**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Nov 22 02:59:58 2010
Nov 22 03:38:57 <iluminator101> is there app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo?
Nov 22 03:41:20 <iluminator101> is there an app similar to bd remote in driod in maemo?
Nov 22 03:42:39 <pupnik> what?
Nov 22 03:42:59 <pupnik> is there an app similar to fapm in android?
Nov 22 04:26:43 <iluminator101> has anyone used wireshark in n900 do i have to give it permission to run, is dumpcap available in repos
Nov 22 04:31:47 <pupnik> 1) yes 2) iirc it needs root 3) i don't know
Nov 22 04:41:58 <jase21> Suppose I messed the N900 (Maemo OS). Does flashing the restore the phone to original state?
Nov 22 04:42:47 <pupnik> if you flash with the original image, basically yes
Nov 22 04:43:19 <psycho_oreos> ~flashing
Nov 22 04:43:20 <infobot> i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 22 04:43:24 <jase21> Where can I get the original image? (You mean like PR 1.2, PR 1.3)?
Nov 22 04:43:36 <psycho_oreos> read the link infobot gave
Nov 22 04:47:43 <DocScrutinizer51> bot not allowed in jeopardy :-P
Nov 22 04:48:23 * jase21 is reading that link
Nov 22 04:48:28 <psycho_oreos> what's that supposed to mean? when you need the bot in vain? :)
Nov 22 04:51:46 <jase21> ~hello
Nov 22 04:51:46 <infobot> Howdy Bub
Nov 22 04:52:12 <jase21> ~hello
Nov 22 04:52:13 <infobot> Howdy Bub
Nov 22 04:52:16 <jase21> ~hi
Nov 22 04:52:17 <infobot> hello, jase21
Nov 22 04:52:32 <jase21> ~are you stupid
Nov 22 04:52:32 <infobot> yeah
Nov 22 04:52:40 <jase21> ~I know that.
Nov 22 04:52:41 <infobot> You know that.?
Nov 22 04:53:15 <jase21> Is the infobot just matching from the database?
Nov 22 04:54:04 <jase21> The link clarifies it. Now I think I can do play with Maemo without fear
Nov 22 04:55:48 <jase21> When I connect online Maemo pops up an update notification. Its around 80 MB. Is that PR 1.3 update?
Nov 22 04:58:42 <Jay_BEE> re
Nov 22 05:45:42 <Termana> good morning
Nov 22 07:45:55 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Nov 22 08:20:44 <djszapi> How can I use '~' character (home directory) on my N900
Nov 22 08:22:10 <johnx> hit the 'fn' key then 'sym/ctrl'
Nov 22 08:22:41 <djszapi> which is the 'fn' key ?
Nov 22 08:22:54 <Appiah> 'sym'
Nov 22 08:23:04 <Appiah> below the 'sym' :D
Nov 22 08:23:08 <Appiah> blue arrow
Nov 22 08:23:19 <djszapi> does not work for me.
Nov 22 08:23:44 <johnx> does it pop up the list of symbols?
Nov 22 08:23:52 <djszapi> ah okay, it works now, I did something wrong
Nov 22 08:23:59 <Appiah> :)
Nov 22 08:24:00 <djszapi> so I can choose this character there, koolish.
Nov 22 08:24:11 <johnx> and you have to hit ~ twice before it adds it
Nov 22 08:24:25 <djszapi> yeah, kool
Nov 22 08:25:04 <djszapi> why does not the alias work in 'sudo gainroot' ?
Nov 22 08:25:27 <djszapi> I have set the /home/user/.profile and /root/.profile and it works as the 'user' user, but not as this 'sudo gainroot' stuff.
Nov 22 08:26:29 <johnx> djszapi, it might not be a 'login' shell when you gainroot, so .profile may not be read? (might be wrong)
Nov 22 08:26:39 <djszapi> no idea.
Nov 22 08:26:47 <johnx> does it work if you manually source .profile after sudo gainroot?
Nov 22 08:27:07 <djszapi> it opens up /home/user/.profile when I type vim ~/.profile in 'sudo gainroot' mode.
Nov 22 08:27:30 <johnx> yeah, so it's not running a login shell for gainroot
Nov 22 08:27:50 <djszapi> yeah, if I source it 'manually' then it works.
Nov 22 08:28:13 <djszapi> so how can I alias for the 'root' ?
Nov 22 08:28:17 <johnx> i dunno if ash reads something like a .ashrc. try and google and see if it does
Nov 22 08:28:18 <djszapi> * do an alias
Nov 22 08:28:34 <djszapi> well, profile is what you need there according to the google results.
Nov 22 08:28:43 <djszapi> but we see that it just does not work.
Nov 22 08:29:10 <johnx> yes. with bash, .profile is read for login shells, and .bashrc is read for other shells
Nov 22 08:29:14 <djszapi> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=38524
Nov 22 08:29:28 <RST38h> heya johnx
Nov 22 08:29:36 <johnx> hey RST38h
Nov 22 08:29:46 <johnx> djszapi, google: ash .ashrc
Nov 22 08:30:12 <timeless_mbp> sp3000: hrm, yeah, i suppose a purpose could be a good idea
Nov 22 08:30:24 <johnx> RST38h, how is your side of the planet?
Nov 22 08:30:50 <djszapi> maybe /etc/profile.
Nov 22 08:31:04 <djszapi> johnx: ashrc does not work
Nov 22 08:31:40 <djszapi> nor an ultimate solution though.
Nov 22 08:32:17 <djszapi> '/etc/profile' does not work either :/
Nov 22 08:33:31 <johnx> what about ~/.ashrc, the . is kinda important
Nov 22 08:35:15 <djszapi> I have already told you more times it does not work.
Nov 22 08:36:14 <johnx> you told me "ashrc" doesn't work. and you definitely didn't do the google search I suggested
Nov 22 08:36:22 <johnx> so, good luck
Nov 22 08:37:35 <djszapi> I definitely did hours ago.
Nov 22 08:37:45 <johnx> http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-users/2006-January/000450.html
Nov 22 08:37:48 <johnx> and you found that?
Nov 22 08:37:51 <johnx> and tried it?
Nov 22 08:38:24 <djszapi> and I have told you million times it did not work ?!
Nov 22 08:38:58 <djszapi> furthermore the issue is solved what is mentioned there (for simple user...)
Nov 22 08:39:15 <djszapi> but this is what I have also already told you
Nov 22 08:39:20 <johnx> another question then. did you install rootsh?
Nov 22 08:40:17 <RST38h> johnx: cold, slightly snowy
Nov 22 08:40:17 <djszapi> -
Nov 22 08:40:39 <RST38h> johnx: lights are off, probably for the next couple of months
Nov 22 08:41:10 <johnx> RST38h, that outside-light? it's pretty unreliable here in the best of times
Nov 22 08:41:29 <johnx> djszapi, if you just install rootsh and run root, root's .profile is sourced since it uses a login shell
Nov 22 08:41:38 <djszapi> k
Nov 22 08:42:54 <djszapi> does not work here.
Nov 22 08:42:59 <djszapi> after that package installation.
Nov 22 08:43:06 <djszapi> http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/rootsh/1.5/
Nov 22 08:43:27 <johnx> so you install rootsh, you run 'root' instead of 'sudo gainroot' and export's put in root's .profile don't work?
Nov 22 08:43:41 <johnx> cause they do work here...
Nov 22 08:43:41 <djszapi> ahh not sudo gainroot, I see.
Nov 22 08:44:02 <djszapi> it works that way, ty.
Nov 22 08:44:16 <johnx> djszapi, when you're busy criticizing me for not reading what you said, you should at least make sure you read what I said :P
Nov 22 08:44:51 <djszapi> I do not think it is the time to blame anybody.
Nov 22 08:45:05 <djszapi> I just did not know this rootsh package and you enlighted me how to use, everybody is happy.
Nov 22 08:45:05 <johnx> glad it works for you
Nov 22 08:45:20 <djszapi> ty =)
Nov 22 08:48:07 <RST38h> johnx: yea, inside works fine :)
Nov 22 08:48:40 <johnx> RST38h, well, that's all that really matters. those outside-light things are basically legacy systems as far as I care
Nov 22 08:49:03 <johnx> aren't they up for replacement soon?
Nov 22 08:50:07 <RST38h> johnx: they are, but I am not sure humans are in the new design document
Nov 22 08:50:48 <johnx> RST38h, I should make sure I get myself written in as a requirement then
Nov 22 08:51:36 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: wait, why aren't split files with proper start and end times ok?
Nov 22 08:52:05 <kerio> (re:music bought online)
Nov 22 08:52:28 <RST38h> johnx: the specs have been sent by the upper management and we are not there =)
Nov 22 08:53:01 <johnx> guess it's time for a little bribe money to grease the wheels and good lobbyist :>
Nov 22 08:55:58 <RST38h> johnx: Haven't we crucified the last one? =)
Nov 22 08:56:36 <johnx> RST38h, yeah. wonder if that's a sore point
Nov 22 09:13:09 <Venemo_N900> hi
Nov 22 09:14:41 <Venemo_N900> good morning MohammadAG
Nov 22 09:17:49 <Venemo_N900> what is the hildon-initscripts package?
Nov 22 09:20:34 <johnx> Venemo_N900, apt-cache show hildon-initscripts
Nov 22 09:20:51 <johnx> and for specific files: dpkg -L hildon-initscripts
Nov 22 09:21:57 <Venemo_N900> johnx: thx
Nov 22 09:22:12 <johnx> in this case 'hildon' means 'miscellaneous' and 'initscripts' means 'config files and utilities'
Nov 22 09:22:53 <Venemo_N900> johnx: yeah
Nov 22 09:23:02 <Venemo_N900> but why did it get updated?
Nov 22 09:23:19 <johnx> when?
Nov 22 09:23:26 <johnx> with PR1.3?
Nov 22 09:23:54 <Venemo_N900> no, I guess it was in the community ssu repo
Nov 22 09:24:04 <Venemo_N900> just made me curious
Nov 22 09:24:10 <johnx> looks like there's a version in tools
Nov 22 09:24:26 <johnx> probably not a good idea to take that update unless you know it's from the community SSU ..
Nov 22 09:25:03 <johnx> mornin' crashanddie
Nov 22 09:25:10 <crashanddie> morning
Nov 22 09:25:49 <Venemo_N900> johnx: maybe it was from the SDK repo? (just added that too)
Nov 22 09:26:00 <johnx> yeah. that's what I meant by 'tools'
Nov 22 09:26:14 <johnx> I would download it, and diff the files against the ones you have
Nov 22 09:26:21 <Venemo_N900> johnx: hmm
Nov 22 09:26:24 <johnx> if I had to guess, I'd bet there's a difference in 'run-standalone.sh'
Nov 22 09:29:22 <Venemo_N900> johnx: I think it would be best if I just reinstalled the right one
Nov 22 09:29:49 <johnx> that's probably a good idea ;)
Nov 22 09:39:15 <Venemo_N900> johnx: why is it that (not all, but many of) the Nokia guys are morons when it comes to bugs?
Nov 22 09:45:15 <crashanddie> The answer was in the question
Nov 22 09:45:20 <crashanddie> "the Nokia guys"
Nov 22 09:46:14 <Venemo_N900> crashanddie: yeah, but...
Nov 22 09:46:59 <Venemo_N900> they take pride in contributing to different open source communities and everything
Nov 22 09:47:17 <Venemo_N900> so why they suck with their own community then?
Nov 22 09:51:44 <Surfa> because maintenance is boring and disgusting work
Nov 22 09:51:49 <crashanddie> Why can crackwhores be really nice with customers, but can't treat their own kids well for two damns?
Nov 22 09:51:52 <Surfa> it's more fun to do new things
Nov 22 09:52:16 <crashanddie> Why does an abusive husband beat his own wife, but make tender love to his mistress?
Nov 22 09:53:21 <crashanddie> Most probably because he "owns" his own wife, and there's nothing exciting about trying to conquer her. The mistress, however, he's on the edge of losing if he's not careful, so he's very sweet and indulging
Nov 22 09:53:56 <crashanddie> Or I can go for a car analogy if this one wasn't obvious enough...
Nov 22 09:54:33 <Venemo_N900> ah
Nov 22 09:54:40 <Venemo_N900> I get it
Nov 22 09:55:05 <sjk> lardman|gone, I thitnk I did, yeah. :)
Nov 22 10:02:14 <D-Iivil_Work> f.u.c.k
Nov 22 10:03:36 <D-Iivil_Work> I'm failing to flash eMMC image.
Nov 22 10:04:38 <D-Iivil_Work> After flashing only the kernel without reboot, I command the flasher to flash Vanilla, it finds the device, says it's gonna boot the device into flash mode, after that I see the "dots" running a while, then it stops and stays there forever and flasher tells "no suitable device found"...
Nov 22 10:04:39 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: how is that?
Nov 22 10:05:25 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and try again
Nov 22 10:05:35 <D-Iivil_Work> After that the device is in non-bootable condition. I can however flash the PR1.3 image and make the device bootable again. But I really want to be able to flash the emmc and wipe the device clean..
Nov 22 10:05:44 <Venemo_N900> ~flashing
Nov 22 10:05:44 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 22 10:05:46 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, I've tried like twenty times...
Nov 22 10:05:57 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: :(
Nov 22 10:06:24 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: are you tring the newest eMMc image?
Nov 22 10:06:54 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, the latest that's available at Nokia's server.
Nov 22 10:07:01 <D-Iivil_Work> Just downloaded it this morning before started to trying to flash.
Nov 22 10:07:12 <psycho_oreos> nokia's server?
Nov 22 10:07:16 <D-Iivil_Work> But I'm gonna give Ubuntu a try if it's the old Windows XP that's failing.
Nov 22 10:07:26 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php
Nov 22 10:07:33 <psycho_oreos> ahh that
Nov 22 10:08:11 <D-Iivil_Work> Allthough the eMMC is pretty old (10.2010.13-2) compared to PR1.3 image..
Nov 22 10:08:13 <psycho_oreos> I'd normally flash via fiasco image first and then the emmc
Nov 22 10:08:26 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, that's what I've been trying to do.
Nov 22 10:08:48 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, first flashing only the kernel from PR1.3 image without reboot option, then flashing the vanilla and no-go.
Nov 22 10:08:55 <psycho_oreos> D-Iivil_Work, though no reboot in between, so its flasher without the -R switch
Nov 22 10:08:59 <psycho_oreos> hmm
Nov 22 10:09:12 <D-Iivil_Work> I also tried to flash the full PR1.3 image with and without reboots in between and still no go with vanilla.
Nov 22 10:09:16 <psycho_oreos> what if you try flashing the emmc image and then the fiasco?
Nov 22 10:09:22 <D-Iivil_Work> The device just hangs when it's supposed to be booted into flashing mode.
Nov 22 10:09:38 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, tell me how to get that damn emmc flashed and I will :D
Nov 22 10:09:43 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: what is the command you use for flashing?
Nov 22 10:09:48 <D-Iivil_Work> hold on..
Nov 22 10:10:06 <D-Iivil_Work> -F emmc_image_here.bin -f -R
Nov 22 10:10:20 <psycho_oreos> the device shouldn't reboot iirc if you didn't use -R
Nov 22 10:10:47 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, ofcourse it doesn't boot after flashing the fiasco.
Nov 22 10:10:49 <psycho_oreos> well -R will reboot the device, and so I presume you had that emmc command last?
Nov 22 10:10:55 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, yes.
Nov 22 10:11:10 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, and that's the one I can't get to pass.
Nov 22 10:11:33 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: seems ok. with what command did you flash the other image?
Nov 22 10:12:01 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, for just the fiasco: -F fiasco_image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f
Nov 22 10:12:14 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, and also: -F fiasco_image.bin -f
Nov 22 10:12:19 <psycho_oreos> hmm, what if you flash the emmc first, so it'll be -F emmc_image_here.bin -f &&  -F fiasco_image.bin -f -R
Nov 22 10:12:26 <D-Iivil_Work> Both of those are going in just nice
Nov 22 10:12:41 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, the eMMC WON'T GO IN :D
Nov 22 10:12:44 <D-Iivil_Work> This is the output of the flasher:
Nov 22 10:12:45 <D-Iivil_Work> USB device found found at bus 001, device address 006.
Nov 22 10:12:46 <D-Iivil_Work> Found device RX-51, hardware revision 2101
Nov 22 10:12:46 <D-Iivil_Work> NOLO version 1.4.13
Nov 22 10:12:46 <D-Iivil_Work> Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_002
Nov 22 10:12:46 <D-Iivil_Work> Booting device into flash mode.
Nov 22 10:12:46 <D-Iivil_Work> Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
Nov 22 10:12:48 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: ok
Nov 22 10:12:48 <psycho_oreos> probably not a good idea to flash just the kernel
Nov 22 10:13:03 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, also tried to flash the full fiasco and then emmc, but still no go.
Nov 22 10:13:05 <psycho_oreos> D-Iivil_Work, weird :)
Nov 22 10:13:11 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: use just -F imagename.bin -f
Nov 22 10:13:29 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: is your device bootable right now?
Nov 22 10:13:31 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, for the eMMC? It will_not_work. The command is correct.
Nov 22 10:13:34 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, yep.
Nov 22 10:13:45 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: well then turn it off
Nov 22 10:13:47 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, just flashed in the PR1.3 fiasco and I'm on the desktop.
Nov 22 10:14:24 <psycho_oreos> what if you flashed with pr1.2, and then emmc and when it loads up correctly, flash it with pr1.3 fiasco?
Nov 22 10:14:40 <Venemo_N900> psycho_oreos: no need
Nov 22 10:14:44 <D-Iivil_Work> psycho_oreos, will try that. Donwloading the pr1.2 fiasco atm.
Nov 22 10:15:01 <D-Iivil_Work> But the device is now shut down.
Nov 22 10:15:08 <D-Iivil_Work> Will try to flash the emmc one more time...
Nov 22 10:15:13 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: shut it down and hold the U key like you did previously and connect it to the computer
Nov 22 10:15:32 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: then just flash with the emmc image
Nov 22 10:15:40 <psycho_oreos> Venemo_N900, you have a better solution if neither flashing emmc directly works nor flashing the full fiasco image of pr1.3 and then emmc?
