**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Jan 04 02:59:58 2011
Jan 04 03:00:21 <DocScrutinizer> system("waypoint-reached.sh", waypoint-id, context-id, foo, bar)
Jan 04 03:01:04 <alterego> urgh
Jan 04 03:01:06 <DocScrutinizer> for dbus you could call dbus-send in waypoint-reached.sh
Jan 04 03:01:06 <alterego> seriously?
Jan 04 03:01:45 <DocScrutinizer> if you have a system without dbus, you can easily modify waypoint-reached.sh to your new needs
Jan 04 03:01:50 <alterego> Why don't I just create 'waypoint-reached.d' and call run parts :P
Jan 04 03:02:05 <kerio> not enuff redirection
Jan 04 03:02:19 <alterego> Right, I can see that.
Jan 04 03:02:31 <alterego> But I'm not going to be running on a device that doesn't have dbus.
Jan 04 03:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, of course. Always a question of design goals
Jan 04 03:02:55 <alterego> Not to mention, that's not portable to symbian or windows
Jan 04 03:03:43 <DocScrutinizer> umm, not?
Jan 04 03:04:01 <kerio> clearly we need a running daemon that takes messages and dispatches them
Jan 04 03:04:11 <kerio> we could call it dbus
Jan 04 03:05:03 <alterego> Heh
Jan 04 03:06:17 <DocScrutinizer> you're not generally interested in a uniform anonymous messaging, not always
Jan 04 03:07:16 <alterego> ffs, how do you get lat/lon from google maps
Jan 04 03:07:17 <DocScrutinizer> esp on small clearly defines systems it's usually cruft
Jan 04 03:08:59 <DocScrutinizer> though otoh e.g CANBUS is exactly that
Jan 04 03:09:31 <kerio> yeah, it would be as stupid as using a full-fledged sw audio mixer that has performance problems on desktop computers on a phone
Jan 04 03:09:44 <DocScrutinizer> HEHE
Jan 04 03:09:50 <DocScrutinizer> X-P?
Jan 04 03:09:55 <DocScrutinizer> -?
Jan 04 03:10:01 <kerio> no :<
Jan 04 03:10:03 <kerio> imad
Jan 04 03:10:15 <nox-> alterego, upper right corner above the map, `Link'?
Jan 04 03:10:21 <kerio> i srsly mad
Jan 04 03:12:42 <alterego> nox-: yeah, using that :/
Jan 04 03:14:50 <alterego> Cool, that werked
Jan 04 03:16:44 <alterego> Heh, I might write a small tool that allows you to paste in google may urls and it creates waypoints.
Jan 04 03:16:52 <alterego> s/may/map
Jan 04 03:33:23 <alterego> I'm gonna miss conboy
Jan 04 03:33:38 <alterego> I might hack together a Qt clone
Jan 04 03:33:43 <alterego> Qornboy
Jan 04 03:33:57 <alterego> QtBoy
Jan 04 03:34:05 * alterego chuckles
Jan 04 03:47:00 <DocScrutinizer51> heh, reading maemo info center with microb is a ROYAL PITA
Jan 04 03:48:16 <Arkenoi> alterego, what's wrong with conboy?
Jan 04 03:48:39 <Arkenoi> (btw desktop tomboy sucks badly)
Jan 04 03:48:41 <alterego> Arkenoi: it's not ready for MeeGo or HArmatten/Meego
Jan 04 03:48:41 <DocScrutinizer51> (""this website optimized for ms explorer, as we thought if you could browse here using linux then you probably wouldn't need to come here at all"")
Jan 04 03:48:52 <alterego> And it's one of my most used apps on the N900 currently.
Jan 04 03:48:59 <alterego> I'd very much miss it :(
Jan 04 03:49:43 <Arkenoi> alterego, sounds bad, not because of conboy exactly but just as indication we have broken apis there. what exactly prevents it from being run there?
Jan 04 03:50:01 <alterego> conboy is Gtk, MeeGo and Harmatten are Qt
Jan 04 03:50:19 <alterego> Hence me thinking of knocking up a QtBoy ;)
Jan 04 03:50:41 <DocScrutinizer51> ~conboy
Jan 04 03:50:51 <DocScrutinizer51> thought as much
Jan 04 03:51:32 <Arkenoi> alterego, i've been told there still will be gtk on meego, at least in n9 release, is it wrong? if yes, it damn sucks
Jan 04 03:51:58 <alterego> It'll be available as much as it may be in the repo to be used as a dep
Jan 04 03:52:03 <Arkenoi> (as a legacy api but still present)
Jan 04 03:52:06 <alterego> But it wont be integrated with the system or compositor.
Jan 04 03:52:22 <alterego> So there's no way to know how well Gtk apps will work.
Jan 04 03:52:30 <Arkenoi> alterego, does it really make things different?
Jan 04 03:52:37 <alterego> And there's also a rumour going around that Harmatten has been discontinued.
Jan 04 03:53:11 <alterego> Which mean MeeGo will be next and that doesn't have to maintain any Maemo backward compatibility.
Jan 04 03:53:48 <DocScrutinizer51> NO?
Jan 04 03:54:04 <Arkenoi> damn it sucks. i'd prefer n9 running harmattan "community release" instead
Jan 04 03:54:12 <DocScrutinizer51> methought that's been the big promise
Jan 04 03:54:42 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: call me pessimistic, but it's a promise that can go out of the window if they scrap Harmatten.
Jan 04 03:55:55 <Arkenoi> ah, this is the way they try to force developers to write symbian-compatible qt software. it is not possible to "force" developers to anything, they will just say "fuck nokia" and switch to android.
Jan 04 03:56:19 <alterego> Maybe,
Jan 04 03:56:24 <alterego> I'm happy to use Qt
Jan 04 03:56:28 <alterego> I like using Qt
Jan 04 03:56:46 <nox-> android uses gtk?
Jan 04 03:56:48 <alterego> And I'm happy to implement/port apps I want to Qt
Jan 04 03:57:05 <Arkenoi> qt is ok as long as there are all familliar backends in place as well. and gtk too.
Jan 04 03:57:47 <alterego> Which you generally don't get across multiple OSs :)
Jan 04 03:59:22 <Arkenoi> alterego, and we do not need to. symbian touch is dead shit, screw it.
Jan 04 03:59:35 <alterego> It's not dead yet
Jan 04 03:59:51 <MohammadAG> alterego, is there a way to hide() all contents of a layout?
Jan 04 03:59:58 <Arkenoi> bot it is spreading cadaver poison and bad smell already
Jan 04 04:00:03 <alterego> And I'm not just talking about Symbian, I'd really like my app to run on Maemo, MeeGo, Symbian, Desktop Linux, Server Linux and Windows
Jan 04 04:00:08 <alterego> Not OS X though
Jan 04 04:00:11 <alterego> That can fuck off.
Jan 04 04:00:15 * alterego chuckles.
Jan 04 04:00:16 <MohammadAG> lol
Jan 04 04:00:32 <Arkenoi> alterego, gtk will do as well
Jan 04 04:00:49 <alterego> Arkenoi: don't make me laugh :P
Jan 04 04:01:14 <alterego> Gtk is a complete PITA on anything other than UNIX like OSs
Jan 04 04:01:49 <alterego> Also, Qt is a nice complete framework that supports a lot more than just UI
Jan 04 04:02:08 <DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: hide=true?
Jan 04 04:02:11 <alterego> Where as gobject based libs and frameworks would all need to be ported to all platforms.
Jan 04 04:02:12 <MohammadAG> screw you, I was just typing that
Jan 04 04:02:16 <MohammadAG> ( @ alterego :P)
Jan 04 04:02:21 <alterego> And it'd get horrible.
Jan 04 04:02:28 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer51, hmm, not the layout itself
Jan 04 04:02:31 <MohammadAG> the contents of it
Jan 04 04:02:33 <alterego> MohammadAG: you want to hide all elements in a Layout?
Jan 04 04:02:38 <MohammadAG> alterego, yes
Jan 04 04:02:39 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh
Jan 04 04:02:48 <alterego> Why not the whole layout btw?
Jan 04 04:02:50 <DocScrutinizer51> what it 'content'?
Jan 04 04:03:02 <MohammadAG> alterego, cause we're switching views
Jan 04 04:03:12 <MohammadAG> i.e I need to hide 4 widgets and show 1
Jan 04 04:03:18 <alterego> Hrm.
Jan 04 04:03:22 <DocScrutinizer51> yeah
Jan 04 04:03:25 <DocScrutinizer51> do that
Jan 04 04:03:28 <MohammadAG> Album view; artist view; song view etc
Jan 04 04:03:43 <alterego> Why don't you stick all of that into a QWidget and hide that instead?
Jan 04 04:04:00 <alterego> Then have your layout contain just that qwidget
Jan 04 04:04:08 <MohammadAG> I can hide each one manually
Jan 04 04:04:17 <alterego> And then call that qwidget "songview" or something.
Jan 04 04:04:18 <MohammadAG> I was wondering if there was a way to do it in one step
Jan 04 04:04:32 <alterego> Then do, songwidget->hide() ^.^
Jan 04 04:04:49 <MohammadAG> alterego, I'm doing that, but there are 5 widgets to hide()/show()
Jan 04 04:04:58 <alterego> I think you're missing my point.
Jan 04 04:05:16 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Jan 04 04:05:17 <alterego> In columbus, my views are a single widget, that widget has maybe a layout with widgets in it.
Jan 04 04:05:49 <alterego> If I didn't have my swipe gesture support, I could hide the current view and show the next view.
Jan 04 04:06:01 <MohammadAG> http://pastebin.com/4yh5w5cQ <-- this isn't exactly clean code :P
Jan 04 04:06:12 <alterego> You don't even need a root layout, you can just set geometry.
Jan 04 04:06:34 <alterego> Yes, that's pretty ugly :P
Jan 04 04:08:50 <MohammadAG> alterego, it's not ugly itself, the fact that I need to do it 5 times is
Jan 04 04:09:56 <alterego> hrm
Jan 04 04:10:25 <alterego> You see, when you add a widget to a layout, the widget is still the child of whatever you set the parent to (presumable the parent widget)
Jan 04 04:10:41 <alterego> And layouts just control the geometry of the child widget.
Jan 04 04:10:43 <DocScrutinizer> if you set parent to hidden
Jan 04 04:10:45 <DocScrutinizer> ...
Jan 04 04:11:06 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: would hide everything and wouldn't allow him to show his _other_ children.
Jan 04 04:11:23 <MohammadAG> alterego, here's the UI btw http://i54.tinypic.com/11jrczb.jpg
Jan 04 04:11:31 <DocScrutinizer> that'S what I thought, yeah
Jan 04 04:11:55 <DocScrutinizer> ooh wouldn't :-S
Jan 04 04:12:39 <alterego> foreach(QObject *target, layout->widget()->children() {QWidget *widget = qobject_cast<QWidget*>(target); if(widget != NULL) widget.hide(); }
Jan 04 04:12:43 <alterego> That will probably do what you want.
Jan 04 04:12:49 <DocScrutinizer> I always thought a hidden widget with childs is truely invisible and wouldn't interfere with other visible overlapping widgets
Jan 04 04:12:54 <alterego> With an extra brace.
Jan 04 04:13:04 <alterego> s/dren()/dren())/
Jan 04 04:13:29 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: the parent widget in this case is the parent of both of his views widgets.
Jan 04 04:13:43 <DocScrutinizer> then he needs a different layout
Jan 04 04:13:57 <alterego> He needs to split it into two seperate widgets :P
Jan 04 04:14:03 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jan 04 04:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I said, no?
Jan 04 04:14:57 <DocScrutinizer> widget-frame-or-whatever->child-button1; ->child-button2...
Jan 04 04:14:58 <alterego> Well, layouts are something else.
