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Dec 04 03:00:05 <javispedro> on the positive side, someone also reported succesfully using a powered hub with 2 usb pendrives, keyboard and mouse.
Dec 04 03:03:08 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Dec 04 03:04:09 <DocScrutinizer> on "original forum" someone had a foto footage about filing off the excess corners of a N8 adapter to make it fit into a micro-B receptacle :-P
Dec 04 03:04:27 <javispedro> hah, so this guy was not joking then
Dec 04 03:05:11 <iluminator101> whats a good units converter program for n900
Dec 04 03:05:38 <javispedro> there was this python one... i think it was creatively called convert2 or th
Dec 04 03:06:02 <mvenplus> javispedro, no I was not jokig it's working
Dec 04 03:07:14 <javispedro> ah, but you're not the one I was thinking of.
Dec 04 03:07:23 <javispedro> never mind.
Dec 04 03:07:51 <mvenplus> adapter from N8 is working after proper modification on N900
Dec 04 03:08:04 <javispedro> "physical" modification
Dec 04 03:08:33 <mvenplus> yes 'physical'
Dec 04 03:08:44 <ieatlint> agreed, "physical"
Dec 04 03:08:50 <mvenplus> with file tool
Dec 04 03:11:20 <javispedro> well, time to go
Dec 04 03:11:22 <javispedro> cya fols
Dec 04 03:11:25 <javispedro> *folks
Dec 04 03:14:14 <DocScrutinizer> mvenplus: you got the exact post URL? I can't find it anymore
Dec 04 03:14:25 <DocScrutinizer> which in itself is incredible
Dec 04 03:21:06 <mvenplus> DocScrutinizer will find it right away :)
Dec 04 03:22:01 <iluminator101> how do i enable wireshark in n900 without being root
Dec 04 03:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> err, not at all?
Dec 04 03:23:13 <mvenplus> DocScrutinizer, here is http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=873725&postcount=364
Dec 04 03:23:26 <DocScrutinizer> or maybe `sudo wireshart` is what you want to hear?
Dec 04 03:23:38 <DocScrutinizer> mvenplus: thanks a lot
Dec 04 03:24:06 <mvenplus> DocScrutinizer, no problem men
Dec 04 03:24:25 <Jay_BEE> hola
Dec 04 03:44:07 <iluminator101> i cant sign in google voice from n900, is there something i need to change?
Dec 04 03:45:08 <iluminator101> i know the password and username is right i can sign on from pc
Dec 04 03:50:24 <smooph> hey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I cannot press the "u" key
Dec 04 03:50:41 <ShadowJK> Why can you not press the u key?
Dec 04 03:51:54 <DocScrutinizer51> besides pressing 'u' isn't strictly mandatory
Dec 04 03:52:19 <smooph> i can press the key but its not going into flasher mode
Dec 04 03:52:29 <DocScrutinizer51> start flasher, plug in the N900
Dec 04 03:52:45 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh, then your battery is empty
Dec 04 03:53:15 <smooph> yes very possible the battery is empty
Dec 04 03:53:20 <smooph> but i cannot charge it
Dec 04 03:53:52 <smooph> everytime i plug in the charger the device starts and trys to fix the installation
Dec 04 03:54:03 <smooph> i don't know what to do
Dec 04 03:54:13 <DocScrutinizer51> it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger?
Dec 04 03:55:21 <smooph> it starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation
Dec 04 03:55:35 <smooph> and some time later dies again
Dec 04 03:56:19 <DocScrutinizer51> hmmm
Dec 04 03:56:38 <smooph> yes very hmmm
Dec 04 03:57:25 <DocScrutinizer51> tried to switch it off the very moment it boots after those 2-5min?
Dec 04 03:57:47 <smooph> yes power button is not responding
Dec 04 03:58:23 <DocScrutinizer51> nasty
Dec 04 03:58:30 <smooph> yes very
Dec 04 03:58:46 <smooph> I will go to bed now its almost 5 in the morning
Dec 04 03:59:01 <smooph> and give it a fresh start tomorrow
Dec 04 03:59:05 <smooph> gn8
Dec 04 03:59:18 <DocScrutinizer51> if you remove the battery  the very moment it boots
Dec 04 04:00:07 <smooph> I will try it tomorrow
Dec 04 04:00:13 <DocScrutinizer51> then you bight be able to "hold 'u'" on next boot, which should be the one on plugin to flasher
Dec 04 05:09:53 <Termana> good morning
Dec 04 05:17:13 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, pong?
Dec 04 05:17:28 <DocScrutinizer51> kernel
Dec 04 05:17:41 <DocScrutinizer51> but forgot what exactly
Dec 04 05:18:14 <MohammadAG> standard answer: RTFM
Dec 04 05:18:21 <DocScrutinizer51> lol
Dec 04 05:18:30 <MohammadAG> it's said that kernel-power is for power users
Dec 04 05:18:54 * MohammadAG looks up definition of power (adj.) in a t.m.o. dictionary
Dec 04 05:19:23 <Termana> MohammadAG, you won't find it anywhere near t.m.o
Dec 04 05:19:29 <MohammadAG>  -> see noobs (n.)
Dec 04 05:19:31 <MohammadAG> figures
Dec 04 05:41:22 <ieatlint> "power user" is a marketing term ... that should tell you all you need to know about it
Dec 04 06:02:07 <jaem> evening... I have an odd problem. I'm reading a serial data stream over a Bluetooth link, the data packets of which are delimited by CRLF characters...
Dec 04 06:03:27 <jaem> On my (Arch Linux) laptop, this works fine with our parser, but on the N900, it breaks.  On looking into it, it seems that the data received on the N900 is somehow having the CRLF changed to LFLF before it even hits my application.
Dec 04 06:04:01 <jaem> cat'ing /dev/rfcomm0 thus shows double-spaced lines of data.  I'm rather confused as to what could be causing this.
Dec 04 06:07:17 <ds3> checked the line discipline?
Dec 04 06:07:39 <jaem> ds3: Since I'm not sure what that means, I'm guessing "no". :)
Dec 04 06:07:53 <ds3> try 'stty -a < /dev/rfcomm0'
Dec 04 06:08:04 <ds3> see if the settings show autotranslate enabled
Dec 04 06:09:55 * jaem checks
Dec 04 06:12:38 <jaem> ds3: looks like that may be it.  Let me poke at it some more
Dec 04 06:16:02 <jaem> ds3: Yep, that would be it.  Thanks a lot. :D
Dec 04 06:19:31 <ds3> glad to be of assistance
Dec 04 06:40:11 <DocScrutinizer51> jaem: seems to me your parser is too strict
Dec 04 06:40:56 <Macer> my gf is cracking me up with this just dance 2 and michale jackson gameas
Dec 04 06:40:58 <Macer> wii is awesome
Dec 04 06:41:27 <DocScrutinizer51> usually a parser should be as loose as possible, only detecting the syntactically relevant lexems
Dec 04 06:42:47 <DocScrutinizer51> jaem: in this particular case it would for example mean the parser should tolerate any combination of LF/CR
Dec 04 06:43:02 <jaem> DocScrutinizer51: Quite possibly.  The problem is that this whole side of the project was written by someone else, who was out of the country for several months.  I've been trying to get it all working without him, and I have insufficient experience with this sort of thing
Dec 04 06:43:18 <jaem> DocScrutinizer51: Agreed.
Dec 04 06:43:26 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe, depending on syntax of your parsed text, even ignore them completely
Dec 04 06:43:54 <jaem> I believe the current code splits on newlines, and since it was being turned into *two* newlines, that confused it.
Dec 04 06:44:18 <jaem> At any rate, most of this code has been rewritten, from what I've told - it just isn't stable yet.  ...so I get to play with the old code. :)
Dec 04 06:44:53 <DocScrutinizer51> hm, a separator lexem usually should not hurt if repeated
Dec 04 06:47:04 <DocScrutinizer51> except if the empty token ([separator][null tolen][separator]) actually has a meaningis
Dec 04 06:48:59 <DocScrutinizer51> imagine c sourcecode would allow only single spaces
Dec 04 06:49:23 <jaem> hmm?
Dec 04 06:50:44 <jaem> DocScrutinizer51: Sorry, I'm having a bad day, and not really following you.  I should probably leave this for now.
Dec 04 06:50:48 <jaem> I appreciate your help, though.
Dec 04 06:50:55 <DocScrutinizer51> for the c source parser in gcc a single space is same as multiple spaces, and often even cr/lf is of equal meaning
Dec 04 06:51:22 <ieatlint> to be pedantic, a parser that is loose is still likely to not process LFLF in this case as intended -- LFLF could intentionally indicate a blank line
Dec 04 06:52:10 <DocScrutinizer51> well, depends on the syntax of the parsed text
Dec 04 06:52:46 <DocScrutinizer51> a c parser for example wouldn't care (first instance)
Dec 04 06:52:58 <ieatlint> but you're right about gcc's parsing (except in the preprocessor)... i believe that's part of the c spec in fact
Dec 04 06:53:11 <DocScrutinizer51> (except of course for line numbers etc)
Dec 04 07:28:17 <DocScrutinizer51> darn, who messed up line9 of my usr/bin/htop?
Dec 04 07:48:55 <cehteh> where is the sensitivity between whats recognized as tap and whats a drag configureable in hildon
Dec 04 07:58:05 <DocScrutinizer> good question
Dec 04 07:58:49 <DocScrutinizer> I'd brainlessly point in gconf's general direction
Dec 04 07:58:51 <RST38h> cehteh: as of Maemo5 it is not
Dec 04 07:59:03 <cehteh> duh
Dec 04 07:59:08 <DocScrutinizer> wtf?
Dec 04 07:59:28 <RST38h> the touchscreen is too jittery
Dec 04 08:00:02 <DocScrutinizer> *burp* mumbleamousemoumblehostmode
Dec 04 08:01:22 <cehteh> RST38h: exactly to increase it, slippy fingers :P
Dec 04 08:01:49 <cehteh> they must have some hardcodes compensation anyways ... i epected thats rather some config value :/
Dec 04 08:02:00 <RST38h> they do of course
Dec 04 08:02:14 <RST38h> but it won't make any difference
Dec 04 08:05:26 * DocScrutinizer throws a " at htop maintainer, just in case...
Dec 04 08:36:49 <trumee> sip uri's fail if phone is not registered to that domain. strange.
Dec 04 08:37:38 <trumee> My N900 is registered to my * server and i called music@iptel.org, phone did not pass the uri to my * server.
Dec 04 08:37:45 <cehteh> yeah the n900 supports only castrated sip
Dec 04 08:41:23 <trumee> cehteh, sip looses its usefulness immediately if cant call sip uris
Dec 04 08:41:34 <cehteh> ack
Dec 04 08:42:08 <trumee> cehteh, there should be bug report filed for this
Dec 04 08:43:30 <cehteh> go for it :P
Dec 04 08:44:33 <trumee> seems i can dial   somenumber@x.x but not somestring@x.x
Dec 04 08:45:19 <trumee> phone-ui pass the sip uri if it contains numbers only.
Dec 04 09:17:51 <DocScrutinizer> my sip is dead
Dec 04 09:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> I.E. I can't select the SIP connection in dialer anymore, and also no SIP call buttons in contacts
Dec 04 09:23:02 <DocScrutinizer51> inbound sip calls get signaled as missed call immediately
Dec 04 09:23:59 <DocScrutinizer51> callback on that sip:number@sipgate.de call from missed calls creates a chat! o.O
Dec 04 09:24:25 <DocScrutinizer51> something is seriously messed up
Dec 04 09:27:11 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, telepathy-sip broken for you
Dec 04 09:27:23 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Dec 04 09:27:48 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, time to reflash :p
Dec 04 09:27:57 <DocScrutinizer> pfff SHIT
Dec 04 09:28:11 <DocScrutinizer> reflash means I lose PR1.2
Dec 04 09:28:46 <trumee> I dont have a landline, so sip needs to be quite reliable for me.
Dec 04 09:29:08 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I started with twinkle, back when
Dec 04 09:30:13 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, why are you stuck with PR1.2?
