**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Dec 14 02:59:57 2010 Dec 14 03:13:11 finally got QtCreator to work with Scratchbox :)\ Dec 14 03:13:21 but no code completion :( Dec 14 03:16:47 howdy Dec 14 03:24:23 Is there a way to set the wallpaper from the command line? Dec 14 03:24:31 yes Dec 14 03:24:39 gconf2 -somethin Dec 14 03:24:47 What is that something? Dec 14 03:25:43 gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/3/bg-image -t string /home/user/yr/meteogram.png Dec 14 03:25:45 For example Dec 14 03:26:03 Ah, crap. How could I forget that. Thanks. Dec 14 03:26:16 The power of grep! Dec 14 03:26:26 Hah! Dec 14 03:33:47 How do I determine the current amount of views? Dec 14 03:34:13 ? Dec 14 03:34:22 oh Dec 14 03:34:26 Dunno Dec 14 03:34:35 there is one for each desktop Dec 14 03:34:42 I don't know how you determine the current Dec 14 03:39:26 oooof, new n900 after my microUSB port broke off a couple weeks ago Dec 14 03:41:10 warramtu Dec 14 03:41:12 ? Dec 14 03:41:37 yeah, warrantied, still aggrevating Dec 14 03:41:47 we'll see how much my backup before sending it off restores Dec 14 03:41:49 yup Dec 14 03:42:10 reading up on what's-his-name's analysis of the poor design of the connector is infuriating Dec 14 03:42:36 In some ways it's missing the point Dec 14 03:42:54 The problem is largely the other end of the connector Dec 14 03:43:04 With that huge massive lever Dec 14 03:43:16 what do you mean? Dec 14 03:43:24 The plug Dec 14 03:44:53 let's pretend I've had a horrible monday, and am having trouble thinking clearly, are you referring to the actual plug on the cable? Dec 14 03:44:55 ' Dec 14 03:45:16 yes compare the size of the metal bit, and the size of the plastic bit Dec 14 03:45:52 a 1Kg force up on the end of the strain relief is a 5Kg or so force up on the end of the metal bit - and hence on the end of the connector Dec 14 03:46:31 The argument that it should be through hole is also problematic from a construction point-of-view. Dec 14 03:47:59 What is the closest equivalent of cron on Maemo 5? Dec 14 03:50:44 alarmd clockd Dec 14 03:50:47 something like that Dec 14 03:50:56 in extras I think Dec 14 03:51:00 search on alarm and clock Dec 14 03:54:42 I wonder if maemo will run on this OLPC I got today Dec 14 03:54:50 I'm sure MeeGo won't run for crap on it Dec 14 03:55:00 No Dec 14 03:55:19 maemo is only n800/n810/n900/n770 Dec 14 03:55:37 It has closed-source nokia awesome binaries are required components Dec 14 03:56:16 I am disappoint Dec 14 03:57:22 (these days, it's difficult to determine whether one is speaking lolspeak by intention or not) Dec 14 03:58:13 hah, definitely intentional Dec 14 03:58:54 rtyler: Gentoo ftw Dec 14 03:59:06 =) Dec 14 04:00:00 * rtyler dies Dec 14 04:00:21 * luke-jr inherits rtyler's OLPC Dec 14 04:00:30 win Dec 14 04:00:54 preventing gentoo from being installed on this machine has given me new purpose and reason to keep on living ;) Dec 14 04:01:42 fail Dec 14 04:02:26 rtyler: cmon, if my N810 and N900 can handle Gentoo, so can your OLPC Dec 14 04:02:40 I'm pretty sure both those devices are of better hardware :P Dec 14 04:03:06 o rly? Dec 14 04:03:19 this thing is garbage :p Dec 14 04:03:27 430Mhz AMD Geode processor with 256MB RAM Dec 14 04:03:40 if Nokia hadn't of stinged on the RAM for the n900, it'd destroy the olpc Dec 14 04:04:03 N810 is 400 MHz w/ 128 MB RAM Dec 14 04:04:11 ah, okay then Dec 14 04:04:13 couldn't remember Dec 14 04:09:48 Besides that, an x86 running at 430mhz (or even clocked at 400mhz) is generally going to be faster than an ARM processor clocked at the same speed Dec 14 04:10:46 depends on the bus speed. Dec 14 04:10:58 The memory bus can be faster for some workloads Dec 14 04:11:32 Termana: wtf? Dec 14 04:11:37 that's totally backwards Dec 14 04:11:44 x86 is slower than ARM generally Dec 14 04:13:02 luke-jr, are you kidding yourself? Just because the processor has less instructions to run through doesn't mean that it will be faster Dec 14 04:14:02 x86 has less instructions to run through. the thing is they take longer to run Dec 14 04:14:31 FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT FIGHT Dec 14 04:14:33 Depends Dec 14 04:15:20 Some ARMs may have weak integer or FPU Dec 14 04:16:57 well, the speed of the cpu depends of multiple things Dec 14 04:17:18 like depth of the pipeline, clock speed etc. Dec 14 04:17:32 time to update my Maemo 5 install on the new device Dec 14 04:17:33 yay Dec 14 04:57:10 Something tells me, Freenode just split in half and got glued back :p Dec 14 04:59:39 RIDING THE SPLIT Dec 14 05:33:10 is there a way to make my app in scratchbox rotate? Dec 14 05:35:46 I'd prefer a banana split Dec 14 05:36:46 * Gh0sty gives DocScrutinizer a super banana split: banana split with warm chocolate sauce on top! Dec 14 05:36:50 blah, forcing it to portrait mode is very buggy Dec 14 05:36:53 in scratchbox Dec 14 05:37:10 (its pure evil for your weight if you care) Dec 14 05:37:11 woaaaah! GREAT! Dec 14 05:37:32 to top it all off you could also put that on top of a pancake Dec 14 05:37:38 but that is beyond pure evil :p Dec 14 05:37:53 and no, it's absolutely mandatory at *my* weight Dec 14 05:39:44 * DocScrutinizer off to buy some breakfast Dec 14 05:40:20 would you buy some for me too? Dec 14 05:40:27 me 2 Dec 14 06:50:15 DocScrutinizer, why you sending me DCC? Dec 14 06:50:27 pretzel Dec 14 06:50:45 DCC Xfer Bounce (DocScrutinizer): Timeout waiting for incoming connection [88.198.116.132:54869] Dec 14 06:50:45 [2010-12-14 06:39:36] me 2 Dec 14 06:51:06 ? Dec 14 06:51:33 blah this is a pita Dec 14 06:51:40 Oh sorry, should have asked what you like for breakfast Dec 14 06:51:46 trying to find a good design to come up with for my application Dec 14 06:52:03 DocScrutinizer, Sausage, scrambled eggs, tons of bacon Dec 14 06:52:05 :D Dec 14 06:52:50 and tomorrow I get my phone Dec 14 06:58:25 comawhite, that's dangerous Dec 14 06:59:33 Termana, eh? Dec 14 06:59:48 comawhite, eating a phone for breakfast Dec 14 06:59:55 :D Dec 14 07:00:04 :S* Dec 14 07:00:47 You said that today you would like for breakfast: sausage, scrambled eggs and tons of bacon and tomorrow you get your phone [for breakfast] Dec 14 07:13:07 Termana, no, as it was two separate subjects Dec 14 07:19:49 comawhite, I was making a joke Dec 14 07:19:57 You know - funny ha ha Dec 14 07:22:04 Termana, ah Dec 14 07:28:30 ah, /me sees maemo-devel post about the possibility of pushing Qt Mobility 1.1 to Extras and is pleased Dec 14 07:28:46 I'm trying to run QtCreator inside of scratchbox, I do -display :0 so it will display on my desktop, but I lose the cursor, how can I get it back? Dec 14 07:29:26 no idea, I run it outside Dec 14 07:30:18 so do I but I have issues with headers not being found, so code completion breaks for me, and a mate said run it inside of scratchbox then do -display :0 but no mouse cursor gets shown making it useless, and he doesn't know how to fix it Dec 14 07:33:38 is that a known bug with Xephyr? Dec 14 07:33:46 sounds like that kind of thing Dec 14 07:34:05 idk Dec 14 07:40:20 Anyone tried Boxee? Dec 14 07:40:42 * lardman is thinking about finally building a media centre Dec 14 07:44:29 has anyone seen any example code using the calendar-backend (CCalendar.h headers, etc.) Dec 14 07:44:33 ? Dec 14 07:44:49 hmm, I guess there's that desktop widget... Dec 14 07:48:36 http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/File:Qt_for_Maemo_Calendar_Example.zip fwiw Dec 14 07:49:01 CCalendar.h? looks like an MFC header Dec 14 07:49:02 xD Dec 14 07:49:22 mmmm MFC on n900 Dec 14 07:49:25 * comawhite drools Dec 14 07:49:25 what wud be the problem if my desktop icons are often disappearing.. Dec 14 07:49:38 wud? Dec 14 07:49:42 comawhite: yeah that's what one finds on the interweb, must have the same name Dec 14 07:54:12 hmm, the wonders of iCal files Dec 14 07:55:35 I have serious problem.su doesn't work for me anymore and say su: must be suid to work properly. I forgot my user password for ssh and I want to change it from root but I got that fck error Dec 14 08:02:44 hmm, versit would be good, solve all my problems Dec 14 08:08:45 lardman: Well qtm is not an easy story. Dec 14 08:09:01 is it possible to grade from 32GB to a larger (idono if you can get larger than 32GB) Dec 14 08:09:05 lardman: As we are not the only ones using it, ovi does too. Dec 14 08:09:19 [23:27] ah, /me sees maemo-devel post about the possibility of pushing Qt Mobility 1.1 to Extras and is pleased <--- nice.... Dec 14 08:11:11 X-Fade: I understand, just that having qtm 1.1 + versit would save my buggering about trying to manually parse iCal and vCard files Dec 14 08:11:23 so the sooner they are pushed the better :) Dec 14 08:11:56 lardman: Yeah, talking with the SDK team to see what the plans are. Dec 14 08:12:01 cool :) Dec 14 08:12:19 lardman: Don't want to end up with a mess where we have updated packages on both nokia-apps repo and Extras. Dec 14 08:12:22 that's nice, just wiped an entire day's worth of work of my todo list :) Dec 14 08:12:42 But don't expect it to be there next week. Dec 14 08:12:50 That is _not_ going to happen. Dec 14 08:12:52 X-Fade: no, don't worry :) Dec 14 08:13:16 I'm not against a -experimental version in -devel though. Dec 14 08:13:29 As long as that doesn't end up in Extras ;) Dec 14 08:14:05 hmm, that could be troublesome as I was planning on finally pushing mBarcode to Extras Dec 14 08:15:20 Yeah, well as long as we don't have word from Nokia that they don't want to update qtm, we can't allow that anyway. Dec 14 08:16:28 so basically I'll have to write my own parsers anyway, or statically link the relevant parts of versit, etc., into the app? Dec 14 08:16:52 lardman: It depends on if you are in a hurry. Dec 14 08:17:14 I need to finish writing this IRC library so I can port it to the n900 Dec 14 08:17:17 not especially, but I thought