**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Dec 25 02:59:57 2010 Dec 25 05:16:38 Merry Christmas! Dec 25 05:18:23 luke-jr: Indeed. Dec 25 05:18:35 * SpeedEvil fails at sleep. Dec 25 05:18:52 Merry Christmas everyone Dec 25 05:30:45 штеукуыештп ерштп Dec 25 05:31:03 interesting thing* Dec 25 05:31:30 re-flashed device twice already just cause everytime /etc/apt/sources.list is empty Dec 25 05:32:02 while /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-blahblah.list has all repos Dec 25 05:38:42 DocScrutinizer =( Dec 25 05:41:49 I believe HAM uses /etc/source.list.d/foo file instead Dec 25 05:44:42 and I think /etc/apt/source.list was to remain empty unless maybe you install a third party HAM-like application such as fapman Dec 25 05:45:29 and anyhow the file in /etc/sources.list.d/ does not seem to be complete either, only the repos you have enabled in HAM would it have its own entry otherwise it would not be in there Dec 25 05:55:36 psycho_oreos true Dec 25 05:55:59 reflashed from other computer and installed rootsh before using anying backup restores =) Dec 25 05:56:20 i do have catalogues though the source.list is empty Dec 25 05:57:58 Hello. I can't play youtube videos in programs. Cutetube and mytube both don't work. Dec 25 06:09:36 ZogG, chances are the catalogues aren't enabled but I could be wrong.. afaik from my observation catalogues that are enabled with have their own entries inside /etc/sources-list.d/ whereas if they are disabled they are placed in some other location that I am not aware of yet Dec 25 06:10:16 Ex-Opesa, maybe those programs don't spoof the flash player version yet Dec 25 06:10:54 psycho_oreos: Maybe. :S Dec 25 06:11:35 I installed MSN account package for conversations but its not loading. It always "not signed in". What should I do? Dec 25 06:12:34 psycho_oreos there are no catalogues and as i add they do not appear Dec 25 06:12:40 3rd reflash solved it Dec 25 06:13:02 maybe somehower other computer i flashed from made problems as at the begining it didn't see n900 at all Dec 25 06:13:15 i mean it saw it but not for flashing Dec 25 06:13:36 was some usb modules error as forum search said =) Dec 25 06:14:29 Ex-Opesa what do you mean it's not loading? where did you install it? pidgin?? did you try to enable it in avability option or if it's pidgin in pidgin? Dec 25 06:16:07 ZogG: I won't like to install pidgin on it too. I want the integrated IM to work like gmail/facebook work nicely. I have already installed msn for im thingy applcation. Dec 25 06:16:32 are you sure it's not pidgin plugin? Dec 25 06:16:45 Let me confirm. Dec 25 06:17:09 can't check now as i do restore and it downloads 700+ mb of apps and installling them =) Dec 25 06:18:48 ZogG: Exact application name is "MSN protocol plugin for conversations and contacts" Dec 25 06:19:31 In description is says "for confirguring msn accs using telepathy-bufferfly connection manager" ^^ Dec 25 06:19:45 Maybe I should use peacon O_o Dec 25 06:20:10 aren't there two MSN plugins? Dec 25 06:20:14 or is it down to one these days? Dec 25 06:20:43 For me the msn protocol plugin" is not working. I will try peacon one now. Dec 25 06:20:55 I have the 'pidgin plugins for ...' one Dec 25 06:21:15 Okay. Dec 25 06:21:20 sorry, 'pidgin protocols for Conversations and Contacts' Dec 25 06:21:22 seems to work ok Dec 25 06:22:19 I see. Dec 25 06:23:21 Its just I don't want to use pidgin on mob even. I already use it on gnome. ^^ Dec 25 06:23:54 errr, it's a package that adds that protocol support to the builtin conversations app Dec 25 06:24:16 it's based on pidgin's protocol handling code, but they're just plugins for "Conversations" and "Contacts" Dec 25 06:24:55 Ah! Dec 25 06:25:04 Thanks for clearing up the confusion johnx. =) Dec 25 06:25:13 it weirded me out at first too Dec 25 06:25:41 Yeah. Dec 25 06:27:29 ZogG, interesting Dec 25 06:28:30 johnx, does that pidgin application also indicates who is online/offline. etc? Dec 25 06:38:05 errr, pidgin the application? or the 'pidgin protocols ...' package? Dec 25 06:38:10 they both do, but just wondering :) Dec 25 06:39:12 johnx. Thanks I am using now pidgin for conversation/IM and that msn-peacon didn't provide me with status of contacts. Its all solved now. Thanks :) Dec 25 06:39:22 keen :) Dec 25 06:40:59 :) Dec 25 07:32:13 hi Dec 25 07:32:58 any1 got a clue how to use the keybind shortcuts with opera? Dec 25 07:50:41 any1 got a clue how to use the keybind shortcuts with opera? Dec 25 08:04:57 http://scp-wiki.wikidot.com/scp-9912-ex Dec 25 08:05:03 =) Dec 25 08:38:28 moo Dec 25 08:39:05 m00f! Dec 25 08:45:16 * valeriusN compiled catdoc 0.9.4 on my n900, no need in cross-compiling! cool ;) Dec 25 08:52:10 HoHOho :-D Dec 25 09:41:42 Hello guys , what is the best app which automatically records incoming and outgoing calls without user involvement ? Dec 25 09:47:38 recaller Dec 25 09:47:45 daxt_: ^^^ Dec 25 09:50:02 Merry crimbo Dec 25 10:01:07 blah why must installing meego be so bloody complicated Dec 25 10:04:09 DocScrutinizer according to the comments in the app info page , recaller does not record calls automatically Dec 25 10:04:21 DocScrutinizer what is your experience on it ? Dec 25 10:05:51 err, that's all new to me. I read that as "recaller's main purpose is to record calls automatically". And it does for me - or did last time I checked Dec 25 10:07:05 something broke it so it occasionally never stopped recording, even after end of call. So I deinstalled it. Need to give it another try and some love Dec 25 10:08:37 comawhite: probably mainly because you don't want to nuke maemo for it, usually Dec 25 10:09:22 comawhite: or what's the part that makes it complicated for you? Dec 25 10:27:00 Moo all Dec 25 10:28:18 Kill the turkeys, ducks and chickens / Mix the punch, drag out the Dickens / Even though the prospect sickens / Brother, here we go again Dec 25 10:36:08 moo RST38h Dec 25 10:40:10 RST38h: I'm having goose today actually :P Dec 25 10:42:25 alterego: Ah you evil bird murderer! Dec 25 10:44:36 Hah Dec 25 10:44:42 Well, I didn't kill it myself :P Dec 25 10:44:53 guys what is the maps app that uses the downloaded map images and not the internet connection to get map images ? Dec 25 10:47:12 I am, also, a bit hung over. Dec 25 10:47:16 Which isn't great. Dec 25 10:47:23 But it is my own fault :D Dec 25 10:55:36 daxt:pretty much every maemo mapping app will cache images it downloads Dec 25 10:55:55 and not download them again Dec 25 11:01:56 RST38h: Not my app! :P Dec 25 11:02:02 My app doesn't need to download any maps. Dec 25 11:02:18 I had someone request voice navigation via a PM yesterday. Dec 25 11:03:11 It seems a lot of people really like how it looks, and so they want me to turn it into another guided navigation app. Dec 25 11:03:18 Which isn't its' purpose at all. Dec 25 11:14:28 alterego: You app is not showing any maps. Dec 25 11:14:58 Exactly, though it seems people want even mine to become a bog standard maps app. Dec 25 11:19:49 I probably will put mapping into v2 Dec 25 11:20:07 But v2 I estimate wont be around until summer next year. Dec 25 11:22:05 Is your app native? Dec 25 11:24:24 Native? Dec 25 11:24:32 You mean, not Python? Dec 25 11:28:03 alterego, native as in C/C++ :P Dec 25 11:28:23 Isn't that what I just said? Dec 25 11:28:28 It's Qt/C++ Dec 25 11:41:40 Now to work out why this plugin module is killing my app :( Dec 25 12:01:30 alterego: Yea,I meant "notpython" :) Dec 25 12:01:42 :) Dec 25 12:16:55 "Columbus Navigation Toolkit von Tom Swindell ist ein GPS Navi-Tool mit erweiterten Features für GPS-Navi-Enthusiasten." Dec 25 12:17:08 Hahah, that translates directly to my package's description field. Dec 25 12:17:11 That's hilarious. Dec 25 12:28:19 alterego: Just do http://xkcd.com/407/ Dec 25 12:29:24 Hahah Dec 25 12:29:35 Yeah, might put that in. In the style of a gigercounter. Dec 25 12:30:07 Naah. Dec 25 12:30:09 WWII sonar Dec 25 12:31:32 How about the original star trek ping Dec 25 12:34:31 hi Dec 25 12:35:09 i have a problem. when trying to install the twitter client Khweeteur, it says that it needs "python-pkg-resources", which can't be installed Dec 25 12:35:20 i tried installing it manually via apt-get, but it didn't work either Dec 25 12:35:26 the same problem as this guy here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/khweeteur/0.0.52-1/ Dec 25 12:35:57 someone sugested that i should add "python-pkg-resources (>= 0.6c9-1maemo2)" to the "package Depends:", but i don't know how to do it Dec 25 12:42:36 faliva: Check you've got extras-devel enabled; I wouldn't be surprised if that package was only in devel. Dec 25 12:44:18 okay, but do you know what the guy meant by adding "python-pkg-resources ..." to the "package depends:"? Dec 25 12:44:42 debian/control, line Depends: Dec 25 12:45:08 merry chrismas everyone Dec 25 12:45:14 merry christmas Pradeep Dec 25 12:45:20 MohammadAG: what's debian/control? Dec 25 12:46:11 faliva, a file Dec 25 12:46:25 ah, okay Dec 25 12:46:28 thx Dec 25 12:46:47 yw Dec 25 12:50:17 Hey MohammadAG :) Dec 25 12:51:39 morning alterego :J Dec 25 12:51:46 s/J/)/ Dec 25 12:51:47 MohammadAG meant: morning alterego :) Dec 25 13:07:46 Oooo, goose carving time! :D Dec 25 13:20:02 12648430! Dec 25 13:28:14 printf "%6x YUMMY" 12648430 Dec 25 