**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Dec 24 02:59:58 2010 Dec 24 05:58:28 wow xchat is awkward on the n900 Dec 24 05:58:49 text way small Dec 24 06:27:01 use TV out and connect to 50inch TV? :D Dec 24 06:32:46 ds3, doesn't look right on non-lcd tv Dec 24 07:23:50 Morning Dec 24 07:24:19 good morning khertan Dec 24 08:15:02 morning pupnik Dec 24 08:15:13 there isn't anyone on maemo yet ? Dec 24 08:15:29 everybody move to meego ? Dec 24 08:15:59 I didn't. Dec 24 08:16:53 2 people Dec 24 08:17:12 RobbieThe1st, did you have admin power on maemo extras repository ? Dec 24 08:17:29 Nope Dec 24 08:17:35 I'm just a normal use Dec 24 08:18:33 *user Dec 24 08:19:26 hum ... ok ... switch back to my own repository again :) Dec 24 08:31:57 hello there Dec 24 08:33:56 khertan: I saw your email. Did you raise a bug? Dec 24 08:34:10 I can escalate a bug Dec 24 08:34:10 a bug ... for what ? Dec 24 08:34:17 i raise 20 about this things Dec 24 08:34:21 For your dependencies issue. Dec 24 08:34:24 ah ... pfff Dec 24 08:34:26 useles Dec 24 08:34:28 s Dec 24 08:34:32 will end to won't fix Dec 24 08:34:40 Don't be a cock. Dec 24 08:35:08 I'm telling you I can make sure it is seen by the people who are paid to maintain the site and fix it. Dec 24 08:35:27 However, I'm not going to poke them with random emails; I want something that can be tracked publicly. Dec 24 08:35:29 ok try again and i ll see Dec 24 08:37:01 Jaffa: so... i'm looking to finish another round of maemo localization Dec 24 08:37:53 i'm also considering banging my head against a brick wall Dec 24 08:39:07 now khweeteur is broken in extras (package dependencies) Dec 24 08:39:23 and broken in extras-devel new problem with new pyside update :) Dec 24 08:39:40 it 's not my day Dec 24 08:39:41 :) Dec 24 08:40:48 http://maemo.org/packages/view/khweeteur/ <<< i m the only one to not be able to access to it ? Dec 24 08:41:00 joy Dec 24 08:41:44 sp3000: so, i found the sources for "01:01 AM - 01:00 AM" Dec 24 08:42:09 it uses strftime twice and then uses sprintf "%s - %s" to paste the two together Dec 24 08:42:23 (in case a localizer doesn't use DASH to do pasting...) Dec 24 08:43:20 ok, anyone here familiar w/ binary patching? Dec 24 08:43:46 $ strings /tmp/libodsplugin.so |grep 'I:' Dec 24 08:43:46 %I:%M %p Dec 24 08:43:51 that needs a binary patch :) Dec 24 08:44:32 * timeless_mbp shakes head Dec 24 08:44:32 ja Dec 24 08:44:41 Jaffa, Bug 11722 Dec 24 08:44:42 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11722 Promoting Khweeteur in Extras result in missing dependencies Dec 24 08:44:42 Jaffa: so... Nokia Messaging is *awesome* Dec 24 08:45:08 they use their own *non* localized 12 hour time format which is just :) Dec 24 08:46:14 oh right Dec 24 08:46:15 Wow, that guy really liked my UI O_O Dec 24 08:46:26 * timeless_mbp can go see if "Never" is actually supported Dec 24 08:51:41 * timeless_mbp gives up Dec 24 08:51:45 too complicated Dec 24 08:51:51 the code at least partially pretends to support it Dec 24 08:51:57 but clearly no one bothered to test it Dec 24 08:52:35 lol can't connect to https://garage.maemo.org/extras-assistant/ Dec 24 09:02:02 hrm, does https://bugs.maemo.org/ look like it's missing a graphic? Dec 24 09:14:17 oh joy Dec 24 09:14:22 sp3000: so... whatever you do Dec 24 09:14:44 don't take your n900 w/o a sim into an area w/o wifi and try to add a mailbox to nokia messaging Dec 24 09:15:10 when you go past the disclaimer where it warns you that it's going to send information to nokia Dec 24 09:15:22 it then tries to check for nokia