Nov 22 10:16:13 <RobbieThe1st> D-Iivil_Work: Note that all the required files for booting are inside the fiasco image. The emmc just sets up the partitions and potentially some (not required) files.
Nov 22 10:16:14 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, no go.
Nov 22 10:16:19 <Venemo_N900> psycho_oreos: well he only tried flashing the emmc after flashing kernel-only
Nov 22 10:16:33 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer: any idea?
Nov 22 10:16:40 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, I told I tried to flash the emmc numerous times after flashing ALSO the full fiasco.
Nov 22 10:16:44 <psycho_oreos> Venemo_N900, though he did say the full fiasco flashing didn't work :)
Nov 22 10:16:50 <Venemo_N900> oh, sorry.
Nov 22 10:17:15 <Venemo_N900> well you may wanna try from Linux too. the Windows flasher is just dumb
Nov 22 10:17:29 <D-Iivil_Work> No go, dimmed Nokia logo on the screen after the flasher says "Booting device into flash mode."
Nov 22 10:18:38 <D-Iivil_Work> Okay.. Ubuntu up and running, trying to flash there.
Nov 22 10:18:40 <psycho_oreos> that's with pr1.2?
Nov 22 10:20:10 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: a live cd should be enough for this purpose
Nov 22 10:20:12 <D-Iivil_Work> No go with flasher @ ubuntu enviroment.
Nov 22 10:20:37 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, I have one machine running Ubuntu, it just wasn't powered on.
Nov 22 10:20:41 <hrw> D-Iivil_Work: works for me
Nov 22 10:20:47 <crashanddie> D-Iivil_Work, are you trying to not be helpful or what?
Nov 22 10:21:05 <crashanddie> D-Iivil_Work, "no go" is about as useful as "abloobliblablubleh"
Nov 22 10:21:09 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: ok
Nov 22 10:21:13 <D-Iivil_Work> But same thing, the goddamn device doesn't enter into "flash mode" or what ever it is that emmc is trying to make it go :)
Nov 22 10:21:41 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, I've provided the detailed info about the state that flasher and the device goes after inputting the command to flash the emmc
Nov 22 10:21:55 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, this is what happens:
Nov 22 10:22:50 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, http://pastebin.com/aa6RQmXT
Nov 22 10:23:12 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, the actual device is on state where I can only see dimmed Nokia logo without the usb-icon on top right.
Nov 22 10:23:39 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, once it managed to show the runnind dots on dimmed backgroudn for a while and then the dots stopped moving and stayed there forever.
Nov 22 10:23:41 <RobbieThe1st> Ok, here's what you do: unplug and turn off the device. use the flasher command, then plug in the device.
Nov 22 10:23:41 <crashanddie> what version of Maemo is it running?
Nov 22 10:23:52 <RobbieThe1st> It will turn on and start flashing
Nov 22 10:23:58 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, currently it's flashed with PR1.3 fiasco
Nov 22 10:24:06 <D-Iivil_Work> RobbieThe1st, the thing is.. it won't.
Nov 22 10:24:18 <D-Iivil_Work> RobbieThe1st, I let it stay there for one hour with no change of the state.
Nov 22 10:24:31 <RobbieThe1st> No... wait.
Nov 22 10:25:14 <RobbieThe1st> You put the flasher such that it's waiting, "suitable device not found", and with the n900 -off-, plug it in.
Nov 22 10:25:17 <RobbieThe1st> what happens?
Nov 22 10:25:55 <RobbieThe1st> Take out the battery if you have to, but make sure the n900 is completely off before you plug it in via USB(and that the flasher is "waiting" also)
Nov 22 10:28:02 <D-Iivil_Work> RobbieThe1st, nothing happens if I disconnect the device on that state.
Nov 22 10:28:11 <D-Iivil_Work> RobbieThe1st, and re-connect it.
Nov 22 10:28:13 <RobbieThe1st> It doesn't turn on?
Nov 22 10:28:39 <D-Iivil_Work> RobbieThe1st, the device turn on yes, but the flasher wont' find it since it's trying to boot the device into "flash mode"
Nov 22 10:29:31 <crashanddie> Just hold the bloody u key down
Nov 22 10:29:45 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, ofcourse I'm holding it down.
Nov 22 10:29:47 <crashanddie> or whatever button it is you have to hold down in order to tell it to flash
Nov 22 10:29:50 <RobbieThe1st> I think he tried to
Nov 22 10:30:06 <RobbieThe1st> I always have done it This way: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CblPiVd1QOs (8:30+)
Nov 22 10:30:14 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, as I told.. I can successfully flash the fiasco images, but for some bizarre reason the eMMC won't go in.
Nov 22 10:30:44 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, flasher finds the device, it tells it's "Booting device into flash mode" and after that nothing, empty, halted.
Nov 22 10:30:49 <RobbieThe1st> Hm...
Nov 22 10:30:57 <crashanddie> what do you need the emmc for?
Nov 22 10:31:11 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, I want the device cleaned up from my own stuff completely.
Nov 22 10:31:33 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, ofcourse if there's a way to "format" the device without flasher, please share.
Nov 22 10:32:03 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: just format the vfat partition
Nov 22 10:32:19 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: /opt will be ereased when you flash a PR image
Nov 22 10:32:28 <crashanddie> D-Iivil_Work, your emmc is corrupt to start with
Nov 22 10:32:35 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, but all the contacts, sms's and that stuff isn't
Nov 22 10:32:45 <crashanddie> actually, no, not the emmc
Nov 22 10:32:48 <crashanddie> Your rootfs is dead
Nov 22 10:32:52 <crashanddie> or not good, anyway
Nov 22 10:33:11 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, how come? I can flash the rootfs with no problems.
Nov 22 10:33:12 <crashanddie> It should tell you "Version of sw-release': blablabla something like RX-51_2010...
Nov 22 10:33:16 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: contacts and stuff should disappear when you reflash with PR 1.3
Nov 22 10:33:24 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, it tells, I just was lazy when typing that stuff into pastebin.
Nov 22 10:33:33 <crashanddie> meh
Nov 22 10:33:36 <crashanddie> idk
Nov 22 10:33:39 <D-Iivil_Work> crashanddie, (can't copypaste from another machine into this chat window)
Nov 22 10:33:42 <crashanddie> or rather, idc
Nov 22 10:33:54 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: pastebin is for pasting, not typing
Nov 22 10:34:00 <RobbieThe1st> I'm guessing that the rootfs flashes, but that the emmc isn't read/writable so it can't copy the required files on first boot
Nov 22 10:34:04 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, :P
Nov 22 10:34:44 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, actually I first typed them into Notepad and then pasted into pastebin, so technically what I did was pasting ;-)
Nov 22 10:34:52 <Venemo_N900> lol :P
Nov 22 10:36:56 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: afaik your contacts should disappear when you flash with a rootfs image
Nov 22 10:37:52 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, hmm... might be. Can't check right now. Maybe I'll just manually wipe the unwanted stuff (like the sqlite database for sms's etc).
Nov 22 10:39:20 <Venemo_N900> isn't it possible that the files you downloaded are corrupt and this is why they ain't working?
Nov 22 10:39:32 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, that's one option, yes.
Nov 22 10:39:44 <D-Iivil_Work> Gonna try to download the emmc image from another machine and try it out :)
Nov 22 10:39:57 <Venemo_N900> check md5 checksum too
Nov 22 10:40:20 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, where do I get the original MD5 of the emmc?
Nov 22 10:40:52 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, it's not shared on tablet-dev.nokia.com :-(
Nov 22 10:41:11 <Venemo_N900> hmm
Nov 22 10:41:18 <Venemo_N900> well then I dunno
Nov 22 10:41:52 <D-Iivil_Work> Venemo_N900, well.. it cannot corrupt two times in a row with to different computers, can it? :D At least the change for that is very small...
Nov 22 10:42:11 <RST38h> Meanwhile: http://www.reghardware.com/2010/11/22/tablet_vendor_ipad_2_fear/
Nov 22 10:43:34 <Venemo_N900> D-Iivil_Work: yep
Nov 22 10:44:51 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: ipad is in the "don't care" category for me
Nov 22 10:45:05 <RobbieThe1st> It's in the "absolutely useless" category for me.
Nov 22 10:45:39 <Venemo_N900> RobbieThe1st: agreed
Nov 22 10:46:09 <Venemo_N900> for casual use, the ipad is too large (not pocketable)
Nov 22 10:46:22 <Venemo_N900> for work, it is too small and has no keyboard
Nov 22 10:46:29 <crashanddie> erhm
Nov 22 10:46:39 <crashanddie> it's meant as a leave-it-in-the-living-room device
Nov 22 10:46:46 <crashanddie> and for that, it serves its purpose excellently
Nov 22 10:46:55 <crashanddie> I don't have to use my laptop in the living room
Nov 22 10:47:08 <crashanddie> I can show pictures and videos to friends and families
Nov 22 10:47:13 <Venemo_N900> yeah, but I don't get what the advantage of that is
Nov 22 10:47:18 <RobbieThe1st> That's what my n900's for
Nov 22 10:47:21 <crashanddie> well, it's not as involved
Nov 22 10:47:27 <Venemo_N900> I mean, versus a laptop or a netbook
Nov 22 10:47:33 <crashanddie> I can just put it down as I would a book, or a newspaper
Nov 22 10:47:44 <crashanddie> a laptop, there's wires, it runs out of battery, it's bulky
Nov 22 10:48:00 <Venemo_N900> well the tablet also runs out of battery
Nov 22 10:48:04 <crashanddie> it's probably not for the people who have wires running in their living room, though
Nov 22 10:48:25 <Venemo_N900> but a netbook for one is already better than an ipad
Nov 22 10:48:43 <crashanddie> well, "better", or "best" is highly relative
Nov 22 10:48:54 <crashanddie> either it suits your needs, or it doesn't
Nov 22 10:48:56 <D-Iivil_Work> Okay, worked now. Didn't re-download the emmc image, but flashed the PR1.2 fiasco first. Weird.
Nov 22 10:49:14 <crashanddie> a netbook has a keyboard too cramped to use it
Nov 22 10:49:20 <Venemo_N900> if I wanna show photos in the living room, I just connect the N900 to the TV
Nov 22 10:49:23 <crashanddie> and the screen, well, it's shite
Nov 22 10:50:10 <crashanddie> again, wires, you have to move from where you sat if you use the n900's tv connection
Nov 22 10:50:24 <crashanddie> everyone has to pay attention, TV needs to be on, huge distraction
Nov 22 10:50:48 <Venemo_N900> well if not everyone wants to, there is the n900 itself
Nov 22 10:51:00 <RobbieThe1st> That's what I do
Nov 22 10:51:04 <crashanddie> with a shit screen, shit keyboard, and shit browser
Nov 22 10:51:08 <crashanddie> and  12h battery
Nov 22 10:51:36 <Venemo_N900> what?
Nov 22 10:51:43 <crashanddie> You really look cool when you have to hold the screen within 4 inches of your face ^^
Nov 22 10:51:53 <Venemo_N900> oh...
Nov 22 10:52:01 <alterego> Eh?
Nov 22 10:52:16 <Venemo_N900> well I dunno why youre making such a problem of this
Nov 22 10:52:33 <Venemo_N900> ya see? you woke up alterego
Nov 22 10:52:35 <crashanddie> I'm just one supporting the iPad and suddenly I'm making a problem?
Nov 22 10:52:52 <Venemo_N900> crashanddie: anyway, I recommend you this for the iPad: http://fashionablygeek.com/design/i-gots-me-a-big-ass-pocket-for-the-ipad/
Nov 22 10:52:56 <D-Iivil_Work> Okay, then next question, how can I make ext2 partition that default web browser can access to? Partition should be on MMC card.
Nov 22 10:53:00 <alterego> pfft, the iPad would be worth something if it had usb ports ..
Nov 22 10:53:23 <crashanddie> Venemo_N900, it's not about putting it in your pocket, I leave it in the living room
Nov 22 10:53:24 <RST38h> Venemo: This won't work
Nov 22 10:53:25 <Venemo_N900> alterego: crashanddie loves it anyway
Nov 22 10:53:43 <alterego> Meh
Nov 22 10:53:46 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: what?
Nov 22 10:53:48 <alterego> Each to their own.
Nov 22 10:53:55 <crashanddie> alterego, exactly
Nov 22 10:53:59 <RST38h> Venemo: There is normally an Apple-branded toilet plunger sticking out of the spot where they are attaching the pocket
Nov 22 10:54:11 <RST38h> Venemo: So, no, it will not work.
Nov 22 10:54:12 <Venemo_N900> crashanddie: so it's practically useless for me
Nov 22 10:54:42 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: lol. it is funny still
Nov 22 10:54:44 <crashanddie> Venemo_N900, sure, I was just pointing out that other people may have other needs
Nov 22 10:55:00 <Venemo_N900> crashanddie: yep, that's why I said "for me"
Nov 22 10:56:16 <Venemo_N900> crashanddie: but I understand what you meant
Nov 22 10:56:18 <crashanddie> Venemo_N900, this one should make you chuckle though: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MI99t9k4aEE
Nov 22 10:56:38 <RST38h> BTW, I am still not getting the netbook craze
Nov 22 10:56:55 <RST38h> It is a laptop. A shitty laptop. Why not get a real one?
Nov 22 10:57:23 <kerio> because eeepcs are so cute ^_^
Nov 22 10:57:53 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: hehe :)
Nov 22 10:58:10 <Venemo_N900> nah crashanddie, found a real nice one for you: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lAl28d6tbko
Nov 22 10:58:30 <crashanddie> haha, yeah, saw that a while ago
Nov 22 10:58:37 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: some people prefer the size and battery life of netbooks
Nov 22 10:58:42 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: not me.
Nov 22 10:58:55 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: for such purposes, I use the N900
Nov 22 10:59:40 <RST38h> Venemo: You can get a laptop that is the size of a netbook and works for about the same time
Nov 22 10:59:47 <RST38h> Slightly (~2 hours) shorter maybe
Nov 22 11:00:22 <RobbieThe1st> Damn, that's impressive. Take a look at that will it blend video - half way through bashing it over the corner of the blender, and its -still working-
Nov 22 11:00:52 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: yeah, seen something like that, costs lots of money
Nov 22 11:01:30 <RST38h> Venemo: Starts at $800
Nov 22 11:01:40 <RST38h> Venemo: The high end model is $1500
Nov 22 11:02:07 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: yeah... that is a lot for me
Nov 22 11:02:44 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: I prefer regular sized laptops anyway
Nov 22 11:03:05 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: for work, I don't like those too small screens
Nov 22 11:04:04 <crashanddie> 13" laptop is the best
Nov 22 11:04:37 <Venemo_N900> 13" is way too small for any work
Nov 22 11:04:39 <crashanddie> small for transport (I travel a whole lot), relatively light, 8+ hours autonomy, docking station for keyboard / mouse / 27" monitor
Nov 22 11:05:05 <RobbieThe1st> 15" laptop with 1680x1050 screen = awesome
Nov 22 11:05:25 <Venemo_N900> I prefer 15", with at least 1366x768
Nov 22 11:05:57 <Corsac> 14" at 1400×1050 rocks, and 12" at the same resolution is even better :/
Nov 22 11:06:08 <sougata> Howto stop network-manager in chinook
Nov 22 11:06:15 <Corsac> though nobody produces standard aspect screens anymore
Nov 22 11:06:41 <crashanddie> Corsac, yeah, widescreen is horrible for developers
Nov 22 11:06:57 <nidO> I'm clearly going to get flamed mercilessly but unless it has some massive enormous as-yet-unreported flaw i'm almost certainly grabbing a dell duo when theyre available
Nov 22 11:06:57 <crashanddie> I tried to use my 27" in portrait mode, absolutely horrible
Nov 22 11:07:13 <Venemo_N900> yeah... although it may be good if you have long lines of code
Nov 22 11:07:14 <crashanddie> the fonts look like crap, and angle of view is stupid
Nov 22 11:07:29 * haltdef wants that convertible tablet from dell
Nov 22 11:07:38 <nidO> haltdef: thats the duo
Nov 22 11:07:43 <inz> Robbie, 15" at 1920x1200 is awesomer.
Nov 22 11:07:48 <haltdef> that's the one
Nov 22 11:07:51 <haltdef> looks delightful
Nov 22 11:07:56 <RobbieThe1st> They -make- them that nice?
Nov 22 11:08:03 <Corsac> nidO: not sure about the duo but don't ever buy a “home” dell
Nov 22 11:08:09 <nidO> obviously
Nov 22 11:08:16 <Corsac> well, not only from dell
Nov 22 11:08:22 <nidO> dell make nice screens and netbooks but I wouldnt touch their desktops
Nov 22 11:08:50 <RobbieThe1st> Well, not sure about other systems, but 1680x1050's the best you can get on a ThinkPad T500, so that's what I got.
Nov 22 11:08:53 <Corsac> well, their soho laptops are crap too
Nov 22 11:09:08 <Corsac> I don't like their business laptop much either, but it's less crap
Nov 22 11:09:20 <RobbieThe1st> Near-indestructible laptop, decent specs, great screen.
