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Nov 17 03:00:04 <b-man`> :D
Nov 17 03:06:00 <pupnik> odd
Nov 17 03:06:12 <pupnik> neer heard o him
Nov 17 03:47:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~factinfo Schoentoon
Nov 17 03:47:53 <infobot> schoentoon -- created by b-man` <~b-man@pool-70-106-216-16.chi.dsl-w.verizon.net> 49m 22s ago; it has been requested once, last by b-man`, 47m 58s ago.
Nov 17 03:48:40 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 17 03:49:50 <b-man`> ~factinfo b-man
Nov 17 03:49:50 <infobot> b-man -- created by MohammadAG <~MohammadA@Maemo/community/contributor/MohammadAG> at Sun Oct 31 19:04:55 2010 (16 days); it has been requested 4 times, last by b-man`, 48m 42s ago.
Nov 17 03:49:58 <b-man`> ;P
Nov 17 05:19:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~moo
Nov 17 05:19:15 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass
Nov 17 05:20:41 <TermanaDesire> ~bomb DocScrutinizer
Nov 17 05:20:42 * infobot drops a humongous exploding nuke on DocScrutinizer
Nov 17 05:21:13 * DocScrutinizer wonders if that's from mad max part 5...
Nov 17 05:21:57 <lucent> or uh, A Boy And His Dog
Nov 17 05:22:45 <DocScrutinizer> is this about our beloved George DoubleWho?
Nov 17 05:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> nah, that'd be "A Wino And His Dog"
Nov 17 05:24:13 * DocScrutinizer googles for "A Boy And His Dog"
Nov 17 05:24:40 <lucent> DocScrutinizer: it's a novel, but I'm referring to the movie adaptation
Nov 17 05:24:50 <lucent> cult classic
Nov 17 05:25:11 <DocScrutinizer> novella by Harlan Ellison. A boy communicates telepathically with his dog as they scavenge for food...
Nov 17 05:25:12 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Nov 17 05:25:42 <jaska> the movie version is kinda ghetto
Nov 17 06:03:57 <slonopotamus> so, how i remove all private data from n900?
Nov 17 06:04:16 <DocScrutinizer> flash
Nov 17 06:05:49 <slonopotamus> with rm -rf ~/MyDocs before that?
Nov 17 06:05:59 <DocScrutinizer> even then I'm not sure all free blocks in storage are actually erased. maybe first rm -rf ~
Nov 17 06:06:32 <DocScrutinizer> then create a file with garbage of maximum possible size on MyDocs
Nov 17 06:06:49 <DocScrutinizer> same for ~
Nov 17 06:06:55 <DocScrutinizer> then flash
Nov 17 06:07:25 <slonopotamus> well, i don't think repair service will try file recovery :)
Nov 17 06:08:21 <slonopotamus> just don't want them to have my cookies/contacts/etc
Nov 17 06:08:32 <DocScrutinizer> then a simple full flash is sufficient
Nov 17 06:08:42 <slonopotamus> okay
Nov 17 06:09:02 <DocScrutinizer> even a "reset to factory" and "delete private data" is enough I guess
Nov 17 06:09:09 <slonopotamus> microusb connector. again.
Nov 17 06:09:48 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer: found it (didn't expect settings app has menu
Nov 17 06:09:55 <slonopotamus> )
Nov 17 06:10:39 <slonopotamus> so, both microusb connectors died after ~6 months
Nov 17 06:12:59 <slonopotamus> anyone wants to buy my n900 after it gets mobo replaced again?
Nov 17 06:13:29 <slonopotamus> :P
Nov 17 06:16:55 <pronto> is it possibel to use the the n900 as a desktop webcam,  so i can use the 5mp cam with a desktop skype client
Nov 17 06:17:46 <lucent> pronto: I don't see how.
Nov 17 06:18:08 <lucent> you'd need to export the camera as a gadget device, etc. etc.
Nov 17 06:18:19 <pronto> aww
Nov 17 06:19:07 <lucent> I also don't see a way around this, say via network connection
Nov 17 06:21:31 <lucent> pronto: if you're into programming, you may want to have a look at www.ws4gl.org
Nov 17 06:22:07 <pronto> more of a scripter not a programmer unfortannly
Nov 17 06:22:44 <lucent> WS4GL needs some help getting video apps to work with (Linux) Skype
Nov 17 06:23:16 <lucent> the side-benefit might be the kind of plumbing needed to take a foreign video source (some gstreamer magic over the network) and feed it to Skype
Nov 17 06:23:22 <lucent> long way around though.
Nov 17 06:41:26 <DocScrutinizer51> skype? wtf is skype?
Nov 17 06:43:54 <DocScrutinizer51> you'd think with a few NTFS mounts and symlinks and maybe bindmounts you might be able to use N900 /dev/video on a remote linux box
Nov 17 06:46:06 <DocScrutinizer51> otoh dev might not be accessable via remote fs. but gstreamer pipes may be possible
Nov 17 06:52:16 <RST38h> ,pp all
Nov 17 06:52:43 <DocScrutinizer51> ?
Nov 17 07:09:07 <RobbieThe1st> Hi, all
Nov 17 07:10:54 <guest444> hi
Nov 17 07:11:54 <guest444> can every one help me to downloading files from d4x ?
Nov 17 07:12:11 <guest444> i get error when i start downloading
Nov 17 07:12:32 <RobbieThe1st> Um, what are you trying to download?
Nov 17 07:13:56 <guest444> when i try to download files . d4x pause downlading whid error could not get normal answer
Nov 17 07:14:57 <RobbieThe1st> Perhaps it's got a bug? I suggest installing wget instead. You can then simply type "wget http://myurl.com" in the terminal to download
Nov 17 07:18:37 <guest444> wget is download manager?
Nov 17 07:20:05 <lucent> wget is a command that fetches information
Nov 17 07:20:24 <lucent> it's one of the best
Nov 17 07:22:12 <RobbieThe1st> It works great for downloading single files
Nov 17 07:22:35 <guest444> ]wget http://myurl.com
Nov 17 07:22:54 <RobbieThe1st> Yea, like that.
Nov 17 07:23:07 <RobbieThe1st> But, erm, you'll probably have to install it from the repo first
Nov 17 07:24:33 <guest444> pffffff error :((
Nov 17 07:24:35 <guest444> wget http://myurl.com --2010-11-16 23:14:28--  http://myurl.com Resolving myurl.com... 208.87.32.68 Connecting to myurl.com 208.87.32.68|:80... failed: Connection timed out. Retrying. --2010-11-16 23:17:43--  (try: 2)  http://myurl.com/ Connecting to myurl.com|208.87.32.68|:80..
Nov 17 07:24:50 <RobbieThe1st> well, erm..
Nov 17 07:24:59 <RobbieThe1st> of cource
Nov 17 07:25:08 <RobbieThe1st> http://myurl.com isn't a real site probably
Nov 17 07:25:17 <RobbieThe1st> Find a -real- link.
Nov 17 07:25:29 <RobbieThe1st> say... wget http://talk.maemo.org/index.php
Nov 17 07:51:32 <RobbieThe1st> Necc?
Nov 17 07:55:07 <RobbieThe1st> ~ping
Nov 17 07:55:07 <infobot> ~pong
Nov 17 07:55:45 <Dieterbe> anyone ever had something like this? I tried sending an sms but my provider sms's me back saying i don't have enough credits on my prepaid card, but it keeps doing this. i get this same sms every 5-10 seconds.  could it be that the n900 continuously tries to resend the sms?
Nov 17 08:02:15 <tr4sk> Hi
Nov 17 09:21:57 <jacekowski> grrr
Nov 17 09:22:02 <jacekowski> MfE sux
Nov 17 09:22:19 <jacekowski> i don't have Inbox in modest
Nov 17 09:22:32 <RobbieThe1st> It's a Microsoft product. What do you expect?
Nov 17 09:22:39 <RobbieThe1st> (well, exchange is anyway)
Nov 17 09:23:21 <jacekowski> MfE is nokia product
Nov 17 09:23:39 <jacekowski> and i'm using it with latest zimbra
Nov 17 09:26:35 <timeless_mbp> jacekowski: you enabled logging?
Nov 17 09:27:05 <timeless_mbp> and what ver of zimbra?
Nov 17 09:27:36 <timeless_mbp> http://www.zimbra.com/forums/mobility/39766-n900-mfe-zimbra-6-0-6-a.html
Nov 17 09:29:23 <jacekowski> timeless_mbp: latest
Nov 17 09:29:37 <jacekowski> timeless_mbp: updates 4 days ago
Nov 17 09:30:06 <timeless_mbp> http://wiki.maemo.org/Mail_For_Exchange_(MfE)_Heartbeat_and_FAQ#How_can_I_turn_the_logging_ON_or_OFF.3F
Nov 17 09:30:39 <jacekowski> it syncs
Nov 17 09:30:48 <jacekowski> everything except inbox
Nov 17 09:36:19 <jacekowski> fixed
Nov 17 09:36:28 <jacekowski> i've deleted mfe account
Nov 17 09:36:37 <jacekowski> and then created it again
Nov 17 09:58:48 <lardman> morning
Nov 17 09:59:14 <lardman> anyone happen to know the UK Vodafone contract MMS settings? I thought I'd finally try to get fmms working as someone just sent me an MMS
Nov 17 10:01:04 <nidO> http://forum.vodafone.co.uk/topic/28518-mms-settings-for-iphone-on-vodafone-uk/
Nov 17 10:02:33 <crashanddie> There are so many things wrong with wikipedia
Nov 17 10:02:35 <crashanddie> http://img196.imageshack.us/img196/4647/20101117105423247x257sc.png
Nov 17 10:03:26 <crashanddie> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummingtonite
Nov 17 10:04:29 <RobbieThe1st> heh
Nov 17 10:06:40 <lardman> nidO: thanks. Curiously those are the settings I have, but it doesn't work, so perhaps I ought to ask if anyone else has got it working with a UK Vodafone contract?
Nov 17 10:08:02 <lardman> crashanddie: what's wrong with the latter?
Nov 17 10:08:17 <crashanddie> lardman, the name?
Nov 17 10:08:22 <lardman> it's real
Nov 17 10:08:22 <crashanddie> lardman, say it out loud
Nov 17 10:08:27 <lardman> yeah I know
Nov 17 10:08:50 <lardman> perhaps it sounds less dodgy with an SA accent or something
Nov 17 10:09:11 <lardman> oh no, found in America, oh well
Nov 17 10:09:34 <lardman> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cummington,_Massachusetts is the cause of the problem
Nov 17 10:13:45 <lardman> hmm, I thought that perhaps I should add the port number into the fmms settings HTTP Proxy field, but when I do the dialog locks up
Nov 17 10:13:54 <lardman> once I hit save that is
Nov 17 10:14:04 <lardman> frals: you about?
Nov 17 10:23:37 <pigeon> anyone using truecrypt on the n900?
Nov 17 10:25:17 <lardman> yay, it worked (I think)
Nov 17 10:25:43 <lardman> my fault for not realising there was a separate Port field off the bottom of the dialog
Nov 17 10:29:32 <lardman> bbiab
Nov 17 10:43:41 <MohammadAG> why isn't this thread closed? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65571
Nov 17 10:45:26 <GAN900> All the moderators are at the conference?
Nov 17 10:48:04 <MohammadAG> GAN900, so are you :P
Nov 17 10:57:35 <alterego> GAN900: donh't tell people that, they might get ideas of tactical nuclear warheads targetted at dublin to dispand what little remains of the maemo eco system.
Nov 17 10:58:07 * alterego imagines a post war maemo.org rpg game
Nov 17 10:58:23 <alterego> MohammadAG: where have you been the past few days? :P
Nov 17 10:58:24 <RobbieThe1st> MohammadAG: That topic should have been locked several days ago, and the OP banned for life. That guy is just about the most disrespectful frigging idiot I have ever seen.
Nov 17 10:58:54 <MohammadAG> alterego, holidays
Nov 17 10:59:11 <alterego> Ah cool
Nov 17 11:00:14 <alterego> Just read that thread, I hate it when people talk like that :(
Nov 17 11:03:25 <alterego> fMMS is one of the top ten apps imo, I don't have it installed but I've never used it, I know frals put a lot of work and effort into it though.
Nov 17 11:07:10 <timeless_mbp> hi qole
Nov 17 11:07:21 <qole> Hi all
Nov 17 11:07:33 <timeless_mbp> we're in President's Suite
Nov 17 11:07:42 <qole> waiting for our netbooks
Nov 17 11:07:50 <timeless_mbp> there is a belief that the netbooks will arrive "shortly"
Nov 17 11:08:03 <phellarv> qole: Pick one up for me too then :)
Nov 17 11:08:43 <RobbieThe1st> I'm curious - will your netbooks be preloaded with Meego or at least dev tools, or be simply stock netbooks?
Nov 17 11:08:53 <phellarv> RobbieThe1st: Meego
Nov 17 11:09:00 <qole> we are all worried that WE won't actually get one
Nov 17 11:09:02 <RobbieThe1st> Cool
Nov 17 11:09:37 * lardman looks at Layar
Nov 17 11:09:39 <RobbieThe1st> Well, I'm off. Cya all, and hopefully you'll get those netbooks!
Nov 17 11:09:42 <qole> I think they come with Windows but we aren't allowed to leave the room until we install MeeGo on them!
Nov 17 11:11:08 <lardman> hey qole, how's things?
Nov 17 11:11:22 <crashanddie> qole, good to see you
Nov 17 11:11:22 <qole> this BT keyboard is nice for IRC on the N900
Nov 17 11:12:20 <qole> crashanddie, You aren't at meegoconf, right?
Nov 17 11:12:35 <crashanddie> qole, nope
Nov 17 11:12:40 <qole> lardman, you are here...?
Nov 17 11:13:07 <lardman> no afraid not, otherwise I'd have collared you and fiferboy for cheese and cheesy queen songs already :)
Nov 17 11:15:03 <MohammadAG> hi qole
Nov 17 11:15:26 <crashanddie> qole, the only reason I wanted to come was to get to see people again, but I couldn't afford half a week off just for that
Nov 17 11:16:24 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, you could've at least given me your visa
Nov 17 11:16:33 <crashanddie> I don't have a visa you twat
Nov 17 11:16:44 <crashanddie> this is europe, we don't need visas to go visit other countries
Nov 17 11:16:45 <MohammadAG> passport, whatever
Nov 17 11:17:05 <MohammadAG> racists
Nov 17 11:17:07 <MohammadAG> :P
Nov 17 11:17:17 <crashanddie> dude, you're a terrorist
Nov 17 11:17:22 <lardman> my passport is currently with the Indian embassy
Nov 17 11:17:29 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, and proud
Nov 17 11:17:31 <crashanddie> lardman, lolwut?
Nov 17 11:17:45 <lardman> going to India week after next
Nov 17 11:17:57 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, if you ever blow yourself up somewhere, I'll spray your remains with pigblood. No virgins for yooooooouuuuuuuuuu
Nov 17 11:18:14 <crashanddie> lardman, whereabouts? How long?
Nov 17 11:18:24 <lardman> Delhi a week
Nov 17 11:18:32 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, you know, I wasn't gonna get those drumsets for fun, *plans terrorist bombing with drum set*
Nov 17 11:18:43 * MohammadAG drops drumset on crashanddie's house
Nov 17 11:21:49 * lardman looks to see how to install Android 2.2 on his wife's old Android phone so he can see what Layar is like
Nov 17 11:22:55 <MohammadAG> lardman, root it
Nov 17 11:22:59 <MohammadAG> then flash it
Nov 17 11:23:03 <MohammadAG> then root it again
Nov 17 11:23:11 <lardman> yeah will do, just trying to see if everything works
Nov 17 11:23:27 <MohammadAG> painfully
Nov 17 11:25:20 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: what makes you think MohammadAG is hoping for virgins *over there*? I'm sure he left over none
Nov 17 11:25:42 <Dassu> anybody else has had problems with wlan roaming in certain networks? My N900 doesnt automatically connect to my unis network but does automatically connect to my home wlan.
Nov 17 11:27:13 <lardman> Dassu: does it time out and use gprs instead?
Nov 17 11:27:33 <Dassu> nope, if I manually choose it, it will work
Nov 17 11:27:47 <lardman> oh, dunno then
Nov 17 11:27:48 <lardman> sorry
Nov 17 11:27:53 <Dassu> however Im moving a lot so it might time out while in pocket.
Nov 17 11:28:47 <Dassu> Im talking about eduroam so this should be familiar to students of other institues, as well
Nov 17 11:32:00 <alterego> Anyone expecting to go on a journey today?
Nov 17 11:32:07 <Dassu> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=3399 seems to be this one
Nov 17 11:32:09 <povbot> Bug 3399: Will not auto connect to WPA-Enterprise
Nov 17 11:32:18 <alterego> I want someone to run a geo location test for me, to make sure this test app is reporting correct speed.
Nov 17 11:40:53 <alterego> MohammadAG: you wanna test this?
Nov 17 11:44:04 <MohammadAG> alterego, going out soonish, send it over :)
Nov 17 11:44:12 <alterego> http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/mobility-location-test/
Nov 17 11:44:19 <alterego> I've got the source and .deb for N900 there
Nov 17 11:44:31 <alterego> It's just a QLabel that reports the speed in miles per hour
Nov 17 11:44:42 <alterego> Well, it should, but it's reporting really freaky results for me :(
Nov 17 11:45:45 <ShadowJK> try m/s first to see if it's in converting that you messed up?
Nov 17 11:45:56 <alterego> m/s is the raw value
Nov 17 11:46:04 <ShadowJK> yes
Nov 17 11:46:19 <alterego> 1 metre per second = 2.23693629 miles per hour
Nov 17 11:46:38 <alterego> It's not rocket science, (unless you can see a bug in my code) ;)
Nov 17 11:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> velocity is known to be massively off and random, for fist fix and early fixes
Nov 17 11:47:54 <alterego> These aren't early fixes.
Nov 17 11:47:56 <ShadowJK> and pretty random in weak signal like indoors or near hills or buildings
Nov 17 11:48:02 <alterego> This is consistent
Nov 17 11:48:20 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: there are, until proper meteo is downloaded
Nov 17 11:48:27 <alterego> Reporting I'm going 180 miles per hour on a bus going down a country road with low horizons :P
Nov 17 11:48:47 <alterego> This is with a good fix.
Nov 17 11:48:57 <ShadowJK> hm
Nov 17 11:49:31 <DocScrutinizer> what's reported precision?
Nov 17 11:49:46 <alterego> ~20m
Nov 17 11:50:25 <alterego> I'll be able to test again tomorrow when I head into town.
Nov 17 11:50:39 <alterego> But it's one annoying issue :)
Nov 17 11:50:51 <DocScrutinizer> eps    km/h    Speed accuracy  -  fool! :-D
Nov 17 11:51:11 <alterego> I can understand it not being dead on, but we're talking 3x what I'd expect in some cases ..
Nov 17 11:53:43 * ShadowJK can't read C++..
Nov 17 11:53:56 * zap can't read brainfuck
Nov 17 11:54:47 <zap> Anybody here who can fix package builder problems?
Nov 17 11:57:02 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: also, according to http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Connectivity_Components/Using_Location_API speed is km/h which is m/s * 3.6
Nov 17 11:57:27 <ShadowJK> man, why are they doing conversion
Nov 17 11:57:52 * ShadowJK remembers Python on symbian doing conversion in Location too
Nov 17 11:57:55 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: that's not the Qt Mobility API
Nov 17 11:58:06 * DocScrutinizer shrugs
Nov 17 11:58:12 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: this is what I'm getting at though, I think there's a bug in the Qt Mobility API and I want someone to confirm it ;)
Nov 17 11:58:30 <ShadowJK> pointless conversion to local time and back, but with an extra bug that makes time wrong whenever daylight savings changes
Nov 17 11:58:36 <DocScrutinizer> there's probably a bug in qt docs :-P
Nov 17 11:58:48 <ShadowJK> if they'd just passed through raw gps time from gps, it'd been fine and correct :-(
Nov 17 11:58:51 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: no, not at all. They're just probably not converting :P
Nov 17 11:58:57 * alterego looks at the source
Nov 17 11:59:30 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Nov 17 11:59:55 <alterego> It makes sense having metres a second,
Nov 17 12:00:15 <DocScrutinizer> yes, SI FTW
Nov 17 12:00:44 <ShadowJK> that's what NMEA output gives too
Nov 17 12:00:48 <DocScrutinizer> though old nautical miles / hourglass were fine
Nov 17 12:01:09 <lardman> hmm, well no need to update my wife's phone
Nov 17 12:01:17 <lardman> but that Layar app does look quite cool
Nov 17 12:01:34 <DocScrutinizer> or parsec / strontium90 halflife time
Nov 17 12:02:03 <alterego> NMEA speed is in knots
Nov 17 12:03:21 <DocScrutinizer> civil or marine seafare knots?
