will even update the content for you if they have been updated
Nov 10 13:10:04 <Termana> s/they/the content
Nov 10 13:10:20 <javispedro> Termana: possibly breaks their CDN
Nov 10 13:10:30 <javispedro> or makes it more expensive
Nov 10 13:10:39 <javispedro> so they thought "not worth it".
Nov 10 13:10:46 <saahleh> mutt isn't available, is it?
Nov 10 13:11:09 <marmoute_> saahleh: mutt have trouble with the N900 term setting.
Nov 10 13:11:25 <marmoute_> They is a work around but I don't remember which
Nov 10 13:11:45 <saahleh> i've got 'fork failed' errors.
Nov 10 13:12:01 <saahleh> whats that?
Nov 10 13:12:09 * javispedro loves "I'm porting Blackberry Messenger to the N900 but I have no coding experience"
Nov 10 13:13:46 <Turski> :)
Nov 10 13:16:25 <Robot101> javispedro: is that with a telepathy backend, or a paintbrush mockup? :)
Nov 10 13:16:31 <RST38h> javispedro: so, what is his progress?
Nov 10 13:16:59 <javispedro> none whatsoever, by the 7th page he already stopped because of "unforeseen legal issues" (??)
Nov 10 13:17:08 <saahleh> begin to think reflashing is the best option... :(
Nov 10 13:17:18 <RST38h> javispedro: omg
Nov 10 13:23:46 <javispedro> *6th page
Nov 10 13:24:27 <psycho_oreos> how does one go about installing python2.5-qt4-common (= 4.7.4-maemo0) when one has 4.7.5-maemo1 installed? seems like it needs an older copy
Nov 10 13:25:57 <psycho_oreos> nevermind, it seems to be in extras-devel
Nov 10 13:28:02 <MohammadAG51> javispedro, BB messenger has no API, you need to reverse engineer the crap
Nov 10 13:28:34 <javispedro> in fact, "port" seems to underrate the amount of work to be done with a 2000%.
Nov 10 13:28:40 <javispedro> s/with/by
Nov 10 13:29:18 <nidO> MohammadAG51: that was rather what he was told in the thread, he assumed he could just port whatsapp or similar and several other people in the thread joined him, without any real realisation that they arent actually BBM atall, which is unportable.
Nov 10 13:29:45 <MohammadAG51> nidO, there is, for BB devices :P
Nov 10 13:30:07 <SpeedEvil> BBM>
Nov 10 13:30:08 <nidO> eh?
Nov 10 13:30:23 <SpeedEvil> BBM?
Nov 10 13:30:24 <jonwil> Good luck porting BBM to anything that isnt BlackBerry
Nov 10 13:30:46 <MohammadAG51> you don't need luck, it won't happen
Nov 10 13:31:24 <jonwil> Can anyone tell me if the current firmware for the N900 has any binary kernel modules?
Nov 10 13:31:37 <jonwil> Also, how does the graphics stack work?
Nov 10 13:32:32 <MohammadAG51> jonwil, kernel is fully open
Nov 10 13:32:41 <jonwil> thats what I thought to be the case
Nov 10 13:32:57 <jonwil> thats good news since (unlike Android) we are not tied to kernels from Nokia
Nov 10 13:33:07 <jonwil> and can run newer kernels if we want :)
Nov 10 13:33:10 <javispedro> well.
Nov 10 13:33:24 <javispedro> open is half of what's needed.
Nov 10 13:33:31 <jonwil> yeah someone needs to port it :)
Nov 10 13:33:41 <jonwil> I am very close to pulling the plunge on a N900 as soon as I have enough money to buy one
Nov 10 13:33:42 <javispedro> which has fortunately happened...
Nov 10 13:33:58 <jonwil> since it seems like the most open phone you can buy that's actually usable in the real world
Nov 10 13:34:09 <jonwil> plus it has physical QWERTY which I really like :)
Nov 10 13:34:58 <javispedro> the 3d stack is entirely closed. since you asked...
Nov 10 13:35:05 <krayon> jonwil: I can tell you I find it more usable and useful than my OpenMoko Freerunner :/
Nov 10 13:35:35 <jonwil> is N900 using X?
Nov 10 13:35:37 <SpeedEvil> krayon: have you tried latest SHRs though?
Nov 10 13:35:39 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: yes
Nov 10 13:35:48 <nidO> sigh, cheating search engines is much more complex than it used to be :<
Nov 10 13:36:47 <jonwil> 3D stack being closed was what I thought to be the case
Nov 10 13:37:16 <jonwil> since there is no-one producing GPUs for ARM that are open
Nov 10 13:38:02 <krayon> SpeedEvil: Last one I used was from September
Nov 10 13:38:10 <jonwil> All the info I am getting is very much making me decide on N900 rather than HTC Desire Z
Nov 10 13:38:38 <SpeedEvil> One thing that may influence some is the almost total lack of commercial apps on the n900.
Nov 10 13:38:50 <jonwil> I dont care about the lack of commercial apps
Nov 10 13:38:58 <jonwil> since I dont plan on spending money on apps
Nov 10 13:38:58 <SpeedEvil> OTOH - you can setup the right repos - and apt-get install build-essentials
Nov 10 13:39:19 <SpeedEvil> (you probably actually don't want to do that as it fills up / - but still)
Nov 10 13:39:21 <nidO> lack of commercial apps does also apply to a lack of commercial *free* apps
Nov 10 13:39:36 <SpeedEvil> yeah.
Nov 10 13:39:44 <jonwil> does N900 support memory card expansion?
Nov 10 13:40:27 <psycho_oreos> via microSD cards, yes
Nov 10 13:40:31 <alterego> It has a micro sd card
Nov 10 13:40:40 <saahleh> -reader :)
Nov 10 13:40:42 <alterego> And a 32G internal MMC so ..
Nov 10 13:40:55 <jonwil> 32G is nice, much better than my Motorola Z6
Nov 10 13:42:11 <jonwil> I do not think I will buy HTC Desire Z, not when the only way to load a custom kernel is to use a bug in userland to gain root access, then load a custom kernel module to unlock the flash memory then flash a custom bootloader and then only after that can you flash a new kernel
Nov 10 13:42:32 <MohammadAG51> X-Fade, repos down?
Nov 10 13:42:33 <jonwil> N900 can replace the kernel without any special hacks or work
Nov 10 13:42:48 <MohammadAG51> a friend's getting hash sum mismatch
Nov 10 13:43:38 <jonwil> The fact that I dont have to learn all sorts of fancy new stuff to program N900 (i.e. Java on Android or .NET on Windows Phone) is another plus :)
Nov 10 13:43:53 <saahleh> It's only because of linux i've got the N900.
Nov 10 13:44:10 <saahleh> Only wished i could run gentoo on it :)
Nov 10 13:44:11 <jonwil> What host environment do you need on the desktop to write apps for the N900?
Nov 10 13:44:24 <jonwil> yeah, Gentoo on a phone would be the ultimate in open :P
Nov 10 13:44:25 <krayon> jonwil: Yeah it's pretty sweet to be able to just move your linux apps straight over
Nov 10 13:44:41 <krayon> jonwil: And OMG it's awesome to say "oh, I'll solve this with a bash script" :P
Nov 10 13:44:59 <jonwil> Although you wouldnt want to try an emerge world over a cellular data link :P
Nov 10 13:45:14 <MohammadAG51> then realize bash is missing
Nov 10 13:45:17 <alterego> jonwil: you can develop on all the major platforms.
Nov 10 13:45:26 <alterego> It's obviously nicer (imo) to do it on Linux though
Nov 10 13:45:28 <javispedro> jonwil: saahleh: you can run whatever you want; of course do not later complain if the phone does not work under Gentoo.
Nov 10 13:45:37 <jonwil> heh :P
Nov 10 13:46:11 <jonwil> Can I do all development for N900 (new kernel etc) on Windows XP or would I need to get my Gentoo box working again?
Nov 10 13:46:17 <saahleh> skype and sip works under gentoo :)
Nov 10 13:47:05 <javispedro> jonwil: you can do as you wish but doing that might be potentially a much daunting task that just setting up a VM
Nov 10 13:47:50 <saahleh> A new gcc-version would be a problem too... 1d4h on my laptop for emerge -e world...
Nov 10 13:48:24 <RST38h> Except that the actual topic of #maemo is...well...Maemo
Nov 10 13:48:37 <javispedro> wrong channel!
Nov 10 13:48:41 <RST38h> yep
Nov 10 13:48:44 <saahleh> :) moving to gentoo
Nov 10 13:51:01 <jonwil> I have quite a few app ideas already for if/when I get my N900
Nov 10 13:52:19 <alterego> Cool, tell me and I'll sell them to you :P
Nov 10 13:53:07 <jonwil> I intend to have a go at playing with the Google Transit Feed data my local transit company makes available
Nov 10 13:53:26 <jonwil> Be nice to have an app on the phone so I dont need to ring the information line all the time for various things
Nov 10 13:54:26 <alterego> Boring :P
Nov 10 13:54:38 <alterego> (I'm only saying that because I have no idea what you're on about)
Nov 10 13:54:56 <jonwil> its about public transport
Nov 10 13:55:00 <jonwil> i.e. buses and trains
Nov 10 13:55:48 <jonwil> Google developed a spec for data such as routes, stops, fares, timetables etc and my local public transport company provides data in this format
Nov 10 13:55:55 <jonwil> which is nice since I take the bus and train everywhere
Nov 10 13:56:00 <jonwil> )
Nov 10 13:56:02 <jonwil> :)
Nov 10 13:56:48 <saahleh> just take a bicycle...
Nov 10 13:56:59 <jonwil> I live too far from the places I go to take the bike
Nov 10 13:57:06 <jonwil> plus I dont own a bike
Nov 10 13:57:38 <jonwil> If I was to buy a bike, I couldn't afford the N900
Nov 10 13:57:39 <jonwil> :P
Nov 10 13:58:01 <mtnman> hello all
Nov 10 13:59:12 <saahleh> But don't think it's offline useable. In my own city i always take my bike. If i'm traveling in my country i don't need it. I know where to look to get the times.
Nov 10 13:59:23 <mtnman> it seems that my n900 has started running an access point and dhcp server... anyone know how this may have started and how to turn it off?
Nov 10 13:59:37 <saahleh> But in a foreign country, i need it, but don't have a cheap internet connection
Nov 10 13:59:54 <saahleh> Ahh, for 25 euro's you can have a bike.
Nov 10 14:00:40 <saahleh> And don't go so far :)
Nov 10 14:01:05 <jonwil> Bikes are expensive here in Australia
Nov 10 14:01:26 <jonwil> plus there is nowhere safe at work to store bikes
Nov 10 14:01:57 <mtnman> used bikes are usually a good value
Nov 10 14:01:59 <saahleh> I'm missing a good sync appl. Just sync my cal, mail todo's etc by usb, bluetooth, wifi with my laptop.
Nov 10 14:02:13 <Necc> you mean ovi suite?
Nov 10 14:02:37 <saahleh> Only way is to set up a egroupware server, and even that don't work (my webserver hasn't enabled pear...)
Nov 10 14:02:43 <krayon> jonwil: In the City (Melbourne, dunno about others) they are rolling out those bike racks with bikes you can use and return elsewhere, hire bikes if you will :P
Nov 10 14:02:50 <saahleh> ovi suite for linux?
Nov 10 14:02:58 <jonwil> Melbourne yes
Nov 10 14:03:00 <jonwil> Perth no
Nov 10 14:03:02 <Necc> sure? :p
Nov 10 14:03:12 * f3ew thinks that public transport in his city has a timetable
Nov 10 14:03:15 * mtnman prefers to ride his own bike, use his own computer, etc.
Nov 10 14:03:16 <jonwil> Perth is too backwards to think of something like that
Nov 10 14:03:32 <Termana> jonwil: Perth is so bad
Nov 10 14:03:42 <Termana> jonwil, Oprah didn't visit there!
Nov 10 14:03:47 <Termana> :p
Nov 10 14:03:56 <jonwil> Big deal, Oprah is just some TV star
Nov 10 14:04:07 <jonwil> I dont even watch that junk
Nov 10 14:04:51 <Termana> Did I need to explicitly use my sarcasm tags?
Nov 10 14:04:55 <mtnman> the fact that oprah did not visit there speaks volumes (in a positive way)
Nov 10 14:05:29 <Termana> Besides, SA is obviously the greatest state. Our current Prime Minister was raised in SA!
Nov 10 14:05:30 <Termana> :p
Nov 10 14:06:27 <lardman> South Australia?
Nov 10 14:06:38 <lardman> ah yes, /me sees what's going on
Nov 10 14:06:53 * lardman also agrees as most of his familiy members live there
Nov 10 14:07:15 <Termana> lardman, yes it's the Australian state that you know, is in the South part of Australia.
Nov 10 14:07:17 <Termana> :p
Nov 10 14:08:04 <Termana> Doesn't have our southest point however
Nov 10 14:08:13 <Termana> But no one cares about Tasmania, so it's cool
Nov 10 14:08:15 <jonwil> What is media playback on N900 like?
Nov 10 14:08:17 <Termana> :p (Kidding)
Nov 10 14:08:27 <jonwil> oh wait, its linux so it should have a FFMPEG port
Nov 10 14:08:34 <jonwil> which means it can play anything known to man :P
Nov 10 14:08:45 <lardman> mplayer
Nov 10 14:09:03 <lardman> search on TMO
Nov 10 14:11:07 <SpeedEvil> jonwil: mplayer is there - but the inbuild media player is OK for me, and can use a lot less battery, as it has hardare accellertionfor some codecs.
Nov 10 14:11:38 <jonwil> can the inbuilt media player do OGG?
Nov 10 14:12:17 <jonwil> OGG audio specifically
Nov 10 14:12:34 <Termana> "Note I am MAC user and as such" - I already know I shouldn't read this post on t.m.o
Nov 10 14:12:53 <lardman> yes, if you add the gstreamer plugin and twiddle the settings so it's recognised
Nov 10 14:12:57 <lardman> it's not accelerated though
Nov 10 14:13:05 <lardman> again, take a look on TMO
Nov 10 14:13:22 <lardman> in fact I think all that stuff is probably packaged up now, so also take a look at the repos
Nov 10 14:14:52 <mtnman> there is an ogg add on, but support is not available out of the box
Nov 10 14:22:19 <mtnman> how can i turn off the dhcp server that is now running on my n900?  i have no idea how it got started.
Nov 10 14:24:24 <marmoute_> /etc/init.d/dhcpd stop
Nov 10 14:25:40 <mtnman> marmoute sure, but how about why is it there in the first place?  there also seems to be a process providing a wireless access point
Nov 10 14:26:44 <nidO> that would indicate you installed mobilehotspot or joikuspot.
Nov 10 14:27:26 <mtnman> nido: not to my knowledge, but i'll check if either one is installed
Nov 10 14:27:40 <nidO> if you've magically managed to get a wifi ap running on the device without either of those two though, the rest of the n900 community would love to know how
Nov 10 14:28:45 <marmoute_> use "dpkg -S" to know from where a file come from
Nov 10 14:28:53 <jonwil> Can you use the data connection of a N900 over USB from a PC?