Jan 04 04:15:06 <alterego> I guess it's just a mixture of terminology.
Jan 04 04:15:17 <DocScrutinizer> widget-frame-or-whatever.visible=false
Jan 04 04:15:59 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: yeah, that's the basic idea.
Jan 04 04:16:06 <MohammadAG> /home/mohammad/scratchbox/mediaplayer-build-maemo-test/../test/mediaplayer/musicwindow.cpp:262: error: request for member 'hide' in 'widget', which is of non-class type 'QWidget*'
Jan 04 04:16:36 <alterego> widget->hide()
Jan 04 04:16:39 <alterego> Sorry ;)
Jan 04 04:16:43 <alterego> It is 4:15am ..
Jan 04 04:17:00 <MohammadAG> Tue Jan  4 06:13:34 IST 2011
Jan 04 04:17:11 <MohammadAG> lame excuse :P
Jan 04 04:17:33 <alterego> You're going to have more fun showing them tbh.
Jan 04 04:17:45 <MohammadAG> why's that?
Jan 04 04:17:50 <DocScrutinizer> 2011-01-04 05:14
Jan 04 04:18:13 <alterego> Because all your widgets have the same parent, you're hiding all of them and showing all of them if you use that code.
Jan 04 04:18:24 <DocScrutinizer> or (EEEWW) Di. Jan 4 05:14:44 2011
Jan 04 04:18:26 <alterego> How can you distinguish between widgets in one view or the other?
Jan 04 04:18:47 <MohammadAG> I'm secretly Chuck Norris
Jan 04 04:18:51 <alterego> Seriously, split it up into two seperate "view" widgets and just show and hide them respectively.
Jan 04 04:19:16 <alterego> It _will_ save you pain :P
Jan 04 04:19:32 <MohammadAG> I'm not sure what this is about :P
Jan 04 04:19:41 <MohammadAG> I need to hide 4/5, and show 1/5
Jan 04 04:19:45 <DocScrutinizer> not only you, also all the poor fellow coders ;-D
Jan 04 04:19:57 <alterego> http://images2.cpcache.com/nocache/product/343170462v2147483647_480x480_Front.jpg
Jan 04 04:20:17 <alterego> MohammadAG: at the moment you do, but what if we want to change that 1/5 to 2/6 ?
Jan 04 04:20:18 <MohammadAG> you weren't kidding about the 4:15 part
Jan 04 04:20:19 <MohammadAG> Segmentation fault
Jan 04 04:20:33 <alterego> Hah
Jan 04 04:20:35 <MohammadAG> alterego, I don't, only 1 widget can fit in 800x480
Jan 04 04:20:36 <alterego> Meh
Jan 04 04:21:07 <DocScrutinizer> sigh
Jan 04 04:21:13 <alterego> Okay, well, stick the 4/5 into another widget and then you're dealing with 1/2
Jan 04 04:21:14 <alterego> easy
Jan 04 04:21:30 <MohammadAG> alterego, open the stock mediaplayer
Jan 04 04:21:33 <alterego> Which is basically exactly what we've been telling you to do.
Jan 04 04:21:42 <MohammadAG> alterego, it won't work that way
Jan 04 04:21:53 <alterego> okay, it's open
Jan 04 04:22:00 <MohammadAG> go to songs
Jan 04 04:22:07 <MohammadAG> Music, whatever
Jan 04 04:22:10 <MohammadAG> click the title bar
Jan 04 04:22:17 <alterego> m'hmm
Jan 04 04:22:18 <MohammadAG> you'll see song views
Jan 04 04:22:22 <alterego> yes
Jan 04 04:22:26 <MohammadAG> click one, a widget is hidden, and another is shown
Jan 04 04:22:32 <MohammadAG> I have 5 widgets in the layout
Jan 04 04:22:39 <MohammadAG> I need to hide 4, and show 1 of them
Jan 04 04:22:46 <MohammadAG> depending on which button the user clicks
Jan 04 04:22:52 <MohammadAG> they're not the same 4 all the time
Jan 04 04:23:19 <alterego> They're probably deleted and added dynamically.
Jan 04 04:23:19 <MohammadAG> so I wanted something like layout->contents().hide() and ui->oneWidget->show()
Jan 04 04:23:23 <alterego> Do you know how I'd do it though?
Jan 04 04:23:24 <MohammadAG> no
Jan 04 04:23:32 <MohammadAG> (about the deletion part)
Jan 04 04:23:37 <MohammadAG> they're not deleted
Jan 04 04:23:41 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: FIRST of ALL: hide all 5, then enable the one you want
Jan 04 04:23:49 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, that's what I want to do!
Jan 04 04:24:01 <alterego> How do you know what it is doing?
Jan 04 04:24:02 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> so I wanted something like layout->contents().hide() and ui->oneWidget->show()
Jan 04 04:24:03 <DocScrutinizer> write a function that hides them all
Jan 04 04:24:05 <alterego> It's fucking closed source.
Jan 04 04:24:16 <MohammadAG> alterego, hah
Jan 04 04:24:20 <MohammadAG> sec, lemme explain that :P
Jan 04 04:24:24 <MohammadAG> select album view
Jan 04 04:24:29 <MohammadAG> you'll see it populates the list
Jan 04 04:24:33 <MohammadAG> and rapes the CPU while doing so
Jan 04 04:24:40 <alterego> yes
Jan 04 04:24:41 <MohammadAG> now switch to something else
Jan 04 04:24:45 <MohammadAG> and switch back to album view
Jan 04 04:24:48 <MohammadAG> they won't be gone
Jan 04 04:24:56 <MohammadAG> and it won't repopulate
Jan 04 04:25:16 <alterego> m'hmm
Jan 04 04:25:28 <alterego> Probably because the model isn't being reloaded.
Jan 04 04:25:44 <DocScrutinizer> I guess you have a canvas to display all the covers, and you simply hide() that
Jan 04 04:25:50 <alterego> You do realise that the album view is just a GtkIconView thing.
Jan 04 04:25:58 <alterego> And they're probably all coming out of a single model.
Jan 04 04:26:11 <alterego> Or maybe there are several models, "songs", "albums" etc.
Jan 04 04:26:22 <MohammadAG> does it matter? :P
Jan 04 04:26:27 <alterego> But it's the model that needs to cache, the view (if coded right) only displays what is being displayed.
Jan 04 04:26:59 <alterego> Infact, it looks like it does recreate the widget.
Jan 04 04:27:10 <alterego> Because the position in the list is changed.
Jan 04 04:27:18 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, A PITA
Jan 04 04:27:35 <DocScrutinizer> esp for going back in directory tree etc
Jan 04 04:27:39 <alterego> IT does remember the row, but it doesn't remember the exact y position.
Jan 04 04:28:04 <MohammadAG> it does for me
Jan 04 04:28:10 <MohammadAG> maybe it was still populating for you?
Jan 04 04:28:35 <alterego> Yeah, it remembers the row, but it doesn't remember the exact y position.
Jan 04 04:28:47 <alterego> Which makes me think it recreates the widget.
Jan 04 04:28:49 <MohammadAG> it does, I left it on the i's dot :P
Jan 04 04:29:11 <MohammadAG> check again
Jan 04 04:29:21 <DocScrutinizer> use HFM on a dir with many files and subdirs, enter one subdir, go back ---> back to top of list >:-(((
Jan 04 04:29:27 <alterego> HJahah, just noticed another bug
Jan 04 04:29:55 <alterego> If you scroll half way through your albums, switch to artists, then switch back.
Jan 04 04:30:05 <alterego> Don't touch the screen and just look at the albumns.,
Jan 04 04:30:20 <alterego> IT displays the top of the list, even though it's acutally scrolled half way down.
Jan 04 04:30:45 <DocScrutinizer> that's all such a pile of crap
Jan 04 04:31:08 <alterego> Then when you start to scroll it redisplays proper list area.
Jan 04 04:31:23 <DocScrutinizer> if only HFM did at least that
Jan 04 04:31:30 <MohammadAG> ah, the album view
Jan 04 04:31:40 <MohammadAG> alterego, only the album view doesn't remember y position
Jan 04 04:31:42 <MohammadAG> the rest do
Jan 04 04:31:52 <alterego> I told you, it _does_ remember y position.
Jan 04 04:31:53 <MohammadAG> maybe it only sets geometry to 0 instead of hiding?
Jan 04 04:32:00 <alterego> It's just when you go back for some reason it fucks it up.
Jan 04 04:32:05 <DocScrutinizer> ouch
Jan 04 04:32:06 <MohammadAG> ah
Jan 04 04:32:06 <MohammadAG> k
Jan 04 04:32:20 <MohammadAG> now back to the problem at hand? :P
Jan 04 04:32:23 <alterego> Go back, look at the right side and note where the scroll indicator is.
Jan 04 04:32:32 <DocScrutinizer> setting geometry to 0,0 is not a nice idea
Jan 04 04:32:38 <MohammadAG> yeah, I tried to scroll, it went to y and back again
Jan 04 04:32:39 <alterego> Then try and scroll and you'll see it undo its' fuck up :P
Jan 04 04:32:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, it's not our mediaplayer
Jan 04 04:32:49 <MohammadAG> alterego, yup, noticed
Jan 04 04:32:53 <alterego> Anyhow
Jan 04 04:32:56 <alterego> Yes, your issue.
Jan 04 04:33:00 <alterego> It segfaulted :P
Jan 04 04:33:06 <alterego> Run it through a debugger :D
Jan 04 04:33:23 <alterego> fuck it's 4:30 now >:(
Jan 04 04:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> 5:30
Jan 04 04:33:43 <MohammadAG> alterego, I did
Jan 04 04:34:06 <MohammadAG> it segfaulted on the foreach line (I split your code into lines, since having it on one line is kinda... can't find the right word)
Jan 04 04:34:24 <alterego> I didn't want to spam :P
Jan 04 04:34:33 <alterego> I just typed it in from memory :P
Jan 04 04:34:40 <MohammadAG>  foreach(QObject *target, ui->songsLayout->widget()->children())
Jan 04 04:35:01 * alterego shudders.
Jan 04 04:35:58 <DocScrutinizer> waaaaaaAAAaaaah
Jan 04 04:36:19 <DocScrutinizer> please say this isn't what it looks like!
Jan 04 04:36:29 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: ?
Jan 04 04:36:45 <MohammadAG> birds falling in germany?
Jan 04 04:36:55 <DocScrutinizer> you're not running over all song objects of the songs list?
Jan 04 04:37:01 <MohammadAG> or is it the piglets this time?
Jan 04 04:37:08 <MohammadAG> no, they're 5 widgets
Jan 04 04:37:31 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, http://i54.tinypic.com/11jrczb.jpg
Jan 04 04:37:41 <MohammadAG> I need to hide all 5 widgets in that, and show one
Jan 04 04:38:05 <DocScrutinizer> pheeew, you scared the shit outa me
Jan 04 04:38:27 <MohammadAG> I'm surprised there's no contents() method
Jan 04 04:38:39 <alterego> MohammadAG: doesn't work like that unfortunately.
Jan 04 04:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> I can't find any bug in HMP, in all-albums view
Jan 04 04:39:46 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, scroll so that half an album art isn't visible, switch views and switch back
Jan 04 04:39:50 * MohammadAG asks on #qt
Jan 04 04:40:05 <DocScrutinizer> clicking an album, the whole canvas slides left and song list of that album slides in from right
Jan 04 04:41:07 <DocScrutinizer> err, half of AN album art? I got 3 rows of 5 here, 2 of them with cover art cut half
Jan 04 04:41:37 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: we're not talking about selecting an album, go to the menu and change view, then change back again.
Jan 04 04:41:51 <DocScrutinizer> chnage view to what?
Jan 04 04:41:59 <alterego> Anything, then change back.
