**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 02 02:59:58 2011 Jan 02 03:51:14 Guys. How can I increase the status bar? I think there was some way to disable the scrolling. Jan 02 03:59:56 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66251 Ex-Opesa Jan 02 04:01:32 Salam Alaikum MohammadAG Jan 02 04:01:41 o/ Jan 02 04:03:14 MohammadAG: Powatool can also increase number of lines of statuses? Jan 02 04:05:37 no, it's not a runtime thing Jan 02 04:06:28 Yeah AFAIK it only edits the config but I am asking if it increases the lines from 5 to 6. Jan 02 04:06:40 Let me install and try it. And thanks for the head ups. Jan 02 04:07:40 snes9x for archos: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_wXpY0ix0 Jan 02 04:07:42 pocketsnes for archos http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfyOE33KJA Jan 02 04:07:47 check out the speed difference ;) Jan 02 04:35:40 what about stella? :D Jan 02 04:35:53 prehaps with the joystick replaced by the accelormeter? Jan 02 05:02:51 ds3: stella isn't a challenging system to emulate Jan 02 05:03:02 i mean emulator to get running fast Jan 02 05:03:27 *nod* but all the interesting games are on stella Jan 02 05:06:36 :) Jan 02 05:06:47 that's hardcore man Jan 02 05:07:27 ds3: for example? Jan 02 05:09:16 ds3: this should work actually http://pupnik.de/chinook/stella_2.4.1-1_armel.deb Jan 02 05:17:31 By the way xenon flash is better or dual-led flash is better? Jan 02 05:20:24 I like dual-LED; in theory at least it can be used in torch mode during video recording. In reality, it's useful as a flashlight if nothing else Jan 02 05:20:49 Mate, how do you it in video recording? :S Jan 02 05:21:08 Not sure, which is why I said "theory" Jan 02 05:21:39 I was just reading this http://shootspeak.com/2010/11/08/nokia-n8-camera-preview/and ya n900's camera had bad result against n8's xenon flash. See the toys/room image. Jan 02 05:21:59 Yeah. Jan 02 05:22:22 I can tell you that the n900's flash is fairly short-range; It goes around 6-8 feet, at least in torch mode Jan 02 05:23:29 Did you see the link? Jan 02 05:23:46 the N86's flash is epic Jan 02 05:23:57 Not until now; you added "and" to the end, making it a broken URL Jan 02 05:24:20 that n8 camera is awesome Jan 02 05:24:21 Actually I always think why n900's camera is so greenish when it comes to dark room images. :/ Jan 02 05:24:42 small lens is one Jan 02 05:24:45 btw Jan 02 05:24:59 the N86's LED flash is almost on par with Xenon flashes Jan 02 05:24:59 Well, erm, there's 2X the green sensors, so you'd expect things to be greenish if it's not filtered quite right Jan 02 05:25:03 In light/sunny days its pretty awesome but at dark environment it fails. Jan 02 05:25:21 pupnik: pitfall, donkey kong, millipede, centipede, etc... classic stuff Jan 02 05:25:27 and it beats the crap out of the N900's flash Jan 02 05:26:23 Yeah! Any way you guys got around to get rid of greenish images other then blessn900? Jan 02 05:26:25 The N8 might be nice, but it's missing crucial features - Hardware keyboard, Debian-based OS... Jan 02 05:26:41 Indeed RobbieThe1st. Jan 02 05:27:47 hmm Jan 02 05:28:00 thinking of replacing the flash on the N900 with that orn the N86 Jan 02 05:28:03 ds3: well if it doesn' work let me know Jan 02 05:28:08 i wonder if it's possible Jan 02 05:28:14 RobbieThe1st: It really doesn't work that way. Jan 02 05:28:26 ...which? Jan 02 05:28:33 RobbieThe1st: There is a complex process going on to seperate out the luminance and chrominance components Jan 02 05:28:47 And if it's not done right, wouldn't it be off? Jan 02 05:29:07 Yes, but not to greenish for any sane implementation of the algorightm. Jan 02 05:29:38 fcam works quite well for me even in dim light Jan 02 05:30:12 Hm... could that be why 'mirror' ends up with a very greenish tint on the front cam? i.e. a -non-sane- implementation? Jan 02 05:31:46 possibly - or miscalibration. Jan 02 05:31:48 afaik the r,g,b, sensors have different response curves which need correction in software Jan 02 05:32:02 That makes sense Jan 02 05:32:41 The cameras go through a module that is designed to fix and correct the image Jan 02 05:32:47 this is quite complex. Jan 02 05:32:53 then add to that the varying 'color temperatures' you take pictures-in and it becomes a non-trivial problem to correct Jan 02 05:32:59 Then there is setup of the registers in the camera themselves. Jan 02 05:33:26 pupnik: You are right I also feel RGB sensors are messed up in n900. Some there is mostly yellow or greenish tint. Jan 02 05:33:37 Sometimes there is* Jan 02 05:34:42 i don't know anything about how it's really done Jan 02 05:34:59 i would think it should be done by the sensor manufacturer Jan 02 05:38:43 Yeah. Jan 02 05:51:34 good morning Jan 02 07:14:29 Good Morning Termana! Jan 02 07:58:01 hello Jan 02 09:03:47 wats up all Jan 02 09:15:13 hi Jan 02 09:16:07 "Non-recurring iPhone alarms stopped working on January 1 for devices running iOS 4.02, 4.1, and 4.2.1 Jan 02 09:17:52 synergy is the best thing ever Jan 02 09:19:40 Care [ ] Don't care [X] Jan 02 09:20:44 pupnik: Yes, saw that yesterday. Priceless. Jan 02 09:21:15 Hi, how can i run .ram files on maemo? Jan 02 09:21:35 i tried mplayer, vlc, but nothing worked for it! Jan 02 09:23:35 What's a .ram file? Jan 02 09:23:45 I've never heard of that typwe Jan 02 09:25:30 real audio media Jan 02 09:25:36 RobbieThe1st, Realmedia files Jan 02 09:28:01 another example why n900 is better then I* http://discussions.apple.com/thread.jspa?threadID=2702635 *funny* Jan 02 09:29:07 xnixan, is the audio actually in the file? or is the file just a 'playlist'? Jan 02 09:30:16 johnx, it is in the file, and that apply also for .rm files Jan 02 09:30:40 what does mplayer say when you try to play the file? Jan 02 09:32:24 hey johnx Jan 02 09:32:34 hey RST38h Jan 02 09:32:50 slow news day today, here Jan 02 09:32:55 anything happening where you are? Jan 02 09:33:01 Nah, just snow Jan 02 09:33:16 Long holidays until 11th Jan 02 09:33:42 took some long overdue vacation time here Jan 02 09:34:02 isn't it a bit wrong season for vacation? Jan 02 09:34:29 I had some "don't call them comp-time for HR reasons" days I needed to take sooner rather than later Jan 02 09:34:47 and I have friend in town 3rd to 7th, so it seemed like a good coincidence Jan 02 09:35:21 it'd be a good time to vacation to mexico or south america, but that's not in the cards right now ... Jan 02 09:35:50 actually, it'll be a fun test: I'm going to stop checking work email and see if the whole place falls down while I'm gone Jan 02 09:37:51 hehe Jan 02 09:38:07 things are slow this time of year, so I doubt it... Jan 02 09:38:23 hi all Jan 02 09:38:30 hallo trx Jan 02 09:39:04 RST38h, in a lot of industries, yes. in mine, it's pretty busy right now Jan 02 09:39:16 but things are so much better off now than they were two years ago Jan 02 09:39:45 so I'm hoping my boss will be able to hold down the fort for a week ... Jan 02 09:40:16 I want my app (code editor) to be able to send "pastes" to my pastebin, but there is a problem as my app will be open source, everyone can see user/pass of that mysql account, any ideas how to solve this? Jan 02 09:41:29 is this a pastebin site that you run? or are we talking about a public pastebin site? Jan 02 09:42:04 its mine Jan 02 09:42:17 are there public ones that offer mysql connection? Jan 02 09:42:25 i could use those then Jan 02 09:42:29 why do you need to submit with mysql? Jan 02 09:42:38 ehehe Jan 02 09:42:58 how should i submit otherwise? Jan 02 09:43:20 an http post? with the pastebinit CLI app? send some email somewhere? Jan 02 09:43:55 all can be abused :/ Jan 02 09:44:01 yes Jan 02 09:44:03 and http is too much work :/ Jan 02 09:44:32 they're also waaay better choices than mysql, IMNSHO Jan 02 09:44:50 i guess they are.. :/ Jan 02 09:46:18 errr, why is HTTP hard? Jan 02 09:46:42 there is captcha for example Jan 02 09:46:59 and i dont want to have to open a browser Jan 02 09:47:06 so you're really dead set on using this specific pastebin software? Jan 02 09:47:25 no, i open for suggestions.. Jan 02 09:47:27 im* Jan 02 09:50:55 just off the top of my head: you could write up a little PHP script to sit on your web server and accept POSTs from your app and INSERT the result to the database for the pastebin. kinda hacky, but meh Jan 02 09:52:45 yeah, i taught about doing that but it would be open to flood attack :/ Jan 02 09:53:03 rate limit it by IP address Jan 02 09:53:40 no matter what you do there will be possible problems. as long as you know the things that *can* go wrong and the worst case scenario, you can deal with problems as they come up Jan 02 09:54:15 (and your mysql connection would be even more vulnerable, I would think) Jan 02 09:54:19 yep Jan 02 09:54:50 damn, such a nice feature and so many problems arround it :/ Jan 02 09:56:00 so again, if it was me: I'd put up the a really simple PHP script do take the input, do basic validation and drop it into the DB. Then I'd write TODOs for all the potential problems I could see while writing it. then I'd deal with them as they came up Jan 02 09:56:04 or as I had time Jan 02 09:56:31 you could also just require people to get accounts to use the pastebin feature Jan 02 09:57:25 hmm Jan 02 09:57:31 thats an option too Jan 02 09:57:46 .php wont accept unless user is logged in.. Jan 02 09:58:41 trx, common solution for webmasters using php and credentials is to store the include file outside webroot ../sql_config.php or similar Jan 02 09:59:01 hallo lcuk :) Jan 02 09:59:13 heya johnx and happy new year to you \o Jan 02 09:59:24 hi lcuk, ill have that in mind, ty Jan 02 10:04:00 trx, here http://phpsec.org/projects/guide/3.html Jan 02 10:04:06 and the rest too ;) Jan 02 10:05:36 ty :) Jan 02 10:24:49 RST38h: did you see the crazy speed difference between my pocketsnes port and the snes9x? :) Jan 02 10:26:07 No, but I do not find it surprising Jan 02 10:26:32 snes9x (the vanilla version) is not optimized at all Jan 02 10:26:54 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=HN_wXpY0ix0 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CwfyOE33KJA Jan 02 10:29:19 i know i'm talking to someone who writes emulators... this is just as much as I can do Jan 02 10:38:34 pupnik: Yours has not been scaled yet Jan 02 10:38:49 Although I doubt it will cause that much of a performance drop if done properly Jan 02 10:39:17 it's doing scanline scaling in y. and i'll hopefully just pixel-double the width Jan 02 10:39:25 but i'm pretty confused about how it's doing it Jan 02 10:39:47 it's so cool with fbset i can change the bitdepth on the fly Jan 02 10:40:01 i thought i'd have to rewrite it to 32bpp Jan 02 11:19:13 * alterego yawns Jan 02 12:07:57 Hmm...cannot install stuff from ovi store Jan 02 12:11:13 Anyone here is KDE? Jan 02 12:11:54 i thought KDE was a desktop environment Jan 02 12:11:56 not a person Jan 02 12:11:59 I've just been reading that KDE 4 caused a lot of people to join the gnome camp. Just wondering why :) Jan 02 12:12:08 I meant using :P Jan 02 12:12:31 because it is not really good from a usability viewpoint Jan 02 12:12:59 i use kde 4.5 Jan 02 12:13:52 Skald: any issues with it? Jan 02 12:14:02 i have no complaints Jan 02 12:14:12 i have used both gnome and kde Jan 02 12:14:26 I'm wondering how ubuntu 11.04 is going to be with unity over gnome 3.0 shell Jan 02 12:14:28 with ubuntu gnome was a lot better Jan 02 12:14:38 but now since i use arch kde is smoother Jan 02 12:14:56 smoother than in kubuntu i mean Jan 02 12:15:06 Yeah, makes sense Jan 02 12:15:14 In a way ;) Jan 02 12:15:18 yea Jan 02 12:15:25 and i like the customization etc Jan 02 12:15:37 good news: Gnome panel will be ported to Gnome 3 Jan 02 12:15:51 and imo kwin is really functional opposed to compiz having many cool effects Jan 02 12:16:04 I simply dislike the Gnome shell, because it is unusable... Jan 02 12:16:04 I used to like that, but recently, I've just left ubuntu 10.10 as it's default. Jan 02 12:16:20 I can't be bothered changing much, except a few keybindings :) Jan 02 12:16:49 then i believe gnome is the right choice Jan 02 12:16:53 works like a charm Jan 02 12:17:07 Gnome is fine Jan 02 12:17:23 what I like in Gnome is that it is dead easy to use and find anything in it Jan 02 12:17:27 Have not checked KDE in a while, probably also ok Jan 02 12:17:37 Well, I'm not talking about ditching it yet ;) I was just wondering why so many people had issues with KDE 4 over previous releases. Jan 02 12:17:54 when i used kubuntu the problem was that it was so cluttered Jan 02 12:18:05 in arch that wasn't a problem Jan 02 12:18:05 gnome definitely isn't cluttered Jan 02 12:18:09 very minimal Jan 02 12:18:15 almost "minimal" D: Jan 02 12:18:21 i mean kde in arch was almost minimal Jan 02 12:19:27 i installed ubuntu 10.10 netbook on a friend's netbook Jan 02 12:19:49 the default interface was so sluggish it looked like hildon Jan 02 12:19:56 hell, it was slower Jan 02 12:20:09 Well, try to compile any of these desktops from source and the word minimal is quickly replaced with "wtf?!?" : Jan 02 12:20:24 how come? Jan 02 12:20:37 Venemo: they screwed up bigtime Jan 02 12:20:48 i set it to standard gnome, it works better Jan 02 12:20:55 i just set both panels to autohide Jan 02 12:21:00 and i also enabled compiz Jan 02 12:21:02 kerio: yeah, I don't bother with the the netbook remix, my gf is running ubuntu 10.04 desktop on hers (my) Dell Mini Jan 02 12:21:09 and it was faster than the netbook interface Jan 02 12:21:13 kerio: ditto Jan 02 12:21:29 also i didn't know that but that Atom is actually a dual-core 800mhz cpu Jan 02 12:21:32 Though I only hide bottom ba.. Jan 02 12:21:45 kerio: not dual core, it's hyper threading Jan 02 12:21:52 same thing :) Jan 02 12:21:59 Not really :P Jan 02 12:22:03 well, it's worse Jan 02 12:22:11 * trumee has been a kde user for the past 8 years Jan 02 12:22:34 * trumee