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Dec 29 03:00:18 <ShadowJK> No, of course not
Dec 29 03:00:44 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it does already
Dec 29 03:00:45 <ShadowJK> But you could have mplayer $(find . -name \*.mp3) running in the background
Dec 29 03:00:53 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, but it doesn't let you pick the song :P
Dec 29 03:01:09 <MohammadAG> haven't you noticed all screenshots have the same song? :P
Dec 29 03:01:16 <MohammadAG> cause I haven't changed it in a while
Dec 29 03:02:05 <ShadowJK> About 10 years ago I accidentally discovered that xmms in the background and 'xstrange' in the foreground provided a visualization of the music that correlated more often with the music than things that genuinely tried to look at the music :-)
Dec 29 03:02:06 <DocScrutinizer> and I guess it has a cute algorithm to shuffle segments of the song and rearragne them in a highly interesting manner
Dec 29 03:02:45 <DocScrutinizer> then dub over some rap generated by espeak
Dec 29 03:02:46 <MohammadAG> yes, it's very Qt
Dec 29 03:02:55 <ShadowJK> That's the most annoying feature of hte original media player. Sometimes it plays the first song from every album it finds, then the second song of every album, etc :P
Dec 29 03:02:57 <MohammadAG> lmao
Dec 29 03:11:41 <DocScrutinizer> I'd actually prefer if you'd take pride in optimizing the performance and footprint and usability of this app, rather than eyecandy that obviously isn't exactly appreciated by quite a number of potential users. But yeah, I know, "it's freeeeeeeeeeeeee!"
Dec 29 03:12:11 <MohammadAG> did you actually test it to say it doesn't perform well?
Dec 29 03:12:29 <DocScrutinizer> I say it uses more ram that it should
Dec 29 03:12:38 <MohammadAG> fix Qt then
Dec 29 03:12:58 <MohammadAG> 6MBs is a lot :S
Dec 29 03:13:05 <MohammadAG> well, 8
Dec 29 03:13:07 <comawhite> Is there an app for using your voice to call someone for example?
Dec 29 03:13:15 <comawhite> or to execute apps by voice
Dec 29 03:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> nope, not really
Dec 29 03:13:29 <MohammadAG>  6958  6132 root     S    24224  8.1  0.0 ./mediaplayer.bc5c5b5a10377a360354ff2ab641c1dc
Dec 29 03:13:34 <comawhite> aww
Dec 29 03:36:49 <pupnik> what word would you use to describe the degauss sound on a crt?
Dec 29 03:38:34 <alterego> A twunk
Dec 29 04:00:45 <alterego> Right, bed time now.
Dec 29 04:00:52 <alterego> Later folks.
Dec 29 04:07:17 <timeless_mbp> ooh, http://www.nokia.at looks different now
Dec 29 04:07:26 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: they replaced the 404 you didn't like :)
Dec 29 04:11:34 <timeless_mbp> nice, that page makes it easy for you to find out which other regional sites are dead :)
Dec 29 07:39:30 <ineedhelp> i'm trying to add the extras-devel repository but haven't had any luck. could someone help me out?
Dec 29 07:40:40 <psycho_oreos> where are you stuck>?
Dec 29 07:42:36 <ineedhelp> at the bottom of 'catalog details' in red, it says 'http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/freemantle/free/binary-armel/Packages   404 Not Found [IP: 174.76.227.9 80]
Dec 29 07:43:07 <ineedhelp> and http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/freemantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages   404 Not Found [IP: 174.76.227.9 80]
Dec 29 07:45:10 * psycho_oreos waits for HAM to stop fiddling with itself
Dec 29 07:45:41 <psycho_oreos> well the link doesn't work, so its definitely an issue with adding the apt.conf
Dec 29 07:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> http://joerg.cloud-7.de/repositories.install
Dec 29 07:46:56 <ineedhelp> i got it....typo on fremantle
Dec 29 07:47:02 <DocScrutinizer> attenton, it will install *all* repos on clicking
Dec 29 07:47:14 <psycho_oreos> lol there
Dec 29 07:47:44 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
Dec 29 07:49:26 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: suggestion-> have proper "it's frEmantle, not frEEmantle!" webpages on http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/dists/freemantle/non-free/binary-armel/Packages etc :-D
Dec 29 07:49:52 <psycho_oreos> maybe have a symlink freemantle to fremantle lol
Dec 29 07:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> no way, we'd see a LOT of wrong instructions claiming "WFM!"
Dec 29 07:50:47 <psycho_oreos> true
Dec 29 09:44:11 <hrw> Khertan_: alive?
Dec 29 09:59:26 <khertan> hrw yep ...
Dec 29 10:01:05 <khertan> hrw, from PySide.QtWebKit import *.... ouch ...
Dec 29 10:02:52 <hrw> moment
Dec 29 10:03:29 <hrw> ImportError: /usr/lib/python2.5/site-packages/PySide/QtCore.so: undefined symbol: _ZN8Shiboken12TypeResolver5toCppEP7_objectPPvb
Dec 29 10:04:45 <hrw> upgrading packages now
Dec 29 10:05:33 <hrw>     from PySide.QtWebKit import *
Dec 29 10:05:33 <hrw> ImportError: No module named QtWebKit
Dec 29 10:05:55 <hrw> thats effect of >>> from khweeteur import Khweeteur
Dec 29 10:12:34 <khertan> hrw : yep exactly
Dec 29 10:12:55 <khertan> i ve use the same launcher for khweeteur and khweeteur-experimental
Dec 29 10:13:03 <khertan> which is an error when not printing error
Dec 29 10:13:03 <khertan> :)
Dec 29 10:13:45 <hrw> khertan: add dependency on python-pyside.qtwebkit then
Dec 29 10:13:51 <hrw> khertan: now it works
Dec 29 10:14:18 <khertan> yep or remove the useless import :)
Dec 29 10:14:39 <hrw> khertan: or try/except it
Dec 29 10:15:01 * hrw wonder does any of maemo twitter clients supports lists...
Dec 29 10:15:34 <khertan> hrw it s a inactivated feature ... it s a try to use webkit for automated oauth authentification
Dec 29 10:15:48 <khertan> hrw what did you call lists ?
Dec 29 10:17:56 <hrw> khertan: Twitter lists
Dec 29 10:20:00 * khertan just discover that you can make list in Twitter
Dec 29 10:20:37 * khertan is in many twitter list
Dec 29 10:20:38 <khertan> :)
Dec 29 10:20:46 <hrw> khertan: and you can add people which you do not follow into the list
Dec 29 10:24:02 <khertan> now the question is how to made an intuitive ui on that list feature :)
Dec 29 10:27:29 <hrw> khertan: add menu option "My Lists" which will give QListWidget with lists - user clicks and gets tweets
Dec 29 10:27:57 <khertan> hrw, this was the first solution that come into my mind too
Dec 29 10:28:28 <khertan> let s take a look at how it s work on the Twitter API :)
Dec 29 10:29:50 <khertan> http://api.twitter.com/version/:user/lists.format & http://api.twitter.com/version/:user/lists/:id/statuses.format should be enough
Dec 29 10:30:09 <khertan> now i probably should implement it in the python-twitter module too :)
Dec 29 10:32:01 * khertan still didn't see any interest in oauth ...
Dec 29 10:39:03 <khertan> hrw, 0.1.10 should be available soon in extras-devel :)
Dec 29 10:39:26 <hrw> ok
Dec 29 10:54:08 <hrw> khertan: 0.1.10 installed
Dec 29 10:54:26 <hrw> works
Dec 29 10:54:55 <hrw> khertan: btw - could you first do fetch then display?
Dec 29 10:55:33 <hrw> khertan: now when I run khweeteur I am getting old direct messages, then some newer mentions, then finally unified timeline
Dec 29 10:57:01 <khertan> hrw this occur only after the cache has been cleaned
Dec 29 10:57:11 <khertan> recovering dm is faster than the rest
Dec 29 10:57:17 <khertan> and as it s threaded :)
Dec 29 10:57:39 <khertan> but i like the display once you got the information
Dec 29 10:57:45 <khertan> any reason to wait ?