Nov 17 12:04:05 <alterego> Marine
Nov 17 12:04:06 <alterego> I believe
Nov 17 12:04:21 <alterego> It would be if anything, considering that was its' intended purpose ;)
Nov 17 12:04:24 <DocScrutinizer> you know marine gallow knot has 7 winds, civil has 13
Nov 17 12:05:21 <alterego> freakin' internet is sloooow.
Nov 17 12:05:27 <DocScrutinizer> they're hang-happy at marine
Nov 17 12:08:28 * DocScrutinizer curses all those "proprietary" units that kill rockets, annoy coders, make bridges go down, make every US citizen talk like a gashead
Nov 17 12:09:47 <DocScrutinizer> "hit them all with a 5/8" 3 feet water pipe"
Nov 17 12:09:49 <alterego> Looks like their liblocationwrapper devices reported speed by 3.6
Nov 17 12:09:56 <alterego> So they should already be doing the conversion.
Nov 17 12:10:54 <DocScrutinizer> can't you compare to liblocationtest?
Nov 17 12:11:05 <frals> lardman: pong
Nov 17 12:12:35 <lardman> frals: not to worry, I got fmms working :)
Nov 17 12:13:09 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: where's the source for that?
Nov 17 12:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> for WHAT?
Nov 17 12:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> seafare knots?
Nov 17 12:13:58 <alterego> Nevermind ..
Nov 17 12:14:08 <frals> lardman: great :)
Nov 17 12:16:03 * lardman retrieves his sim from that nasty android phone
Nov 17 12:16:15 <lardman> and forgets to stop the Meego boot process, doh!
Nov 17 12:16:47 * alterego looks for the source to liblocation
Nov 17 12:16:49 <alterego> let me guess ...
Nov 17 12:17:15 <alterego> It's closed isn't it ..
Nov 17 12:17:35 <lardman> yes
Nov 17 12:17:38 <lardman> afair
Nov 17 12:17:57 <alterego> Just wondering if the change isn't in there ...
Nov 17 12:18:03 <lardman> argh missed it again, the uboot timeout needs to be longer
Nov 17 12:18:31 <alterego> Hah
Nov 17 12:19:12 <RST38h> Moo to whoever I have not seen today
Nov 17 12:19:23 <RST38h> Heya lardman
Nov 17 12:19:36 <DocScrutinizer> lardman: there's no such thing like uBoot timeout aiui. It's watchdog timeout
Nov 17 12:20:20 <lardman> hi RST38h
Nov 17 12:20:30 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: he's talking about the auto boot timeout
Nov 17 12:20:40 * DocScrutinizer too
Nov 17 12:20:43 <alterego> The 4 seconds you have to press a key to enter the boot prompt
Nov 17 12:20:43 <lardman> docscrutinizer: is it? It looks like a standard grub timeout before it boots the MMC image
Nov 17 12:20:47 <alterego> So you can call run noloboot
Nov 17 12:20:54 <alterego> To get maemo
Nov 17 12:20:55 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Nov 17 12:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> that one
Nov 17 12:21:00 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Nov 17 12:21:04 <alterego> Yes, that one :P
Nov 17 12:22:10 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: uBoot-NIT needs to learn about env storage, err remember about it
Nov 17 12:22:38 <lardman> ah, back to Linuxy goodness :)
Nov 17 12:22:43 <alterego> Oh, they've screwed up their uboot?
Nov 17 12:22:46 <DocScrutinizer> I completely understand it's a PITA to write and read CAL in uBoot, but it seems the only proper way
Nov 17 12:23:02 <alterego> Why aren't they using the meego uboot?
Nov 17 12:23:03 <chem|st> re
Nov 17 12:23:12 <alterego> All that is taken care of ..
Nov 17 12:23:21 <chem|st> uboot tripple boot now?
Nov 17 12:23:22 <DocScrutinizer> why? does meego uBoot have env?
Nov 17 12:23:28 <alterego> I believe so
Nov 17 12:23:33 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Nov 17 12:23:48 <alterego> Oh well
Nov 17 12:24:08 <alterego> Ooo, full spread of 12 sats in view.
Nov 17 12:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> uBoot env (at least on Neo) is a dedicated partitions, much like CAL
Nov 17 12:24:28 <ShadowJK> who are "they"?
Nov 17 12:24:40 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
Nov 17 12:25:01 <DocScrutinizer> pluralis majestatais
Nov 17 12:25:40 <alterego> bbiam
Nov 17 12:29:03 <alterego> Okay, something must have broke in qt mobility or liblocation, because ground speed, like you suggested is being reported in kph (it would seem)
Nov 17 12:30:20 * alterego writes a bug report
Nov 17 12:30:43 <lardman> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/liblocation/LocationGPSDevice.html
Nov 17 12:30:47 <lardman> says that it will be in kph
Nov 17 12:30:56 <alterego> Not in qt mobility
Nov 17 12:31:05 <lardman> ah I see
Nov 17 12:31:11 <alterego> Qt mobility is supposed to report ms
Nov 17 12:31:12 <lardman> the wonders of QtMobility
Nov 17 12:31:17 <Turski> did you mean: km/h
Nov 17 12:31:31 <lardman> km/h = kph
Nov 17 12:31:35 <alterego> kph hm/h yes :P
Nov 17 12:32:03 <alterego> In the mobility source, they do a division by 3.6 though
Nov 17 12:32:20 <lardman> -> m/s?
Nov 17 12:32:24 <alterego> I might try a liblocation test
Nov 17 12:32:27 <alterego> lardman: yeah
Nov 17 12:33:10 <lardman> http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtmobility-1.0/qgeopositioninfo.html is all in metres
Nov 17 12:33:19 <lardman> or m/s, etc
Nov 17 12:33:40 <alterego> lardman: exactly, but it appears to be in kph on maemo for some reason
Nov 17 12:34:10 <lardman> oh I see, apologies I thought you were saying it should be in knots or something like that
Nov 17 12:34:17 <alterego> But like I said, looking at the source in git they're doing a conversion from liblocation to m/s
Nov 17 12:34:37 <alterego> No, we were talking about nmea being in knots.
Nov 17 12:34:55 * lardman goes back to just doing one thing at once :)
Nov 17 12:35:01 <alterego> :)
Nov 17 12:37:05 <alterego> Now, do I do a maemo platform bug report or a qt mobility bug report :)
Nov 17 12:37:16 <RST38h> Both =)
Nov 17 12:37:18 <alterego> I guess that depends on my lib location test.
Nov 17 12:39:33 <lardman> qt mobility I reckon
Nov 17 12:39:56 <alterego> Well, it depends, if liblocation is reporting kph then yes, if it's reporting m/s then no.
Nov 17 12:40:15 <lardman> hmm, I seem to remember a bug about something like that
Nov 17 12:42:04 <alterego> I'll do a search then
Nov 17 12:47:01 <alterego> can't seem to find anything.
Nov 17 12:51:37 <alterego> Awww, they killed of that sexy girl from sgu :(
Nov 17 12:59:52 <Gustavoferreira> hi everyone, i want to develop a program to maemo plotting some functions. i'm programming in C and using GTK+, i know that exist an GTKextra with functions to plot whatever we want. What i want to know is if the GTKextra is accessible for maemo? i guess it is, can someone confirm that? thank you.
Nov 17 13:00:11 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: keep your sticky fingers off our sane SI and related European units. I don't mind your mph, but kph is plain nonsense
Nov 17 13:05:47 <Gustavoferreira> anyone?
Nov 17 13:06:20 <ShadowJK> Gustavoferreira, libgtkextra-x11-2.0-1
Nov 17 13:06:25 <ShadowJK> in extras
Nov 17 13:06:48 <Gustavoferreira> thank you very much!
Nov 17 13:07:24 <ShadowJK> fuelpad seems to be the only user of it
Nov 17 13:07:58 <Gustavoferreira> yes i got that when you told me the lib, thank you
Nov 17 13:10:42 <alterego> gr8 my liblocation test doesn't work :/
Nov 17 13:11:36 <DocScrutinizer> *your*?
Nov 17 13:12:27 <alterego> Yes, mine ..
Nov 17 13:12:31 <alterego> Something wrong with that?!
Nov 17 13:13:08 <alterego> Oh, there's an actual, liblocation-test package :D
Nov 17 13:13:25 <alterego> "E: Handler silently failed" :/
Nov 17 13:13:51 <alterego> Oh, not connected to the interbuttz
Nov 17 13:13:57 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=G5vps6lizg0   << _epic_ cosplay: bioshock
Nov 17 13:14:43 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_non-free_armel/location-test-gui/0.93-1+0m5/
Nov 17 13:16:45 <pupnik_> Group Scheduling gets praise from Torvalds:  'I think this is firmly one of those "real improvement" patches. Good job. Group scheduling goes from "useful for some specific server loads" to "that's a killer feature"' - Linus Torvalds http://www.phoronix.com/scan.php?page=article&item=linux_2637_video&num=1
Nov 17 13:17:30 <FauxFaux> Quoting phonorix; gj.
Nov 17 13:17:56 <pupnik_> quoting torvalds: and your problem is?
Nov 17 13:19:43 <RST38h> quoting zoo keeper: another fish, dear?
Nov 17 13:20:04 <RST38h> Ok, requesting some help from the DBus adepts
Nov 17 13:20:19 <RST38h> Anyone knows how I can access messaging, address book, and email via DBus?
Nov 17 13:20:26 <RST38h> Is there a reference of some kind?
Nov 17 13:20:47 <DocScrutinizer> phone control
Nov 17 13:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> I guess
Nov 17 13:20:52 <RST38h> URL?
Nov 17 13:21:03 <DocScrutinizer> wiki.bla.blub
Nov 17 13:21:15 <DocScrutinizer> ask MohammadAG
Nov 17 13:21:24 <RST38h> aha, I see it
Nov 17 13:21:54 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Nov 17 13:22:54 * RST38h thinks he will have to cooperate with Mohammad on this one
Nov 17 13:26:12 <Reventon> hello
Nov 17 13:27:23 <Reventon> anyone ?
Nov 17 13:29:45 <pupnik_> hi
Nov 17 13:31:48 <Reventon> y's this place dead?
Nov 17 13:31:59 <Reventon> ....except u
Nov 17 13:32:54 <ShadowJK> I didn't know it was dead
Nov 17 13:33:01 <lardman> cheers pupnik_, interesting link
Nov 17 13:36:12 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: afaik there's no sane dbus access method for addrbook
Nov 17 13:37:09 <crashanddie> Reventon, you're dead
Nov 17 13:37:29 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, went though the deb file, and things are definitley in the wrong places :|
Nov 17 13:38:24 <NooBmonk3y> /usr/share/doc/maecount/    (is the only folder in usr/share/) and has the copyright file in it :|
Nov 17 13:45:44 <Reventon> lol...came back to life
Nov 17 13:46:45 <Reventon> is there an app to unlock the phone using the screen
Nov 17 13:47:18 <DocScrutinizer> lockscreen, I'd think it's maemo default
Nov 17 13:47:56 <pupnik_> http://www.google.com/trends?q=Scheduling&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all  global 'scheduling' decreases periodically around christmas
Nov 17 13:48:04 <Reventon> no..i dnt wish to use the pjysical buttons
Nov 17 13:48:38 <Reventon> keep usin 'em too often
Nov 17 13:50:07 <alterego> Just do what I do, press power button and swipe to unlock.
Nov 17 13:50:20 <Reventon> i knw tht...
Nov 17 13:50:25 <SpeedEvil> What's wrong with tapping the lock switch?
Nov 17 13:50:43 <alterego> I find the mechanical movement of using the lock switch more fiddly.
Nov 17 13:51:06 <Reventon> too frequent use might make them loose
Nov 17 13:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I really don't get it
Nov 17 13:51:39 <alterego> And it's in a kind of awkward position for me, so I tend to always use the power button to lock/unlock.
Nov 17 13:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> you want to unlock the screen by using the screen? that's rather nonsene
Nov 17 13:51:45 <alterego> double tap locks automagically.
Nov 17 13:52:47 <alterego> Your face is nonsense.
Nov 17 13:52:52 <alterego> But yes, I'm not sure what he wants either.
Nov 17 13:55:02 <ShadowJK> I guess he wants a magic gesture on ts to turn on screen and unlock
Nov 17 13:55:24 <alterego> This isn't a Harry Potter filem maaaan
Nov 17 13:55:38 * alterego reintegrates his logging framework.
Nov 17 13:55:45 <DocScrutinizer> won't work, as screen lock is meant to keep CPU/system from running all the time on bogus screen input
Nov 17 13:57:03 <SpeedEvil> If you disambiguate on no-prox, it could work OKish
Nov 17 13:57:56 <alterego> I say just deal with it :)
Nov 17 13:58:18 <ShadowJK> is proximity sensor activated all the time normally?
Nov 17 13:59:22 <alterego> I think it is when you read it.
Nov 17 14:00:16 <lardman> ShadowJK: you mean active all the time?
Nov 17 14:00:24 <lardman> in which case yes
Nov 17 14:00:42 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: yes
Nov 17 14:00:49 <lardman> while the screen is on at least, take a look at it through a video camera
Nov 17 14:02:09 <DocScrutinizer> I had a very hard time to se those ultrashort quite weak flashes
Nov 17 14:02:18 <DocScrutinizer> thru N900 video cam
Nov 17 14:02:28 <DocScrutinizer> see*
Nov 17 14:03:17 <RST38h> Doc: What about access to messaging and email?
Nov 17 14:03:35 <RST38h> Doc: Alternatively, can messaging/email be accessed as plain files?
Nov 17 14:03:52 <DocScrutinizer> messaging as in SMS sending is known to work. No idea bout the rest
Nov 17 14:04:44 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: there are apps that react on keywords of inbound SMS afaik, so this seems to work as well
Nov 17 14:05:11 <DocScrutinizer> don't ask me bout modest
Nov 17 14:05:34 <RST38h> Doc: SMS sending is done through DBus afaik
Nov 17 14:05:48 <DocScrutinizer> if it's not *completely* brainfart then it is using either maildir or file
Nov 17 14:06:07 <RST38h> A lot of data appears to be in some light SQL database
Nov 17 14:06:13 <RST38h> So, PHP should be able to query it
Nov 17 14:06:50 <DocScrutinizer> meh, mails in a SQL db. What an awkward idea
Nov 17 14:07:13 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, NFC
Nov 17 14:07:13 <RST38h> Just about any textual information in an SQL db is a bad idea, weirdly
Nov 17 14:07:44 <derf> As compared to 1000's of tiny files on a FAT filesystem?
Nov 17 14:07:56 <DocScrutinizer> FAT?
Nov 17 14:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> pff
Nov 17 14:08:06 <DocScrutinizer> even then
Nov 17 14:08:31 <derf> Or compared to a single large flat file, given a device that frequently hangs or reboots.
Nov 17 14:08:32 <RST38h> derf: those are going to be more reliable at the end
Nov 17 14:08:37 <derf> Also on a FAT filesystem.
Nov 17 14:08:42 <Reventon> well, getting back to the lock topic, it would have been good if we had a on screen pattern to press and unlock
Nov 17 14:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> if you got 1000's of mail files on your N900 managing them with modest then for sure you should rethink your habits
Nov 17 14:08:50 <RST38h> derf: SQL databases in N900 *are* flat files
Nov 17 14:08:56 <Reventon> ..instead of a simlpe swipe
Nov 17 14:08:59 <RST38h> derf: SQLite, you know
Nov 17 14:09:20 <derf> RST38h: Sure, but sqlite is design with slightly more attention paid to robustness than, say, mbox.
Nov 17 14:09:24 <derf> *designed
Nov 17 14:09:29 <RST38h> derf: Nah
Nov 17 14:09:47 <RST38h> derf: With multiple files, the file system itself takes care of robustness
Nov 17 14:09:56 <derf> Hahahahaha.
Nov 17 14:10:05 <Reventon> sorry for bein offtopic
Nov 17 14:10:10 <DocScrutinizer> Reventon: what are you talking about? Use "lock device" function, to be set up in settings
Nov 17 14:10:12 <RST38h> derf: With a single SQLite file, you entrust oyour data to some weird open source project that is known to corrupt data, often
Nov 17 14:10:18 <derf> "I only corrupted some of them!"
Nov 17 14:10:27 <RST38h> derf: (see Firefox SQLite databases)
Nov 17 14:10:41 <RST38h> derf: Well, corrupting *some* is better than trashing the whole file
Nov 17 14:10:51 <derf> Sure. I am not saying sqlite is ideal.
Nov 17 14:10:58 <derf> I'm just saying I understand the appeal.
Nov 17 14:11:03 <RST38h> Yea, sure
Nov 17 14:11:10 <RST38h> If it were reliable, then sure
Nov 17 14:11:40 <derf> And I only occasionally lose several GB of downloaded maps with Maemo Mapper.
Nov 17 14:11:53 <RST38h> derf: But, as one .RU prime minister said, "We tried making it better, but ended up with the usual"
Nov 17 14:11:55 <Reventon> @Doc: Im talkin abt the ability to unlock the screen using a certain swipe/press pattern and with the use of any physical key
Nov 17 14:11:55 <derf> (usually because the SD card fills up, or runs into the file size limit)
Nov 17 14:11:58 <DocScrutinizer> derf: so you understand what mistakes devels did, at best
Nov 17 14:12:26 <Reventon> *without
Nov 17 14:12:49 <Reventon> @Doc: Im talkin abt the ability to unlock the screen using a certain swipe/press pattern and without the use of any physical key
Nov 17 14:13:13 <derf> Anyway, from where I sit, none of the solutions are any good.
Nov 17 14:13:22 <derf> And I don't use Modest for a reason.
Nov 17 14:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> Reventon: [2010-11-17 14:49:02] <DocScrutinizer> won't work, as screen lock is meant to keep CPU/system from running all the time on bogus screen input
Nov 17 14:13:35 <dominik> hej, i'm trying to connect my n900 to a shared connection setup on an ubuntu machine. has anyone succeeded with that?
Nov 17 14:14:27 <Reventon> aaah....i get the point....thanks for tht info Doc
Nov 17 14:15:16 <Reventon> nice way to save bettery power
Nov 17 14:15:26 <Reventon> *battery
Nov 17 14:16:51 <DocScrutinizer> afaik not a single phone does that, no matter spyPhone, Nokia, Samsung, HTC, any other
Nov 17 14:17:19 <Reventon> nice bein here....cya laterz
Nov 17 14:17:34 <DocScrutinizer> on each you press a hw button to activate the device, then you may unlock via touchscreen
Nov 17 14:26:04 * lardman reboots to do some Linux work
Nov 17 14:35:56 <lardman> well that's good news, mBarcode now reads and adds MECARDs
Nov 17 14:36:19 <SpeedEvil> MECARD?
Nov 17 14:36:46 <SpeedEvil> Is that like a mandatory barcode on your forehead that you get tattooed on when you install meego?
Nov 17 14:36:46 <lardman> http://www.nttdocomo.co.jp/english/service/imode/make/content/barcode/function/application/addressbook/index.html
Nov 17 14:36:55 <lardman> :)
Nov 17 14:45:37 <lardman> has anyone got a linky to the DBus command to open a lat/lon in Ovi Maps?
Nov 17 14:47:28 <lardman> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=663590&postcount=5 fwiw
Nov 17 14:48:04 <alterego> Didn't even know you could do that ;)
Nov 17 14:48:07 <alterego> Cool.