and always disliked Gnome Jan 02 12:22:37 i was a kde user, then i was a gnome user, then i moved to a homebrewed xfce+rox-desktop interface Jan 02 12:22:52 now i use os x Jan 02 12:23:04 rox-desktop rocks Jan 02 12:23:04 Heh Jan 02 12:23:12 os x? yuch Jan 02 12:23:20 Wasn't that the risc os X clone? Jan 02 12:23:27 rox-desktop, is it gtk derived? Jan 02 12:23:38 trumee: yeah Jan 02 12:23:42 crap. Jan 02 12:23:52 well, i didn't use rox-desktop, i used rox-filer and a couple more things Jan 02 12:23:59 wait, no, i used the whole rox-destkop Jan 02 12:24:01 *desktop Jan 02 12:24:07 including a clock widget for the taskbar that *i* made Jan 02 12:24:14 because there was none Jan 02 12:24:52 i somehow find gtk ugly compared to cute. Jan 02 12:25:09 trumee: i see what you did there :P Jan 02 12:26:10 so dont like xfce as well Jan 02 12:26:24 but as a light window manager it is good Jan 02 12:27:23 Well that's just rubbish :P Jan 02 12:27:42 Gtk and Qt look the same to me, (except programming with them) Jan 02 12:27:57 Same basic widgets same colours .. Jan 02 12:28:02 Gtk programming is only ugly if you do it with C Jan 02 12:28:12 Meh Jan 02 12:28:22 Nothing wrong with C :P Jan 02 12:28:23 in C++ (Gtkmm) it is more like Qt Jan 02 12:28:35 Yeah, never used it Jan 02 12:28:44 plus there is Vala for the people who like to use an easy language Jan 02 12:29:01 Venemo: yeah but then you'd have to use C++ Jan 02 12:29:14 kerio: so what then? Jan 02 12:29:23 nothing, nothing Jan 02 12:29:31 it's just that i wouldn't force that on my worse enemy Jan 02 12:29:38 *worst Jan 02 12:30:03 kerio: sorry for my being harsh, just becase you are incompetent to use C++ it doesn't mean that it is not a great language Jan 02 12:31:00 nah Jan 02 12:31:05 * Venemo is off to eat something Jan 02 12:31:59 "PHP: The Good Parts" - That should be a small book :S Jan 02 12:32:17 * alterego contemplates setting up his blog again ... Jan 02 12:34:24 Also need to stick Columbus into gitorious at some point .. Jan 02 12:41:56 I guess tracker uses inotify, I wonder why it sucks sokbad. Jan 02 12:58:53 hi when i try to install the maemo SDK i get this http://paste.kde.org/1670/ Jan 02 12:59:27 the last part is http://paste.kde.org/1671 Jan 02 13:01:40 What distro are you using? Jan 02 13:03:19 Looks like it's the vdso issue Jan 02 13:03:33 af'noon, all Jan 02 13:04:13 shadeslayer: Are you running 32 or 64bit? Jan 02 13:04:27 shadeslayer, Regardless: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#VDSO_support Jan 02 13:04:31 ;) Jan 02 13:04:37 64bit Jan 02 13:04:40 Hey Jaffa :) Jan 02 13:04:51 Jaffa did you have a good New Year? Jan 02 13:04:54 64bit Kubuntu Jan 02 13:05:00 11.04 that is Jan 02 13:05:30 Okay, well follow the x86-64 kernel notes then Jan 02 13:06:24 I usually do the last bit where you stick those three lines in /etc/sysctl.conf, you don't have to worry about it then. Jan 02 13:06:43 I also installed scratchbox manually and it added that stuff. Jan 02 13:06:58 (Which is probably why I didn't suffer this issue on Ubuntu 10.10) Jan 02 13:09:41 alterego: do i have to restart the install now? Jan 02 13:09:48 and download everything again Jan 02 13:09:48 Yes Jan 02 13:09:50 :( Jan 02 13:09:56 Thoguh hopefully it wont have to download everything again ;) Jan 02 13:09:58 alterego: Hoping so ;-) Jan 02 13:10:01 it does .. Jan 02 13:10:02 It should have cached ;) Jan 02 13:10:06 it is cached Jan 02 13:10:07 i can see it Jan 02 13:10:10 ;) Jan 02 13:10:17 Jaffa: good good :) Jan 02 13:10:20 but last time i restarted it, it downloaded everything agagin Jan 02 13:10:22 *again Jan 02 13:10:26 Lets hope it's a good year for mobile Linux Jan 02 13:10:43 shadeslayer: this is why I do it manually. Jan 02 13:11:35 alterego: and the manual way is given on the same page? Jan 02 13:11:47 the thing i don't like with *buntu is that it tends to selfdestruct every ½ year (the dist-upgrade) Jan 02 13:11:58 shadeslayer: nope Jan 02 13:12:01 never had any luck at all with it Jan 02 13:12:13 FredrIQ|n900: I always do fresh installs. Jan 02 13:12:18 Don't trust dist upgrades. Jan 02 13:12:31 Yeah, i've experienced that... :p Jan 02 13:12:43 alterego: what about http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Final_SDK_Installation#Manual_Installation Jan 02 13:12:44 failed 2 of 2 times - forced to reinstall Jan 02 13:13:19 * FredrIQ|n900 will probably go over to a rolling-release distro like Archlinux Jan 02 13:13:19 i prefer rolling-release Jan 02 13:13:27 lol hivemind Jan 02 13:17:24 I just like doing clean installs anyway, forces me to do a biyearly home mop up Jan 02 13:17:46 I'm a perfectionist and I know I'll never get a computer setup that will be perfect. Jan 02 13:18:02 So the occasional nuking keeps my neurotic tendencies at bay ;) Jan 02 13:18:07 shadeslayer: looks right yeah. Jan 02 13:18:28 shadeslayer: you have the benifit of being able to save all the stuff you download too. So you can archive it and not have to do it again ^.^ Jan 02 13:18:41 alterego: lawl :D Jan 02 13:18:43 well Jan 02 13:18:51 theres a cache file ill need to edit Jan 02 13:18:59 or i could just install them debs :P Jan 02 13:19:03 If you can find the files the previous installed, you should be okay. Jan 02 13:19:10 shadeslayer: well, scratchbox is already installed. Jan 02 13:19:14 oh kewp Jan 02 13:19:15 You need to setup your targets is all. Jan 02 13:19:18 *kewl Jan 02 13:22:04 Try from /scratchbox/login Jan 02 13:22:44 Then run: sb-conf ls -T Jan 02 13:23:07 That'll tell you if there are any targets (which there shouldn't be, because you're install failed here) Jan 02 13:23:21 s/you're/your/ Jan 02 13:23:21 alterego meant: That'll tell you if there are any targets (which there shouldn't be, because your install failed here) Jan 02 13:29:04 Is garage.maemo.org FUBAR? Jan 02 13:30:23 ja Jan 02 13:30:30 FFS Jan 02 13:41:32 "ColumbusDialogWaypointsItemMenu" freakin' hell. Jan 02 13:41:48 I think I might have to do some namespacing/refactoring of some kind. Jan 02 13:53:32 ooh Jan 02 13:53:38 Aloha timeless_mbp Jan 02 13:53:40 people are talking about upgrading maemo sdk's Jan 02 13:53:44 * timeless_mbp did that last week Jan 02 13:54:11 upgrading? Jan 02 13:54:13 To what? Jan 02 13:54:17 snapshots: intrepid-eol; karmic-eol; lucid; lucid-vbox4ga Jan 02 13:54:25 LTS :) Jan 02 13:54:30 Oooo Jan 02 13:55:11 * timeless_mbp wonders if JeOS still works Jan 02 14:01:16 Hrm, is there any httpd for N900 at all? Jan 02 14:01:32 with PHP support Jan 02 14:04:16 there is lighttpd, dunno if it's built with php Jan 02 14:04:28 is there even php for hte n900? Jan 02 14:05:02 search php5 in repos Jan 02 14:05:19 there are some afaik Jan 02 14:06:01 FredrIQ|n900: http://redmine.lighttpd.net/wiki/1/TutorialLighttpdAndPHP Jan 02 14:06:36 there is php5 yes Jan 02 14:06:38 actually, i'm sure there are better docs than that about Jan 02 14:10:14 PHP4... apache 1.3... Jan 02 14:10:17 seems outdated Jan 02 14:16:49 Okay, waypoints now almost finished, hrm, probably a good time for a 0.9.2 release then. Jan 02 14:17:01 And on to doing routing. Jan 02 14:17:52 heh, i last used jeos on Mar 1 :) Jan 02 14:19:30 Yay :p Jan 02 14:19:34 "500 - Internal Server Error" Jan 02 14:19:39 At least it started Jan 02 14:20:02 * FredrIQ|n900 has to look what that makes that happen Jan 02 14:23:42 What are you doing btw? Jan 02 14:24:42 Trying to setup a PHP dev environment Jan 02 14:24:47 You just want to be able to do mobile web dev? Jan 02 14:24:55 yes Jan 02 14:24:59 For anything in particular? Or just general pissing around? Jan 02 14:25:13 ofc i'm not going to use a SERVER on a device like this :P Jan 02 14:25:21 Sure, I know. Jan 02 14:25:28 Just wondering if you had a project idea in particular. Jan 02 14:25:41 ah, yes, i have Jan 02 14:25:50 and i'm working on it at my computer Jan 02 14:26:02 Just want to be able to play with it on my phone as well Jan 02 14:26:17 Because a while ago I started working on a Python based web server for the N900, that allowed you to view your contacts, messages, photos etc. Jan 02 14:26:23 Was wondering if you were doing something similar. Jan 02 14:26:34 Ah, not like that Jan 02 14:29:32 Hrm, is there any way to get more info than just a 500? Enabled error logging, but it didn't even write the file Jan 02 14:30:30 Anyone else having troubles with Garage? Jan 02 14:30:51 lardman: yeah, no connect for me. Jan 02 14:30:58 alterego: cheers Jan 02 14:30:59 Just request time out Jan 02 14:31:18 yeah same here on the extras assistant Jan 02 14:31:31 Upload via scp? Jan 02 14:31:50 I suppose I could try, will have a look for the instructions Jan 02 14:34:49 hi, can someone please help me fine the default/stock zimage for pr1.3 ? Jan 02 14:34:58 hmm, not going to work as I can't upload my RSA SSH, ah well Jan 02 14:35:19 Cegy: download the FIASCO image and extract the components using flasher-3.5 Jan 02 14:35:42 how would 1 extract the components ? Jan 02 14:35:53 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Development_Environment/Maemo_Flasher-3.5 Jan 02 14:35:55 Cegy: have you got flasher installed? Jan 02 14:36:06 yep Jan 02 14:36:17 --unpack Jan 02 14:36:23 grr Jan 02 14:36:29 anyone here speak Dutch? Jan 02 14:36:31 Cegy: basically, flasher-3.5 -u -f /path/to/PR1.3_FIASCO_IMAGE Jan 02 14:36:45 timeless_mbp: why? :) Jan 02 14:37:02 alterego: someone wrote something into a dutch thingy and signed w/ my email address Jan 02 14:37:11 O_o Jan 02 14:37:15 What does it say? Jan 02 14:37:20 timeless_mbp: Google? Jan 02 14:37:26 http://terras.write2me.nl/ Jan 02 14:37:57 * timeless_mbp wonders if it's a drug spammer Jan 02 14:38:26 T Jan 02 14:38:37 The only one I see from you is the top one in English .. Jan 02 14:38:37 which post? /me is dutch.. Jan 02 14:38:40 nothing Jan 02 14:38:41 :/ Jan 02 14:38:47 alterego: i didn't post it! Jan 02 14:38:55 might be better if i told you the problem Jan 02 14:39:11 timeless_mbp: oh, well, it's in English? :P Jan 02 14:39:22 Spookje: the one that claims to be from timeless .... Jan 02 14:39:24 Cegy: you just want to flash the kernel right? Jan 02 14:39:30 looks English to me too Jan 02 14:39:52 lardman: well... the host isn't English Jan 02 14:39:57 yes, i see... the page is from a belgian motorclub... Jan 02 14:40:22 i think it was spammed by someone who filled in my email address Jan 02 14:40:32 timeless_mbp: maybe a guy typo'd his e-mail address... Jan 02 14:40:41 it'd be nice if someone told this club or write2me to validate email addresses Jan 02 14:40:45 and protect against spammers Jan 02 14:40:45 i was following the guide to install gingerbread and when i reboot the multimenu is blank, if i press 0 it won't load maemo up so i want to get the phone working again without having to reflash the whole phone Jan 02 14:40:52 no, the link is to a drugs spampage... Jan 02 14:41:02 Venemo: what Spookje said Jan 02 14:41:05 Cegy: right, so you want to reflash, just the kernel :P Jan 02 14:41:16 yes but noi luck :P Jan 02 14:41:50 i used Jan 02 14:41:54 C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R Jan 02 14:42:11 that should work Jan 02 14:42:31 bootmenu wipes initfs right? Jan 02 14:42:34 what were the steps to get Gingerbread working? Jan 02 14:43:02 my N900 tells me I have no initfs when I boot in R&D mode Jan 02 14:43:18 1sec Jan 02 14:43:57 Spookje: right, so, would you be willing to inform write2me or the autoclub that they should do something to block spammers? Jan 02 14:44:44 I could give it a try, but this looks to me like some shitty standard guestbook for people that do not know how to create webapplications.... Jan 02 14:45:02 so i doubt if they have any clue as to how to do that :P Jan 02 14:45:10 heh Jan 02 14:45:49 Spookje: if it's write2me, perhaps they could learn Jan 02 14:46:17 so i flashed the kernel with the cmd as i just said the only thing it does is loads up the multimenu still once i press 0 for maemo i get nothing only http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1972/02012011019.jpg Jan 02 14:47:03 i'll send them a quick e-mail.. Jan 02 14:47:22 thanks Jan 02 14:47:48 lol, they don't even have a contact e-mail listed on their site.. Jan 02 14:48:31 reflash pre-init perhaps? Jan 02 14:48:52 and what would that do as such ? Jan 02 14:49:02 but don't quote me, just going from the error a chap saw here: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=58769 Jan 02 14:49:30 I'd grab that tarball and see what the script does Jan 02 14:50:09 so u fully understand the phone will not boot so its dead Jan 02 14:50:29 You have a PC presumably as you are talking to us on IRC..... Jan 02 14:50:36 correct Jan 02 14:50:51 so, grab the tarball, extract it, see what it does, reflash relevant component Jan 02 14:51:24 You should also think carefully about whether you had the power-kernel installed, as then your kernel modules won't match so you'll need to flash that instead of the vanilla one Jan 02 14:51:39 ahh Jan 02 14:52:16 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=905785#post905785 Jan 02 14:52:20 might be of use Jan 02 14:52:55 MohammadAG gives a kernel command line to use Jan 02 14:53:13 from wat i know it had the power kernel on (this phone isn't mine) Jan 02 14:53:35 in which case you'll need to grab the deb for that, extract the zImage and flash that instead Jan 02 14:53:51 but I'd at least try the kernel cmd line and see if it does anything Jan 02 14:54:06 Spookje: http://www.write2me.nl/helpdesk.php ? :( Jan 02 14:54:30 oh well, i always write to webmaster :P Jan 02 14:54:42 * lardman seems to remember the Maemo.org related websites going down last Christmas too Jan 02 14:54:43 you'd know best. and thanks :) Jan 02 14:54:51 lardman: holiday tradition! Jan 02 14:54:58 timeless_mbp: indeed :) Jan 02 14:55:12 lardman: yeah, I remember that also. Jan 02 14:55:32 Maybe it's just because this time of year there's no one there to fix things so we notice