**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 10 02:59:57 2010 Dec 10 03:00:14 Ethernet Dec 10 03:00:23 http://www.pogoplugged.com/forum/thread/12156/CPU-and-RAM-in-the-updated-Pogoplug./ I meant Dec 10 03:00:54 SpeedEvil: … it doesn't say Dec 10 03:01:19 in fact, it looks like the company is intentionally hiding it Dec 10 03:02:51 hi hello anyone have n900 on t-mobile usa? Dec 10 03:03:15 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/SheevaPlug Dec 10 03:03:22 my usb socket came out of my n900 today Dec 10 03:03:43 so sad Dec 10 03:04:18 Pauly: I do. Dec 10 03:04:26 SpeedEvil: Sheeva uses liek 20W Dec 10 03:04:41 luke-jr: Where are you getting that number? Dec 10 03:05:04 SpeedEvil: dunno Dec 10 03:05:11 luke-jr: That sounds unlikely - from the architecture, and the more likely numbers of 2.3W idle on wikipedia and 7W 100% CPU Dec 10 03:05:29 20W is likely if you plug a desktop drive in Dec 10 03:06:23 http://ahsoftware.de/dockstar/ Dec 10 03:06:24 also Dec 10 03:07:17 Power input: 100-240VAC/50-60Hz Max. 20W Dec 10 03:07:28 from GuruPlug specs Dec 10 03:07:37 Sheeva is just low-end GuruPlug Dec 10 03:07:57 right. That's a power supply spec, which is never real Dec 10 03:08:30 wow thats awesome never seen anything like that Dec 10 03:08:39 they also don't have any stock : Dec 10 03:08:41 :/ Dec 10 03:08:42 Also - that will be with the hard drive plugged in Dec 10 03:10:05 hmm Dec 10 03:12:00 http://www.computingplugs.com/index.php/SheevaPlug_Performance Dec 10 03:12:03 kill-a-watt Dec 10 03:13:34 after the sheevaplug fried the internal PSU i hooked up an external supply and measured consumption on the secondary (5V) side. idle with SD Card: 0.35A + connected ethernet: 0.4A Dec 10 03:15:43 I don't see why buy Sheeva… Guru is only $30 more for much better… Dec 10 03:16:48 I'm not saying du Dec 10 03:16:51 do Dec 10 03:17:21 It's just identical hardware pretty much - with different peripherals, so power consumption figures are going to be near-identical Dec 10 03:18:14 right Dec 10 03:18:41 wonder if I can power the HD on/off from the system Dec 10 03:23:40 hdparm Dec 10 03:28:14 hdparm only worked with /dev/hdX Dec 10 03:28:18 which are obsolete with SATA Dec 10 03:35:53 it works with sata for me Dec 10 03:35:58 and with usb, sometimes Dec 10 04:16:44 anyone know if the n900 works on the virgin mobile in the us? Dec 10 04:19:46 comawhite, it doesn't, Virgin Mobile USA is owned by Sprint and operates on their CDMA-based network Dec 10 04:20:19 fuck!!!!!! Dec 10 04:20:22 T-Mobile is your best bet for compatibility in the US Dec 10 04:20:56 they want $99.99 for unlimited everything Dec 10 04:21:08 SimpleMobile wants $60 unlimited everything Dec 10 04:21:59 I hope the next version after the N900 it supports a lot more providers Dec 10 04:23:48 I need to see if I can get $250 to buy this N900 Dec 10 04:24:47 I just really want it for the internet and applications, I have no one to call Dec 10 04:25:28 ooo Germany $0.02 a minute Dec 10 04:43:49 hello Dec 10 04:44:01 anyone around? :) Dec 10 04:49:50 sorta Dec 10 04:54:13 if I get my n900, can I do the development without the sdk or do I have to have the sdk? Because I heard both ways Dec 10 04:55:38 comawhite: you can work on the device itself (through a shell) Dec 10 04:55:56 or with the SDK you can run a sorta virtual n900 on your linux or windows pc Dec 10 04:56:09 comawhite: be aware that the preinstalled OS, Maemo, is dead Dec 10 04:56:28 ah you already consider it dead now luke-jr ? Dec 10 04:56:36 it's been dead for a while Dec 10 04:57:23 what you mean? Dec 10 04:57:35 comawhite: Nokia has decided to abandon the platform Dec 10 04:58:01 and if a company asks them about writing software for it, Nokia tells them not to bother Dec 10 04:58:26 that is official? or your interpretation? :) Dec 10 04:58:35 Gh0sty: it's happened Dec 10 04:58:37 well, to be more clear, maemo has reached end of life as they move onto meego, which will contain parts of maemo Dec 10 04:58:54 if someone asks nokia about writing apps for maemo, they'll be told to write qt apps, which should work on maemo and meego Dec 10 04:58:55 ieatlint: and won't support N900 really Dec 10 04:59:09 correct, there will never be a supported meego release for the n900 Dec 10 04:59:34 if you guys tell it that way i'm kinda sorry i bought the device in the end :( Dec 10 04:59:39 and with pedantic exceptions, no, you cannot develop for maemo on the phone itself -- the phone does not include the sdk Dec 10 04:59:41 i love the openness of it Dec 10 04:59:46 or any toolchain in which to build apps Dec 10 04:59:54 but now we're stuck in the twilight zone Dec 10 05:00:08 (exceptions being things like perl, or python based applications, which require no build toolchain) Dec 10 05:00:17 Gh0sty: what openness? Dec 10 05:00:43 Maemo is 'open' like Windows/Mac are 'open' Dec 10 05:01:03 heh, hardly... there are large parts of maemo that is open Dec 10 05:01:08 and several parts that aren't Dec 10 05:01:11 less than 50% Dec 10 05:01:25 dunno about that, but i don't have any specific figures to quote Dec 10 05:01:30 and there are crucial parts that are closed Dec 10 05:03:02 anyway, the community isn't dead, the phone is functional, and if you want to do development for meego handsets in the future, it's the best device to have right now Dec 10 05:03:53 the platform is dead. Dec 10 05:04:07 without a platform, there's nothing to run apps on Dec 10 05:04:10 actually funny ... DocScrutinizer and you were I tought mostly on the same line in the past Dec 10 05:04:32 now DocScrutinizer is still preaching the maemo platform and you are completely calling it dead Dec 10 05:04:51 still preaching it how? Dec 10 05:05:08 it can't go anywhere without Nokia because it's closed Dec 10 05:05:14 there's no reason you won't be able to continue to run applications on the n900 including new applications; things will just go through different channels and methods Dec 10 05:05:26 it's going to be harder, for sure Dec 10 05:05:31 merlincorey: you can't run apps without a platform. Dec 10 05:05:34 but it's not like you have a bum device if you have an n900 Dec 10 05:06:01 * luke-jr ponders Dec 10 05:06:04 luke-jr: you're being melodramatic :P Dec 10 05:06:11 I suppose if you forego 3D, you can still use N900 without Nokia Dec 10 05:06:15 so not as bad as N8x0 :p Dec 10 05:06:30 the phone has been out over a year... it's pretty standard for support to wane after a year Dec 10 05:06:46 ieatlint: N900 isn't supposed to be a phone ;) Dec 10 05:06:48 but what makes maemo great is not patches from nokia to the base system, but the community and its applications Dec 10 05:07:10 you're arguing an extremely pedantic point there :P Dec 10 05:07:23 it's pretty standard to cease using any OS once there's no maintenance Dec 10 05:07:38 otherwise you're open to known exploits Dec 10 05:08:18 isnt there a chance they would be willing to open up more? :/ Dec 10 05:08:31 are you trying to argue that people shouldn't use maemo because security holes could potentially crop up at some unknown point? Dec 10 05:08:39 comawhite: if you can get N900 for $250, it might still be worth it Dec 10 05:08:45 Gh0sty: there's been rumour, but nothing more... Dec 10 05:09:01 ieatlint: I'd be surprised if there aren't already known holes unpatched in Maemo Dec 10 05:09:05 Gh0sty: no Dec 10 05:09:14 perhaps we could organise ourselves with a sortof official request? Dec 10 05:09:24 Gh0sty: what do they care? they already have our money Dec 10 05:09:27 or your money Dec 10 05:09:39 not yours? :p Dec 10 05:09:41 Gh0sty: anyhow, it isn't Nokia you need to pester on N900 Dec 10 05:09:42 luke-jr: well, i can't say i track it that well, but i personally am not aware of any remote exploits on the phone Dec 10 05:09:44 no, I didn't buy N900 Dec 10 05:09:59 ah you still have an 8x ? Dec 10 05:10:01 also, it looks like the n900 will support meego in some way shape or form Dec 10 05:10:02 Gh0sty: AFAIK, the biggest remaining problem for N900 is ImgTec's SGX Dec 10 05:10:11 Gh0sty: yes Dec 10 05:10:20 Nokia *does* have my money for N810 :/ Dec 10 05:10:28 but N900 made up for it i guess Dec 10 05:10:29 luke-jr: the graphics chip or what is that? Dec 10 05:10:36 Gh0sty: yes, graphics Dec 10 05:10:49 merlincorey: not *really* Dec 10 05:10:50 why because the hardware isnt capable? Dec 10 05:10:52 yeah, well, nokia's hands are tied on the graphics chip i bet Dec 10 05:10:57 Gh0sty: ? Dec 10 05:11:03 or because of the manufacturer wants it closed? Dec 10 05:11:07 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Dec 10 05:11:08 ieatlint: hence why I said he needs to bug ImgTec :p Dec 10 05:11:18 no way is the manufacturer going to let them open up their driver Dec 10 05:11:18 Gh0sty: what's the question? Dec 10 05:11:41 even openmoko never had an open source graphics accelerated driver Dec 10 05:11:50 the problem is the graphics you say Dec 10 05:12:02 but is the problem that the graphics driver is not open Dec 10 05:12:04 ieatlint: I think it does, as of very recently. Dec 10 05:12:16 or that the grahics is not capable of rendering whatever they want for meego? Dec 10 05:12:24 Gh0sty: it's not open Dec 10 05:12:27 haha, really? Dec 10 05:12:37 ieatlint: I recall reading something like that Dec 10 05:12:43 that's pretty funny Dec 10 05:13:04 tbh, I haven't had much time lately to mess w/ it Dec 10 05:13:11 swamped w/ paying work Dec 10 05:13:12 i remember raster gettings the docs for it under nda, and insisting that it was such a crappy chip it wouldn't be worth him trying to do anything Dec 10 05:13:12 ok but the hardware is capable of doing 3D if the software was there? Dec 10 05:13:13 ☹ Dec 10 05:13:28 Gh0sty: obviously, Maemo uses it for 3D Dec 10 05:13:34 Gh0sty: yes, the phone can do some 3d rendering... Dec 10 05:13:49 2d acceleration is just as important though Dec 10 05:13:53 more important, really Dec 10 05:14:18 * luke-jr wonders if omapfb accelerates N900 Dec 10 05:15:55 comawhite: so what exactly do you need a handheld for? Dec 10 05:18:40 well so I can land a better job since a lot more jobs require maemo knowledge, etc Dec 10 05:18:51 but apparently I can get the $250 to buy one Dec 10 05:18:54 :( Dec 10 05:19:00 can't* Dec 10 05:19:05 too bad I paid $500 for it :( Dec 10 05:19:25 but the device is pretty sturdy and nevertheless I kinda like it ... :) Dec 10 05:19:44 i wish i could get my hands on one Dec 10 05:20:31 just buy it Dec 10 05:20:33 comawhite: never heard of any job asking for Maemo experience… Dec 10 05:20:41 Qt jobs Dec 10 05:20:47 Qt, yes. Maemo, no. Dec 10 05:20:50 Maemo isn't even Qt-based. Dec 10 05:20:57 $250 is pretty cheap for what you get Dec 10 05:21:04 I know it's based on crappy gtk Dec 10 05:21:14 $250 is a pretty good deal for N900. Dec 10 05:21:18 i know Dec 10 05:21:26 and anyway despite the software perhaps being eol ... afterwards I still see me using the device as a pocket PC Dec 10 05:21:29 but I can't get the $250 for it Dec 10 05:21:33 … Dec 10 05:21:36 $250 isn't much Dec 10 05:21:46 well im broke Dec 10 05:22:03 so work an extra hour each day for a week or maybe 2? Dec 10 05:22:04 get from behind your screen and go to your local mall and earn em! Dec 10 05:22:30 luke-jr: you're assuming he has a job :p Dec 10 05:22:31 luke-jr, if i had a job Dec 10 05:22:41 Gh0sty: that was implied by lookign for a *better* job Dec 10 05:22:49 trying to land one right now, waiting for them to call me Dec 10 05:23:01 comawhite: just write Qt on your desktop then Dec 10 05:23:14 except pretend your screen is tiny Dec 10 05:23:16 comawhite: if you want to play with it Dec 10 05:23:19 just install the SDK Dec 10 05:23:22 and play with it Dec 10 05:23:24 luke-jr, well, i could get a job if i want to work at mickies, by better job i mean a programming job Dec 10 05:23:57 comawhite: KDE doesn't pay well? Dec 10 05:23:57 and while you're at it write some docu around the SDK cause last time I tried to install it ... it felt messy Dec 10 05:23:59 * luke-jr ducks Dec 10 05:24:22 strange Dec 10 05:24:28 luke-jr, isn't commercial Dec 10 05:24:36 actually, while I'm utterly annoyed at the poor quality of KDE lately, I bet HR reps would see it as a good thing on a resume Dec 10 05:24:36 I always figured programmers got taken out on sight Dec 10 05:24:48 system engineering jobs like mine however tool longer to find one ... Dec 10 05:25:11 yeah a lot of MS engineers but I don't even want to get started at such a thing :p Dec 10 05:25:26 i have my app on kde, would love to make a maemo port Dec 10 05:25:32 even looking at win* makes the machine go crazy Dec 10 05:25:46 install the SDK then! Dec 10 05:25:52 comawhite: I hope you're not responsible for that Nepomuk or Akonadi crap >:P Dec 10 05:25:53 I am Dec 10 05:25:55 and you have a virtual n900 Dec 10 05:25:56 i have* Dec 10 05:26:06 luke-jr, naw I never touched it :P Dec 10 05:26:10 comawhite: how are your programming skills? Dec 10 05:26:15 quite good Dec 10 05:26:21 look if you wanna earn some money Dec 10 05:26:21 Gh0sty: /whois comawhite Dec 10 05:26:32 do freelance? Dec 10 05:26:36 Gh0sty: he's a KDE dev, plenty of good experience there Dec 10 05:26:43 lol :P Dec 10 05:26:53 how the hell can he be without job then :x Dec 10 05:27:03 and he hasn't even touched the parts of KDE that suck terribly Dec 10 05:27:10 lack of commercial experience Dec 10 05:27:23 and lack of uni degree Dec 10 05:27:28 comawhite: do they seriously ask you whether you get paid for work on your resume? Dec 10 05:27:28 I'd like an app for a long time ... Dec 10 05:27:46 luke-jr, eh? Dec 10 05:27:58 comawhite: just list all your real experience on your resume, commercial or not Dec 10 05:28:06 and I'm even prepared as to pay lets say ... 