I should get round to it now I have some spare time Dec 14 08:18:01 lardman: You could include the lib in your package for now. And remove it later. Dec 14 08:18:37 yeah, mbarcode from -devel is really pretty. you'd get a vote from me if you put it on -testing (once the packaging stuff gets worked out) Dec 14 08:18:51 lardman: Or extract only the code you need. Dec 14 08:18:55 johnx: packaging stuff? Dec 14 08:19:08 X-Fade: yeah, ok, will have a look at that then Dec 14 08:19:14 I mean whatever you were talking about about the vcard/ical parsing stuff Dec 14 08:19:21 ah sure Dec 14 08:19:36 lardman: But let's see if we get an answer soon. Dec 14 08:20:43 ok sounds good Dec 14 08:20:51 comawhite: http://libircclient.sourceforge.net/ and http://bitbucket.org/jpnurmi/libircclient-qt/wiki/Home why another? Dec 14 08:21:11 X-Fade: while you're here, I have a question about the bugtracker default email addresses and how to add my address so I receive all mBarcode bugs? Dec 14 08:21:16 chx, those lack the functionality I want, plus I already wrote my own Dec 14 08:21:39 since I develop an irc client for KDE, going to attempt a port to N900 but it'd be Qt only Dec 14 08:22:24 lardman: Are you in bugzilla? Dec 14 08:24:33 yes Dec 14 08:25:08 ~lart mintux Dec 14 08:25:09 * infobot decapitates mintux conan the destroyer style Dec 14 08:25:39 X-Fade: for example could the @mbarcode.garage.bugs email redirect to a list of people automatically? Dec 14 08:25:50 moin X-Fade Dec 14 08:26:13 DocScrutinizer, context? Dec 14 08:26:23 johnx: ?? Dec 14 08:26:32 lardman: It works the other way around. You can 'watch' a certain email. Dec 14 08:26:50 you larted something (someone?) I didn't even know about :) Dec 14 08:27:09 lardman: https://bugs.maemo.org/userprefs.cgi?tab=email Dec 14 08:27:12 X-Fade: I tried that yesterday but it just said it didn't recognise that one Dec 14 08:27:14 I was wondering what the context was surrounding the larting Dec 14 08:27:15 [2010-12-14 08:54:43] I have serious problem.su doesn't work for me anymore and say su: must be suid to work properly. I forgot my user password for ssh and I want to change it from root but I got that fck error Dec 14 08:27:24 lardman: 'Add users to my watch list' Dec 14 08:27:35 johnx: NOW (S)HE IS GONE Dec 14 08:27:40 oops sorry Dec 14 08:27:44 capslock Dec 14 08:27:52 lardman: There you add mbarcode@garage.bugs Dec 14 08:28:52 johnx: I was about to toss over a "sudo gainroot" and realized the tab didn't nick-complete Dec 14 08:28:57 DocScrutinizer, the caps have kind of a nice finality in this context. makes you seem very much the evil computer program Dec 14 08:29:10 X-Fade: thanks, must have been user error on my part last night Dec 14 08:29:28 sivang, so compiling git locally did the trick? Dec 14 08:33:12 hey guys.. is there any media player with equilizer facility? Dec 14 08:34:21 i've seen one in tplayer Dec 14 08:41:56 gn Dec 14 08:57:58 hmmm cmake + qt = no maemo support =\ Dec 14 09:06:23 Hello, all.. Dec 14 09:06:59 anyone know what the N900's max video res is? Dec 14 09:07:07 Has anyone here replaced their n900's LCD before? I just -somehow- cracked mine. Odd thing is, digitizer works fine still Dec 14 09:07:15 800x480, lardman Dec 14 09:07:25 video? Dec 14 09:07:32 not the screen Dec 14 09:07:33 (might be 800x488, but close) Dec 14 09:07:38 yes, same for the video Dec 14 09:07:44 ok cool, thanks Dec 14 09:08:05 lardman, decoding? I'd guess that would depend heavily on the codec and encoding Dec 14 09:08:17 no not decoding, the raw frame Dec 14 09:08:30 I think he's talking about video -recording-, right? Dec 14 09:08:36 i.e. what size frame comes from the camera in video mode Dec 14 09:09:14 aaah Dec 14 09:09:41 Why not record something, then play it back on a PC - you can get the frame size easily there Dec 14 09:09:49 Oh, and the camera app is closed source, IIRC Dec 14 09:10:24 RobbieThe1st: because I thought someone might know ;) Dec 14 09:10:54 True, but usually it takes longer to ask than to simply do it... <_< Dec 14 09:11:23 well I'm doing something else at the same time, but yeah Dec 14 09:14:40 So, um, anyone know anything about LCD replacement? Dec 14 09:14:49 No. Dec 14 09:14:56 Contact Nokia Care, etc Dec 14 09:15:59 Eh, I was hoping someone knew something about the $50 OEM replacements on Ebay. Oh, well. Dec 14 09:16:22 They are replacements. You will need to apply your hands to use them. Dec 14 09:16:46 Given that you somehow broke the original display, chances of you successfully replacing it with a new one, by yourself, are low., Dec 14 09:17:03 I meant in terms of "are they actually compatible", or "are they actually 800x480" Dec 14 09:17:51 To be honest, I'm still not sure how it broke - The digitizer still works fine, and there's no visible marks on it. When the screen's on, however, there's a visible crack in it Dec 14 09:18:41 do you have a dog? Dec 14 09:18:58 check for teech imprint on the bottom Dec 14 09:19:12 Ehehe Dec 14 09:19:14 Nope; it was fine last night. Today, I put it in my pocket, I took it out a couple hours later and it had the crack Dec 14 09:19:20 keys? Dec 14 09:19:39 btw, are you sure it is a crack and not a piece of your hair getting under the digitizer layer? Dec 14 09:20:20 Positive. I'll show you a picture - I'm pretty sure that a piece of hair doesn't produce red/green/blue and gray vertical lines in that area of the screen Dec 14 09:20:34 true Dec 14 09:21:09 crashanddie_: yes :) Dec 14 09:21:11 Most local shops will replace the screen for ~400 rubles + cost of the screen (~$100..$120). Dec 14 09:21:14 morning all Dec 14 09:21:28 They are all approximately 11000km from you though Dec 14 09:21:33 heh. Dec 14 09:21:41 hehe Dec 14 09:21:47 crashanddie_: thank you so very much for spotting this, I should have googled the problem but I was sure it was local to my setup or something Dec 14 09:21:49 I'm pretty sure I can replace it myself, provided I get a quality replacement. Dec 14 09:21:49 * RST38h cackles satanically Dec 14 09:22:25 RobbieThe1st, done much work inside phones before? Dec 14 09:23:05 Not phones, per-se; I took apart my N770, my Iriver H320, a 17" LCD desktop screen...(all of which currently work) Dec 14 09:24:01 Robbie: Any of them you put back together? Dec 14 09:24:03 RST38h, I bet you 1 Internet he gets it put back together and working, but I want 2:1 odds Dec 14 09:24:23 As I said, they all still work Dec 14 09:24:48 johnx: "Will he swim? Will he sink? The beast will have his feast tonight!" (C)Humanwine Dec 14 09:24:58 Ok Dec 14 09:25:24 Then there is an N900 servicing guide (apparently leaked from Nokia) which explains the disassembly and replacement process Dec 14 09:25:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66938&page=2 Dec 14 09:25:47 any ideas? (check the last post) Dec 14 09:25:55 It does involve a few steps (like replacing screws with new ones) that you won't be able to repeat, but pretty sane otherwise Dec 14 09:26:45 http://robbiethe1st.afraid.org/images/IMGP2668.JPG Dec 14 09:27:01 delphi: Get the source code (it is in the repo), look at it, debug Dec 14 09:27:09 definitely a hair Dec 14 09:27:26 RobbieThe1st, I bet you ran into something walking Dec 14 09:27:33 johnx: point-blank hair damage Dec 14 09:27:38 maybe a fence? corner of a desk? Dec 14 09:27:52 shit, looks painful Dec 14 09:28:05 Could be, or something else inside my fabric case(I have earphones, usb cable, and extra battery) Dec 14 09:28:16 shot by an airsoft gun? Dec 14 09:28:31 The really odd part is that the screen protector has -no- marks or scratches on it Dec 14 09:28:32 RST38h yeah, i was affraid of that, im not a cpp coder myself (delphi/lazarus) Dec 14 09:28:38 Robbie: Give me your email Dec 14 09:28:55 robbiethe1st@gmail.com Dec 14 09:28:58 delphi: The program itself is not going to be particularly difficult to understand for a delphi coder Dec 14 09:29:25 the code isnt a problem Dec 14 09:29:30 compiling is Dec 14 09:29:40 anyways, ill try it anyways Dec 14 09:29:53 Robbie: sent. Dec 14 09:29:58 TY Dec 14 09:30:20 delphi: May not need to compile, simply look at it and match it to your sdebug output Dec 14 09:30:34 Faheem was the original software author you say? Dec 14 09:30:46 yes Dec 14 09:31:11 sivang, no worries, glad I could help Dec 14 09:31:15 Oh, and the other interesting thing - After this happened, I notice a (I guess 50hz) shimmering in the color. I'm guessing something's slightly unbalanced electrically now. Dec 14 09:32:23 crashanddie_: why do ubuntu packages do such things? or is it in universe so all bets are off Dec 14 09:33:14 sivang, well, they probably did it because curl-gnutls is preferred to openssl or something Dec 14 09:33:23 sivang, or lighter, or simpler, or whatever Dec 14 09:33:48 but bad luck, the specific version of curl-gnutls that comes with Ubuntu has a bug that doesn't allow it to properly parse a TLS connection Dec 14 09:34:12 so it's really a case of bad luck, rather than "Why would they do that?" Dec 14 09:34:28 anyone knows anything about twitter on the n900? Dec 14 09:34:45 argh wrong window, commited my wip changes rather than trying to compile Dec 14 09:34:49 bollocks Dec 14 09:34:56 pardon my french Dec 14 09:35:06 cant get tweego to work on my n900, it starts and everything, but cant get Login button to respond. Dec 14 09:35:56 good morning Dec 14 09:36:05 ~seen MohammadAG Dec 14 09:36:10 mohammadag is currently on #maemo (4h 35m 19s) #meego (4h 35m 19s), last said: 'night peeps'. Dec 14 09:41:08 Robbie: LCDs are powered with alternate current (for electrochemical purposes afaik), so shimmering is natural Dec 14 09:44:00 Yea, but normally the "shimmering" isn't noticeable(or shouldn't be, anyway) Dec 14 09:45:18 I've had a couple of cracked LCDs over the years, but this is the first one to exhibit such shimmering after breaking. Dec 14 09:50:18 hi Dec 14 09:50:23 Hello Dec 