Nov 10 14:29:15 * mtnman hands nido his spare magic wand and a good bit of "abracadabra"
Nov 10 14:29:18 <marmoute_> % 15:22 marmoute@kraken ~ > dpkg -S /usr/bin/hg-ssh
Nov 10 14:29:18 <marmoute_> mercurial-common: /usr/bin/hg-ssh
Nov 10 14:29:26 <nidO> jonwil: theoretically yes
Nov 10 14:30:01 <jonwil> Just trying to think of all the things I do with my Motorola Z6 and making sure I can still do them on the N900 :)
Nov 10 14:30:10 <nidO> Ovi suite supports both usb and bluetooth for the n900's data connection, personally i've never managed to get usb to work properly though, but plenty of people have
Nov 10 14:33:57 <SpeedEvil> I've used the n900 to stream video to my laptop over 3g whenmy DSL was down yesterday
Nov 10 14:34:37 <lcuk> SpeedEvil, i use my n900 3g to connect to my home computer when my wifi goes offline :P
Nov 10 14:34:49 <nidO> I had to rely on my n900's 3g connection over bluetooth for 2 weeks when i recently moved
Nov 10 14:34:57 <nidO> never wanted to bash my own head in so much in my entire life
Nov 10 14:35:04 <mtnman> ok well dhcp is not running anymore, but i'm offered a wireless connection called K1500-KGABC123 which is being provided by the n900
Nov 10 14:37:29 <mtnman> neither mobile hotspot nor joikuspot shows in the application manager
Nov 10 14:38:20 <SpeedEvil> ar eyou sure?
Nov 10 14:38:27 <SpeedEvil> does it go away if you power off the n900
Nov 10 14:39:41 <mtnman> K1500-KGABC123 shows up on a mac's network config as an available "device" (using a friend's old mac til i repair the p/s on my debian system)
Nov 10 14:40:07 <mtnman> speedevil: if you are talking to me what are you asking if i am sure of?
Nov 10 14:40:54 <nidO> that 1) you have neither of those applications are installed and 2) that the ap is being provided by your n900
Nov 10 14:41:29 <crashanddie_> mtnman, what version of OSX is it running?
Nov 10 14:41:42 <crashanddie_> mtnman, when I plug-in my N900 to my mac, it just offers to connect an N900
Nov 10 14:41:43 <SpeedEvil> mtnman: that you have confirmed that the n900 is providing the hot-spot by turning it off
Nov 10 14:41:56 <mtnman> well i checked the application manager, but haven't checked with dpkg to see if the packages are installed.  they don't show up in application manager.  the ap shows up on a mac's network config as an available "device"
Nov 10 14:42:41 <mtnman> well yes, i have rebooted several times and the hotspot has followed me all day as i travelled across the county (not country!)
Nov 10 14:43:13 <SpeedEvil> Is there a PC you're also traveling with?
Nov 10 14:43:16 <mtnman> OS X 10.5.8
Nov 10 14:43:16 <SpeedEvil> windows can do this
Nov 10 14:43:41 <mtnman> no pc, thankfully, and my debian system has a broken p/s
Nov 10 14:43:56 <SpeedEvil> Also - turning off the n900 checks that it's not the MAC reporting something bogus
Nov 10 14:44:20 <SpeedEvil> Also - acting as an AP will drain the batteries in 4-6 hours, idle.
Nov 10 14:44:26 <crashanddie_> p/s?
Nov 10 14:44:37 <SpeedEvil> so if you're battery has not drained in that time, it's unlikely
Nov 10 14:44:39 <mtnman> power spply
Nov 10 14:44:44 <crashanddie_> your
Nov 10 14:45:12 <mtnman> ok then why does this show up on the network selector for the 900 and the mac?
Nov 10 14:45:27 <SpeedEvil> turn off the n900
Nov 10 14:45:29 <SpeedEvil> what happens
Nov 10 14:45:54 <mtnman> ok speedevil when i rebooted it the same thing was going on.  if you want i can shut it off again.
Nov 10 14:46:43 <mtnman> i turned it off overnight and when i started it in the morning, it was still broadcasting
Nov 10 14:46:49 <nidO> he said turn it off, not reboot it - as in switch it off, and see if the device is still there on your mac with the n900 turned off
Nov 10 14:47:15 <mtnman> it _was_ turned off overnight, but i am shutting down again to please  you
Nov 10 14:47:39 <SpeedEvil> It doesn't please me.
Nov 10 14:47:49 <SpeedEvil> Pleasing me would require chocolate cake.
Nov 10 14:47:55 <jacekowski> mtnman: remove battery and check if network is still there
Nov 10 14:47:57 <mtnman> there is an app for that
Nov 10 14:48:02 <crashanddie_> DocScrutinizer, went to a real estate company to get some price ideas. They asked how much I was earning, and immediately tried to sell me a 600k place. WTF?
Nov 10 14:48:06 <mtnman> (choc cake)
Nov 10 14:48:07 <jacekowski> mtnman: if it's still there then your macshit is a piece of shit
Nov 10 14:48:30 * mtnman is not a mac fan, prefers debian goodness
Nov 10 14:48:34 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: they get paid by commision
Nov 10 14:48:42 <crashanddie_> jacekowski, no, really?
Nov 10 14:49:09 <crashanddie_> wow, I can hardly believe that, next we're going to hear that investment bankers are on commission as well!
Nov 10 14:49:12 <mtnman> real estate people are really hurting these days.
Nov 10 14:49:23 <crashanddie_> mtnman, depends which country
Nov 10 14:49:34 <SpeedEvil> Is 600k a big place where you are?
Nov 10 14:49:41 <SpeedEvil> Some places that wil get you a mansion.
Nov 10 14:49:55 <SpeedEvil> Some places a small flat.
Nov 10 14:50:05 <crashanddie_> SpeedEvil, it's OK, probably a main house with summer house, swimming pool, 6 bedrooms
Nov 10 14:50:38 <mtnman> ok n900 shut down, the ap is no longer appearing as a choice on the mac network selector thingie.  i have not pulled the battery.
Nov 10 14:50:58 <crashanddie_> maybe it's a coincidence, and the AP was deactivated just at that time?
Nov 10 14:51:07 <crashanddie_> You should keep the n900 offline for an hour to make sure.
Nov 10 14:52:11 <mtnman> crashanddie_ the ap "followed" me on a 40 minute bus ride, and a walk from there to my home.   i don't think an hour is going to make me any surer that ap is from the n900
Nov 10 14:52:35 <crashanddie_> mtnman, sarcasm. Google it.
Nov 10 14:53:07 <crashanddie_> jacekowski, to be honest, I was actually more thinking around something of 150-200k
Nov 10 14:53:50 <crashanddie_> which is what any sane real estate agent should be doing, someone comes in to ask for prices, multiply their gross yearly salary by three, and those are the houses you show them
Nov 10 14:54:30 <lardman> might not work in the UK, or are you thinking specifically investment bankers?
Nov 10 14:54:50 <crashanddie_> nope, me.
Nov 10 14:55:28 <lardman> I think that estate agents have no clue
Nov 10 14:55:51 <crashanddie_> lardman, thing is, at 60k a year, I can hope at best to repay 15k a year. So it would take me... 40 years to repay a 600k house.
Nov 10 14:56:11 <lardman> that's normal-ish
Nov 10 14:56:17 <crashanddie_> eh?
Nov 10 14:56:22 <lardman> you're young enough for that length of mortgage anyway
Nov 10 14:56:24 <crashanddie_> Normal in my book is 20, 25 years
Nov 10 14:56:35 <mtnman> ok after shutting down, waiting a few minutes, and starting up, ap K1500-KGABC123 shows as an available network from the n900, but is not showing up on the mac's network selector.
Nov 10 14:56:52 <crashanddie_> lardman, it's too risky an investment frankly
Nov 10 14:56:52 <lcuk> crashanddie_, you forget about interest rates.
Nov 10 14:56:57 <crashanddie_> lcuk, indeed
Nov 10 14:57:00 <lcuk> so even if you go for the lesser house
Nov 10 14:57:03 <lcuk> you will still pay the same :P
Nov 10 14:57:13 <lardman> crashanddie_: of course, but the estate agents just want you to buy something
Nov 10 14:57:22 <crashanddie_> well, they're idiots
Nov 10 14:57:29 <lardman> as I said above
Nov 10 14:57:31 <lardman> ;)
Nov 10 14:57:35 <crashanddie_> indeed
Nov 10 14:58:05 <crashanddie_> It's just so frigging lame everyone these days is just hoping to make OMG MONIES, rather than providing people with actual service.
Nov 10 14:58:25 <nidO> well its them it backfires on, because instead of a 200k sale, they end up with no sale.
Nov 10 14:58:36 <crashanddie_> exactly
Nov 10 14:58:38 <nidO> so let them keep it up, and theyll either learn or go bust
Nov 10 14:58:56 <mtnman> someone should clue them in about the bird in the hand vs. two in the bush
Nov 10 15:01:19 <Pauly_> hi
Nov 10 15:01:58 <MohammadAG51> finally, a pair of headphones
Nov 10 15:08:48 <Pauly_> hi
Nov 10 15:08:54 <javispedro> hi..
Nov 10 15:09:13 <javispedro> so, Nokia's Senior VP of Symbian doesn't understand all the Symbian bashing? :)
Nov 10 15:09:32 <RST38h> javispedro: He is prohibited form understanding by his job position
Nov 10 15:09:32 <Pauly_> i need help i have windows 7 x64 and cant seem to get usb mass storage working with n900
Nov 10 15:09:38 <RST38h> Ok, not he, she
Nov 10 15:11:28 <lardman> Pauly_: works for me
Nov 10 15:11:29 <javispedro> she's confirming that the Meego and Symbian groups only talk about UI design :)
Nov 10 15:12:02 <Pauly_> every time i put it in windows says cant recognize usb device
Nov 10 15:12:08 <Pauly_> or something like that
Nov 10 15:12:12 <RST38h> javispedro: ?
Nov 10 15:12:12 <lardman> wierd
Nov 10 15:13:03 <rmrfchik> Pauly_: my win7x64 works fine
Nov 10 15:13:26 <mtnman> rmrfchik: im sure that is very comforting to him :D
Nov 10 15:13:34 <rmrfchik> Pauly_: anyway, why u need it as mass storage? can't you use pc-suite mode?
Nov 10 15:13:41 <Pauly_> idk when i use he ubuntu live cd on this machine works fine?
Nov 10 15:13:51 <Pauly_> but not windows 7
Nov 10 15:14:02 <Pauly_> dont work either?
Nov 10 15:14:06 <lardman> do other mass storage devices work?
Nov 10 15:14:10 <Pauly_> yes
Nov 10 15:14:10 <rmrfchik> mtnman: sure, because flashing don't work in 7x64. and my info makes sure that usb-storage working
Nov 10 15:14:53 <Pauly_> ughh  windows
Nov 10 15:14:58 <javispedro> RST38h: "And at many different levels between Symbian and MeeGo there is discussion on how do we make functionality the best... let's take NFC for example, or Voice UI ..."
Nov 10 15:14:58 <rmrfchik> Pauly_: try to update drivers in windows for this device
Nov 10 15:16:08 <Pauly_> theres no potion for that
Nov 10 15:16:08 <lcuk> Pauly_, try using a different usb port perhaps
Nov 10 15:16:27 <Pauly_> i keep cycling trough 6 of em
Nov 10 15:17:12 <lcuk> sounds like you have fscked up the ports, it used to be really easy to send windows into such a tiz
Nov 10 15:17:58 <lardman> what does device manager say about the device?
Nov 10 15:19:24 <MohammadAG51> hmm
Nov 10 15:19:26 <rmrfchik> Pauly_: open device manager, locate usb device, click properties, click "Update" or sometjinjg like this
Nov 10 15:19:29 <MohammadAG51> can't seek in music
Nov 10 15:19:38 <MohammadAG51> Unable to seek stream
Nov 10 15:19:53 <MohammadAG51> I think i broke a gstreamer package while trying to get DVDs working
Nov 10 15:20:21 <RST38h> javispedro: I think she is too high in the hierarchy to understand what she is talking about :((
Nov 10 15:20:29 <lardman> lol
Nov 10 15:21:07 <RST38h> javispedro: Because sure as hell, Meego and Symbian will NOT share NFS driver or most of the NFC stack
Nov 10 15:21:14 <RST38h> NFC
Nov 10 15:21:17 <Pauly_> i give up
Nov 10 15:21:31 <rmrfchik> Pauly_: you can't find device manager? ;)
Nov 10 15:21:34 <lardman> Pauly_: device manager?
Nov 10 15:21:35 <Pauly_> it says windows has the most up to date software for unknown device
Nov 10 15:21:38 * javispedro fortunately has no idea what NFC is
Nov 10 15:21:40 <rmrfchik> RST38h: what is NFC?
Nov 10 15:21:47 <crashanddie_> near field communication
Nov 10 15:21:50 <crashanddie_> smartcards and such
Nov 10 15:22:01 <lardman> what is the VID/PID returned for the device?
Nov 10 15:22:11 <javispedro> oh
Nov 10 15:22:35 <jacekowski> vendor id and product id
Nov 10 15:22:39 <Pauly_> thanks anyways
Nov 10 15:22:44 <Pauly_> i hate my pc
Nov 10 15:22:59 <RST38h> NFC is a built-in rfid chip for payments on the fly
Nov 10 15:23:01 <jacekowski> what is a problem?
Nov 10 15:23:08 <crashanddie_> erhm, no it's not
Nov 10 15:23:27 <lardman> jacekowski: I know, I'm asking Pauly_
Nov 10 15:23:29 <crashanddie_> NFC is just an umbrella name for any wireless technology that can only be activated within 4 inches or so
Nov 10 15:23:52 <RST38h> crashanddie: In Nokia speak, as far as I can see by current products, it is just an rfid chip
Nov 10 15:24:11 <crashanddie_> yes, but NFC has nothing to do with payments
Nov 10 15:24:15 <crashanddie_> be it Nokia-speak or otherwise
Nov 10 15:24:18 <RST38h> Not that it wasn't useful of course, I like paying tolls with my phone :)
Nov 10 15:24:35 <RST38h> crashanddie: that is the most commonly proposed usage
Nov 10 15:24:40 <Pauly_> is it HArdware IDs
Nov 10 15:24:45 <RST38h> crashanddie: in fact, may be the only one
Nov 10 15:24:48 <crashanddie_> RST38h, really?
Nov 10 15:24:50 <javispedro> RST38h: oh. why do I suddenly envision a heavily bearded  man boasting stuff about "portable tracking devices"
Nov 10 15:25:03 <Pauly_> usb/unknown comes  up
Nov 10 15:25:04 <Pauly_> gtg
Nov 10 15:25:09 <Pauly_>  thanks so much but i give up
Nov 10 15:25:12 <RST38h> crashanddie: Try remembering any mentions of other uses in the press
Nov 10 15:25:12 <Pauly_> maybe later
Nov 10 15:25:14 <crashanddie_> RST38h, so, opening an office door with your cellphone is out of the question? A lot more people use that than any other NFC use-case in the world.
Nov 10 15:25:50 <RST38h> crashanddie: ok but it is still the same rfid thing
Nov 10 15:25:58 <crashanddie_> not exactly
Nov 10 15:26:04 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: all rfid chips can be cloned
Nov 10 15:26:14 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: so far nobody produced safe technology for that
Nov 10 15:26:17 <crashanddie_> NFC for payments is going to require encryption and stuff like that
Nov 10 15:26:28 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: well, mifare
Nov 10 15:26:35 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: all transport payment systems
Nov 10 15:26:39 <jacekowski> lobster cards
Nov 10 15:26:41 <lardman> Pauly_: if it can't see the VID/PID, the problem lies quite low down
Nov 10 15:26:42 <RST38h> crash: Is your credit card number encrypted on that magnetic strip?