outages as they last a lot longer ;) Jan 02 14:55:56 difficult that the holidays are when the staff aren't around to kick boxes, but the hobby devs are trying to do stuff Jan 02 14:56:04 hi, any experience with qtoolbuttons in a toolbar on maemo cutting off text regardless of its length (happens with long and short strings)? I also find the sizing of icons odd as, if there is no text, a large icon is drawn, and with text, a small icon. Jan 02 14:56:59 tryed that and no luck Jan 02 14:57:25 init=/sbin/preinit_orig Jan 02 14:57:33 sounds like that assumes the preinit has been backed up Jan 02 14:58:44 well I'd try flashing the power-kernel, then try flashing the preinit if that doesn't work Jan 02 14:58:46 just ntoiced there is a zimage for pr1.3 may i should of tryed that first Jan 02 14:58:55 no guarantee though Jan 02 14:59:16 Cegy: I thought you had the FIASCO image for pr1.3 which you'd unpacked? Jan 02 14:59:20 would any power kernel work Jan 02 14:59:32 i couldn't unpack it with the cmd you toldme :( Jan 02 14:59:39 hmm Jan 02 14:59:46 in which case you didn't have a FIASCO image] Jan 02 14:59:51 where did you download it from? Jan 02 15:00:14 http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php Jan 02 15:00:39 hmm, should be fine Jan 02 15:00:42 what was the error? Jan 02 15:00:50 perhaps the download was corrupted? Jan 02 15:01:03 more like what wasn't the error as it didn't know nor did it understand the cmd Jan 02 15:01:21 what does just running "flasher-3.5" do? Jan 02 15:01:33 no path necessary as it should be in /usr/bin afair Jan 02 15:02:27 so you know am using windows not linux Jan 02 15:02:34 oh Jan 02 15:02:35 that cmd would give me the help Jan 02 15:04:06 well the switches may be different for Windows Jan 02 15:04:16 backslash rather than dash for example, I don't know Jan 02 15:04:51 -u, --unpack[=ARG] Unpack a FIASCO image Jan 02 15:05:01 try /u Jan 02 15:05:12 more windows-like afair Jan 02 15:05:19 that doesn't work anyway i think i'll look for a power kernel and see what happens Jan 02 15:05:40 Looking at the help for flasher-3.5, I can't see what flashes the preinit Jan 02 15:05:57 if it's part of the rootfs, you're probably in trouble, anyone know Jan 02 15:06:40 anyway good luck, let us know how you get on, /me heads off to do some coding in front of the TV Jan 02 15:06:53 ok thanks for the help Jan 02 15:09:49 * alterego looks at the rest of his todo list Jan 02 15:11:41 Should maybe attempt to make landscape/portrait transitions nicer .. Jan 02 15:11:48 But that is sort of out of my control unfortunately .. Jan 02 15:13:38 hi Jan 02 15:13:57 is there any app that i can use as timetable on OS2008? Jan 02 15:14:05 alterego do you know if its possible to backup your files when your phone is acting dead (won't boot into maemo) Jan 02 15:14:38 Hrm, Jan 02 15:14:43 Cegy: what's it doing? Jan 02 15:14:45 Does it boot into anything? Jan 02 15:15:04 You can run a backup by booting meego from a microsd card and backup in meego Jan 02 15:15:08 the best i got it to do is to boot into debian but it need a user/pass Jan 02 15:15:47 What? Jan 02 15:15:58 You got your N900 to boot into debian? Jan 02 15:16:18 yeah with the meego zmimage Jan 02 15:16:48 as i said this isn't my phone so i don't know what is or isn't on it lol Jan 02 15:17:10 You're completely confusing things now. Jan 02 15:17:16 What has MeeGo got to do with Debian? Jan 02 15:17:49 i don't know, am only telling you what its doing lol Jan 02 15:18:20 Well, clearly you're not. Jan 02 15:18:28 )j #php Jan 02 15:18:32 lol Jan 02 15:18:34 ehm Jan 02 15:18:39 only thing it does is loads up the multimenu still once i press 0 for maemo i get nothing only http://img205.imageshack.us/img205/1972/02012011019.jpg Jan 02 15:18:46 MeeGo doesn't ask for a user/pass Jan 02 15:18:52 thats all it does at the moment Jan 02 15:18:52 So you're doing something else. Jan 02 15:19:17 Sure, I know what your problem is I have been listening :P Jan 02 15:19:49 each time i try a diffrent zmimage am back to same old problem Jan 02 15:19:51 :P Jan 02 15:20:26 Did you manage to unpack the fiasco image? Jan 02 15:20:59 no Jan 02 15:21:53 Okay, well, run: flasher-3.5 -F C:\\Path\To\RX-51*.bin -u Jan 02 15:22:03 what i do know is that its pr 1.3 and it did have power kernel on it Jan 02 15:22:13 That will unpack the contents of the fiasco image into your current directory. Jan 02 15:22:51 If that command is successfull you should see a load of "Unpacking blah to file 'blah'" Jan 02 15:23:14 i get kernel: %m Jan 02 15:23:45 What? Jan 02 15:23:49 Did you just do what I said? Jan 02 15:23:56 yep Jan 02 15:24:08 C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F kernel RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36 Jan 02 15:24:08 -2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u Jan 02 15:24:08 flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) Jan 02 15:24:08 kernel: %m Jan 02 15:24:13 Okay, and did it say "Unpacking blah image to file 'blah'" Jan 02 15:24:45 That is all it said? Jan 02 15:24:50 yep Jan 02 15:25:02 and there is nothing in your current directory? Jan 02 15:25:28 sure there is the fiasco image is Jan 02 15:26:34 Okay, so again, you didn't do what I said. Jan 02 15:26:38 what is xMasDroid? is it some N900-related flavour of original Gingerbread? Should I install it instead of Gingerbread itself? Jan 02 15:26:50 Cegy: No, do what I said. Jan 02 15:26:53 s/No/Now Jan 02 15:27:01 And come back to me when you've done what I said. Jan 02 15:27:24 Hint: Don't try to be clever. Jan 02 15:27:35 ok Jan 02 15:28:17 same Jan 02 15:28:29 What did you just type Jan 02 15:28:31 C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher Jan 02 15:28:31 -3.5 kernel RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u Jan 02 15:28:31 flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) Jan 02 15:28:31 C:\Program: %m Jan 02 15:28:49 -_- Jan 02 15:28:54 You didn't do what I said, AGAIN Jan 02 15:29:21 When did I tell you to add "kernel" to the command line? Jan 02 15:29:29 Did you even read the help?! Jan 02 15:29:34 oh yea Jan 02 15:29:34 lol Jan 02 15:29:53 C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5 -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher Jan 02 15:29:53 -3.5 RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -u Jan 02 15:29:53 flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009) Jan 02 15:29:53 C:\Program: %m Jan 02 15:29:54 same Jan 02 15:30:20 the location of the image is inside the flasher folder Jan 02 15:30:20 -F C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5 :-D Jan 02 15:30:29 Which is your current directory right? Jan 02 15:30:58 Just do: flasher-3.5 "-F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin" -u Jan 02 15:31:08 Sorry, Just do: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin -u Jan 02 15:31:24 * alterego sighs Jan 02 15:31:46 does dosbox know to globber Jan 02 15:31:54 dosbox? Jan 02 15:31:56 u make a same misstake BUT it works now Jan 02 15:32:02 cmd Jan 02 15:32:10 Yeah, has done for ages. Jan 02 15:32:11 wgarever that shit in win is called Jan 02 15:32:19 Cegy: what are you talking about? Jan 02 15:32:29 Cegy: if it worked, I didn't make a mistake. Jan 02 15:32:38 You're the one typing this shit in, the mistake is yours .. Jan 02 15:32:49 u said flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20_2010.36*.bin -u when it should of bern flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36*.bin -u Jan 02 15:32:51 If you actually were listening you would have done it the first time .. Jan 02 15:33:14 What? Jan 02 15:33:20 You've just pasted to identical commands .. Jan 02 15:33:33 look after 20 Jan 02 15:33:37 20_ Jan 02 15:33:40 vs 20. Jan 02 15:33:44 Oh, I got the filename wrong .. sorry .. Jan 02 15:33:49 hehe Jan 02 15:33:52 I would have thought that would have been a bit of common sense. Jan 02 15:34:00 Considering I'm going from memory here .. Jan 02 15:34:01 i got the zimage and it was the same 1 as i already tryed before Jan 02 15:34:15 Cegy: what are you using to verify they are the same image? Jan 02 15:34:22 hashtab Jan 02 15:34:33 Cegy: and where did you get the first one? Jan 02 15:34:35 the crc32/md5 and sha265 r the same Jan 02 15:34:40 Okay Jan 02 15:34:59 Cegy: if you were smart you'd have used tab-completion on filename Jan 02 15:35:36 http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showpost.php?p=906353&postcount=10 Jan 02 15:35:43 Now do: flasher-3.5 -k zImage -l -b Jan 02 15:35:51 MAke sure the N900 is not connected Jan 02 15:35:55 And it is turned offf. Jan 02 15:36:12 Once you've started that command, plug the N900 in via USB and tell me what happens. Jan 02 15:36:32 ssssssssssssssssss Jan 02 15:36:36 :-P Jan 02 15:36:58 "tick, tick, tick, bOOM!" :) Jan 02 15:37:03 bang Jan 02 15:37:05 :P Jan 02 15:37:36 it sent the zimage but once it was done the blacklight was turned of then the nokia logo faded away and it looks like it crashed Jan 02 15:37:53 Hrm Jan 02 15:38:07 Okay, Jan 02 15:38:23 Possibly because it couldn't find the kernel modules. Jan 02 15:38:32 (because you were using the power kernel) Jan 02 15:38:45 ahh is there any way for me to fix this ? Jan 02 15:38:48 meego-rescue-initrd Jan 02 15:39:01 Sure, there's always a way to fix it. Jan 02 15:39:09 The problem is, you don't know what you're doing ;) Jan 02 15:39:09 ~flash Jan 02 15:39:10 hmm... flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 02 15:39:34 What you need to do is flash the power kernel Jan 02 15:39:37 (Is suspect) Jan 02 15:39:46 i might not know what am doing but this nice guy iss helping me :P Jan 02 15:41:18 * alterego wonders what version of kernel power you were using ;) Jan 02 15:41:32 Download this: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/pool/fremantle-1.3/free/k/kernel-power/kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo42_armel.deb Jan 02 15:41:48 alterego: iff the modules need PK the use a PK fiasco and extract zimage there Jan 02 15:42:01 err Jan 02 15:42:16 There's a PK fiasco? :D Jan 02 15:42:23 yeayea Jan 02 15:42:29 :-P Jan 02 15:42:55 Cegy: download that link I just posted. Jan 02 15:43:03 ok i extract zImage-2.6.28-maemo42.fiasco Jan 02 15:43:23 Oh, it is a fiasco? Jan 02 15:43:51 yeah thats from inside of the boot folder Jan 02 15:44:08 Interesting. Jan 02 15:44:10 Cool, Jan 02 15:44:11 Hang on. Jan 02 15:44:27 ok Jan 02 15:45:11 Okay, now do: flasher-3.5 -F boot/zImage-2.6.28-maemo42.fiasco -f -b Jan 02 15:45:22 (Obviously adjusting the path appropriately) Jan 02 15:45:42 (using tab key to expand/complete) Jan 02 15:45:53 Same as before, make sure the N900 is off when you connect it to the USB cable (after you've started flasher) Jan 02 15:47:39 no luck with that seems to be doing the same again (no backlight and then turns off) Jan 02 15:47:50 Well, I have two more major things to do, add Trip/Routing functionality and add tracklog history loading. Jan 02 15:48:39 * DocScrutinizer wonders why Cegy doesn't simply do a full COMBINED flashing Jan 02 15:48:46 Cegy: So you start the flasher program, you then plug in the N900 (which is turned off) and it turns on then crashes? Jan 02 15:48:49 Is that what you're saying? Jan 02 15:48:57 correct Jan 02 15:49:02 Hrm .. Jan 02 15:49:13 I think you're going to have to flash the rootfs Jan 02 15:49:34 You'll loose installed applications but user data will still be intact. Jan 02 15:49:44 aka COMBINED Jan 02 15:49:45 (contacts, photos etc) Jan 02 15:50:20 if thats the case i'll leave it untill the guy comes back and see what he wants to do with it Jan 02 15:50:29 Okay Jan 02 15:50:50 Otherwise, maybe ask on the nitdroid forums for any pointers on how to fix your booting issue. Jan 02 15:51:34 (int*)0xdeadbeef Jan 02 15:51:42 :) Jan 02 15:51:51 I've seen that a few times kerio ;) Jan 02 15:51:52 ok thanks for the help :) Jan 02 15:52:20 Cegy: sorry we couldn't sort it, if it's something a bit more complicated it's just a real pain to debug via proxy ;) Jan 02 15:52:35 if i ever designed a kernel on 0xdeadbeef you could always find "deadbeef\0" Jan 02 15:52:48 np :) Jan 02 15:55:48 good afternoon MohammadAG Jan 02 15:55:57 Hey Venemo Jan 02 15:56:05 hey alterego :) Jan 02 15:57:34 what's up? Jan 02 15:58:56 Same old junk really. Jan 02 15:59:23 :P Jan 02 16:37:11 MohammadAG: ping Jan 02 16:42:06 i have some questions concerning scratchbox + kernel-power Jan 02 16:42:33 within scratchbox i did "apt-get source kernel-power" Jan 02 16:43:02 do i really need the kernel-power-headers package? Jan 02 16:43:26 all headers seem to be included in the kernel-power sources Jan 02 16:44:07 I would suspect kernel-powrer-headers is simply to build stuff that requires hte ernel headers that are also supplied witht he kenrel Jan 02 16:45:05 i moved the headers directory away just to see that they are not used and the compilation works anyway Jan 02 16:45:55 unfortunately the compiled modules cannot be inserted on the n900 "invalid module format" Jan 02 16:46:29 SpeedEvil: i am pretty sure that i have a kind of mismatch Jan 02 16:46:36 are you running kernel-power kernel? Jan 02 16:46:44 yes Jan 02 16:47:04 uname -r gives me the version 46 Jan 02 16:48:14 and apt-cache policy kernel-power resp kernel-power-headers looks okay Jan 02 16:48:43 unsure Jan 02 16:50:22 it must be something stupid Jan 02 16:53:32 How the hell does anybody use Windows 7 on a daily basis. . . . Jan 02 16:55:58 GeneralAntilles: why? Jan 02 16:56:50 Venemo: trying to print to a networked printer is apparently impossible. Jan 02 16:56:57 VZAcess shit, VPN shit, etc. Jan 02 16:57:05 eh. Jan 02 17:00:00 does Android work well on the N810? Jan 02 17:00:05 Heh Jan 02 17:00:16 Does Android run well? Jan 02 17:15:33 GeneralAntilles: hey Jan 02 17:15:40 timeless_mbp: howdy Jan 02 17:15:44 hrm, oh yeah, getting printing working at work was "exciting" Jan 02 17:15:49 we ended up using