14 09:50:46 has anyone tried to set up a multi-monitor setup with an NVidia card on Linux? Dec 14 09:51:51 Venemo, yeah. I have one. what kind of setup are you going for? Dec 14 09:52:29 johnx: I would like to setup an external monitor for my laptop Dec 14 09:52:39 johnx: this I can do with the nvidia-settings application Dec 14 09:53:07 johnx: but if I save the config to the xorg.conf, it complains at next boot that it couldn't apply the configuration (even though it does) Dec 14 09:53:39 johnx: and in this case, if I boot up with the external monitor not plugged in, the screen is blank at login Dec 14 09:54:25 I think that blank at login might actually be normal for the secondary monitor, but my setup is on a desktop Dec 14 09:54:39 the laptop's monitor should be the primary one Dec 14 09:55:00 at least that is the "primary display for the X screen" Dec 14 09:57:03 Robbie: Normally, power isn't leaking all over your LCD :) Dec 14 09:57:18 It only goes where it is designed to go. Dec 14 09:57:34 RST38h: That's sort of what I was thinking. Dec 14 10:00:56 johnx: any ideas? Dec 14 10:02:46 ah, the primary screen is blank at login? hmm, in that case I might have an idea Dec 14 10:05:10 Venemo, what distro is this? Dec 14 10:05:54 johnx: Fedora Dec 14 10:06:02 johnx: plus, I use the properitary drivers Dec 14 10:06:51 right, do you have the nvidia README.txt? I think it might have something about forcing a primary screen Dec 14 10:07:39 johnx: I haven't read it Dec 14 10:07:54 johnx: but the other problem is, it doesn't recognize when I plug out the other screen Dec 14 10:08:06 johnx: so I have to manually config it every time... Dec 14 10:09:01 hmm, dunno then Dec 14 10:09:08 the README.txt still might be helpful Dec 14 10:09:21 like I said though, I set it up on a desktop so it's mostly static config Dec 14 10:12:10 johnx: if you plug a display out, does your machine automatically recognize it? Dec 14 10:12:15 Can i write java apps for maemo? Dec 14 10:12:52 Venemo, sorry, can't really test right now. not at that computer ... Dec 14 10:13:47 bbl Dec 14 10:14:37 johnx: ok, sorry Dec 14 10:20:34 venemo, i had to disable EDID because it was telling me bullshit Dec 14 10:24:24 Lemmings in the Instinctiv thread are switching from disappointment to hate now Dec 14 10:24:31 How typical Dec 14 10:25:24 Arkenoi: how can I do that? Dec 14 10:26:23 Option "ConnectedMonitor" "CRT-0" Dec 14 10:26:23 Option "IgnoreEDID" "TRUE" Dec 14 10:26:23 Option "UseEDID" "FALSE" Dec 14 10:26:23 Option "UseEDIDFreqs" "FALSE" Dec 14 10:26:23 Option "UseEDIDDpi" "FALSE" Dec 14 10:26:24 Option "ModeValidation" "NoEdidModes" Dec 14 10:31:42 Arkenoi: umm... and where should I put this? Dec 14 10:33:26 xorg,conf, Section "Device" Identifier "Device0" Driver "nvidia" Dec 14 10:36:23 thx Dec 14 10:41:12 Venemo, wazzup :P Dec 14 10:43:18 MohammadAG: working on the game Dec 14 10:43:41 MohammadAG: two puzzle pieces can now stick together, but the problem is, the image of the second one disappears for some weird reason Dec 14 10:44:43 morning all, again Dec 14 10:44:49 morning sivang Dec 14 10:44:50 MohammadAG: so HM usb is go? :) Dec 14 10:44:52 hey Venemo Dec 14 10:45:27 Venemo, ask alterego, he knows more than I do Dec 14 10:45:38 sivang, HM = hostmode? yeah Dec 14 10:47:30 MohammadAG: figured it out already :) Dec 14 10:48:15 sivang: sure, toldya yesterday Dec 14 10:52:27 "The Washington Post reports that Ukraine plans to open up the sealed zone around the Chernobyl reactor to visitors" Dec 14 10:52:36 timeless <-- missed his chance! Dec 14 10:56:42 alterego: are you around? Dec 14 10:57:00 always :P Dec 14 10:57:21 DocScrutinizer51: very cool Dec 14 10:57:56 alterego: I may have some questions about the Qt animation framework Dec 14 10:58:07 Venemo: cool Dec 14 11:05:00 alterego: hm, it is simpler than I thought Dec 14 11:05:06 alterego: my first experiment with it worked Dec 14 11:05:23 :) Dec 14 11:05:28 It is simple yes :) Dec 14 11:05:57 Which reminds me, I need to do some benchmarks on using parallel animation groups or linking property signals. Dec 14 11:07:31 alterego, commited anything? :P Dec 14 11:07:59 In a bit Mohammad :P Dec 14 11:08:13 moh + tab Dec 14 11:08:23 I'll do it whilst setting up this fedora vm Dec 14 11:08:33 * alterego waits for image to download Dec 14 11:08:46 why fedora? Dec 14 11:08:55 and what's the host OS? Dec 14 11:09:09 Because I can't generate madde sysroots for meego in ubuntu 10.10 Dec 14 11:09:20 And I'm not in the mood to debug :) Dec 14 11:09:29 Though I might be in the mood later Dec 14 11:09:36 meh, just chroot and export DISPLAY=:0 Dec 14 11:10:28 Meh vm + ssh + nfs :) Dec 14 11:10:39 I don't need the ui Dec 14 11:13:16 just chroot :P Dec 14 11:19:35 alterego: do you have a few minutes? Dec 14 11:20:12 alterego: it seems that I need your help anyway :P Dec 14 11:20:37 Go ahead :) Dec 14 11:22:36 alterego: pm'd you Dec 14 11:23:12 noticed :P Dec 14 11:25:08 I m trying to use the kinect with the nokia n900 (maemo os). Does anyone know if someone else has succeed with it? Dec 14 11:25:18 (hi ) Dec 14 11:26:02 cionos, sounds great idea, but in practice I guess processing kinect data can require some heavy processing.. Dec 14 11:26:50 flux: uhm got it.. so you think that the n900 is too slow? Dec 14 11:27:42 yes Dec 14 11:27:46 isn't it? :P Dec 14 11:27:47 but hey, you can stil try :) Dec 14 11:28:03 perhaps one can go by with fewer frames per second Dec 14 11:28:16 or perhaps the device can be requested to provide smaller images Dec 14 11:29:06 probaby, but you will see lag in performance compared to an xbox :P Dec 14 11:29:13 uhm Dec 14 11:29:25 this is true of course.. Dec 14 11:29:57 but using the kinect with a such small device should be very cool, shouldn t it? Dec 14 11:30:07 it might be lighter than the PS Move though Dec 14 11:31:23 yup Dec 14 11:31:46 Hi there, I uploaded a package to extras-devel yesterday, and got an e-mail saying "[2010-12-13 17:18:01] Processing package qtquickcompat 0.1.0. Uploader: kkoehne, builder: builder2" ... nothing more. Dec 14 11:31:49 uhm another thing.. I was looking for a libusb-dev package for maemo but I didn-t find it Dec 14 11:32:13 Subject was "[fremantle]: qtquickcompat 0.1.0 UNKNOWN". Anything I can do to find out what's wrong with the package / the builder? Upload the package again? Dec 14 11:32:38 maybe I will have to compile by myself Dec 14 11:32:41 cheers Dec 14 11:34:21 sivang: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=895032#post895032 Dec 14 11:35:56 kkoehne: The last thing I see in the logs is that you forgot the architecture: field. Dec 14 11:36:07 DocScrutinizer: cool, thanks Dec 14 11:38:03 X-Fade: Okay, that's a hint, will fix & resubmit :) Dec 14 11:38:05 X-Fade: Thanks. Dec 14 11:38:27 kkoehne: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2010-December/031379.html Dec 14 11:38:55 X-Fade, any news from Nokia legal? got Qt apps compiling on-device Dec 14 11:38:56 X-Fade: Weird that I didn't get the e-mail. Probably marked as SPAM on teh company server :( Dec 14 11:39:09 MohammadAG: what apps? Dec 14 11:39:22 any Dec 14 11:39:35 MohammadAG: what has it got to do with Nokia leagal? :) Dec 14 11:39:57 on device SDK with nokia-binaries Dec 14 11:44:03 MohammadAG: Will try to follow up on that later in the week, busy times... Dec 14 11:47:31 X-Fade, ack Dec 14 11:47:56 do you know why doesn t work the lspci command on maemo ? Dec 14 11:54:01 cionos: is there a pci bus in the N900? Dec 14 11:54:05 hello, I Have new NOKIA N900 Dec 14 11:54:10 And don't know how to open it. Dec 14 11:54:15 Want to insert SIM card there. Dec 14 11:54:19 I'm reading manual. Dec 14 11:54:29 But I'm afraid I will broke it. Dec 14 11:54:58 knoppix_: lol no, yep Dec 14 11:54:58 just use your nail and open it Dec 14 11:55:14 it's hard at first, then it kinda gets easier to open Dec 14 11:58:03 MohammadAG: unintended pun :) just use your nail and open it Dec 14 12:08:43 blah menus in Maemo is confusing Dec 14 12:09:17 * MohammadAG finds the UI cool Dec 14 12:10:11 MohammadAG, me too but it's confusing on how to properly do it Dec 14 12:10:28 you'll get used to it Dec 14 12:17:00 ah okay I understand it now Dec 14 12:18:01 retro|cz: it's rolling up your footnails, but it actually won't break, just goes off incredibly hard. I use to slide along the gap with fingernail to pry it open slightly and loose the latches. Start at the small opening next to right side speaker and slide down and left until where the LED is. Then start again other direction, and cover falls off like magic Dec 14 12:18:44 DocScrutinizer, mine falls of pretty damn quick :P Dec 14 12:18:50 LOL Dec 14 12:18:52 * MohammadAG thanks broken latch at the end Dec 14 12:18:57 off* Dec 14 12:19:02 ~mohammadag Dec 14 12:19:03 i heard mohammadag is your father Dec 14 12:19:09 bah Dec 14 12:19:21 no, you're special Dec 14 12:19:57 :P Dec 14 12:21:01 DocScrutinizer, brtfs is safe to use on the eMMC right? Dec 14 12:21:12 nfc Dec 14 12:21:16 should Dec 14 12:21:27 heard it's made for flash Dec 14 12:22:02 * MohammadAG starts looking at MeeGo on the eMMC Dec 14 12:22:28 tell me when you're there, I'll follow your breadcrumbs Dec 14 12:23:11 ...now that I got this extremely cool uBoot :-D Dec 14 12:23:57 at very least I should know what I'm bitching about :-P Dec 14 12:25:13 heh Dec 14 12:35:13 http://img24.imageshack.us/img24/3467/059textcb.jpg Dec 14 12:35:51 sfw? Dec 14 12:36:30 yeah Dec 14 12:38:01 social darwinism in action Dec 14 12:38:45 lulz, h1 RST38h, hw r u? Dec 14 12:39:06 gr8 m8! Dec 14 12:39:54 bsds skppn vwls hs bn knwn fr ctrs whr y r! Dec 14 12:40:11 well I got my menus up and running now :) Dec 14 12:40:35 * DocScrutinizer throws an "n" at RST38h Dec 14 12:41:02 and a g Dec 14 12:42:45 im shocked at the shitty amount of irc clients available for n900 Dec 14 12:42:47 =\ Dec 14 12:43:03 comawhite, epic4 :-) Dec 