Dec 04 09:30:32 <DocScrutinizer> and on N900 PR1.[01].* it worked great
Dec 04 09:31:03 <DocScrutinizer> because pr1.3 has all kinds of things not working or not tested
Dec 04 09:32:01 <DocScrutinizer> and frankly because I was happy with my massively tweaked and patched pr1.2, for my productive device
Dec 04 09:32:48 <DocScrutinizer> and OTA isn't feasible anymore for this massively modified pr1.2
Dec 04 09:33:22 <DocScrutinizer> at least not without serious effort to prepare it for that OTA update
Dec 04 09:33:32 <RST38h> Doc: You will still have to update to pr1.3
Dec 04 09:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> and there's definitely still no tested reliable way to backup that system and completely rollback if PR1.3 sucks
Dec 04 09:35:04 <DocScrutinizer> also I love to HATE nokia for forcing me into pr1.3
Dec 04 09:35:41 <DocScrutinizer> this is my *productive* phone, not a toy for Nokia to learn how to run updates
Dec 04 09:36:13 <DocScrutinizer> they should first learn how to decently do complete backups
Dec 04 09:36:25 <RST38h> This is all pointless talk
Dec 04 09:36:38 <DocScrutinizer> prior to forcing me into new OS versions
Dec 04 09:36:59 <DocScrutinizer> that's not pointless, that's just sad and making me angry
Dec 04 09:37:18 <RST38h> Ok,so you will get sadder and more angry by the day, until you upgrade to pr1.3
Dec 04 09:37:41 <RST38h> Especially considering that PR1.3 isn't even reflashing your boot loader, core, or anything
Dec 04 09:37:42 <DocScrutinizer> thanks for the analysis, Mr Freud
Dec 04 09:38:05 <RST38h> Just a bunch of userland package updates
Dec 04 09:38:11 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Dec 04 09:38:40 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, you could try Babckupmenu app
Dec 04 09:38:55 <DocScrutinizer> well, tehnically hildon desktop is actually userland
Dec 04 09:39:03 <DocScrutinizer> for libvte I'm not that sure
Dec 04 09:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: I could try, and find out if it helps me or makes things worse, yes
Dec 04 09:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: first thing you learn with backup, as a sysop, is you MUST test restore, to be sure it actually works. And obviously you can't do that when same time you destroy the original system that you tried to backup
Dec 04 09:41:58 <DocScrutinizer> means you have to restore to a different system, an expendable one
Dec 04 09:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> then your best bet is to do a backup of that system, and compare the both backups. Usually they differ (sure they do, as a living system always is changing)
Dec 04 09:43:27 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not ready to do this
Dec 04 09:46:02 <DocScrutinizer> QA for a backup/restore solution is a bit different to that of a normal app. If a normal app has a bug, I simply fix it. If a backup has a bug, I'll learn I'm busted
Dec 04 09:48:48 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: pr1.3 has that annoying CPU-hog / charging bug, that will destroy my battery
Dec 04 09:49:29 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: I'd say that's clearly 'anything' at least
Dec 04 09:49:58 <DocScrutinizer> according to your list of >> boot loader, core, or anything <<
Dec 04 09:52:01 <DocScrutinizer> It wouldn't hurt battery if bme wasn't THAT braindamaged
Dec 04 09:54:49 <DocScrutinizer> I might try to cope FIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more *serious* bugs in PR1.3
Dec 04 09:55:51 <DocScrutinizer> duh, I hate that touchpad
Dec 04 09:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> I might try to cope with that bug and its defacto WONTFIX state, if I had a way to rollback to PR1.2 completely, just in case I fail on trying to live with it. Or in case there are even more *serious* bugs in PR1.3
Dec 04 10:01:10 <Termana> DocScrutinizer: just use the 1.2 kernel like we discussed? (if you find the bug unliveable)
Dec 04 10:03:39 <DocScrutinizer> Termana: the suggested upgrade to PR1.3 might introduce other *serious* bugs that nobody has noticed yet (NB it's been me who discovered the CPU hog bug), and if it does then using a PR1.2 kernel might not exactly help me out
Dec 04 10:04:53 <DocScrutinizer> in fact an upgrade to PR1.3 is irreversable for the same reasons I can't really use PR1.2 any longer: None of the apps in testing and devel is available for pr1.2 any longer
Dec 04 10:05:45 <DocScrutinizer> so once I upgraded to 1.3, there's no way to restore a PR1.2 system
Dec 04 10:06:02 <DocScrutinizer> at least no simple tested supported way
Dec 04 10:07:00 <DocScrutinizer> you can go back to a bare bones PR1.2, by simply flashing the img, but that's it
Dec 04 10:19:08 * alterego wonders what to do today.
Dec 04 10:19:25 <alterego> Think I'll throw together a UI for my TV remote.
Dec 04 10:19:37 <alterego> Using Qt Quick
Dec 04 10:20:11 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: how about testing backup menu for installability under PR1.2? And then verifying a image restore really is creating a working system?
Dec 04 10:20:51 <alterego> Eesh, you want me to reflash 1.2? :D
Dec 04 10:21:19 <DocScrutinizer> Well I gather you're asking for a task for the weekend, so you won't get bored
Dec 04 10:21:48 <alterego> Yeah, and I've got either columbus or my automatic remote detect.
Dec 04 10:22:17 <DocScrutinizer> doubtlessly much more tempting topics
Dec 04 10:36:08 <alterego> Now, I wonder if i can use bluetooth scanning, to know when I'm at home so I can turn one of my home screens into a context aware remote control.
Dec 04 10:38:38 <alterego> Think I'll write a little topography discovery agent, which ses bluetooth devices, or wireless AP addresses to ascertain your home or at work or whatever.
Dec 04 10:48:56 <BCMM> does anyone have reason to believe that ntpd would have a substantial effect on battery life?
Dec 04 10:49:15 <alterego> BCMM: no, not realy.
Dec 04 10:49:35 <alterego> Well, maybe if there's some kind of odd networking error.
Dec 04 10:49:41 <alterego> It might get into a retry frenzy.
Dec 04 10:49:43 <BCMM> oh, the BSD version doesn't do constant adjustment...
Dec 04 10:49:54 <BCMM> i was worried about CPU wake-ups, you see
Dec 04 10:50:16 <alterego> Ah, m'kay.
Dec 04 10:50:31 <alterego> Well, I've been using ntpd for ages and have never noticed any nastiness.
Dec 04 10:55:48 <DocScrutinizer> On thinking about it again, I'm not sure maemo kernel knows about frequency discipline
Dec 04 10:56:44 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: so if that's the case, there's maybe no way to do any constant adjustment
Dec 04 10:57:41 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, probably inserting or dropping one jiffy per N jiffies is always possible
Dec 04 10:57:46 <alterego> Hrm, yeah.
Dec 04 10:57:56 <alterego> I'm not sure about that either.
Dec 04 10:58:40 <DocScrutinizer> I never loked into frequency discipline and how it works
Dec 04 10:58:46 <DocScrutinizer> looked
Dec 04 10:59:18 <alterego> Can't say I'm too up on it either.
Dec 04 10:59:21 <DocScrutinizer> but I'd guess a granularity of one jiffy is finegrained enough
Dec 04 10:59:45 <alterego> Heh, not often I hear someone saying Jiffy :D
Dec 04 11:00:11 <DocScrutinizer> so time would actually jump a jiffy every now and then, or stall for a period of two jiffies
Dec 04 11:00:26 <DocScrutinizer> both not really a big problem
Dec 04 11:00:45 <alterego> Yeah
Dec 04 11:01:12 <alterego> I think today, I'll start to think about how I can make a neat home automation/CIR controller remote UX framework.
Dec 04 11:01:31 <DocScrutinizer> and that should be feasible independently on tickless kernel and whatever the sysclock hardware is alike
Dec 04 11:12:34 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I'm thinking of coping out and releasing columbus as foss ...
Dec 04 11:12:59 <alterego> Might still work on a security/purchase framework though.
Dec 04 11:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> damn, another test case wasted
Dec 04 11:13:50 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Dec 04 11:14:48 <alterego> Well, it was only a requirement for a semi quick cash injection. But I don't really need that anymore.
Dec 04 11:14:50 <DocScrutinizer> I'd really be interested in the relative success of this
Dec 04 11:14:58 <alterego> Yeah
Dec 04 11:15:33 <DocScrutinizer> Esp since I still need such a cash injection
Dec 04 11:15:58 <alterego> Heh, do you have a killer app then? :)
Dec 04 11:16:16 <DocScrutinizer> maybe
Dec 04 11:16:25 <alterego> Cool
Dec 04 11:17:06 <DocScrutinizer> killer app is relative
Dec 04 11:17:23 <alterego> Yeah, well, you know what I mean.l
Dec 04 11:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> yep. any TLA starting with b is a good candidate
Dec 04 11:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> and a featureset of hostmode with Y-cable support, hot swapping of battery, and full control over charging even with alien chargers, seems nice enough
Dec 04 11:20:13 <alterego> neat
Dec 04 11:20:16 <alterego> brb
Dec 04 11:21:16 <Termana> All wrapped in a juicy proprietary sausage with a side dish of send $100 to DocScrutinizer or die. Nom nom.
Dec 04 11:25:27 <RST38h> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZW2qxFkcLM0&fmt=18
Dec 04 11:27:13 <CableTwitch> Greetings
Dec 04 11:27:47 <DocScrutinizer51> Termana: nah
Dec 04 11:30:18 * Arkenoi wonders what is the rationale behind the "brilliant" idea of using "virtual" directory names like "Sound clips" etc in native applications. Damn ugly and inconsistent. Why not just symlinks?
Dec 04 11:31:24 <kerio> because that would make sense
Dec 04 11:32:10 <CableTwitch> Because as nice as standards are, there will always be those who like to do things differently. 'Ooman naycha, innit?
Dec 04 11:33:30 <Arkenoi> Well, i guess it was not a single person decision, why would *serveral* people agree to this nonsense?
Dec 04 11:34:37 <CableTwitch> Because its easier to go with you r won planning methods, than to bend everything to fit someone elses.
Dec 04 11:35:01 <CableTwitch> Trust me, you can have all the standards in the world. Someone, somewhere, will use something entirely different.
Dec 04 11:37:22 <RST38h> Arkenoi: this came from Symbian
Dec 04 11:38:08 <RST38h> Arkenoi: The idea was being able to move these dirs between device models and also merge internal+card dirs into a single user-accessible directory
Dec 04 11:41:45 <Arkenoi> RST38h, what a mess
Dec 04 11:43:27 <Arkenoi> why just copy symbian there? at least on symbian you almost never see "real" fs structure
Dec 04 11:43:53 <Arkenoi> i mean, from UI
Dec 04 11:44:01 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Most likely because the managementisdominated by Symbianpeople
Dec 04 11:45:49 <Arkenoi> yet another reason to kill symbian asap, it is toxic waste
Dec 04 11:54:30 <DocScrutinizer51> I heard it was about localization, and poorly thought concepts
Dec 04 11:54:43 <DocScrutinizer51> and M$
Dec 04 12:02:54 <Venemo> hi :)
Dec 04 12:08:01 <trumee> /dev/video1 and /dev/video2 both point to back camera. is that a PR1.3 bug?
Dec 04 12:10:13 <jacekowski> video0
Dec 04 12:10:27 <trumee> my bad mplayer needs v4l2 driver
Dec 04 12:12:28 <RST38h> Arkenoi: YOu can kill the Symbian, but what are you gonna do with the people/
Dec 04 12:12:54 <jacekowski> there is nothing wrong with symbian
Dec 04 12:13:03 <RST38h> Arkenoi: [hint: you let these highly experienced industry folks drive your Meego-related developments]
Dec 04 12:13:39 <BCMM> i have no idea whatsoever how symbian works internally - is porting it's API to linux and running legacy application on it feasible?
Dec 04 12:14:01 <jacekowski> no
Dec 04 12:14:06 <alterego> BCMM: anything is possible, but is it worth it?
Dec 04 12:14:17 <alterego> I suppose Palm did it.
Dec 04 12:14:25 <BCMM> alterego: that's why i said feasible, not possible
Dec 04 12:17:52 <Arkenoi> RST38h, quarantine every single person under strict supervision, if it appears to be clean of brain contamination, let him do something useful :-)
Dec 04 12:18:40 <RST38h> Arkenoi: Never happens that way
Dec 04 12:35:09 <jacekowski> symbian FTW
Dec 04 12:36:02 <Venemo> jacekowski: why is that?
Dec 04 12:44:01 <corecode> how do you fit 80x25 on the xterm?