OS X and Linux Jan 02 17:15:55 much easier than windows :( Jan 02 17:16:02 but no, network printing does work on windows Jan 02 17:16:09 it's more about poorly designed printer trees Jan 02 17:16:20 (random inconsistent naming conventions) Jan 02 17:17:07 err, there's a galaxy tab commercial on BBCWN Jan 02 17:17:16 It's incredible to me that WPA2 still causes problems in Windows 7. Jan 02 17:17:28 it does? Jan 02 17:17:35 hrm, Jan 02 17:17:38 * timeless_mbp ponders Jan 02 17:17:51 i have w7 in my vm, and there's a wpa2 network @work Jan 02 17:17:56 but i generally don't bridge the adapter... Jan 02 17:21:43 well, i have OCE plotter at work Jan 02 17:21:49 get that working on linux or osx Jan 02 17:23:47 http://global.oce.com/products/plotwave300/downloads.aspx Jan 02 17:23:52 http://global.oce.com/download.aspx?id=7BB2F14C-F13D-472A-92B4-6F1D3C23C050 Jan 02 17:23:58 that's an OS X postscript driver Jan 02 17:24:23 lol Jan 02 17:24:30 so it looks like the answer is "it's possible for OS X", but forget Linux :) Jan 02 17:25:01 * RST38h yawns Jan 02 17:26:05 well, i was more interested in linux Jan 02 17:26:30 and on different plotter Jan 02 17:28:21 I might have fucked something up with my SD card Jan 02 17:28:25 I'm unable to mount it Jan 02 17:28:48 I also tried mounting it through USB but that failed too Jan 02 17:29:30 have you tried turning it off and on again? Jan 02 17:30:02 jacekowski: which plotter? :) Jan 02 17:30:06 you didn't specify Jan 02 17:30:08 9400 Jan 02 17:30:17 and linux Jan 02 17:30:20 no drivers for it Jan 02 17:30:50 http://global.oce.com/products/9400/downloads.aspx Jan 02 17:30:57 http://global.oce.com/download.aspx?id=74478F83-C471-40BD-ABFA-C28154FD25F0 Jan 02 17:31:00 OS X drivers available Jan 02 17:31:10 yeah Jan 02 17:31:13 yes jacekowski Jan 02 17:31:18 not very usefull on linux Jan 02 17:31:26 clearly you need a better os :) Jan 02 17:31:41 e.g. one that virtualizes pritner drivers Jan 02 17:31:45 s/tn/nt/ Jan 02 17:31:45 timeless_mbp meant: e.g. one that virtualizes printer drivers Jan 02 17:31:53 I used to be able to mount /and on my N900 Jan 02 17:32:37 Echo_: it's probably Neutrino overload on the nameserver Jan 02 17:32:48 wat Jan 02 17:33:09 don't worry you can fix it Jan 02 17:33:15 how? :) Jan 02 17:33:17 as we know neutrinos stop in heavy water Jan 02 17:33:18 so get some Jan 02 17:33:21 ok Jan 02 17:33:25 heh Jan 02 17:33:37 I think you mean neutrons. Jan 02 17:33:41 no Jan 02 17:33:45 i meant neutrinos Jan 02 17:33:50 The half-distance for neutrinos in water is around a thousand light-years. Jan 02 17:34:03 Admittedly, some do stop. Jan 02 17:34:06 i said heavy water Jan 02 17:34:16 in heavy water too. Jan 02 17:34:39 Neutrinos do not interact much with normal matter. Neutrons do. Jan 02 17:35:05 well then it's maybe because The kernel license has expired Jan 02 17:37:08 jacekowski: see http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Neutrino Jan 02 17:37:46 doesn't matter it's probably kernel license not neutrino Jan 02 17:39:36 oh wow what a bs situation Jan 02 17:39:40 "Online Impersonations Now Illegal In California" Jan 02 17:39:52 RST38h: yes Jan 02 17:40:07 because the back of my N900 was out and the camera got turned on Jan 02 17:40:14 because of that the SD card was blocked Jan 02 17:41:04 * RST38h won't be impersonating Arney any more Jan 02 17:41:10 Pity... Jan 02 18:25:18 dirty 2011! Jan 02 18:25:51 Cahnops, please /kick me. My alter ego infobot resurrected Jan 02 18:25:52 Cahnops, please /kick me. My alter ego infobot resurrected Jan 02 18:26:16 hi infobot :) Jan 02 18:26:41 ~ping Jan 02 18:26:41 ~pong Jan 02 18:26:52 hey DocScrutinizer Jan 02 18:26:58 hi Jan 02 18:31:05 And I'm back in the room. Jan 02 18:32:59 does anyone know a music distribution website? Jan 02 18:33:50 easy-to-use, and maybe a credit system Jan 02 18:34:44 itunes? Jan 02 18:34:46 * alterego chuckles Jan 02 18:34:59 Doesn't ovi have a music thingy? Jan 02 18:35:52 alterego: easy-to-use! Jan 02 19:03:30 Just came across the bugfix by tomast of the hildon-desktop cpu issue. I am really delighted to see the community around the system. :-D Jan 02 19:03:42 :) Jan 02 19:03:49 It is cool :) Jan 02 19:04:02 We've always had a kick ass community though ;) Jan 02 19:04:21 s/kick ass/ass-kicked/ Jan 02 19:04:28 Heh Jan 02 19:07:37 lol Jan 02 19:12:09 jhb1: what issue is that - a pr 1.3 battery-eater bug? Jan 02 19:15:05 SpeedEvil: :-) Jan 02 19:15:56 pupnik: yes - http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54462&page=12 Jan 02 19:17:52 nice Jan 02 19:18:53 a good reason for going with a foss-oriented device Jan 02 19:19:01 I guess one of the things I am interested in is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66985 Jan 02 19:19:33 would like to see if I can help with the ovi maps - there must be a way for voice navigation :-) Jan 02 19:23:20 jhb1: The Community SSU should be released "shortly" Jan 02 19:23:42 Jaffa: may I ask - whats a SSU? Jan 02 19:23:44 MohammadAG: BTW, would my email be better as a patch to community-ssu-enabler.tar.gz? Jan 02 19:23:49 ~ssu Jan 02 19:23:49 ssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/SSU Jan 02 19:24:42 ah, I see Jan 02 19:25:15 Jaffa: was that about the hildon-desktop or the maps? Jan 02 19:25:44 jhb1: Anything which is OSS with fixes. i.e. hildon-desktop Jan 02 19:25:59 Jaffa, no worries, I'll look at it soon, it's just that exams sorta kicked in Jan 02 19:26:14 Jaffa, the enabler is on gitorious if you prefer to send a patch there :) Jan 02 19:27:21 Jaffa: thanks for the info - how would one get informed of the community ssu? Jan 02 19:28:15 via the normal system (e.g. is having extras* enough)? Jan 02 19:30:01 jhb1, you'll need to enable the repository Jan 02 19:30:09 Jaffa, --force almost never works! what were you trying to do? Jan 02 19:31:19 Lets see if QListView#update() screws a list up when called. Jan 02 19:31:36 Lame, doesn't do anything. Jan 02 19:32:12 lcuk: I've no idea ;-) It claimed my local repo wasn't an ancestor; but both it and the remote one showed a consistent history Jan 02 19:32:19 MohammadAG: URL? Jan 02 19:32:32 jhb1: Read http://www.mwkn.net/ - it'll be front page news. Jan 02 19:32:41 Hell, we might even get it on the front page of maemo.org Jan 02 19:32:44 Jaffa, thx again :-) Jan 02 19:33:19 SSU is all very well and good, but what about an image :P Jan 02 19:33:34 Do you think nokia will allow use to upload fiasco images to tablets-dev? :) Jan 02 19:33:38 http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler Jan 02 19:33:42 MohammadAG: Ta Jan 02 19:33:59 alterego: Flash PR1.3 then CSSU over the top ;-p Jan 02 19:34:04 alterego, I asked X-Fade_ if I could upload an on device SDK image, no reply from Nokia legal yet Jan 02 19:34:23 MohammadAG: thanks Jan 02 19:34:31 MohammadAG: Cloned Jan 02 19:34:32 Good thing about mwkn it is trivial to turn it into meego weekly news :D Jan 02 19:34:42 alterego: It's already transitioning. Jan 02 19:34:49 alterego: I'll need to get timsamoff to update the logo ;-) Jan 02 19:34:49 Jaffa, need commit access? Jan 02 19:35:10 MohammadAG: I'll do it as a merge request if you prefer; but happy to push straight to the master Jan 02 19:35:13 MohammadAG: I bet they say know, which will suck, especially considering Stskeeps uploaded a meego dev image on there not so long ago .. Jan 02 19:35:23 s/know/no/ Jan 02 19:35:23 alterego meant: MohammadAG: I bet they say no, which will suck, especially considering Stskeeps uploaded a meego dev image on there not so long ago .. Jan 02 19:35:54 alterego, there's always rapidshare *cough* :P Jan 02 19:36:21 Heh, well, it'd be nice if we could get a community tablets-dev, with the same security that allowed us to distribute closed components. Jan 02 19:36:29 But would have the usual extras disclaimer. Jan 02 19:36:52 The problem with having it on tablets-dev, is that Nokia test all of their maemo releases (apparently) ;) Jan 02 19:37:04 And they're not going to start testing our community images. Jan 02 19:37:13 So they can't endorse them. Jan 02 19:37:24 alterego, that was a joke wasn't it :P Jan 02 19:37:53 I need to reverse a commit on git Jan 02 19:38:11 Matan's hildon-home patches shouldn't be included, they ruin bg select Jan 02 19:38:11 No, wasn't a joke :P Jan 02 19:38:28 I just prefer flashing over SSU Jan 02 19:38:44 MohammadAG: I'm not sure why they do that Jan 02 19:38:58 MohammadAG: I'll look into the sources Jan 02 19:40:06 alterego, haven't looked at Qt's source code yet, but /usr/share/themes/alpha/images seems to have an image for the list thingy Jan 02 19:40:14 TouchListBackgroundPressed.png Jan 02 19:40:22 Interesting .. Jan 02 19:40:30 MohammadAG: plus, for some reason, setting the background on other than the first 4 views doesn't work either Jan 02 19:42:37 alterego, /etc/hildon/theme/images/TouchListBackgroundPressed.png is a symlink to the current theme's image Jan 02 19:42:51 actually, /etc/hildon/theme is a symlink to /usr/share/themes/$theme Jan 02 19:42:57 MohammadAG: yeah, I get the picture. Jan 02 19:43:02 I just think it's lame. Jan 02 19:43:10 I don't care much about the gradient to be honest. Jan 02 19:43:15 flat shading looks fine. Jan 02 19:43:36 Besides, they both tear horribly when scrolled :P Jan 02 19:44:11 yep, painter->drawImage(r, QImage("/etc/hildon/theme/images/TouchListBackgroundPressed.png")); is enough Jan 02 19:44:23 (r = option.rect, though you probably figured that out) Jan 02 19:45:32 MohammadAG, what happens when these are run on qt systems without hildon theme data? Jan 02 19:45:55 lcuk, already #ifdef'd it :P Jan 02 19:46:03 lcuk, but it should simply ignore it Jan 02 19:46:19 I prefer the more portable method ;) Jan 02 19:46:37 alterego, that's #else'd Jan 02 19:46:39 :P Jan 02 19:46:54 and what is the portable method alterego Jan 02 19:47:47 using the palette's colour Jan 02 19:47:58 painter->fillRect(r, option.palette.highlight().color()); Jan 02 19:48:12 is the palette also a hildon theme attribute? Jan 02 19:48:15 lcuk: Yeah, what he said. Jan 02 19:48:16 (he posted that in the other channel) Jan 02 19:48:32 The palette is set by the theme engine. Jan 02 19:48:57 alterego, the qt theme engine? or you loading something dynamically and specific to your app? Jan 02 19:49:07 No, the Qt theme engine. Jan 02 19:49:11 * lcuk nods Jan 02 19:49:21 Which handles looking and feeling like maemo, gnome, windows, os x, etc. Jan 02 19:49:27 sure Jan 02 19:49:35 MohammadAG: Merge request submitted. Jan 02 19:49:44 Unfortunately in this case, I don't think there is a proper portable way to do it. Jan 02 19:49:47 MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/merge_requests/1 Jan 02 19:50:05 Because highlight listview background images aren't normal. Jan 02 19:50:09 Jaffa, "No merge requests yet" Jan 02 19:50:17 hmm, hildon-desktop? Jan 02 19:50:47 Jaffa, why hildon-desktop? Jan 02 19:51:23 MohammadAG: Oh, FFS. Jan 02 19:51:36 MohammadAG: Can't edit that now. Jan 02 19:51:44 * Jaffa tries again ;-) Jan 02 19:51:56 :P Jan 02 19:52:02 Defaults in gitorious are shit Jan 02 19:52:12 * lcuk hands out warm facepalm towels Jan 02 19:52:39 MohammadAG: http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/community-ssu-enabler/merge_requests/1 Jan 02 19:52:40 jaffa, you aren't the first to mention MR functionality is clumsy Jan 02 19:52:59 but it does allow efficient review :) Jan 02 19:53:08 those defaults on merge request really make no sense :) Jan 02 19:53:08 lcuk: Now to see if I can rescue my garage git repo Jan 02 19:53:18 ++ Jan 02 19:53:36 Jaffa, what does dpkg-divert do? Jan 02 19:54:22 also, shouldn't we restore the original apt-worker in prerm? Jan 02 19:54:37 MohammadAG: That's what dpkg-divert does Jan 02 19:54:48 MohammadAG: http://www.debian-administration.org/articles/118 - worth a quick read Jan 02 19:54:54 MohammadAG: I have a feeling that'll be handy Jan 02 19:54:55 yeah, but you're removing /usr/libexec/apt-worker Jan 02 19:55:02 MohammadAG: That's the symlink Jan 02 19:55:16 then you're not restoring the original one Jan 02 19:55:31 MohammadAG: Yes. I am. Jan 02 19:55:38 MohammadAG: That's the '--rename' option to dpkg-divert Jan 02 19:56:14 Jaffa, so wouldn't postinst fail? ln -s /usr/libexec/apt-worker-cssu.sh /usr/libxec/apt-worker since the file exists Jan 02 19:56:29 hmm Jan 02 19:56:37 so dpkg-divert --rename renames the file? Jan 02 19:57:48 MohammadAG: Yes Jan 02 19:58:33 MohammadAG: The one in postinst moves it away, and the next line puts a symlink in the space vacated. The one in prerm happens after the symlink's been removed and puts the original back into the space Jan 02 20:09:39 <[DarkGUNMAN]> hello! does anyone know their way around caturing text using a regex from a file? Jan 02 20:09:56 <[DarkGUNMAN]> awk and grep are doiung my head in Jan 02 20:10:18 [DarkGUNMAN]: sometimes I can match some text with my regexes Jan 02 20:11:48 lcuk: Worked out my problem - my HEAD's become detached from a branch Jan 02 20:12:01 Jaffa, sent the source to the builder Jan 02 20:12:25 <[DarkGUNMAN]> I'm attempting to read an html file downloaded from yahoo weather - to get the path for the PNG graphic file Jan 02 20:30:20 Hmm. Problem with missing a Boxing Day MWKN is now that there're a ton of articles to edit. Jan 02 20:31:16 Heh Jan 02 20:34:26 Hrm .. Jan 02 20:35:43 \p/ quole... http://qole.blogspot.com/2010/11/n900-meego-chroot-part-3-polishing.html Jan 02 20:40:54 alterego, the text thing I asked you about is called elide apparently (shortening text that doesn't fit) Jan 02 20:41:55 Oh, right Jan 02 20:42:07 Yeah, I should probably look into that at some pint. Jan 02 20:42:09 ~point Jan 02 20:42:10 hmm... point is that the SYN packets fill up the TCP backlog, so no legitimate clients can connect Jan 02 20:42:46 Hahah Jan 02 20:45:04 MohammadAG: I prefer "ellipsisification" Jan 02 20:46:02 Jaffa, Qt devs disagree :P Jan 02 