Jan 04 04:42:03 <DocScrutinizer> oooh
Jan 04 04:42:05 <alterego> album to artist view
Jan 04 04:42:30 <MohammadAG> <Xenakios> iterate over the widgets <-- isn't that what you were doing? lol
Jan 04 04:42:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Jan 04 04:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> confirmed
Jan 04 04:43:09 <alterego> Yes, that's what I said.
Jan 04 04:43:15 <alterego> There must be someting wrong with your crap.
Jan 04 04:43:28 <alterego> instead of doing layout->widget()->children()
Jan 04 04:43:35 <alterego> Use: this->childre()
Jan 04 04:44:46 <lolloo> MohammadAG, this your media player? does it support mms:// protocol video streaming ?
Jan 04 04:45:43 <MohammadAG> lolloo, we'll worry about that later
Jan 04 04:45:51 <lolloo> alright.
Jan 04 04:46:45 <MohammadAG> alterego, thinking of making a function that just hides all widgets
Jan 04 04:47:21 <alterego> Yes, do that :P
Jan 04 04:47:32 <alterego> You know what I think you should do :P
Jan 04 04:47:42 <alterego> And I've told you how to do what you want to do.
Jan 04 04:47:51 <alterego> Why not do what you're already doing :P
Jan 04 04:47:56 * alterego chuckles
Jan 04 04:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: and you say you can't place those 5 in http://i54.tinypic.com/11jrczb.jpg into a container widget or frame?
Jan 04 04:48:43 <alterego> He can, he's just not going to :P
Jan 04 04:48:50 <alterego> They already are.
Jan 04 04:49:06 <DocScrutinizer> or you can't place a second container widget or frame on top of that?
Jan 04 04:50:02 <MohammadAG> actually, I did place them in a QWidget, found no way to hide the widgets then
Jan 04 04:50:24 <alterego> You hide the qwidget you placed them in.
Jan 04 04:50:38 <MohammadAG> but that hides the container, not the widgets themselves
Jan 04 04:50:39 <alterego> Provided you've parented them properly.
Jan 04 04:50:58 <alterego> IT does it you do it properly!
Jan 04 04:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, centralwidget
Jan 04 04:51:11 <MohammadAG> I... see
Jan 04 04:51:15 * alterego chuckles
Jan 04 04:51:41 <MohammadAG> then I need to show the QWidget again and show the widget I want?
Jan 04 04:51:49 <alterego> No
Jan 04 04:51:57 <alterego> Then you just show the qwidget you want.
Jan 04 04:52:04 <alterego> Why reshow the ones you've just hidden?
Jan 04 04:52:13 <alterego> You're turning 4/5 into 1/2
Jan 04 04:52:20 <alterego> geddit?
Jan 04 04:52:36 <MohammadAG> so wait, if a widget is a child of another widget, and I hide the parent, then the children are hidden?
Jan 04 04:52:55 <MohammadAG> and if I show a child, then it'll show even if the parent is hidden?
Jan 04 04:52:57 <DocScrutinizer> YES :-D
Jan 04 04:53:04 <DocScrutinizer> NO
Jan 04 04:53:19 <MohammadAG> <alterego> Then you just show the qwidget you want.
Jan 04 04:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: the idea is to have overlapping QWidgets
Jan 04 04:53:56 <DocScrutinizer> eachof them the size of your screen
Jan 04 04:53:59 <MohammadAG> that breaks the idea of layouts
Jan 04 04:54:03 <DocScrutinizer> no
Jan 04 04:54:12 <MohammadAG> I'd be setting geometry myself
Jan 04 04:54:50 <alterego> MohammadAG: No
Jan 04 04:55:28 <alterego> Why are you setting the "other" widget as a child of it?
Jan 04 04:55:31 <alterego> There's no fucking point.
Jan 04 04:55:35 <alterego> It's complicating things.
Jan 04 04:55:50 <alterego> You have _two_ sibling widgets, that are children of your QMainWindow and that is it.
Jan 04 04:55:56 <alterego> show and hide each of them as you need to.
Jan 04 04:56:05 <lolloo> btw, I bought this book http://www.amazon.com/Beginning-Nokia-Apps-Development-OpenSymbian/dp/1430231777
Jan 04 04:56:21 <lolloo> after my exams I will start reading it.
Jan 04 04:56:26 <DocScrutinizer> there are two alternative QWidgets, childs of musicscreen, and both size of 800*412 or whatever
Jan 04 04:58:16 <DocScrutinizer> if you hide the top layer qwidget, then the lower layer will show up (you might want to hide that nevertheless as long as the other one is shown)
Jan 04 04:59:15 <DocScrutinizer> you can have 2, 3 or 42 QWidgets, all childs of mainscreen
Jan 04 04:59:36 <DocScrutinizer> and each holding its very own set of children widgets
Jan 04 05:01:24 <DocScrutinizer> it's a bit tricky to figure when they are instantiated
Jan 04 05:01:31 <DocScrutinizer> ...sometimes
Jan 04 05:02:21 <DocScrutinizer> and if all are 'alive' and only hidden, then they eat quite a bit of RAM each
Jan 04 05:03:05 <DocScrutinizer> but that's for sure the fastest and easiest switching of a screen content/display you can get
Jan 04 05:05:39 <DocScrutinizer> btw a tab widget is working quite similar
Jan 04 05:07:29 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, probably you could use tabwidget and just reduce size of tabs to 0
Jan 04 05:14:54 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 04 05:15:01 <MohammadAG> how do I check if a QSettings value exists?
Jan 04 05:16:40 <MohammadAG> contains(), nevermind
Jan 04 05:22:55 <MohammadAG> ffs
Jan 04 05:23:00 <MohammadAG> I was editing the wrong file
Jan 04 05:27:11 <Termana> good morning
Jan 04 05:28:01 <MohammadAG> morning Termana
Jan 04 05:35:17 <MohammadAG> alterego, I ended up doing it like this, if you feel there's a better way, patches welcome :P http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/e8c58be240011e9e71c610f4c7ea6af297a55d1f
Jan 04 06:26:52 <franz_> ~ping
Jan 04 06:26:53 <infobot> ~pong
Jan 04 06:27:22 <moshee> :o
Jan 04 06:39:44 <MohammadAG> ~ping
Jan 04 06:39:45 <infobot> ~pong
Jan 04 06:50:45 <iteration> what is involved in tethering my n900 to a FreeBSD router
Jan 04 06:50:51 <iteration> dsl is out for a few days, id like to get the internet back
Jan 04 06:51:18 <psycho_oreos> USB networking, if thats supported under FreeBSD
Jan 04 06:51:42 <iteration> so, putting the phone in (on pc suite mode), and organizing the networking
Jan 04 06:51:44 <iteration> no additional software?
Jan 04 06:51:52 <iteration> like for windows i use pc suite
Jan 04 06:53:18 <psycho_oreos> well there's no pc suite for linux, neither would there be one for FreeBSD I bet. No additional software isn't needed generally under linux but under FreeBSD the case maybe different. I suppose its probably a kernel module that may need to be compiled, matches the running kernel version/arch and is ready for use
Jan 04 06:57:01 <iteration> yeah, i am trying to find what omdule i will need
Jan 04 06:57:07 <iteration> it seems unlikely that itd be in generic
Jan 04 06:57:49 <SpeedEvil> iteration: you plug it in, you select pc-suite mode, and you set it up as a 'generic' 3g modem
Jan 04 06:58:02 <SpeedEvil> And it 'just works'
Jan 04 06:58:06 <iteration> hmm. alright
Jan 04 07:05:55 <pupnik> android 'apps' suck so bad
Jan 04 07:07:07 <MohammadAG> heh why?
Jan 04 07:07:43 <ds3> that is an understatement
Jan 04 07:08:20 <MohammadAG> i thought they were comparable to iOS apps
Jan 04 07:20:52 <lolloo> hi again, I was trying to install freoffice, but I got this error.
Jan 04 07:20:54 <lolloo> Unpacking freoffice (from .../freoffice_0.3-1_armel.deb) ...
Jan 04 07:21:32 <lolloo> E: Sub-process /usr/bin/dpkg returned an error code (1
Jan 04 07:21:58 <lolloo>  error processing /var/cache/apt/archives/freoffice_0.3-1_armel.deb (--unpack):
Jan 04 07:22:25 <lolloo> trying to overwrite `/usr/share/icons/hicolor/48x48/mimetypes/gnome-mime-application-msword.png', which is also in package docstogo
Jan 04 07:24:48 <lolloo> mmm I think I need to remove docstogo.
Jan 04 08:53:48 <Venemo_N900> hi
Jan 04 08:54:22 <crashanddie> sup
Jan 04 09:01:31 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Jan 04 09:02:24 <DocScrutinizer> 'clipse
Jan 04 09:15:10 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 04 09:15:54 <lcuk> \o morning jaffa, all
Jan 04 09:16:05 <DocScrutinizer> morning
Jan 04 09:17:39 <crashanddie> morning lcuk, Jaffa, DocScrutinizer
Jan 04 09:18:30 <jacekowski> morning crashanddie
Jan 04 09:20:21 <DocScrutinizer> good night john boy
Jan 04 09:20:33 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Jan 04 09:29:27 <_GeekShadow> Get a N900! http://www.hudie.in/?fromuid=136809
Jan 04 09:30:08 <tybollt_> aargh
Jan 04 09:30:17 <tybollt_> that was NSFW
Jan 04 09:30:18 <tybollt_> ffs
Jan 04 09:40:00 <timeless_mbp> tybollt_: obviously you need to configure your irc client to use a private-browsing browser
Jan 04 09:40:23 * timeless_mbp is confused
Jan 04 09:40:33 <fellu> Umm
Jan 04 09:40:47 <fellu> Where is good FAQ for istalling new android on my n900
Jan 04 09:41:02 <timeless_mbp> this looks like Chinese, not Hindi/whatever
Jan 04 09:41:11 <timeless_mbp> tld violation
Jan 04 09:43:03 <Venemo_N900> fellu: #nitdroid is the topic for that. it is OT here
Jan 04 09:43:30 <Venemo_N900> morning lcuk
Jan 04 09:45:16 <timeless_mbp> very little content actually, about 3 pages
Jan 04 09:45:17 <timeless_mbp> i
Jan 04 09:45:32 <timeless_mbp> it actually looks like it might be more of a risque poetry site :o
Jan 04 09:46:05 <Venemo_N900> lol timeless_mbp
Jan 04 09:55:02 <brbcoffee> yo, I have had my n900 for a couple of days now. it is awesome and i pimped it to the max.  However I pimped it too hard and had to reflash.  Now I can,
Jan 04 09:55:38 <brbcoffee> 't remember how to get the 'rush' command for a root shell back
Jan 04 09:55:52 <brbcoffee> does any one know?
Jan 04 09:56:31 <fellu> vanemo, oki, thx
Jan 04 09:56:31 <brbcoffee> also is there a better terminal emulator available, xterm kinda sucks...
Jan 04 09:57:45 <brbcoffee> I have installed rootsh however it does not have it.
Jan 04 10:00:04 <brbcoffee> anyone?
Jan 04 10:00:40 <RobbieThe1st> root shell: "sudo gainroot"
Jan 04 10:00:49 <RobbieThe1st> in x-term
Jan 04 10:02:15 <brbcoffee> aah, robbie the thiest.  we spoke a few days ago!
Jan 04 10:03:00 <RobbieThe1st> Probably
Jan 04 10:03:11 <tybollt_> crashanddie: Thank you! :)
Jan 04 10:04:10 * RobbieThe1st is still experiencing withdrawal from no working n900 (Replacement screen hasn't arrived yet). 
Jan 04 10:04:35 <brbcoffee> get an otterbox man!