messaging availability Dec 24 09:15:31 to do that, it shows a progress diaog Dec 24 09:15:36 s/diaog/dialog/ Dec 24 09:15:36 timeless_mbp meant: to do that, it shows a progress dialog Dec 24 09:15:48 and then it proceeds to trigger an ICD dialog Dec 24 09:15:57 when you cancel that, it triggers the dialog again Dec 24 09:16:07 and it will keep triggering the dialog until you admit defeat Dec 24 09:16:12 lol Dec 24 09:16:14 you can either: 1. let the batteries run out Dec 24 09:16:23 2. pull the battery out Dec 24 09:16:30 3. give up and give it a network Dec 24 09:17:11 hrm, it seems that if you trigger flight mode from the power menu you can win, but i sure didn't think of that having tried 5+ times to dismiss the dialog :( Dec 24 09:17:49 ok, using flight mode to test, it takes exactly 5 "no i really don't want to exit flight mode" presses to get the thing to give up Dec 24 09:26:13 oh right, i should file a bug about 'never' not working Dec 24 09:30:17 /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.cpp:119: error: prototype for 'unsigned int MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int)' does not match any in class 'MafwSourceAdapter' Dec 24 09:30:22 /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.h:28: error: candidate is: void MafwSourceAdapter::sendBrowseRequest(QString*, unsigned int, unsigned int) Dec 24 09:30:41 what am I missing? Dec 24 09:30:50 oh, void Dec 24 09:32:07 :) Dec 24 09:32:15 That's ironic Dec 24 09:32:15 :p Dec 24 09:34:55 khertan, "Ta blague est aussi vide que le néant qui sépare tes deux oreilles." --Naheuleuk. Dec 24 09:35:07 s/euk/beuk/ Dec 24 09:35:08 crashanddie meant: khertan, "Ta blague est aussi vide que le néant qui sépare tes deux oreilles." --Naheulbeuk. Dec 24 09:35:40 Termana, opening gifts soon? Dec 24 09:36:38 crashanddie, nah it's 8pm Christmas Eve here. Dec 24 09:36:49 and? Dec 24 09:36:49 Though I guess it depends on your definition of soon :p Dec 24 09:36:57 I always open gifts on christmas eve :P Dec 24 09:37:01 :p Dec 24 09:37:57 crashanddie, lol ! Dec 24 09:38:13 you are reading naheulbeuk now ? Dec 24 09:38:25 nha, i used to listen to it ages ago Dec 24 09:38:40 oh which zode ? Dec 24 09:38:46 i didn't remember this one Dec 24 09:39:21 khertan, 16 IIRC Dec 24 09:39:44 though, this is from something like 5 years ago, so if I got the episode right, I'm auto-proclaiming myself alzheimer superhero Dec 24 09:40:01 I was going to myself a DVD for Christmas. Until I realised it's not released until 2 days after Christmas. What kind of idiot company does that? :p Dec 24 09:40:15 to buy* Dec 24 09:41:22 who the hell buys DVDs Dec 24 09:42:50 kerio, people who don't use iTunes and want to give money to movie companies, I suppose? Dec 24 09:43:40 Netflicks streaming and Hulu and all that crap is unavailable in Australia Dec 24 09:43:55 Netflix* Dec 24 09:44:19 * kerio points its finger at Teh Interwebs Dec 24 09:44:44 Are you indicating I should pirate it? Dec 24 09:44:54 what? no, of course not Dec 24 09:44:58 Board their boats and fire cannons at them Dec 24 09:45:03 :p Dec 24 09:45:05 ARRRRRRRRRR Dec 24 09:45:06 (kidding) Dec 24 09:53:07 Why did i bought an iphone to my wife ... cannot import contacts via bluetooth Dec 24 09:53:09 mouar Dec 24 09:53:09 f Dec 24 09:53:49 the apple solution use the import from sim card ... hum ... but 4G iphone use micro sim card ... not the old phone Dec 24 09:54:50 I think you can cut the SIM down Dec 24 09:56:06 Yea, you can Dec 24 09:56:15 The chip is far smaller than the plastic bit Dec 24 09:58:03 why does