13:32:38 mrry xmas everyone :) xxx hope u all got hat u want Dec 25 13:32:59 and if ur not quit on xmas day then haha!!! and if you gone passed xmas day then happy new year :D Dec 25 13:33:24 :) Dec 25 13:34:53 now i got a question, is it a knob bug or not? i've had a conact in the phone for good 3 or 4 months, been sending loads txt etc all ok, com to this morning went to send txt and it sent, then i went back into it. and there is no contact info againest the txt but they still exist, then i txted it and it doesn't send but i get a reply Dec 25 13:36:00 but then i don't see non eof the txt i sent to that contact Dec 25 13:36:02 ne ideas? Dec 25 13:36:06 and it's happened a few times now Dec 25 13:38:55 ne one? Dec 25 13:49:36 Jaffa: ping Dec 25 13:50:37 GAN900: ping Dec 25 13:52:36 GAN900: Jaffa : if you're looking for MWKN subjects: I'd think http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67316 and http://marble.garage.maemo.org/testing/ is quite worth it (sorry if I missed a previous article covering that :-D) Dec 25 13:53:47 easily qualifies for "killer app" tag :-) Dec 25 13:53:53 what does it do? Dec 25 13:54:06 mapping, routing Dec 25 13:54:14 maps from? Dec 25 13:54:17 OSM Dec 25 13:54:35 turn by turn voice? Dec 25 13:54:42 no voice (yet) Dec 25 13:54:59 1.1 feature Dec 25 13:55:01 so pretty much just offline nokia maps Dec 25 13:55:25 hmm, offline routing, offline searching Dec 25 13:55:48 and turn by turn written guidance Dec 25 13:55:59 jit Dec 25 13:58:11 it's in devel Dec 25 13:58:34 seems properly optified Dec 25 14:00:49 DocScrutinizer ne ideas? Dec 25 14:05:20 hello guys Dec 25 14:06:15 Please tell me what TMO means? Maybe I'm not Googling it right Dec 25 14:07:59 i think it means Time to Move Out Dec 25 14:09:12 ~tmo Dec 25 14:09:12 i guess tmo is http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Dec 25 14:09:48 thanks :) Dec 25 14:09:59 wow, 3 letters can have so many meanings Dec 25 14:12:00 ? Dec 25 14:13:20 hey Dec 25 14:13:52 hi Dec 25 14:13:53 :p Dec 25 14:14:36 x chat on maemo is really messed up, the ui is utterly cluttered Dec 25 14:15:05 Surprise, CptObvious! Dec 25 14:15:06 xchat is messed up regardless Dec 25 14:15:06 fucking ovi is doing my nut in Dec 25 14:15:19 That's why I use irssi via screen on one of my servers :) Dec 25 14:15:29 FireStorm: left or right one? Dec 25 14:15:35 both Dec 25 14:15:39 alterego: lags Dec 25 14:15:54 cause even though the phone is in data suite mode, ovi is saying it isn't :@ Dec 25 14:16:04 alterego: irssi + remote irssi-proxy Dec 25 14:16:25 lags Dec 25 14:16:52 yeah, but not noticeable Dec 25 14:16:59 as you see what you type as you type Dec 25 14:17:07 And 90% of the time it's not noticable for me. Dec 25 14:17:29 i'm not liking this phone ne more :( Dec 25 14:17:48 Yeah, I understand that, but in a way, I like the fact that you know your connection is rubbish. Dec 25 14:17:55 buy an iFruit Dec 25 14:18:08 i'm just going to cry and go back to a brick. Dec 25 14:18:20 just seems that it lack it's spark ne more :( Dec 25 14:18:43 jacekowski: I've managed to work out that my problem is a specific dynamic module that I load, would you like to have a look at it and see if you can work out why it's screwing location? Dec 25 14:19:11 alterego: sure, just remind me what are you talking about Dec 25 14:19:53 When I did a big refactoring in my app, location services stopped being started. Dec 25 14:20:06 and somehing is fucking up on this phone, it's losing contact info when sending txt Dec 25 14:20:07 S: Dec 25 14:20:12 I found out that it actually worked fine with an empty plugin directory. Dec 25 14:20:30 Then I found that it was one specific module that seemed to kill. Dec 25 14:20:35 just got a txt, i've replied to tit, gone back into it and it says no sms delivery info and no number and no txt msg :S Dec 25 14:20:50 ahm Dec 25 14:20:56 alterego: and that module is? Dec 25 14:21:13 It adds network streaming support to my app. Dec 25 14:21:16 I'll upload it. Dec 25 14:21:48 hmmm i think time to factory rset phone n start again Dec 25 14:21:59 firestorm||: flash it Dec 25 14:22:04 hmmm i think time to factory rset phone n start again Dec 25 14:22:10 whats that jacekowski Dec 25 14:22:16 proper factory reset Dec 25 14:22:19 ah Dec 25 14:22:27 link to hwo to do it? Dec 25 14:22:32 ~flashing Dec 25 14:22:33 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Dec 25 14:22:41 good man :D Dec 25 14:23:00 jacekowski: http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/libnetwork-plugin.so Dec 25 14:23:08 alterego: hmm, is it just module that breaks it? Dec 25 14:23:16 jacekowski: yeah Dec 25 14:23:24 i mean have you tried previous verison with this module Dec 25 14:23:33 No Dec 25 14:23:35 or it's incompatible Dec 25 14:23:47 The modularisation was part of my refactoring. Dec 25 14:23:55 Before they were compiled into my app. Dec 25 14:24:36 can you upload whole app Dec 25 14:24:47 http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/columbus-broken.tar.gz Dec 25 14:25:00 That's all you need. Dec 25 14:25:52 khertan, ping Dec 25 14:25:56 Public Release 1.2: 10.2010.19-1 Dec 25 14:25:56 * RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.203.1_PR_COMBINED_203_ARM.bin Dec 25 14:25:57 o Size: 187852801 Dec 25 14:25:57 o MD5: 0a8f877fef95b5e67da52c9e42d1fbf5 Dec 25 14:26:00 is that the least version? Dec 25 14:26:48 nope Dec 25 14:27:11 alterego: so i download that tar file, unpack it, download libnetowrk plugin, put it in same folder or in subfolder plugins/? Dec 25 14:27:17 the last is RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2 something Dec 25 14:27:27 firestorm||: it says latest version under it Dec 25 14:27:39 The plugin search path is /opt/usr/lib/columbus/plugins Dec 25 14:30:36 anone using khweeteur? Dec 25 14:30:38 jacekowski: so, I wrote a minimal test app, that attempts to start location services and also just loads that explicit module. Dec 25 14:30:52 hmm Dec 25 14:30:55 does it work? Dec 25 14:31:05 after re-flash it meets problem with some python packages while trying to install Dec 25 14:31:16 jacekowski: and low and behold, if you start the location service before the load, it works, if you start location services after the load it fails. Dec 25 14:31:54 I'd not recommend flashing, just for fixing a borked SQLite database Dec 25 14:32:23 while odds are the database will survive flashing anyway :-P Dec 25 14:32:48 ~seen wazd Dec 25 14:32:50 wazd <~Andrew@188.123.230.115> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 55m 47s ago, saying: 'Stskeeps: not sure if I can mention it :D'. Dec 25 14:32:54 there's a ticket in bmo about such problems Dec 25 14:35:45 though I can understand jacekowski as 1 2 f337 ! ne 55178 helping 7331spkrs out Dec 25 14:37:47 there's Nokia support for that Dec 25 14:43:35 jacekowski: I just can't figure it out. Dec 25 14:44:48 When do they show DrWho Christmas Special tonight? Dec 25 14:44:59 3 hours 15 minutes Dec 25 14:45:07 6pm GMT ;) Dec 25 14:45:12 Ah...Will have to wait until tomorrow then Dec 25 14:46:45 Getting late where you are? Dec 25 15:02:23 This is just insane .. Dec 25 15:03:02 /home/user/columbus/columbus: symbol lookup error: /home/user/columbus/columbus: undefined symbol: þÞÿçQPixmapC1ERK7QStringPKc6QFlagsIN2Qt19ImageConversionFlagEE Dec 25 15:03:38 Hrm, erm. Dec 25 15:03:44 Missing Qt deps? Dec 25 15:03:53 well, it's strange Dec 25 15:04:03 I don't get that error. Dec 25 15:04:12 i only get it when i run it on debugger Dec 25 15:04:22 Oh, hrm. Dec 25 15:04:24 but it may be gdbserver bug Dec 25 15:04:36 Presumably even when the module is absent? Dec 25 15:04:44 yes Dec 25 15:05:29 That symbol should be in Qt Gui module. Dec 25 15:05:37 yeah, it fails on plain gdb as well Dec 25 15:05:39 * alterego has had an idea. Dec 25 15:05:47 I just thought. Dec 25 15:05:49 ApplicationController: Connecting telemetry source signals. Dec 25 15:05:49 /home/user/columbus/columbus: symbol lookup error: /home/user/columbus/columbus: undefined symbol: ððçQPixmapC1ERK7QStringPKc6QFlagsIN2Qt19ImageConversionFlagEE Dec 25 15:06:20 Crazy Dec 25 15:06:31 I didn't get that when I was using gdb .. Dec 25 15:07:55 Nokia-N900:~/columbus$ gdb --version Dec 25 15:07:55 GNU gdb (GDB) 6.8.50.20090417-debian Dec 25 15:08:41 Yeah, same version as me. Dec 25 15:09:53 I've commented out a load of code and taken a load of source files out of the compilation for that module, and it still fails :/. Dec 25 15:12:21 let me just upgrade everything Dec 25 15:13:45 Oh, it's not specific to that module in my test app. Dec 25 15:17:50 M_USE_NAMESPACE Dec 25 15:17:56 Weird, so my minimal test plugin M_USE_NAMESPACE Dec 25 15:17:56 M_USE_NAMESPACE Dec 25 15:18:05 and my minimal test case fails. Dec 25 15:18:12 So maybe this isn't my fault :/ Dec 25 15:18:32 how do you load plugins? Dec 25 15:18:42 Using "QPluginLoader" Dec 25 15:19:22 http://pastie.org/1404873 Dec 25 15:19:26 That's my test code. Dec 25 15:31:02 Strange .. Dec 25 15:31:42 jacekowski: this works: http://pastie.org/1404873 Dec 25 15:32:10 But if you move line 16 to after line 18, it breaks. Dec 25 15:32:50 So the problem isn't even with startUpdates() it seems to happen earlier. When you create the location services controller. Dec 25 15:44:36 when looking for my gdb