Nov 22 11:09:30 <Corsac> hmhm, duo is inspiron, inspiron is soho, thus it's crap, period :)
Nov 22 11:09:41 <RST38h> Venemo: $800 is only twice the netbook price, and you do not buy it every year
Nov 22 11:09:54 <hrw> crashanddie: as developer I prefer widescreen then 4:3
Nov 22 11:10:04 <RST38h> Venemo: [and yes, I do all my work on a subnotebook that is smaller than some netbooks)
Nov 22 11:10:20 * kerio has a 17" mbp
Nov 22 11:10:37 <hrw> crashanddie: in 1920x1080 or 1680x1050 I can open two code windows vertically
Nov 22 11:10:54 <Venemo_N900> RST38h: what I've seen cost twice that
Nov 22 11:11:25 <crashanddie> hrw, I'd rather have 1920x1140
Nov 22 11:11:52 <crashanddie> hrw, still allows for two code windows vertically, and 100 lines of code for context
Nov 22 11:12:03 <hrw> crashanddie: I hoped for 1920x1200 but 16:10 were hard to find
Nov 22 11:12:34 <RST38h> Venemo: http://www.pcconnectionexpress.com/IPA/Shop/Product/Detail.htm?sku=11907572&cm_mmc=Base-_-11907572-_-New-_-GY175&ci_src=14110944&ci_sku=11907572
Nov 22 11:12:35 <RobbieThe1st> 1920x1080 may not be as good as 1920x1200, but it's currently the biggest you can get with 120hz input
Nov 22 11:12:48 * nidO hugs 1680x1050
Nov 22 11:12:49 <hrw> RobbieThe1st: why not?
Nov 22 11:13:02 <hrw> nidO: this is good resolution for 20"
Nov 22 11:13:03 <haltdef> you have nvidia 3d or something?
Nov 22 11:13:04 <flux> hrw, just bought HP ZR24w, it seems quite nice, it has 1920x1200
Nov 22 11:13:09 <sougata> Can someone please tell me how to stop and start network-manager for Chinook
Nov 22 11:13:14 <hrw> flux: in states?
Nov 22 11:13:29 <RobbieThe1st> um... what?
Nov 22 11:13:29 <flux> hrw, nope, in Finland. I imagined the situation wouldn't be worse there :).
Nov 22 11:14:56 <RobbieThe1st> Well, I've got all nvidia-3d components aside from the glasses and Windows version. I -love- it as a 2d monitor though; animations seem smoother and (provided you have a good enough video card) fps games too
Nov 22 11:15:32 <RobbieThe1st> You play a FPS game at 100fps+ on a monitor that can support it... You'll never go back to a 60hz monitor.
Nov 22 11:16:06 <alterego> unles you're an addict and you have to
Nov 22 11:16:12 <RobbieThe1st> True.
Nov 22 11:16:15 <alterego> I have me xbox for games ..
Nov 22 11:16:20 <RobbieThe1st> *never -want- to go back
Nov 22 11:16:33 <haltdef> ah nice
Nov 22 11:16:36 <hrw> prboom will give >100fps on my desktop/laptop and this is the only fps which I am able to play
Nov 22 11:16:37 <crashanddie> alterego, heh, ps3 here. only game i occasionally (as in, once a month) play on the computer is SC2 at work
Nov 22 11:16:57 <RobbieThe1st> hrw: But, you don't have a screen capable of handling it.
Nov 22 11:17:08 <haltdef> I'd onoly buy a 120hz monitor for nvidia 3d, it'd cost me a hell of a lot though .. don't have an nvidia card either
Nov 22 11:17:11 <Venemo_N900> lol
Nov 22 11:17:23 <haltdef> and can't find anywhere to try the damn thing before buying, might be crap :P
Nov 22 11:17:35 <Venemo_N900> I don't play that much so I don't want a console
Nov 22 11:18:01 <crashanddie> alterego, I nearly got a console for the fable series
Nov 22 11:18:06 <Venemo_N900> and also, I prefer having a well enough video card in my laptop so I can take my games with me
Nov 22 11:18:07 <crashanddie> s/console/xbox/
Nov 22 11:18:08 <infobot> crashanddie meant: alterego, I nearly got a xbox for the fable series
Nov 22 11:18:30 <Venemo_N900> fable is available for pc isn't it?
Nov 22 11:18:35 <RobbieThe1st> I  went from a 1280x1024 monitor @80hz or so to a 1680x1050 monitor at 60hz. It was -acceptable-, but when I upgraded I spent quite a bit and got a nice, high-end Alienware AW2310. I -love- it.
Nov 22 11:18:46 <crashanddie> one thing I never understood about the 360 though... Why call it 360 and not make it have a circular design?
Nov 22 11:18:50 <crashanddie> why square?
Nov 22 11:19:20 <crashanddie> Venemo_N900, my computers really aren't up for gaming
Nov 22 11:19:31 <SpeedEvil> nethack!
Nov 22 11:19:56 <hrw> RobbieThe1st: 12" green @50 -> 14" mono @58.5 -> 17" @96 -> 17" @96 -> 20" @60 -> 24" @60 + 20" @60
Nov 22 11:20:07 <Venemo_N900> Starcraft 2! :P
Nov 22 11:20:33 <Venemo_N900> that is just the best
Nov 22 11:22:49 <crashanddie> if only they'd removed the DRM
Nov 22 11:23:03 <crashanddie> and not banned people from multiplayer because they cheated in single player
Nov 22 11:32:37 <sougata> Can someone help me
Nov 22 11:32:49 <sougata> I want to stop the network-manager
Nov 22 11:33:05 <sougata> for a n800
Nov 22 12:10:17 <slonopotamus> meh
Nov 22 12:10:43 <slonopotamus> hello from authorized nokia repair service
Nov 22 12:11:38 <slonopotamus> 'we found no charging issues but replaced power button and resoldered usb connector'
Nov 22 12:13:03 <slonopotamus> and, obviously, i cannot reproduce the problem anymore :)
Nov 22 12:25:38 <ShadowJK> What charging issues did you have?
Nov 22 12:29:03 <slonopotamus> ShadowJK, it stopped/started again on minimal moves of plugged in charger connector
Nov 22 12:29:13 <ShadowJK> ah
Nov 22 12:29:18 <kerio> did someone port sauerbraten to the n900 yet?
Nov 22 12:29:33 <kerio> also does someone know why Terminal.app leaks memory like an old whore?
Nov 22 12:31:00 <slonopotamus> kerio, scrollback history?
Nov 22 12:31:42 <kerio> the first question is related to the fps of fps thing
Nov 22 12:38:25 <lolloo> hellooo0oo everyone
Nov 22 12:39:06 * Shapeshifter cues clown music
Nov 22 12:52:52 <MohammadAG> i need help, lots of it
Nov 22 12:52:59 <MohammadAG> pulseaudio doesn't start at boot up
Nov 22 12:54:03 <RobbieThe1st> Ouch
Nov 22 12:54:35 <MohammadAG> i tried start pulseaudio in terminal, got respawning too fast
Nov 22 12:54:57 <MohammadAG> now i'm used to this shit happening, but I had to make a call
Nov 22 12:55:09 <jacekowski> oi
Nov 22 12:55:13 <MohammadAG> so i chmod +x'd /etc/event.d/pulseaudio and used it
Nov 22 12:55:25 <jacekowski> i don't think that will help
Nov 22 12:55:30 <jacekowski> try just
Nov 22 12:55:34 <jacekowski> start pulseaudio
Nov 22 12:55:35 <jacekowski> as root
Nov 22 12:55:38 <jacekowski> and see what happens
Nov 22 12:55:39 <MohammadAG> now my calls go to the loudspeaker and I keep getting Internal error. Application 'Calendar' ... the usual
Nov 22 12:55:43 <MohammadAG> as i said
Nov 22 12:55:49 <MohammadAG> respawning too fast
Nov 22 12:56:11 <jacekowski> ~flashing
Nov 22 12:56:11 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 22 12:56:29 <jacekowski> at least you've got some sound
Nov 22 12:56:44 <jacekowski> once i've lost sound and vibrator
Nov 22 12:56:56 <MohammadAG> i won't reflash, since this isn't the first time it's happened
Nov 22 12:57:28 <MohammadAG> how do I check upstart logs?
Nov 22 12:58:23 * MohammadAG reboots
Nov 22 12:58:36 <MohammadAG> nice, no mce too
Nov 22 13:00:16 <RST38h> Moo, all
Nov 22 13:01:37 <MohammadAG> reboot fixed it, till the next time it happens ...
Nov 22 13:02:02 <MohammadAG> my sim card slot is shit, it keeps losing the sim
Nov 22 13:02:18 <jacekowski> my battery is shit
Nov 22 13:02:41 <MohammadAG> how?
Nov 22 13:03:04 <MohammadAG> are there any apt logs btw?
Nov 22 13:05:20 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, I don't know if there's logging facility for upstart but you might want to have a look at syslog which is available in the tools repo
Nov 22 13:05:23 <jo-erlend> any experience with Python/GTK programming on Maemo? I thought I could just create windows the normal way, but that apparently isn't enough. Where can I learn how to write GTK apps for Maemo using Python?
Nov 22 13:05:50 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, I hate it
Nov 22 13:06:15 <MohammadAG> jo-erlend, it's the same as PyGTK on linux
Nov 22 13:06:30 <MohammadAG> well, on gnome, whatever
Nov 22 13:06:36 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, don't like syslog? heh, don't know if there's other alternatives. I use it personally so that I could at least see what's going on :D
Nov 22 13:08:49 <MohammadAG> what's exit status 127...
Nov 22 13:08:54 <jo-erlend> MohammadAG, that can't be true? "import gtk; mywindow = gtk.Window(); mywindow.show()" <-- that doesn't appear to do anything on my N900. On Ubuntu, that creates a visible Window.
Nov 22 13:10:31 <MohammadAG> i'm not a pygtk expert, ask frals about it
Nov 22 13:10:35 <MohammadAG> but it should work
Nov 22 13:10:39 <jacekowski> python sucks
Nov 22 13:10:40 <jo-erlend> it doesn't.
Nov 22 13:10:45 <jacekowski> that's a problem
Nov 22 13:10:50 <jacekowski> jo-erlend: how are you doing it?
Nov 22 13:10:52 <jacekowski> jo-erlend: via ssh?
Nov 22 13:10:57 <jacekowski> jo-erlend: or xterminal on phone?
Nov 22 13:11:02 <jo-erlend> jacekowski, xterm.
Nov 22 13:11:17 <jacekowski> it should work
Nov 22 13:11:22 <jo-erlend> try it.
Nov 22 13:11:26 <jacekowski> nah
Nov 22 13:11:29 <MohammadAG> try a hildon.StackableWindow()
Nov 22 13:11:32 <jacekowski> i have to go
Nov 22 13:11:37 <jacekowski> i'll be back later
Nov 22 13:12:02 <MohammadAG> but most gtk apps run unmodified on maemo
Nov 22 13:14:07 <jo-erlend> MohammadAG, "import gtk; import hildon; mywin = hildon.StackableWindow(); mywin.show()" produced the same nothing.
Nov 22 13:14:26 <jo-erlend> I don't get any error messages with either... The window just doesn't show.
Nov 22 13:27:39 <zap> X-Fade: any news about that version number bug? unzip is still broken and won't replace with a newer version, I even tried to bump the epoch.
Nov 22 13:28:16 <X-Fade> zap: Sorry, didn't have time to look at it last week as I was in Dublin for MeeGo.
Nov 22 13:28:23 <zap> ok
Nov 22 13:33:53 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, ping
Nov 22 13:34:26 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: here
Nov 22 13:55:47 <jo-erlend> oh, I'm sorry. I forgot to enter gtk.main() :)
Nov 22 13:58:03 <alterego> I've got a variable in my code named "ibox" I'm expecting to get sued by both Microsoft and Apple simultaneously.
Nov 22 14:11:14 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: hi!
Nov 22 14:11:21 <javispedro> morning
Nov 22 14:12:16 <RST38h> moorning javispedro
Nov 22 14:13:16 <javispedro> I think I finally got the accelerometer on the ideapad working =)
Nov 22 14:13:30 <javispedro> only found two coordinates though
Nov 22 14:13:46 <lcuk> javispedro, many harddrives only have 2d
Nov 22 14:13:56 <javispedro> hey lcuk
Nov 22 14:14:28 <javispedro> I published the preliminary driver here http://gitorious.org/iaps/iaps
Nov 22 14:14:58 <javispedro> on my ideapad ranges are 400...720  for the x axis and 420..720 for the y axis
Nov 22 14:15:38 <lcuk> cool, what about orientation changes based on slate/laptop mode
Nov 22 14:15:50 <javispedro> that's what I'm aiming for :)
Nov 22 14:15:53 <javispedro> but first things first :)
Nov 22 14:15:58 * lcuk nods
Nov 22 14:16:07 <lcuk> great seeing you in Dublin btw :)
Nov 22 14:16:20 <javispedro> :)
Nov 22 14:16:59 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: (2D g-meter) hey funny! so they emergency park heads when you hold the laptop like a book? (detecting free fall)
Nov 22 14:17:02 <lcuk> javispedro, did you see the multitouch input visualisation pic I just posted on #meego
Nov 22 14:17:32 <lcuk> holding it like a book is not freefall
Nov 22 14:17:46 <DocScrutinizer> for a 2D g-meter it is
Nov 22 14:17:49 <lcuk> zeroing each sensor is freefall
Nov 22 14:18:06 <lcuk> afaik
Nov 22 14:18:07 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: I am not sure it is the raw output from the accel though, seems that it might be preprocessed
Nov 22 14:18:18 <lcuk> looking at graphs made with liqacceltests anyway
Nov 22 14:18:19 <javispedro> but it is all I could get from the hw...
Nov 22 14:18:43 <javispedro> lcuk: you know how to read the hdaps data? i tried to present it to userspace the same way
Nov 22 14:19:05 * javispedro would enjoy some graphs :)
Nov 22 14:19:53 <lcuk> javispedro, http://www.thinkwiki.org/wiki/HDAPS
Nov 22 14:20:02 <lcuk> you should find plenty of examples at the foot of there for the driver
Nov 22 14:25:46 <javispedro> http://people.ksp.sk/~mic/Projects/Rotate rotate script
Nov 22 14:26:50 <Jaffa> javispedro: lcuk: Ah, is the lock switch a screen orientation lock?
Nov 22 14:27:16 <javispedro> Jaffa: no, it seems to electrically disable the power button
Nov 22 14:27:31 <javispedro> (I get no events in sw at least :( )
Nov 22 14:27:34 <Jaffa> javispedro: Make that script stopall meego-im-uiserver...  scratch that. Confusing orientation with screen position
Nov 22 14:27:48 <Jaffa> javispedro: Talking of which, can the position of the screen show up as an event?
Nov 22 14:27:51 <Jaffa> javispedro: 'k
Nov 22 14:28:24 <javispedro> it seems to do on windows (position of the screen)
Nov 22 14:28:31 <javispedro> need to look that up later
Nov 22 14:33:08 <lcuk> Jaffa, talk to timeless, I believe he was playing with auto orientation detection in the W7 partition
Nov 22 14:33:12 <lcuk> and it wasnt so happy
Nov 22 14:33:38 <timeless_mbp> yeah
Nov 22 14:33:39 <lcuk> but basing orientation on screen state itself (hinge angle maybe?) would be better?
Nov 22 14:33:41 <timeless_mbp> it's way too sensitive
Nov 22 14:33:51 * javispedro agrees with timeless
Nov 22 14:34:03 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: are you on windows?
Nov 22 14:34:05 <Jaffa> lcuk: What I was thinking; or rotation point, if detectable
Nov 22 14:34:10 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: I kept it
Nov 22 14:34:16 <timeless_mbp> "kept"?
Nov 22 14:34:21 <timeless_mbp> dual boot or exclusive?
Nov 22 14:34:21 <javispedro> installed
Nov 22 14:34:23 <javispedro> dual
Nov 22 14:34:24 <lcuk> Jaffa, I think the switches themselves know if the screen is in slate mode and fixed down
Nov 22 14:34:27 <javispedro> well, triple already =)
Nov 22 14:34:29 <timeless_mbp> how'd you dual?
Nov 22 14:34:31 * timeless_mbp wants to do that
Nov 22 14:34:48 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: I installed Gentoo and Grub from it. Before that I used Grub from the meego repos
Nov 22 14:34:50 <lcuk> continuing on #meego anyway
Nov 22 14:34:55 * javispedro agrees =)
Nov 22 14:41:39 <comawhite> blah it takes forever to setup scratchbox + sdk
Nov 22 14:41:49 <comawhite> too much downloading
Nov 22 14:53:37 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, updated hostmode-gui and i2c-tools
Nov 22 14:53:57 <DocScrutinizer> cool man 8-)
Nov 22 14:55:12 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: now if you could edit http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=866260&postcount=1 to meet that status
Nov 22 14:58:10 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, edit it with what? It depends on kernel-feature-usbhost now :)
Nov 22 14:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> err??? edit it with phpBB edit-post feature in tmo?
Nov 22 14:59:31 <MohammadAG> lol I know, I mean what should I add?
Nov 22 15:01:32 <MohammadAG> I need to paint my old laptop...
Nov 22 15:01:51 <MohammadAG> alterego, ping
Nov 22 15:02:28 * SpeedEvil passes MohammadAG a can of Magnolia one-coat.
Nov 22 15:04:11 * MohammadAG covers LG sign and dips can on laptop
Nov 22 15:10:13 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: just update on install instructions and info
Nov 22 15:11:31 <alterego> MohammadAG: pong
Nov 22 15:11:44 <DocScrutinizer> add proper detailed explanation what to install, and how to uninstall rsp where to look for info about uninstalling
Nov 22 15:17:57 <comawhite> is there a way to get flash in scratchbox?
Nov 22 15:31:10 <pupnik_> comawhite: so you can watch your youtubes while you watch your youtubes
Nov 22 15:32:07 <comawhite> pupnik_, LOL
Nov 22 15:33:15 <pupnik_> :)
Nov 22 15:35:27 <yacc> WARNING: The following packages cannot be authenticated!
Nov 22 15:35:27 <yacc>   libzlibrary fbreader theme-customizer dorian sleepanalyser swappolube
Nov 22 15:35:36 <yacc> Anything I should know about extras-devel today?
Nov 22 15:36:05 <ieatlint> comawhite: have you tried installing it via apt-get?
Nov 22 15:36:37 <comawhite> yeah I did apt-cache search flash but it return some useless app not remotely like flash
Nov 22 15:36:57 <comawhite> also I get /usr/share/hildon-application-manager/defaults: No such file or directory
Nov 22 15:37:02 <comawhite> sorry I'm new to this
Nov 22 15:37:36 <ieatlint> well, i'm a tad confused as to why you want it in scratchbox :P
Nov 22 15:37:52 <comawhite> just to play around with it
Nov 22 15:38:03 <ieatlint> but if somehow that fails, you may be able to simply insert it into "/targets/FREMANTLE_X86/usr/lib/browser/plugins"
Nov 22 15:38:42 <yacc> Any idea why the packages stopped to verify?