Dec 04 12:46:23 <The_Tall1> Hi, i build a big library in scratchbox and it worked fine inside it. But on the N900 the used float numbers totally flipped s.th. like 2.99999 changed to -0.00004. Is this known or caused by the used lib?
Dec 04 12:47:08 <Venemo> The_Tall1: we would need to know more about what you're doing
Dec 04 12:48:30 <The_Tall1> we use geos-3.2.2 to work with geometries and the wkt/wkb to work with rdf3x
Dec 04 12:49:26 <The_Tall1> we think big/little endian might be a problem but why differs scratchbox output from N900. That looks strange to mee
Dec 04 12:49:50 <The_Tall1> scratchbox runs on a 32Bit Intel
Dec 04 12:50:03 <Venemo> The_Tall1: x86 is little-endian. ARMEL is little-endian too
Dec 04 12:50:03 <MohammadAG> or AMD64
Dec 04 12:50:13 <Venemo> that is why it is called ARM_EL_
Dec 04 12:50:30 <kerio> corecode: you can fit 79x25
Dec 04 12:50:49 <MohammadAG> depends on the units
Dec 04 12:51:13 <Venemo> ARMEL meanys ARM little-endian
Dec 04 12:51:55 <MohammadAG> shouldn't it me Endian-Little on ARMLE? :P
Dec 04 12:52:12 <The_Tall1> the used units are standard c++ floats
Dec 04 12:52:29 <trumee> MohammadAG, thanks for help yesterday. Finally was able to boot into my custom kernel.
Dec 04 12:52:30 <alterego> It sounds cuter MohammadAG
Dec 04 12:52:55 <MohammadAG> who's the lil ARMEL, who's the lil ARMEL
Dec 04 12:53:15 <MohammadAG> trumee, yw :)
Dec 04 12:53:44 <trumee> MohammadAG, key was to run depmod -a on the device to stop reboot loop.
Dec 04 12:54:03 <MohammadAG> postinst should do that o_O
Dec 04 12:54:19 <jacekowski> The_Tall1: softvfp?
Dec 04 12:54:24 <jacekowski> The_Tall1: or something else?
Dec 04 12:54:31 <jacekowski> The_Tall1: i would try it on debugger
Dec 04 12:54:42 <trumee> MohammadAG, guess my postinst is broken then
Dec 04 12:54:42 <Venemo> MohammadAG: see http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=9081
Dec 04 12:55:18 <Venemo> MohammadAG: ARMEL is little-endian and ARMEB is big-endian
Dec 04 12:55:36 <smooph> hey i am trying to flash my n900 but its not working because ... I tried to install a program on which install the device hung and now every time i connect power its trying to fix the installation but won't ... flashing doesn't work because I pressing the "u" key it doesn't go into flashermode
Dec 04 12:56:13 <The_Tall1> jacekowski: i remember a message about softvfp, gdb will be next
Dec 04 12:57:18 <chem|st> smooph: uboot or bootbackup?
Dec 04 12:58:14 <chem|st> smooph: there is matan's workaround somewhere in tmo
Dec 04 12:58:26 <smooph> chem|st: sorry I don't understand the question I am trying to flash with vanilla
Dec 04 12:58:32 <DocScrutinizer> smooph: damn, didn't we decide yesterday your battery is weak?
Dec 04 12:58:39 <chem|st> smooph: what was the program you installed?
Dec 04 12:58:54 <smooph> DocScrutinizer yes we did
Dec 04 12:58:59 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: oh ok..
Dec 04 12:59:01 <smooph> but I tried loading
Dec 04 12:59:03 <smooph> it
Dec 04 12:59:29 <chem|st> smooph: did it?
Dec 04 13:00:04 <smooph> but it doesn't help ... if the battery is too low shouldn't it go into flashermode too and die on me before its finished
Dec 04 13:00:09 <smooph> ?
Dec 04 13:00:44 <chem|st> smooph: what happens when you have the device off and plug in a wallcharger?
Dec 04 13:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-12-04 04:45:27] <DocScrutinizer51> it doesn't enetr charging mode when plugging unpowered device to wallcharger?
Dec 04 13:01:37 <smooph> the orange led goes on which means its charging but some time (2-5min) after that the device starts and tries to install the faild program
Dec 04 13:01:39 <DocScrutinizer> [2010-12-04 04:46:36] <smooph> it starts charging but after a little while (2-5 min) it boots up the point where it trys to fix the failed installation
Dec 04 13:02:46 <smooph> btw it died installing some data collection app
Dec 04 13:02:48 <DocScrutinizer> charge your battery. There's no other way
Dec 04 13:02:57 <smooph> but how?
Dec 04 13:03:09 <chem|st> smooph: dedicated from your device
Dec 04 13:03:30 <Venemo> smooph: maybe get another battery, or charge yours with another phone or an external charger
Dec 04 13:03:37 <chem|st> smooph: see a vendor shop and ask kindly to charge it, or find a friend with same socket
Dec 04 13:04:20 <smooph> is the there no special pre boot mode i can enter
Dec 04 13:04:22 <smooph> ?
Dec 04 13:04:26 <chem|st> people should realy think about messing with their phones with empty battery...
Dec 04 13:04:39 <smooph> it was fully loaded
Dec 04 13:05:08 <chem|st> smooph: if the flasher mode does not work no
Dec 04 13:05:19 <chem|st> maybe you do something wrong on that side...
Dec 04 13:05:54 <DocScrutinizer> nah, holding 'u' doesn't help. So it's definitely empty cell
Dec 04 13:06:02 <chem|st> "some data collection app" sounds scary
Dec 04 13:06:11 <smooph> It doesn't even enter flasher mode ... I don't even see the little usb icon
Dec 04 13:06:13 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Dec 04 13:06:42 <DocScrutinizer> wouldn' be surprised to find that "data cllection app" needs power kernel
Dec 04 13:06:46 <chem|st> smooph: charge the battery
Dec 04 13:07:04 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: that's what I thought of...
Dec 04 13:08:07 <DocScrutinizer> probably pk preinit should check for >90% battery, and abort
Dec 04 13:08:13 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: btw how come that wifi hotspot is in testing? and why does ham install with missing dependencies?
Dec 04 13:08:17 <DocScrutinizer> preinstall
Dec 04 13:08:31 <MohammadAG> how do I make my mailing client have auto line breaks?
Dec 04 13:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> :shrug:
Dec 04 13:08:42 <chem|st> MohammadAG: which client
Dec 04 13:08:50 <corecode> \o/ kerio how?
Dec 04 13:08:55 <MohammadAG> like, when sending to mailing lists, I see lines are broken after each 6 words or sth
Dec 04 13:08:58 <corecode> without the \o/
Dec 04 13:09:00 <corecode> kerio: how?
Dec 04 13:09:02 <MohammadAG> thunderbird
Dec 04 13:09:28 <chem|st> MohammadAG: it is somewhere in the editor settings to brake after an amount of characters
Dec 04 13:09:48 <MohammadAG> what's the one mailing lists use?
Dec 04 13:09:49 <chem|st> MohammadAG: that's what I tell vim to do when called from mutt
Dec 04 13:10:23 <chem|st> MohammadAG: ehr IO error
Dec 04 13:10:43 <kerio> corecode: disable the toolbar and go fullscreen
Dec 04 13:11:34 <chem|st> MohammadAG: thunderbird is a wacky bitch... my knowledge is limited... want a proper .muttrc I can help
Dec 04 13:11:39 <smooph> chem|st: DocScrutinizer "nokia data gathering" was the name of the app I think
Dec 04 13:11:52 <Pavlz> hello to all
Dec 04 13:11:58 <DocScrutinizer> bwahahaha
Dec 04 13:11:58 <kerio> corecode: gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"
Dec 04 13:12:06 <chem|st> smooph: from where did you install it?
Dec 04 13:12:20 <DocScrutinizer> thw infamous nokia spyware
Dec 04 13:12:35 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: never heard of it
Dec 04 13:12:41 <DocScrutinizer> ask SpeedEvil
Dec 04 13:12:44 <smooph> repositories
Dec 04 13:13:35 <chem|st> smooph: repositories like repositories.debian.org? repositories is what the collector is called
Dec 04 13:13:58 <Pavlz> i got the old nokia 770 with the kernel 2.6.16-omap1
Dec 04 13:13:59 <chem|st> smooph: repositories is no valid answer on 'where did you get it from'
Dec 04 13:14:09 <chem|st> Pavlz: hi
Dec 04 13:14:25 <smooph> testing
Dec 04 13:14:34 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Dec 04 13:14:37 <smooph> i guess
Dec 04 13:14:42 <smooph> i don't know
Dec 04 13:14:54 <chem|st> smooph: why did you wnat to install it?
Dec 04 13:15:11 <smooph> describtion sounded interessting
Dec 04 13:15:22 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil got some 50 bucks from Nokia for installing it :-P
Dec 04 13:15:23 <Venemo> smooph: what kind of app was this?
Dec 04 13:15:36 <Pavlz> i would like to know if there is any player to watch short movies *.ogv
Dec 04 13:16:10 <corecode> kerio: i don't seem to get 79
Dec 04 13:16:14 <chem|st> Pavlz: mplayer doesn't do it?
Dec 04 13:16:16 <corecode> also, 80 would be much better
Dec 04 13:16:30 <kerio> yeah but apparently there's no way to get 80 without going like 96x30
Dec 04 13:16:35 <kerio> use the volume keys to zoom :)
Dec 04 13:16:40 <chem|st> as ogv is just another container format..
Dec 04 13:16:53 <smooph> Venemo: I don't know my phone never started again after trying to install it
Dec 04 13:17:01 <kerio> not sure if it matters, i'm using droid sans mono bold 12
Dec 04 13:17:10 <Venemo> smooph: I get it, but what was this app?
Dec 04 13:17:28 <corecode> oh i didn't know that
Dec 04 13:17:32 <corecode> nice
Dec 04 13:18:04 <Pavlz> to the same time i got problems with opera browser, because it is very old and there are not binaries or source code for opera so i can't access to my e-mail on google
Dec 04 13:18:06 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and terribly missing in xterm
Dec 04 13:18:18 <DocScrutinizer> (zoom)
Dec 04 13:18:21 <chem|st> smooph: that thing is nowhere in the official repositories
Dec 04 13:18:34 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: is it in sdk tools?
Dec 04 13:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> ask SpeedEvil
Dec 04 13:18:58 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: zoom? go with volume keys!
Dec 04 13:18:59 <DocScrutinizer> iirc it's sent to you by Nokia, together with an NDA
Dec 04 13:19:12 <DocScrutinizer> in xchat???
Dec 04 13:19:21 <Pavlz> no i can listen but i can't watch with mplayer
Dec 04 13:19:23 <DocScrutinizer> oops
Dec 04 13:19:30 <DocScrutinizer> s/term/chat
Dec 04 13:19:46 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: ok
Dec 04 13:19:46 <DocScrutinizer> cya, off for a nap
Dec 04 13:20:01 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: you can change the font size, whats the matter?
Dec 04 13:20:02 <smooph> the first post i pretty much the same what happened to me
Dec 04 13:20:03 <smooph> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65900
Dec 04 13:20:27 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: usability
Dec 04 13:20:40 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: sure
Dec 04 13:20:44 <jacekowski> smooph: coldflash
Dec 04 13:21:00 <DocScrutinizer> ummm
Dec 04 13:21:04 <smooph> whats that?
Dec 04 13:21:12 <DocScrutinizer> you don't wanna know
Dec 04 13:21:26 <jacekowski> coldflash will not check battery level
Dec 04 13:21:44 <DocScrutinizer> but twl4030 will
Dec 04 13:21:46 * alterego starts his new project, its' called "QMote" :)
Dec 04 13:22:07 <chem|st> smooph: ah so you thought it hung and killed your device by powering off?
Dec 04 13:22:18 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: he's down to emergency charge already
Dec 04 13:22:18 <smooph> no
Dec 04 13:22:35 <Venemo> alterego: what app'll be it?
Dec 04 13:22:48 <jacekowski> then let it charge
Dec 04 13:22:51 <jacekowski> and flash it
Dec 04 13:23:02 <smooph> I waited 1 day nothing happened and than when I took it with me it was just turned off
Dec 04 13:23:10 <chem|st> jacekowski: it starts after 2-4mins of charging by itself
Dec 04 13:23:11 <alterego> Venemo: it's a IR remote controller interface using QtQuick/QML
Dec 04 13:23:30 <Venemo> alterego: something like QtIrreco?