20:46:10 Heh, Jan 02 20:46:13 MohammadAG: Who's the native English speaker, eh? Jan 02 20:46:30 I've got a copy of "Fowler's Modern English Usage" on my bookshelf. So I must be qualified, n'est pas? Jan 02 20:47:01 Oui, bien sur Jan 02 20:49:05 MohammadAG: "elide" seems to be slightly incorrect anyway (according to "define:elide" in Google) Jan 02 20:49:32 And you believe that? :P Jan 02 20:50:04 Hello, I sure the nokia n900 a process that takes 12% of the ram Jan 02 20:50:04 name: / usr / sbin / browserd Jan 02 20:50:10 Well, it does mean leave out Jan 02 20:50:12 Which is fine .. Jan 02 20:51:24 Is it necessary? Jan 02 20:51:34 it's the browser Jan 02 20:51:38 it's the browser Jan 02 20:52:00 if my last message shows up after 10s of shadowjk said, blame lag :P Jan 02 20:52:09 of what* Jan 02 20:52:19 browserd is the browser - it's started even whent eh web broser is not running. Jan 02 20:52:25 To speed up loading. Jan 02 20:52:47 You can stop it - but then the web or conversations or other things it implements may be a bit slower. Jan 02 20:52:52 to start up Jan 02 20:55:03 SpeedEvil, ok how I can put killall an end because there was not enough this revival? Jan 02 20:58:31 It is restarted three times by Jan 02 20:58:44 dsme if I remember right Jan 02 20:58:49 kill it twice more Jan 02 20:59:14 or just stop browserd? Jan 02 20:59:34 or /etc/init.d/tablet-browser-daemon.init stop Jan 02 20:59:52 oh - yea - that Jan 02 21:04:38 *cough* on google translate Jan 02 21:06:52 btw I wonder if a dbus call would start browserd Jan 02 21:07:20 or simply fail with "destination unknown" Jan 02 21:09:22 dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest="com.nokia.osso_browser" ... is what I mean Jan 02 21:09:44 might fail when browserd isn't preloaded Jan 02 21:09:48 or fail silently Jan 02 21:09:59 since that's how most maemo 5 error handling works :P Jan 02 21:10:28 yep. dbus has a method to start processes on demand though Jan 02 21:11:03 I need com.nokia.FMTx's documentation Jan 02 21:11:49 oh yay Jan 02 21:11:51 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/fmtx-middleware/fmtx_api.html Jan 02 21:31:12 <[DarkGUNMAN]> does anyone here know how to use regex to capture a string within an html file? Jan 02 21:31:20 <[DarkGUNMAN]> grep or awk Jan 02 21:33:42 http://stackoverflow.com/questions/1732348/regex-match-open-tags-except-xhtml-self-contained-tags Jan 02 21:41:11 [DarkGUNMAN]: which html file? Jan 02 21:49:38 https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5504 Status says NEW but this is fixed.. what needs to be done next? Jan 02 21:49:40 Bug 5504: No seeking for Flac (1.0.5) Jan 02 21:53:28 Appiah, if it's fixed I can close it Jan 02 21:53:37 Appiah, does it work for you? Jan 02 21:54:28 so anyone know what the status of neopwn is? Jan 02 21:55:14 dead Jan 02 21:55:52 well I have extra-devel on and it does not work for me? Jan 02 21:55:58 not seen a update.. Jan 02 21:58:39 Does everyones facebook sharing plugin work for images? Jan 02 21:58:47 I swear mine stopped working a few months ago. Jan 02 21:58:48 Appiah, I mean, should I close the bug? Jan 02 21:58:54 no idea Jan 02 21:59:02 I dont know the process :D Jan 02 21:59:19 ovi sharing isn't working either. Jan 02 21:59:24 alterego, mine does Jan 02 21:59:28 So it probably isn't anything to do with that ^.^ Jan 02 21:59:40 I'm definitely going to have to reflash when I get my second N900 Jan 02 21:59:47 alterego, remove the account and readd it, then revalidate Jan 02 22:00:07 alterego, also, have you downloaded the internet yet? :P Jan 02 22:01:16 Heh :D Jan 02 22:01:23 Like my avatar do you :P Jan 02 22:01:29 Dirty internet pervert :P Jan 02 22:02:10 Stop cyber stalking me :P Jan 02 22:02:25 alterego, your Media IM status updater announce thread is a privacy breach :P Jan 02 22:03:35 Heh Jan 02 22:03:39 Yeah, I don't care :P Jan 02 22:04:02 I've had loads of random people message me about maemo stuff because of that on facebook. Jan 02 22:04:08 What is the name of the funny script or program which regenerates always /etc/fsatb? Jan 02 22:04:13 like I do, my nickname's my first.lastname Jan 02 22:04:46 NIN101: update-fstab Jan 02 22:04:48 ?? Jan 02 22:04:54 NIN101, rcS-late? Jan 02 22:05:04 Heh Jan 02 22:05:10 hmm, thx guys, i will look into it. Jan 02 22:05:50 alterego, lol, what about MSN/Skype :P Jan 02 22:06:18 You know, that might be where that random guy got my skype address from .. Jan 02 22:06:27 alterego, also, with the renderer code that nicolai plugged into the mediaplayer, shouldn't you be able to easily C++-ify the app you made? Jan 02 22:06:40 He phoned me up on skype randomly when I was in the pub and signed into my IM accounts to talk to my gf Jan 02 22:06:56 He works for some mobile software dev company in London and asked if I wanted a job ^.^ Jan 02 22:07:00 lol I got a skype call at 3AM once Jan 02 22:07:19 Well, the UI is piss easy to port to C++ tbh Jan 02 22:07:19 from then on, my phone's always been in silent mode :P Jan 02 22:07:26 And the backend is fine in Python Jan 02 22:07:33 alterego, I wasn't referring to the UI, I could do that :P Jan 02 22:08:10 if only Qt apps launched as fast as gtk ones Jan 02 22:08:52 Well, the UI is the only thing that uses Qt Jan 02 22:09:03 What would be the point in porting the python backend? It works fine :P Jan 02 22:09:18 It's only the UI that has speed problems .. Jan 02 22:09:21 python's a memory hog :P Jan 02 22:10:09 alterego, hmm, ever used no english strings in a Qt UI? Jan 02 22:10:21 utility "card" that displays the satellite image. These images has its place it there? on the n900. There is no directory. googleearth? Jan 02 22:10:21 thank you in advance Jan 02 22:10:45 MohammadAG: nope, I've never bothered translating apps either. Jan 02 22:10:54 I use tr("Some English Crap") Jan 02 22:10:56 when I tried nicolai's mediaplayer (with mafw source), it showed weird strings Jan 02 22:11:02 Which probably isn't the best way of doing it :D Jan 02 22:11:04 that's not what I meant :P Jan 02 22:11:15 actually, that's how I do it lol Jan 02 22:11:40 anyways, should non english strings be wrapped with QLatin1String or something? Jan 02 22:11:45 Yeah, I'll keep it like that until I start working on adding support for translations, which will be a v2 feature. Jan 02 22:13:01 Hrm ... Jan 02 22:14:07 So, you call accept on a dialog and it closes, you validate data and then you have to reshow the freakin' dialog. Jan 02 22:14:10 Which looks crap. Jan 02 22:14:22 I guess I'll have to put the validation code in the accept method, no biggy. Jan 02 22:14:59 yay, another overclocking script Jan 02 22:15:37 yay .... Jan 02 22:24:12 So, i was trying to get some japanese input on maemo, and installed the maemocjk-him-scim-anthy metapackage, and according to some links on google, with ctrl-space i should be able to write in japanese, which is not happening Jan 02 22:24:21 Any ideas? Jan 02 23:04:16 Well, we've got audio, and she can see me. Jan 02 23:06:21 Does anyone got truecrypt running with kernel crypto support? Jan 02 23:09:13 netsplit? kornbluth down? Jan 02 23:09:44 freenode implements server hiding Jan 02 23:09:55 any splits from any server are reported as the server you're on Jan 02 23:09:57 IIRC Jan 02 23:10:03 Maybe I'm confused though. Jan 02 23:10:24 has quit [*.net *.split] Jan 02 23:10:42 Does anyone got truecrypt running with kernel crypto support? Jan 02 23:11:06 I assume that I have to recompile it with AES modules etc. :/ Jan 02 23:11:14 (the kernel) Jan 02 23:14:21 http://i.imgur.com/q4vbF.png zero-cost vaporizer Jan 02 23:15:24 remind me why everyone uses freenode again? Jan 02 23:15:57 it has the most open-source projects Jan 02 23:16:03 LOL! Konversation quits silent death when trying to change kornbluth.freenode to irc.freenode Jan 02 23:16:28 pupnik, and most netsplits Jan 02 23:16:53 reproducably. Well at least 2 times in a row Jan 02 23:17:22 kornbluth just down (no answer) Jan 02 23:21:12 Hi, I'm kind of a newbie on maemo programming, could anyone tell me how to force an application to the foreground? (I've tried googling for some time now, but I can't seem to find the trick. (I've tried gtk_window_present(), and gtk_window_deiconify(), gtk_window_fullscreen() without any success) Jan 02 23:24:00 not sure about gtk but Qt's method has the word active in it, maybe you want to google for that? Jan 02 23:24:09 (wmctrl works too) :P Jan 02 23:28:23 GtkWindow::set-focus maybe? Jan 02 23:29:29 Tamyrlin, never used gtk, but I think it's gtk_window_set_focus() Jan 02 23:30:16 Hmm, I tried that and it doesn't seem to work either. Jan 02 23:30:26 (Of course, I may just be doing something wrong with it...) Jan 02 23:30:33 Argh! Jan 02 23:30:44 Indeed, I was doing something stupid :) Jan 02 23:31:09 :) Jan 02 23:31:09 Thanks, gtk_window_set_focus() worked perfectly Jan 02 23:31:51 Now I can see if my small alarm clock demo will wake me up tomorrow morning or not :) Jan 02 23:32:33 heh Jan 02 23:33:01 there's also gtk_widget_gain_focus() Jan 02 23:33:47 Tamyrlin, there's also gtk_widget_gain_focus() Jan 02 23:34:20 Hmm, actually, I'll have to reverse my previous excited position. gtk_window_set_focus() didn't work after all. (I just thought it worked because the screen wasn't locked when I started the application.) Jan 02 23:34:21 nah nevermind, stick to set_focus() Jan 02 23:35:37 wb kornbluth Jan 02 23:35:46 Well, it is not a big deal to focus the application by hand for me Jan 02 23:38:00 Tamyrlin, you did pass arguments to the function right? Jan 02 23:38:08 Of course Jan 02 23:38:26 (the window and a textentry widget in the window) Jan 02 23:38:37 Hmm Jan 02 23:38:42 hmm Jan 02 23:38:43 I'm trying out wmctrl right now Jan 02 23:38:52 there's probably a right way to do it Jan 02 23:38:54 Am I completely off the base if I'm thinking that I should use wmctrl -l first Jan 02 23:39:08 but I could think of a quick hack :P Jan 02 23:39:11 and then wmctrl -R 0xaabbccdd (where aabbccdd is the window ID given from wmctrl -l?) Jan 02 23:39:17 open a hildon stackable window and close it Jan 02 23:39:38 wmctrl -i -a $id Jan 02 23:39:40 ah Jan 02 23:40:02 but there's probably a better way Jan 02 23:40:10 maybe ask the gtk people? Jan 02 23:40:59 I wonder why any app would dare to switch itself to foreground Jan 02 23:41:15 alarm app Jan 02 23:41:26 k Jan 02 23:41:34 But yes, you are right that it is not really that polite Jan 02 23:41:42 Then again, waking me up in the morning is not that polite to begin with Jan 02 23:42:38 * MohammadAG wants an alarm with no snooze/stop buttons and no X button Jan 02 23:42:55 MohammadAG: That is exactly what I'm writing :) Jan 02 23:42:58 that would stop mce after turning on the display Jan 02 23:43:16 ignore the last part, I'll add it in myself :P Jan 02 23:43:33 yeah, the last part sounded a bit dangerous Jan 02 23:43:47 it disables the power button :P Jan 02 23:44:05 (along with most system buttons) Jan 02 23:44:43 can you also grab ctrl+backspace? Jan 02 23:44:53 Heh, just noticed that nokia C7 comp and that guy on tmo Jan 02 23:45:19 That is a bit extreme, but I'm already handling the case where you click once on the power button and then click on the close this application selection Jan 02 23:45:36 how? Jan 02 23:46:14 (That selection basically runs xkill on the application. When GDK catches that it will just run exit(1)) Jan 02 23:46:29 ah Jan 02 23:46:35 So I dealt with that by fork()ing the application from a main thread and checking the return value Jan 02 23:46:42 If it is non-zero I just relaunch the application Jan 02 23:47:38 EvilAlarm removes the button somehow Jan 02 23:47:50 wait, what? Jan 02 23:47:55 an alarm i can't dismiss? Jan 02 23:48:06 i think it starts a window that isn't managed by the window manager Jan 02 23:48:18 and so, the button won't show Jan 02 23:48:27 I think = never looked at the code Jan 02 23:48:49 Ah, didn't know about that app Jan 02 23:48:57 Seems like it does almost what I want :) Jan 02 23:50:19 nohup sleep 6:30 && aplay einstruerzende_neubauten.wav Jan 02 23:50:52 you need to be awake to stop that Jan 02 23:51:28 that's not music Jan 02 23:52:42 Aha Jan 02 23:52:49 wmctrl -i -R 0xaabbccdd worked Jan 02 23:53:01 DocScrutinizer: haha nice Jan 02 23:56:46 anyone here from the US? Jan 02 23:56:53 or near a proper library? Jan 02 23:56:58 :P Jan 02 23:57:07 yay, we have infobot back Jan 02 23:57:14 why are libraries proper in the US? :P Jan 02 23:57:43 Improper libraries spell colour right? Jan 02 23:58:17 DocScrutinizer, I can press ^C while i'm asleep Jan 02 23:58:25 btw Jan 02 23:58:32 evil alarm is... evil Jan 02 23:58:39 MohammadAG: man nohup Jan 02 23:58:39 you can't exit the window Jan 02 23:58:49 oh, nohup Jan 02 23:58:53 didn't notice that Jan 02 23:58:58 umm Jan 02 23:59:00 killall nohup? Jan 02 23:59:08 :nod: Jan 02 23:59:17 still asleep? :-P Jan 02 23:59:25 yeah Jan 02 23:59:40 I pulled the battery out of my device once Jan 02 23:59:45 while i was asleep Jan 02 23:59:54 because they carry Wasiolek's books, Gh0sty and SpeedEvil, and in france they don't :P Hence they are improper Jan 03 00:00:28 Perhaps that is why Nokia makes the battery door so hard to open... Jan 03 00:00:29 and I just need 15 pages of a damn book Jan 03 00:00:37 * MohammadAG looks at crashanddie_ Jan 03 00:00:46 * crashanddie_ looks back Jan 03 00:01:00 Tamyrlin, I already broke a battery cover, they need to try again Jan 03 00:01:11 * MohammadAG stares at crashanddie_ Jan 03 00:01:17 * crashanddie_ stares back Jan 03 00:01:44 * MohammadAG gets a bomb and looks at crashanddie_ Jan 03 00:01:45 * DocScrutinizer starts videocam to document the scene Jan 03 00:02:26 * kerio accepts bets Jan 03 00:02:32 * crashanddie_ wonders if there is a rule 42 about terrorists Jan 03 00:02:34 with bombs Jan 03 00:02:53 * MohammadAG throws bomb Jan 03 00:02:58 rule 42? Jan 03 00:03:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rule_42 