Nov 10 15:26:43 <jacekowski> and similiar thing
Nov 10 15:26:49 <lardman> and nothing to do with the N900
Nov 10 15:26:53 <lardman> probably
Nov 10 15:26:59 <crashanddie_> my previous company was working on a standard that would allow to exchange arbitrary information over the air
Nov 10 15:27:06 <jacekowski> RST38h: there is a difference between radio that everybody can read and magnetic
Nov 10 15:27:18 <RST38h> jacekowski: *4 inches*
Nov 10 15:27:19 <javispedro> ... magnetic that everybody can ready :)
Nov 10 15:27:24 <RST38h> So, no, no difference
Nov 10 15:27:27 <javispedro> readily read.
Nov 10 15:27:30 <jacekowski> RST38h: pffffff
Nov 10 15:27:41 <jacekowski> RST38h: mifare can do only one inch
Nov 10 15:27:50 <jacekowski> RST38h: but you can read it with sensitive antenna from couple meters
Nov 10 15:27:57 <RST38h> jacekowski: crash said NFC is defined as 4-inches or less
Nov 10 15:28:06 <jacekowski> RST38h: operation range
Nov 10 15:28:23 <jacekowski> RST38h: but anybody with sensitive antenna can recieve transmission between base device and card
Nov 10 15:28:31 <jacekowski> RST38h: from couple meters distance
Nov 10 15:28:39 <RST38h> That is an hw engineering problem to resolve isn';t it?
Nov 10 15:28:45 <jacekowski> no
Nov 10 15:28:47 <crashanddie_> RST38h, good read on the subject: http://www.google.com/url?sa=t&source=web&cd=4&sqi=2&ved=0CB8QFjAD&url=http%3A%2F%2Fwww.sourcemediaconferences.com%2FCTST09%2FPDF09%2FA%2FTuesday%2FFedronicDominic.pdf&rct=j&q=actividentity%20ubiquity&ei=grjaTPauEpDtOcqHpJUJ&usg=AFQjCNGHi9fbljqraqGGDBZincmYFKITyQ&cad=rja
Nov 10 15:28:49 <jacekowski> it can't be resolved
Nov 10 15:28:49 <crashanddie_> err
Nov 10 15:28:58 <jacekowski> unless you would shield everything
Nov 10 15:29:04 <RST38h> too damn long to copy =(
Nov 10 15:29:07 <jacekowski> so card has to be inside of RF shield
Nov 10 15:29:21 <crashanddie_> RST38h, http://www.sourcemediaconferences.com/CTST09/PDF09/A/Tuesday/FedronicDominic.pdf
Nov 10 15:29:22 <jacekowski> but then you can as well use contact cards
Nov 10 15:29:26 <RST38h> thanks
Nov 10 15:29:27 <jacekowski> and don't have that problem at all
Nov 10 15:29:40 <rmrfchik> RST38h: you have no, emmm, mouse? ;)
Nov 10 15:29:53 <crashanddie_> RST38h, I helped writing the RFC for that
Nov 10 15:29:54 <javispedro> mouse on an N900?
Nov 10 15:29:59 <RST38h> rmrfchik: No in SSH client window, it does not copy across the lines properly
Nov 10 15:30:16 <MohammadAG51> javispedro, sure, it works
Nov 10 15:30:27 <rmrfchik> RST38h: ahh. i use gvim.exe for copy-paste-join when I on windows
Nov 10 15:30:29 <javispedro> I know, but not common.
Nov 10 15:30:32 <MohammadAG51> what handles seeking music?
Nov 10 15:30:38 <jacekowski> RST38h: unless you do heavy encryption in card that's powered only by radio waves ( which is complicated if it has to be cheap at the same time )
Nov 10 15:30:48 <MohammadAG51> javispedro, more common than mice on the N8
Nov 10 15:30:54 <jacekowski> RST38h: everybody can hack it with hardware worth less than £100 + laptop
Nov 10 15:30:56 <rmrfchik> javispedro: well, n900 terminal handles copy=paste well
Nov 10 15:30:57 <crashanddie_> jacekowski, it doesn't have to be cheap
Nov 10 15:30:59 <jacekowski> RST38h: or n900
Nov 10 15:31:09 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: if it's for mass use it will have to be cheap
Nov 10 15:31:16 <crashanddie_> jacekowski, most cards cost at about $8-18 each
Nov 10 15:31:23 <jacekowski> crashanddie_: cost of making chip&magnetic credit card is under £2
Nov 10 15:31:45 <crashanddie_> cost maybe, but what the banks buy them for is $8 for the cheapest crpa
Nov 10 15:31:46 <crashanddie_> crap
Nov 10 15:32:01 <crashanddie_> if you want to go higher than your bog standard 1024 keys, you need to dash out cash
Nov 10 15:32:36 <jacekowski> in poland many years ago when you had to use magnetic card sort of thing for payphones on street
Nov 10 15:32:48 <jacekowski> cheapest card to buy was 5pln and that worked at under £1
Nov 10 15:33:00 <crashanddie_> well, MAGNETIC
Nov 10 15:33:01 <jacekowski> and that included 5pln worth of credit
Nov 10 15:33:05 <nidO> and they were magnetic
Nov 10 15:33:11 <nidO> they didnt have a chip as well
Nov 10 15:33:25 <jacekowski> later they started making them chip without magnetic
Nov 10 15:33:27 <crashanddie_> and even if they have chips, it's the cryptoprocessor inside the chip that's expensive
Nov 10 15:33:39 <jacekowski> and then cheapest one is just 10pln
Nov 10 15:33:42 <jacekowski> which is £2
Nov 10 15:33:53 <crashanddie_> don't forget that old phonecards were just a bunch of transistors that the phonebooth would burn through to remove credit
Nov 10 15:34:16 <jacekowski> new ones
Nov 10 15:34:38 <crashanddie_> no, those were the old chip ones
Nov 10 15:34:51 <crashanddie_> in use in France since the late 70s
Nov 10 15:35:18 <crashanddie_> France has had a chip-n-pin bank cards since the mid 80s
Nov 10 15:35:29 <jacekowski> yeah, new ones like these used in poland are full digital electronic
Nov 10 15:36:14 <crashanddie_> jacekowski, though, if you want the price, call the UK-based activity office, and tell them you're from any police-force in the UK, and you need to replenish your stock of cards
Nov 10 15:36:19 <crashanddie_> you'll see what the pricing is
Nov 10 15:36:47 <jacekowski> and that's using proper cryptography ( system is still secure, after 10+ years since they removed magnetic cards )
Nov 10 15:37:11 <jacekowski> and cheapest card you can buy is 10pln including 10pln of credit
Nov 10 15:37:24 <jacekowski> so manufacturing cost has to be under that
Nov 10 15:37:29 <crashanddie_> they don't use proper cryptography mate
Nov 10 15:38:04 <crashanddie_> I mean, trust me on this, I used to implement these systems and still consult on a regular basis for these companies
Nov 10 15:38:38 <crashanddie_> There is no company in the world that sells phone cards with cryptoprocessors on them. None, zit, nada.
Nov 10 15:39:10 <crashanddie_> They can't even afford to get good cryptoprocessors in their SIM cards, do you honestly expect them to have proper security in anything their margin is even lower on?
Nov 10 15:41:09 <crashanddie_> A pretty big insurance company rolled out 8000 smartcards for its employees without changing the smartcard master key -- anyone with a copy of the specific smartcard issuance software they used was able to modify the contents on the card.
Nov 10 15:42:38 <crashanddie_> security is at an abysmal level these days. And anyone with a decent understanding of electronics, and encryption/handshaking processes, plus a bit of hardware at his disposal (mainly card readers) could make a pretty nice living if he so desired
Nov 10 15:43:21 <jacekowski> 1.
Nov 10 15:43:21 <jacekowski> of or like an abyss; immeasurably deep or great.
Nov 10 15:43:21 <jacekowski> 2.
Nov 10 15:43:22 <jacekowski> extremely or hopelessly bad or severe: abysmal ignorance; abysmal poverty.
Nov 10 15:43:30 <jacekowski> definition 1 or 2?
Nov 10 15:43:34 <javispedro> 2
Nov 10 15:44:08 <crashanddie_> You know all the tolls in Europe? You can get through them with a hotel keycard. Don't need to skim anyone's card, you can make up a number
Nov 10 15:44:23 <crashanddie_> The only number you need to get right are the 4 first digits on the card, which indicates the bank
Nov 10 15:44:25 <jacekowski> not really
Nov 10 15:44:29 <crashanddie_> yes, really.
Nov 10 15:44:33 <jacekowski> on some of them you have to pay cash
Nov 10 15:44:40 <jacekowski> and there is no electronic option
Nov 10 15:44:43 <crashanddie_> ok, automated tolls then
Nov 10 15:44:47 <Shapeshifter> you say it's been bettr in th past?
Nov 10 15:44:56 <crashanddie_> I'm speaking of mainland europea, not polack land
Nov 10 15:45:04 <javispedro> also, you can fake metro passes on most spanish cities =)
Nov 10 15:45:05 <jacekowski> dartford crossing
Nov 10 15:45:07 <RST38h> [state-of-factly] Discovery, arrest, conviction, deportation to .PL
Nov 10 15:45:28 <crashanddie_> basically: as long as the toll system doesn't get to call in to your bank on the spot, you're good
Nov 10 15:45:58 <crashanddie_> so 90% of highway tolls in Europe, 99% in USA
Nov 10 15:46:01 <RST38h> javispedro: Washington Metro had the same data written to the ticket in both directions, so that the card could be inserted either way or something
Nov 10 15:46:27 <RST38h> javispedro; For a while, people used that to get double rides
Nov 10 15:47:29 <crashanddie_> RST38h, yeah, the same thing was done in Kiev or some eastern city. Basically, at the exit of the station, you would give your ticket to someone who was traveling in the opposite direction
Nov 10 15:47:44 <RST38h> crash: No, that is different
Nov 10 15:48:05 <crashanddie_> well, yeah, but same principle -- re-use of same ticket
Nov 10 15:48:27 <RST38h> crash: Nope
Nov 10 15:48:53 <RST38h> crash: What you are describing is possible when the gate lets you out of the station for free if you are leaving the same station you entered
Nov 10 15:49:16 <RST38h> crash: It is a really not a technological approach, rather epxloiting a policy loophole
Nov 10 15:49:30 <javispedro> and even considering how deadly easy is to fake a metro pass, I wonder why people don't do it more often instead of simply not having any pass, risking the Eur50 fine.
Nov 10 15:49:36 <crashanddie_> erhm, no, that's not what I was talking about
Nov 10 15:49:53 <crashanddie_> nevermind
Nov 10 15:49:59 <RST38h> crash: Dunno about Kiev, but Moscow metro gates charge you at the entrance
Nov 10 15:50:12 <RST38h> crash: So, not possible, at least not here
Nov 10 15:50:17 <Shapeshifter> javispedro: what kind of pass? faking one is a serious offence afaik
Nov 10 15:50:23 <Shapeshifter> forgery
Nov 10 15:51:10 <javispedro> it is, but it is also more harder to detect.
Nov 10 15:51:19 <crashanddie_> RST38h, jacekowski: another document that might be of interested: http://www.mirrorservice.org/sites/download.sourceforge.net/pub/sourceforge/o/project/op/opacity/OPACITY%20Overview-v3-7.pdf
Nov 10 15:55:20 <sjk> Hey! What's the secret repository I should add to app manager to be able to download stuff like zip/unzip?
Nov 10 15:56:39 <Mece> sjk, testing it seems: http://maemo.org/packages/view/unzip/
Nov 10 15:57:06 <crashanddie_> sjk, please use ~ping rather than pinging people randomly
Nov 10 15:57:21 <sjk> ~ping
Nov 10 15:57:21 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 10 15:57:47 <Termana> crashanddie_, how do like that?
Nov 10 15:57:49 <Termana> :D
Nov 10 15:58:00 <crashanddie_> [KB `Termana@#maemo] [y/n]
Nov 10 15:58:52 <Termana> crashanddie_, strange. I CTCP FINGER'ed you
Nov 10 15:59:07 <Shapeshifter> I have a problem on my n900. I've got 68mb free rootf, 4.1gb opt. Yet when I try to download something in microb to a folder in opt, e.g. .documents I get an error 'not enough memory in target location'. and that error just sticks in front of microb and doesn't even go away. I have to killall -9 browserd. in opera, the download simply never starts. and today, HAM told me it can't install some updates because of lacking space
Nov 10 15:59:12 <Termana> crashanddie_, feel good to be FINGER'ed?
Nov 10 15:59:26 <crashanddie_> that's enough
Nov 10 15:59:37 <javispedro> you're evil.
Nov 10 15:59:44 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, hm
Nov 10 15:59:46 <javispedro> you're unevil.
Nov 10 15:59:50 <lcuk> did you alter size of /home partition
Nov 10 15:59:55 <lcuk> cos you shouldnt have 4.1gb in opt
Nov 10 16:00:20 <sjk> Why, oh why, is there not a zsh package? :)
Nov 10 16:00:31 <Termana> Well, anyway, with that - I'm going to bed. Good night all
Nov 10 16:00:37 <crashanddie_> night
Nov 10 16:01:24 <Shapeshifter> lcuk: I didn't mess with the partitioning at all
Nov 10 16:01:43 <Shapeshifter> uh sorry, I meant 4.1gb in mydocs
Nov 10 16:02:10 <lcuk> Shapeshifter, so, how much space for /home | opt then? :)
Nov 10 16:02:47 <Shapeshifter> opt has 153mb. but .documents is in MyDocs....
Nov 10 16:03:15 <Shapeshifter> and microb and opera fail at downloading files of like 1mb
Nov 10 16:05:55 <n900-space> i just got my n900 back from a friend
Nov 10 16:06:47 <n900-space> he had it for 2 weeks, and i just noticed he has installed pr1.3 on it
Nov 10 16:06:54 <n900-space> and the device is snappy :)
Nov 10 16:06:59 <n900-space> i'm luving it
Nov 10 16:07:54 <Shapeshifter> uhu
Nov 10 16:12:56 <kerio> n900-space: how could you do that
Nov 10 16:13:07 <kerio> i wouldn't give my n900 away to save my mother's life
Nov 10 16:13:14 <n900-space> :o
Nov 10 16:13:31 <n900-space> well, it was away for a month actually
Nov 10 16:13:35 <kerio> :O
Nov 10 16:14:05 <n900-space> 2 weeks to 1 friend and then he posted an excellent review of it and the other close friend he wants it for a week
Nov 10 16:14:10 <n900-space> he kept it for 2
Nov 10 16:14:30 <n900-space> i'm luvin it today :$
Nov 10 16:18:56 <psycho_oreos> I've noticed they've tried to push PR1.3 update through OTA, even if you didn't explicitly set to install the new PR1.3 packages.. it seems like the dependencies of the packages link back to PR1.3 so basically its to me forced :)
Nov 10 16:49:22 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: yep
Nov 10 16:50:14 <DocScrutinizer> I had not a single working pdate for PR1.2 apps since PR1.3 came out
Nov 10 16:50:51 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, pdate? prior date?
