**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Dec 22 02:59:57 2010 Dec 22 03:05:40 ls Dec 22 03:05:41 bah Dec 22 03:29:44 i need to figure this fm transmitter out Dec 22 03:30:38 fm-boost didn't seem to have any effect Dec 22 03:31:39 comawhite, try pointing the N900 in a different direction :) Dec 22 03:32:15 i got a better signal in the cigarette tray lol Dec 22 03:32:24 but still has some static in it Dec 22 03:33:57 try sitting in the passenger seat instead of the driver seat :) Dec 22 03:34:24 any other tips because I ran fm-boost but it just closes right after Dec 22 03:42:06 nothing really. it works for me really well in some cars, i need to hold it at funny angles in others. and in some cars it doesn't work well at all Dec 22 03:43:39 comawhite: $85? why? Dec 22 03:44:24 they finally replied to my email, confirming that they were ridiculously high prices if you wanted anything other than 1 line Dec 22 03:44:30 who pays $120/mo for 2 lines? Dec 22 03:51:11 luke-jr, $60 month, $25 for sim card Dec 22 03:52:19 johnx, got it working over the rearview mirror Dec 22 03:52:28 but i have no windshield mount :( Dec 22 03:52:47 works perfectly with my mp3 player Dec 22 03:52:54 s fm radio Dec 22 03:53:12 i'll just find a cass with the wire to use Dec 22 03:54:07 i thought i had to have headsets in? it complains if i do Dec 22 03:55:09 comawhite: erm, the site says $13 for 2 SIM Dec 22 03:55:20 well i didn't buy it there Dec 22 03:55:22 oh well Dec 22 03:55:24 fail Dec 22 03:55:31 it's okay Dec 22 03:55:33 NewEgg has 1 SIM for $10 :p Dec 22 04:00:12 blah apparently the fm-boost script failed because it only shows 112 not 118 Dec 22 04:16:58 yeah that fm-boost ain't having no effect Dec 22 04:17:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_FM_Radio_Transmitter#Typical_Range Dec 22 04:23:29 yeah' Dec 22 04:23:36 i guess im sol Dec 22 04:25:49 comawhite, where is the antenna on your car? Dec 22 04:26:12 rear left side Dec 22 04:26:27 on the roof? trunk? Dec 22 04:26:38 side of trunk Dec 22 04:27:22 ah. yeah, if your n900 is below the dashboard it'd have to transmit through the body of the car :| Dec 22 04:27:52 do you have a pocket in the center console behind the emergency break Dec 22 04:28:15 yeah it works great with very little static if it sits on the rearview mirror Dec 22 04:33:24 ah, yeah, I meant try standing it up in the center console pocket, like usb port pointing straight up (or down) Dec 22 04:34:09 * SpeedEvil wonders if there is a market for an external FM booster. Dec 22 04:34:17 (a clip-on antenna) Dec 22 04:34:46 didn't you have to use headphones for the transmitter Dec 22 04:34:58 how about stereo bluetooth receiver that re-transmits as FM Dec 22 04:35:27 headphones for the receiver, no headphones for the transmitter Dec 22 04:35:39 i don't have bluetooth in the stereo, it's stocked :( Dec 22 04:38:41 right, so something that receives bt from the N900 and transmits FM :) Dec 22 04:39:05 I have the stock tape+FM stereo in my 96 subaru, with a broken tape deck :) Dec 22 04:39:57 blah tmobile internet won't work :( Dec 22 04:39:58 blah Dec 22 04:40:07 how about hack the subaru to add an aux in? Dec 22 04:40:30 ds3, I'm one of the only people in the world with a perfectly working FM transmitting setup :) Dec 22 04:40:33 hacking stock stereos is so hard :( Dec 22 04:40:42 oh bah :P Dec 22 04:40:48 the fm xmitter is too weak Dec 22 04:40:56 stupid custom harnesses with no documentation Dec 22 04:41:01 hey, I waited *years* to have anything but radio in my car :) Dec 22 04:41:30 the subaru harnesses are documented Dec 22 04:41:38 lucky Dec 22 04:41:49 yup, but I don't need it. I'm totally happy with my FM transmitter Dec 22 04:42:17 would you be interested in upgrading to a Subaru branded unit with a CD ? :D Dec 22 04:42:50 but my antenna is on the roof on the driver side, sticking out at an angle, so it's pretty much ideal condition Dec 22 04:43:04 this is the legacy right? Dec 22 04:43:32 impreza wagon (technically: USDM 96 subaru impreza outback sport 5spd) Dec 22 04:43:55 think the antenna arrangement is the same on the legacy... wonder why the FM xmitter is no good for me Dec 22 04:44:11 thicker body panels? Dec 22 04:44:28 I set my N900 on the passenger seat with the USB port pointed forwards Dec 22 04:44:42 must be, cuz I can get it do something if I hold it on the window or put in the ashtray Dec 22 04:45:12 any other position isn't great in my car, and if I lean across the path between the antenna and the N900 I get static Dec 22 04:45:53 I wonder how well would a T on the antenna feed line work Dec 22 04:47:11 you need something like a TV roof antenna :D Dec 22 04:48:12 I mean add a T to the antenna feed line going into the radio Dec 22 04:48:19 so it can pick up stuff inside the car Dec 22 04:50:15 I know some cars actually have the antenna built into the windshield Dec 22 04:50:19 I bet that'd work great Dec 22 04:51:08 get one and try it? :D Dec 22 05:29:49 good morning Dec 22 07:34:48 hang on, I shouldn't be here Dec 22 07:46:21 good morning Dec 22 07:46:33 hello everybody Dec 22 07:46:35 hi Dec 22 07:57:16 Guten Moaning Dec 22 08:05:27 alterego, how are you today Dec 22 08:05:49 Not bad, :) Dec 22 08:05:55 Planning out the day. Dec 22 08:06:13 guess u must preparing for work soon Dec 22 08:06:34 do you hv a screen protector Dec 22 08:06:44 for your fone? Dec 22 08:08:53 dont see a need for screen protector, been using this n900 for 6months and still not a scratch :< Dec 22 08:09:08 No, but I d,o have some scratches :) Dec 22 08:09:13 chipped the bevel thou :< Dec 22 08:13:52 Yeah, done that too. Dec 22 08:15:21 frals, what is the secret Dec 22 08:15:39 or do you use a phone wallet Dec 22 08:16:45 uh, i generally try to avoid having it in the same pocket as my keys Dec 22 08:16:50 thats about it Dec 22 08:17:26 cos mine has small scratches here n there Dec 22 08:19:47 i remember seeing some of those on my other device during the summer but its not bright enough for them to be visible now ;D Dec 22 08:20:10 and they were only visible if you held it in some weird angle towards a bright light so, yeah Dec 22 08:20:35 k Dec 22 08:21:01 i would look for a fine wallet when i go to the city Dec 22 08:22:10 given the cost of such devices, a case/wallet isn't a bad idea Dec 22 08:22:57 pupnik, you know it is not at all Dec 22 08:23:22 spent much getting mine Dec 22 08:23:34 almost 500$ Dec 22 08:24:30 wipe or clean your hands / thumbs before typing also Pradeep .. Dec 22 08:24:48 small amounts of dirt in the fingertips will abrade the key coating Dec 22 08:25:17 yeah, the key coating is.. less than excellent -_- Dec 22 08:27:44 my battery is some issue i dont knw Dec 22 08:28:01 it drains out easily too Dec 22 08:28:30 That issue is called "smartphone" Dec 22 08:28:43 My keypad is fine. I must have exceptionally clean fingers. :) Dec 22 08:31:01 sucking your thumbs does keep them clean Dec 22 08:31:57 pupnik, lol so do u advice that nw Dec 22 08:32:49 i would just get a clean wallet rubber i guess Dec 22 08:33:17 Heh Dec 22 08:38:51 happy wednesday Dec 22 08:39:18 Happy Wednesday to you too :) Dec 22 08:41:23 you too! Dec 22 08:42:31 u too Dec 22 08:43:31 Well, another app released into the wild. Dec 22 08:43:59 Think I'll start working on a Qml based personal finance app. Dec 22 08:44:20 what did you just release alterego Dec 22 08:45:16 Columbus Dec 22 08:45:33 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=901871 Dec 22 08:50:07 cool Dec 22 08:50:24 anyone experienced with python bindings, especially libhildondesktop? Dec 22 08:50:27 beautiful alterego Dec 22 08:50:45 trying to create a status area plugin which shall replace the clock using python Dec 22 08:50:49 http://pastebin.com/NSAAxuA1 Dec 22 08:50:58 sup Dec 22 08:51:02 though, i get a strange error Dec 22 08:51:24 yello crashanddie Dec 22 08:51:30 the call -> self.set_status_area_widget(self.drawingArea) works fine Dec 22 08:52:04 but -> self.heartbeat_signal_add(0, 1, updateCallback, self.drawingArea, None) yields in an AttributeError: 'TestPlugin' object has no attribute 'heartbeat_signal_add' Dec 22 08:52:25 what's the Qt Creator package I need so that it includes the maemo cross compilation stuff? Dec 22 08:52:43 crashanddie: Nokia Qt SDK Dec 22 08:53:01 looking at python-hildondesktop-0.1.0/libhildondesktop/hildondesktop.defs there should be "heartbeat_signal_add" for objects of type StatusPluginItem Dec 22 08:53:12 crashanddie: otherwise, the latest qt creator and install madde separately then configure qt creator. Dec 22 08:53:15 alterego, finally got it out. But I suppose you decided against using it to make money Dec 22 08:53:25 Termana: yeah Dec 22 08:53:30 alterego, nha, I'll get the Qt SDK Dec 22 08:53:53 or even /usr/share/pygtk/2.0/defs/hildondesktop.defs Dec 22 08:54:27 Termana: I was dragging my feet with it and didn't get all the features I wanted in, in time. So I though fsck it, I'll do a prelim "tech preview" like release yesterday Dec 22 08:54:57 alterego, still keeping the source closed? Dec 22 08:55:09 No, it's completely free Dec 22 08:55:26 I'll be sticking it in git eventually. Dec 22 08:55:36 ok Dec 22 08:55:39 Under what license? Dec 22 08:55:42 But you can get the source archive from extras :) Dec 22 08:55:53 gpl Dec 22 08:56:04 alterego, are u programmer Dec 22 08:56:10 Pradeep: indeed Dec 22 08:56:13 Pradeep, please use "you" Dec 22 08:56:27 Heh Dec 22 08:57:06 I can't believe I'm saying this Dec 22 08:57:12 but 1.1MB/s seems slow. Dec 22 08:57:25 crashanddie: O_O Dec 22 08:57:43 alterego, well, I'm downloading 500MB, and it's like taking a whole 6 minutes! Dec 22 08:57:47 KI live with 239KB/s Dec 22 08:57:57 1.1mb/s is the new dial-up Dec 22 08:58:00 :( and I'm on it Dec 22 08:58:01 :p Dec 22 08:58:03 Yeah no sympathy from here :P Dec 22 08:58:28 My internet is about 2Mb connection through 3G on my N900 Dec 22 08:58:28 alterego, well, my N900 download at 3MB yesterday in a burst! Dec 22 08:59:10 [23:29:18] Fetched 10,0MB in 3s (2.9MB/s) --> is that even possible for the N900? Dec 22 08:59:41 * alterego debates going to sleep or getting out of bed. Dec 22 08:59:52 go to sleep Dec 22 08:59:55 Don't know. not via 3G I don't think Dec 22 09:00:12 It's almost 9 in the morning .. Dec 22 09:00:23 oh, then get out of the bed you lazy sod and make coffee Dec 22 09:00:25 even via 3G, assuming that compression is involved Dec 22 09:00:41 just like you could download at 8k/sec with a 56k modem Dec 22 09:01:00 I remember downloading at 16k/s Dec 22 09:01:03 on a 56k modem Dec 22 09:01:07 everything was corrupted Dec 22 09:01:31 I meant without corruption :P Dec 22 09:01:36 just ppp compression Dec 22 09:02:21 it was quite common to download iso9660 at those speeds Dec 22 09:02:25 Got quite a bitHahah Dec 22 09:02:42 weird Dec 22 09:02:53 I've got quite a bit to do todayl Dec 22 09:03:37 so people i spoke about getting those magstripe readers... i've got an additional 10 of them... i'll disperse them next week, when i have some time off work and won't have to wait in a xmas line at the post office Dec 22 09:03:42 alterego: this includes you :) Dec 22 09:03:50 alterego, seems what I downloaded only has Qt Creator Dec 22 09:04:13 alterego, components: qt creator and qt development libraries Dec 22 09:04:21 is madde included in the dev libs? Dec 22 09:04:28 Cool, a couple of people have requested maritime maps in Columbus. Might look into that :) Dec 22 09:04:52 Erm, the "Nokia Qt SDK" should have madde built in. Dec 22 09:05:02 What did you download? Dec 22 09:05:11 ieatlint: cool, no rush :) Dec 22 09:05:17 qt-sdk-linux-x86_64-opensource-2010.05.1.bin Dec 22 09:05:47 Should have it then Dec 22 09:06:08 yeah, probably is in dev libs Dec 22 09:06:58 does anyone know if the developer device devices have any kind of warranty? Dec 22 09:07:13 cos^: 4 weeks afair Dec 22 09:07:25 mine is having charging problems (= usb connector going to break?) Dec 22 09:07:34 Probably Dec 22 09:07:49 Sounds like a possibility. Dec 22 09:07:55 sounds like i'll have to solder it myself Dec 22 09:08:48 Yeah :/ Dec 22 09:10:11 * alterego contemplates breakfast Dec 22 09:10:22 Right, gonna have a shower bbiab Dec 22 09:11:03 alterego, nope, didn't include madde :( Dec 22 09:14:42 I tried to download Rapier the (Christian) bible reader for Maemo. Dec 22 09:14:46 But it didn't work - I think it was a corrupted archive Dec 22 10:06:24 Where would you say the proper place to put in shared libs that are intended to be plugins for an app? Dec 22 10:06:37 I'm thinking /opt/usr/lib/appname/plugins/* Dec 22 10:18:19 or under share Dec 22 10:18:22 perhaps? Dec 22 10:23:40 <_trine> is anyone around who around who could give me a bit of help, I have just removed the power kernel from my N900 and now it wont boot anymore Dec 22 10:24:22 <_trine> it tries to boot but only ever gets the the nokia page then it starts over Dec 22 10:24:49 sounds like something went wrong Dec 22 10:24:54 which instructions did you follow to remove it? Dec 22 10:25:32 <_trine> none I just used the uninstal program in the phone Dec 22 10:26:36 oh, as I think you also need to remove the kernel modules and then re-install the old kernel + kernel modules Dec 22 10:26:52 it may be that the uninstall scripts do this, but I don;t know Dec 22 10:27:07 <_trine> how can I get it to boot again Dec 22 10:27:18 I guess you'll need to send over the old kernel via the flasher and see if that boots Dec 22 10:27:20 <_trine> is there a way Dec 22 10:27:30 or rather send over the kernel you just removed Dec 22 10:27:40 <_trine> could you give me some links please Dec 22 10:27:54 well you'll have to extract the kernel from the package Dec 22 10:27:58 and flasher Dec 22 10:28:01 ~flasher Dec 22 10:28:01 [flasher] http://wiki.maemo.org/Flasher Dec 22 10:28:16 <_trine> can I do this in linux Dec 22 10:28:26 <_trine> or do I need windows Dec 22 10:28:28 yes Dec 22 10:28:36 no windows needed Dec 22 10:29:19 <_trine> I have just opened the link you gave me Dec 22 10:30:52 so I guess you should try -l for load and also give it the path of the kernel with -k Dec 22 10:30:55 <_trine> my linux is 64 bit Dec 22 10:31:30 so is mine