Nov 22 15:42:35 <gruinelli> MohammadAG: Hi MohammadAG
Nov 22 15:42:44 <jMCg> Hello happy people.
Nov 22 15:42:59 <jMCg> How do I have more than one Mail for Exchange type account?
Nov 22 15:43:19 <ieatlint> you get a second n900
Nov 22 15:43:42 <jMCg> That sounds rather inconvinient.
Nov 22 15:43:49 <jMCg> ieatlint: is there any reason behind that?
Nov 22 15:43:50 <MohammadAG> hi gruinelli
Nov 22 15:44:13 <ieatlint> jMCg: you'd have to ask nokia
Nov 22 15:44:20 <Lantizia> lo, has anyone used the google latitude package?
Nov 22 15:44:33 <gruinelli> I got shedskin now working on the server ,also i could compile my module with it
Nov 22 15:44:37 <comawhite> ugh this is being a pita. trying to do the matrix trick but doesn't work
Nov 22 15:44:41 <comawhite> bloody hell
Nov 22 15:44:44 <gruinelli> thank you very much for your great help yesterday!
Nov 22 15:47:23 <MohammadAG> CaCO3, cool :D
Nov 22 15:47:33 <MohammadAG> CaCO3, you're welcome :)
Nov 22 15:47:58 <MohammadAG> CaCO3, you might as well announce you got shedskin packaged, I'm sure others might want to use it :)
Nov 22 15:48:19 <alterego> Freakin' hell man
Nov 22 15:48:25 <CaCO3> jup, i will, also i started to create a wiki page for it
Nov 22 15:48:43 <CaCO3> i was just wondering, if it would not have been wiser to upload shedskin into the sdk repository instead the normal repo, but i guess thats not possible, or now too late
Nov 22 15:48:58 <MohammadAG> nope, it's not possible
Nov 22 15:49:11 <MohammadAG> the builder uses extras, and so do most devs
Nov 22 15:49:45 <CaCO3> ok
Nov 22 15:50:09 <CaCO3> just to to check that I do it the right way; in the Make file for my app, I do an "apt-get install shedskin", then I run the shedskin and make. is there a better way to do it?
Nov 22 15:50:45 <MohammadAG> yeah, that's not the right way :)
Nov 22 15:50:56 <MohammadAG> add shedskin to Build Depends: in debian/control
Nov 22 15:51:48 <alterego> Ah, I see what the problem is.
Nov 22 15:51:50 <CaCO3> ah, ok, thanx
Nov 22 15:51:55 <alterego> I'm an idiot ^.^
Nov 22 15:52:38 <timeless_mbp> so...
Nov 22 15:52:39 <timeless_mbp> bug of the day
Nov 22 15:52:49 <timeless_mbp> someone told me that i could enter *#0000#
Nov 22 15:53:14 <alterego> You can, well, works for me :P
Nov 22 15:53:16 <timeless_mbp> into my phone to get the system version
Nov 22 15:53:19 <MohammadAG> it says <unknown>
Nov 22 15:53:21 <nidO> yes, you can
Nov 22 15:53:22 <timeless_mbp> alterego: try these more detailed instructions
Nov 22 15:53:22 <MohammadAG> you replaced the kernel, it's not a bug :P
Nov 22 15:53:22 <CaCO3> And is there a way to get it compiled for armel AND i386? because when I say Architecture: all, it only makes one for i386, so i changed it to armel
Nov 22 15:53:27 <timeless_mbp> press and hold the <blue> key
Nov 22 15:53:29 <alterego> timeless_mbp: are you using a custom kernel?
Nov 22 15:53:41 <CaCO3> but i thin i386 is anyway not needeed
Nov 22 15:53:41 <timeless_mbp> then press the letters ADPPPPD
Nov 22 15:53:50 <timeless_mbp> alterego: try it
Nov 22 15:53:56 <timeless_mbp> then let go of the <blue> key
Nov 22 15:54:04 <timeless_mbp> do not let go of the blue key early
Nov 22 15:54:08 <timeless_mbp> violators will be shot
Nov 22 15:54:45 <alterego> timeless_mbp: oh yeah, stops working when the ui starts up :/
Nov 22 15:54:52 <yacc> Is it only me, or has something changed with the repository, I'm getting unauthenticated packages in extras-devel.
Nov 22 15:54:54 <timeless_mbp> alterego: can i get you to file this bug for me?
Nov 22 15:55:32 <CaCO3> yacc: I get that too, but i thought I did something wrong
Nov 22 15:55:51 <nidO> I dont get it, wheres the bug? one ui uses one keyboard layout, the other uses another, if you're going to type something involving both of them you need to switch typing accordingly
Nov 22 15:55:53 <yacc> CaCO3, it started just now for me.
Nov 22 15:56:07 <yacc> CaCO3, my setup worked perfectly yesterday (or today morning).
Nov 22 15:56:12 <alterego> timeless_mbp: kinda got my hands tied at the moment ;)
Nov 22 15:56:16 <timeless_mbp> alterego: grr
Nov 22 15:56:22 <timeless_mbp> anyone else believe that it'd work?
Nov 22 15:56:40 <CaCO3> yacc: Its the first time i compile on the server, so I can not compare it
Nov 22 15:57:11 <pupnik> http://dl.dropbox.com/u/14455854/Fun/163.jpeg  germany's answer to the HUMMV
Nov 22 15:57:15 <yacc> CaCO3, for me it's on device.
Nov 22 15:57:16 <alterego> Yay, getting a segfault when the app closes ^.^
Nov 22 15:58:07 <alterego> In g_object_unref, well, that is kind of disconcerting when the app is Qt/C++ :D
Nov 22 15:58:13 <timeless_mbp> alterego: better than getting it earlier :)
Nov 22 15:58:15 <alterego> Bet it's mobility and liblocation
Nov 22 15:59:10 <timeless_mbp> pupnik: ...
Nov 22 15:59:45 <pupnik> better gas mileage was the joke timeless_mbp
Nov 22 16:02:52 <sivang> timeless_mbp: what's bug of the day?
Nov 22 16:03:43 <timeless_mbp> sivang: bah
Nov 22 16:04:02 * timeless_mbp goes off to file it
Nov 22 16:04:14 <timeless_mbp> alterego: is the keymap for BLUE fixed or does it very locale to locale?
Nov 22 16:04:31 <alterego> I think it varies
Nov 22 16:04:37 <alterego> I know it varies actually.
Nov 22 16:06:55 <sivang> timeless_mbp: maybe you can file the two netbook bugs while on the way? :) they are still waiting in my TODO
Nov 22 16:07:18 <timeless_mbp> alterego: yeah it probably does
Nov 22 16:07:22 <crashanddie> sivang, what OS are we talking about?
Nov 22 16:07:24 * timeless_mbp ends up w/ five preconditions
Nov 22 16:07:51 <alterego> sivang: this is maemo :P
Nov 22 16:07:54 <sivang> oops
Nov 22 16:07:56 <sivang> right :)
Nov 22 16:08:02 <sivang> crashanddie: yes, sorry
Nov 22 16:12:21 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, no bug here
Nov 22 16:12:32 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: um, what os?
Nov 22 16:12:38 <MohammadAG> maemo
Nov 22 16:12:49 <timeless_mbp> you pressed and held the BLUE key the entire time?
Nov 22 16:13:07 <timeless_mbp> do you have a sim inserted and active?
Nov 22 16:14:59 <alterego> Yay :)
Nov 22 16:15:15 <alterego> My plugin system is working well, along with my network service :D
Nov 22 16:15:20 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: sorry, what happened when you tried to follow my steps?
Nov 22 16:15:36 <alterego> "network-server-plugin" Constructing service: "nmea+udp://0.0.0.0:9300"
Nov 22 16:25:09 <Wizzup> SRL Stats Graphing System in action: http://old.villavu.com/merlijn/static/stats_graph.svg
Nov 22 16:25:12 <Wizzup> eh
Nov 22 16:25:19 <Wizzup> Totally in the wrong channel. Sorry for that
Nov 22 16:25:27 <Wizzup> I thought I was in my bitlbee-twitter chan.
Nov 22 16:25:34 <Gh0sty> hmm now I have some other behavior but still not what I am looking for ...
Nov 22 16:25:55 <Gh0sty> the phone seems to work like it should be but I can't mount my phone filesystem anymore on my linux pc
Nov 22 16:26:16 <Gh0sty> it shows ma a 28GB disk with no file allocation table :p
Nov 22 16:27:38 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: so err...
Nov 22 16:27:42 <timeless_mbp> does it really work for you?
Nov 22 16:33:18 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, yes, though I think i got something wrong
Nov 22 16:33:53 <MohammadAG> start phone with kb open, start dialing pad, go to skype mode so typing with blue arrow works, and type *#0000#
Nov 22 16:37:31 <comawhite> how do I get my scratchbox to look like this? http://static.maemo.org/static/d/dd911174994311dcbce661fbd17ed79bd79b_original_original_original_original_original_xchat-os2007.png
Nov 22 16:40:38 <lcuk> comawhite, buy an n800 and follow the bora sdk guide :P
Nov 22 16:41:06 <comawhite> no way on the n900?
Nov 22 16:41:43 <nidO> well no, thats not a fremantle scratchbox
Nov 22 16:51:14 <comawhite> hildon-desktop[27436]: GLIB WARNING ** ClutterX11 - Failed to get XImage of pixmap: c02435, removing
Nov 22 16:51:16 <comawhite> :S
Nov 22 16:59:52 <RST38h> back
Nov 22 17:03:35 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: no no no no no
Nov 22 17:03:40 <timeless_mbp> you don't open the phone application
Nov 22 17:03:52 <timeless_mbp> you start by typing on the home screen
Nov 22 17:04:15 <timeless_mbp> (bug filed)
Nov 22 17:05:11 <MohammadAG> I still don't get it...
Nov 22 17:05:21 <MohammadAG> so, I type *, and I get a *
Nov 22 17:05:36 <MohammadAG> I don't get a # since it's set to cellular mode, so I shouldn't use the blue arrow
Nov 22 17:08:33 <timeless_mbp> err
Nov 22 17:08:36 <timeless_mbp> don't *THINK*
Nov 22 17:08:38 <timeless_mbp> stop THINKING
Nov 22 17:08:40 <timeless_mbp> THINKING IS BAD
Nov 22 17:09:01 <timeless_mbp> the point is that on the home screen to trigger the * which opens the phone you need to hold BLUE
Nov 22 17:09:16 <timeless_mbp> and normally to trigger a * or a # or a 0 you would hold BLUE
Nov 22 17:09:28 <timeless_mbp> there is no reason to think that the first * should behave differently than the second *
Nov 22 17:09:33 <timeless_mbp> a * is a * is a *
Nov 22 17:09:36 <timeless_mbp> except when it's a duck
Nov 22 17:09:44 <timeless_mbp> (which seems to be the maemo way of thinking)
Nov 22 17:22:04 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: there's a GUI design specs flaw. This causes inpit method changing when you open the dialer gui
Nov 22 17:22:18 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: ayup
Nov 22 17:22:49 <DocScrutinizer> actually in diealer the keymapping is mindboggling, as bluekey is reversed
Nov 22 17:24:25 <DocScrutinizer> it's convenient for entering numbers (the most commn usecase), but obviously it *has* to switch input paradigm when starting the dialer from typing to homescreen
Nov 22 17:25:25 <DocScrutinizer> otherwise you'd have to specify input method for homescreen to be in 'numlock' mode which is even worse
Nov 22 17:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> or have two completely opposite input mode modi for dialer, depending on how it's been started
Nov 22 17:26:31 <alterego> timeless_mbp: but if you were more efficient, you'd double tap Fn and then everything would be fine ;)
Nov 22 17:26:45 <DocScrutinizer> or discard the numlock mode in dialer and require user to hold bluekey to enter numbers
Nov 22 17:26:52 <alterego> w00f
Nov 22 17:26:55 <alterego> Bad idea.
Nov 22 17:27:16 <SpeedEvil> Rotary dial on the desktop background
Nov 22 17:27:26 <SpeedEvil> the circular swiping is quite distinctive
Nov 22 17:27:27 <timeless_mbp> generally the right thing to do is to allow numbers with or without BLUE while in Phone mode in the dialer
Nov 22 17:27:32 <DocScrutinizer> it's fuzzy spec'd in GUI design
Nov 22 17:27:49 <timeless_mbp> the current behavior is "discard input i don't like"
Nov 22 17:27:52 <timeless_mbp> which is stupid here
Nov 22 17:27:56 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_mbp: that's bad, as I also want chars in dialer
Nov 22 17:28:04 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: ENOTSUP
Nov 22 17:28:10 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
Nov 22 17:28:14 <timeless_mbp> for stupid reasons the n900 phone won't let you enter ABC
Nov 22 17:28:20 <timeless_mbp> you can try to get p and w
Nov 22 17:28:25 <timeless_mbp> but that's about it
Nov 22 17:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> so have fun with dialing me at 'sip:joerg@mysipserver.org'
Nov 22 17:28:39 <timeless_mbp> in the non POTS case
Nov 22 17:28:46 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: i'm talking about POTS
Nov 22 17:28:51 <timeless_mbp> when you switch to SIP calling that's irrelevant
Nov 22 17:29:00 <timeless_mbp> i'm *ONLY* talking about POTS
Nov 22 17:29:09 <digitalstimulus> does anyone know of an elegant solution to play an audio file from one computer on another computer?
Nov 22 17:29:13 <DocScrutinizer> dialer isn't POTS-only
Nov 22 17:29:18 <timeless_mbp> DocScrutinizer: sure
Nov 22 17:29:23 <timeless_mbp> but it's only insane in POTS
Nov 22 17:29:38 <timeless_mbp> the path i'm talking about is a POTS path
Nov 22 17:29:40 <timeless_mbp> which is broken
Nov 22 17:29:50 <timeless_mbp> because of an *idiotic* behavior for *POTS*
Nov 22 17:30:13 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, you got a point there
Nov 22 17:30:21 <timeless_mbp> thank you
Nov 22 17:31:12 <digitalstimulus> I'm trying to get my ubuntu computer to play a file on my n810.  I basically am using the program motion to motion detect from a camera source and play a sound, but I would like my n810 to play a sound in another location through the network.  Any ideas?
Nov 22 17:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> ssh N900 play-sound jinglebells.wav
Nov 22 17:33:46 <DocScrutinizer> or learn to use friggin pulseaudio for what it's actually claiming to be superior to ALSA: audio over TCP
Nov 22 17:34:03 <pupnik> ol
Nov 22 17:34:10 <digitalstimulus> wouldn't pulse need to be running on maemo?
Nov 22 17:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> sure
Nov 22 17:34:22 <DocScrutinizer> it doesn't?
Nov 22 17:34:27 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, isn't that dead on maemo's PA :P
Nov 22 17:34:30 <DocScrutinizer> that'd be great news
Nov 22 17:34:31 <pupnik> n810 oc
Nov 22 17:34:33 <pupnik> DocScrutinizer:
Nov 22 17:34:58 <DocScrutinizer> s/N900/N810
Nov 22 17:35:15 <DocScrutinizer> ohh, dunno if diablo has PA- I'd guess it does
Nov 22 17:35:31 <digitalstimulus> hmm, I've not used ssh for one-time login, execut, logout...but that would be a great solution
Nov 22 17:35:37 <digitalstimulus> i've only used ssh interactively
Nov 22 17:36:09 <pupnik> digitalstimulus: if you are just sending an alarm signal, you don't need to stream audio
Nov 22 17:36:09 <DocScrutinizer> with proper dsa_keys it should work
Nov 22 17:36:54 <digitalstimulus> it can play a file located on the n810 too
Nov 22 17:37:12 <digitalstimulus> doesn't necessarily have to be streamed
Nov 22 17:37:30 <digitalstimulus> i'm just trying to make noise in multiple locations
Nov 22 17:39:44 <pupnik> You can execute commands on remote hosts using the ssh comman
Nov 22 17:39:48 <pupnik> d
Nov 22 17:39:55 <pupnik> http://www.faqs.org/docs/linux_network/x-087-2-appl.remote.html
Nov 22 17:40:40 <pupnik> ssh user@n810 "aplay beep.wav"
Nov 22 17:40:42 <timeless_mbp> digitalstimulus: i discovered that "say" works nicely on OS X :)
Nov 22 17:41:38 <DocScrutinizer> digitalstimulus:
Nov 22 17:41:41 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~> ssh -l root IroN900 play-sound /usr/share/sounds/game-chess_checkmate.wav
Nov 22 17:41:43 <DocScrutinizer> ca_context_play_full (vol -0.000000): Success
Nov 22 17:41:44 <DocScrutinizer> callback called, error 'Success'
Nov 22 17:41:46 <DocScrutinizer> jr@halley:~>
Nov 22 17:41:59 <pupnik> is play-sound a builtin DocScrutinizer ?
Nov 22 17:42:10 <DocScrutinizer> (root for me not having a authorized_key on user)
Nov 22 17:42:14 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 22 17:43:43 <digitalstimulus> for the curious, I am doing something similar to this: http://www.plasma2002.com/blenderdefender/
Nov 22 17:44:27 <SpeedEvil> But with landmines?
Nov 22 17:45:02 <digitalstimulus> no, I am using just sound right now, but my cat isn't startled with sound playing in the other room
Nov 22 17:49:57 <Gustavoferreira> hi everyone, when i connect my phone(N900 - maemo) to my pc (ubuntu 10.10) and use the option PC Suit, i can connect to internet on my pc, and when i'm done i have no way to change PC Suit to charge mode only, haven't I? Same thing for mass storage, even after umount it on PC.