Jan 04 10:04:47 <tybollt_> I am experiencing pre-withdrawal (work is going to replace my N900 w/ a desire :-|
Jan 04 10:05:18 <RobbieThe1st> http://ebay.com
Jan 04 10:05:53 <brbcoffee> amazon
Jan 04 10:06:12 <brbcoffee> how do i type a pipe on n900?
Jan 04 10:06:55 <RobbieThe1st> um, it's in the special-chars menu
Jan 04 10:07:03 <RobbieThe1st> alt + shift to bring it up, IIRC
Jan 04 10:10:28 <brbcoffee> can i remove busybox?
Jan 04 10:11:53 <RobbieThe1st> brbcoffee: No.
Jan 04 10:12:11 <RobbieThe1st> brbcoffee: Why would you want to? You can use Bash as an alternate shell, if you wish
Jan 04 10:12:39 <RobbieThe1st> brbcoffee: You can also change the keyboard layout if you need certain chars(like the pipe) handy.
Jan 04 10:13:54 <brbcoffee> i have installed bash however i cannot make it work for root.  i run bash-setup as root and it still uses BB
Jan 04 10:14:11 <RobbieThe1st> I forget, it's kind of weird
Jan 04 10:14:24 <RobbieThe1st> You can try just running "bash" at the root BB prompt
Jan 04 10:15:44 <RobbieThe1st> But yea... removing BB == reflash required, usually
Jan 04 10:18:15 <brbcoffee> ok. brb, coffee
Jan 04 10:56:51 <brbcoffee> yo
Jan 04 10:56:53 <brbcoffee> right
Jan 04 10:56:57 <brbcoffee> lets do this
Jan 04 10:57:28 <brbcoffee> before i buggered up my n900 there was a command available called 'rush'
Jan 04 10:57:44 <brbcoffee>  this command would grant me a root shell with bash
Jan 04 10:57:59 <brbcoffee> now I have reflashed I cannot find this command anymore
Jan 04 10:58:21 <brbcoffee> 1. what package must i install to get rush back? (no geddy lee jokes pls)
Jan 04 10:58:40 <brbcoffee> 2. How can I have root  using bash instead of Busy box?
Jan 04 10:58:53 <brbcoffee> 3. Is there a better terminal than xterm available?
Jan 04 10:59:31 <jhb> brbcoffee: install rootsh, type root , type bash
Jan 04 10:59:32 <brbcoffee> 4. A bunch of stuff about fcam however root terminal is more important to me
Jan 04 11:09:31 <brbcoffeee> woot, thank you
Jan 04 11:09:35 <brbcoffeee> root works now
Jan 04 11:09:52 <brbcoffeee> next question, is there a better terminal emulator?
Jan 04 11:10:52 <brbcoffeee> because xterm kinda sucks, unless somone can tell me how to reduce the size of the tab, esc, ctrl soft buttons?
Jan 04 11:11:25 <brbcoffeee> ?
Jan 04 11:11:36 <kerio> gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"
Jan 04 11:11:39 <kerio> there, reduced to 0
Jan 04 11:11:52 <kerio> it's the only sensible way to use it
Jan 04 11:12:06 <kerio> and due to a bug you still get the buttons at the beginning, until you go fullscreen
Jan 04 11:13:12 <brbcoffeee> nice one, however I would still like to use the tab button, is there a known technique for removing those buttonss but still having tab?
Jan 04 11:15:19 <kerio> add some way to tab to your keymap
Jan 04 11:15:24 <kerio> i use fn+backspace
Jan 04 11:15:35 <brbcoffeee> ok thankk you
Jan 04 11:16:31 <brbcoffeee> ok next question
Jan 04 11:16:49 <brbcoffeee> I have titans power kernel v42
Jan 04 11:16:59 <kerio> don't overclock
Jan 04 11:17:03 <kerio> it's not safe. ever
Jan 04 11:17:14 <brbcoffeee> did you have a bad experiance?
Jan 04 11:17:26 <kerio> it's just physics
Jan 04 11:17:38 <kerio> either what we know about electrons is wrong, or overclocking is not safe
Jan 04 11:17:45 <BCMM> brbcoffeee: the cpu clock is set where it is for reasons of the CPU's lifespan, not for batter reasons.
Jan 04 11:18:00 <brbcoffeee> ok, ok this is not a question about OC
Jan 04 11:18:08 <BCMM> there is not a safe level of overclocking. there is simply a sliding scale. do you want to burn out your cpu in years, months, or days?
Jan 04 11:18:48 <brbcoffeee> I am well aware of the dangers of OC
Jan 04 11:19:02 <brbcoffeee> What I was asking was:
Jan 04 11:19:47 <brbcoffeee> I have the fcam drivers installed, then blessn900 however when I take a photo with blessn900 it is like two photos overlayed one another
Jan 04 11:20:03 <brbcoffeee> is this is commonly reported problem?
Jan 04 11:20:08 <kerio> yeah, bless is not really good
Jan 04 11:20:15 <kerio> unless you have a tripod, in which case it's awesome
Jan 04 11:20:29 <brbcoffeee> yeah bless sucks or yeah this is a common issue?
Jan 04 11:21:04 <kerio> well, it's more of a problem in the design
Jan 04 11:21:10 <kerio> blessn900 works by taking two photos
Jan 04 11:21:17 <brbcoffeee> i understand that
Jan 04 11:21:22 <kerio> and merging them together to increase detail
Jan 04 11:21:36 <kerio> so if you move, even slightly, you get two different pictures overlayed
Jan 04 11:25:13 <brbcoffeee> ok thank you
Jan 04 11:25:20 <brbcoffeee> next question
Jan 04 11:26:10 <brbcoffeee> if I have a program full screened and it has no 'unfullscreen' button is there a better war to get back to the task manager without having to open the keyboard and press ctrl+bspc?
Jan 04 11:26:32 <brbcoffeee> gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/xterm/toolbar -t bool "false"
Jan 04 11:28:36 <kerio> brbcoffeee: camkeyd
Jan 04 11:28:46 <brbcoffeee> thank you
Jan 04 11:28:47 <kerio> it's really useful
Jan 04 11:32:24 * brbcoffeee is balls-deep in keymap
Jan 04 12:12:30 <Venemo> hi guys
Jan 04 12:12:35 <Venemo> HSDPA is king :)
Jan 04 12:13:04 <Venemo> I can download stuff with the N900 as USB modem about 2 times faster than I could on the wifi here
Jan 04 12:13:40 <Venemo> (unfortunately the evil neighbour seems to have protected his wifi after we've been using it for 2 years...)
Jan 04 12:13:49 <Venemo> so I have to restort to the N900 now
Jan 04 12:17:37 <DocScrutinizer> remoo
Jan 04 12:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: h-e-n GUI 0.3 : status:broken, can't be updated ... ? o.O?
Jan 04 12:19:14 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (in HAM)
Jan 04 12:20:13 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: its postinst failed for me too (from terminal)
Jan 04 12:20:41 <DocScrutinizer> there's no postinst involved when clicking "details"?
Jan 04 12:20:57 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: um, sorry, for me it isn't the h-e-n package. (mistaken if for cssu-enabler)
Jan 04 12:21:17 <Venemo> s/if/it
Jan 04 12:21:37 <DocScrutinizer> oooh, cssu-enabler. Sounds nice :-D
Jan 04 12:22:01 <Venemo> it was updated yesterday, but its postinst failed
Jan 04 12:22:14 <Venemo> I can't even remove it with dpkg -r since that one also bothers with the postinst
Jan 04 12:23:09 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: the package has been in the works for some time, but MohammadAG and Jaffa are having trouble with it :(
Jan 04 12:24:14 <DocScrutinizer> I also got hostmode-scripts-0.1 o.O
Jan 04 12:24:58 * DocScrutinizer thinks he has some obsolete cruft on his devel device (in addition to the 1.1.1 rootfs :-P)
Jan 04 12:25:08 <alterego> Venemo: it'll only get fixed if the package is fixed.
Jan 04 12:25:33 <alterego> When dpkg tries to remove something, if the current versions postinst/postrm failes, it tries the new packages postrm
Jan 04 12:25:44 <alterego> Wait, the postinst failes?
Jan 04 12:25:50 <alterego> It shouldn't have installed then :P
Jan 04 12:26:14 <Venemo> alterego: it _upgraded_ and then the postinst fails
Jan 04 12:26:28 <Venemo> alterego: for some reason it doesn't let me remove either
Jan 04 12:26:29 <alterego> Right
Jan 04 12:26:36 <alterego> Hrm, lame O_O
Jan 04 12:26:50 <alterego> What does it say when you try and install it again?
Jan 04 12:27:26 <DocScrutinizer> HAM and alternative repos seems to be a royal PITA
Jan 04 12:27:37 <Venemo> alterego: same thing
Jan 04 12:27:48 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: HAM is a sick, crap thing
Jan 04 12:28:00 <DocScrutinizer> obviously
Jan 04 12:28:44 <Venemo> I've no idea how they could let its code base get this wrong
Jan 04 12:29:39 <DocScrutinizer> no idea, never looked into it, never wrapped my head around it beyond the fact there's some apt-worker-thread
Jan 04 12:30:04 <Venemo> yeah, that much I know too
Jan 04 12:30:16 <alterego> Well, it is OSS ;)
Jan 04 12:30:32 <Venemo> alterego: it's OSS because its code is so crap that noone would bother looking at it
Jan 04 12:30:44 <alterego> Heh
Jan 04 12:30:56 <Venemo> it could be improved though with the extensive use of caching things and the use of threading
Jan 04 12:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> definitely. Also lok at what HAM does when invoked from backup-tool restore
Jan 04 12:31:50 <DocScrutinizer> look*
Jan 04 12:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> there you suddenly *can* select multiple pkgs for installation
Jan 04 12:32:26 <Venemo> hehe, yeah...
Jan 04 12:32:36 <Venemo> I think Jaffa looked into the source
Jan 04 12:32:42 <DocScrutinizer> prior to apt-worker-thread doing its thing for 5+ minutes
Jan 04 12:33:04 <alterego> Heh
Jan 04 12:33:11 <RST38h> moo all
Jan 04 12:33:13 <Venemo> the apt-worker thingy should be just deleted.
Jan 04 12:33:15 <alterego> Hey RST38h
Jan 04 12:33:16 <Venemo> moo RST38h
Jan 04 12:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> moo RST38h
Jan 04 12:34:02 <Venemo> how is the speed of HSDPA for you, guys?
Jan 04 12:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: wouldn't that create an extremely fast and also somewhat useless dysfunct HAM?
Jan 04 12:34:48 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: usually VROOOOOOOM
Jan 04 12:36:08 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: my carrier offers 7.2MB HSDPA and that's quite frequently really available
Jan 04 12:38:12 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer51: I meant, use plain apt-get instead of apt-worker (to avoid the 'dysfunct' part)
Jan 04 12:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> of course RTT is poor as always with packet switched services OTA
Jan 04 12:38:36 <Venemo> RTT=?
Jan 04 12:38:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~rtt
Jan 04 12:38:56 <DocScrutinizer> ~rtt is round trip time
Jan 04 12:38:56 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
Jan 04 12:39:20 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: by which you mean ping time and such things?
Jan 04 12:39:25 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jan 04 12:40:04 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: what I noticed is that DNS resolution takes slightly longer from 3G/HSDPA than a regular connection. and even slower on EDGE/GPRS
Jan 04 12:40:27 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: although once the DNS resolution is okay, the raw DL speed is quite good
Jan 04 12:40:56 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, that's summed up RTTs for the different connections
Jan 04 12:41:50 <Venemo> :)
Jan 04 12:42:17 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer: is the N900 capable of HSUPA too?