Dec 22 10:31:46 libusb problem? Dec 22 10:33:51 alterego, depends on if plugins are specific to appname Dec 22 10:33:56 <_trine> the instructions say 64 bit is not supported but I guess the 32 bit flasher will still work ,, am i correct Dec 22 10:34:17 yes Dec 22 10:34:30 assuming you have the 32bit libs scattered around Dec 22 10:34:33 morning lardman \o Dec 22 10:34:38 morning lcuk Dec 22 10:34:55 lcuk: well, yeah they are. Dec 22 10:35:09 (at least they're intended to be) Dec 22 10:35:24 alterego: not sure if it's correct, but the mBarcode plugins are in /usr/share/mbarcode/plugins Dec 22 10:36:07 lardman: well, the location is kind of arbitrary. But that's not optified, which is bad. Dec 22 10:36:27 But yeah, it's a toss up between /usr/lib or /usr/share Dec 22 10:36:51 well plugins are small Dec 22 10:37:02 Sure Dec 22 10:37:13 But still :P Dec 22 10:37:31 you have to draw a line somewhere Dec 22 10:37:51 If you're going to optify an app, do it properly .. Dec 22 10:37:53 otherwise we'll just have /bin, /sbin, /etc and /lib on root Dec 22 10:38:25 It's bad enough we have to install things onto the rootfs even with optification :) Dec 22 10:38:27 lardman, is /usr/share/mbarcode symlinked to /opt ? Dec 22 10:39:07 I doubt it Dec 22 10:41:04 Hi. Is it a known problem the microb geolocation extension doesn't work anymore? When I visit a site that asks for geolocation, I choose "accept" but after that the GPS isn't started and the site says something like "location not available". When I have another app lock the GPS on beforehand, the same thing happens. Dec 22 10:41:10 Anyone knows? Dec 22 10:41:35 lardman, if you are storing it on rootfs Dec 22 10:41:51 you will be marked down at the extras-testing gates Dec 22 10:42:02 argh! Dec 22 10:42:06 <_trine> lardman, the flasher will not install on my computer dpkg: error processing maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb (--install): Dec 22 10:42:06 <_trine> package architecture (i386) does not match system (amd64) Dec 22 10:42:06 <_trine> Errors were encountered while processing: Dec 22 10:42:06 <_trine> maemo_flasher-3.5_2.5.2.2_i386.deb Dec 22 10:42:12 in preinst, I setup the folders and symlink Dec 22 10:42:17 from similar to you Dec 22 10:42:35 so that even tho code thinks its talking to /usr/share/liqbase/* Dec 22 10:42:42 its actually all optified Dec 22 10:42:54 sure, I'll have to do some more buggering around with the packaging then, great! Dec 22 10:42:55 morning lcuk, lardman Dec 22 10:43:02 thanks for telling me mind you lcuk :) Dec 22 10:43:03 larryeah, sorry! Dec 22 10:43:05 hi DocScrutinizer Dec 22 10:43:25 _trine: I think there was a static binary somewhere, or you just tell dpkg to ignore the arch Dec 22 10:43:33 lardman, I had the complication that it all has to be done from the library package! Dec 22 10:43:42 all the liq* apps dont know anything about optification Dec 22 10:44:00 they just add to /usr/share/liqbase as before Dec 22 10:44:26 Does geolocation work for you guys in microb? It works in Opera here but not in microb ... Dec 22 10:44:27 yep, better to only change in one location Dec 22 10:44:37 scapor: give us a site to test Dec 22 10:44:58 lcuk: hopefully the next device won't have the rather parsimonious root flash size Dec 22 10:45:44 So you both prefer $PREFIX/share/appname/plugins over $PREFIX/lib/appname/plugins? Dec 22 10:45:49 lardman: http://www.google.com/maps/m Dec 22 10:46:28 DocScrutinizer: you're an LSB fanatic, where do you think plugin shared objects should go? :) Dec 22 10:46:55 scapor: not found Dec 22 10:47:33 <_trine> lardman, I am going to do it on my windows 7 laptop I have just installed the flasher Dec 22 10:47:33 lardman: you mean ...? You couldn't access teh site on your n900 or the location was not available? Dec 22 10:47:38 DocScrutinizer: $PREFIX/{lib,share}/$APPNAME/plugins Dec 22 10:47:40 seems it doesn't like my browser ident Dec 22 10:47:43 ? Dec 22 10:48:15 <_trine> lardman, could I just flash a new complete image,, there is noting I need to save on the phone Dec 22 10:48:17 lardman, yeah well that was partly why I chose the method I did Dec 22 10:48:18 lardman: on microb, it should ask you to share your location Dec 22 10:48:33 no, that url with the extra m doesn't work Dec 22 10:48:34 I did not want to keep switching to different variations Dec 22 10:48:43 without the m it asks me, and it starts the gps Dec 22 10:48:46 anyone else knows about troubles with geolocation in microb ? Dec 22 10:49:07 lardman: on n900 pr 1.3 with microb? Dec 22 10:49:22 yes Dec 22 10:49:37 worksforme but not on your first url, I get re-directed away from that Dec 22 10:49:59 _trine: yes definitely Dec 22 10:50:09 _trine: sorry I thought you were needing to recover it Dec 22 10:50:36 <_trine> lardman, no I just need to get back to a working phone Dec 22 10:50:49 sure, flash the pr1.3 image Dec 22 10:57:44 <_trine> ok I have set the phone to flashing mode as per the instructions Dec 22 10:57:54 Now to package .. Dec 22 10:58:01 <_trine> now I need to find the right image Dec 22 10:58:25 _trine: if you're still under Windows you should be able to automatically download it with the UI flasher tool Dec 22 10:58:43 anyone know whether QDir::entryList() returns filenames with paths or without? Dec 22 10:58:44 <_trine> ah how do you do that Dec 22 10:58:52 http://europe.nokia.com/support/download-software/device-software-update?n900=# Dec 22 10:59:40 otherwise the FIASCO image is available directly, but I don;t know the url off the top of my head Dec 22 10:59:43 ~pr1.3 Dec 22 10:59:43 well, pr1.3 is the latest (and probably last) software update for Fremantle, available since Monday October 25 2010. More information at http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_5/PR1.3 -- see ~flashing for how to update Dec 22 10:59:54 should be a linky in there somewhere Dec 22 11:03:52 hmm, names are relative to the QDir Dec 22 11:06:20 Hrm, okay, this might take a little more refactoring to fix deps :/ Dec 22 11:10:09 "Thanked 367 Times in 118 Posts" I guess that's not a bad ratio :D Dec 22 11:22:53 can you tell me how I can access my Downloads in my File Manager through my X-Terminal? Dec 22 11:22:56 where is it located? Dec 22 11:24:03 anybody? Dec 22 11:25:09 MyDocs Dec 22 11:25:12 /home/user/ Dec 22 11:25:19 /home/user/MyDocs/.downloads iirc Dec 22 11:25:28 okay.thanks Dec 22 11:25:46 =) Dec 22 11:28:18 how do I run a ./configure becoming a super user? Dec 22 11:28:36 sudo gainroot doesnt work Dec 22 11:29:43 in first place Dec 22 11:29:48 you don't have compiler on a phone Dec 22 11:29:57 jacekowski: I did. Dec 22 11:29:59 and no autotools Dec 22 11:30:05 but he doesn't Dec 22 11:30:09 Hihi Dec 22 11:30:23 so what do I do? Dec 22 11:30:42 need Qt for my N900 Dec 22 11:30:58 fish_sticks: apt-get it Dec 22 11:31:14 apt-get what? Dec 22 11:31:18 apt-get qt? Dec 22 11:32:28 apt-get install qt? Dec 22 11:33:02 What part of QT do you want? Dec 22 11:33:25 need to check out meego on N900 Dec 22 11:33:38 so I'm not too sure what I have to put into it Dec 22 11:34:53 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900 Dec 22 11:35:21 phellarv: not the image Dec 22 11:35:29 just to run my test apps on a remote device Dec 22 11:35:51 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900#Installing_MeeGo_on_N900 Dec 22 11:36:27 its the same link =S Dec 22 11:37:12 Wow, I'm actually suprised that worked .. Dec 22 11:37:13 "Installing_MeeGo_on_N900" <--- Wasn't it this you wanted to do? Dec 22 11:37:30 dont want to install meego on n900 Dec 22 11:37:36 just want to try my apps in them Dec 22 11:37:44 err, mfe on modest syncs spam and all mail folders? Dec 22 11:37:50 Soooo? Dec 22 11:37:51 http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World Dec 22 11:37:52 but can you disable some folders from syncing? Dec 22 11:37:57 phellarv: http://wiki.meego.com/SDK/Docs/1.1/Creating_Hello_World Dec 22 11:39:10 fish_sticks: So you want to test an app on Meego, but do not want to install Meego on the N900? Dec 22 11:39:50 exactly. Dec 22 11:39:55 that's possible right? Dec 22 11:40:28 Uhm - Not quite. You're presenting a contradiction in terms. Dec 22 11:40:50 But you probs can run it in a VM on your PC. Dec 22 11:41:09 I do not how to do that, but it's probably possible Dec 22 11:41:14 but then there will be a problem with the size and stuff right? Dec 22 11:41:47 phellarv: when I run test using Qt-Creator,it finds the arm architecture(N900) Dec 22 11:41:57 fish_sticks: As I wrote - probably possible - but I have no knowledge on how. Dec 22 11:41:57 but then it tells me Qt 4.7 is not installed in it Dec 22 11:42:08 update to PR1.3 Dec 22 11:42:19 Hey mohammad :) Dec 22 11:42:19 MohammadAG to the rescue. Dec 22 11:42:22 =) Dec 22 11:42:31 hi alterego, phellarv :) Dec 22 11:42:32 how do I know which is the current version? Dec 22 11:42:46 dpkg -l mp-fremantle* is a way Dec 22 11:42:52 Settings > About product is another Dec 22 11:42:56 okay Dec 22 11:42:57 will check Dec 22 11:43:26 20.2010.36-2 is latest Dec 22 11:43:43 mine is 20.2010.36-2 Dec 22 11:43:57 that should have Qt 4.7 Dec 22 11:43:57 flashed it about a month back or so Dec 22 11:44:14 but my Qt Creator says it doesnt = Dec 22 11:44:28 dpkg -l libqt4-core Dec 22 11:44:35 okay Dec 22 11:45:14 it says 4.7 Dec 22 11:45:42 so that means its there right? Dec 22 11:45:48 yup Dec 22 11:45:59 but Qt Creator doesnt detect it Dec 22 11:46:08 it detects the architecture and the kernel Dec 22 11:46:35 but tells me it doesnt have Qt 4.6.22 Dec 22 11:46:38 *.4.6.2 Dec 22 11:47:10 **4.6.2 Dec 22 11:47:42 MohammadAG: http://pastebin.ca/2026179 Dec 22 11:49:59 fish_sticks, hmm Dec 22 11:50:04 fish_sticks, got mad-developer? Dec 22 11:50:16 what's that? Dec 22 11:51:46 it's a helper for Qt Creator Dec 22 11:51:52 googled it.got it on my laptop but not on my N900 Dec 22 11:51:54 also, is the Qt Creator running the 1.3 sysroot? Dec 22 11:52:16 its qt creator 2.0.1 Dec 22 11:53:37 installing mad-developer on the N900 Dec 22 11:54:37 MohammadAG: still nothing Dec 22 11:54:39 same error Dec 22 11:54:57 what sysroot do you have? Dec 22 11:55:11 how do I check that? Dec 22 11:55:20 which host OS? Dec 22 11:55:31 my laptop's a Fedora 14 Dec 22 11:55:39 oh cool Dec 22 11:55:43 umm Dec 22 11:55:52 did you install Qt Creator as root or as user? Dec 22 11:56:04 um...root i think Dec 22 11:56:17 dont remember honestly Dec 22 11:56:30 MohammadAG: just spent the morning splitting my columbus tree into: librxsupport, libcolumbus, columbus, columbus-plugins Dec 22 11:56:34 try ls ~/NokiaQtSDK/Maemo/4.6.2/sysroots/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim/ Dec 22 11:56:46 checking Dec 22 11:56:50 It all worked quite smoothly :D Dec 22 11:56:52 alterego, yay, should it make it harder for me to coordinate the source :P Dec 22 11:57:38 MohammadAG: dont have a folder like that Dec 22 11:57:48 my qt creator's in /opt/meego Dec 22 11:58:04 then it's for MeeGo not maemo? Dec 22 11:58:10 MohammadAG: it's been quite a nice learning experience of more advanced .pro usage :) Dec 22 11:58:13 yeah.its for MeeGo Dec 22 11:58:23 you need the Maemo sysroot Dec 22 11:58:34 sysroot meaning? Dec 22 11:58:37 on the N900? Dec 22 11:58:45 http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html Dec 22 11:59:46 MohammadAG: how is that going to help me? Dec 22 12:00:03 it should include the sysroot Dec 22 12:00:11 but its not for Fedora Dec 22 12:00:23 no wait Dec 22 12:00:26 that's fine Dec 22 12:00:37 it's OS independent afaik Dec 22 12:00:37 so you mean to tell me I have to use this for MeeGo? Dec 22 12:00:45 that's for Maemo Dec 22 12:00:57 the link you sent me is for maemo? Dec 22 12:01:03 yes Dec 22 12:01:06 okay Dec 22 12:01:21 alterego, layouts? Please? :P Dec 22 12:01:26 alterego, actually, sec Dec 22 12:01:26 I know I shouldnt be asking this here...but...so what do I use for MeeGo? Dec 22 12:01:37 MohammadAG: yes, I've got you penned in this afternoon ;) Dec 22 12:01:45 I should have MeeGo on my N900, MohammadAG Dec 22 12:01:47 ? Dec 22 12:02:09 alterego, any ideas if it's possible to remove widgets from the layout, then add them, and all that while the N900 is doing the rotation animation Dec 22 12:02:31 MohammadAG: I don't remove, I hide() :) Dec 22 12:02:32 fish_sticks, Qt 4.7 is on both Maemo and MeeGo, so unless you have some specific code, they should run the same Dec 22 12:02:43 alterego, well, that's what I'm doing right now Dec 22 12:02:52 MohammadAG, do you have atest build or just a set of side by side screenshots Dec 22 12:02:52 alterego, but that means I'll have to use two widgets ;) Dec 22 12:03:00 but the problem is that when I run the emulator,it fails to detect Qt on my N900 Dec 22 12:03:00 Oh, Dec 22 12:03:06 for the awesome maemo community media player :) Dec 22 12:03:06 that's the primary problem Dec 22 12:03:22 lcuk, UI is almost exactly the same, but sec Dec 22 12:03:23 MohammadAG: I'll have a look in a bit once I've finished this rafactoring. Dec 22 12:03:35 lcuk, do you want the binary nicolai sent me? (It's the same as crashanddie's source atm) Dec 22 12:03:37 MohammadAG, yeah I know Dec 22 12:03:53 hmm no I will wait for binaries Dec 22 12:03:56 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer :) Dec 22 12:04:15 that's a binary Dec 22 12:04:20 i am immensely pleased you lot have started this btw :) Dec 22 12:04:24 source is on gitorious Dec 22 12:05:39 i saw last night MohammadAG Dec 22 12:05:48 :) Dec 22 12:06:30 would be an interesting post for some blog minded person to do to show teamwork from everyone Dec 22 12:08:37 Well, that's what we're about isn't it? :D Dec 22 12:11:40 yep alterego :) Dec 22 12:13:44 naw crap Dec 22 12:13:52 I just got the WinXP vm set up Dec 22 12:13:57 installed guest additions, and it went blank Dec 22 12:46:32 im having trouble with mounting my phone, it's only giving my cities, DCIM, Mac OS and autorun.inf, I can't access anything else Dec 22 12:48:35 hi Dec 22 12:49:54 i really cannot find the f1 f2 ... f10 keys on n900 keyboard Dec 22 12:50:19 ah he problem is I have to access my music from /media/Nokia\ N900/.sounds -_- Dec 22 12:50:25 damn hidden directories Dec 22 12:51:39 use filebox or midnight commander Dec 22 12:52:50 on the phone or in linux itself? Dec 22 12:53:05 on the phone Dec 22 12:53:28 Loom, jave you tried using the up arrow key in the onscreen keyboard? Dec 22 12:53:43 its on the bottom lower left corner Dec 22 12:53:54 i have to use it to access > key =[ Dec 22 12:54:53 what if i don't use the onscreen keyboard? Dec 22 12:55:32 there is no way to activate them from the keypad? Dec 22 12:55:53 afaik no, but then again im still playing with my phone Dec 22 12:56:32 unless it's tat Sym button + 1 button Dec 22 12:56:43 wtf I get bad encoding on files Dec 22 12:57:21 "Liebe ist für alle da" Dec 22 12:57:24 :S Dec 22 13:00:46 jacekowski, hmm, no way of expanding a vdi file? Dec 22 13:03:13 I should really stagger my responses to keep my ANNOUNCE thread in "Active Topics" on tmo .. Dec 22 13:03:25 alterego: no, you shouldn't Dec 22 13:03:36 alterego: because you are competing with my ANNOUNCE thread! :P Dec 22 13:05:02 Teehee, what's yours? Dec 22 13:05:42 alterego: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 Dec 22 13:06:22 alterego: and you haven't even gave me a Thanks! yet... despite I did for yours! :P Dec 22 13:06:47 I didn't know it was yours :P Dec 22 13:06:50 Oh wait, Dec 22 13:06:56 YEah, that's awesome. Dec 22 13:07:03 I must have missed the announce :( Dec 22 13:07:13 There you go, doned it :P Dec 22 13:07:32 alterego, no, I linked it to you on IRC the moment I made the thread, and you said 'cool'... now you say you missed it :P Dec 22 13:07:58 s/missed/ignored/ Dec 22 13:08:00 Hah Dec 22 13:08:03 hehehe .D Dec 22 13:08:05 :D Dec 22 13:08:05 Sorry, I've been quite busy :P Dec 22 13:08:31 Refactor finished http://pastie.org/private/r8oqegmly9qyuxll0erd6w Dec 22 13:08:33 with your own thread, I see :) Dec 22 13:09:16 I am now a .pro pro ^.