**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 15 02:59:57 2010 Dec 15 03:01:34 where does the n900 save camera recrodings? Dec 15 03:03:07 DCIM for images and video I think Dec 15 03:03:16 /home/user/MyDocs/DCIM Dec 15 03:03:42 ah... good old yahoo... masters of the "oops, we're serving porn to EVERYONE who does an image search and don't know why" Dec 15 03:03:58 night Dec 15 03:04:13 recordings may also be on the sd card if they're not in MyDocs Dec 15 03:04:20 but also in the folder DCIM Dec 15 03:04:25 sd Dec 15 03:04:32 yeah that was the problem Dec 15 03:04:40 I recognize dcim from my camera Dec 15 03:04:49 but it was in my SD Dec 15 03:05:36 should be /media or something Dec 15 03:08:26 yeah .media Dec 15 03:08:40 there were two dcims for whatever reason Dec 15 03:31:28 \ Dec 15 03:32:48 also I cant seem to send video via fmms Dec 15 03:32:52 is this normal? Dec 15 03:33:24 As I understand it mms doesn't do video Dec 15 03:33:29 Maybe I'm wrong. Dec 15 03:36:22 good evening (ugt) Dec 15 04:20:42 mms does video, dunno if fmms supports it Dec 15 04:40:37 good morning Dec 15 04:40:55 helloo Dec 15 04:46:55 maemo notify on xchat is not working properly for me Dec 15 04:47:26 it does show balloons but doesnt make light notify or sound or viberate Dec 15 05:22:05 hey guys i am looking for a digitial compass app for n900 Dec 15 05:23:58 lolloo, xchat isn't native to n900 Dec 15 05:40:57 is there an extras of kernel modules compiled for the power kernel on N900 ? Dec 15 05:41:30 I have host mode USB working for enumeration, but my device (a USB serial adapter) needs the mct_u232 driver Dec 15 06:01:08 is it safe to use n900 in my unix project name on garage? Dec 15 06:01:45 it only mentions maemo since it's trademarked, just wonder if n900 is Dec 15 06:03:24 nevermind just used the name without n900 in it. Dec 15 06:04:59 hope it gets accepted Dec 15 06:08:39 BlessN900 Dec 15 06:09:09 ? Dec 15 06:09:29 It's even commercial Dec 15 06:13:19 or N900fly, or whatever it's called Dec 15 06:15:17 apt-cache search n900|grep n900 Dec 15 06:15:23 :) Dec 15 06:15:31 i don't have the sdk on this laptop Dec 15 06:15:39 wouldn't be worth running on it Dec 15 06:16:08 I see :-D Dec 15 06:17:56 n900-fmrx-enabler livecast-hildon-n900 n900fly blessn900 man-db-n900 con900 irreco-for-n900 faenza-n900-icons n900ftp Dec 15 06:18:01 blah I gotta learn javascript :( Dec 15 06:18:28 DocScrutinizer: I'm mildly curious about getting usb evice drivers compiled for my N900 (usb hostmode), how involved is it to get there from an Ubuntu desktop environment? Dec 15 06:19:03 largely depends on the driver Dec 15 06:19:16 it's a usb serial driver, the mct_u232 Dec 15 06:19:40 should probably 'just work' Dec 15 06:19:54 but, I would need the driver? Dec 15 06:20:00 yes Dec 15 06:20:15 I meant the driver compiling Dec 15 06:20:27 ah, okay I understand you now :) Dec 15 06:21:18 I have not done N900 development, is there some kind of recipe to do it and let the CPU churn while I get a coffee? Dec 15 06:21:30 or, would I need to set up many things on the host system Dec 15 06:22:55 get a cross compiler and make should suffice Dec 15 06:23:10 you usually need a crosscompile environment, like scratchbox or maybe madde (I think the latter is not capable to do driver/kernel development) Dec 15 06:23:46 good to know thank you, will stick to researching n900 and scratchbox :) Dec 15 06:24:18 for kernel/modules, you don't need scratchbox Dec 15 06:24:29 just a x-compiler Dec 15 06:25:26 ds3: know a good