Dec 29 11:00:10 <hrw> khertan: it gives me feeling that something is wrong as I first gets over week old tweets
Dec 29 11:03:17 <hrw> khertan: next thing to change is prefs UI - labels takes too much space
Dec 29 11:03:37 <hrw> khertan: if you have *.ui file for it then I can reorder it, but you probably generate it by hand
Dec 29 11:05:23 <khertan> but you probably generate it by hand < exactly :)
Dec 29 11:05:39 <khertan> hrw: gitorious.org/khweeteur
Dec 29 11:05:39 <khertan> :)
Dec 29 11:14:28 * hrw -> out
Dec 29 11:42:41 * trumee is sitting at his barbers with openvpn connection to home via N900, awesome!!
Dec 29 11:46:02 <Scorcerer> does maemo really need to run dnsmasq to get dns servers? or is there way to turn that thing off and use something lighter, like udhcp ?
Dec 29 13:14:30 * thresh waves
Dec 29 13:16:36 * MohammadAG waves back
Dec 29 14:36:36 <vapopup> anybody here speak chinese?
Dec 29 15:18:44 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, ping
Dec 29 15:19:33 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: pong.
Dec 29 15:20:22 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, was wondering if we could have a package in -devel to link with the SSU
Dec 29 15:20:38 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, I might use red-pill mode's don't ignore packages from wrong domain mode
Dec 29 15:22:12 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: And then disable it after update run?
Dec 29 15:22:36 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, no, just keep it on
Dec 29 15:22:57 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, I noticed another problem, if the SSU gains higher priority, Nokia's SSU is ignored :P
Dec 29 15:23:11 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Well that was the plan, right?
Dec 29 15:23:24 <MohammadAG> all packages?
Dec 29 15:23:29 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: what's wrong w/ ignoring nokia ssu? :)
Dec 29 15:23:31 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Hmm.
Dec 29 15:23:35 <MohammadAG> I thought it'd just ignore the upgraded packages
Dec 29 15:23:43 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: I did too.
Dec 29 15:23:46 <MohammadAG> hmm indeed
Dec 29 15:23:55 <MohammadAG> aren't all packages in the SSU outside user/*?
Dec 29 15:24:21 <X-Fade> No, apps can be in an ssu too.
Dec 29 15:25:02 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, was asking about Nokia's SSU
Dec 29 15:25:19 <MohammadAG> if they're all outside user/, then we shouldn't really care if they're ignored since HAM won't show them anyways
Dec 29 15:25:23 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Well isn't modest for instance user?
Dec 29 15:25:32 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, it's not the right way :P
Dec 29 15:25:55 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: now you care about purity?
Dec 29 15:26:01 * timeless_mbp sighs
Dec 29 15:26:02 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, I don't recall seeing it in HAM's uninstall section
Dec 29 15:26:04 * timeless_mbp kicks soemthing
Dec 29 15:26:13 <timeless_mbp> this stupid driver forced my mac to reboot
Dec 29 15:26:16 <timeless_mbp> and it isn't working
Dec 29 15:26:18 * MohammadAG pushes ChanServ to the front row
Dec 29 15:27:12 <MohammadAG> in fact I don't recall anything other than the metapackage in the user/ section
Dec 29 15:27:23 <MohammadAG> as when I got my device, I only had "Maemo 5" in the uninstall list
Dec 29 15:27:25 <MohammadAG> plus some widgets
Dec 29 15:27:45 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Well they don't expect you to uninstall it :)
Dec 29 15:27:57 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, then it's outside user/* ;)
Dec 29 15:28:07 <MohammadAG> ignore Nokia SSU - check
Dec 29 15:28:18 <MohammadAG> need clean device to test from PR1.3 - not.. check
Dec 29 15:28:30 <MohammadAG> sigh, I need a full system backup
Dec 29 15:28:37 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: FWIW when they'll update qtm for instance, it will probably come from nokia-apps repo.
Dec 29 15:28:40 <MohammadAG> I don't feel like reflashing to test
Dec 29 15:29:08 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: And updates like that are more likely than a SSU.
Dec 29 15:29:13 <MohammadAG> can't we just import the packages then?
Dec 29 15:29:37 <X-Fade> I wonder if just adding them to the meta package would be enough.
Dec 29 15:29:43 <X-Fade> As the apps repo is still enabled then?
Dec 29 15:30:16 <MohammadAG> hum
Dec 29 15:30:23 <MohammadAG> well, the packages are ignored
Dec 29 15:30:38 <MohammadAG> who has 2 devices and is willing to test some cases? :P
Dec 29 15:30:47 * MohammadAG pokes timeless_mbp 
Dec 29 15:30:50 <MohammadAG> LOL
Dec 29 15:39:03 * timeless_mbp grumbles
Dec 29 15:39:26 <timeless_mbp> anyone here familiar w/ usb to serial adapters and drivers for os x (x86_64)?
Dec 29 15:42:41 <libben> is there any ebook reader for n900 that supports .mobi formats?
Dec 29 15:43:05 <SpeedEvil> Have you looked at fbreader?
Dec 29 15:43:12 <SpeedEvil> I don't know about .mobi though
Dec 29 15:43:31 <SpeedEvil> I use it for html and epub mainly
Dec 29 15:43:45 <libben> i have fbreader installed
Dec 29 15:46:34 <SpeedEvil> http://wiki.mobileread.com/wiki/Calibre
Dec 29 15:46:48 <SpeedEvil> Input formats accepted: ePUB, MOBI, LIT, PRC, FB2, HTML, HTM, XHTM,  SHTML, XHTML, ODT, RTF, PDF, TXT, RECIPE, PML, SHTM, PDB, AZW, CBC,  PMLZ, CBR, OPF RB, LRF, CBZ, TCR. Output formats available: EPUB, MOBI, LRF FB2, LIT, PDB, PDF, PMLZ, RB, TCR, TXT
Dec 29 15:46:57 <SpeedEvil> so - mobi -> epub should be possible
Dec 29 15:48:33 <SpeedEvil> http://calibre-ebook.com/download_linux
Dec 29 15:48:41 <SpeedEvil> gives hope it might 'just work' on n900
Dec 29 15:58:51 <libben> calibre install for maemo would be nice.
Dec 29 15:59:06 <libben> but will fetch my book within another format by now
Dec 29 15:59:08 <SpeedEvil> Have you tried the above procedure on maemo?
Dec 29 15:59:19 <libben> no no
Dec 29 15:59:48 <libben> first thing would be to check if all the depends is in the system
Dec 29 15:59:55 <libben> if there not, someone has to fix that first =)
Dec 29 16:00:02 <SpeedEvil> Well - no.
Dec 29 16:00:05 <libben> there == theyre
Dec 29 16:00:10 <SpeedEvil> The first thing is to try it, and see if it works.
Dec 29 16:00:21 <SpeedEvil> Sometimes stuff just does
Dec 29 16:00:22 <libben> well true that =)
Dec 29 16:19:08 <MohammadAG> why is it dead in here today? :P
Dec 29 16:21:21 <vapopup> holidays, time spent with family
Dec 29 16:23:03 <SpeedEvil> Secret PR1.4 trials
Dec 29 17:17:40 <Ex-Opesa> Guys, is there any theme related to carbon/hydrocarbon? I remember there was one but I can't find it..I need some blackish theme.
Dec 29 17:18:36 <Ex-Opesa> I need it for maemo pr 1.3 / n900
Dec 29 17:18:40 <lcuk> thp, :) nice icon list document
Dec 29 17:18:50 <lcuk> (for people not on twitter http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/ )
Dec 29 17:19:44 <thp> lcuk: :)
Dec 29 17:19:46 <MohammadAG> lcuk, heh, that's the one I pasted the license for you from
Dec 29 17:20:19 <lcuk> yeah MohammadAG, and obviously in mind based on that conversation
Dec 29 17:20:25 <lcuk> thats a nice resource
Dec 29 17:20:34 <MohammadAG> yep
Dec 29 17:21:07 <MohammadAG> though I kinda stopped using it, I just string the binary and grep for png :P
Dec 29 17:23:03 <lardman> hey chaps
Dec 29 17:23:07 <lardman> Merry Christmas
Dec 29 17:23:46 <X-Fade> lardman: You have a lot of lag on your irc client ;)
Dec 29 17:23:50 <lcuk> \o Merry Christmas lardman
Dec 29 17:23:55 <lardman> X-Fade: lol
Dec 29 17:24:03 <lardman> hi guys
Dec 29 17:24:22 <javispedro> hi lardman
Dec 29 17:24:27 <MohammadAG> hey lardman :)
Dec 29 17:24:53 * lardman has installed Ubuntu on his netbook and is cursing the size of dialogs
Dec 29 17:25:17 <lcuk> lardman, touchscreen netbook?