Jan 04 12:42:21 * Venemo is not sure
Jan 04 12:42:23 <DocScrutinizer> also the DNS you get via GPRS DHCP might be of poor speed
Jan 04 12:42:32 <DocScrutinizer> yep, it is
Jan 04 12:42:55 <Venemo> k, thx
Jan 04 12:43:18 <Venemo> then I'll just say HSPA to spare a letter of typing :P
Jan 04 12:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> http://shop.nokia.de/nokia-de/product.aspx?sku=6958534&cache=507205257&section_id=562&culture=de-DE -> >>HSPA, max. Datenübertragungsgeschwindigkeit 10 MBit/s (Herunterladen)/2 MBit/s (Hochladen)<<
Jan 04 12:45:24 <Venemo> Hochladen is upload and Herunterlagen is download, right?
Jan 04 12:45:28 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jan 04 12:45:32 <Venemo> k
Jan 04 12:48:07 <kerio> hsupa, yay
Jan 04 12:48:36 <Jaffa> Venemo: The latest version of cssu-enabler should fix the postinst issue.
Jan 04 12:49:05 <Jaffa> Venemo: To fix: comment out the line containing the word "libxec" in /var/lib/dpkg/info/community-ssu-enabler.postinst
Jan 04 12:50:25 <Venemo> thx Jaffa
Jan 04 12:54:09 <Venemo> Jaffa: pm'd you
Jan 04 13:30:44 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: was it you telling me to destroy my nolo before I send the device in for insurance testing?
Jan 04 13:30:59 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jan 04 13:31:23 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: guide me please as I know how I get it boot looping but not stop booting ;)
Jan 04 13:31:47 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: I'd like to have a state I can cold-flash only
Jan 04 13:31:48 <xDaReaperx> Got a new screen guard ... looks good but it's kind of dark. .. less transparent
Jan 04 13:31:54 <xDaReaperx> got it for 1 $ though
Jan 04 13:32:01 <DocScrutinizer> dd if=/dev/null of=/dev/mtdX
Jan 04 13:32:24 <DocScrutinizer> X == nolo's partition
Jan 04 13:32:25 <chem|st> xDaReaperx: I got no screen protector at all as $60 aren't much for replacement after a year or two...
Jan 04 13:32:42 <SpeedEvil> $60 + chances of borking it.
Jan 04 13:32:57 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: just a template so you figure yourself how to do it
Jan 04 13:33:02 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: On dissasembly, did you note any moisture tell-tales?
Jan 04 13:33:08 <xDaReaperx> well yeah mobiles are replacable
Jan 04 13:33:10 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jan 04 13:33:12 <xDaReaperx> but it's better to care :)
Jan 04 13:33:31 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: ? I had the device open several times now and it is easy if you follow guidance of electronic rules
Jan 04 13:34:09 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: fair enough - but others have managed to break it accidentally.
Jan 04 13:34:13 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: sure thing
Jan 04 13:34:31 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: pay a $15 extra and "have it replaced"
Jan 04 13:35:16 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - with my protectors - $5 for 10 - I notice no difference in feel or performance
Jan 04 13:36:01 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I tested 2 and came to the conclusion that I am better off without
Jan 04 13:36:18 <SpeedEvil> Fair enough.
Jan 04 13:36:22 <xDaReaperx> uhm
Jan 04 13:36:27 <SpeedEvil> I've completely destroyed two accidentally
Jan 04 13:36:34 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: but I see people scratching their devices in no time which I just don't do
Jan 04 13:36:36 <xDaReaperx> careless ?
Jan 04 13:36:53 <SpeedEvil> for example - putting seccateurs in the wrong pocket, and bending up and down a couple of hundred times
Jan 04 13:36:59 <xDaReaperx> lol
Jan 04 13:38:11 <chem|st> a friend put a package of gum in his pocket with his mobile and destroyed the display with the gum-package's Al-foil
Jan 04 13:38:31 <ieatlint> ouch
Jan 04 13:38:38 <chem|st> ieatlint: exactly
Jan 04 13:38:51 <ieatlint> yeah, gum would not be up on my list of concerns
Jan 04 13:38:53 <chem|st> looked like sandbrushed
Jan 04 13:39:01 <pupnik> the 770 had a protective metal case
Jan 04 13:39:22 <ieatlint> i'm using one of the zagg invisibleshield covers... works well for me
Jan 04 13:39:29 <xDaReaperx> the n900 is cheap plastic
Jan 04 13:39:33 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (moisture detect) well, on rethinking it and checking my photos, it seems I can't say I've seen any
Jan 04 13:39:38 <ieatlint> seems to reduce fingerprints showing up too
Jan 04 13:39:48 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: odd
Jan 04 13:39:51 <pupnik> ieatlint: is that matte / anti-glare?
Jan 04 13:40:16 <chem|st> I scratched one of those protectors in the process of putting it in place
Jan 04 13:40:22 <ieatlint> wouldn't call it antiglare.. does affect the screen appearance, but for some reason the fingerprints just seem less evident now
Jan 04 13:40:49 <pupnik> i have a 7" device that looks like a mirror and i'd like to see less reflections
Jan 04 13:41:09 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: please elaborate
Jan 04 13:41:19 <ieatlint> really makes the gorilla glass seem appealing... but incompatible with a resistive touchscreen
Jan 04 13:41:34 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: sorry - not tracking well this morning - elaborate on what
Jan 04 13:41:41 <chem|st> moisture
Jan 04 13:42:00 <ieatlint> pupnik: hah, just looked it up even... it advertises that it reduces appearance of fingerprints even.. http://www.zagg.com/invisibleshield/nokia-n900-cases-screen-protectors-covers-skins-shields.php
Jan 04 13:42:05 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: the iphone and many other mobiles have little bits that turn pink if exposed to moisture.
Jan 04 13:42:22 <ieatlint> but not sure it'd held with the gloss finish screen on your device
Jan 04 13:42:26 <SpeedEvil> chem|st: this is used for warranty service to say 'no, you got it wet'
Jan 04 13:42:41 <ieatlint> it's like those laptops with the glossy screens... how do people not terribly strain their eyes?
Jan 04 13:42:58 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: did not recognize any but I did not remove the heatsinks and metal covers
Jan 04 13:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: I did
Jan 04 13:43:33 <chem|st> SpeedEvil: I had that coke-whearbeer mix ;)
Jan 04 13:43:47 <DocScrutinizer> you find the hires scans on people.om.org/joerg/n9000
Jan 04 13:45:09 <DocScrutinizer> whearbeer sounds scary
Jan 04 13:45:12 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Jan 04 13:45:17 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: wheatbeer ;)
Jan 04 13:45:33 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: 404
Jan 04 13:45:34 <ieatlint> coke+wheatbeer still sounds scary to me
Jan 04 13:45:42 <kerio> no, wait, host unreachable
Jan 04 13:45:43 <chem|st> ieatlint: smells like hell
Jan 04 13:45:52 <chem|st> kerio: 4 me 2
Jan 04 13:46:30 <ieatlint> http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ :P
Jan 04 13:46:34 <ieatlint> not hard to figure out
Jan 04 13:48:39 <chem|st> ieatlint: the device looks like having heat-conducting liquid all over the place
Jan 04 13:50:55 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: still have no clue where the moisture detecting bits might be
Jan 04 13:51:11 <DocScrutinizer51> there are none
Jan 04 13:51:13 <SpeedEvil> It's not impossible there may be none
Jan 04 13:53:00 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: ah with "I did" you meant you did remove the covers... now I get it
Jan 04 14:11:23 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Jan 04 14:11:26 <nidO> my device is being wierd :\
Jan 04 14:11:42 <nidO> it's suddenly decided to have a 2-3x better battery life than it ever has before
Jan 04 14:19:31 <pupnik> ieatlint: that looks like a lucrative business, selling pieces of plastic for 30 dollars...
Jan 04 14:24:11 <crashanddie> pupnik, you should try casinos, they sell ceramic chips for hundreds and thousands of dollars
Jan 04 14:24:12 <toggles_> fyi i use one, works well, no other case, phone has lived in my pocket for over a year, no scratches etc though the back is starting to peel off and i lost the sides a few months back
Jan 04 14:25:11 <pupnik> crashanddie: or i could print pieces of paper and exchange them for food and goods
Jan 04 14:25:38 <RST38h> Is Rockbox worth installing?
Jan 04 14:26:04 <pupnik> for the ancient archos mp3 players?
Jan 04 14:26:25 <RST38h> Ok, gotit.
Jan 04 14:30:38 <satmd> can I use my n900 as a bluetooth handset?
Jan 04 14:32:29 <ieatlint> pupnik: your clearly in the wrong business :P
Jan 04 14:33:18 <crashanddie> you're
Jan 04 14:33:50 <pupnik> indeed
Jan 04 14:33:58 <ieatlint> :(
Jan 04 14:34:07 <ieatlint> i'm normally better than that
Jan 04 14:34:44 <pupnik> the funny thing is the people printing the paper 'outlawed' anyone else printing similar pieces of paper
Jan 04 14:34:57 <pupnik> and people act like that's normal
Jan 04 14:35:02 <pupnik> but i'm way OT sorry
Jan 04 14:35:59 <ieatlint> are you talking about money and criticising that it's illegal to counterfeit it?
Jan 04 14:36:13 <BCMM> pupnik: you mean money, right? it seems perfectly normal to not be permitted to copy a currency, because that would essentially be impersonating somebody
Jan 04 14:36:59 <BCMM> you can make your own currency, but you can't make money that claims to be guaranteed by somebody else (the government) without asking that somebody else first
Jan 04 14:38:43 <pupnik> no problem as long as nobody forces me to use their pieces of paper
Jan 04 14:39:32 <ieatlint> have fun trying to barter at your local shops :)
Jan 04 14:40:12 <ieatlint> a political candidate over here famously suggested that you try to pay your doctor with a chicken recently, actually
Jan 04 14:41:05 <pupnik> ##economics
Jan 04 15:00:07 <t_s_o> how would one go about compiling a more recent microb-engine for maemo4?
Jan 04 15:14:46 <crashanddie> t_s_o, ask timeless_mbp
Jan 04 15:25:00 <crashanddie> lol... The WWF file format is a joke...
Jan 04 15:25:47 <crashanddie> supposedly, it's a file you can't print
Jan 04 15:25:55 <crashanddie> but really, it's just a password protected PDF file
Jan 04 15:26:11 <crashanddie> so rename it, unlock it (using the myriad of online tools), and print it.
Jan 04 15:26:12 <crashanddie> Idiots.
Jan 04 15:29:17 <RST38h> crashanddie:Sounds nice
Jan 04 15:29:59 * RST38h guesses the "format" has been invented by someone majoring in humanities
Jan 04 15:33:02 <t_s_o> do not forget the extra page it adds to the end of every document...
Jan 04 15:37:59 <VladNistor> i can't seem to find stuff from the ovi store in the app manager. When i try using the "Store" app it says to go to the app manager and update
Jan 04 15:38:13 <VladNistor> anyone know how I can install stuff from the ovi store?
Jan 04 15:39:27 <nidO> remove hide user agent
Jan 04 15:39:35 <nidO> or at least reset to the default user agent
Jan 04 15:41:20 <VladNistor> thanks, i'll try that :)
Jan 04 15:58:21 <VladNistor> thank you, ovi store works now!
Jan 04 15:58:41 <Ex-Opesa> Which is best media player fo rn900 for playlists? I need something good for playlists.
Jan 04 15:59:18 <Appiah> what do you mean?
Jan 04 16:00:21 <Ex-Opesa> I need some player where I can make playlists for my music. ^^
Jan 04 16:01:44 <oscillik> Apple iPod touch :p
Jan 04 16:02:46 <Ex-Opesa> Thanks oscillik, you are very helpful.
