**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Dec 16 02:59:57 2010 Dec 16 03:38:28 hi. Dec 16 03:38:53 hi Dec 16 03:44:28 mobile develop is complex Dec 16 03:45:04 How did you know Jay_BEE was going to ask if mobile development was easy?! Dec 16 03:45:33 uhh... Dec 16 05:29:42 FauxFaux, that wasn't meant for Jay_BEE Dec 16 05:29:55 I was just saying it because I'm frustrated at it Dec 16 05:30:28 i believe FauxFaux was having fun Dec 16 05:30:44 hehe Dec 16 05:31:01 ugh I wish they'd update cmake to 2.8 Dec 16 05:31:03 :( Dec 16 05:42:08 oooh, google just taught me a new word... "penultimate" .. now i can sound even more bombastic Dec 16 06:42:17 so, there is dbus activation that startups services ondemand. now, is there dbus DEactivation so service will stop when nobody it connected to it via dbus? Dec 16 06:42:58 morning, btw Dec 16 06:54:57 other question -- anyone knows threaded mail reader for n900? :) Dec 16 07:51:47 I think thp's blog post is a bit off. What core apps use Qt? I can't think of one that would require backwards maintainability. Dec 16 08:03:52 * DocScrutinizer51 waves. bbl Dec 16 08:42:15 114 tabs, 4.6 vaccinations provided, 11.4 books donated, 0.6 person's clean water provided, 1.1 square feet of shelter provided and 11.4 trees planted Dec 16 08:42:23 Feel the burn of my chrome for a cause Dec 16 09:12:03 alterego: i'm not talking about core apps requiring qt - do i? Dec 16 09:13:59 ..or backwards maintainability for that matter. Dec 16 09:18:08 Is there a way to send mail from the command line on Maemo 5? Dec 16 09:19:34 http://www.simplehelp.net/2008/12/01/how-to-send-email-from-the-linux-command-line/ Dec 16 09:19:36 ? Dec 16 09:19:39 dunno Dec 16 09:24:47 spiritd: Sorry, no. That's not it. Dec 16 09:25:57 you can use dbus to create a new email and fill in the recipient, subject, body (and attach any files)... but would require pressing the send button still Dec 16 09:33:10 thp: seemed like it, with the mention of a qt legacy package. I can't see the use if all packages that use it are open. Dec 16 09:39:43 ieatlint: where can I get more information on that? Dec 16 09:40:12 um, i think it's on the wiki... will check Dec 16 09:40:23 if not, i have an old piece of code i can probably find where i did it Dec 16 09:41:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Messaging has a very basic example Dec 16 09:53:27 apt-get update; apt get install apt; gives package apt is not available but the following packages replaces it, apt-utils, etc. I already have apt-utils and apt-get remove apt would remove apt-utils as well... i have some nokia repos, extras, extras-devel and extras-devel-testing in my sources.list. how can I resolve this? Dec 16 09:58:55 resolve what? Dec 16 09:58:57 alterego: where was a qt legacy package mentioned in the blog post? Dec 16 10:01:50 DocScrutinizer51: apt-get upgrade wants to upgrade apt but it doesn't work. sorry forgot to mention that :) Dec 16 10:03:39 probably apt-get upgrade no good idea anyway Dec 16 10:04:13 DocScrutinizer51: apt is the only package left Dec 16 10:25:56 hi guys Dec 16 10:39:03 where can I download official firmware for n900 with EN localization Dec 16 10:40:20 ~flashing Dec 16 10:40:21 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 16 10:40:25 all links are there Dec 16 10:44:51 jacekowski thx Dec 16 10:58:37 Morning everyone ! Dec 16 11:00:11 servus Khertan_ Dec 16 11:02:13 servus humillimus Domine spectabilis pupnik Dec 16 11:03:12 gorillapod mobile works! Dec 16 11:03:38 ty, learned something today Dec 16 11:06:10 morning Dec 16 11:08:48 http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html Dec 16 11:11:27 morning MohammadAG :) Dec 16 11:13:33 RST38h: That's surprisingly funny Dec 16 11:16:17 are there applications that will make n900 act as a bluetooth keyboard & mouse remote controlling htpc/ps3? Dec 16 11:16:35 like logitech dinovo Dec 16 11:16:39 +mini Dec 16 11:16:45 morning Venemo :) Dec 16 11:16:53 Where I should copy jazz jackrabit files on NOKIA N900 (openjazz) ? Dec 16 11:17:01 Tried everything :( Dec 16 11:17:06 http://www.logitech.com/en-us/keyboards/keyboard/devices/3848 Dec 16 11:17:33 MohammadAG: interested in the latest version? Dec 16 11:17:36 pexi, bluemaemo afaik Dec 16 11:17:38 ofc dinovo is great but also in price :) Dec 16 11:17:48 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/wolf3d/ - copy files to MyDocs Dec 16 11:17:58 I have no folder MyDocs on Nokia N900 :( Dec 16 11:18:40 retro|cz: because your n900 is plugged Dec 16 11:18:58 marmoute, so how can I copy files there ? Dec 16 11:19:06 lcuk, thanks Dec 16 11:19:06 marmoute, using USB cabel to copy Dec 16 11:19:17 Venemo, sure :) Dec 16 11:19:20 sadly no win media center support Dec 16 11:19:59 MohammadAG: ok, moment :) Dec 16 11:24:07 oh. media center version works Dec 16 11:24:08 great Dec 16 11:24:10 :) Dec 16 11:24:45 MohammadAG: did you have a patched version of MfE which works with gmail email ? Dec 16 11:24:46 :) Dec 16 11:25:03 isn't MfE closed? :P Dec 16 11:25:11 retro|cz: the MyDocs director is the one mounted Dec 16 11:25:25 MohammadAG: maybe Dec 16 11:25:26 :( Dec 16 11:25:28 MohammadAG: Like that has stopped you before ;-P Dec 16 11:25:37 marmoute, ok Dec 16 11:25:53 MohammadAG: so maybe time to start an open source implementation working with modest ? Dec 16 11:25:55 :) Dec 16 11:26:19 mediaplayer's OSS implementation in progress :P Dec 16 11:26:28 * MohammadAG removes the 's Dec 16 11:26:28 grrr i got a sync error, nothing visible in modest, but got email notification Dec 16 11:26:46 * MohammadAG uses Nokia Messaging tbh Dec 16 11:48:50 "Wikileaks To Leak 5000 Open Source Java Projects With All That Private/Final Bullshit Removed " Dec 16 11:50:21 wow, http://blog.mises.org/13673/using-the-mises-catalog-with-android/ Dec 16 11:55:32 ? Dec 16 11:55:56 alterego: ping Dec 16 11:56:49 hi Dec 16 11:57:04 hello Dec 16 12:05:10 MohammadAG: Yes, it works :) Dec 16 12:05:31 X-Fade, lol Dec 16 12:05:45 X-Fade, push email? :P Dec 16 12:05:55 RST38h: they have been open-sourcing economics books for 10 years Dec 16 12:06:10 making deals with publishers, copyright holders Dec 16 12:06:24 X-Fade, assuming I had no typos, this should launch a terminal the dbus way Dec 16 12:10:50 X-Fade, shouldn't it have imported the package by now? Dec 16 12:12:18 where should i look for keyboard hooks, i want to simulate Fn button being pressed all the time in my app... Dec 16 12:12:22 any idea? Dec 16 12:12:49 can't you just use normal key codes? Dec 16 12:13:31 if so, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=650625&postcount=5 Dec 16 12:13:43 yes, but im incapable of setting the "shift" state to pressed all the time Dec 16 12:14:23 hmm Dec 16 12:14:30 for Fn button key code i got 228 Dec 16 12:14:44 (the blue arrow) Dec 16 12:15:07 no longer have the binary to check :P Dec 16 12:15:22 doesnt matter anyways Dec 16 12:15:29 i can detect it being pressed Dec 16 12:15:38 the problem is Dec 16 12:16:05 my text field (gtk based) doesnt behave like other programs Dec 16 12:16:08 keyboar wise Dec 16 12:16:36 eg, when you pres the blue arrow once, next key u press will be like u were holding the arrow Dec 16 12:16:47 in my text field Dec 16 12:16:55 you have to hold the arrow and press the key Dec 16 12:17:19 so im trying to simulate that behavior manualy... Dec 16 12:17:29 sorry for my english btw... Dec 16 12:17:52 (and my general typing :P) Dec 16 12:24:44 hildon.Entry? Dec 16 12:41:53 wasn't there a way to hide a desktop icon? Dec 16 12:49:37 MohammadAG tried adding NoDisplay=true in .desktop file? Dec 16 12:49:53 yeah, already found it Dec 16 13:09:02 [13:25] hildon.Entry? nope, a custom memo box called SynEdit Dec 16 13:11:25 trx, why custom? Dec 16 13:12:17 because it supports code highlighting, code folding, macros, etc.. Dec 16 13:12:54 very powerfull.. Dec 16 13:13:16 u will see my app as soon as i figure out how to pack a .deb file :/ Dec 16 13:13:41 im new to linux programming Dec 16 13:14:55 forget the deb, share a tarball Dec 16 13:15:46 ok Dec 16 13:16:09 i'm just suggesting it :_ Dec 16 13:16:22 of course normal users want a .deb Dec 16 13:16:29 anybody knows if there have power settings changed in pr1.3? Dec 16 13:16:56 my device consumes twice the power when it's idle since i upgraded to 1.3 Dec 16 13:18:02 with 1.2 i lost about 10% battery per day when idle and now at least 20% :( Dec 16 13:18:04 pupnik yeah, ill give u a link, just to check it out it is in dev stage, i plan to add alot more options Dec 16 13:20:46 http://www.devbin.org/txpad.tar.gz Dec 16 13:21:07 if anyone wants to check it out so far.. Dec 16 13:24:14 congrats trx Dec 16 13:25:08 