Dec 29 17:25:23 * MohammadAG passes the MeeGo USB key
Dec 29 17:25:26 <lardman> nah, samsung n140
Dec 29 17:25:34 <lcuk> MohammadAG, heh
Dec 29 17:25:41 <MohammadAG> oh right, my flash drive crashes the new HP netbook
Dec 29 17:25:41 <lcuk> good I have one of those on my car keys
Dec 29 17:25:47 <MohammadAG> at POST
Dec 29 17:25:51 <lardman> meego wants the whole hdd afaiu, and I need to use Windows too...
Dec 29 17:26:02 <MohammadAG> so I couldn't try MeeGo on a touch screen
Dec 29 17:26:04 * MohammadAG cries
Dec 29 17:26:12 <MohammadAG> lardman, it runs off the USB drive
Dec 29 17:26:17 <lcuk> :( get onto #meego and check whats happening MohammadAG
Dec 29 17:26:17 <X-Fade> lardman: Nah, it is just linux. And uses grub :)
Dec 29 17:26:47 <lardman> well that was the warning on the installation page
Dec 29 17:26:59 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I never figured it out, so I gave up
Dec 29 17:27:01 <X-Fade> lardman: Sure, if you next,next,next it.
Dec 29 17:27:04 <javispedro> the installer is crap
Dec 29 17:27:07 <lardman> ubuntu happily resized my ntfs partition and installed in the newly created half
Dec 29 17:27:23 <javispedro> probably it was not a goal to coexist with window.
Dec 29 17:27:23 <nox-> moin
Dec 29 17:27:42 <lardman> javispedro: unfortunately some of us have to use Windows
Dec 29 17:28:06 <javispedro> lardman: I spent +1hour trying to discover how to do that on meegoconf =)
Dec 29 17:28:25 <lardman> anyway, c'est la vie, I might give it a go, but I was after a portable sb install, so I guess Ubuntu is probably a better bet anyway
Dec 29 17:29:00 <lardman> so I've been busy writing an augmented reality app, and as we lack a compass am going to use a scrolling compass widget
Dec 29 17:29:24 <lardman> my question is, can one, using an existing widget scroll right round in a circle?
Dec 29 17:31:12 <lardman> I've got it set up as a full width band at the bottom of the widget that shows the camera view, and I'd like to have it finger scrollale
Dec 29 17:31:17 <lardman> scrollable even
Dec 29 17:36:30 <lardman> alternatively is there a way of using the kinetic scrolling abilities to give me some sort of delta-position that I can wrap around myself (as I need to use a custom paint fn anyway)?
Dec 29 17:56:23 <lardman> hmm, all quiet on the western front
Dec 29 17:57:40 <MohammadAG> lardman, like alterego's columbus app?
Dec 29 17:58:41 <lardman> MohammadAG: not sure, I've not tried that
Dec 29 17:58:49 <lardman> I'll download and take a look-see
Dec 29 18:00:41 <lardman> hmm, same sort of thing as in the top LH corner, but I want the user to be able to flick it around to align it correctly
Dec 29 18:00:56 <lardman> as we lack an e-compass
Dec 29 18:01:58 <lardman> http://stage.rubyx.co.uk/columbus/status-landscape.png image here for those who don't know what it is
Dec 29 18:02:38 <lardman> flick it left/right I should say to align it correctly
Dec 29 18:03:08 <lardman> (I know that's pretty crap, but we lack a compass, so I need something vaguely usable until we get new hw with one)
Dec 29 18:08:11 <jacekowski> https://events.ccc.de/congress/2010/Fahrplan/events/3952.en.html
Dec 29 18:08:13 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer:
Dec 29 18:08:20 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: open source firmware for ti modem
Dec 29 18:08:28 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: same as in openmoko
Dec 29 18:08:37 <SpeedEvil> yeah - I linked him earlier.
Dec 29 18:08:43 <SpeedEvil> Fun stuff.
Dec 29 18:09:23 <SpeedEvil> The attack is largely mitigatable - the rainbow tables become useless if the packets are not null-filled AIUI
Dec 29 18:09:34 <SpeedEvil> Of course, that means firmware upgrades
Dec 29 18:10:46 <jacekowski>  attack?
Dec 29 18:12:16 <DocScrutinizer> haha, events.ccc.de is down
Dec 29 18:12:25 <jacekowski> streaming is working
Dec 29 18:12:34 <jacekowski> but hmm now thiking about it
Dec 29 18:12:42 <jacekowski> ti calypso is made by ti like rapuyama
Dec 29 18:12:51 <jacekowski> so it maybe is similiar
Dec 29 18:13:00 <DocScrutinizer> ot really
Dec 29 18:13:03 <DocScrutinizer> not*
Dec 29 18:13:38 <DocScrutinizer> well, details might be comparable
Dec 29 18:19:07 <vapopup> hehm
Dec 29 18:21:05 <RST38h> Well. Moo.
Dec 29 18:22:51 <MohammadAG> http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/technology-12090245 ha
Dec 29 18:23:21 <javispedro> moo RST38h
Dec 29 18:26:46 <vapopup> woohoo i found more Dimensional Force bean paste!
Dec 29 18:27:13 <RST38h> javispedro: How is suffering tonight?
Dec 29 18:27:32 <javispedro> actually doing some hacking
Dec 29 18:28:01 <javispedro> I think I found an actual bug in the dosbox mouse code
Dec 29 18:28:19 <RST38h> MOhammad: OMG they got 4chan
Dec 29 18:28:25 <javispedro> pupnik would be happy, if he was here :)
Dec 29 18:28:36 <RST38h> dosbox hacking? mhhmmmm
Dec 29 18:28:46 <MohammadAG> RST38h, this won't end well, I'm sure
Dec 29 18:29:03 <RST38h> Mohammad: The usual, end-of-the-world, etc
Dec 29 18:29:40 <MohammadAG> FIXED IN PR1.4!
Dec 29 18:30:10 <vapopup> javispedro: i am happy!  has you seen any improvement in any game to test?
Dec 29 18:30:27 <javispedro> oh, hi :)
Dec 29 18:30:40 <javispedro> vapopup: it could case an unwanted horizontal acceleration
Dec 29 18:30:55 <javispedro> *cause
Dec 29 18:31:12 <vapopup> are you interested in implementing 'trackpad mode'?
Dec 29 18:31:13 <javispedro> it was sligthly noticeable in text mode, probably more in graphics
Dec 29 18:31:29 <vapopup> i have looked at the mouse code and it is confuussing
Dec 29 18:31:30 <javispedro> vapopup: trying to get more proefficient in the entire mouse stack
Dec 29 18:31:33 <javispedro> yeah
Dec 29 18:32:05 <vapopup> gotten any offers for help from #dosbox?
Dec 29 18:32:42 <javispedro> nope, working alone so far
Dec 29 18:33:33 <javispedro> msmouse actually used absolute mouse coordinates
Dec 29 18:33:42 <vapopup> i am sorry i haven't done it myself but i am glad ou understand how not-easy it is
Dec 29 18:34:08 <vapopup> yes, i would suggest leaving their stuff as-is and use #ifdef and your own stuff on-top of it
Dec 29 18:34:19 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: NB calypso also had *option* to support signatures and PKI for firmware updates. But it never got used it seems
Dec 29 18:45:53 <javispedro> vapopup: do you want a n8x0 test build?
Dec 29 18:46:04 <javispedro> vapopup: if whatever game you wanted to try used msmouse (int33h) it should work better
Dec 29 18:46:10 <javispedro> ps2 will work as bad as usual, though
Dec 29 18:47:17 <vapopup> javispedro: how about a patch or a pastebin?   i have a couple of other touchscreen devices
Dec 29 18:47:30 <javispedro> ok
Dec 29 18:47:41 <vapopup> this is for the bugfix right?
Dec 29 18:48:02 <javispedro> yep
Dec 29 18:48:33 <javispedro> I don't know exactly where the extra acceleration comes from, but since it's in part that should do nothing when on touchscreen, i just ifdef'd 0 it.