^ Dec 22 13:09:44 One global project that builds 6 seperate projects Dec 22 13:10:28 Now to debianize Dec 22 13:11:08 meh noone knows where the f1 ... f10 are? Dec 22 13:11:22 Loom: wut? Dec 22 13:11:23 I know where F4 and F5 are .. Dec 22 13:11:26 Loom: what's the question? Dec 22 13:13:25 i cannot find the f1 ... f10 keys in my n900 keyboard Dec 22 13:13:42 Loom: there are no such keys on the N900's keyboard Dec 22 13:13:53 Loom: at least my N900 doesn't have them!!! :D Dec 22 13:13:54 F4 and F5 are the volume keys btw Dec 22 13:13:58 alterego, volume keys? :P Dec 22 13:14:04 MohammadAG: ;) Dec 22 13:14:14 alterego, that's a surprise :) Dec 22 13:14:39 Loom: the only way you'll get proper Fn keys is with an external Bluetooth or USB keyboard :) Dec 22 13:15:05 Loom: you can always edit your X keyboard map to add a combo for the F keys you need. see the "Remapping the keyboard" article on the Maemo wiki Dec 22 13:16:23 because both htop and midnight commander using the f keys i assumed they existed Dec 22 13:17:46 DocScrutinizer, troll detected on hostmode thread Dec 22 13:18:08 hmm Dec 22 13:18:12 so what? Dec 22 13:18:28 His name starts with Matan Dec 22 13:18:28 MohammadAG: kill 'em Dec 22 13:18:37 Loom: well I'm sorry Dec 22 13:18:43 again with the USB Host mode kills your USB, but OC does not kill the CPU Dec 22 13:18:52 MohammadAG: link pls Dec 22 13:19:05 IDIOT Dec 22 13:19:06 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=902020&postcount=578 Dec 22 13:19:59 * MohammadAG would joke about .de vs .co.il, but.., nvm Dec 22 13:21:00 IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT IDIOT Dec 22 13:22:08 LoooL Dec 22 13:22:15 this guy is totally nuts Dec 22 13:22:23 meh, couldn't bother less to feed this troll Dec 22 13:23:19 I fed him a little, but just because I can laugh at his response Dec 22 13:24:08 btw, with the "no more nokia devices for me) slogan in his signature, he could just go and bugger off TMO Dec 22 13:27:57 MohammadAG: could you please answer that N900 is like one year old, OC is even much younger, and OC isn't supposed to make CPU *explode* but rather will significantly reduce the lifespan, so It's up to anybodies guess whether a 1.2GHz OC'd device will start to act up after 2000hours of aircrack or Mwhile true; do :; done' or after 1000h or after 100h Dec 22 13:29:32 and the unconfirmed claim there are no devices known that suffered from OC degradation is missing a single important word : YET Dec 22 13:31:36 N900 cpu clock has been chosen to guarantee over 2 years of constant *usage* (means loads above idle) Dec 22 13:32:22 doubling max CPU clock to 1.2GHz won't half but rather make that figure a hunderedth Dec 22 13:32:51 maybe even 1/1000 Dec 22 13:33:17 DocScrutinizer51: At higher clock speeds, the used current reported by the bq27x00 module goes up, even when (substantial) lower voltages are set (on-chip SmartReflex hardware if I'm right?). Isn't that enough prove that OC'ing will wear your CPU at a much higher rate? I've tested this with a simple shell script + nbench in offline mode a while ago (when you responded to my PM about OC'ing if you remember :) Dec 22 13:33:26 Haven't overclocked since then Dec 22 13:33:46 btw I don't know about the realiability of the current_now interface, but even if it's off, it still goes up considerably Dec 22 13:33:46 this is a known and almost as well understood fact as max plug rounds of a USB Dec 22 13:33:47 DocScrutinizer51: So basically - It qould crash and burn instantaniously? ;-P Dec 22 13:34:20 s/qould/would Dec 22 13:34:20 docscrutinizer51, the thing is, nobody appears to know how long time the device actually operates as 1.2GHz Dec 22 13:34:23 iDont: yes Dec 22 13:34:39 docscrutinizer51, as nobody runs that kind of loops in real-life-use, or if they do, it's likely a bug Dec 22 13:35:15 I appear to have lost the file with the resultst, but IIRC the used current at 1000mhz was in the high 2000, low 3000 range. At stock speed it was aroundf ~1700 Dec 22 13:35:20 (and I personally wouldn't mind having an app that kills apps that do that. they eat the battery.) Dec 22 13:35:33 flux: that's the whole point Dec 22 13:36:03 Well, not current, but the number current_now outputted :P Dec 22 13:36:28 doesn't the kernel actually keep track of how many seconds are spent in which power saving level, or is that only during the running of powertop? Dec 22 13:37:54 flux: if it doesn it'll be under sysfs Dec 22 13:38:02 s/doesn/does/ Dec 22 13:38:03 alterego meant: flux: if it does it'll be under sysfs Dec 22 13:38:15 I don't remember seeing it personally though .. Dec 22 13:46:44 /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/time_in_state Dec 22 13:47:56 //sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/*/time Dec 22 13:48:02 flux: Dec 22 13:48:27 SpeedEvil: thanks Dec 22 13:49:08 I pondered to create a "N900 OCers CPU wear Odometer' app Dec 22 13:50:12 unit 500MHz-seconds Dec 22 13:51:45 so the meter would go up 1/s @500, and correspondingly maybe 3/s @600, 10/s @800 etc Dec 22 13:52:29 DocScrutinizer51: If you're really gonna make something like that: maybe add an option to monitor avarage current between when the user clicks start/stop? Should be easy to do and is really convincing (it convinced me at least). Dec 22 13:52:33 could use proper algorithm from wiki EM, and actual values from BQ27200 etc Dec 22 13:52:37 just a suggestion Dec 22 13:53:18 iDont: sure, planned as much Dec 22 13:54:07 DocScrutinizer51: Nice :) Dec 22 13:54:29 lcuk, frankly, I don't want to start blogging about it just yet Dec 22 13:54:34 lcuk, delayed gratification, etc Dec 22 13:54:52 well dunnoif I ever can be arsed to really do it, just to get flamed for it Dec 22 13:55:29 hehe, it's your spare time, so do as you wish Dec 22 14:02:55 Hello Dec 22 14:03:02 dude remaping keyboard doesn't look easy Dec 22 14:03:04 hi Dec 22 14:03:26 hi, if i ignore pop up to update software, can i do it later from root; apt-get update/upgrade ? Dec 22 14:04:02 juk: it'll popup every day Dec 22 14:04:05 hi, if i ignore pop up to update software, can i do it later from xterm, by:root; apt-get update/upgrade ? Dec 22 14:04:06 But yes, you can Dec 22 14:04:37 alterego: so same thing? Dec 22 14:05:41 alterego: in ubuntu it is same Dec 22 14:06:05 YEs, normal debian stuff Dec 22 14:06:20 alterego: thanks Dec 22 14:25:08 hmm, I'm having some curious QString problems Dec 22 14:25:14 never do "apt-get (dist-)upgrade" ! Dec 22 14:25:46 trying to copy from one to another I get sigill, and trying to use one of them I get a segfault, but somehow the data can be printed via qDebug() Dec 22 14:26:26 I guess that means that something about the QString is broken, memory corruption Dec 22 14:27:46 I guess that means Qstring is an object and can't be handled like a usual string Dec 22 14:28:04 ? Dec 22 14:28:38 yeah it's not just a char array Dec 22 14:28:49 exactly Dec 22 14:28:52 lardman: show me the code Dec 22 14:29:03 QString is an array of UTF-16 characters btw Dec 22 14:29:15 plus, it contains some convenience features Dec 22 14:29:27 not even that Dec 22 14:30:07 it an object consisting of a datatype like you say, and some methods and properties Dec 22 14:30:11 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/trunk/mbarcode-qt-plugins/PythonQTPluginWrapper3/pythonqtwrappersink.cpp?root=maemo-barcode&view=markup Dec 22 14:30:25 fn @ line 136 Dec 22 14:30:27 DocScrutinizer51: well it's not an array in reality, but it can be understood as one Dec 22 14:30:30 lardman: checking Dec 22 14:30:49 qstring.value maybe is that UTF16 array Dec 22 14:30:50 if I uncomment lines 142 & 143 I get sigill, as it is atm I get a segfault Dec 22 14:31:16 doh, well I'll get a segfault anyway because those lines are commented Dec 22 14:31:27 so that explains that Dec 22 14:31:27 DocScrutinizer51: QString has an operator[] that allows to access it as such Dec 22 14:31:37 yes Dec 22 14:31:52 that's all OO voodoo Dec 22 14:32:19 I ve a question for package expert Dec 22 14:32:24 overcharging operators etc pp Dec 22 14:32:55 why a postrm script put is executed after the update and not after the remove of the old version and the install of the new one ? Dec 22 14:32:56 lardman: I see no problems in the code, the segfault is not from QString that's for sure Dec 22 14:33:14 s/-put Dec 22 14:33:27 to sell phones in the USA you have to give operators some nice way to rip off their customers that Apple and Google haven't invented yet Dec 22 14:33:57 corrupt collapsing culture Dec 22 14:34:13 bbl Dec 22 14:34:24 they'll push the crack for you... Dec 22 14:34:42 or was the term "overloading"? even "overriding"? Dec 22 14:35:17 stupid maemo package web promoter Dec 22 14:35:19 pffff Dec 22 14:35:24 DocScrutinizer51: the term is "operator overloading", and it's a feature of C++ Dec 22 14:35:38 strange, almost as if my class object has been broken - hence the sigill when I try to copy QStrings and the segfault when I try to use the existing values that are part of the class Dec 22 14:35:46 DocScrutinizer51: "override" is the term which you use when you re-implement a virtual method of a class Dec 22 14:42:22 lardman: you're aware of that web page of Qt HowTo about QStrings, which I remember I've seen "years ago" Dec 22 14:43:41 * RST38h quietly suggests using char * instead Dec 22 14:44:04 or python unicode and avoid QString ... Dec 22 14:44:09 .. :) Dec 22 14:47:24 Any class that uses hidden memory allocation is suspicious, if not evil Dec 22 14:48:32 It's more fun when you pass objects of that class by value as parameters. Dec 22 14:48:50 lardman: http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/qstring.html#details and http://doc.trolltech.com/4.7/implicit-sharing.html might gelp Dec 22 14:55:19 DocScrutinizer: thanks, but afaict it's not a feature of the QString to get sigill when copying it Dec 22 14:55:37 so I'm guessing something's trampled on the class object Dec 22 14:55:40 not really X-D Dec 22 14:56:34 where can i get an xvid codec? Dec 22 14:57:47 * lardman goes to dig his car out, bbl Dec 22 15:04:20 One of the main differences in cultures that have excellent health records versus those that don’t is the number of servings of fruits and vegetables eaten in a day. Dec 22 15:06:08 * DangerMaus tosses the apple aside and has some fish Dec 22 15:06:51 yeah, vegetables and fruits frequently are rather toxic, especially when cultivated in countries with low standards regarding pesticides Dec 22 15:08:48 topmost example: the oh-so-healthy green salad which has just same nutrition value as a paper handkerchief, but significantly more toxic nitrates Dec 22 15:10:27 * DocScrutinizer ponders to eat a paper handkerchief with his latte macciato Dec 22 15:11:05 IT MOR CHIKIN Dec 22 15:11:15 (moo) Dec 22 15:14:27 you know the sory about those asian immigrants at London who suffered malnutrition despite they ate the same vegies they also knew from their home? It turned out the vgies in UK were *too clean* and so the immigrants missed all the B-vitamins they had with the soil and bugs and worms in those vegies at home Dec 22 15:14:38 s/sory/story Dec 22 15:15:33 moo RST38h Dec 22 15:16:17 Also - white rice Dec 22 15:16:25 wow DocScrutinizer Dec 22 15:16:54 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Beriberi Dec 22 15:17:06 i wish our bodies had meters for exactly what we're missing Dec 22 15:17:23 you got a good meter: your appetite Dec 22 15:17:40 you just mustn't ruin it Dec 22 15:17:48 with junk food eh Dec 22 15:18:26 Your body is really poor at determining what it needs. Dec 22 15:18:30 In many cases Dec 22 15:18:38 At least - with a non-natural diet Dec 22 15:18:48 yep, that's the point Dec 22 15:18:55 i can sometimes sense a craving for fruit - i think Dec 22 15:19:10 just concerned about diet since i'm kind of snowed-in with no meat Dec 22 15:19:20 eeeew Dec 22 15:19:32 pupnik: Fail. Dec 22 15:19:37 pupnik: Get a freezer. Dec 22 15:19:50 well i could actually go out and get some Dec 22 15:19:59 * SpeedEvil has ~3 months of reasonably nice food. Dec 22 15:20:05 SpeedEvil: ++ Dec 22 15:20:17 Another ~3 of meh. Dec 22 15:20:26 i'm down to the meh Dec 22 15:20:27 hmm, I should definitely check which turkish restaurants are open Fr,Sa,Su Dec 22 15:20:33 SpeedEvil, actually, I think the body is very good at determining what