ty Dec 16 13:25:58 trx, how does it perform compared to pygtkedit? (which has afaik an editing widget which is c based and does what yours does, or similar at least) Dec 16 13:26:33 i havent really tested pygtkedit much Dec 16 13:27:18 i wanted to create an ui which would be similar to ui i am used to Dec 16 13:27:32 like delphi's code editor Dec 16 13:28:09 lcuk, and it uses a normal hildon widget afaik Dec 16 13:28:19 and add things that would speed up my work.. Dec 16 13:28:51 trx, of course Dec 16 13:29:17 MohammadAG, it might do, but its been customised up to do code layout and afaik colorizing Dec 16 13:29:19 ask Khertan_ Dec 16 13:30:02 lcuk, yep, I know, I use it ;) Dec 16 13:30:24 lcuk, actually, switched to Khteditor, kinda snappier Dec 16 13:30:50 sure, i was just mentioning like for like though Dec 16 13:31:52 frals: Isnt fmms supposed to connect to internet like the most other apps do when you tap on a new incomming mms? Dec 16 13:32:01 now i have to activate it manually first Dec 16 13:33:24 would it be wrong to have some parts of my application require portrait mode while others use Landscape? Dec 16 13:34:53 no Dec 16 13:35:04 If it's appropriate to the interface, it's just fine IMO. Dec 16 13:35:14 morning javispedro Dec 16 13:35:15 You probably want to consider if there are ways round it Dec 16 13:35:52 morning Dec 16 13:37:06 morning javispedro Dec 16 13:38:22 SpeedEvil, yeah, because I will have some views there just display a list of items that the user can select. see the server list, channel list, user list and thought it'd be better to display it using Portrait rather than Landscape for it Dec 16 13:38:38 And wondered if user's be annoyed at that Dec 16 13:40:59 yes, they will be annoyed, but they bought a n900 so they will be used to being annoyed already. Dec 16 13:41:20 javispedro, hahah Dec 16 13:41:35 I guess I could always make it use both Dec 16 13:43:13 but now i'm going to try and get some more sleep Dec 16 13:46:34 hi. does somebody know of an gnupg2 port for the n810? Dec 16 13:52:20 is gnupg2 available for n810? only know that it is for n900. Dec 16 13:53:40 * javispedro sighs Dec 16 13:55:35 EHLO javispedro Dec 16 13:56:52 heya Dec 16 13:56:57 test & vote please :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ Dec 16 13:57:08 what do I get in return? Dec 16 13:57:28 a botsnacK! Dec 16 13:57:34 MohammadAG: you ow me :P Dec 16 13:57:39 owe .. :P Dec 16 13:57:51 you're right lol Dec 16 13:57:53 bbl Dec 16 13:57:55 alterego, does it work? Dec 16 13:58:06 An XBox360 maybe? Dec 16 13:58:13 actually Dec 16 13:58:15 yeah, see tmo thread for possible issues Dec 16 13:58:18 since I'm against testing's policy Dec 16 13:58:25 Imma vote up Dec 16 13:58:31 others said it works Dec 16 13:58:36 mainly "buttons too small" Dec 16 13:59:01 hah. "A method of operating a video game box via a wireless transceiver" is now patented. Dec 16 13:59:02 voted based on others' opinions :P Dec 16 13:59:18 Fine for me I may rejig iface for 1.1 ... Dec 16 13:59:31 the N900's IR isn't a transceiver, see what I did there? Dec 16 13:59:38 kthxbye bbl Dec 16 13:59:45 lol Dec 16 14:00:02 fscked patent system Dec 16 14:00:14 Granted December 7, 2010 Dec 16 14:00:15 * javispedro sighs Dec 16 14:04:06 * javispedro sighs and sighs Dec 16 14:04:15 4 times in half an hour. Dec 16 14:04:16 bad day... Dec 16 14:06:32 What? Dec 16 14:07:20 GAN900: I just shouldn't have read tmo today ;) Dec 16 14:07:48 Haha Dec 16 14:07:57 That's ALWAYS true. Dec 16 14:11:00 is there anywhere an archive of older maemo packages available? Dec 16 14:11:29 need the previous version of htop Dec 16 14:11:37 nope Dec 16 14:11:39 it's gone Dec 16 14:11:48 bummer Dec 16 14:12:08 source sould be there Dec 16 14:12:36 javispedro: Check out this one instead: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/12/haskell-researchers-announce-discovery.html Dec 16 14:12:56 javispedro: And this: http://steve-yegge.blogspot.com/2010/07/wikileaks-to-leak-5000-open-source-java.html Dec 16 14:13:24 * javispedro lols at the second headline Dec 16 14:14:08 * javispedro bookmarks Dec 16 14:14:24 who is behind it? onion news network should hire him Dec 16 14:14:58 RST38h: :) I wrote a haskel program once. Dec 16 14:16:48 lcuk, MohammadAG ? Dec 16 14:17:00 ? Dec 16 14:17:21 you say my nickname but i didn't have the historic :) Dec 16 14:17:44 oh, trx, how does it perform compared to pygtkedit? (which has afaik an editing widget which is c based and does what yours does, or similar at least) Dec 16 14:18:31 League Of Java Programmers For Deprecating The Living Shit Out Of Everything Dec 16 14:18:32 oh :) Dec 16 14:18:55 does anyone know how to open a file with its default handler from terminal? Dec 16 14:18:57 Hum ... PyGTKEditor 2.x use a c widget ... 3.x do it in python only :) Dec 16 14:19:16 a hildon widget right? Dec 16 14:19:19 or is it custom? Dec 16 14:20:18 * MohammadAG wonders when wikileaks will hold Maemo 5's source code Dec 16 14:20:37 hildon widget ... TextArea ... if i remember well and coloration highlighting is done with python and gtk.TextArea methods Dec 16 14:20:39 MohammadAG: s:/source code/documentation/ Dec 16 14:21:32 javispedro: yea, it does look like an Onion-Technology piece =) Dec 16 14:22:37 javispedro, when you have the source code, why do you care about docs? Dec 16 14:22:52 because docs sounds more surrealist Dec 16 14:22:59 and thus more likely to happen =) Dec 16 14:24:11 javispedro, and if the docs don't exist? Dec 16 14:24:31 isn't the gamecube as powerful as a PS2? sorta? Dec 16 14:24:43 MohammadAG: feel free to laugh at the thread. Dec 16 14:24:53 MohammadAG: the NGC is slightly more powerful. Dec 16 14:25:15 hahahaha Dec 16 14:25:17 there :P Dec 16 14:25:28 MohammadAG: I mean at the NGC emulator request thread =) Dec 16 14:25:34 I know Dec 16 14:25:42 that's why I asked about ti :P Dec 16 14:25:44 it* Dec 16 14:27:08 * javispedro notes it is SDL GL so it would probably run as is if built under sbox and run under preenv Dec 16 14:27:38 javispedro, 600MHz aren't enough to run it Dec 16 14:27:41 so someone could build it, report it goes up to 11111^12 fps Dec 16 14:27:50 MohammadAG: I know Dec 16 14:27:59 then release it, post a faked video, get some press. Dec 16 14:28:10 and watch the desesperate lemmings Dec 16 14:28:16 * javispedro wants some revenge today Dec 16 14:28:20 then a C&D Dec 16 14:29:25 anyone know how to remove arrays in a QSettings object? Dec 16 14:29:55 just wondering if remove()ing the base name will remove the entire array Dec 16 14:30:10 "OMG! Gamecube on my N900! But it runs out of memory before the first frame! But it works on the video! So that means I just need to overclock more to get it to work!!" Dec 16 14:30:31 insurance comp. wants me to ship in "all" my n900 periferals with the device, or they will charge a discount on the returning Dec 16 14:30:36 http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/16/nokia-ups-the-ante-on-apple-adds-13-more-patents-to-the-24-alre Dec 16 14:30:42 javispedro, RST38h ^ Dec 16 14:30:54 those companies suck Dec 16 14:31:28 what they gonna do with the stuff? sell it on ebay? or even bin it? Dec 16 14:32:17 is there any equivalent of the build-essential package on maemo? Dec 16 14:32:59 nope Dec 16 14:33:10 on the sdk you have maemo-sdk-dev but it is way larger Dec 16 14:33:39 sdk is a bit overkill only to build a package from source Dec 16 14:33:44 I thought there was a build-essential package Dec 16 14:34:04 you want to build a package ON device? Dec 16 14:34:43 javispedro: what do you mean? i want to compile it from source Dec 16 14:34:46 MohammadAG: you are right indeed. in SDK too. Dec 16 14:34:49 * MohammadAG has an on-device SDK Dec 16 14:34:51 s/too/only Dec 16 14:34:54 johndo: then you need SDK Dec 16 14:35:02 johndo: scratchbox is a minimum you need Dec 16 14:35:10 * MohammadAG would share it, but Nokia legal might rape my ass Dec 16 14:35:21 MohammadAG: does it fit? Dec 16 14:35:36 hmm, you have that extended /home Dec 16 14:35:51 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 1073741824 Oct 18 01:35 /home/user/MyDocs/maemo-sdk-v1_2.img.ext2 Dec 16 14:36:14 simple chroot Dec 16 14:36:14 or use a partition on sdk card Dec 16 14:36:16 *sd Dec 16 14:36:38 * MohammadAG prefers to keep everything under one image Dec 16 14:37:02 I asked X-Fade to ping them, not sure if he did though Dec 16 14:37:26 MohammadAG: remember how SCO moved from Technology to Litigation sector and how it went? =) Dec 16 14:41:05 jacekowski: scratchbox is only available for pc, not for the n900? Dec 16 14:41:40 yep Dec 16 14:41:46 you can download all -dev packages Dec 16 14:41:47 and gcc Dec 16 