Nov 10 16:50:57 <DocScrutinizer> update
Nov 10 16:51:01 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Nov 10 16:51:04 <psycho_oreos> ahh
Nov 10 16:51:34 <MohammadAG> Qt 4.7
Nov 10 16:52:33 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: if you'd were an user of my apps ;)
Nov 10 16:53:57 * DocScrutinizer wonders whom to give a good let know about that
Nov 10 16:57:12 <realitygaps> anyone else having problems adding a 3g connection in pr1.3?
Nov 10 16:58:52 <realitygaps> it only lets me add wifi connections and theres no option for packet data
Nov 10 16:59:24 <psycho_oreos> you need fapn
Nov 10 16:59:38 <realitygaps> psycho_oreos: thx will try that
Nov 10 16:59:54 <psycho_oreos> realitygaps, nw
Nov 10 17:31:45 <tybollt> ~bitchslap
Nov 10 17:33:33 <_trine> the UK update to PR 1.3 worked today
Nov 10 17:34:02 <_trine> 200.2 MB update
Nov 10 17:34:18 <SpeedEvil> congrats.
Nov 10 17:34:45 <_trine> it wipes out everything you had on your phone though
Nov 10 17:35:22 <alterego> Wow, I sound like a really nice guy on paper.
Nov 10 17:35:44 <timeless_mbp> _trine: you don't need to reflash to do an upgrade
Nov 10 17:35:54 <alterego> Maybe I should add "Serial Killer" to personal interests.
Nov 10 17:35:59 <timeless_mbp> if you want to do an in place update, you need to ensure your system isn't horribly broken
Nov 10 17:36:10 <timeless_mbp> 1. it must have space for an update.
Nov 10 17:36:22 <timeless_mbp> 2. you must not have removed software the system relies on to do the upgrade
Nov 10 17:36:48 <_trine> I just followed the update instructions on my phone
Nov 10 17:36:50 <timeless_mbp> 3. you must not have installed software which conflicts with the upgrade (either by depending on versions to be replaced or refusing versions incoming)
Nov 10 17:36:57 * SpeedEvil wonders why there are no parallel killers.
Nov 10 17:37:06 <MohammadAG> LOL
Nov 10 17:37:18 <timeless_mbp> _trine: your phone would offer you that if it isn't capable of doing an in place upgrade because of 1-3
Nov 10 17:37:28 * MohammadAG kills Noobmonk3y with a 200mA pulse
Nov 10 17:37:41 * timeless_mbp goes off to panic()
Nov 10 17:37:49 <psycho_oreos> let there be bloodshed? behold parallel killers?
Nov 10 17:37:50 * Noobmonk3y dies
Nov 10 17:37:50 <_trine> timeless_mbp: it didn't say anything about other options
Nov 10 17:38:03 <_trine> it just went ahead and up graded
Nov 10 17:38:29 <_trine> then after it was completely erased to new
Nov 10 17:38:48 <_trine> it's not so bad it's my wifes phone :P
Nov 10 17:38:57 <_trine> I did hers first
Nov 10 17:39:04 <_trine> jejjejeje
Nov 10 17:39:23 * MohammadAG kills perverted part of his mind with 20mA pulse
Nov 10 17:39:35 <_trine> now I will have to install everything again
Nov 10 17:39:39 <MohammadAG> sorry, I'm an asshole :P
Nov 10 17:40:23 <_trine> MohammadAG: is there a new power kernel for 1.3 yet
Nov 10 17:40:46 <MohammadAG> yes, with hostmode built in
Nov 10 17:41:39 <_trine> MohammadAG:  sorry my phone just rang bbs
Nov 10 17:45:06 <MohammadAG> alterego, central layout can be set at any time right?
Nov 10 17:45:17 <MohammadAG> i.e in runtime, it can be reset to something else, right?
Nov 10 17:45:20 <alterego> MohammadAG: indeedly
Nov 10 17:45:28 <alterego> Well, it always is set at run time :P
Nov 10 17:45:57 <MohammadAG> yeah, just making sure that it can be set to something else
Nov 10 17:46:53 <alterego> You'll need to delete the layout you were using though and any children it may contain to prevent a memory leak.
Nov 10 17:53:58 <MohammadAG> alterego, even if they're just buttons?
Nov 10 17:55:09 <alterego> If the buttons are parented to the layout, then if you delete the layout it'll delete all the buttons aswell.
Nov 10 17:55:18 <alterego> (I don't remember if that's the case though :>
Nov 10 17:55:30 <alterego> Pretty sure it is.
Nov 10 17:56:06 * alterego asks on #qt ^.^
Nov 10 17:56:29 <alterego> Aparrently they're not.
Nov 10 17:57:52 <alterego> Can I recommend creating a QWidget and instead of replacing the layout, replace the QWidget
Nov 10 17:58:00 <alterego> Then if you delete the QWidget it'll delete everything associated with it.
Nov 10 18:06:50 <itsfm> hi, can anyone tell me what a little piece of paper with a red line through it where normally I would see 3G as a network status means (its next to the battery icon in the status top bar part). and when that showed up SMS stopped working
Nov 10 18:06:59 <SpeedEvil> SIM error
Nov 10 18:07:47 <itsfm> any tips on troubleshooting it? I can call out and receive calls and make data connections through t-mobile.
Nov 10 18:07:51 <Noobmonk3y> brb
Nov 10 18:08:46 <SpeedEvil> you can call out when this happens?
Nov 10 18:09:35 <itsfm> ya. its been constant 'broken paper' for the last 3 days. I have made plenty of calls, received plenty of calls as well as rebooted the phone several times.
Nov 10 18:09:40 <ieatlint> itsfm: reseat the sim card and verify the contacts are clean
Nov 10 18:10:00 <SpeedEvil> \Very odd
Nov 10 18:10:07 <itsfm> ok. I'll try that again. nwo
Nov 10 18:10:08 <itsfm> now
Nov 10 18:10:10 <lardman|home> Any Python experts here?
Nov 10 18:10:11 <SpeedEvil> If he (or she) can call out - the SIM is working
Nov 10 18:10:22 <ieatlint> and yeah, with the sim error you shouldn't be able to call anything but emergency services :P
Nov 10 18:10:33 <Macer> blah
Nov 10 18:10:47 <Macer> anybody try easydeb meego yet?
Nov 10 18:10:58 <Macer> was just wondering how functional it was
Nov 10 18:11:29 <SpeedEvil> not emergency services in the UK
Nov 10 18:12:00 <RST38h> http://www.spiegel.de/international/zeitgeist/0,1518,709345,00.html
Nov 10 18:12:42 <SpeedEvil> \http://news.xinhuanet.com/english2010/world/2010-11/06/c_13593358.htm
Nov 10 18:13:10 <RST38h> They got him! THEY FINALLY GOT THE RABBIT!
Nov 10 18:13:13 <lardman|home> well anyway, can one use sip to generate bindings for C code, and then cast a python object to said sip generated class?
Nov 10 18:13:24 <lardman|home> s/C/C++
Nov 10 18:13:54 <itsfm> that didn't take care of it. another piece of info.. I have periods where i get floods of sms messages from monitoring systems and it seems like it became a problem when I was getting sms's about as fast as it would take them.
Nov 10 18:14:09 <itsfm> any other ideas?
Nov 10 18:14:39 <DrWilken> could it be a problem with Your provider?
Nov 10 18:14:40 <itsfm> I spoke to the provider (t-mobile) and they didn't see anything wrong. also when I try to send it fails right away. doesn't appear to even try to send it just instantly comes up failed to send sms
Nov 10 18:14:51 <DrWilken> k
Nov 10 18:17:12 <javispedro> ~c++
Nov 10 18:17:23 <javispedro> infobot: do you hate c++?
Nov 10 18:17:23 <infobot> yes, I hate c++.
Nov 10 18:17:36 <lardman|home> no takers for the Python question then....?
Nov 10 18:17:51 <javispedro> omg.
Nov 10 18:18:10 <MohammadAG> infobot, do you hate yourself?
Nov 10 18:18:11 <infobot> yes, I hate yourself.
Nov 10 18:18:20 <lizardo> lardman|home: try asking on #pyqt (if you are using SIP)   or #pyside (if you are using the PySide generator)
Nov 10 18:18:25 <MohammadAG> win/fail
Nov 10 18:18:33 <lardman|home> lizardo: thanks
Nov 10 18:20:05 <sivang> re all
Nov 10 18:20:09 <sivang> lardman|home: which python ?
Nov 10 18:20:25 <sivang> lardman|home: err, which question:)
Nov 10 18:22:58 <lardman|home> sivang: trying to implement Python scripting in a Qt app, just wondering if I can use SIP bindings so that I can cast the Python class object to a C++ class and then call methods on it
Nov 10 18:23:15 <lardman|home> s/on/of
Nov 10 18:23:56 <sivang> lardman|home: theoretically you can, but not sure SIP is the good choice for that
Nov 10 18:24:12 <sivang> lardman|home: I would try and use the what pyside guys have produced, as a binding generator
Nov 10 18:24:23 <andax> how can i check if the wifi sending power? i did set it 10 times lower than default and still have very good signal level 10 meters away from access point behind 2 walls
Nov 10 18:24:31 <sivang> lardman|home: My own python project got stalled due to bad binding produced by SIP
Nov 10 18:24:37 <andax> check if its really set
Nov 10 18:24:54 <lardman|home> the alternative is to just grab a C++ reference to the Python class object and call the methods on that (in Python) and convert the answers to C++ variables
Nov 10 18:25:23 <lardman|home> sivang: I was trying to follow how web2sms got the bindings/Python-scripting-in-C++ working
Nov 10 18:25:51 <_trine> MohammadAG: are you still here ?
Nov 10 18:26:03 <tobis87> andax: iwconfig should show the Tx-Power level
Nov 10 18:26:51 <tobis87> or was it the signal, noice level? one of them.
Nov 10 18:27:04 <lardman|home> the advantage of casting to a C++ class is that I could use signals and slots, etc. I'll take a look at how PySide does it
Nov 10 18:28:15 <MohammadAG> _trine, yes, unavailable for assistance due to fucked up device
Nov 10 18:28:27 <Aranel> there was a xterm command to list all installed packages, what was it?
Nov 10 18:28:33 <_trine> oh dear sorry to hear that
Nov 10 18:29:23 <lardman|home> http://lynxline.com/qt-python-superhybrids/ looks interesting
Nov 10 18:33:32 <DrWilken> Aranel: dpkg -l
Nov 10 18:33:53 <DrWilken> ii = installed, rc = configs left over (afair)
Nov 10 18:34:54 <lardman|home> hmm, problem with my link above is that it requires a Python main(), while I want to call arbitrary Python classes from my C++ main (et al)
Nov 10 18:36:07 * lardman|home curses the many hours he has to spend arsing around with stuff like this and not getting any useful work done
Nov 10 18:36:13 <sivang> lardman|home: I think this is already done for you through the pyside binding generation, and it was specifically made to allow the signals and slots, hop onto #pyside or mail the mailing list
Nov 10 18:36:25 <lardman|home> ok, will try that
Nov 10 18:36:42 <sivang> lardman|home: the project facilitator is one of the nicest guys I've met , and the brazilian guys are always happy to help and are smart as hell
Nov 10 18:36:58 <lardman|home> cool
Nov 10 18:37:12 <lardman|home> have to go do some washing up, will ask in a few minutes
Nov 10 18:37:16 <lardman|home> :)
Nov 10 18:37:23 <sivang> lardman|home: PySide is one of the favorites project in Nokia's ecosystem, and allowing others to create more qt style bindings were one of the goals in writing their own binding generator
Nov 10 18:37:27 <sivang> lardman|home: :)
Nov 10 18:37:29 <sivang> lardman|home: are you coming to dublin?
Nov 10 18:43:39 <andax> tobis87: i could not find something like Tx-Power: http://pastebin.mozilla.org/846124
Nov 10 18:46:19 * sivang is setting up a lenny chroot, again
Nov 10 18:46:22 <sivang> bah
Nov 10 18:46:24 <andax> should have been "dpkg -l | grep iwconfig" but doesnt make  a difference
Nov 10 18:52:23 <andax> sivang: wrecked lenny?
Nov 10 18:58:23 <sivang> andax: well, somehow I always manage to get the chroot halfly working with me having to do stuff like export TERM=xterm and export HOME=.. etc
Nov 10 18:58:39 <sivang> andax: I follow the same doc everytime and the results are never the same :)
Nov 10 19:00:50 <javispedro> :)
Nov 10 19:01:12 <lardman|home> sivang: no, can't make it to Dublin, day job is really busy and I'm not sure if I'll even have my passport handy
Nov 10 19:01:40 <lardman|home> in fact I almost certainly won't as I need to send it off tomorrow or the next day
Nov 10 19:04:58 <sivang> lardman|home: I see, okay, next time then.
Nov 10 19:05:40 <andax> sivang: maybe you separately need to mount dev and proc too for more success
Nov 10 19:06:06 <lardman|home> sivang: yeah sorry, I originally had a meeting planned for mid-way through the Meego Conf, so hadn't thought I could make it anyway
Nov 10 19:08:12 <MohammadAG> if anyone's interested, flashing the N900 takes real	1m32.611s
Nov 10 19:08:17 <tobis87> andax: You need to be root. sudo gainroot and after that iwconfig
Nov 10 19:08:23 <MohammadAG> as measured by 'time'
Nov 10 19:08:49 <sivang> andax: yes, doing that after the chroot is ready but on the crapbook it didn't work so well, on the desktop more so :)
Nov 10 19:08:59 <sivang> MohammadAG: you time the flasher from linux?
Nov 10 19:09:12 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 10 19:09:30 <MohammadAG> I actually canceled my reflash half way through to measure it
Nov 10 19:09:53 <sivang> MohammadAG: how did you cancel it half way through and still had usable device afterwards?
Nov 10 19:10:48 <MohammadAG> you can't brick it
Nov 10 19:11:01 <MohammadAG> I canceled it with ^C of course
Nov 10 19:12:55 <sivang> MohammadAG: so only on power failure it gets bricked since fs remains inconsistent?
Nov 10 19:13:33 <MohammadAG> no, it never gets bricked
Nov 10 19:13:35 <andax> tobis87: i am root but there is no iwconfig though
Nov 10 19:13:48 <MohammadAG> as in, never
Nov 10 19:14:40 <sivang> MohammadAG: so how come many people got it bricked during reflash?
Nov 10 19:15:16 <MohammadAG> they don't, they just misuse the term bricked
Nov 10 19:15:23 * MohammadAG wonders why his laptop's CPU's getting raped
Nov 10 19:15:40 <MohammadAG> frets on fire, figures
Nov 10 19:20:18 <kerio> is frets on fire not shit nowadays?
Nov 10 19:20:41 <MohammadAG> kerio, it's k
Nov 10 19:25:53 <Aranel> Can someone check his device to see if there's a librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so or not?
Nov 10 19:25:57 <Aranel> librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 *
Nov 10 19:28:54 <MohammadAG> symlink
Nov 10 19:29:08 <MohammadAG> haven't checked, but it's probably the same as the libhildon-im ones
Nov 10 19:31:35 <tobis87> andax: It is part of wireless-tools: http://repository.maemo.org/pool/maemo5.0/free/w/wireless-tools/wireless-tools_30~pre7-1.3maemo+0m5_armel.deb
Nov 10 19:39:07 <sivang> lardman|home: that's okay, I Know mysefl how it is with work and travel
Nov 10 19:39:30 <sivang> lardman|home: it is just there are so many names here, who are involved with development, that I'd be nice to meet.