30 eur to get it? :) Dec 10 05:28:11 Gh0sty: LOL Dec 10 05:28:22 30 eur is like an hour Dec 10 05:28:23 I know its not much ... :/ Dec 10 05:28:40 but since he says he does not even have the money for an n900 ... Dec 10 05:28:45 all bits can help? :p Dec 10 05:28:49 30 eur won't get a N900 :p Dec 10 05:28:54 projects, commercial work, languages (speaking), and references Dec 10 05:29:03 a dollar a day gets you a millionaire Dec 10 05:29:16 in a million days Dec 10 05:29:35 what I am looking for however is not that easy Dec 10 05:29:37 when you're 2737 years old, if you never spend it Dec 10 05:29:42 or nobody tought of it yet Dec 10 05:29:43 not sure Dec 10 05:29:53 on my symbian I had an application Dec 10 05:30:13 where you could "save" cell towers Dec 10 05:30:27 then you could define action when you entered that cell Dec 10 05:30:45 Gh0sty: was going to say… pretty sure Maemo is too closed for that. Dec 10 05:30:47 for example: I saved the couple of cells near our cinema in town Dec 10 05:30:52 but I think that might just barely be within the realm of possibility Dec 10 05:31:09 when I came near the cinema my cellphone went from general to meeting profile Dec 10 05:31:41 this combined with the current functionality of alarmed ... Dec 10 05:31:49 actually, if cellmo was a little more open, we might be able to do vague triangulation from cell towers :/ Dec 10 05:31:56 would make hell of an application: Dec 10 05:32:02 erk Dec 10 05:32:02 I would like to do things like: Dec 10 05:32:05 Gh0sty: just use GPS Dec 10 05:32:21 cuz I don't think you can find the cell tower id without GPS :/ Dec 10 05:32:33 when I am currently at home and the time is 22h shut down the cell modem Dec 10 05:32:55 when I am however not yet home leave it on until I get home ... Dec 10 05:33:13 luke-jr: my E65 does not have gps Dec 10 05:33:32 it just saved the cell tower ID I guess it gets over the cell network? Dec 10 05:33:36 Gh0sty: btw, if you leave GPS enabled on N900 it will lock up pretty often ;) Dec 10 05:33:50 N900 doesn't tell you the cell tower ID unless you turn GPS on Dec 10 05:33:53 yes thats why anyway gps is not what I ask :P Dec 10 05:34:07 how is that possible? :/ Dec 10 05:34:14 Gh0sty: N900 has 2 CPUs Dec 10 05:34:18 an E65 without gps can do more then an n900? :p Dec 10 05:34:37 one of them controls the phone/GPS stuff Dec 10 05:34:38 your cell radio needs to know which cell it's connected? Dec 10 05:34:40 it's 100% closed Dec 10 05:34:46 or there comes in the ugly closed parts? Dec 10 05:34:57 not only closed, but also DRM Dec 10 05:35:31 :/ Dec 10 05:35:49 doesnt the n900 already have apps which can give cell tower information ... Dec 10 05:35:55 (not that I checked them) Dec 10 05:35:56 sure, so long as the GPS is on Dec 10 05:36:03 but then you might as well use the GPS Dec 10 05:36:23 which drains the battery, and crashes the graphics driver Dec 10 05:36:37 luke-jr: so negative ... :P Dec 10 05:36:48 just saying the reality of it :P Dec 10 05:37:06 yeah ok but a bit more constructive way would be appreciated Dec 10 05:37:16 * luke-jr wonders if you can get teh cell info by just turning it on for a split-second Dec 10 05:37:19 you made your point ok maemo is dead and so on but ... :p Dec 10 05:37:26 and just turn it on-then-off every 5 min Dec 10 05:37:32 thats what I was also thinking ... Dec 10 05:38:18 despite the fact its not that good if a split second would give this information Dec 10 05:38:23 and a 5 min interval is ok Dec 10 05:38:32 yes, you can Dec 10 05:38:32 its not like it's critical on the minute Dec 10 05:38:56 but anyway here comes my problem ... Dec 10 05:39:01 I am a systems guy :p Dec 10 05:39:05 not a developer :) Dec 10 05:39:18 so unless somebody is willing to write something it will never exist :P Dec 10 05:39:37 how about a small bin that just prints the cell info? Dec 10 05:39:51 then you can have a shell script do the compare, and make that a cronjob Dec 10 05:40:08 yeah something like that Dec 10 05:40:21 ofcourse the problem is I need to first capture which towers are there ... Dec 10 05:40:37 so I need to be able to put that bin in listening mode Dec 10 05:40:53 and just write out all the cells it receives at that point in a txt file or something ... Dec 10 05:41:30 comawhite: interested? :P Dec 10 05:42:11 ? Dec 10 05:45:24 comawhite: read the above ideas for an application :P Dec 10 05:45:56 gps? Dec 10 05:45:58 # ./whatcelltower Dec 10 05:46:00 0907000c0136001aabe1179a0905008c Dec 10 05:46:20 side effect: if you actually have the GPS active, this kills it Dec 10 05:46:35 I don't use the gps actually Dec 10 05:46:58 the few times I actually used was when I was at Boston ... while I am from europe :P Dec 10 05:47:05 just to find my way around there :) Dec 10 05:47:13 in my car I have better stuff Dec 10 05:47:25 and walking I never need gps normally Dec 10 05:49:50 and I am actually surprised ... Dec 10 05:50:00 nowadays they reverse engineer cpu's Dec 10 05:50:06 and all kinds of hard and software Dec 10 05:50:23 nobody who even tried to hack the whole phone part of the n900 Dec 10 05:50:49 the -open- source but than in the black hat version :P Dec 10 05:53:47 Gh0sty: http://luke.dashjr.org/tmp/code/whatcelltower ;) Dec 10 05:54:06 Gh0sty: I had to reverse engineer the GPS, btw; it was closed on all levels Dec 10 05:54:09 night Dec 10 05:54:38 :P Dec 10 05:54:41 what? :p Dec 10 05:54:53 you dont have the device ... :p Dec 10 05:54:58 how can you ... Dec 10 05:55:37 the firmware is accidently not free for all? :P Dec 10 06:15:02 luke-jr: when I execute it ... it comes asking to make a connection first interactively (since I don't allow gprs or wifi connections on the fly ...) Dec 10 07:17:14 g'moaning Dec 10 07:44:28 luke-jr: for doing any 'triangulation' from celltowers, the celmo needs to be a lot more open than it is. See my elaborations on this in http://lists.openmoko.org/pipermail/openmoko-kernel/2008-June/002987.html Dec 10 07:51:25 luke-jr: btw I think you'll burn in FOSS hell for linking to blobs here (whatcelltower) Dec 10 08:38:28 is erminig dev on this channel? Dec 10 08:38:52 it crashes when editing account settings Dec 10 08:51:04 moorning Dec 10 08:51:25 lo RST38h Dec 10 09:09:03 morning maemo Dec 10 09:12:55 o/ Dec 10 09:13:02 aloha Dec 10 09:15:10 pupnik_, what's new in AssangeCountry? Dec 10 09:15:30 http://www.ding.net/wikileaks/234867.txt Dec 10 09:16:02 pretty rich Dec 10 09:16:12 did I just get text-rickroll'd? Dec 10 09:17:26 Hah Dec 10 09:17:40 er, pretty Rick, rather Dec 10 09:17:45 :) Dec 10 09:19:32 What's the 'best' python qt binding for the n900? It seems that many application use the python-qt4-* libs, on the other side, the pyside libs seem to be the nokia supported libraries. Dec 10 09:22:13 I use PySide Dec 10 09:22:21 There was a new release recently which is quite cool. Dec 10 09:22:35 They're pretty much functionally identical. Dec 10 09:24:54 MohammadAG, ping Dec 10 09:25:28 alterego: Ok, so technically there's not a big difference, except the license. Dec 10 09:25:28 alterego, you have experience with MAFW, don't you? Dec 10 09:25:38 crashanddie: some what yeah Dec 10 09:25:40 Wassup? Dec 10 09:25:52 alterego, ever used it from a C++ Qt App? Dec 10 09:25:59 sezuan: pretty much, the license was the reason Nokia pushed PySide Dec 10 09:26:12 crashanddie: no, but then Qt DBus is quite cool :) Dec 10 09:26:28 Qt Dbus? Dec 10 09:26:45 alterego, it's not dbus only Dec 10 09:26:58 What else would you use? Dec 10 09:27:07 I've only ever used the dbus api .. Dec 10 09:27:25 And that's what MAFW is, it's a DBus API for media playback .. Dec 10 09:27:46 Oh wait, does it have a native C API aswell? Dec 10 09:28:33 morning chaps Dec 10 09:29:05 discussing the new Media Player? Dec 10 09:29:15 yeah, see libmafw Dec 10 09:30:48 GObject in a Qt app? Dec 10 09:31:17 There are a few resources on using GObject based APIs in Qt Dec 10 09:31:21 I've not done it personally. Dec 10 09:31:26 ok Dec 10 09:31:37 I dunno, I'd try and use the DBus API personally :) Dec 10 09:31:49 Qt DBus is nice and easy Dec 10 09:32:02 exactimally. Dec 10 09:33:04 alterego, even for a replacement media player? Dec 10 09:33:14 Sure Dec 10 09:33:17 Why not? Dec 10 09:33:37 MohammadAG, doesn't really matter, as long as the same operations are supported through either interface Dec 10 09:34:16 Are there docs on the DBus interface? Dec 10 09:34:21 and whether we go through a GObject translation layer or DBus, well... Dec 10 09:34:33 There's only a mention in here: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29 Dec 10 09:40:25 MohammadAG: what was the git repo again? Dec 10 09:41:36 * lardman wonders who wrote Nautilus and why they neglected to add an "Open Terminal here" menu item Dec 10 09:42:09 Integrating Qt with gobject is quite easy, the hardest part is getting your GMainLoop into Qt, luckily Qt has a nice way of doing that, though I don't know off hand what it is. I'm sure there are countless examples. Dec 10 09:42:27 lardman, http?//gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer Dec 10 09:42:35 thanks Dec 10 09:42:36 ffs maemo Dec 10 09:42:47 lardman, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer Dec 10 09:44:25 Well, columbus builds in scratchbox fine Dec 10 09:44:32 fatal: http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/info/refs not found: did you run git update-server-info on the server? Dec 10 09:44:46 * lardman has not used git before, so could be my fault Dec 10 09:45:03 Needed a bit of tweaking though :/ Dec 10 09:45:25 lardman: git clone http://git.gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer.git Dec 10 09:45:40 thanks X-Fade Dec 10 09:46:15 ~lart xinerama not passing focus across screens correctly Dec 10 09:46:16 * infobot executes killall -HUP xinerama not passing focus across screens correctly Dec 10 09:47:03 had to change to git:// Dec 10 09:47:13 alterego, cat * | wc -l Dec 10 09:47:13 :p Dec 10 09:47:24 lardman: Well there are 2 options, as gitorious shows you at the top ;) Dec 10 09:47:39 yours didn't work for some reason Dec 10 09:47:45 but thanks anyway ;) Dec 10 09:48:02 lardman: Don't blame me, I just pasted what gitorious said :) Dec 10 09:48:08 lol Dec 10 09:48:19 MohammadAG: find . -name '*.cpp' -or -name '*.h' | xargs wc -l Dec 10 09:48:26 MohammadAG: 8977 currently Dec 10 09:48:26 what do they say about trusing things you read on the internet...? :) Dec 10 09:54:47 alterego, why xargs? Dec 10 09:55:10 because of command line argument maximum length limitations. Dec 10 09:55:30 MohammadAG: do we want to share the gst pipeline between music and videos? Dec 10 09:56:35 lardman, won't that cause playing videos to forget song timeline? Dec 10 10:00:46 Mohammad, lardman, heya Dec 10 10:00:47 yeah, but that's what happens atm Dec 10 10:00:51 hi RST38h Dec 10 10:01:11 MohammadAG: I'm also not sure if we can have two playbin2 objects at one time Dec 10 10:01:44 Folks, are you rewriting the Media Player??? Dec 10 10:01:51 lardman, then make them use the same pipe Dec 10 10:01:52 yeah Dec 10 10:02:02 Could you please fix the UI while doing that? Dec 10 10:02:07 well I'll see if I can create two of them Dec 10 10:02:16 RST38h, already done Dec 10 10:02:19 gst docs really are crap Dec 10 10:02:27 Mohammad: Screenshots!!! Dec 10 10:02:40 alterego: cmd line maximum? I always thought piping by | would redirect stdin, not cmdline parameter Dec 10 10:03:06 RST38h, see tinypic links in yesterdays logs :P Dec 10 10:03:16 xargs turns stdin into arguments for a command. Dec 10 10:03:28 wc -l doesn't accepts filenames on stdin afair Dec 10 10:04:09 alterego: that's a completely different explanation, and I don't get it yet Dec 10 10:04:53 a'ok Dec 10 10:05:17 * MohammadAG wonders how to process QModalIndex-es Dec 10 10:06:45 cat foo | wc -l; : count the lines in foo. cat foo | xargs wc -l; : count the lines of every file listed in foo by full pathname Dec 10 10:11:24 EXAMPLES Dec 10 10:11:26 find /tmp -name core -type f -print | xargs /bin/rm -f Dec 10 10:11:27 Find files named core in or below the directory /tmp and delete them. Note that this will work incorrectly if there are any filenames containing newlines or spaces. Dec 10 10:11:29 man wc: Dec 10 10:11:30 Print newline, word, and byte counts for each FILE, and a total line if more than one FILE is specified. With no FILE, or when FILE is -, read standard input. Dec 10 10:13:17 if you don't type 'wc' every day you're probably not a *nix guy Dec 10 10:13:48 alterego: so your cmdline will count the number of sourcecode lines in all *.cpp, while without xarg it counts the number of *.cpp files Dec 10 10:14:00 DocScrutinizer: exactly Dec 10 10:18:56 * MohammadAG is thinking of rewriting the FMTX dialog Dec 10 10:19:49 DocScrutinizer, find /tmp -name core -type f -exec /bin/rm -f {} Dec 10 10:20:03 a lot better than using xargs. Dec 10 10:21:25 hey Dec 10 10:21:32 does anyone here remember my last exercise in shell scripts? Dec 10 10:21:38 nope Dec 10 10:21:45 the case of the always exiting exit? Dec 10 10:21:56 nope Dec 10 10:22:01 http://code.google.com/p/maczfs/issues/detail?id=56 Dec 10 10:22:11 it was nov 25 Dec 10 10:22:12 anyway Dec 10 10:22:23 last night we encountered the case of the always running service Dec 10 10:22:32 the code does something like: Dec 10 10:22:56 SHOULD_START=`gconf-tool-2 ...blah...get...setting...value` Dec 10 10:23:18 if [ $SHOULD_START=="true" ]; then Dec 10 10:23:28 run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon Dec 10 10:23:28 fi Dec 10 10:23:55 technically there's a way to stop the service... in Settings you can uncheck the service thing Dec 10 10:23:59 so gconf-tool-2 outputs the string "true" ? Dec 10 10:24:10 typically it outputs the string 'false' :) Dec 10 10:24:13 and it stops... for the session. but it's back Dec 10 10:24:22 typically? Dec 10 10:24:22 when you reboot Dec 10 10:24:32 well, i don't like the daemon so i uncheck the thing in settings Dec 10 10:24:34 also, don't use capital variable names -- they collide with environment variables Dec 10 10:25:06 but yeah, in theory if someone actually wanted the superdaemon to start the value would be true Dec 10 10:25:28 sp3000: should we tell $HAPPY_CODER not to use caps? Dec 10 10:25:28 if [ "$should_start" == "true" ]; then Dec 10 10:25:33 use quotes :) Dec 10 10:25:52 crashanddie: but .. you're getting ahead of things Dec 10 10:26:02 the question to ask is "why does it always start" Dec 10 10:26:08 not "how would i write this code" :) Dec 10 10:26:15 s/ask/answer/ Dec 10 10:27:04 (bug w/ suggested fixes is already filed fwiw, as was the case in the zfs bug..) Dec 10 10:27:11 s/zfs/mac-zfs/ Dec 10 10:27:12 timeless_mbp meant: (bug w/ suggested fixes is already filed fwiw, as was the case in the mac-zfs bug..) Dec 10 10:28:24 if [ "$should_start" == "true" ]; then run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon; else echo "Value of \$should_start is '$should_start'"; fi Dec 10 10:28:49 yeah yeah, but you're fixing the code w/o explaining to $HAPPY_CODER what was wrong w/ the old code Dec 10 10:28:50 or just print $should_start after gathering the idea Dec 10 10:28:59 debugging? Dec 10 10:29:01 HAPPY_CODER=clueless Dec 10 10:29:12 this is an Xsession.post script Dec 10 10:29:13 you ask "why does it always start"? Without checking the value of your test Dec 10 10:29:44 oh, it always starts, and a command line test yields: Dec 10 10:29:49 echo $SHOULD_START Dec 10 10:29:49 false Dec 10 10:30:08 come now, documenting code is just needless additional dev time Dec 10 10:30:13 then it is being tested somewhere else Dec 10 10:30:18 nope Dec 10 10:30:20 crashanddie: "==" is numerical equality you want "=" Dec 10 10:30:22 For knowledge brings sadness and a lot of knowledge brings a lot of sadness. Moo. Dec 10 10:30:22 s/tested/started/ Dec 10 10:30:23 crashanddie meant: then it is being started somewhere else Dec 10 10:30:28 again, you've written code which isn't broken, but you haven't explained what was wrong w/ the original code Dec 10 10:30:33 alterego, piss off, = is assignment Dec 10 10:30:41 crashanddie: not in shell [] Dec 10 10:30:43 No in test it isn't .. Dec 10 10:30:57 s/No/Not/ Dec 10 10:30:57 alterego meant: Not in test it isn't .. Dec 10 10:30:59 w/o explaining to $HAPPY_CODER what was wrong w/ the original code, $HAPPY_CODER is likely to repeat the mistake in the future Dec 10 10:31:14 * alterego pisses off. Dec 10 10:31:26 alterego: so have you identified the mistake $HAPPY_CODER made? Dec 10 10:31:36 timeless_mbp, there isn't anything wrong, given the current parameters, it's somewhere else Dec 10 10:31:53 crashanddie: nope, replacing my code with your code would fix the bug Dec 10 10:32:07 s/my code/code pasted above as written by $HAPPY_CODER/ Dec 10 10:32:07 eh? Really? Dec 10 10:32:08 timeless_mbp meant: crashanddie: nope, replacing code pasted above as written by $HAPPY_CODER with your code would fix the bug Dec 10 10:32:16 really Dec 10 10:32:42 remember, this is adventures