Nov 17 14:48:31 <lardman> not sure how well it works, just adding it to mBarcode before I go for a concerted push to extras proper
Nov 17 14:48:40 <alterego> Sweet
Nov 17 14:49:04 <alterego> That might be useful for my app actually, because I'm not implementing mapping, it would be cool to have a "Open in Ovi Maps" feature.
Nov 17 14:50:37 <lardman> would be cool to be able to change the default map app and have a generic dbus call to "open in the default maps app" too
Nov 17 14:51:00 <lardman> any Nokians about know what the last parameter to com.nokia.Navigation.MapPlugin.ShowPlaceGeo means?
Nov 17 14:51:20 <SpeedEvil> lardman: hmm
Nov 17 14:51:38 <SpeedEvil> lardman: doesn't the maps widget on desktop open maps if you double-tap or something?
Nov 17 14:51:44 <SpeedEvil> dbus/...
Nov 17 14:51:58 <chem|st> lardman: lsiten to dbus while you tab a contacts address
Nov 17 14:52:09 <alterego> lardman: zoom level I'd guess
Nov 17 14:52:19 <lardman> that's what the op said in that thread, but apparently not
Nov 17 14:52:25 <alterego> Oh, hrm.
Nov 17 14:52:50 <alterego> Not sure then.
Nov 17 14:53:39 <chem|st> lardman: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.NokiaMaps --type=method_call /com/nokia/maps/MapPlugin com.nokia.Navigation.MapPlugin.ShowPlaceGeo double:<latitude> double:<longitude> uint32:5
Nov 17 14:54:05 <lardman> yeah, so what is the uint32 for?
Nov 17 14:54:19 <alterego> Have you tried changing it and seeing what happens ;)
Nov 17 14:54:24 <lardman> altitude, location uncertainty?
Nov 17 14:54:34 <lardman> alterego: no, will do in a bit
Nov 17 14:55:03 <alterego> That post is pretty old tbh :P
Nov 17 14:55:36 <lardman> sure
Nov 17 14:56:12 <pupnik_> lardman: are you already working with phonon?
Nov 17 14:56:16 <chem|st> alterego: yes but as long as it works...
Nov 17 14:56:39 <lardman> pupnik_: nope
Nov 17 14:56:53 <chem|st> lardman: dontknwo waht uint32 is |-o-|
Nov 17 14:57:19 <alterego> chem|st: well, that's not what I meant, I was just wondering if maybe that argument wasn't implemented in PR1.1
Nov 17 15:01:33 <alterego> Weird, it doesn't actually seem to work for me.
Nov 17 15:01:39 <alterego> Thoguh I can see the maps process in the background.
Nov 17 15:02:07 <chem|st> alterego: it wasn't it became available with 1.2
Nov 17 15:02:24 <alterego> chem|st: oh, still, can't get it to work for me :/
Nov 17 15:03:01 <chem|st> lardman: the unsinged int may be the value for what to do with it like routing or something
Nov 17 15:03:23 <lardman> perhaps, though I'd have thought that would be implemented by a different dbus call
Nov 17 15:06:59 <alterego> It's amazing what getting rid of a little bit of floating point math does for the processor usage of an application ^.^
Nov 17 15:08:44 <MohammadAG> alterego, apparently, 20kmph = 80 on your app
Nov 17 15:09:11 <MohammadAG> which unit was it again?
Nov 17 15:09:14 <alterego> MohammadAG: yeah, I've pinpointed the problem
Nov 17 15:09:20 <alterego> miles per hour
Nov 17 15:09:47 <lardman> hmm, do I need to cast QStringList elements to QString before I can convert them to something else?
Nov 17 15:09:56 <alterego> Qt Mobility is reporting kph though the docs say it should report m/s.
Nov 17 15:09:57 <MohammadAG> alterego, got a new version? :)
Nov 17 15:10:01 <MohammadAG> lol
Nov 17 15:10:26 <alterego> Yeah, so there's a but in Qt Mobility location on maemo in PR1.3
Nov 17 15:10:51 <alterego> This bug was in PR1.2 as well, I should havbe investigated it then and it would have been fixed in PR1.3 >:(
Nov 17 15:11:09 <chem|st> lardman: I thought for Qt is a special mobility thinx implemented?! Why not use that?
Nov 17 15:11:33 <lardman> hmm, yeah could do
Nov 17 15:12:04 <juk_> scim-ppbopomo where's source code?
Nov 17 15:12:05 <lardman> actually I can't see any way of opening a map
Nov 17 15:12:11 <lardman> in QtMobility
Nov 17 15:12:43 <alterego> There isn't.
Nov 17 15:16:07 <alterego> MohammadAG: you can have a play with my Columbus app in a bit.
Nov 17 15:16:10 <MohammadAG> alterego, Qt Mobility (libqtm-*) is not part of PR1.3
Nov 17 15:16:25 <alterego> Is it not?
Nov 17 15:16:31 <MohammadAG> in fact, all packages are separately upgradeable
Nov 17 15:16:38 <MohammadAG> (afaik)
Nov 17 15:16:39 <alterego> Interesting.
Nov 17 15:16:50 <alterego> I could have sworn PR1.3 came with mobility APIs
Nov 17 15:16:56 <alterego> Maybe I'm wrong :P
Nov 17 15:17:04 <MohammadAG> it did, but they're not dependent on the meta package
Nov 17 15:17:24 <alterego> Hrm
Nov 17 15:18:03 <MohammadAG> so, filing a bug might actually get it fixed
Nov 17 15:18:30 <alterego> MohammadAG: yeah, maybe ...
Nov 17 15:21:13 <juk_> what's average rate of bloby soft in maemo repos
Nov 17 15:21:28 <alterego> Well formed question.
Nov 17 15:23:14 <MohammadAG> ~openness
Nov 17 15:23:14 <infobot> hmm... openness is http://mer-project.blogspot.com/2010/02/mapping-openness-of-maemo-50-pr11-and.html
Nov 17 15:26:26 <juk_> i better ask from firstfan
Nov 17 15:29:00 <lardman> I'm getting a curious error message: symbol lookup error: undefined symbol: _ZN6QrSink7openGeoE7QString
Nov 17 15:29:05 <lardman> any ideas?
Nov 17 15:29:25 <lardman> I'd normally think that means some version problem, but other code in the plugin runs
Nov 17 15:29:35 <flux> lardman, c++filt is your friend, it means QrSink::openGeo(QString) is missing
Nov 17 15:30:00 <flux> (if this helps at all)
Nov 17 15:30:19 <juk_> pm'ed him
Nov 17 15:30:37 <lardman> yeah, I copied the header declaration in and didn't bother to stick the class name on the front, doh!
Nov 17 15:31:03 <lardman> thanks
Nov 17 15:31:53 <juk_> oh it's lgpled, damnit
Nov 17 15:32:08 <chem|st> lardman: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.Navigation.NokiaMapsProvider --type=method_call /Provider com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.LocationToAddresses double:<latitude> double:<longitude> boolean:false returns the address from it ...
Nov 17 15:33:18 <lardman> that might be quite useful
Nov 17 15:33:27 <lardman> does it start the maps app up?
Nov 17 15:33:46 <lardman> the slow ui bit at least?
Nov 17 15:33:49 <chem|st> lardman: no it jsut returns via dbus the address
Nov 17 15:34:29 <chem|st> how to start the program I did not get along yet still reverse engineering the damn dbus output for known address
Nov 17 15:35:57 <lardman> well that's good as the maps ui takes forever to startup, something to be avoided if possible :)
Nov 17 15:37:38 <chem|st> lardman: ha I got it
Nov 17 15:37:43 <chem|st> !!!1111
Nov 17 15:37:50 <lardman> cool
Nov 17 15:38:37 <chem|st> lardman: dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.Navigation.NokiaMapsProvider --type=method_call /Provider com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.ShowLocationGeo double:<latitude> double:<longitude> uint32:0
Nov 17 15:38:43 <chem|st> lardman: try that!
Nov 17 15:39:15 <lardman> ok will do
Nov 17 15:42:36 <alterego> Still doesn't work for me ..
Nov 17 15:42:53 <chem|st> alterego: paste your line pls
Nov 17 15:42:59 <chem|st> alterego: pr1.3_
Nov 17 15:43:00 <chem|st> ?
Nov 17 15:43:36 <chem|st> oh sorry
Nov 17 15:43:49 <chem|st> dbus-send --dest=com.nokia.Navigation.NokiaMapsProvider --type=method_call /Provider com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.ShowPlaceGeo double:<latitude> double:<longitude> uint32:0
Nov 17 15:44:41 <chem|st> lardman: ^^ Place!=Location
Nov 17 15:45:08 <lardman> not me gov'n'r
Nov 17 15:45:17 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: you're tmo mod?
Nov 17 15:45:24 <alterego> Still nothing.
Nov 17 15:45:28 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: si
Nov 17 15:45:30 <lardman> though I did nearly make that mistake
Nov 17 15:45:40 <alterego> It starts the process, I can see it with ps
Nov 17 15:45:46 <alterego> But nothing shows on the screen.
Nov 17 15:46:10 <alterego> Anyhow, got more interesting things to be doing at the moment ^.^
Nov 17 15:46:13 <alterego> brb
Nov 17 15:50:55 <lardman> hmm, yeah didn't open it for me either I'm afraid
Nov 17 15:53:06 <chem|st> lardman: with the second line? the first got ShowLocationGeo and that wont work
Nov 17 15:53:48 <lardman> ah it should be com.nokia.Navigation.MapProvider.ShowPlaceGeo then?
Nov 17 15:53:58 <chem|st> yes
Nov 17 15:54:27 <chem|st> the doubles are std floatP
Nov 17 15:54:41 <chem|st> so 55.1234 and 1.12432
Nov 17 15:54:43 <lardman> I'm calling it from C++ anyway
Nov 17 15:54:59 <chem|st> sure
Nov 17 15:56:45 <lardman> looking good, maps is opening
Nov 17 15:57:04 <lardman> perfect, good stuff
Nov 17 15:57:07 <alterego> Looks like I might have to do some rather nasty hacks if I want my animations to be smooth and not take 80% CPU
Nov 17 15:58:25 <chem|st> for doing it with an address I got no time now but it is AddressToLocations with an array of strings dbus is returning AddressToLocationsReply with an array struct with the two doubles
Nov 17 15:59:15 <lardman> that could be useful :)
Nov 17 15:59:45 <alterego> The new mobility APIs have mapping and navigation capabilities
Nov 17 15:59:50 <alterego> Really cool, hope we get them soon.
Nov 17 15:59:58 <chem|st> lardman: it is 15 string values
Nov 17 16:00:33 <chem|st> 5th is "City" and 9th is "Country" afair
Nov 17 16:04:25 <chem|st> lardman: just open a contact with all fields for adress filled and watch dbus for the fields
Nov 17 16:07:14 <lardman> chem|st: cool will do, but I don't need that atm so will put it on the backburner
Nov 17 16:07:29 <alterego> MohammadAG: ping
Nov 17 16:08:19 <chem|st> lardman: sure jsut to let you know there is api
Nov 17 16:08:42 <lardman> thanks :)
Nov 17 16:09:25 <MohammadAG> alterego, pong
Nov 17 16:10:28 <alterego> MohammadAG: fancy playing with Columbus?
Nov 17 16:10:57 <MohammadAG> you know my answer don't you :P
Nov 17 16:13:09 <alterego> PMd
Nov 17 16:13:43 <alterego> Let me know what you think, it's missing the other two main views, logging and bluetooth/network server at the moment as Ive not integrated them back into my code.
Nov 17 16:13:52 <alterego> Just want your impression on the UX/UI :)
Nov 17 16:17:45 <MohammadAG> alterego, lovely, I love the how the two icons at the top drop
Nov 17 16:18:30 <alterego> MohammadAG: the bounce? Yeah, added that yesterday because I thought the normal animation was too boring ^.^
Nov 17 16:18:54 * MohammadAG loves it xD
Nov 17 16:19:29 <alterego> The line graph is accuracy
Nov 17 16:19:38 <alterego> And the bottom bar chart is obviously signal strength.
Nov 17 16:20:15 <MohammadAG> i'll test it when i'm out, gps doesn't work properly indoors :P
Nov 17 16:20:30 <alterego> This is why I work near a window :x
Nov 17 16:20:45 <MohammadAG> i'm on the balcony, but still
Nov 17 16:21:07 <alterego> I've just got to redo the heading/speed indicators then I'm done with that view and can reintegrate my track log/navigation view.
Nov 17 16:21:07 <MohammadAG> you need to be moving in a direction to get the "compass" working properly
Nov 17 16:21:13 <alterego> Indeed.
Nov 17 16:21:16 <pupnik_> i /etc/hosted most of google and my entire browsing experience just got significantly faster
Nov 17 16:21:33 <alterego> pupnik_: o/
Nov 17 16:21:34 <MohammadAG> you what?
Nov 17 16:23:30 <alterego> Have you tried the swipe between views?
Nov 17 16:23:38 <alterego> (even though the other two are just blank) ^.^
Nov 17 16:23:52 <alterego> It's the reason I developed that widget ;)
Nov 17 16:26:55 <MohammadAG> alterego, yep :)
Nov 17 16:27:36 * MohammadAG ponders making his app fullscreen and making a fake top bar
Nov 17 16:27:36 <pupnik_> MohammadAG: seems that disabling google analytics halves my browsing lags
Nov 17 16:27:59 <pupnik_> at least some things are popping up that always lagged before
Nov 17 16:28:03 <alterego> pupnik_: that's believable.
Nov 17 16:28:10 <alterego> Post your mods on the wiki :)
Nov 17 16:28:42 <alterego> MohammadAG: that's how you write apps in MeeGo ..
Nov 17 16:28:49 <MohammadAG> alterego, how did you get the options dialog to rearrange nicely?
Nov 17 16:29:15 <MohammadAG> compare it to fapman's dialog
Nov 17 16:29:21 <pupnik_> this is on my laptop alterego - http://pastie.org/1305878
Nov 17 16:29:24 * alterego doesn't have fapman installed.
Nov 17 16:29:36 <MohammadAG> install it then :P
Nov 17 16:29:46 <alterego> Holy cow,
Nov 17 16:29:57 <alterego> vodafone content control now blocking pastie.org O_O
Nov 17 16:30:11 <alterego> Or has their traffic filter picked up a keyword, lke "hack" or something,.
Nov 17 16:30:26 * alterego enables proxy
Nov 17 16:30:40 <pupnik_> http://pastebin.ca/1994680
Nov 17 16:30:54 <alterego> Got it now ;)
Nov 17 16:31:07 <alterego> Neat, so you redirect everything you hate to localhost
Nov 17 16:31:17 <alterego> Isn't that a bit sadomasochistic?
Nov 17 16:31:26 <pupnik_> it resolves quickest
Nov 17 16:31:46 <pupnik_> let me know if you see a difference
Nov 17 16:32:10 <alterego> MohammadAG: how do you mean anyway? rearrange? switching from landscape->portrait?
Nov 17 16:32:34 <pupnik_> really i need my firewall or something to cache all dns requests and rank by frequency, and give me a tool to block any with a simple click or text message
Nov 17 16:33:07 <pupnik_> so whatever new domain the ad-services come up with, it will be grabbed frequently and bubble up the list
Nov 17 16:33:17 <alterego> Cool
Nov 17 16:33:39 <derf> 0.0.0.0 is also a great IP.
Nov 17 16:34:34 <alterego> MohammadAG: oh, I see, that's pretty awful ;)
Nov 17 16:35:47 <alterego> My Options dialog isn't as complex.
Nov 17 16:36:14 <alterego> I'd imagine it's because there are widgets in there that don't resize to < 400px very well.
Nov 17 16:38:15 <slonopotamus> hello from n800. meh.
Nov 17 16:38:25 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 16:39:48 <slonopotamus> alterego, crappy n900 usb connector broke. again.
Nov 17 16:40:00 <alterego> Cripes
Nov 17 16:40:12 <alterego> How long have you had the device for it to break twice?
Nov 17 16:41:02 <slonopotamus> 1 year
Nov 17 16:41:34 <alterego> :/
Nov 17 16:41:43 <alterego> I've not had a problem with mine, had it since late January.
Nov 17 16:42:34 <slonopotamus> and afaik next breakage will happen after warranty ends
Nov 17 16:42:44 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 16:43:06 <alterego> Well, why don't you take the device apart this time and super glue it in place ;)
Nov 17 16:43:09 <slonopotamus> so i either need epoxy or sell it away
Nov 17 16:43:16 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 17 16:44:57 * slonopotamus tries to remember whether warranty is 1 or 2 years
Nov 17 16:45:10 <alterego> Are you in Europe?
Nov 17 16:45:49 <slonopotamus> russia. not sure that counts as yes or no :)
Nov 17 16:45:56 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 16:46:10 <kerio> hmm, if i don't have a receipt will i get free assistance from nokia now?
Nov 17 16:46:17 <kerio> when was the n900 officially released?
Nov 17 16:46:23 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (making a fake top bar) dare!
Nov 17 16:46:47 <slonopotamus> kerio, ~ autumn 2009
Nov 17 16:47:03 <slonopotamus> kerio, maybe late summer
Nov 17 16:50:41 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: actually November iirc
Nov 17 16:51:08 <slonopotamus> oh great. google reader says it doesn't support diablo microb
Nov 17 16:51:17 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Nov 17 16:52:38 * slonopotamus tried replacing n800 screen. repair service said 'oh noes, we can't order screens for it from nokia'
Nov 17 16:53:08 <Arkenoi> wtf?
Nov 17 16:53:36 <Arkenoi> you can order new screen for nokia 3210, it is ten years old
Nov 17 16:53:46 <Arkenoi> and cannot order screen for n800?
Nov 17 16:54:01 <slonopotamus> Arkenoi, repair service on sretenka, 9.
Nov 17 16:54:09 <DocScrutinizer> depends on how many devices are out there
Nov 17 16:54:46 <slonopotamus> and wrt n900 say said 'wut? again?'
Nov 17 16:55:00 <slonopotamus> s/say/they/
Nov 17 16:55:01 <infobot> slonopotamus meant: and wrt n900 they said 'wut? again?'
Nov 17 16:55:34 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: answer "That's what I thought as well. So this time fix the crap for good!"
Nov 17 16:56:35 * Arkenoi is playing with wimax-wifi router from samsung. those idiots made samsung/ubiquam proprietary usb/charger connector there
Nov 17 16:56:39 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer, they can't unless nokia changed mobo.
Nov 17 16:56:55 <Arkenoi> (the router is portable battery-powered one)
Nov 17 16:57:29 <DocScrutinizer> I think Nokia did. At least there are reports about glue under receptacle
Nov 17 16:57:32 <slonopotamus> Arkenoi, yeah, samsung likes to do that
Nov 17 16:57:42 <Arkenoi> i wish n900 had wimax
Nov 17 16:57:54 <kerio> >more battery drain
Nov 17 16:57:55 <kerio> sure, why not
Nov 17 16:58:11 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer, dunno, i didn't open its case yet.
Nov 17 16:58:16 <Arkenoi> you may turn it off while unused
Nov 17 16:58:55 <Arkenoi> the router is bulky, it is about n900 size. ok for winter time but definitely does not fit for summer when you have no free pockets
Nov 17 17:00:05 <slonopotamus> Arkenoi, wait, pocket wimax <-> wifi?
Nov 17 17:01:37 <slonopotamus> Arkenoi, does it have head-mount? :)
Nov 17 17:05:06 <Arkenoi> slonopotamus, yota egg, haven't you ever seen it?
Nov 17 17:08:16 <DocScrutinizer> the most proper sturdy design for USB receptacle would be to weld it to a small sheet of metal with a aperture for the plug to fit in and 2 small holes for screws. Then insert the whole receptacle from outside into case and fix with two screws to case plastic. Connect to main board inside with thin short wire jumpers that easily break without destroying the PCB whenever the receptacle gets bent or pulled out
Nov 17 17:09:44 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer, agreed. funnily, desktop usbs work exactly that way (well, except s/jumpers/cord/)
Nov 17 17:10:18 * ShadowJK has a eeling they don't want to attach anything to exterior case
Nov 17 17:10:28 <slonopotamus> ShadowJK, why?