problem Dec 25 15:44:47 http://www.mail-archive.com/qt-mobility-feedback@trolltech.com/msg00143.html Dec 25 15:44:51 i found that Dec 25 15:47:14 You are reproducing my issue right? Dec 25 15:47:32 With the plugin in that dir it fails to start the location services? Dec 25 15:48:59 yes Dec 25 15:49:07 'sup Dec 25 15:49:20 and btw Dec 25 15:49:25 have you noticed that it segfaults Dec 25 15:49:28 Cool, so we're on the same page :D Dec 25 15:49:36 Yeah, when it terminates Dec 25 15:49:36 when that plugin is there Dec 25 15:49:45 I did notice yeah. Fixed that. Dec 25 15:49:59 But like I said, I've now ascertained it isn't plugin specific, Dec 25 16:01:08 well the mameo webti is out of date :( Dec 25 16:03:08 jacekowski: well, I've "fixed" it now :/ Dec 25 16:05:34 I'll wait until the new year and submit an example to Qt bugs and see what they think. Dec 25 16:05:41 It's just odd behaviour tbh Dec 25 16:33:40 does someone manage to sync its n900 with syncevolution over bluetooth ? Dec 25 16:34:29 I keep getting an “underlying transport error”, using syncevolution 1.1 on mandriva cooker and 2010.0 Dec 25 16:34:51 debian gives me that error too but I don’t remember which version is installed Dec 25 16:35:10 (the one that’s provided in squeeze) Dec 25 16:37:19 if someone get it working, I’d be more than happy to know which version of bluez/syncevolution you are using Dec 25 16:39:24 (got 1.0beta2 on debian actually) Dec 25 16:43:06 Am I missing something or has the latest FireFox started leaking memory again? Dec 25 16:45:01 Maybe it's a new feature Dec 25 17:36:00 * alterego wonders if ISomeInterfaceName is frowned on in Qt code. Dec 25 18:01:33 I have a question Dec 25 18:01:47 due to a failing charger, my battery was completely depleted Dec 25 18:02:11 advanced power says 0:20 remaining and it beeped all the time Dec 25 18:02:29 69mAh left Dec 25 18:02:46 Jaffa: ping (and merry christmas?), :) Dec 25 18:02:55 how can I check how healthy the battery is? Dec 25 18:03:04 Merry christmas timeless :) Dec 25 18:03:09 (2h of charging says ~50% charged, 611mAh) Dec 25 18:03:15 alterego: N/A Dec 25 18:03:22 merry christmas you all ;) Dec 25 18:03:28 "Account blocked following excessive failed logins. Contact Nokia Care or " Dec 25 18:03:28 "your ISP." Dec 25 18:03:37 anyone have an opinion on that first sentence? Dec 25 18:04:45 :/ Dec 25 18:05:02 What account? Ovi or maemo.org? Dec 25 18:08:45 nokia messaging Dec 25 18:10:13 Hrm, interesting. Dec 25 18:10:32 I wonder what it has to do with your ISP :D Dec 25 18:11:55 satmd: 600mAh after 2h of charging? sounds odd Dec 25 18:12:16 ecept if you're charging from USB host Dec 25 18:13:14 alterego: nokia messaging can be provided by your isp Dec 25 18:15:06 Oh Dec 25 18:18:39 yeah, and batterygraph didn't update for 2 hours, then manually Dec 25 18:18:46 an instant rise 61->611 Dec 25 18:19:03 Ive been trying to use aircrack to test my network security but im having problems using the program Dec 25 18:19:12 yes, usb host Dec 25 18:19:13 anyone know of a good tutorial Dec 25 18:21:49 http://www.aircrack-ng.org/doku.php?id=getting_started Dec 25 18:22:06 Thanks Doc Dec 25 18:23:19 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 25 18:23:30 finnish subtitles *suck* Dec 25 18:23:53 a guy goes through a line "You say , I say " Dec 25 18:24:21 and the subtitles distinguish Dec 25 18:25:11 s/subtitles/subtitles *don't*/ Dec 25 18:25:12 timeless_mbp meant: and the subtitles *don't* distinguish Dec 25 18:28:29 Dec 25 18:28:35 thanks Dec 25 18:29:47 right Dec 25 18:29:53 so, i need to make a binary patch Dec 25 18:29:56 is sed binary safe? Dec 25 18:30:37 yes, mostly Dec 25 19:22:17 DocScrutinizer: ping Dec 25 19:22:17 #!/usr/bin/perl Dec 25 19:22:17 ODSPATH=/usr/lib/modest/mail-plugins/libodsplugin.so Dec 25 19:22:17 sed -i 's/%I:%M %p/%l:%M %P/' $ODSPATH Dec 25 19:22:17 exit 0 Dec 25 19:22:17 * timeless_mbp isn't quite sure when to do that Dec 25 19:22:17 in theory it should be done any time there's a chance that the file in question has changed Dec 25 19:23:46 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 25 19:30:14 timeless_mbp, what exactly is that for? Dec 25 19:30:21 the plugin that is Dec 25 19:30:40 "nokia messaging" Dec 25 19:30:44 it's for giving me headaches Dec 25 19:31:34 and why perl? looks like sh to me Dec 25 19:32:15 oh heh Dec 25 19:32:33 i changed my mind about how i want to do it Dec 25 19:37:24 Heh Dec 25 19:39:09 right, so, assume it said #!sh Dec 25 19:42:15 timeless_mbp, grep it for the string, if it returns true, sed it, if not, do nothing Dec 25 19:42:28 MohammadAG: alright Dec 25 19:42:29 I think modest sends a signal every time there's a refresh Dec 25 19:42:40 ? Dec 25 19:42:57 is the grep valid in the form grep X > /dev/null && ? Dec 25 19:43:26 dagnamit Dec 25 19:44:21 DocScrutinizer does it like this in his starhash-enabler package Dec 25 19:44:21 if ! grep "\[supplementary\]" /home/user/.osso/call-ui.ini >/dev/null 2>&1; Dec 25 19:44:21 #if file doesn't exist or doesn't contain the easter egg Dec 25 19:45:29 so I guess grep "%I:%M %p" $ODSPATH 2>&1 /dev/null should do it Dec 25 19:46:25 Hrm Dec 25 19:46:29 signal sender=:1.273 -> dest=(null destination) serial=270 path=/com/nokia/modest; interface=com.nokia.modest; member=folder_updated Dec 25 19:46:31 string "Nokia MessagingID_store" Dec 25 19:46:31 string "inbox" Dec 25 19:46:46 MohammadAG: wait Dec 25 19:46:52 do you *use* nokia messaging? Dec 25 19:47:13 are extended batteries for laptops worth it? Dec 25 19:47:13 yes, I do Dec 25 19:50:36 MohammadAG: can i get you to try a package at some point? Dec 25 19:50:39 (it isn't ready yet) Dec 25 19:50:55 * timeless_mbp frowns Dec 25 19:51:13 yeah sure Dec 25 19:51:16 cool Dec 25 19:51:50 MohammadAG: I've got an extended battery for my laptop Dec 25 19:51:52 Hello! Why doesn't maemo's picture viewer doesn't keep "custom folder" for next start of the application too? Dec 25 19:52:13 But I the original battery failed quite bad so I thought if I'm gonna buy one I might as well get the higher capacity. Dec 25 19:52:16 I don't want it to show "All images" at every start. Dec 25 19:52:22 And I'm really happy, I get about 3-4 hours now. Dec 25 19:52:38 Maybe more, but generally I'm quite a hard user. Dec 25 19:52:58 Ex-Opesa: because the ui designers were stupid Dec 25 19:53:07 and the engineers follow orders to the letter Dec 25 19:53:33 Ex-Opesa: you might be able to use a command line to start it to something else... Dec 25 19:53:40 depending on how friendly the engineers were Dec 25 19:53:56 you can for instance open image viewer to a certain image Dec 25 19:54:06 timeless_mbp: Is there any other way? maybe like some edit of config files throught nano? I really don't want it to show my "all images" at start... :/ Dec 25 19:54:17 Yeah Dec 25 19:54:47 That annoys me too .. Dec 25 19:54:50 sorry, i don't feel like checking Dec 25 19:54:58 maybe you can trick alterego into poking around :) Dec 25 19:55:06 * timeless_mbp needs to hunt for some packages :( Dec 25 19:55:12 there's a way to open images via DBus, indeed Dec 25 19:56:06 I found a relevant thread to my question. ^ http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=39455 Dec 25 19:58:50 Salam alaikum MohammadAG Dec 25 19:58:54 god I hate my internet connection Dec 25 19:59:11 o/ :) Dec 25 19:59:18 keep it english in here, feel free to PM me Dec 25 19:59:33 Okay. =) Dec 25 20:03:10 I want to define an interface for my logging system. Dec 25 20:03:32 But my interface requires signals/slots from Qt, which means I have to inherit from QObject, thus breaking all of reality. Dec 25 20:08:50 * MohammadAG lols @ #2 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67441 Dec 25 20:11:18 MohammadAG: hahaha Dec 25 20:11:18 yeah thats pretty funny Dec 25 20:12:04 where can i get latest version of firmware from? Dec 25 20:12:14 http://wiki.maemo.org/Maemo_UK_variant_firmware - doesn't have it :( Dec 25 20:13:26 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Dec 25 20:14:06 ty :D Dec 25 20:14:14 easier way then havig to open phone though ;( Dec 25 20:15:18 havig issues with phone and it keeps losing contact detial in txts e.g i send txt all ok go back into txt and it says delivery failed no sms data and then there is no number etc Dec 25 20:16:07 somoene said do factory reset? Dec 25 20:16:13 or is it known bug? any ideas MohammadAG? Dec 25 20:18:09 no idea tbh Dec 25 20:22:52 MohammadAG did u reply :( connection timed out :( Dec 25 20:24:01 no idea tbh Dec 25 20:24:01 I'd just clear the databases (IM ones) Dec 25 20:24:01 no idea? Dec 25 20:24:01 how Dec 25 20:24:11 well, backup first Dec 25 20:24:15 yup Dec 25 20:24:16 then just rm /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db Dec 25 20:27:08 can i do that through the brosing to phone from pc as not got ssh etc installed on it Dec 25 20:28:11 just open terminal and type in rm .rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db Dec 25 20:28:19 use tab to autocomplete filenames, it's not that long :P Dec 25 20:30:16 lol :) Dec 25 20:32:17 hey. any idea why the conversation/sms app wont show names from my contact list, abnd just numbers? Dec 25 20:32:21 beford: typically a number is listed in multiple contacts Dec 25 20:32:31 the app is like pavlov's dog Dec 