Dec 29 18:49:30 <pupnik> ah
Dec 29 18:49:48 <RST38h> Meanwhile: German Kindergartens Ordered To Pay Copyright For Songs
Dec 29 18:50:17 <RST38h> "A tightening of copyright rules means kindergartens now have to pay fees to Germany's music licensing agency, GEMA, to use songs that they reproduce and perform. The organization has begun notifying creches and other daycare facilities that if they reproduce music to be sung or performed, they must pay for a license."
Dec 29 18:52:02 <javispedro> pupnik: http://maemo.pastebin.com/q5bypx4R
Dec 29 18:52:17 <javispedro> note the simplicity :)
Dec 29 18:53:10 <RST38h> funny, I can reuse this code in a few places at work =)
Dec 29 18:53:47 <pupnik> hmm ty
Dec 29 18:56:01 <pupnik> Offtopic:  TSA scan/grop online registry http://ofsevit.dynalias.com:8081/ari/tsa/#N
Dec 29 18:57:42 <MohammadAG> any DBus techies?
Dec 29 18:57:50 <MohammadAG> need to find the method to open .install files
Dec 29 18:58:51 <javispedro> now, if damn windows used msmouse for getting abs coordinates instead of messing around with ps2 I could get windows to work flawlessly too
Dec 29 19:00:24 <pupnik> argh
Dec 29 19:06:41 <javispedro> I fscking hate Scribd.
Dec 29 19:07:03 <javispedro> slower than AcrobatPDF itself (!!!), requires Flash, Facebook login to download
Dec 29 19:07:05 <javispedro> yet people use it.
Dec 29 19:09:08 <jacekowski> foxit reader
Dec 29 19:09:14 <jacekowski> faster than adobe
Dec 29 19:09:23 <jacekowski> but it's not going to solve your problem
Dec 29 19:09:26 <javispedro> yeah :(
Dec 29 19:10:07 <RST38h> javispedro: Scribd is a mysterious service that does not appear to have a purpose
Dec 29 19:10:27 <jacekowski> well it solves one problem
Dec 29 19:10:32 <jacekowski> acrobat reader
Dec 29 19:10:39 <jacekowski> and it's browser plugin
Dec 29 19:10:44 <jacekowski> that tends to do strange things
Dec 29 19:19:57 <KMFDM> scribd's purpose (currently) is to force you to upload bullshit files to download their pdf'p
Dec 29 19:19:58 <KMFDM> s
Dec 29 19:24:50 <jaska> strings /dev/urandom | text-to-pdf-converter ? :)
Dec 29 19:30:03 <lolcat> can maemo emulate a real cpu?
Dec 29 19:30:32 <E0x> what ?
Dec 29 19:30:34 <trx> um, what?
Dec 29 19:30:53 <lolcat> I want to run a probably non arm program
Dec 29 19:30:55 <lolcat> spotify
Dec 29 19:31:01 <lolcat> the linux client
Dec 29 19:31:06 <lolcat> on my phone
Dec 29 19:31:22 <E0x> arm is not a real cpu ?
Dec 29 19:31:34 <RST38h> Depends on whose arm it is.
Dec 29 19:31:38 <trx> lol
Dec 29 19:31:41 <javispedro> it is linear!
Dec 29 19:31:42 <ds3> calling arm a CPU doesn't do it justice ;)
Dec 29 19:31:44 <lolcat> you know what I mean
Dec 29 19:31:54 <trx> haha
Dec 29 19:32:22 <trx> by real u mean x86?
Dec 29 19:32:31 <lolcat> Maybe 64bit
Dec 29 19:32:48 <lolcat> not sure, I'll have to add the respitory
Dec 29 19:32:49 <MohammadAG> can x86 emulate x64?
Dec 29 19:32:53 <jaska> power7?
Dec 29 19:33:07 <javispedro> if x86 is "real", then x64 must be "the matrix"?
Dec 29 19:33:13 <lolcat> will I have to run the easy debian desktop to run it?
Dec 29 19:33:16 <RST38h> MohammadAG: Most current Intel CPUs support x64
Dec 29 19:33:26 <RST38h> MohammadAG: (in the 64bit extension sense)
Dec 29 19:33:34 <trx> "the matrix"
Dec 29 19:33:35 <trx> hahaha
Dec 29 19:34:15 <MohammadAG> RST38h, erm, not quite what I meant but.. whatever :P
Dec 29 19:34:32 <ds3> there is a reason why it is called i386 ;)
Dec 29 19:35:17 <MohammadAG> cause it was originally made by Apple and intel stole it?
Dec 29 19:35:19 <MohammadAG> :P
Dec 29 19:35:43 <lolcat> can I run the client? I want music!!!!
Dec 29 19:35:44 <trx> x86 is an architecture, and has both 32bit and 64bit registers
Dec 29 19:35:51 <ds3> it isn't a real CPU
Dec 29 19:35:56 <trx> if your cpu has them that is :)
Dec 29 19:36:00 <ds3> for the EEs, prehaps calling it a j386 is more appropriate ;)
Dec 29 19:36:13 <RST38h> x86 has not 64bit regs other than MMX regs
Dec 29 19:36:15 <MohammadAG> lolcat, amazon.com/mp3?
Dec 29 19:36:26 <MohammadAG> or google.com
Dec 29 19:36:36 <RST38h> Once you switch to 64bit mode your registers get extended to 64bit (i.e. EAX becomes RAX, etc)
Dec 29 19:36:47 <lolcat> MohammadAG: I dont want to double pay for my music
Dec 29 19:37:10 <MohammadAG> there are spotify clients
Dec 29 19:37:17 <MohammadAG> lots of them
Dec 29 19:37:24 <trx> RST38h but it still is X86 architecture, is it not?
Dec 29 19:37:36 <ds3> i386 in SMP is real though: -(386)^2 ;)
Dec 29 19:37:58 <lolcat> MohammadAG: there is an official client, for linux
Dec 29 19:37:58 <MohammadAG> meh, same as two years ago
Dec 29 19:38:03 <MohammadAG> unavailable in IL
Dec 29 19:38:11 <lolcat> IL?
Dec 29 19:38:29 <MohammadAG> Israel
Dec 29 19:38:48 <MohammadAG> X86 is different from ARM
Dec 29 19:38:55 <RST38h> trx: Microsoft calls it x64
Dec 29 19:38:57 <MohammadAG> so, no, you can't run it
Dec 29 19:39:06 <RST38h> trx: as opposed to 32bit x86
Dec 29 19:39:11 <lolcat> Maybe thats why they are so angry... We should allow them to listen to calm music
Dec 29 19:39:11 <trx> microsoft is lame :)
Dec 29 19:39:22 <RST38h> trx: Strictly speaking, x64 should probably be reserved for AMDproducts
Dec 29 19:39:32 <trx> yeah
Dec 29 19:39:37 <lolcat> MohammadAG: are you sure there are no arm spotify in the spotify respitory
Dec 29 19:39:37 <MohammadAG> AMD64?
Dec 29 19:39:50 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> there are spotify clients
Dec 29 19:39:52 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> lots of them
Dec 29 19:40:11 <lolcat> I want offline playback!
Dec 29 19:40:40 <trx> just download the music :)
Dec 29 19:40:41 <MohammadAG> I want 100k bucks
Dec 29 19:40:52 <RST38h> why so small amount?
Dec 29 19:40:56 <lolcat> It costs money!
Dec 29 19:41:07 <lolcat> and effort most importantly
Dec 29 19:41:13 <MohammadAG> trx, I tried pointing him to google, he didn't like it :P
Dec 29 19:41:22 <trx> i see :)
Dec 29 19:41:46 <lolcat> I am on my phone, no time for googeling
Dec 29 19:42:02 <lolcat> besides I think the linux client is secret...
Dec 29 19:42:23 <MohammadAG> yes, you have to talk to apt about it
Dec 29 19:42:30 <MohammadAG> or ChanServ
Dec 29 19:42:37 <RST38h> or 127.0.0.1
Dec 29 19:42:57 <lolcat> I will try to add the respitory on my phone
Dec 29 19:43:00 <trx> or 74.125.87.104
Dec 29 19:43:16 <MohammadAG> RST38h, imma hack and reboot that!
Dec 29 19:43:33 <trx> lol
Dec 29 19:43:39 <MohammadAG> :P
Dec 29 19:43:52 <lolcat> oO
Dec 29 19:44:04 * lolcat has a stupid root password
Dec 29 19:44:13 <trx> is it "root"?