we need Dec 22 15:20:41 SpeedEvil, we just suck at understanding what our body tells us Dec 22 15:20:54 crashanddie: Of macronutrients - perhaps, to a degree, and salt. Dec 22 15:21:03 crashanddie: Much else - no. Dec 22 15:21:08 well, lack of salt will give you massive headaches Dec 22 15:21:32 You don't get any sensible signals of a selenium deficiency. Dec 22 15:21:55 I can assure you I do, and a few members of my family have as well Dec 22 15:22:21 this summer, pretty hot, been sweating a reasonable amount. Because a family member was taking some medication that prohibited salt, we all kinda cut out on it Dec 22 15:22:41 for 3 days, I had a migraine so strong most over-the-counter medication couldn't kick it Dec 22 15:23:06 then, I went to Paris, had salted crisps for lunch, and the migraine disappeared in matter of minutes Dec 22 15:23:41 Umm Dec 22 15:23:47 and that's just one anecdote, I've had that happen quite a few times, usually in hot climates where I sweat a lot Dec 22 15:23:50 I said salt you do get signals for Dec 22 15:24:08 Not for many important trace elements. Dec 22 15:24:13 I just wonder why sometimes I feel an urge to eat things like slaw or raw tomatoes, which I both hate. When I think about it, it's frequently after a period of bad eating habits Dec 22 15:24:32 also can be cured by a multivitamin pill Dec 22 15:25:02 Sure. Dec 22 15:25:45 dunno if it's selen deficit, but for sure it's more complex than salt deficit Dec 22 15:27:04 protein deficit also very definitely detected by my appetite Dec 22 15:29:46 It's time to put the spiked tires on the mountain bike. Dec 22 16:01:07 quite quiet Dec 22 16:01:45 hey lcuk, saw this and thought of you Dec 22 16:01:52 http://img593.imageshack.us/img593/3614/500xemailandbacon.jpg Dec 22 16:02:22 :-D Dec 22 16:02:35 hahah Dec 22 16:02:55 I want a car with bacon too Dec 22 16:05:31 re Dec 22 16:05:37 X-Fade, Ping? Dec 22 16:05:48 "It never rains in California..." ? Hmmm Dec 22 16:10:02 lardman: g.m.o/proj/maemo-barcode registered 2008-07-17 12:17 --- DUH! Dec 22 16:11:47 lol Nokia's using the annoying orange xD http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=IqLHo8IQ7Cw&feature=feedu Dec 22 16:13:02 are the packages in the repo of Nokia n900 and maemo signed? Dec 22 16:19:04 MohammadAG: lol at the video Dec 22 16:47:51 DocScrutinizer: what's up? Dec 22 16:52:55 Venemo, 4 more posts and you'll hit 1k!!! Dec 22 16:53:38 yeah MohammadAG :) Dec 22 16:54:37 MohammadAG: but you have even more, and you have LOTS more Thanks!es Dec 22 16:54:48 Venemo, *checks* Dec 22 16:55:23 nah, 4722 Dec 22 16:55:32 4472* Dec 22 16:55:45 MohammadAG: that is almost 3 times the posts you have, hehe Dec 22 16:56:20 lol @ ratio, Thanked 4,472 Times in 741 Posts Dec 22 16:56:36 MohammadAG: yep my ratio is nowhere near that Dec 22 16:58:36 Venemo: you should post less. Dec 22 16:58:53 RST38h: hehe Dec 22 16:59:40 bbl Dec 22 17:04:46 In an effort to investigate the impact of the leaked diplomatic cables, the CIA have launched the Wikileaks Task Force, commonly referred to at CIA headquarters as 'WTF'. Dec 22 17:04:56 WTF indeed. Dec 22 17:08:28 lol RST38h Dec 22 17:10:55 my N900 hit 68C, as measured by a thermometer Dec 22 17:11:14 MohammadAG, o_O Dec 22 17:11:18 what were you doing at the time Dec 22 17:11:26 and which port did you shove the thermometer into? Dec 22 17:15:03 battery side :P Dec 22 17:15:11 lcuk, nothing, that's what's bothering me Dec 22 17:15:40 load averages are around 0.10 Dec 22 17:16:10 though I am using 3G Dec 22 17:16:36 3G can use about 4 times more than the CPU :) Dec 22 17:16:53 MohammadAG: I've had that temp - though it was in the sun at the time. Dec 22 17:18:00 and this gray part at the bottom of the screen is stretching longer Dec 22 17:19:25 MohammadAG, were you charging? Dec 22 17:20:00 no, connected to USB, battery full for hours Dec 22 17:21:16 That kind of temperature rise shouldn't really be possible without consuming more power than USB can provide :) Dec 22 17:24:03 MohammadAG: 68°C without overclocking? Dec 22 17:24:22 MohammadAG: how is the temperature there? I mean, outside Dec 22 17:24:47 Venemo, yeah Dec 22 17:25:08 16 or sth Dec 22 17:25:31 MohammadAG: well then the N900 shouldn't be 68°C Dec 22 17:26:01 I've never been able to make the CPU use that much ::/ Dec 22 17:26:37 ShadowJK: while true; do true; done & Dec 22 17:27:02 luke-jr, not even RC5 keycracking makes it use much Dec 22 17:27:09 like it still lasts 2 or 3 hours doing that Dec 22 17:27:16 UMTS Dec 22 17:28:23 hi, if i press backspace in mplayer it shows speed 1x but how to in/decrease speed? Dec 22 17:29:25 Anyone gota a good headphone (Stereo BT preferred) advice, compatible with N900? I HATE (In bold and underlined) original ones as I already damaged 2 of them in a year, so durability matters. Dec 22 17:30:08 wow Dec 22 17:30:25 user__: no idea, maybe ask mplayer devs Dec 22 17:30:46 Venemo: maemo mplayer devs? Dec 22 17:31:01 user__: possible Dec 22 17:31:15 (Reposting from my original nickname, sorry for noise) Anyone gota a good headphone (Stereo BT preferred) advice, compatible with N900? I HATE (In bold and underlined) original ones as I already damaged 2 of them in a year, so durability matters. Dec 22 17:33:01 Aranel_: I use a simple, cheap Thomson one, so probably not what you're looking for Dec 22 17:34:08 Aranel_: how did u damaged em? Dec 22 17:34:24 Venemo: well, I'm looking for exact quality (or better) but better durability. Dec 22 17:34:50 Aranel_: Thomson HED86N is what I use. Dec 22 17:34:53 user__: my first one lost sound on one channel, I repaired it with another 3,5mm jack, worked for a week, lost both channels. Dec 22 17:35:16 Aranel_: it cost about 1000 HUF (about €4) in a Tesco Dec 22 17:35:18 user__: second one lost both channels, repaired it, lasted 1 day. Dec 22 17:35:33 I have some shure headphones, and my drum headphones Dec 22 17:36:07 Aranel_: funny mine also lost sound on one ear Dec 22 17:36:09 crashanddie: can you give me a model name? It would be better since I don't know anything about headphones. Dec 22 17:36:29 infobot: are you a bot? Dec 22 17:36:31 user__: well It's not that funny when it happens twice :p Dec 22 17:36:40 Venemo, he is Dec 22 17:36:43 I kno Dec 22 17:36:59 was just curious if he had something to say for this Dec 22 17:37:04 ~botsnack Dec 22 17:37:05 Venemo: aw, gee Dec 22 17:37:05 anyway I'm done with Nokia headphones. Dec 22 17:38:13 Aranel_: oh yeah, ofcourse, where did u buy n900? Dec 22 17:38:28 user__: bought it from USA, I'm now living in Turkey. Dec 22 17:38:38 Aranel_, just get a 60 quid sennheiser/shure aural headphone set Dec 22 17:38:45 Aranel_, can't really go wrong Dec 22 17:39:53 crashanddie: do you know Stereo BT ones? Maybe It would be better for me, since It looks like I'm good at damaging them :) Dec 22 17:40:15 Aranel_: i thought because it's chinese as mine Dec 22 17:41:12 Aranel_, nope Dec 22 17:41:20 user__: nope, I heard the same "my original headphone is not working" story from lots of other ppl. Dec 22 17:42:06 Aranel_: i see, nokia to blame Dec 22 17:42:15 Is there any way to know if a headphone is compatible with N900 or not? Dec 22 17:42:17 Aranel_, for the drumming, I've got a a pair of Ultimate Ears 700 (rehearsal), and I used to have some Ultimate Ears 7 Pro (custom built for my ear) but those got lost in all the moving Dec 22 17:42:42 Aranel_: try sticking in it Dec 22 17:42:49 The ultimate ears 700 probably go for something around 150 quid Dec 22 17:42:59 crashanddie: Buy new: $199.99 $184.07 Dec 22 17:43:07 yeah, sounds about right Dec 22 17:43:32 though, bear in mind it comes with something like 5 feet of cable Dec 22 17:43:42 crashanddie: how about under $100 ones? :) $184 is a bit too much for me to buy. Dec 22 17:43:58 Aranel_, sennheiser and shure really provide good quality Dec 22 17:44:09 I actually have some Sony ones I got in an airport that I use for the laptop at work Dec 22 17:44:13 crashanddie: do all sennheiser/shure units work on N900? Dec 22 17:44:29 yeah, but no microphone Dec 22 17:44:33 javispedro moo Dec 22 17:44:38 morning Dec 22 17:44:44 Aranel_, as long as it's 3.5mm, it should be fine Dec 22 17:44:54 Aranel_, though, just ask the salesperson to open it and test it Dec 22 17:45:01 anyway, I gotta run Dec 22 17:45:13 ok, thank you =) Dec 22 17:45:41 well I can't ask to the salesperson, I'm gonna buy it online :) Dec 22 17:47:16 Aranel_: oh i see y u cant sticking to test Dec 22 17:47:52 yes, nobody here sells those headphones, I'm in a small city. Dec 22 17:51:33 Aranel_: just checked my second ears, theres a n95 sticker, if it helps Dec 22 17:53:00 @ears headphone Dec 22 17:54:01 user__: n95 sticker = made by nokia = no way. Dec 22 17:54:02 :P Dec 22 17:54:25 Maemo Mplayer guys they change code and want to remain unknown Dec 22 17:54:45 yes, they are evil Dec 22 17:55:00 while you do not change the code but want to become known, I assume? Dec 22 17:55:43 RST38h, no, that's why he kept his nick as user Dec 22 17:55:51 Ultimate Ears SuperFi 5vi Noise Isolating Earphones w/ Microphone How about this one? Anyone suggests/hates it? Dec 22 17:57:23 hi Dec 22 17:57:27 ciao Dec 22 17:57:44 !list Dec 22 17:57:48 Mohammad: Ah, true Dec 22 17:58:18 * javispedro ponders Dec 22 17:58:37 why do I suddenly feel that aligoodidea and govprog are the same person on TMO? Dec 22 17:59:20 they both tend to talk nonsense, post at similar timezones and usually thank each other for their nonsense Dec 22 17:59:33 .... I guess I just described a random TMO user. Dec 22 18:13:58 javispedro: nah. my favourite troll was PradaBrada, thank god he took my advice and went away Dec 22 18:14:17 * Aranel_ :P I raaaged about Nokia, and now I'm thinking of buying BH-214. And when it fails too, I'm gonna kill a random care point employee. Dec 22 18:29:56 is microb webkit-based? Dec 22 18:30:30 dont think so DocScrutinizer51 Dec 22 18:30:38 but IMBW Dec 22 18:30:45 DocScrutinizer51: "The browser is Mozilla-based and uses the Gecko layout engine." ( http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/MicroB ) Dec 22 18:31:13 thanks Dec 22 18:31:20 DocScrutinizer51, gecko Dec 22 18:31:25 nvm :P Dec 22 18:32:27 ok. I'm right, my friend is wrong. thanks @ all :-) Dec 22 18:42:18 Wow, the DocScrutinizer clones are up to 51 now? :) kidding Dec 22 18:45:58 kwtm, you think thats bad? Mohammad01 is seriously pissed! Dec 22 18:53:14 assuming that Mohammad01 hasn't actually been imbibing beverages of the alcoholic persuasion, /me despairs at seeing lcuk sucked into the USA-centric way of being pissed; call yourself a Northerner! ;) Dec 22 18:54:02 * lcuk hands in his northerner card Dec 22 18:54:44 noooo! Dec 22 18:55:01 and I'm a Southern Jessie and I don't want you to hand your card in! Dec 22 18:55:38 who's Mohammad01? :P Dec 22 18:55:46 lardman: Well, if I were pissed, I'd be pissed, too! :P Dec 22 18:56:08 :) Dec 22 18:59:33 speaking of pissed Dec 22 18:59:38 time to head for #meego-bar Dec 22 19:00:53 lardman, is the camera on n900 good enough to do simple spectrometry Dec 22 19:01:10 to hold it up to a pint and have it tell you what it is Dec 22 19:01:15 and alcohol content etc Dec 22 19:04:35 lcuk: unlikely, I was under the impression that requires ultraviolet bands? Dec 22 19:05:02 alterego, IDK Dec 22 19:05:06 just for fun rly :) Dec 22 19:05:07 :) Dec 22 19:05:20 I think that smell sensor is more accurate anyway ;) Dec 22 19:05:29 That Nokia research are working on in Cambridge :D Dec 22 19:05:38 wheres link? Dec 22 19:05:58 when we get fuel cells it will be better anyway Dec 22 19:06:04 can just pour beer in Dec 22 19:06:09 Think this is it: http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/09/28/beyond-morph-a-vist-to-nokia-research-centre-cambridge/ Dec 22 19:06:13 and it will extract electricity and hiccup at you Dec 22 19:06:19 Hahah Dec 22 19:08:59 There are funny scams on ebay Dec 22 19:09:09 People selling reverse fuel cells to hook up to your car Dec 22 19:11:53 ShadowJK: Appropriate for christmas too! Dec 22 19:11:57 HOHO Dec 22 19:12:31 groan Dec 22 19:13:00 i think it's cool how lcuk anticipated how everyone wants to use tablets in 2010 with 'liqbase' Dec 22 19:13:40 hooray for lcuk! Dec 22 19:13:47 let's bring bacon! Dec 22 19:14:01 "small screen? just pan a larger view-space" Dec 22 19:14:24 that deserves some recognition Dec 22 19:16:42 [2010-12-22 19:40:23] Wow, the DocScrutinizer clones are up to 51 now? :) kidding Dec 22 19:16:43 [2010-12-22 19:44:03] kwtm, you think thats bad? Mohammad01 is seriously pissed! Dec 22 19:16:49 well - no Dec 22 19:16:52 errrrr WUT? Dec 22 19:16:59 I was using my 486/75 laptop like that Dec 22 19:18:17 DocScrutinizer, if you understand that, do ping me, I'm kinda lost too :P Dec 22 19:18:33 hmm... base 17? Dec 22 19:20:26 Cool, managed to trick qt creator into debugging my app : Dec 22 19:20:27 :) Dec 22 19:21:38 Hrm, okay, almost managed to trick qt creator into debugging my app ... Dec 22 19:27:59 moin Dec 22 19:42:50 http://otvaga2004.narod.ru/xlopotov_8/2010_14/otvaga_szhatie_1_002.jpg Dec 22 19:43:09 [yes, that is exactly what you think it is] Dec 22 19:44:11 RST38h: cool, I must come round to your place for a drive Dec 22 19:49:20 lardman: not exactly here, but close enough (Ivanovo) Dec 22 19:51:09 :) Dec 22 19:52:59 Jaffa, ping Dec 22 19:53:19 eh. Dec 22 19:53:27 it is _hard_ to write on a touchscreen Dec 22 19:53:29 30kg ruby crystal, separate powerplant driving the pump Dec 22 19:53:48 on a tablet, no, on an N900, maybe Dec 22 19:53:54 lcuk, knows more :P Dec 22 19:54:11 it is the hard plastic to blame mostly Dec 22 19:54:23 n810 is easier to write on Dec 22 19:54:28 MohammadAG, Dec 22 19:54:34 its more difficult to write on a tablet Dec 22 19:54:46 well, a MT finger one Dec 22 19:54:51 lcuk, not on my old one, it had a digitizer :) Dec 22 19:54:54 the wacom ones Dec 22 19:54:55 yeah Dec 22 19:54:58 :) Dec 22 19:55:17 they have a stylus :) Dec 22 19:55:36 capacitive -- argh!! Dec 22 19:55:37 but using it in day/day is harsh Dec 22 19:56:02 javispedro, its not so bad http://liqbase.net/20101123_003.jpg Dec 22 19:56:18 javispedro, those aren't capacitive :) Dec 