25 20:32:33 it can't decide Dec 25 20:33:11 also, technically if you have two contacts whose number has the same last digits (8?) it thinks they're "the same" for comparison purposes Dec 25 20:33:22 MohammadAG forgot u could do that :p Dec 25 20:33:27 Yeah, it's 5 Dec 25 20:33:49 oh I think that's it, I restored contacts from my sim and then restored them from ovi so I have some duplicates, going to merge Dec 25 20:38:38 MohammadAG says file don't exist , i try to cd to /home/usr but says access denied :S Dec 25 20:39:12 umm Dec 25 20:39:17 do it as user, not as root Dec 25 20:40:03 ovi stores contacts? :) Dec 25 20:40:49 su user = must be suid to work properly, WTF Dec 25 20:41:26 @FireStorm: You need to set the setuid bit afaik Dec 25 20:41:31 i wish docs to go would save in open formats Dec 25 20:41:38 to use in openoffice Dec 25 20:42:01 and that a bt keyboard actually worked correctly on my n900 Dec 25 20:42:10 I have some kind of annoying problem now. I can't close the main menu when I touch free space. Does anyone knows how to solve this? Dec 25 20:42:25 OEXPL how lol i'm new to this :p Dec 25 20:43:25 First, gain root Dec 25 20:44:13 how lol Dec 25 20:44:13 then chmod u+s [file], so for example in your case: chmod u+s /bin/su Dec 25 20:44:26 install rootsh Dec 25 20:44:48 can u do it from the shell? Dec 25 20:45:16 sorry for all th questions :( Dec 25 20:45:27 now, At the moment you can't (because you can't become root ironic). You need to do this over the app programm manager. Dec 25 20:45:32 *no Dec 25 20:45:37 lol Dec 25 20:45:47 of course silly me no root from shell = no room Dec 25 20:46:08 well i'm shit out of luck as i got no 3rg and no wireless Dec 25 20:47:17 stop that NONSENSE! Dec 25 20:47:29 FireStorm|: type "id" Dec 25 20:47:38 you ARE user "user" Dec 25 20:47:51 yes he is Dec 25 20:47:58 no su user needed Dec 25 20:48:03 thats correct Dec 25 20:48:05 no gainroot needed Dec 25 20:48:13 so why can't i cd /home/user then Dec 25 20:48:34 rm /home/user/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db Dec 25 20:48:36 cause i'm in it :p Dec 25 20:48:39 DocScrutinizer, related to what? Dec 25 20:49:23 nvm Dec 25 20:50:04 no such directory Dec 25 20:50:16 how do u list on this phone i know unix / linus is ls Dec 25 20:50:33 FireStorm|: you tried to cd /home/usr Dec 25 20:50:33 usr != user Dec 25 20:50:33 not sure why Dec 25 20:50:44 it seems that 3 letter words are not the same as 4 letter words Dec 25 20:51:17 really inconvenient, we know Dec 25 20:51:17 no i don't Dec 25 20:51:19 no ididn't Dec 25 20:51:21 no i didn't :p Dec 25 20:51:21 sorry the xmas brandy has got to my head Dec 25 20:51:21 [10:36pm] MohammadAG says file don't exist , i try to cd to /home/usr but says access denied :S Dec 25 20:51:25 i know Dec 25 20:51:28 i wrote it Dec 25 20:51:40 but i didn't type it in the shell Dec 25 20:51:40 :p Dec 25 20:51:40 but well spotted :) Dec 25 20:51:51 rm /u TAB /ho TAB :p Dec 25 20:53:38 very strange Dec 25 20:53:49 spelt right i can cd into folder n delete file :D Dec 25 20:53:49 haha Dec 25 20:54:32 i so need to sort out the wireless ap Dec 25 20:55:28 FUCKING OVI :@ Dec 25 20:56:33 told it to sync so it deleted my contacts from ovi :( Dec 25 20:57:31 that sounds like the rihgt thing to do Dec 25 20:58:44 :@ Dec 25 20:59:09 grrr MohammadAG not fixed it :( Dec 25 20:59:23 just sent a contact a txt and itdoesn't show up as a txt on phone Dec 25 20:59:30 but i know it's sent cause i get a reply Dec 25 20:59:41 i come out fo reply and go back into it and it has no contact info againest it Dec 25 21:00:02 i deleted all contacts on phone, all txt's and that file Dec 25 21:00:58 ne one ne ideas :( Dec 25 21:04:06 fooking net :( Dec 25 21:04:15 just sent a contact a txt and itdoesn't show up as a txt on phone Dec 25 21:04:24 i come out fo reply and go back into it and it has no contact info againest it Dec 25 21:04:32 i deleted all contacts on phone, all txt's and that file Dec 25 21:04:53 dunno if ne one rpeluied as i dropped connection :( Dec 25 21:07:44 DocScrutinizer, timeless_mbp, OEXPL ne ideas? Dec 25 21:07:55 i'm busy :) Dec 25 21:08:49 :( Dec 25 21:08:55 must have a idea? Dec 25 21:09:43 me too atm, sorry Dec 25 21:12:00 ;( Dec 25 21:14:02 hm Dec 25 21:15:11 FireStorm|: enjoy your brandy - come back here with your problem when you're sober again. It's a bad idea to tackle new subtle problems when not even typing works right. And also please try to type more orthographically correct then. 7331 speak not appreciated here Dec 25 21:19:56 DocScrutinizer it was a general question as in is it a known bug or is it randdom, i havn't drunk enough to worry about the brandy!!! and 1337 speak? Dec 25 21:20:52 FireFly: there are several reports about broken sms storing in PR1.3 Dec 25 21:21:20 there's also a ticket about that in bugs.maemo.org Dec 25 21:21:23 thanks Dec 25 21:21:32 to be fair i haven't looked, I just come straight on here :( Dec 25 21:21:52 it did it before i just deleted the contact and it was ok Dec 25 21:21:54 s/FireFly/FireStorm|/ Dec 25 21:22:17 oops sorry FireFly Dec 25 21:22:26 Heh, Dec 25 21:22:37 I'll survive :P Dec 25 21:22:52 i thought DocScrutinizer was taking the piss lol! Dec 25 21:23:42 DocScrutinizer: ne news on a fix then as it's annoying! Dec 25 21:24:33 sorry I'm not in the mood to look it up right atm either :-) Dec 25 21:24:50 ;( Dec 25 21:24:55 the ticket in bmo has a workaround Dec 25 21:24:56 not even on xmas day Dec 25 21:25:04 ah ok Dec 25 21:25:35 hi Venemo_N900 Dec 25 21:27:00 hi guys Dec 25 21:27:05 hello MohammadAG :) Dec 25 21:27:59 what's up? Dec 25 21:28:37 nothing much, just updating windows on the desktop Dec 25 21:28:47 hell Venemo_N900 Dec 25 21:28:48 o Dec 25 21:28:56 hi FireStorm| Dec 25 21:29:16 no idea who u r but eveyrone saying hi lol :D Dec 25 21:29:26 hehe :) Dec 25 21:30:45 question, my keyboard doesn't allways light up when i open screen? Dec 25 21:31:04 dunno Dec 25 21:31:13 mce, or kernel-power Dec 25 21:31:14 it's anoying Dec 25 21:31:16 well Dec 25 21:31:22 cause during the day it lights up Dec 25 21:31:28 at night when i really need it, it don't! Dec 25 21:31:45 when the ambient light sensor detects enough light, it doesn't turn on keyboard lights Dec 25 21:32:20 eoe Dec 25 21:32:20 wow Dec 25 21:32:29 i didn't know that! Dec 25 21:33:00 also, when you don't fully open the device (eg. only halfway), it doesn't turn on the keyboard lights either Dec 25 21:33:42 btw FireStorm| if you dunno who I am, check out http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67139 :P Dec 25 21:35:36 ah cool :d Dec 25 21:35:42 :D * Dec 25 21:35:50 (kbd light) yeah, friggin mce Dec 25 21:36:05 i guess u can adjust it? so the light's allways on Dec 25 21:36:09 but then batt life isn't the best :( Dec 25 21:36:21 another reason why mce MUST be opened Dec 25 21:36:43 mce is a piece o' crap afaik Dec 25 21:36:58 FireStorm|: nope. mce has no config for kbd light afaik Dec 25 21:37:06 :( Dec 25 21:37:07 I think we can categorize all reasons under "It's retarded" DocScrutinizer-8 Dec 25 21:37:16 well thats crap Dec 25 21:37:35 check /etc/mce/mce.ini just be sure Dec 25 21:37:48 but on a plus note, i've had the phone since march, and i've only ever seen one person with it! Dec 25 21:37:59 MohammadAG: i know that file by heart now Dec 25 21:38:18 DocScrutinizer-8, how many lines is it? :P Dec 25 21:38:31 lemme count Dec 25 21:38:37 ha! Dec 25 21:38:41 hmm i tried deleting /home/user/.mozilla/rtcom n it didn't have it Dec 25 21:38:45 my memory has no line numbers Dec 25 21:40:18 let me guess, when my phone rings and it's "locked" it doesn't flash up it just stays dark, ne fix for that or jut shit out of luck? Dec 25 21:42:14 timeless_mbp: pong (and merryish hanukah(sp)) Dec 25 21:42:25 Jaffa: that was early dec, but thanks :) Dec 25 21:42:34 DocScrutinizer-8: ta. May skip MWKN this week Dec 25 21:42:38 Jaffa: so, i'm trying for a christmas update to my strings Dec 25 21:42:41 timeless_mbp: right month ;) Dec 25 21:42:55 Jaffa: np Dec 25 21:43:12 hrm Dec 25 21:43:14 hey Dec 25 21:43:25 how does one deal with divergent package versions? Dec 25 21:43:37 wtf is ne? Dec 25 21:43:57 ~dict ne Dec 25 21:44:02 Dictionary 'ne' (1 of 8): \ne\ (n[=e]), adv. [AS. ne. See {No}.] Not; never. [Obs.] [1913 Webster] He never yet no villany ne said. --Chaucer. [1913 Webster] Note: Ne was formerly used as the universal adverb of negation, and survives in certain compounds, as never (= ne ever) and none (= ne one). Other combinations, now obsolete, will be found in the Vocabulary, as nad, nam, nil. See {Negative}, 2. [1913 Webster]. Dec 25 21:44:38 so is mce the kernel so to speak Dec 25 21:44:56 no, the kernel is the Linux kernel Dec 25 21:45:09 wooohooo unsolicited reboot with new battery on N810 :-S Dec 25 21:45:42 ok Dec 25 21:45:50 i'm learning Venemo_N900 sorry for dumb quetions! Dec 25 21:46:04 np FireStorm| :) Dec 25 21:46:12 questions* Dec 25 21:47:03 hmm i think it's time to go have a little read up so i understand abit more about the phone :) Dec 25 21:47:18 FireStorm|: ps ax|grep mce Dec 25 21:47:19 you ask your "dumb" questions in a rather polite way (compared to some individuals who come here), so no problem Dec 25 21:48:09 haha Venemo_N900, i work in i.t myself and i know how some dumb