Jan 04 16:03:06 <Appiah> never thought of using something else to create a playlist
Jan 04 16:03:07 <Appiah> hmm
Jan 04 16:04:41 <oscillik> Ex-Opesa: sorry, i'm just bitter that Nokia dropped us all
Jan 04 16:05:13 <Appiah> guess If i'm not using the n900 itself I would use whatever musicplayer I use on my PC
Jan 04 16:05:59 <Ex-Opesa> I am talking about n900.
Jan 04 16:06:28 <Ex-Opesa> The default player is not so good with playlists
Jan 04 16:06:44 <penguinbait> join the club
Jan 04 16:07:47 <Ex-Opesa> oscillik: No problem.
Jan 04 16:11:03 <crashanddie> Ex-Opesa, there's an open source implementation of the media player in the works
Jan 04 16:11:20 <crashanddie> Ex-Opesa, we're bouncing a few ideas around as to how to manage the playlists properly
Jan 04 16:11:55 <crashanddie> one idea was to have a Qt-based (on computer) editor, onto which you'd drag songs and create playlists, the tool would then synchronise songs and playlists to the N900
Jan 04 16:12:00 <crashanddie> not unlike iTunes, I guess.
Jan 04 16:12:38 <crashanddie> but basically, as soon as the media player has decent support of different playlists, any tool to create playlists will do -- it just needs to be MAFW enabled
Jan 04 16:12:57 <crashanddie> we'll probably release a helper tool on the N900, and basic features included in the media player, but not for version 1
Jan 04 16:13:30 <Ex-Opesa> Okay, glad to know developers are working on it.
Jan 04 16:13:44 <crashanddie> first version is due mid to end january
Jan 04 16:13:51 <crashanddie> (in devel, so not primetime ready)
Jan 04 16:14:55 <crashanddie> once it's launched, we'll set up some discussion channels (tmo, prolly bmo as well) to enable user feedback and better the product
Jan 04 16:15:14 <crashanddie> it won't be to everyone's liking, but hopefully a lot better than the current media player (which really, isn't saying that much)
Jan 04 16:16:31 <Ex-Opesa> Yeah.
Jan 04 16:16:41 <Ex-Opesa> Pretty cool . :)
Jan 04 16:38:49 <alterego> Nice front page slot in mwkn for mohammedia player :)
Jan 04 16:39:16 * MohammadAG grins :P
Jan 04 16:39:24 <alterego> :)
Jan 04 16:39:30 * alterego trade marks :P
Jan 04 16:39:37 <alterego> You owe me royalties now, muahahahah
Jan 04 16:40:13 <MohammadAG> You owe muslims, you're using the name Mohammed :P
Jan 04 16:40:27 <alterego> pfft
Jan 04 16:40:48 <alterego> They'd be proud of the publicity I'm sure I can get a waver.
Jan 04 16:42:24 <MohammadAG> Mohammedia™ Player® 10.1
Jan 04 16:42:31 <MohammadAG> doesn't look bad
Jan 04 16:42:35 <alterego> Hah,  my name is in the news!
Jan 04 16:42:58 <MohammadAG> he should've added a link to your facebook
Jan 04 16:43:06 <alterego> pfft :P
Jan 04 16:46:09 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, back on track? we need to fill those placeholders I added yesterday :P
Jan 04 16:46:56 <MohammadAG> alterego, does a QWidget have a showEvent() or something? I need to emit a signal every time it's shown
Jan 04 16:47:54 <RST38h> Mohammad: No, no, not 10.x
Jan 04 16:48:10 <RST38h> Mohammad: Not unless you want to be molested by a legion of lemmings
Jan 04 16:48:18 <MohammadAG> 9.4
Jan 04 16:48:40 <RST38h> "MohammadAG's fake flashplayer sucks!" (tm)
Jan 04 16:49:06 <RST38h> "Does not play any flash, cannot play cow-throw online with it!"
Jan 04 16:49:26 <MohammadAG> what about farmville? :P
Jan 04 16:49:36 <RST38h> same. sucks.
Jan 04 16:49:45 <MohammadAG> or *looks at new trending game* cityville
Jan 04 16:49:57 <MohammadAG> god I hate those *ville-s
Jan 04 16:50:34 * RST38h is blissfully unaware of this stuff. Could be happening in alternative universe for all I know
Jan 04 16:51:17 <crashanddie> RST38h, it is
Jan 04 16:51:29 <MohammadAG> RST38h, alterego's addicted to them
Jan 04 16:51:51 <MohammadAG> he harvests his virtual farm while compiling columbus
Jan 04 16:51:53 <alterego> MohammadAG: inherit QWidget and reimplement paintEvent
Jan 04 16:51:55 <RST38h> poor guy, let us send him drugs.
Jan 04 16:51:59 <alterego> :P
Jan 04 16:52:01 <alterego> Yes please!
Jan 04 16:52:13 <MohammadAG> cocaine?
Jan 04 16:52:22 <MohammadAG> crap, logged channel :P
Jan 04 16:52:24 <alterego> Anything, I don't care :P
Jan 04 16:52:30 <alterego> heh
Jan 04 16:52:40 <alterego> Just pretend you aren't serious
Jan 04 16:52:43 * MohammadAG sends cough medicine
Jan 04 16:52:44 <alterego> 8)
Jan 04 16:52:55 <alterego> Probably still illegal :P
Jan 04 16:52:59 <MohammadAG> to alterego's address, as obtained from facebook
Jan 04 16:53:02 <RST38h> novocaine enema!
Jan 04 16:53:06 <MohammadAG> blame facebook
Jan 04 16:53:13 <alterego> Especially if it has cocaine in it.
Jan 04 16:53:15 * RST38h hides, just in case
Jan 04 16:53:37 <RST38h> Mohammad: He has got a facebook account? OMG, he is totally web2.0
Jan 04 16:54:04 <alterego> I'm web3.0 actually.
Jan 04 16:54:10 * RST38h idly wonders if he has to stick with expression graph or do an expression tree instead
Jan 04 16:56:35 <crashanddie> alterego, do you read old books?
Jan 04 16:58:10 <alterego> I have been known to read on occasion :)
Jan 04 16:58:12 <alterego> Why?
Jan 04 17:01:07 <MohammadAG> alterego, books == old wall posts in web3.0
Jan 04 17:01:19 <MohammadAG> you're still a 2.0, ha
Jan 04 17:01:45 <alterego> bbiam
Jan 04 17:01:58 <MohammadAG> hah
Jan 04 17:03:03 <crashanddie> alterego, HIGH ON LITERATURE: The fungi that feed on old paper may be mildly hallucinogenic, and may cause an "enhancement of enlightenment" in readers, says a report in the British medical journal The Lancet. The source of inspiration for many great literary figures may have been nothing more than a quick sniff of moldy books, the report says.
Jan 04 17:03:30 <crashanddie> SABOB
Jan 04 17:03:35 <crashanddie> Snort a bit o' book?
Jan 04 17:04:12 <crashanddie> anyway, off work
Jan 04 17:04:14 <crashanddie> 'later all
Jan 04 17:04:29 <MohammadAG> heh, cya
Jan 04 17:23:29 <timeless_mbp> t_s_o: ?
Jan 04 17:23:39 <timeless_mbp> oh, um..
Jan 04 17:23:45 <timeless_mbp> in theory it isn't complicated
Jan 04 17:23:49 * timeless_mbp shrugs
Jan 04 17:24:03 <t_s_o> heh, in theory nothing is complicated...
Jan 04 17:24:03 <timeless_mbp> grab microb-engine sources and merge in mozilla-central
Jan 04 17:25:04 <timeless_mbp> it's possible there won't be any interesting merge conflicts
Jan 04 17:25:25 <t_s_o> heh, likely...
Jan 04 17:25:57 <t_s_o> i am guessing one would do best to stick to the 3.x series? perhaps even 3.0?
Jan 04 17:26:52 <timeless_mbp> ?
Jan 04 17:27:03 <t_s_o> meh, never mind
Jan 04 17:27:38 <timeless_mbp> sorry, i just can't figure out which system uses a 3.x numbering scheme
Jan 04 17:27:40 <t_s_o> i wonder tho, why was no such update a part of the community ssu? is there something with the microb-ui that blocks?
Jan 04 17:27:45 <t_s_o> firefox
Jan 04 17:28:10 <timeless_mbp> do me a favor and don't use firefox numbering
Jan 04 17:28:15 <timeless_mbp> i only deal in gecko numbering
Jan 04 17:28:39 <t_s_o> ok
Jan 04 17:31:08 <t_s_o> ah, i may have been looking at the wrong target. Getting xulrunner updated to 1.9.2 proper (rather then alpha) may be what i am after
Jan 04 17:32:00 <t_s_o> or maybe i got the two hopelessly confused, never mind...
Jan 04 17:33:13 <t_s_o> bah, this is way out of my league :S
Jan 04 17:34:20 <t_s_o> i should really just retire the N800 to a drawer and go look for a new device
Jan 04 17:38:16 <timeless_mbp> t_s_o: so..
Jan 04 17:38:36 <timeless_mbp> moving xulrunner to a newer version shouldn't be too painful
Jan 04 17:38:55 <timeless_mbp> it's probably best to move it up one 1.9.<n> at a time though
Jan 04 17:39:06 <timeless_mbp> if you hit a build failure, poke me
Jan 04 17:47:11 <hardaker> So is there any way to remove a package from testing?
Jan 04 17:47:17 <hardaker> I can't find a way to do it?
Jan 04 17:49:25 <eichi> what is the best routing software on n900 at the moment?
Jan 04 18:05:08 <timeless_mbp> hardaker: generally packages don't get removed from repositories
Jan 04 18:05:15 <timeless_mbp> you can file a bug to ask for them to be removed
Jan 04 18:05:22 <timeless_mbp> (X-Fade or someone would deal w/ it)
Jan 04 18:05:28 <hardaker> ah, thanks.
Jan 04 18:05:43 <hardaker> I'd think that downgrading previous packages would be possible.
Jan 04 18:05:48 <hardaker> ie, when something got like -5 karma
Jan 04 18:06:00 <hardaker> (in tihs case, it's a rename and i wanted the older one to go away)
Jan 04 18:06:13 <hardaker> (the obvious hack being republishing under the old name requiring the new)
Jan 04 18:06:22 <timeless_mbp> if you want to put a package back to an older version
Jan 04 18:06:31 <timeless_mbp> then in debian terms you do something stupid like:
Jan 04 18:06:38 <hardaker> I want to remove foo-0.2 because bar-0.3 exists
Jan 04 18:06:42 <timeless_mbp> package-1.2-maemo2-really-1.0
Jan 04 18:06:56 <hardaker> ie, a rename of a software component.
Jan 04 18:07:16 <timeless_mbp> so, afaiu, ham is not very good at getting packages to be removed
Jan 04 18:07:20 <timeless_mbp> what i think you do is create:
Jan 04 18:07:31 <timeless_mbp> foo-0.3 which is empty and depends on bar >=0.3
Jan 04 18:07:41 <hardaker> yep.  that's what I was thinking would be the "hack"
Jan 04 18:07:48 <timeless_mbp> it isn't really a hack
Jan 04 18:07:54 <timeless_mbp> it's more of an unfortunate feature
Jan 04 18:07:57 <hardaker> heh.
Jan 04 18:08:04 <hardaker> hack == unfortunate feature
Jan 04 18:08:06 <hardaker> I like it.
Jan 04 18:08:48 <Ex-Opesa> Is there any way to use java stuff in maemo?
Jan 04 18:08:58 <timeless_mbp> Ex-Opesa: yes
Jan 04 18:09:11 <Ex-Opesa> timeless_mbp: Wow that is nice.
Jan 04 18:09:23 <timeless_mbp> Ex-Opesa: um, i didn't say that :)
Jan 04 18:09:31 <timeless_mbp> just "there is a way"
Jan 04 18:12:07 <Ex-Opesa> I need to run java 6 application on maemo, the application is related to anonymity.