Nov 22 17:51:39 <Choom> I believe you can change it by tapping on the clock
Nov 22 17:52:41 <Appiah> yupp you can change mode
Nov 22 17:53:18 <Appiah> same place as you choose availbility,profile,internetconnection etc
Nov 22 17:53:32 <Appiah> tap the clock as Choom said
Nov 22 17:54:25 <Gustavoferreira> when it is on PC Suit or mass storage you canBt go back in that way :s
Nov 22 17:55:11 <Gustavoferreira> ok let me see
Nov 22 17:55:53 <Choom> you're right, it's disabled in PC suit mode
Nov 22 17:56:28 <Gustavoferreira> it just shows the mode i'm, it doesnt let me change it after i'm in mass storage mode or in PC Suit mode
Nov 22 17:57:20 <Gustavoferreira> so, it isn't any way to do that?
Nov 22 17:59:18 <Gustavoferreira> is there any command on the terminal to change mode after i'm in one of those modes i refered?
Nov 22 17:59:41 <pupnik>  what do you use PC Suite for?  I never used that
Nov 22 18:00:21 <Gustavoferreira> thetering
Nov 22 18:00:37 <Gustavoferreira> i turn on gprs connections
Nov 22 18:00:51 <DocScrutinizer51> pc suite mode establishes quite a number of connections/services tat mustn't shut down unadvertedly. I guess that's the rationale you can't stop it like that
Nov 22 18:01:03 <Gustavoferreira> and then with PC Suit i make internet connection available to my pc.
Nov 22 18:01:22 <pupnik> maybe you can do that with a simple command-line
Nov 22 18:01:29 <pupnik> without using 'pc suit'
Nov 22 18:02:13 <pupnik> you can also tether over ad-hoc wifi
Nov 22 18:02:35 <pupnik> TMTOWTDI
Nov 22 18:03:25 <Gustavoferreira> or bluetooth using and aplication.
Nov 22 18:04:20 <Funnyface> I never got tethering over bluetooth working
Nov 22 18:04:33 <Funnyface> I had it working once.. and it worked like a charm, then I never got it working again :p
Nov 22 18:04:35 <Gustavoferreira> DocScrutinizer51: so is it bad if i simply disconnect usb cable, isn't it? what can i do then?
Nov 22 18:06:00 <DocScrutinizer51> good question. You'd think there should be sth like 'safely remove' for mass storage, on your PC
Nov 22 18:06:36 <Gustavoferreira> Funntface: from what i hear, tethering over bluetooth is a really big waste of battery.
Nov 22 18:07:08 <Funnyface> well, wifi is even worse
Nov 22 18:07:08 <Appiah> waste? but what if you really need to get a laptop online? :)
Nov 22 18:07:32 <Appiah> (as in the laptop running some application you cant get running on a n900)
Nov 22 18:08:25 <Gustavoferreira> use usb cable then, it makes internet available and it charges from latptop at the same time.
Nov 22 18:09:02 <Appiah> oh noes I forgot the usb cable , but dont use bluetooth , that's a waste
Nov 22 18:09:28 <Funnyface> that works well when stationary, but when I am at my school, I don't feel like leaving my phone widely visible to everyone, so whenever I need to go afk for a short moment, I have to unplug it, which wears out the ever so dodgy USB connector
Nov 22 18:09:43 <Gustavoferreira> DocScrutinizer51: you never use PC Suite neither?
Nov 22 18:09:59 <Funnyface> and if you use public transport, having a USB cable point out at the side isn't always that convenient
Nov 22 18:10:29 <DocScrutinizer> Gustavoferreira: nope
Nov 22 18:11:24 <jacekowski> Funnyface: why not?
Nov 22 18:11:32 <Gustavoferreira> that's why someone 'invented' tethering over bluetooth xD to solve some problems, like that one.
Nov 22 18:12:28 <Funnyface> jacekowski: crowded buses and tight seats :>
Nov 22 18:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: quite obviously if you're concerned about your USB receptacle staying alive
Nov 22 18:13:22 <Funnyface> well, it's very simple.. you always have your phone with you, so if bluetooth was working as it should, it'd be pretty much the same as having a PC with a built in GSM/UMTS modem
Nov 22 18:13:53 <Funnyface> which is very nice and convenient.. but with the USB cable, you have to dig up your laptop, the cable, and the phone, and plug it all in.
Nov 22 18:14:16 * MohammadAG got scared when he disassembled his N900
Nov 22 18:14:24 <jacekowski> why?
Nov 22 18:14:29 <MohammadAG> the USB receptacle just hangs there
Nov 22 18:14:32 <jacekowski> a lot of shit inside?
Nov 22 18:14:39 <MohammadAG> any slight movement might break it
Nov 22 18:14:47 <MohammadAG> no, the other shit's fine :P
Nov 22 18:15:01 <MohammadAG> two weaknesses really, the flex ribbon, but I got used to it
Nov 22 18:15:03 <MohammadAG> and the USB
Nov 22 18:15:40 <Funnyface> why did you disassemble it? :>
Nov 22 18:15:48 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: the usb receptacle is loose?
Nov 22 18:15:54 <Gustavoferreira> MohammadAG you didn't do that, did you? xD
Nov 22 18:16:12 <MohammadAG> disassembly? it's piss easy
Nov 22 18:16:18 <jacekowski> flex ribbon
Nov 22 18:16:21 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, no, my USB is fine, thankfully
Nov 22 18:16:27 <jacekowski> you mean ribbon connecting screen with base?
Nov 22 18:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, pffoooh
Nov 22 18:16:34 <MohammadAG> yes
Nov 22 18:16:48 <jacekowski> do you know that was reason why most of 7650 have failed
Nov 22 18:16:49 <MohammadAG> disassembled it for the hell of it
Nov 22 18:16:54 <jacekowski> my father had one
Nov 22 18:17:03 <MohammadAG> ribbons?
Nov 22 18:17:07 <jacekowski> and it was that ribbon that just broke after some time
Nov 22 18:17:08 <jacekowski> yes
Nov 22 18:17:25 <MohammadAG> I hate the one in the N900
Nov 22 18:17:27 <MohammadAG> it's very light
Nov 22 18:17:29 <jacekowski> because you move it up and down and up and down and again
Nov 22 18:17:31 <DocScrutinizer> FPC are generally crap and awful to handle
Nov 22 18:17:43 <jacekowski> well, it lasted for 3-4 years
Nov 22 18:17:48 <jacekowski> so it's not too bad
Nov 22 18:18:00 <jacekowski> btw. i really liked 7650
Nov 22 18:18:16 <jacekowski> if they would make same one with better hardware inside
Nov 22 18:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> the thinner it is the longer it will stand repeated bending but the easier it breaks on "wrong" stress
Nov 22 18:19:18 <DocScrutinizer> on N900 the weak point isn't the FPC but the crappy B2B connector soldered to its end
Nov 22 18:19:22 <MohammadAG> the annoying thing about it is that it's between very small space when assembled back
Nov 22 18:19:41 <MohammadAG> you don't have enough space to put it back in without making weird faces
Nov 22 18:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> YES :-D
Nov 22 18:20:22 <DocScrutinizer> and odds are the B2B breaks while you show that funny face
Nov 22 18:20:45 <Funnyface> :o?
Nov 22 18:20:53 <MohammadAG> LOL
Nov 22 18:21:13 <MohammadAG> yay
Nov 22 18:21:30 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, version 0.3 of h-e-n has an option to disable filemanager auto opening
Nov 22 18:21:41 <DocScrutinizer> nice
Nov 22 18:21:48 <MohammadAG> finally got a settings dialog working
Nov 22 18:22:30 <MohammadAG> effing tracker kicked in
Nov 22 18:24:23 <RST38h> Mr. Poo managed to hack into FedComp, a data processor for federal credit unions, enabling him to access the data of various federal credit unions. He also hacked into the computer system of a Department of Defense contractor that provides systems management for military transport and other military operations, potentially compromising highly sensitive military logistics information.
Nov 22 18:25:15 <MohammadAG> and that's the modem gone
Nov 22 18:25:23 * MohammadAG blames battery going flat without bme running
Nov 22 18:25:53 <MohammadAG> 1283 root      20   0  166m  35m 9824 R   81  0.9  18:35.94 Xorg
Nov 22 18:25:54 <MohammadAG>  1923 mohammad  20   0  382m  43m  12m S   77  1.1  21:19.36 compiz
Nov 22 18:25:55 <MohammadAG> ffs
Nov 22 18:26:52 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, http://i51.tinypic.com/pb2bl.jpg
Nov 22 18:27:22 <MohammadAG> I know mounting would be better than mount, but it causes horizontal scrolling to show up in portrait mode
Nov 22 18:29:53 <Arkenoi> i've got an impression after updating to pr1.3 my battery discharges more quickly
Nov 22 18:41:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: is the sort order HS - FS - LS for a particular reason?
Nov 22 18:41:51 <MohammadAG> HS > FS > LS?
Nov 22 18:42:36 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, you're an Arab, I see
Nov 22 18:42:49 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 22 18:43:22 <MohammadAG> lol what's that got to do with anything :P
Nov 22 18:43:40 <DocScrutinizer> reading/sorting right-to-left
Nov 22 18:44:01 <MohammadAG> that's left to right, from highest to lowest speed :D
Nov 22 18:44:08 <RST38h> Arkenoi: BatteryGraph says it is the same
Nov 22 18:44:10 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Nov 22 18:44:51 <MohammadAG> maybe it's cause I'm used to high being my first selection, f. my second, and l my last :)
Nov 22 18:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> all other sliders in GUI imply right side is + and left side is -
Nov 22 18:44:58 <MohammadAG> also, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=866260#post866260 #1 updated
Nov 22 18:45:17 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Nov 22 18:45:17 <MohammadAG> it has a pic of what you want, a shorter microUSB cable :)
Nov 22 18:46:17 <MohammadAG> the Nokia CA-101D
Nov 22 18:46:25 <MohammadAG> it's like the CA-101 you have, with a D
Nov 22 18:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: WTF is API-version 20101110? Is it any different to what Paul published as 20101104?
Nov 22 18:53:59 <MohammadAG> no idea, it's what I've got
Nov 22 18:54:02 <DocScrutinizer> or is it just titan should learn to read?
Nov 22 18:54:25 <MohammadAG> and it's what kernel-power provides
Nov 22 18:54:36 <DocScrutinizer> ~lart titan
Nov 22 18:54:36 * infobot follow's titan with a gauntlet and ... scratch ... HUMILIATION
Nov 22 18:56:32 <MohammadAG> maybe, but it didn't get updated from v44 to v46
Nov 22 18:56:36 <MohammadAG> so, not sure
Nov 22 18:56:38 * MohammadAG looks at git
Nov 22 18:57:11 <MohammadAG> ah
Nov 22 18:57:18 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it's the last commit by paul
Nov 22 18:57:28 <MohammadAG> checks if high speed is really high speed etc
Nov 22 18:57:42 <MohammadAG> https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=commitdiff;h=e76da6b011b4112a9755593efdcdd57b327492f0
Nov 22 18:59:27 <DocScrutinizer> aah, ok
Nov 22 18:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> fair enough. This *is* an API change
Nov 22 19:00:38 <DocScrutinizer> though, as long as your GUI doesn't use this feature, you should check for version >=20101104 anyway
Nov 22 19:01:23 <djszapi> Could someone manage a working doc reader on N900 ?
Nov 22 19:01:45 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 22 19:01:45 <ohwhyme> whats the difference between a fiasco image and a zimage?
Nov 22 19:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> as it's now your new GUI will refuse to work with older API-version kernels, just for the mismatch in version checking
Nov 22 19:01:52 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'd do that, if I knew how to :)
Nov 22 19:02:30 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I'm still new to Qt, just replaced a couple of system()s with their proper Qt code
Nov 22 19:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> just do a compare of the strings
Nov 22 19:04:02 <DocScrutinizer> not for equal but for greater-or-equal
Nov 22 19:04:23 <MohammadAG> yeah, but how would the app know that 20101110 > 20101104?
Nov 22 19:04:34 <MohammadAG> it might be true now, but I hate dates as version numbers
Nov 22 19:04:45 <DocScrutinizer> by ascii sort order
Nov 22 19:05:59 <DocScrutinizer> or you do two compares for the two versions you know you support
Nov 22 19:07:31 <DocScrutinizer> probably better. When I specified that versioning scheme I thought of augemnts to API that don't break backwards compatibility. As it looks now we need a break though sooner than I expected
Nov 22 19:12:46 <DocScrutinizer> as paul raped the "F" and thus broke compatibility to former proc/driver/musb_hdrc debugging interface, where F means Force-session, not Enumerate (which would have been "e" in former API). So I tend to go back to formaer API for that which means your GUI will have to echo e instead of echo F then, for enumerate
Nov 22 19:13:38 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 22 19:14:35 <DocScrutinizer> also I wasn't aware he discarded the whole bunch of other debug cmds in proc interface, except for that abused F
Nov 22 19:17:42 <DocScrutinizer> As he seems to not feel like including this to his h-e-n kernel patches, I might prepare a patch to join the proc interface as of sarahn with pauls patches, and that will become next API version that's not compatible to 20101104 or 20101110, but instead will keep compatibility to pre-PF h-e-n kernels and their proc debug API
Nov 22 19:18:25 <CaCO3> Does sombody know why the lib Libgc1c2 is only in the SDK repos? http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgc1c2/
Nov 22 19:18:35 <RST38h> Steve Jobs invents mobile printing!!!!
Nov 22 19:19:38 <CaCO3> and how we can get it into the extra repos one?
Nov 22 19:20:22 <MohammadAG> just upload it
Nov 22 19:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I plan to do extensive tests on that version plus a matching GUI then, base jrbme on this, and we might go for non-beta proper release 0.1 with it
Nov 22 19:20:45 <CaCO3> Am I allowed to do that? do i have to change the version ?
Nov 22 19:20:59 <MohammadAG> probably not
Nov 22 19:21:47 <CaCO3> will it show up on the same place as the SDK ones, or is there a conflict?
Nov 22 19:22:15 <Arkenoi> RST38h, too bad others forgot it. the latest and lightest mobile printer one can find is citizen pn60i. but it is 15 years old, supplies are hard to obtain and it is irda only so i cannot print from n900 anyways (even if we had cups support ubiquitous)
Nov 22 19:22:47 <RST38h> Arkenoi: there is plenty of wifi-connected desktop printers
Nov 22 19:23:02 <RST38h> not that I ever had anything to print from the phone...
Nov 22 19:23:35 <Arkenoi> RST38h, and not a single one you can take to an "outdoor" meeting
Nov 22 19:24:20 <RST38h> Arkenoi: depends =)
Nov 22 19:24:33 <Arkenoi> well, nothing like citizen pn60i anyways
Nov 22 19:24:54 <RST38h> wait, other pocket printers do exist
Nov 22 19:25:04 <Arkenoi> and there is no "print" button in maemo software (is it really hard to pipe stuff to lpr?)
Nov 22 19:25:25 <Arkenoi> RST38h, nope, they do not (thermal paper and a6 do not qualify)
Nov 22 19:25:31 <RST38h> http://www.nextag.com/pocket-printers/shop-html
Nov 22 19:26:19 <DocScrutinizer> Arkenoi: I owned a ink jet printer (Siemens?) that had 5 A cells
Nov 22 19:27:06 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, how much did it weight?
Nov 22 19:27:13 <DocScrutinizer> muuuch
Nov 22 19:27:23 <Arkenoi> RST38h, as i said -- either thermal or not really portable or both
Nov 22 19:28:01 <RST38h> why is thermal bad?
Nov 22 19:28:16 <DocScrutinizer> thermal is BS
Nov 22 19:28:21 <Arkenoi> RST38h, requires special paper, it sucks. and the paper itself sucks.
Nov 22 19:29:15 <DocScrutinizer> 1985 I had a fax that worked with thermal paper. Was a constant PITA
Nov 22 19:29:19 <RST38h> well, inkjet-printed stuff cannot stand the rain
Nov 22 19:29:25 <DocScrutinizer> in all respects
Nov 22 19:29:28 <RST38h> whichimho sucks more
Nov 22 19:29:58 <Arkenoi> RST38h, actually it sucks less. and thermal paper "documents" look like shit.
Nov 22 19:30:24 <RST38h> well that depends on the paper quality of course
Nov 22 19:30:30 <DocScrutinizer> we should create a printing app
Nov 22 19:30:42 <RST38h> I hope we are not talking the Elekrtonika60 thermal printer?
Nov 22 19:30:53 <korhojoa> hmm
Nov 22 19:30:54 <DocScrutinizer> wait - isn't that app there, called CUPS
Nov 22 19:30:59 <Arkenoi> RST38h, all of them do.
Nov 22 19:31:26 <Arkenoi> DocScrutinizer, there is cups, but no maemo application have any visible "print" button
Nov 22 19:31:44 <Arkenoi> even Docs2go, pdf reader, web browser and modest
Nov 22 19:31:59 <DocScrutinizer> print button pfffff
Nov 22 19:32:14 <korhojoa> hmm
Nov 22 19:32:18 <korhojoa> openoffice should do printing
Nov 22 19:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> export to pdf, store to: printer
Nov 22 19:32:22 <Arkenoi> you may save pdf and print via command line, but it sucks ;-)
Nov 22 19:32:24 <Arkenoi> yes
Nov 22 19:32:48 <RST38h> N900 version of OpenOffice is a freaking joke =(
Nov 22 19:33:56 <korhojoa> true
Nov 22 19:33:57 <Arkenoi> RST38h, not really, compared how could it work on n9, thanks to capacitive screen fanboys
Nov 22 19:34:03 <korhojoa> takes forever to load and is old as shit
Nov 22 19:34:29 <Choom> <- capacitive fanboy
Nov 22 19:34:30 <RST38h> Arkenoi: N9 does have a keyboard, right?