Dec 04 13:23:32 <chem|st> smooph: it died on the battery...
Dec 04 13:23:39 <jacekowski> chem|st: and what happens after that?
Dec 04 13:23:41 <alterego> Venemo: yeah, but better :P
Dec 04 13:23:45 <alterego> I don't like that app.
Dec 04 13:23:49 <Venemo> alterego: nice :)
Dec 04 13:23:56 <chem|st> jacekowski: tries to boot something ?!
Dec 04 13:23:57 <alterego> I'm gonna have automatic detection too.
Dec 04 13:24:00 <jacekowski> chem|st: does it switch off?
Dec 04 13:24:17 <jacekowski> hmm, then you probably can coldflash it
Dec 04 13:24:20 <DocScrutinizer> bootloop
Dec 04 13:24:20 <chem|st> smooph: pls describe what happens
Dec 04 13:24:40 <jacekowski> chem|st: do you have liunux at hand somewhere?
Dec 04 13:24:47 <smooph> it tries to fix the failed install with the words "installing software update,please do not interrupt 5 %"
Dec 04 13:24:52 <chem|st> jacekowski: it is smooph not me
Dec 04 13:25:02 <jacekowski> smooph: do you have linux somewhere at hand?
Dec 04 13:25:07 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: you will regret that
Dec 04 13:25:10 <chem|st> jacekowski: I know my way around...
Dec 04 13:25:14 <smooph> on it of course ;D
Dec 04 13:25:22 <jacekowski> ~coldflash
Dec 04 13:25:22 <infobot> [coldflash] http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing
Dec 04 13:25:23 <chem|st> smooph: at hand!
Dec 04 13:26:10 * DocScrutinizer cancels nap, fetches popcorn and coke
Dec 04 13:26:34 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: not funny
Dec 04 13:26:47 * smooph doesn't agree with being a ginnypig
Dec 04 13:26:48 <DocScrutinizer> that WILL be funny
Dec 04 13:27:00 <chem|st> does anyone know where to get the gorilla pods mounting plates as single piece? want to make a customized batterycover with it
Dec 04 13:27:46 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: have some popcorn spare for me... I am out of gummibears by now ;)
Dec 04 13:30:41 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: smooph clearly stated his device goes down after a *short* time, after boot, and it obviously doesn't charge -> you have maybe 150s to do all the flashing from coldflash to working system, as coldflash kernel doesn't charge either
Dec 04 13:31:03 <jacekowski> 150s should be enough
Dec 04 13:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, will be funny, definitely
Dec 04 13:34:22 <smooph> nothing happens ... I cannot get it to connect to go into flashermode
Dec 04 13:35:05 <Venemo> smooph: like I said, get another charged battery, or charge your battery with another phone or an external charger
Dec 04 13:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> yes, you need to use coldflash special command parameters for flasher
Dec 04 13:35:26 <DocScrutinizer> as you have to override NOLO
Dec 04 13:35:29 <Venemo> smooph: or borrow a battery from a service centre
Dec 04 13:35:40 <DocScrutinizer> (the bootloader that shows the NOKIA screen)
Dec 04 13:36:45 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: I didn't know you could flash rootfs with coldflash
Dec 04 13:37:20 <smooph> I am using the command from the wiki jacekowski send me
Dec 04 13:38:21 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, it should get you into coldflashing mode the moment the phone boots up from charrging, after you connected it to a PC with started flasher command
Dec 04 13:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> no holding of 'u'
Dec 04 13:38:41 <alterego> It's a shame there isn't two IR emitters.
Dec 04 13:38:46 <alterego> I keep wanting to use my remote in portrait ..
Dec 04 13:38:51 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: yep
Dec 04 13:39:02 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: just windows is not fast enough to enumerate it
Dec 04 13:40:06 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: I always wondered if flasher should be told to use a particular USB port
Dec 04 13:40:21 <smooph> not working
Dec 04 13:41:23 <DocScrutinizer> yummy... popcorn
Dec 04 13:41:44 <jacekowski> smooph: are you on linux or windows?
Dec 04 13:41:48 <smooph> :) not so funny over here
Dec 04 13:41:51 <smooph> linux
Dec 04 13:41:55 <Venemo> alterego: lol
Dec 04 13:42:02 <jacekowski> smooph: switch off your phone
Dec 04 13:42:04 <jacekowski> remove battery
Dec 04 13:42:09 <jacekowski> disconnect usb cable
Dec 04 13:42:11 <Venemo> alterego: it's a shame there isn't an IR receiver too
Dec 04 13:42:15 <smooph> done
Dec 04 13:42:17 <jacekowski> wait a while
Dec 04 13:42:23 <jacekowski> what hw revision do you have?
Dec 04 13:42:32 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Dec 04 13:43:04 <smooph> don't know ... how what do you mean?
Dec 04 13:43:08 <DocScrutinizer> it can be found if you disassemble the lower half
Dec 04 13:43:25 <DocScrutinizer> ;-D
Dec 04 13:43:45 <jacekowski> smooph: start that command
Dec 04 13:43:47 <DocScrutinizer> or in /proc, of the phone's system that's not starting
Dec 04 13:43:49 <jacekowski> flasher-3.5 -c -h RX-51:2101 -2 2nd.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -s secondary.bin-RX-51\:2101\,2102\,2103 -S usb
Dec 04 13:43:57 <jacekowski> as root
Dec 04 13:44:11 <jacekowski> connect battery
Dec 04 13:44:15 <jacekowski> and plug in your phone via usb
Dec 04 13:44:17 <lolloo> is it that hard to include u-boot to power kernel ?
Dec 04 13:44:34 <lolloo> I need to run MeeGo but I have power kernel46
Dec 04 13:44:39 <chem|st> alterego: more power would be fine as I can point anywhere in the room to control my boombox with it's remote...
Dec 04 13:44:58 <chem|st> lolloo: there is no need to run meego...
Dec 04 13:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: replace those friggin R's
Dec 04 13:45:23 <chem|st> R?
Dec 04 13:45:29 <DocScrutinizer> resistors
Dec 04 13:45:33 <lolloo> ok there is no need, but I need U-boot on my n900
Dec 04 13:45:35 <chem|st> ah
Dec 04 13:45:51 <lolloo> and power46 has removed U-boot from it
Dec 04 13:46:06 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: the IR needs to be replaced too
Dec 04 13:46:15 <chem|st> wont work afaik
Dec 04 13:46:26 <DocScrutinizer> don't think so
Dec 04 13:46:53 <DocScrutinizer> you say LED?
Dec 04 13:46:58 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: you know the vendor and part number?
Dec 04 13:47:02 <smooph> jacekowski: I did what you said ... when I plugged in the USB it took a little time than the device turned on and went straight into "Installing Software update. Please do not interrupt."
Dec 04 13:47:04 <DocScrutinizer> looks quite beefy
Dec 04 13:47:13 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: nope
Dec 04 13:47:17 <jacekowski> smooph: what does dmesg say
Dec 04 13:47:55 <smooph> hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 6
Dec 04 13:47:55 <chem|st> jacekowski: I bet ubuntu and trying something weird before enumerating ;) popcorn?
Dec 04 13:48:08 <chem|st> ouch
Dec 04 13:48:39 <chem|st> smooph: is 2-0 on board?
Dec 04 13:48:58 <smooph> let me check
Dec 04 13:49:18 <chem|st> smooph: where did you plug it in to?
Dec 04 13:49:56 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: whatever the result of this - kudos for the idea
Dec 04 13:50:02 <smooph> yes all pluged into on board
Dec 04 13:51:02 <DocScrutinizer> 2-0:1-0 port 6 o.O
Dec 04 13:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> looks icky
Dec 04 13:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> mainboard hub
Dec 04 13:51:52 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: yeah...
Dec 04 13:52:00 <chem|st> smooph: is it your front usb?
Dec 04 13:52:08 <smooph> no
Dec 04 13:52:19 <chem|st> smooph: with a cable to the board something?
Dec 04 13:52:39 <chem|st> or one of the backpanel usbs?
Dec 04 13:52:48 <smooph> no it directly plugged into the mainboard backpanel
Dec 04 13:52:56 <alterego> Cool, just bound 'system' call into Qml space. So now I can run arbitrary command :)
Dec 04 13:53:17 <DocScrutinizer> smooph: try other ports
Dec 04 13:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> shortcut: use a memstick and check dmesg for a nicer log
Dec 04 13:53:51 <chem|st> smooph: you got a lot there so please use any usb device and plug it in another port on the back most prefered one of the most right in relation to loking at it with cpu UP
Dec 04 13:54:23 <DocScrutinizer> duh you know secrets
Dec 04 13:54:54 <chem|st> secrets?
Dec 04 13:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> is this an Intel spec or what?
Dec 04 13:55:10 <chem|st> it is a ATX layout spec
Dec 04 13:55:15 <DocScrutinizer> wow
Dec 04 13:55:25 <DocScrutinizer> dark secrets
Dec 04 13:55:29 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Dec 04 13:56:39 <chem|st> uATX is another thing I guess but xlATX and ATX have to be the first 2 from the left or the first two from the right
Dec 04 13:56:59 <DocScrutinizer> smooph: anyway, use a memstick or whatever and check dmesg log. If you find something nicer in there, paste it here
Dec 04 13:57:20 <chem|st> smooph: ^^ do that
Dec 04 13:57:34 <DocScrutinizer> nicer == not port >4, less digits after USB
Dec 04 13:59:32 <DocScrutinizer> meh, my popcorn getting cold, my neighbour stopped tearing down the wall to my sleeping room. The nap getting more tempting
Dec 04 13:59:58 <smooph> usb 2-2: new high speed USB device using ehci_hcd and address 15 ??? good enough ???
Dec 04 14:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> good enough
Dec 04 14:00:35 <chem|st> smooph: no usb 1-x available?
Dec 04 14:00:55 <DocScrutinizer> meh, don't nitpick
Dec 04 14:01:01 <chem|st> at least it is not talking about hub
Dec 04 14:01:15 <smooph> do i press "u" when the device turns on ?
Dec 04 14:01:20 <DocScrutinizer> nope
Dec 04 14:01:25 <DocScrutinizer> no use in that
Dec 04 14:01:30 <smooph> kk
Dec 04 14:01:52 <DocScrutinizer> but that's jacekowski's show anyway
Dec 04 14:01:54 <chem|st> oh nice with patched usb cdc_ether finally works...
Dec 04 14:02:55 <chem|st> [312240.899392] usb0: register 'cdc_ether' at usb-0000:00:02.1-1 ;)
Dec 04 14:03:01 <smooph> hub 2-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 2 ... back to installing software updates
Dec 04 14:03:25 <Venemo> smooph: why don't you follow my advice?
Dec 04 14:03:32 <alterego> http://pastie.org/1347070
Dec 04 14:03:44 <alterego> I think that's quite a nice way of creating lircd remotes ..
Dec 04 14:03:46 <lolloo> what is the command to force an app to install using apt-get?
Dec 04 14:03:57 <alterego> lolloo: apt-get install
Dec 04 14:04:07 <lolloo> -f ?
Dec 04 14:04:12 <alterego> Yeah
Dec 04 14:04:14 <smooph> Venemo: because your advice means going outside and i am snowed in
Dec 04 14:04:25 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Dec 04 14:04:28 <Venemo> smooph: ouch. :(
Dec 04 14:04:34 <chem|st> alterego: you are on a killing spree?
Dec 04 14:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, nice weather around here
Dec 04 14:04:41 <lolloo> what is the name of u-bootpackage used in apt-get?
Dec 04 14:04:49 <smooph> nothing to do but keep the computers running to heat up the place
Dec 04 14:04:56 <alterego> chem|st: ?
Dec 04 14:04:56 <lolloo> apt-get -f install u-boot?
Dec 04 14:05:13 <DocScrutinizer> apt-cache search uboot
Dec 04 14:05:17 <chem|st> lolloo: you should def. keep your hands off
Dec 04 14:05:19 <DocScrutinizer> apt-cache search boot
Dec 04 14:05:32 <lolloo> awesome
Dec 04 14:05:49 <lolloo> chem|st, no worries
Dec 04 14:05:50 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: lolloo: ACK
Dec 04 14:06:31 <chem|st> alterego: look at him little 'awesome' on a basic command will brick his device in no time...