questions come across when you know it all! Dec 25 21:48:21 :) Dec 25 21:48:37 what area do you work in? Dec 25 21:48:54 another dumb question is there no | and < on the k/b/ Dec 25 21:49:42 there's a blue arrow called "Fn" key. Fn+ctrl gives you a symbol table. Dec 25 21:50:02 well atm i'm doing shitty data entry for about 2 half thousand users i AD / notes / EXCHANGE till early next year but then i move over to senior service desk bod doing log and flog / but training the others to move away from that and do more 1st / 2nd line fix Dec 25 21:50:16 nice :) Dec 25 21:50:17 ah i knew the FN key but never knew you could pull the table up Dec 25 21:50:52 cause the 3 on the team are useless and know sweet FA about i.t and were just dumped into the job so they wasn't sacked! Dec 25 21:51:06 this is why there is a blue "sym" caption on the ctrl key Dec 25 21:51:47 :D lol Dec 25 21:51:56 i can't see that, the keyboard light isn't on Dec 25 21:52:00 i have really bad eye site :( Dec 25 21:52:02 sight* Dec 25 21:52:12 :( Dec 25 21:52:27 turn on the light in the room you're in Dec 25 21:52:41 it is on lol Dec 25 21:52:46 don't make a difference :( Dec 25 21:52:46 oh Dec 25 21:52:51 sorry then Dec 25 21:52:55 thats the only thing i don't like about the phone lol Dec 25 21:53:01 hm Dec 25 21:53:08 on screen kb would be ideal :) Dec 25 21:53:19 there is one, but not so good Dec 25 21:53:31 yer i know :p Dec 25 21:53:38 hene a on screen kb would be ideal Dec 25 21:54:09 on screen kb = setting/text input/use virtual keyboard Dec 25 21:54:11 -msgstr "Sent from my Nokia N900 using Nokia Messaging" Dec 25 21:54:11 +msgstr "Sent from my mobile computer using Nokia Messaging" Dec 25 21:54:14 Jaffa: *sob* Dec 25 21:54:16 (I type on the hw keyboard about 10 times faster than that though) Dec 25 21:54:46 yer typing on the keyboard i'm not to bad like sending txts etc, but it's using sym' etc i struggle with Dec 25 21:55:24 well you can enable the virtual keyboard to see how it works for you Dec 25 21:55:32 DocScrutinizer why was i doing that/ Dec 25 21:55:47 yer that for a day when i'm not on the brandy and not xmas day :p Dec 25 21:58:13 wow Dec 25 21:58:16 that is big i like Dec 25 21:58:21 be ok if ur using pen to tap away Dec 25 21:59:00 mhm Dec 25 21:59:18 i suppoe it's like uing a i phone then :( Dec 25 21:59:48 i dunno Dec 25 21:59:50 worse, I think capacitive screens are supposed to be better with text input on screen keyboards. Dec 25 22:00:22 they not to bad to type on i got fat ish fingers and they seem alot better then the black berrys i hate them Dec 25 22:00:54 right i'll be back in 10 :) Dec 25 22:05:19 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 25 22:05:28 ok, is it "Nokia N900" or "Nokia n900" ? Dec 25 22:06:02 it says N900 on the cover. Dec 25 22:06:34 ah Dec 25 22:06:37 thatbetter :D Dec 25 22:06:46 ? Dec 25 22:06:49 bbc 1 if your in the uk :D Dec 25 22:07:02 urm up in the flat now :) proper tv and decent laptop :D Dec 25 22:07:10 timeless_mbp: capital N afaik Dec 25 22:07:12 Venemo_N900 what u work as then? Dec 25 22:07:19 thanks, *sigh* Dec 25 22:07:21 LOL, now KDE system monitor on a different machine got a segfault Dec 25 22:08:07 FireStorm|: I was working as a .Net developer. my contract ended on dec 15th, so now I can devote myself to university :) Dec 25 22:08:23 :D cool Dec 25 22:08:33 ..while sitting there idle in the background Dec 25 22:08:50 lol DocScrutinizer Dec 25 22:10:13 FireStorm|: I have my first year in electronic engineering Dec 25 22:10:23 ah very nice :) Dec 25 22:11:54 Venemo_N900: hey colleague :-D Dec 25 22:12:21 hi DocScrutinizer :) Dec 25 22:12:45 DocScrutinizer: let's hope one day you can really call me that Dec 25 22:17:39 hi Dec 25 22:22:35 hi pradeep Dec 25 22:23:08 Venemo_N900, how was your day Dec 25 22:23:22 not bad, thanks for asking Dec 25 22:23:52 hm. I think I broke maegirls. Installing via the SDK worked fine. Installing on the N900 with the AppManager GUI didn't. apt-get install maegirls, however, worked. Weird. Dec 25 22:27:01 hi Dec 25 22:27:49 i trying to crosscompile some apps for maemo, it does compile but one lib.so missing Dec 25 22:27:50 sairs, hi Dec 25 22:27:59 it only creates .ar file Dec 25 22:28:14 i would need to preload this so but can i do this with the .a? Dec 25 22:31:26 Venemo_N900, grr Dec 25 22:31:35 what's up lcuk? Dec 25 22:31:42 fMMS is slow :( Dec 25 22:31:44 you just left as I was typing to you Dec 25 22:31:53 oh, sry Dec 25 22:31:58 will rejoin Dec 25 22:32:32 j,, Dec 25 22:32:34 hmm Dec 25 22:34:01 grr, can i haz working wifi? Dec 25 22:39:29 whatever maegirls might be. I could only think of missing or surplus repos in HAM Dec 25 22:40:06 lcuk: merry xmas Dec 25 22:44:06 fMMS only supports 1.0? Dec 25 22:45:32 1.0 what? Dec 25 22:46:06 MMS-Version 1.0, while my friends sends MMS-Version 1.2 Dec 25 22:46:50 i was just wondering, not complaining :P Dec 25 22:47:22 I ran xsnow a couple of days ago on the N900... since then I'm busy shoveling snow in front of the house... bad mistake Dec 25 22:47:51 CutMeOwnThroat, lol Dec 25 22:47:58 funny Dec 25 22:48:53 comawhite: you could probably file a bug w/ sample data Dec 25 22:49:25 where would I file a bug at for this? Dec 25 22:49:31 * SpeedEvil wonders if the person lurking in the channel is awake. Dec 25 22:49:43 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10714 Dec 25 22:49:45 Bug 10714: FMMS not working Dec 25 22:49:52 seems to indicate there's an fMMS product Dec 25 22:49:55 thank you :) Dec 25 22:49:56 thus that seems like a good choice Dec 25 22:51:04 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 25 22:52:30 * timeless_mbp lost a battery Dec 25 22:52:44 how you lose a battery? Dec 25 22:53:04 * comawhite always loses his stylus Dec 25 22:53:06 xD Dec 25 22:53:30 dropping it on a messy floor works :) Dec 25 22:53:52 :P Dec 25 22:53:59 time to clean Dec 25 22:54:18 right, so... Dec 25 22:54:24 people who have opinions about strings Dec 25 22:54:43 there are three ways to download a message: Dec 25 22:54:48 Dec 25 22:54:54 Dec 25 22:54:58 Dec 25 22:55:19 this means that i need 4 strings, those three, plus one to describe what those things are Dec 25 22:55:27 fooking sms problem doing my nut in :@ Dec 25 22:55:55 opinions? Jaffa ? MohammadAG ? Venemo_N900 / SwedeMike ? Dec 25 22:56:04 my only grip about mms is the slowness of sending a message (t-mobile issue I'm assuming) Dec 25 22:56:17 it's a crappy protocol Dec 25 22:56:21 "Download" = "Full Message", "Headers Only" Dec 25 22:56:23 solving a problem that mostly doesn't exist Dec 25 22:56:30 Or "Preview" maybe Dec 25 22:56:37 For the partial Dec 25 22:56:40 alterego: hrm, that sounds good Dec 25 22:56:42 sold Dec 25 22:57:46 :( Dec 25 22:58:21 * FireStorm| lobs his phone out the window and pulls the G1 out the draw! Dec 25 22:58:54 FireStorm|: i'll give you 1USD for it Dec 25 22:58:58 +shipping Dec 25 22:59:06 * timeless_mbp could use another n900 Dec 25 22:59:10 lol Dec 25 22:59:20 no!!!! unless u take on the 18 month contract? Dec 25 22:59:30 some people don't know how to appreciate a good product :) Dec 25 22:59:31 is it even worth 1 us? Dec 25 22:59:37 to me? sure Dec 25 22:59:37 i need a new n900, the usb cable sucks balls Dec 25 22:59:46 comawhite: details? Dec 25 22:59:47 i barely touch the phone and it disconnects Dec 25 22:59:52 timeless_mbp i like it alot but the SMS "issue" is annoying me Dec 25 23:00:10 comawhite yer that is a issue on mine, my phone charger don't seem to like it very much but usb is spot on :S Dec 25 23:00:10 comawhite: err, yeah, buy FireStorm| 's Dec 25 23:00:19 or not Dec 25 23:00:24 but then i use chager on other phone and works spot on Dec 25 23:00:26 :p Dec 25 23:00:32 work that one out Dec 25 23:00:39 please be careful, the usb port on the n900 is um... delicate Dec 25 23:00:42 :) Dec 25 23:00:45 FireStorm|, yeah I spend like 10 minutes getting it to show up in Windows 7 Dec 25 23:00:56 that windows 7 fr u :p Dec 25 23:01:03 same thing in Linux Dec 25 23:01:06 I'd definitely give 200 for a used N900 with no "charging issues" or other hw problems Dec 25 23:01:10 thats called piss ;p Dec 25 23:01:21 I get "Insufficient power" Dec 25 23:01:22 ShadowJK it don't have any charging issues Dec 25 23:01:33 i just think the charger don't like it lol Dec 25 23:01:44 comawhite, that's your laptop/underpowered\ desktop for you Dec 25 23:01:58 how is it underpowering :S Dec 25 23:02:02 FireStorm|, no that sounds exactly like a loose usb port :-) Dec 25 23:02:08 it's about to fall off Dec 25 23:02:12 both are plugged in to the wall (both laptop and desktop) Dec 25 23:02:15 MohammadAG i get that at work, plugged in all day, unplug phone go to lunch come back n plug it back in and get the error Dec 25 23:02:30 ShadowJK nar lol!!!! if it falls off it goes back for repair :) Dec 25 23:02:41 FireStorm|, if I get it to work, I have no problems afterwards as long as I don't move it Dec 25 23:02:47 grr Dec 25 23:02:53 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 25 23:02:54 merging sucks Dec 25 23:03:06 fucking nitdroid won't work Dec 25 23:03:06 git Dec 25 23:03:13 lol comawhite sounds like ur up shit greek with out a padell Dec 25 23:03:19 I need to bring mine back for repairs, the phone part seems to have desoldered itself or come