Nov 22 19:34:30 <Arkenoi> btw for some obscure reason it looks better from easydebian than "standalone" version
Nov 22 19:34:50 <DocScrutinizer> but I agree there's a lack of print menu entries/buttons. Even if there's no printer at all in maemo, the print dialog sahould offer "print to file", so the lack of proper printer interface in maemo is no argument to not have print functions where ever appropriate
Nov 22 19:34:51 <RST38h> standalone version has been...well...adapted
Nov 22 19:34:56 <Choom> though I don't have an N9
Nov 22 19:35:14 <Choom> I'm hoping for the N900 successor to come with a capacitive touchscreen
Nov 22 19:35:38 <Choom> that's the only downside of the N900 for me, other than that I'm a happy customer
Nov 22 19:35:52 <DocScrutinizer> BLAH
Nov 22 19:35:55 <korhojoa> why capacitive?
Nov 22 19:36:00 <korhojoa> i really don't like them
Nov 22 19:36:06 <korhojoa> hitting my fingers on glass
Nov 22 19:36:06 <DocScrutinizer> c-ts is the reason I never will buy a N9
Nov 22 19:36:10 <Arkenoi> what is capacitive screen good for? sexy "touch, don't press" feel? is it really worth something?
Nov 22 19:36:14 <Choom> because it's a lot more sensitive to touch
Nov 22 19:36:16 <korhojoa> fuck capacitive
Nov 22 19:36:19 <WakiMiko> pinch to zoom is nice though
Nov 22 19:36:23 <Choom> there are capacitive styluses too
Nov 22 19:36:27 <WakiMiko> they suck
Nov 22 19:36:30 <korhojoa> yes, and they're huge
Nov 22 19:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> HAHAHA
Nov 22 19:36:40 * RST38h disabled allmultitouch features onhis laptop trackpad
Nov 22 19:36:49 <RST38h> Including the pinch-to-zoom stuff
Nov 22 19:36:50 <Arkenoi> and i do not see any advantages of pitch to zoom over zoom button
Nov 22 19:36:51 <DocScrutinizer> that's not stylus, you can eat them
Nov 22 19:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> it's Wieners
Nov 22 19:36:58 <korhojoa> DocScrutinizer, :DD
Nov 22 19:37:00 <RST38h> It is freaking CONFUSING
Nov 22 19:37:10 <WakiMiko> how is it confusing
Nov 22 19:37:26 <Choom> scrolling with the N900's resistive screen with your fingers sucks a bit
Nov 22 19:37:26 <RST38h> The trackpad behaves erratically
Nov 22 19:37:35 <WakiMiko> Choom: i use my fingernails
Nov 22 19:37:39 <RST38h> When you touch it with two fingers, by chance, it starts zooming leftandright
Nov 22 19:38:16 <RST38h> Sometimes it scrolls windowfor no apparentreason (appears to be a zone of the trackpad that does it, but it is not marked)
Nov 22 19:38:23 <digitalstimulus> is there a way to adjust the volume of play-sound on n810?  the sound playing the default beep is more quiet than when the default beep plays adjusting the sound level
Nov 22 19:38:32 <lcuk> RST38h, multitouch stroke across the screen http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png
Nov 22 19:38:58 <RST38h> lcuk: Nice, but normally,I am not drawing whale carcasses
Nov 22 19:39:09 <lcuk> sure
Nov 22 19:39:09 <RST38h> lcuk: I am browsing, or programming,or something
Nov 22 19:39:13 <lcuk> just testing
Nov 22 19:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> digitalstimulus: none known here
Nov 22 19:39:47 <digitalstimulus> docscrutinizer thanks, I figured
Nov 22 19:40:15 <DocScrutinizer> digitalstimulus: a big flaw in play-sound
Nov 22 19:40:37 <digitalstimulus> I don't understand why the volume is lower on play-sound than everything else
Nov 22 19:40:49 <DocScrutinizer> here it's not
Nov 22 19:41:20 <MohammadAG> lcuk, that pic's kinda irritating for eyes :P
Nov 22 19:41:21 <DocScrutinizer> on N900 it seems play-sound always using max volume, even when master volume is down to 2%
Nov 22 19:41:55 <digitalstimulus> hmm, on n810, the default beep sound plays when adjusting the volume.  At max volume it plays louder than play-sound outputs
Nov 22 19:41:56 <lcuk> MohammadAG, its also kinda awesome to draw
Nov 22 19:42:01 <lcuk> it makes curly loops when you draw it
Nov 22 19:42:27 <lcuk> to write stuff i have to engage chalk board writing mode though
Nov 22 19:42:37 * lcuk really really wishes this device had a stylus
Nov 22 19:44:08 <thresh> ohai
Nov 22 19:45:06 <MohammadAG> lcuk, which device is "this"
Nov 22 19:45:23 <lcuk> the lenovo ideapad from the meego conf
Nov 22 19:45:38 <lcuk> 10" multitouch running meego netbook
Nov 22 19:45:52 <MohammadAG> ah
Nov 22 19:46:02 <lcuk> at present sat between my keyboard and lap trying to replace the a4 pad that used to live there :)
Nov 22 19:46:36 <MohammadAG> replying to spam, to kill boredom, http://i51.tinypic.com/9uyzc0.jpg
Nov 22 19:47:45 <MohammadAG> any ideas why this isn't working?     if(!QFile::exists("/proc/driver/musb_hdrc")) {
Nov 22 19:47:47 <MohammadAG>         QMessageBox::critical(this, tr("Fatal Error"), tr("h-e-n is running on a device that doesn't have the musb OTG driver!"));
Nov 22 19:47:47 <MohammadAG>         QApplication::exit(1);
Nov 22 19:48:09 <MohammadAG> the app doesn't quit
Nov 22 19:49:20 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't quit or doesn't even notify user?
Nov 22 19:50:32 <lcuk> MohammadAG, potentially threading related? bail out of the function before doing naything else perhaps?
Nov 22 19:50:42 * lcuk does not know for certain tho
Nov 22 19:53:06 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, doesn't quit, UI shows up after I click ok
Nov 22 19:53:50 <lcuk> MohammadAG, when are you running this code? which method?
Nov 22 19:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so QApplication::exit(1); doesn't do what you think it should, right?
Nov 22 19:55:06 <MohammadAG> lcuk, constructor
Nov 22 19:55:11 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Nov 22 19:56:00 <lcuk> MohammadAG, the constructor for your class which is subclassed from qapplication?
Nov 22 19:56:39 <lcuk> ie, making use of methods which (I would expect) to not be ready until the construction was completed..)
Nov 22 19:56:49 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Nov 22 19:57:00 <MohammadAG> hmm
Nov 22 19:57:19 <lcuk> try flushing a toilet in a half built bathroom
Nov 22 19:57:25 <lcuk> and see if the water goes where you expect
Nov 22 19:57:46 <crashanddie_> lcuk: I'm guessing you're supposed to do that without using it first?
Nov 22 19:58:06 <lcuk> of course :P
Nov 22 19:58:09 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: set a flag so your application will abort immediately, in main loop
Nov 22 19:58:43 <proycon> Hmm... Can I simply upgrade to pr1.3 with apt-get upgrade?  I guess not?
Nov 22 19:58:55 <lcuk> well how do you cancel construction?
Nov 22 19:59:21 <lcuk> proycon, theres many things you could try, but I would recommend using the backup tool, then using ham
Nov 22 19:59:28 <DocScrutinizer> or simply make constructor throw error, this should suffice for the whole app to terminate, if not caught properly
Nov 22 19:59:29 <crashanddie_> proycon: there are conflicting feedback about that
Nov 22 19:59:58 <crashanddie_> DocScrutinizer: an exception?
Nov 22 20:00:11 <proycon> hmm..  cause the nokia pc suite thing will wipe and reflash everything right?
Nov 22 20:00:14 <sjk> hmm
Nov 22 20:00:30 <sjk> There are "magic" tv remotes
Nov 22 20:00:40 <sjk> Like, you hit a button on them and they find out what brand the tv is, somehow
Nov 22 20:00:49 <sjk> And then it knows what to send
Nov 22 20:01:00 <sjk> I want qtirreco to do that too. :)
Nov 22 20:01:09 <sjk> I have a Samsung tv but I have no idea what model etc
Nov 22 20:01:14 <DocScrutinizer51> nope there aren't
Nov 22 20:02:52 <DocScrutinizer51> those magic remotes work by you pressing a button until TV reacts (usually shutting off) So the remote knows the last time it used the right code
Nov 22 20:03:28 <crashanddie_> proycon: as lcuk said, backup. Then use Hildon Application Manager to try the upgrade. If it says you need to use PC-Suite, either use pc-suite, or flash
Nov 22 20:03:32 <sjk> Hrm. Well, then I'd want Irreco to do that. ;-)
Nov 22 20:03:55 <DocScrutinizer> without feedback of you to tell remote "it worked" there's no way for it to find proper code
Nov 22 20:03:56 <proycon> yeah, that's what I did yeah..and it indeed said to use pc-suite
Nov 22 20:04:02 <sjk> I don't have a television set myself, but there is a couple at the gym. I'd like to be able to turn up the volume sometimes, but I don't know what model the tv is
Nov 22 20:04:05 <crashanddie_> sjk: irreco can't, IIRC, there is no infrared receiver
Nov 22 20:04:07 <sjk> I just know it's a Samsung
Nov 22 20:06:41 <DocScrutinizer> sjk: you could write a script for lirc, to cycle tru a set of definition files, and you hit a button as soon as the script sends a code that does what you want, so the script tells you which definition it used. Then find a matching irreco remote definition
Nov 22 20:07:40 <sjk> DocScrutinizer, good idea
Nov 22 20:09:45 <DocScrutinizer> sjk: you find the backend definitions in /home/user/MyDocs/irreco/InternalLircDevices/*
Nov 22 20:11:32 <DocScrutinizer> sjk: have a look into /etc/init.d/lirc
Nov 22 20:11:45 <sjk> Hmmm, interesting. I'll see if I can work something out, I'll keep you guys posted. :)
Nov 22 20:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> you can use netcat or socat to talk to lirc from your script, though I'm sure there are generic lirc cmdline tools to do that as well
Nov 22 20:14:44 <Aranel> Anybody using kernel-power 46? is it safe?
Nov 22 20:15:30 <DocScrutinizer> safe for waht?
Nov 22 20:15:39 <Aranel> safe to install? from HAM?
Nov 22 20:15:54 * MohammadAG looks at his device
Nov 22 20:15:55 <DocScrutinizer> I'd hope so
Nov 22 20:16:02 * MohammadAG looks back at PC
Nov 22 20:16:11 <MohammadAG> nope, looks alive to me
Nov 22 20:16:16 <Aranel> lol ok xD
Nov 22 20:16:19 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Nov 22 20:17:19 <Aranel> MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: do you have multiboot installed?
Nov 22 20:17:23 <DocScrutinizer> just don't feed it after midnight, or get it in touch with water, otherwise....
Nov 22 20:17:37 <DocScrutinizer> nah, multiboot is EVIL :-D
Nov 22 20:18:15 <Aranel> well, too late , I installed it months ago :| I wonder if uboot conflicts with it.
Nov 22 20:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> honestly it won't be a happy ending to try and install power kernel on a multiboot system without taking special care
Nov 22 20:18:30 <DocScrutinizer> you bet it does
Nov 22 20:18:40 <Aranel> special care as in apt-get remove multiboot ?
Nov 22 20:18:49 <DocScrutinizer> for example, yes
Nov 22 20:19:15 <Aranel> it looks easy.
Nov 22 20:19:17 <DocScrutinizer> or like in "check multiboot howto about how to install a new kernel"
Nov 22 20:19:53 <Aranel> lol is there any up-to-date howto for that?
Nov 22 20:20:28 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, but basically if you got uBoot the why'd you need multiboot anyway
Nov 22 20:21:21 <Aranel> well, b/c I'm scared of removing multiboot.
Nov 22 20:21:30 <DocScrutinizer> multiboot is a clever but really ugly and 'dangerous' hack. AIUI it reflashes kernel on every boot
Nov 22 20:22:28 <DocScrutinizer> so it's pretty obvious why simple flashing of a new kernel won't work on multiboot - no matter if it's powerkernel or anything else
Nov 22 20:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> at best it gets reverted immediately on next multi-boot
Nov 22 20:23:44 <Aranel> do you know if apt-get remove multiboot works or not?
Nov 22 20:23:53 <DocScrutinizer> usually you end with a bootlooping device and you need to properly reflash fiasco COMBINED
Nov 22 20:24:00 <DocScrutinizer> no idea
Nov 22 20:26:20 <Aranel> DocScrutinizer: hmm Google says NITdroid autoinstaller removes multiboot.
Nov 22 20:26:30 <Aranel> worth trying it :D
Nov 22 20:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Nov 22 20:26:43 <DocScrutinizer> well
Nov 22 20:27:13 <DocScrutinizer> cya
Nov 22 20:30:12 <eichi> hello, are there log files in maemo on n800 that uses to much space or other kinds of data, i can delete (caches etc)
Nov 22 20:34:00 <Aranel> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=50811&page=51
Nov 22 20:34:05 <Aranel> look at the first post.
Nov 22 20:35:10 <Aranel> how could he/anyone drew a pic that nice on n900? special app or something? I'm just curious.
Nov 22 20:36:33 <Aranel> eichi: I don't know anything about N800 but common sense says that you should check /var/log if you want to remove log files. And /tmp for temporary files I guess.
Nov 22 20:36:49 <lcuk> Aranel, mypaint is used by many :)
Nov 22 20:37:00 * lcuk prefers simple sketches
Nov 22 20:38:00 <Aranel> lcuk: well, then you will fall in love with my last masterpiece: http://www.aranelsurion.org/wp-content/Sketch.sketch-300x127.png
Nov 22 20:38:15 <eichi> Aranel: kay, good idea, but maybe i have to move boot to sd card again go get "infinity" space again ;)
Nov 22 20:38:19 <alterego> Great, now I'm getting that annoying Qt mobility location services not working.
Nov 22 20:38:39 <Aranel> I hated Art classes when I was high-schooler :|
Nov 22 20:38:40 <lcuk> alterego, you have scary imagination
Nov 22 20:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> Aranel: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41807
Nov 22 20:38:52 <alterego> pfft
Nov 22 20:39:16 <lcuk> alterego, one of my latest doodles http://liqbase.net/liq.20101122_111707.liqtop1.scr.png
Nov 22 20:39:22 <alterego> It's annoying, because nothing has really changed to stop it from initializing the GPS and using it, it just doesn't work :/
Nov 22 20:40:22 <Aranel> DocScrutinizer: looks very cool, hope I can do better on it :)
Nov 22 20:43:49 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  ping
Nov 22 20:45:31 <MohammadAG> NooBmonk3y, pong
Nov 22 20:45:35 <NooBmonk3y> ooo Mo Mo!
Nov 22 20:45:38 <NooBmonk3y> Qt::WA_Maemo5StackedWindow !!
Nov 22 20:45:42 * NooBmonk3y needs help
Nov 22 20:45:48 <NooBmonk3y> i have 1 mainwindow....
Nov 22 20:45:59 <NooBmonk3y> i want to press a button and it opens up another mainwindow
Nov 22 20:46:00 <crashanddie_> NooBmonk3y: I thought you understood the drill no
Nov 22 20:46:01 <crashanddie_> now
Nov 22 20:46:06 <crashanddie_> show code, ask question, get answer
Nov 22 20:46:07 <NooBmonk3y> theres a drill?
Nov 22 20:46:14 <NooBmonk3y> crashanddie,  what if i have no code?
Nov 22 20:46:27 <NooBmonk3y> its theoretical code, :P
Nov 22 20:46:36 <crashanddie_> then ask code, on one line
Nov 22 20:46:37 <crashanddie_> not 25
Nov 22 20:46:40 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Nov 22 20:46:43 <MohammadAG> NooBmonk3y, then read mine :)
Nov 22 20:46:51 <NooBmonk3y> read yours? oh psfreedom?
Nov 22 20:46:57 <MohammadAG> NooBmonk3y, I have 3 (or was it 4...) stacked windows in PSFreedom
Nov 22 20:47:00 <NooBmonk3y> can i have the git pleeeeeeeeeease
Nov 22 20:47:17 <MohammadAG> and 2 in hostmode-gui
Nov 22 20:47:20 <MohammadAG> 3*
Nov 22 20:47:21 <NooBmonk3y> :P
Nov 22 20:48:16 <MohammadAG> http://gitorious.org/n900-hostmode/hostmode-gui/trees/master
Nov 22 20:48:16 <MohammadAG> code's shorter :P
Nov 22 20:48:16 <MohammadAG> check mainwindow.cpp and aboutwindow.cpp
Nov 22 20:48:25 <MohammadAG> helpwindow.cpp actually
Nov 22 20:48:25 <NooBmonk3y> thanks Mo :)
Nov 22 20:48:29 <MohammadAG> damn that commit is old...
Nov 22 20:48:46 <MohammadAG> yw :)
Nov 22 20:49:06 <MohammadAG> you need the attribute in both windows afaik, the main one, and the stacked window
Nov 22 20:49:15 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  do both windows have to be MainWindows i assume?
Nov 22 20:49:18 <MohammadAG> just use CTRL + F on the files
Nov 22 20:49:54 <MohammadAG> QMainWindows, yes
Nov 22 20:49:54 <NooBmonk3y> :|
Nov 22 20:50:07 <MohammadAG> how do you want to have a stacked dialog? lol
Nov 22 20:52:07 <NooBmonk3y> ?
Nov 22 20:52:10 <NooBmonk3y> meh
Nov 22 20:53:55 <Aranel> is there a known bugs manual for kernel-power 46? or can someone just say what does work and what does not?
Nov 22 20:55:44 <alterego> This is very annoying ..
Nov 22 20:57:39 <MohammadAG> alterego, what is?
Nov 22 20:57:59 <alterego> It's a pain in the arse that's what it is.
Nov 22 20:59:54 <alterego> Well, code that has been working fine for ages, now doesn't seem to be working.
Nov 22 21:00:05 <alterego> And there's nothing wrong with it.
Nov 22 21:00:13 <alterego> Oh, nooooow it's working.
Nov 22 21:00:25 * alterego looks at what changed.