Jan 03 00:03:21 crap Jan 03 00:03:24 32? Jan 03 00:03:24 I fail to see how many terrorists would be put-out by that rule. Jan 03 00:03:32 I think you mean 34 Jan 03 00:03:42 oh Jan 03 00:03:52 42, answer to... got confused Jan 03 00:05:05 crashanddie_, ven vill you be back on the project? :P Jan 03 00:05:35 whenever I get time Jan 03 00:05:48 been hunting for flats, fucking time consuming Jan 03 00:05:53 throwing bombs probably isn't a gaelic game :-D Jan 03 00:05:56 tomorrow, hopefully Jan 03 00:06:44 Might get a C7 Jan 03 00:06:55 alterego, get an N8 Jan 03 00:07:01 improved version of C4 as we're talking about bombs? Jan 03 00:07:09 I might be getting a C7 for free :P Jan 03 00:07:20 I'm holding off upgrading until the N9 Jan 03 00:07:21 sell it and get an N8 Jan 03 00:07:27 Maybe ;) Jan 03 00:07:57 I would prefer an N8 Jan 03 00:08:04 does the N8 have a compass? Jan 03 00:08:06 But if the C7 has Qt, I don't really care. Jan 03 00:08:10 lardman: yeah Jan 03 00:08:12 yes Jan 03 00:08:15 C4 Jan 03 00:08:28 good, not that I want one, but at least Nokia are adding them in these days.... Jan 03 00:08:42 alterego, the N97 has Qt Jan 03 00:08:45 :P Jan 03 00:08:57 lardman, the N97 had a compass Jan 03 00:09:00 N97 is ghey Jan 03 00:09:06 very Jan 03 00:09:19 MohammadAG: yeah I remember that now Jan 03 00:09:24 Though I could probably get one if I wanted. Jan 03 00:09:26 but it looks better than the N900 in some ways :P Jan 03 00:09:46 Maybe Jan 03 00:09:54 but the battery cover was crap Jan 03 00:09:59 and RAM :p Jan 03 00:10:02 I still look at my N900 every now-and-again I think "Wow, that's sexy" Jan 03 00:10:08 and the camera lens Jan 03 00:10:26 alterego, only when the kb is closed and the screen's wiped Jan 03 00:10:34 Heh Jan 03 00:10:35 but the N97 was sexier :P Jan 03 00:10:47 C7 has compass aswell. Jan 03 00:10:50 alterego: the form or the function? Jan 03 00:10:58 So it ticks all my Columbus boxes Jan 03 00:10:59 MohammadAG: only when the screen's off Jan 03 00:11:02 BCMM: both :P Jan 03 00:11:13 C7 is Symbian^3 right? Jan 03 00:11:19 I had a play with one the other day. Jan 03 00:11:36 lol DocScrutinizer Jan 03 00:11:39 No cz lens, but it was really good quality. Jan 03 00:11:43 maemo 5's UI is cool tbh Jan 03 00:12:15 well if it's for free, get it Jan 03 00:12:22 otherwise, N8 Jan 03 00:12:28 It is ^3 yeah Jan 03 00:12:46 ^3's UI is better than ^1 Jan 03 00:12:51 hmm, /me finally sees post about qtm 1.1 going to extras-devel, good good Jan 03 00:12:52 the whole OS is snappier Jan 03 00:13:02 BUT! Jan 03 00:13:07 Yeah, seems smooth. Jan 03 00:13:13 I've noticed angry birds closing twice on me Jan 03 00:13:17 But I keep pressing outside of dialogs to dismess them and not having it .. Jan 03 00:13:29 and the official panorama app didn't launch Jan 03 00:13:34 all due to low RAM Jan 03 00:13:41 Heh Jan 03 00:13:47 only fix is a reboot sadly, no top + killall on the N8 Jan 03 00:14:19 also, the qtbrowser i made didn't work on it Jan 03 00:14:30 and there's no terminal to debug that :P Jan 03 00:14:48 Though C7 doesn't have HDMI out, which is a -1 imo Jan 03 00:15:09 HDMI's cool on the N8 Jan 03 00:15:17 picture quality is amazing Jan 03 00:15:45 haven't tried my own clips FYI, only the included Tron trailer Jan 03 00:15:47 :) Jan 03 00:15:52 Heh Jan 03 00:16:10 * SpeedEvil ponders a tron trailer. Jan 03 00:16:19 Does it have a standard towing attachment? Jan 03 00:16:44 lol Jan 03 00:17:32 Hahah Jan 03 00:17:44 haha Jan 03 00:20:15 the iPod touch has no fmtx right? Jan 03 00:20:36 No Apple products have built in fmtx Jan 03 00:20:39 You buy an add on Jan 03 00:21:16 * MohammadAG needs a standalone MP3 player with fmtx Jan 03 00:21:23 sorry I find it kinda funny when Australia's coal mines can't work because of water caused by global warming Jan 03 00:22:05 hmm, fck Jan 03 00:22:15 i need to be at school at 9AM Jan 03 00:22:20 and it's 2AM :P Jan 03 00:23:00 you should have vacations Jan 03 00:23:07 it's new year Jan 03 00:23:23 we do Jan 03 00:23:33 but my chemistry teacher needs us for 2h Jan 03 00:23:38 oh well Jan 03 00:23:41 haha Jan 03 00:23:45 i'll sleep after I get home Jan 03 00:23:51 sure Jan 03 00:24:24 let the teacher know how much of a favour you're doing for him :-D Jan 03 00:24:33 gone midnight here, /me heads for bed Jan 03 00:24:41 night night everyone Jan 03 00:24:43 heh Jan 03 00:24:46 night lardman Jan 03 00:24:51 night Lantizia Jan 03 00:24:59 grrr Jan 03 00:25:12 sorry Lantizia - ETAB Jan 03 00:25:29 np :) Jan 03 00:28:11 RST38h: xchat is missing nick repeat for tab at start if line. And while we're at it, the nick completion could use a most recently seen scheme (like L would expand to lardman in above case as he was last with l to post) Jan 03 00:31:42 I assume that the device mounts /dev/mmcblk0p1 automatically, it doesn't care if it is commented out in /etc/fstab. Does anyone know, where I can find that script, which is doing this? Jan 03 00:32:14 suggested sequence of nicknames suggested/completed for multiple tabs at start of line: last used nick in last own post; nick of user most recently posted, nick of user 2nd recently... Jan 03 00:32:47 NIN101: fstab is irrelevant Jan 03 00:33:22 hmm, and what is relevant? Jan 03 00:33:23 mounting is done in rcS-early or rcS-late Jan 03 00:33:29 thx Jan 03 00:33:45 I assume rcS-early, I didn'T found in late anything ralted to mmcblk0p1 Jan 03 00:33:49 or any other file of that zoo Jan 03 00:34:27 (tip: grep for "I hate this hack") Jan 03 00:34:42 I think it's in same file Jan 03 00:35:58 or grep for MMC_MOUNTPOINT Jan 03 00:36:15 ok, thx. Jan 03 00:36:16 found it Jan 03 00:36:21 it is in /etc/init.d/ Jan 03 00:36:43 yeah, but where exactly now? Jan 03 00:36:47 rcS Jan 03 00:36:51 k Jan 03 00:38:30 I have another question: is there a compiled kernel out there with crypto support, for example with AES? Would be cool for truecrypt, cause currently it can't use kernel support. Jan 03 00:40:03 what's the point of using kernel crypto with no crypto acceleration hardware? Jan 03 00:40:11 paranoia Jan 03 00:41:23 next thing that will be asked is how to overclock CPU because 600MHz will be inadequate for truecrypt Jan 03 00:41:31 and then fried hardware Jan 03 00:41:31 haha Jan 03 00:41:53 btw there is crypto accel hw Jan 03 00:43:08 CPU supported crypto accel? I thought less than a handful of CPUs actually support crypto accel on hardware level and ARM wasn't one of them Jan 03 00:44:32 still battery life may eventually go down the drain as a result Jan 03 00:44:49 there is a crypto engine Jan 03 00:45:04 And there is no such thing as 'ARM' Jan 03 00:45:07 really. Jan 03 00:45:24 There is a 'ARM' core - and then oodles of seperate unrelated modules that people glom on the same chip. Jan 03 00:45:43 The modules can vary significantly, from crypto, to DSP, to ADSL modem, to ... Jan 03 00:45:49 what I was referring to was exactly just that, the type of CPU architecture Jan 03 00:46:50 CPU core architecture never supports crypto. It's always an external module. Jan 03 00:47:11 And ARM is produced by so many vendors, that add random things. Jan 03 00:47:53 that's true on the ARM is being produced by so many vendors, hence they are licensed users of the arch Jan 03 00:48:45 The core architecture in this case tells you little about the modules that have been incorporated in the chip. Jan 03 00:51:48 that is also true though I do remember there was a site covering the hardware chips on the n900 itself, though unofficial there was no mentioning of crypto accel hardware chip Jan 03 00:51:55 ugh.. Jan 03 00:51:57 that is also true though I do remember there was a site covering the hardware chips on the n900 itself, though unofficial there was no mentioning of crypto accel hardware chip Jan 03 00:52:09 It's not a chip Jan 03 00:52:12 It's a module of the CPU Jan 03 00:52:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_CPU#Summary Jan 03 00:54:02 ahh Jan 03 00:54:12 Does Qt have a default confirmation dialog? Jan 03 00:54:23 Where you just give it a message and it has yes/no buttons? Jan 03 00:54:23 QMessageBox Jan 03 00:54:30 That was it. Jan 03 00:54:42 Does it work alright on maemo? Jan 03 00:54:47 I bet it fucks up on portrait. Jan 03 00:54:48 yep Jan 03 00:54:52 hmm Jan 03 00:54:54 nope Jan 03 00:56:28 I mean with the transition, not the actual appearing in portrait. Jan 03 00:58:45 omap3 supports variable resolution framebuffer scaling... http://pandorawiki.org/Kernel_interface Jan 03 01:00:30 * alterego wonders what that means. Jan 03 01:01:41 Sigh, nice user accessible format, .mafw.db ;( Jan 03 01:01:41 alterego: your program can request 512x384 resolution at whatever bit-depth it needs Jan 03 01:01:59 Oh, cool. Jan 03 01:02:25 alterego, hmm, it will fuck up indeed :P Jan 03 01:02:39 Lame Jan 03 01:02:46 Roll my own it is then .. Jan 03 01:03:00 "ColumbusMessageBox" Jan 03 01:03:01 on that note Jan 03 01:03:05 Well, subclass with my fix ;) Jan 03 01:03:14 QMessageBox has an Ok button Jan 03 01:03:18 that stretches Jan 03 01:03:29 unlike the one I got in the FMTXdialog Jan 03 01:03:59 guess I'll have to subclass a QPushButton :P Jan 03 01:04:11 any ideas why I get from PyQt4.QtGui import * ImportError: No module named QtGui ? Jan 03 01:04:39 got all libs? Jan 03 01:04:44 Note to reader, QMessageBox#setInformativeText() is rubbish on maemo .. Jan 03 01:05:00 sig^: are you using PySide? Jan 03 01:05:08 yacc, sqlite? Jan 03 01:05:13 no, he's using PyQt4 :P Jan 03 01:05:18 isn't that obvious? :P Jan 03 01:05:22 nox-, yeah, but the value is a blob ;) Jan 03 01:05:28 oh Jan 03 01:05:29 ;) Jan 03 01:05:48 yacc: value for what? Jan 03 01:05:56 nox-, so deleting say all FIN and FRA prefixed stations is slightly, only slightly, painful Jan 03 01:06:26 sig^, install python2.5-qt4-gui Jan 03 01:06:37 hmm Jan 03 01:06:44 somehow got insert enabled in xchat Jan 03 01:06:45 alterego, .mafw.db: Jan 03 01:06:58 CREATE TABLE iradiobookmarks( Jan 03 01:06:59 id INTEGER NOT NULL, Jan 03 01:06:59 key TEXT NOT NULL, Jan 03 01:06:59 value BLOB ); Jan 03 01:07:20 That's a class book example of GOOD SQL schema design, I guess. NOT. Jan 03 01:07:24 Ah, bookmark, interesting. Jan 03 01:07:36 what about them? Jan 03 01:07:46 mafw stores internet radio bookmarks :P Jan 03 01:08:10 MohammadAG, simple exercise, delete all bookmarks where the title is like 'FRA%'; Jan 03 01:08:44 what would happen? Jan 03 01:09:02 MohammadAG, the values are all in blobs. Jan 03 01:09:08 yacc: where's the db? Jan 03 01:09:22 Hence mostly, if not completely unoperable on with SQL. Jan 03 01:09:30 alterego, ~user/.mafw.db Jan 03 01:09:33 ~ Jan 03 01:09:52 PITA is the relevant word. Jan 03 01:10:18 Hrm Jan 03 01:11:14 yacc: http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=498302 Jan 03 01:11:23 I see why they did it now. It's not bad schema design. Jan 03 01:13:41 at least it's in SQL Jan 03 01:13:50 not in fully binary blob Jan 03 01:13:51 alterego, that's nice but it's an utterly bad design if you plan to manipulate it in SQL. And if you do not plan to manipulate it with SQL, sqlite is not necessary the best tool for data storage, either do a humanreadable input/output or do some automatic serialization, it's not exactly as if the mafw needs to allow for multiple clients to manipulate that file directly, ... Jan 03 01:14:26 jacekowski, alterego: if it's such a great schema, please provide the SQL statement to delete all stations where the title starts with 'FRA' ;) Jan 03 01:14:44 :)) Jan 03 01:14:45 truncate table iradiobookmarks; Jan 03 01:14:52 Hah Jan 03 01:14:56 jacekowski, even without the BLOB column, that key/value storage is a PITA in SQL, ... Jan 03 01:15:09 jacekowski, that also kills bookmarks that do not start with FRA. Jan 03 01:15:22 well, you never said anything about keeping rest of them Jan 03 01:16:03 jacekowski, lol, ok, jacekowski, alterego: if it's such a great schema, please provide the SQL statement to delete all stations where the title starts with 'FRA' and leave all other stations alone ;) Jan 03 01:16:43 how does that blob look like? Jan 03 01:16:44 jacekowski, even without the blob that is PITA to decode in SQLite at best, you are still stuck with needing a subquery to get you all ids you need to delete, ... Jan 03 01:16:58 jacekowski, http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?p=498302 Jan 03 01:17:30 jacekowski, substr(quote(value), 19, 200) gives your the part where the string value is encoded in hex, ... Jan 03 01:17:45 how many OSs can I have on N900? Jan 03 01:17:50 then Jan 03 01:17:54 Unlimited Jan 03 01:17:58 theoritically Jan 03 01:18:01 now I just wonder how do "abcdef0123456789".decode("hex") in SQLite ;) Jan 03 01:18:27 MohammadAG, I wonder more if there is such a thing as Maemo for the current generation Archos tablets, ... Jan 03 01:18:33 delete from iradiobookmarks where substr(quote(value), 19, 200) LIKE '465241%'; Jan 03 01:18:47 doubt it Jan 03 01:18:58 though you could get maemo's UI elements on an archos Jan 03 01:19:04 jacekowski, wrong, you need to select the key, remember the ids and delete all stations with the ids. Jan 03 01:19:08 So you get something like: Jan 03 01:19:09 hildon-desktop scales for different resolutions Jan 03 01:19:14 yacc: usage of SQL db should be restricted to those who *know* about data design Jan 03 01:19:46 yacc: well, i never seen that database Jan 03 01:19:55 yacc: but hmm, so there is another table with that stuff? Jan 03 01:20:16 MohammadAG: i'm tempted to buy archos windows tablet Jan 03 01:20:21 DocScrutinizer: yeah, and that looks worse than my first DB that I designed ;) (At least, I learned the pain, I had to maintain that app for over 8 years in production, ...) Jan 03 01:20:23 but price is a bit high Jan 03 01:20:34 jacekowski, it's windows, of course the price is high Jan 03 01:20:51 in all seriousness Jan 03 01:20:54 not beacuse of that Jan 03 