Dec 04 14:06:36 <DocScrutinizer> lolloo: PLEASE charge your battery first ! :-P
Dec 04 14:06:47 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: you cannot ACK both of us..
Dec 04 14:06:53 <alterego> chem|st: you mean binding "system" into QML?
Dec 04 14:07:00 <lolloo> alright
Dec 04 14:07:03 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: I acked your comment
Dec 04 14:08:14 <chem|st> alterego: no I mean telling people simple commands on heavy topics is like throwing a gummiball into a class-animals vendor shop...
Dec 04 14:08:21 <chem|st> glass...
Dec 04 14:08:26 <alterego> ;)
Dec 04 14:08:30 <alterego> Meh,
Dec 04 14:08:40 <alterego> I'm not in the mood to mollycoddle today :)
Dec 04 14:09:23 <DocScrutinizer> how about dd? X-P
Dec 04 14:09:31 <chem|st> alterego: people with "that sounded interessting" sitting here with bricked devices, snowed in, out of coffee...
Dec 04 14:09:41 <alterego> :D
Dec 04 14:09:49 <alterego> Hahah nice
Dec 04 14:10:25 <DocScrutinizer> and jacekowski is suspiciously silent recently
Dec 04 14:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> smooph: how good is your electronics background?
Dec 04 14:16:53 <Arkenoi> http://thenokiablog.com/2010/12/01/meego-not-for-business/ oh shi.. somebody, PLEASE KILL HIM!
Dec 04 14:19:10 <chem|st> Arkenoi: who did think of E-series meego yet? kind of weird
Dec 04 14:19:50 <DocScrutinizer> hehe that E7 damn looks like that N9, doesn't it?
Dec 04 14:20:18 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: thats what I just thought
Dec 04 14:20:43 <Arkenoi> chem|st, i think meego would be ideal for e series (at least qwerty models)
Dec 04 14:20:44 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.engadget.com/photos/nokias-qwerty-slidin-n9-shows-up-in-the-wilds-of-china/#3277336
Dec 04 14:22:01 <chem|st> Arkenoi: meego is at least one year away from usable as anything, they should have taken maemo to the next step, at least for phones
Dec 04 14:22:44 <chem|st> a netbook ui, unusable without touchscreen or attached mouse is another issue
Dec 04 14:23:56 <chem|st> no device sync makes it even more wonderful
Dec 04 14:25:24 <chem|st> if I run something like meego on all mobile devices I want it to sync anything over wifi, if it's my current playlist to my car or the PIM to my netbook
Dec 04 14:25:42 <DocScrutinizer> ok, folks. This is way less funny than I thought it would be
Dec 04 14:25:45 <DocScrutinizer> cya
Dec 04 14:26:15 <smooph> bye
Dec 04 14:26:24 <smooph> thanks for the help
Dec 04 14:28:38 <pupnik> webgl summit 2010 demos http://people.mozilla.com/~vladimir/misc/vlad-summit2010.html
Dec 04 14:29:22 <smooph> hub 1-0:1.0: unable to enumerate USB device on port 3 that should be as good as it gets right ?
Dec 04 14:29:48 <smooph> chem|st: jacekowski
Dec 04 14:31:22 <DocScrutinizer> smooph: you own a voltmeter?
Dec 04 14:31:35 <smooph> no
Dec 04 14:31:40 <DocScrutinizer> k, nm
Dec 04 14:31:47 <alterego> I should really set my old blog up again.
Dec 04 14:31:55 <DocScrutinizer> get a charger or a spare battery
Dec 04 14:32:02 <alterego> This QML remote is cool :)
Dec 04 14:32:07 <alterego> And easy to code.
Dec 04 14:32:28 <smooph> DocScrutinizer I will do you know if other nokia phones have the same battery ?
Dec 04 14:32:37 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Dec 04 14:32:45 <DocScrutinizer> mompls
Dec 04 14:37:38 <DocScrutinizer> can't find that bookmark. anyway 5800 has bl-5j as well
Dec 04 14:37:48 <korhojoa> hey guys, anyone know how it would be possible to tell the phone to output sound via the speakers even though the tv-out cable is connected?
Dec 04 14:38:12 <DocScrutinizer> http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=3956679&cache=258451400&culture=de-DE
Dec 04 14:39:09 <DocScrutinizer> korhojoa: change the PA policy. No idea how to do that
Dec 04 14:39:44 <DocScrutinizer> korhojoa: or use alsamixer -c 0
Dec 04 14:39:45 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=OXcxFZbKUNI  qml/3d programming example - Golden Monkey God
Dec 04 14:40:11 <DocScrutinizer> err amixer?
Dec 04 14:40:20 <smooph1> thanks DocScrutinizer
Dec 04 14:40:28 <DocScrutinizer> np
Dec 04 14:42:44 <smooph1> I will ask some friends maybe they can snowmobil over here ;D
Dec 04 15:02:43 <alterego> http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-145219.png
Dec 04 15:02:59 <alterego> So now people can write quick and easy, and pretty, remote controls in QML :)
Dec 04 15:03:09 <alterego> Much cooler than the other apps.
Dec 04 15:05:14 <Venemo> alterego: good stuff
Dec 04 15:05:15 <zs> left, right arrows seem to be bigger than up and down arrows, why? :)
Dec 04 15:05:46 <alterego> zs: becuse rather than draw proper ones I've stolen icons that kind of visualise what I want from hildon stock icons.
Dec 04 15:06:13 <zs> you can rotate them to look the same
Dec 04 15:06:35 <alterego> Think I'll polish it up, add support for multiple remotes, including a pretty selector.
Dec 04 15:06:55 <alterego> Then people can use my app to create their own QML remotes for stuff they've got configured in lircd
Dec 04 15:07:23 <zs> yeah :)
Dec 04 15:07:53 <alterego> Here's the source for that UI: http://pastie.org/1347188
Dec 04 15:08:56 <alterego> Obviously you don't need to use my "Button" component, but it makes a nice wrapper for a button with either a label or icon and then "command" property is the name of the command code in your lircd.conf file
Dec 04 15:09:19 <alterego> My button at the moment is just using "TV" but I'll modify that when I do some more serious scht.
Dec 04 15:10:49 <pupnik> http://www.planet-claire.org/Torrini/Torrini2.mp3
Dec 04 15:10:57 <pupnik> great live performance
Dec 04 15:11:51 <pupnik> http://www.planet-claire.org/Torrini/index.htm  here she sings in front of a handful of people
Dec 04 15:24:33 * alterego does a skin for his xbox
Dec 04 15:31:17 <RST38h> http://www.coboloncogs.org/INDEX.HTM
Dec 04 15:36:16 <alterego> Cool, got it working with my XBox and my TV :D
Dec 04 15:36:20 <alterego> Next my computer.
Dec 04 15:36:31 <alterego> Then a nice interface to select which ones are active.
Dec 04 15:36:58 * MohammadAG stabs setAttribute()
Dec 04 15:37:27 <MohammadAG> why does setAttribute(Qt::WA_Maemo5ShowProgressIndicator, true) show the circle, while setting it to false doesn't!
Dec 04 15:37:47 <Venemo> MohammadAG: setting it to false disables the attribute
Dec 04 15:37:48 <alterego> Because that is how you show and hide it ..
Dec 04 15:37:54 <alterego> :P
Dec 04 15:38:08 <alterego> When you start doing something, set it to true, when you're done, set it to false.
Dec 04 15:38:18 <MohammadAG> alterego, heh, my question was retarded
Dec 04 15:38:25 <MohammadAG> when I set it to false, it doesn't go away
Dec 04 15:38:38 <Venemo> MohammadAG: it should
Dec 04 15:39:17 <alterego> Interwesting ..
Dec 04 15:39:51 <MohammadAG> same happened with the portrait flag
Dec 04 15:40:08 <pupnik> nice one RST38h
Dec 04 15:41:54 <MohammadAG> oops
Dec 04 15:42:03 <MohammadAG> typo in the signal :/
Dec 04 15:42:45 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  getting the same qt run errors as i got last week al of a sudden :| - build works fine, and runs fine after autobuilder etc, but wont let me test on my device, getting this - http://pastebin.com/mwTruPLX
Dec 04 15:43:07 <MohammadAG> NooBmonk3y, good evening to you too :P
Dec 04 15:43:23 <NooBmonk3y> morning, afternoon, evening gnite ;)
Dec 04 15:43:24 <MohammadAG> umm
Dec 04 15:43:31 <MohammadAG> edit debian/rules
Dec 04 15:43:47 <MohammadAG> actually, paste debian/rules :P
Dec 04 15:43:49 <MohammadAG> on pastebin of course(!!! again? k, !!!)
Dec 04 15:44:07 <NooBmonk3y> http://pastebin.com/yPVApQba
Dec 04 15:44:11 <NooBmonk3y> haven't changed it though
Dec 04 15:44:15 <NooBmonk3y> so tis just being odd again
Dec 04 15:44:26 <NooBmonk3y> checked permissions and they are all ok
Dec 04 15:45:15 <MohammadAG> you just need to run qmake
Dec 04 15:45:22 <MohammadAG> sec
Dec 04 15:45:42 <NooBmonk3y> ooo random
Dec 04 15:45:53 <NooBmonk3y> surely cd builddir && qmake-qt4 PREFIX=/usr ../$(APPNAME).pro does that?
Dec 04 15:46:09 <MohammadAG> hmm
Dec 04 15:46:11 <MohammadAG> just noticed that
Dec 04 15:47:02 <MohammadAG> right click the project name and hit run qmake
Dec 04 15:47:09 <MohammadAG> though it shouldn't really need that
Dec 04 15:47:25 <NooBmonk3y> ran fine
Dec 04 15:47:35 <NooBmonk3y> still errors when i try to run on device
Dec 04 15:48:05 <MohammadAG> which are?
Dec 04 15:48:34 <NooBmonk3y> same as before
Dec 04 15:48:39 <NooBmonk3y> :-1: error: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 2
Dec 04 15:48:44 <NooBmonk3y> + error i pastebinned
Dec 04 15:48:56 <MohammadAG> you can't run that on device o_O
Dec 04 15:49:30 <NooBmonk3y> lol i could last night lol
Dec 04 15:50:08 <GAN900> 1919 Model T in the parking lot.
Dec 04 15:50:24 <GAN900> Guy drove it on the interstate to get here. <_<
Dec 04 15:50:33 <MohammadAG> you can't run dpkg-buildpackage on the device
Dec 04 15:51:18 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG, ?
Dec 04 15:51:25 <NooBmonk3y> i click run on the pc
Dec 04 15:51:32 <NooBmonk3y> and it does its stuff then shoves it to the device
Dec 04 15:51:39 <NooBmonk3y> worked 1000's of times before, tis odd
Dec 04 15:51:55 <MohammadAG> it doesn't shove to the device, it fails before that
Dec 04 15:52:00 <NooBmonk3y> yeah :|
Dec 04 15:52:15 <MohammadAG> clean project (right click, click clean)
Dec 04 15:52:24 <MohammadAG> then right click, qmake
Dec 04 15:52:26 <MohammadAG> and run again
Dec 04 15:52:27 <NooBmonk3y> yeah mad dpkg-buildpackage -sa _S works ine, and autobuilder etc working fine
Dec 04 15:53:28 <NooBmonk3y> same error
Dec 04 15:55:42 <MohammadAG> ask Venemo I suppose, I hate Qt Creator's packaging scheme
Dec 04 15:58:04 <otwieracz> Hello.
Dec 04 15:58:10 <NooBmonk3y> :P
Dec 04 15:59:47 <alterego> http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-154856.png
Dec 04 15:59:50 <alterego> TV + XBox :)
Dec 04 16:00:38 <MohammadAG> alterego, any ideas if this can be used with Qt? http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-enable-zoom-keys
Dec 04 16:01:07 <alterego> Ah, I use the zoom keys in columbus
Dec 04 16:01:11 <alterego> Would you like to know how? :)
Dec 04 16:01:23 <otwieracz> O have problem with Piding at my n810 with OS2008 - I'm getting ping timeout and I'm unable to reconnect (still „Connecting…”) - network works, other apps like web browser too
Dec 04 16:02:05 <MohammadAG> alterego, sure :D
Dec 04 16:02:26 <otwieracz> Anybody have the same problem?