22 19:56:30 wacom? I know Dec 22 19:56:51 oh, the new ones Dec 22 19:57:19 what happens to the new ones? did they switch to capacitive too? :( Dec 22 19:57:55 the one lcuk has is capacitive I think Dec 22 19:58:16 I mean, last time I checked a tablet it was glass Dec 22 19:59:52 I've seen active + capacitive tablets Dec 22 19:59:56 sound like a joke to me Dec 22 20:00:07 they work with the bundled stylus, with a finger Dec 22 20:00:10 but nothing else Dec 22 20:03:52 * GAN900 continues writing his conference survey response. Dec 22 20:05:05 GAN900, whats the link for that Dec 22 20:05:12 and is this the official meego conference survey Dec 22 20:05:22 because theres been a few flying around? Dec 22 20:06:15 "too many chunks flying around, couldn't get anything use.' :) Dec 22 20:06:45 lcuk, I think it is, saw something along the lines of it from the mailing list Dec 22 20:06:56 http://conference2010.meego.com/post-conference-survey Dec 22 20:09:26 * DocScrutinizer feels like wetware CPU is going down, as it's impossible to make any sense of the last ~50+ posts Dec 22 20:11:33 which thread? Dec 22 20:12:51 this chan? Dec 22 20:13:35 ~reset Dec 22 20:13:35 extra, extra, read all about it, reset is not influencing the message about the kernel on hyper terminal Dec 22 20:17:49 sounds about right and really more reasonable than some of the other statements Dec 22 20:29:01 kinda cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 :D Dec 22 20:32:40 Well, I can't be bothered to try and work out how to get Qt Creator to start a decent remote debugging session. Dec 22 20:32:48 So I'm just going to have to run it manually on the device. Dec 22 20:32:59 DocScrutinizer, did you catch the bit about the Lorax in the haberdasher's annex scheming with Robin Williams and the Grinch? Dec 22 20:33:30 MohammadAG: is that a KDE thing? Dec 22 20:34:24 alterego, scroll to the bottom Dec 22 20:34:37 Yeah, looks like it. Dec 22 20:34:37 Part of the KDE family Dec 22 20:34:46 I guess I'm going to have to up-the-game O_O Dec 22 20:34:51 There can be only one! Dec 22 20:35:26 * MohammadAG takes a gun and points at alterego Dec 22 20:36:03 It's alright, I don't care. Dec 22 20:36:18 Once v1 is out of the way, I've got something very special for my v2 road map ;) Dec 22 20:36:33 * MohammadAG lowers gun, need to find someone who gets scared easily Dec 22 20:37:07 Kind of strange how my plans for v2 were actually my initial major idea in the beginning. Dec 22 20:37:45 But you'll see what I mean when I start working on it :) Dec 22 20:38:16 GAN900: should I use a junctionfet for that discrete instrumental opamp I plan to design for ANOMEEL phase 2? Dec 22 20:39:37 DocScrutinizer, did you see the KDE app on the N900? Dec 22 20:39:46 no Dec 22 20:39:53 what KDE app? Dec 22 20:40:29 DocScrutinizer, Venemo kinda cool http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 :D Dec 22 20:41:01 ooh Marble Dec 22 20:41:24 got Marble on my taskbar on PC Dec 22 20:41:38 seems good stuff Dec 22 20:41:52 I wonder if the desktop version will work with Columbus ;) Dec 22 20:43:12 fckng awesome Dec 22 20:44:07 alterego, does this stuff make Columbus obsolete? Dec 22 20:44:14 Nope Dec 22 20:44:36 They barely overlap in functionality to be honest. Dec 22 20:44:40 yup Dec 22 20:44:50 About the only thing they do that's similar is tell you lat an lon :) Dec 22 20:44:54 this stuff doesn't have a compass, nor the utilities yours provide Dec 22 20:45:16 Exactly, mine is meant as a toolkit for the enthusiast. Dec 22 20:45:21 http://www.engadget.com/2010/12/22/sony-buys-back-toshibas-cell-plant-for-50-billion-yen-makes-a/ Dec 22 20:45:33 And have profiles for sailing and flight. Dec 22 20:45:33 Cell continues delivering lulz Dec 22 20:45:45 Hahah Dec 22 20:48:40 RST38h, yes, but it's cool! :P Dec 22 20:48:55 I still miss PPC. Dec 22 20:51:46 * alterego sighs Dec 22 20:52:09 qt mobility location is being a pain in the ass again -_- Dec 22 20:52:55 It's such a little b*tch Dec 22 20:53:46 write out how and why its not as you expect Dec 22 20:53:51 and file a speculative bug about it Dec 22 20:54:02 start a discussion on the mobility ml Dec 22 20:54:04 or in their irc Dec 22 20:54:06 :) Dec 22 20:54:16 I've been through it before, as have others. Dec 22 20:54:25 Sometimes it just doesn't work. Dec 22 20:54:35 what doesnt? Dec 22 20:54:45 It doesn't startup liblocation Dec 22 20:54:51 So you never get any data. Dec 22 20:55:09 Or something like that. Dec 22 20:55:31 It's, well, delicate. Dec 22 20:55:43 I should probably debug it though tbh. Dec 22 20:55:59 Because, when it happens, it never goes away. Dec 22 20:56:00 :) Dec 22 20:57:04 Last time I "fixed" it, by changing the order I called startUpdates() on the QGeoPositionInfoSource and the QGeoSatelliteInfoSource Dec 22 20:57:47 Venemo: MohammadAG: thanks :-D Dec 22 20:58:29 So whatever it is, it's something probably unobvious, doesn't create an error and has something to do with linking. Dec 22 20:58:38 Which doesn't make any sense to me :/ Dec 22 20:59:00 If only I had a working debugging environment O_O Dec 22 20:59:06 (when it rains it pours) Dec 22 20:59:31 DocScrutinizer: for what? Dec 22 20:59:45 Reporter to Bernanke: "What's the best thing about your job?" Bernanke thinks a moment... "I don't have to go through airline security anymore." Dec 22 20:59:52 New Fennec beta is out Dec 22 21:00:07 pupnik: Bastard =) Dec 22 21:00:10 Venemo: probably an oopsie. Actually thanks to MohammadAG about marble pointer Dec 22 21:00:33 DocScrutinizer: k Dec 22 21:02:37 * alterego screams "Mobility, what do you want from me?!?!" Dec 22 21:03:09 alterego: it works for me. (I haven't really used the GPS stuff from it yet though) Dec 22 21:03:20 Venemo: well, obviously it's worked for me too ;) Dec 22 21:03:37 The point is, several times now, it has stopped working, for now reason. Dec 22 21:03:39 pupnik, shoot them out of cannons. Dec 22 21:03:43 Into the sun. Dec 22 21:03:43 s/now/no/ Dec 22 21:03:44 alterego meant: The point is, several times no, it has stopped working, for now reason. Dec 22 21:03:45 alterego: I get it Dec 22 21:03:59 Damnit, wrong "now" :D Dec 22 21:04:24 np Dec 22 21:04:35 GAN: What if Bernanke does not reach the proper speed and falls back to Earth? Imagine the cost of the cleanup! Dec 22 21:06:52 FSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHITFSCKNGSHIT ""Marble; Details; Problems: conflict with libqt4-opengl; libqt4-xmlpatterns; libqt4-webkit; libqt4-maemo5... ..."" Dec 22 21:07:06 Hahah Dec 22 21:07:11 you what? Dec 22 21:07:30 Is it using experimental? Dec 22 21:07:41 Though, that shouldn't conflict .. Dec 22 21:08:06 DocScrutinizer: srsly, what did you expect? Dec 22 21:08:22 :-S nothing really differnet Dec 22 21:08:34 DocScrutinizer: 1) 'apt-get remove mp-fremantle-generic-pr' Dec 22 21:08:36 RST38h, bigger cannons! Dec 22 21:08:38 DocScrutinizer: 2) add SDK repo Dec 22 21:08:47 DocScrutinizer: 3) 'apt-get install libqt-4-core' Dec 22 21:08:54 DocScrutinizer: 4) profit! Dec 22 21:09:15 Hah Dec 22 21:09:21 DocScrutinizer: maybe apt-get install libqtm-blahblah too Dec 22 21:10:01 gdb is no fun without an IDEA Dec 22 21:10:03 ~IDE .. Dec 22 21:11:14 DocScrutinizer: of course, substitute the generic-pr with the one you have, plus, don't go too crazy with the SDK repo, may brick your device Dec 22 21:11:38 no idea about SDK repo Dec 22 21:11:57 sloooooow Dec 22 21:12:00 DocScrutinizer: http://repository.maemo.org/#sdk_repositories Dec 22 21:12:23 DocScrutinizer: deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free Dec 22 21:13:07 Dear Cthulhu, please tell Fennec developers that they are megalomaniacs Dec 22 21:13:34 RST38h: why is that? Dec 22 21:13:48 Venemo: install Fennec 4b3 and see Dec 22 21:13:55 k Dec 22 21:14:08 see it chow on swap for minutes that is Dec 22 21:15:20 Heh Dec 22 21:17:14 DocScrutinizer: any success? Dec 22 21:17:34 RST38h: I tried the previous beta yesterday, it wasn't that bad. will try the new one now Dec 22 21:17:50 mtakes ages to even add that catalog Dec 22 21:18:35 DocScrutinizer: maybe do it from the terminal then, HAM is slow, plus you can't upgrade libraries from HAM Dec 22 21:19:06 too late Dec 22 21:19:33 "checking updates" - might take an hour Dec 22 21:19:47 killall hildon-application manager Dec 22 21:19:50 killall apt-worker Dec 22 21:19:56 DocScrutinizer: btw, with this method, I was able to update to Qt 4.6 while I was on PR 1.1 Dec 22 21:20:20 Venemo, just killall apt-worker Dec 22 21:22:33 night Dec 22 21:22:39 pfff for now pulseaudio is taking 17% cpu. and I guess it's trying to dl the catalog Dec 22 21:23:43 Hi Dec 22 21:23:47 30% user, 15% system Dec 22 21:25:34 plus it seems my ZNC box gone down or sth Dec 22 21:25:42 * alterego sighs Dec 22 21:26:08 DocScrutinizer: this was what I did put together in the 1.1 times: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=52442 Dec 22 21:32:20 friggin "couldn't contact DNS server" Dec 22 21:32:35 DocScrutinizer: seems that this is not your lucky day :( Dec 22 21:32:43 not really Dec 22 21:33:16 hm, I installed Marble Dec 22 21:33:22 tore down WLAN and reconnected, now it's working Dec 22 21:33:28 how come that half of its ui is in Hungarian? Dec 22 21:34:01 It senses Hungarians! Dec 22 21:34:33 Furthermore, it manages to suck all memory and get permanently stuck swapping, worse than Fennec Dec 22 21:35:03 well it could do with hw acceleration, that's for sure Dec 22 21:35:16 :nod: apt-worker 91% Dec 22 21:35:25 hw acceleration has nothign to do with it Dec 22 21:35:26 kill it! Dec 22 21:35:30 So it's not that great? :) Dec 22 21:35:42 Is my app still in the runnings for coolest geolocation app?!?! :D Dec 22 21:35:58 alterego: it would be if its behaviour would resemble anything that is related to the word "performance" Dec 22 21:36:00 E: Couldn't find package libqt-4-core Dec 22 21:36:04 Marble? Well, it might be great, but as it is completely unresponsive most of the time, there is no way to find out Dec 22 21:36:12 Doc: Upgrade to PR1.3 already, Dec 22 21:36:17 apt-get update Dec 22 21:36:26 Heh Dec 22 21:36:38 DocScrutinizer: because it is 'libqt4-core' and NOT 'libqt-4-core' Dec 22 21:37:06 gathered as much now: libqt4-core - Qt 4 core module Dec 22 21:37:16 Heh Dec 22 21:37:46 DocScrutinizer: don't forget apt-get update after you added the repo Dec 22 21:37:55 I'm about ready to give up. Dec 22 21:38:41 alterego: :( Dec 22 21:39:00 RST38h: trying new fennec now Dec 22 21:39:29 Seriously, I mean, what the actual f :( Dec 22 21:39:37 libqt4-phonon EEEEEEEEEK! Dec 22 21:40:04 Hahah Dec 22 21:40:13 taking bets about if I need to flash now Dec 22 21:40:34 what is phohon? Dec 22 21:40:54 some KDE media BS Dec 22 21:40:57 it's the Nth attempt to make Linux sound work. Dec 22 21:41:02 None of them succeeded. Dec 22 21:41:07 lol Dec 22 21:41:08 So they keep trying instead of fixing ONE. Dec 22 21:41:08 oh Dec 22 21:41:09 not about sound actually Dec 22 21:41:15 media Dec 22 21:41:23 it's one of those new fangled KDE-made abstraction layers that don't abstract anything Dec 22 21:41:29 that reminds me of... http://matt.bottrell.com.au/uploads/Pics/linuxaudio.png Dec 22 21:41:33 yep Dec 22 21:41:57 chx, yeap :( Dec 22 21:42:00 like their supposed "hal abstraction layer" that had to be severily modified when hal disappeared Dec 22 21:42:05 phonon is ARTS' evil child Dec 22 21:42:18 arts was more about audio Dec 22 21:42:22 and arts was not too innocent either Dec 22 21:42:28 phonon is a gstreamer abstraction layer Dec 22 21:43:03 nox-: LOOL Dec 22 21:43:17 funnily, nokia adopted it (phonon) but I don't know what they plan to do with it now Dec 22 21:43:26 other than silently let it rot while it desyncs with the kde phonon Dec 22 21:43:35 I think it's all getting merged into "Qt Multimedia" Dec 22 21:43:37 also =) Dec 22 21:43:45 They're removing crap and trying to make something a bit better. Dec 22 21:44:02 But tbh, Qt Multimedia isn't particularly great at the moment ::/ Dec 22 21:44:03 N+1th attemp? Dec 22 21:44:21 well, I was one of those guys who applauded their decision not to reinvent the wheel and instead use KDE's reinvention of the wheel Dec 22 21:44:23 * nox- <3 freebsd oss `rewrite' with in-kernel mixing and per-app volume control... (few freebsd users ever need any `sound daemons' :) Dec 22 21:44:27 so you can guess how I feel now. Dec 22 21:44:34 Heh Dec 22 21:45:21 RST38h: hey, new Fennec beta doesn't seem bad at all Dec 22 21:45:49 phonon is as braindead as it gets right now, judging from my KDE4 on PC Dec 22 21:45:58 what do you expect Dec 22 21:46:04 the phonon kde4 uses is not the phonon qt uses. Dec 22 21:46:31 rofl Dec 22 21:46:32 talking about audio Dec 22 21:46:42 abstarction wanker noobs all over tha place Dec 22 21:46:42 my left channel suddently muted, buggy alsa. Dec 22 21:46:50 DocScrutinizer: KDE itself is as braindead as it gets, sometimes Dec 22 21:46:50 time to reboot. Dec 22 21:47:37 wow! at least no more problems at marble install Dec 22 21:48:11 k, it pulls in libqtm-sysinfo Dec 22 21:48:35 DocScrutinizer: if you installed libqtm-sensors too, you could use the regular version of Puzzle Master with accelerometer support Dec 22 21:48:36 so be it Dec 22 21:48:58 NFC what got installed Dec 22 21:49:18 libqt4-core was actually some 30 pkgs Dec 22 21:49:38 Okay, hopefully this will get around my crappy debugging problem .. Dec 22 21:49:43 WB javispedro Dec 22 21:50:03 DocScrutinizer: yeah, libqt4-core is what pulls in all the qt packages Dec 22 21:50:07 fast reboot Dec 22 21:50:15 indeed Dec 22 21:50:20 =) Dec 22 21:50:33 only 3 min Dec 22 21:50:34 DocScrutinizer: (well it doesn't actually, but since all other Qt packages depend on it, apt will resolve it by updating those too) Dec 22 21:50:43 since a recent kernel the soundblaster alsa driver 's been doing stupid things Dec 22 21:51:07 don't really know where to start to debug it as there have been no important changes to the driver at all, so the issue comes from "somewhere else" Dec 22 21:51:08 RST38h: however I can't find the "Add a device" option in my desktop Firefox's sync options... Dec 22 21:51:55 * SpeedEvil passes javispedro git bisect. Dec 22 21:52:33 