in shell coding gotchas 102 Dec 10 10:32:47 (101 was already taken) Dec 10 10:33:13 timeless_mpb, don't even know what you're talking about :P Dec 10 10:33:47 timeless_mbp, sorry, don't see it. Dec 10 10:33:58 last night we encountered the case of the always running service Dec 10 10:33:58 the code does something like: Dec 10 10:33:58 SHOULD_START=`gconf-tool-2 ...blah...get...setting...value` Dec 10 10:33:58 if [ $SHOULD_START=="true" ]; then Dec 10 10:33:59 run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon Dec 10 10:33:59 fi Dec 10 10:34:25 using a normal shell: Dec 10 10:34:29 SHOULD_START=`gconf-tool-2 ...blah...get...setting...value` Dec 10 10:34:33 echo $SHOULD_START Dec 10 10:34:35 false Dec 10 10:34:53 timeless_mbp, bash vs sh? Dec 10 10:35:00 crashanddie: n900 default shell Dec 10 10:35:07 no idea what that is Dec 10 10:35:11 but any shell will do this Dec 10 10:35:17 the code is wrong everywhere :) Dec 10 10:35:26 so, we know that the user is asking for superdaemon not to start, and the code above is starting it anyway Dec 10 10:35:46 but this fixes it: if [ "$should_start" == "true" ]; then run-standalone.sh /usr/bin/superdaemon; else echo "Value of \$should_start is '$should_start'"; fi Dec 10 10:35:46 ? Dec 10 10:35:49 yes Dec 10 10:36:01 the quotes? Dec 10 10:36:05 nope Dec 10 10:36:22 those are good for other reasons, but not the actual bug Dec 10 10:36:37 then just tell us, you obviously have the answer Dec 10 10:36:47 it's the spaces around the equals Dec 10 10:37:13 heh Dec 10 10:37:18 without them, the test is not an equality, it's "is the thing inside [] not empty " Dec 10 10:37:22 it parses it as a full string Dec 10 10:37:26 ayup Dec 10 10:37:27 the parser deliminates by white space Dec 10 10:37:37 poor $HAPPY_CODER Dec 10 10:37:44 to be fair, i looked at it and didn't get it Dec 10 10:37:54 i had to pass my n900 over the table at dinner for help Dec 10 10:37:55 yeah, debugging shell code is a bitch Dec 10 10:38:12 which is why you really need good practices to start writing it Dec 10 10:38:16 and it wasn't spotted immediately, sp3000 almost missed it Dec 10 10:38:22 Heh Dec 10 10:38:24 but he got it... Dec 10 10:38:37 I wrote a 2000-line script, would never have been able to get it working was it not for a few simple rules Dec 10 10:38:40 and then superdaemon at future boots didn't start, and i was super happy Dec 10 10:39:01 remember: users are happiest when things don't start :) Dec 10 10:39:15 that's not what she said Dec 10 10:39:27 she's happy when you don't start an argument! Dec 10 10:39:40 and you're happy when she doesn't say you started an argument :) Dec 10 10:42:04 Cool, got columbus working in scratchbox now :) Dec 10 10:42:10 ? Dec 10 10:42:12 Well, "working" .. Dec 10 10:42:18 No GPS means no data :D Dec 10 10:42:19 "columbus"? Dec 10 10:42:21 we should be more than happy, I can tell stories of friends with android and iphones... with stuff we say WORKSFORME Dec 10 10:42:59 timeless_mbp: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/index.html Dec 10 10:43:15 * timeless_mbp is reading http://torrentfreak.com/acslaw-take-alleged-file-sharers-to-court-but-fail-on-a-grand-scale-101209/ Dec 10 10:43:40 chem|st, appstore? Dec 10 10:43:49 chem|st, games? media player? Dec 10 10:44:41 and now the N900 users are going: http://lh3.ggpht.com/_wkU0aCa0Pag/S7YcLYwLmmI/AAAAAAAAR-I/4-JaUrODImQ/fuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuuu_thumb%5B2%5D.jpg?imgmax=800 Dec 10 10:45:51 crashanddie: yeah like "fsck which of those skype apps does actualy work properly?" Dec 10 10:46:01 alterego: shiny Dec 10 10:46:09 fanks Dec 10 10:46:29 crashanddie: scrolling 10k fart apps in market doesnt help you find anything Dec 10 10:46:39 alterego: can i ask you to not use centering for Options, Tools, and Network Server? Dec 10 10:46:51 mixing centering and left align is bad Dec 10 10:47:09 I'm not mixing Dec 10 10:47:17 And M5 UI guidelines say centering. Dec 10 10:47:20 crashanddie: *I* know Dec 10 10:47:33 alterego: really? Dec 10 10:47:36 Oh, I guess I am with the toggles and such. Dec 10 10:47:37 open MfE options Dec 10 10:47:40 it uses left align Dec 10 10:47:49 thugh doesn't work with messybox' fsckdup ""find"" Dec 10 10:47:55 timeless_mbp: yes, M5 ui guidelines say pick selectors should be centered. Dec 10 10:48:11 alterego: hrm, tell that to the people who made M5? Dec 10 10:48:16 open Settings>Phone Dec 10 10:48:27 I'm not changing it :P Dec 10 10:48:30 the only things which are centered are buttons Dec 10 10:48:38 alterego: please change it Dec 10 10:48:48 and can you hit me w/ a url for this m5 guideline? Dec 10 10:49:23 Nope, and nope :P Dec 10 10:49:23 It was some PDF on the site, I'm a bit busy to dig it up :P Dec 10 10:49:23 Google it :D Dec 10 10:49:47 you do know that nokia and maemo are hard to google, right? ;-) Dec 10 10:49:58 I've never had problems. Dec 10 10:50:09 lrn2goog :P Dec 10 10:50:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Legacy_Maemo_5_Documentation/Desktop_Widget_UI_Guidelines says "This article is legacy documentation, and is superseded by Forum Nokia documentation." Dec 10 10:50:45 as i said, nokia is hard to google Dec 10 10:50:55 Heh Dec 10 10:51:12 * timeless_mbp wonders how nokia manages this Dec 10 10:51:20 fwiw, qt is hard to google too Dec 10 10:51:29 remember QDateTime from yesterday? Dec 10 10:51:36 Qt3 docs come up higher than Qt-current docs Dec 10 10:51:54 (you can see evidence of that in the log, someone pointed to the Qt3 doc *after* I had linked to the current doc) Dec 10 10:52:13 Yeah, I get that a lot. Dec 10 10:52:21 Then I just replace qt3 with latest :) Dec 10 10:52:28 * timeless_mbp grumbles Dec 10 10:52:32 WTF is with FN? Dec 10 10:52:48 it doesn't *link* to PDFs Dec 10 10:52:52 it forces me to *Download* them Dec 10 10:52:59 so i can't use my safe Google Chrome PDF reader Dec 10 10:53:07 instead I have to use my unsafe default os pdf reader Dec 10 10:53:12 * timeless_mbp kicks FN for being stupid Dec 10 10:54:10 * ptl gets away from timeless_mbp... He doesn't want to get kicked too Dec 10 10:54:27 ptl: i'm a nice guy Dec 10 10:54:41 if people are responsive to feedback, i politely give feedback Dec 10 10:54:48 if people act like brick walls, i kick them Dec 10 10:54:55 but you kick people when they are being stupid :P Dec 10 10:54:59 but trust me, they deserve to be kicked and it hurts me more than them Dec 10 10:55:04 lol Dec 10 10:55:36 ptl: you'd rather i kicked people when they were smart? :) Dec 10 10:56:00 alterego: 13.1.2 Implementation Dec 10 10:56:06 page 48 Dec 10 10:56:16 13.2 Aligning and theming complex button text Dec 10 10:56:17 The views and dialogues can have buttons with two text strings. This is particularly used in Pickers (the picker button), but it is used in normal buttons; for example, when an application-specific, custom picker-like UI is created. Dec 10 10:56:29 Figure 26: Complex button text with single line and two columns Dec 10 10:56:33 Figure 27: Complex button text with two lines Dec 10 10:56:33 There are two main cases for aligning, of which the single-line case is the most common: • Two text strings are in a single line on two "columns", both left aligned to the edge of its column • Two text strings are in two rows, both left aligned to its row Dec 10 10:57:03 http://www.forum.nokia.com/dp?uri=http%3A%2F%2Fsw.nokia.com%2Fid%2Fa3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7%2FHildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf Dec 10 10:57:19 http://sw.nokia.com/id/a3187f95-ad88-4233-b0ef-a182da3ec1c7/Hildon_2_2_Widget_UI_Specification_v1_0_en.pdf Dec 10 10:57:28 that url looks "better" Dec 10 10:58:01 oh cute, there's a full screen icon Dec 10 10:58:09 too bad it isn't used consistently by nokia apps Dec 10 10:58:58 alterego: so, since i've done your homework for you, would you please left align? thanks Dec 10 11:02:02 timeless_mbp: like I said, I'm not changing it. Dec 10 11:02:09 I like it how it is. Dec 10 11:02:17 alright, but don't hide behind the specs :) Dec 10 11:02:27 timeless_mbp: I could have sworn it said that :P Dec 10 11:02:34 good thing you didn't Dec 10 11:02:51 alterego: please remember i'm probably the only guy dumb enough to have actually read this crap Dec 10 11:02:58 but i read it before we shipped Dec 10 11:03:03 so it was >>1 year ago Dec 10 11:03:30 I read it, I just must have been mistaken. Dec 10 11:05:49 Well, I may change them. Dec 10 11:06:03 I'll look into it later when I can be bothered. If I think it looks okay I'll do it :P Dec 10 11:06:09 cool :) Dec 10 11:06:18 ptl: see, alterego's a reasonable guy Dec 10 11:06:24 It is a bit of hassle having to set each button to centre align ;) Dec 10 11:06:31 ... Dec 10 11:06:49 timeless_mbp: lol Dec 10 11:06:51 It'll reduce my code by 1 line per button Dec 10 11:07:08 Which is a shame, I'll have to implement something else to cover the deficit :P Dec 10 11:07:09 ptl: no kicking required... a bit of screaming and some dragging, but hey Dec 10 11:07:22 Anyhow, battery is about to die on laptop and I've done some good progress so I'll bbl. Dec 10 11:07:26 alterego: if you want help adding LoC, i'm sure i can find a way Dec 10 11:07:33 Heh Dec 10 11:07:35 have a good weekend and thanks for listening Dec 10 11:07:36 No doubt. Dec 10 11:07:40 ;) Dec 10 11:59:40 ~seen lardman Dec 10 11:59:49 lardman <~simon@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 1h 57m 30s ago, saying: 'gst docs really are crap'. Dec 10 12:01:08 missed his PM :/ Dec 10 12:03:49 heh, is this NOLO or (my guess) bootmenu which makes indicator LED explode in bright white on boot, only if cam door open and cam trigger pushed during boot? Dec 10 12:05:18 prolly preinit Dec 10 12:05:23 never seen that Dec 10 12:07:12 :nod: Dec 10 12:07:34 can you reproduce that? Dec 10 12:08:10 R&D mode, my LED never goes on at boot time Dec 10 12:10:00 Mine does it intermittently Dec 10 12:10:04 Sometimes it does Dec 10 12:10:36 Sometimes it feels like you are supposed to hold the power button until the LED reaches full brightness, or the device will not start Dec 10 12:14:16 RST38h: that's not what I'm talking about Dec 10 12:16:18 RST38h: the effect I see is a *very* bright white LED *after* the usual ramp-up of brightness plus a few seconds darkness, late on NOLO screen Dec 10 12:19:02 NOLO is only there for less than 1s before a kernel is loaded Dec 10 12:19:26 by kernel, I mean uboot/preinit Dec 10 12:28:05 one more or less unrelated question, while creating a deb package, how do i create a link in one folder to a file in another? Dec 10 12:28:56 better done in postinst with ln -s Dec 10 12:30:22 oh Dec 10 12:30:32 that would make sense Dec 10 12:30:33 ty Dec 10 12:44:55 lardman, missed your PM Dec 10 12:45:04 np Dec 10 12:45:24 I've added a QWidget which will handle audio and video playback Dec 10 12:45:43 currently using the same pipeline, but we could choose to retain the state of each type of file Dec 10 12:46:01 lardman, got a gitorious account? Dec 10 12:46:05 nope Dec 10 12:46:07 for commit access Dec 10 12:46:30 I'll have to apply for one Dec 10 12:46:56 signing up there is really quick Dec 10 12:47:11 code's not finished yet anyway, I was wondering how the player should handle playlists - whether to keep an internal list so that we might be able to try things like gapless playback Dec 10 12:47:47 lardman: What are you coding now? Dec 10 12:47:54 media player Dec 10 12:48:07 To me, gapless playback is an _essential_ feature. Dec 10 12:48:11 http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer Dec 10 12:48:18 derf: only because what I had meant to do, learning about shiboken, looked harder Dec 10 12:48:44 That only shows that you don't know anything about media players :). Dec 10 12:48:51 lol Dec 10 12:48:59 well I was only going to do the gst bit Dec 10 12:49:18 I'm not even sure if gst can handle gapless playback for that matter Dec 10 12:49:23 On my desktop, I am still literally using the original xmms. Dec 10 12:49:58 Because everything else I've ever used has sucked in comparison. Dec 10 12:50:04 And xmms is pretty bad. Dec 10 12:50:24 hmm, apparently it should work Dec 10 12:50:44 what about crossfade? Dec 10 12:51:52 I have no use for crossfade, personally. Dec 10 12:52:17 * lardman has a look Dec 10 12:53:33 hmm, apparently playbi2 supports gapless but not crossfade Dec 10 12:53:38 playbin2 even Dec 10 12:54:10 hi.. is there a howto install Canola on N900 on the web? Dec 10 12:54:28 realistically I guess the playback widget can always ask the outside world for the uri of the next file once it receives the about-to-finish signal Dec 10 13:00:30 anyone tested whether this has been fixed: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6694 Dec 10 13:00:32 Bug 6694: libplayback missing -doc package Dec 10 13:00:38 as it will affect a new media player Dec 10 13:01:00 hmm, well the description is not as important as the effect they were trying to overcome Dec 10 13:21:34 lardman: gapless is essential. And full editing capabilities on playlists are essential (I.E. append, cut, insert, stop-after, with optional fade-out) Dec 10 13:22:10 lardman, we're still using mafw right? Dec 10 13:22:11 gapless is fine as that's fully supported by playbin2 Dec 10 13:22:27 MohammadAG: yep, I'm just looking at the gstreamer stuff Dec 10 13:22:56 My personal favourite would be playback of iso9660.bin img with cuesheet Dec 10 13:22:59 docscrutinizer: I don;t know whether mafw will support adding attributes to the songs in the playlist Dec 10 13:22:59 I see, thought mafw also provided those (never read the docs fully) Dec 10 13:24:07 docscrutinizer: well that could theoretically be achieved, I'm not volunteering though Dec 10 13:24:29 lardman: it's a Nokia invention? And the feature isn't needed by stock mediaplayer? Then I bet it's not supported by mafw Dec 10 13:24:37 yeah probably not Dec 10 13:25:05 compare arbitrary other Nokia inventions - all crippled to the bare minimum Dec 10 13:25:23 as far as we're talking about maemo libs etc Dec 10 13:26:50 which btw scares me a lot when thinking about bme kernel support in harmattan. I bet it will break hostmode Dec 10 13:27:00 heh, FCam is awesome Dec 10 13:28:06 fcam would be more awesome for me if it wouldn't insist on opening the sound device Dec 10 13:28:09 FCam is no genuine Nokia baby though Dec 10 13:28:18 MohammadAG: remind me again why we're using MAFW? Dec 10 13:28:26 I want to listen to mp3 and take pics Dec 10 13:28:33 SpeedEvil: heh! and the lp5523 Dec 10 13:28:49 lardman, so we don't break APIs Dec 10 13:29:09 but if it's only used internally anyway... Dec 10 13:29:18 DocScrutinizer: i wasn't commenting on the nokia-breakage convo... Dec 10 13:29:37 BCMM: oh, nevertheless it fits Dec 10 13:29:40 it's just that someone with nice digital bridge camera was just envious of teh manual controlls Dec 10 13:30:03 lardman, home widgets, applets, status updaters Dec 10 13:30:21 ah ok Dec 10 13:30:37 they all base on libmafw Dec 10 13:30:57 which is pretty good for a cameraphone, really Dec 10 13:32:17 * lardman wonders whether we need to use mafw renderers in that case Dec 10 13:32:46 why pidgin doesnt show avatar of my MSN contacts? Dec 10 13:33:42 lardman: MohammadAG: (iso9660, volunteer) as long as your mediaplayer app is planning for a generic way to plug in that function seamlessly, I