Dec 04 16:02:29 <otwieracz> What can be wrong?
Dec 04 16:02:41 <alterego> MohammadAG: it's basically two functions you need to implement/call in your MAinWindow
Dec 04 16:02:45 <alterego> I'll stick them in pastie
Dec 04 16:04:29 <alterego> MohammadAG: http://pastie.org/1347302
Dec 04 16:04:35 <alterego> Copy those to functions.
Dec 04 16:04:49 <alterego> Then in your MAinWindow call setupX11Keys()
Dec 04 16:05:07 <alterego> And put the code you want for each key in the keyPressEvent, which will magically get called from now on ;)
Dec 04 16:05:30 <MohammadAG> err, up/down is F7/F8?
Dec 04 16:05:55 <alterego> Yes, but they only get processed by Qt after you setup that X11 property.
Dec 04 16:06:28 <GAN900> alterego, your colors are hateful.
Dec 04 16:06:41 <alterego> GAN900: I know :P
Dec 04 16:06:56 <alterego> I'm concentrating on getting it working nicely, UI abstracts first.
Dec 04 16:06:59 <alterego> Then eye candy later.
Dec 04 16:08:32 <GAN900> Lame
Dec 04 16:09:23 <RST38h> Moo GAN900
Dec 04 16:09:35 <GAN900> Howdy, RST38h.
Dec 04 16:28:46 <lcuk_idea> yo rm_you \o
Dec 04 16:33:34 <rm_you> hey lcuk
Dec 04 16:33:40 <rm_you> or, lcuk_idea
Dec 04 16:33:44 <rm_you> do you have an idea? :P
Dec 04 16:34:07 <rm_you> having a job is ridiculous >_> very bad for productivity
Dec 04 16:34:11 <lcuk_idea> rm_you, i have an ideapad running meego :P
Dec 04 16:34:21 <rm_you> ah :P
Dec 04 16:34:46 <chem|st> what a waste....
Dec 04 16:34:53 <lcuk_idea> chem|st, hm?
Dec 04 16:35:09 <rm_you> how was Dublin?
Dec 04 16:35:12 <rm_you> I assume you went
Dec 04 16:35:18 <lcuk_idea> dublin was awesome indeed
Dec 04 16:35:24 <rm_you> I would have gone and just paid for it myself if I could have gotten the time off
Dec 04 16:35:29 <rm_you> even unpaid time off... <_<
Dec 04 16:35:58 <rm_you> I'm working for a major Oil&Gas company
Dec 04 16:36:02 * lcuk_idea nods
Dec 04 16:36:13 <lcuk_idea> you produce enough gas so it was only a matter of  time
Dec 04 16:36:20 <rm_you> lolol
Dec 04 16:36:50 <lcuk_idea> what are you actually doing for them?
Dec 04 16:37:35 <GAN900> Filtering oil through your teeth?
Dec 04 16:39:22 <lcuk_idea> GAN900, did the gulf spill ever get near your end
Dec 04 16:39:32 <GAN900> Not where I love
Dec 04 16:39:46 <GAN900> Thanks to the shelf and currents.
Dec 04 16:39:50 <GAN900> Er, live*.
Dec 04 16:39:54 <lcuk_idea> thats good then :) so those little alien helmet creatures are still around
Dec 04 16:40:03 * GAN900 does love it here, though.
Dec 04 16:40:15 <GAN900> Seemingly.
Dec 04 16:41:10 <GAN900> Though spawning season was during the summer.
Dec 04 16:43:07 <lcuk_idea> how do i get the sticker off this computer without damaging it, i have no finger nails
Dec 04 16:43:33 <GAN900> Find someone with fingernails?
Dec 04 16:43:42 <lcuk_idea> good idea
Dec 04 16:43:46 * lcuk_idea hollers tracy
Dec 04 16:46:37 <alterego> lcuk_idea: been working on a modular lirc front end in QML today.
Dec 04 16:46:41 <alterego> It's working really nicely :)
Dec 04 16:47:22 <alterego> The basic idea is, it has a nice hideable list, which shows all the remotes you've got configured in your lircd.conf file.
Dec 04 16:47:39 <alterego> Then when you select one, it loads a .qml file which can fire off the button press events.
Dec 04 16:47:53 <alterego> Simple, no support for irexec/batch operations.
Dec 04 16:47:58 <alterego> (yet)
Dec 04 16:48:43 <lcuk_idea> alterego, yeah i have had remote control working happily for last 2 years
Dec 04 16:48:54 <lcuk_idea> can you make one that looks like this:
Dec 04 16:49:22 <lolloo> eeeww am using a bad theme on my N900
Dec 04 16:49:30 <lolloo> WHITE !!!
Dec 04 16:49:33 <alterego> Well, the idea of doing in QML, means it's _really_ easy for anyone to write their own custom remote UIs
Dec 04 16:49:43 <lcuk_idea> http://liqbase.net/liq.20091016_041607.liqremote.scr.png
Dec 04 16:49:56 <alterego> lcuk_idea: that'd be easy :P
Dec 04 16:50:08 <lcuk_idea> alterego, remember what we talked about before about buttons in qml and tinting the colors
Dec 04 16:50:13 <lcuk_idea> i used the calculator as example then
Dec 04 16:50:17 <alterego> lcuk_idea: this is what I hve without any eye-candification: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/qmote/Screenshot-20101204-154856.png
Dec 04 16:50:18 <lcuk_idea> this is same principle
Dec 04 16:50:27 <rm_you> lcuk_idea: I work on their identity management system
Dec 04 16:50:47 <lcuk_idea> cool beans alterego
Dec 04 16:50:52 <lcuk_idea> but do they rotate?
Dec 04 16:50:53 <lolloo> candification LOL
Dec 04 16:50:55 <alterego> lcuk_idea: that's for my xbox and TV :)
Dec 04 16:50:59 <lcuk_idea> i can flip the one I have land/port
Dec 04 16:51:08 <lcuk_idea> rm_you, oooh
Dec 04 16:51:11 <alterego> lcuk_idea: well, the IR emitter is on the top, so portrait support I'm not going to bother with.
Dec 04 16:51:22 <lcuk_idea> alterego, my remote control works on n810
Dec 04 16:51:24 <lcuk_idea> and n900
Dec 04 16:51:26 <lcuk_idea> and ideapad
Dec 04 16:51:34 <lcuk_idea> and talks to my desktop machine
Dec 04 16:51:37 <lcuk_idea> over tcp
Dec 04 16:51:38 <alterego> I my add support for it, because I guess with an emitter connected to the network it doesn't matter right?
Dec 04 16:51:56 <alterego> Yeh, exactly. It's just the only emitter I hve is in the N900 ;)
Dec 04 16:52:03 <lcuk_idea> no emitter in this case i control media player on windows
Dec 04 16:52:11 <alterego> h, right
Dec 04 16:52:14 <lcuk_idea> i have a tiny deamon that runs
Dec 04 16:52:40 <lcuk_idea> i can muck around with video control whilst i am on other side of the world
Dec 04 16:52:42 <lcuk_idea> *grin*
Dec 04 16:52:51 <alterego> :)
Dec 04 16:58:33 * MohammadAG wonders how to do this in Qt     system("dmesg | grep PSFreedom > /var/tmp/.tempdmesg");
Dec 04 16:58:38 <MohammadAG> cleanly, without a system()
Dec 04 16:59:09 <alterego> Something wrong with system? :P
Dec 04 16:59:53 <MohammadAG> it spawns a shell
Dec 04 17:00:02 <MohammadAG> and it's not native Qt :P
Dec 04 17:01:44 <MohammadAG> I could probably use QString::remove(), but idk how Qt regexes work
Dec 04 17:01:51 <BCMM> that's OK, there's no cross-platform way to read the kernel ring buffer
Dec 04 17:01:55 <BCMM> ;)
Dec 04 17:02:30 <MohammadAG> still, it spawns a shell
Dec 04 17:03:35 <MohammadAG> nice example:  QRegExp rx("^\\d\\d?$");    // match integers 0 to 99
Dec 04 17:17:07 <BCMM> MohammadAG: yes, the smiley was supposed to convey that i don't really think that that makes it OK to implement it in Bourne
Dec 04 17:17:16 <BCMM> clearly, you want to write a small FORTRAN program and call taht
Dec 04 17:19:38 * MohammadAG grumbles, takes out a knife :P
Dec 04 17:20:16 <ibansal_> hi all
Dec 04 17:20:52 <ibansal_> can anyone help me in installing maemo on ubuntu 9.10 build on virtual box
Dec 04 17:21:02 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
Dec 04 17:21:03 <infobot> i heard maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Dec 04 17:22:58 <ibansal_> infobot, thanks
Dec 04 17:22:58 <infobot> bitte, ibansal_
Dec 04 17:23:27 <BCMM> but knives are even more likely to end badly than regexps
Dec 04 17:32:34 <Pauly> hello
Dec 04 17:32:40 <Pauly> all
Dec 04 17:34:47 <Pauly> RawRR lol
Dec 04 17:37:58 <blackthorne> hi
Dec 04 17:41:15 <blackthorne> it`s impressive how am I so happy with my new n900
Dec 04 17:41:39 <blackthorne> even though I can`t find the apps that i really need
Dec 04 17:42:16 <blackthorne> and the battery lifetime is really limited
Dec 04 17:44:02 <SpeedEvil> It depends what you do with it.
Dec 04 17:44:22 <SpeedEvil> If you avoid 3G internet use, then your battery life can go up quite a lot
Dec 04 17:45:25 <MohammadAG> I traded batteries with a classmate, his battery was a new one, got 14 hours with constant wifi
Dec 04 17:45:38 <MohammadAG> I don't get that much with any of my 3 batteries
Dec 04 17:45:49 <haltdef> I'm hoping meego takes off, lots of third party software then
Dec 04 17:45:56 <BCMM> blackthorne: what apps do you really need?
Dec 04 17:47:34 <mikki-kun> blackthorne: battery will always be an issue as long as no portable atomic fusion is possible in a small micro-cell
Dec 04 17:48:40 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: you got bad quality batteries?
Dec 04 17:48:56 <mikki-kun> happened to me 3 times with my batts from dell
Dec 04 17:49:06 <mikki-kun> bad cache of cells i guess
Dec 04 17:49:23 <MohammadAG> doubt it
Dec 04 17:49:59 <MohammadAG> there's another N900 in class, it doesn't get 14h
Dec 04 17:51:17 <mikki-kun> so his n900 got the 14 hours?
Dec 04 17:51:24 <blackthorne> BCMM: eBay and twitter
Dec 04 17:51:27 <mikki-kun> maybe he is not running anything in background
Dec 04 17:51:39 <mikki-kun> *pointing at microB*
Dec 04 17:51:41 <BCMM> blackthorne: those are websites...
Dec 04 17:51:44 <mikki-kun> we have that one for that :)
Dec 04 17:51:47 <BCMM> what mikki-kun said
Dec 04 17:52:30 <BCMM> also, i'm pretty sure there are multiple twitter clients
Dec 04 17:52:32 <SpeedEvil> I get - idle - about 110 hours.
Dec 04 17:52:33 <mikki-kun> we have the best browser on the market, why should we need an app for that then? (except for some flash-websites i admit which are otherwise killing your cpu-performance pretty hard)
Dec 04 17:52:40 <MohammadAG> mikki-kun, no, his battery gets 14 hours
Dec 04 17:52:41 <SpeedEvil> Or 4-5 days
Dec 04 17:52:49 <MohammadAG> I was using it in my device
Dec 04 17:52:51 <SpeedEvil> Logged into wifi with ssh up
Dec 04 17:52:52 <mikki-kun> BCMM: problem is they are not good at "search"
Dec 04 17:53:05 <mikki-kun> buggy or unwanted results coming up pretty often i read
Dec 04 17:53:09 <BCMM> blackthorne: ok, there are a stupid number of twitter clients, do you not have extras or something?
Dec 04 17:53:32 <BCMM> as for an ebay app, what on earth is that when it isn't a web browser?
Dec 04 17:53:52 <MohammadAG> probably an iPhone convert, that thing has apps for everything
Dec 04 17:53:57 <mikki-kun> i think he suspects getting faster loading times
Dec 04 17:54:12 <BCMM> MohammadAG: i'm still not sure *how* there manage to be apps of websites
Dec 04 17:54:33 <BCMM> are they all just shovelware that embeds a web browsing widget that's pointed at a stripped-down version of the site?