Nov 17 17:10:35 <DocScrutinizer> you bet they don't want
Nov 17 17:10:51 <ShadowJK> those highspeed videos of drop testing makes it looks like anything attached to case is going to get ripped out :)
Nov 17 17:12:03 <DocScrutinizer> if Nokia did proper design they could have threads in that sheet of steel and screw fix it from outside to the inside of plasic (god I'm poor at describing things), then you just see 2 screw heads outside
Nov 17 17:12:46 <slonopotamus> n8x0 has other problem, charger plug has very high chance of breakage if fallen while in. likely, new charger is just $5.
Nov 17 17:14:19 <DocScrutinizer> plus N8x0 charger plug is sitting fixed in a 'bay' of plastic case and contacts to board via springs. Another feasible design for micro-USB
Nov 17 17:14:45 <DocScrutinizer> s/plug/receptacle/
Nov 17 17:14:45 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: plus N8x0 charger receptacle is sitting fixed in a 'bay' of plastic case and contacts to board via springs. Another feasible design for micro-USB
Nov 17 17:15:59 <DocScrutinizer> same design used for all Nxxx headphone receptacles
Nov 17 17:16:41 * slonopotamus wonders how n8x0 usb is attached
Nov 17 17:17:00 <DocScrutinizer> nobody ever heard of "My N900/N8x0 headset receptacle came out of the case"
Nov 17 17:17:05 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: same
Nov 17 17:17:12 <DocScrutinizer> like N900
Nov 17 17:17:27 <slonopotamus> meh.
Nov 17 17:17:42 <DocScrutinizer> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/
Nov 17 17:18:26 <slonopotamus> at least, this time i didn't have to convince repair service that this is a warranty case :)
Nov 17 17:18:51 * Arkenoi wonders if there is a way to change wimax host certificate in n810 wimax edition, to make it possible to use it with russian wimax networks. it is said that certificate validation is the problem..
Nov 17 17:19:03 <DocScrutinizer> ooh I see N810 hs-receptacle was soldered
Nov 17 17:20:05 <pupnik_> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tablet_personal_computer   shouldn't the nokia 770 get a mention there?
Nov 17 17:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/N810-disassembly/n810_disassembly/snc00298_jpg.jpeg.html
Nov 17 17:20:34 <pupnik_> oh there it is nm
Nov 17 17:22:13 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer, so, same crap. the only thing that saved it is that charger has separate receptable.
Nov 17 17:23:42 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: probably. Though I guess my first N900 has its first birthday today (or maybe last week) and it has no problems yet
Nov 17 17:24:31 <slonopotamus> DocScrutinizer, you always keep it on charger? :)
Nov 17 17:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> at least once a day
Nov 17 17:25:00 <alterego> Okay, that's it, gonna do my own freaking speed indicator widget ..
Nov 17 17:25:13 <Afteris> :)
Nov 17 17:27:58 <DocScrutinizer> slonopotamus: but I'm very concerned about me never pulling on charger cable, never placing the device on a soft surface or otherwise make it sit on charger plug, and I insert and unplug charger plug *very* carefully and in line
Nov 17 17:29:08 <DocScrutinizer> prying it out with nails, while finger knuckles sit on case
Nov 17 17:29:38 <slonopotamus> you don't expect everyone to do that, uh?
Nov 17 17:30:09 <DocScrutinizer> I don't care too much about others here
Nov 17 17:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> Nokia though shouldn't expect everybody is doing it that way
Nov 17 17:32:36 <slonopotamus> i thought such things have to be tested for handling N number of plug in/out where N is several times greater than expected average device usage time
Nov 17 17:33:59 <slonopotamus> so if n900 requires daily charging (twice, actually), then it should survive, for example, 2*365*(3..5) cycles
Nov 17 17:35:42 <slonopotamus> okay. are there any alternatives to n900? :)
Nov 17 17:36:08 <mgedmin> depends on what you want
Nov 17 17:36:11 <mgedmin> for me, no
Nov 17 17:36:13 <NooBmonk3y> alterego got a spare few mins? :)
Nov 17 17:37:24 <RST38h> slonopotamus: The Pandora! =)
Nov 17 17:37:55 <slonopotamus> mgedmin, keyboard, 3g, browser, messaging, terminal, pdf reader
Nov 17 17:38:22 <RST38h> slono: Actually, many Android devices will fit your requirements
Nov 17 17:38:23 <mgedmin> slonopotamus, laptop
Nov 17 17:38:41 <slonopotamus> ability to chroot to linux
Nov 17 17:38:42 <mgedmin> add "fits in a pocket", and it's more difficult
Nov 17 17:38:52 <RST38h> mgedmin: it is not
Nov 17 17:39:05 <slonopotamus> mgedmin, usable while standing
Nov 17 17:39:05 <RST38h> mgedmin: any generic Android device will fit the bill
Nov 17 17:39:26 <lardman> not many have a kb though
Nov 17 17:39:33 <RST38h> lardman: there are some
Nov 17 17:39:34 <mgedmin> ha! gotcha!
Nov 17 17:39:49 <RST38h> droid
Nov 17 17:40:14 <mgedmin> I think my list of requirements includes a linux-like userland, which makes Android not fit very well
Nov 17 17:40:30 <mgedmin> n900 is a computer first, phone second
Nov 17 17:40:32 <slonopotamus> RST38h, openpandora you mean?
Nov 17 17:40:38 <mgedmin> android is a phone first, computer second
Nov 17 17:40:42 <derf> What mgedmin said.
Nov 17 17:40:56 <mgedmin> I'd hate to use my n900 for phone calls
Nov 17 17:41:02 <mgedmin> I tried, that didn't last one day
Nov 17 17:41:07 <RST38h> slono: yes
Nov 17 17:41:11 <NooBmonk3y> lol mgedmin phone calls arent that bad, it works, tis all i need :P
Nov 17 17:41:13 <derf> I have a Droid 2, which has a keyboard, and is smaller than an N900.
Nov 17 17:41:21 <derf> I don't use it very much, for anything.
Nov 17 17:41:26 <RST38h> why?
Nov 17 17:41:30 <slonopotamus> mgedmin, it's weird for calling, yep :)
Nov 17 17:41:40 <lardman> derf: what version of android does that have?
Nov 17 17:41:48 <derf> lardman: 2.3?
Nov 17 17:41:53 <slonopotamus> derf, n8x0 size was best i'd like
Nov 17 17:41:56 <lardman> latest? 2.2
Nov 17 17:42:11 <derf> It said it upgraded to 2.3 of _something_ last week.
Nov 17 17:42:22 <RST38h> mgedmin: I use N900 for phone calls on daily basis.It is ok.
Nov 17 17:42:29 <derf> I couldn't actually find a 2.3 devkit, so I honsetly have no idea.
Nov 17 17:42:32 <mgedmin> different people have different tolerances
Nov 17 17:42:40 <mgedmin> I can't stand my computers making me wait
Nov 17 17:42:51 <derf> I am fairly new to Android development.
Nov 17 17:42:52 <mgedmin> 2 seconds to display "hey, someone is calling"?
Nov 17 17:42:56 <RST38h> mgedmin: more usable with headphones+mike, but ok alone as well
Nov 17 17:43:01 <lardman> One of my friends just got an HTC Touch HD running Android, nice big screen, but no kb (and Android which is not ideal as everything has been done for you)
Nov 17 17:43:12 <mgedmin> if it has more ram and didn't use swap, maybe it'd work better
Nov 17 17:43:15 <mgedmin> or if I used fewer apps
Nov 17 17:43:20 <mgedmin> s/has/had/
Nov 17 17:43:46 <slonopotamus> hmm, $350? i think i'm buying openpandora :P
Nov 17 17:43:48 <RST38h> mgedmin: you have not tweaked swappines or installed Mohammad's hildon-desktop?
Nov 17 17:43:49 <NooBmonk3y> where is MohammadAG  when you need him :(
Nov 17 17:44:06 <mgedmin> RST38h, no
Nov 17 17:44:15 <mgedmin> I was considering Mohammad's updates
Nov 17 17:45:01 <slonopotamus> considering Mohammad's updates slows down n900?
Nov 17 17:45:08 <NooBmonk3y> really?
Nov 17 17:45:11 <NooBmonk3y> mine is quit enippy now :)
Nov 17 17:45:16 <lardman> derf: is that what you're doing these days - Android stuff?
Nov 17 17:45:16 <RST38h> mgedmin: well, then you only have yourself to blame
Nov 17 17:45:26 <RST38h> mgedmin: for that 2 sec delay that is
Nov 17 17:45:26 <slonopotamus> RST38h, have one?
Nov 17 17:45:40 <RST38h> slono: What? Pandora? Of course not, I do not buy vaporware
Nov 17 17:45:55 <derf> lardman: Well, I'm working for Mozilla, and I hear we want to ship a browser for those devices...
Nov 17 17:45:56 <mgedmin> given my track record, I'm sure I can run it into the ground no matter what sw tweaks you try to push on me
Nov 17 17:46:09 <lardman> derf: oh right, cool :)
Nov 17 17:46:29 <derf> Honestly, I got them to buy me one because I kept breaking things on Android because I was only testing on my N900.
Nov 17 17:46:31 <RST38h> slono: Mohammad's hildon-desktop does not slow anything down
Nov 17 17:46:47 <derf> And Android apparently works nothing like a normal Linux system.
Nov 17 17:46:50 <slonopotamus> rst: i didn't say it does
Nov 17 17:48:36 <slonopotamus> Vaporware is a word used to describe products, usually computer hardware or software, that were not released on the date announced by their developer, or that were announced months or years before their release. Application of the word usually implies a negative opinion of a product, and pessimistic uncertainty that it will eventually be released.
Nov 17 17:48:43 <mgedmin> ah, so they handed out free laptops at the meego conference
Nov 17 17:48:55 <derf> I will say Android's audio API makes PulseAudio on the N900 look good :).
Nov 17 17:48:58 <slonopotamus> RST38h, but... according to their site, it _was_ released
Nov 17 17:49:58 <lardman> derf: Whenever I play with my wife's phone I think how nicely it works - reasonably quick and well integrated and I think that if Maemo were like that we'd have nothing to do
Nov 17 17:50:38 <RST38h> slono: Does not matter any more, it is vaporware :)
Nov 17 17:50:41 <derf> lardman: It's okay. I've got a lot of things to do already.
Nov 17 17:50:45 <crashanddie_> where's Kathy?
Nov 17 17:50:45 <trumee> Robot101: ping
Nov 17 17:51:00 <crashanddie_> lardman: nice to see you online so much again. What happened?
Nov 17 17:51:02 <RST38h> lardman: We still have nothing to do, it is up to Nokia who does no care
Nov 17 17:51:06 <lardman> derf: I also feel jealous of the Google integration and data backend
Nov 17 17:51:34 <lardman> crashanddie_: am trying to get some stuff finished off before I head to India, and I made sure I was about to watch the conf online
Nov 17 17:51:41 <lardman> RST38h: yeah
Nov 17 17:51:46 <derf> I don't. I don't use most of those services, and I resent having to create a Gmail account just to _look_ at the list of installable applications.
Nov 17 17:51:58 <RST38h> lardman: Isn't Maemo better integrated with servicesthough? Not just google, unified messaging and address book, etc
Nov 17 17:52:11 <lardman> I like the location and data services, though when roaming I think it would be pretty useless
Nov 17 17:52:51 <derf> I miss having maps that work without an internet connection.
Nov 17 17:52:56 <lardman> RST38h: yes in that way, but the provision of data (location data, data about locations and things there) is pretty cool
Nov 17 17:53:07 <lardman> yeah that would be a major pita
Nov 17 17:53:30 <derf> (well, I don't miss having them... I carry an N810 around when I'm travelling)
Nov 17 17:53:36 <trumee> lardman: India, holiday?
Nov 17 17:53:36 <lardman> though apparently the HTC phones have a built-in map app that doesn't use a connection, so there must be some available
Nov 17 17:53:41 <lardman> trumee: work
Nov 17 17:53:46 <trumee> lardman: whereabouts?
Nov 17 17:53:52 <lardman> Delhi
Nov 17 17:53:59 <trumee> lardman: Is that Nokia?
Nov 17 17:54:19 <lardman> no no, I work at University on thermography
Nov 17 17:54:32 <derf> I will say, though, that Android's e-mail client actually _works_ with my mailboxes.
Nov 17 17:54:38 <trumee> lardman: Delhi must be good weather these days.
Nov 17 17:54:57 <lardman> trumee: probably better than here atm (~6C + rain)!
Nov 17 17:55:04 <derf> The UI is prett poor, because it still thinks that people only have one Inbox.
Nov 17 17:55:07 <derf> *pretty
Nov 17 17:55:20 <mgedmin> derf, does it have threading?
Nov 17 17:55:29 <derf> But it has a brilliant solution for dealing with folders with 20,000 messages in them.
Nov 17 17:55:29 <lardman> derf: most phones work better with email than the N900, even the 2 yo Windows Mobile ones
Nov 17 17:55:33 <mgedmin> (or conversations, given that this is google, after all)
Nov 17 17:55:35 <derf> It doesn't download them all.
Nov 17 17:55:52 <trumee> lardman: You can get a 3g sim in Delhi now.
Nov 17 17:56:00 <derf> mgedmin: If it does, I disabled it.
Nov 17 17:56:02 <lardman> yes, but it just grows the list doesn't it, I wonder what happens if you keep scrolling down
Nov 17 17:56:04 <derf> I hate threading.
Nov 17 17:56:10 <mgedmin> hm
Nov 17 17:56:27 <lardman> trumee: I'll have wifi anyway but thanks
Nov 17 17:56:33 <mgedmin> I hate inermixed mailing list coversations on high-volume lists, where I'm interested in just a few threadas
Nov 17 17:57:02 <derf> I try not to subcribe to high-volume lists.
Nov 17 17:57:30 <mgedmin> that's a good idea
Nov 17 17:57:37 * mgedmin has terminal curiosity
Nov 17 17:57:45 <mgedmin> 4 hours a day reading blogs/lists
Nov 17 17:57:56 <mgedmin> leaves little time for food + sleep
Nov 17 17:57:59 <mgedmin> or work, for that matter
Nov 17 17:58:56 <RST38h> terrible
Nov 17 17:58:57 <trumee> lardman:iit delhi ?
Nov 17 17:59:07 <RST38h> find a different subject:)
Nov 17 18:00:17 <lardman> trumee: yeah hotel
Nov 17 18:00:26 <derf> mgedmin: Now that I look, there don't seem to be any threading options at all.
Nov 17 18:00:28 <trumee> Are the videos from meego conference available?
Nov 17 18:00:36 <lardman> yes
Nov 17 18:00:53 <mgedmin> thanks for taking the time to look
Nov 17 18:00:55 <mgedmin> derf++
Nov 17 18:01:01 <trumee> lardman: They have a nice campus. I have there a few times.
Nov 17 18:01:08 <trumee> *been
Nov 17 18:01:31 <wmarone> hm
Nov 17 18:01:37 <wmarone> magnet on my kickstand failed
Nov 17 18:03:44 <RST38h> derf: This is solved by adding filters to GMail, to place each mailing list into its own tag/folder
Nov 17 18:04:19 <derf> RST38h: Well, I use procmail.
Nov 17 18:04:22 <derf> But yes.
Nov 17 18:04:33 <RST38h> derf:same shit, minus google
Nov 17 18:04:43 <derf> See comments above about UIs that still think everyone just has one global Inbox.
Nov 17 18:04:48 * RST38h just hates mailing lists. Always reading them online.
Nov 17 18:05:35 <RST38h> Absolutely not interested in getting emails from some completely random people discussing random, uninteresting things
Nov 17 18:05:44 <merlin1991> hey I need quick git wizardry, I need to move my current head into a new branch, I failed to branch before commiting :$
Nov 17 18:06:32 <derf> Well, that's why I try not to subscribe to high-volume lists.
Nov 17 18:06:58 <derf> The few lists I'm on, I generally know all of the people involved, and am probably working with them on something specific.
Nov 17 18:07:38 <derf> I agree, for everything else there's http archives.
Nov 17 18:13:28 <lardman> cu later chaps, have a meeting to get to
Nov 17 18:15:10 <SpeedEvil> alterego: pasties
Nov 17 18:15:13 <SpeedEvil> oops
Nov 17 18:16:08 <alterego> SpeedEvil: ? :P
Nov 17 18:19:10 <Robot101> trumee: pong
Nov 17 18:19:26 <trumee> Robot101: did you get any response from vox corp?
Nov 17 18:20:08 <Robot101> trumee: no :/
Nov 17 18:20:43 <trumee> Robot101: Phil was moving location so guess he is quite busy this week.
Nov 17 18:21:35 <trumee> Robot101: I hope you will get a response soon.
Nov 17 18:23:38 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, !! :)
Nov 17 18:24:16 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: now what?!
Nov 17 18:24:31 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_qLL-UqoHiI  http://www.fudgie.org/gltrail.html  "View real-time relations and activities from any logfile on any server with SSH, in an entertaining way."
Nov 17 18:24:45 <NooBmonk3y> hehe you can guess :P
Nov 17 18:24:47 <NooBmonk3y> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65781
Nov 17 18:25:41 <alterego> Heh, I'll look at it in a second.
Nov 17 18:25:55 <NooBmonk3y> thankee :)
Nov 17 18:25:59 <NooBmonk3y> still packaging issues :P
Nov 17 18:26:54 <alterego> Yeah noticed, that's what I meant by I'll have a look in a minute ;)
Nov 17 18:27:08 <alterego> I'm guessing it's something simple like it's not copying the desktop file.
Nov 17 18:28:38 <NooBmonk3y> yup i think so :p
Nov 17 18:33:04 <alterego> Wow, your package is well screwed
Nov 17 18:33:16 <janne123> hello, i have very big and annoying trouble with my n900
Nov 17 18:33:25 <janne123> i lost almost all apps in menu:)
Nov 17 18:33:38 <NooBmonk3y> lol alterego  :P
Nov 17 18:33:41 <NooBmonk3y> why thank you
Nov 17 18:33:45 <janne123> i just tried change order and now i dont find them
Nov 17 18:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: probably hildon app starter messed up the desktop files on sorting them
Nov 17 18:38:06 <DocScrutinizer> and now it fails to build the menu when it runs into a borked .desktop
Nov 17 18:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> actually there's one file which holds sort order, alas I can't recall the name right now
Nov 17 18:40:05 <DocScrutinizer> you can access xterm?
Nov 17 18:40:30 <RST38h> Anyone seen wazd?
Nov 17 18:41:35 <DocScrutinizer> (try ctrl-shift-x)
Nov 17 18:42:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen wazd
Nov 17 18:42:00 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: where did you get your .pro file from btw?
Nov 17 18:42:05 <NooBmonk3y> qt creator
Nov 17 18:42:15 <infobot> wazd <~chatzilla@86.43.14.84> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 2d 2h 40m 11s ago, saying: 'I even was able to call via skype'.
Nov 17 18:44:50 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, crap, i lost x-term too:D
Nov 17 18:45:11 <janne123> wait a minute...
Nov 17 18:45:45 <janne123> \o/
Nov 17 18:46:02 <janne123> it works, it was just took little bit time
Nov 17 18:46:16 <janne123> and what i write to x-term?
Nov 17 18:46:45 <DocScrutinizer> cat /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu
Nov 17 18:47:30 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: think I've fixed it.
Nov 17 18:47:39 <NooBmonk3y> ooo wow!
Nov 17 18:48:20 <janne123> should i boot n900 now?
Nov 17 18:48:44 <DocScrutinizer> nope, that won't have fixed anything yet :-D
Nov 17 18:48:53 <alterego> Just checking it on my device.
Nov 17 18:49:05 <NooBmonk3y> double yay!
Nov 17 18:49:19 <janne123> what i will do next?:)
Nov 17 18:50:10 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: worked
Nov 17 18:50:17 <NooBmonk3y> yayyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyyy!
Nov 17 18:50:27 <NooBmonk3y> my life is complete lol
Nov 17 18:50:36 <alterego> Program doesn't launch though
Nov 17 18:50:39 <alterego> I know why actually.
Nov 17 18:50:41 <DocScrutinizer> pastebin that file, a ls -l /usr/share/applications/hildon, and maybe a screenshot of your broken menu. Then get some advice
Nov 17 18:50:44 <alterego> I optified your package ..