14 12:43:19 you only got xchat = (no native look/feel) same with pidgin Dec 14 12:43:29 comawhite: Write your own. Dec 14 12:43:38 irssi :P Dec 14 12:43:39 RST38h what I'm doing right now Dec 14 12:43:44 Or use ssh+screen+irssi like everyone else. Dec 14 12:43:50 screw that Dec 14 12:43:56 comawhite, if you need a (a,b)-tester: let me know Dec 14 12:43:59 There is a native build of irssi Dec 14 12:44:04 Biblio_peb, will do Dec 14 12:44:09 comawhite: Come back once you have written one =) Dec 14 12:44:15 RST38h, hehe Dec 14 12:44:15 And, moo, derf. Dec 14 12:44:33 mo00000000000000oooooooooooooooooooo0o0o Dec 14 12:44:49 Idk if you might like it, it will have plugins, scripting (javascript only), adium themes via webkit Dec 14 12:45:12 Morning, all Dec 14 12:45:18 morn Dec 14 12:45:27 wow i just had one heck of a time getting my phone to boot Dec 14 12:46:12 Biblio_peb, you wouldn't be a Qt developer would you? :P Dec 14 12:48:55 comawhite, nope .. I stay terminal mostly. But wouldn't hesitate to start QT when I've a guide + sparrings-partner. Dec 14 12:49:20 it's pretty easy to use Dec 14 12:50:08 I'm picking code from my desktop irc client mainly and filling in from there and replace some KDE code with pure Qt code where needed Dec 14 12:50:29 though my desktop one is in a incomplete state xD Dec 14 12:51:04 since I don't have a lot of work to do for the n900 port, it should be pretty quick to implement except on the webkit part which will be the hardest Dec 14 12:52:12 anyone know where I find out if there is dbus messages for when you receive a phone call, locked, etc? Dec 14 12:53:19 irssi for the riles Dec 14 12:53:21 rules Dec 14 12:53:22 ;) Dec 14 12:53:29 please Dec 14 12:53:39 I don't care to stare at a terminal :P Dec 14 12:54:02 try managing 40+ channels in irssi Dec 14 12:54:45 yeah run out of keyboard shortcuts at like 30ish Dec 14 12:54:46 :< Dec 14 12:54:58 alt-a to the rescue Dec 14 12:55:08 alt-q I mean :) Dec 14 12:55:13 hmhm wait Dec 14 12:55:18 * Corsac is confused Dec 14 12:55:21 no, alt-a it is :) Dec 14 12:55:31 LOL Dec 14 12:55:33 yeah but i have 30 active channels Dec 14 12:55:34 ;) Dec 14 12:55:43 i have too many Dec 14 12:55:44 frals: ctrl+N Dec 14 12:55:51 and ctrl+P Dec 14 12:56:14 takes a while to go from 30 to 40 that way Dec 14 12:56:14 ;) Dec 14 12:56:36 but im still good, closed queries so down to 28! Dec 14 12:56:40 still have a few keys left Dec 14 12:56:42 frals: when you do it for long, you get good at it :) Dec 14 12:57:24 anyway, back to Zimbra Dec 14 12:58:09 well i'm off to bed, good night guys Dec 14 13:15:11 Hi everyone ! Dec 14 13:16:43 hey Khertan_ Dec 14 13:16:55 Hey MohammadAG Dec 14 13:17:31 import social.libs Dec 14 13:17:36 what's up? Dec 14 13:17:38 :P Dec 14 13:17:53 import social.congratulationlib Dec 14 13:18:09 I see your Media Player rewrite in Qt ... nice work ! Dec 14 13:18:21 still no backend :P Dec 14 13:18:33 MohammadAG: oh ... i'm currently looking for a new job Dec 14 13:18:42 lardman|gone's working on it i think Dec 14 13:18:47 hope something with small interest :) Dec 14 13:18:53 hmm, I'm only 17, can't employ :P Dec 14 13:19:09 :) Dec 14 13:19:17 ask on tmo though Dec 14 13:19:25 It s not a suffisant reason :) Dec 14 13:19:31 (seriously, you might get an answer) Dec 14 13:19:33 ouch ... my english Dec 14 13:19:49 MohammadAG: seriously there isn't only whinner on t.m.o ? Dec 14 13:20:00 s/isn't/aren't Dec 14 13:20:11 well, qole did it once, not sure if he got a job in the end Dec 14 13:20:15 :) Dec 14 13:20:22 Yep ... maybe a maemo news :) Dec 14 13:20:49 with a announce of an update of one of my soft :) Dec 14 13:22:32 and else i 'm currently playing with PySide with Khweeteur Dec 14 13:23:09 get it working on meego :P Dec 14 13:23:10 and except some minor things ... the binding are working well Dec 14 13:23:24 MohammadAG: it should work on Meego too ... Dec 14 13:23:28 theorically ... Dec 14 13:24:00 i ve run it already on window, debian squeeze ... so there is no reason to not work on MeeGo Dec 14 13:28:05 nice job Roxio http://www.google.com/trends?q=%22angry+birds%22 Dec 14 13:42:18 pupnik_: indeed ! Dec 14 13:42:32 Your terms - khweeteur - do not have enough search volume to show graphs. :) Dec 14 13:43:39 pupnik_: they got higher trends than maemo :) http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo,+angry+bird&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Dec 14 13:43:58 and meego :) Dec 14 13:44:03 http://www.google.com/trends?q=maemo,+angry+bird,+meego&ctab=0&geo=all&date=all&sort=0 Dec 14 13:45:06 but i ll believe there result when i see they found something for meego in 2005 Dec 14 13:45:07 :) Dec 14 13:46:33 interesting Dec 14 13:46:48 http://www.meegos.com/ <<< they consider it as many meego :) Dec 14 13:47:37 http://www.google.fr/search?q=meego&hl=fr&prmdo=1&sa=X&ei=4HQHTcT1CNCv8QP1waw3&ved=0CA4QpwU&source=lnt&tbs=cdr:1,cd_min:01/01/2000,cd_max:01/01/2005 Dec 14 13:48:19 pupnik_, rovio? Dec 14 13:48:30 s/there/their Dec 14 13:48:55 oops forgot the name Dec 14 13:49:35 http://reviews.cnet.com/8301-19512_7-20013385-233.html Rovio: Angry Birds at 60,000 downloads a day Dec 14 14:04:51 yeah, but the frustrating part is that it's not there for J2ME, it's available on all other platforms, .... So typical kiddy phones like the Samsung Corby are left out, which results in hijacked phones, ... Dec 14 14:32:52 AAS continues delivering lulz Dec 14 14:33:37 what's that RST38h Dec 14 14:34:18 pupnik: http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/12388_Where_now_for_Nokia_Tomi_has_a.php Dec 14 14:34:21 Enjoy Dec 14 14:35:46 oh Dec 14 14:42:35 afternoon Dec 14 14:43:20 is there a window attribute to enable tap once to select tap twice to open for a list (i.e. replacing double click) or is it a case of remembering whether an item was previously selected? Dec 14 14:54:17 what makes the "[x] use for phonecalls" settings option vanish, in settings->VoIP&Chat->{my sipgate account}->advanced_settings ? Dec 14 14:55:24 the VoIP account is so far correctly setup, as it signals inbound SIP calls - alas imediately as "missed call" without even starting to ring or anything Dec 14 14:55:51 and for outbound calls I can't select this "service" in dialer Dec 14 14:56:44 as obviously this would need above mentioned settings-option in the SIP account config, and that vanished for unknown reason Dec 14 14:58:03 I know I probably should reflash, but prior to that I'd like to find out what is causing this strange error, and who or what created that cause Dec 14 14:59:57 Ah, anyone got a good example of using setIndexWidget() in a QTableView as my widgets (QLabels) don't appear Dec 14 15:03:52 wow, just got a working inbound call, via said SIP account. But on my h-e-n devel phone :-D Dec 14 15:06:36 anybody with a clue about telepathy and rtcom, could you tell me which files to compare on working 1.1.1 vs non-working 1.2 userland device, regarding above described problem with SIP calls? Dec 14 15:11:39 hi Dec 14 15:11:48 somebody hear? Dec 14 15:14:22 moo Dec 14 15:14:48 can you help me with madde and n900? Dec 14 15:15:17 ~ask Dec 14 15:15:18 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Dec 14 15:15:42 mad-admin create n900 -a 192.168.2.15 Dec 14 15:15:58 Copying setup files to runtime failed Dec 14 15:15:59 Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed Dec 14 15:16:06 but ping work Dec 14 15:16:26 ssh work Dec 14 15:16:30 have you install mad-developer on the n900? Dec 14 15:16:33 yes Dec 14 15:17:09 i configured it as in wiki Dec 14 15:18:41 no other message? Dec 14 15:18:45 no Dec 14 15:18:48 only this 2 Dec 14 15:19:48 i configured qtcreator for n900 Dec 14 15:21:27 do you have free space in target device? Dec 14 15:21:32 yes Dec 14 15:21:38 over 20 Gb Dec 14 15:21:40 http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-developer-tools/madde/blobs/master/src/madlib/ma-create-runtime.sh#line59 this is where the message is printed Dec 14 15:21:44 GB* Dec 14 15:21:46 no, that's not application space Dec 14 15:22:00 on a terminal, write "df -h /" Dec 14 15:22:46 hm, actually. Dec 14 15:23:01 go to control panel -> memory Dec 14 15:23:26 and check that there's reasonable free space (> 100 MiB) on every filesystem Dec 14 15:24:19 63.7 available on / Dec 14 15:24:54 > 100 MiB - does it really information? Dec 14 15:26:07 i don't know how i get 100 MB on / Dec 14 15:26:19 not on /, but on the memory applet listed filesystems. Dec 14 15:26:19 it's impossible, i think Dec 14 15:26:48 in memory applet Dec 14 15:27:07 ~19GB and 1,4 Gb free Dec 14 15:27:57 then other than the mad-developer package having failed to install no idea. Dec 14 15:29:08 can you give me advice to solve this problem? Dec 14 15:41:00 MohammadAG: do you feel like testing? Dec 14 15:45:07 Venemo: feel what? Dec 14 15:45:53 testing my newest app Dec 14 15:45:58 Venemo: link? Dec 14 15:46:58 Venemo: or if in testing the name... Dec 14 15:47:07 erhm devel Dec 14 15:47:23 not in the repos yet Dec 14 15:47:32 what apps? Dec 14 15:47:59 app* Dec 14 15:48:40 it'll be a puzzle game Dec 14 15:49:44 goof Dec 14 15:49:46 good* Dec 14 15:51:05 i want to write some applicatins, but can't cinfigure n900+maddle Dec 14 15:51:31 oh, yes Dec 14 15:51:37 I see your message on #maemo-devel Dec 14 15:51:50 you don't need to use the command line at all if you want to connect your device with your PC Dec 14 15:51:59 1) install Mad Developer app on the N900 Dec 14 15:52:08 yes Dec 14 15:52:18 2) configure USB networking with Mad Developer (you can use wifi too, then this is unnecessary) Dec 14 15:52:23 yes Dec 14 15:52:43 3) open Qt Creator settings, go to the Maemo devices tab, then add your N900 Dec 14 15:52:48 yes Dec 14 15:53:26 enter its IP, then enter a password. (click on "developer password" in Mad Developer on the N900 -> the password will be only valid until that dialog is on the