Dec 04 17:54:38 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: esniper
Dec 04 17:54:43 <MohammadAG> the same as the big website, with things in one list
Dec 04 17:54:55 <SpeedEvil> http://sourceforge.net/projects/esniper/files/esniper/2.24.0/esniper-2-24-0.tgz/download
Dec 04 17:55:09 <SpeedEvil> esniper is very useful - it's a lightweight ebay sniping tool.
Dec 04 17:55:11 <BCMM> SpeedEvil: ooh, didn't know they permitted taht
Dec 04 17:55:24 <SpeedEvil> console
Dec 04 17:55:26 <BCMM>  probably wouldn't wanna do that over 3g...
Dec 04 17:55:36 <SpeedEvil> It should actually compile with no issue at all on n900
Dec 04 17:55:51 <SpeedEvil> BCMM: Well - if you have a reliable connection.
Dec 04 17:56:09 <BCMM> hmm
Dec 04 17:56:15 <BCMM> it says ebay does try to block bots
Dec 04 17:56:19 <SpeedEvil> I buy most things on ebay using it.
Dec 04 17:56:29 <SpeedEvil> where?
Dec 04 17:56:30 <BCMM> but doesn't have rules against automated sniping? wth?
Dec 04 17:56:35 <BCMM> http://esniper.sourceforge.net/
Dec 04 17:56:51 <pupnik> ty for the tip SpeedEvil
Dec 04 17:57:06 <SpeedEvil> Oh - right
Dec 04 17:57:14 <mikki-kun> nice to see something like that floating around... if i'd just need that though ^^
Dec 04 17:57:16 <corecode> any idea how to implement a libsharing service in python?
Dec 04 17:57:18 <mikki-kun> but will keep that in mind
Dec 04 17:57:21 <SpeedEvil> I've not hit any captcha
Dec 04 17:58:12 <SpeedEvil> ah
Dec 04 17:58:19 <SpeedEvil> I see it's recent.
Dec 04 18:00:02 <SpeedEvil> I'm not getting any requests ofr captcaha - maybe my account is 'reliable
Dec 04 18:01:50 <mikki-kun> maybe you've been long enough @ ebay they know you being not a bot
Dec 04 18:03:04 <mikki-kun> Ö.ö why do i refer to "at" with @? Ö.ö either i am starting to compress information via symbols or my coffee levels are really low
Dec 04 18:04:30 <JakDaRippa> i have the nokia n900. no sim card. using wifi. i have a pay skype account. i haven't been able to sms successfully. do i need a valid sim card to do this?
Dec 04 18:04:48 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: twitter
Dec 04 18:05:02 <mikki-kun> SpeedEvil: i am not using that one
Dec 04 18:05:05 <SpeedEvil> SMS can be done over skype?
Dec 04 18:05:07 <mikki-kun> and never thought about getting one
Dec 04 18:05:17 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: @foo is a twitterism.
Dec 04 18:05:42 <SpeedEvil> You definately need a valid SIM to send normal SMSs
Dec 04 18:05:46 <JakDaRippa> SpeedEvil, i'm only able to msg other skype users.
Dec 04 18:05:52 <JakDaRippa> ty
Dec 04 18:06:07 <mikki-kun> JakDaRippa: i am not sure if skype-sms has been implemented to the n900
Dec 04 18:06:19 <SpeedEvil> Well - I think there are some pilots that enable SMS to 911
Dec 04 18:06:25 <SpeedEvil> which may work without but...
Dec 04 18:06:48 * RST38h ran powertop with and without skype account connected, and compared results. Freaking shiiiiiiiiiiiiii....
Dec 04 18:07:43 <andre__> JakDaRippa: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=31085 comments 4 and 5
Dec 04 18:07:58 <JakDaRippa> ok
Dec 04 18:09:01 <trumee> RST38h: how about sip?
Dec 04 18:09:13 <mikki-kun> RST38h: care to tell the difference?
Dec 04 18:10:18 <pupnik> i assume skype chewed up battery
Dec 04 18:11:08 * trumee has his skype disabled. Only cares about sip calls.
Dec 04 18:13:04 <BCMM> trumee: i had some trouble with SIP - can you recommend a provider?
Dec 04 18:13:15 <mikki-kun> pupnik: yeah, that's what i think as well, but just how much more is my queston ^^
Dec 04 18:13:34 <pupnik> 19:00 < paulguy> I wonder if any porn magazines use latex for their typesetting.
Dec 04 18:13:45 <trumee> BCMM: plenty. Try voiptalk.org
Dec 04 18:14:11 <BCMM> why on earth is that a .org?
Dec 04 18:14:21 <trumee> BCMM: or sipgate.de/sipgate.co.uk
Dec 04 18:14:47 <trumee> BCMM: its a uk based provider, no idea whey use .org
Dec 04 18:16:01 <trx> what package do i need to install in order to use mysql client library?
Dec 04 18:16:06 <BCMM> trumee: thanks
Dec 04 18:16:32 <trumee> BCMM: np
Dec 04 18:35:22 <trx> does anyone know what package do i need in order to use mysql?
Dec 04 18:39:24 <lcuk> trx, at a guess, one of the mysql packages..
Dec 04 18:39:25 <lcuk> http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=mysql&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
Dec 04 18:39:31 <lcuk> eek @ that uber url
Dec 04 18:43:03 <trx> i cant see them in extras-devel repo
Dec 04 18:43:12 <trx> thank you
Dec 04 18:52:54 <apic> Hello everybody.
Dec 04 18:53:06 <Venemo> hello apic
Dec 04 18:53:18 <apic> Somehow my eMMC stopped working. Can I somehow "cold format" it while booted?
Dec 04 18:53:33 <apic> Most applications also lack RAM now...
Dec 04 18:54:06 <apic> I failed my attempts at reflashing the vanilla thingy too
Dec 04 18:54:23 <apic> Just the 256 MB integrated RAM now, not the whole gig... :-(
Dec 04 18:55:09 <apic> What device on /dev should it get? I just see my microSD card at /dev/mmcblk1 now. Should it get assigned /dev/mmcblk0?
Dec 04 18:55:30 <apic> dmesg tells me something about a corractable ECC error..
Dec 04 18:55:30 <apic> .
Dec 04 18:55:36 <apic> s/ract/rect/
Dec 04 18:56:58 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG, figured it out..........
Dec 04 18:57:18 <NooBmonk3y> 2 QT creator versions on my computer!!! and it keeps loading the old one rather than the new one!
Dec 04 18:58:37 <SpeedEvil> apic: no - they are hardware, not logical addresses
Dec 04 18:58:53 <MohammadAG> ...
Dec 04 18:58:53 <SpeedEvil> apic: Unfortunately, some people have had hardware failures of the emmc.
Dec 04 18:59:03 <MohammadAG> remove the one installed by ubuntu
Dec 04 19:00:29 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG,  will do :p - just wanna make sure i do the right one!
Dec 04 19:15:18 <luke-jr> apic: there is only 256 MB RAM,  not a gig
Dec 04 19:16:36 <apic> Ok, so I'll just buy a big SDHC card and use mmcblk1 instead of mmcblk0 for swap
Dec 04 19:16:52 <apic> What capacity can it cope with as a maximum?
Dec 04 19:17:28 <SpeedEvil> apic: 16G
Dec 04 19:17:37 <apic> Ok, thanks.
Dec 04 19:17:46 <SpeedEvil> apic: the normal software stack as I understand it will not work without the mmc
Dec 04 19:17:53 <SpeedEvil> you'd need to patch it in some way
Dec 04 19:21:12 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, 32GB works
Dec 04 19:23:25 <trumee> MohammadAG: any idea if Power Kernel has pulse-audio patches?
Dec 04 19:24:08 <MohammadAG> not that I know of, no
Dec 04 19:24:15 <MohammadAG> and pulseaudio is userspace
Dec 04 19:24:17 <MohammadAG> not kernelspace
Dec 04 19:24:40 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: no PA patched in kernel-power
Dec 04 19:25:58 <e-yes> hi all. is there simple way to get is power supply connected or not using gpio? (in kernel)
Dec 04 19:29:44 <SpeedEvil> e-yes: why?
Dec 04 19:30:07 <SpeedEvil> e-yes: You can, but you probably9 don't want to do it that way.
Dec 04 19:30:16 <SpeedEvil> Unless you're writing a bootloader
Dec 04 19:30:49 <SpeedEvil> #maemo-hostmode-discussion may be of use to you. Look at the links in the topic
Dec 04 19:30:52 <SpeedEvil> ADFK
Dec 04 19:35:39 <e-yes> SpeedEvil, i can't use i2c (other drivers/userland soft fail if i open i2c device in kernel). Also using /sys is not good idea (afaik no way to use it except opening as files). Thx for invite, however, I've added m-h-d channel to favorites;)
Dec 04 19:37:18 * e-yes looking for best way for "int is_ac_connected(void)" implementation. (I need it for pda_power integration)
Dec 04 19:40:58 <nox-> moin
Dec 04 20:01:57 <NooBmonk3y> anyone managed to get QAudioDeviceInfo::availableDevices displaying anything on the n900?
Dec 04 20:02:15 <NooBmonk3y> tried about 4 months ago, and same result today :( - nothing found :(
Dec 04 20:06:35 <NooBmonk3y> ahhhhhhhh ffs "The low level audio classes (including QAudioInput) are not supported on maemo 5/N900. If Qt Mobility 1.1.1 or later is released for N900 that may change."
Dec 04 20:06:49 <NooBmonk3y> everytime i dig deeper into qtmobility i get shot back :(
Dec 04 20:07:47 <Jay_BEE> not cool at all
Dec 04 20:08:04 <MohammadAG> isn't 1.2 out?
Dec 04 20:08:57 <NooBmonk3y> not mobility
Dec 04 20:09:00 <NooBmonk3y> 1.1 is
Dec 04 20:09:04 <NooBmonk3y> 1.1.1 isnt
Dec 04 20:09:24 <NooBmonk3y> but out and out for maemo seems to be a different thing
Dec 04 20:09:51 <MohammadAG> lol
Dec 04 20:09:55 <Jay_BEE> even though they consider maemo5 a tier 1 platform
Dec 04 20:09:59 * MohammadAG gives NooBmonk3y a hint
Dec 04 20:10:01 <MohammadAG> babyphone
Dec 04 20:10:12 <MohammadAG> have a look at its source
Dec 04 20:10:30 <GAN900> Why do crazy people think I want to hear their crazy theories.
Dec 04 20:10:39 <NooBmonk3y> babyphone?
Dec 04 20:10:50 <GAN900> Great, so the mantle is full of water and "highly volatile" carbon.
Dec 04 20:11:02 <RST38h> Because they ran out of other opportunities?
Dec 04 20:11:10 <GAN900> Evidently.
Dec 04 20:11:55 <SpeedEvil> e-yes: what do you mean by that. There are allied projects perhaps.
Dec 04 20:13:00 <crashanddie> what are the good websites / leads for IT jobs in the US?
Dec 04 20:13:22 <NooBmonk3y> meh, doesnt quite do what i want
Dec 04 20:15:38 <MohammadAG> NooBmonk3y, I said source, not binary
Dec 04 20:16:04 <NooBmonk3y> MohammadAG, i am lol
Dec 04 20:16:15 <NooBmonk3y> its calling what it needs diectly
Dec 04 20:16:25 <NooBmonk3y> i'm trying to call all available input/outputs
Dec 04 20:16:53 <NooBmonk3y> according to qt, pulseaudio seems to be playing around, again.......
Dec 04 20:17:02 <GAN900> How does the clock's "Update automatically" setting get turned off. . . .
Dec 04 20:17:17 <GAN900> crashanddie, moving to the US?
Dec 04 20:17:21 <SpeedEvil> Move to the UK
Dec 04 20:17:36 <andre__> GAN900, clicking on the digits of the clock. Totally non-intuitive.
Dec 04 20:17:45 <crashanddie> GAN900: nha, trying to help out a friend
Dec 04 20:17:48 <GAN900> andre__, love it.