Nov 10 19:39:32 <javispedro> wow, according to firefox I've typed gmail.com on my address bar 1692 times.
Nov 10 19:40:29 <sivang> javispedro: interesting
Nov 10 19:42:38 * Arkenoi tried pigdin (for OTR plugin). OMFG it is ugliness itself.
Nov 10 19:50:34 <johnsq> Hi
Nov 10 19:51:14 <Aranel> MohammadAG: where was it?
Nov 10 19:51:20 <Aranel> MohammadAG: I mean, which directory?
Nov 10 19:52:14 <MohammadAG> /usr/lib
Nov 10 19:52:44 <Aranel> MohammadAG: /usr/lib/librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 ?
Nov 10 19:53:10 <andax> tobis87: it says the package from your link is not compatible and "dpkg -l | grep wireless" gives no result :/
Nov 10 19:54:42 <MohammadAG> Aranel, can't test, restoring apps
Nov 10 19:54:52 <Aranel> MohammadAG: ok, thanks ^^
Nov 10 19:59:44 <yacc> I wonder if there is a simple way to dim the display from the cmdline?
Nov 10 20:00:33 <yacc> Basically when I connect USB, I'd like to dim the display (but not lock it, because I need the X11 server to still display something that x11vnc can capture)?
Nov 10 20:01:40 <jacekowski> yes there is
Nov 10 20:01:55 <jacekowski> but i don't remember
Nov 10 20:04:25 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: no, hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527
Nov 10 20:04:25 <infobot> okay, DocScrutinizer
Nov 10 20:04:50 <nox-> moin
Nov 10 20:04:51 <javispedro> where do I find hostmode?
Nov 10 20:04:53 <Aranel> Looking for /usr/lib/librtcom-eventlogger-ui.so.0 - Can somebody kind enough upload it to somewhere? (It should be VERY small file)
Nov 10 20:05:09 <javispedro> where can I find hostmode?
Nov 10 20:05:14 <javispedro> bahh.
Nov 10 20:05:32 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: ??? o.O
Nov 10 20:05:39 <javispedro> where can i find hostmode?
Nov 10 20:05:44 <javispedro> ~where can i find hostmode?
Nov 10 20:05:44 <infobot> hmm... hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527
Nov 10 20:05:47 <javispedro> bah
Nov 10 20:06:00 <javispedro> sorry, testing infobot's features..
Nov 10 20:06:40 <javispedro> such a feature might haven been useful, to parse "how can I X" sentences if X is in the fact database
Nov 10 20:06:52 <javispedro> requiring the ~ character beforehand makes it useless...
Nov 10 20:07:36 <DocScrutinizer> I'd not like infobot to kick in on arbitrary conversations all the time
Nov 10 20:08:05 <javispedro> well, maybe not for the entire set of facts..
Nov 10 20:08:10 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: on a /query with infobot, you don't need the ~ key
Nov 10 20:08:23 <javispedro> yes, that's why I was testing here..
Nov 10 20:08:24 <javispedro> =)
Nov 10 20:08:26 <DocScrutinizer> in fact you MUST omit it
Nov 10 20:08:35 <javispedro> btw, meego tsg meeting
Nov 10 20:08:42 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Nov 10 20:08:43 <lardman|home> cu later chaps
Nov 10 20:08:46 <yacc> jacekowski, hint what to look for?
Nov 10 20:09:40 <DocScrutinizer> yacc: /etc/mce/mce.ini
Nov 10 20:10:36 <DocScrutinizer> I think you might set powersaving mode and timeouts to meet your needs
Nov 10 20:10:55 <DocScrutinizer> "automagically" :-D
Nov 10 20:11:08 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: yeah, but I don't want to do it everytime manually.
Nov 10 20:11:18 <jacekowski> yacc: it was something in /sys iirc
Nov 10 20:11:25 <jacekowski> yacc: or some dbus stuff
Nov 10 20:11:28 <jacekowski> or some mce stuff
Nov 10 20:11:52 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: and being plugged into USB is a give-away that the toy will be only accessed via VNC, ...
Nov 10 20:12:34 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: WLAN contains less info, because connecting via wlan0 I still can be using the tablet as a tablet outside my homeoffice and have home wlan
Nov 10 20:12:39 <babsher_> has anyone used smscon?
Nov 10 20:13:08 * luke-jr peers at ieatlint
Nov 10 20:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> yacc: there's a "don't lock screen while charging" and there's a "powersave mode" or sth similar which aiui dims but not locks screen
Nov 10 20:13:52 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if those two are mutually exclusive
Nov 10 20:13:54 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: The idea is to speed up charging on USB, ...
Nov 10 20:15:20 <DocScrutinizer> otoh I'd be surprised if this vnc thing would work with dim but not with lock
Nov 10 20:16:09 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: Well, dim is irrelevant to x11vnc, it's only interested in the RGB values of the pixels. Locking seems to blank the video buffer.
Nov 10 20:16:27 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Nov 10 20:17:17 <DocScrutinizer> there's for sure some way to manually force down brightness. Ask SpeedEvil
Nov 10 20:17:22 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: x11vnc could not care less how much light backlights the pixels ;)
Nov 10 20:17:26 <johnsq> yacc: try find /sys -iname "*backlight*" or xset or xbacklight
Nov 10 20:18:49 <andax> when where at that point, when xonnecting to charger i would like to try connect to home wlan and home bluetooth
Nov 10 20:19:04 <andax> automagically :)
Nov 10 20:19:05 <yacc> echo 1 >/sys/class/backlight/acx565akm/brightness makes the display rather dim :-P
Nov 10 20:19:48 <DocScrutinizer> yacc: you might automatize by calling the appropriate cmd (I guess some echo 5 >/sys/*/*/brightness) from dbus-scripting
Nov 10 20:20:12 <DocScrutinizer> andax: you too
Nov 10 20:20:29 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: Not really that much of an issue, as I'm starting x11vnc from the host via ssh, so one ssh command from the host does not change anything :)
Nov 10 20:21:00 <MohammadAG> yacc, the scale is from 0-255, so of course, 1 will indeed be dim
Nov 10 20:21:09 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: as long as I need MadDeveloper to setup the usb0 device so it does not make the kernel panic, I'm in full manual setup mode anyway.
Nov 10 20:22:13 <yacc> Anyway, when we are at it, is there a way to reboot the device the same way a kernel panic does (well, yes I could create a module that panics, but that seems drastic) => meaning no PIN question on startup?
Nov 10 20:22:48 <DocScrutinizer> yacc: afaik any change in ambient light will reset your brightness to default
Nov 10 20:23:38 <DocScrutinizer> yacc: there's two flavours of reboot cmds via dbus afaik
Nov 10 20:23:44 <DocScrutinizer> see wiki
Nov 10 20:24:07 <yacc> What's a cabc mode?
Nov 10 20:24:10 <yacc> *wonder*
Nov 10 20:24:13 <yacc> relating to the backlight?
Nov 10 20:24:15 <DocScrutinizer> LCD?
Nov 10 20:24:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, it modulates backlight and contrast to safe power
Nov 10 20:24:34 <jacekowski> yacc: there is way to reboot system
Nov 10 20:25:07 <jacekowski> echo b > /proc/sysrq-trigger
Nov 10 20:25:17 <jacekowski> as root
Nov 10 20:25:26 <DocScrutinizer> dunno what cabc means, but it could mean "content aware backlight change"
Nov 10 20:25:54 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: Fascinating, either my desktop LCD is to the dominating light source, or your theory does not workout, even after turning off the light in the office the display stays dim. :)
Nov 10 20:26:10 <DocScrutinizer> see diffs between brightness and brightness-real (or whatever it's called)
Nov 10 20:26:36 <DocScrutinizer> lol, switch it on again!
Nov 10 20:28:05 <DocScrutinizer> confirmed
Nov 10 20:28:59 <DocScrutinizer> with simple brightness applet at least, the screen reverts to original setting when exposing device (ALS actually) to a bright source of ambient light
Nov 10 20:29:25 <jacekowski> that can be probably worked around somehow
Nov 10 20:29:43 <jacekowski> simple gdb script could do the job
Nov 10 20:29:59 <DocScrutinizer> maybe by deinstalling simple brightness applet
Nov 10 20:30:29 <DocScrutinizer> or by nuking mce - it deserves getting nuked anyway
Nov 10 20:30:42 <jacekowski> i mean disabling ambient light sensor, you can for example attach to process that's reading sensor
Nov 10 20:30:57 <jacekowski> and then just close file responsible for it
Nov 10 20:30:58 <DocScrutinizer> that's mce I guess
Nov 10 20:31:02 <jacekowski> open another one
Nov 10 20:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Nov 10 20:31:05 <jacekowski> use dup2
Nov 10 20:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> evil hax0r
Nov 10 20:31:18 <jacekowski> to replace that fd with something else
Nov 10 20:31:22 <jacekowski> and detach
Nov 10 20:31:36 <jacekowski> mce will not even know what happened
Nov 10 20:31:44 * DocScrutinizer cackles
Nov 10 20:32:04 <RST38h> evilly?
Nov 10 20:32:17 <jacekowski> i used to do similiar trickery to get program from one terminal to another
Nov 10 20:32:29 <DocScrutinizer> yay
Nov 10 20:32:35 <ieatlint> luke-jr: hi
Nov 10 20:33:03 <ieatlint> not avoiding you, just really busy :P
Nov 10 20:35:06 <yacc> Ok, that leaves me with 3 open tickets for the n900 (external charger for the exchange BL-5J, keyboard fixes for x11vnc [a stopgap would be to be able to enter Fn-Sym via vnc] and how to manage to use the webbrowser via vnc) :)
Nov 10 20:35:16 <ieatlint> i'm at a weird nokia event where they're handing out n8s
Nov 10 20:36:01 <jacekowski> yacc: you can remap your keyboard on host
Nov 10 20:36:07 <jacekowski> yacc: or change map on n900
Nov 10 20:36:12 <jacekowski> yacc: but in both caes it's global change
Nov 10 20:36:21 <jacekowski> ieatlint: where?
Nov 10 20:36:25 <yacc> jacekowski, yeah, but I'm missing xmodmap on the n900.
Nov 10 20:36:33 <ieatlint> santa clara, california
Nov 10 20:36:48 <yacc> jacekowski, well, I wouldn't have any issues mapping the right KeySyms on the n900 to some non-existing keys :)
Nov 10 20:36:49 <jacekowski> yacc: it's in tools repo iirc
Nov 10 20:37:01 <yacc> jacekowski, so x11vnc can generate it.
Nov 10 20:37:21 <ieatlint> http://www.ics.com/learning/qtforn8/ has a list of places where they're doing it next
Nov 10 20:38:17 <yacc> jacekowski, google does not yield a fast answer, tools repo?
Nov 10 20:38:34 <yacc> jacekowski, cancel that.
Nov 10 20:38:46 <yacc> jacekowski, extras-devel has it as a seperate package.
Nov 10 20:39:02 <jacekowski> well, it's in tools repo as well
Nov 10 20:39:24 <jacekowski> but i suppose extras-devel version is probably newer
Nov 10 20:42:08 <yacc> Typing AltGr-w gives a D via x11vnc, fascinating, ...
Nov 10 20:42:54 <jacekowski> n900 has different keyboard
Nov 10 20:43:04 <jacekowski> and scancodes are not same as on pc keyboard
Nov 10 20:51:10 <javispedro> ah, wayland!
Nov 10 20:51:11 * javispedro shudders
Nov 10 20:51:23 <RST38h> hehe
Nov 10 20:51:41 <RST38h> RedHat people finally get their sweaty hands on the compositor? :)
Nov 10 20:52:19 <javispedro> someone on slashdot said something about "those Unix haters have now gotten into leading future distributions' design decisions" ;)
Nov 10 20:54:05 <yacc> Ok, I managed to mess up the X11 server on the n900 just once :)
Nov 10 20:54:42 <javispedro> wayland!
Nov 10 20:54:46 * javispedro shudders again
Nov 10 20:55:24 <andax> jacekowski: where do you find scancodes for the n900?
Nov 10 20:55:34 <RST38h> wayland, shmayland, give it a few years
Nov 10 20:55:50 <RST38h> I would bet 7:3 that wayland will quietly die
Nov 10 20:56:07 <javispedro> RST38h: my only hope here is that once distros start defaulting to it people start writing actual features to it until we end up with another useful mosnter like current Xorg.
Nov 10 20:56:09 <javispedro> rinse and repeat.
Nov 10 20:56:51 <RST38h> javispedro: and exactly the same performance
Nov 10 20:57:31 <javispedro> there's some stuff in the X11 protocol that could get with a rewrite.
Nov 10 20:57:36 <javispedro> well, there's QUITE some stuff.
Nov 10 20:58:12 <javispedro> but IMHO the general ideas are still quite useful.
Nov 10 20:58:59 <andax> yacc: i managed to remove the theme (originally by accident) and am surprised by the performance gain, on the contrary some apps have problems now
Nov 10 20:59:34 <yacc> andax, how did you do that and what problems?
Nov 10 21:01:23 <andax> yacc: now i have 24 windows open without messing x11 dramatically. problems like some missing buttons on windows, white text on white background (calendar app)
Nov 10 21:02:28 <andax> yacc: and photo app is crashing when i want change a photo name (i am not certain if it really has something to do with that)
Nov 10 21:03:07 <yacc> That would suggest that you can get better performance by using a minimal theme?
Nov 10 21:03:24 <andax> yacc: yes :)
Nov 10 21:04:01 <andax> i have some screenshots to upload....
Nov 10 21:04:11 <javispedro> http://www.iphonedownloadblog.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/iCar.jpeg
Nov 10 21:04:57 <RST38h> iPorn
Nov 10 21:08:51 <luke-jr> ieatlint: get me one? XD
Nov 10 21:09:16 <ieatlint> i pasted a link with cities where you can :P
Nov 10 21:09:40 <luke-jr> you can't just grab an extra? XD
Nov 10 21:10:23 <ieatlint> nope, they're protecting their stock
Nov 10 21:12:22 <luke-jr> ieatlint: do you get to keep it? own or lease?
Nov 10 21:12:27 <luke-jr> Miami is ~5 hrs from me
Nov 10 21:12:38 <ieatlint> keep
Nov 10 21:12:49 <ieatlint> but they're sneaky, you have to complete both days
Nov 10 21:12:54 <luke-jr> o
Nov 10 21:13:25 <ieatlint> yeah, they collected the damn phones at the end of yesterday
Nov 10 21:13:33 <luke-jr> looks like registration isn't open yet
Nov 10 21:13:59 <Noobmonk3y> lcuk: Kathy wants a knitting counter ;) - http://bit.ly/aeey12 hehe
Nov 10 21:14:07 <lcuk> i know Noobmonk3y
Nov 10 21:14:17 <luke-jr> wait, N8 is Symbian?
Nov 10 21:14:32 <sivang> luke-jr: always has been
Nov 10 21:14:35 <Noobmonk3y> ooo btw lcuk
Nov 10 21:14:42 <luke-jr> oh, it's not N900 + 1?