screen) Dec 14 15:53:37 if it works, then you can deploy your SSH key Dec 14 15:53:38 yes Dec 14 15:53:42 how does that system compare with scratchbox? is it just for Qt applications? Dec 14 15:53:53 BCMM: no, it is for others too Dec 14 15:53:58 after that, click on "test" -> if works, then you're done Dec 14 15:54:18 Venemo: i did this Dec 14 15:54:23 and how does it work? is it basically just an automated way of copying your binary to the n900 and executing it there? Dec 14 15:54:25 BCMM: you can develop non-Qt too, but MADDE itself cooperates with Qt Creator well Dec 14 15:54:43 BCMM: yes, and it also contains the cross-compiler and other tools Dec 14 15:54:45 i can build project in qt creator Dec 14 15:54:55 hi all Dec 14 15:55:25 when I transfer something in the n900 where is ? which folder? (noob question) Dec 14 15:55:50 but i can't run it in n900 without copy deb packet from PC to N900 and install it on n900 Dec 14 15:56:15 well then enable the "skip packaging step" option Dec 14 15:56:18 cicianos: how do you transfers? Dec 14 15:56:19 cicianos: did you forget a word? Dec 14 15:57:03 BCMM: please? Dec 14 15:57:08 magog_: a .deb file Dec 14 15:57:17 cicianos: if you're looking for the filesystem that the file manager lets you see, it's mounted at /home/user/MyDocs Dec 14 15:57:31 Venemo: when? When I run project in qtcreator - run fails with error Dec 14 15:57:39 cicianos: no, i didn't mean please, i meant i didn't understand the "where is ? " bit Dec 14 15:57:43 BCMM: I went there but there is nothing.. maybe is because is still connected to the pc? Dec 14 15:57:52 cicianos: yeah, you need to disconnect Dec 14 15:57:57 BCMM: ah okk Dec 14 15:58:03 cheers Dec 14 15:58:19 cicianos: when you choose "mass storage mode", the n900 unmounts that filesystem so the PC can mount it Dec 14 15:58:31 it automatically mounts it again when you disconnect from the PC Dec 14 15:58:45 BCMM: ah ok now makes sense Dec 14 15:59:22 and another question: I tried apt-get install hostmode-gui but my n900 doesn t find the package Dec 14 15:59:54 error is "Error: Errot creating package: Command "dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us" return error.Code exiting: 255" Dec 14 16:00:12 magog_: already told you to check the "skip packaging step" option Dec 14 16:00:24 magog_: you can find it in the project tab, under the maemo build config Dec 14 16:04:01 Venemo: i understand you Dec 14 16:05:00 i have in Build: General, Build step, clean step and build environment Dec 14 16:05:49 in Run i have: Create package and Deploy to device Dec 14 16:06:29 cd /debian Dec 14 16:12:02 magog_: Build/Build steps/Create package -> CLICK -> check "skip packaging step" Dec 14 16:12:24 no one knows? Dec 14 16:13:37 cicianos: what's the question? Dec 14 16:14:44 I tried apt-get install hostmode-gui but my n900 doesn t find the package Dec 14 16:15:31 Venemo: Build/Build steps/Create package - i haven't this Dec 14 16:15:43 [17:04] in Run i have: Create package and Deploy to device Dec 14 16:16:22 yes Dec 14 16:16:24 in run Dec 14 16:16:27 i click Dec 14 16:16:57 and see Version number, Adapt debian file and package manager icon Dec 14 16:17:03 that is all Dec 14 16:17:27 is your Qt Creator up to date? Dec 14 16:17:48 2.1.0_rc1 Dec 14 16:18:06 Qt Creator 2.0.94 Dec 14 16:18:19 it is old? Dec 14 16:18:33 maybe this feature got removed from it Dec 14 16:18:39 mine is the latest stable, not RC Dec 14 16:19:13 2.1.0_rc1 - this in my gentoo from layman qting-edge Dec 14 16:19:30 Qt Creator 2.0.94 - this is in About menu in qt creator Dec 14 16:20:02 ok Dec 14 16:23:20 hmm Dec 14 16:24:33 i will try to update and see in 2.9999 or in 9999.. Dec 14 16:24:52 this was an idiot Dec 14 16:26:49 MohammadAG: ping Dec 14 16:29:42 alterego: ping Dec 14 16:29:52 pong Dec 14 16:29:56 :) Dec 14 16:30:09 On N900 though, I'm waiting for bus home. Dec 14 16:30:45 * SpeedEvil wonders if there is an API to get the latenesses of stagecoach busses. Dec 14 16:31:01 SpeedEvil: gimmie :P Dec 14 16:31:15 I'm waiting for a Stagecoach now .. Dec 14 16:31:33 This time of day they're fscking bad Dec 14 16:32:19 :P Dec 14 16:32:24 lcuk: ping Dec 14 16:33:18 alterego: I know there is some sort of RF checkin with base - at least in Fife - as the signs update. Dec 14 16:33:49 The ones in Cambridge seem to just state the timetable. Dec 14 16:34:00 they do have that sort of thing in colchester as well Dec 14 16:34:11 but it only shows you ETA Dec 14 16:34:18 not when bus was supposed to be here Dec 14 16:34:58 Cool Dec 14 16:35:22 Well, things aren't helped by me being in the ass end of nowhere right now :D Dec 14 16:38:37 Where ar eyou? Dec 14 16:39:16 woo, finally got past firewall for IRC Dec 14 16:39:49 * rm_work waves at lcuk / GAN900 / others Dec 14 16:40:31 :wave rm_work. Dec 14 16:44:22 finally nus is here Dec 14 16:44:25 bus .. Dec 14 16:48:31 anybody with a clue about telepathy and rtcom, could you tell me which files to compare on working 1.1.1 vs non-working 1.2 userland device, regarding above (~2h ago) described problem with SIP calls? Dec 14 16:50:27 DocScrutinizer: .rtcomm-accounts/* Dec 14 16:50:39 alterego: thanks Dec 14 16:51:19 jacekowski: we got that ETA for busses in town too, actualy only for the mainstation but it is a smaller city... only 97k ppl Dec 14 16:51:23 alterego: any further idea what might cause this weird thing? Dec 14 16:51:31 nice ^^ Dec 14 16:51:38 using the n900 as usb 3g router :p Dec 14 16:51:40 DocScrutinizer: dunno, didn't read you post, ang on. Dec 14 16:51:54 i love it more and more ... the more i read about it the more i like it :p Dec 14 16:52:07 i hate the man who packaged busybox for maemo. find has -print0 but xargs doesn't have -0 Dec 14 16:52:19 is there a way to take over the screen of the n900 over usb? :p Dec 14 16:52:44 DocScrutinizer: could you repaste, I'm getting bored of pgup on the N900 Dec 14 16:52:54 np Dec 14 16:53:00 Gh0sty: my 5 year old "just a" phone did that... Dec 14 16:53:11 Gh0sty: sure with ssh and x2x Dec 14 16:53:17 Gh0sty: 1. take usb videocam. 2. connect it to usb 3. point it at n900 4. ??? 5. PROFIT! Dec 14 16:53:22 but you cannot see a mouse on it Dec 14 16:53:23 :P Dec 14 16:53:28 * Gh0sty slaps slonopotamus_ Dec 14 16:53:35 [2010-12-14 15:53:22] what makes the "[x] use for phonecalls" settings option vanish, in settings->VoIP&Chat->{my sipgate account}->advanced_settings ? Dec 14 16:53:36 [2010-12-14 15:54:29] the VoIP account is so far correctly setup, as it signals inbound SIP calls - alas imediately as "missed call" without even starting to ring or anything Dec 14 16:53:38 [2010-12-14 15:54:57] and for outbound calls I can't select this "service" in dialer Dec 14 16:53:39 [2010-12-14 15:55:50] as obviously this would need above mentioned settings-option in the SIP account config, and that vanished for unknown reason Dec 14 16:53:41 [2010-12-14 15:57:08] I know I probably should reflash, but prior to that I'd like to find out what is causing this strange error, and who or what created that cause Dec 14 16:54:23 chem|st: oh thats not bad, just looking is enough Dec 14 16:54:30 * Gh0sty googles x2x Dec 14 16:54:32 Gh0sty: 4. connect /dev/videoX of your system to /dev/video2 at n900 via ssh Dec 14 16:54:46 chem|st: meh... you'll need usb hand for that Dec 14 16:54:47 aah like that :) Dec 14 16:54:50 DocScrutinizer: don't know, check the differences in the account config, I've not managed to setup sip yet. Dec 14 16:55:05 I'm about to do that Dec 14 16:55:44 thx for the tip chem|st Dec 14 16:55:48 There is a "use for telephone numbers" option? Dec 14 16:56:04 in account settings ui, probably not you issue though. Dec 14 16:56:49 slonopotamus_: mplayer on both sides could do the trick... Dec 14 16:59:03 Gh0sty, it's called x11vnc? Dec 14 17:00:29 x2x also, but is it outdated or is it still maintained? Dec 14 17:00:54 yacc_: not recommended for video transfer only... Dec 14 17:00:59 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/X2x Dec 14 17:01:04 rm_work: does not matter... it works! Dec 14 17:01:12 :P truth to that Dec 14 17:01:56 so have to catch a bus... later Dec 14 17:04:19 DocScrutinizer about headset-control , this app is for that *one* button only, not for headsets with multiple buttons(next, pause, play, etc..)? Dec 14 17:04:41 yes Dec 14 17:05:03 is the limitation hardware or software? Dec 14 17:05:47 trx: the protocol to handle multimedia-multibutton-headsets isn't understood yet (by the people wo look into that for N900) Dec 14 17:06:10 trx: according to my investigations so far it's software Dec 14 17:06:29 oh, good Dec 14 17:06:42 i was under the impression that it was hardware limit... Dec 14 17:06:46 N95 hw looks rather similar to N900, regarding the AV connector Dec 14 17:07:39 alas I have no N95 and also no multibutton headset, so I hardly can do any tests to understand how signaling is done Dec 14 17:08:05 i have one from my old 5800 Dec 14 17:08:37 but i dont see any signals other than from dmseg Dec 14 17:08:42 dmesg* Dec 14 17:08:53 reporting that headset is connected Dec 14 17:09:12 some hw hacker in possession of a MB-headset, a matching phone, and a logic analyzer or better an oscilloscope, must do this Dec 14 17:10:09 if i understand correctly signals are defined by resistance? Dec 14 17:10:36 completely unclear. Probably not - it's likely to be some serial protocol Dec 14 17:11:31 think about it like if the one-button headset would do morse code with the one button Dec 14 17:11:35 just faster Dec 14 17:11:44 yep Dec 14 17:11:46 that's what I guess it will turn out to be Dec 14 17:11:59 * SpeedEvil imagines a large morse key mounted as a medallion. Dec 14 17:12:11 60wpm SMS Dec 14 17:13:33 * DocScrutinizer mumbles HDQ :-S Dec 14 17:13:59 bq27000 smart battery "bsi" Dec 14 17:14:11 one-wire serial protocol Dec 14 17:15:17 if I had to design such a thing, I'd go for HDQ I guess Dec 14 