loose, but I need to buy a second one first as backup to use for the 2 week trip to nokia care. Dec 25 23:03:27 paddle? Dec 25 23:03:31 thats the one! Dec 25 23:03:35 ;D Dec 25 23:03:49 sorry i'm trying to watch a film, lean down and type on keyboard lol Dec 25 23:03:53 I wonder if this phone as a warrenty on it or not Dec 25 23:04:13 You can enter the IMEI into nokia care site and it tells you Dec 25 23:04:29 also I need to call simplemobile to get my phone number changed, I got like 6 SMS's from people I don't know Dec 25 23:04:39 i've cracked 3 screens so far :D Dec 25 23:04:49 how the fuck you do that? Dec 25 23:05:05 1st one Dec 25 23:05:14 i lost my temper and it hit a wall! Dec 25 23:05:34 2nd one, i think i had it in pocket climbed into a car n caught the door latch Dec 25 23:05:36 happens a lot, does it? Dec 25 23:05:38 3rd time i have no idea! Dec 25 23:05:59 it was in pocket i got out car and walked like 2 mins down the road adn it was cracked Dec 25 23:06:08 I meant 1) Dec 25 23:06:16 * timeless_mbp hates merging Dec 25 23:06:18 by car phone warehouse are wanka nd don't cover for it even though u can see no acutal damage to the screen Dec 25 23:06:37 oh lol CutMeOwnThroat nar i was annoyed at something, so unimportant i can't remeber what lol Dec 25 23:07:03 actually also ruined a camera I had in my pocket running into the rail of stairs... really dangerous having stuff in front-trouser pockets Dec 25 23:07:10 FireStorm|, and nokia had no problem replacing it for you? Dec 25 23:07:43 nope Dec 25 23:07:46 insurance Dec 25 23:07:52 i had to pay excess Dec 25 23:07:54 :( Dec 25 23:07:57 firs ttime they done it Dec 25 23:08:25 2 weeks later pic just went off so took it back and they sent it off to nokia n repaired it, think they damaged the lcd cable... Dec 25 23:08:27 FireStorm|: I really can not parse your sentences :-( Dec 25 23:08:52 DocScrutinizer, it's hard to read the english written by native english speakers :) Dec 25 23:08:58 :'( Dec 25 23:09:09 i'm sorry Dec 25 23:09:12 lol Dec 25 23:09:27 I'm just amazed crashanddie hasn't already kicked you, as he did with much more prominent and busy users (raster) Dec 25 23:09:46 i'm sorry for not speaking proper english! Dec 25 23:09:58 + , some where in there :p Dec 25 23:10:09 DocScrutinizer, have you seen austin powers movies, not dubbed? Dec 25 23:10:26 just avoiding "u", "en", and weird syntax, would help a lot Dec 25 23:10:32 lol Dec 25 23:10:53 it's just i'm used to typing like that!!! no idea why cause I don't txt using txt speach :S Dec 25 23:11:02 I said it before, too 7331 speak isn't really appreciated Dec 25 23:11:04 maybe i'm getting lazy in my old age! :p Dec 25 23:11:09 also see Dec 25 23:11:12 ~question Dec 25 23:11:13 somebody said question was If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Dec 25 23:11:58 fsck your 'old age', If you wre older then me you'd not be on IRC Dec 25 23:12:04 where are you from then DocScrutinizer? Dec 25 23:12:15 SOL3 Dec 25 23:13:24 and I can read and understand ~45 languages of this planet. Some of them even spoken by a significant number of other 'normal' human beings Dec 25 23:13:38 yet I have problems to parse your postings Dec 25 23:13:46 45? :-) Dec 25 23:14:08 If you count in dialects like C++ vs C# etc, then yes Dec 25 23:15:00 i'm quiet surprised at that DocScrutinizer i've never had any one complain about the way i put a sentence together! Dec 25 23:15:17 what about tlhIngan Hol? :-) Dec 25 23:15:47 Not fluently Dec 25 23:16:09 lol Dec 25 23:16:48 Last election, a candidate for parliament had his website translated to that :) Dec 25 23:17:21 ShadowJK, you from the uk ? Dec 25 23:17:27 No Dec 25 23:17:36 hmm ok Dec 25 23:31:52 actually you'd be amazed at the age of some people you meet on irc Dec 25 23:34:31 CutMeOwnThroat, elaborate :P Dec 25 23:35:22 that was it already :) Dec 25 23:37:34 well, on people like MohammadAG I'm really amazed how reasonable they are despite their young age. Other than that I think it's hard to puzzle me on age of users Dec 25 23:38:16 :D Dec 25 23:38:56 :( crap network.com Dec 25 23:40:31 MohammadAG - that sms issue is annoying Dec 25 23:40:33 lol Dec 25 23:40:51 rebooted phone, deleted contact got like 20 msgs from said contact, txt back and now seems ok but with no contact name just number. Dec 25 23:40:57 I'm not on irc sooo long and I've seen people of ages roughly between .. 14 and 62 Dec 25 23:41:16 * MohammadAG 's 17 Dec 25 23:41:21 * FireStorm| is 26 :d Dec 25 23:42:00 :D Dec 25 23:42:02 :) Dec 25 23:42:10 * CutMeOwnThroat is older than both but younger than the sum of ages Dec 25 23:42:14 no need to elaborate! Dec 25 23:42:26 im 24 Dec 25 23:42:40 * lcuk wonders why people use PM on christmas day for bug questions Dec 25 23:42:45 hi DocScrutinizer btw Dec 25 23:43:08 lcuk, too dumb to ask in a channel Dec 25 23:43:10 lcuk: o/ Dec 25 23:43:25 comawhite, its not even that Dec 25 23:43:32 thats why I use /mode +g blocks them from pming you Dec 25 23:44:06 nahh i tend to allow by default but i might Dec 25 23:44:08 blocking PMs isn't a nice thing :P Dec 25 23:44:23 shouldn't be pmingyou for support Dec 25 23:44:33 thats why they have a channel for that stuff Dec 25 23:44:52 true, but what if you want to tell the person something that might be negative for him on a channel Dec 25 23:44:56 * DocScrutinizer moans at +o Dec 25 23:45:20 the big O Dec 25 23:46:19 * FireStorm| can't stop laughing at starsky and hutch!!! it's so funny but yet so crap! Dec 25 23:46:27 actually +votriA Dec 25 23:46:46 not the big one Dec 25 23:47:30 hmm Dec 25 23:47:39 any one watching the cricket? Dec 25 23:48:15 good night guys Dec 25 23:48:19 grasshoppers? in winter?! Dec 25 23:48:24 night Venemo_N900 Dec 25 23:48:47 haha cricket! Dec 25 23:49:08 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 25 23:49:10 also depends where in the world you are, it might not be -19 degrees like it is here :( Dec 25 23:49:15 * timeless_mbp reversed above and below :( Dec 25 23:49:41 * MohammadAG sighs with timeless_mbp Dec 25 23:49:43 * CutMeOwnThroat maliciously reverses timeless_mbp Dec 25 23:49:57 3+ hours trying to get delegates working like I want them to Dec 25 23:50:16 And? Dec 25 23:50:27 FireStorm|, ps, read the bug report you asked me to look at, users managed to find a workaround based on the comments I was not going to read tonight Dec 25 23:50:43 yer i read it and tried it and it dind't work :( Dec 25 23:50:43 * timeless_mbp sighs Dec 25 23:50:45 didn't* Dec 25 23:50:48 * timeless_mbp has so many things to fix Dec 25 23:50:53 alterego, I broke my whole example :P Dec 25 23:51:03 * DocScrutinizer starts to get angry on 192.168.0.89 src packets on his 192.168.1.30/26 network Dec 25 23:51:05 timeless_mbp, wanna learn how to ride a unicycle with me instead? Dec 25 23:51:07 text ended up over each other Dec 25 23:51:11 no thanks Dec 25 23:51:33 lcuk, import bicycleriding Dec 25 23:51:34 where are your broken things? Dec 25 23:51:45 lcuk: tiny hg repo Dec 25 23:51:55 i keep forgetting to cross some en_GBs Dec 25 23:51:57 has to be external brainfsck from a misconf'd machine on same DSL-multiplexer Dec 25 23:51:57 MohammadAG, i already did bicycle riding Dec 25 23:52:06 unicycle is differenter Dec 25 23:52:22 lcuk, import unicycleriding Dec 25 23:52:26 lcuk, http://xkcd.com/353/ :) Dec 25 23:52:44 :D Dec 25 23:53:09 * lcuk slides over a chocolate bar to timeless_mbp Dec 25 23:53:15 thank Dec 25 23:53:15 s Dec 25 23:53:34 I lol'd http://xkcd.com/838/ Dec 25 23:54:15 heh Dec 25 23:54:19 s./26./28. Dec 25 23:54:49 wikileaks released santas naughty list didn't they :( Dec 25 23:55:11 lcuk, did you check if you were on it? :P Dec 25 23:55:57 MohammadAG: interested in doing a new version of h-e-n next days? Dec 25 23:56:25 MohammadAG, i checked, but you and (speak of the devil) araujo were! Dec 25 23:56:42 Heh Dec 25 23:56:43 I think araujo got on it for crimes against bacon Dec 25 23:57:10 lcuk, *shrugs*, what did I do? :P Dec 25 23:57:34 hmm have they taken wikileaks down now? , i wanted to read it while at wok but "work" blocked it lol Dec 25 23:59:11 Okay, think I've finished this run of refactoring now. Dec 25 23:59:42 * lcuk starts his Dec 25 23:59:42 WUT? crimes against bacon?? Dec 25 23:59:45 I might actually be able to push this to gitorious tomorrow ^.