Nov 10 21:14:43 <Noobmonk3y> i figured out the qt mobility problem
Nov 10 21:14:58 * lcuk is in #meego atm
Nov 10 21:15:08 <ieatlint> yes, it's symbian
Nov 10 21:15:13 <ieatlint> n9 will be meego
Nov 10 21:15:36 <ieatlint> i'm learning all sorts of nasty horrific things about qt on mobile devices, and some symbian specific stuff
Nov 10 21:15:52 <ieatlint> like if you want a kinetic scrolling list... then too fucking bad
Nov 10 21:16:12 <luke-jr> …
Nov 10 21:16:42 <andax> yacc: i will upload more as soon as i can, there is problem with the host atm: http://my.opera.com/ändäx/albums/show.dml?id=5225982
Nov 10 21:17:05 <luke-jr> maybe I'll go just for the Qt interaction and stuff
Nov 10 21:17:06 <alterego> ieatlint: really? Kinetic scrolling has a class for that
Nov 10 21:17:12 <alterego> Or you could implement it yourself.
Nov 10 21:17:16 <luke-jr> not sure I care about a Symbian phone
Nov 10 21:17:27 <alterego> I played with an N8 yesterday.
Nov 10 21:17:44 <ieatlint> alterego: please introduce me :)
Nov 10 21:17:47 <alterego> It was alright, though I kept pressing the background behind dialogs instead of hitting the cancel button to my frustration.
Nov 10 21:17:57 <ieatlint> yes, it supports it using the non-qt toolkit methinks
Nov 10 21:18:09 <ieatlint> and maemo qt implements kinetic scrolling
Nov 10 21:18:41 <ieatlint> but an app i wrote for maemo that runs otherwise fine on this n8 is missing the kinetic scrolling, and much fun on google has not given me anything good
Nov 10 21:18:53 <alterego> Strange
Nov 10 21:20:44 <alterego> Strange, I guess it wasn't built into 4.6
Nov 10 21:20:54 <alterego> There's some code you can use though, as an example.
Nov 10 21:21:15 <alterego> I really hope they release 4.7 for the N8
Nov 10 21:21:28 <alterego> QML is something that really needs to be on all their devices ..
Nov 10 21:21:54 <ieatlint> yeah, there's a flickable demo app
Nov 10 21:22:07 <ieatlint> don't have the time to parse through 1000 lines of undocumented code right now
Nov 10 21:22:41 <sivang> ieatlint: that's not unknown, and there's work ongoing to make cross development easier, but if you could add your account of yoru porting experience, that'd be for great good :)
Nov 10 21:22:59 <sivang> ieatlint: http://wiki.meego.com/Qt_across_(Maemo-)MeeGo_%26_Symbian
Nov 10 21:23:18 <ieatlint> sivang: the softkeys stuff is also woefully documented... they don't make any of it at all clear
Nov 10 21:23:18 <sivang> ieatlint: so also thp's experience with regards to opengl and other stuff
Nov 10 21:36:12 <blizzow> Anyone here have experience setting the SIP client up with the aptela VOIP service?
Nov 10 21:43:17 <DocScrutinizer51> generally generic info on SIP provider's helppages, regarding setup of arbitrary softphones, should give all the info you need
Nov 10 22:07:37 <DocScrutinizer51> ~botsnack
Nov 10 22:07:38 <infobot> aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51
Nov 10 22:10:36 <blizzow> DocScrutinizer51: That's what I thought would work, but the n900 sip client default setup only asks for an address and password.  Is the address supposed to be the voip proxy?  Is my address supposed to be in some other format $phonenumber@proxy...?
Nov 10 22:16:10 <DocScrutinizer51> blizzow: my sipgate account works fine by $userid@sipgate.de
Nov 10 22:17:14 <DocScrutinizer51> usually userid is the phonenumber. Not for sipgate though, there it's the account number
Nov 10 22:18:01 <sivang> DocScrutinizer51: I had a friend back then that created me a sipgate account for no cost
Nov 10 22:18:05 <sivang> those were the times...
Nov 10 22:19:35 <blizzow> damn, I got it to login to my sip account, but now whenever I try and make a call, it just immediately disconnects.
Nov 10 22:19:44 <DocScrutinizer51> sipgate as well as several other providers still offer free accounts
Nov 10 22:20:02 <DocScrutinizer51> even with landline number for dial in
Nov 10 22:20:22 <blizzow> Ahhh, loose binding seems to have fixed it.
Nov 10 22:20:59 <sivang> DocScrutinizer51: I had a dialout number for free, not sure how
Nov 10 22:21:25 <sivang> DocScrutinizer51: but only tol landlines inside EU
Nov 10 22:22:32 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe he shared his flat rate account?
Nov 10 22:26:28 <sivang> DocScrutinizer51: I guess, yes, flat rates were mentioned , do they still have this?
Nov 10 22:26:37 <sivang> DocScrutinizer51: I'll sub them myself these days
Nov 10 22:27:32 <mtnman> hello all
Nov 10 22:27:54 <andax> o/
Nov 10 22:28:23 <mtnman> iis there anyone here with whom i had been discussing my wifi issue earlier?  i have solved it!
Nov 10 22:31:45 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: sure there's quite a number of flat rate plans available.
Nov 10 22:32:10 <DocScrutinizer> few of them with multiple landline numbers though
Nov 10 22:33:52 <DocScrutinizer> sivang: http://www.sipgate.de/user/tariffs.php
Nov 10 22:34:40 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: Well, it's hard (to prove that an account is used by multiple people) and easy (see, you use more than 2000 minutes a month, you abuser), ...
Nov 10 22:35:08 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: the moment somebody connects an Asterisk PBX instead of direct SIP client, ...
Nov 10 22:35:20 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 10 22:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> the problem are multiple inbound phone numbers
Nov 10 22:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise, how to demux the inbound calls to a particular user?
Nov 10 22:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> sure you *could* configure * as an automated PBX and ask caller to dial number of extension
Nov 10 22:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> kinda WTF though
Nov 10 22:38:29 <yacc> DocScrutinizer: well, you can have multiple accounts for incoming calls, and use another one for outgoing,...
Nov 10 22:39:00 <DocScrutinizer> will not work out properly with standard CLIR
Nov 10 22:39:10 <DocScrutinizer> or was that COLP
Nov 10 22:39:15 <DocScrutinizer> CLIP?
Nov 10 22:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> meh, signalling your number to callee
Nov 10 22:39:57 <yacc> yeah, so what, you use supressed numbers dialing out.
Nov 10 22:40:23 <DocScrutinizer> sipgate offered to override default number signalling with an arbitrary string in username. I think they cancelled this
Nov 10 22:40:34 <yacc> it's the same way like big PBXes use GSM modules to route some outgoing calls directly into the right network.
Nov 10 22:40:59 <DocScrutinizer> yuk
Nov 10 22:41:18 <DocScrutinizer> you must talk bout USA
Nov 10 22:41:21 <trumee> sipgate is expensive
Nov 10 22:41:30 * Arkenoi wonders why there is default IM account used for XMPP contact, but no default SIP accounts
Nov 10 22:42:07 <trumee> localphone offers the best rates for me. (betamax is cheaper but not  reliable)
Nov 10 22:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> sipgate is pretty cheap for *inbound*
Nov 10 22:42:57 <DocScrutinizer> incl voicebox
Nov 10 22:43:19 <DocScrutinizer> to a decent geographical landline number
Nov 10 22:43:20 <trumee> i have a couple of *free* inbound nubmbers
Nov 10 22:43:39 <DocScrutinizer> guess what I pay for sipgate :-P
Nov 10 22:44:25 <DocScrutinizer> pretty cheap == to be beter they need to pay *me*
Nov 10 22:44:44 <DocScrutinizer> for each inbound
Nov 10 22:45:12 <trumee> sipgate gives you  money for your calls?
Nov 10 22:45:12 <DocScrutinizer> which actually was what my GSM carrier did until recently
Nov 10 22:45:26 <DocScrutinizer> not sipgate, and not O2 anymore
Nov 10 22:46:03 <trumee> coms.com use to handout free inbound numbers. not sure if they do it now.
Nov 10 22:46:09 <DocScrutinizer> til ~2years ago O2 gave me 50ct for each hour inbound
Nov 10 22:46:33 <trumee> Nice.
Nov 10 22:47:11 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: sipgate does, always did, and probably will continue to do - free geaographical landline inbound, for every German resident
Nov 10 22:47:23 <DocScrutinizer> (or Austria, UK)
Nov 10 22:47:52 <trumee> orbtalk also used to give out free inbound numbers in UK
Nov 10 22:48:21 <trumee> sipgate.co.uk, gives a free inbound number in UK?
Nov 10 22:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> outbound is locked until you charge up your prepaid account
Nov 10 22:48:39 <DocScrutinizer> except of tollfree numbers
Nov 10 22:48:58 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: yep, afaik they do
Nov 10 22:49:45 <DocScrutinizer> for a long time you could get a UK number no matter who you are and where you live
Nov 10 22:49:46 <trumee> i had voiptalk.com before i knew about free inbounds. so i am stuck with them.
Nov 10 22:50:27 <trumee> sucks to give money to voiptalk.org since number cannot be ported.
Nov 10 22:50:29 <DocScrutinizer> I think they changed this some years ago, due to legislation in UK changed
Nov 10 22:51:17 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, you mean i can port my number from voiptalk.org to sipgate and make it a free inbound?
Nov 10 22:51:27 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.sipgate.co.uk/user/index.php
Nov 10 22:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> dunno about porting number
Nov 10 22:53:20 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, website doesnt mention free geographic number?
Nov 10 22:53:40 <DocScrutinizer> meh, what else?
Nov 10 22:54:05 <DocScrutinizer> https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/user/reg/uk/index.php
Nov 10 22:54:40 <DocScrutinizer>   Please select your future telephone number from our pre-selection list:
Nov 10 22:54:56 <trumee> cool
Nov 10 22:55:19 <trumee> N900 is behaving better with my * server now.
Nov 10 22:55:20 <DocScrutinizer> Important: Customers who sign up with sipgate for geographic phone numbers in the UK, must reside within the UK
Nov 10 22:56:05 <DocScrutinizer> this changed quite some time ago
Nov 10 22:56:07 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Nov 10 22:57:02 <trumee> maybe orbtalk or coms give out free inbounds as they used to do before.
Nov 10 22:57:39 <trumee> btw, does SIP on N900 support IM?
Nov 10 22:58:22 <trumee> * server doesnt but maybe freeswitch supports it.
Nov 10 22:59:07 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: https://secure.sipgate.co.uk/faq/index.php?do=displayArticle&article=13&id=225
Nov 10 23:00:28 <trumee> cheers
Nov 10 23:02:48 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, did you try the vox app in repos. It supports MWI
Nov 10 23:03:15 <DocScrutinizer> o.O :-D
Nov 10 23:04:09 <DocScrutinizer> I'd prefer twinklephone, but as things are twinklephone never will go qt4
Nov 10 23:04:14 <trumee> plus vox app lets you set your own server which is cool
Nov 10 23:04:26 <trumee> ++ for twinkle
Nov 10 23:04:58 <trumee> gentoo doesnt even carry it now since it depends on qt3
Nov 10 23:05:07 <DocScrutinizer> lol, sure ++ for twinkle, I'm twinkle's godparent
Nov 10 23:05:35 <pupnik> confused
Nov 10 23:05:44 <trumee> yeah, i used to follow group on yahoo.
Nov 10 23:05:52 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Nov 10 23:07:20 <trumee> hmm. vox app might be in ovi store
Nov 10 23:07:35 * DocScrutinizer burps
Nov 10 23:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> wtf is ovi?
Nov 10 23:08:42 <trumee> Ovi, The Nokia Account authentication system is currently down. Please try again later. We apologize for the inconvenience.
Nov 10 23:09:00 <trumee> crap.
Nov 10 23:09:01 <DocScrutinizer> \o/ 1k itt-thanks
Nov 10 23:12:46 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=VoX_Mobile_VoIP&fldAuto=1797&faq=37
Nov 10 23:20:19 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm
Nov 10 23:20:29 <DocScrutinizer> looks darn like the standard client
Nov 10 23:21:12 <DocScrutinizer> Robot101: does telepathy as of standard maemo support MWI?
Nov 10 23:22:13 <evilbulg1rian> hi, i cant seem to upgrade python2.5-minimal because pymaemo-optify cannot be installed but i see it as installed in dpkg -l
Nov 10 23:22:22 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, standard client + MWI
Nov 10 23:22:40 <DocScrutinizer> does the dialer support it, or has somebody (vox mobile) hacked it up?
Nov 10 23:22:55 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, no telepathy doesnt support MWI. there is a bug number for that.
Nov 10 23:23:11 <DocScrutinizer> meh, knew it
Nov 10 23:23:40 <trumee> what did you mean by dialer support?
Nov 10 23:24:11 <DocScrutinizer> prolly they implemented a local proxy sitting between telepathy and the internet, to filter and handle the MWI INFO msgs
Nov 10 23:24:40 <trumee> yeah. could be.
Nov 10 23:24:42 <DocScrutinizer> at least that's what I'd do
Nov 10 23:26:02 <DocScrutinizer> I'd use zimmerman's ZRTP implemetation for a template
Nov 10 23:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> then throw out ~85% of the crypto and RTP related stuff, and add 7 sourcecode lines to deal with "INFO mwi" telegrams :-P
Nov 10 23:45:59 * rzr 's n810 need to be reflashed http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31645
Nov 10 23:46:32 <jacekowski> ~flashing
Nov 10 23:46:32 <infobot> rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 10 23:47:15 <andax> &salesfeature=false
Nov 10 23:47:52 <Aranel> I pushed XMP package to Extras 4 days ago and It's still not imported, why?
Nov 10 23:48:06 <Aranel> Extras-Testing*
Nov 10 23:50:05 <jacekowski> Aranel: name of package?
Nov 10 23:50:12 <Aranel> jacekowski: XMP
Nov 10 23:50:18 <Aranel> http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/
Nov 10 23:50:38 <jacekowski> http://maemo.org/packages/view/XMP/
Nov 10 23:51:06 <jacekowski> i've heard that there was something wrong with promotion
Nov 10 23:51:12 <jacekowski> poke X-Fade
Nov 10 23:51:23 <Aranel> X-Fade:
Nov 10 23:52:27 <Aranel> ok then, gtg It's 2am here :) good night and thanks for help =)
Nov 10 23:52:42 <Aranel> I'm going to track this issue tomorrow.
Nov 10 23:54:19 <timeless_xchat> anyone here use jabber?
Nov 10 23:54:49 <jacekowski> i do
Nov 10 23:54:50 <ieatlint> does gtalk count for you?
Nov 10 23:54:50 * timeless_xchat is partway through a script
Nov 10 23:55:00 <jacekowski> i'm using real jabber
Nov 10 23:55:10 <jacekowski> on my own ejabberd server
Nov 10 23:55:34 <timeless_xchat> ieatlint: not today
Nov 10 23:55:42 <timeless_xchat> jacekowski : cool
Nov 10 23:56:05 <jacekowski> what do you need?