tutorial? Dec 15 06:26:30 lucent: not really.. it is more or less self explanatory... biggest difference between normal x86 kernel builds is you need to add 2 parameters Dec 15 06:26:42 ds3: basically I bet you're absolutely right. I'd boggle to try and set it up by myself though Dec 15 06:26:52 i.e. to build a zImage for x86, you would do something like 'make zImage' Dec 15 06:27:16 for the n900 and other ARM platforms - 'make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- zImage' Dec 15 06:27:38 where arm-none-linux-gnueabi- is the prefix for your tool chain...this name is typical for the Code Sourcery stuff Dec 15 06:27:55 so that's the tutorial in a nutshell :D Dec 15 06:28:37 otoh installing sb is just scary enough, so getting x-compiler to work "natively" might be a pleasant experience compared to that :-P Dec 15 06:29:10 userland is scary in general thanks to people who like using poorly designed tools ;) Dec 15 06:29:22 kernel xcompiles easily Dec 15 06:29:24 ds3: we're talking bout modules anyway Dec 15 06:30:00 same idea Dec 15 06:30:05 ds3: which sources would I do this from, mainline or something else? I run 2.6.28.10power46 kernel Dec 15 06:30:10 let me dig up the command line - Dec 15 06:30:36 also thank you very much, for taking the time to explain this Dec 15 06:31:08 do you want in kernel tree modules or out of tree modules? Dec 15 06:31:38 lucent: you need to find the author to get that... I suspect it has patches on top of mainline (which is typical)... since it is GPLed.... Dec 15 06:31:40 the driver I seek to make work is part of mainline, it's the usb serial mct_u232 Dec 15 06:31:50 OH that..that's easy Dec 15 06:31:52 ds3: out of maemo tree Dec 15 06:32:15 get the tree; make ARCH=arm menuconfig; select the kernel (goto option, do 'm'); exit;save config Dec 15 06:32:29 make ARCH=arm CROSS_COMPILE=arm-none-linux-gnueabi- modules Dec 15 06:32:43 that should generate the mct_u232.ko and probally usbserial.ko Dec 15 06:32:51 out of tree is a bit trickier Dec 15 06:33:26 ds3: you're amazing, while I wait for coffee to kick in and just stare :-) Dec 15 06:33:32 DocScrutinizer: is that on a git server or a tarball? Dec 15 06:33:44 DocScrutinizer: have something to do with this stuff being the day job ;) Dec 15 06:33:47 seconded, amazing. Dec 15 06:34:09 :-D Dec 15 06:34:49 ds3: (tar) no idea, was just talking outa my ass and trying to answer lucent's question Dec 15 06:34:54 shame about packet injection code for wifi hardware driver not being released :( Dec 15 06:35:22 btw, you can also set ARM and CROSS_COMPILE as environment variables and just put in your ~/.login or .profile or .bashrc or .... Dec 15 06:35:32 set ARCH I mean Dec 15 06:35:57 I do it on the command line so it is obvious to me what I am compile Dec 15 06:36:11 ds3 have you played with jrbme at all? (bme replacement) Dec 15 06:36:45 oh there is ? :-P Dec 15 06:36:55 lucent: nope... I am trying to limit the experiments I do on it since the n900 is acting as my always on me laptop Dec 15 06:37:34 fcam et al really threw me in for a loop Dec 15 06:38:06 has anyone used jaikuspot since PR1.2? Dec 15 06:38:31 I wonder how the half done version of jrbme has escaped from my laptop X-P Dec 15 06:39:11 hmm, jaikuspot no Dec 15 06:39:33 it's not AP mode though? Dec 15 06:39:41 ds3: seems since mobilehotspot the yoghurt sport pkg has lost a lot of interest Dec 15 06:39:41 DocScrutinizer: are you leaving sshd running and have accounts w/o passwords? ;) Dec 15 06:39:50 I couldn't make use of