Nov 17 18:51:14 <NooBmonk3y> ooo, i have the optify file in there?
Nov 17 18:51:21 <NooBmonk3y> so i assumed the autobuilder optifies it?
Nov 17 18:51:23 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: also you could try the following cmd: touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/xxx.desktop
Nov 17 18:51:30 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, i have to write all because i use irc on pc and not in n900
Nov 17 18:51:33 <alterego> Yeah, don't need that anymore, done the proper way.
Nov 17 18:51:46 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 17 18:51:52 <DocScrutinizer> I said pastebin, not paste-here
Nov 17 18:52:00 <mece> NooBmonk3y: what dod you do?
Nov 17 18:52:01 <janne123> :D
Nov 17 18:52:07 <mece> s/dod/did/
Nov 17 18:52:07 <infobot> mece meant: NooBmonk3y: what did you do?
Nov 17 18:52:13 <NooBmonk3y> mece,  probably more, what i didnt do right :P
Nov 17 18:52:25 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: you're using apmefo?
Nov 17 18:52:26 <mece> NooBmonk3y, well, you're cheering...
Nov 17 18:52:38 <NooBmonk3y> oh alterego fixed my packaging issue :p
Nov 17 18:52:52 <mece> NooBmonk3y, what are you packaging?
Nov 17 18:53:03 <NooBmonk3y> maecount - a little multiple counter for revdKathy
Nov 17 18:53:06 <alterego> Okay, 2nd test ;)
Nov 17 18:53:07 <NooBmonk3y> to help her knitting :p
Nov 17 18:53:12 <alterego> Hah
Nov 17 18:53:34 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 17 18:53:35 * NooBmonk3y trouts frals 
Nov 17 18:53:37 <alterego> Okay, worked that time ;)
Nov 17 18:53:42 <NooBmonk3y> yay yay!
Nov 17 18:53:56 * frals slaps NooBmonk3y around a bit with a large trout
Nov 17 18:54:05 <NooBmonk3y> thats better
Nov 17 18:54:19 <RST38h> Anyone knows the exact path to sqlite database containingtheaddress book?
Nov 17 18:54:21 <alterego> Now I'm not going to give it to you and see how long it takes you to fix it yourself :P
Nov 17 18:54:37 <NooBmonk3y> sod!
Nov 17 18:54:49 <NooBmonk3y> or at least how long it takes for me to break it ;)
Nov 17 18:55:28 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/maecount_0.8.0.tar.gz
Nov 17 18:55:56 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, i dont use apmefo, i dont know what it is:)
Nov 17 18:56:14 <NooBmonk3y> 0.8.0?
Nov 17 18:56:15 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 17 18:56:21 <DocScrutinizer> you tried the cmd suggested?
Nov 17 18:56:32 <alterego> That's the version number you gave me ..
Nov 17 18:56:58 <BCMM> what impact do live screensavers have on battery life? does it try to do anything clever like do nothing when a window is covering it or the screen is locked?
Nov 17 18:57:05 <NooBmonk3y> thought i gave you 0.8.3? lol
Nov 17 18:57:12 <alterego> BCMM: it does yes
Nov 17 18:57:25 <BCMM> does it, in fact, do both of those?
Nov 17 18:57:35 <alterego> Oh wait, that's the version you gave me the otherday ..
Nov 17 18:57:40 <alterego> Are there many actual code changes?
Nov 17 18:57:43 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: berkeley db
Nov 17 18:57:50 <janne123> i wrote this: touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/xxx.desktop and it says just no such file
Nov 17 18:57:53 <RST38h> Doc: Good
Nov 17 18:57:58 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, just checked, yup - was 0.8.3 ilinked, random!
Nov 17 18:58:01 <RST38h> Doc: Remember  the path?
Nov 17 18:58:07 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, naaaa
Nov 17 18:58:16 <DocScrutinizer> nope, sorry RST38h
Nov 17 18:58:48 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: yeah, couldn't be bothered to download it again, so I just used the version I downloaded the other day ;)
Nov 17 18:58:52 <alterego> Sorreh
Nov 17 18:59:00 <NooBmonk3y> oh lol!
Nov 17 18:59:11 <NooBmonk3y> np, will go and change it to 0.8.4 to upload lol
Nov 17 18:59:16 <alterego> Hah
Nov 17 18:59:26 <alterego> As long as there weren't any source changes that should be fine ;)
Nov 17 18:59:35 <alterego> You'll need to update the changelog file too.
Nov 17 18:59:40 <NooBmonk3y> no, but the current packaged version is 0.8.3 in devel
Nov 17 18:59:49 <NooBmonk3y> if i upload 0.8.0 will it overrite?
Nov 17 18:59:49 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 17 18:59:52 <alterego> No,
Nov 17 18:59:55 <alterego> It wont work :)
Nov 17 18:59:58 <NooBmonk3y> lol so i need 0.8.4 ;)
Nov 17 19:00:05 <NooBmonk3y> okies brb!
Nov 17 19:00:21 <alterego> Indeed, but you'll want to update the debian/changelog file to reflect the changes in the previous version as well as this one.
Nov 17 19:01:09 <janne123> im confused, what i can do? i see only, settings, maps, ovi and some other apps but example system and games directory is missing
Nov 17 19:01:28 <janne123> and shortcuts doesn't work if app is missing
Nov 17 19:02:04 <NooBmonk3y> yup will try too lol
Nov 17 19:02:10 <NooBmonk3y> meh wont build in qt :|
Nov 17 19:02:37 <alterego> What's the error?
Nov 17 19:03:07 <NooBmonk3y> :: error: Packaging Error: Could not copy '/media/FreeAgent Drive/Maecount/Project/MaeCount-build-maemo/maecount' to '/media/FreeAgent Drive/Maecount/Project/MaeCount-build-maemo/debian/maecount//usr/local/bin/MaeCount'.
Nov 17 19:04:34 <alterego> What the freak are you doing :P
Nov 17 19:04:43 <NooBmonk3y> just clicking build in QT creator :)
Nov 17 19:04:49 <NooBmonk3y> then i will test it on my device
Nov 17 19:04:52 <alterego> Oh, erm, do a clean first.
Nov 17 19:04:53 <NooBmonk3y> then i will package it lol
Nov 17 19:04:56 <NooBmonk3y> i did :|
Nov 17 19:05:40 <alterego> You've done something wrong, because /usr/local/bin is wrong.
Nov 17 19:05:47 <janne123> anyone has something idea to my problem?
Nov 17 19:05:50 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 17 19:05:56 <NooBmonk3y> just turned of shadow build
Nov 17 19:05:58 <NooBmonk3y> worked fine
Nov 17 19:06:07 <NooBmonk3y> oh no
Nov 17 19:06:08 <NooBmonk3y> it didnt
Nov 17 19:06:08 <alterego> Yeah, that'd probably work :)
Nov 17 19:06:09 <NooBmonk3y> feck
Nov 17 19:06:31 <NooBmonk3y> Skipping packaging step works though!
Nov 17 19:06:35 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 19:06:44 <alterego> Weird, wonder why it works for me.
Nov 17 19:06:57 <alterego> Oh, I'm building it directly with madde, didn't use Qt Creator to build
Nov 17 19:07:00 <alterego> Ang on
Nov 17 19:07:43 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 17 19:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: you said the command I told you returned error "no such file". Which command exactly did you use?
Nov 17 19:07:47 <NooBmonk3y> i must be doing this odd
Nov 17 19:07:54 <NooBmonk3y> i use qt to build and deploy to device
Nov 17 19:08:04 <NooBmonk3y> then i actually use madde to package it for autobuilder
Nov 17 19:08:14 <NooBmonk3y> which is where i probably go wrong
Nov 17 19:08:23 <frals> dpkg-buildpackage in sb!
Nov 17 19:08:28 <NooBmonk3y> sb?
Nov 17 19:08:32 <alterego> scratchbox
Nov 17 19:08:37 <NooBmonk3y> dont have scratchbox
Nov 17 19:08:42 <DocScrutinizer> meh, too much idle time
Nov 17 19:08:45 <alterego> Don't worry about it.
Nov 17 19:08:55 <NooBmonk3y> :p trying not too
Nov 17 19:09:08 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: delete the .pro.user file and reopen the project.
Nov 17 19:09:59 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, say me again what i have to write
Nov 17 19:10:09 <alterego> I think the problem is it got confused about our different toolchains.
Nov 17 19:10:36 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I'm too busy to do this "convo to mars" (RTT >200s)
Nov 17 19:10:41 <NooBmonk3y> oh meh
Nov 17 19:10:49 <NooBmonk3y> now it wont even build in madde... rules file error
Nov 17 19:10:54 <DocScrutinizer> command was : touch /usr/share/applications/hildon/xxx.desktop
Nov 17 19:10:59 <alterego> Interesting ..
Nov 17 19:11:03 <alterego> What are you doing :P
Nov 17 19:11:08 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, now you know why i'm so confused :P
Nov 17 19:11:32 <NooBmonk3y> mad dpkg-buildpackage
Nov 17 19:14:11 <NooBmonk3y> ahh i know why
Nov 17 19:14:12 <NooBmonk3y> Can't exec "debian/rules": Permission denied at /home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/madbin/dpkg-buildpackage line 474.
Nov 17 19:14:22 <alterego> chmod +x :P
Nov 17 19:14:24 <janne123> permission denied, i will try with root...
Nov 17 19:14:59 <alterego> Except, you're buidling everything off of a fat formatted external drive are you not ..
Nov 17 19:16:05 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, i move it to my main drive to build
Nov 17 19:16:12 <janne123> weird, nothing was happened. i can write now something else but it didnt do anything, i think
Nov 17 19:16:14 <alterego> Okay, cool.
Nov 17 19:16:17 <NooBmonk3y> the qt project etc builds there, but i move it away when i mad it
Nov 17 19:16:21 <alterego> I'd untarr it on your main drive tbh
Nov 17 19:16:26 <NooBmonk3y> i did :0
Nov 17 19:16:26 <alterego> That way it'll keep all your permissions.
Nov 17 19:16:34 <NooBmonk3y> anyway!
Nov 17 19:16:38 <NooBmonk3y> tis in autobuilder now!
Nov 17 19:16:42 <alterego> Oh, m'kay
Nov 17 19:17:10 <NooBmonk3y> lol!
Nov 17 19:17:17 <javispedro> alterego: btw, we had a unconference session about meego gtk/hildon -- watch MLs for notes in the near future
Nov 17 19:17:22 <NooBmonk3y> https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-November/030492.html - python wtf!
Nov 17 19:18:35 <NooBmonk3y> that error message makes no sense to me :|
Nov 17 19:19:31 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: auto builder is written in Python
Nov 17 19:19:37 <NooBmonk3y> ohhhhhhhh
Nov 17 19:19:39 <alterego> So it's an error with autobuilder ;)
Nov 17 19:19:56 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, something new idea?
Nov 17 19:20:10 <NooBmonk3y> :|
Nov 17 19:20:12 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 17 19:20:26 <NooBmonk3y> error with autobuilder ebcause of maecount? or just an autobuilder error?
Nov 17 19:20:32 <NooBmonk3y> try again?
Nov 17 19:20:51 <alterego> Not sure
Nov 17 19:20:58 <alterego> Probably something with your packge is making it choke.
Nov 17 19:21:16 <alterego> Out of my league though ;)
Nov 17 19:21:38 <alterego> Oh, I see.
Nov 17 19:21:55 <NooBmonk3y> :|
Nov 17 19:22:08 <alterego> No rule to make target `/home/greg/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++-maemo5/qmake.conf', needed by `Makefile'.  Stop.
Nov 17 19:22:13 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 19:22:39 <NooBmonk3y> ok this one failed
Nov 17 19:22:40 <NooBmonk3y> https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/maecount_0.8.4/armel.build.log.FAILED.txt
Nov 17 19:22:47 * Jef91 muters something about the maemo forums sucking
Nov 17 19:22:50 <Jef91> "Fatal error: Allowed memory size of 67108864 bytes exhausted (tried to allocate 35 bytes) in /home/tabtalk/public_html/forums/search.php on line 1160"
Nov 17 19:23:15 <alterego> NooBmonk3y: yeah, just pasted the error.
Nov 17 19:23:18 <NooBmonk3y> ?!?!
Nov 17 19:23:18 <alterego> Recognise it?
Nov 17 19:23:30 <NooBmonk3y> well yeah
Nov 17 19:23:41 <NooBmonk3y> but no idea what autobuilder is doing with my files structure ;)
Nov 17 19:23:46 <alterego> ls
Nov 17 19:23:52 <alterego> Well, it's in your Makefile
Nov 17 19:24:01 <alterego> Did you upload with the Makefile?
Nov 17 19:24:25 <NooBmonk3y> yeah i think so
Nov 17 19:24:28 <NooBmonk3y> should i not?
Nov 17 19:24:29 <frals> you shouldnt
Nov 17 19:24:30 <frals> :D
Nov 17 19:24:31 <alterego> Well, you shouldn't :P
Nov 17 19:24:38 <NooBmonk3y> lol well, theres no a-z guide on this lol
Nov 17 19:24:41 <alterego> make distclean
Nov 17 19:24:50 <alterego> before you generate the source packages.
Nov 17 19:25:09 <alterego> using dpkg-buildpackage -sa whatever blah blah :)
Nov 17 19:26:13 <NooBmonk3y> lol!
Nov 17 19:26:19 <NooBmonk3y> now it wont build :p
Nov 17 19:26:20 <NooBmonk3y> dpkg-buildpackage: failure: debian/rules clean gave error exit status 2
Nov 17 19:26:34 * alterego sighs
Nov 17 19:28:10 <NooBmonk3y> erroring with one of these lines i think
Nov 17 19:28:11 <NooBmonk3y> $(MAKE) clean
Nov 17 19:28:11 <NooBmonk3y> 	dh_clean
Nov 17 19:29:00 <Macer> hm
Nov 17 19:29:05 <Macer> this fm trans sucks
Nov 17 19:29:15 <Macer> and i dont think the booster app does anything
Nov 17 19:29:24 <BCMM> i've heard it doesn't on 1.3
Nov 17 19:29:34 <BCMM> for stupid reasons
Nov 17 19:29:35 <Macer> it has like a range of like 6" :)
Nov 17 19:29:45 <Macer> yeah
Nov 17 19:29:53 <BCMM> but someone has a patch to make boost work again in 1.3
Nov 17 19:29:53 <alterego> Hrm, think that one should be commented out.
Nov 17 19:29:54 <Macer> well. it is now a waste lol
Nov 17 19:29:58 <BCMM> i'll just check my logs
Nov 17 19:30:03 <Macer> awesome
Nov 17 19:30:07 <NooBmonk3y> lol well your rules file was hugely different to mine :|
Nov 17 19:30:08 <Macer> i need it to be boosted
Nov 17 19:30:21 <pupnik_> BCMM: what you doin with libboost
Nov 17 19:30:27 <Macer> hm... what about a2dp and a bt head unit?
Nov 17 19:30:29 <BCMM> pupnik_: ?
Nov 17 19:30:33 <Macer> would that work?
Nov 17 19:30:43 <pupnik_> nm
Nov 17 19:30:47 <alterego> Was it?
Nov 17 19:30:48 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 19:30:51 <Macer> i never tried a2dp stuff on my n900
Nov 17 19:30:51 <alterego> uhoh
Nov 17 19:31:27 <Macer> anybody here use it at all?
Nov 17 19:31:36 <alterego> This is why I do everything manually.
Nov 17 19:31:51 <pupnik_> Macer: in areas with less FM density, i think it is usable
Nov 17 19:31:53 <BCMM> Macer: MohammadAG linked me to http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/PR1.3/fmtx-si4713.ko
Nov 17 19:32:00 <Surfa> Macer, yes, many people
Nov 17 19:32:01 <Macer> alterego: you can boost it manually? :)
Nov 17 19:32:06 <BCMM> i haven't tested transmission since then
Nov 17 19:32:25 <alterego> Macer: no was talking about our Qt packaging problem that NooBmonk3y is suffering.
Nov 17 19:32:52 <Macer> lol
Nov 17 19:32:57 <NooBmonk3y> :p
Nov 17 19:33:05 <NooBmonk3y> you get used to it in here ;)
Nov 17 19:33:05 <Macer> isnt there always a maemo pkging problem? :)
Nov 17 19:33:09 <NooBmonk3y> yup!
Nov 17 19:33:54 <BCMM> Macer: from what mohammed said, it's not just the boost app, the sysfs interface is disable somehow in 1.3
Nov 17 19:34:16 <alterego> Interesting.
Nov 17 19:34:34 <BCMM> i think the link is the driver from 1.2, rebuild with 1.3 kernel headers
Nov 17 19:34:38 <NooBmonk3y> meh
Nov 17 19:34:42 <Macer> BCMM: well. hopefully i can figure out how to get the booster working
Nov 17 19:34:51 <NooBmonk3y> gone from a packaged app with no menu launcher, to an app that wont package lol
Nov 17 19:34:59 <Macer> the fm trans is horrible right now in my car
Nov 17 19:35:05 <BCMM> Macer: did you see the link?
Nov 17 19:35:21 <Macer> the link was onnly the file
Nov 17 19:35:28 <Macer> ;) i downloaded it
Nov 17 19:35:29 <BCMM> oh, sorry
Nov 17 19:35:43 <BCMM> you replace your existing fmtx-si4713.ko with this one
Nov 17 19:35:50 <Macer> so does the boost app work with this file ?
Nov 17 19:35:58 <mece> BCMM, what does it do?
Nov 17 19:36:12 <Macer> right now it just looks like it crashes heh
Nov 17 19:36:30 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter#Typical_Range
Nov 17 19:36:40 <BCMM> mece: you're best off asking MohammadAG yourself, but Turski said "it's PR1.2 module build with PR1.3 headers, so it allow use of boost"
Nov 17 19:36:45 <DocScrutinizer> paul spotted a nasty lock mechanism in pr1.3 FMTX sysnode/kerneldriver, And somebody removed it, and Mohamad is publishing the .ko that has it removed
Nov 17 19:37:20 <DocScrutinizer> or was it shadowjk who spotted it first? can't recall
Nov 17 19:37:23 <BCMM> apparently the 1.3 fmtx module tries to disable changing tx power
Nov 17 19:37:36 <mece> wow.. evil.
Nov 17 19:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> not apparently, and not tries
Nov 17 19:37:40 <SpeedEvil> Oooh.
Nov 17 19:37:45 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, or PaulFertser
Nov 17 19:37:46 <SpeedEvil> One use for the dummy case.
Nov 17 19:38:02 <BCMM> oh, somebody removed it? i thought it was just a matter of recompiling the module from 1.2 for 1.3's kernel?
Nov 17 19:38:11 <SpeedEvil> Determine drill-points or other means - to connect an external fmtx ant
Nov 17 19:38:20 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: by "tries", i mean it sometimes gets confused and does the wrong thing
Nov 17 19:38:23 <ShadowJK> One nice side-effect of pr1.3 fmtx powelock: power isn't reduced when i connect carcharger
Nov 17 19:38:26 <ShadowJK> :)
Nov 17 19:38:49 <DocScrutinizer> sure, it locks to very first level it's set to
Nov 17 19:38:56 <Macer> BCMM: ok. i replaced it
Nov 17 19:39:12 <Macer> does turning on the trans load the module?
Nov 17 19:39:13 <BCMM> hmm
Nov 17 19:39:22 <mece> DocScrutinizer, well how does one go and change the first level it's set to then?
Nov 17 19:39:22 <BCMM> Macer: lsmod
Nov 17 19:39:26 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: well reverting the PR1.3 patch or using the pr1.2 version is roundavout the same
Nov 17 19:39:46 <BCMM> Macer: i guess it's a bit late to do the "you'll have to reflash if you do anything wrong in that dir" thing...
Nov 17 19:39:50 <BCMM> so pretend i told you taht first
Nov 17 19:39:50 <DocScrutinizer> mece: not at all, that's the idea
Nov 17 19:40:10 <BCMM> Macer: you can see if the fmtx module is loaded with lsmod
Nov 17 19:40:11 <mece> DocScrutinizer, well when was it first set?