Dec 29 19:44:23 <lolcat> 1234567
Dec 29 19:44:27 <lolcat> or something
Dec 29 19:44:31 <trx> thats even worse :)
Dec 29 19:44:42 <MohammadAG> actually
Dec 29 19:44:52 <MohammadAG> what's worse is that when he joined the channel, he wasn't cloaked
Dec 29 19:44:58 <lolcat> Bah, I have to get back to work
Dec 29 19:44:59 <trx> omg
Dec 29 19:45:03 <MohammadAG> so you have 1) his IP, 2) his root password
Dec 29 19:45:05 <lolcat> MohammadAG: ssh is turned off
Dec 29 19:45:09 <MohammadAG> and sshd is probably running on port 22
Dec 29 19:45:11 <MohammadAG> good luck
Dec 29 19:45:15 <trx> lol :D
Dec 29 19:45:19 <MohammadAG> tsk tsk tsk
Dec 29 19:45:43 <MohammadAG> was it turned off or did you turn it off when I mentioned it? :P
Dec 29 19:46:20 <trx> turning it off as we speak :)
Dec 29 19:48:29 * javispedro ponders if Bill Gates will reply to requests for documentation about windows 3.x mouse drivers
Dec 29 19:53:54 <RST38h> javispedro: Have you sent your request by FedEx?
Dec 29 19:54:21 <javispedro> no, why?
Dec 29 20:20:08 <DocScrutinizer> billyboy doesn't read email
Dec 29 20:21:05 <DocScrutinizer> too many geeks asking for documentation about win2.0 mousedrivers :-P
Dec 29 20:21:33 <DocScrutinizer> or complaining about "win7 sucks!!1!!"
Dec 29 20:21:47 <MohammadAG> vista*
Dec 29 20:21:56 <DocScrutinizer> *
Dec 29 20:22:04 <DocScrutinizer> M$-*
Dec 29 20:22:35 <technomike> Hey guys :)
Dec 29 20:25:15 <DocScrutinizer> hi
Dec 29 20:25:53 <MohammadAG> hey technomike
Dec 29 20:37:42 <Ex-Opesa> Is there any way to view GIF images in maemo fremantle guys?
Dec 29 21:06:18 <lcuk> Ex-Opesa, microb i believe supports them
Dec 29 21:17:11 <Ex-Opesa> lcuk: ah okay, thank you.
Dec 29 21:42:21 <Venemo> hi
Dec 29 21:49:09 * timeless_mbp frowns
Dec 29 21:49:15 <timeless_mbp> how do i export bookmarks from microb? :)
Dec 29 21:51:39 <satmd> wasn't it just a modded firefox, if so it's a bookmarks.html
Dec 29 21:51:50 <satmd> iirc
Dec 29 21:51:55 <timeless_mbp> no
Dec 29 21:51:59 <timeless_mbp> it's XBEL
Dec 29 21:52:05 <timeless_mbp> because we were ordered to use a crappy format
Dec 29 21:52:35 <timeless_mbp> but i don't want to know where .bookmarks/MyBookmarks.xml lives
Dec 29 21:52:43 <timeless_mbp> i want to know if anyone knows if we have an export feature
Dec 29 21:52:49 * timeless_mbp thought there was one in diablo
Dec 29 21:52:56 * timeless_mbp can't find it in fremantle
Dec 29 21:54:49 <MohammadAG> can't recall seeing it
Dec 29 21:56:00 <MohammadAG> nope, no such option
Dec 29 21:56:06 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, how do I restart browserd?
Dec 29 21:56:10 <MohammadAG> the init.d way isn't working
Dec 29 21:56:16 <timeless_mbp> isn't working?
Dec 29 21:56:41 <MohammadAG> I still see a white window with the moving bar
Dec 29 21:56:48 <MohammadAG> missing options from top menu bar
Dec 29 21:57:11 <javispedro> timeless_mbp: I guess you might be able to use osso-backup, then grep the resulting zip file contents for your bookmarks =)
Dec 29 21:57:29 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: i could just cp -a the .bookmarks directory
Dec 29 21:57:49 <javispedro> oh, there's one.
Dec 29 21:57:51 <javispedro> that's nice to know.
Dec 29 21:57:54 <timeless_mbp> sadly, it turns out that ovi suite doesn't support syncing bookmarks (i insisted on not supporting such a stupid feature)
Dec 29 21:58:10 <timeless_mbp> so my fears of ovi suite ruining my bookmarks were unfounded
Dec 29 21:58:16 <timeless_mbp> but the ui did lead me to fear it would do so
Dec 29 21:58:55 <MohammadAG> heh
Dec 29 22:00:16 <jacekowski> i want bookmark sync
Dec 29 22:00:19 <jacekowski> but with opera link
Dec 29 22:00:32 <epp> my n900 should be arriving in 2 days
Dec 29 22:00:37 <javispedro> oh, I am sure single-vendor bookmark syncing works flawlessly
Dec 29 22:01:04 <Venemo> timeless_mbp: there should be a way to connect MicroB to Firefox Sync
Dec 29 22:01:13 <jacekowski> why people are still buying phone with dead platform
Dec 29 22:01:14 <timeless_mbp> that's different
Dec 29 22:01:24 <javispedro> jacekowski: every platform is dead :)
Dec 29 22:01:36 <timeless_mbp> javispedro: yeah, they just don't know it yet
Dec 29 22:03:44 <pradeep_> jacekowski, what do you mean by dead platforms???
Dec 29 22:04:07 <SpeedEvil> sybian?
Dec 29 22:04:12 <SpeedEvil> :)
Dec 29 22:04:26 <jacekowski> pradeep_: maemo is dead
Dec 29 22:04:36 <jacekowski> pradeep_: n900 is last phone with maemo
Dec 29 22:04:44 <jacekowski> pradeep_: and replacement will arrive soon
Dec 29 22:04:58 <epp> because i want to inject packets.
Dec 29 22:05:01 <epp> duh.
Dec 29 22:05:57 <pradeep_> hmmm i think so
Dec 29 22:06:09 <pradeep_> but meefo is partly open source
Dec 29 22:06:27 <pradeep_> but is meego not built from maemo
Dec 29 22:06:36 <SpeedEvil> pradeep_: sort-of.
Dec 29 22:06:59 <SpeedEvil> In the same way that if you knock down a house, you can rebuild it using some of the same bricks.
Dec 29 22:07:10 <SpeedEvil> That doesn't make it a similar house.
Dec 29 22:11:35 <timeless_mbp> anyone here happen to have a "local mirror" of "debian"? :)
Dec 29 22:20:32 <Venemo> jacekowski: well when Maemo "dies", we can always switch to MeeGO
Dec 29 22:22:50 <SpeedEvil> SSU
Dec 29 22:23:23 <kerio> a "mirror" of "debian"?
Dec 29 22:23:31 <ShadowJK> widelands has a game timer. I've wasted 11 hours playing one game on N900
Dec 29 22:23:34 <kerio> yeah, i "mirrored" your "debian"
Dec 29 22:28:00 <timeless_mbp> kerio: i'm looking for someone who could run a script on what would be roughly the set of all packages that could be installed from debian-stable (only one [presumably the latest] version per package)
Dec 30 00:00:01 * trumee strange imageviewer doesn't support bmp image format
Dec 30 00:54:07 <BCMM> there seem to be multiple packages that provide for some sort of timed profile changes (going silent at night, etc.) - anyone prefer any specific one, for a reason?
Dec 30 00:56:48 <jacekowski> i was looking at psp specs
Dec 30 00:56:55 <jacekowski> and it has 300MHz mips processor
Dec 30 00:57:15 <luke-jr> what?
Dec 30 00:57:22 <luke-jr> 300MHz sucks :P
Dec 30 00:57:29 <jacekowski> with very shitty graphic processor
Dec 30 00:57:45 <jacekowski> and it should be possible to emulate it at reasonable speed at n900
Dec 30 00:57:59 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, 333
Dec 30 00:58:07 <MohammadAG> :P
Dec 30 00:58:19 <jacekowski> hmm
Dec 30 00:58:27 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, actually, some/most first gen PSP games ran at 222MHz
Dec 30 00:58:44 <ShadowJK> dunno, emulating 300MHz MIPS on 600MHz could be tricky
Dec 30 00:58:55 <MohammadAG> and some custom firmware raised that to 333MHz
Dec 30 00:59:04 <jacekowski> it was sony firmware
Dec 30 00:59:06 <MohammadAG> then sony unlocked the CPU in an update so devs can use it
Dec 30 00:59:11 <luke-jr> even my router has 400MHz :p
Dec 30 00:59:25 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, yes, but old games with old firmware libs had 222MHz as the top CPU speed
Dec 30 00:59:42 <MohammadAG> but think about it
Dec 30 00:59:49 <MohammadAG> the PSP is 400x272 or sth
Dec 30 01:00:00 <MohammadAG> and the games look pixelated on that
Dec 30 01:00:39 <jacekowski> thing is that psp is running old mips
Dec 30 01:00:47 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, anyways, is there even a PC emulator for PSP games?