random issue, so an unaided git bisect could take a lifetime... Dec 22 21:53:22 ah Dec 22 21:53:24 yeah. Dec 22 21:58:53 RST38h: hm, solved it by googling. now all my stuff is synced Dec 22 22:04:49 any idea how longer takes the device to reboot after being full flashed?? Dec 22 22:05:13 a bit longer than normal Dec 22 22:05:17 a minute or two/ Dec 22 22:06:26 I'm waiting after 20 minutes Dec 22 22:07:48 gazu: that's too much Dec 22 22:08:19 that what i thought Dec 22 22:09:56 I'm running this commands Dec 22 22:10:02 sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f Dec 22 22:10:07 and then Dec 22 22:10:32 sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f Dec 22 22:14:02 gazu: that's correct Dec 22 22:14:12 gazu: after it's complete, use the power button to turn it on Dec 22 22:14:37 any idea why is taking so long Dec 22 22:14:42 well, marble works - kinda. does routes, does even navigation guidance Dec 22 22:14:43 I did Dec 22 22:14:54 gazu, i think it is on the wiki Dec 22 22:15:05 gazu, check Dec 22 22:15:48 flash mine yesterday with the global .bin file Dec 22 22:16:58 gazu: your seconf flash process for *COMBINED* worked and returned some proper message saying it succeeded? Dec 22 22:17:31 yes Dec 22 22:18:10 but after going throw the welcome message takes forever Dec 22 22:18:42 welcome as in "select date, time, language"? Dec 22 22:18:50 yes Dec 22 22:19:00 then it actually boted properly Dec 22 22:19:10 dunno what's going on Dec 22 22:19:37 ok Dec 22 22:19:40 I'm steel waiting after more than 30 minutes Dec 22 22:19:55 screen lit? Dec 22 22:19:59 or black? Dec 22 22:20:26 black with the dots loading in the middle Dec 22 22:20:35 gazu, first boot after flashing Dec 22 22:20:38 hmm, so it's not suspended Dec 22 22:20:39 hmmmm Dec 22 22:20:42 does infact take longer Dec 22 22:20:48 not 30 min Dec 22 22:20:51 but are you sure about the 5minute thing? Dec 22 22:20:54 yeah Dec 22 22:21:43 gazu, what caused you to flash in the first place? Dec 22 22:22:46 was playing with some deb files and some programs stop working Dec 22 22:23:14 libc6 maybe Dec 22 22:23:19 O.o Dec 22 22:23:28 wouldn't it be cool to "press escape" and make the pumping dots vanish, in favour of a proper console. Like on any normal desktop linux Dec 22 22:23:40 This is never going to work again :( Dec 22 22:24:10 DocScrutinizer, i think framebuffer console is unstable on n900? Dec 22 22:24:14 * javispedro would prefer a plain serial port console Dec 22 22:24:23 isnt that under the battery? Dec 22 22:24:31 it actually is Dec 22 22:24:37 You can probably use usb serial console :) Dec 22 22:24:47 mh Dec 22 22:25:09 gazu: you have it hooked up to charger meanwhile? Dec 22 22:25:24 gazu, charge up battery and reflash again? Dec 22 22:25:37 no but is full charged Dec 22 22:26:16 I did this the 3rth time Dec 22 22:26:21 I'd like to know if it's charging anyway. I also would be interested if it locks screen with slide button Dec 22 22:27:43 charges and the locks is also working Dec 22 22:27:53 finally you should try to reboot it Dec 22 22:28:24 with the power button? Dec 22 22:28:35 yes, for a first shot Dec 22 22:28:57 doing it right now!! Dec 22 22:29:05 I mean 40 min, there's little hope it will ever finish Dec 22 22:30:41 buy now only the loading screen Dec 22 22:31:39 ok gazu Dec 22 22:32:06 i am pondering whether eMMC is correctly partitioned or if it is corrupt Dec 22 22:32:11 Hi I've downloaded a flv file from youtube using the youtube-dl program. I'm unable to play this using Media player. I get an invalid format error. Is there anyway to make this work? Dec 22 22:32:20 lcuk: same idea here Dec 22 22:32:28 I believe that even without firstboot you can plug into usb and access the fat partition? Dec 22 22:32:35 that could give you a clue Dec 22 22:32:45 ie, if it connects but offers a corrupt fs then something is up Dec 22 22:32:51 newbie007, probably more than 800x480 in res size Dec 22 22:32:58 use -f 18 when downloading Dec 22 22:33:00 alas MassStorage doesn't export /home partition Dec 22 22:33:03 oh Dec 22 22:33:16 maemo doesn't export /home Dec 22 22:33:16 DocScrutinizer, but it does MyDocs Dec 22 22:33:18 meego rescue does Dec 22 22:33:19 yes Dec 22 22:33:23 and thats a reasonable initial indicator Dec 22 22:33:29 and a chance to offload some data Dec 22 22:33:32 (it does with the initrd image!) Dec 22 22:33:33 pondering to suggest rescue initrd Dec 22 22:33:43 javispedro, indeed :) Dec 22 22:33:52 just charge the battery fully(!!!) Dec 22 22:33:53 lcuk: there's no data to offload Dec 22 22:33:55 it lacks bme Dec 22 22:33:57 DocScrutinizer, ? Dec 22 22:34:04 flashed VANILLA Dec 22 22:34:06 on my MyDocs theres ~10gb of photos Dec 22 22:34:09 and WILL shutdown without warning Dec 22 22:34:16 = partition table damage Dec 22 22:34:42 mine shutdown right when it moved on to the next step Dec 22 22:34:47 so I was safe :D Dec 22 22:35:09 never say safe Dec 22 22:35:18 with a mmc controller that is Dec 22 22:35:28 it could do the wrong thing on powerloss Dec 22 22:35:52 lcuk: [2010-12-22 23:08:06] sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f Dec 22 22:35:54 s/safe/lucky/ Dec 22 22:35:55 MohammadAG meant: so I was lucky :D Dec 22 22:36:09 javispedro, ;) Dec 22 22:36:16 s/lucky/special/ Dec 22 22:36:27 DocScrutinizer, ahh ok Dec 22 22:36:39 * MohammadAG grumbles Dec 22 22:36:44 :P Dec 22 22:36:46 lcuk: that's what makes me frown Dec 22 22:37:32 if eMMC is corrupted, then something is severely fishy Dec 22 22:38:02 thanks lcuk, but I did that already Dec 22 22:38:04 gazu: you should check the MD5 of your img files Dec 22 22:38:17 ok Dec 22 22:38:31 DocScrutinizer, afaik if it was wrong, it wouldn't flash Dec 22 22:38:36 though I might be wrong Dec 22 22:38:42 yeah, but you never know Dec 22 22:38:47 start at root Dec 22 22:38:58 indeed, remember when I flashed a dd'd image? :P Dec 22 22:39:04 hehe Dec 22 22:39:08 and I lost a beer to you Dec 22 22:39:17 still waiting for it Dec 22 22:39:19 :-D Dec 22 22:39:43 #meego-bar, lcuk will arrange everything Dec 22 22:39:51 :-D Dec 22 22:40:02 DocScrutinizer: don't go there! he will give you guinness!! Dec 22 22:40:12 with bacon? Dec 22 22:40:18 and pigs in blankets nibbles Dec 22 22:40:56 excuse my ignorance Dec 22 22:41:00 MohammadAG: flashed dd image? Dec 22 22:41:05 MohammadAG: moar details Dec 22 22:41:06 what's guinness Dec 22 22:41:15 MohammadAG: dark beer Dec 22 22:41:23 jacekowski, it failed halfway through Dec 22 22:41:38 very special brew of beer Dec 22 22:41:46 jacekowski, I just dd'd an image of /dev/mtd5 somewhere Dec 22 22:41:46 MohammadAG: the resolution is 490x360 Dec 22 22:41:59 MohammadAG: irish, only for people that like that kind of beer Dec 22 22:42:03 (with fedora of course) Dec 22 22:42:03 then wrote it with flasher Dec 22 22:42:03 it failed Dec 22 22:42:05 tastes little bit like it was burnt Dec 22 22:42:27 its only nice when its cold o_O Dec 22 22:42:43 that's from the peat they use to cook it Dec 22 22:42:47 is here pc linux users? Dec 22 22:43:04 here is #maemo Dec 22 22:43:16 No, we use FreeDOS :P Dec 22 22:43:18 DocScrutinizer, at the Meego conf we got an entire night of history and drinking Dec 22 22:43:25 the Storehouse tour was awesome Dec 22 22:43:32 newbie007, no idea, install decoders-support Dec 22 22:43:47 that would have been boring to me lcuk :P Dec 22 22:43:58 * MohammadAG doesn't drink Dec 22 22:44:00 lcuk: i don't like it Dec 22 22:44:05 Well anybody know is there any way to detect if fan is stopped Dec 22 22:44:14 lm-sensors wont show fan speed Dec 22 22:44:25 physically? Dec 22 22:44:25 /proc/acpi/fan is empty Dec 22 22:44:27 hah! Dec 22 22:44:28 ArGGu^^: here is #maemo Dec 22 22:44:31 MohammadAG, it was awe inspiring actually Dec 22 22:44:32 other than that, sorry, idk :P Dec 22 22:44:46 lcuk, history of maemo right? Dec 22 22:44:47 ArGGu^^: maemo devices quite usually have no fan Dec 22 22:44:47 MohammadAG: i feel sorry for you Dec 22 22:44:54 MohammadAG: you should start drinking Dec 22 22:45:08 ArGGu^^: open case, put finger in fan? Dec 22 22:45:11 "And there it was, PR1.2!!! Then came chuck norris and it was delayed by a thread" Dec 22 22:45:38 lcuk, you found that thread interesting right? Dec 22 22:45:42 DocScrutinizer I just asked beacuse I think someone here might know Dec 22 22:45:44 jacekowski, meh, don't smoke either Dec 22 22:45:50 what is pr1.2, how can I tell if I have it? Dec 22 22:46:00 MohammadAG, sure I did Dec 22 22:46:03 hold on a mo Dec 22 22:46:08 People who are using maemo might also use linux on pc Dec 22 22:46:11 idk, I just feel that both things are retarded, except on occasions Dec 22 22:46:12 MohammadAG: smoking is bad Dec 22 22:46:16 MohammadAG: drinking isn't Dec 22 22:46:23 everything is bad. Dec 22 22:46:25 (getting addicted to smoking/being an alcoholic) Dec 22 22:46:29 drinking is bad. not drinking is bad. Dec 22 22:46:41 let's have some sex Dec 22 22:46:47 that's never bad Dec 22 22:46:50 programming is good Dec 22 22:46:54 someone kick him Dec 22 22:47:03 you can earn that without drinking jacekowski :P Dec 22 22:47:22 newbie007: leave Dec 22 22:47:24 seriously, find a gf/wife :P Dec 22 22:47:26 jacekowski: that's in fact the root of all evil Dec 22 22:47:33 jacekowski: sex is never bad, until you wake up the next morning and you don't know where you are. Dec 22 22:47:37 Or why your ass hurts. Dec 22 22:47:39 * alterego chuckles Dec 22 22:47:53 alterego: never happened to me Dec 22 22:47:53 LMFAO Dec 22 22:48:03 i mean part of it happened Dec 22 22:48:03 MohammadAG, NSFW HUGE LARGE IMAGES STRESSTEST http://liqbase.net/thread.42285.pg001.to.689.imagelist_proc.html Dec 22 22:48:05 liek where am i Dec 22 22:48:06 Heh Dec 22 22:48:11 like* Dec 22 22:48:21 complete list of all pictures that existed in that thread Dec 22 22:48:35 lcuk, wow, lol Dec 22 22:48:41 and yes, there are some boob shots Dec 22 22:48:52 people REALLY wanted pr1.2 :) Dec 22 22:48:54 lcuk, shall I start the PR1.4 thread? Dec 22 22:49:06 it'll go off topic in the second reply anyways Dec 22 22:49:10 bah, 1.7 Dec 22 22:49:12 sex is good Dec 22 22:49:12 i would rather have a meego one and bring over all the apps :) Dec 22 22:49:21 but to much is bad to Dec 22 22:49:31 DocScrutinizer, no Dec 22 22:49:34 cos of cancer when you get older Dec 22 22:49:35 1.3.3.7 Dec 22 22:49:38 Pradeep, for that there is always lubrication Dec 22 22:49:41 YEAH Dec 22 22:49:46 actually, I should release the SSU like that Dec 22 22:49:51 yes Dec 22 22:49:57 PR1.3.3.7 Dec 22 22:50:01 :) thats an excellent hacker version Dec 22 22:50:13 I'm all for that Dec 22 22:50:28 as somking goes with lung cancer like sex goes with postrate cancer Dec 22 22:50:43 lcuk, or swappolube! Dec 22 22:50:56 or fapman? Dec 22 22:51:11 (just in a pinch) Dec 22 22:52:00 swappolube Dec 22 22:52:02 fapman Dec 22 22:52:06 alterego, wats up how was work today Dec 22 22:52:07 liqballs (cc lcuk) Dec 22 22:52:18 Heh Dec 22 22:52:24 hehehe Dec 22 22:52:38 MohammadAG, Dec 22 22:52:43 everyone at my work place talking about the xmas Dec 22 22:52:54 on a scroll bar, what sthe technical name for the thing you grab to move the list? Dec 22 22:53:07 formatted all the system in office into linux mint Dec 22 22:53:14 slider? Dec 22 22:53:25 cos windows virus was slowing the network down Dec 22 22:53:30 * alterego contemplates giving up and dropping Qt Mobility geoloc api for liblocation directly. Dec 22 22:53:35 lcuk, I always see it as scrollbar Dec 22 22:53:39 lcuk: slider handle? Dec 22 22:53:41 hence, QScrollBar Dec 22 22:54:27 lcuk: microsoft usually calls it the scroll box Dec 22 22:54:28 * MohammadAG wonders if this is a real question Dec 22 22:54:41 *cough* Dec 22 22:54:51 *puke* Dec 22 22:55:22 lcuk: slider Dec 22 22:55:23 DocScrutinizer, how do you insult linux? Dec 22 22:55:29 like this http://i55.tinypic.com/27ycyf9.jpg Dec 22 22:56:22 :shudder: Dec 22 22:57:18 going for one more flash Dec 22 22:57:24 * DocScrutinizer runs for his budesonid Dec 22 22:57:25 DocScrutinizer: MohammadAG: cough and puke all you want, but they usually *employ* actual documentation writers with enough salary to lookup exactly this kind of trivia Dec 22 22:57:50 it's still a slider handle Dec 22 22:58:07 anyway is it possible to have blackberry pin on n900 Dec 22 22:58:10 I couldn't figuer for the life of me what's a scrollbox Dec 22 22:58:37 fwiw, Qt calls it a scrollbox too Dec 22 22:58:47 which is a widget with a scrollbar Dec 22 22:58:54 actually I thought a scrollbox is something like the qt date/time settings abomination Dec 22 22:59:47 a scrollbox yeah, a widget with text and a scrollbar. Never ever the handle of the scrollbar slider Dec 22 23:00:23 whatever Dec 22 23:00:27 :) Dec 22 23:00:27 * DocScrutinizer gasps Dec 22 23:02:29 re Dec 22 23:02:56 anyway, if it were a box, there at least *could* be something inside it, no? Dec 22 23:03:08 i'm off to bed Dec 22 23:03:16 MohammadAG: n8 Dec 22 23:03:17 cya MohammadAG Dec 22 23:03:17 DocScrutinizer, widgets, supposedly Dec 22 23:03:23 night :) Dec 22 23:04:10 Hello for all Dec 22 23:05:07 should i just send back to nokia?? Dec 22 23:05:27 gazu: no luck? Dec 22 23:05:44 noop Dec 22 23:05:53 :-/ Dec 22 23:06:04 weird Dec 22 23:06:09 but just 5 minutes after the last try Dec 22 23:06:20 well, we seen broken eMMC before Dec 22 23:06:34 what then? Dec 22 23:06:39 on a Nokia center they might be able to reflash it on site Dec 22 23:07:11 anyone know how good the maemo development? Maemo 6 will be launched? Dec 22 23:07:11 I think the worst thing, Nokia has "abandoned"the platform! Dec 22 23:07:17 I'd try with meego recue initrd Dec 22 23:08:22 I need someone who's much better at debugging than me to fix this I think :( Dec 22 23:08:50 the platform and OS is perfect. Nokia hasn't abandoned it, they just finished mission Dec 22 23:09:01 Heh Dec 22 23:09:10 lol DocScrutinizer Dec 22 23:09:20 alterego: ? Dec 22 23:09:34 javispedro: just one question, are you doing anything with preenv or something? Dec 22 23:09:36 viniciuspt: Maemo 6 will use the MeeGo handset ux afaik, plus some closed source crap Dec 22 23:10:07 javispedro: ability to rotate accelerometer would be nice Dec 22 23:10:14 jacekowski: I did a bit