Nov 22 21:00:55 <MohammadAG> alterego, heh, I got about 10 segfaults, just because the device was in portrait mode
Nov 22 21:01:01 <MohammadAG> I have no idea why that happened
Nov 22 21:01:04 <alterego> Noice :D
Nov 22 21:02:05 <DocScrutinizer51> RST38h: how about a direct way to zoom fontsize in xchat?
Nov 22 21:03:16 <Aranel> DocScrutinizer: do you have uboot installed now?
Nov 22 21:03:30 <DocScrutinizer51> no
Nov 22 21:03:44 <Aranel> so it's not required for kernel-power?
Nov 22 21:04:00 <DocScrutinizer51> no
Nov 22 21:04:13 <Aranel> ^^
Nov 22 21:04:21 <DocScrutinizer51> but aiui it comes with powerk by default
Nov 22 21:04:35 <Aranel> and how did you remove it?
Nov 22 21:04:56 <Aranel> (and why? :p)
Nov 22 21:05:03 <DocScrutinizer51> I'm on PR1.2 with patches here
Nov 22 21:05:41 <DocScrutinizer51> my devel device has h-e-n kernel
Nov 22 21:05:57 <DocScrutinizer51> pre-power
Nov 22 21:06:27 <Aranel> oh, ok
Nov 22 21:08:55 <johndo> hi
Nov 22 21:09:23 <johndo> does anybody know if either the fcam drivers or frontview is incompatible with 1.3?
Nov 22 21:09:55 <MohammadAG> no, but they're incompatible with kernel-power
Nov 22 21:09:59 <ShadowJK> frontview seems to work
Nov 22 21:10:36 <DocScrutinizer51> fcam is conflicting with 1.3
Nov 22 21:10:39 <johndo> i lost my /dev/video? devices after installing frontview
Nov 22 21:10:50 <johndo> but not sure if i lost them before
Nov 22 21:11:40 <johndo> ok, than probably fcam was the problem
Nov 22 21:11:58 <johndo> after removing all fcam stuff and reboot i got the devices back
Nov 22 21:12:23 <johndo> so i'm going to retry fronview, thank you
Nov 22 21:12:48 <NooBmonk3y> Thank you MohammadAG  :) :)
Nov 22 21:12:51 <NooBmonk3y> got it working
Nov 22 21:13:04 <NooBmonk3y> now i just need to figure out how to make the new window full screen ;)
Nov 22 21:14:13 <MohammadAG> easily
Nov 22 21:14:46 <MohammadAG> QMainWindow::showFullScreen() would be one way
Nov 22 21:14:48 <NooBmonk3y> myscreenColour->showFullScreen();
Nov 22 21:14:50 <NooBmonk3y> hehe
Nov 22 21:14:52 <NooBmonk3y> lol u beat me
Nov 22 21:15:11 <NooBmonk3y> oo shite
Nov 22 21:15:19 <MohammadAG> and, I'm done :D
Nov 22 21:15:25 <NooBmonk3y> destroy ui; doesnt work to close it lol
Nov 22 21:15:25 * MohammadAG packages up new h-e-n
Nov 22 21:15:29 <NooBmonk3y> w0000t
Nov 22 21:15:39 <MohammadAG> a tip given to me by w00t_
Nov 22 21:15:57 <MohammadAG> setAttribute(Qt::WA_DeleteOnClose); <-- add it to the constructor
Nov 22 21:16:10 <MohammadAG> to close it, use close()
Nov 22 21:16:55 <w00t_> isn't nooby a python guy?
Nov 22 21:17:01 <w00t_> i'm not sure you need that for python
Nov 22 21:17:24 <NooBmonk3y> lol :P
Nov 22 21:17:33 <NooBmonk3y> w00t :) - moving healthcheck to qt / c++
Nov 22 21:17:39 <w00t_> ah
Nov 22 21:17:40 <w00t_> cool
Nov 22 21:17:55 <NooBmonk3y> might as well leanr 2% of another language this year ;)
Nov 22 21:18:02 <NooBmonk3y> about 80% done though, tis on it's way :)
Nov 22 21:18:30 <NooBmonk3y> learn*
Nov 22 21:19:07 <NooBmonk3y> ahaaaaaaaaaa working
Nov 22 21:19:11 * NooBmonk3y cuddles MohammadAG 
Nov 22 21:19:24 * MohammadAG passes the cuddles to those who helped
Nov 22 21:19:39 <MohammadAG> alterego, w00t_ and Venemo :)
Nov 22 21:21:01 <alterego> fangs :)
Nov 22 21:21:41 <MohammadAG> btw alterego, I really like coding manually :P
Nov 22 21:21:49 <alterego> It's fun isn't it:)
Nov 22 21:21:55 <MohammadAG> hopefully, won't need to use Qt Designer again
Nov 22 21:22:20 <alterego> Well, I'd still use it occasionally if I needed to knock something up quickly and I knew I didn't need to do anything special.
Nov 22 21:22:34 <alterego> Which is quite rare, as I'm addicted to custom widgets ..
Nov 22 21:23:16 <johndo> frontview is working and /dev/video is still there, so frontview was innocent
Nov 22 21:23:33 <MohammadAG> nope, no custom widgets here, but I hate setGeometry :)
Nov 22 21:23:33 <johndo> thought it would handle camera directly, what it obviously does not do
Nov 22 21:23:41 <MohammadAG> setGeometry() even
Nov 22 21:23:59 <w00t_> setGeometry loves you
Nov 22 21:25:03 <NooBmonk3y> setGeometry wants MohammadAG's babies i hear....
Nov 22 21:25:17 * MohammadAG gets out his knife again
Nov 22 21:26:45 <MohammadAG> alterego, took some time, but it's done http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=880625&postcount=426
Nov 22 21:27:17 <alterego> Meh, the best things do, I've been working on Columbus for 3 months ^.^
Nov 22 21:27:23 <BCMM> MohammadAG: shiny!
Nov 22 21:28:10 <alterego> MohammadAG: Why don't you remove the lable and use QMaemo5ValueButton(tr("Default File Manager");
Nov 22 21:28:13 <alterego> instead.
Nov 22 21:30:58 <BCMM> does kernel-power work with fcam?
Nov 22 21:31:17 <johndo> not on 1.3, just run into that
Nov 22 21:31:28 <alterego> MohammadAG: which is what QMaemo5ValueButton is for ;)
Nov 22 21:31:38 <BCMM> johndo: sorry, was that a response to me?
Nov 22 21:32:00 <johndo> BCMM: oops, yes. forgot the name
Nov 22 21:34:07 <BCMM> any idea if there are plans to provide fcam support in kernel-power?
Nov 22 21:38:00 <satmd> hello
Nov 22 21:38:22 <satmd> I just wanted to tell you that my eap-tls problem vanished with the latest firmware
Nov 22 21:38:26 <satmd> :)
Nov 22 21:39:23 <alterego> Woo :)
Nov 22 21:39:36 <alterego> One satisfied customer then ;)
Nov 22 21:40:23 <thresh> and only
Nov 22 21:40:28 <thresh> ;p
Nov 22 21:40:33 * alterego test network NMEA streaming
Nov 22 21:40:59 <satmd> sadly, the n900 doesn't always autoconnect to wifi
Nov 22 21:41:01 <satmd> ;)
Nov 22 21:41:18 <satmd> well at least it wasn't me who messed up the radius :p
Nov 22 21:42:33 * MohammadAG wonders why modest's Nokia Messaging plugin uses a gtk box instead of a hildon one
Nov 22 21:44:32 <alterego> Really?
Nov 22 21:44:34 <alterego> Urgh :P
Nov 22 21:47:08 <alterego> Well, TCP network streaming works, both as server or client.
Nov 22 21:47:19 <MohammadAG> alterego, yeah, theming clearly shows it
Nov 22 21:48:04 <MohammadAG> night o/
Nov 22 21:48:26 <alterego> You off?
Nov 22 21:48:30 <alterego> Bit early isn't it?!
Nov 22 21:48:47 <MohammadAG> school
Nov 22 21:48:53 <alterego> Oh, haha
Nov 22 21:49:02 * MohammadAG sobs
Nov 22 21:49:20 <MohammadAG> i need a netbook with Qt Creator
Nov 22 21:49:50 <alterego> It works alright, when you get it to use all real estate.
Nov 22 21:50:01 <alterego> You should run it as your shell ^.^
Nov 22 21:50:11 <MohammadAG> heh
Nov 22 21:50:37 <BCMM> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=867665 amused me
Nov 22 21:50:43 <MohammadAG> some periods at school just don't deserve any of my (or others') time
Nov 22 21:51:09 <GAN900> Another iPhone user surprised by the N900s easy learning curve.
Nov 22 21:51:42 <DocScrutinizer51> WTF? Renesas Mobile Corp will buy out Nokia's GSM modem division
Nov 22 21:51:45 * MohammadAG wants Qt Creator on the N900
Nov 22 21:51:57 <NooBmonk3y> W00000t
Nov 22 21:51:58 <MohammadAG> that would rock, and probably suck at the same time :P
Nov 22 21:52:09 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  Dead Pixel test now working on the new healthcheck :)
Nov 22 21:53:29 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, I thought they already did
Nov 22 21:53:46 <MohammadAG> NooBmonk3y, :D
Nov 22 21:54:02 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer51: why is that a separate division that can be sold off? i would've thought that certain hardware and software would be identical between phones and GSM modems...
Nov 22 21:54:17 <BCMM> (i mean, that doing both would make sense)
Nov 22 21:54:20 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Nov 22 21:54:27 <BCMM> (i'm trying not to use the word "synergy")
Nov 22 21:54:29 <NooBmonk3y> :) :) - development is moving quite quickly now, got to do things like the screen mousepointer thingy test and things like the keyboard light tests :) - but going well
Nov 22 22:19:43 <djszapi> How can I tell to my vim on N900 to read my /etc/vimrc ?
Nov 22 22:21:23 <nox-> dunno but you can use a ~/.vimrc
Nov 22 22:21:42 <djszapi> I know, but my question was different
Nov 22 22:21:50 <nox-> ok :)
Nov 22 22:23:40 <BCMM> ln -s /etc/vimrc ~/.vimrc?
Nov 22 22:23:57 <nox-> or that
Nov 22 22:24:27 <djszapi> after your ~/.vimrc gets broken you will be in a big trouble and spend days with debugging...
Nov 22 22:24:40 <alterego> Might implement waypoint uploading via bluetooth and TCP in my app for version 2 ..
Nov 22 22:26:36 <ieatlint> unless i'm mistaken, /etc/vimrc isn't a standard search path for any system-wide vimrc file
Nov 22 22:26:45 <djszapi> it is
Nov 22 22:26:49 <ieatlint> /usr/share/vim/vimrc is the default
Nov 22 22:26:58 <ieatlint> others i believe are modified by specific distributions
Nov 22 22:27:11 <djszapi> it is wiser to try out on desktop before saying...
Nov 22 22:27:30 <ieatlint> before say... ?
Nov 22 22:29:42 <djszapi> y
Nov 22 22:29:59 <ieatlint> if you run ":version" in vim, it will report "system vimrc file: "path""
Nov 22 22:30:31 <ieatlint> woo... 3min and docs
Nov 22 22:30:38 <djszapi> I doubt
Nov 22 22:59:13 <DocScrutinizer> man vim; /files *cough*
Nov 22 22:59:37 <DocScrutinizer> took me 8 seconds
Nov 22 23:04:04 <pupnik> happy 5 years of 800x480 handheld linux!  http://www.gsmarena.com/nokia_770_internet_tablet_with_linux-news-124.php
Nov 22 23:04:23 <pupnik> well 5.9 years or whatever
Nov 22 23:04:32 <pupnik> 5.6
Nov 22 23:07:40 <alterego> :)
Nov 22 23:16:47 <pupnik> we completely missed this Linux handheld -
Nov 22 23:16:55 <pupnik> 2009 - sharp's palmtop http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Sharp-NetWalker-PCZ1-Mobile-Internet-Tool/
Nov 22 23:19:36 <pupnik> http://www.pulster.de/index.htm?sharp_sharp_netwalker.htm
Nov 22 23:21:48 <ds3> the return of the Z?
Nov 22 23:48:31 <crashanddie_> pupnik: "we" is pretty large. I knew about it.
Nov 22 23:49:12 <Zushi> good night everyone
Nov 22 23:49:34 <Zushi> i have a question related to my n900
Nov 22 23:50:20 <crashanddie_> ~ask
Nov 22 23:50:20 <infobot> Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic.  Don't ask if you can ask a question first.  Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them.  Better questions more frequently yield better answers.  We are all here voluntarily or against our will.
Nov 22 23:50:37 <pupnik> ~answer
Nov 22 23:50:38 <infobot> 42
Nov 22 23:50:42 <pupnik> stupid bot
Nov 22 23:51:24 <Zushi> anyone anxious to read about :?)
Nov 22 23:52:10 <pupnik> ask or frage doch
Nov 22 23:52:53 <crashanddie_> Zushi: in case you didn't understand what infobot said: just ask the bloody question already.
Nov 22 23:55:02 * javispedro ponders why he just had to write the equivalent of "if (is_device_shut_down()) dont_fsckingly_try_to_wait_for_it_to_answer();" on the linux radeon driver
Nov 22 23:55:09 <pupnik> well this is interesting, there's a revival of the 1906 'pulse jet' to make it go to mach 4
Nov 22 23:55:42 <pupnik> javispedro: i was momentarily stunned by if (is_device_shut_down()
Nov 22 23:55:54 <pupnik> 'how would it execute?' :)
Nov 22 23:56:14 <pupnik> javispedro: for your personal machine?
Nov 22 23:56:18 <javispedro> yep
Nov 22 23:56:51 <javispedro> I just had a stupid moment where the damn machine wouldn't shut down because it was waiting for the secondary video card to answer. a card which was of course off.
Nov 22 23:57:21 <javispedro> of course, this eventually caused me to hard shut it down... in front of an audience. dammit.
Nov 23 00:03:14 <pupnik> ow
Nov 23 00:03:38 <pupnik> i had an ati driver problem in front of an audience, come to think of it
Nov 23 00:04:07 <pupnik> at linuxtag of all things
Nov 23 00:04:15 <pupnik> so what happened with you javispedro
Nov 23 00:06:19 <javispedro> just had to long press power button while forced-smiling :)
Nov 23 00:06:37 <Zushi> ... i did the 1.3 (8mb or so) maemo-update a week ago thrugh the program mannager and after or before -iam not entirely shure - a kernel-update ... n900 was running fine and a lot of smoother as bofore -as i was hoping for ...stupid trackerd or related processes - and then there was another kernel update some days later and the programmannager told me it cant be used becaouse dependencis or something and then while it tried to
Nov 23 00:06:37 <Zushi> go back to the overview of availuable updates wich was taking SOME time i honestly fell asleep and the next time i looked at my n900 i saw the u-boot bootscreen but without backlite and since then a have this magic reboot loop ... i have hundrets of unsaved pictures,videos and textfiles on mydocs(27gb internal) please what should i do :?)
Nov 23 00:07:16 <javispedro> go to talk.maemo.org and see latests posts
Nov 23 00:07:57 <crashanddie_> Zushi: just reflash
Nov 23 00:08:04 <crashanddie_> Zushi: mydocs won't be touched
Nov 23 00:09:19 <javispedro> there's actually no need to reflash afaik, just either remove the mmc or write run noloboot
Nov 23 00:09:30 <javispedro> but check tmo because it's all plastered over there.
Nov 23 00:09:49 <javispedro> s/mmc/sd
Nov 23 00:09:50 <Zushi> what is tmo
Nov 23 00:09:54 <javispedro> talk.maemo.org
Nov 23 00:17:52 <DocScrutinizer> Zushi: you had powerkernel and probably multiboot nstalled
Nov 23 00:18:26 <DocScrutinizer> this second update after 1.3 gave you new powerkernel that comes with uBoot
Nov 23 00:18:59 <nox-> oh powerkernel comes with uboot now?
Nov 23 00:19:16 <DocScrutinizer> alas multiboot is rather picky about how to update kernels. Or you had no multiboot installed and powerkernel update simply went bonkers
Nov 23 00:20:23 <DocScrutinizer> whatever, reflash COMBINED aka fiasco aka kernel+rotfs is your best chance to fix it
Nov 23 00:28:24 <mveplus> can someone check if this working? http://maemo.org/development/
Nov 23 00:29:24 <mveplus> talk.maemo.org is OK but can not open development
Nov 23 00:29:30 <BugBlue> can't connect
Nov 23 00:29:43 <mveplus> thanks
Nov 23 00:30:29 <APTX> http://downforeveryoneorjustme.com/maemo.org :(
Nov 23 00:32:21 <SpeedEvil> And of course - http://paypalus500dollarsanditllbedownforeveryone.com/maemo.org
Nov 23 00:32:30 <SpeedEvil> Though it looks like someones used that.
Nov 23 00:35:19 <Zushi> this combined aka fiasco aka kernel+rootfs you mean is it an imagefile -can you tell what filename/briefdiscription ithas?
Nov 23 00:35:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~flashing
Nov 23 00:35:59 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 23 00:36:05 <DocScrutinizer-8> has details
Nov 23 00:36:25 <BCMM> is there anything special about the N900's USB cable, or will any USB-A to MicroUSB-B cable do for H-E-N stuff?
Nov 23 00:36:37 <SpeedEvil> nothing special
Nov 23 00:36:44 <SpeedEvil> it's just a micro-b to A
Nov 23 00:36:53 <DocScrutinizer-8> absolutely standard
Nov 23 00:36:54 <SpeedEvil> Oh - it has 'nokia' printed on it.
Nov 23 00:37:02 <DocScrutinizer-8> hehe
Nov 23 00:37:03 <SpeedEvil> And a little clip!
Nov 23 00:37:14 <DocScrutinizer-8> a cooool clip
Nov 23 00:37:38 <javispedro> the usb logo! a symbol of the devil!
Nov 23 00:37:43 <BCMM> and has anyone seen a USB A female to microUSB B male cable? i've only found adaptors online
Nov 23 00:37:55 <BCMM> (it would be the neatest solution, in terms of not carrying too much stuff about)
Nov 23 00:37:55 <SpeedEvil> ebay!