Ad-Hoc mode for most of my devices Dec 15 06:40:14 ds3: not really :-D Dec 15 06:40:21 DocScrutinizer: mobile hotspot doesn't work for me; donno why Dec 15 06:41:37 umm, I gaher you're a true admin guy, so I suspect you're reluctant to install the power kernel to your "always on you laptop" Dec 15 06:41:54 I have the power kernel installed Dec 15 06:42:08 and have installed hotspot from source or sth Dec 15 06:42:17 oh, then scratch that Dec 15 06:42:20 nope, used app manager to install both Dec 15 06:42:40 I was playing with it but after the fcam fiasco, I am backing off on experiments Dec 15 06:45:11 lucent: up to date there's no real life advantage for users to fuss around with (jr)bme Dec 15 06:45:49 roger that Dec 15 06:45:51 I promised I release a version for h-e-n before new year Dec 15 06:46:08 is there a jrbme for the N800? Dec 15 06:46:13 nope Dec 15 06:46:19 n900 Dec 15 06:47:14 'k Dec 15 06:47:31 has anyone reported a weird problem after using h-e-n where the alerts would go off w/o apparent reason? Dec 15 06:48:28 highlight shall be: support for both hostmodes (powering & charging HM), charging from alien chargers at user defined current, support for hotswap, better battery care than bme Dec 15 06:49:01 hotswap? Dec 15 06:49:13 battery hotswap Dec 15 06:49:46 Oh nice Dec 15 06:50:03 wonder how well would the phone module behave with that feature Dec 15 06:50:23 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=57734 Dec 15 06:50:47 I'm in love with the warning text, already Dec 15 06:50:50 modem spoils the show, you need to switch it off - or gamble Dec 15 06:50:51 very good. Dec 15 06:53:19 I was thinking more of using that to hotswap the SIM Dec 15 06:53:37 just donno if the phone module will appreciate that Dec 15 06:58:11 I'm kind of lost, where to obtain the kernel sources, and the titan power kernel patches Dec 15 06:58:35 not from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/c05693a1-265c-4c7f-a389-fc227db4c465/Maemo_5_SDK.html or yes? Dec 15 06:58:40 wonder if there is a source deb or like? Dec 15 06:59:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide seems to be a howto Dec 15 06:59:09 I'll try following it Dec 15 07:01:27 http://my-maemo.com/index.php?p=6887&c=20 Dec 15 07:26:14 ds3: modem will object to hotswapping SIM. The credentials don't match the SIM anymore (topic PIN etc) Dec 15 07:33:58 is there a port of gnupg2 for the n810? Dec 15 07:43:19 Hi guys! In order to develop PyQt Apps for Maemo 5 which SDK should I download? Should I required any SDK? Can I develop it right on N900? Dec 15 07:44:18 Please? Dec 15 07:46:32 No one? Dec 15 07:47:26 okay then don't speek. Dec 15 07:47:45 i don't use python myself, but to develop for it, you'd need what you'd expect Dec 15 07:47:46 you're aware of python being an interpreting scripting language? Dec 15 07:47:50 python, qt, and the bindings Dec 15 07:48:35 jase21, khteditor for N900 :) Dec 15 07:48:38 you can use the phone, or just write straight pyqt and test it on a desktop... you can also use the sdk to run it in a maemo environment on your computer and have the look/feel as it would on the phone Dec 15 07:49:39 okay Dec 15 07:50:20 So I can write a desktop app using pyqt and straight away run it in maemo, right? (unless I use any maemo specific apis) Dec 15 07:50:45 jase21: btw IRC is no 0900 phone hotline. It's quite bold to expect answer during 180sec and start to bitch if none Dec 15 07:51:25 DocScrutinizer51: Sorry. I'll ask at maemo talk then. Dec 15 07:52:01 oh, the