Nov 10 23:57:41 <timeless_xchat> run that perl script on your n900
Nov 10 23:57:50 <timeless_xchat> *not* as root
Nov 10 23:58:04 <timeless_xchat> it should generate 3 files in /tmp
Nov 10 23:58:18 <timeless_xchat> well, in theory it might generate more
Nov 10 23:58:29 <timeless_xchat> but i expect three
Nov 10 23:58:44 <timeless_xchat> the idea is that most jabbers *suck*
Nov 10 23:59:00 <timeless_xchat> and run both insecure and ssl w/ broken certs
Nov 11 00:00:00 <timeless_xchat> the goal is to retrieve the cert, generate a hosts line, update presence to use secure w/ hosts line
Nov 11 00:00:01 <jacekowski> yeah ok
Nov 11 00:00:10 <timeless_xchat> and two other bits
Nov 11 00:00:17 <jacekowski> so what is that script doing
Nov 11 00:00:25 <timeless_xchat> some bits would go into a postinst
Nov 11 00:00:39 <timeless_xchat> it finds your jabber host(s)
Nov 11 00:00:51 <timeless_xchat> and tries to connect using ssl
Nov 11 00:01:10 <timeless_xchat> oh, it doesn't currently handle the "no ssl server" case
Nov 11 00:01:14 <jacekowski> ah
Nov 11 00:01:25 * timeless_xchat goes to add that
Nov 11 00:02:47 <jacekowski> it failed on mine
Nov 11 00:03:26 <timeless_xchat> how?
Nov 11 00:03:44 <timeless_xchat> (failure is expected, but i need details)
Nov 11 00:03:49 <jacekowski> zz: ring/tel/ring
Nov 11 00:03:49 <jacekowski> zz: spirit/skype/jacekowski0
Nov 11 00:03:50 <jacekowski> zz: gabble/jabber/jacekowski_40jacekowski_2eorg0
Nov 11 00:03:50 <jacekowski> zz: sofiasip/sip/jacekowskikowski_40sip_2efreeconet_2epl0
Nov 11 00:03:54 <jacekowski> that's what i have on terminal
Nov 11 00:04:07 <jacekowski> Nokia-N900:~$ ls -la /tmp | grep jabb
Nov 11 00:04:07 <jacekowski> -rw-r--r--    1 user     users          20 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits
Nov 11 00:04:07 <jacekowski> -rw-r--r--    1 user     users           0 Nov 10 23:57 jabber-cert-bits.cer
Nov 11 00:05:03 <timeless_xchat> ok, so, either no ssl service
Nov 11 00:05:07 <jacekowski> nope
Nov 11 00:05:09 <timeless_xchat> probably
Nov 11 00:05:10 <jacekowski> i have ssl only server
Nov 11 00:05:19 <timeless_xchat> hrm
Nov 11 00:05:22 <jacekowski> starttls only
Nov 11 00:05:25 <jacekowski> with no legacy ssl
Nov 11 00:05:42 <timeless_xchat> what's in the non empty file?
Nov 11 00:05:56 <jacekowski> CONNECTED(00000003)
Nov 11 00:07:20 <jacekowski> i suppose it's lack of legacy ssl
Nov 11 00:07:57 <timeless_xchat> please excuse my ignorance?
Nov 11 00:07:59 <timeless_xchat> ?
Nov 11 00:08:20 <jacekowski> well, you can connect to port 5223 and connection is encrypted from moment you connect
Nov 11 00:08:24 <jacekowski> that's legacy ssl
Nov 11 00:08:31 <jacekowski> and there is option 2
Nov 11 00:08:54 <jacekowski> connect on 5222 and request start of encryption
Nov 11 00:09:19 <timeless_xchat> ok
Nov 11 00:09:28 <timeless_xchat> so i need a different command to sclient
Nov 11 00:09:50 <jacekowski> http://mail.jabber.org/pipermail/xmppwg/2002-October/000192.html
Nov 11 00:10:39 <timeless_xchat>  -starttls xmpp
Nov 11 00:10:39 <timeless_xchat> ?
Nov 11 00:11:29 <jacekowski> not sure if anything except full jabber client has support for starttls
Nov 11 00:11:54 <jacekowski> in jabber
Nov 11 00:12:08 <jacekowski> it's simpler with smtp for example
Nov 11 00:12:44 <jacekowski> jacekowski:~# nc jacekowski.org 25
Nov 11 00:12:44 <jacekowski> 220 jacekowski.org ESMTP Postfix
Nov 11 00:12:44 <jacekowski> STARTTLS
Nov 11 00:12:44 <jacekowski> 220 2.0.0 Ready to start TLS
Nov 11 00:12:50 <jacekowski> and now encrypted connection starts
Nov 11 00:13:03 <jacekowski> with jabber you have to ask nicely if server has starttls support
Nov 11 00:13:09 <jacekowski> and then request it
Nov 11 00:13:20 <jacekowski> anyways
Nov 11 00:13:23 <jacekowski> i'm going to sleep
Nov 11 00:13:24 <jacekowski> good nigh
Nov 11 00:13:33 <timeless_xchat> try adding what i wrote to the system line
Nov 11 00:13:44 <timeless_xchat> quickly, please :)
Nov 11 00:15:17 <timeless_xchat> oh well
Nov 11 00:15:26 <timeless_xchat> anyone else have jabber?
Nov 11 00:31:51 <timeless_xchat> jacekowski : ok, your server is now handled by my script, thanks
Nov 11 00:32:50 <timeless_xchat> sadly, it looks like handling multiple jabbers would almost certainly require 'nc'
Nov 11 00:36:10 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 11 00:36:18 <DocScrutinizer> socat FTW
Nov 11 00:36:25 <timeless_xchat> ?
Nov 11 00:37:24 * DocScrutinizer curses socat for being so versatile I can't even recal where to look in the manpage for the proper cmdline arguments
Nov 11 00:38:52 <timeless_xchat> fwiw, i need "listen 127.0.1.2:5001" + "forward_to 123.45.67.89"
Nov 11 00:38:55 <DocScrutinizer> when netcat is like notepad then socat is like a disk editor
Nov 11 00:40:21 <DocScrutinizer> probably a `alias nc socat $1:stdin $1:stdout' or sth like that would do
Nov 11 00:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_xchat: then it seems socat is for you
Nov 11 00:42:09 <DocScrutinizer> Manual page socat(1) line 2649/2686 (END)  o.O
Nov 11 00:42:36 <timeless_xchat> doc, i don't have time to deal w/ it
Nov 11 00:42:50 <timeless_xchat> if i gave you params, could you make it work?
Nov 11 00:42:56 <DocScrutinizer> lol, exactly what I'm thinking each single time
Nov 11 00:43:32 <timeless_xchat> if client disconnects, the port needs to survive
Nov 11 00:43:54 <timeless_xchat> and if host breaks, client connection needs to break
Nov 11 00:44:26 <DocScrutinizer> man socat, /socat TCP:host2:4443 TUN:192.168.255.1/24,up
Nov 11 00:45:00 <DocScrutinizer> there's a number of examples :-D
Nov 11 00:45:15 <timeless_xchat> n900s don't have man :)
Nov 11 00:45:27 <DocScrutinizer> socat -U TCP:target:9999,end-close TCP-L:8888,reuseaddr,fork
Nov 11 00:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> it has, apt-get install n900-man-db
Nov 11 00:45:44 <|njsf|> timeless_xchat mine has
Nov 11 00:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if socat comes with manpages though
Nov 11 00:46:02 <|njsf|> has DocScrutinizer said
Nov 11 00:47:17 <|njsf|> no socat here
Nov 11 00:47:37 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_xchat: took me only one week of whining and bitching, to make MohammadAG built mandb for me :-P
Nov 11 00:48:49 <alterego> Hah
Nov 11 00:48:56 <DocScrutinizer> though the eleventy time I moaned about it before nobody listened
Nov 11 00:50:49 <kaiex> hi. n900 with pr1.3 - xterm - german keyboard - I want to enter pipe - how? - in the past I could use blue-arrow+sym-strg key, but that seems to broken, no key-select-popup-menu
Nov 11 00:50:54 <DocScrutinizer> damn those socat cmdline examples look geeky
Nov 11 00:51:24 <timeless_xchat> kaiex: try blue EUR
Nov 11 00:51:58 <DocScrutinizer> err wut? blue-arrow+ctrl does not pop up vkbd?
Nov 11 00:52:25 <timeless_xchat> doc; not if you have e.g. hebrew keyboard installed
Nov 11 00:52:30 <kaiex> no popup
Nov 11 00:52:35 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Nov 11 00:52:47 <timeless_xchat> which repo(s) have socat?
Nov 11 00:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> errrr
Nov 11 00:53:03 <nox-> i had that once in fennec(?), vkbd would just non pop up...
Nov 11 00:53:03 <DocScrutinizer> lemme check for you
Nov 11 00:53:08 <kaiex> bluearrow + y/€ key does give me € not pipe
Nov 11 00:53:25 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Nov 11 00:53:29 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# apt-cache search socat
Nov 11 00:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> socat - multipurpose relay for bidirectional data transfer
Nov 11 00:54:07 <DocScrutinizer> so it's either in extras, -devel, -testing, or tools :-P
Nov 11 00:54:07 <timeless_xchat> kaiex : collapse hardware keyboard
Nov 11 00:54:12 <timeless_xchat> trigger onscreen
Nov 11 00:54:23 <timeless_xchat> doc: apt-cache policy/show?
Nov 11 00:55:10 <DocScrutinizer> Filename: pool/fremantle/free/s/socat/socat_1.6.0.1-maemo5_armel.deb
Nov 11 00:55:31 <DocScrutinizer> if that's what you asked for
Nov 11 00:56:04 <kaiex> how trigger onscreen? weird, popup works in communi irc client, not in xterm
Nov 11 00:56:33 <DocScrutinizer>   Candidate: 1.6.0.1-maemo5
Nov 11 00:56:35 <DocScrutinizer>   Version table:
Nov 11 00:56:36 <DocScrutinizer>      1.6.0.1-maemo5 0
Nov 11 00:56:38 <DocScrutinizer>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages
Nov 11 00:56:39 <DocScrutinizer>         500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages
Nov 11 00:57:53 <DocScrutinizer> I still feel like my catalog selection is a mess, or why T F are there two identical refs?
Nov 11 00:58:50 <MSJ> help plz
Nov 11 00:58:51 <kaiex> also, collapse and trigger popup keyboard works in irc client, broken in xterm
Nov 11 00:59:06 <MSJ> anybody my nokia n900 having problem booting
Nov 11 00:59:16 <DocScrutinizer> ~ask
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Nov 11 00:59:52 <ahynes1> I've just upgraded to power44 and can no longer boot successfully
Nov 11 01:00:05 <timeless_xchat> kaiex : tap screen of x terminal?
Nov 11 01:00:18 <kaiex> nothing happens
Nov 11 01:00:30 <ahynes1> I suspect it is because of I was running power40/multiboot/nitdroid
Nov 11 01:00:43 <MSJ> i installed hotspot on my nokia n900 now something called u-boot comes up and wouldt let it come into the maemo
Nov 11 01:01:18 <kaiex> ok thanks for your help i conclude my device or settings are messed up
Nov 11 01:01:21 <DocScrutinizer> ahynes1: yes, that's not really simple to update a kernel
Nov 11 01:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> on multiboot/whatever bootmanager
Nov 11 01:01:38 <ahynes1> MSJ hotspot depends on power-kernel  power-kernel was just updated to use uboot
Nov 11 01:01:54 <MSJ> oky how do i get my it m
Nov 11 01:02:00 <MSJ> back to normal
Nov 11 01:02:01 <ahynes1> the power-kernel upgrade appears to have presented problems to a bunch of people.
Nov 11 01:02:14 <MSJ> i can not reflash begause it dosent go to flash mode
Nov 11 01:02:18 <ahynes1> Most likely you will have to reflash your device.
Nov 11 01:02:31 <MSJ> its not possible i can not do anything
Nov 11 01:02:44 <MSJ> it dosent connect my com and the nokia phone
Nov 11 01:02:45 <MSJ> mand
Nov 11 01:02:46 <DocScrutinizer> uBoot when finding a system on uSD boots that system unconditionally afaik
Nov 11 01:03:06 <ahynes1> You can probably get it to reflash...  I'll give talk you through it in a sec
Nov 11 01:03:15 <alterego> You can tell it to boot maemo
Nov 11 01:03:19 <ahynes1> Doc - uBoot is interruptable.
Nov 11 01:03:23 <MSJ> i can only write stuff on it when i try presssing u
Nov 11 01:03:34 <MSJ> how
Nov 11 01:03:35 <alterego> Has an interactive console
Nov 11 01:03:41 <ahynes1> If you press a key during the first three seconds of the uboot sequence, it interrupts
Nov 11 01:04:12 <ahynes1> MSJ You should try that... Boot, hit any key quickly....
Nov 11 01:04:18 <ahynes1> Then, type   run noloboot
Nov 11 01:04:29 <ahynes1> That may get you back into your N900
Nov 11 01:05:10 <ahynes1> If that fails, power off the N900 (remove battery if necessary to do it)
Nov 11 01:05:12 <MSJ> image name kernal power still
Nov 11 01:05:41 <ahynes1> Start the flasher command on your host without the N900 on.
Nov 11 01:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> or type run tictactoe and enjoy uBoot as an alternative OS to friggin bloated maemo (just kidding)
Nov 11 01:05:50 <ahynes1> It should give you a 'waiting for USB type message)
Nov 11 01:06:06 <MSJ> whait a sec
Nov 11 01:06:07 <ahynes1> Then power on your N900...
Nov 11 01:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> NO, just plug in unpowered N900
Nov 11 01:06:37 <DocScrutinizer> it'll power up automatically
Nov 11 01:07:23 <MSJ> i can not shut i dont with presset the power botton
Nov 11 01:07:37 <ahynes1> MSJ Remove the battery.
Nov 11 01:07:44 <MSJ> done
Nov 11 01:08:05 <MSJ> what then
Nov 11 01:08:10 <ahynes1> Then, with flasher running on your host and the cable connected, put the battery back in
Nov 11 01:08:15 <ahynes1> It should reboot and flash
Nov 11 01:08:28 <DocScrutinizer> insert battery, DO NOT power up, start flasher on PC, plug in N900
Nov 11 01:08:54 <DocScrutinizer> or what ahynes1 said
Nov 11 01:09:34 <MSJ> i can flash on windows 7 32 bit right
Nov 11 01:09:35 <MSJ> ===
Nov 11 01:09:46 <DocScrutinizer> usually
Nov 11 01:09:59 <DocScrutinizer> though linux is much less trouble
Nov 11 01:10:08 <MSJ> i downlaoded the program flasher 3,5 to windows 7
Nov 11 01:10:15 <MSJ> i dont have linux
Nov 11 01:10:41 <DocScrutinizer> as windows tends to install drivers that occupy the USB port, when you connect N900 without flashing right away
Nov 11 01:11:28 <DocScrutinizer> linux also does that sometimes, but there you can simply rmmod the drivers that are getting in the way
Nov 11 01:11:54 <MSJ> the cmd window does nothing
Nov 11 01:12:08 <MSJ> i have flashed it on windows 7 before and it worked
Nov 11 01:12:13 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like a windows problem
Nov 11 01:12:14 <MSJ> so what the probmen???
Nov 11 01:12:36 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, I hardly know to spell windows
Nov 11 01:12:40 <MSJ> it can not be for fun that nokia but the flasher towindows 7
Nov 11 01:12:52 <ahynes1> MSJ: I moved to Linux because of those problems....
Nov 11 01:12:58 <ahynes1> However, there is another thing you may want to try.
Nov 11 01:13:05 <MSJ> oky
Nov 11 01:13:06 <MSJ> goo
Nov 11 01:13:07 <ahynes1> Are you running the flasher program in Admin mode?