guess that's just good enough Dec 10 13:34:09 DocScrutinizer: all you need to do is write a gstreamer element that can read from that file Dec 10 13:34:16 SpeedEvil: that's odd, playback doesn't stop for me when using fcamera Dec 10 13:34:17 ok Dec 10 13:34:23 lardman, that's why I was thinking really Dec 10 13:34:25 then it should be automatically recognised by playbin2 Dec 10 13:34:37 (although IIRC the FCam API is supposed to have a built-in way to make sounds) Dec 10 13:34:46 lardman: so playbin2 is also handling playlists? Dec 10 13:34:51 no Dec 10 13:34:58 hmm :-/ Dec 10 13:35:02 but I guess anything can be added to a playlist Dec 10 13:35:05 so what about the cuesheet? Dec 10 13:35:10 ah, i see Dec 10 13:35:17 well apparently mafw is extensible ;) Dec 10 13:36:17 hmm Dec 10 13:36:25 make sure about that, as it may flaw your basic architecture, if you use it for a basic building block and then it turns out it can't handle things like e.g cuesheets Dec 10 13:38:32 will there be any further updates to maemo, or is everything about meego now? I've found some bugs, but I don't know if there is any use reporting them? Dec 10 13:39:55 jo-erlend: notions about that differ wildly Dec 10 13:41:12 jo-erlend: a somewhat common sense seems to be it's useful to have tickets for bugs in tracker, so community can focus on alternative ways to patch if Nokia doesn't care Dec 10 13:42:13 SpeedEvil: which fcam app do you find disables audio? Dec 10 13:43:42 checking Dec 10 13:43:44 I may be wrong Dec 10 13:43:54 It happened once in 1783. Dec 10 13:43:56 i know the default camera app does that Dec 10 13:44:11 the year 1783? Dec 10 13:44:28 lardman, shouldn't the UI handle playlists? Dec 10 13:44:29 lardman: for a bad example about how Nokia apps and libs spoil proper integration of nice plugins, see "mafw-grilo-source plugins for Fremantle Media Player" Dec 10 13:44:35 or MAFW Playlists Dec 10 13:45:02 MohammadAG: well I suppose the UI should present the playlist state that MAFW handles Dec 10 13:45:07 BTW Grilo stuff needs a bugfix Dec 10 13:45:18 Anyonewilling to fix+commit? Dec 10 13:47:53 lardman: (grilo plugin ugly) I guess you want avoid your app is duplicating this Dec 10 13:48:14 so I guess we'll need to make some modification to the mafw-gst-renderer to enable gapless playback: http://vcs.maemo.org/svn/mafw/trunk/mafw-gst-renderer/libmafw-gst-renderer/mafw-gst-renderer-worker.c Dec 10 13:48:35 DocScrutinizer: not my app! :) Dec 10 13:48:48 your(pl) Dec 10 13:49:27 No, not really. The guy who volunteered for the rules, has access now. Dec 10 13:49:39 Hmm ok, -EWINDOW :) Dec 10 13:50:13 logger -t X-Fade -EWINDOW Dec 10 13:50:31 DocScrutinizer: Yeah, quite a lot ;) Dec 10 13:51:10 hi Dec 10 13:51:42 I'm trying to download opencv but I don't find it in the repositories. I tried to add: Dec 10 13:51:51 * deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free non-free Dec 10 13:51:51 * deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ fremantle free Dec 10 13:52:56 to sources.list but I get: couldn't access keyring: no such file or directory Dec 10 13:53:42 any idea? Dec 10 13:53:44 mazdok: you're supposed to manage catalogs via HAM Dec 10 13:54:14 uhm what do you mean? Dec 10 13:54:51 I mean you should open Hildon Application Manager, and there add your repository URLs Dec 10 13:55:05 in menu -> catalogs Dec 10 13:55:29 afaik direct editing of sources.list is deprecated Dec 10 13:55:45 works fine for me Dec 10 13:55:46 uhm but I'm speaking about scratchbox Dec 10 13:55:49 maybe to avoid the issue you're facing Dec 10 13:56:00 ooh Dec 10 13:56:11 ok, scratch my coment Dec 10 13:56:25 k Dec 10 13:56:58 mazdok: opencv seems to be in extras-devel --> "deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free" (and deb-src) Dec 10 13:57:00 I tried to compile opencv also from the source but I get a strange error Dec 10 13:57:21 so should I have to add this line: Dec 10 13:57:33 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Dec 10 13:57:39 in sources.list right? Dec 10 13:58:07 looks like what I've pasted above :) Dec 10 13:58:16 gregoa: yep :P Dec 10 13:59:06 damn it Dec 10 13:59:13 I get the same error.. Dec 10 14:00:02 GPG error: blablabla freemantle release: could't access keyring. no such file or directory Dec 10 14:00:40 hm. strange. could you paste the complete command/output somewhere? Dec 10 14:01:07 uhm ok Dec 10 14:01:29 I am using a virtualbox machine so I may need time Dec 10 14:01:30 hmm, ok well we could support gapless by changing the mafw sources so that they contain some metadata about whether we want a gap or not, and changing the gst renderer to look for that info and either wait for the track to finish or push the next one when it's signalled Dec 10 14:02:44 should be possible to add support for cue by creating a new mafw source and a gst src element to read the correct data Dec 10 14:04:41 http://pastebin.com/rgB0QyiW Dec 10 14:07:07 mazdok: ah, that. I think I've seen that before, but IIRC it's only a warning and installing packages still works Dec 10 14:07:29 mazdok: I never was motivated to find out about the keyrings for the maemo repositories yet Dec 10 14:09:04 mazdok: "apt-key adv --keyserver pgp.mit.edu --recv-keys 616730BD" imports the key for extras-devel Dec 10 14:09:11 cheers Dec 10 14:09:21 where do you find it? Dec 10 14:10:16 *did Dec 10 14:10:26 FSCK that lis302dl driver!!! Dec 10 14:10:38 mazdok: in the back of my brain :) (the keyid with "apt-key list" on the N900) Dec 10 14:10:50 had there been any patches to it for pr1.3? Dec 10 14:10:59 cool Dec 10 14:11:07 thank you very much I m going to try it now Dec 10 14:11:19 mazdok: np. hope it works Dec 10 14:11:33 my acceleromeer frequently locks up and needs REMOVAL OF BATTERY to reset Dec 10 14:12:46 gregoa: IT WORKED!!! thank you very much! Dec 10 14:13:03 mazdok: cool! Dec 10 14:15:02 (accel) I honestly wonder why it doesn't reset on powerdown at very least, as it's powered by 1V8 and 2V8 only, and both rails are supposed to be powered down on shutdown of system Dec 10 14:15:57 anyway the driver *obviously* is missing a decent chip reset & init on module load Dec 10 14:16:24 ~pr1.3 Dec 10 14:16:25 hmm... pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Dec 10 14:17:07 probably last? Dec 10 14:19:48 gregoa: I'm trying to do it for the arm target but it doesn't work. gpg: keyserver receive failed: keyserver error Dec 10 14:20:04 sorry Dec 10 14:20:12 nothing now it works.. maybe it was a timeout Dec 10 14:20:51 mazdok: yeah probably a timeout or a network problem. pgp.mit.edu is not the most reliable keyserver (it was just the first that came to my mind) Dec 10 14:20:56 hmm, * Fixes: NB#152523 - Accelerometer uncalibrated after reboot Dec 10 14:21:04 ah ok Dec 10 14:21:05 cool Dec 10 14:21:07 :P Dec 10 14:21:08 might also fix the lockup Dec 10 14:21:10 thank you again Dec 10 14:21:11 ! Dec 10 14:21:17 np Dec 10 14:26:38 blah Dec 10 14:30:13 is there an easy way to get a command to powerbutton klicks? Dec 10 14:30:52 chem|st, ? Dec 10 14:33:46 or any hardware key Dec 10 14:34:18 MohammadAG: you lock screen and kbd by double press, how may I replace that with say security lock Dec 10 14:34:51 chem|st, can you merge http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66833 into http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65570 ? Dec 10 14:35:53 MohammadAG: usbstick into problems with hostmode? Dec 10 14:36:19 problems with getting hostmode Dec 10 14:36:22 signal sender=:1.8 -> dest=(null destination) serial=1187 path=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/computer_logicaldev_input; interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device; member=Condition Dec 10 14:36:22 string "ButtonPressed" Dec 10 14:36:23 string "power" Dec 10 14:36:38 you could detect if that was sent twice with a daemon/dbus-scripts Dec 10 14:37:04 MohammadAG: done... Dec 10 14:37:42 I would've thought the power button sent a signal for a double click... Dec 10 14:37:50 MohammadAG: the action is already taken for screenlock but the config has only options written for [off,menu,lock,stby] Dec 10 14:37:57 apparently, it's just mce processing whether it was sent once or twice Dec 10 14:38:05 heh, the bits Zen, Yen, and Xen, in LIS302, are really lovely named :-D Dec 10 14:38:53 and I want to change the action taken on lock from "lock scr & kbd" to "security lock" Dec 10 14:39:39 you need to set it to off and detect two presses with a daemon Dec 10 14:39:46 a different one Dec 10 14:41:42 there's a system dbus message when screen locks Dec 10 14:42:18 Just do a device lock on that Dec 10 14:43:59 alterego: I do not want to device lock on screen lock! Dec 10 14:46:08 chem|st: I ponder about tweaking events.d/* to handle e.g. soft-poweroff action for powerbutton_action_doubleclick in a different manner Dec 10 14:46:54 what is the home key? Dec 10 14:47:05 nobody knows :-P Dec 10 14:47:14 mmh Dec 10 14:47:17 prolly heritage of N8x0 Dec 10 14:47:56 what is soft power off? Dec 10 14:48:11 lmg noone knows.. Dec 10 14:48:34 read about it somewhere... also heritage of n8x0 Dec 10 14:48:59 No, it's same as act_dead aka charging Dec 10 14:49:10 according to comments in mce.ini Dec 10 14:49:24 whatever that's worth for Dec 10 14:49:33 indeed, it's act_dead Dec 10 14:49:49 it activates offline mode and turns on the charging led Dec 10 14:50:12 it does more than that: it basically changes runlevel Dec 10 14:50:41 and you can configure if it's entering offline mode or not, during act_dead Dec 10 14:51:09 activates charging led is weird... Dec 10 14:51:28 where is the config for that? Dec 10 14:51:34 mce.ini Dec 10 14:51:44 uh ok need to look closer Dec 10 14:52:34 soft poweroff should not activate power led Dec 10 14:52:39 it is n8x0 heritage indeed Dec 10 14:53:10 my I set devlock instead of tklock for the double press? mce must know what is meant dont it? Dec 10 14:54:01 worst case scenario if you try is that your device goes into a boot loop, till you kill the watchdog with R&D mode Dec 10 14:54:21 k Dec 10 14:54:24 I try ;) Dec 10 14:55:08 \o/ cheers for the heroes Dec 10 14:55:30 I bet on "mce ignores as it doesn't know" Dec 10 14:55:50 reboot on sight ;) Dec 10 14:56:06 one mce restart... Dec 10 14:56:07 mce another example of Nokia not implementing much beyond what they thought might be enough to meet *their* requirements Dec 10 14:56:28 not bootlooping yet Dec 10 14:57:45 weird it behaves just the same as before... Dec 10 14:57:50 I vote for another useless ticket to request disclosing mce source Dec 10 14:58:37 sure, you changed a setting for an event that's never happening, so to say Dec 10 14:58:57 ther must be some kind of fallback as it just ignores the devlock and does a tklock Dec 10 14:59:15 DocScrutinizer: cmon, you know those don't go anywhere Dec 10 14:59:55 Nokia probably pays a PR person to deal with trying to satisfy us without actually releasing code Dec 10 14:59:59 chem|st: # Double press [power] behaviour # tklock - enable the touchscreen/keypad lock Dec 10 15:00:48 [2010-12-10 15:55:05] I bet on "mce ignores as it doesn't know" Dec 10 15:01:00 DocScrutinizer: yes and setting it to something else than available makes a fallback to default Dec 10 15:01:08 sure Dec 10 15:01:21 at least it doesnt bootloop Dec 10 15:01:24 won another bet :-) Dec 10 15:01:42 but it actualy knows devlock as it got settings for it... Dec 10 15:02:05 but not as an option for PowerKeyDoubleAction= Dec 10 15:02:20 I want an open mce! Dec 10 15:02:31 that's where my rant about opening useless tickets comes in Dec 10 15:02:39 heh :-D Dec 10 15:02:42 ^^2nd Dec 10 15:03:00 it is no magic they are doing there Dec 10 15:03:09 absolutely not Dec 10 15:03:09 we should replace it with acpi Dec 10 15:03:16 yep Dec 10 15:03:22 what?? Dec 10 15:03:30 acpiwhat? Dec 10 15:03:36 lol Dec 10 15:03:49 where do I need to solder the chip supporting acpi then? Dec 10 15:04:13 chip? Dec 10 15:04:32 crackers Dec 10 15:04:38 imo the nearest thing to mce is gnome-power-manager, and, being a gnome program, it actually has less configurability :) Dec 10 15:04:51 javispedro: true Dec 10 15:04:57 and starts with g* Dec 10 15:05:00 :-( Dec 10 15:05:24 mce is one such thing I was thinkign that could be helpful in a nonmaemo environment Dec 10 15:05:40 errrwut? Dec 10 15:06:02 most stuff starting K or G will end up in a apt-get remove --purge k$something && apt-get autoremove Dec 10 15:06:09 something that does what mce does, ok Dec 10 15:06:33 what would you use if you were designing a embedded linux thingie and needed what mce provides (screen & extra leds dimming with possibility, hotkeys, locking, etc.) Dec 10 15:06:35 some nokian should torrent the source... Dec 10 15:06:41 DocScrutinizer: yes, I mean if it was opensource Dec 10 15:06:45 *opensourced. Dec 10 15:06:58 er.. Dec 10 15:07:10 with posibility to override the dimming from applications. Dec 10 15:07:19 javispedro: me, personally? odeviced of fso Dec 10 15:07:32 aha, a custom daemon! Dec 10 15:07:46 well, what's custom? Dec 10 15:08:07 that fso had to design its own daemon Dec 10 15:08:20 mhm Dec 10 15:08:21 at least the possibility to make use of mce would be nice so you don't need to start all over again Dec 10 15:08:37 ~fso Dec 10 15:08:37 i heard fso is the freesmartphone.org mobile devices middleware. Dec 10 15:08:48 I've read nothing about odeviced but I'm sure it's more customizable than mce so the need for mce goes down Dec 10 15:09:06 yep Dec 10 15:10:18 don't quote me on that though, maybe it's oeventsd Dec 10 15:10:57 fscked up brats! Dec 10 15:11:12 I never wrapped my head around the border line between the domains of those two Dec 10 15:11:20 brats? Dec 10 15:11:37 DocScrutinizer: kids annoying you?! Dec 10 15:11:48 ahh Dec 10 15:15:01 fscking with mce makes me wanna UHHHM Dec 10 15:16:06 does anyone know a good obexfilebrowser gui or ncurses, as simple as possible and just enough to browse folders and transfer files? Dec 10 15:17:42 something using fuse? Dec 10 15:17:55 well, there's two fuse<->obexftp layers Dec 10 15:18:03 dunno if someone packaged them on maemo though Dec 10 15:19:15 Hy! Any way to find out how some contacts were deleted on my phone? Some important people are suddenly missing after my phone was stolen by my brother :( Dec 10 15:21:08 what I never understood is why do languagefiles need to be installed for any language Dec 10 15:22:32 for country version there should be the native + english + spanish and thats it, everything else could be addon Dec 10 15:23:33 well, the preloaded system is common for most territories afaik Dec 10 15:23:45 so all you could do is erase unneeded locales after first boot Dec 10 15:23:56 but then people would complain you cannot switch them.. Dec 10 15:26:58 still it's probably a nice idea to have a small script doing exactly that Dec 10 15:28:59 * DocScrutinizer ponders to torture lis302dl chip with I2Ctools :-P Dec 10 15:29:50 writing a better driver? Dec 10 15:31:45 long term project: yes Dec 10 15:32:10 short term project: reset chip by a script, to fix lockups Dec 10 15:32:29 ...without rebooting device, or even removing battery Dec 10 15:32:51 a/act Dec 10 15:33:00 range: OK Dec 10 15:33:13 Grrr. Why do I *always* mistype in this channel >:) Dec 10 15:35:18 no more maps for n900 regarding NOS and maploader in current stae Dec 10 15:39:35 