Nov 17 19:40:22 <BCMM> Macer: you may need to rmmod/modprobe it, to load the new version
Nov 17 19:40:25 <DocScrutinizer> mece: though you can rmmod+insmod and again set it 'first time'
Nov 17 19:40:29 <Macer> yeah
Nov 17 19:40:34 <Macer> i do ;)
Nov 17 19:40:35 <BCMM> tbh, you could also just reboot
Nov 17 19:41:20 <Macer> yeah. think that would be easier
Nov 17 19:41:22 <mece> DocScrutinizer, hmm? So why do we need a patch?
Nov 17 19:41:36 <Macer> ;) removing it would make me reload like 10 modules heh
Nov 17 19:41:37 <DocScrutinizer> because we don't like that shit
Nov 17 19:41:37 <Macer> bbl
Nov 17 19:41:41 <Afteris> n900 support 32gbmicrosd?
Nov 17 19:41:51 <BCMM> Macer: i haven't had a chance to test it on mine, i'd be interested to know if it makes a difference to you
Nov 17 19:41:54 <DocScrutinizer> and it breaks things
Nov 17 19:42:10 <BCMM> Macer: i bunch of stuff depends on fmtx?
Nov 17 19:42:11 <mece> DocScrutinizer, naturally, but if we just get it to "first" set it to maximum, then we're set, aren't we?
Nov 17 19:42:22 <DocScrutinizer> maybe, yes
Nov 17 19:42:55 <BCMM> any idea why it (used to) break FMTX when you plug in USB?
Nov 17 19:43:05 <Afteris> n900 support 32gb microsd?
Nov 17 19:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> it just leveled down
Nov 17 19:43:15 <BCMM> Afteris: dunno
Nov 17 19:43:18 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, use my rules file, think it is working
Nov 17 19:43:20 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: why?
Nov 17 19:43:22 <mece> Afteris, probably
Nov 17 19:43:27 <NooBmonk3y> no instant fail anyway
Nov 17 19:43:32 <DocScrutinizer> cable == antenna == boost
Nov 17 19:43:33 <Afteris> :)
Nov 17 19:43:39 <NooBmonk3y> although the date/time of package and author name looks fecekd lol
Nov 17 19:43:50 <NooBmonk3y> oh no, failed
Nov 17 19:44:27 <Macer> hm
Nov 17 19:44:40 <mece> where is it that you can see what the value is currently again?
Nov 17 19:44:40 <Macer> is fm boost supposed to just open and close
Nov 17 19:44:45 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: so short answer: to comply with FCC
Nov 17 19:44:51 <mece> Macer, yes.
Nov 17 19:44:58 <mece> it just writes a value
Nov 17 19:45:00 <Macer> how do i know if it is working?
Nov 17 19:45:05 <mece> cat the value
Nov 17 19:45:06 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 17 19:45:15 <Macer> mece: from where?
Nov 17 19:45:23 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: i thought it might be something like that. does it do the same if you plug in headphones?
Nov 17 19:45:26 <mece> Macer, that's what I asked...
Nov 17 19:45:30 <DocScrutinizer> if you don't notice a diff it's either not working or you don't need it
Nov 17 19:45:33 <Macer> mece: lol
Nov 17 19:45:39 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: yes
Nov 17 19:45:47 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: even worse iirc
Nov 17 19:46:00 <Macer> BCMM: do you know how to check if the fm booster is working?
Nov 17 19:46:11 <DocScrutinizer> I think headset & FMTX are mutually exclusive
Nov 17 19:46:15 <BCMM> Macer: walk away from radio till it gets a bit crackly
Nov 17 19:46:17 <BCMM> then boost
Nov 17 19:46:26 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 19:46:26 <Macer> BCMM: lol
Nov 17 19:46:36 <Macer> does running the boost twice turn it down?
Nov 17 19:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: lol
Nov 17 19:46:43 <Macer> or does it always stay up?
Nov 17 19:46:46 <Macer> until reboot
Nov 17 19:46:54 <NooBmonk3y> i think i just need to start again :P
Nov 17 19:46:54 <SpeedEvil> In a contended environment, with boost, 5m is a _extremely_ optimistic range.
Nov 17 19:46:58 <BCMM> so if you could trick it into FMTX'ing with a cable in the headphones socket, could you increase your range?
Nov 17 19:46:58 <alterego> I've actually got an RX sniffer probe for my multimeter
Nov 17 19:47:22 <BCMM> Macer: well, you could check that by looking at the sysfs interface in xterm
Nov 17 19:47:22 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: yes
Nov 17 19:47:22 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: going to run my pirate station from my n900
Nov 17 19:47:31 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: the filters to make the headphones socket an efficient reciever tend to make it an inefficient radiator.
Nov 17 19:47:41 <Macer> BCMM: i dont know where it keeps the value
Nov 17 19:47:46 <SpeedEvil> IME at least
Nov 17 19:47:52 <Macer> :)
Nov 17 19:47:53 <BCMM> Macer: me neither, i'm looking it up
Nov 17 19:47:57 <Macer> lol
Nov 17 19:48:04 <johnsq> Hi
Nov 17 19:48:07 <Macer> it would be nice to have a boost widget heh
Nov 17 19:48:11 <SpeedEvil> alterego: will it do nanowats though.
Nov 17 19:48:16 <Macer> let me test it on my car
Nov 17 19:48:25 <alterego> Heh
Nov 17 19:48:30 <Macer> SpeedEvil: no 20W boost?
Nov 17 19:48:30 <SpeedEvil> If the car melts, you've turned it up too high.
Nov 17 19:49:03 <BCMM> cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level
Nov 17 19:49:05 <BCMM> i think
Nov 17 19:49:28 <BCMM> you can also echo stuff > that to set the power
Nov 17 19:49:35 * DocScrutinizer powers up MTHELs to melt Macer's car
Nov 17 19:49:36 <Macer> hm
Nov 17 19:49:39 <Macer> 118
Nov 17 19:49:42 <BCMM> (if your kernel isn't breaking it for you)
Nov 17 19:49:51 <Macer> heh
Nov 17 19:49:54 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: there's also a power_max iirc
Nov 17 19:50:20 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, hello again and do u have any help with my problem now?:)
Nov 17 19:50:34 <BCMM> i just ran boost, and it changed it from 113 to 118
Nov 17 19:50:47 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, you're too slow, I can't keep that timespan of attention
Nov 17 19:50:48 <SpeedEvil> 118 is the hardware max.
Nov 17 19:51:04 <Macer> hm
Nov 17 19:51:11 <Macer> what is the measurement?
Nov 17 19:51:21 <Macer> nW? :)
Nov 17 19:51:31 <Macer> let me test it in the car
Nov 17 19:51:34 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: what happens if you attempt to set it higher than 118?
Nov 17 19:51:36 <DocScrutinizer> bogus I guess
Nov 17 19:51:59 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: rumour has it it becomes instable
Nov 17 19:52:06 <Macer> BCMM: martians attack and you screw up the space station
Nov 17 19:52:18 * BCMM considers it
Nov 17 19:52:32 <Macer> BCMM: let me know what happens lol
Nov 17 19:52:52 <BCMM> hmm actually these martians are pretty cool
Nov 17 19:53:16 <Macer> going to the car now to test
Nov 17 19:53:35 <alterego> Ffs, I'm just gonna do this using QPainter, can't be arsed with freakin' layouts.
Nov 17 19:53:54 <BCMM> so is there some sort of unofficial 1.3 changelog somewhere?
Nov 17 19:54:17 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: on wiki there's a link to h-e-n pr1.3 changelog
Nov 17 19:54:18 <BCMM> that could've told me that fmtx had been nerfed before i went on a long car journey?
Nov 17 19:54:34 <janne123> i need help, i have nokia n900 with maemo 5 1.3, i tried change places of apps in menu and somehow i lost most of apps and i see only browser, ovi etc, what to do?
Nov 17 19:55:22 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: where on the wiki?
Nov 17 19:55:30 <DocScrutinizer> pr1.3?
Nov 17 19:56:05 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: do you mean this? https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#patch9
Nov 17 19:56:14 <DocScrutinizer> looks like
Nov 17 19:56:24 <DocScrutinizer> didn't do a md5sum to verify
Nov 17 19:57:03 <BCMM> heh
Nov 17 19:57:04 <DocScrutinizer> that's just kernel patches
Nov 17 19:57:07 <Macer> wow
Nov 17 19:57:11 <Macer> huge difference
Nov 17 19:57:31 <mece> Macer, what is?
Nov 17 19:57:38 <BCMM> so were kernel patches the bulk of 1.3's changes?
Nov 17 19:57:39 <Macer> the fm boosting in my car
Nov 17 19:57:45 <BCMM> Macer: awesome
Nov 17 19:57:52 <Macer> lol.. BCMM thanks
Nov 17 19:57:57 <BCMM> i want to test mine now
Nov 17 19:57:58 <Macer> that helped a ton
Nov 17 19:58:01 <Macer> lol
Nov 17 19:58:15 <BCMM> maybe it will finally work in my girlfriend's car
Nov 17 19:58:18 <BCMM> it has this stupid radio
Nov 17 19:58:33 <BCMM> which will play the n900's channel for a bit
Nov 17 19:58:47 <BCMM> and then randomly start seeking for another station even though it's load and clear
Nov 17 19:58:49 <DocScrutinizer> this stupid radio with antenna outside and metal coated windows? :-P
Nov 17 19:58:59 <BCMM> ^loud
Nov 17 19:59:26 <mece> Macer, so you installed the patch first.
Nov 17 19:59:26 <Macer> well.. my car is working like 10x better now. thanks a ton
Nov 17 19:59:32 <Macer> mece: yes
Nov 17 19:59:42 <Macer> patched and reboot
Nov 17 19:59:47 <Macer> ran fm boost
Nov 17 19:59:54 <mece> apparently no write permissions to /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-2/2-0063/power_level without it.
Nov 17 19:59:54 <mece> hm
Nov 17 19:59:54 <Macer> and now it sounds like a cd heh
Nov 17 19:59:55 <BCMM> i mean presumably car radios have some sort of way of deciding that that transmitter is getting a bit distant and it should try to retune
Nov 17 20:00:04 <Macer> usr rootsh
Nov 17 20:00:07 <Macer> use
Nov 17 20:00:09 <BCMM> but that radio does it when hte n900 is coming through perfectly
Nov 17 20:00:18 <BCMM> it needs a "just trust me on this" button
Nov 17 20:00:21 <mece> Macer, no I meant without the patch
Nov 17 20:00:27 <Macer> oh
Nov 17 20:00:58 <mece> so.. how about unload module, set value, load module. or something..
Nov 17 20:00:59 <Macer> dunno. just tried it with the patch and it is a beast now lol
Nov 17 20:01:04 <Macer> no crackle
Nov 17 20:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> the wonders of microWatt instead of picoWatt
Nov 17 20:01:18 <Macer> and i am in the middle of fm traffic jam chicago lol
Nov 17 20:01:19 <alterego> My new speed indicator widget is looking smart :D
Nov 17 20:01:35 <Macer> ok. done testing
Nov 17 20:01:40 <mece> alterego, it indicates speed?
Nov 17 20:01:54 <Macer> thanks again. gotta go :)
Nov 17 20:02:02 <BCMM> alterego: desktop widget showing GPS speed? or network connection speed?
Nov 17 20:02:08 <BCMM> or something else entirely?
Nov 17 20:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> electromigration speed :-P
Nov 17 20:02:31 <chus1> Hi!
Nov 17 20:02:31 <chus1> I have a doubt
Nov 17 20:02:31 <chus1> Is there an equivalent function for hildon_mime_open_file in python? Can you help me?
Nov 17 20:02:31 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, ls -l /usr/share/applications/hildon worked now and what i say about this?
Nov 17 20:02:44 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: surprisingly slow?
Nov 17 20:02:52 <Macer> fm tans seems to work better with the car charger plugged in
Nov 17 20:02:59 <Macer> just throwing that out there
Nov 17 20:03:09 <alterego> BCMM: no custom widget in my application of custom widgets.
Nov 17 20:03:15 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: sounds like you use catorize though
Nov 17 20:03:44 <BCMM> so how does this "reducing power when USB is connected" thing work?
Nov 17 20:03:46 <DocScrutinizer> as I recall "games dir"
Nov 17 20:03:49 <BCMM> can you just boost it again?
Nov 17 20:04:01 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: rerun it
Nov 17 20:04:04 <NooBmonk3y> alterego, lol.. given up, reverted back to the 0.8.1 files that actually run from qt4 and on the device :|
Nov 17 20:04:25 <NooBmonk3y> at least i know that part works, so i need to start again i think, and figure out this build process :|
Nov 17 20:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: if that doesn't help, restore a backup (just desktop settings or something might be enough)
Nov 17 20:05:28 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: if you want to do it the geek way, you check every file in /usr/share/applications/hildon for proper structure
Nov 17 20:05:43 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: also the file /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu
Nov 17 20:06:21 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, mmm i dont understand well what i do next:), can u say it clearly?
Nov 17 20:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> if you want to go desparate last means, then delete /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu - might help or might require reflash
Nov 17 20:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, there are more experienced hildon-desktop hackers around here than me
Nov 17 20:08:56 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: as I understand it, your hildon-menu process has messed up one or several of the files (in)  /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu, /usr/share/applications/hildon/*.desktop
Nov 17 20:09:38 <DocScrutinizer> there's no way except restore from backup to cope with every possible weirdness that might have sneaked in
Nov 17 20:10:34 <janne123> and what i do? i dont understand linux(first almost real linux device, before tha android):)
Nov 17 20:10:34 <DocScrutinizer> maybe somebody else has better advice for you, I'm out of ideas
Nov 17 20:11:18 <janne123> and dont lost your mind if im asking stupid questions...
Nov 17 20:11:27 <janne123> loose*
Nov 17 20:13:54 <BCMM> maemo is a totally real linux
Nov 17 20:14:05 <janne123> okay:)
Nov 17 20:14:16 <janne123> android isnt and i use windows in pc
Nov 17 20:14:25 <BCMM> yeah, android is a bit of a mess
Nov 17 20:14:41 <BCMM> not technically linux, and very certainly not a traditional "GNU/Linux"
Nov 17 20:14:46 <janne123> but im confused and i need help with my problem
Nov 17 20:18:25 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, okay i want try anything what u say, say me something things what i should try, plz
Nov 17 20:19:09 <crashanddie_> haha
Nov 17 20:19:25 <janne123> what are u laughing?:)
Nov 17 20:19:44 <crashanddie_> getting an advert using the windows XP colours, with a "Your computer might be infected with virii"
Nov 17 20:20:01 <luke-jr> uh
Nov 17 20:20:02 <crashanddie_> WHile I'm browsing using my PS3
Nov 17 20:20:06 <luke-jr> Maemo is no more "real Linux" than Android is
Nov 17 20:20:16 <DocScrutinizer> mv /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu-hide;killall hildon-desktop; <check>; mv /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu-hide /etc/xdg/menus/hildon.menu. killall hildon-desktop; mv /usr/share/applications/hildon/* /usr/share/applications/hildon-hide; <move one by one back to the original dir; see when it breaks>
Nov 17 20:20:25 * CutMeOwnThroat wonders what "real Linux" and what "unreal Linux" is
Nov 17 20:20:34 <luke-jr> on the other hand, Zaurus predate both by years and were far closer to "real Linux"
Nov 17 20:20:42 <DocScrutinizer> maybe somebody can janne123 walk thru this advice
Nov 17 20:20:45 <DocScrutinizer> I have to run
Nov 17 20:20:48 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: "real Linux" is something Linus releases, or at least is compatible with it
Nov 17 20:20:54 <luke-jr> Maemo and Android are neither
Nov 17 20:21:20 <luke-jr> they both require custom hacks to the kernel, at least
Nov 17 20:21:20 <SpeedEvil> Maemo is a lot closer to it than android
Nov 17 20:21:31 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: not really
Nov 17 20:22:03 <SpeedEvil> oh - I thought this was another OS discussion
Nov 17 20:22:27 <luke-jr> …
Nov 17 20:23:54 <SpeedEvil> If you speak of kernels, then yes, this is different.
Nov 17 20:23:59 <SpeedEvil> Speaking of kernels.
Nov 17 20:24:05 * SpeedEvil leaves to make popcorn.
Nov 17 20:24:35 <CutMeOwnThroat> luke-jr, what do you mean... they just need drivers for the hardware...
Nov 17 20:24:39 <janne123> can i restore phone(hildon) somehow? i dont want loose my apps but if its only change then i do it
Nov 17 20:24:47 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: you got a recent backup?
Nov 17 20:24:55 <CutMeOwnThroat> luke-jr, and that's not uncommon? see nvidia, ati, ...
Nov 17 20:25:04 <jacekowski> btw. MfE is working
Nov 17 20:25:18 <jacekowski> i had to delete account
Nov 17 20:25:20 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: no, not just drivers
Nov 17 20:25:28 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: and nVidia+Linux is not real Linux
Nov 17 20:25:34 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: start osso-backup and restore the desktop and menu settings
Nov 17 20:25:37 <jacekowski> as simply enabling e-mail sync wouldn't work
Nov 17 20:25:42 <CutMeOwnThroat> looks real enough for me
Nov 17 20:25:48 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, i bought this yesterday(my friends old device) and i havent backuped it yet
Nov 17 20:25:49 <luke-jr> CutMeOwnThroat: it's proprietary
Nov 17 20:26:08 <DocScrutinizer> hell, so reflash it then
Nov 17 20:26:09 <luke-jr> anyhow, the key thing here is the userland APIs
Nov 17 20:26:12 <wmarone> CutMeOwnThroat: luke-jr fits the definition of FOSS zealot ;)
Nov 17 20:26:20 <luke-jr> Maemo requires custom kernel<->userland APIs that are not supported by Linux
Nov 17 20:26:37 <jacekowski> luke-jr: transition between user mode and kernel mode takes time
Nov 17 20:26:43 <luke-jr> …
Nov 17 20:26:45 <jacekowski> luke-jr: not really
Nov 17 20:26:50 <luke-jr> yes really
Nov 17 20:26:52 <jacekowski> there is no need for them
Nov 17 20:26:54 <janne123> DocScrutinizer, i have fixed it and its ready now, i have a lot of work if i reflash:)
Nov 17 20:26:54 <DocScrutinizer> ~tell janne123 about flash
Nov 17 20:27:08 <luke-jr> try booting Maemo with a MeeGo kernel (which is vanilla + drivers)
Nov 17 20:27:17 <jacekowski> luke-jr: it's all just ugly implemented drivers
Nov 17 20:28:06 <luke-jr> it's the same problem as Android
Nov 17 20:28:20 <jacekowski> but really
Nov 17 20:28:25 <jacekowski> you have bootreason
Nov 17 20:28:28 <jacekowski> that's not critical
Nov 17 20:28:37 <jacekowski> and what else
Nov 17 20:28:47 <luke-jr> it's critical if Maemo won't boot without it
Nov 17 20:28:59 <CutMeOwnThroat> wmarone, it kind of became apparent :)
Nov 17 20:29:09 <jacekowski> luke-jr: dsme doesn't really need it
Nov 17 20:29:25 <DocScrutinizer> maemo doesn't really need dsme
Nov 17 20:29:27 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 17 20:29:58 <kthomas_vh> OT:  any way to revert the web interface on Ovi Maps to what it was three months ago?
Nov 17 20:30:08 <DocScrutinizer> btw are we talking bout maemo-the-kernel or maemo-the-system here?
Nov 17 20:30:21 <luke-jr> Maemo the system
Nov 17 20:31:12 <DocScrutinizer> uhuh. And you claim a random system should boot on any random kernel as long as both are linux as you define it?
Nov 17 20:31:20 <janne123> can i backup apps before reflash and restore them after it?
Nov 17 20:31:31 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 17 20:31:35 <jacekowski> go to backup app
Nov 17 20:31:42 <jacekowski> and make a backup
Nov 17 20:31:43 <janne123> what it is?