01:20:56 try to find one without an OS Jan 03 01:21:08 i mean, netbook costs a bit less Jan 03 01:21:17 o2 joggler costs £49 Jan 03 01:21:24 i think pupnik has an Archos Jan 03 01:21:27 jacekowski: no, it doesn'.t Jan 03 01:21:37 jacekowski: It cost that for a short promotional period. Jan 03 01:21:37 well Jan 03 01:21:40 £99 Jan 03 01:21:43 still cheaper Jan 03 01:21:46 jacekowski, you need something like DELETE FROM iradiobookmarks WHERE id IN (SELECT id FROM iradiobookmarks WHERE key='title' AND substr(quote(value), 19, 100) LIKE 'FFRRAA%'); Jan 03 01:21:49 but i got joggler for 49 Jan 03 01:22:07 yacc: ekhm Jan 03 01:22:19 yacc: so what does key mean? Jan 03 01:22:27 yacc: as in what is stored in that column? Jan 03 01:22:36 no Jan 03 01:22:37 jacekowski, I've got an Archos 101 for christmas. Jan 03 01:22:40 no Jan 03 01:22:43 you are wrong Jan 03 01:22:44 just plain Jan 03 01:22:54 DELETE FROM iradiobookmarks WHERE key='title' AND substr(quote(value), 19, 100) LIKE 'FFRRAA%' would do Jan 03 01:22:55 jacekowski, well, key are for example 'uri' or 'title' Jan 03 01:23:18 Hrm .. Jan 03 01:23:30 Ah, I see. Jan 03 01:23:32 jacekowski, no, because that deletes say (34, 'title', ...) but leaves all other entries with id=34 in the database. Jan 03 01:23:43 Interesting error this :D Jan 03 01:23:46 hmm Jan 03 01:23:46 * alterego contemplates. Jan 03 01:23:52 so you have couple entries for same id Jan 03 01:23:59 you need to select on (34, 'title', ...) to get the ids that you want to delete, and then delete all rows with id=34. Jan 03 01:24:08 id/key is the composite primary key. Jan 03 01:24:11 hmm, that's seriously fucked up Jan 03 01:24:19 and person that designed it should be shot Jan 03 01:24:21 twice Jan 03 01:24:24 to make sure Jan 03 01:24:34 You can do it in one SQL query though :P Jan 03 01:24:48 jacekowski, yeah, that's why the old guys all consider MS Access to be the most dangerous part of MS Office, ... Jan 03 01:25:15 alterego, or the mafw API? Jan 03 01:25:27 MohammadAG: something else ;) Jan 03 01:25:34 yacc: my company has huge "database" in microsoft table generator Jan 03 01:25:38 sowwy Jan 03 01:25:49 microsoft table generator == ms excel Jan 03 01:25:59 Where can I get the sourcecode of /usr/sbin/ke-recv Jan 03 01:26:27 jacekowski, well, bad database design, which a program like MS Access enables (because it makes you think that a newbie should do it) really funny ways to create fucked up data ;) Jan 03 01:26:50 NIN101: on google Jan 03 01:27:12 how can I remove Nokia logo... and see full boot log... like on pc with debian for ex Jan 03 01:27:15 i googled jacekowski Jan 03 01:27:36 alterego, is facebook redirecting microB to the touch site? Jan 03 01:27:36 I just wan't to see how open this phone really is. Jan 03 01:27:39 ~google ke-recv Jan 03 01:27:49 blah Jan 03 01:27:58 NIN101: well, i googled and it's first result in my google Jan 03 01:28:02 and? Jan 03 01:28:06 click the link in that thread Jan 03 01:28:13 you will get 404 Jan 03 01:28:17 then second result Jan 03 01:28:34 second result is working Jan 03 01:29:07 thx jacekowski , I shouldn't google "ke-recv source", fuck fail Jan 03 01:29:08 spiritd, compile a kernel with framebuffer enabled Jan 03 01:29:33 i though fb is unstable? Jan 03 01:29:37 thought even Jan 03 01:29:38 SpeedEvil: connect serial console Jan 03 01:29:40 nox-: it's not Jan 03 01:29:42 MohammadAG hmm Jan 03 01:29:47 oh Jan 03 01:29:48 SpeedEvil: not you Jan 03 01:29:52 spiritd: connect serial console Jan 03 01:29:58 someone here once said... Jan 03 01:30:02 nox-, kinda Jan 03 01:30:25 meaning? :) Jan 03 01:30:26 alterego, yeah, you can do it in one SQL statement. OTOH, jacekowski demonstrated that it's not trivial to get it right, I'm not exactly the best test person for that, I've spent some years with the jobtitle that contained the letters DBA ;) Jan 03 01:30:26 it might cause 3 reboots at startup Jan 03 01:30:28 usually won't Jan 03 01:30:32 hm Jan 03 01:30:38 otherwise, it's fine Jan 03 01:30:43 and kewl Jan 03 01:31:43 yacc: well, once you know db structure you can write a query Jan 03 01:31:59 yacc, the one who `designed' that layout cant have been a dba that much is clear :) Jan 03 01:32:13 i underestimated how fucked up is it Jan 03 01:32:16 yacc: heh :) Jan 03 01:32:17 but what is it anyways Jan 03 01:32:22 that mafw database Jan 03 01:32:32 what is using these bookmarks Jan 03 01:32:38 mediaplayer Jan 03 01:33:07 how is mohammedia player going? Jan 03 01:33:40 As scheduled methinks Jan 03 01:33:51 heh, is that it's official title yet? Jan 03 01:34:16 no lol Jan 03 01:34:17 nox-, well, as I said I've done similar if not that bad mistakes on my first "designs", but having to maintain that bullshit for a couple of years is quite an education in the drawbacks of that kind of designs. (Basically, at best long queries, many joins [actually if you need title/url/type in a result row you need 2 joins], slow running queries). Jan 03 01:34:25 jacekowski MohammadAG i though I can just switch some value somewhere... but recompilation? :) btw i meant something like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=42378 Jan 03 01:34:35 whyever not? Jan 03 01:34:44 spiritd: you can connect serial console Jan 03 01:34:50 CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE Jan 03 01:34:54 iirc Jan 03 01:34:57 spiritd: that's one Jan 03 01:34:58 So you loose all possible benefits of having SQL, but that does not make the pain of the app<->DB rift go away. It's a combination of the worst of both worlds, kind of. Jan 03 01:35:10 spiritd: or you can modify init script to dump dmesg to file Jan 03 01:35:17 spiritd: as soon as it's started Jan 03 01:35:26 that's not real time Jan 03 01:35:52 jacekowski well its more for "geek look" than for some debuging... at least now Jan 03 01:35:52 spiritd, it's just a 10 minute process :P Jan 03 01:36:10 spiritd, I could compile one for you, but I'm away from my PC Jan 03 01:36:12 if he has scratchbox Jan 03 01:36:34 installing scratchbox takes me 5 minutes Jan 03 01:36:45 I have a local mirror of the debs/archives needed :P Jan 03 01:37:00 i have mirror as well Jan 03 01:37:06 and working scratchbox Jan 03 01:37:06 and some custom scripts Jan 03 01:37:11 to copy to /tmp etc Jan 03 01:37:22 i have builder Jan 03 01:37:36 I swear my v1 roadmap is just staying the same size whilst I remove and then add new items :/ Jan 03 01:37:41 build one for him :P Jan 03 01:37:49 31G repository.maemo.org/ Jan 03 01:38:13 can I have that on DVDs shipped to me please? :P Jan 03 01:38:20 Heh Jan 03 01:38:29 i can ship them via interweb Jan 03 01:38:30 is that non-free as well jacekowski ? Jan 03 01:38:35 alterego: yes Jan 03 01:38:45 How big is non-free do you know? Jan 03 01:38:46 only fremantle Jan 03 01:38:46 jacekowski, a tar.gz of it? Jan 03 01:38:56 and only binaries Jan 03 01:38:59 no sources Jan 03 01:39:11 yeah, but downloading file-by-file takes tiem Jan 03 01:39:13 time* Jan 03 01:39:38 it took me only 20 minutes to do first download Jan 03 01:39:52 you live in Poland/UK Jan 03 01:40:02 yes Jan 03 01:40:04 where internet speeds are up to 100MBs(?) Jan 03 01:40:09 no Jan 03 01:40:13 I live in IL :P Jan 03 01:40:21 well speeds are up to couple GBs Jan 03 01:40:24 if you can afford it Jan 03 01:40:29 for personal use? Jan 03 01:40:36 as long as you can pay for it Jan 03 01:40:41 i can't Jan 03 01:40:52 but it would be nice to have at home Jan 03 01:40:58 that's server in french DC Jan 03 01:41:03 i thought it was for corps only Jan 03 01:41:10 100.4MiB /nokia-binaries Jan 03 01:41:25 MohammadAG: only corps can afford that kind of stuff Jan 03 01:41:28 * MohammadAG has a local copy of those Jan 03 01:41:30 MohammadAG: but anybody can buy it Jan 03 01:41:36 jacekowski, how much? :P Jan 03 01:41:57 I should have mirrors r.m.o when I Was at my parents this weekend. Jan 03 01:42:04 s/mirrors/mirrored/ Jan 03 01:42:05 alterego meant: I should have mirrored r.m.o when I Was at my parents this weekend. Jan 03 01:42:18 yes, you should Jan 03 01:42:21 but you didn't Jan 03 01:42:22 i recently asked for quote for 30Mbits cir=eir Jan 03 01:42:26 £1k/mo Jan 03 01:42:28 such carelessness Jan 03 01:42:33 i'll pass Jan 03 01:42:35 anyways Jan 03 01:42:40 extras-testing 162.4MiB /non-free Jan 03 01:42:44 I want a local mirror so I can setup autobuilder to test before I upload to extras builder. Jan 03 01:42:59 extras-devel arund 130M Jan 03 01:43:07 MohammadAG, well, here around a triple-play (paytv, phone, Internet) package with 100mbit/10mbit Internet costs around 70€ monthly :) Jan 03 01:43:11 alterego, you can't hide FAILED builds forever Jan 03 01:43:19 yacc: cir=eir? Jan 03 01:43:27 cir=eir? Jan 03 01:43:34 yeah, guaranteed speed Jan 03 01:43:48 that you will always get full speed 24/7 Jan 03 01:44:02 * SpeedEvil sighs. Jan 03 01:44:13 that's a thing with home stuff Jan 03 01:44:18 My net falls over every midnightish. I need to poke them again. Jan 03 01:44:25 so i need to compile my own kernel... never did that :D Jan 03 01:44:27 jacekowski, cable modem, so it's not guaranteed. OTOH, upc seems to have done it's homework this time, I see no practical congestion even in the weekend or evenings, ... Jan 03 01:44:36 spiritd, got scratchbox? Jan 03 01:44:51 Columbus is now 7884 lines in 113 files. Jan 03 01:44:55 And I'm bored. Jan 03 01:45:14 what's your vertical PC monitor resolution? Jan 03 01:45:17 yacc: thing is that with services that cost like 1k+ you have 100% uptime and uncontended bandwidth Jan 03 01:45:22 jacekowski, so no, it's not guaranteed, OTOH, my experience as one of the top-3 bandwidth users in Vienna is that they mostly keep their promises ;) Jan 03 01:45:54 well, start using it 24/7 Jan 03 01:46:04 just downloading stuff from outside their network Jan 03 01:46:06 and you will see Jan 03 01:46:22 jacekowski, I've been doing it 24/7, using 15-20 mbit/s for months, ... Jan 03 01:46:46 jacekowski, 10mbit upstream nonstop for bittorrent, that does not care for ISP structure, ... Jan 03 01:47:15 jacekowski, as I said, I've been told by 2nd/3rd level support that I managed to be in the Top-3 of bandwidth users in Vienna ;) Jan 03 01:47:26 RX bytes:619504305027 (576.9 GiB) TX bytes:8609559888167 (7.8 TiB) Jan 03 01:47:43 Jesus. Jan 03 01:48:09 wtf do you guys download :P Jan 03 01:48:13 jacekowski, some time ago they had this script that limited speeds over a certain threshold once a month, so I had to phone them, ask for being reenabled, ... Jan 03 01:48:13 porn Jan 03 01:48:22 HD? Jan 03 01:48:27 MohammadAG ... well... have something... but need to install it once again... not sure if what i have is ok... btw what distro I should use for easy-install of whole maemo sdk? ... Jan 03 01:48:39 MohammadAG: yeah Jan 03 01:48:41 Ubuntu Jan 03 01:48:46 or Debian Jan 03 01:48:48 But they've apologized, and it seems that they've managed to kill that script in September, ... Jan 03 01:48:58 RX bytes:17531908015 (17.5 GB) TX bytes:108629922052 (108.6 GB) <= that's for slightly over one day. Jan 03 01:49:03 jacekowski: Hah, my server: RX bytes:4006049500 (3.7 GiB) TX bytes:3966464529 (3.6 GiB) Jan 03 01:49:11 You're obviously a lot more popular? :D Jan 03 01:49:19 MohammadAG kk ubuntu 10.10 or 10.04? Jan 03 01:49:23 no, they just dl more porn Jan 03 01:49:28 alterego: i host quite a bit of stuff Jan 03 01:49:29 i ll use vmware Jan 03 01:49:30 I managed to do an echo b >/proc/sysrq_trigger on the wrong box. Jan 03 01:49:31 + torrents Jan 03 01:49:38 hmm Jan 03 01:49:43 10.10 should work Jan 03 01:49:44 yacc: that is impressive. Jan 03 01:49:54 mind you, I never tried installing sb on it Jan 03 01:50:05 only upgraded from 10.04 to 10.10 Jan 03 01:50:06 Which reminded me that my n900 and my desktop PC have more in common nowadays than usual ;) Jan 03 01:50:07 MohammadAG whats your distro? ... Jan 03 01:50:09 yacc: why were you doing that anyway? Jan 03 01:50:13 10.10 Jan 03 01:50:18 upgraded from 10.04 Jan 03 01:50:27 i.e I never reinstalled sb Jan 03 01:50:34 but it should work on plain 10.10 Jan 03 01:50:36 BCMM: I wanted to reboot the phone quickly experimenting, no idea what exactly, I guess with my WLAN routers ;) Jan 03 01:50:52 well i have 10.04 already here... so i ll install it on that... Jan 03 01:50:55 I would have trouble legitimately exceeding 50G with media I have the rights to. Jan 03 01:51:00 yacc: hmm, does maemo not have halt -f? Jan 03 01:51:05 /mo Jan 03 01:51:19 it has half Jan 03 01:51:21 halt* Jan 03 01:51:23 BCMM: the sysrq trigges does reboot without asking for the PIN again. Jan 03 01:51:38 alterego: are you on 32bit? Jan 03 01:51:48 jacekowski: no 64 Jan 03 01:52:02 hmm, i was thinking that it could be counter just overflowing on yours Jan 03 01:52:06 SpeedEvil, yeah, as I say, it's only legal torrents, like Ubuntu. (I've trained often enough that I can say that without starting to laugh). Jan 03 01:52:26 Unlikely. Jan 03 01:52:36 There's little traffic through that server at the moment tbh Jan 03 01:52:40 I once filled my N900 with youtube download through gpodder Jan 03 01:52:42 over 3g Jan 03 01:52:46 uptime is 102 days Jan 03 01:52:52 02:49:33 up 104 days, 10:15, 2 users, load average: 1.07, 1.14, 1.18 Jan 03 01:52:52 When I remember right, the network counters are 64bit even on 32bit platforms, ... Jan 03 01:52:57 104 Jan 03 01:52:58 ShadowJK, how was the eMMC? Jan 03 01:53:03 Hah :) Jan 03 01:53:06 yacc: nope Jan 03 01:53:14 yacc: iptables counters are 64 bit Jan 03 01:53:21 MohammadAG, what do you mean? Jan 03 01:53:31 jacekowski, oh, right, I've been living in 64bit land for some time now ;) Jan 03 01:53:42 ShadowJK, writing 26GBs directly on device surely wrecked performance Jan 03 01:53:44 ShadowJK: torents do a lot of updates to same blocks Jan 03 01:54:03 I did't do torrents. Jan 03 01:54:08 he said youtube Jan 03 01:54:56 bbl, studying Jan 03 01:55:55 There were some performance issues initially because of the sqlite databases that gpodder used, so I moved .config/gpodder to microsd and there was no jitter while downloading, as 1 megabyte/s sequential write is well within the emmc capabilities Jan 03 01:56:02 http://jacekowski.org/cgi-bin/monitorix.cgi?mode=localhost&graph=all&when=month&color=black Jan 03 01:57:15 Week 51 aye Jan 03 01:57:22 Wasn't that a maemo release? Jan 03 01:57:24 ^.