14:41:57 so i can't compile a package on the n900?? Dec 16 14:42:05 download compiler Dec 16 14:42:12 and -dev packages Dec 16 14:42:19 but it will take quite a bit of space Dec 16 14:42:27 hmm Dec 16 14:42:31 you can, but these things'll eat your rootfs Dec 16 14:42:59 sigh Dec 16 14:43:06 or you can make a chroot image Dec 16 14:43:12 RST38h, what's SCO? :P Dec 16 14:43:13 i guess i have to live with that broken htop :( Dec 16 14:43:31 which source do you want compiled? Dec 16 14:43:34 broken how? Dec 16 14:43:43 htop, previous version Dec 16 14:43:48 link? Dec 16 14:43:51 cant change fonts anymore Dec 16 14:44:18 http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/htop/htop_0.8.3-1maemo2.dsc Dec 16 14:44:47 johndo: If downloading the compiler, I recommend enabling the tools repo, copying /' onto /home/user/chroot - or whatever - removing tools repo. Dec 16 14:45:05 Then chroot into that directory, and install build-essentials Dec 16 14:45:31 ~seen Arkenoi Dec 16 14:45:37 arkenoi is currently on #maemo, last said: 'RST38h, ah, nice thing'. Dec 16 14:45:54 Arkenoi: ping. Dec 16 14:46:10 Failed to fetch http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/source/h/htop/htop_0.8.3.orig.tar.gz MD5Sum mismatch Dec 16 14:46:41 huh? Dec 16 14:46:45 MohammadAG: nice :/ Dec 16 14:48:30 building Dec 16 14:49:11 done Dec 16 14:49:49 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/public/maemo/debfiles/htop_0.8.3-1maemo2_armel.deb johndo Dec 16 14:52:27 MohammadAG: i try it, thank you Dec 16 14:52:41 yw Dec 16 15:17:26 Hmmm, how the &%§ does one authorize a new contact in the "Chat/SMS" non-app of the n900? Dec 16 15:18:57 usually you get a notification asking about that Dec 16 16:00:46 yup, 3G and IRC, while riding on a train, cuts thru battery like cookies Dec 16 16:04:08 try gsm :D Dec 16 16:04:37 DocScrutinizer51: yeah... experienced it myself :) Dec 16 16:04:56 DocScrutinizer51: however for barely covered areas, EDGE and IRC sucks the battery too Dec 16 16:05:35 can irc servers cache/burst their sent data? Dec 16 16:05:45 tha twould help a lot Dec 16 16:06:06 user settable from 2-20 seconds for e.g. Dec 16 16:08:20 pupnik: *somebody* was developing sth like that. I planned to patch my ZNC same way, but haven't got to it yet Dec 16 16:09:23 even 45s would be fine. 2s absolutely worthless with UMTS Dec 16 16:09:42 IRC checks for data every 2s? Dec 16 16:09:53 nah Dec 16 16:10:17 * MohammadAG usually lags 15s, so he'd be fine with 15s bursts Dec 16 16:10:34 IRC sends data packets at arbitrary points in time Dec 16 16:11:29 DocScrutinizer51 thanks, i didn't think of doing it on my own machine Dec 16 16:11:50 UMTS stays active for quite some seconds after transfer Dec 16 16:12:00 ahhh Dec 16 16:12:38 to get fancy, your proxy should reduce the cache time when you're typing and increase it if you're idle Dec 16 16:13:03 yep Dec 16 16:13:13 Hi Dec 16 16:13:14 was on my specs Dec 16 16:13:21 Anyone find my hand-off email useful? Dec 16 16:13:46 Felt like it was redundant, since most of the stuff I've documented was done many moons ago Dec 16 16:14:44 dneary: what email? Dec 16 16:15:14 Venemo_N900, "Preparing the hand-over" on maemo-community Dec 16 16:15:26 Useful information anyone interested in community docs should read Dec 16 16:16:01 can you give me a link? Dec 16 16:18:25 Venemo_N900, Ehm... http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo-community+%22Preparing+the+hand-over%22&l=1 Dec 16 16:19:07 dneary, actually offering web links when discussing mail really adds context :P Dec 16 16:19:36 lcuk, But lmgtfy is so handy! Dec 16 16:20:04 nah, lmgtfy is too much overhead. can't be arsed to invoke that here in on the train, via shaky 2G Dec 16 16:20:40 http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/community/63942 Dec 16 16:21:15 DocScrutinizer51, that's why you don't enable 3G usually, especially when you know that you are far away from a recharge opportunity ;) Dec 16 16:22:21 yacc: I'm far away from 3G, sitting on a mains outlet and N900 charging :-P Dec 16 16:23:00 DocScrutinizer51: Luckily, the N900 has a changeable battery, and there are external charger for your secondary pack, ... Dec 16 16:23:32 Although, if I knew that I'll be taking a long voyage, I'd probably upgrade to 3-4 BL-5J instead of the 2 that I've got now :) Dec 16 16:24:06 E here Dec 16 16:24:11 3 Dec 16 16:24:20 lol. Dec 16 16:24:56 German ICE train just fine - 230V socket on each seat Dec 16 16:26:00 they even have crappy hotspot on board, for several bucks/day Dec 16 16:26:19 now you just need the pants with integrated chargers Dec 16 16:27:02 eh: the nokia wallwart fits into my jacket pocket Dec 16 16:29:55 DocScrutinizer: Well, the old ICEs have been all replaced then I guess. Dec 16 16:30:17 DocScrutinizer51, that leaves only ICs with 4 outlets per couch ;) Dec 16 16:32:22 actually 2, but you hardly ever meet anybody else using even one of them Dec 16 16:41:49 * ShadowJK is making pants with integrated charger Dec 16 16:41:57 I hate QLists Dec 16 16:45:52 lardman: i'm sure the feeling is mutual Dec 16 16:49:31 lardman: why is that? Dec 16 16:50:03 lardman: the QLists have been nice to me so far Dec 16 16:52:17 ShadowJK, that would be awesome Dec 16 16:53:52 ~MohammadAG Dec 16 16:53:52 it has been said that mohammadag is your father Dec 16 16:54:03 lol Dec 16 16:55:17 MohammadAG: why are you my father? :D Dec 16 16:55:19 ShadowJK: a jacket with solarcharger would be nice too Dec 16 16:55:35 No sun this time of year :) Dec 16 16:55:49 Actually I saw half of it over the trees across the lake at noon today :D Dec 16 16:56:08 ShadowJK: doesn't matter solar chargers work on "light" not only "sun" Dec 16 16:56:12 I want to make a proper mobile charger. Dec 16 16:56:18 chem|st: they really don't Dec 16 16:56:38 chem|st: Output in indirect light will typically be 1/10th or less outdoors Dec 16 16:56:53 Indoors - not right next to a window - forget it. Dec 16 16:57:12 Proper charger - thing the size of a n900. Dec 16 16:57:32 nah Dec 16 16:57:45 You open it out, then put it on hte floor, and step on it 150 times, like a car foot-pump, and it's charged, and can charge the n900 Dec 16 16:57:48 SpeedEvil: mmh all my solar powered gadgets work when I turn on the light in my room... Dec 16 16:57:54 just make a fusion reactor small enough to fit into the N900 Dec 16 16:58:06 chem|st: if you mean solar calculators, the amount of power they use is truly insanely small Dec 16 16:58:25 Venemo_N900: there are powersources you dont want to pay... Dec 16 16:58:27 Your typical calculator will use around a microamp at 3V Dec 16 16:58:38 is there a way to enter in all my contact from my pc and sync them to my n900? typing them in 1 by 1 is going to take forever. Dec 16 16:58:39 err - 1.5v Dec 16 16:58:59 The n900 needs around a million times this to charge Dec 16 16:59:07 and uses 1/4x1" solar field... Dec 16 16:59:16 Venemo_N900, I wanted it to say I AM YOUR FATHER, but it failed Dec 16 16:59:23 10%-20% of rated power when the sun is shining directly towards the panel at the correct angle, but blocked by clouds, sounds about right to me. The amount of power you'd get from just "light" is probably smaller :) Dec 16 16:59:28 MohammadAG: hehe Dec 16 17:00:37 does anyone know how to export a partition other than mmcblk0p1 via USB? Dec 16 17:00:44 MohammadAG: but you can't be my father Dec 16 17:00:48 ShadowJK: that's where I come from... I do not expect high grade 24.8% efficiency on a solar-jacket! Dec 16 17:01:51 Venemo_N900: I've got 3 lists, one containing QStrings, one containing bools and one containing ints Dec 16 17:02:19 the QString and bool ones are fine, but the one containing ints changes when I pass it to other classes Dec 16 17:02:29 * SpeedEvil has been doing research on solar panel possibilities in scotland. Dec 16 17:02:42 * SpeedEvil wishes that governmental incentives were sane Dec 16 17:02:49 but 2 10x3" solarpanels on the shoulderpads should be enough to supply at least enough power to extend the life to some more hours! Dec 16 17:02:54 lardman: interesting. Dec 16 17:03:02 zeenix: yes, I'm sure the feeling is mutual ;) Dec 16 17:03:35 I've been arsing about passing pointers to lists, by ref, etc., and they still change Dec 16 17:04:18 hm, N810 light meter says 5 lux in my room right now Dec 16 17:04:19 lardman: You're looking at about 6W in the hot desert sun - or maybe 1W outside in diffuse light, if lucky Dec 16 17:04:40 5 lux is on the order of 1/100th of a watt per square meter. Dec 16 17:05:38 Yeah I just figured out if it was the Sun and not CFL I'd need a 850 square meter solar panel Dec 16 17:05:41 to charge N900 :) Dec 16 17:06:19 or about 