Jan 04 18:12:23 <Ex-Opesa> You mean there is just a way but its not very much supported?
Jan 04 18:12:48 <timeless_mbp> http://maemo.org/community/maemo-developers/jalimo_and_java_6/
Jan 04 18:13:05 <timeless_mbp> java is not really something that was a primary focus for maemo
Jan 04 18:13:20 <Ex-Opesa> I see. Let me open that. Thank you.
Jan 04 18:13:23 <timeless_mbp> there is/was a project to provide support for some flavor / version of java
Jan 04 18:13:31 <timeless_mbp> java6 from my perspective is rather 'modern'
Jan 04 18:15:17 <Ex-Opesa> Yeah. Too bad. I wanted to run "your-freedom" application on n900. I wonder if they even support smart phones. ^^
Jan 04 18:16:37 <timeless_mbp> http://www.torproject.org/docs/N900.html.en ?
Jan 04 18:17:55 <jhb> timeless_mbp, Ex-Opesa: I have no idea about java, but isn't there icedtea6?
Jan 04 18:18:17 <timeless_mbp> http://www.maemonokian900.com/nokia-n900-downlaods/icedtea6/
Jan 04 18:18:18 * timeless_mbp shrugs
Jan 04 18:18:24 <timeless_mbp> great spelling of download ...
Jan 04 18:18:35 <SpeedEvil> timeless_mbp: It's localised.
Jan 04 18:18:40 <jhb> e.g. I installed it, and some j2me version, and had some j2me app running...
Jan 04 18:18:52 <timeless_mbp> en-FI-cannotspell ?
Jan 04 18:20:29 <Ex-Opesa> timeless_mbp: I already use HSS and TOR, thanks about that.
Jan 04 18:22:16 <Ex-Opesa> jhb, Let me look into icedtea6.
Jan 04 18:22:28 <MohammadAG> whoever designed the N8's email app needs to be shot twice
Jan 04 18:22:34 <MohammadAG> can I get modest on it? :P
Jan 04 18:23:00 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: serves you right for even thinking the n8 would be better than the n900 :)
Jan 04 18:23:11 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, it's not mine :P
Jan 04 18:23:13 <jhb> Ex-Opesa: http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/icedtea6/
Jan 04 18:23:20 <timeless_mbp> MohammadAG: irrelevant ;-b
Jan 04 18:23:35 <MohammadAG> I've tried everything
Jan 04 18:23:44 * timeless_mbp wonders what locale jhb uses
Jan 04 18:23:58 <jhb> Ex-Opesa: and http://code.google.com/p/microemu/
Jan 04 18:24:00 <MohammadAG> accepted Nokia Messaging's license, declined it, set up mail for exchange, set it up manually with POP3 (ew)
Jan 04 18:24:11 <MohammadAG> gmail works, but the email I'm setting up is hotmail
Jan 04 18:24:31 * timeless_mbp installed ~50 apps today
Jan 04 18:24:46 <jhb> timeless_mbp: en-De?
Jan 04 18:24:54 <timeless_mbp> jhb: device language?
Jan 04 18:25:21 <Ex-Opesa> jhb, thanks. Lets see.
Jan 04 18:25:28 <jhb> timeless_mbp: de_DE
Jan 04 18:25:38 <Ex-Opesa> What about locale?
Jan 04 18:25:53 <timeless_mbp> jhb: oh well
Jan 04 18:26:04 <Ex-Opesa> Knowing others locale is some thing beneficial? O_o
Jan 04 18:26:16 <jhb> timeless_mbp: I have the feeling I can't follow...
Jan 04 18:26:25 <timeless_mbp> correct
Jan 04 18:26:46 <MohammadAG> the networking stack on symbian's retarded
Jan 04 18:26:58 <MohammadAG> it has a WLAN connection active, and it opened another 3G connection
Jan 04 18:27:17 <MohammadAG> oh goody, another 3G connection on top
Jan 04 18:27:34 <MohammadAG> so 1 WLAN, and 2 3G connections, with a "Unable to sign in" error
Jan 04 18:28:25 <timeless_mbp> symbian is special :)
Jan 04 18:29:04 <Ex-Opesa> jhb, Wow, Icedtea6 requires 116 mb space. ^^
Jan 04 18:31:17 <Tamyrlin> timeless_mbp: Getting away from symbian was my main reason for buying a N900 :)
Jan 04 18:32:17 <jhb> Ex-Opesa: the settlers game needs some 450 mb, if I remember correctly..
Jan 04 18:33:19 <Tamyrlin> Although it would be quite interesting with a symbian compatibility layer for the N900 (think Wine, but for symbian instead)
Jan 04 18:35:51 <Tamyrlin> Or android or iphone compatibility layer for that matter. (The later if you'd like to see Apple blacken the skies with lawyers deployed with parachutes)
Jan 04 18:37:34 <johnx> Tamyrlin, I know someone started work on getting android apps working on more normal X11-based distros, but apparently it's not a small undertaking
Jan 04 18:37:50 <Ex-Opesa> jhb, Yeah..
Jan 04 18:37:59 <johnx> as for iPhone compat, I think someone did something kinda libwine-style
Jan 04 18:38:19 <johnx> the idea being that it makes iPhone apps easier to port because the core logic doesn't need to be rewritten, just the UI
Jan 04 18:38:35 <Tamyrlin> Yeah, I think ubuntu has some sort of project for android on general purpose Linux. (I saw it linked from the maemo wiki if I remember correctly)
Jan 04 18:39:06 <johnx> yeah. the next post on that blog was basically "I don't think this can really go anywhere" though
Jan 04 18:39:13 <Tamyrlin> Oh, too bad
Jan 04 18:40:50 <Tamyrlin> Well, personally I'm hoping for meego to get so big that android/iphone becomes niche players, but I'm not going to bet any big amounts of money on that :)
Jan 04 18:41:49 <johnx> honestly, even if it just ends up with twice or three times the marketshare as maemo 5, we'll be in pretty good shape I think
Jan 04 18:42:50 <johnx> and I have to admit, I'm not to excited about wine-like projects ...
Jan 04 18:43:25 <Tamyrlin> I'd much prefer native applications as well
Jan 04 18:44:19 <johnx> something like libwine is pretty cool though
Jan 04 18:44:43 <johnx> (the distinction being that libwine is for making ports easy, whereas wine attempts to run binaries compiled for other systems)
Jan 04 18:47:35 <Tamyrlin> Speaking of applications, does anyone know if it would be theoretically possible to create a 3GPP video call application on the N900 without having updated firmware for the baseband modem/etc?
Jan 04 18:48:51 <Tamyrlin> If I run tcpdump on phonet0 I can at least see some activity when someone is trying to call me with a video phone so I'm guessing that it is at least possible to create an application which tells me that someone unsuccessfully tried to call me over video
Jan 04 18:49:10 <blueillusion> hey guys. im trying to setup nokia messaging on my n900. I've went through the setup instructions through the email program (added a nokia messaging account), but my emails are never pushed
Jan 04 18:49:47 <blueillusion> futher more, once i finish adding my account, i cant even log into email.nokia.com the website says I don't have an account there
Jan 04 19:14:49 <Tsuyo> Hello guys, does someone got mono running under the N900? The Repo here: http://go-mono.com/maemo/install/mono.install is wrong. I get a 404 Error.
Jan 04 19:15:02 <jacekowski> that repo was for n8x0
Jan 04 19:15:09 <Tsuyo> : <
Jan 04 19:15:18 <Tsuyo> So, is there any N900 port out?
Jan 04 19:15:23 <jacekowski> nope
Jan 04 19:15:29 <jacekowski> not when i last checked
Jan 04 19:15:42 <Tsuyo> : /
Jan 04 19:15:48 <Tsuyo> Allright, Thanks (:
Jan 04 19:28:50 <MohammadAG> timeless_mbp, do you know what rate the now playing indicator is updated @?
Jan 04 19:29:28 <timeless_mbp> on phone
Jan 04 19:30:44 <johnsq> Hi
Jan 04 19:32:28 <alterego> MohammadAG: I'd go with 250-400ms
Jan 04 19:33:09 <alterego> MohammadAG: look at columbus though for an example on how to detect context switches and display off events to pause UI updates ;)
Jan 04 19:33:38 <alterego> The code should be in columbus/src/MainWindow.{h,cpp}
Jan 04 19:33:45 <MohammadAG> alterego, using a QTimer as you suggested, it's not that intensive
Jan 04 19:33:47 <MohammadAG> however
Jan 04 19:34:14 <alterego> MohammadAG: I know, it's just good practise and it would be cool to have that code in there for later, maybe adding visualisations etc.
Jan 04 19:34:16 <MohammadAG> alterego, check the stock player, while scrolling, the indicator is hidden, your animation would look good there right?
Jan 04 19:34:36 <alterego> MohammadAG: yeah probably, though I think it should always be visible personally.
Jan 04 19:34:43 <alterego> Use neat animations in the video player ;)
Jan 04 19:34:51 <MohammadAG> even when scrolling?
Jan 04 19:34:56 <alterego> Anyhow, I gotta spend some time with the lady. See you later.
Jan 04 19:35:05 <alterego> MohammadAG: yeah, it's more continuous.
Jan 04 19:35:11 <MohammadAG> heh, k, o/
Jan 04 19:35:16 <alterego> ciao.
Jan 04 20:04:31 <timeless_n900> mohammadag: i don't, what's the concern?
Jan 04 20:04:34 <jhb> Has anyone the installer for the ovi maps firefox plugin around?
Jan 04 20:05:02 <RST38h> ...discovery of a bug in the PHP programming language that causes computers to freeze when they process certain numerical values with large numbers of decimal places...
Jan 04 20:05:08 <timeless_n900> jhb: eh?
Jan 04 20:05:12 <MohammadAG> timeless_n900, I'm adding the now playing indicator
Jan 04 20:05:21 * RST38h wonders how PHP manages that
Jan 04 20:05:27 <timeless_n900> right. ..
Jan 04 20:05:44 <timeless_n900> "indicator" ?
Jan 04 20:05:55 <MohammadAG> the bottom right widget
Jan 04 20:06:00 <timeless_n900> i hope you don't mean the stupid animation
Jan 04 20:06:01 <jhb> timeless_n900: there was a plugin installable at maps.ovi.com, but now it isn't anymore. And I'd like to the get installer for that plugin
Jan 04 20:06:17 <MohammadAG> timeless_n900, yes, the stupid animations
Jan 04 20:06:22 <timeless_n900> jhb: for desktop?
Jan 04 20:06:31 <MohammadAG> this http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/icons/scalable/mediaplayer_nowplaying_indicator_pause.png
Jan 04 20:06:58 <jhb> timeless_n900: indeed. Supposedly with that one is able to use the files from n900:/usr/share/nokia-maps on the desktop
Jan 04 20:07:26 * timeless_n900 ponders
Jan 04 20:07:28 <jhb> timeless_n900: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66985
Jan 04 20:07:36 <timeless_n900> sounds correct
Jan 04 20:07:44 <timeless_n900> it was a single gecko plugin
Jan 04 20:07:58 <timeless_n900> for both maemo and windows
Jan 04 20:08:40 <timeless_n900> hi avs
Jan 04 20:09:40 * timeless_n900 visits beta labs
Jan 04 20:10:13 * timeless_n900 kicks beta labs
Jan 04 20:10:23 <jhb> hehe
Jan 04 20:10:51 <timeless_n900> there's a second one just like this
Jan 04 20:11:14 <timeless_n900> a standard feature? no support for downloading things after they "graduate"
Jan 04 20:11:31 <jhb> yeah, its really bad
Jan 04 20:11:36 <jhb> mmmh, maybe the archive?