Nov 17 20:31:45 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: yes
Nov 17 20:31:52 <luke-jr> well
Nov 17 20:31:54 <jacekowski> janne123: there is backup app in menu
Nov 17 20:31:57 <luke-jr> not necessarily any random kernel
Nov 17 20:32:02 <luke-jr> but at least one released by Linus ;)
Nov 17 20:32:03 <DocScrutinizer> yes, see
Nov 17 20:32:09 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Nov 17 20:32:10 <jacekowski> janne123: just backup to SD card not to internal memory if you want to flash it
Nov 17 20:32:25 <jacekowski> luke-jr: there are no drivers in stock kernel
Nov 17 20:32:42 <luke-jr> jacekowski: sure. but that's a problem between N900 and Linux
Nov 17 20:32:44 <luke-jr> not Linux and Maemo
Nov 17 20:32:48 <janne123> i dont maybe see backup app because i have lost most of apps:)
Nov 17 20:33:24 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: use xterm, osso-backup
Nov 17 20:33:47 <janne123> thanks
Nov 17 20:34:35 <janne123> are u sure that backup apps in my case?
Nov 17 20:34:57 <janne123> because it doesnt see apps in menu...
Nov 17 20:35:13 <DocScrutinizer> janne123: be aware that a restore of your current broken system might result in same problem again. So make a backup of your fresh clean system before restoring backup you're doing now
Nov 17 20:35:37 <DocScrutinizer> s/fresh/fresh flashed/
Nov 17 20:35:37 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: janne123: be aware that a restore of your current broken system might result in same problem again. So make a backup of your fresh flashed clean system before restoring backup you're doing now
Nov 17 20:36:43 <janne123> 0,1MB, is it too little backup?
Nov 17 20:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> nope, sounds ok
Nov 17 20:37:18 <janne123> now i try if i can...
Nov 17 20:37:30 <DocScrutinizer> it's only backing up the settings and a list of apps installed
Nov 17 20:38:12 <janne123> and what i do with list of apps?
Nov 17 20:38:23 <DocScrutinizer> you'll need internet on N900 to restore
Nov 17 20:38:37 <DocScrutinizer> on restore it installs all apps new
Nov 17 20:38:38 <janne123> ok
Nov 17 20:39:07 <DocScrutinizer> beware it also recreates your friend's mail accounts and whatnot
Nov 17 20:39:21 <janne123> ok
Nov 17 20:39:29 <DocScrutinizer> So I suggest you start from scratch
Nov 17 20:39:40 <DocScrutinizer> also much more fun
Nov 17 20:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> than a 'used' tainted system
Nov 17 20:40:54 <janne123> okay, i dont restore anything, i have a lot of work with install all apps:)
Nov 17 20:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> nah, it's easy. You can just restore the apps from backup (you can select what to restore), and you can even select particular apps from restore list. It's no work, it's fun
Nov 17 20:43:05 <DocScrutinizer> select or unselect apps from the restore list, klick ok, see it install all you want
Nov 17 20:44:00 <janne123> aa
Nov 17 20:44:05 <janne123> i restore apps then
Nov 17 20:44:44 <janne123> i live in finland, do i have to download global version?
Nov 17 20:49:58 <jigrap> do you guys know when about the nokia n910 will be released?
Nov 17 20:51:42 <janne123> i doesnt find/install drivers...
Nov 17 20:52:09 <Mece_> oooh wait has summer glau been on chuck before?
Nov 17 20:52:26 <ShadowJK> jigrap, I don't think it exists
Nov 17 20:52:49 <ShadowJK> jigrap, though people talk of "N9" too, which also doesn't officially exist
Nov 17 20:52:50 <jigrap> ShadowJK: oh but I'm sure nokia will continue the n series
Nov 17 20:52:55 <jigrap> ahh
Nov 17 20:53:16 <jigrap> I'm hoping it will run maemo
Nov 17 20:53:22 <ShadowJK> they should call it N>9000
Nov 17 20:53:55 <ShadowJK> it'll probably run either harmattan (Maemo/MeeGo hybrid), or MeeGo
Nov 17 20:54:21 <jigrap> as long as i can have a terminal and sudo gainroot :)
Nov 17 20:54:22 <RST38h> They should call it BFG9000 and include the laser
Nov 17 20:55:40 <jigrap> if the N9 is like the N8 it will have symbian :.
Nov 17 20:55:48 <Mece_> RST38h++
Nov 17 20:55:58 <Turski> jigrap: N9 will not have symbian
Nov 17 20:55:58 <RST38h> "Top officials from the FBI traveled to Silicon Valley on Tuesday to persuade Facebook and Google executives to support a proposal that would make it easier for law enforcement to wiretap the companies' users."
Nov 17 20:56:17 <Mece_> RST38h, source?
Nov 17 20:56:45 <RST38h> Mece: Google!
Nov 17 20:57:09 <jigrap> Turski: oh thats good to know then
Nov 17 20:57:17 <Mece_> RST38h, I don't like google.
Nov 17 20:57:30 <Turski> jigrap: Nokia told that N8 is the last symbian device on N-series
Nov 17 20:57:47 <jigrap> neat
Nov 17 20:57:50 <Turski> jigrap: and following devices will become with MeeGo
Nov 17 20:57:56 <RST38h> Mece: Does Google care?
Nov 17 20:58:04 <RST38h> Turski: Nothing of the sort.
Nov 17 20:58:15 <RST38h> Turski: So, don't get your hopes too high
Nov 17 20:58:25 <jigrap> megoo has terminal access and stuff like maemo?
Nov 17 20:58:31 <janne123> now i flashed it:P
Nov 17 20:58:55 <Mece_> jigrap, well vanilla meego has
Nov 17 20:58:59 <Turski> jigrap: i believe it does
Nov 17 20:59:05 <Turski> RST38h: huh?
Nov 17 20:59:20 <ShadowJK> Nokia said N8 is last Symbian^3 N-series, didn't they? And ^3 no longer "exists"...
Nov 17 20:59:31 <janne123> bye and i will come here tomorrow maybe:)
Nov 17 20:59:44 <RST38h> Hehe, they can still port Maemo5 to N8 ;)
Nov 17 21:00:10 <Turski> "[The N8] is the last of the N-Series devices that will be running on Symbian, we're migrating our N-Series portfolio to MeeGo now," said Harris. When we asked about whether the N9 would be the first MeeGo handset, the answer we got was clearly in the affirmative, though subsequent communication with Nokia has suggested this might not have been entirely accurate.
Nov 17 21:00:15 <RST38h> Andcallit RX-71 or something
Nov 17 21:00:30 <Mece_> well, if the N9 that we've seen, as photos of a leaked device, is released I'm pretty sure it will have meego or a meegoish system.
Nov 17 21:00:36 <RST38h> Turski: Does not mean a thing
Nov 17 21:00:49 <RST38h> Turski: Things change, monthly
Nov 17 21:00:51 <Turski> why wouldn't it mean?
Nov 17 21:01:09 <Kaadlajk> just google meego-harmattan
Nov 17 21:01:26 <Kaadlajk> or just harmattan
Nov 17 21:01:35 <Turski> Since publishing the information Nokia has asked us to clarify that it has not been confirmed whether the next N-Series handset after the N8 will be called the N9. It is also unconfirmed that this unnamed device will be the first to market with MeeGo
Nov 17 21:01:59 <RST38h> Oh man, "Nokia confirms that the next handset after N8 will be N9!"
Nov 17 21:02:00 <Turski> source: http://www.cnet.com.au/is-symbian-out-for-the-nokia-n-series-339304056.htm
Nov 17 21:02:03 <RST38h> What a shocker...
Nov 17 21:02:14 <Turski> RST38h: huh?
Nov 17 21:02:25 <Turski> RST38h: it did NOT confirm...
Nov 17 21:02:30 <Mece_> RST38h, what Turski said.
Nov 17 21:02:31 <nidO> Turski: that article is from June.
Nov 17 21:02:40 <Turski> nidO: well, true...
Nov 17 21:02:42 <luke-jr> jigrap: Maemo is dead
Nov 17 21:02:47 <nidO> in plans-still-being-the-same time, that might as well have dated from the last ice age.
Nov 17 21:02:51 <RST38h> Ok, nokia has not confirmed that the next handset after N8 will be N9. Is it still a shock to anyone? :)
Nov 17 21:02:58 <nidO> particularly as half of nokia's management has changed since then.
Nov 17 21:03:28 <RST38h> Anyways, I suggest you stop [once again] speculating about Nokia's plans. It has got mighty boring over the last 6 months. Sorry folks.
Nov 17 21:03:48 <RST38h> Turski: If you want to talk about it, go start a thread at talk.maemo.org.
Nov 17 21:03:57 <Mece_> RST38h, I think it's pretty interesting actually
Nov 17 21:04:19 <RST38h> Mece: Not when the same old newspaper clippings are cited for the twentieth time
Nov 17 21:04:54 <Turski> RST38h: we should just shut up and be bored then?
Nov 17 21:05:05 <nidO> Mece_: tbh the day it's interesting is the day any new information that doesnt just recant the same thing for the past 6 months comes out
Nov 17 21:05:08 <Mece_> RST38h, well ok not exactly interesting right now.
Nov 17 21:05:51 <Mece_> nidO, true. When was that n9 proto leaked? nothing interesting has come since then.
Nov 17 21:06:10 <nidO> exactly, those photos have gotta be at least 3 months old now
Nov 17 21:06:21 <Turski> but i think they confirmed that first meego device will be published within this year
Nov 17 21:07:26 <Mece_> Turski, that has changed though.
Nov 17 21:07:32 <Turski> Mece_: has it?
Nov 17 21:07:58 <Mece_> Turski, I think so. ok so maybe they will announce it this year, idunno.
Nov 17 21:08:43 <Turski> Mece_: oh, it really looks like it won't be announced before 2011
Nov 17 21:08:58 <Mece_> eyup
Nov 17 21:09:07 <Mece_> that's what they say.
Nov 17 21:09:41 <alterego> I really want to disable catorise.
Nov 17 21:09:43 <Turski> well, i will live with my N900 for long time before i'll switch to a new model ;)
Nov 17 21:09:51 <alterego> Where are the post install scripts kept?
Nov 17 21:09:54 <Turski> alterego: it really eat's the battery
Nov 17 21:10:09 <alterego> No it doesn't.
Nov 17 21:10:16 <Turski> at least did for me
Nov 17 21:10:29 <alterego> I doubt it was catorize ..
Nov 17 21:10:29 <Turski> and did that heavily
Nov 17 21:10:35 <Turski> i'm sure it was
Nov 17 21:10:45 <alterego> catorize doesn't run except when you're installing and removing software ..
Nov 17 21:10:56 <alterego> So it must have been something else.
Nov 17 21:11:58 <Turski> it caused ohmd to eat the battery somehow
Nov 17 21:12:15 <alterego> And what is ohmd?
Nov 17 21:12:20 <Turski> not sure if that happens with PR1.3
Nov 17 21:12:29 <alterego> And how do you know _it_ caused it?
Nov 17 21:13:28 <Turski> alterego: because removing it stopped that, and also lots of people are reporting about that
Nov 17 21:13:54 <Turski> http://archive.fosdem.org/2007/schedule/events/embedded_open_hardware_manager
Nov 17 21:15:19 <alterego> Turski: got a forum topic?
Nov 17 21:15:24 <alterego> Where are these people?
Nov 17 21:16:00 <Turski> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=64944&page=2
Nov 17 21:16:01 <DocScrutinizer> from recent queries here in this channel we should know N9 currently is planned with harmattan. Also http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333
Nov 17 21:16:24 <Turski> This problem is not catorise or mymenu fault... is a bug in hildon desktop triggered by this apps..
Nov 17 21:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> s/planned/planned and betatested/
Nov 17 21:16:33 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: from recent queries here in this channel we should know N9 currently is planned and betatested with harmattan. Also http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277333
Nov 17 21:16:52 <Turski> Qt and dbus - this combination forces application POLL 5 TIMES per SECOND. Instead of having time service it enforces 245msec poll() and effectively kills any battery saving efforts in kernel and anywhere.
Nov 17 21:17:49 <alterego> U-huh
Nov 17 21:17:58 <Mece_> alterego, did you find the scripts? /var/lib/dpkg/info/
Nov 17 21:18:02 <DocScrutinizer> Turski: that's not ohmd, it's kinetic scrolling
Nov 17 21:18:10 <alterego> Mece_: no, so thank you :)
Nov 17 21:18:14 <DocScrutinizer> that eats battery on cato and apmefo
Nov 17 21:18:21 <Turski> DocScrutinizer: well, that was something else then
Nov 17 21:18:40 <Turski> DocScrutinizer: huh?
Nov 17 21:18:49 <DocScrutinizer> see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools  # fix annoying hildon-desktop cpu hog bug
Nov 17 21:18:56 <alterego> Presumably catorize.triggers
Nov 17 21:19:22 <DocScrutinizer> short app starter menu trigers
Nov 17 21:19:38 <DocScrutinizer> catoraize and apmefo make short menues
Nov 17 21:20:20 <DocScrutinizer> kinetic scrolling will bounce off exactly zero pixels wide from upper and lower border
Nov 17 21:21:27 <sp3000> $ag $@ should be $ag "$@"
Nov 17 21:21:58 <sp3000> not that you'll usually call apt-get with arguments containing spaces, but, for the sake of correctness anyhow
Nov 17 21:22:33 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
Nov 17 21:23:48 <DocScrutinizer> was a 5 minutes hack
Nov 17 21:23:56 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Nov 17 21:26:34 <gustavoferreira> hello everyone, i'm sorry for this question but i have to make it in order to communicate with you. I was using xchat but i don't know why it is always going down so i installed irssi and it is good, but it hasn't (at least i thing a lot of capabilities others GUI irc clients has, so what irc client do you use? Once again, sorry for this question but i want to connect to this channel and i'm always going down, help please. Thank you
Nov 17 21:27:16 <Mece_> hee http://bit.ly/drMzEP
Nov 17 21:27:41 <kerio> haha what
Nov 17 21:27:56 <kerio> irssi is way ahead any other IRC client existing
Nov 17 21:28:07 <kerio> how's xchat going "down"?
Nov 17 21:29:05 <DocScrutinizer> xchat WAS segfaulting in former times by a bug in hildon autocompletion/spellcheck/someshit - how this didn't resurrect
Nov 17 21:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> hope*
Nov 17 21:29:13 <gustavoferreira> ohh, i'm sorry then, for my wrong assuption. Well, i connect to freenode and then when i enter maemo channel it just goes off.
Nov 17 21:29:22 <SpeedEvil> xchat just works for me.
Nov 17 21:29:26 <SpeedEvil> 'goes off'?
Nov 17 21:29:50 <gustavoferreira> sorry for my bad english, what i mean is, the application goes down
Nov 17 21:29:52 <DocScrutinizer> xchat works absolutely fine since 8months+ for me
Nov 17 21:30:05 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: in a row? :o
Nov 17 21:30:05 <gustavoferreira> it had worked fine to me too
Nov 17 21:30:15 <DocScrutinizer> kerio: ?
Nov 17 21:30:29 <kerio> you opened xchat 8 months ago and never quit it?
Nov 17 21:30:37 <gustavoferreira> yrecently, i don't know whythe applciation goes down
Nov 17 21:30:55 <DocScrutinizer> well, apart from occasional N900 boots... nope, never quit xchat
Nov 17 21:31:35 <DocScrutinizer> gustavoferreira: did you update during last 4 days, and did it start then?
Nov 17 21:32:07 <Jef91> "Always flash the FIASCO image first, then the eMMC image immediately after that." What is the FIASCO image?
Nov 17 21:32:08 <gustavoferreira> sorry, i maybe induced you in error, i was talking about xchat-gnome and i was openning it on ubuntu
Nov 17 21:32:25 <gustavoferreira> yreally sorry if i made you though that was an error on xchat for maemo
Nov 17 21:33:01 <gustavoferreira> thought*
Nov 17 21:33:07 <DocScrutinizer> Jef91: that's not exactly true, and the better sequence is other way round. Anyway FIASCO is the COMBINED img, and eMMC is the VANILA file
Nov 17 21:34:26 <Jef91> kk
Nov 17 21:34:34 <Jef91> flashing vinilla and then going back to PR1.2
Nov 17 21:34:41 <Jef91> where hopefully my headset will work again
Nov 17 21:34:59 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Nov 17 21:35:05 <pupnik_> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=geqip_0Vjec  High-precision autonomous quadcopter control: U of Pennsylvania.    DocScrutinizer SpeedEvil kerio RST38h
Nov 17 21:35:47 <Jef91> can I flash this vanilla "RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin" and then PR 1.2 or think that might break things?
Nov 17 21:35:55 <kerio> pupnik_: oooold
Nov 17 21:37:13 <pupnik_> oh
Nov 17 21:37:24 <DocScrutinizer> switch off the red lamps and it's lost. Ask lcuk why that is
Nov 17 21:37:42 <pupnik_> lcuk: why is that?
Nov 17 21:38:02 <pupnik_> kerio: grow up.  video is 9/15/10
Nov 17 21:38:15 <DocScrutinizer> there's been a part-I
Nov 17 21:38:52 <DocScrutinizer> part-II is definitely even cooler. Though I loved the landing on walls and ceiling in part-I
Nov 17 21:39:51 <DocScrutinizer> those dudes over in Pensilvania know to party :-P
Nov 17 21:40:02 <SpeedEvil> kerio: yeah - old video is old
Nov 17 21:40:11 <kerio> thank you
Nov 17 21:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MvRTALJp8DM&NR=1
Nov 17 21:42:20 <pupnik_> http://www.grasp.upenn.edu/research/highlights
Nov 17 21:43:17 * Dhraakellian tries out communi to see how it compares to xchat
Nov 17 21:45:35 <jacekowski> problem with this stuff is battery life and power and weight and maneuverability
Nov 17 21:48:04 <Mece_> DocScrutinizer, WANT
Nov 17 21:48:36 <kerio> mece: www.ardrone.com
Nov 17 21:48:53 <jacekowski> kerio: WOW
Nov 17 21:49:09 <kerio> not really the same thing, but it's close
Nov 17 21:49:21 <DocScrutinizer> well, maneuverability seems exactly one of the least problems these critters have :-D
Nov 17 21:49:54 <Mece_> kerio, not even remotely close. ok it's a quad rotor, but that's where similarities end.
Nov 17 21:50:05 <Mece_> kerio, we have one of those at work.
Nov 17 21:50:38 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: probably by moving their problem into battery life direction
Nov 17 21:50:46 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 17 21:50:52 <DocScrutinizer> you *hear* it
Nov 17 21:51:44 <DocScrutinizer> micro gas turbine with generator
Nov 17 21:52:45 <CaCO3> Hi all
Nov 17 21:52:56 <crashanddie_> Mece_: look into arduimu
Nov 17 21:53:14 <CaCO3> I have a question about the python version in the latest SDK
Nov 17 21:53:35 <CaCO3> it seems to be python2.3. Is there a way to upgrade it?
Nov 17 21:53:51 <jacekowski> that's expensive
Nov 17 21:53:57 <jacekowski> £299
Nov 17 21:54:05 <CaCO3> I am trying to use shedskin, but it does not work with python2.3
Nov 17 21:54:08 <jacekowski> considering that they went cheap way with motors and batteries
Nov 17 21:54:28 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 17 21:55:17 <jacekowski> 2 carbon fiber sticks
Nov 17 21:55:22 <jacekowski> bits of glue
Nov 17 21:55:25 <jacekowski> some electronics
Nov 17 21:55:28 <jacekowski> 4 motors
Nov 17 21:55:33 <jacekowski> battery pack
Nov 17 21:55:41 <jacekowski> and propelers
Nov 17 21:55:46 <DocScrutinizer> plus shitloads of electronics :-P
Nov 17 21:56:11 <jacekowski> just a gyro and motor controllers
Nov 17 21:56:18 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Nov 17 21:56:20 <jacekowski> and it's only pwm based stuff probably
Nov 17 21:56:32 <Mece_> it's pretty overpriced for the quality though. toy grade, not hobby grade.
Nov 17 21:56:37 <jacekowski> single transistor
Nov 17 21:56:47 <jacekowski> Mece_: exactly
Nov 17 21:56:50 <Mece_> but it is pretty cool.
Nov 17 21:56:59 <DocScrutinizer> oh you're talking bout the ardrone?
Nov 17 21:57:05 <Mece_> yes.
Nov 17 21:57:05 <jacekowski> i don't have iCrap so i can't buy it
Nov 17 21:57:07 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: yes
Nov 17 21:57:49 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, the iCrapApp is the most expensive part of it :-P
Nov 17 21:58:23 <jacekowski> how much does iCrapApp cost?