apple have to make all kinds of interoperation harder? Dec 24 09:58:36 Because they are Apple Dec 24 09:59:01 You should -only- buy Apple things, and always pay the premium! Dec 24 10:03:58 I think you can cut the SIM down <<< nope it s a really old one :) Dec 24 10:04:27 i found the easiest solution Dec 24 10:04:42 you want an iphone, you got an iphone Dec 24 10:04:50 iphone works with iphone only Dec 24 10:04:58 so enter your contacts manually Dec 24 10:04:59 :) Dec 24 10:07:07 khertan: wait, what? Dec 24 10:07:11 just sync them via usb Dec 24 10:07:23 via usb ? Dec 24 10:07:25 lol Dec 24 10:07:32 yeah, i know Dec 24 10:07:33 : Dec 24 10:07:35 er, :| Dec 24 10:07:40 the older phone have bluetooth Dec 24 10:07:42 see if there's something to sync via bluetooth in cydia Dec 24 10:07:47 didn't have usb cable Dec 24 10:08:12 cydia ... hum ... isn't something which is available after jailbreak ? Dec 24 10:08:42 as jailbreaking mean more problem for a lambda user ... and i didn't want to manage the problem :) Dec 24 10:08:51 rewriting it will be better Dec 24 10:09:12 and maybe after that i ll not hear again that the virtual pseudo keyboard is wonderfull :) Dec 24 10:09:32 to be fair the virtual kbd is not bad Dec 24 10:09:45 autocorrection works fine for writing normal text Dec 24 10:11:12 /home/slauwers/src/opensource/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwsourceadapter.cpp:31: error: undefined reference to `vtable for MafwSourceAdapter' Dec 24 10:11:19 wtf Dec 24 10:18:37 kerio, depends of size of your finger ... and language :) Dec 24 10:19:02 yeah, it's a lot worse for italian Dec 24 10:19:31 accent is a pain with it in french Dec 24 10:19:51 sometime automatically add one when not required Dec 24 10:23:10 I herald you, my supreme master! Lead us into the light of your wisdom and power Dec 24 10:23:27 infobot, sorry? Dec 24 10:23:27 * infobot appologizes profusely to everyone, points at the spammers, and says: "IT WAS THOSE BAD PEOPLE OVER THERE!!!" Dec 24 10:23:33 is anyone still running useful stuff on a n810? mine has been gathering dust and that's a pity Dec 24 10:24:42 crashanddie: it's a bloot bot. they have code, which i did not add, which accept me as master unless someone changes the defaults Dec 24 10:24:54 RichiH, i use mine as a powerfull Hifi :) Dec 24 10:25:19 !botsnack Dec 24 10:25:27 infobot: botsnack Dec 24 10:25:27 RichiH: thanks Dec 24 10:25:30 ~botsnack Dec 24 10:25:39 infobot> Someone already said that 3 seconds ago Dec 24 10:25:52 ~hate Dec 24 10:25:53 Oh, you hate your job? Why didn't you say so? There's a support group for that. It's called EVERYBODY, and they meet at the bar. --Drew Carey Dec 24 10:26:24 khertan: i was thinking more along the lines of rss reader/news display Dec 24 10:26:25 RichiH, I guess being the FreeNode BOFH has its perks? Dec 24 10:26:48 or maybe a cheap (as i already have one) video monitoring thingie Dec 24 10:27:43 crashanddie: i think timriker added that before i was staff and just changed the user masks to follow me, but i am not 100% sure Dec 24 10:30:07 RichiH, I guess that you could make the n810 a relatively nice in-car entertainment system Dec 24 10:31:15 Or with bluetooth ODB2 thing and carman... Dec 24 10:31:16 crashanddie: it's a leased company car so i am not too keen on modifiying it. also, i don't own a single mini-sd card Dec 24 10:31:36 Adaptors to micro are damn near free on ebay Dec 24 10:31:42 there is that Dec 24 10:32:30 RichiH, or a media player controller Dec 24 10:33:29 RichiH, dunno if you use a computer to play movies/music, but