Dec 30 01:01:04 <jacekowski> yes
Dec 30 01:01:05 <jacekowski> lot of them
Dec 30 01:01:16 <jacekowski> one in java
Dec 30 01:01:27 <pupnik> jacekowski: what system has ever been emulated by a host system with 2x the mhz of the emulated system?
Dec 30 01:01:27 <MohammadAG> for games?
Dec 30 01:01:32 <MohammadAG> I thought they only emualted homebrew
Dec 30 01:01:43 <jacekowski> they emulate games as well
Dec 30 01:01:45 <MohammadAG> pupnik, 3x
Dec 30 01:01:50 <pupnik> ok 3
Dec 30 01:01:53 <ds3> speaking of emulators, anyone got stella running with the n900?
Dec 30 01:01:53 <MohammadAG> as I said, some games ran at 222
Dec 30 01:02:04 <ds3> and have debs for the n900
Dec 30 01:02:05 <pupnik> yes ds3 - it's ugly but works
Dec 30 01:02:12 <jacekowski> pupnik: first, arm is a lot faster
Dec 30 01:02:14 <ds3> pupnik: got working debs for the n900?
Dec 30 01:02:23 <pupnik> not really
Dec 30 01:02:34 <jacekowski> pupnik: i mean, new cortex is a lot faster than 30 years old r4000
Dec 30 01:02:59 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, then it's very possible to get an emulator
Dec 30 01:03:02 <MohammadAG> but keep this in mind
Dec 30 01:03:04 <ds3> jacekowski: but the r4000 doesn't have the nice branch avoidance setup that the ARMs have
Dec 30 01:03:07 <pupnik> well i know someone who is writing a PSP emulator :)
Dec 30 01:03:10 <MohammadAG> a PSP can run PS1 games
Dec 30 01:03:16 <MohammadAG> and we see how those perform on the N900
Dec 30 01:03:28 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: how?
Dec 30 01:03:34 <MohammadAG> so unless you get the SGX working properly with it...
Dec 30 01:03:38 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, crap
Dec 30 01:03:43 <MohammadAG> 10-15 FPS
Dec 30 01:03:49 <jacekowski> acceptable
Dec 30 01:03:54 <MohammadAG> o_O
Dec 30 01:04:01 <MohammadAG> (without SGX fyi)
Dec 30 01:04:02 <jacekowski> overclock it to like 800MHz
Dec 30 01:04:21 <MohammadAG> would rather have it graphically accelerated
Dec 30 01:04:52 <jacekowski> hmmmmm
Dec 30 01:05:00 <jacekowski> ps1 was running 33MHz mips r3000
Dec 30 01:05:32 <jacekowski> no chance
Dec 30 01:05:39 <MohammadAG> to?
Dec 30 01:05:55 <jacekowski> emulate 200MHz r4000
Dec 30 01:06:04 <jacekowski> unless there are major screw ups in that code
Dec 30 01:06:08 <jacekowski> but hmm
Dec 30 01:06:30 <jacekowski> qemu has like 1 to 10 instruction rate in fully emulated mode
Dec 30 01:06:33 <MohammadAG> well, I think it runs full speed on the pandora
Dec 30 01:06:34 <jacekowski> for x86
Dec 30 01:06:48 <MohammadAG> and the pandora has the same specs as the N900 (?)
Dec 30 01:07:16 <jacekowski> well, there is one linux psp emulator
Dec 30 01:07:25 <jacekowski> we can see if it works at all
Dec 30 01:07:35 <MohammadAG> it should
Dec 30 01:07:41 <wolf^> MohammadAG, sony doesn't allow running games at 333 mhz
Dec 30 01:07:50 <MohammadAG> FPS might be in the 0.xs
Dec 30 01:07:57 <MohammadAG> wolf^, CFW does, right
Dec 30 01:08:14 <jacekowski> The PSP uses two 333 MHz MIPS32 R4000-based CPUs, a GPU with 2 MB onboard VRAM running at 166 MHz, and includes 32 MB main RAM and 4 MB embedded DRAM in total.[4] The hardware was originally forced to run more slowly than it was capable of and most games ran at 222 MHz.[124] However, with firmware update 3.50 on May 31, 2007, Sony removed this limit and allowed new games to run at a full 333 MHz.[125]
Dec 30 01:08:21 <jacekowski> wolf^: it does
Dec 30 01:08:21 <jacekowski> fuck
Dec 30 01:08:28 <jacekowski> two 333MHz cpus
Dec 30 01:08:46 <MohammadAG> wait what
Dec 30 01:08:52 <wolf^> jacekowski, you won't pass certification if you run at 333 mhz
Dec 30 01:08:55 <MohammadAG> that means like 666MHz?
Dec 30 01:09:03 <jacekowski> wolf^: it does
Dec 30 01:09:14 <jacekowski> wolf^: http://www.shacknews.com/onearticle.x/47564
Dec 30 01:09:17 <jacekowski> wolf^: read that
Dec 30 01:09:23 <jacekowski> wolf^: Sony Confirms Full PSP CPU Speed (Updated)
Dec 30 01:09:52 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: sort of
Dec 30 01:09:53 <MohammadAG> regardless
Dec 30 01:09:56 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: but not exactly
Dec 30 01:10:05 <MohammadAG> can we focus on the fact that some games were in fact running on 222?
Dec 30 01:10:12 <jacekowski> it's more like 2+2<4
Dec 30 01:10:17 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, weird, never heard of that mentioned anywhere
Dec 30 01:10:19 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: on two cpus
Dec 30 01:10:22 <MohammadAG> the two CPUs part
Dec 30 01:10:24 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: wikipedia
Dec 30 01:10:44 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, maybe the second one is the GPU?
Dec 30 01:10:48 <jacekowski> no
Dec 30 01:10:50 <MohammadAG> wikipedia can have mistakes
Dec 30 01:11:27 <jacekowski> nah
Dec 30 01:11:32 <jacekowski> quick google confirms it
Dec 30 01:11:46 <jacekowski> shit
Dec 30 01:12:00 <jacekowski> even some code translation is not going to help
Dec 30 01:12:28 <jacekowski> with very good jit there will be at least 20% performance impact
Dec 30 01:12:32 <MohammadAG> I'm still not sure about the 2 CPU part
Dec 30 01:13:22 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: 666 with hyper-threading maybe
Dec 30 01:13:29 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: without, more like 800
Dec 30 01:13:42 <luke-jr> (or 600 for 222)
Dec 30 01:13:55 <MohammadAG> I'm quite sure it was one CPU
Dec 30 01:14:05 <MohammadAG> as others say/confirm on another IRC server
Dec 30 01:15:12 <luke-jr> jacekowski: if the binary format is sane and there's no DRM code in them, you could probably pre-recompile MIPS to ARM
Dec 30 01:15:24 <luke-jr> pre-virtualize too
Dec 30 01:16:38 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, it seems the CPU is one, and the Media engine is another processor
Dec 30 01:16:42 <trumee> Can ovi maps do turn by turn navigation on N900?
Dec 30 01:16:44 <MohammadAG> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/PlayStation_Portable_hardware#Technical_specifications
Dec 30 01:16:52 <trumee> ofcourse without voice.
Dec 30 01:17:03 <luke-jr> trumee: with network
Dec 30 01:17:08 <MohammadAG> he secondary CPU present in the Media Engine is functionally equivalent to the primary CPU save for a lack of a VPU
Dec 30 01:17:28 <trumee> luke-jr, is there a way to simulate the route?