^ Jan 03 01:57:32 no Jan 03 01:57:41 that was me cracking some md5 hashes Jan 03 01:57:47 Heh Jan 03 01:57:57 Oh, CPU usage. Jan 03 01:58:24 just note it's in megabytes not megabits Jan 03 01:59:59 Yeah, was week 49 maemo release? ^.^ Jan 03 02:00:16 for lcuk: http://www.flickr.com/photos/koenkooi/3604535364/ Jan 03 02:00:21 i think so Jan 03 02:00:44 pupnik: :o Jan 03 02:00:48 haha Jan 03 02:01:03 ShadowJK, writing to the uSD doesn't slow down the device? Jan 03 02:01:18 MohammadAG: why would it Jan 03 02:01:32 always had the impression it did Jan 03 02:01:36 MohammadAG, nope? Jan 03 02:01:47 interesting Jan 03 02:01:58 depends on speed/class of the usd too? Jan 03 02:02:10 On N8x0 the two mmcs were multiplexed and the device can technically just access one of them at a time Jan 03 02:02:14 that would affect speed of writing Jan 03 02:02:28 not the speed of the device Jan 03 02:02:34 true Jan 03 02:02:42 But even there, limiting sqlite diskrape to one device and having normal stuff on the other is net improvement Jan 03 02:02:52 i always thought writing to the uSD was the same as writing to the eMMC Jan 03 02:03:09 in the sense they'd both rape performance making the device unusable Jan 03 02:03:29 No Jan 03 02:03:47 It's not cpu driven Jan 03 02:03:53 depends on how much work the cpu does as opposed to the flashcontroller i guess Jan 03 02:04:13 It just looks that way because apps and swap are there too Jan 03 02:04:40 yeah, stalls in IOWAIT Jan 03 02:04:50 oh, so if swap was moved to the uSD performance would be better? Jan 03 02:05:04 no Jan 03 02:05:14 uSD is slower than eMMC Jan 03 02:05:22 unless you have very expensive uSD Jan 03 02:05:28 let's put the swap on a compressed ramdisk! Jan 03 02:05:36 I'm running swap on uSD Jan 03 02:05:36 but hmm, thinking about it Jan 03 02:05:41 it may be better Jan 03 02:05:52 because stuff is read more often from emmc than from usd Jan 03 02:06:01 that may work Jan 03 02:06:09 my uSD isn't mounted Jan 03 02:06:11 it's easy to test anyway Jan 03 02:06:14 kerio: i've seen people doing that, win95 era Jan 03 02:06:16 swap parformance may be worse Jan 03 02:06:17 i don't use it at all Jan 03 02:06:24 but general performance may be better Jan 03 02:06:24 on the theory that all the demand paging of apps and the databses in $HOME add significant random access writes Jan 03 02:06:32 Arkenoi: android and ramzswap there Jan 03 02:06:47 Arkenoi, only _that_ windows software iirc was all snakeoil Jan 03 02:07:08 what is with that snakeoil Jan 03 02:07:14 wasn't that ramdoubler Jan 03 02:07:16 i never understood where it came from Jan 03 02:07:21 and swap is also random access, so putting it on uSD with no other writers should give better perf Jan 03 02:07:26 jacekowski, well, actually, by splitting the swap to eMMC/uSD and using a class6+ card, it might work well. Jan 03 02:08:08 though I think it depends highly on the card. That paper stskeeps found on USB flash drives reverse engineered showed that FTL algorithms ranged from bad to worse Jan 03 02:08:19 ShadowJK: lonk? Jan 03 02:08:33 does swapoff usually take time? Jan 03 02:08:42 jacekowski, I managed to get satisfying speed out of an AcerOne by adding two 8GB SDHC and stripping via LVM, ... Jan 03 02:08:50 * ShadowJK 'd actually suspect that some class 2 cards will perform better than some class 6 as swap device :-) Jan 03 02:08:53 MohammadAG, that depends how much of the swap is used. Jan 03 02:09:00 jacekowski, you mean where the term comes from? selling ppl useless oil against snakebites id say Jan 03 02:09:10 MohammadAG, yes. Note you can't swapon a file on vfat, locks up Jan 03 02:09:26 MohammadAG, it needs to read in the whole swap and make space somewhere for it, so if you've got a couple of GB dirty swap that can take time. Jan 03 02:09:27 ShadowJK, it's a swap partition Jan 03 02:09:29 dd if=/sev/zero of=MyDocs/swapfile bs=1M count=700; mkswap mydocs/swapfile; swapon mydocs/swapfile; swapoff /dev/mmcblk0p5(?) Jan 03 02:09:56 DocScrutinizer, read what ShadowJK said Jan 03 02:09:56 DocScrutinizer, so they've fixed the swapon on vfat hanging bug then? :-) Jan 03 02:10:09 * ShadowJK hasn't tested since 1.0 Jan 03 02:10:12 MohammadAG, especially if the system has no place to swapout the pages that it pulls in, because then you get "starved-for-memory" slowdown before the out-of-memory killer does its dirty deed ;) Jan 03 02:10:19 swapoff done Jan 03 02:10:21 let's see Jan 03 02:10:31 LOL Jan 03 02:10:55 mmpf, I mean /media/card :-S Jan 03 02:11:02 not mydocs Jan 03 02:11:04 Actually, I wonder if somebody that compiles the kernel could add compcache, ... Jan 03 02:11:18 Too many applications open.\nUnable to open additional applications without closing some applications Jan 03 02:11:22 that's a new error Jan 03 02:11:23 and my card has a 2GB ext3 partition Jan 03 02:11:31 256MB RAM sounds like a "low-memory" situation that is perfectly situated for compressed memory ;) Jan 03 02:11:35 it actually has a swap partition Jan 03 02:11:45 One thing that significantly slows down things though, is when the amount of writes to swap has exceeded size of swap. I don't mean when swap is fully filled, I mean once 700M has been written to a 700M swap partition Jan 03 02:11:50 (from FR :-D ) Jan 03 02:11:56 I've never seen that error before Jan 03 02:12:10 Snake oil comes from a Chinese remedy for joint pain. Jan 03 02:12:40 I have a script that records iostat reading and if writes exceed swap partition size, it turns emmc swap back on, turns off uSD swap, turns on uSD swap, turns of emmc swap Jan 03 02:13:03 ShadowJK, well, actually, the problem is that the 3 times RAM size rule is massively broken for current systems. Once you've swapped out 256MB on the N900 it starts to crawl, and the bad part of 768MB swap is that it will trash for quite some time before starting to kill apps, ... Jan 03 02:13:04 derf, joint pain from snake bites? or otherwise? Jan 03 02:13:05 usually I can noticed from device performance when I've run over Jan 03 02:13:13 ShadowJK: that's first slow down Jan 03 02:13:24 ShadowJK: there is second slowdown where swap gets filled Jan 03 02:13:24 nox-: No, the oil came from the snakes. The pain came from, e.g., arthritis. Jan 03 02:13:30 oh Jan 03 02:13:48 I don't expect my device would still be working with swap filled :-) Jan 03 02:13:55 the oil came from somebody p.... into the bottles Jan 03 02:14:00 It was popularized by Chinese immigrants in America, but American snakes don't have as much of the active ingredient, so it didn't actually do anything. Jan 03 02:14:15 ShadowJK, I think it would Jan 03 02:14:25 yacc: actually the bigger the swapspace the longer it takes before the emmc/usd starts protesting about fragmentation Jan 03 02:14:27 derf: yeah, they don't do anything properly in there Jan 03 02:14:32 derf, ah interesting Jan 03 02:15:20 It depends on the app too. I've been playing widelands alot. Seems to leak memory a bit, I've had perfectly working and smooth device with 600M swap used Jan 03 02:15:44 well depends Jan 03 02:15:55 ShadowJK, yeah, but my experience is that a too big swap tends to lead to systems that can trash for hours (in the case of desktops) before becoming useful again, just because one stupid app did a calloc(-1, 1), ... Jan 03 02:15:56 as long as swap isn't full Jan 03 02:16:03 memory leak isn't going to be a problem Jan 03 02:16:05 and after closing widelands, with swap use going back to 100M, I'm not seeing much of the swap fragmentation issue either.. so it depends alot o actual access patterns Jan 03 02:16:10 but once swap fills up Jan 03 02:16:16 that's when shit hits the fan Jan 03 02:16:18 nox-: http://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Schlangenöl Jan 03 02:16:22 for sure :) Jan 03 02:16:23 and buffers are dropped Jan 03 02:16:33 so i/o goes up Jan 03 02:16:37 everything grinds to a halt Jan 03 02:16:53 * alterego did a bit of pruning, 7814 lines in 109 files :) Jan 03 02:17:00 and takes another couple minutes/hours/days for system to go into state where oom killer does it's job Jan 03 02:17:01 jacekowski, yeah, big swap is good for memory leaking stuff, but in practice if the memory leaked stuff is being accessed (e.g. it memory leaks in smaller units than the page size), you are in deep shit ;) Jan 03 02:17:21 DocScrutinizer, heh even mentiones the win95 ram compression thing Jan 03 02:17:44 Luckily widelands leaks in significantly bigger units than pagesize :) Jan 03 02:18:03 get a valgrind Jan 03 02:18:05 and run it Jan 03 02:18:20 there is one game i'm missing Jan 03 02:18:22 homm Jan 03 02:18:25 oooherr.. comitted_as is almost a gigabyte on my N900 :) Jan 03 02:18:36 there was a homm clone for windows mobile Jan 03 02:18:50 i think I saw a hmm2 thing if that's the same Jan 03 02:18:54 jacekowski, the trouble is that with the >8GB swap that Ubuntu wanted to create by default, my desktop would need hours if not days before even filling up the swap where it was not useable (when Ctrl-Alt-F1 takes 20 minutes, and text mode input echo is not instant the box is mostly unusable, IMHO), ... Jan 03 02:19:11 And before filling up the swap the OOM killer does not start it's work. Jan 03 02:19:26 yacc: well i solved it by having memory limit set to 4G Jan 03 02:19:34 yacc: and swap 2x that size Jan 03 02:19:41 So I wonder if one of those overcommit settings place the limit at physical+swap - comitted_as Jan 03 02:20:01 ShadowJK: depends on settings Jan 03 02:20:10 ShadowJK: you can either set it to swap+ram Jan 03 02:20:13 ShadowJK: or just ram Jan 03 02:21:40 Hmm, is utopia ironic in most contexts? Jan 03 02:22:01 Or is that just me being cynical. Jan 03 02:22:33 jacekowski, won't work for my desktop, got 8GB physical memory, plus 2GB virtual swap, ... Jan 03 02:22:48 ShadowJK, jacekowski DocScrutinizer http://i53.tinypic.com/21b3k7s.jpg Jan 03 02:23:09 swap (on uSD) and ram are almost full Jan 03 02:23:22 jacekowski, the really cool part about compcache is that it's so much faster than normal hdd based swap that OOM killer starts almost immediatly when memory fills up :) Jan 03 02:23:26 ah, closed fennec and comitted_as went down to 600 :) Jan 03 02:23:51 MohammadAG: OOM Jan 03 02:24:10 as someone once put it, fennec `eats ram like candy'... Jan 03 02:24:16 omnomnom Jan 03 02:24:16 MohammadAG, that happened to me when I had a small (256M) swap, or when I first swapoff mmcblkp03 before having other swap active Jan 03 02:24:42 128MB swap :P Jan 03 02:25:07 The background daemons and preloaders in n900 actually voluntarily shut down when you swapoff entirely Jan 03 02:25:31 (though with shitty widgets and alike you can still easily run into unusably slow device) Jan 03 02:25:37 yeah, but CTRL+SHIFT+X got me a terminal, so it's a UI thing Jan 03 02:26:33 can someone check EvilAlarm's code? i'm away from my PC Jan 03 02:26:39 Yes, kernel sent signal and ke-recv (probably?) passed it on, causing some things like, I'm speculating, browserd to terminate voluntarily Jan 03 02:27:02 I never looked that closely at how much shuts down Jan 03 02:27:11 see how it checks time, i have a feeling it uses a QTimer that checks time each second Jan 03 02:27:16 could be wrong though Jan 03 02:27:54 maemo has fault tolerance and plan B setups in random places :-) Jan 03 02:28:11 [ 4976.248565] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered Jan 03 02:28:13 ha Jan 03 02:29:30 * alterego wonders how hard it'd be to get the meego SGX into Maemo Jan 03 02:29:43 We could have tear free UX .. Jan 03 02:29:51 alterego, very Jan 03 02:29:58 * alterego puts it on his list of things to look at. Jan 03 02:30:10 MohammadAG: really? Jan 03 02:30:12 alterego, check PM Jan 03 02:30:15 The kernel space is that different? Jan 03 02:31:13 new episode of primeval Jan 03 02:31:30 scene it Jan 03 02:31:37 One yesterday too. Jan 03 02:31:44 yeah Jan 03 02:31:47 it's already PREd Jan 03 02:32:03 Primeval.4x02.HDTV_XviD-FoV Jan 03 02:32:26 i'm just wondering if FoV is british scene group or something else Jan 03 02:36:03 Think it's about bed time for me. Jan 03 02:36:09 * alterego checks his latest build. Jan 03 02:36:49 * alterego contemplates writing unit tests. Jan 03 02:38:44 http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2010/12/qw-01-is-now-available-for-maemo-5.html Jan 03 02:38:52 What was this game called on Windows 98? Jan 03 02:39:15 Ambrosia released it as: http://www.ambrosiasw.com/games/barrack/ Jan 03 02:40:14 Jezzball! Jan 03 02:40:17 Useless people. Jan 03 02:40:22 lol Jan 03 02:44:41 Man, I can't believe the 2000s was last decade. Jan 03 02:46:08 Me too :/ Jan 03 02:46:09 :) Jan 03 02:46:13 sucks to be old Jan 03 02:46:18 We are the future! Jan 03 02:49:36 gn8 Jan 03 02:54:11 guys i want to install unicode fonts of our language into N900 , how do i do it ? Jan 03 02:54:29 /usr/share/fonts i suppose Jan 03 02:54:41 or /home/user/.fonts for user only Jan 03 02:55:14 thanks Prophet MohammedAG (PBUY) Jan 03 02:55:26 I installed the droid fonts Jan 03 02:55:36 They have some things I don't like, but it's more of a problem with unicode itself Jan 03 02:55:57 or it might actually be coming from the nokia fonts, *shrug* Jan 03 02:57:09 who is using transliteration to type on N900 ? Jan 03 02:58:32 MohammedAG how do u type Arabic on ur phone ? Jan 03 02:58:47 I don't :P Jan 03 02:59:23 what ? Jan 03 02:59:35 I don't use arabic on my phone Jan 03 02:59:41 oh ok Jan 03 02:59:51 Latinised arabic ftw **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 03 02:59:58 2011