a visual remote control that doesn't require field of view can be interesting Dec 24 10:34:27 or as you said, a news/rss feed reader Dec 24 10:34:44 though you'd probably want to make it so that it displays the feeds you maintain from your computer Dec 24 10:35:51 nothing as annoying as having to pick up the device to setup a new feed and having to type a long-ass URL Dec 24 10:36:04 anyway, off for lunch, have a good one all, merry christmas if I don't see you again Dec 24 12:17:31 is maemo.org broken? Dec 24 12:21:39 yep looks like it Dec 24 12:28:05 dang, just when i needed it Dec 24 12:32:29 try google cache , or do you need the groups Dec 24 12:32:36 even google's cache doesn't show the pages Dec 24 12:32:41 bummer Dec 24 12:32:50 "Connectiong to static.maemo.org.." Dec 24 12:33:09 i'd like to port some qt stuff to diablo Dec 24 12:33:29 btw has anyone noticed that the n8x0 devices are still very expensive on ebay Dec 24 12:34:08 i'd like to use them in a home cockpit project, but looks like they are still too expensive Dec 24 12:36:21 i wonder if there is Qt for 770 Dec 24 12:49:57 GAN900, ping Dec 24 12:54:00 cos^: Raised with Nemein support this morning. Dec 24 12:56:22 DocScrutinizer , about a week ago, we talked about headsets with media player control, you said that we need to see what signals are sent Dec 24 12:56:31 i have everything (almost) Dec 24 12:57:12 as i am total idiot about those things, Dec 24 12:57:33 i wanted to confirm if i need to set it up parallel or serial? Dec 24 12:57:53 (serial i would say ) Dec 24 13:04:40 now i'm installing diablo sdk on the side of fremantle one.. let's see if it'll work at all Dec 24 13:40:14 not too easy :-( Dec 24 13:48:22 /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user Dec 24 13:50:35 MERRY CHRISTMAS! Dec 24 13:56:57 cos^, it s unusable since this morning for me too Dec 24 13:57:22 ^^ > cos^> is maemo.org broken? Dec 24 14:00:42 yep, it seems it's broken Dec 24 14:00:54 actually some pages load if you wait long enough Dec 24 14:00:58 but no stylesheets or images Dec 24 14:01:35 Hello. I've just downloaded zsh from here (http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40111 ), and setted it as default shell using `zsh -s /bin/zsh user`; ten i turned off my n900. But now it loopes when booting at startup. Dec 24 14:01:47 m4k3r: flash it Dec 24 14:01:55 m4k3r: you are not supposed to do it Dec 24 14:01:58 Oh god. Is the only way? Dec 24 14:02:19 m4k3r: maemo depends on that busybox sh implementation Dec 24 14:02:48 m4k3r: do you have bootmenu or something similiar? Dec 24 14:03:04 ~botsnack Dec 24 14:03:04 DocScrutinizer: :) Dec 24 14:03:20 trx: the R? Dec 24 14:03:24 trx: series Dec 24 14:03:27 Nothing, just as nokia gave me, with a few repo(â†’programs) installed. Dec 24 14:03:49 s/installed/more Dec 24 14:04:14 jacekowski: there isn't any fallback session or similar? Dec 24 14:04:51 m4k3r: nope Dec 24 14:05:29 jacekowski: I've installed ssh, any hope it starts before looping? Dec 24 14:05:41 nope Dec 24 14:05:44 T_T Dec 24 14:06:02 Flashing means also lose every data in my phone? Dec 24 14:06:05 you can disable lifeguard reboot Dec 24 14:06:17 has anybody installed vlc on their fon Dec 24 14:06:21 but phone is most likely not going to start anyways Dec 24 14:06:42 i know its at alpha stages ryt? Dec 24 14:06:42 RichiH: xchat on N810 :-D Dec 24 14:08:03 jacekowski: so, what do you suggest? Dec 24 14:08:25 No way to get into my phone's hd? Dec 24 14:09:19 do you not have a backup? :P Dec 24 14:10:38 how could this segfault: if (this->source != NULL) { Dec 24 14:10:42 noobmonk3y: it's too old. Dec 24 14:13:37 crashanddie: hehe. this = 0 Dec 24 14:13:53 err NULL Dec 24 14:14:00 or crap Dec 24 14:14:16 don't ask me how Dec 24 14:14:42 Intriguing comments in meego-community from a Nokian about, I guess, harmattan: http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2010-December/002993.html Dec 24 14:15:38 crashanddie: try print this Dec 24 14:15:53 check the value Dec 24 14:16:35 I guess a stack corruption or sth can cause this-> to fail Dec 24 14:19:50 crashanddie: generating a assembler listing on compiling sometimes is mad useful Dec 24 14:20:04 m4k3r: flash it Dec 24 14:20:13 m4k3r: or try disabling lifeguard reboot Dec 24 14:20:20 m4k3r: but most likely flash is the only way Dec 24 14:21:46 m4k3r: boot into rescue initsh, and kick out zsh from /etc/shells Dec 24 14:21:54 nha Dec 24 14:22:00 DocScrutinizer, found it Dec 24 14:22:06 boot process is known to fail on everything except messybox Dec 24 14:22:39 crashanddie: what's it been? Dec 24 14:24:02 Why is wiki.maemo.org so slow? Dec 24 14:24:05 =_= Dec 24 14:24:07 jacekowski: zsh? disabling WD won't help Dec 24 14:24:13 DocScrutinizer, i defined this->source last in the constructor, while higher up in the constructor it was calling methods that used this->source in effect before the object had finished being created Dec 24 14:24:25 m4k3r: oh Dec 24 14:24:32 m4k3r: then you can only flash it Dec 24 14:24:49 hmm Dec 24 14:24:50 m4k3r: but you can do combined image flash only Dec 24 14:25:01 m4k3r: so it shouldn't delete MyDocs and stuff Dec 24 14:25:27 m4k3r: you seen my advice? Dec 24 14:25:39 jacekowski: yep, the wiki said about a rootfs flashing way. Dec 24 14:25:56 DocScrutinizer: yes, but I don't know initsh, and wiki.maemo.org is slow. Dec 24 14:26:03 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Dec 24 14:27:11 HTH Dec 24 14:28:06 DocScrutinizer: thanks. But it seems to involve the same flashing utilities. Dec 24 14:28:55 maemo.org is down .. any infos on that? Dec 24 14:29:10 Since also rootfs flashing keeps my personal data, I could clean up my phone. Dec 24 14:29:34 too many xmas gifts to flash :-D Dec 24 14:30:56 it's not down, just slow and shaky Dec 24 14:31:18 DocScrutinizer: also, how is currently MeeGo on n900, still too imature? Dec 24 14:31:24 at least wiki.m.o Dec 24 14:31:42 for me yes Dec 24 14:32:13 still a developer kindergarden Dec 24 14:35:54 BluesLee: what exactly is down for you? Dec 24 14:38:15 DocScrutinizer: ping www.maemo.org PING maemo.org (80.248.164.250) 56(84) bytes of data Dec 24 14:44:36 is there any way to dpkg -i without running the pre/post scripts? Dec 24 14:45:04 i'm stuck with gconf2's /scratchbox/tools/bin/chown: `messagebus:messagebus': invalid user Dec 24 14:45:32 DocScrutinizer: :( Dec 24 14:45:34 .-(~/n900-rescue)------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------(maker@tumbolandia)- Dec 24 14:45:34 `--> rpm2cpio kernel-n900-*.rpm | cpio -vid ./boot/vmlinuz* Dec 24 14:45:34 zsh: no matches found: ./boot/vmlinuz* Dec 24 14:47:40 perhaps i just should create a second sb installation just for diablo :-/ Dec 24 14:48:05 cos^: there is Dec 24 14:48:16 cos^: man dpkg Dec 24 14:48:29 dpkg -x Dec 24 14:49:00 m4k3r: this isn't written for zsh. If you use '/boot/vmlinuz*' instead of /boot/vmlinuz* then it might work Dec 24 14:49:10 jacekowski: ok, looks like i missed it Dec 24 14:50:07 zsh is quite a bit different it seems, compared to korn shell Dec 24 14:50:55 m4k3r: oops, make that './boot/vmlinuz*' Dec 24 14:51:18 DocScrutinizer: yes, works, thy. Dec 24 14:51:38 jacekowski: -x extracts the package Dec 24 14:51:54 i just need -i without running the scripts (or ignoring errors) Dec 24 14:57:06 DocScrutinizer: done, but the recovery terminal hasn't neither chsh neither vim. Dec 24 15:10:36 m4k3r: it has busybox functionality, which also provides vi Dec 24 15:11:14 >> Dec 24 15:11:15 Start recovery terminal (T) Dec 24 15:11:17 Contains busybox functionality Dec 24 15:11:24 DocScrutinizer: and I should just remove zsh from /etc/shells? Dec 24 15:11:32 yes. Dec 24 15:11:37 or s/zsh/sh? Dec 24 15:11:50 Let's look how the file is like. Dec 24 15:11:51 cos^: -x + scripts= -i Dec 24 15:12:04 cos^: so -i without scripts = -x Dec 24 15:12:27 also replace zsh by sh in /etc/passwd, for user "user" (29999 iirc) Dec 24 15:12:51 m4k3r: and don't fuck around with that sort of stuf without a backup Dec 24 15:13:04 hehehe Dec 24 15:13:21 jacekowski: a backup wouldn't help too much here Dec 24 15:14:19 DocScrutinizer: Gh, I can't type '/' char xD Dec 24 15:14:20 it would Dec 24 15:14:25 This is so lol. Dec 24 15:14:27 he could just flash it Dec 24 15:14:31 without any problems Dec 24 15:14:31 http://i.imgur.com/dNhrL.png Dec 24 15:15:25 m4k3r: hmm, sorry I can't reproduce this here ATM. I guess there's some weird way you can type a / Dec 24 15:16:18 DocScrutinizer: Yes, it's an italian n900. Dec 24 15:16:31 I think it has to do with this. Dec 24 15:16:47 hmm, you got US kbd layout in rescue initrd - I'd bet Dec 24 15:17:22 on my US kbd the / is blue-V Dec 24 15:18:05 it should be same Dec 24 15:18:11 On mine it doesn't type nothing. Dec 24 15:18:45 or: cd etc; sed -i s.zsh.sh. shells Dec 24 15:18:56 lol Dec 24 15:19:02 or cd etc; vi shells Dec 24 15:19:15 And hot to type ':'? Dec 24 15:19:18 *how to Dec 24 15:19:28 Same as '/' Dec 24 15:20:07 * m4k3r has found '<' and '>' chars \o/ Dec 24 15:20:16 sorry, I never tested the initrd console. No idea what the meego guys implemented there Dec 24 15:20:59 I can't type neither '-' Dec 24 15:21:02 Shit. Dec 24 15:21:35 you tried all the keys (with blue and with shift-blue)? Dec 24 15:21:46 And with Maiusc. Dec 24 15:25:23 wtf does "plugin-container" in fennec do when it doesn't have any plugins enabled Dec 24 15:25:34 61M RSS Dec 24 15:25:41 hi ShadowJK :-D Dec 24 15:26:26 * SpeedEvil hits ShadowJK with the RSS does not matter stick. Dec 24 15:26:48 hi SpeedEvil Dec 24 15:27:06 where is the disable plugins button :-( Dec 24 15:27:10 Hi! Dec 24 15:27:41 http://www.selenic.com/smem/ - pss/uss is good Dec 24 15:27:48 any advice or hint for m4k3r and his fubar kbd under meego recue initrd? Dec 24 15:28:08 get a picture of the keyboard it is emulating. Dec 24 15:28:46 http://xkcd.com/ :) Dec 24 15:32:18 SpeedEvil: where's the binary of smem for N900? Dec 24 15:33:20 Neither setkey grub option works. Dec 24 15:34:08 it's python Dec 24 15:34:16 It 'just works' Dec 24 15:40:15 oooh Dec 24 15:40:28 :-D Dec 24 15:44:21 SpeedEvil: the tarball http://www.selenic.com/smem/download/smem-0.9.tar.gz has a smemcap.c though Dec 24 15:44:58 it's somewhat slower than microb :-( Dec 24 15:45:30 fennec? not surprised Dec 24 15:46:27 the new one that was linked on theregister is much faster than the old ones that had a minute pause to scroll, though Dec 24 15:46:31 DocScrutinizer: that's to make pretty graphs Dec 24 15:46:49 hmmm Dec 24 15:47:29 SpeedEvil: RSS does matter Dec 24 15:47:36 jacekowski: why? Dec 24 15:47:44 because that's real memory used by program Dec 24 15:47:48 jacekowski: It's not Dec 24 15:48:01 It's the real memory