9000 square feet Dec 16 17:06:36 The above idea - car-footpump type - is problematic only mechanically alas. Dec 16 17:06:42 Packaging and gearboxes are hard. Dec 16 17:06:54 ya :/ Dec 16 17:07:28 lardman, why 3 lists out of interest Dec 16 17:07:33 can dbus service somehow detect when clients connect/disconnect to it? Dec 16 17:07:43 are they holding different aspects of the same set of objects Dec 16 17:07:57 yeah name, priority and whether it's enabled Dec 16 17:08:02 ie each object has a {string,int,bool} Dec 16 17:08:03 quick question... i have new N900... should I install latest firmware if i want use devel packages like aircrack, hostmode, etc.? Dec 16 17:08:21 I thought this would be a quick and dirty way to test before moving onto incorporate that data in the plugins themselves Dec 16 17:11:38 lcuk: I suggested that yesterday Dec 16 17:12:08 I thought it would be finished yesterday too! Dec 16 17:13:09 spiritd: h-e-n hostmode will install all it needs Dec 16 17:13:52 well at least you don't really need to 'update firmware' Dec 16 17:14:50 DocScrutinizer ... apt-get upgrade do the same? Dec 16 17:15:18 DocScrutinizer ... i dont know... i am using debian on my server... so ... i have N900 for 3 hours... Dec 16 17:15:27 btw i am getting failed catalouges Dec 16 17:15:54 never do apt-get upgrade. It usually breaks your system Dec 16 17:16:06 lol :) Dec 16 17:17:53 what signal is emitted when the arrow-where-close-button-would-be button is pressed for a Qt window? Dec 16 17:18:02 stacked window that is Dec 16 17:18:30 [54256.091125] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible Dec 16 17:18:31 [54256.283905] mmc0: card aaaa removed Dec 16 17:18:46 lardman, it's just an X button Dec 16 17:19:41 I can't see where it's created though and what's attached to it Dec 16 17:19:54 lardman, QMainWindow? Dec 16 17:20:17 yes Dec 16 17:20:33 the arrow is just the way Maemo makes a stacked window Dec 16 17:20:44 on a normal PC it's just an X button, and clicking it would hide() the window Dec 16 17:20:47 DocScrutinizer so how can i update my system? Dec 16 17:20:57 spiritd, you don't need to Dec 16 17:21:16 but if want to, go to App manager and click update Dec 16 17:21:48 The paranoid schizophrenics are out in force. Dec 16 17:22:04 MohammadAG: but is there a hide event signal emitted? Dec 16 17:22:08 * Arkenoi wonders what is updated in calendar-home-widget and fbreader almost daily, no visual changes :-) Dec 16 17:23:28 http://news.sky.com/skynews/Home/video/Ohio-USA-Lake-Erie-Lighthouse-Covered-In-Ice/Video/201012315856608 Dec 16 17:23:32 lardman, there are none, see this http://www.qtcentre.org/threads/21184-close-window-signal Dec 16 17:23:41 looks like someone's been trying to make a cake Dec 16 17:24:11 * NooBmonk3y wakes up to the word cake! Dec 16 17:24:12 evenin! Dec 16 17:24:22 hello NooBmonk3y :) Dec 16 17:24:25 hey Ven Dec 16 17:24:26 :) Dec 16 17:24:55 hi NooBmonk3y Dec 16 17:25:21 hey hey! Dec 16 17:25:32 MohammadAG: so presumably the QMainWindow::closeEvent(event); does the hiding? Dec 16 17:25:44 I think so :) Dec 16 17:25:51 I'll test, thanks Dec 16 17:26:06 * MohammadAG thinks he borked his microSD Dec 16 17:26:11 hey NooBmonk3y Dec 16 17:26:18 hey Mo :) Dec 16 17:26:22 everyone having a gd day? Dec 16 17:26:24 hideEvent() might also work Dec 16 17:26:57 with all respect, I wonder who's the idiot who made the magnet disable a damn microSD card Dec 16 17:27:19 MohammadAG, some idiot who earns a lot probably Dec 16 17:27:32 the assumption is that the cache can be written before you can rip the back off and unclip the card Dec 16 17:29:13 lardman, is that a challenge? Dec 16 17:29:39 GAN900, you can trick with a magnet anyways Dec 16 17:29:45 GAN900: a subconscious challenge from the N900 hw engineers ;) Dec 16 17:32:14 ok Dec 16 17:32:20 so either my microSD card is broken Dec 16 17:32:25 MohammadAG: actually magnet ENables the uSD Dec 16 17:32:26 or my microSD reader in the N900 Dec 16 17:32:38 DocScrutinizer51 I know Dec 16 17:32:54 is the microSD reader replaceable? Dec 16 17:33:25 and I'd think that's rather smart Dec 16 17:34:25 DocScrutinizer51, I'd think not, I already broke one battery cover Dec 16 17:34:34 MohammadAG what firmware you have? Dec 16 17:35:10 i found on my 2.2009.51-1 Dec 16 17:35:26 upgrade, though you don't have to Dec 16 17:35:34 Version of 'sw-release': RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_MR0 Dec 16 17:35:55 fact of the day: with the MeeGo initrd image, if the battery is low, neither the eMMC or the uSD are recognized Dec 16 17:37:51 hehe Dec 16 17:38:02 my PC motherboard shows up as having a 'Gigabyte' access point during wlan scan Dec 16 17:38:19 but linux doesn't have a driver it seems Dec 16 17:38:23 weourd Dec 16 17:40:00 how do I disable Ubuntu's stupid automount? Dec 16 17:40:46 haha Dec 16 17:40:54 MohammadAG this? RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Dec 16 17:41:00 you love h-e-n mount better? Dec 16 17:41:41 DocScrutinizer51, yes Dec 16 17:41:43 spiritd: simply update what Hildon AppManager offers you to update Dec 16 17:41:47 spiritd, also yes Dec 16 17:42:01 bbl Dec 16 17:42:46 DocScrutinizer ... i want install some "good" firmware... because i dont want backup all the stuff after i will the N900 with contacts Dec 16 17:42:56 *fill Dec 16 17:44:08 :shrug: Dec 16 17:44:42 :) Dec 16 17:44:50 well, flashing for sure is faster than SSU Dec 16 17:47:34 anyway you understand it's a linux system, and the only true 'firmware' is that for wlan chip, and maybe BT, and the modem Dec 16 17:48:00 DocScrutinizer ... yeah ... Dec 16 17:48:21 well but update whole firmware is better than apt-get upgrade right? Dec 16 17:48:42 updating firmware is more stable ... ? Dec 16 17:48:55 just guessing... using logic... no experience :) Dec 16 17:48:59 so there's no diff in result from flashing and from SSU, except SSU keeps your data untouched Dec 16 17:49:24 DocScrutinizer well my phone is new so... no data Dec 16 17:49:40 then reflash Dec 16 17:50:06 the go for flashing if you're in a hurry. Go for SSU via HAM to learn about that process Dec 16 17:50:40 "learn about proccess" how its different from upgrading debian from console? :)) Dec 16 17:50:47 pc Dec 16 17:50:55 yes Dec 16 17:51:36 console apt-get upgrade is deprecated Dec 16 17:52:12 DocScrutinizer and what use app manager for upgrade? ... i mean what command Dec 16 17:52:43 start app manager, click update Dec 16 17:53:37 ye ... but what that actually does Dec 16 17:53:56 it starts apt-worker, which does its job Dec 16 17:54:02 something with apt-worker Dec 16 17:54:03 where can I find a big picture of harmattan components? Dec 16 17:54:11 so apt-worker... hmm thy Dec 16 17:54:21 man apt-worker :) Dec 16 17:55:00 * MohammadAG waits for disappointment Dec 16 17:55:04 dont have apt-worker in PR1.1 Dec 16 17:55:15 haha Dec 16 17:55:16 raulfh: on wiki Dec 16 17:55:37 maybe there's just no manpage for it Dec 16 17:55:37 spiritd, it's in /usr/libexec Dec 16 17:55:41 just use app manager Dec 16 17:55:59 it doesn't only use apt-worker Dec 16 17:56:05 MohammadAG :/ ... cli <3 Dec 16 17:56:15 it changes UBIFS compression (javispedro found that one I think) Dec 16 17:56:23 then flash your device :P Dec 16 17:56:35 yy installing nokia updater Dec 16 17:56:36 spiritd: if you love the CLI, then either reflash, or do apt-get dist-upgrade Dec 16 17:56:53 spiritd: see Dec 16 17:56:54 Venemo, don't suggest the latter Dec 16 17:56:56 ~flashing Dec 16 17:56:56 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 16 17:56:57 sometimes it breaks stuff ;) Dec 16 17:57:29 Venemo ... already reading that Dec 16 17:58:10 DocScrutinizer51: only for fremantle, but not for harmattan Dec 16 17:58:29 in addition, there' s no architectural overview Dec 16 18:12:56 flashing Dec 16 18:13:33 btw teamspeak 3 client available? Dec 16 18:13:39 i found only x86 bnaries Dec 16 18:14:53 MohammadAG ping Dec 16 18:15:07 spiritd: I think someone ported mumble. I doubt you'll find teamspeak. Dec 16 18:15:13 pong Dec 16 18:16:34 MohammadAG at community chan > Dec 16 18:17:38 WTF@ the guy asking the HEN beta thread if the kernel support OSS... Dec 16 18:18:04 BCMM, links help add context Dec 16 18:18:18 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=65232&page=56 Dec 16 18:18:53 BCMM, I doubt he means Open Source Software Dec 16 18:18:57 lcuk: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=898180&postcount=559 , but it won't make it make much more sense Dec 16 18:19:15 MohammadAG: i realise he means the open sound system, that's the WTF Dec 16 18:20:52 can't tell if he thinks that's still the normal way to access a microphone, or if he's just trying