^ Dec 25 23:59:54 burn him! Dec 26 00:00:45 http://bitsandpieces.us/wp-content/uploads/2010/11/imagesbacon-dispenser.jpg Dec 26 00:00:48 nahhh DocScrutinizer Dec 26 00:01:05 lol @ lcuk thats brillant! Dec 26 00:01:38 * lcuk nods Dec 26 00:02:01 i had my fill of pigs in blankets today Dec 26 00:02:10 * lcuk considers promoting them to main meal status Dec 26 00:02:25 Heh Dec 26 00:02:41 blankets? :-o Dec 26 00:03:35 * DocScrutinizer is cursing his strictly technical English Dec 26 00:03:51 I know what a blanket is, though Dec 26 00:04:07 http://maxcdn.fooyoh.com/files/attach/images/591/289/399/004/pigs-in-blankets.jpg Dec 26 00:04:10 just I think it's probably not quite tasty Dec 26 00:04:50 THIS looks tasty Dec 26 00:04:57 Well, it all seems to be working still :) Dec 26 00:05:00 lol lcuk, mum managed to bur them!!!! and i made her cook some new ones! Dec 26 00:05:17 tracy bought two packs a couple of weeks ago Dec 26 00:05:29 because she knew once I saw them I would want them cooking before xmas Dec 26 00:05:37 ended up with proper susages and proper bacon!!! Dec 26 00:05:43 haha brillant Dec 26 00:06:16 anyway, I shall go raid the fridge for some grub \o Dec 26 00:06:21 to be fair though it was the first time we cooked in new kitchen, all neff appliances. Induction hob, and 2 thermo somethign ovens! Dec 26 00:06:23 * DocScrutinizer frowns at the technically poor vacuum in his fridge Dec 26 00:09:41 MohammadAG: ?? Dec 26 00:10:02 DocScrutinizer, ? Dec 26 00:10:10 MohammadAG: interested in doing a new version of h-e-n next days? Dec 26 00:10:13 oh Dec 26 00:10:15 h-e-n Dec 26 00:10:26 Sure, I should fix the open filemanager option Dec 26 00:11:04 I'd like to augment some of the scripts, and even tackle the mount issue on a root level (udev) Dec 26 00:12:09 to start with, I have a better version of booston.sh collecting dust here since weeks Dec 26 00:13:24 * MohammadAG thinks he should update git Dec 26 00:15:07 h-e-n.git - a good plan to update that Dec 26 00:16:25 MohammadAG: I also have a few ideas about beautifying the GUI Dec 26 00:16:25 bloody wireless is so shit in this house :( Dec 26 00:17:15 FireStorm|: check AP channel - there might be lots of collisions or noise (microwave oven etc) Dec 26 00:17:47 switching e.g 1 -> 9 is sometimes doing miracles Dec 26 00:18:07 DocScrutinizer yer i know, i'm sat next ot it and it' says i got a weak signal! Dec 26 00:18:19 maybe time to do a firmware upgade, i think ti's about 8 years old! Dec 26 00:18:55 DocScrutinizer, concepts with paint accepted :P Dec 26 00:19:49 err? paint as in "our app needs more color"? or are you asking for drawings of the new GUI? Dec 26 00:20:12 an app that wants a gui drawn in paint is a failure!!!!!! Dec 26 00:20:30 paint is for when ur stuck at bored n you draw random pictures, not designing app gui's lol! Dec 26 00:20:59 paint is for home improvement Dec 26 00:21:07 lol Dec 26 00:21:08 DocScrutinizer, however you want to push your concepts :P Dec 26 00:21:46 *ABSTRACT* descriptions. I'll compose a formula in tex Dec 26 00:22:50 or maybe I like to have a bit of fun and get my hands dirty with Qt designer and C sourcecode Dec 26 00:23:46 the weird thing about Qt GUI: it's really hard to publish patches for that Dec 26 00:24:06 9,256 lines in Columbus. Dec 26 00:24:18 We need moar Dec 26 00:27:09 hmm bed or some GTA 4 Dec 26 00:27:29 * timeless_mbp curses Dec 26 00:27:34 this is so bloody annoying Dec 26 00:28:04 I so hate this piece of shit 8433 mohammad 20 0 304m 57m 16m S 38 1.5 12:31.21 npviewer.bin Dec 26 00:28:07 GTA04? man, there's not even been GTA03, except those 3 prototypes Dec 26 00:28:30 lol Dec 26 00:28:32 MohammadAG: what platform are you on? Dec 26 00:28:35 whatever npviever might be Dec 26 00:28:42 that' nppluginwrapper, Dec 26 00:28:43 http://www.gta4.net/ Dec 26 00:28:48 which is third party crap Dec 26 00:28:56 timeless_mbp, x64, ubuntu Dec 26 00:28:57 DocScrutinizer, flash Dec 26 00:29:18 DocScrutinizer: it's a plugin wrapper Dec 26 00:29:24 :d Dec 26 00:29:25 X-O°°°$ Dec 26 00:29:26 for idiots who insist on using a 64bit browser Dec 26 00:29:43 but i do know hwere ur coming from and red dead redeption is shit! Dec 26 00:29:44 * alterego coughs Dec 26 00:29:45 because having wider pointers really helps w/ browser perf Dec 26 00:30:12 YEAH Dec 26 00:30:21 I could believe that flash could easily use more than 4G Dec 26 00:30:28 timeless_mbp, it's not my fault the OS is x64 :P Dec 26 00:30:37 PETAbyte address range for framebuffer :-P Dec 26 00:30:41 timeless_mbp, well with 32 bit browser it crashes when it grows to 4G or so :-) Dec 26 00:30:42 MohammadAG: it's your fault for using a 64bit browser instead of a 32bit one Dec 26 00:30:47 of course... only way you can address all those tons of memory that a browser needs Dec 26 00:30:53 ShadowJK: generally 3gb Dec 26 00:30:57 right Dec 26 00:31:04 npviewer.bin is awesome. Dec 26 00:31:07 but if you're trying to grow a browser to 3gb, you're doing something wrong Dec 26 00:31:18 timeless_mbp, always blame the user Dec 26 00:31:21 what do you mean .... "trying" Dec 26 00:31:23 flash doesn't crash the entire browser, and when flash does crash, you suddenly gain 500M ram! :-) Dec 26 00:31:33 MohammadAG: the user is always wrong Dec 26 00:31:37 ShadowJK: err Dec 26 00:31:44 browsers don't run flash in process Dec 26 00:31:51 so flash gets its own 3gb of ram to burn Dec 26 00:32:02 it did the last time I used it without npviewer, iirc :( Dec 26 00:32:04 and when it manages to burn them (unlikely), it doesn't kill the host Dec 26 00:32:11 ShadowJK: that was when? Dec 26 00:32:20 * timeless_mbp looks for the release date of ff3.6.2 Dec 26 00:32:32 mar 22, 2010 Dec 26 00:32:42 so... 9months ago Dec 26 00:32:43 right. Dec 26 00:32:50 you clearly don't use flash Dec 26 00:32:56 which means you aren't one to talk :) Dec 26 00:32:57 I was going to say 4 years ago when I switched to 64 bit :-) Dec 26 00:33:11 * alterego contemplates using the accelerometer to detect movement .. Dec 26 00:33:27 * timeless_mbp contemplates shooting a merge algorithm Dec 26 00:33:37 I want to stop the compass moving so eratically when you're stationary. Dec 26 00:33:57 * timeless_mbp sells alterego a 'from' Dec 26 00:34:41 Coolest thing is I can kill the npviewer.bin processes to kill all the rogue plugins that sit eating CPU in the background :D Dec 26 00:35:03 killall plugin-container works on 32 bit too now Dec 26 00:35:09 ah Dec 26 00:35:39 go on the english 37 for 2 :D Dec 26 00:35:47 ShadowJK: seriously, it's been 9 months for the normal people who don't run alpha/beta software Dec 26 00:36:26 but if you want to run a third party's hack w/ 64bit browsers, feel free Dec 26 00:36:31 just don't expect support from me Dec 26 00:36:56 Yes well, except on ARM, I haven't used 32bit browser for like 4 years or something, and before that I just didn't run flash :/ Dec 26 00:37:17 ShadowJK: and why again did you want to run a 64bit browser? Dec 26 00:37:35 i mean, really, did you even have 4gb of ram in 2006? Dec 26 00:38:07 At the time my distro sneakily installed it, along with npviewer thingy. Then I discovered I could have flash enabled without entire browser crashing first time I hit a flash ad banner, and fell in love :-) Dec 26 00:38:09 (you do realize that your 64bit process used more ram to address the same data because you grew its pointers, right?) Dec 26 00:38:19 heh Dec 26 00:38:30 noscript/flashblock Dec 26 00:39:21 hi Dec 26 00:39:30 how can I test my application out without building a deb file for it (i have no idea how to write a deb file) Dec 26 00:40:15 * alterego contemplates how to make his UI more cross platform friendly. Dec 26 00:40:28 don't use gtk+ :P Dec 26 00:40:43 I'm using Qt already. Dec 26 00:40:49 comawhite: write the debian/ anyway Dec 26 00:40:53 But there are quite a few Maemo5 specifics. Dec 26 00:40:54 you could use MADE/MADDE Dec 26 00:41:03 hmm Dec 26 00:41:10 will do Dec 26 00:41:31 timeless_mbp, how hard is it to write a deb? Dec 26 00:41:41 since I use cmake Dec 26 00:41:42 not hard Dec 26 00:41:44 I think I'll do a: columbus-mobile columbus-desktop and columbus-common. Dec 26 00:41:50 That should cover everything. Dec 26 00:42:07 it's 3 files (debian-binary, data.tar.gz, control.tar.gz) Dec 26 00:42:15 (or something like that) Dec 26 00:44:34 timeless_mbp, what about 64bit flash and 64bit browser, does that also go through new plugin-container thing? Dec 26 00:44:45 timeless_mbp, found this: http://www.kernelconcepts.de/~fuchs/maemo/DpkgDeb.cmake Dec 26 00:45:09 ShadowJK: there's no currently supported 64bit flash, but yes, it would Dec 26 00:45:53 getting 32bit versions of all the libraries needed for firefox and flash sounds kinda daunting :-) Dec 26 00:47:14 ShadowJK: it really shouldn't be that bad Dec 26 00:47:18 otoh, it might be Dec 26 00:47:24 it kinda depends on how lame your platform is :) Dec 26 00:47:38 (windows just sprinkles magic wow64 pixie dust around) Dec 26 00:47:48 g'night folks Dec 26 00:49:46 it'd be cool if middle click or open in new tab opened up new tab, but didn't actually start loading it until you pressed a "do it" button, at which point it'd load all the newly opened tabs with the pages you wanted.. So then you could queue up a bunch of websites, go do something else, and come back and read it all in one go without waiting in between :-) Dec 26 00:50:12 "add bookmark"? :) Dec 26 00:50:31 But you still have like 5 minutes in total of loading time Dec 26 00:50:44 ? Dec 26 00:51:01 you can ask the browser to open all bookmarks from a folder as tabs... Dec 26 00:51:08 Oh :-) Dec 26 00:51:25 can fennec do this too? Dec 26 00:51:40 i don't think fennec includes a foot gun Dec 26 00:51:51 but you can probably buy one separately or build one yourself Dec 26 00:51:54 * timeless_mbp could be wrong Dec 26 00:51:59 aw Dec 26 00:52:12 microb is pretty good at "reading web forums" case :-) Dec 26 00:56:51 ShadowJK, hm Dec 26 00:57:13 you mean an option like "do not load new tabs until activated" Dec 26 00:57:32 no I mean a way to postpone actually loading tabs, so that the page you are opening them from stays responsive Dec 26 00:57:42 exactly Dec 26 00:57:51 staying on current page just prepares it Dec 26 00:57:53 like when I read a forum, I