used by the program, plus the libraries Dec 24 15:48:10 rss %ld Resident Set Size: number of pages the process has in real memory. This is just the pages which count towards text, data, or stack space. This does not include Dec 24 15:48:11 but the libraries can be multiply mapped. Dec 24 15:48:14 pages which have not been demand-loaded in, or which are swapped out. Dec 24 15:48:38 So libc is mapped by every process, and counts fully towards each processes RSS Dec 24 15:48:47 when in fact it's only in memory once. Dec 24 15:48:48 open new tab, try open another new tab, takes bloody ages. Maybe it's waiting for the tab in background to finish loading first. That's exactly the opposite of what I want. I use tabs because I don't want to wait a minute each for each interesting link to load. Dec 24 15:49:09 well Dec 24 15:49:12 RSS-SHR Dec 24 15:49:37 SHR is very inaccurate Dec 24 15:49:49 the above tool goes and counts the mappings. Dec 24 15:50:14 Which reveals that the memory use of many stock maemo little tools is really quite small indeed Dec 24 15:50:38 Anyway. Dec 24 15:50:42 * SpeedEvil gets in the shower. Dec 24 15:51:19 HELL! updating xchat brought back that annoying blue led flashing on highlights Dec 24 15:53:43 and *MUHAHA* for /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces to delimit the commands Dec 24 15:54:53 No new packages Dec 24 15:56:36 RST38h: restored the plugin I used to "delete" Dec 24 15:56:38 350M swap use.. I'd say that's real :) Dec 24 15:56:41 Heya Dec 24 15:56:52 Does anybody use MeeGo on their n900 as default yet? Dec 24 15:57:19 RST38h: check /help ->"plugin defined commands" missing spaces Dec 24 15:59:27 RST38h: any chances to get a "increment Text box font PT" and "decrement..." command, to map that to some key shortcuts of my liking? Dec 24 16:04:10 * ShadowJK changes his N9 wishlist, changing ram from 1G to 2G after trying fennec ... Dec 24 16:04:32 RST38h: i.e. have a "Action" (context Xchat Keyboard Shortcuts) that directly accesses what you normally can do via Xchat->Settings->Preferences: "[Text box]","Font:"->[Browse...]->"Size:" Dec 24 16:06:53 ShadowJK: Try Kino and make that 16G :-P Dec 24 16:07:06 Doc: I am currently in no position to look at it (NY party, children running everywhere, screaming) Dec 24 16:07:27 Doc: So, let us postpone to by a day or two :) Dec 24 16:07:35 RST38h: sure :-) just asking about the chances... Dec 24 16:07:50 ShadowJK: For Fennec, you probably want to set that to "infinity" =) Dec 24 16:07:51 "postpone" sounds like a fair chance Dec 24 16:09:42 ShadowJK: Swappiness of 30% and no other apps running (other than lightweight bultin ones that is) make latest Fennec beta somewhat bearable though Dec 24 16:11:49 as far as cpu goes, 600MHz Cortex A8 seems just fine for fennec Dec 24 16:12:21 So I'd need a second device to run just fennec on, and some way to copy/paste between the two devices Dec 24 16:12:31 * ShadowJK 'd call it regression :-) Dec 24 16:12:37 Use the camera for cut&paste! Dec 24 16:13:10 DocScrutinizer, jacekowski: flashed, all ok. Thank you. Dec 24 16:13:14 i want 8gb of ram on my n9 Dec 24 16:13:40 m4k3r: glad to hear Dec 24 16:13:49 that Dec 24 16:14:51 kerio: palmpilot design: all memory is also storage Dec 24 16:15:24 greatly simplifies a lot of things Dec 24 16:16:02 Killing microb can help for fennec Dec 24 16:16:14 basically they had all storage memmapped Dec 24 16:16:20 Doc: That should rather be called lack of design Dec 24 16:17:12 RST38h: there are advantages. zero loading times just one of them Dec 24 16:19:08