to start an OSS/ALSA flamewar Dec 16 18:22:22 hello, writing on the ext3 partition of external mmc corrupt it, while writing on the vfat partition does not, according to e2fsck and fsck.vfat Dec 16 18:22:38 does it ring a bell to anyone ? Dec 16 18:23:07 writing on both partitions with another device does not corrupt file systems Dec 16 18:23:10 out of interest, what makes GTK and Qt apps look similar on maemo? Dec 16 18:25:19 BCMM: QGtkStyle Dec 16 18:25:40 BCMM: or, if you want more details, QMaemo5Style, which is derived from QGtkStyle Dec 16 18:25:43 Venemo: that's the thing where Qt uses the GTK style, right? Dec 16 18:25:48 right Dec 16 18:26:13 try -style cleanlooks :P Dec 16 18:26:37 it's mostly the same thing that happens when you use KDE or Qt apps on a Gnome desktop Dec 16 18:33:17 nobody is aware of any software problem with writing on ext3 fs on the external mmc ? Dec 16 18:34:12 I would like to be sure that my problem is not a hardware failure of the n900 mmc reader since I don't have this issue with other readers and the same card Dec 16 18:34:13 Venemo лву шы умшд Dec 16 18:34:17 kde is evil Dec 16 18:34:29 why Qt means for most people KDE Dec 16 18:34:33 ZogG: that's why I use Gnome Dec 16 18:35:09 Venemo, gnome is less evil now, but it was ugly for a long time (as KDE btw) until ubuntu popularity Dec 16 18:35:15 but gnome is evil too Dec 16 18:35:19 xfce4 FTW Dec 16 18:35:26 oh yeah oh yeah Dec 16 18:37:03 why is gnome evil? Dec 16 18:38:17 Venemo i didn't like the politics, of depending everything on everything Dec 16 18:38:27 you want gtk app you get half gnome Dec 16 18:38:53 it';s like KDE is Qt, you want somwething Qt, you get half KDE that needs other half Dec 16 18:39:42 y Dec 16 18:40:05 ZogG: funny, there are no kde chunks on my N900... Dec 16 18:40:48 wmarone not talking about maemo Dec 16 18:40:56 we talking about desktop Dec 16 18:42:13 well, if you want a KDE or Gnome app, you get KDE and Gnome. nothing to do with the toolkit. Dec 16 18:42:19 hehe Dec 16 18:42:42 anyway, I prefer the Gnome desktop. it's the simplest to use Dec 16 18:42:53 wmarone that's my point Dec 16 18:42:55 but I use some KDE apps too, for example Konversation is a great IRC client Dec 16 18:43:01 i hate both them for this Dec 16 18:43:16 but now gnome is going less dependies Dec 16 18:43:32 Venemo xchat is more than enuf for me Dec 16 18:43:54 there is only one app i couldn't change Dec 16 18:44:00 what's that? Dec 16 18:44:07 KDE's cd writer Dec 16 18:44:12 k3b Dec 16 18:44:28 but heard after kde4 it's shitty too =) Dec 16 18:44:44 hehe Dec 16 18:44:57 nah KDE is nice. it has all the effects and stuff Dec 16 18:45:09 but it's hard to find settings&stuff in it Dec 16 18:45:17 gnome is dead easy to use Dec 16 18:45:24 useless effects for most cases and it's ugly Dec 16 18:45:42 it's like mac os style but in windows me way =) Dec 16 18:45:47 it's too much and too cheap Dec 16 18:45:49 don't liek it Dec 16 18:46:14 all this round coners things and shinny stuff =) Dec 16 18:46:26 KDE is too resource hungry Dec 16 18:54:44 ZogG: rounded corners and shiny stuff are configurable... Dec 16 18:56:10 ZogG: and i don't consider requiring mono, of all things, to be reducing dependencies Dec 16 18:58:16 BCMM: what do you have against Mono? Dec 16 19:05:57 I guess N900 photos app doesn't support GIF images! wtf. Dec 16 19:06:33 is N900 for real? Dec 16 19:06:37 hehe Dec 16 19:08:35 it can show gifs, but cannot into preview Dec 16 19:09:21 mine doesnt! it shows me a broken Icon! Dec 16 19:09:27 lame Dec 16 19:10:04 even the worst nokia phone can show GIF properly Dec 16 19:10:15 why N900 no? so bad! Dec 16 19:10:44 is there a merical to fix this lame problem? Dec 16 19:16:32 what is moe annoying than seeing your hardware for your internet is at the post which you should pick up tomorrow? Dec 16 19:17:16 no GIF support. do you call that internet hardware? Dec 16 19:17:18 going there and feeling lucky they already hand it out today but then having a non-functional line! Dec 16 19:17:35 i am like having the keys to a porsche 911! Dec 16 19:17:49 N900 missing so much. Dec 16 19:17:51 no, i even have the porsche Dec 16 19:18:01 but there are no streets to drive it! Dec 16 19:18:23 put wings and fly Dec 16 19:20:39 i don't drink red bull Dec 16 19:20:57 dont drink it pour it in ur car Dec 16 19:22:37 in which directory the desktop shortcuts are stored? Dec 16 19:23:06 /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Dec 16 19:24:04 MohammadAG: i mean the ones i have added to my homescreen Dec 16 19:25:20 they're in gconf afaik, not a directory Dec 16 19:46:48 i cant see search button in pr1.3 app manager Dec 16 19:46:57 is it somewhere else? or bug? Dec 16 19:47:07 spiritd, enter a category and type Dec 16 19:47:20 search as you keypress Dec 16 19:47:40 i set All Dec 16 19:48:08 then taskbar... Refresh, Log, App cat, Restore app Dec 16 19:49:39 :/ Dec 16 19:49:40 wtf Dec 16 19:51:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53768 Dec 16 20:02:12 what are you using for browsing / structure? Dec 16 20:02:26 ok, i just got the n900 (bit late to the party i know), and it seems awesome except for one thing: how do you rotate the screen? it seems stuck in landscape? Dec 16 20:02:29 is there some nautilus or whatever Dec 16 20:02:57 bakarat... i am new too... and i heard its landscape only Dec 16 20:03:29 bakarat - most of the system is landscape only Dec 16 20:03:47 just use "site:talk.maemo.org keyword" in google Dec 16 20:03:48 certain applications work in portrait, the phone and browser being examples Dec 16 20:03:58 ok silly question, where is the phone one? :P Dec 16 20:04:13 its the application in your applications list named "phone" Dec 16 20:04:17 nid0 what are you using for browsing files Dec 16 20:04:32 is there any option to hide the bottom bar of an osso-xterm? Dec 16 20:04:32 for a single one, not in general Dec 16 20:05:47 johndo: no, but you can hide the top bar with the fullscreen button Dec 16 20:06:23 Venemo: yes, but i rather would like to hide the bottom bar Dec 16 20:06:54 i seem to recall the n800 had the ability to "intelligently" switch on and off wifi/gps, i'm guessing that's still the case? Dec 16 20:06:59 or if i "enable" gps, is it like always on? Dec 16 20:07:03 (thinking of battery) Dec 16 20:07:14 bakarat: nope, it is only powered if there's something that needs it Dec 16 20:07:20 ah sweet Dec 16 20:07:46 bakarat: there's a status bar icon (depicting a satellite antenna) shown when the GPS module is active Dec 16 20:08:41 Venemo, ah thanks Dec 16 20:08:50 i started the browser btw, how do you swtich to portrait? Dec 16 20:09:03 bakarat: there's also an autodisconnect package which monitors wifi and gsm connections Dec 16 20:09:36 bakarat: it automatically switches when you turn the device Dec 16 20:09:37 bakarat: menu/options/settings/"enable rotation" Dec 16 20:09:53 or your version is too old Dec 16 20:10:02 Venemo, ah ok hehe Dec 16 20:10:23 johndo, well, fresh from the store Dec 16 20:10:30 so probably slightly outdated :P Dec 16 20:10:52 bakarat: maybe reflash with the latest software Dec 16 20:10:57 see Dec 16 20:10:59 ~flashing Dec 16 20:10:59 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 16 20:11:57 guys what are you using for file browsing? Dec 16 20:12:08 i d like some 2 panel browser Dec 16 20:13:29 Venemo, i'll leave that for the weekend, need to get it set up quickly atm :P Dec 16 20:13:53 bakarat: it only takes a few minutes Dec 16 20:15:21 for reasons i can not fathom, i can not find the "menu/options/settings/enable rotation" thingy anywhere Dec 16 20:17:01 bakarat: you also can update it with the program manager Dec 16 20:17:02 bakarat: it's added in the latest software Dec 16 20:17:17 bakarat: see your current version in Settings Dec 16 20:17:37 bakarat: settings/about product Dec 16 20:18:31 Venemo, 2.2009.51-1 Dec 16 20:18:34 you need to be registered on maemo.org even to file bug reports only, don't you? Dec 16 20:18:47 bakarat: "slightly" outdated :) Dec 16 20:19:01 johndo, :D Dec 16 20:19:05 i updated via Nokia Updater Dec 16 20:19:08 fast and easy Dec 16 20:19:10 bakarat: that's too old. Dec 16 20:19:19 afaik this version does not have portrait mode for browser Dec 16 20:19:26 bakarat: on that, the browser doesn't support portait Dec 16 20:19:38 ah k Dec 16 20:19:52 Venemo, johndo can i update with the program manager in this version or is it reflash-only? :P Dec 16 20:20:13 i have upgraded mine with the programm manager Dec 16 20:20:45 but in two steps as there were 2 updates over time Dec 16 20:20:45 bakarat: you can update with the app manager Dec 16 20:21:09 Venemo, sweet Dec 16 20:21:43 is