Nov 11 01:13:17 <DocScrutinizer> madatory
Nov 11 01:13:29 <MSJ> whait
Nov 11 01:13:40 <MSJ> i try again in admin mode
Nov 11 01:13:49 <ahynes1> I remember working on a Windows Vista box that flasher would work fine in admin mode, but hang if not in admin mode
Nov 11 01:14:04 <DocScrutinizer> yes, mandatory
Nov 11 01:14:18 <MSJ> flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f
Nov 11 01:14:29 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's boldly mentioned in flashing page of wiki
Nov 11 01:14:51 <MSJ> http://mynokiablog.com/2010/01/03/how-to-hard-reset-nokia-n900/
Nov 11 01:15:02 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Nov 11 01:15:03 <infobot> somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 11 01:15:46 <DocScrutinizer> also 2010.19-1 is PR1.2 - is that what you want to do?
Nov 11 01:17:22 <MSJ> no sry
Nov 11 01:19:45 <MSJ> i can not
Nov 11 01:19:52 <MSJ> i going to be crazy
Nov 11 01:26:21 <DocScrutinizer> make sure your battery is charged (I know, a difficult task when it's not booting properly) - as NOLO bootloader won't accept 'u' or flashing when battery is low
Nov 11 01:27:19 <DocScrutinizer> make sure flasher on PC says "waiting... bla  blub whatever nagedinag" and NOT "device occupied" or any other error msg
Nov 11 01:28:41 <DocScrutinizer> then follow instruction as given above by ahynes1 - it must work. NOLO gets invoked before it even touches uBoot or anything else you might have messed up. So no way it could fail, except for your equipment (PC cable etc) or battery
Nov 11 01:32:56 <MSJ> i try again
Nov 11 01:36:00 <DocScrutinizer> awesome http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lTlmziroGZY (game on TV by N900)
Nov 11 01:36:27 <javispedro> that's the power of the sgx :)
Nov 11 01:36:35 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Nov 11 01:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> the magic of javispedro
Nov 11 01:37:58 <javispedro> :D
Nov 11 01:39:12 <DocScrutinizer> maemo community creating a quite ambivalent and heterogenous experience. One moment you think "what a bunch of smart geeks" and next minute you run for the pumpgun to shoot lemmings
Nov 11 01:39:47 <DocScrutinizer> well I guess that's real life
Nov 11 01:40:15 <javispedro> be careful not to fall down a bottomless pit while chasing lemmings =)
Nov 11 01:40:25 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Nov 11 01:41:21 <pupnik> that was some great low-res pixel work
Nov 11 01:45:24 <alterego> Heh, I'm laying in the darl, didn@t think my screen was dark enough: echo 5 to /sys/class/backlight/blah/brightness :)
Nov 11 01:45:27 <kaiex> my meego boot attempt stalls at "gen ssh rsa server key"
Nov 11 01:45:39 <SpeedEvil> alterego: IIRC 2 is the minimum - for me
Nov 11 01:45:39 <javispedro> note that step might take a lot
Nov 11 01:45:48 <SpeedEvil> alterego: I wish it went lower personally.
Nov 11 01:45:53 <javispedro> kaiex: wait two-three minutes before conceding defeat
Nov 11 01:45:59 <kaiex> more than 10 minutes and I gave up.
Nov 11 01:46:01 <SpeedEvil> alterego: I want it to be usable without disturbing dark adaption.
Nov 11 01:46:29 <alterego> 2 is good
Nov 11 01:46:30 <MSJ> dosent work
Nov 11 01:46:34 <MSJ> i am doomed
Nov 11 01:46:58 <alterego> Now, can I lower the brightness of the keypad using the leds interface?
Nov 11 01:47:15 <SpeedEvil> alterego: Annoyingly, it seems to be controlled inside the LCD - the PWM is not coming from the CPU, so making it go dimer is harder
Nov 11 01:47:43 <alterego> Hrm :/
Nov 11 01:47:44 <MSJ> no one knows how this u-boot works
Nov 11 01:47:55 <MSJ> is there no commands i can use to reset myu nokia n90
Nov 11 01:47:57 <MSJ> 0
Nov 11 01:48:12 <alterego> MSJ what do you mean reset?
Nov 11 01:48:27 <kaiex> msj have you read http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Install/Dual_Boot
Nov 11 01:48:28 <MSJ> just wanna have my phone back as it was
Nov 11 01:48:49 <ahynes1> MSJ: Your best bet is reflashing the kernel, then use option 0 for a stock boot
Nov 11 01:48:49 <kaiex> see end of page
Nov 11 01:48:55 <alterego> MSJ: what is wrong with it now?
Nov 11 01:49:53 <MSJ> nothing works man... it boots on something called u-boot and just stops
Nov 11 01:50:06 <MSJ> no meamo starting
Nov 11 01:50:14 <MSJ> nothing
Nov 11 01:50:50 <MSJ> lalix i dont want meego i want maemo
Nov 11 01:51:11 <ahynes1> MSJ: I think I've managed to recover my N900.
Nov 11 01:51:12 * alterego sighs
Nov 11 01:51:25 <ahynes1> I'm testing a few things now, and will write notes about how to rix things shortly
Nov 11 01:51:34 <MSJ> oky
Nov 11 01:51:49 <MSJ> recover your nokia from ???
Nov 11 01:51:51 <MSJ> u boot
Nov 11 01:51:52 <MSJ> ==
Nov 11 01:52:38 <ahynes1> My situation:  Had multiboot installed, had power kernel installed.
Nov 11 01:52:53 <ahynes1> Did an update today which updated power kernel.
Nov 11 01:53:02 <ahynes1> At this point my N900 stopped booting.
Nov 11 01:53:18 <ahynes1> Reflashed kernel only....
Nov 11 01:53:26 <ahynes1> rebooted using option 0 for stock reboot.
Nov 11 01:53:35 <ahynes1> uninstalled multiboot, reinstalled multiboot.
Nov 11 01:53:48 <ahynes1> (as well as the various multiboot kernel options)
Nov 11 01:53:55 <ahynes1> Now, it appears to be working okay.
Nov 11 01:54:01 <ahynes1> Just need to test a few more options.
Nov 11 01:55:15 <MSJ> óky
Nov 11 01:55:36 <MSJ> but i have porblem just flashing the thing
Nov 11 01:55:52 <MSJ> what system is your computer
Nov 11 01:56:01 <alterego> for i in $(ls -d /sys/class/leds/*:kb*); do echo 5 > $i/led-current; done
Nov 11 01:56:01 <ahynes1> That may simply be a windows 7 problem.
Nov 11 01:56:16 <alterego> think I might make a 'night-mode' script :)
Nov 11 01:56:32 <MSJ> oky what does it do
Nov 11 01:56:32 <MSJ> ===
Nov 11 01:56:33 <MSJ> ?==
Nov 11 01:56:46 <ahynes1> MSJ: Are you running your flasher command from a command prompt with administrative rights?
Nov 11 01:57:16 <MSJ> yes i right clik and run the cmd with admin mode
Nov 11 01:57:27 <MSJ> something wired happends now it says
Nov 11 01:58:24 <MSJ> flsher-3.5 - F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin -f
Nov 11 01:58:30 <MSJ> when i write  this
Nov 11 01:59:32 <MSJ> SW version in image: RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002
Nov 11 01:59:32 <MSJ> Image 'kernel', size 1705 kB
Nov 11 01:59:32 <MSJ>         Version 2.6.28-20103103+0m5
Nov 11 01:59:32 <MSJ> Image 'rootfs', size 185856 kB
Nov 11 01:59:32 <MSJ>         Version RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_002
Nov 11 01:59:32 <MSJ> FIASCO subimage data length mismatch
Nov 11 01:59:36 <MSJ> why is that
Nov 11 01:59:39 <MSJ> on the cmd
Nov 11 01:59:41 <nox-> i remember ppl here talking aber the linux flasher working better than the windows version
Nov 11 01:59:41 <MSJ> menu
Nov 11 02:00:20 <MSJ> yearh but now only have windows 7 on mine so could we just focus on that plz people...
Nov 11 02:01:05 <ahynes1> Are you sure your image file is okay  (Didn't get truncated in downloading, or anything like that?)
Nov 11 02:01:13 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: keyboard leds are controlled in LP5523
Nov 11 02:01:19 <ahynes1> Also, you might try doing a kernel only reflash...
Nov 11 02:01:23 <DocScrutinizer> any yes, you can controll these
Nov 11 02:01:23 <ahynes1> That is what worked for me
Nov 11 02:01:50 <ahynes1> flasher-3.5 -F <firmware-image> --flash-only=kernel -f -R
Nov 11 02:02:08 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I know, you can change their intensity with that one liner I just posted
Nov 11 02:02:19 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Nov 11 02:02:34 <DocScrutinizer> was reading backscroll the natural direction top down
Nov 11 02:02:41 <alterego> :)
Nov 11 02:03:00 <MSJ> i download the global one now and try with that
Nov 11 02:03:02 <MSJ> oky
Nov 11 02:03:29 <alterego> Just wrote a little "night-mode.sh" which makes the screen backlight the min 2 and the keypad 5, a lot nicer on the eyes :D
Nov 11 02:03:59 <timeless_xchat> jacekowski : your certificate expired a month ago
Nov 11 02:04:06 * timeless_xchat kicks cmcli
Nov 11 02:04:18 <timeless_xchat> no warning if certificate is expired
Nov 11 02:04:25 <timeless_xchat> just no import
Nov 11 02:04:33 <MSJ> i hate my self for instaling hotspot shit program
Nov 11 02:04:49 <MSJ> why do people not warning people about these programs
Nov 11 02:05:08 <alterego> MSJ: they do
Nov 11 02:05:24 <alterego> There's a disclaimer on all installs :P
Nov 11 02:05:39 <MSJ> so i am never there when it happends... i lever install a program that i dont know off.. from now on...
Nov 11 02:05:42 <alterego> Not to mention, you're installing from extras-devel ..
Nov 11 02:06:20 <MSJ> i thought i could always been flashed back to what it is
Nov 11 02:06:24 <MSJ> bot like this
Nov 11 02:07:51 <MSJ> i can still charnge the battery or what
Nov 11 02:08:00 <MSJ> when its on that boot thing
Nov 11 02:08:00 <MSJ> ???
Nov 11 02:08:09 <alterego> Do we have a "complete" gpio mapping?
Nov 11 02:08:18 <lolcat> Any more fun things I need for my maemo device?
Nov 11 02:09:23 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: not at all
Nov 11 02:09:27 <DocScrutinizer> afaik
Nov 11 02:10:03 <alterego> :/
Nov 11 02:10:26 <alterego> I guess we can get it all from the schematics
Nov 11 02:10:26 <DocScrutinizer> uBoot source might have a partial one
Nov 11 02:10:39 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, yes
Nov 11 02:11:10 <alterego> I'm only asking for my MeeGo work ;)
Nov 11 02:11:12 <chx> i wonder whether we could appeal to Nokia to releae more open source now that tehy abandoned the device. (I presume they did, wasnt PR1.3 the last?)
Nov 11 02:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: tbh I just don't know
Nov 11 02:11:20 <alterego> blasphemy in here :D
Nov 11 02:11:37 <DocScrutinizer> maybe there's a nice gpio.h somewhere in the maemo git
Nov 11 02:12:10 <alterego> chx: there are still a few killer issues that need fixing, I really hope there's at least a pr1.3.1 ;)
Nov 11 02:12:52 <sheepbat> I see we have a lolcat in here
Nov 11 02:14:10 <wmarone> o_O
Nov 11 02:14:24 <wmarone> why is my phone acting like all of my pictures are being taken rotated 90 degrees
Nov 11 02:14:27 * wmarone pokes it
Nov 11 02:15:37 <SpeedEvil> The accel can get wedged
Nov 11 02:15:44 <SpeedEvil> requiring a reboot to fix it
Nov 11 02:16:20 <wmarone> hmm, will try that
Nov 11 02:17:32 <alterego> "wedged" what does that mean exactly :P
Nov 11 02:19:24 <SpeedEvil> One or more axes gets stuck at an extreme.
Nov 11 02:19:53 <alterego> Physically?
Nov 11 02:22:20 <SpeedEvil> probably not.
Nov 11 02:22:40 <kaiex> meego boot attempt on n900 has now been stalling for 24 minutes... Still no change
Nov 11 02:22:50 * alterego wonders how long it'll take to decompress and dd the meego image to his microsd all on the N900
Nov 11 02:22:54 <SpeedEvil> try generating some entropy
Nov 11 02:22:57 <SpeedEvil> press buttons
Nov 11 02:23:01 <SpeedEvil> randomly for a bit
Nov 11 02:23:01 <kaiex> ... Ssh1 rsa host keygwn
Nov 11 02:23:09 <kaiex> Ok
Nov 11 02:23:18 <alterego> Weird, I've never had that issue
Nov 11 02:23:44 <alterego> I must be in a high entropy area
Nov 11 02:24:49 <SpeedEvil> That is a clear bug.
Nov 11 02:25:21 <SpeedEvil> If the touchscreen is actie
Nov 11 02:26:09 <alterego> Good evening MohammadAG51
Nov 11 02:26:54 <kaiex> dont know about touch screen. But pressed keys are shown on screen
Nov 11 02:27:08 <alterego> Anyone going to be at the conference next week?
Nov 11 02:27:34 <kaiex> No effect yet
Nov 11 02:27:38 <SpeedEvil> I mean - if the touchscreen is active - it can generate lots of entropy
Nov 11 02:28:00 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 11 02:28:01 <SpeedEvil> I'd mount the image from some ther OS, and drop a ssh key on it
Nov 11 02:28:13 <alterego> indeed
Nov 11 02:28:16 <kaiex> Ok
Nov 11 02:28:34 <alterego> Still, I've not had that issue when I've booted the image
Nov 11 02:30:29 <alterego> 851Mb still decompressing.
Nov 11 02:30:54 <alterego> Anyone know how big the image is? :)
Nov 11 02:31:16 <alterego> Can't be much more than a gig
Nov 11 02:31:30 <kaiex> uboot prompt should allow more time to type. Shuts down n900 if i type slowly
Nov 11 02:31:56 <kaiex> 1.9x gig
Nov 11 02:32:40 <alterego> kaiex: that's the N900s hardware watchdog
Nov 11 02:33:35 <alterego> It needs to be poll'd every 20 seconds or something or the device restarts, if you set a couple of flags in r&d mode on your n900 with the flasher you can disable the watchdog
Nov 11 02:33:42 <kaiex> then maybe the command should be shorter. Run nl
Nov 11 02:34:02 <alterego> fff
Nov 11 02:34:10 <alterego> lrn2type :P
Nov 11 02:34:40 <kaiex> Difficult in bed in the dark; keyboard is not lit
Nov 11 02:35:00 <kaiex> :)
Nov 11 02:35:12 <alterego> Heh
Nov 11 02:35:14 <alterego> Ah yes, that is a problem :D
Nov 11 02:41:29 <alterego> Now, how long will it take to write the image :D
Nov 11 02:43:17 <alterego> anyway, bed time, night folks
Nov 11 02:43:28 <pupnik> nite alterego
Nov 11 02:45:43 <kaiex> Nite
Nov 11 02:47:57 <Judibet> Hi all!
Nov 11 02:51:21 <pupnik> huhu
Nov 11 02:52:27 <nox-> you back on maemo now pupnik?
Nov 11 02:53:11 <pupnik> no but i still like these arm cpus and linux
Nov 11 02:53:33 <pupnik> except they broke my thinkpad touchscreen with latest updates
Nov 11 02:53:41 <pupnik> i could go back to an old sidux cd
Nov 11 02:54:05 <nox-> :(
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