Dec 30 01:17:44 <luke-jr> trumee: not afaik
Dec 30 01:18:24 <trumee> luke-jr, i am installing ovi suite hopefully which can let me load the whole map to the device
Dec 30 01:22:12 <wolf^> jacekowski, also, about that shitty psp gpu, n900 has much worse one
Dec 30 01:23:23 <jacekowski> i very much doubt that
Dec 30 01:23:48 <jacekowski> quality of graphic on n900 is a lot better than psp
Dec 30 01:24:09 <pupnik> it's nice that you have an opinion jacekowski
Dec 30 01:24:16 <wolf^> and?
Dec 30 01:24:24 <wolf^> i have code running on psp and n900
Dec 30 01:24:28 <wolf^> and it's 60 vs 20 fps
Dec 30 01:24:52 <jacekowski> 20fps is still acceptable
Dec 30 01:25:07 <ShadowJK> lol
Dec 30 01:25:16 <wolf^> yeah, lol
Dec 30 01:25:20 <ShadowJK> wolf: same resolution too?
Dec 30 01:25:28 <wolf^> same resolution
Dec 30 01:25:43 <wolf^> basically a rebuild for n900, without chaning any assets
Dec 30 01:25:58 * ShadowJK suspects everything except video is limited to about 20 on n900 :-)
Dec 30 01:26:36 <wolf^> if you do software rendering you can have very smooth fps
Dec 30 01:27:18 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: go for marble
Dec 30 01:27:35 <jacekowski> that marble thing
Dec 30 01:27:39 <jacekowski> is it only me
Dec 30 01:27:42 <jacekowski> or it's very slow
Dec 30 01:27:54 <DocScrutinizer> it's slow, but getting faster :-D
Dec 30 01:28:02 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, nope, not only you
Dec 30 01:28:11 <jacekowski> getting faster as in?
Dec 30 01:28:15 <MohammadAG> but it's better than google maps which have all API to israel blocked
Dec 30 01:28:18 <jacekowski> next release will be faster
Dec 30 01:28:32 <MohammadAG> except for the iPhone
Dec 30 01:28:36 * MohammadAG grumbles
Dec 30 01:29:32 <pupnik> the guy writing a psp emu for ARM is 18 years old now and he's got a fair amount done
Dec 30 01:30:07 <MohammadAG> what's new in QtMobility 1.1 again?
Dec 30 01:30:12 * MohammadAG sees no link to a changelog
Dec 30 01:31:02 <jacekowski> pupnik: what age has to do with it?
Dec 30 01:32:46 <luke-jr> wolf^: fps != quality
Dec 30 01:33:22 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: that's probably "Israel"'s fault
Dec 30 01:33:45 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, no, I'll blame apple for it
Dec 30 01:33:48 <technomike> I cannot wait to get my N900 USB port fixed :)
Dec 30 01:33:56 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, it was fine before the iPhone was released
Dec 30 01:34:00 <pupnik> http://i.imgur.com/erTEt.jpg  math on the beach (sfw)
Dec 30 01:34:02 <comawhite> does Maemo support two finger touch?
Dec 30 01:34:07 <MohammadAG> no
Dec 30 01:34:11 <comawhite> aww nutz
Dec 30 01:34:12 <MohammadAG> the hardware doesn't
Dec 30 01:34:14 <luke-jr> comawhite: to an extent
Dec 30 01:34:16 <luke-jr> MohammadAG: it does
Dec 30 01:34:24 <comawhite> what's the extent?
Dec 30 01:34:25 <MohammadAG> I'm not talking about simulated multitouch
Dec 30 01:34:40 <comawhite> I mean like pinching, spreading apart
Dec 30 01:34:41 <MohammadAG> it doesn't in the sense you want
Dec 30 01:34:41 <luke-jr> comawhite: only one finger can move
Dec 30 01:34:51 <luke-jr> comawhite: pinching requires 2 moving fingers
Dec 30 01:34:55 <comawhite> nuts
Dec 30 01:34:57 <MohammadAG> luke-jr, that's not multitouch
Dec 30 01:35:07 <MohammadAG> that's confused singletouch
Dec 30 01:40:15 <wolf^> luke-jr, how do you quantify quality?
Dec 30 01:40:26 <luke-jr> wolf^: what looks pretty
Dec 30 01:40:47 <wolf^> n900 cannot into pretty due to the fps issues
Dec 30 01:40:56 <wolf^> and even ugly driver bugs that lock up the phone
Dec 30 01:42:25 <wolf^> luke-jr, http://img573.imageshack.us/i/screenshot2010123002383.png/
Dec 30 01:42:30 <wolf^> it runs at maybe 2 fps
Dec 30 01:42:51 <wolf^> if i put the resolution up it hangs up the display
Dec 30 01:46:02 <wolf^> ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=foR64ZObAXA#t=1m03 )
Dec 30 01:46:52 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (confused single) ack
Dec 30 01:52:28 <FIQ|n900> oh, awesome, amsn nowdays require something that is unavailable, rendering it useless to use. >_>
Dec 30 01:52:47 <FIQ|n900> (TLS)
Dec 30 01:53:20 <jacekowski> thread local storage?
Dec 30 01:53:38 <jacekowski> wolf^: i've seen better stuff in 4k category
Dec 30 01:53:52 <FIQ|n900> the security thing which acronym definition i've forgotten
Dec 30 01:54:00 <MohammadAG> FIQ|n900, sorry about that
Dec 30 01:54:12 <DocScrutinizer> HELL
Dec 30 01:54:16 <MohammadAG> apparently, it's hardcoded to look in /opt, and the tcl packages are optified
Dec 30 01:54:16 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather EDDN
Dec 30 01:54:19 <apt> Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0120 UTC; Dew Point: 3 F (-16 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.24 in. Hg (1024 hPa); Relative Humidity: 92%; Temperature: 5 F (-15 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the E (080 degrees) at 2 MPH (2 KT)
Dec 30 01:54:26 <MohammadAG> humidity 92 lol
Dec 30 01:54:35 <jacekowski> does it mean under water?
Dec 30 01:54:40 <FIQ|n900> -16C
Dec 30 01:54:43 <SpeedEvil> 92% humidity is not a lot of humidity at -16C
Dec 30 01:54:45 <FIQ|n900> sounds warm
Dec 30 01:54:49 <MohammadAG> ~weather Israel
Dec 30 01:54:51 <apt> I can't find station code "ISRAEL" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 01:55:05 <FIQ|n900> ~weather Sweden
Dec 30 01:55:07 <apt> I can't find station code "SWEDEN" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 01:55:11 <SpeedEvil> 92% humidity means that there is 92% of the most water the air can hold at -16c
Dec 30 01:55:17 <nox-> use airport codes
Dec 30 01:55:20 <FIQ|n900> ~weather stockholm
Dec 30 01:55:20 <SpeedEvil> ~weather EDIN
Dec 30 01:55:21 <apt> I can't find station code "STOCKHOLM" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 01:55:22 <apt> I can't find station code "EDIN" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 01:55:44 <nox-> ~weather muc
Dec 30 01:55:46 <apt> I can't find station code "MUC" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 01:55:50 <nox-> heh
Dec 30 01:55:56 <MohammadAG> ~weather LLJR
Dec 30 01:55:57 <apt> I can't find station code "LLJR" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 01:56:02 <nox-> hm
Dec 30 01:56:04 <luke-jr> ~weather 33523
Dec 30 01:56:06 <apt> I can't find station code "33523" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 01:56:09 <luke-jr> fail
Dec 30 01:56:16 <MohammadAG> /query
Dec 30 01:56:34 <mikki-kun> is apt our bot?
Dec 30 01:56:47 <MohammadAG> it's the same as infobot
Dec 30 01:56:51 <mikki-kun> ohhhh, ok
Dec 30 01:56:52 <DocScrutinizer> no !  she's *mine*!
Dec 30 01:56:57 <mikki-kun> LOL
Dec 30 01:57:05 <BCMM> pupnik: probably something very similar to the host
Dec 30 01:57:09 <mikki-kun> DocScrutinizer: you gotta train your slave better...