it more like the debian update: it just works(TM) or more like ubuntu: TIAS? Dec 16 20:22:22 bakarat: more like debian for me (at least so far) Dec 16 20:22:52 maybe backup you configs nevertheless, just in case ;) Dec 16 20:23:21 johndo, as easy as cp /etc ... ? :P Dec 16 20:24:16 but either way, nothing is really configured yet and i read that there is always a "reset to factory settings" thingy Dec 16 20:24:18 bakarat:there's an backup application Dec 16 20:24:23 o nice Dec 16 20:25:12 btw, i have read conflicting information: some claim that an upgrade path to meego will be provided, others deny it Dec 16 20:25:25 any idea which one is true? :P Dec 16 20:26:00 there will be no officially-provided upgrade by nokia Dec 16 20:26:08 o Dec 16 20:26:08 unless they have a *massive* change of heart Dec 16 20:26:15 but the community is working on a release Dec 16 20:26:16 what exactly is the future of maemo after meego? Dec 16 20:26:29 basically, nothing Dec 16 20:26:30 i mean, does it keep evolving away from meego? Dec 16 20:26:33 no Dec 16 20:26:34 ah k Dec 16 20:26:41 maemo's eol, meego's the replacement Dec 16 20:26:41 how long did you use Windows XP bakarat Dec 16 20:26:44 how many years Dec 16 20:27:04 pupnik, at work, still using it (shiver), at home not so long :P Dec 16 20:27:04 did a year go by and suddenly you felt you needed a new operating system for your desktop? Dec 16 20:27:19 made the switch to linux many years ago Dec 16 20:27:31 pupnik, no, that's entirely accurate :p Dec 16 20:27:38 ok.. well then you understand how maemo5 "just works" now Dec 16 20:27:39 lol Dec 16 20:27:44 my n810 was also basically install some much needed apps when i bought it and just leave it alone after that Dec 16 20:27:47 :D Dec 16 20:28:00 until the damn touch screen died on me Dec 16 20:28:12 *snif* Dec 16 20:28:15 maemo5 will be a great OS for as long as you care to use the n900 Dec 16 20:28:29 pupnik: the question is how long we will get security updates for maemo proprietary stuff Dec 16 20:28:52 johndo, we *never* got any Dec 16 20:28:55 security updates aren't an issue. and nokia's proprietary stuff never gets developed much anyway Dec 16 20:29:00 we have buggy flash and no one cares Dec 16 20:29:18 though it has remote code execution vulnerability Dec 16 20:29:24 there you go Arkenoi Dec 16 20:29:35 o.O Dec 16 20:29:39 welcome to "Flash is a Trojan" Dec 16 20:29:42 i'm gonna go downstairs, wifi is horrible here Dec 16 20:29:48 thanks for all the feedback :) Dec 16 20:29:55 send her to me and she will appreciate you Dec 16 20:30:02 cheers bakarat Dec 16 20:30:30 * pupnik sings ~I'll be harder than your husband.... to get along with~ Dec 16 20:32:15 Judge Duncan Ouseley to release Assange tonight/nowish Dec 16 20:32:31 3 hours ago-ish Dec 16 20:32:45 walked out of court at 6 Dec 16 20:33:06 Dec 16 20:34:14 http://b3ta.com/board/10280035 - made me lol for no good reason. (thread of images about Mr Assange) Dec 16 20:34:25 `oh Dec 16 20:39:21 what's the camera-ui process for? only to start camera app when i open the lense cover? Dec 16 20:40:15 looks like that's eating my battery Dec 16 20:41:04 dsmetool -k /usr/bin/camera-ui Dec 16 20:41:11 you need the start the camera manually Dec 16 20:41:40 so that's a known problem? Dec 16 20:44:21 MohammadAG: hi, do you know if someone compiled kernel modules for dvb-usb compatible with the power kernel? Dec 16 20:44:56 MohammadAG: does -k also deactivate the process completely (after reboot) or does it only kill it? Dec 16 20:45:15 BluesLee, nope :/ Dec 16 20:45:22 johndo, install togglecamera if you want Dec 16 20:45:27 actually, don't Dec 16 20:45:30 it'll move camera-ui Dec 16 20:46:09 johndo, have a look at /etc/X11/Xsession.post/17camera-ui Dec 16 20:47:39 * johndo just wonders why the heck camera-ui wakes up that often now in pr1.3 Dec 16 20:47:48 bug Dec 16 20:48:01 shouldn't Dec 16 20:48:15 how do you tell it does? Dec 16 20:48:28 DocScrutinizer: and i guess it's a nokia proprietary program which never gets fixed ^^ Dec 16 20:48:34 by powertop Dec 16 20:49:05 indeed shouldn't Dec 16 20:49:07 mine's quiet Dec 16 20:49:22 so you're sure it's the same process ID, not camera-ui respawning die to immediate segfault or sth? Dec 16 20:49:52 s/die/due Dec 16 20:51:02 BluesLee: does your old dvd-stick have working OSS drivers? Dec 16 20:51:50 waitwaitwait. johndo do you by any chance have installed flashlight-extra? Dec 16 20:52:03 DocScrutinizer: good question .. let me watch pid for a while Dec 16 20:52:48 flashlight-extra was *EVIL* on my system, it borked almost everything, and eaten my CPU Dec 16 20:53:05 incl camera-ui Dec 16 20:53:13 DocScrutinizer: no, but i have something for using flash leds as a torch Dec 16 20:53:29 that's flashlight Dec 16 20:54:09 DocScrutinizer: it's flashlight-applet Dec 16 20:54:10 then there's flashlight-extra that errr, avoids camera-ui coming up when you open lens slider, or sth Dec 16 20:54:46 had to nuke that one Dec 16 20:55:20 dsmetool -t to (re)start a service? Dec 16 20:56:16 * johndo would be happy when flashlight is the problem Dec 16 20:56:25 this battery draining starts to annoy me Dec 16 20:57:01 2 days of light usage and the battery is down Dec 16 20:57:09 which lasts a week before the upgrade Dec 16 20:57:18 umm Dec 16 20:57:20 DocScrutinizer: good question, afaik it uses dvb-usb-wt220u-02.fw Dec 16 20:58:03 flashlight-applet is fine Dec 16 20:58:25 find out if it works at all on your desktop PC, find out which drivers it needs, get the source and feed it to SB Dec 16 20:58:27 I edited it to show when the cover is closed, that way I can start the flash, open the lens, and camera-ui would fail to start so I'd be happy Dec 16 20:58:49 cool Dec 16 20:59:40 DocScrutinizer: it works on my desktop like a charm with mplayer Dec 16 21:01:24 eeek, when i start camera-ui with dsmetool -t is runs twice :( Dec 16 21:01:32 *it Dec 16 21:01:32 DocScrutinizer: dvb_usb_dtt200u, dvb_usb, dvb_core and i2c_core seem to be used ... i will have a look into scratchbox Dec 16 21:02:00 is '-t' the wron option? Dec 16 21:02:04 this is what i need i guess :http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Kernel_and_Debugging_Guide/Maemo_Kernel_Guide#Compiling_External_Kernel_Modules Dec 16 21:04:20 johndo: you shouldn't mess arounf with dsmetool at all Dec 16 21:04:49 DocScrutinizer: someone told me to do :P Dec 16 21:04:55 Any played with clutter yet? Dec 16 21:04:59 any one* Dec 16 21:05:05 dsmetool is just for restarting processes in case they get killed or segfault or terminate by any other reason Dec 16 21:05:33 DocScrutinizer: at least my device even reaches C4 now Dec 16 21:05:39 johndo: you're sure? I've only seen MohammadAG tell you how to STOP it Dec 16 21:05:39 still only 3.4% in C4 Dec 16 21:05:57 right :) Dec 16 21:06:25 DocScrutinizer: but i wanted to watch the pid of camera-ui, so i had to restart it Dec 16 21:06:46 so what's the "right" way to restart it? boot?? Dec 16 21:07:05 the easiest and safest way, yes Dec 16 21:07:37 or execute that /etc/X11/Xsession.post/17camera-ui script Dec 16 21:07:38 gah, must have missed the "winxxx" part in my system version ;) Dec 16 21:08:02 DocScrutinizer: ok, i try the latter Dec 16 21:09:15 what is IRQ 2103? Dec 16 21:09:22 wakes up 70 times per second Dec 16 21:10:11 nfc Dec 16 21:11:16 Unfortunately, you don't care about wakeups or interrupts. Dec 16 21:11:29 There is no nice breakdown of what you do care about Dec 16 21:12:17 SpeedEvil: that's rather cryptic a statement Dec 16 21:12:26 Sorry - got distracted Dec 16 21:12:34 SpeedEvil: i would like to not care about all that stuff, but since i upgraded to 1.3 my battery dies way too fast and i really would like to find the reason ;) Dec 16 21:12:34 389 interrupts a second. Dec 16 21:12:47 If these are 1/389th of a second - then that's bad. Dec 16 21:13:02 If they are all one after each other 10us apart - you don't care Dec 16 21:13:18 As they have the same impact as one interrupt from a powerupse POV Dec 16 21:13:29 yep Dec 16 21:14:00 Same with wakeups Dec 16 21:14:01 btw poweupse is a nice new word Dec 16 21:14:04 :-D Dec 16 21:14:17 A wakeup from C4 is enormously more costly than one from C2 Dec 16 21:14:23 so i have it, the iphone 4 Dec 16 21:14:31 oh yes. Dec 16 21:15:01 yes Dec 16 21:15:15 yes Dec 16 21:15:46 SpeedEvil: we'd need a powerdebug kernel Dec 16 21:15:55 DocScrutinizer: that script to restart camera-ui, call it as root? or user? Dec 16 21:16:03 root Dec 16 21:16:12 aiui Dec 16 21:16:25 normally it's caled by X Dec 16 21:16:31 X is root Dec 16 21:16:39 again aiui Dec 16 21:16:46 Most stuff is started as user under X though Dec 16 21:16:57 hmm Dec 16 21:17:03 