javispedro: https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/ggit/browse.php/?p=h-e-n;a=blob;f=drivers/i2c/chips/lis302dl.c;h=ee6dbc3a73a6d18ae6f3e131a6c18f0c07f085f8;hb=a2abd51199b9e61542a24ae9086ac1c6263106c4#l169 Dec 10 15:39:52 that is reset? Dec 10 15:39:58 (never read lis302 spec) Dec 10 15:41:03 btw, if I were to rewrite that driver, I'd convert it to a input driver and show most of the hw options (high pass filter?) via sysfs Dec 10 15:41:24 it resets the calibration register in lis302 to factory trimming Dec 10 15:41:37 did you pinpoint the problem you had? Dec 10 15:41:40 javispedro: exactly Dec 10 15:42:15 javispedro: the problem of lis302 lockup? looks like massive decalibration Dec 10 15:42:23 yep, that one Dec 10 15:42:53 so restoring factory calibration should fix it. Could be done by a cron job Dec 10 15:43:04 happens often to you? hmm Dec 10 15:43:09 yep Dec 10 15:43:15 weird. Dec 10 15:43:40 I always notice it when call-ui autorotate doesn't work anymore Dec 10 15:44:09 as I rarely ever use the phone it goes unnoticed for several days Dec 10 15:45:19 DocScrutinizer, on that note, sometimes when hildon-desktop is improperly restarted, it stops rotating till the next reboot Dec 10 15:45:27 ans as I even more rarely reboot, it stays like that for maybe a month. So I encountered the issue like 4 times during last 4 months Dec 10 15:45:29 opening a stacked window kicks rotation back into place Dec 10 15:46:03 MohammadAG: my problem is clearly related to lis302 though Dec 10 15:46:20 liqacceltest shows weird results Dec 10 15:46:22 I just felt like mentioning it :P Dec 10 15:47:23 ok see maps again... installed all Europe... now listed with new version... iceland only :( Dec 10 15:47:29 creeps! Dec 10 15:50:34 javispedro: the definitely weird thing about lis302 decalib is: I did a powerdown this noon, and 3h later (1h ago) the autorotation was borked, so I felt like removing battery is the only thing that fixes it. Might be there's something messing it up rather short time after reboot though Dec 10 15:50:53 * MohammadAG wonders if the song list in the stock media player is a custom widget Dec 10 15:51:06 I see no widget that provides the gray text areas and the track length Dec 10 15:51:09 * alterego sighs Dec 10 15:51:32 MohammadAG: it probably is a custom gtk cell renderer, like modest ones. Dec 10 15:51:50 blargh Dec 10 15:51:52 Yeah, it's a list view. Dec 10 15:52:01 Easy to replicate in Qt Dec 10 15:52:14 good learning experience too, have fun :D Dec 10 15:52:18 I have a list view, but I want the gray text and tracks :P Dec 10 15:52:24 lmao Dec 10 15:53:20 Yes, you need to implement a nice delegate to do it. Dec 10 15:53:29 urgh, delegates Dec 10 15:53:50 anybody know how to right click from the maemo vnc client? Dec 10 15:54:08 * DocScrutinizer cackles Dec 10 15:54:32 Macer, use a mouse and hostmode Dec 10 15:54:33 :P Dec 10 15:54:37 haha Dec 10 15:54:42 * DocScrutinizer cackles even more Dec 10 15:54:52 Heh Dec 10 15:55:01 no easier way to do it? like hold alt and tap? :) Dec 10 15:55:15 Macer: have you tried the volume -/+ buttons? that is how it used to work on the n8x0... Dec 10 15:55:21 hold shift - is the mac method :-P Dec 10 15:55:36 DocScrutinizer: tried that Dec 10 15:55:39 :) Dec 10 15:55:44 mac is ctrl Dec 10 15:56:05 blargh. bad system. Dec 10 15:56:08 umm, I got no mac, so maybe you're right :-D Dec 10 15:56:12 haha Dec 10 15:56:29 so if I try to do it the proper way and request for permission to play music, the system tells me I'm allowed, but then mutes my stream. Dec 10 15:56:38 of course, If I say nothing, it does not mute my stream. Dec 10 15:56:59 * javispedro goes back to reading the terse documentation Dec 10 15:57:00 errr wut? Dec 10 15:57:27 ah. nm Dec 10 15:57:44 just needed to get task manager to run and there is ctrl alt del in the vnc menu Dec 10 15:57:47 Macer: no, nm won't work Dec 10 15:58:48 crap talktalk connection Dec 10 15:58:59 anybody joining for a doener? Dec 10 15:59:24 ok, cya then Dec 10 16:00:11 a what? Dec 10 16:00:27 haha Dec 10 16:02:47 ok Dec 10 16:03:01 all funned out with ssh tunneled vnc heh Dec 10 16:03:16 i need to get rdp going on that box Dec 10 16:08:45 MohammadAG, how's UPnP looking? Dec 10 16:09:24 ugly plug n play? Dec 10 16:09:50 DocScrutinizer: hmm, it looks like playback from a CD image should already be supported by gstreamer Dec 10 16:10:54 lardman: I'd guess as much, but the question is how it handles playback of a single song out of a CD immage, defined by cuesheet Dec 10 16:11:14 well gst should do that apparently, but mafw probably won't be interested Dec 10 16:11:17 image* Dec 10 16:12:35 you'd need cdiocddasrc though which is iin plugins-ugly Dec 10 16:13:11 hi Dec 10 16:13:16 hey Dave Dec 10 16:13:26 lardman, Hell of a name there Dec 10 16:13:32 cdiocddasrc? Dec 10 16:13:40 Who came up with that one? Dec 10 16:13:46 no clue :) Dec 10 16:13:53 http://gstreamer.freedesktop.org/data/doc/gstreamer/head/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins/html/gst-plugins-ugly-plugins-cdiocddasrc.html Dec 10 16:14:15 I guess it's "CD I/O CDDA source" Dec 10 16:14:19 Can you not "mount" audio cds? Dec 10 16:14:39 alterego, You have to buy them dinner first. Dec 10 16:14:50 alterego: yes, that would probably be easier, but then again we're thinking of an all singing all dancing media player here ;) Dec 10 16:14:53 because out of the box gstreamer will handle the audio format. Dec 10 16:15:18 (seriously though, no, you can't mount audio CDs, there's no filesystem) Dec 10 16:15:43 Although I've heard of someone hacking a pseudo filesystem that mounted a CD as raw audio files Dec 10 16:15:43 dneary: well that's rubbish :P Dec 10 16:15:49 yep, CDDA != ISO9660 Dec 10 16:15:57 Yes, that's what I mean. Dec 10 16:16:00 though I used it incorrectly Dec 10 16:16:10 alterego, What's rubbish? Dec 10 16:16:11 I've known a few OS' that do it. Dec 10 16:16:18 dneary: it is a filesystem Dec 10 16:16:28 http://www.linuxconfig.org/HowTo_mount_cdrom_in_linux Dec 10 16:16:29 alterego, Really? Dec 10 16:16:32 it has a toc and it has audio files :P Dec 10 16:16:40 What else would you call it? Dec 10 16:16:41 cddafs? Dec 10 16:16:55 uh, s'pose Dec 10 16:17:09 Admittedly the line might seem grey and fuzzy, but essentially it is :) Dec 10 16:17:27 RISC OS used to handle audio CDs like that Dec 10 16:17:37 And I swear even windows does .. or did .. Dec 10 16:17:45 alterego: yep Dec 10 16:18:06 nope, CDDA that's a pcm stream, with a cuesheet (=directory) unrelated. the img file usually only has the PCM stream data Dec 10 16:18:29 alterego, You scared me away Dec 10 16:18:40 Hah Dec 10 16:18:42 awwwww Dec 10 16:18:55 I didn't mean to sound harsh :D Dec 10 16:19:30 s/cuesheet/toc Dec 10 16:19:55 DocScrutinizer: what do you mean by image? Dec 10 16:20:11 I thought we were talking about, say, a dev entry? Dec 10 16:20:21 the data file used by e.g xcdroast to burn a CD from Dec 10 16:20:48 Oooo. you're talking about that crap Dec 10 16:21:05 no, we're not talking about playback of /dev/cdrom Dec 10 16:21:06 I usually just use ".iso" plain images. Dec 10 16:21:19 I asked for playback of images Dec 10 16:21:33 iso is for data CDs Dec 10 16:21:38 So you want this media player to plau .bin files with a .cue? Dec 10 16:21:45 yep Dec 10 16:22:02 DocScrutinizer: iso is a common extension for an image file of an optical disk Dec 10 16:22:21 I know it sounds like it should be related to iso9660 but it really isn't Dec 10 16:22:27 iso is a common extension for the image of the data track on an optical disk Dec 10 16:22:38 not of the whole disk Dec 10 16:22:45 exactly Dec 10 16:22:54 It's not like you use .udf for dvds is it. Dec 10 16:22:58 toc != data Dec 10 16:23:12 Oh yes, good oint .. Dec 10 16:23:19 -point .. Dec 10 16:23:47 Have you tried renaming the .bin file .wav :) Dec 10 16:24:01 mplayer will probably play it straight Dec 10 16:24:08 yeah Dec 10 16:24:15 yeah it can I think Dec 10 16:24:16 that, though it *might* work, wouldn't allow playback of a single song of a CD img Dec 10 16:24:32 can if you know the offset times Dec 10 16:24:37 DocScrutinizer: no, but seek and reading the .cue would. Dec 10 16:24:43 that's what the cuesheet is for Dec 10 16:24:55 O cddb .. Dec 10 16:25:01 or cddb ... Dec 10 16:25:03 mhm Dec 10 16:25:25 tbh, I've not used CDs in bloody ages :) Dec 10 16:25:34 alterego: windows does "mount" cddas as kind of a filesystem, but it makes as much sense as mounting a dvd video where chapters = files Dec 10 16:25:53 alterego: tbh I never felt happy with crappy mp3 Dec 10 16:25:58 and in fact virtually no application uses windows' cddafs abstraction and just plays cddas directly Dec 10 16:26:03 DocScrutinizer: meh :P Dec 10 16:26:13 javispedro: so? Dec 10 16:26:41 it makes no sense; a cdda should be considered as large pcm stream. Dec 10 16:26:49 ack Dec 10 16:27:01 m'hmm Dec 10 16:27:34 I'm not disagreeing with you, but I still think it depends how you look at it. Dec 10 16:27:42 I want to hear CD album without gaps between the songs that are meant to fade one into the next Dec 10 16:28:10 Single file concatenated files, bluergh Dec 10 16:28:19 DocScrutinizer: amarok cant do that? Dec 10 16:28:34 not sure about amarok Dec 10 16:28:52 it might know how to handle cuesheets Dec 10 16:28:57 Still, without the cue you wont be able to infur a cddb entry either. Dec 10 16:29:11 or really play seamless gapless Dec 10 16:29:45 DocScrutinizer: how do you invisage this working? Dec 10 16:29:51 ideally .. Dec 10 16:30:40 hmm, mafw renderer destroys the pipeline and rebuilds it between each playlist entry Dec 10 16:30:45 ideally... the player reads in a cuesheet and converts it to song objects that have start & end pointers into a .bin Dec 10 16:31:15 m'hmm Dec 10 16:31:31 Well, we could add .cue support to tracker Dec 10 16:31:37 well the mafw source parses the cue file and allows these objects to be added to the mafw playlist, then they are passed to the renderer which will call a gst source element which can extract the audio Dec 10 16:31:40 and .cue support to mafw Dec 10 16:32:08 if you got a playlist that has consecutive songs from same img, then the player pipeline should get fed with a single consecutive file to playback, I guess Dec 10 16:32:13 I dont see the point, flac is fine Dec 10 16:32:34 valdyn: for you, DocScrutinizer is special :P Dec 10 16:32:41 appearantly Dec 10 16:32:49 docscrutinizer: won't work like that with the way the renderer is setup Dec 10 16:33:11 but it will appear to work like that if we can get gapless to work with the gst renderer Dec 10 16:33:33 lardman: that's why I suggested you check carefully your architecture Dec 10 16:33:59 lardman: does mafw reconstruct the pipline every track? Dec 10 16:34:08 I guess it must do .. Dec 10 16:34:12 well i see no reason why it can't work, assuming the renderer can be made to not destroy if the next file is the same type Dec 10 16:34:20 alterego: yes Dec 10 16:34:26 lol @ this comment in the source: Dec 10 16:34:33 * Constructs gst pipeline Dec 10 16:34:33 * Dec 10 16:34:33 * FIXME: Could the same pipeline be used for playing all media instead of Dec 10 16:34:33 * constantly deleting and reconstructing it again? Dec 10 16:34:34 */ Dec 10 16:34:48 MUHAHA Dec 10 16:35:14 Hahah Dec 10 16:35:40 Has anyone looked at grillo? Dec 10 16:35:53 errm, I'm using it Dec 10 16:35:57 if that counts Dec 10 16:36:02 grilo Dec 10 16:36:13 alterego: no, MohammadAG was wanting to stick with mafw so we remain compatiable with other stuff atm Dec 10 16:36:53 lardman: ?? Dec 10 16:37:19 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=892916&postcount=83 Dec 10 16:37:22 lardman: I understand, I did push him that way myself. Dec 10 16:37:28 I kinda want to thank that post Dec 10 16:37:35 lardman: is grilo breaking mafw? Dec 10 16:37:47 Still, ... Dec 10 16:38:06 DocScrutinizer: not sure, I thought grilo was a replacement for mafw Dec 10 16:38:08 DocScrutinizer: grilo is api incompatible Dec 10 16:38:28 hmm, so I dunno what grilo is then Dec 10 16:38:33 there's afaik a plugin for mafw to be able to use grilo sources iirc Dec 10 16:38:35 Just making another media player seems pointless for an OS that (at least in my mind) will be a minority on N900s in 6 months Dec 10 16:39:01 alterego: sure! (goes check Fremantle on his N810) Dec 10 16:39:03 alterego: indeed, but that depends on how fast Meego matures Dec 10 16:39:14 there's a plugin for mediaplayer to use grilo select dialogs, for files, radios, youtube? Dec 10 16:39:25 alterego, mafw for now, Qt's APIs can be used in 6 months Dec 10 16:39:33 DocScrutinizer, yes Dec 10 16:40:19 is it worth trying to implement gapless and various extra sources then? Dec 10 16:40:59 aiui via menu->plugins(grilo)->files you can select media that isn't shown by mediaplayer tracker-based selections Dec 10 16:41:11 and add them to playlist as usual Dec 10 16:42:06 MohammadAG: but you're mimmicking the ux, which isn't _that_ great :P Dec 10 16:42:18 lardman: if it's not worth to implement it to maemo-mohmediaplayer, then this app is not worth being written at all Dec 10 16:42:42 mohammediaplayer? :D Dec 10 16:42:53 * alterego chuckles Dec 10 16:43:01 good one Dec 10 16:43:16 does anyone know from head which process implements org.maemo.Playback.Manager? Dec 10 16:43:18 quite, well I reckon we chip in and get Meego working well enough Dec 10 16:43:24 * MohammadAG slaps alterego Dec 10 16:44:21 I was just thinking why not replace mafw with grillo Dec 10 16:44:29 MohammadAG: too late, that's a name too good to ever vanish Dec 10 16:44:38 Though, if mafw can use grillo, that's even better. Dec 10 16:44:38 :) Dec 10 16:45:05 alterego, why replace mafw and break tons (k, I'm exaggerating) of apps Dec 10 16:45:22 yeah Dec 10 16:45:30 Basically it should be quite simple to add the existing mafw stuff, but I'm unsure whether it's worth extending mafw assuming it's not going to be used in the future Dec 10 16:45:34 I think my app is the only one you'd break Dec 10 16:45:35 MohammadAG: what the F* would break when one app is using a different lib? Dec 10 16:45:41 last.fm, your status updater which you're rewriting in C++, qwerty12's status applet and message-like notifications Dec 10 16:45:44 the entire reason for mohammediaplayer to exist is not wanting to replace maemo =) Dec 10 16:45:45 Well, that and the headphoned Dec 10 16:45:56 pfft Dec 10 16:45:59 not yet, at least. Dec 10 16:46:01 DocScrutinizer, cause it's being replaced Dec 10 16:46:07 (the stock app) Dec 10 16:46:09 o.O Dec 10 16:46:16 This, is why I'm not getting heavily involved :P Dec 10 16:46:17 javispedro: I don't subscribe to that though Dec 10 16:46:37 alterego, you hate maemo? Dec 10 16:46:57 alterego, hey, you could still use #ifdef! Dec 10 16:47:04 No, I love it, but I do think working in alignment wth meego s better. Dec 10 16:47:06 I reckon we write ebuilds for all the few useful MeeGo components and run Gentoo. Dec 10 16:47:22 bloody Gentoo Dec 10 16:47:27 hold on, can't take phonecalls my phone is compiling Dec 10 16:47:32 well Meego will be finished by the time it's all built ;) Dec 10 16:47:35 wmarone: N900 isn't a phone Dec 10 16:47:46 luke-jr: willing to host a N900 binhost? I'd use it :) Dec 10 16:47:51 lardman: but MeeGo isn't a phone Dec 10 16:47:54 javispedro: I already do Dec 10 16:47:56 luke-jr: partially ;) Dec 10 16:48:03 err Dec 10 16:48:07 but MeeGo isn't Gentoo* Dec 10 16:48:10 I see any rather large effort on solely maemo as kind of pointless, bug fixes and stuff fine. But an entire media player? Dec 10 16:48:22 alterego: writing an app that's not easily portable between both worlds definitely is a dead end path Dec 10 16:48:43 alterego: Gentoo! Dec 10 16:48:43 alterego: actually a media player should be quite simple using mafw, but yes I agree with your sentiment Dec 10 16:48:51 Which, again I wouldn't have issue with, except you're mimmicking the maemo stock player, which is rubbish :P Dec 10 16:48:55 luke-jr: url binhost? Dec 10 16:49:00 *for Dec 10 16:49:27 javispedro: um, small problem w/ that actually Dec 10 16:49:34 I don't have the resources to comply w/ GPLs Dec 10 16:49:52 I'm not interested in booting it, so no problem for me Dec 10 16:49:54 so I'll share it on the condition you agree that it is for non-GPL'd bins only ;) Dec 10 16:49:57 Anyhow, I'll stop ranting and try to port meegodiaplayer to maemo for you :P Dec 10 16:50:29 javispedro: http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/gcc44/ Dec 10 16:50:38 (the movie player is quite sweet) Dec 10 16:50:43 javispedro: see also http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/overlay.xml Dec 10 16:51:08 javispedro: haven't updated in a couple of months tho, doing that now Dec 10 16:51:31 luke-jr: no hurries, I don't know when I'll find time to build it Dec 10 16:51:43 build what? :P Dec 10 16:52:10 s/build/install,make,untar,whatever Dec 10 16:52:38 and thanks :) Dec 10 16:53:07 the big downside of the GPL is the burden it puts on people who just want to share binaries of publicly available code :/ Dec 10 16:53:19 hmm Dec 10 16:53:33 if someone asks you for the code, you can download it and send it to them can't you? Dec 10 16:53:51 lardman: I suppose… Dec 10 16:54:00 but what if they ask for the complete code of everything? Dec 10 16:54:05 I have to spend hours tracking it down Dec 10 16:54:27 yeah, but equally your build scripts must grab the code too, so I'm sure it can't be that hard Dec 10 16:54:30 but then, I suppose I could chalk that up to cost of getting them the copy… Dec 10 16:54:37 lol Dec 10 16:54:45 lardman: they do, but I wipe that dir regularly Dec 10 16:54:55 don't have that much free space x.x Dec 10 16:55:03 there's also some interesting problems -- there are some ways you can build firefox that make it unredistributable Dec 10 16:55:10 (the binary) Dec 10 16:55:22 because of trademark issues Dec 10 16:56:00 Only if you compile with firefox branding Dec 10 16:56:01 MohammadAG: so what's your take on the whole thing then? Dec 10 16:56:40 MohammadAG: will you want to stick with Maemo, or do you think it will be some significant time before Meego is day-to-day usable, or do you want to do this to prove a point Dec 10 16:56:47 all of which are acceptable explanations Dec 10 16:58:49 Mmm, remvoing an Exchange account doesn't remove all the appointments for said account; is there a way to do that? Dec 10 16:58:51 or do you want to implement it in a way it's easily ported to meego Dec 10 16:59:38 lardman, I just don't think MeeGo will be usable on the N900, so on the N900, I'm sticking to M5 Dec 10 17:00:09 I'm on the same page here Dec 10 17:00:28 I'm on a chair Dec 10 17:00:56 I'm on the run, for doener... Dec 10 17:00:59 o/ Dec 10 17:01:11 I'm on some universe. Dec 10 17:01:20 can anyone point me for directions? Dec 10 17:01:22 for whgat? Dec 10 17:01:24 ~what? Dec 10 17:01:25 idk Dec 10 17:01:32 Hah Dec 10 17:03:01 javispedro: please read http://luke.dashjr.org/programs/gentoo-n900/packages/GPL-COMPLIANCE.txt Dec 10 17:03:07 alterego, been looking at the code you gave me once, .call("GetProperty", "button.state.value"), where did you get button.state.value from? Dec 10 17:03:29 google Dec 10 17:03:44 The interface is more interesting mohammad Dec 10 17:04:18 javispedro: I already have rules in place to give a 403 Forbidden to any attempts to download the binpkgs for Nokia closed stuff ;) Dec 10 17:05:03 luke-jr: "I agree" *click-wrap* Dec 10 17:07:08 alterego, I'm just trying to do dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.get_extension_property string:volume Dec 10 17:07:33 doesn't mafw have qt bindings? Dec 10 17:08:01 this reminds me. MAFW appeared on the harmattan sw stack. Dec 10 17:08:13 I wonder if that's still the case. Dec 10 17:08:43 javispedro: probably, or its' been replaced by grillo Dec 10 17:08:57 2a01? that's a new /16 Dec 10 17:09:01 Harmattan will, I imagine be a lot like what we have now, just with meego-touch on top ^.^ Dec 10 17:09:04 AKA DUI Dec 10 17:09:20 alterego, grillo is planned for Maemo 8 Dec 10 17:09:46 Maemo will follow Windows's path Dec 10 17:09:58 Maemo 6 will suck, 7 will rock, 8 will be DOA Dec 10 17:10:17 are you complimenting Windows 7? Dec 10 17:12:18 maybe Dec 10 17:12:28 * Arkenoi got strange impression that nokia is discouraging using "linux" APIs (gstreamer/evolution/pulseaudio/whatever) in meego software and is trying to push everyone to writing in Qt and Qt-related APIs (similaro to ones ported to symbian. This means we basically get "yet another mobile platform" which definitely sucks. Dec 10 17:12:40 windows 7 is from the deepest shit. Dec 10 17:12:47 Arkenoi: wtf? Dec 10 17:13:00 Arkenoi: gstreamer/evolution/pulseaudio/whatever are GNOME APIs, not Linux Dec 10 17:13:07 and GOOD. GNOME needs to die Dec 10 17:13:13 Arkenoi: it is not an impression. Dec 10 17:13:32 Arkenoi: it's what they're doing. They want to sell to you the fact that "you'd be able to run your app under Symbian". Dec 10 17:13:52 Symbian is dead Dec 10 17:13:54 javispedro: or Windows. or Mac. or KDE> Dec 10 17:13:58 Agree. Dec 10 17:14:00 or Android. Dec 10 17:14:08 Android has Qt? Dec 10 17:14:16 it has a port in works at least Dec 10 17:14:23 virtually any platform has Qt. Doesn't matter until it has half of Mobility ported. Dec 10 17:14:27 Only reason nokia should keep symbian alive is low end mobile phones. Only place symbian suits. Dec 10 17:14:28 officially? Dec 10 17:14:31 no ofc not Dec 10 17:14:35 hi Dec 10 17:14:35 else where no need. Dec 10 17:14:50 ke^: phones are dumb Dec 10 17:14:58 javispedro, luke-jr gnome apis are now integral part of linux desktop, like it or not. Dumping it means the raising development costs. It would be similar to yet another IOS or Android, self-contained environment. Dec 10 17:14:59 can you read/send SMS with n900 threw your computer? Dec 10 17:15:03 Arkenoi: NO Dec 10 17:15:15 Arkenoi: note that I agree with you. Dec 10 17:15:16 Arkenoi: GNOME APIs are NOT integral to anything Dec 10 17:15:17 * alterego continues porting mtf Dec 10 17:15:28 * luke-jr has glib/gtk blocked on his PCs Dec 10 17:15:28 * MohammadAG sighs Dec 10 17:15:29 and I'm going to try and port meego video player Dec 10 17:15:29 Arkenoi: but we discussed this many times around =) Dec 10 17:15:38 Then you wont have to worry about video support MohammadAG :) Dec 10 17:15:45 alterego: mtf is already ported. at least older versions of it (for 4.6) Dec 10 17:15:52 alterego, I'm not dumping the project Dec 10 17:16:18 javispedro: didn't compile for PR1.3 it seems it's no longer in the repo Dec 10 17:17:00 Beside the latest git should be better .. Dec 10 17:17:02 alterego, MeeGo on the N900 is a concept, nothing usable Dec 10 17:17:33 s/MeeGo/Mohammedia-player/ :P Dec 10 17:17:54 alterego, sigh Dec 10 17:17:57 MeeGo works, it might not be prime time ready, but it works Dec 10 17:17:58 I found maemo to be so attractive because it is not "mobile" or "embedded". It is slightly (maybe not enough) optimized for touch UI and low power consumption, but you basically may compile any desktop program changing ONLY UI (and even not changing anything if you need it running right now) Dec 10 17:18:11 losing this feature would be a disaster Dec 10 17:18:15 alterego, riiight... Dec 10 17:18:21 Making it better should be on our priority list, not plugging holes in a sinking ship :P Dec 10 17:18:35 Arkenoi: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-12-09.log.html#t2010-12-09T02:16:47 Dec 10 17:18:45 it's a lost cause on the N900's hardware alterego Dec 10 17:18:52 Bullshit Dec 10 17:18:57 That is complete rubbish Dec 10 17:18:58 not really Dec 10 17:19:00 Arkenoi: low power comsumption? how long does each charge last? Dec 10 17:19:04 The N900 is more than capable of running MeeGo Dec 10 17:19:06 Arkenoi: that's how it always is Dec 10 17:19:19 alterego: not really Dec 10 17:19:19 alterego, you've been sounding like a Nokian recently :P Dec 10 17:19:21 Hell, with the correct optimizations MeeGo should run quite well on an N8x0 .. Dec 10 17:19:30 luke-jr: yes, really. Dec 10 17:19:38 alterego: 3D-less MeeGo maybe Dec 10 17:19:46 Why 3Dless? Dec 10 17:19:47 s/correct\ optimizations/stripping\ down/ Dec 10 17:19:53 MohammadAG: rubbish Dec 10 17:19:59 alterego: because SGX is closed Dec 10 17:19:59 Doesn't need to be stripped. Dec 10 17:20:10 then why push the N9? Dec 10 17:20:10 blackthorne, much longer than any android running connected :-) Dec 10 17:20:12 luke-jr: m'hmm, aaaand .. Dec 10 17:20:15 and MBX even more closed Dec 10 17:20:37 luke-jr, that's kinda invalid, MeeGo will get a new driver for the SGX Dec 10 17:20:52 MohammadAG: why? Dec 10 17:20:52 that might or might not work on the N900. Dec 10 17:20:53 Arkenoi: I just want to know if everything is normal with my recently acquired n900. How long does it handle? Dec 10 17:21:09 luke-jr, vsync Dec 10 17:21:11 blackthorne: should last a week or so without SIM/WiFi Dec 10 17:21:20 MohammadAG: "stripped down" is bullshit, do you think your laptop runs any slower when your system is 2G or when it's 250G? Dec 10 17:21:22 MohammadAG: why would ImgTec provide such a driver? Dec 10 17:21:23 rubbish Dec 10 17:21:40 are many people using n900 without SIM? Dec 10 17:21:40 It's about optimizing the system for the hardware. And MeeGo is pretty much the same as Maemo. Dec 10 17:21:46 alterego, I wasn't referring to storage Dec 10 17:21:56 You said stripped. Dec 10 17:21:57 alterego: the same, they only changed the distro and the toolkit! Dec 10 17:21:58 does your laptop run slower with 256MB RAM? Dec 10 17:22:02 Why else woud you "strip" .. Dec 10 17:22:13 blackthorne, 1-2 days depending on cpu load online (given you have wifi coverage most of the time), 3-4 days if internet connection is disabled (but there is no good reason to abuse it like that) Dec 10 17:22:16 javispedro: marginal overhead difference .. Dec 10 17:22:18 MohammadAG: GTK uses more memory than Qt Dec 10 17:22:21 and is slower Dec 10 17:22:26 And no one will know .. Dec 10 17:22:27 just moving to Qt should provide a performance boost Dec 10 17:22:46 Arkenoi: with internet connection disabled most of the time, I can't go over 2 days Dec 10 17:22:51 And with the hardware floating point support ala neon extensions we'll get a pretty hefty performance boost. Dec 10 17:22:58 blackthorne: I've seen N900 battery level go *up* when in Offline Mode, idle :p Dec 10 17:23:07 blackthorne: your N900 is new? Dec 10 17:23:10 or used? Dec 10 17:23:13 luke-jr: I've seen it do that when not in offline mode :P Dec 10 17:23:19 new, it hasn't more than a week Dec 10 17:23:28 200 euros Dec 10 17:23:37 :) Dec 10 17:23:39 alterego, anyways, I'm not making the switch on the N900 Dec 10 17:23:47 Actually Maemo is quite well-balanced. I was afraid it would be something like Zaurus , "pocked desktop" with extremely questionable PDA usability, but it turned out to be just fine. Dec 10 17:23:56 s/pocked/pocket/ Dec 10 17:23:56 Arkenoi meant: Actually Maemo is quite well-balanced. I was afraid it would be something like Zaurus , "pocket desktop" with extremely questionable PDA usability, but it turned out to be just fine. Dec 10 17:23:57 so, I'd rather be the captain that goes down with the sinking ship Dec 10 17:24:00 MohI'm not telling you to switch, I'm telling you to align :P Dec 10 17:24:05 Help, Dec 10 17:24:22 help with what? Dec 10 17:24:27 Arkenoi: actually, Maemo and Zaurus aren't so different Dec 10 17:24:29 I know it's not ready yet, but the more we push the quicker it will become a viable, and better maemo replacement. Dec 10 17:24:44 I tried getting the SDK installed, it keeps telling me the URL can't be resolved or whatever, so I was like meh, and left it Dec 10 17:24:53 MohammadAG: there is a lot of things that need doing :P Dec 10 17:24:55 kept* Dec 10 17:24:59 luke-jr, but i refused to buy Zaurus because it sucked as PDA big time. Dec 10 17:25:05 Heh Dec 10 17:25:21 alterego, FYI, while I had no knowledge in programming a year ago, I had the Maemo 5 SDK installed since September 2009 Dec 10 17:25:42 i had "pocket desktop PCs" sine 1994 and i know it sucks :-) Dec 10 17:25:47 ooOOOOoo :P Dec 10 17:25:58 well, it ruled until "real" PDAs came to the scene Dec 10 17:26:04 Any way to "share" a webpage? Dec 10 17:26:07 I'm considering this gadget as n900 emergency charger Dec 10 17:26:08 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Emergency-charger-External-Battery-Pack-/120640014648?pt=UK_AudioTVElectronics_PDAsAccessories_PDACharger&hash=item1c16b48938 Dec 10 17:26:14 MohammadAG: my point is, I'm not going to be around much longer, in #maemo, so if you want me I'll be there :P Dec 10 17:26:14 (palm does not qualify, though) Dec 10 17:26:35 alterego, and while the instructions weren't noob friendly, they worked, unlike http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Getting_started_with_the_MeeGo_SDK_for_Linux#Install_MeeGo_Target Dec 10 17:26:46 alterego, I'm on #meego, have been for about two months I think Dec 10 17:26:56 pfft Dec 10 17:26:59 #meego-meeting too, forgot to part Dec 10 17:27:32 Arkenoi: PDAs suck. get over it. Dec 10 17:27:53 Arkenoi: I was always quite happy with my Zaurus Dec 10 17:27:59 meh, it's downloading now Dec 10 17:28:19 Heh Dec 10 17:28:30 well, i was relatively happy with Prolinear pocket PC and HP 200lx Dec 10 17:28:44 early WinCE sucked and so Palm did Dec 10 17:28:44 Well, mtf is buiklding quite nicely for me in scratchbox Dec 10 17:28:56 If I get it working I'll upload the new version to -devel Dec 10 17:29:00 Arkenoi: Windows always sucks Dec 10 17:29:01 mtf=? Dec 10 17:29:04 Palm was only a PDA Dec 10 17:29:11 Then I'll see about porting meego-core apps Dec 10 17:29:16 meegotouch Dec 10 17:29:26 Zaurus/Maemo = handheld laptops Dec 10 17:29:28 not PDAs/phones Dec 10 17:29:30 ...framework, got it Dec 10 17:29:33 Already got a bug report for meego from this ;) Dec 10 17:29:40 but since i got Nokia 9000 i did not ever consider to return to a "pocket desktop". Dec 10 17:29:51 yawn Dec 10 17:29:54 several files wont compile because newlines are missing from the end :D Dec 10 17:29:57 9000? there's a new one, already?! Dec 10 17:29:58 5 and counting Dec 10 17:30:12 alterego: um, C/C++/Qt don't require newlines at all Dec 10 17:30:19 MohammadAG, nope, that was the oldest one :-) Dec 10 17:30:36 luke-jr: wild guess -Wall -Werror Dec 10 17:30:37 Arkenoi: I'm fine with KDE on a C760-sized device Dec 10 17:30:37 1998, actually 9000i Dec 10 17:30:45 luke-jr: they do under some circumstances. Dec 10 17:30:53 macros. Dec 10 17:30:58 Yes Dec 10 17:31:01 Exactly ;) Dec 10 17:31:12 And with certain options Dec 10 17:31:13 strip the \s :P Dec 10 17:31:19 It's a mixture of