17:15:54 DocScrutinizer, who has an oscilloscope then Dec 14 17:16:03 i dont, thats for sure :) Dec 14 17:16:07 heh, good question Dec 14 17:16:10 * MohammadAG has access to one Dec 14 17:16:14 will a multimeter do? :P Dec 14 17:16:23 hehe, alas not Dec 14 17:16:37 how much time do I need? Dec 14 17:16:37 didnt think so :) Dec 14 17:16:53 MohammadAG: depends how good you are as an EE Dec 14 17:16:55 cause I doubt my school will take "I'm hacking a headset" as an answer Dec 14 17:17:03 lol Dec 14 17:17:36 MohammadAG: if you prepare a few tools in advance, you'll need maybe 10 min Dec 14 17:17:46 o_O Dec 14 17:18:22 what's the procedure? Dec 14 17:18:38 but having a bit of experience with scopes would help a lot Dec 14 17:18:55 all I know it has a display, some buttons and dials and two plugs Dec 14 17:19:08 well, my teacher -might- help Dec 14 17:19:36 MohammadAG: you need a AV adapter to plug to N95 and plug in headset, and have a convenient way to wiretap all 4 wires Dec 14 17:20:10 hmm? what AV adapter? Dec 14 17:20:21 the rest I have access to 3 of Dec 14 17:20:31 then you attach the scope probe to GND and mic wire, and press a few buttons and see what the scope shows Dec 14 17:20:36 oh, and mine makes that 4 Dec 14 17:22:24 to make sure, you probe the audio-out L&R wires, though I think they shouldn't have any data signal or anything, except the music which you don't want to playback during test Dec 14 17:23:45 actually, the headset can know when something is plugged into it Dec 14 17:24:09 the headset is a 2-plug one, one plug goes in the N95 which has only media controls and a mic Dec 14 17:24:14 MohammadAG: actually your AV probe adapter might use a bit more sophisticated setup, if you can get access to a 2-channel scope (nowadays most are at least 2-chan) Dec 14 17:24:34 the other plug is a headset which goes into the media button part Dec 14 17:25:02 ooh, so it's a extension cable with controls Dec 14 17:25:06 if the latter isn't plugged, the N95 outputs sound to the loudspeaker Dec 14 17:25:16 iirc Dec 14 17:25:17 :nod: Dec 14 17:25:18 * MohammadAG checks Dec 14 17:27:24 yep Dec 14 17:27:31 it doesn't show a symbol FYI Dec 14 17:27:58 (btw, testing N95 headset on an N86, can't find the N95's battery since I charge my N900 in it :P Dec 14 17:29:11 doesn't matter Dec 14 17:29:51 indeed Dec 14 17:30:07 any news about an injection driver?? Dec 14 17:31:19 alterego: most significant difference in rtcom/accounts.cfg is the 1.2 has no param-password=abcdef entry anymore Dec 14 17:31:38 [ 1329.788452] input: headset button as /class/input/input5 Dec 14 17:33:08 and indeed, the N900 doesn't give two shits about keypresses :P Dec 14 17:33:23 at the input layer, or application layer? Dec 14 17:33:29 have you cat /dev/input/event5 Dec 14 17:33:58 already have Dec 14 17:34:38 if nothing appears on /dev/input/* then kernel is where you should look nex Dec 14 17:34:39 t Dec 14 17:34:59 btw, I'm having a thought lately... Dec 14 17:35:03 irrelevant, it's been tested by me, and it's known to not work Dec 14 17:35:16 anyone has a reason why the N900 doesn't use SHM? Dec 14 17:35:19 sorry Dec 14 17:35:26 anyone has a reason why the N900 PulseAudio doesn't use SHM? Dec 14 17:35:37 whatever that is Dec 14 17:35:43 javispedro, the button has a dev input node, it just doesn't output anything Dec 14 17:36:12 MohammadAG: more reason to go and see what the kernel does :) Dec 14 17:36:23 MohammadAG: that's because the mb-headset doesn't input anything reasonable to the N900 Dec 14 17:36:39 s/N900/kernel/ no? Dec 14 17:36:58 no, N900=hw Dec 14 17:37:34 hmm Dec 14 17:37:39 you're right Dec 14 17:37:42 it detects it as a headset Dec 14 17:37:46 I already did that test, with multimeter and other tools, with MB-HS and N900 Dec 14 17:38:02 (and how the f*** did my battery charge fully in 20 minutes?!) Dec 14 17:38:08 * javispedro ponders whether patching pulse to use SHM would be a performance benefit ... Dec 14 17:38:23 or a call dropper :P Dec 14 17:38:26 what is SHM? Dec 14 17:38:29 shared memory Dec 14 17:38:39 hmm Dec 14 17:38:46 shouldn't affect calls right? Dec 14 17:38:58 DocScrutinizer: yes, it doesn't use shared memory right now. you're reading that well. it does push every single byte of audio via a unix domain socket. Dec 14 17:39:07 calls don't affect the CPU as much as internet calls do Dec 14 17:39:46 I know, that's what PolypAudio does Dec 14 17:40:13 this polyp has some shm mode, but it's disabled on the n900 Dec 14 17:40:28 basic design principle, so it can do networked audio Dec 14 17:40:29 and I'm looking for a valid reason before I waste a few minutes trying to hack around it Dec 14 17:40:32 enable it Dec 14 17:40:39 oh right Dec 14 17:41:43 PoopAss is broken by design Dec 14 17:42:06 as is avahi Dec 14 17:42:20 DocScrutinizer: not necessarily, like the X11 server, it can use a socket for remote connections and shm for local ones Dec 14 17:42:58 ... on X11 the benefit of using shm is way more appreciable though, for obvious reasons (large, static pixmaps, etc) Dec 14 17:43:10 yes, of course Dec 14 17:43:36 well, no valid cons in a few minutes Dec 14 17:43:40 time to hack :) Dec 14 17:45:25 see if you can find CONFIG-NUKE-POLYP Dec 14 17:52:21 DocScrutinizer http://translate.google.com/translate?u=http://www.bmc.de/20-605-200-0110_isa-bus-messkarten-bmc-messsysteme.html&sl=de&tl=en&hl=&ie=UTF-8 Dec 14 17:52:37 by the text from there do you know if this can do what we need? Dec 14 17:52:47 i have one but never used it :/ Dec 14 17:54:32 trx: yes, this is really fine for the headset probing Dec 14 17:55:14 one problem tho Dec 14 17:55:21 actually two :) Dec 14 17:55:29 first, i dont have a n95 Dec 14 17:55:32 i have 5800 Dec 14 17:55:37 will that do? Dec 14 17:55:57 second, i first have to figure out how to use that card :) Dec 14 17:57:00 brb Dec 14 17:57:04 if the 5800 works with that multibutton headset then it's all you need Dec 14 17:57:13 it works with it Dec 14 17:57:15 it came with it Dec 14 18:01:54 rm_work, hey-oh. Dec 14 18:06:19 :P Dec 14 18:06:38 so with IRC at work, hanging out here should be much easier Dec 14 18:13:21 ok, I got a prototype shm-systemmode-pulse working on my host, time to move to n900... Dec 14 18:13:45 hmm I can't see, to find any example code for setIndexWidget(), everyone seems to use custom delegates... Dec 14 18:34:07 argh, delegates are for the entire table, so that's not ideal Dec 14 18:34:28 why are tables such a pita Dec 14 18:34:28 ? Dec 14 18:34:37 * NooBmonk3y is eating pita......... Dec 14 18:35:07 * SpeedEvil is eating kippers. Dec 14 18:35:09 nom. Dec 14 18:35:21 lol Dec 14 18:35:46 * javispedro wants pita Dec 14 18:35:58 :) Dec 14 18:36:27 good morning NooBmonk3y :) Dec 14 18:36:40 Morrrrrrrrrrrrrrnin Dec 14 18:39:20 * javispedro prepares to hose his n900 Dec 14 18:40:51 * SpeedEvil puts on some Marvin Gaye. Dec 14 18:41:08 * Proteous prepares to nose nis n900 Dec 14 18:41:34 slight citris hints with some vanilla and chocolate tones Dec 14 18:41:43 or is that the hand soap Dec 14 18:41:51 javispedro, I think you beat you to it :P Dec 14 18:44:51 http://i54.tinypic.com/142ympz.jpg muhahahaha Dec 14 18:45:42 Unpacking replacement pulseaudio ... Dec 14 18:45:57 MohammadAG: fortunately that should not prevent maemo to boot :) Dec 14 18:46:17 javispedro, replacing pulseaudio is safe Dec 14 18:46:24 but then again, I have no watchdog Dec 14 18:46:58 we just told each other the same thing. let's see what happens =) Dec 14 18:47:14 javispedro, IO error :P Dec 14 18:47:50 javispedro, I knew I'd beat you to it Dec 14 18:47:58 bah, I lost. Dec 14 18:48:17 you owe me a deb Dec 14 18:49:11 javispedro: did you see my music vid? http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=eVAwoFZKUSQ Dec 14 18:49:22 ok, preeliminary stupid benchmark: without shm, mplayer around 40%, pulseaudio around 13% Dec 14 18:49:23 needs HD Dec 14 18:49:39 wait a bit, I'm going to break my n900 :) Dec 14 18:51:31 no hurry. just some fun Dec 14 18:51:49 i'm very happy with the cellular-automata effect Dec 14 18:54:19 come on chaps, does no-one know about setIndexWidget()? Dec 14 18:54:41 hi Dec 14 18:56:22 i saw last version of qt-creator. It is terrible Dec 14 18:57:07 no it's not. it's quite nice. Dec 14 18:57:31 no Dec 14 18:57:38 yes Dec 14 18:57:51 what's terrible about it? Dec 14 18:58:07 i don't find options for Maemo Dec 14 18:58:14 for example Dec 14 18:58:35 can't open *.pro projects Dec 14 18:58:54 can't create any type of project Dec 14 18:59:44 facebook connections worldwide (large) http://sphotos.ak.fbcdn.net/hphotos-ak-snc4/hs1382.snc4/163413_479288597199_9445547199_5658562_14158417_n.jpg Dec 14 19:03:43 mece: try adding anything to a VBoxLayout in QtDesigner, I've no clue how that's supposed to work Dec 14 19:04:47 magog_, well I can do all those things with qt creator, so obviously you're doing something wrong. Dec 14 19:04:54 lardman, I don't use qt designer. Dec 14 19:05:34 i'm just getting in to Qt programming - at the risk of starting a flamewar, what are the pros and cons of using creator as opposed to just writing cpp and using qmake? Dec 14 19:05:47 mece: version? Dec 14 19:05:55 i mean, using designer to arrange widgets Dec 14 19:06:13 use hands and text editor and brain Dec 14 19:06:20 magog_, no idea :D something recent. Dec 14 19:06:49 BCMM, well I use qt creator as a text editor with benefits Dec 14 19:07:21 mece: yeah, didn't mean to speak that broadly, i'm sure it has typical IDE code-completion features and all that Dec 14 19:07:33 i tested this in 2.1.84 and live version of qt-creator Dec 14 19:07:44 i mean, drag 'n' drop versus typing out code for arranging widgets Dec 14 19:08:27 i mean, are there features that are not easily accessible without using the designer? will it eventually get infeasibly complicated? or is it just a matter of personal taste? Dec 14 19:08:54 but drag and