Nov 23 00:38:12 <SpeedEvil> Though actually -no, not seen one on ebay.
Nov 23 00:38:15 <SpeedEvil> I've seen one.
Nov 23 00:38:21 <SpeedEvil> But it had duct tape in the middle.
Nov 23 00:38:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> check
Nov 23 00:38:23 <Zushi> javispedro sayd "run noloboot" ... (removing the microsd did nothing ithink) how do i run noloboot? do i enter "run noloboot" ? i am a linux/commandline noob ...
Nov 23 00:38:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> ~hostmode
Nov 23 00:38:29 <infobot> i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527
Nov 23 00:38:31 <BCMM> i mean, only found stuff like http://www.overstock.com/Electronics/Eforcity-USB-2.0-A-to-Micro-B-Female-Male-Adaptor/4488837/product.html?cid=133635 which i reckon looks like a nice way to break my port
Nov 23 00:38:36 <SpeedEvil> yes.
Nov 23 00:38:44 <SpeedEvil> stick-out-adaptors are insane.
Nov 23 00:39:03 <BCMM> i mean the weight of a USB stick is probably OK, but it would be a nice lever if anything stupid happened
Nov 23 00:39:10 <javispedro> Zushi: if you removed the microsd and it did nothing then I guess reflashing the combined image is your only option as DocScrutinizer-8 said
Nov 23 00:39:45 <BCMM> hmm, i've found micro b male to micro b male cables
Nov 23 00:39:48 <javispedro> Zushi: you will lose all installed applications, but hopefully not anything extra.
Nov 23 00:40:04 <BCMM> which, combined with an adaptor, would probably be the second-smallest solution
Nov 23 00:40:30 <BCMM> oh no wait one end of that is mini...
Nov 23 00:40:40 <DocScrutinizer-8> BCMM: please check the hostmode threads
Nov 23 00:40:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> there's a lot of nice adapters linked there
Nov 23 00:41:10 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer-8: it's in the two remaining pages i haven't read and i look like an idiot now, right?
Nov 23 00:42:38 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=877938&postcount=400
Nov 23 00:42:45 <BCMM> oh my more pages have happened since i started reading this...
Nov 23 00:43:26 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: i'm sorry, you must be really fed up of people asking stuff that's already answered in the thread by now
Nov 23 00:43:37 <ds3> hmmm they got power working on hostmode?
Nov 23 00:43:40 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Nov 23 00:43:59 <BCMM> i think i skipped over that one because i feel a bit vague about what OTG is and assumed it was wired differently
Nov 23 00:43:59 <javispedro> ds3: "they"? DocScrutinizer is on this channel ;)
Nov 23 00:44:15 <ds3> they as in the gods
Nov 23 00:44:16 <BCMM> or something
Nov 23 00:44:27 <ds3> was expecting to have to do power injection sort of like on the 770
Nov 23 00:45:16 <DocScrutinizer> ds3: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=649339#post649339
Nov 23 00:45:17 <mveplus> ds3: I'm waiting to that option for my ext.HDD to come
Nov 23 00:45:31 <mveplus> in next updat :)
Nov 23 00:48:28 <DocScrutinizer> ds3: hostmode team for sure is a bunch cute guys, but at least I myslef don't think I'm a God :-P
Nov 23 00:48:52 <ds3> DocScrutinizer: I would disagree with that comment... at least one of them is not a guy :P
Nov 23 00:49:32 <DocScrutinizer> ack, Sarah had done a great part on the early pushing
Nov 23 00:49:35 <BCMM> so are N810 OTG cables "special", or are they just normal cables?
Nov 23 00:50:22 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: also normal cables, if you really speak of OTG cables
Nov 23 00:50:41 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: well, i speak of ebay, so the description is probably wrong :)
Nov 23 00:50:43 <BCMM> http://cgi.ebay.com/Micro-USB-Host-Cable-for-Nokia-N810-OTG-on-the-go-N-810_W0QQitemZ260696657151QQcategoryZ20336QQcmdZViewItemQQ_trksidZp4340.m263QQ_trkparmsZalgo=SIC&its=I%252BC&itu=UCI%252BIA%252BUA%252BFICS%252BUFI&otn=10&pmod=260685452815&ps=63&clkid=5143855283775190161
Nov 23 00:50:52 <BCMM> woah, that was more text than i was expecting, sorry
Nov 23 00:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=878174&postcount=402
Nov 23 00:52:04 <DocScrutinizer> or what else are you taling about?
Nov 23 00:52:32 <BCMM> ok, i fail reading comprehension again, sorry
Nov 23 00:52:56 <BCMM> the first time round i didn't quite realise that the n810 can take a and b
Nov 23 00:53:19 <BCMM> so i thought that thing was mis-described, since that is clearly a B plug
Nov 23 00:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> yep, a rather special and nice cable. As mentioned in #402
Nov 23 00:55:01 <DocScrutinizer> a proper OTG cable would need a micro-A plug
Nov 23 00:55:17 <Zushi> javispedro: HOPEFULLY not anything extra ? do you mean with extra the mydocs(27gb internal) or what (do you know where the dcim folder is located)? and what do you mean with hopefully
Nov 23 00:55:47 <DocScrutinizer> dcim is on mydocs
Nov 23 00:56:37 <DocScrutinizer> with hopefully he probably meant we all hope you don't suffer from corruption of that filesystem
Nov 23 00:56:52 <DocScrutinizer> which is rather unlikely
Nov 23 00:57:10 <javispedro> or some application storing data on a place it shouldn't, which is also unlikely so far.
Nov 23 00:57:22 * BCMM rages at ebay
Nov 23 00:57:37 <BCMM> micro and mini aren't the same thing, bad ebay seller
Nov 23 00:59:52 <Zushi> thats nice of you all realy :)
Nov 23 01:04:04 <DocScrutinizer> Zushi: as a rule of thumb, a reflash of rootfs only will delete very few very special data that is stored in /etc and the like, and it will delete programs installed to /bin or /local/bin etc. You get all this back later when reinstalling those programs - the particular settings e.g for email, IM accounts, game highscores and whatnot are all stored in your homedir which isn't touched by a normal fiasco flashing
Nov 23 01:06:00 <DocScrutinizer> ok, your desktop settings are also stored in /etc, at least parts of that - afaik
Nov 23 01:06:23 <DocScrutinizer> restoring using backup app recovers all of that as well
Nov 23 01:10:11 <Zushi> wich image should i best use for reflashing (filename/briefdiscription) ? is there a specific way i should do it (a specific order) ? can you tell me what i have to
Nov 23 01:10:39 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Nov 23 01:10:40 <infobot> from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Nov 23 01:18:54 <Zushi> combined image ... is it the  200174197 PR 1.3 version 20.2010.36-2 Latest Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900  or  171005621 PR 1.1.1 version 3.2010.02-8 Third Maemo 5 Global release for Nokia N900  ? ... both are labeld "combined" and "global" ... but only this 1.3 says "latest" ...
Nov 23 01:19:44 <satmd> chose the latest for your region
Nov 23 01:20:03 <satmd> unless there's a version HIGHER than that
Nov 23 01:20:13 <satmd> in which case you really should complain
Nov 23 01:30:51 <DocScrutinizer-8> Zucca: admittedly the info on wiki page infobot gave above is a bit confusing. But it really has all the needed info. Also about the right files to download for PR1.3
Nov 23 01:31:05 <DocScrutinizer-8> WTF
Nov 23 01:31:59 <DocScrutinizer-8> is this a +q, a /kick, or just a MEH
Nov 23 01:32:42 <javispedro> the what?
Nov 23 01:33:00 <DocScrutinizer-8> away msg
Nov 23 01:33:15 <DocScrutinizer-8> Zucca:
Nov 23 01:33:38 <BCMM> uh, i can't see anything
Nov 23 01:33:45 <DocScrutinizer-8> weird
Nov 23 01:34:22 <DocScrutinizer-8> Zucca: what's that away msg?
Nov 23 01:34:26 <BCMM> does he send it as a PM?
Nov 23 01:34:41 <DocScrutinizer-8> [02:23] -Zucca- Sorry. I'm away. Since: 2010/11/23  2:27:14 Reason: "Away - Sleep"
Nov 23 01:34:52 <BCMM> Zucca: sorry, i'm curious now
Nov 23 01:35:25 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, PM
Nov 23 01:35:31 <BCMM> that wasn't a pm
Nov 23 01:35:47 <DocScrutinizer> so what else was it then?
Nov 23 01:36:47 <BCMM> well, it started with [Notice] for me, and was formatted like those announcements you see when joining a channel, rather than like a /query
Nov 23 01:36:55 <BCMM> i don't know what that means in this client
Nov 23 01:37:28 <BCMM> y'know, assuming he hasn't work out how to send server messages to random people
Nov 23 01:37:46 <javispedro> I saw nothing
Nov 23 01:38:06 <BCMM> javispedro: that's because it's only to the person who highlighted him
Nov 23 01:38:34 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, i gues you meant Zushi not Zucca ?
Nov 23 01:39:17 <DocScrutinizer> oh yes, ooops. ETAB
Nov 23 01:39:33 <BCMM> that could be how my client formats a CTCP PM
Nov 23 01:39:38 <BCMM> someone send me one?
Nov 23 01:40:42 <BCMM> i maybe be making stuff up, but what i was trying to say was, "was that a rarely-used bit of CTCP?"
Nov 23 01:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> nox-: thanks :-D
Nov 23 01:41:33 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: probably
Nov 23 01:41:39 <nox-> *nod*
Nov 23 01:45:49 <BCMM> ah. turns out i just didn't know the /notice command, largely because i'm not a bot
Nov 23 01:46:05 <DocScrutinizer> hah
Nov 23 01:48:01 <BCMM> now i really don't know why both that and /msg need to exist
Nov 23 01:48:34 <nox-> :)
Nov 23 01:48:37 <javispedro> ... potentially abusable stuff.
Nov 23 01:48:39 <BCMM> ok, why can you do it to a channel?
Nov 23 01:48:48 <BCMM> well yeah, that's hella abusable
Nov 23 01:49:07 <BCMM> since most users will've only received those from services before
Nov 23 01:50:13 <DocScrutinizer> one thing's for sure: Zucca has a weird irc-client
Nov 23 01:50:24 <BCMM> (it annoys me that /msg nickserv help doesn't open a new tab, but i guess it's a good thing that just identifying doesn't)
Nov 23 01:50:28 <DocScrutinizer> (-setup)
Nov 23 01:50:57 <BCMM> (since most people still insist on identifying by messaging nickserv every time)
Nov 23 01:51:22 <DocScrutinizer> BCMM: use /query nickserv instead ;-D
Nov 23 01:51:30 <nox-> DocScrutinizer, he's not the first one ive seen doing it tho
Nov 23 01:51:44 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: and cause the useless tab to be openned half a second earlier?
Nov 23 01:52:16 <DocScrutinizer> <BCMM> (it annoys me that /msg nickserv help doesn't open a new tab
Nov 23 01:52:28 <BCMM> indeed
Nov 23 01:52:36 <DocScrutinizer> /query does
Nov 23 01:53:04 <BCMM> i mean, when i do it without thinking, not expecting it to mingle with the channel i'm reading
Nov 23 01:53:30 <BCMM> i need to find a manual of "stuff IRC does" somewhere
Nov 23 01:53:45 <BCMM> i've been here too long to still be discovering perfectly normal commands
Nov 23 01:54:39 <javispedro> too much. we should all have standarized on jabber muc
Nov 23 01:54:55 <BCMM> but i like netsplits.
Nov 23 01:55:03 <nox-> hahaha
Nov 23 01:55:31 * DocScrutinizer considers a /wall :-P
Nov 23 01:56:01 <BCMM> javispedro: who should've, when?
Nov 23 01:56:42 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: does that work a bit like wall(1)?
Nov 23 01:56:52 <BCMM> javispedro: by which i mean, IRC is much, much older
Nov 23 01:57:12 <DocScrutinizer> umm, yes. IIRC. On xchat
Nov 23 01:57:17 <javispedro> BCMM: From my POV there has been a resurgence in later years
Nov 23 01:57:53 <nox-> yeah irc is much older than http
Nov 23 01:58:30 <nox-> and before irc, there was its `cousin' on bitnet that i forgot the name of
Nov 23 01:58:32 <BCMM> we'd all be better off without HTTP
Nov 23 01:58:34 * BCMM ducks
Nov 23 01:58:47 <BCMM> by which i mean we would still have IRC, but we wouldn't have Facebook
Nov 23 01:59:07 <BCMM> DocScrutinizer: huh. i can't find any reference to wall online - i find references to building xchat with -Wall first...
Nov 23 01:59:28 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's been /amsg
Nov 23 02:00:22 <nox-> and i agree with BCMM that irc > facebook too :)
Nov 23 02:01:10 <BCMM> the web as it currently exists is a giant step backwards, in that the content creator rather than the reader has most of the control over the presentation
Nov 23 02:01:18 <BCMM> also, it has facebook.
Nov 23 02:01:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> xchat /help >user defined cmds
Nov 23 02:01:34 <johndo> DocScrutinizer: it's /wall, but I guess you need some oper perms for that ;)
Nov 23 02:02:02 <johndo> and if I remember correctly you can configure xchat to send such away PMs
Nov 23 02:02:54 <BCMM> xchat can probably be configured to execute arbitrary commands when someone highlights you
Nov 23 02:03:08 <DocScrutinizer-8> it's /amsg
Nov 23 02:03:53 * johndo shuts up :)
Nov 23 02:04:06 <DocScrutinizer-8> like /amsg morning %channel
Nov 23 02:04:45 <johndo> oh, then it's not what I meant, afaik /wall is to send a message to all users on a server ;)
Nov 23 02:04:48 <DocScrutinizer-8> nice way to make people angry
Nov 23 02:05:10 <javispedro> a PM to EVERY user??
Nov 23 02:05:11 <johndo> (on all channels)
Nov 23 02:05:19 <javispedro> uhuh
Nov 23 02:05:31 <DocScrutinizer-8> javispedro: needs oper
Nov 23 02:05:35 <johndo> that's why you need to be oper
Nov 23 02:05:53 <javispedro> and oper > op I guess
Nov 23 02:05:55 <BCMM> how is that different from a wallop?
Nov 23 02:06:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> amsg just sends to all channels you're in
Nov 23 02:06:20 <BCMM> that isn't what i meant to say...
Nov 23 02:06:23 <psycho_oreos> oper can send wallops, ops can't.. oper are known as network operators, ops are known as channel operators
Nov 23 02:06:23 <johndo> evil enough :D
Nov 23 02:06:29 <DocScrutinizer-8> op is chanop
Nov 23 02:06:41 <DocScrutinizer-8> oper is errrr... frenode admin
Nov 23 02:06:55 <psycho_oreos> freenode staff in general
Nov 23 02:08:28 <DocScrutinizer-8> that friggin cmd list on xchat /help makes me frown
Nov 23 02:09:22 <johndo> xchat is a mirc clone :P
Nov 23 02:10:04 <psycho_oreos> and you're an idiot if you proudly declare that
Nov 23 02:10:19 <johndo> proudly?
Nov 23 02:10:36 <DocScrutinizer-8> and the 'help' from menu isn't exactly great nor structured
Nov 23 02:10:40 <psycho_oreos> xchat is nowhere a clone of mirc, it doesn't even support mirc scripting
Nov 23 02:26:04 <lolloo> Does xchat work on meego?
Nov 23 02:28:11 <pupnik> gtk
Nov 23 02:29:58 <pupnik> get it lolloo ?
Nov 23 02:30:22 <lolloo> no sorry I dont pupnik
Nov 23 02:30:52 <lolloo> what does it mean?
Nov 23 02:31:53 <lolloo> hey pupnik, I found this http://blog.beford.org/
Nov 23 02:32:06 <pupnik> ok
Nov 23 02:32:32 <psycho_oreos> asked the same question in the meego support channel
Nov 23 02:32:41 <psycho_oreos> didn't exactly find :p
Nov 23 02:33:31 <pupnik> lolloo: it means xchat isn't integrated into the meego experience at all
Nov 23 02:34:15 <lolloo> awesome pupnik, thanks.
Nov 23 02:34:38 <lolloo> gtk shortcut for?
Nov 23 02:34:46 <psycho_oreos> gtk is a framework
Nov 23 02:34:50 <psycho_oreos> iirc
Nov 23 02:34:53 <lolloo> oh
Nov 23 02:35:10 <lolloo> I feel noobish.
Nov 23 02:35:34 <digitalstimulus> does anyone know if ffmpeg encoder is available for n810 maemo?
Nov 23 02:35:43 <psycho_oreos> http://www.gtk.org/
Nov 23 02:35:43 <pupnik> gtk provides the buttons, scrolling windows and point-and-click functionality
Nov 23 02:37:55 <nox-> lolloo, gtk was basically the result of license problems with qt (that are now solved)
Nov 23 02:38:37 * GAN900 just got an iOS software job offer.
Nov 23 02:39:19 <lolloo> awesome
Nov 23 02:39:25 <lolloo> touche!
Nov 23 02:42:40 <GeneralAntilles> Also: more new photos http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/
Nov 23 02:50:21 <DocScrutinizer-8> GAN900: just got a java coding offer. From a company hyping Xtreme Progamming
Nov 23 02:51:30 <SpeedEvil> Wow!
Nov 23 02:51:33 <SpeedEvil> It must be cool!
Nov 23 02:51:38 <SpeedEvil> It has an X in the name
Nov 23 02:52:01 <SpeedEvil> I think they missed a trick not calling it Xtreme!!!!!!! programming.
Nov 23 02:53:56 <BCMM> clearly, they do X11 programming
Nov 23 02:53:58 <BCMM> in java.
Nov 23 02:56:12 <johnx> DocScrutinizer-8, don't knock it. it takes a programmer with really good concentration while jumping over 3 school buses on fire...wait, that's not what you meant?
Nov 23 02:59:09 <DocScrutinizer-8> if both applies to that job, java AND XP, then yes that's exactly what they need
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