of refactoring, and it seems everytime I do, qt mobility geo location stops working for no apparent reason. Dec 22 23:10:27 jacekowski: trivial, noted. Dec 22 23:10:54 how to I know if the emmc is broken? Dec 22 23:10:57 probably will do nothing until past christmas though :) Dec 22 23:11:26 javispedro: is it on github or somewhere? Dec 22 23:11:30 gazu: boot into meego rescue initrd, then mount eMMc oartitions and fsck Dec 22 23:12:08 jacekowski: http://gitorious.org/preenv/preenv/blobs/master/libsdlpre/joystick.c#line121 Dec 22 23:12:30 thanks I'm going to try Dec 22 23:13:00 what license is it on? Dec 22 23:13:10 gazu: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Dec 22 23:14:10 jacekowski: lgpl2 Dec 22 23:14:13 (that lib) Dec 22 23:17:44 How can I find out if a binary executable calls a specific function? Dec 22 23:17:55 Does anyone know whether it is true that the development of June maemo is frozen? Dec 22 23:18:07 alterego: gdb and breakpoint? :) Dec 22 23:18:19 javispedro: I'm not good enough to do that. Dec 22 23:18:30 b Dec 22 23:18:33 I'm using GDB now, but the problem is, this code is in a shared lib I link against. Dec 22 23:18:59 debug the executable, it will usually do the right thing Dec 22 23:19:18 Hrm, it's not showing the class I'm looking for though :/ Dec 22 23:19:31 it won't until executable loads the library Dec 22 23:19:35 ah, this is C++? Dec 22 23:19:38 Yes Dec 22 23:19:41 uuu Dec 22 23:19:44 huasssssss (google translate) .... Dec 22 23:19:44 name mangling ftw Dec 22 23:19:48 consider name mangling -- Dec 22 23:19:52 heh Dec 22 23:19:55 All the others seem fine :P Dec 22 23:20:01 Does anyone know whether it is true that the development of maemo 6 is frozen? Dec 22 23:20:17 viniciuspt: I wouldn't want to guess. Dec 22 23:20:57 javispedro: if I give you my binary and my two libs, do you think you could poke at it? Dec 22 23:21:08 guess so. arm? Dec 22 23:21:11 Yeah Dec 22 23:21:28 Not sure how to test in scratchbox because of lack of location stuff in scratchbox. Dec 22 23:22:26 also, gdb on sb is very probably broken Dec 22 23:22:38 Heh Dec 22 23:25:09 javispedro: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/columbus-broken.tar.gz Dec 22 23:25:25 Anyhelp would be appreciated. Dec 22 23:25:42 Basically, I can't figure out why location services aren't being started. Dec 22 23:25:53 heh Dec 22 23:26:23 As far as that control logic is concerned, nothing had changed. Dec 22 23:26:39 All I've done is refactor out a load of code into "libcolumbus" Dec 22 23:27:01 And made the "columbus" executable basically only handle UI stuff. Dec 22 23:28:04 Though, this has happened to me before, in a previous version and I managed to magically fix it by changing the order in which I create satellite info and position info source qt objects :/ Dec 22 23:28:32 Whatever is going on, it's not simple. There's something really fsck'd :/ Dec 22 23:30:42 Basically, I'm looking for the little satellite dish to appear in the status area ;) Dec 22 23:34:16 worked here Dec 22 23:34:21 is it random, or ? Dec 22 23:34:21 What? Dec 22 23:34:27 IT worked?! Dec 22 23:34:51 yeah, dish icon and some sats enumerated on signal bars Dec 22 23:35:14 hum Dec 22 23:35:16 * javispedro ponders Dec 22 23:35:23 I noticed that you gave me librxsupport.so Dec 22 23:35:31 but the executable DEPENDS on librxsupport.so.1 Dec 22 23:35:33 Yeah, has some maemo5 widgets I made. Dec 22 23:35:43 maybe you're overwriting librxsupport.so instead of .so.1 Dec 22 23:35:43 ? Dec 22 23:35:45 Sorry, symlinks are missing. Dec 22 23:36:31 crap, can't sleep again Dec 22 23:36:33 neah, .so, .so.1 and .so.1.0 are symlinks to .so.1.0.0 on my machine. Dec 22 23:36:45 just checking :P Dec 22 23:36:58 (same for libcolumbus itself) Dec 22 23:37:01 That goes for libcolumbus too. Dec 22 23:37:05 wtf, if I try renaming songs like 03 - Weißes Fleisch.mp3 it renames it automatically to 03 - Weißes Fleisch.mp3 Dec 22 23:37:43 There must be some kind of state my N900 is in that yours isn't in, which is causing this. Dec 22 23:37:59 reboot =) Dec 22 23:38:00 i wonder why the hell it's done in vfat in the first place >.< Dec 22 23:38:05 What's "location-proxy" ? Dec 22 23:38:11 /usr/bin/location-proxy Dec 22 23:38:11 a required daemon Dec 22 23:38:15 Okay Dec 22 23:38:21 comawhite, windows Dec 22 23:38:27 blah Dec 22 23:38:33 effin windows Dec 22 23:38:56 * alterego thinks for a bit. Dec 22 23:39:05 the same thing just the loading dots Dec 22 23:39:11 Okay, I've got an idea, if restarting my N900 doesn't work, I think I know what's up Dec 22 23:40:11 is driving me crazy the phone is almost new Dec 22 23:40:12 alterego, it's a conspiracy to make you lose your uptime Dec 22 23:40:35 I've wasted almost an entire fscking day on this Dec 22 23:41:07 either way, where did you want to put the breakpoint? Dec 22 23:41:08 Where's that gps-cache-reset program? Dec 22 23:41:15 javispedro: doesn't matter now. Dec 22 23:41:26 javispedro: if it works on yours then it can't be the code. Dec 22 23:41:36 And it's made me think, maybe the code was never broken. Dec 22 23:41:48 Maybe at somepoint my GPS has got screwed Dec 22 23:41:49 depends on what you want to debug =) Dec 22 23:42:00 Well, my device is the one that's not working. Dec 22 23:42:01 alterego, it works for me Dec 22 23:42:01 * javispedro wants to find more crap in mobility Dec 22 23:42:06 what should i do now?? Dec 22 23:42:07 I could charge it up and mail it to you ;) Dec 22 23:42:09 alterego, solid satellite Dec 22 23:42:40 DocScrutinizer: the two's compliment of a positive number is itself, right? Dec 22 23:46:03 DocScrutinizer: right? Dec 22 23:46:15 MohammadAG: you're a bitch as well :P Dec 22 23:46:26 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Two's_complement Dec 22 23:46:34 alterego, I object! :P Dec 22 23:46:36 Found it, "clear-gps-cache" thought I had it in my archive Dec 22 23:46:39 DocScrutinizer: I read it already Dec 22 23:46:42 this sucks no custom ringtones for contacts :( Dec 22 23:46:47 just global one Dec 22 23:46:49 DocScrutinizer: I'm just not sure. could you answer my question? Dec 22 23:47:07 comawhite: there's an app for that Dec 22 23:47:08 the answer is no Dec 22 23:47:21 Okay, that didn't work. Dec 22 23:47:24 Attempting restart Dec 22 23:47:35 alterego, ship the device Dec 22 23:47:39 Venemo, where!!!!! Dec 22 23:47:54 technically the two's complement of N is -N usually iirc Dec 22 23:47:59 * MohammadAG sets up ebay account Dec 22 23:48:25 comawhite: I believe the package name is ringtoned and it appears as "custom ringtones for your contacts" in app mgr Dec 22 23:49:07 DocScrutinizer: for a negative number, I remember that it is ~(-N)+1 Dec 22 23:49:15 DocScrutinizer: where by ~, i mean bitwise negation Dec 22 23:49:20 Venemo, fucking thank you :D Dec 22 23:49:22 alterego, works for me :P Dec 22 23:49:34 DocScrutinizer: that correct? Dec 22 23:49:48 alterego, just checked again Dec 22 23:50:12 Venemo, you using pidgeon plugins for conversations? Dec 22 23:50:30 comawhite: no. Dec 22 23:50:43 ah Dec 22 23:51:20 comawhite: but you can Dec 22 23:51:39 Still Dec 22 23:51:46 Still doesn't work O_O Dec 22 23:51:47 yeah i know, just having problem with it and was wondering if you had it too Dec 22 23:51:59 After clearing the cache, and after a restart. Dec 22 23:52:13 alterego, it hates you Dec 22 23:52:54 alterego, got libqtm-location? Dec 22 23:53:00 Venemo: looks correct, yes Dec 22 23:53:18 DocScrutinizer: is that formula correct for positive numbers too? Dec 22 23:53:34 MohammadAG: Would it not be there if I've been, for the past months developing a GPS app with it :P Dec 22 23:53:40 try it and you'll see Dec 22 23:53:54 alterego, maybe? xP Dec 22 23:54:09 what should go first the emmc and then combined?? Dec 22 23:54:30 what you want, just don't use -R Dec 22 23:54:47 whichever* Dec 22 23:54:57 thanks Dec 22 23:55:42 DocScrutinizer: I'm sorry, I'm just thinking about this for some time now Dec 22 23:56:12 gah, need to sleep Dec 22 23:56:28 Me too, but I'm going insane trying to figure this out :( Dec 22 23:56:57 * MohammadAG counts columbus's source code lines and tries to sleep Dec 22 23:57:05 -N = ~N +1 Dec 22 23:57:06 :) Dec 22 23:57:15 or Dec 22 23:57:30 N * -1 = ~N + 1 Dec 22 23:57:50 DocScrutinizer: what does N* mean? Dec 22 23:57:53 MohammadAG: 12956 in total now Dec 22 23:58:03 Venemo: multiplication :P Dec 22 23:58:10 oh. Dec 22 23:58:11 right Dec 22 23:58:43 alterego, still can't sleep, should I read them all and make each one segfault? Dec 22 23:58:46 DocScrutinizer: I still can't figure out however how to do this for a positive number. it's just too late in the evening for me to think about stuff like this Dec 22 23:59:04 -1. = 0b1111 ~-1=0b0000 ~-1 + 1 = 0b0001 = 1. Dec 22 23:59:05 MohammadAG: study the code and search for memory leaks .. Dec 22 23:59:09 Without valgrind! :D Dec 22 23:59:17 * MohammadAG sleeps Dec 22 23:59:31 what's valgrind? :P Dec 22 23:59:44 ... Dec 23 00:00:19 DocScrutinizer: so the same formula applies as I see Dec 23 00:00:28 1. = 0b0001 ~1. = 0b1110 ~1. + 1 = 0b1111 = -1. Dec 23 00:00:34 MohammadAG: it's a memory leak debugging tool Dec 23 00:00:44 Venemo: I think he was being sarcastic :P Dec 23 00:01:03 DocScrutinizer: now you got me confused. Dec 23 00:01:15 Great .. It's working now . Dec 23 00:01:25 But why did it stop working I want to know >_< Dec 23 00:01:35 alterego: because it's lazy Dec 23 00:02:05 ~1 is the same as 1 xorg -1 Dec 23 00:02:06 ...but 1 is already something else... Dec 23 00:02:15 err xor Dec 23 00:02:23 nice operator Dec 23 00:02:26 ~1 Dec 23 00:02:26 1 is a number, silly Dec 23 00:02:29 .oO(i did it again... :) Dec 23 00:02:35 fuck off infobot :) Dec 23 00:02:40 ~2 Dec 23 00:02:40 It's TO, not '2'. This is not l33t3 sp34k nor is this AOL. Dec 23 00:03:04 Okay, stopped working now. So I've reproduced it .. Dec 23 00:03:35 ~ 0b0001 Dec 23 00:03:59 ~ 0xFF Dec 23 00:04:36 ~ 8044918913761641 * 984298136376 Dec 23 00:04:37 7918598694111617990178897920 Dec 23 00:04:59 * javispedro hits gentoo Dec 23 00:05:09 so they dropped dbus' .la files, great. Dec 23 00:05:33 Okay, seems the problem is something to do with my plugins .. Dec 23 00:06:05 ~1/0 Dec 23 00:06:14 ~ 1/0 Dec 23 00:06:22 ~ ~1 Dec 23 00:06:22 ~ 1 / 0 Dec 23 00:07:20 DocScrutinizer: let's take -4. 4=0b0010 -> 0b1101 -> 0b1110. then let's take +4. -4=0b1110 -> 0b0001 -> 0b0010 which is exactly the same as the binary form of 4 Dec 23 00:07:37 eeeh? Dec 23 00:08:00 in my book 4 = 0b0100 Dec 23 00:08:08 :) Dec 23 00:08:10 oh, sorry, typo'd Dec 23 00:08:50 * MohammadAG tries to sleep, o/ Dec 23 00:09:31 so 4 is 0b0100 -> ~4 is 0b1011 -> ~4+1 is 0b1100, so the two's compliment of -4 is 0b1100. that correct? Dec 23 00:09:57 0b0010 = +2 0b1110 = -2 Dec 23 00:10:18 as I said, I typo'd in the previous one, but right, that was 2 and not 4 Dec 23 00:10:43 no, the two's complement of 4 is 0b1100 Dec 23 00:11:13 or -4 Dec 23 00:11:20 that's what I said Dec 23 00:11:22 * alterego contemplates why his dynamic plugin loading effects liblocation Dec 23 00:11:44 ~affects Dec 23 00:11:51 [2010-12-23 01:07:34] the two's compliment of -4 is 0b1100 Dec 23 00:12:02 yeah, and this is what you said too Dec 23 00:12:06 no Dec 23 00:12:27 [01:08] no, the two's complement of 4 is 0b1100 ---> [01:09] or -4 Dec 23 00:12:45 0b1100 = -4 Dec 23 00:12:53 exactly Dec 23 00:13:02 which is the two's cmplement of 4 = 0b0100 Dec 23 00:13:05 dammit Dec 23 00:13:14 nah, you're misunderstanding me then Dec 23 00:13:20 no Dec 23 00:13:44 you're misunderstanding two's complement. it's an operator, not a data representation Dec 23 00:14:05 well, we learned it as a data representation Dec 23 00:14:43 or maybe I'm just not familiar with the correct English term for it - sorry then Dec 23 00:15:00 a lot of folks here understand software freedom Dec 23 00:15:16 It is both an operator and a data representation. Dec 23 00:15:22 >>A two's-complement system or two's-complement arithmetic is a system in which negative numbers are represented by the two's complement of the absolute value<< Dec 23 00:15:23 The operator defines the data representation. Dec 23 00:15:47 yeah, I understand it as how derf says Dec 23 00:16:17 one's complement and sign-and-magnitude are also operators Dec 23 00:16:44 You can only say '0b1100 = -4' _because_ you're using two's complement. Dec 23 00:16:52 TWO'S_COMPLEMENT( ) = Dec 23 00:16:55 As the data representation. Dec 23 00:16:57 that's an operator Dec 23 00:17:02 right. Dec 23 00:17:15 the only difference between them is the data representation Dec 23 00:17:42 In one's complement, 0b1100 = -3. Dec 23 00:18:03 But 0b1100 is still the two's complement of 4. Dec 23 00:18:11 MEH Dec 23 00:19:15 okay, so point is: decimal '4' is stored as 0b0100 and decimal '-4' is stored as 0b1100 inside the memory (assuming we're talking about 4-bit integers) Dec 23 00:19:17 Sorry, you people were driving me insane with your talking past each other. Dec 23 00:19:43 * DocScrutinizer /joins #sofisticism Dec 23 00:21:56 all my assembler menmonics do convert +N -> -N with a instruction called something like 2s-comp Dec 23 00:22:17 mnemonics* Dec 23 00:23:17 DocScrutinizer: my question was intended towards how to compute from an arbitrary decimal number its representation in the computer's memory Dec 23 00:23:19 as in that system negative numbers are represented by the two's complement of their positive counterpart Dec 23 00:23:28 right. :) Dec 23 00:23:39 now it's all clear :) Dec 23 00:23:53 I bet there's something weird with gobject module loading and qt module loading that is screwing this up somehow. Dec 23 00:24:00 thank you DocScrutinizer and derf :) Dec 23 00:24:11 alterego: didn't you just said that it wasn't on your binary? Dec 23 00:24:29 javispedro: IT wasn't, you didn't have the plugins :P Dec 23 00:24:49 It's the plugins, not my binary. Dec 23 00:25:01 Well, probably the plugin loader, which is in libcolumbus ;) Dec 23 00:25:21 so Dec 23 00:25:39 you're saying that loading certain "plugin" to your binary causes qtmobiliy to stop initializising liblocation? Dec 23 00:25:47 Yes Dec 23 00:25:53 Loading _any_ plugin I suspect. Dec 23 