drop doesn't work that well with it Dec 14 19:09:01 imho Dec 14 19:09:03 BCMM, well it's helpful when you don't know what you're doing, like me. Dec 14 19:09:26 i'm explaining myself badly Dec 14 19:09:32 anyway I have to go. Sorry to bud out mid-conversation. I guess qt creator is not for everyone, but I like it. Dec 14 19:09:53 cu mece Dec 14 19:09:56 i want to use it for maemo development Dec 14 19:10:04 ah, so nothing really "missing" from hand-coding the GUI, just a matter of convenience and preference? Dec 14 19:10:20 magog_: I use it fine for maemo dev, just curse the ui designer everytime I have to use it Dec 14 19:10:29 i've used it so far just to get an idea of what the different widget classes do Dec 14 19:11:18 i can't run my app on device via usb Dec 14 19:12:55 Just out of curiosity, are there known problems with the n900 that would make it not recognize the SIM card, or is it just a case of a hardware fault and I should be googling for Nokia service centers? Dec 14 19:13:40 O_o Dec 14 19:13:53 yacc: i suppose you've tried taking sim card and batter out for a reasonable length of time, cleaning dust from simcard contacts, etc? Dec 14 19:14:01 ^battery Dec 14 19:14:13 (on no account batter your sim card, they still don't taste very good) Dec 14 19:15:43 BCMM, yeah, removing the SIM card and putting it in again usually helps. restarting the phone sometimes helps, offline & normal mode might help too, and sometime toogling Dual/GSM/3G helps too), ... Dec 14 19:15:59 yacc: is it an old sim card? Dec 14 19:16:40 yacc: I've seen that problem several times myself too Dec 14 19:16:59 BCMM, less than 12 months, the only specific part being that it's from a "virtual operator", and I usually need to enable data roaming even in the home network. Dec 14 19:17:10 andre__, so what did you do? Dec 14 19:17:38 yacc, reboot, or slap the N900 on a table? Dec 14 19:18:05 andre__, *whistle* I can see that you've choosen a similar strategy, ... Dec 14 19:18:25 andre__, but it does not make me that happy if I happen to be offline while on the run, ... Dec 14 19:18:49 hmmm, I guess I'll try a SIM card from a different operator for some time and see if the problem disappears, ... Dec 14 19:19:03 there is https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10056 and some other report I can't find right now Dec 14 19:19:04 Bug 10056: Loses recognition of SIM Card after a while Dec 14 19:19:23 cheers for spelling loses right Dec 14 19:20:06 My UK O2 card worked immediatly, but then this is not exactly a proof of anything, as turning it off and pulling the simcard out is one of the most reliable ways to get it going again, ... Dec 14 19:20:23 probably https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=9391 Dec 14 19:20:24 Bug 9391: Cellular access unavaible with "no access" error but works after reboot Dec 14 19:22:02 Please either contact Nokia Care services via www.nokia.com or contact the Dec 14 19:22:02 company who sold the product to you as hardware issues are out of scope for Dec 14 19:22:02 maemo.org Bugzilla. Dec 14 19:22:16 That makes me happy, NOT. Dec 14 19:22:48 yacc: yeah, it didn't make me happy either, though I was the messenger of that statement :-/ Dec 14 19:23:40 I create in qt creator simple maemo application - Hello world. Dec 14 19:24:13 i configured n900 with qt creator Dec 14 19:24:39 "build project" work good Dec 14 19:25:11 but when I do "run project" i have error: Packaging Error: Command 'dpkg-buildpackage -nc -uc -us' failed.Exit code: 255 Dec 14 19:26:00 what I should do to run my application on n900? Dec 14 19:28:38 magog_, what OS do you run qt-creator on? Dec 14 19:28:52 gentoo Dec 14 19:29:24 i know that in gentoo there is no dpkg Dec 14 19:30:26 but i read wiki and try to do this via mad/mad-admin. But I can't create runtime. Dec 14 19:31:04 ./mad-admin create n900 -a 192.168.2.15 Dec 14 19:31:20 Copying setup files to runtime failed Dec 14 19:31:21 Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed Dec 14 19:34:38 "Researchers have recorded a relation between arithmetical operations done by SCP-468-1 and the movement of SCP-468-2. For example, SCP-468-1 moving to multiply 10 and 32 resulted in a 10 by 32 grid pattern, with outlying houses forming a perimeter around the resultant grid." Dec 14 19:36:09 468? Dec 14 19:36:32 =( Dec 14 19:36:59 Arkenoi: the Chinese village abacus Dec 14 19:38:55 wtf Dec 14 19:39:43 andre__, another feature of my n900 seems to be that it takes sometimes extremely long to reacquire GSM/UMTS at all (voice too, not only data), e.g. I ride down into the garage, which is no coverage, when I get out of the garage, sometimes the phone has not rediscovered the network after driving the whole length of Vienna. Dec 14 19:40:21 andre__, and I think I'm similar to the first one, because the "no sim" inserted pop ups, if it does the next time, I'll check if my IMEI is missing too. Dec 14 19:40:26 javispedro, how's it going? :P Dec 14 19:41:04 yacc: Vienna, this satellite city with >50meter high skyscrapers everywhere that make reception harder? :-P Dec 14 19:41:12 RST38h, ah, nice thing Dec 14 19:41:13 I think I've also seen a ticket about that IIRC Dec 14 19:41:31 vienna's skycrapers? or the N900? Dec 14 19:41:40 ooh, nice typo Dec 14 19:41:49 skyscrapers* Dec 14 19:41:59 click on menus suck in microb. instead of dropping down and stop, an extra click even is registered. Dec 14 19:42:02 MohammadAG: no appreciable difference in performance :( Dec 14 19:42:19 javispedro, I WIN! Dec 14 19:42:35 go to www.ebuyer.com and click on any menu, the behaviour is different to firefox. Dec 14 19:42:45 anybody noticed that? Dec 14 19:43:10 andre__, no Vienna in Austria, the city where you have full coverage in the underground, and where the stupid telcos are already putting in LTE, ... Dec 14 19:43:40 yacc, ;-) Dec 14 19:43:43 trumee, that's cause you're moving a mouse in firefox, not clicking it Dec 14 19:43:48 use hover mode Dec 14 19:44:05 MohammadAG, i see. Dec 14 19:44:20 before asking what that is, read the manual :P Dec 14 19:44:32 andre__, yeah, LTE in the city where I can have unlimited 100mbit/10mbit cable in most places, LTE where the business models calls for pay-by-mb will be really competive, ... Dec 14 19:44:55 andre__, especially as for most stuff you want to do on a mobile EDGE is quite okay, ... Dec 14 19:45:58 * trumee hugs MohammadAG for the tip. Was making me go crazy. Dec 14 19:46:39 impressive Dec 14 19:46:58 * andre__ still has Vienna on the to-do list though it's only 4 hours by train, grumble Dec 14 19:47:45 andre__, anyway, I'll switch tomorrow to a prepaid SIM from yesss.at which is virtual on top of Orange AT, and see if it goes away, if so, I can assume it's a compatibility with SIM card or bad SIM card problem. If it happens again, I'll have to assume it's hardware, and my brand new N900 wanders to Nokia. Wonder if they can figure out from the IMEI how young the device or if I need to find the invoice, ... Dec 14 19:47:56 andre__, 4 hours? That would be Munich? Dec 14 19:48:15 more to the north than to the west :) Dec 14 19:48:44 Prague? *lol* Cracow would be more like 5 hours nowadays by car. Dec 14 19:48:51 bingo :-P Dec 14 19:50:33 Now that leaves the question if there is a way to backup the Flash or do I need to install MeeGo on SDHC to be able to backup the internal flash as a block device? Dec 14 19:51:35 andre__, well, I have to admit I know CZ only from going through it, and the biggest city that I've been passing through has been Brno, and that one had passby motorway already in the Communist times. Dec 14 19:52:39 hehe. yeah, it's something to pass when taking the train to Berlin, I agree :-P Dec 14 19:58:36 somebody know hove to solve my problem or not? Dec 14 20:06:14 WAIT WHAT Dec 14 20:06:23 Simply Mobile really needs to make their fine print bigger Dec 14 20:06:34 "All telecom taxes *included* in the plan price" Dec 14 20:08:46 luke-jr, I'd say that's the norm in most civilized places. OTOH we still haven't fixed that one for flights, although they are starting to move into this direction, ... Dec 14 20:09:09 yacc: over here the norm is about $10 more in taxes Dec 14 20:12:16 ~seen lcuk Dec 14 20:12:28 lcuk is currently on #maemo (2d 3h 58m 4s) #meego (2d 3h 58m 4s). Has said a total of 219 messages. Is idling for 21h 31m 57s, last said: 'CosmoHill, :)'. Dec 14 20:14:34 how to create runtime on n900 via madde Dec 14 20:18:21 hmm, how does one use /dev/ttyACM0? Dec 14 20:18:27 magog_, see http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/QtCreator_integration_for_windows ? Dec 14 20:18:48 ~lart setIndexWidget() Dec 14 20:18:48 * infobot slaps setIndexWidget() around with a large trout Dec 14 20:21:57 andre__: how it can help me if i use linux? Dec 14 20:21:58 MohammadAG, /dev/ttyACM0: I think it is just a modem. (but i think i'm not getting your true meaning :/) Dec 14 20:22:18 hmm, so it's not a console? :/ Dec 14 20:22:30 what use is the N900's modem in a rescue image Dec 14 20:23:07 * MohammadAG resizes his N900's eMMC, expects problems cause of battery drainage Dec 14 20:23:56 magog_, well, you never said that. what is the *exact* problem? Dec 14 20:24:18 which exact steps (URL?) did you follow? Dec 14 20:24:38 i did all from wiki Dec 14 20:24:54 and from docs from madde Dec 14 20:24:58 MohammadAG: unfortunately i don't yet own N900. but generally, /dev/ttyACM0 is a modem, and can be used through wvdial. I think the driver is cdc-acm Dec 14 20:25:08 but i can't create runtime Dec 14 20:25:21 MohammadAG, ttyACM0 in a rescue image does not make to much sense, I guess. Dec 14 20:25:46 I enabled USB networking, and got ssh: connect to host 192.168.2.15 port 22: Connection refused Dec 14 20:26:16 wanted to turn off the backlight, and ">" isn't a char I can type in the rescue image Dec 14 20:26:21 which is... kinda retarded Dec 14 20:26:23 