both. Dec 10 17:31:27 hm, still #ifdefs and such Dec 10 17:32:03 Arkenoi: or were you using the crappy tall Zaurii? Dec 10 17:32:04 The point is, if it doesn't compile with the default compiler flags and settings, it's broken. Dec 10 17:32:16 Here's another one. Dec 10 17:32:23 alterego: if the default compiler flags include -Werror, THAT is broken Dec 10 17:32:25 Oh, this is a real error. Dec 10 17:32:34 debug build I guess. Dec 10 17:32:41 unused variable Dec 10 17:32:50 s/error/warning/ Dec 10 17:32:55 But obviously with these flags .. Dec 10 17:33:02 alterego: if the default compiler flags include -Werror, THAT is broken Dec 10 17:33:07 * MohammadAG stabs 1:40 download time Dec 10 17:33:14 luke-jr: pfft, why? Dec 10 17:33:23 I'm not aware of the C spec saying it is mandatory to have a newline at EOF Dec 10 17:33:31 nor that unused variables are forbidden Dec 10 17:33:31 So? Dec 10 17:34:02 It doesn't really matter that some good practices aren't in the specs. Dec 10 17:34:05 so it's valid C code Dec 10 17:34:08 The spec doesn't tell you how to code well. Dec 10 17:34:15 :P Dec 10 17:34:16 give a scht :P Dec 10 17:35:38 * MohammadAG ponders getting an Aava Dec 10 17:35:59 can you? Dec 10 17:36:15 Hrm, interesting .. Dec 10 17:36:18 * MohammadAG wonders why Dec 10 17:36:40 isn't it available for sale? Dec 10 17:36:41 they do not sell it yet afaik Dec 10 17:37:00 oh :/ Dec 10 17:38:30 you dont want aava anyway :P Dec 10 17:39:16 cause I cba to backup my SD card, dd an image to it, restore the backup I made each time I need to update MeeGo Dec 10 17:39:49 Heh, Dec 10 17:39:54 USB HOST MohammadAG :P Dec 10 17:40:01 What are you doing using old micro sd cards :P Dec 10 17:40:07 USB host is the futuuuuuure :D Dec 10 17:40:16 alterego, compile 2.6.35 with the patches, kthxbye Dec 10 17:40:27 Yes, I spent 5 quid on a 4G Micro SD Dec 10 17:40:46 MohammadAG: I mean't why aren't you using external USB devices for your user storage. Dec 10 17:40:50 * MohammadAG had a 4GB microSD card, it shows -110 now Dec 10 17:40:52 Leaving the SD free for MEeGo Dec 10 17:41:09 error -110, unable to initialize or something Dec 10 17:41:21 alterego, I have 3 batteries, and I barely get a day's use Dec 10 17:41:36 O_o Dec 10 17:41:42 You must be some user :P Dec 10 17:42:05 might get another battery tbh Dec 10 17:42:31 Or learn to charge :P Dec 10 17:42:40 alterego, I charge all 3 daily Dec 10 17:42:57 one in the N900, one in an external charger, and the last in the N95 (muhahaha) Dec 10 17:43:30 luke, none of it appeared to be usable in zaurus "golden era". I found semi-reasonable UI to be written somewhere circa 2007 Dec 10 17:43:48 hello luke-jr Dec 10 17:43:54 you awake again? :P Dec 10 17:43:56 or still ... Dec 10 17:44:00 You see, this is why, when I'm using a computer, my N900 is always plugged into it. Dec 10 17:44:01 Lame question probably, but I got my N900 today... I already have a corporate Exchange account, so I can't use it for Google Contacts, Calendar and Mail.. what to do? Dec 10 17:44:49 You can use both Google and Exchange accounts at the same time on your n900.. Dec 10 17:44:54 ooh Dec 10 17:45:09 the source for ohm-plugins-misc has been released! Dec 10 17:45:20 FauxFaux: Yeah but I want the Contacts sync, as far as I understand it you need MfE for that? Dec 10 17:45:28 weren't you complaining about maemo policy stuff being closed?? Dec 10 17:45:35 alterego, funny, I just got the Battery Full notification Dec 10 17:45:40 Heh Dec 10 17:45:48 it's connected to my PC when I'm using Qt Creator Dec 10 17:45:49 btw do we have sdio? i want to use this thing: http://www.certgate.com/index.php?id=71&L=1 Dec 10 17:45:49 Good for you, you're getting it right then ;) Dec 10 17:45:55 Arkenoi: more like 2004 Dec 10 17:45:58 Roksteady: So synch with the corporate Exhcange..? Dec 10 17:46:05 MohammadAG: stop using it to watch porn whilst its' connected then? :P Dec 10 17:46:05 alterego, still, I don't get a day's use since I'm not near my PC when I'm out Dec 10 17:46:19 FauxFaux: I want to synch with my Gmail account. Dec 10 17:46:31 alterego, who uses a 3" screen for porn when it's connected to a 15" laptop? Dec 10 17:46:39 with HDMI output Dec 10 17:46:54 porn should be criminal >:O Dec 10 17:46:54 Roksteady: 10/17:44:24 < FauxFaux> You can use both Google and Exchange accounts at the same time on your n900.. Dec 10 17:47:00 curious Dec 10 17:47:02 * FauxFaux slaps luke-jr. Dec 10 17:47:10 luke-jr: wat Dec 10 17:47:23 Hetrosexual consensual porn should be illegal, perhaps. ¬_¬ Dec 10 17:47:37 alterego, I do have xVST compiled for it though Dec 10 17:47:48 FauxFaux: you can't consent to abuse Dec 10 17:47:57 luke-jr: are you sersious? Dec 10 17:48:01 *serious Dec 10 17:48:05 ofc Dec 10 17:48:11 xD Dec 10 17:48:15 oh dear. Dec 10 17:48:48 Shapeshifter: <3 Dec 10 17:48:58 does MeeGo support multitouch atm? Dec 10 17:49:07 luke-jr: So I shouldn't be allowed to send you a picture of my pen^Wtits? Dec 10 17:49:25 what's the short cut for installing builddeps? Dec 10 17:49:28 FauxFaux: please don't get him started Dec 10 17:49:30 FauxFaux: not if it's porn Dec 10 17:49:33 apt-get build-dep Dec 10 17:50:22 Hrm, what if the package isn't in the repo .. Dec 10 17:50:25 Oh well, nevermind. Dec 10 17:50:31 xargs :P Dec 10 17:50:32 luke-jr: "let's make it illegal. that will fix all our problems" - oh wait... prostitution is already illegal in many states, and we're seeing how well that is working out. women can't even go to the police if something happens Dec 10 17:50:51 luke-jr: also, what business do *you* have with what other people do with their bodies. Dec 10 17:51:04 Shapeshifter: please, not you too Dec 10 17:51:04 Shapeshifter: I'm not the government. Dec 10 17:51:19 * javispedro finally gets to know the insane logic behind playback policies in maemo.... *drums* Dec 10 17:51:20 and criminals shouldn't expect legal protection Dec 10 17:51:21 wmarone: okay, okay. I'll be quiet. Dec 10 17:51:43 luke-jr: have a nice day living in your dream bubble. Dec 10 17:52:31 luke-jr: the small programm you created for me this morning does work but it pops up a "select connection" window :x Dec 10 17:52:40 Gh0sty: wtf O.o Dec 10 17:52:53 not sure why it tries to make a connection to wifi or 3G for gps ? :/ Dec 10 17:52:59 it doesn't. Dec 10 17:53:07 it opens a phonet socket to talk to GPS Dec 10 17:53:39 but you have to run it as root right? Dec 10 17:53:44 probably Dec 10 17:54:09 someone could probably do it in Python from a user Dec 10 17:54:13 using the Qt APIs Dec 10 17:54:35 as user i get an main: assertion 'ack >=0' failed on line 61 Dec 10 17:54:41 and when I go at it as root ... Dec 10 17:55:09 it gives "no connections available" -> select connection dialog Dec 10 17:55:24 when i dismiss that one I get the cell number in the shell Dec 10 17:55:38 but ... after a while that select connection dialog comes back even ... Dec 10 18:04:36 cj12hs6z Dec 10 18:04:57 us2e99dl4 Dec 10 18:04:59 hmm Dec 10 18:05:04 wrong place Dec 10 18:05:07 :D Dec 10 18:06:32 Gh0sty: maybe it's unrelated Dec 10 18:11:39 nono i restarted my phone ... Dec 10 18:11:41 then its gone Dec 10 18:11:46 and its reproducible :p Dec 10 18:12:30 O.o Dec 10 18:15:02 hold on a sec Dec 10 18:15:20 let me check that against a ps aux ... Dec 10 18:15:24 whats going on exactly ... Dec 10 18:15:55 just gonna connect it to my pc so I have a descent screen to compare :) Dec 10 18:35:20 gpreddy Dec 10 18:51:12 my n900 suddently died =) Dec 10 18:51:17 n900 battery Dec 10 18:51:19 toresbe, wow, you have *several* pdp-11s? I have just one, one VAX and one pdp-11 russian clone Dec 10 18:51:42 according to bme it was at 50%, shutted down, and now it's been emergency charging for ~30 minutes (so it stopped) Dec 10 18:52:55 lol Dec 10 18:53:08 removed battery, inserted again, boots instantely, 50% again Dec 10 18:53:14 *instantly Dec 10 18:56:36 javispedro: shit Dec 10 18:57:12 javispedro: clean the contacts Dec 10 18:57:36 or has cell been too cold/warm? Dec 10 18:57:52 kj Dec 10 18:57:54 aj Dec 10 18:58:01 javispedro: Migy you have joggled it? Dec 10 18:58:22 it was on a table ,but I think DocScrutinizer nailed it with warm->cold Dec 10 18:58:26 javispedro: If so - take the batery out, clean the contacts, and perhaps use a pin or something to bend them ever so slightly harder Dec 10 18:59:27 well. moo. Dec 10 18:59:31 heya javispedro Dec 10 18:59:32 was using SGX so it was quite hot (after the surprise shutdown it had already gotten to room temperature though) Dec 10 19:00:02 hey RST38h, I have some free time so I'll fix preenv git Dec 10 19:00:08 s/I'll/I'm Dec 10 19:00:18 be careful Dec 10 19:00:24 my N810 battery fried ☹ Dec 10 19:00:34 yoooooooo Dec 10 19:01:48 luke-jr: well, if it was the battery one ... :P Dec 10 19:01:50 *only Dec 10 19:05:57 Hi Dec 10 19:06:46 javispedro: you by any lucky incidence got the syslog of this event? Dec 10 19:07:16 DocScrutinizer: nah, don't run syslog and even if I do I usually log to tmpfs Dec 10 19:07:29 :-S Dec 10 19:10:49 syslog and load applet should come with stock system config Dec 10 19:11:36 not worried about nand wear? Dec 10 19:11:56 specially with all the traffic in syslog due to overly verbose gnome debug messages Dec 10 19:12:32 not really. For MP though, yes. Should have init.d/s99syslog-late: Dec 10 19:13:42 Sorry, MP here means? Dec 10 19:14:19 cat /var/log/syslog >>~user/syslog && syslogd -c config.new && rm /var/log/syslog; (MassProduct) Dec 10 19:14:50 ah. Dec 10 19:17:40 also needs logrotate then, for the noobs Dec 10 19:18:02 and cleanup Dec 10 19:18:04 2gb syslog Dec 10 19:18:22 uhm, what? Dec 10 19:18:26 who? where? Dec 10 19:18:41 DocScrutinizer: when ~/user/syslog isn't cleaned Dec 10 19:18:52 [2010-12-10 20:17:36] and cleanup Dec 10 19:21:36 * DocScrutinizer wonders how to heat up his dev device :-P Dec 10 19:23:10 since Nokia still refuses to give hints about how to handle such a situation, when replacing bme, I guess we're on our own for testing limits and reaction tactics Dec 10 19:23:52 s/testing/finding out about/ Dec 10 19:23:54 DocScrutinizer meant: since Nokia still refuses to give hints about how to handle such a situation, when replacing bme, I guess we're on our own for finding out about limits and reaction tactics Dec 10 19:24:42 DocScrutinizer: run a fullscreen game all while downloading from 3g :) Dec 10 19:25:04 hummm Dec 10 19:25:12 DocScrutinizer: be sure to make a loud stink and blame Nokia if you make it explode Dec 10 19:25:58 My device is coincidentally in the oven. Dec 10 19:26:18 blame? blame???? I'll sue them from EU to USA and back! Dec 10 19:26:26 ~60C for a couple of days - it got a little damp. Dec 10 19:26:32 and then sue it again! Dec 10 19:26:36 And was doing wierd things. Dec 10 19:26:51 So, just in case Dec 10 19:28:18 DocScrutinizer, is your power button broken as in doesn't click? Or doesn't get detected? Dec 10 19:29:16 see, Nokia says they can't release info about battery management as that's legally questionable. Regarding liability and responsibility. I however say I asked them several times, and they knew I'm already messing around with charging, and I asked them how to do it safe way. They refused to help. MAybe that's also some kind of responsibility the had Dec 10 19:29:30 MohammadAG: both Dec 10 19:30:10 DocScrutinizer, open the device and move the motherboard a bit Dec 10 19:30:22 apparently, the buttons are just a rubber piece that clicks a button under it Dec 10 19:30:59 aah, no. it clicks fine Dec 10 19:31:34 but needs a very special touch to actually work sometimes Dec 10 19:31:51 special device I guess ;P Dec 10 19:32:10 yeah, special nokia treatment Dec 10 19:32:20 too much for a small switch Dec 10 19:34:24 weren't the vikings from Finland? Or Norway? umm Dec 10 19:36:38 moin Dec 10 20:00:34 moin Dec 10 20:04:25 im trying to create a .deb Dec 10 20:04:59 when i try dpgk-buildpackage inside the scratchbox it gives an error Dec 10 20:05:01 : Scratchbox has unsatisfying version: debhelper 5.0.42 Dec 10 20:05:16 what the hell? Dec 10 20:06:15 It's unsatisfying. Dec 10 20:07:05 i figured that much, thank you. Dec 10 20:08:55 hi, i don't see pictures in evopedia, using this Wikipedia en (2010-06-22) (10.5 GB, via BitTorrent) Dec 10 20:09:08 dump Dec 10 20:09:18 * DocScrutinizer hums the notorious Roling Stones song Dec 10 20:11:53 hello? Dec 10 20:13:26 "unsatisfying" version? Dec 10 20:13:41 is this a non C locale translated message, or is it the original one? Dec 10 20:14:07 * DocScrutinizer starts to sing loud "I can get no!!! Sa Tis Fac Tion!!" Dec 10 20:14:42 original Dec 10 20:15:32 US prosecutors plan to file spying charges against Julian Assange soon in connection with the publishing of secret diplomatic memos on the WikiLeaks website. Dec 10 20:15:41 "Serious, active investigation" Dec 10 20:15:58 * RST38h snickers Dec 10 20:16:23 lamers Dec 10 20:16:30 ooo i like this, my football team finally get a match shown on tv, and i watch, they score... yay good timing Dec 10 20:16:30 clowns Dec 10 20:16:41 juk: probably the images were not included Dec 10 20:16:46 morons Dec 10 20:16:51 not morons, no Dec 10 20:16:59 erstazi: ah Dec 10 20:17:29 juk: I used the tarball from the earlier date (2010-01-??) as it is a "complete dump" Dec 10 20:17:42 just setting goals alien to common sense Dec 10 20:18:17 What kind of a world do we live in when a film as crap as Twilight gets so much acknowledgement :( Dec 10 20:18:24 I'm getting so sick of the adverts Dec 10 20:18:31 IT'S SO GAY! Dec 10 20:18:36 alterego: no joke Dec 10 20:18:37 * DocScrutinizer picks up Homeland Security CEO on his way home, and beats him up for all the bad things CIA and FBI and NSA ever did Dec 10 20:18:43 Why don'tyou turn the television off then? Dec 10 20:18:53 erstazi: thanks, getting one Dec 10 20:18:55 Because I'm watching Star Trek 4! Dec 10 20:18:58 i lie, 2 goals!!! Dec 10 20:18:58 w000p Dec 10 20:18:59 A real film :D Dec 10 20:19:17 alterego: Get it off torrent and watch it on a computer Dec 10 20:19:24 Or plug computer into your tv Dec 10 20:19:28 pfft, but its' on now :P Dec 10 20:19:42 Waste of bandwidth, especially going through my phone ^.