time-til-answer is less than 3 minutes there? :-P Dec 15 07:52:35 yeah, they get paid well there, i hear Dec 15 07:52:42 jase21: I've tried it with PyQT4 and Python and I was able to take something I wrote on my Linux desktop(and ran) and run it from ny N900 without issue Dec 15 07:52:57 Admittedly,, the design of some elements is signifigantly different Dec 15 07:53:13 RobbieThe1st: okay, Dec 15 07:53:24 heh, yeah, like qlistwidget and similar Dec 15 07:53:31 anyway, me go food Dec 15 07:54:11 DocScrutinizer51: How you doing? Dec 15 07:54:25 ~tell jase21 about question Dec 15 07:54:53 ~tell Dec 15 07:54:55 ? Dec 15 07:55:14 infobot seems to be angry with you Doc Dec 15 07:55:21 not at all Dec 15 07:55:36 Then why isn't he responding? Dec 15 07:56:02 she sent you a private query Dec 15 07:56:26 Oh, didn't see that. Let me read that. Hmm Dec 15 07:56:28 which you obviously haven't noticed yet Dec 15 07:57:32 someone knows of gnupg2 port for n810? only found it for n900. Dec 15 07:57:35 Yes. I got that. Dec 15 07:57:53 @doc Dec 15 07:58:36 * jase21 says that he will make Google is best friend. Dec 15 07:58:44 bbl Dec 15 07:58:50 o/ Dec 15 07:59:36 Good Night Dec 15 08:01:57 Dun Dun Dunnnn: http://yro.slashdot.org/story/10/12/15/0153255/Amazon-Taking-Down-Erotica-Removing-From-Kindles Dec 15 08:02:35 Hopefully this'll make people think more in terms of censorship when thinking about an ebook reader Dec 15 08:11:15 Hello Dec 15 08:11:28 How can I start/stop services in Maemo Dec 15 08:11:37 there are not in /etc/init.d/ Dec 15 08:11:44 I thought it was debian-like Dec 15 08:15:17 ploum: There's a special service that does it. I forget the name, but it's something Nokia added. Dec 15 08:15:41 RobbieThe1st, I've tried upstard without success Dec 15 08:15:54 so it's yet another service to launch process ;-) Dec 15 08:21:43 Look at what the camera daemon uses Dec 15 08:28:33 ploum: start xxx; stop xxx Dec 15 08:28:58 ploum: it's upstart Dec 15 08:29:16 DocScrutinizer : doesn't seem to work with dbus Dec 15 08:29:52 errm, dbus? why not? Dec 15 08:31:25 /etc/init.d/dbus stop ? Dec 15 08:32:39 > stop dbus Dec 15 08:32:39 stop: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist Dec 15 08:32:55 IroN900:~# ls /etc/rc2.d/|grep dbus Dec 15 08:32:57 S20dbus Dec 15 08:33:02 yay my project got accepted in garage Dec 15 08:33:03 DocSCrutinizer : no dbus in /etc/init.d, that's why I'm asking Dec 15 08:33:27 ploum: then your system is either a) not maemo5, or b) messed up Dec 15 08:34:07 DocScrutinizer : hmm, maybe I messed it up at some point, will investigate that, sorry then Dec 15 08:34:15 np Dec 15 08:35:15 IroN900:~# ls -l /etc/init.d/dbus Dec 15 08:35:16 -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root 5641 2009-08-12 10:35 /etc/init.d/dbus Dec 15 08:36:15 IroN900:~# ls -l /etc/event.d/dbus* Dec 15 08:36:17 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1586 2009-08-14 09:32 /etc/event.d/dbus Dec 15 08:36:18 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 1586 2009-08-14 09:32 /etc/event.d/dbus-actdead Dec 15 08:36:20 -rw-r--r-- 1 root root 234 2010-01-31 20:06 /etc/event.d/dbus-scripts Dec 15 08:37:10 ploum: ^^^ event.d are upstart Dec 15 08:37:33 a lot of upstart scripts call init.d scripts in turn Dec 15 08:38:34 (the /etc/event.d/dbus-scripts is irrelevant, it's another pkg) Dec 15 08:38:59 cya Dec 15 08:39:36 thanks :-) Dec 15 08:43:20 ploum: haha, upstart is using dbus :-P Dec 15 08:43:51 interesting question how it is supposed to handle a start dbus command