MohammadAG, ttyACM0 is basically more or less an UMTS modem, with the slight difference that it will not honor the dial command, it will instead share your mobile connection. Dec 14 20:26:25 and when i try to create qemu runtime - i get "QEMU startup failed" Dec 14 20:27:38 MohammadAG, so for my place the emergency internet connectivity when my cable modem goes on strike, is having the N900 use USB routing to my PC for Internet access, while the PC is using wvdial and the N900's ttyACM0 to connect to the Internet via UMTS. I know sounds a little bit sick, but works like a charm, ... Dec 14 20:28:27 yeah, but use is that in an N900 rescue image :P Dec 14 20:28:31 not a human rescue image Dec 14 20:28:55 I wonder how long shrinking the eMMC is going to take Dec 14 20:30:52 MohammadAG, well, that depends if you have the possibility to connect to the mobile network in the rescue image, it might make sense. Dec 14 20:31:15 it's just a shell script at boot up :P Dec 14 20:31:19 Anyway, the g_nokia.ko module that happens to provide the USB networking also creates ttyACM0. Dec 14 20:32:05 magog_, as long as you don't even tell me the wikipage nobody will be able to help you. Dec 14 20:32:14 I asked for the URL already. Dec 14 20:33:37 andre__: http://wiki.maemo.org/MADDE/Device_runtime Dec 14 20:35:12 magog_, and the problem is what exactly? Dec 14 20:35:22 on 4 step Dec 14 20:35:34 i can't create runtime Dec 14 20:35:47 ...and why? Dec 14 20:35:52 output, please. Dec 14 20:36:01 i do ./mad-admin create n900 -a 192.168.2.15 Dec 14 20:36:25 Copying setup files to runtime failed Dec 14 20:36:26 Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed Dec 14 20:36:33 this is output Dec 14 20:36:45 magog_, there is nothing like that mentioned in step 4 Dec 14 20:37:06 4. ON HOST: Create runtime Dec 14 20:37:08 ah. you are in Step *3* Set up a "Device runtime" Dec 14 20:37:15 section 4 of step 3. ooookay. Dec 14 20:37:33 yes Dec 14 20:42:09 so, not using shm is actually faster :( Dec 14 20:42:22 even though it writes around 100KiB of data per second Dec 14 20:44:31 i can't understand why it not work Dec 14 20:56:22 andre__: what do you think about it& Dec 14 20:56:23 ? Dec 14 20:57:11 is that the complete output? nothing else? Dec 14 20:57:43 that is complete output Dec 14 20:59:16 n Dec 14 21:05:43 magog_, and your n900 is not connected via usb or something? the ip address is definitely right? you can ssh on it? Dec 14 21:05:52 yes Dec 14 21:05:57 ssh work Dec 14 21:05:59 ping work Dec 14 21:06:13 connected via usb Dec 14 21:06:26 qt-creator test work good? too Dec 14 21:06:35 qt-creator test work good, too Dec 14 21:11:58 magog_: then what's the problem? Dec 14 21:13:12 magog_, so while trying this with you have the N900 connected via usb? did you try without usb? Dec 14 21:14:09 yes Dec 14 21:14:15 try via wlan Dec 14 21:14:32 which of my two questions did you answer with "yes"? Dec 14 21:15:19 how do I create a btrfs partition? Dec 14 21:17:16 this problem repeats with any type of connection Dec 14 21:20:59 magog_, can you answer my question? Dec 14 21:22:25 andre__: i answered for all your questions Dec 14 21:22:34 magog_, no, you did not Dec 14 21:22:40 which of my two questions did you answer with "yes"? Dec 14 21:22:40 O_o Dec 14 21:23:18 magog_, so while trying to install via wifi is your N900 connected via usb? Dec 14 21:24:31 yes Dec 14 21:24:38 so try without. Dec 14 21:25:20 now trying Dec 14 21:28:17 andre__: Dec 14 21:28:19 ssh to developer@192.168.2.15 failed - exit Dec 14 21:28:20 Creating runtime 'n900' with address '192.168.2.15' failed Dec 14 21:30:54 magog_, that is the output from "mad-admin" on your computer (not the n900), right? Dec 14 21:31:40 chem|st: seen my package link? Dec 14 21:32:47 yes Dec 14 21:32:56 nomis, is your package on -devel? Dec 14 21:33:00 magog_, so the times that you tried before you did not get that "ssh to" output line, right? Dec 14 21:33:07 hi andre__ \o Dec 14 21:33:13 heja lcuk Dec 14 21:33:14 followed you back on twitter Dec 14 21:33:26 lcuk: no, this one: http://www.home.unix-ag.org/simon/files/tvbgone_1.0.0-1_all.deb Dec 14 21:33:28 I was sure you only used to use that account for testing last time I looked Dec 14 21:33:37 nomis, is the source alongside that? Dec 14 21:33:57 lcuk: well it is python, so "yes". Dec 14 21:34:04 lcuk, you remember correctly. :) however I think I set up to forward all postings from identi.ca to twitter Dec 14 21:34:21 yes Dec 14 21:34:28 nomis, ahhh did not realise :) good job sir! I saw you post it the other night and wondered Dec 14 21:34:31 magog_: according to the last output you try to connect as the user "developer". does that user exist on your n900? Dec 14 21:34:41 when my device connected i haven't this in output Dec 14 21:34:55 magog_, I assume you have to be the user root instead, but I can only guess. Never used MADDE myself Dec 14 21:34:55 hello, i'm trying to play a video in a QML file, but i'm getting some strange errors, can anybody give me a hand ? here's the code and the output http://pastebin.com/R9wYu9F7 Dec 14 21:35:12 lcuk: I have to check the actual timings sent. However, it should do the same as my c test program on the syscall level, so I don't expect relevant discrepancies. Dec 14 21:36:05 andre__: i have user developer Dec 14 21:39:25 andre__: and i connect with this user via ssh without password Dec 14 21:40:10 then I have no idea. Dec 14 21:40:28 if this problem doesn't solve only sdk leave Dec 14 21:44:23 Assange described himself as a 'passionate, and often pig headed activist intellectual.' Assange said he was seeking a 'siren for [a] love affair, children and occasional criminal conspiracy' adding that he was 'directing a consuming, dangerous human rights project which is, as you might expect, male dominated' and added enigmatically: 'I am DANGER, ACHTUNG.' Dec 14 21:44:43 Achtung indeed... Dec 14 21:46:41 haha.. yeah.. his okcupid profile is kinda creepy Dec 14 21:47:12 and predates the conception of wikileaks, so he's speaking of something else there Dec 14 21:47:20 Most online dating profiles are either creepy or sad, so nothing unusual there Dec 14 21:47:29 hahah Dec 14 21:47:36 but in that case true Dec 14 21:47:56 and he copied the richard james 'come to daddy' album cover for his pic too Dec 14 21:48:04 at least a little Dec 14 21:48:12 (gloriously offtopic) Dec 14 21:51:45 DocScrutinizer, got meego on the eMMC :D Dec 14 22:30:14 night Dec 14 22:34:32 is it possible to make the telepathy-sip client to go offline/online via cli? Dec 14 22:34:49 using some dbus call. Dec 14 22:36:57 ok found out, mc-tool can do that. Dec 14 22:37:09 trumee: take it online/offline while monitoring dbus chatter Dec 14 22:37:13 trumee: nevermind then Dec 14 22:41:08 iperf suggests that my bandwidth to the router is about 13mbps. is that reasonable? Dec 14 22:42:22 anybody measured their wifi speed? Dec 14 22:43:56 hmm. My joggler gives 34.8 mbps, in comparison N900 wifi is pretty shitty. Dec 14 22:45:28 I get pretty close to 54M/2 Dec 14 22:45:51 (I don't have a ethernet connected router, so it's going both ways Dec 14 22:46:49 that's more than what you're supposed to get? Dec 14 22:47:06 SpeedEvil, is that with Full power saving? Dec 14 22:47:14 * ShadowJK thought you could get 54/2 max in payload for a single wireless client Dec 14 22:53:33 power saving is irrelevant Dec 14 22:53:45 it goes off when you're moving enough data Dec 14 23:00:26 SpeedEvil, yes power-saving didn't make any difference to iperf reported bandwidth. Dec 14 23:02:32 SpeedEvil, what router are you running? Dec 14 23:03:24 dynamode something Dec 14 23:03:34 Do you happen to have package for iperf? Dec 14 23:03:51 actually - nvm - won't wok Dec 14 23:05:19 SpeedEvil, there is one in devel repo. Dec 14 23:16:12 SpeedEvil, Joggler vs N900, http://pastebin.com/NMd7ft0E Dec 14 23:16:51 Sure one isn't n? Dec 14 23:17:16 nope. Dec 14 23:21:40 SpeedEvil, sorry joggler is indeed 'n' device Dec 14 23:27:26 anyone know where I can find information on when the phone receives events like, someone is calling, etc? Dec 14 23:27:52 i think maemo uses dbus commands for that Dec 14 23:28:25 but i can't help you more than that, i am sorry, never been into dbus so much Dec 14 23:34:17 hey guys, where browser caches flash video? Dec 14 23:36:39 or it's plugin Dec 14 23:40:51 i think in ~/MyDocs/tmp/ :) Dec 14 23:41:16 they are something like FlashR4nDoM Dec 14 23:41:20 the flash-videos Dec 14 23:42:22 mikki-kun: haha thanks man!!! Dec 14 23:42:32 np :) Dec 14 23:42:57 tryin to help as much as i can :) Dec 14 23:45:48 user____: but for flash-videos (if only youtube) i would definitly recommend to use cutetube Dec 14 23:46:02 i absolutely love it if i am only on my n900 Dec 14 23:46:23 minitube is broken right now Dec 14 23:47:05 mikki-kun: no, yt blocked in china Dec 14 23:47:15 you're from china? Dec 14 23:47:24 mikki-kun: y Dec 14 23:47:37 maybe it has proxy settings Dec 14 23:47:52 hm, sadly no :/ Dec 14 23:47:56 just checked Dec 14 23:48:22 mikki-kun: no, i'm using tudou Dec 14 23:49:56 user____: maybe someone can rewrite cutetube for use in tudou :) Dec 14 23:53:16 mikki-kun: i don see point, since i can grab from cache Dec 14 23:54:16 it grabs and downloads in either 240p, 360p, 480p or 720p :) Dec 14 23:55:10 so you watch and download at the same time Dec 14 23:58:17 mikki-kun: sure, i try that gotta go class, i'm good to go now Dec 14 23:59:19 peace Dec 15 00:00:33 It's temperatures like these when I'm thankful for a high TDP. Dec 15 00:02:48 TDP? Dec 15 00:03:20 Thermal design power Dec 15 00:03:47 The maximum thermal output a CPU heatsink should be designed for Dec 15 02:19:19 god I hate RPM so much :/ Dec 15 02:19:33 error: Package has no %description: kernel-n900 can't even build meego's kernel properly **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Dec 15 02:59:57 2010