Dec 04 20:18:01 <crashanddie> GAN900: he got inspired by my success story moving to the UK, so he thought he'd do the same with NY
Dec 04 20:18:27 <crashanddie> problem is, the guy wouldn't be able to explain what the difference between UDP and TCP is
Dec 04 20:19:59 <GAN900> Oof
Dec 04 20:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: (no PA patches) the more interesting it'll be to find what actually causes the problem
Dec 04 20:21:31 <trumee> DocScrutinizer: that will be more trick if i dont know which patch to leave out in kernel-power
Dec 04 20:23:27 <DocScrutinizer51> binary dissect
Dec 04 20:24:14 <DocScrutinizer51> include (a reasonably selected) 'half' of all the patches
Dec 04 20:25:06 <trumee> ls -l patches/|wc -l  > 40 patches
Dec 04 20:25:36 <MohammadAG> is there a way to make tar use all cores?
Dec 04 20:27:00 <DocScrutinizer51> trumee: after 5 kernels to test you know which patch it's been
Dec 04 20:27:55 <DocScrutinizer51> maybe 6
Dec 04 20:35:58 * MohammadAG needs a scratchbox with an epically fast internet connection
Dec 04 20:36:15 <MohammadAG> short for ^ cba to upload 67MBs cause t-tan is lazy to do it himself
Dec 04 20:40:43 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (multithreaded tar) probably not, esp for compressing
Dec 04 20:41:05 <DocScrutinizer> all threads need to operate on one dictionary
Dec 04 20:41:43 <DocScrutinizer> well, that's actually the gz part
Dec 04 20:42:16 <DocScrutinizer> the tar part even works on one output file, while tar'ing
Dec 04 20:43:11 <MohammadAG> nah, I want it for decompressing
Dec 04 20:43:42 <DocScrutinizer> that's quite easy: have several tar instances extracting one of the files
Dec 04 20:43:56 <MohammadAG> PSFreedom's modules don't play well with headers, they need the whole kernel compiled, so I need kernel-power-source as a package
Dec 04 20:43:56 <MohammadAG> so I could build depend on it
Dec 04 20:44:08 <MohammadAG> sadly, t-tan thinks it's too much work, so I'm maintaining it separately
Dec 04 20:44:46 <DocScrutinizer> definitely suboptimal management of the sources
Dec 04 20:45:44 <MohammadAG> also, broadcom isn't helping, it went down from 490+ kbps (2 minute download) to 14 or something
Dec 04 20:46:02 <DocScrutinizer> tzz
Dec 04 20:46:59 <MohammadAG> oh nice, 1h24m
Dec 04 20:47:16 <MohammadAG> fuck you broadcom
Dec 04 20:47:36 <NooBmonk3y> lol
Dec 04 20:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> if pk was based on stock repository, you'd not see such problems
Dec 04 20:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> in a proper git tree I mean
Dec 04 20:48:17 <MohammadAG> he told me he removed the crap manually :/
Dec 04 20:48:30 <MohammadAG> so he actually made it worse on purpose
Dec 04 20:49:18 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, no clue how to patch out a whole file then?
Dec 04 20:49:32 <crashanddie> patch out a whole file?
Dec 04 20:49:58 <DocScrutinizer> versus "remove crap by hand"
Dec 04 20:50:39 <crashanddie> patch only applies a diff to a file
Dec 04 20:50:59 <crashanddie> I guess you're better off just patching out the whole file, and then remove empty files
Dec 04 20:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> so the diff has a lot of - lines then?
Dec 04 20:51:49 <crashanddie> yeah
Dec 04 20:51:54 <crashanddie> at least as many as the original
Dec 04 20:52:05 <crashanddie> or commenting out, I guess
Dec 04 20:52:22 <MohammadAG> no, he's not using a diff
Dec 04 20:52:28 <MohammadAG> he removed them from the source
Dec 04 20:53:56 <crashanddie> I'm lost
Dec 04 20:55:27 <MohammadAG> stock kernel's source makes a kernel-source package, he removed the lines in debian/control and debian/rules that do so
Dec 04 20:58:08 <DocScrutinizer51> we need a clean alternative - at very least for h-e-n
Dec 04 20:58:27 <crashanddie> MohammadAG: that still didn't explain what the problem was...
Dec 04 21:00:21 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, I can't apt-get source from a debian/rules file
Dec 04 21:00:39 <MohammadAG> I need to depend on a .deb package, and I need both kernels since maemo lacks dkms
Dec 04 22:32:31 <GAN900> Ugh, sinus infection.
Dec 04 22:32:58 <SpeedEvil> Are you sure it's not a cosine infection?
Dec 04 22:33:28 <merlin_1991> whatabout tangent?
Dec 04 22:42:08 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, I hope not. The drugs for that are way more expensive.
Dec 04 23:10:00 <CableTwitch> Y'ello
Dec 04 23:10:32 <CableTwitch> Question. Has anyone been having issues with Pigin and ICQ accounts recently?
Dec 04 23:14:00 <CableTwitch> I guess not.
Dec 04 23:14:49 <nox-> i dont use icq but ive read ppl had issues with pidgin too...
Dec 04 23:15:04 <nox-> just their usual protocol rototilling i guess...
Dec 04 23:15:15 <CableTwitch> Ahh, so its not just me. Alrighty.
Dec 04 23:36:59 <blackthorne> is the n900 supposed to work with a non nokia set of headphones?
Dec 04 23:37:40 <nox-> id say so
Dec 04 23:37:50 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: ping
Dec 04 23:38:34 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: blue_led1 is looking for source of g_file_storage / g_nokia. Got any pointer for him?
Dec 04 23:39:04 <DocScrutinizer> or anybody else of course
Dec 04 23:41:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, mxr
Dec 04 23:42:03 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, checking my bookmarks - I feel like having asked same question yesterday :-D
Dec 04 23:42:17 <DocScrutinizer> can't find it
Dec 04 23:42:44 <DocScrutinizer> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/....
Dec 04 23:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/nokia.c  ??
Dec 04 23:45:17 <DocScrutinizer> blue_led1: ^^^
Dec 04 23:46:09 <DocScrutinizer> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/gadget/file_storage.c
Dec 04 23:49:49 <blue_led1> found what i need !
Dec 05 00:07:33 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, how's the weather over there?
Dec 05 00:08:29 <DocScrutinizer51> cold and snowy
Dec 05 00:09:56 * GAN900 is freezing and it's 13°C
Dec 05 00:10:15 <GAN900> Dublin aclimation lasted about 48 hours.
Dec 05 00:11:07 <range> Thermometer in the car showed -16°C around Munich.
Dec 05 00:11:23 <range> -10°C in Munich.
Dec 05 00:12:07 <DocScrutinizer51> http://thefuckingweather.com/?zipcode=nuernberg&CELSIUS=yes
Dec 05 00:12:20 <range> Nice one :)
Dec 05 00:12:50 <MohammadAG> at least you guys have snow
Dec 05 00:12:56 * MohammadAG grins
Dec 05 00:13:04 <range> Shows -17 here. Probably around the airport.
Dec 05 00:14:03 <DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: yeah, a mega fire would be worse
Dec 05 00:14:48 <CableTwitch> Whats !C when its at home?
Dec 05 00:15:57 <DocScrutinizer51> Error: does not compute
Dec 05 00:19:25 <Termana> morning
Dec 05 00:22:41 <DocScrutinizer51> morning
Dec 05 00:54:38 <b-man`> DocScrutinizer51: that an epic weather site :D
Dec 05 00:54:42 <b-man`> *tahts
Dec 05 00:55:09 <b-man`> **thats
Dec 05 00:55:44 <b-man`> gah, i fail at typing tonight - too much coding :P
Dec 05 00:59:49 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah I can tell from double deref **
Dec 05 01:04:21 <DocScrutinizer51> b-man`: btw that's one of my N900 desktop shortcuts :-D
Dec 05 01:05:01 <b-man`> awesome :)
Dec 05 01:43:44 <auenf> wtf, had the phone on charge overnight, go to unplug it, and battery bar is red :/
Dec 05 01:44:20 <nox-> charger not plugged in?
Dec 05 01:44:32 <nox-> to mains i mean
Dec 05 01:45:14 <auenf> ok, i charged it for about a minute, and the battery bar is full now
Dec 05 01:50:29 <ieatlint> probably was just the widget not updating
Dec 05 01:50:39 <ieatlint> race condition..
Dec 05 01:52:13 <cvr5> hai....................................................................................................................................................................
Dec 05 01:52:43 <ieatlint> that's one hell of an ellipsis
Dec 05 01:52:47 <Pavlz> hello
Dec 05 01:53:32 <cvr5> #maemo <pavlz>
Dec 05 01:53:37 <Pavlz> i got a problem with the browser opera on my nokia 770
Dec 05 01:54:03 <cvr5> mobile                ya?
Dec 05 01:54:04 <FLaT`> mm
Dec 05 01:54:26 <cvr5> wat pbm da/
Dec 05 01:54:29 <Pavlz> 'unable to complete secure connection'
Dec 05 01:54:58 <Pavlz> and then a long URL
Dec 05 01:55:00 <cvr5> c the configuration settings
Dec 05 01:56:02 <Pavlz> pratically i can't access to gmail on nokia 770
Dec 05 01:56:53 <cvr5> k da.ur mob has sme fault.................c it in mob centers immediately
Dec 05 01:59:08 <psycho_oreos> 770 isn't a mobile phone, its an internet tablet
Dec 05 01:59:23 <psycho_oreos> and imo opera isn't the standard browser for 770, at least not for n900 when it has microB
Dec 05 02:01:59 <Pavlz> ´unable to connections secure transaction'
Dec 05 02:03:26 <psycho_oreos> that made no sense, in any case I'd bug opera for support status on 770
Dec 05 02:14:43 <lolloo> Morning
Dec 05 02:20:21 <pupnik> moo
Dec 05 02:24:56 <pupnik> http://images2.fanpop.com/images/photos/3900000/Space-1999-science-fiction-3998917-1024-768.jpg    best sci fi spaceship of the 70s
Dec 05 02:25:22 <DocScrutinizer51> meh, is this noise generator gone?
Dec 05 02:25:31 <DocScrutinizer51> (cvr5)
Dec 05 02:25:51 <nox-> pupnik, moonbase alpha?
Dec 05 02:28:20 <SpeedEvil> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Discovery_One
Dec 05 02:28:24 <SpeedEvil> clearly better
Dec 05 02:29:21 <pupnik> ty nox-
Dec 05 02:30:06 <pupnik> yes nox-
Dec 05 02:30:10 <pupnik> i mean SpeedEvil
Dec 05 02:30:21 <pupnik> but the space:1999 thing was supposed to be a lunar hopper
Dec 05 02:30:36 <pupnik> and it was sort of reasonable for that role
Dec 05 02:33:42 <SpeedEvil> True.
Dec 05 02:35:28 <SpeedEvil> Though the initial conceit of the series had a MASSIVE HONKING FLAW.
Dec 05 02:44:41 <pupnik> hah NASA has a 'moonbase alpha' game! http://www.nasa.gov/offices/education/programs/national/ltp/games/moonbasealpha/index.html
Dec 05 02:45:54 <nox-> pupnik, it was the german title of that tv series
Dec 05 02:46:40 <pupnik> yeah!
Dec 05 02:47:07 <nox-> :)
Dec 05 02:48:46 <Termana> SpeedEvil, did it go Beep Beep all the time?
Dec 05 02:48:47 <Termana> :p
Dec 05 02:49:43 * nox- suspects noise in space...
Dec 05 02:52:04 <SpeedEvil> No - the series was started off by the moon being blown out of its orbit - and indeed out of the solar system - by an explosion
Dec 05 02:52:22 <nox-> aw
Dec 05 02:52:41 <b-man`> gah, when i start to see horizontal lines in my vision, i know i've been on my computer tooooo long :P
Dec 05 02:52:42 <SpeedEvil> The maximum accelleration the moon can undergo and stay moon-shaped is significantly under 1/6th g
Dec 05 02:52:58 <SpeedEvil> b-man`: xrandr -o left
Dec 05 02:53:10 <b-man`> SpeedEvil: lol
Dec 05 02:53:50 <b-man`> i mean i can see them when i look away from my monitor lol
Dec 05 02:58:47 <b-man`> pupnik, it seems that NASA has rescheduled the shuttle launch once again to Feb. 3 :(
Dec 05 02:59:47 <nox-> oh
Dec 05 02:59:51 <b-man`> i was hoping to see the launch on the 23rd, guess i'll have to wait until April :P
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