Dec 15 08:44:45 your error msg >stop: Name "com.ubuntu.Upstart" does not exist< is related to problems the stop cmd has encountered on dbus Dec 15 08:45:19 (at least that's my take on it) Dec 15 08:50:55 i'd guess he's getting that error because it was able to shut down some parts, but not all Dec 15 08:51:57 interesting Dec 15 08:51:58 never seen an ubuntu reference in maemo5 before :o Dec 15 08:52:20 wait… Dec 15 08:52:25 I messed a bit my system Dec 15 08:52:45 Maybe I copied files from my own computer Dec 15 08:52:52 dam Dec 15 08:53:21 I was not in my scratchbox terminal when I copy/pasted ! Dec 15 08:53:25 that explain all Dec 15 08:53:46 I was in a virtual system I'm testing for a server Dec 15 08:53:49 sorry guys ;-) Dec 15 08:54:37 Morning, all Dec 15 08:58:15 morning Dec 15 09:07:02 Dec 15 09:07:58 "The independent writers who publish on Amazon report that erotica books containing incest are being taken down with no explanation by Amazon, and removed from the Kindles of purchasers of the books." Dec 15 09:08:05 And good morning to you all Dec 15 09:09:10 RST38h: and servers are denied Dec 15 09:09:48 chem|st: Really? Works from here. Dec 15 09:09:58 RST38h: wikileaks Dec 15 09:10:43 Dunno, works fine Dec 15 09:10:46 RST38h: Yea. Brings to light the problem that the OSS people have been talking about for agesa Dec 15 09:11:02 damn right, the will of an unknown group of people should be able to force a company to do business with another group they like! Dec 15 09:11:24 What? I'm talking about the books removed from people's Kindles Dec 15 09:11:51 yeah, it's unfortunate, including the removing it from people who had it... Dec 15 09:12:34 RST38h: in germany the pirates talk about modding the incest law to make it possible to adopt while forbidden to have own children instead of forbidding incest love at all... Dec 15 09:12:54 RST38h: ? Dec 15 09:13:10 incest is legal in most of the US though Dec 15 09:13:26 i believe including in oregon, where amazon is based Dec 15 09:13:41 ieatlint: explains itself... Dec 15 09:13:51 amazon is based in washington Dec 15 09:14:16 oh, right, hah Dec 15 09:14:21 i think it's legal there too :P Dec 15 09:14:30 Considering, though, that there are a number of historical works that -weren't- taken down with the same content... Dec 15 09:14:32 intel is oregon :) Dec 15 09:14:47 ieatlint: the US have proofen to follow an even darker path to hell than germans did 60 years ago Dec 15 09:14:50 Like(at least according to Slashdot) the Bible... Dec 15 09:15:19 ieatlint: that btw hits only religious people, to have politics and religion at least mentioned once a day ;) Dec 15 09:15:19 chem|st: save your rhetoric for people willing to listen Dec 15 09:15:19 whimps ... server DoS against amazon are so childish .. if you want to do a real DoS then order everything you ever wanted from amazon Dec 15 09:15:30 .. and just send it back when it arrives :P Dec 15 09:15:51 cehteh: good idea Dec 15 09:15:55 ieatlint, are you sure about that, I thought incest was ILLEGAL in US except for like second-cousins and further out or something like that? (Although different in certain states) Dec 15 09:16:07 thats actually legal .. and harms them more than server attacks Dec 15 09:16:23 Murder is illegal too - But we have huge amounts of stories about that Dec 15 09:16:25 i take that back, incest is illegal in washington Dec 15 09:16:36 just looked it up :P Dec 15 09:17:01 cehteh: actually that could be considered illegal Dec 15 09:17:11 i'm sure they could