don't want to click an individual thread, wait 30 seconds for it to load, read it, click back, wait 30 seconds for index to load, etc Dec 26 00:57:56 without actually contacting site Dec 26 00:58:02 until you change to the tab Dec 26 00:58:19 I want to pick threads of interest, and I want those to be loaded in batch while I'm doing something else, so that I can read them all without load times in between Dec 26 00:58:30 and then go to the next page of the index, and repeat Dec 26 00:58:32 thats middle click Dec 26 00:58:43 at least desktopish Dec 26 00:59:40 Yeah I just noticed that in fennec the tab with the "index page" i'm opening the tabs from slows down and becomes somewhat unusable until the newly opened tab has finished downloading Dec 26 01:00:00 which makes it mostly equivalent to visiting the thread without opening new tab Dec 26 01:00:28 screw forum Dec 26 01:00:29 ShadowJK, right Dec 26 01:00:46 so giving uber priority to focused tab Dec 26 01:00:53 you dont leave that tab Dec 26 01:00:59 the others dont get to make connections Dec 26 01:01:12 effectively Dec 26 01:01:52 I guess I could iptables block all traffic while reading the index page :) Dec 26 01:02:15 probably wget is the only tool to somehow cope with forum PITA Dec 26 01:02:37 a synthesis of wget and rsync :-D Dec 26 01:21:56 alterego, ping Dec 26 01:22:12 or actually anyone who can guess font sizes easily :P Dec 26 01:34:59 you don't need to guess - 72PT are one inch Dec 26 01:37:01 unless your screen is massively misconfigured or cheating, like maemo N900 screen obviously is Dec 26 01:38:39 s/y is/y doesv Dec 26 01:39:02 Ehehe: http://www.flickr.com/photos/generalantilles/5291979584/ Dec 26 01:42:13 well, I guess owning a tesla doesn't magically improve your skills. Even less those of other crash dummies Dec 26 01:45:48 DocScrutinizer51: a vanity plate like that does make you look like a fool, though. Dec 26 01:45:56 tesla however is really cool. I'd love to paricipate in development Dec 26 01:46:24 err I didn't notice. what's it been? Dec 26 01:46:33 "85 MPG" Dec 26 01:46:45 NFC Dec 26 01:47:59 too much native background needed Dec 26 01:48:09 `miles per gallon' Dec 26 01:48:15 duh Dec 26 01:48:39 Yeah, he's bragging about the fuel economy rating of his $100k car. Dec 26 01:49:16 Good day to carry the camera. Dec 26 01:49:29 while that's a BS bogus value anyway Dec 26 01:50:37 he could as well mention miles / mg plutonium or rats/day Dec 26 01:51:25 Indeed. Dec 26 01:51:31 Thus the irony increases. Dec 26 01:51:45 litium/mile Dec 26 01:53:48 actually CO2/mile is a meaningful unit Dec 26 01:54:37 including that from TCO / manufacturing / recycling / etc Dec 26 01:55:12 GeneralAntilles: no MWKN this week? Dec 26 01:55:35 DocScrutinizer51, Saturday. Dec 26 01:56:19 yeah today is saturday. in 2 days ther's logical MWKN day Dec 26 01:56:45 I'm assuming Jaffa's still going to send me an Etherpad link sometime tomorrow afternoon. Dec 26 01:57:50 he said he thinks it won't publish this time Dec 26 01:59:58 DocScrutinizer51: oh? Dec 26 02:00:28 check backscroll or log Dec 26 02:03:33 DocScrutinizer51: ah, see it. Dec 26 02:03:38 I can't say I'd mind. Working again tomorrow. Dec 26 02:05:47 why does one get more progress in coding at 4 AM? Dec 26 02:06:28 meh. ctl-F on microb needs setting focus to the irclog input field to actually jump to the first match :-/ Dec 26 02:06:42 I managed to botch up fapman to make it show a list (that I'll just copy to the mediaplayer - just using fapman for testing purposes so I don't ruin my code :P) http://i52.tinypic.com/34xhoit.jpg Dec 26 02:07:11 which seems kinda broken, for now, but it's fun :D Dec 26 02:15:46 ctl-F search in microb is completely broken Dec 26 02:16:09 I wonder how this ever made it beyond QA Dec 26 02:20:26 sometimes it works for repeated search by simply hitting CR. Usually it needs some scrolling or even setting focus to some input field of page to find first occurance. next occurance is almost impossible to jump to Dec 26 02:20:52 timeless_mbp: ^^^ Dec 26 02:21:08 yeah well Dec 26 02:21:11 searching is hard Dec 26 02:21:19 and i'm not sure there was any qa done on it Dec 26 02:21:22 oh wow and i thought that was a `only me' bug... Dec 26 02:21:33 we mostly ignored the fact that it wasn't great Dec 26 02:21:36 any hints how to work around? Dec 26 02:21:39 i know i experienced it internally Dec 26 02:21:46 um, i think you've found the major workaround Dec 26 02:21:51 s Dec 26 02:22:07 i think that was one of the reasons i tried fennec... :/ Dec 26 02:22:31 (which as someone else put it, `eats ram like candy' ): Dec 26 02:22:40 candy sounds yummy Dec 26 02:22:54 * timeless_mbp stares at a failed merge and cries Dec 26 02:23:05 ooh, did I mention that zooming makes hit located somewhere outside viewport? Dec 26 02:23:15 ? Dec 26 02:23:39 * timeless_mbp asks DocScrutinizer51 to rephrase that in English Dec 26 02:23:47 yep Dec 26 02:24:26 anyone know if there is an app to stream the desktop to a upnp dlna server over n900 wifi? Dec 26 02:24:49 on a zoomed page, *if* search actually scrolls, then to a location quite offset to real match location Dec 26 02:25:25 * timeless_mbp tries to decide if http://www.dlna.org/home is spam Dec 26 02:25:40 Psi: you want to replace VNC with DLNA? Dec 26 02:25:46 yeah, pretty much Dec 26 02:25:50 just an idea Dec 26 02:25:55 YAY finally! http://i53.tinypic.com/mvlonl.jpg :D Dec 26 02:26:09 https://encrypted.google.com/search?hl=en&source=hp&biw=1359&bih=825&q=vnc+dlna&aq=f&aqi=g-s1g-sx8g1&aql=&oq=&gs_rfai= ? Dec 26 02:26:25 MohammadAG: what is that? Dec 26 02:26:47 timeless_mbp, the mediaplayer rewrite, or the testing base for the list (fapman in this case) Dec 26 02:27:03 http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer Dec 26 02:27:06 MohammadAG: can you replace the title and status lines? :) Dec 26 02:27:21 hmm? Dec 26 02:27:37 "Select packages", "0 package(s) marked",... Dec 26 02:27:45 kinda confusing =b Dec 26 02:27:50 lol Dec 26 02:27:52 those are fapman's Dec 26 02:27:57 http://i54.tinypic.com/2jg8853.jpg Dec 26 02:28:33 as you can see, this list's missing the artist/album info, as well as song length http://i54.tinypic.com/4s1nhl.jpg Dec 26 02:28:58 MohammadAG: btw, are you borrowing strings or using your own? Dec 26 02:29:07 i dropped 'Now playing' from my localization Dec 26 02:29:20 Using my own, chances are the strings will be replaced when the package mediaplayer is removed Dec 26 02:29:28 unless I'm mistaken, then that can easily be fixed Dec 26 02:29:35 * timeless_mbp goes back to merging Dec 26 02:29:36 Btw, does anybody know of alternative for gecko-mediaplayer-plugin for the maemo 5? Dec 26 02:29:37 but it's translatable ;) Dec 26 02:29:51 not me, sorry Dec 26 02:30:06 working gecko-mediaplayer-plugin would be cool but it would require all those gnome libaries Dec 26 02:31:07 Dassu: what's the use case? Dec 26 02:31:33 timeless_mbp, are the strings (.mo files) part of the mediaplayer package? Dec 26 02:31:51 MohammadAG: they're part of -l10n- packages Dec 26 02:32:03 timeless_mbp, so if I remove the mediaplayer package, they'd stay there? Dec 26 02:32:20 do you clean up orphans? Dec 26 02:32:23 s/remove/removed Dec 26 02:32:33 not really Dec 26 02:32:56 then yeah. they should survive Dec 26 02:33:01 but beware Dec 26 02:33:07 my localization changes their strings Dec 26 02:33:17 so it isn't a good idea to assume a given string Dec 26 02:33:29 * timeless_mbp goes back to being confused by a merge Dec 26 02:33:33 microb is closed? Dec 26 02:33:56 DocScrutinizer51: the ui is closed Dec 26 02:34:26 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/find?string=microb.*debian/change Dec 26 02:34:34 hmm, wonder if that's blocking debugging of search function Dec 26 02:34:43 * timeless_mbp shrugs Dec 26 02:34:46 probably not Dec 26 02:34:59 the ui is rather trivial Dec 26 02:35:07 it more or less just calls verbs Dec 26 02:35:27 there's also an eal-test app somewhere Dec 26 02:38:00 timeless_mbp: I like to use greasemonkey script that replaces flash-player with embedded video. Dec 26 02:38:35 Dassu: hrm, ok, why? :) Dec 26 02:47:48 timeless_mbp: because flash is unnecessarily heavy for video Dec 26 02:48:31 Dassu: you have numbers to support this? Dec 26 02:50:05 You dont need numbers. It is that obvious Dec 26 02:51:23 Just try out Flash on any linux based system and then try same video with gecko-mediaplayer-plugin Dec 26 02:51:50 It is true that flash is quite light on windows but on the Linux that's a whole other story Dec 26 02:51:53 does flash on n900 use dsp for video? Dec 26 02:52:04 mplayer on n900 plays flash videos that flash plays at 2-4fps or so, at 100fps Dec 26 02:53:20 haha ok Dec 26 02:54:10 This was of course just one test - but... Dec 26 02:54:43 well it shows a trend at least :) Dec 26 02:55:32 * MohammadAG can actually flip between windows while playing a higher quality flash video (360p) with mplayer than with youtube.com (240p) Dec 26 02:59:00 Dassu: most linux distributions don't have source code access to flash Dec 26 02:59:13 and don't spend a year trying to optimize it for a single hardware paltform Dec 26 02:59:44 Flash can be surprisingly good in some cases on n900 **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Dec 26 02:59:56 2010