hmm :) Dec 16 21:17:16 * SpeedEvil needs to reflash his device. Dec 16 21:17:29 Camera is not working, and I'm unsure if it's a hardware issue or not Dec 16 21:17:58 errr, isn't that kinda related topic? Dec 16 21:18:03 SpeedEvil: do you have the driver for bleen900 installed? Dec 16 21:18:13 *blessn900 Dec 16 21:18:13 johndo: no Dec 16 21:18:31 ok, that screwed up the camera for me after upgrade to 1.3 Dec 16 21:18:31 I think it was broken before I installed fcam Dec 16 21:18:37 I'm on 1.2 Dec 16 21:19:28 I'm on 1.2 too, and that camera gave me black screen today, in both mbarcode and camera-ui Dec 16 21:19:38 Odd Dec 16 21:19:52 Camera gives internal error when i try to start it Dec 16 21:19:53 hmm, maybe i should have stayed with 1.2 too :( Dec 16 21:20:08 no benefits so far, but a lot of trouble with 1.3 Dec 16 21:20:13 on second try camera-ui did work Dec 16 21:21:20 johndo: alas Nokia managed to make it impossible for the normal user to stay on 1.2. You can't install any -devel or -testing app anymore Dec 16 21:22:01 well, a lot off then at least don't work under 1.2 anymore. So even your backups are worthless Dec 16 21:22:07 DocScrutinizer: because of Qt4.7 i guess? Dec 16 21:22:12 yep Dec 16 21:22:29 and because of missing repo split Dec 16 21:22:43 for those devel and testing repos Dec 16 21:23:10 hmm - it was just after I uninstalled that flashlight-camera-ui thing Dec 16 21:23:14 On reflection Dec 16 21:24:03 well, they don't seem to understand the debian repository structure properly anyway :( Dec 16 21:24:10 if at least they had promoted all pkgs in testing/devel to maemo-1.2 proper then, same time they rolled out 1.3 Dec 16 21:24:20 some repos don't even have proper tags so that you could set preferences Dec 16 21:24:33 no wonder they switched to rpm with meego :( Dec 16 21:29:14 Phew - looking like a software problem. Dec 16 21:29:30 Now I've reinstalled stock kernel, I don't have audio again, but camera works. Dec 16 21:29:47 If I install power kernel, audio works, but camera dies. :) Dec 16 21:30:56 DocScrutinizer: no need to restart camera-ui manually, after i use camara app camera-ui is back again ... running twice!? Dec 16 21:30:57 LOL Dec 16 21:31:32 I seem to recall that's normal a lot of those processes run twice Dec 16 21:31:37 SpeedEvil, fcamera? Dec 16 21:31:50 MohammadAG: uninstalled it now Dec 16 21:32:01 MohammadAG: That doesn't explain why sound is dead Dec 16 21:32:26 SpeedEvil, it should work Dec 16 21:32:34 but you need the latest version, get it using Dec 16 21:32:35 apt Dec 16 21:32:42 SpeedEvil, decoders-support? Dec 16 21:32:56 seems sound is flawed or dead on my pk + h-e-n as well Dec 16 21:33:33 * MohammadAG blames libflac8 Dec 16 21:33:33 though I've not really tested Dec 16 21:33:50 so h-e-n is still experimental? Dec 16 21:33:50 MohammadAG: MohammadAG i've not been screwing with decoders support Dec 16 21:34:04 johndo: sure it's experimental Dec 16 21:34:08 it's a beta Dec 16 21:34:15 or was it alha? Dec 16 21:34:22 alpha even Dec 16 21:34:52 Pulseaudio isn't started even Dec 16 21:35:02 \o/ Dec 16 21:35:10 and i already bought an usb adapter for it xd Dec 16 21:35:31 SpeedEvil, libflac8, for suer Dec 16 21:35:34 sure* Dec 16 21:35:56 how would that have died? Dec 16 21:36:23 pulseaudio attempts to load a module from /opt before it's mounted Dec 16 21:36:39 oh THAT idiocy Dec 16 21:37:01 MOVE that TO / THEN! Dec 16 21:37:19 yeah - I haven't done anytjong wird with decoder packages I don't think though Dec 16 21:37:34 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=874014&postcount=35 Dec 16 21:37:43 cp /opt/maemo/usr/lib/libFLAC.so.8.2.0 /usr/lib/libFLAC.so.8.2.0 Dec 16 21:38:33 Hi Dec 16 21:38:51 will those pains in the neck ever learn about what may go to /usr, and what needs to stay on root-fs? Dec 16 21:39:00 Odd - I wonder what moved it Dec 16 21:39:03 it was working Dec 16 21:39:11 And why it works with kernel-power Dec 16 21:39:40 THIS HAS TO BE IN /lib, B Dec 16 21:39:47 /usr/ is on rootfs :P Dec 16 21:39:48 NOT /usr/lib!!! Dec 16 21:40:04 FSCK it isn't -PER DEFINITION Dec 16 21:40:17 it is - on maemo Dec 16 21:41:37 MohammadAG: I'll come over kick your ass if you don't stop telling shit Dec 16 21:41:42 READ THAT! Dec 16 21:41:46 ~optification Dec 16 21:41:47 it has been said that optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3 Dec 16 21:41:48 :D Dec 16 21:42:15 DocScrutinizer, /usr is on rootfs on maemo :P Dec 16 21:42:23 that's a fact, not shit :P Dec 16 21:43:07 o_O Dec 16 21:43:26 ???O_o Dec 16 21:43:32 let's hope he didn't have a heart attack. Dec 16 21:43:46 he's probably coming over Dec 16 21:43:54 XD Dec 16 21:44:07 :D Dec 16 21:44:11 MohammadAG: lock your doors and windows xD Dec 16 21:44:18 http://pastebin.com/efU7xu8t <-- at least this says /usr is on rootfs Dec 16 21:44:19 email us when he's knocking on your door Dec 16 21:44:33 * johndo is waiting for MohammadAG to disappear too :P Dec 16 21:44:43 nah Dec 16 21:44:48 maemo-911 mailing list? Dec 16 21:44:58 johndo: nah. Dec 16 21:45:00 it's a long way from Germany to Israel Dec 16 21:45:22 he's DocScrutinizer Dec 16 21:45:37 yeah. he'll scrutinize the docs Dec 16 21:45:37 he can open a wormhole xD Dec 16 21:45:39 :D Dec 16 21:45:44 nope - not that Dec 16 21:45:46 odd Dec 16 21:45:48 hm Dec 16 21:46:05 don't think you can speak freely! DocScrutinizer51 is still here Dec 16 21:46:31 I know, and -8 Dec 16 21:46:37 plus the channel is logged Dec 16 21:47:02 he'll be back - I hope Dec 16 21:47:08 SpeedEvil, did you reboot? Dec 16 21:47:18 yes Dec 16 21:47:40 Nokia-N900-02-8:/usr/lib# ls -l *FLAC* Dec 16 21:47:40 lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 16 May 31 2010 libFLAC.so.8 -> libFLAC.so.8.2.0 Dec 16 21:47:40 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 303348 Jan 9 2010 libFLAC.so.8.2.0 Dec 16 21:48:36 Venemo: vote for my package :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ Dec 16 21:48:59 well, test then vote, or read the tmo thread then vote, or just vote. Dec 16 22:02:59 woooop! random question.... Dec 16 22:04:16 is it possible to record the screen, like ctrl+shift+p but video? Dec 16 22:05:37 yes, but it'll be far from fast Dec 16 22:05:44 pooooo Dec 16 22:05:51 i want fast! lol Dec 16 22:06:09 want to upload my example of angry birds not working lol Dec 16 22:06:11 SDK + some magic Dec 16 22:06:16 meh meh Dec 16 22:06:21 start it from terminal Dec 16 22:06:21 pc is turned off Dec 16 22:06:42 laying on the sofa being lazy.... Dec 16 22:06:47 Noobmonk3y: the load appled has a "record screencast" option Dec 16 22:07:02 but thought that never worked Venemo ? Dec 16 22:07:07 I dunno Dec 16 22:07:10 /opt/ang(tab)/an(tab) Dec 16 22:07:14 how hard is that Dec 16 22:07:21 Noobmonk3y, works, but not the fastest option Dec 16 22:08:01 Noobmonk3y: according to you, Qt Mobility's accelerometer didn't work... when in fact it does Dec 16 22:08:35 WOW Dec 16 22:08:51 angry birds lays out in portrait mode nicely! Dec 16 22:09:38 hmmm now to replay that screencast, and see how slow! Dec 16 22:10:12 sorry i got disconnected...i was asking if it is better to stay in PR1.2 if you are a power user, basing my question on the discussion between johndo and DocScrutinizer about 50mins ago Dec 16 22:10:42 Sicelo: I didn't regred updating to 1.3 Dec 16 22:10:46 regret* Dec 16 22:11:33 PR1.3 fixed the unresponsiveness problems I was having, I'll never go back :) Dec 16 22:11:39 meh it didnt work, recorded about 10 secs worth of a 1 minute attempt Dec 16 22:11:57 is that "advanced power" widget supposed to remove the battery symbol from the status bar? Dec 16 22:12:02 thank you Venemo. I guess it's more personal preferences then :) Dec 16 22:12:19 Noobmonk3y, did you find any golden eggs? Dec 16 22:12:28 johndo, it replaces it Dec 16 22:12:36 but due to the nature of hildon-status-menu Dec 16 22:12:45 killall hildon-status-menu will bring it back Dec 16 22:12:58 mo, my prob is an odd one, i had the extra packs, uninstalled, installed new version, and it doesnt load anything correctly Dec 16 22:13:05 MohammadAG: hehe Dec 16 22:13:08 assuming level pack issue Dec 16 22:13:20 saw that battery info on your screenshot and thought i need that :) Dec 16 22:14:56 Venemo: vote for my package :) http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/xbox360-media-remote/1.0-1maemo2/ Dec 16 22:15:07 MohammadAG: worked, thanks Dec 16 22:15:12 ahyway, g'night Dec 16 22:16:06 quick question: how do i switch keyboard layout? Dec 16 22:16:19 johndo, I uninstalled it btw ;) Dec 16 22:16:20 MohammadAG: what are the 2 numbers for time left in that widget? hours idle and "used" (whatever usage that means)? Dec 16 22:16:28 Noobmonk3y, no idea lol Dec 16 22:16:30 start it from terminal Dec 16 22:16:43 MohammadAG: because of what reason? more power consumtion? Dec 16 22:17:01 Python, more memory consumption Dec 16 22:17:38 MohammadAG: only used about 600k for me, maybe i already had the python dependencies Dec 16 22:18:02 oops, nvm :) Dec 16 22:18:37 johndo, memory as in RAM ;) Dec 16 22:18:48 ya ya :) Dec 16 22:19:02 i should read more carefully, that's why my oops Dec 16 22:19:05 MohammadAG, fixed, u have yo upgrade all levl packs, thankfully only have the 1 Dec 16 22:19:26 and no, not figured out any of the secret stuff Dec 16 22:22:47 * Noobmonk3y wants something fun to do on the n900 hmmmmm Dec 16 22:24:00 Noobmonk3y, #meego-bar Dec 16 22:24:05 ? Dec 16 22:24:14 join it Dec 16 22:24:18 ok Dec 16 22:24:46 c closed Dec 16 22:24:51 irc* Dec 16 22:24:56 lol Dec 16 22:25:04 try again lol Dec 16 22:27:29 hey again Dec 16 22:29:39 Venemo! Vote for my freakin'! package!??