call it fraud or similar Dec 15 09:17:14 ieatlint: but you are not allowed to be naked in rooms with windows... Dec 15 09:17:27 chem|st: this is news to me Dec 15 09:17:30 ieatlint, still it doesn't really matter whether it's illegal or not to HAVE incest, it doesn't make works describing incest illegal Dec 15 09:17:37 ieatlint: fraus is when you use the things and dont pay Dec 15 09:17:43 HAVE/take part Dec 15 09:17:50 they offer you a return policy Dec 15 09:17:52 Choose your poison Dec 15 09:17:57 Termana: very true... but the case to remove it is lessened if it's a legal act to begin with Dec 15 09:17:57 ieatlint: that is actualy terms of service of amazon, have a look and send it back if you don't like it Dec 15 09:18:00 you just excercise your rights Dec 15 09:18:25 in california at least, the law says companies are only bound to the return policy in good faith Dec 15 09:18:30 DocScrutinizer: What's your last name? Dec 15 09:18:37 a person seeking to abuse it is not necessarily protected Dec 15 09:18:40 DocScrutinizer: (attributing credit on the bug trail) Dec 15 09:18:53 not even "dont like it" ... the reasons for returning dont need to be specified iirc Dec 15 09:19:01 DocScrutinizer: or can I add you the the CC list ? Dec 15 09:19:11 while i would suggest "wikileaks" is a proper reason Dec 15 09:19:12 Meh. I'll never buy a Kindle; it's just too "fragile", what with Amazon having control over it's contents. Dec 15 09:20:06 I don't have time to read, so I don't care about the Kindle :p Dec 15 09:20:55 hi ArGGu^^ , how is the irc client going? :) Dec 15 09:21:02 * RST38h idly muses that by playing s&m nanny, Amazon actually encourages people to stea^H^Hdownload ebooks instead Dec 15 09:21:10 cehteh: ot: the insurance company now wants my wheatbeer-coked mobile sent in to some repair shop... isnt it less expensive to just pay instead of having 3 people spent hours on it and two 32eur shipments? Dec 15 09:22:19 chem|st, why are you caring about how much it costs - if the insurance company wants to spend more money then they are idiots :p Dec 15 09:22:31 sivang no progress at moment, but my christmas holiday started today so finaly time to start coding :) Dec 15 09:22:41 Termana: I want to keep the damaged device... Dec 15 09:22:51 Oh I see Dec 15 09:22:57 well there is an option I get it back... Dec 15 09:23:57 often they want the dead device to ensure that you aren't abusing your insurance policy (or, to attempt to verify the damage done is covered by the policy) Dec 15 09:24:26 sivang I'm planning to finish it in this holiday :) Dec 15 09:26:45 My holiday lasts about 3 � weeks so I think I can get i done in that time :) Dec 15 09:27:07 *it done Dec 15 09:27:09 well it is not my insurance and it is working, apart of two buttons... "it is drought in wheatbeer" should be enough to have an argument about "you return my repaired wheatbeer device... warranty void and it gets out of service in say one month, may I ask for a replacement then?" Dec 15 09:28:57 Termana: ++ it is a hell of a work to get all my modified files from it and backuped... Dec 15 09:31:00 is it enough to backup and just device lock? Dec 15 09:31:41 encryption frw Dec 15 09:32:37 cehteh: well I would clean out my userdata, I was more thinking of they cannot do anything withit without a reflash Dec 15 09:32:59 and me not doing a reflash in the first place Dec 15 09:33:18 sivang: my full name is Joerg Reisenweber, and you arte free to add me to CC Dec 15 09:33:24 reminds me that i want to try encryption