^ Dec 10 20:19:45 30 minutes and it will be "on" your computer Dec 10 20:20:16 In 30 minutes Hitman is on! Dec 10 20:50:00 * GAN900 slaps alterego. Dec 10 21:03:18 NooBmonk3y, does QtMultimedia work on maemo? Dec 10 21:03:38 MohammadAG, thats like asking how long is a piece of sting! Dec 10 21:03:40 partially ;) Dec 10 21:03:54 the depths of it don't but the playing, recording etc does Dec 10 21:03:58 I need to get volume levels Dec 10 21:03:58 NooBmonk3y, how long is a piece of sting? Dec 10 21:04:02 the hardware part, selecting viewing etc no Dec 10 21:04:13 lcuk, its as long as my empty bottle of wine ;) Dec 10 21:04:13 sigh Dec 10 21:04:29 then I need to find out why I'm getting "volume" instead of the actual level Dec 10 21:05:45 lcuk, http://www.bevlaw.com/bevlog/fv/bacon-flavored-vodka Dec 10 21:06:12 MohammadAG, i've not succeeded to get that yet, as far as i'm aware its something to do with QT detecting pulse, and pulse not liking qt lol Dec 10 21:06:18 um, did anyone had trouble while packaging with libcairo? Dec 10 21:06:27 specificaly, dpkg-shlibdeps: error: no dependency information found for libcairo.so.2 Dec 10 21:06:46 NooBmonk3y, so pulseaudio's just farting in the face Dec 10 21:06:48 nice Dec 10 21:06:49 NooBmonk3y, THANKS! Dec 10 21:06:52 added to christmas list Dec 10 21:07:00 i agree!!! :0 Dec 10 21:07:03 want my address to send it? hehehe Dec 10 21:07:10 other way round :P Dec 10 21:07:15 asking santa for it for myself Dec 10 21:07:16 :D Dec 10 21:07:18 MohammadAG, farting is the polite terminology Dec 10 21:07:30 supposedly new qt version may sort it, not holding my breath Dec 10 21:08:00 #include fixes it! Dec 10 21:08:36 OMG! Lcuk!!! i've found the holy grail!! http://www.baconfreak.com/swine-and-wine-club-redwine.html Dec 10 21:08:59 * NooBmonk3y needs to become a life long member Dec 10 21:09:30 NooBmonk3y, swine n guinness Dec 10 21:09:55 lcuk, that actually sounds quite dangerous, a bit like absynth and bacon... sits at the bottom of the stomach, and explodes lol Dec 10 21:10:23 * lcuk raises an eyebrow Dec 10 21:10:26 personal experience? Dec 10 21:10:44 the green elixor that oinks. Dec 10 21:10:56 lardman_, heh did you smell the conversation? Dec 10 21:11:00 OMG! Lcuk!!! i've found the holy grail!! http://www.baconfreak.com/swine-and-wine-club-redwine.html Dec 10 21:11:20 ooh lbt too :P Dec 10 21:11:47 yu said b'con ? Dec 10 21:12:09 NooBmonk3y, not as dangerous as http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=wmM00LDnLBI ! Dec 10 21:12:19 (might be fake, but it looks fun *laughs*) Dec 10 21:13:51 is the source code available for the nokia youtube uploader app ( http://store.ovi.com/content/39065?clickSource=publisher+channel ) ?? Dec 10 21:13:54 Hahahaaaaaaaaaaaaaa Dec 10 21:13:56 lmfao! Dec 10 21:14:04 that slowmo has made my day! Dec 10 21:14:18 npm, probably - not Dec 10 21:14:41 hmmm... but i thought this was linux ... :-/ Dec 10 21:14:55 Linux doesn't have to be FOSS :P Dec 10 21:15:05 hey nicolai :) Dec 10 21:16:07 Hi! Dec 10 21:16:26 evening Aranel Dec 10 21:20:05 NooBmonk3y: good evening to you too =) Dec 10 21:22:08 :) Dec 10 21:23:50 WHEN??? is this blue highlight on missed calls in calls list supposed to vanish? Dec 10 21:24:29 when you click it Dec 10 21:24:31 seems never Dec 10 21:24:44 nope, doesn't do anything Dec 10 21:24:49 try bleach Dec 10 21:24:52 corrupt /home? Dec 10 21:26:30 nah Dec 10 21:27:23 this "phone" is such a crap Dec 10 21:28:28 let's rewrite it! Dec 10 21:28:36 I'm all in Dec 10 21:29:28 call-ui, call-history, contacts, ... ~nuke! Dec 10 21:29:40 how big is call-ui Dec 10 21:32:06 the binary? Dec 10 21:33:14 IroN900:~# ll /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui.launch Dec 10 21:33:16 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 102752 2010-04-16 16:11 /usr/bin/rtcom-call-ui.launch Dec 10 21:34:18 *burp* Dec 10 21:44:27 quite small Dec 10 21:44:36 considering that part of it is ui code Dec 10 21:49:13 UI is easy to recode, but nobody's coding for maemo anymore Dec 10 21:53:01 got mail, type /server 1 to read it. Dec 10 21:53:48 * lcuk slaps troll :P Dec 10 21:53:57 * You`ve failed. Dec 10 21:54:12 * lcuk tries again Dec 10 21:54:32 Heh Dec 10 21:54:35 * You`ve failed. Again. Dec 10 21:54:42 haha Dec 10 21:56:45 if there are any x-plane pilots here, this might be of interest http://coshacks.blogspot.com/2010/12/extplane-panel-for-x-plane.html Dec 10 21:57:27 you know the 3d effect on the home screen, does anyone else think it's odd how you drag the background and not the foreground? Dec 10 21:58:14 neat Dec 10 21:58:50 neat Dec 10 21:58:52 alterego, install live-wallpaper, you'll lose the feeling Dec 10 21:59:37 MohammadAG: I like it, I'd just prefer it if I was dragging the foreground and the background moved in perspective. Dec 10 21:59:57 alterego, hildon-desktop and hildon-home are open ;) Dec 10 22:00:07 but indeed I like it, it's mindfuck :P Dec 10 22:00:18 s/it/it\ too/ Dec 10 22:00:18 MohammadAG meant: but indeed I like it\ too, it's mindfuck :P Dec 10 22:00:26 fuck you infobot Dec 10 22:00:41 you're supposed to escape the space with that \, not display it! Dec 10 22:01:19 heh Dec 10 22:01:35 hehe Dec 10 22:01:39 you don't need to escapespaces i didn't think Dec 10 22:01:49 s/escape/escape / Dec 10 22:01:50 alterego meant: you don't need to escape spaces i didn't think Dec 10 22:02:02 :) Dec 10 22:02:08 I do for most sh commands Dec 10 22:02:11 ~botsmack Dec 10 22:02:11 OWW! Dec 10 22:03:40 ~girl Dec 10 22:03:40 "If you don't believe in the existence of evil, you have a lot to learn", or very exciting to be with, enjoying and best of all they are very soft :) Dec 10 22:04:02 Hah Dec 10 22:05:11 lol Dec 10 22:05:37 ~alterego Dec 10 22:05:38 hmm... alterego is a nice person who is always ready to help with all kinds of weird stuff. he can also answer any Qt-related question Dec 10 22:05:56 alterego, what' Dec 10 22:06:02 sigh, fail :P Dec 10 22:06:03 Heh Dec 10 22:06:05 alterego, what's Qt in arabic Dec 10 22:06:11 see? gotcha! Dec 10 22:06:28 isn't qt short of cute? Dec 10 22:06:41 Qt sand Dec 10 22:06:53 You`ve, think so Dec 10 22:06:56 which should have some representantion in arabic too Dec 10 22:07:08 your inglish is failing you on this one Dec 10 22:07:08 Hrm, couldn't think of a joke to do with arabs Dec 10 22:07:09 I just spell it as Cute-y Dec 10 22:07:28 You`ve, English* :p Dec 10 22:07:28 you mean cutie? Dec 10 22:07:35 :) Dec 10 22:07:41 cutee Dec 10 22:07:51 not exactly, since I spell Qt as it is, cue, tee Dec 10 22:07:52 cootie? Dec 10 22:07:56 Same Dec 10 22:08:11 MohammadAG: yeah, all the real coders call it cute :P Dec 10 22:08:16 I just can't think of it as Cute Mutlimedia for example Dec 10 22:08:27 or cute mobility Dec 10 22:08:32 You'll call it when you get more proficient ;) Dec 10 22:08:33 cootie mobility Dec 10 22:08:34 since it's not my definition of cute :P Dec 10 22:08:59 Heh Dec 10 22:09:02 alterego, I see :P Dec 10 22:09:11 Mobility is pretty cool tbh Dec 10 22:09:20 yeah, wrappers are nice ;) Dec 10 22:09:27 pads? Dec 10 22:09:28 :) Dec 10 22:09:42 lol pervert Dec 10 22:09:57 * You`ve said that wrappers are nice Dec 10 22:10:22 Abstraction conver _wrappers_ actually :P Dec 10 22:10:38 s/conver/covered/ Dec 10 22:10:39 alterego meant: Abstraction covered _wrappers_ actually :P Dec 10 22:12:14 * You`ve joined channel #maemo. Press 1 to talk in english, 2 to talk in spanish, 3 to yawn. Dec 10 22:12:34 3 Dec 10 22:12:42 * You`ve yawned. Dec 10 22:12:50 sweet Dec 10 22:12:59 wow, didn't know that! Dec 10 22:13:09 3 Dec 10 22:13:10 2 Dec 10 22:13:11 1 Dec 10 22:13:16 * You`ve yawned. Dec 10 22:13:16 * MohammadAG laughs Dec 10 22:13:38 hmm Dec 10 22:13:40 2 && 3 Dec 10 22:13:54 only 3 works, to be honest Dec 10 22:13:56 :) Dec 10 22:14:11 Heh Dec 10 22:14:17 * MohammadAG types 911 Dec 10 22:14:39 how do you yawn in second person? Dec 10 22:14:58 Starting to forget when tmo was actually any good. Dec 10 22:15:11 i guess it never was tbh Dec 10 22:15:13 8x0 times? Dec 10 22:16:31 anyway, anyone tried 2.6.37-rc on n900? Dec 10 22:16:34 Meh, I never really liked tmo Dec 10 22:16:47 Nope Dec 10 22:17:18 .36.2 maybe? Dec 10 22:17:43 OMAP3: DMA: Errata i541: sDMA FIFO draining does not finish Dec 10 22:17:48 this patch looks interesting Dec 10 22:18:29 I'm using .35.2 I think Dec 10 22:18:43 which also has similar patch for omap2 too Dec 10 22:18:55 omap: dma: Fix buffering disable bit setting for omap24xx Dec 10 22:19:20 alterego, with maemo? o_O Dec 10 22:19:35 so another our of pocket question, how can i reset dsp tasks on 8x0 ? Dec 10 22:19:58 after my app crashes 4 times with dsptask open i get only device busy Dec 10 22:20:05 *out of pocket Dec 10 22:20:15 is sDMA used for anything right now? Dec 10 22:20:21 audio? Dec 10 22:20:26 http://www.kernel.org/pub/linux/kernel/v2.6/ChangeLog-2.6.36.2 Dec 10 22:20:31 changelog is here Dec 10 22:20:34 MohammadAG: no, of course not :P Dec 10 22:20:39 just find the strings Dec 10 22:21:08 The issue can be easily reproduced by creating overrun situation while recording audio. Dec 10 22:21:18 so i guess it's quite realistic bug Dec 10 22:21:49 axel is awesome Dec 10 22:22:04 alterego, does MeeGo currently have a repo? Dec 10 22:23:01 * GAN900 murders a stupid redneck piece of shit. Dec 10 22:23:06 Yes, that's how you build custom images Dec 10 22:23:19 Redneck blood and dpkg? Dec 10 22:23:21 alterego, I mean something like extras-devel Dec 10 22:23:30 If you have cbuild, you get your own personal repo Dec 10 22:23:51 to actually start pushing packages for when MeeGo reaches the N9 Dec 10 22:23:56 or whatever it's going to be called Dec 10 22:24:03 That wont work Dec 10 22:24:18 N9 is deb Dec 10 22:24:33 aava? Dec 10 22:24:43 obs fremantle will be cool Dec 10 22:25:01 then presuambly we'll have obs harmattan too Dec 10 22:25:34 So you can build apps simultaneously for fremantle harmattan and meego Dec 10 22:25:50 When its' finished at leas Dec 10 22:25:51 t Dec 10 22:25:54 I would not be surprised if MeeGo compliant RPMs were installable on Harmattan too Dec 10 22:26:07 possibly Dec 10 22:26:13 but no one knows Dec 10 22:26:24 and I don't think its' that likely Dec 10 22:26:50 * alterego contemplates building a harmatten image Dec 10 22:28:13 Or at least an image based on debian with harmatten components and bins from meego Dec 10 22:28:25 and meego core apps Dec 10 22:40:18 * You`ve been disconnected. Dec 10 23:35:52 hmm Dec 10 23:36:01 MeeGo 1.1.80 > 1.0.99 Dec 10 23:36:40 except for the bright red LED that's there for no apparent reason Dec 10 23:49:32 So is it a Tracker issue that images isn't showing the photo I took of the scumbag's license plate today. . . . Dec 10 23:59:14 hi Dec 10 23:59:48 is there any sim card on/off switcher? or even a scheduler? Dec 11 00:00:37 You mean to turn off the modem? Dec 11 00:00:46 there is an app I think Dec 11 00:00:49 I forget the name Dec 11 00:01:05 And online/offline mode does it too (though od course kills wifi/bt) Dec 11 00:01:38 hey, that is enough Dec 11 00:02:01 is it on profiles? Dec 11 00:03:31 how can I easily turn it online/offline? Dec 11 00:04:32 Press power - offline mode Dec 11 00:05:11 http://maemo.org/packages/view/cell-modem-ui/ Dec 11 00:05:13 Or that Dec 11 00:06:38 or tablet mode though i think that may be an app Dec 11 00:07:04 though i think that leaves bt and maybe wifi Dec 11 00:09:50 is it normal for the device to get hot when using meego? Dec 11 00:11:14 MohammadAG, bug 7790, being worked on at the moment, requires kernel hackery and upstreaming but theres people with it so I hear Dec 11 00:11:15 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/7790 Calendar generates .ics-files it can't read itself(!) Dec 11 00:11:26 errr crap, you shouldv asked on meego Dec 11 00:24:02 now I am looking for a way to schedule online/offline periods Dec 11 00:24:28 with my sim/wifi/bt on my n900 Dec 11 00:32:33 I'm unsure - I think clockd does this, but I've never used it Dec 11 00:33:36 alarmed? Dec 11 00:33:37 it should Dec 11 00:34:57 damn it's quiet in here tonight Dec 11 00:35:43 thank you, will try it Dec 11 00:38:54 bye, ty Dec 11 00:48:40 yes MohammadAG, it is. Dec 11 00:51:48 err, no QWebkit.h file o_O Dec 11 01:01:05 Arkenoi: cool, a Soviet PDP-11? (They were made in Ukraine, weren't they?) Dec 11 01:02:45 MohammadAG: there is no qwebkit methinks Dec 11 01:02:47 http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7-snapshot/qtwebkit.html Dec 11 01:02:54 "#include " Dec 11 01:03:16 ieatlint, err, I know that, it's missing from meego's image Dec 11 01:03:27 ah Dec 11 01:03:32 it's a plugin i think.. not sure Dec 11 01:03:36 perhaps an extra package to install? Dec 11 01:04:10 is "qt-webkit" package on my desktop os, for instance Dec 11 01:05:14 toresbe, iirc, yes, it is CM-1425, afair it is "elektronmash" or something Dec 11 01:05:50 it has imported j-11 inside, though it was said there is pin-compatible soviet clone of that cpu Dec 11 01:06:27 i also own an 11/34 Dec 11 01:07:27 http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/mainroom.jpg (quite old photo, you may see nokia 9500 there :-) Dec 11 01:12:16 ieatlint, libqt4-dev is installed Dec 11 01:12:20 it should get all packages Dec 11 01:12:48 plugins are usually separate Dec 11 01:13:05 classes starting with Qt instead of just Q indicate plugins methinks Dec 11 01:14:12 ieatlint, it compiles fine for maemo, and ubuntu, it's a meego issue Dec 11 01:14:19 ok.. Dec 11 01:15:16 i'll note one last thing... on maemo, the package is libqt4-webkit Dec 11 01:18:44 apt-cache show libqt4-dev | grep Depends: Dec 11 01:18:45 you Dec 11 01:18:50 you'll find it there, I'm sure Dec 11 01:50:47 mornin' all Dec 11 01:57:46 morning johnx \0 Dec 11 01:59:04 morning johnx \o Dec 11 01:59:26 so what's new in the world? Dec 11 01:59:26 oooh @ hot topic on #meego Dec 11 01:59:31 ^^ johnx Dec 11 01:59:46 * lolloo agrees Dec 11 02:00:14 johnx, do you have snow and general coldness over there atm? Dec 11 02:01:03 nah. we had snow earlier. now it's just turned into a regular NW US winter: coolish, overcast and rainy Dec 11 02:01:13 * lcuk goes and builds liqcalendar packages Dec 11 02:01:20 heh johnx Dec 11 02:01:26 we hadsnow snow snow snow Dec 11 02:01:33 then the wind changed and melted it all Dec 11 02:02:34 I <3 snow driving Dec 11 02:02:37 good morning Dec 11 02:02:58 johnx, i do when properly prepared for it Dec 11 02:03:02 mornin' Termana Dec 11 02:03:37 rain only here Dec 11 02:03:41 boho Dec 11 02:04:26 same here now Dec 11 02:04:42 the forcast for the next 7 days just shows the rain icon :| Dec 11 02:05:00 hehehe depressing Dec 11 02:05:25 been saying that since end of november, but that's business as usual here Dec 11 02:05:29 snow would be a nice change Dec 11 02:05:48 I agree, send me some snow please Dec 11 02:05:50 lcuk, resend liqcalendar to the repos Dec 11 02:07:45 Snow Dec 11 02:07:48 What's that? Dec 11 02:08:04 GAN900, the reason I have an AWD car Dec 11 02:08:27 I wholeheartedly agree. You can send me some snow. We (basically) don't get it here :p Dec 11 02:08:40 I might rain this weekend. Dec 11 02:08:43 I think it's banned here Dec 11 02:08:47 s/I/It/ Dec 11 02:08:48 they confuse it with cocaine you see Dec 11 02:08:49 GAN900 meant: It might rain this weekend. Dec 11 02:09:10 MohammadAG, heh Dec 11 02:09:15 MohammadAG, must be hard to find flour and sugar ... Dec 11 02:09:46 johnx, well, there's brown sugar and Dec 11 02:09:50 * MohammadAG thinks Dec 11 02:10:12 wholegrain flour? Dec 11 02:10:16 I hate you :P Dec 11 02:10:18 Unbleached flour. Dec 11 02:10:38 :D Dec 11 02:12:11 hehe Dec 11 02:14:51 Rain!!! About freaking time Dec 11 02:16:16 wow long time eh? Dec 11 02:16:34 I bet it wont last long like here. Dec 11 02:17:16 it's prolly only today/night Dec 11 02:17:24 no snow I guess Dec 11 02:17:29 anyways, night Dec 11 02:18:07 night MohammadAG (and if you want rain, just head my way) Dec 11 02:18:33 free ticket? Dec 11 02:18:53 the rain is free. room+board are extra Dec 11 02:19:13 hehehe Dec 11 02:19:19 johnx, you could email some to him Dec 11 02:19:37 packaging will suffice Dec 11 02:19:46 "attachment too big, limit is 3 inches of rain per message" Dec 11 02:19:51 hehe Dec 11 02:20:08 thats look like MSN email Dec 11 02:20:34 limitation on everything! Dec 11 02:21:22 johnx, span the rain over multitple messages? Dec 11 02:21:40 just a light shower, followed by a persistent downpour Dec 11 02:23:23 I'll just put it up on my website **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Dec 11 02:59:57 2010