Dec 30 01:57:23 <BCMM> pupnik: woah, sorry, i was reading the scrollback and thought i was reading current stuff
Dec 30 02:00:16 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather LBBG
Dec 30 02:00:18 <apt> Burgas, Bulgaria; (LBBG) 42-29N 027-29E 28M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0130 UTC; Dew Point: 17 F (-8 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.30 in. Hg (1026 hPa); Relative Humidity: 85%; Temperature: 21 F (-6 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the W (280 degrees) at 2 MPH (2 KT)
Dec 30 02:00:27 <DocScrutinizer> err
Dec 30 02:00:31 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather LLBG
Dec 30 02:00:34 <apt> Ben-Gurion International Airport, Israel; (LLBG) 32-00N 034-54E 49M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0150 UTC; Dew Point: 37 F (3 C); Pressure (altimeter): 29.80 in. Hg (1009 hPa); Relative Humidity: 44%; Temperature: 59 F (15 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: Variable at 2 MPH (2 KT)
Dec 30 02:01:19 <Noma> ~weather EFTP
Dec 30 02:01:21 <apt> Tampere / Pirkkala, Finland; (EFTP) 61-25N 023-35E 112M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0150 UTC; Dew Point: 5 F (-15 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.03 in. Hg (1017 hPa); Relative Humidity: 92%; Sky conditions: overcast; Temperature: 6 F (-14 C); Visibility: 1 mile(s); Weather: Light snow; Wind: from the NNE (020 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT); Windchill: -4 F (-20 C)
Dec 30 02:03:00 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, 15C :(
Dec 30 02:03:21 * MohammadAG wants subzero temperatures too :(
Dec 30 02:03:23 <mikki-kun> is there any sense behind those codes?
Dec 30 02:03:29 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather EDDM
Dec 30 02:03:31 <apt> Munchen, Germany; (EDDM) 48-21N 011-47E; last updated: 2010.12.30 0150 UTC; Dew Point: 19 F (-7 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.21 in. Hg (1023 hPa); Relative Humidity: 85%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 23 F (-5 C); Visibility: 3 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (050 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT); Windchill: 15 F (-9 C)
Dec 30 02:04:02 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: They are airport codes
Dec 30 02:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml
Dec 30 02:06:02 <SpeedEvil> ~weather EQGL
Dec 30 02:06:04 <apt> I can't find station code "EQGL" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 02:06:22 <SpeedEvil> ~weather EGQL
Dec 30 02:06:22 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you can have them for take away
Dec 30 02:06:24 <apt> Leuchars, United Kingdom; (EGQL) 56-23N 002-52W 0M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0150 UTC; Dew Point: 35 F (2 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.21 in. Hg (1023 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Sky conditions: partly cloudy; Temperature: 35 F (2 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the WNW (290 degrees) at 7 MPH (6 KT); Windchill: 28 F (-2 C)
Dec 30 02:06:59 <mikki-kun> ~weather EDDL
Dec 30 02:07:02 <apt> Duesseldorf, Germany; (EDDL) 51-18N 006-46E 41M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0150 UTC; Dew Point: 28 F (-2 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.24 in. Hg (1024 hPa); Relative Humidity: 86%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 32 F (0 C); Visibility: greater than 7 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (050 degrees) at 2 MPH (2 KT)
Dec 30 02:07:25 <mikki-kun> hm... no wonder i ain't freezing anymore
Dec 30 02:07:35 <mikki-kun> 0°C...
Dec 30 02:08:06 <SpeedEvil> That's about right - leuchars - for me - it's about 10 miles from here.
Dec 30 02:08:16 <SpeedEvil> Yeah - it's warmed up so much I turned the heating off.
Dec 30 02:08:41 <SpeedEvil> Well - apart from electric blanket.
Dec 30 02:09:09 <mikki-kun> ~weather LSZH
Dec 30 02:09:12 <apt> Zurich-Kloten, Switzerland; (LSZH) 47-29N 008-32E 432M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0150 UTC; Dew Point: 33 F (1 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Sky conditions: obscured; Temperature: 33 F (1 C); Visibility: less than 1 mile; Weather: Fog; Wind: Variable at 1 MPH (1 KT) (direction variable)
Dec 30 02:09:13 * DocScrutinizer suspects SpeedEvil has a heating just for sake of waterpipes and LiIon cells
Dec 30 02:09:20 <mikki-kun> ok, no snow when i get home
Dec 30 02:10:28 <DocScrutinizer> well, I seem to spot a certain logic in these codes. I still fail on fist letter though
Dec 30 02:10:51 <mikki-kun> DocScrutinizer: what does the second D stand for in germany?
Dec 30 02:10:58 <DocScrutinizer> if E stood for Europe, so why is Israel like Swiss L then
Dec 30 02:11:20 <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: not entirely sure. maybe a filler
Dec 30 02:12:36 <mikki-kun> Dat schöne München liegt im noch schöneren Freistaat Bayern! (bin in Augsburg geboren ^^) - Beautiful Munich lies in the georgeous free state Bavaria!
Dec 30 02:13:45 <mikki-kun> i guess those guys didn't know when they made those codes Germany is also seperated into states...
Dec 30 02:14:23 <DocScrutinizer> but then
Dec 30 02:14:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather ETFB
Dec 30 02:14:34 <apt> I can't find station code "ETFB" (see http://www.nws.noaa.gov/oso/site.shtml or http://www.nws.noaa.gov/tg/siteloc.shtml for ICAO locations codes).
Dec 30 02:14:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~weather ETSF
Dec 30 02:14:54 <apt> Fuerstenfeldbruck, Germany; (ETSF) 48-12N 011-16E 535M; last updated: 2007.10.09 0544 UTC; Dew Point: 39 F (4 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.24 in. Hg (1024 hPa); Relative Humidity: 100%; Sky conditions: mostly clear; Temperature: 39 F (4 C); Visibility: less than 1 mile; Weather: Mist; Wind: from the S (190 degrees) at 1 MPH (1 KT)
Dec 30 02:15:00 <mikki-kun> WTF?!
Dec 30 02:15:10 <mikki-kun> Teudschland? XD
Dec 30 02:15:15 <DocScrutinizer> Teutschlant
Dec 30 02:15:48 <mikki-kun> either i fail to see the logic here or those codes were made by drunks...
Dec 30 02:15:56 <mikki-kun> i guess later one is the case
Dec 30 02:19:57 <Termana> good morning
Dec 30 02:21:13 <mikki-kun> Termana: good morning :)
Dec 30 02:26:15 <pupnik> expensive low temps
Dec 30 02:37:17 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Dec 30 02:37:17 <apt> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Dec 30 02:38:46 <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: TTR
Dec 30 02:39:05 <DocScrutinizer> now reassigned to miliTary
Dec 30 02:39:30 <DocScrutinizer> mikki-kun: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/ICAO-Code#Aufbau_des_ICAO-Codes
Dec 30 02:40:45 <DocScrutinizer> E=northern Europe, L=southern Europe
Dec 30 02:41:03 <nox-> ~weather eddh
Dec 30 02:41:06 <apt> Hamburg-Fuhlsbuettel, Germany; (EDDH) 53-38N 010-00E 15M; last updated: 2010.12.30 0220 UTC; Dew Point: 15 F (-9 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.30 in. Hg (1026 hPa); Relative Humidity: 92%; Sky conditions: mostly cloudy; Temperature: 17 F (-8 C); Visibility: 1 mile(s); Weather: Mist; Wind: from the ENE (070 degrees) at 3 MPH (3 KT)
Dec 30 02:41:34 <nox-> bbl
Dec 30 02:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> EDD = international civil german airport
Dec 30 02:48:07 <mikki-kun> seems it is really made way too complicated...
Dec 30 02:53:01 <SpeedEvil> You have to fit all the airports in the world into a four letter code.
Dec 30 02:53:28 * SpeedEvil flashes his phone.
Dec 30 02:53:36 <SpeedEvil> Maybe now sound'll start working.
Dec 30 02:54:48 <mikki-kun> SpeedEvil: problems with your sound?
Dec 30 02:54:54 <mikki-kun> there was a bug in a package
Dec 30 02:55:13 <mikki-kun> it rebuilt a nokia-buult package which it acutally shouldn't
Dec 30 02:55:15 <SpeedEvil> Somehow pulseaudio wasn't starting.
Dec 30 02:55:22 <SpeedEvil> In principle, I'm in favour of this.
Dec 30 02:56:36 <SpeedEvil> Aha - Mr Hands! With sound.
Dec 30 02:57:18 <DocScrutinizer> bleurrgh
Dec 30 02:58:12 <DocScrutinizer> this sound is the true reason why PA was broken in that package mikki-kun mentioned
Dec 30 02:59:23 <mikki-kun> PA?
Dec 30 02:59:29 <mikki-kun> ahhh, pulse audio
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