too, just no time yet Dec 15 09:35:01 cehteh: as noone pointed me to a rock solid stable kernel yet and I am to lazy to compile stock with it... I had time I spent for s/t else Dec 15 09:35:35 power46 works for me .. after i reflashed the device after some serious breakacke some weeks ago Dec 15 09:36:02 with works for me i mean its really good, dont even need to reboot every some days Dec 15 09:36:26 uptime 11d ... Dec 15 09:37:12 chem|st: I suggest nuking NOLO Dec 15 09:37:16 ok not that much, but before i rebooted the device every few days to get rid of some fuckup Dec 15 09:38:28 DocScrutinizer: how does that improve that stability of the device? .. agreed that nolo is bad but well .. once you get over it it doesnt matter anymore Dec 15 09:39:18 it was a suggestion targeted at the insurance thing Dec 15 09:40:53 ah :) Dec 15 09:51:04 DocScrutinizer51: what's the email id on meego's bugzilla? Dec 15 09:51:57 I got no account on meego, the gurus told me I don't need any Dec 15 09:55:19 DocScrutinizer51: who where those gurus? I know no guru but myself :-p Dec 15 09:55:23 DocScrutinizer51: and you :) Dec 15 09:55:31 DocScrutinizer51: is that recoverable? Dec 15 09:55:40 DocScrutinizer51, funnily, if you have insurance and you just wanted a new phone or new N900 you could probably just nuke the NOLO bootloader and they would replace it. They wouldn't have a clue that you can restore it, unless they send it to Nokia repair (assuming most repair centres know you can restore it) Dec 15 09:55:54 Not that advocate insurance fraud Dec 15 09:55:58 that I* Dec 15 09:56:07 DocScrutinizer51: just privmsg me an email address then Dec 15 09:56:17 chem|st: easily, if you're an expert Dec 15 09:56:28 ~coldflash Dec 15 09:56:28 coldflash is probably http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing Dec 15 09:56:42 DocScrutinizer51: didn't have to yet Dec 15 09:56:57 DocScrutinizer51: ah ok the coldflash procedure Dec 15 09:58:01 DocScrutinizer51, you mean, easily as long as your not an idiot and can follow a few instructions Dec 15 09:58:07 you're* Dec 15 09:58:07 Termana: exactly Dec 15 09:58:09 ;) Dec 15 09:58:17 Why is it cold a called flash? Dec 15 09:59:04 right... like the guy the other day draining his battery with trying to flash till emergency charging mode... Dec 15 09:59:14 sivang, it follows the same principle of cold and warm reboots Dec 15 09:59:26 (on a PC) Dec 15 09:59:54 sivang: flash with on device and off device Dec 15 10:00:14 eg. a warm reboot is where you reboot it and leave it on, a cold reboot is where you do a complete shutdown and then reboot Dec 15 10:00:31 ah, I see, so falshing while there's nothing running on the device and flasher treats it is a plain USB storage? Dec 15 10:00:42 sivang: it's called cold as the system isn't started Dec 15 10:01:12 everyone else has used better terms of describing it than I did. I should go hang my head on the wall of shame Dec 15 10:01:13 :P Dec 15 10:01:57 Termana: growing to knowledge how to explain you will young padawan Dec 15 10:02:11 lol Dec 15 10:03:00 it's basically from EE/hw domain, where a cold system is one that just powered up Dec 15 10:03:27 and I jsut said "it was him..." http://media.photobucket.com/image/yoda%20jail/K-909/yoda.jpg Dec 15 10:03:41 while hot means 'while up and running' Dec 15 10:03:57 DocScrutinizer51: ah, so hardware is init'd but just it Dec 15 10:04:01 ? Dec 15 10:04:14 sivang: yep Dec 15 10:04:35 Is "Marble" worth keeping on the device? Dec 15 10:04:41 DocScrutinizer51: in these terms both are cold flashes Dec 15 10:04:58 hmm, somewhat Dec 15 10:04:59 I am trying to use it, but it constantly keeps CPU at 100% and is completely unresponsive. Anyone has different experience? Dec 15 10:05:14 but you can argue NOLO is a system Dec 15 10:05:20 sw system Dec 15 10:05:26 DocScrutinizer51: kind of yes Dec 15 10:05:52 well, those terms are fuzzy anyway Dec 15 10:06:26 I'd like to get nolo to export all to usb instead of those two partitions only Dec 15 10:06:36 hot-xxx means 'do xxx while system running' Dec 15 10:06:44 compare hotswap Dec 15 10:07:10 hotswap means while port is powered Dec 15 10:07:12 or 'while system powered' Dec 15 10:07:35 http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Datei:IPhone_sales_per_quarter_simple.svg Dec 15 10:07:47 pupnik: who cares Dec 15 10:08:09 i keep thinking of the lady bear in the youtube Dec 15 10:08:25 anyone knows if it is possible to grant write permissions in maemo bugzilla for a project to other guy? Dec 15 10:08:51 is there a ping of death where i can set them on fire? Dec 15 10:09:02 better yet, explode while they're talking? Dec 15 10:09:16 and 2010-Q4 is that high because you now can buy it without SIM Dec 15 10:09:20 dneary: css checked out. Dec 15 10:09:46 pupnik: Why limit yourself to iphone users? Dec 15 10:10:04 X-Fade, Thanks! I was just about to ask Dec 15 10:10:15 hi Dec 15 10:10:22 MohammadAG: good morning Dec 15 10:10:24 dneary: I watch the commits list ;) Dec 15 10:10:29 Now to see how long before someone complains... See https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10093 for details Dec 15 10:10:30 Bug 10093: Horizontal lines after level 1-2 headings in wiki.maemo.org Dec 15 10:12:10 X-Fade, It already messes some things up on the home page Dec 15 10:12:29 (the "Register" button is in a h element) Dec 15 10:12:57 dneary: Better override it in the wiki css then? Dec 15 10:13:22 X-Fade, As per my comment, I don't want to have something that is different just for the wiki Dec 15 10:13:39 It's not a special case, I think. Dec 15 10:13:39 dneary: Well then you need to check every single case :) Dec 15 10:14:07 On content pages it looks great Dec 15 10:14:52 The only places where it might not be OK are in headers, portal pages like downloads & news (where there are other decorative elements too which are duplication) and in sidebar menus (where it looks fine, I think) Dec 15 10:15:22 dneary: could you fix that annoying centered layout when showing a single tmo post please Dec 15 10:15:46 DocScrutinizer51, For tmo, please talk to Reggie, nothing to do with me Dec 15 10:15:56 aah ok Dec 15 10:15:57 Create a bug & point him at it :) Dec 15 10:17:05 X-Fade, OK, I'm going to do a quick fix to get 90% of the issues Dec 15 10:17:13 I'm going to drop underlining from h3s Dec 15 10:17:36 dneary: ok. Dec 15 10:18:46 Done Dec 15 10:19:04 updated Dec 15 10:19:16 I want to make a little modification on a package; but then how do i compile and install it? Dec 15 10:20:29 dneary: *sigh* opening a ticket... Dec 15 10:20:51 DocScrutinizer51, Reggie isn't in the habit of using Bugzilla - I'm using you to get to him ;) Dec 15 10:21:02 X-Fade, Thanks Dec 15 10:21:21 dneary: probably too much effort for tmo Dec 15 10:21:29 inkbottle: could you elaborate? Dec 15 10:22:46 :) Dec 15 10:23:33 Venemo: I'm using agenda in testing, and there is something not working. So I've read the sources, and I'd like to make a modification Dec 15 10:23:54 inkbottle: and what's the problem? Dec 15 10:24:05