&)/€+#- Dec 16 22:30:02 alterego: send me your freakin' link Dec 16 22:30:16 alterego, go to your freakin' bed Dec 16 22:30:20 :D Dec 16 22:30:40 Venemo: I've told you it twice already! Dec 16 22:30:53 literally 10 lines up :P Dec 16 22:31:06 alterego: oh, okay Dec 16 22:31:16 alterego: sorry, I was away and just got back Dec 16 22:31:29 alterego: voted Dec 16 22:31:51 spank you :) now I can schleep :D Dec 16 22:32:05 :D Dec 16 22:32:05 if i put music (mp3 is supported by default right?) on the n900, should it automatically be picked up by the media player? (it's not atm) Dec 16 22:32:15 alterego: but promise me to vote on my app too :P Dec 16 22:32:38 unfortunally yes .. the trackerd runs every sometime and collects all music Dec 16 22:32:46 Sure, g'night folks Dec 16 22:32:55 cehteh, any idea at what interval? Dec 16 22:33:00 still waiting for the first song to pop up in the list Dec 16 22:33:02 alterego: good night :) Dec 16 22:33:24 today i had shuffle play through all "never played files" ... and it played back telephone calles i recorded with recaller .. duh :P Dec 16 22:34:01 bakarat: you have it still connected to usb? Dec 16 22:34:11 (storage mode) Dec 16 22:34:13 cehteh, well, disconnected once to see if that was it, now connected again Dec 16 22:34:14 nothing Dec 16 22:34:30 needs to be disconnected, else the paritions wont be mounted Dec 16 22:34:38 cehteh, ah ok Dec 16 22:35:01 i'm guessing if you use the storage mode that it shared /home/? Dec 16 22:35:05 shares* Dec 16 22:35:50 /home/user/MyDocs .. for the internal emmc flash and /media/mmc1 for the microsd card Dec 16 22:36:32 cehteh, and how do i differentiate between the two? all i see is a dcim map and a mac os map or something :P Dec 16 22:36:53 dunno i disabled this usb storage mode Dec 16 22:37:07 iirc it exports 2 drives over usb Dec 16 22:37:25 /dev/mmcblk0p1 and /dev/mmcblk1* Dec 16 22:37:43 DCIM map and Mac OS are on the eMMC afaik Dec 16 22:38:05 bakarat: yes, you should see 2 drives on your pc Dec 16 22:39:19 johndo, ah possible, only one auto-mounted though hehe :P Dec 16 22:39:56 so anyone on changing keyboard layout? hardware is azerty but layout is qwerty, that's doable on a big keyboard but with the little one its a nightmare Dec 16 22:40:13 DocScrutinizer has changed his keyboard. Dec 16 22:41:17 changing the keyboard layut is trivial .. search t.m.o Dec 16 22:41:28 i thought settings/text input Dec 16 22:41:36 there are some well understandable config files for that Dec 16 22:41:37 but no combination has actually allowed me to set azerty :p Dec 16 22:42:22 eh just use another existing map or define new key combos? .. the first is even simpler :P Dec 16 22:42:58 cehteh, currently i'm trying to change it via the UI as typing is a pain in the ass with this keyboard :p Dec 16 22:43:19 but randomly selecting different settings that would seem obvious are not working Dec 16 22:53:31 bakarat: sorry I'm late in the discussion, what's the problem? Dec 16 22:54:03 Venemo, just trying to set the keyboard to azerty, but no logical combination of settings seems to do that Dec 16 22:54:52 perhaps because my interface language is english (uk)? Dec 16 22:55:20 bakarat: http://wiki.maemo.org/Remapping_keyboard Dec 16 22:55:51 heh, damn, was hoping to avoid typing Dec 16 22:56:51 bakarat: you can do it over SSH from a PC Dec 16 22:56:57 ya true Dec 16 22:56:58 haha, I want something on my N900 to answer like the telecrapper 2000: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=87s5mCBTEUQ Dec 16 22:57:10 well, that's worries fer tomorrow Dec 16 22:57:22 thanks again! :) Dec 16 22:58:27 bakarat: with that method I successfully remapped the keyboard's Fn combos to allow me to type all Hungarian accented letters Dec 16 23:07:15 bye guys, thanks for your help Dec 16 23:20:48 what is the user/ section name for games? Dec 16 23:21:08 user/slacker Dec 16 23:26:41 crashanddie_: really? Dec 16 23:27:31 Venemo: you've been around for sufficiently long to know that you should never trust anything I say unless I go into a 3+ line rant Dec 16 23:28:56 crashanddie_: yeah. Dec 16 23:28:58 crashanddie_: :) Dec 16 23:29:08 crashanddie_: is it user/games? Dec 16 23:37:20 the fucking wars were a buzzkill for me. i'd have been a happier person without them. Dec 16 23:49:00 Hi ! Dec 16 23:49:35 Can someone tell me how to add a font in the font menu of the terminal ? Dec 17 00:01:19 I got the next phone isn't debian based =[ Dec 17 00:01:29 I hate messing with debian Dec 17 00:05:44 emm, Dec 17 00:05:48 debian based phone? Dec 17 00:06:17 yeah the apt-get etc (debian/ubuntu/w/e) Dec 17 00:06:29 you don't like apt? Dec 17 00:06:35 hell no Dec 17 00:06:48 well, because something is using apt that doesn't mean it's debian based Dec 17 00:07:00 that's why i don't use the desktop ubuntu/debian based distros Dec 17 00:28:18 hey guys, do you know who's the author of the original n900 ringtones? Just I'm very impressed with this music. Dec 17 00:36:31 hi Dec 17 00:36:46 is it possible to flip the screen of my n900 both vertically/horizontally? Dec 17 00:40:02 http://i.imgur.com/sqXWT.png Dec 17 01:10:48 http://i.imgur.com/qQWHY.jpg Dec 17 01:12:32 http://i.imgur.com/eTfsq.png Dec 17 01:38:15 Oh dee, I didn't realise that usb hostmode was in the powah kernel. Dec 17 02:12:37 i find it really shitty that Obama thinks he can kill people like me Dec 17 02:14:07 if Obama says that, then i have to defend myself Dec 17 02:14:57 says what Dec 17 02:23:22 when I start a mv job over ssh can I ctrl Z it and then bring it up again in a terminal on the local device (n900)? Dec 17 02:28:02 use screen for that Dec 17 02:44:01 obama has called for killing of american citizens without trial Dec 17 02:48:52 pupnik, woo! Dec 17 02:49:03 sounds fun Dec 17 02:49:23 pupnik, uhm, don't crosspost off-topic stuff Dec 17 02:50:19 "In late January, I wrote about the Obama administration's "presidential assassination program," whereby American citizens are targeted for killings far away from any battlefield, based exclusively on unchecked accusations by the Executive Branch that they're involved in Terrorism. " http://www.salon.com/news/opinion/glenn_greenwald/2010/04/07/assassinations Dec 17 02:50:31 pupnik, stop that Dec 17 02:52:06 * SpeedEvil calls for the killing of pupnik. Dec 17 02:52:34 you can get my address Dec 17 02:52:44 i'll give you a beer and we can chat Dec 17 02:53:10 genocidal fucks do not have a place in a free software culture Dec 17 02:53:52 Sure they do. Dec 17 02:53:57 and over 1 million iraqis were killed while we were playing with software Dec 17 02:54:06 Some have come damn near to calling for a fatwa against microsoft. Dec 17 02:54:13 sieg heil SpeedEvil Dec 17 02:54:58 you pick your side Dec 17 02:55:30 I try to avoid picking sides. Dec 17 02:55:36 I hate everyone equally. Dec 17 02:55:56 don't aggress and we'll be fine Dec 17 02:56:56 good morning Dec 17 02:57:00 Motning Dec 17 02:57:05 the USA which has genocided over a million people Dec 17 02:57:15 recently Dec 17 02:57:24 That's disgusting. Dec 17 02:57:33 You can't use the word genocided like that. Dec 17 02:57:42 facts are facts Dec 17 02:58:10 I am in a reboot loop againg Dec 17 02:58:14 And grammar is grammar. Dec 17 02:58:24 SpeedEvil, Looks like I came just in time to join the tin foil hat party Dec 17 02:58:25 What did you do? Dec 17 02:58:28 Apparently not Dec 17 02:58:30 and the dead are dead Dec 17 02:58:44 My battery is a bit bad Dec 17 02:59:31 lolcat: I would recommend taking the battery out, and then putting it back in, then charging from the wall charger Dec 17 02:59:45 That's fixed it when stuff has gone wierd for me **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Dec 17 02:59:59 2010