Nov 17 21:58:43 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
Nov 17 21:58:56 <DocScrutinizer> but without it wouldn't sell at all
Nov 17 21:59:34 <DocScrutinizer> so clearly a toy for apple nerds
Nov 17 22:00:01 <DocScrutinizer> and those always were willing to pay more
Nov 17 22:00:21 <DocScrutinizer> if it has a lower case "i" in front
Nov 17 22:00:24 <Mece_> DocScrutinizer, well not nerds. Nerds would want oss to be able to make it autonomous :)
Nov 17 22:01:02 <jacekowski> Mece_: nerds reversed app
Nov 17 22:02:00 <Mece_> jacekowski, que?
Nov 17 22:02:23 <DocScrutinizer> sdren ppa
Nov 17 22:02:44 <jacekowski> http://www.giantcod.co.uk/epower-3200kv-35amp-brushless-helicopter-outrunner-motor-23mm-p-402335.html
Nov 17 22:02:48 <jacekowski> take a look at that
Nov 17 22:02:52 <jacekowski> Max. efficiency current: 8 - 10.5 A (>75%)
Nov 17 22:02:57 <jacekowski> and that's @10V
Nov 17 22:03:37 <jacekowski> http://www.giantcod.co.uk/xyh80100a-180kv-brushless-outrunner-7055-p-404968.html
Nov 17 22:03:39 <jacekowski> that's HUGE
Nov 17 22:04:29 <Mece_> :)
Nov 17 22:04:56 <jacekowski> http://www.giantcod.co.uk/xyh3536-1100kv-brushless-outrunner-p-402742.html
Nov 17 22:04:57 <jacekowski> 10 quid
Nov 17 22:05:03 <Macer> uhm
Nov 17 22:05:10 <jacekowski> 11V
Nov 17 22:05:13 <Macer> can you fly it with your n900?
Nov 17 22:05:15 <Macer> lol
Nov 17 22:06:16 <Macer> there an ssh app to make ssh shortcuts on your desktop in maemo?
Nov 17 22:06:33 <jacekowski> carbon fiber stuff is cheap
Nov 17 22:06:54 <Macer> blame china
Nov 17 22:08:07 <DocScrutinizer> WHAT??? 10GBP?
Nov 17 22:08:49 <jacekowski> yeah
Nov 17 22:08:51 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: sp $10,000 US?
Nov 17 22:08:56 <Macer> sp/so
Nov 17 22:08:56 <jacekowski> i wasn't expecting it to be so cheap
Nov 17 22:09:04 <Mece_> DocScrutinizer, motors are cheap.
Nov 17 22:09:13 <DocScrutinizer> friggin cheap
Nov 17 22:09:23 <Mece_> escs are expensive
Nov 17 22:09:35 <DocScrutinizer> I'll mount 8 of those under my rollerscaters :-P
Nov 17 22:09:55 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: battery packs are not so cheap
Nov 17 22:10:02 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Nov 17 22:10:03 <jacekowski> 3000mAh £21
Nov 17 22:10:07 <lardman> might need brakes
Nov 17 22:10:09 <jacekowski> 11V 3 sell stuff
Nov 17 22:10:13 <lardman> 10A x 10V
Nov 17 22:10:32 <jacekowski> battery drained in 20 minutes
Nov 17 22:10:44 <jacekowski> and if you do tricks and stuff and go to maximum rated 35A
Nov 17 22:10:48 <jacekowski> even faster
Nov 17 22:10:54 <DocScrutinizer> in 20 min I'm at other end of town :-D
Nov 17 22:11:02 <Mece_> is that fast enough?
Nov 17 22:11:23 <Macer> who uses batteries? go gas powered
Nov 17 22:11:24 <Mece_> 12000rpm
Nov 17 22:11:27 <Macer> lol
Nov 17 22:11:33 <jacekowski> Macer: weight
Nov 17 22:11:33 <chx> DocScrutinizer: you must be living in some small town
Nov 17 22:11:45 <jacekowski> chx: not really
Nov 17 22:11:47 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, some 5 km
Nov 17 22:11:57 <Macer> jacekowski: gas is heavier than batteries?
Nov 17 22:12:02 <jacekowski> Macer: yes
Nov 17 22:12:11 * lardman feels the pain of a 25 kB/s download
Nov 17 22:12:12 <jacekowski> Macer: because motors are heavier
Nov 17 22:12:13 <Macer> batteries are pretty heavy
Nov 17 22:12:22 <jacekowski> Macer: and not as responsive
Nov 17 22:12:30 <Mece_> batteries are very good for small stuff.
Nov 17 22:12:46 <jacekowski> electric can go to full speed before you notice
Nov 17 22:12:51 <DocScrutinizer> turbine + generator FTW
Nov 17 22:13:20 <DocScrutinizer> plus a *small* LiIon for buffering peaks
Nov 17 22:13:36 <jacekowski> supercapacitor
Nov 17 22:13:45 <DocScrutinizer> much too heavy
Nov 17 22:15:01 <jacekowski> hmm, maybe self lifting glider sort of thing
Nov 17 22:15:04 <jacekowski> small battery
Nov 17 22:15:12 <jacekowski> built mostly with solar cells
Nov 17 22:15:16 <luke-jr> how long until ARM gets power consumption down where you can just leave N900 out in the sun to charge?
Nov 17 22:15:20 <jacekowski> and it can fly for hours
Nov 17 22:15:33 <jacekowski> luke-jr: 20 years into past
Nov 17 22:15:40 <luke-jr> XD
Nov 17 22:16:20 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: n900 sized solar cell will charge n900 in 6 hours or so.
Nov 17 22:16:22 <jacekowski> i mean, full size glider can glide or hours
Nov 17 22:16:39 <luke-jr> SpeedEvil: is that fast enough to run it?
Nov 17 22:16:43 <jacekowski> so make similiar but smaller
Nov 17 22:16:44 <luke-jr> not really
Nov 17 22:16:49 <luke-jr> since discharge is ~4 hrs at best
Nov 17 22:16:49 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: And the backlight is usually the biggest user.
Nov 17 22:16:54 <SpeedEvil> luke-jr: Or the modem
Nov 17 22:17:06 <SpeedEvil> Just being 'on' doesn't use much.
Nov 17 22:17:17 <luke-jr> just being 'on' is useless w/o modem :P
Nov 17 22:17:43 <Macer> haha
Nov 17 22:18:11 <luke-jr> not as useless as Macer, but still useless
Nov 17 22:18:13 <luke-jr> >☺
Nov 17 22:19:21 <Macer> lmao
Nov 17 22:19:27 <Macer> maybe :)
Nov 17 22:19:43 <Macer> i did pretty good with my n810 and it didnt have a modem
Nov 17 22:19:52 <Macer> as much as i wish it did
Nov 17 22:19:56 <Macer> :)
Nov 17 22:20:08 <Macer> wonder if the wimax n810s are still out there
Nov 17 22:20:32 <sp3000> gliding
Nov 17 22:44:45 <Afteris> hey'a! best phone owners ;)
Nov 17 22:55:42 <vanadismobile> hai
Nov 17 22:55:54 <DocScrutinizer> phone's best owners
Nov 17 22:56:16 <vanadismobile> could anyone pls tell me how to reformat a memory card in n900?
Nov 17 22:56:32 <DocScrutinizer> context menu in HFM
Nov 17 22:57:26 <vanadismobile> doesn't work, is there a way in xterm?
Nov 17 22:57:52 <DocScrutinizer> though it seems it fails for non standard partitionings and for borked / weird filesystems
Nov 17 22:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 17 22:58:53 <DocScrutinizer> sfdisk (don't ask me how) or cfdisk (maybe in tools or extras-devel?), then mkfs.ext3 or mkfs.vfat or whatever you like
Nov 17 22:59:23 <vanadismobile> okay, i'll give it a try
Nov 17 22:59:26 <vanadismobile> thx
Nov 17 22:59:29 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Nov 17 23:23:56 <FIQ|n900> Hm, is there any software for using N900 as bluetooth tgb?
Nov 17 23:24:07 <FIQ|n900> My own has borked, if anyone wonders why
Nov 17 23:24:07 <jacekowski> tgb?
Nov 17 23:24:10 <FIQ|n900> er
Nov 17 23:24:13 <FIQ|n900> keybd*
Nov 17 23:24:23 <jacekowski> i saw something
Nov 17 23:24:27 <jacekowski> i never used it
Nov 17 23:24:32 <jacekowski> but apparently there is something
Nov 17 23:24:35 <FIQ|n900> ok
Nov 17 23:24:40 <FIQ|n900> interesting
Nov 17 23:24:41 <jacekowski> can't remember it's name
Nov 17 23:24:46 <FIQ|n900> aw
Nov 17 23:24:49 <jacekowski> simple software
Nov 17 23:24:52 * FIQ|n900 tries google
Nov 17 23:24:54 <jacekowski> with 3 buttons on main screen
Nov 17 23:24:57 <jacekowski> bluez
Nov 17 23:24:58 <jacekowski> no
Nov 17 23:25:02 <FIQ|n900> k
Nov 17 23:25:11 <jacekowski> no
Nov 17 23:25:12 <Afteris> talk.maemo.org
Nov 17 23:25:14 <jacekowski> google will help
Nov 17 23:27:05 <FIQ|n900> argh, just getting the reverse way. D:
Nov 17 23:27:20 <jacekowski> that's simple
Nov 17 23:27:23 <jacekowski> n900 can do it ootb
Nov 17 23:28:12 <jacekowski> bluemaemo
Nov 17 23:28:15 <FIQ|n900> I don't really think that it can't, it's just BT commands
Nov 17 23:28:26 <FIQ|n900> but well, a software would ease it. lP
Nov 17 23:28:27 <FIQ|n900> oh
Nov 17 23:28:29 <FIQ|n900> ty
Nov 17 23:28:36 <FIQ|n900> :P*
Nov 17 23:38:19 <Lantizia> anyway I can boot the N900 in any kind of safe mode?  took some advice off someone here last night and now it's bricked (backlight turns on - gets no further)
Nov 17 23:44:48 <FIQ|n900> hm
Nov 17 23:44:51 <FIQ|n900> ImportError: failed to import D-Bus bindings
Nov 17 23:44:59 <FIQ|n900> Nope, bluemaemo didn't work
Nov 17 23:49:54 <DocScrutinizer51> Lantizia: which advice? what did you do?
Nov 17 23:49:54 <DocScrutinizer51> Lantizia: and no, there's no general safe mode to deal with such a situation
Nov 17 23:50:29 <Lantizia> DocScrutinizer, you remember I was told to alter the daemon.conf file for pulseaudio?
Nov 17 23:50:44 <DocScrutinizer51> nope, sorry
Nov 17 23:50:59 <Lantizia> you were talking at the same time but it wasn't you
Nov 17 23:52:23 <DocScrutinizer51> well, that shouldn't cause a hang on BL blank sceen
Nov 17 23:54:21 <lardman> what % of people have Python installed do you think?
Nov 17 23:54:33 <lardman> where people is those with an N900
Nov 17 23:54:35 <DocScrutinizer51> 90
Nov 17 23:54:48 <Lantizia> DocScrutinizer, can I enable that R&D mode (so if something fails it continues) without reflashing?
Nov 17 23:54:57 <lardman> ok, thats reasonable - just thinking about making it a dep for a plugin
Nov 17 23:55:07 <DocScrutinizer51> yes you can
Nov 17 23:55:09 <gustavoferreira> hi everyone, i don't know why but my phone (n900) doesn't play the sound of the video on the boot, does anyone know what could be the issue?
Nov 17 23:57:14 <DocScrutinizer51> gustavoferreira: severe misconfig
Nov 17 23:57:35 <DocScrutinizer51> or hw defect
Nov 17 23:57:47 <gustavoferreira> but it played some time ago
Nov 17 23:58:01 <DocScrutinizer51> reflash
Nov 17 23:58:26 <gustavoferreira> so there is no config i can make to change that?
Nov 17 23:58:28 <DocScrutinizer51> you got sound in normal operation?
Nov 17 23:58:31 <gustavoferreira> yes
Nov 17 23:58:39 <gustavoferreira> on both, speakers and headphones
Nov 17 23:58:40 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmm
Nov 17 23:58:45 <DocScrutinizer51> strange
Nov 17 23:59:03 <Lantizia> DocScrutinizer, I've not lost anything if I reflash just the 256mb bit anyway right? (just app's - no data like contacts / emails / text messages etc)
Nov 17 23:59:06 <gustavoferreira> and it used to play on the boot video
Nov 17 23:59:09 <Afteris> any good maemo,n900 tweets?
Nov 17 23:59:09 <DocScrutinizer51> silent mode?
Nov 17 23:59:28 <Afteris> not app
Nov 18 00:00:05 <gustavoferreira> i had that on, but then i put it with sound and tried 3 times always checking that it was with the sound activated, but no sound on the boot video
Nov 18 00:00:33 <gustavoferreira> (the video where it appears an handshake)
Nov 18 00:01:10 <gustavoferreira> DocScrutinizer51: one question apart, are you the same guy DocScrutinizer??
Nov 18 00:01:42 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Nov 18 00:01:47 <gustavoferreira> ok ;)
Nov 18 00:02:01 <DocScrutinizer51> use /whois
Nov 18 00:02:27 <Afteris> hola chickas :)
Nov 18 00:02:35 <Afteris> any good tweets?
Nov 18 00:02:37 <gustavoferreira> i'm sorry, i'm new on this thing called irc :p but i'm getting used to
Nov 18 00:04:10 <Afteris> panovie ktos vie dobre tweety? gal kas zino gerus tweetus? mozet kto znajey harashyje tweety?
Nov 18 00:04:44 <alterego> Just registered a publishing account on Ovi
Nov 18 00:05:14 <Afteris> making webpage for n900
Nov 18 00:05:36 <Afteris> thinking about make n900 maemo tweet section
Nov 18 00:06:47 <||jess|> hi. I'm new to maemo. And want to install preenv which is in devel. When I choose preenv, I see it pulls lots of depencies. How can I know where those depencies come from. If those deps. exist in extras, wouldn't want to pull those from devel, would I?
Nov 18 00:07:46 <Termana> good morning
Nov 18 00:08:36 <alterego> g'moaning Termana
Nov 18 00:09:10 <||jess|> If I only want one package from devel, the right way would be deactivate extras-devel and then just install that one package I manually and hope it pulls the deps from extras?
Nov 18 00:09:59 <alterego> Yeah
Nov 18 00:10:27 <FIQ|n900> You can download just the package, but i guess there's a better way
Nov 18 00:10:42 <FIQ|n900> ("the package" as in, the one in -devel)
Nov 18 00:10:55 <alterego> tbh, when I installed it I downloaded just the package.
Nov 18 00:11:52 <||jess|> ok. I'm just going to download the one package I need, and hope all the deps are in extras (no devel nor testing)
Nov 18 00:12:36 <Lantizia> Does anyone know every time there is a bloody update it claims it'll do it over WLAN then tells me to use PC Suite
Nov 18 00:12:43 <Lantizia> which is *ucking pointless since I don't use windows
Nov 18 00:13:04 <mece> dammit noobmonk3y, now I'm up too late.
Nov 18 00:13:09 <lardman> night all
Nov 18 00:13:13 <tranq> hi all, I have a QT package update for PR1.2 that has appeared in my update queue.  Unfortunately, I have already upgraded to PR1.3.  Are folk aware of this?  Has the release team made a mistake?
Nov 18 00:15:20 <tranq> I'm not able to install the update (which is probably good).
Nov 18 00:15:38 <tranq> has anyone else with PR1.3 seen this issue?
Nov 18 00:17:37 <tranq> please ping me if you can repro this.  I'll file a bug report if that helps.
Nov 18 00:19:20 <jacekowski> it's probably because some package from external repository depends on old version
Nov 18 00:19:30 <tranq> issue: PR1.3 package updater reports PyQT4_Full_install (PR1.2 only) as an available update
Nov 18 00:20:35 <Crak> hi
Nov 18 00:20:43 <tranq> installed version: 4.74-maemo0      new package version: 4.75-maemo2
Nov 18 00:21:50 <Crak> how do I change the "sweep to unlock" background?
Nov 18 00:22:11 <tranq> the only external repo I have is mozilla.  I don't even have extras or devel enabled.
Nov 18 01:07:23 <DocScrutinizer> Lantizia: lrn2trnsl8 from windoofs speak to IT
Nov 18 01:11:24 <Lantizia> ?
Nov 18 01:12:23 <pupnik> playing looping .gifs with mplayer  mplayer -loop 0 -fs -fixed-vo aa.gif
Nov 18 01:13:23 <Arkenoi> funny, chinese watch phone i purchased 2.5 years ago not only works perfectly to now, but the battery shows no signs of wearing out, still lasts for 3 days
Nov 18 01:13:56 <Arkenoi> i expected it to die within one year
Nov 18 01:14:55 <ds3> Arkenoi: is that a quad band phone?
Nov 18 01:15:48 <Arkenoi> ds3, i think yes, most mediatek phones are quad band, at least chipset does support it
Nov 18 01:16:33 <Arkenoi> i wonder why 3g mtk phones are not widespread still, most chinese phones are gsm-only
Nov 18 01:17:26 <Arkenoi> and it would be handy to have bt 3g modem in a wristwatch
Nov 18 01:17:45 <SpeedEvil> 3G modems use comparatively stupid amounts of battery.
Nov 18 01:19:18 <ds3> Arkenoi: do they support the DUN profile?
Nov 18 01:19:25 <Arkenoi> ds3, yes
Nov 18 01:19:34 <ds3> now I am tempted to get one
Nov 18 01:19:54 <ds3> 3G for TMO would be nice though
Nov 18 01:20:22 <Arkenoi> i frequently used it as backup cellular internet connection for my notebook
Nov 18 01:22:03 <Arkenoi> the sim card that is in my n900 has ridiculously expensive data plan, still ok for "smartphone" use but definitely out of the question if guest windows 2008 in a virtualbox wants to get some updates :-)
Nov 18 01:22:37 <SpeedEvil> :)
Nov 18 01:22:40 <sp3000> Crak: I've seen themes do such things, I think
Nov 18 01:23:12 <Crak> thanks, I found theme customizer from extras-devel
Nov 18 01:24:09 <Arkenoi> hmm, google says it is tri-band (cect w600)
Nov 18 01:24:34 <ds3> windows needs to be prohibited.
Nov 18 01:26:00 <Arkenoi> there is a newer version available now, but (*facepalm*) it has a fatal misfeature: while in standby mode (screen backlight off), the screen image does not get updated, making it totally unusable as wristwatch :-))
Nov 18 01:26:03 <Arkenoi> mine is ok
Nov 18 01:38:47 <DocScrutinizer> Lantizia: "please use FooBar winows suite to update" is windoze-noob-speak what is what Nokia thinks is N900 target customers. For everybody with a minimum of IT knowledge that means "there are conflicts or problems n upgrade the stupid SSU in HAM can't solve". This doesn't mean *you* can't solve them
Nov 18 01:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> don't blame *me* for the wording in this notification. I never got the point how Nokia could sell a Linux based device to a target customer group of windows gasheads
Nov 18 01:46:41 <DocScrutinizer> make it basically work, pusblish howtos for Linux geeks, try to tune wording and experience towards (windoze) mass market: OK.  --  Advertise to Joe Luser mass market, tune initial wording and experience to windoze noobs, then make it work evetually: FAILWALE
Nov 18 02:07:28 <Psi> is there a free full version of angry birds with ads for n900 yet?
Nov 18 02:28:02 <gustavo-ferreira> Psi: lol, no... there is a main application for free
Nov 18 02:28:13 <gustavo-ferreira> with the first pack
Nov 18 02:28:33 <gustavo-ferreira> then there are more two pack, witch you have to pay for them, 2€ i believe
Nov 18 02:31:22 <Psi> yeah
Nov 18 02:31:23 <gustavo-ferreira> a tomada
Nov 18 02:31:35 <Psi> just wondered if it was going to get the full free version with ads, like android has
Nov 18 02:36:17 <gustavo-ferreira> well, that i don't know, i just know that, for now you have to pay it
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