00:26:04 As they're all pretty much identical. Dec 23 00:26:39 source is on gitorious? Dec 23 00:27:01 Not mine no. Dec 23 00:27:20 I'm looking at mobilities source at the moment to see what could be going on. Dec 23 00:27:32 At least I've got a lead now Dec 23 00:27:35 DocScrutinizer: seems that I used bad terminology when I asked the question then Dec 23 00:32:12 Venemo: (how to compute from an arbitrary decimal number) convert |N| -> binary, then if N<0 apply two's complement Dec 23 00:34:08 for int Dec 23 00:34:36 for reals I guess it's a bit more involved Dec 23 00:35:08 DocScrutinizer: yeah, I was asking for int, and already figured out from what you've said. :) Dec 23 00:35:50 DocScrutinizer: I remember now. for fixed-point numbers it's almost equally as simple, and floating points are somehow complicated Dec 23 00:36:30 DocScrutinizer: anyway, thanks for answering. Dec 23 00:36:45 yw Dec 23 00:37:26 * Venemo should start learning for his digital design exam Dec 23 00:37:40 :) Dec 23 00:38:05 Designing an ALU or something? :) Dec 23 00:39:40 oh Dec 23 00:39:46 the rumours of windows nt for arm are growing larger Dec 23 00:40:11 I wonder if it's just the original shitball rolling down and getting larger or new information Dec 23 00:41:09 alterego: yeah that'll be there too. Dec 23 00:41:25 alterego: for now, I needed this stuff for some low-level programming homework Dec 23 00:57:05 Definitely something strange going on .. Dec 23 01:01:36 Well, fsck me Dec 23 01:01:43 It is just one plugin that's screwed. Dec 23 01:01:46 O_o Dec 23 01:03:04 javispedro: huh. it would make sense, but on the other hand, it would make sense not to Dec 23 01:03:08 Don't see how though >:( Dec 23 01:03:44 i mean, at the moment, windows is what you run on a PC. for most people, installing something else on a PC feels like you're using it for something it might not be supposed to do, like installing something else on a mac Dec 23 01:03:59 there are other things that are not pcs, but windows doesn't run on them Dec 23 01:04:25 if they break the perceived one-to-one mapping there, they're suddenly fighting on a somewhat more level playing field Dec 23 01:05:30 javispedro: got a link for the rumours? Dec 23 01:05:44 BCMM: http://www.bloomberg.com/news/2010-12-21/microsoft-is-said-to-announce-version-of-windows-for-arm-chips-at-ces-show.html Dec 23 01:05:57 BCMM: also, our own tmo: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=902476 Dec 23 01:06:34 javispedro: imho, the .net framework was intended to prepere them for an arch change, if necessary Dec 23 01:07:25 i mean, if they ran only on x86, in the event of other architechtures becoming much, much faster/cheaper, they'd be kinda screwed Dec 23 01:07:52 well, there's no need to said that stuff about nt running on nearly 6 or 7 different arches Dec 23 01:08:18 taht many? Dec 23 01:08:43 anyway, NT for Alpha failed for lack of applications, right? Dec 23 01:08:57 i mean, third-party binaries that ran on it Dec 23 01:09:15 well, I don't know why it failed. Dec 23 01:09:49 javispedro: well, i've heard that nothing ran on it. it was a small target, and nobody else bothered to ship alpha binaries of windows software Dec 23 01:10:20 with .net, they can port to an architechture and have a bunch of third-party apps from day one Dec 23 01:10:23 it probably had more users than n900 users when they killed the port =) Dec 23 01:10:35 the n900 is also a very small target Dec 23 01:17:56 yeah Dec 23 01:18:08 this is why they ceased supporting IA64 too Dec 23 01:19:35 BCMM: btw the reason most people use Windows is because that has the most driver support too Dec 23 01:20:00 i genuinly don't think that's true any more Dec 23 01:21:07 i've had plenty of experiences in which i've spent ages hunting for drivers on some .tw written in badly-translated chinese Dec 23 01:21:22 for a device that "just worked" when plugged in to a linux box Dec 23 01:22:09 well then Dec 23 01:22:43 why do taiwanese hardware manufacturers always have two web servers? there's a fast one for the actual web site, and a special slow, unreliable one for the drivers and manuals and firmware images and so on Dec 23 01:22:53 BCMM: please hunt me a driver 1) for my wireless to just work 2) for my graphics card that can switch the brightness of my screen 3) for my volume control buttons Dec 23 01:23:05 BCMM: these 3 things is what's missing for my laptop for Linux Dec 23 01:23:16 seems weird that you'd be missing volume control buttons Dec 23 01:23:22 Venemo: heh. find me a windows driver for my volume buttons. Dec 23 01:23:28 BCMM: :P Dec 23 01:23:33 windows works OK because it was installed when you got the machine. Dec 23 01:23:49 i "downgraded" my Vista laptop to xp/linux dual-boot Dec 23 01:24:11 actually installing windows on a laptop shows you what dreadful shape driver support is in Dec 23 01:24:46 well I can head on to Fujitsu's site and dl the win7 drivers for these stuff. they don't have linux in their drivers section. Dec 23 01:25:09 then I can go to the wireless manufacturer's page and compile the wireless driver, but it won't work flawlessly Dec 23 01:25:12 Venemo: in many cases, that's because linux drivers are supported in the kernel, rather than by the manufacturer Dec 23 01:25:41 the driver is OSS, they could put it into the kernel if wanted to Dec 23 01:25:43 anyway Dec 23 01:25:56 the volume control works sometimes, but most of the time not, and the brightness control just doesn't. ever. Dec 23 01:26:14 "most of the time"? O.o Dec 23 01:26:28 Venemo: like i said, try installing windows on it... Dec 23 01:26:57 BCMM: I have Win7 on it for which these things work Dec 23 01:27:20 that came with it, or that you installed? Dec 23 01:27:54 windows on laptops plays nice with teh hardware because somebody else has put in the hours cursing at random problems for you Dec 23 01:28:03 more like Dec 23 01:28:04 I bought the version that didn't have an OS (because it was cheaper), but the more expensive versions of the same laptop have win7 on them yes Dec 23 01:28:26 because someone knew they could be able to fix their stupid hardware in stupid kernel mode drivers so they didn't obther to make proper hardware on the first place. Dec 23 01:28:28 so it's hardware specifically designed for that OS. Dec 23 01:28:35 *would Dec 23 01:28:43 yep, unfortunately Dec 23 01:29:51 when I bought the laptop, Linux support wasn't a priority yet. (I was a big M$ fan at the time, but not any longer) Dec 23 01:31:03 next time (1-2 yrs from now or later) I will specifically look for a laptop with good Linux driver support. until then, I'm stuck with this one Dec 23 01:31:23 btw, do you know any laptop manufacturer which cares about Linux drivers? Dec 23 01:33:29 Venemo: you can buy laptops with Linux pre-installed Dec 23 01:33:57 tbh, driver support is all right if you with decent hardware, to some extent Dec 23 01:34:08 my esprimo came with linux and yet has no proper gfx driver Dec 23 01:34:12 i mean, if you have an SiS graphics chip, it probably won't work right under linux Dec 23 01:34:15 or under windows. Dec 23 01:34:44 yeah Dec 23 01:34:47 DocScrutinizer-8: what gfx card does it have? Dec 23 01:34:49 SIS here Dec 23 01:35:12 oh. Dec 23 01:35:39 DocScrutinizer-8: if you are lucky, you can make it work using some horribly hackery Dec 23 01:35:55 SiS is one of the most intentionally awkward companies for linux driver support Dec 23 01:36:01 well my Fujitsu has an NVidia card for which there's a somewhat usable properitary driver Dec 23 01:36:15 but that's OK, because their stuff basically sucks at a hardware level anyway Dec 23 01:36:23 hehe :D Dec 23 01:36:44 the proprietary nvidia driver has gotta be the best proprietary driver on linux Dec 23 01:36:59 it's very annoying that they won't open it, but they do nearly everything right apart from that Dec 23 01:37:02 it is not bad, just buggy sometimes Dec 23 01:37:17 driving the 800v by 786v fb is a PITA Dec 23 01:37:39 for example, when new versions of KDE's Kwin started finding performance issues in previously rarely-used functions, they engaged with the kde community well and got it fixed really fast Dec 23 01:37:59 * javispedro notes that the nvidia driver is also known for doing things "their way2 Dec 23 01:38:00 " Dec 23 01:38:23 ati's proprietary driver is dreadfully buggy, but since AMD took them over, they've been helping with the open driver Dec 23 01:38:26 which is getting very nice Dec 23 01:38:49 javispedro: yeah, and as of late not supporting the way things are going (KMS, gallium, etc.) Dec 23 01:39:27 well it would be just enough if it could connect to my external display without issue Dec 23 01:39:30 but it works pretty well most of the time, gets bug fixes when it's broken, and performs better than the windows driver in some cases Dec 23 01:39:40 yeah, true, true Dec 23 01:39:43 yeah, that's a bit of a problem Dec 23 01:39:44 BCMM: if that's the reason their driver is the only one that "works", I leave as an exercise to the reader Dec 23 01:39:56 it handles multiple monitors in it's own way, which is a stupid thing to do Dec 23 01:40:02 but opposing the windows driver, it can't control my screen's brightness. Dec 23 01:40:03 (not using KMS, gallium, etc.) Dec 23 01:40:19 javispedro: i said it was the best propriatary one. Dec 23 01:40:30 the open source intel and radeon drivers work better Dec 23 01:40:46 at 1/8 the performance *at best* Dec 23 01:41:03 I would use Nouveau of course, but the 3D performance of that makes me cry Dec 23 01:41:07 the radeon driver is improving fast Dec 23 01:41:18 that's what I've been reading for a decade. Dec 23 01:41:20 yet. Dec 23 01:41:31 faster than nouveau, which has to work with a basically uncooperative vendor Dec 23 01:42:11 teh handling of multiple monitors in nvidia is stupid. standard tools that work with proper drivers always see one big monitor. you can only configure it using nvidia-settings Dec 23 01:42:16 it doesn't matter. the entire graphics stack is foobar'd. no one sane would release anything remotely useful because it is a patent minefield. Dec 23 01:42:46 :( Dec 23 01:42:59 * Venemo thinks that sw patents should be eliminated completely Dec 23 01:43:06 Venemo++ Dec 23 01:43:16 it is also a copyright minefield, fwiw. are we still using s3tc? Dec 23 01:43:18 a better term is "maths patents" Dec 23 01:43:28 * javispedro guesses "yes" Dec 23 01:43:47 so Dec 23 01:43:51 anyway, that's presumably why AMD is taking the approach of helping the open-source driver with docs, rather than just dumping the fglrx code on the community Dec 23 01:44:03 BCMM: did you see the movie titled patent absurdity? Dec 23 01:44:07 well, that and teh fact taht the fglrx code is surely very, very embarrasing Dec 23 01:44:08 Venemo: no. Dec 23 01:44:16 BCMM: most of the work is still done by a single amd employee. Dec 23 01:44:24 you should. Dec 23 01:44:59 javispedro: how much does that matter, for the purposes of releasing specs? Dec 23 01:45:05 and, for some reason, my multimonitor setup works an order of magnitude better with nvcontrol than xrandr Dec 23 01:45:26 in that case, they basically have the docs internally, an the important thing is that they're allowing them out Dec 23 01:46:09 because what you're going to do with the register specs, other than do a crappy driver. Dec 23 01:47:11 cards themselves have not changed virtually anything themselves, as a quick look over the intel manuals tells. Dec 23 01:47:49 what do you guys think about intel gfx cards and drivers? Dec 23 01:47:54 same. Dec 23 01:48:02 1/8 of what you get on windows. Dec 23 01:48:05 really? Dec 23 01:48:22 I think intel is compensating for the crappyness of its hw by making the driver oss Dec 23 01:48:43 BCMM: 1/2 actually Dec 23 01:48:46 I have seen for myself that the drivers for certain intel GMA chips allow pretty impressive desktop effects Dec 23 01:48:48 How good is WH-205? Is Sennheiser CX281 better? Dec 23 01:48:53 with stability. Dec 23 01:48:54 scrap that. Dec 23 01:48:58 1/4 Dec 23 01:49:04 i mean, pretty impressive given the hardware they're running on Dec 23 01:49:34 I wanted to see what would happen if Intel gets serious about Meego. Dec 23 01:49:45 they will need hw to run it on. Dec 23 01:49:52 this hw will be GMA500 based Dec 23 01:49:56 and the question Dec 23 01:49:57 is Dec 23 01:50:01 and while i'm sure the free radeon drivers don't currently give amazing gaming performance, they give an incredibly responsive and artifact-free desktop effects experience Dec 23 01:50:07 and are really, really stable Dec 23 01:50:13 never had a crash from them Dec 23 01:50:32 in fact, since i got rid of propriatary atheros and nvidia drivers, i haven't had a single kernel panic Dec 23 01:50:37 Will there be a GMA500/SGX OSS driver from Intel with competitive performance against the ImgTech's one? Dec 23 01:51:14 BCMM: https://bugzilla.kernel.org/show_bug.cgi?id=23592 (filed by me) Dec 23 01:51:16 Bug 23592: was not found. Dec 23 01:51:16 etc. etc. Dec 23 01:54:26 but I guess that anecdote != data :) Dec 23 01:57:33 :) Dec 23 01:58:12 good night guys. it's late and I better get some sleep Dec 23 01:59:21 Archos 7.0 has been off power mains for 4.25 hours - mostly idle. battery reads 100% still Dec 23 02:03:37 wake me when you get a month's out of battery from idle Dec 23 02:03:52 like n800 ;) Dec 23 02:09:43 nice Dec 23 02:15:35 javispedro: I've gotten results indicating 2 weeks is quite possible in suspend. Dec 23 02:16:02 maybe 3 with the phone off Dec 23 02:17:39 more than one week with phone on would be surprising already Dec 23 02:20:22 For that, ylu've got to work out how to stop the phone sending signal status updates Dec 23 02:20:42 It resumes from suspend just fine on calls and texts Dec 23 02:29:26 i wonder if there is an app that will connect my wi-fi when im using it and disconnect when I'm not using it Dec 23 02:38:54 comawhite: with powersaving properly setup, it's no a big issue Dec 23 02:39:09 comawhite: it will last >5 days idle with wifi on Dec 23 02:42:32 O_O Dec 23 02:42:44 yeah because wifi is killing my battery -_- **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Dec 23 02:59:58 2010