Jan 04 20:11:51 <timeless_n900> s/its/it's/
Jan 04 20:13:01 <timeless_n900> http://www.nokiasymbianthemes.com/free-mobile-applications/ovi-maps-3-features-downloads-and-plugins
Jan 04 20:13:09 <timeless_n900> has a "modified" plugin
Jan 04 20:13:17 <timeless_n900> it seems to have a working link
Jan 04 20:13:27 <timeless_n900> but i don't think it'll work on my n900. ..
Jan 04 20:13:43 * jhb checks
Jan 04 20:15:40 <E0x> ovi map is a weird app
Jan 04 20:15:46 <jhb> timeless_n900: that looks rather promising
Jan 04 20:16:05 * jhb would love to somehow get voice navigation into the ovi maps on n900....
Jan 04 20:16:06 <E0x> because now in my n900 i can see ( i mean after 1.3 update ) the street name of my country
Jan 04 20:16:13 <E0x> but if you go to the web version
Jan 04 20:16:17 <E0x> you can't get that info
Jan 04 20:18:30 <timeless_n900> odd
Jan 04 20:18:31 <jhb> E0x: strange
Jan 04 20:18:59 <MohammadAG> effing hildon
Jan 04 20:19:16 <timeless_n900> ?
Jan 04 20:24:47 * jhb needs to reboot into windows
Jan 04 20:27:54 <timeless_n900> jhb: don't forget to save the archive and scan the binaries :)
Jan 04 20:28:23 <jhb> timeless_n900: ah, if everything crashes I just blame you :-P
Jan 04 20:31:08 <timeless_n900> sp3000: hey, can i use strace to log ham? :)
Jan 04 20:31:30 * timeless_n900 wants to watch a package's update process 
Jan 04 20:31:48 * timeless_n900 doesn't want to spend time making dummy packages
Jan 04 20:31:51 <MohammadAG> timeless_n900, mind checking your /query?
Jan 04 20:32:33 <jhb|mobile> ha, i forgot that i now have this nifty little device for the internets
Jan 04 20:32:56 <timeless_n900> heh
Jan 04 20:36:59 <timeless_n900> mohammadag, i generally will eventually notice /query :)
Jan 04 20:56:43 <jhb|mobile> timeless_n900: doesn't seem to work with that plugin...
Jan 04 20:59:49 <epp> where can i get the patched drivber for injectioon?
Jan 04 21:05:40 <crashanddie_> google
Jan 04 21:07:25 <crashanddie_> also, learn to type
Jan 04 21:26:57 <jhb|mobile> phone crashed...
Jan 04 21:32:33 <hardaker> jhb|mobile: you should get an n900.  They don't crash.  :-P
Jan 04 21:34:25 <jhb|mobile> stupid me ;)
Jan 04 21:44:33 <jhb|mobile> found an xpi for ovi maps, still hangs though....
Jan 04 22:01:06 <mr_cecil> does anyone know if there is a mirror of harbaum's repo at download.obs.maemo.org?
Jan 04 22:16:01 <flat`> a
Jan 04 22:21:41 <jhb|mobile> ha, finally see the ovi maps on my win - had to disable a line of code, but at least some progress!
Jan 04 22:33:54 <NIN101> is the standard SMS application open source?
Jan 04 22:33:56 <Arkenoi> btw is it possible to run applications like conversations on remote X server, windowed?
Jan 04 23:06:22 <NIN101> Is this channel, as maemo.org, also owned by nokia?
Jan 04 23:07:08 <jhb|mobile> i don't think one can own a freenode channel
Jan 04 23:07:53 <NIN101> I mean: is nokia the founder of this channel? I mean +q etc.
Jan 04 23:08:52 <SpeedEvil> jhb: yes, you can
Jan 04 23:10:24 <MohammadAG> +q is quiet on this server
Jan 04 23:10:49 <MohammadAG> it's running ircd-seven, not UnrealIRCd
Jan 04 23:11:21 <NIN101> haha, ok.
Jan 04 23:12:17 <MohammadAG> X-Fade "owns" the channel
Jan 04 23:12:39 <jhb> SpeedEvil: I know what you mean, but you can't own as in 'sell my property', afaik
Jan 04 23:13:21 <pupnik_> Arkenoi: x is designed to be networkable, but compositors break that sometimes
Jan 04 23:20:41 <Arkenoi> pupnik_, what is the command line to run conversations?
Jan 04 23:23:57 <pupnik_> i don't even know what ur talkinbout
Jan 04 23:25:22 <HtheB> o/
Jan 04 23:27:19 <HtheB> anyone alive? :D
Jan 04 23:32:45 <NIN101> Is there any public svn/git whatever of the standard kernel out there?
Jan 04 23:33:28 <HtheB> stock?
Jan 04 23:43:29 <MohammadAG> NIN101, it's in the repos, no svn/git
Jan 04 23:44:13 <MohammadAG> Arkenoi, dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr /com/nokia/HildonDesktop/AppMgr com.nokia.HildonDesktop.AppMgr.LaunchApplication string:"$appname"
Jan 04 23:44:24 <MohammadAG> for conversations, appname would be rtcom-messaging-ui
Jan 04 23:46:00 <NIN101> Yeah i know it is in the repo. But, as there is no public version control stuff, I can assume that it is developed behind the scenes? Not that this is a big problem, I am just curious.
Jan 04 23:46:07 <Arkenoi> MohammadAG, it won't inherit DISPLAY this way
Jan 04 23:46:42 <MohammadAG> don't know of any other way, rtcom-messaging-ui drools and the .launch file segfaults
Jan 04 23:47:04 <HtheB> MohammadAG: can you help me?
Jan 04 23:47:48 <MohammadAG> with?
Jan 04 23:48:08 <HtheB> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=911810
Jan 04 23:48:09 <HtheB> with that
Jan 04 23:48:10 <HtheB> :(
Jan 04 23:49:29 <pupnik_> before i had a computer, this was my favorite piece of gear in the whole world http://img225.imageshack.us/img225/8154/kd85aa6.jpg
Jan 04 23:50:07 <MohammadAG> HtheB, only advice I could give is stop bluetoothd; start bluetoothd; that solves all BT problems I encounter
Jan 04 23:51:04 <HtheB> stop: job not changed : bluetoothd
Jan 04 23:51:19 <wmarone> are you root?
Jan 04 23:51:21 <HtheB> yup
Jan 04 23:52:13 <HtheB> when I do start again
Jan 04 23:52:16 <HtheB> it will show the output
Jan 04 23:52:19 <HtheB> but at the end:
Jan 04 23:52:28 <HtheB> start: bluetoothd respawning too fast, stopped
Jan 04 23:54:35 <MohammadAG> then wait
Jan 05 00:00:44 <HtheB> MohammadAG: I wait for over a week now :D
Jan 05 00:02:01 <crashanddie_> HtheB: that usually means it crashes
Jan 05 00:02:19 <HtheB> there should be a way to fix it? ...
Jan 05 00:02:29 <HtheB> I deleted a device from the paired list
Jan 05 00:02:35 <HtheB> and... then bluetooth died :(
Jan 05 00:06:17 <HtheB> does anyone know if an European N900 work in the USA?
Jan 05 00:06:25 <HtheB> (eg Country: Chile)
Jan 05 00:06:26 <NIN101> Is sms-manager also closed source? I can't find it anywhere.
Jan 05 00:07:23 <NIN101> For example, isn't here http://repository.maemo.org/pool/fremantle/free/s/ but also not listed there http://wiki.maemo.org/Open_development/Why_the_closed_packages
Jan 05 00:08:02 <MohammadAG> all N900s are the same
Jan 05 00:08:22 <MohammadAG> NIN101, yes, it's closed
Jan 05 00:08:34 <HtheB> MohammadAG: Thanks :)
Jan 05 00:08:35 <NIN101> thx
Jan 05 00:09:41 <hardaker> I hate it when package builds "fail" but without errors.
Jan 05 00:10:36 <HtheB> MohammadAG: is there any way to reset the bluetooth "profiles"
Jan 05 00:11:00 <HtheB> I can still see from sdptools the bluetooth profiles
Jan 05 00:11:09 <HtheB> but... on the "default" bluetooth gui, there is NOTHING
Jan 05 00:11:12 <HtheB> and no name...
Jan 05 00:11:18 <HtheB> I can't even assign a name at all :D
Jan 05 00:11:45 <HtheB> when I type a name, and turn BT on, and touch on Done... it doesn't do anything at all
Jan 05 00:11:46 <HtheB> :D
Jan 05 00:11:55 <MohammadAG> nice error handling
Jan 05 00:28:56 <pupnik> palm / webos is quite nice
Jan 05 00:52:38 <NIN101> Am I understanding this correct? sms-manager isn't really needed for SMS, it is done with Telepathy?
Jan 05 00:53:16 <andre__> what is sms-manager?
Jan 05 00:53:48 <MohammadAG> NIN101, we're planning a rewrite after we're done with the mediaplayer
Jan 05 00:53:58 <MohammadAG> andre__, conversations - I assume
Jan 05 00:54:01 <andre__> ah, default packages I've never heard of...
Jan 05 00:54:15 <NIN101> a rewrite of what MohammadAG ?
Jan 05 00:54:19 <MohammadAG> it's actually rtcom-messaging-ui
Jan 05 00:54:27 <MohammadAG> the conversations app
Jan 05 00:54:41 <andre__> uh
Jan 05 00:54:48 <NIN101> oh ok, sounds nice.
Jan 05 00:55:20 <MohammadAG> and yes, it's telepathy
Jan 05 00:55:25 <MohammadAG> at least for IMs
Jan 05 00:55:49 <MohammadAG> interesting
Jan 05 00:56:06 <MohammadAG> Qt Multimedia Kit on the N900 has volume() and volumeChanged()
Jan 05 00:56:08 <MohammadAG> yay
Jan 05 00:57:58 <NIN101> Voicecalls, how are they done? I assume also telepathy?
Jan 05 01:05:33 <NIN101> I just hope that meego will be fully open source
Jan 05 01:06:34 <blizzow> My n900 no longer rings.  I hear the chime for a text message, but the ring tone no longer works.  This kind of sucks, I'm missing calls all the time now.
Jan 05 01:06:44 <blizzow> Does anyone know what might be going on?
Jan 05 01:08:40 <andre__> blizzow: what's Settings > Profiles > Ringing Tone saying? There's a file chosen, and the volume slider is to the right?
Jan 05 01:11:01 <blizzow> Ringing tone is set to "Nokia Tone" and 3/4 to the right.  The SMS alert right below is set to the same volume with the tone "Message 1"
Jan 05 01:11:22 <SpeedEvil> try playing the nokia tone
Jan 05 01:12:53 <NIN101> well, gn8
Jan 05 01:13:26 <pupnik> n8
Jan 05 01:13:43 <blizzow> Definitely plays when I select a different tone and then reselect the Nokia Tone.
Jan 05 01:37:54 <DocScrutinizer> blizzow: you installed contact-ringtones?
Jan 05 01:40:02 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, hmm, what does that do?
Jan 05 01:42:07 <DocScrutinizer> aiui it replaces the ringtone.wav cache in /home/user/.local/share/sounds
Jan 05 01:42:30 <DocScrutinizer> and of course some other things
Jan 05 01:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> barisione explained it on his blog
Jan 05 01:45:21 <jacekowski> it would be nice if you would provide a link
Jan 05 01:45:29 <MohammadAG> another reason the phone app should open sourced
Jan 05 01:45:33 <MohammadAG> or rewritten
Jan 05 01:50:34 <jacekowski> i'll take a look at how big is it
Jan 05 01:50:53 <jacekowski> but that's tomorrow
Jan 05 01:50:53 <MohammadAG> not very big
Jan 05 01:50:58 <MohammadAG> it's just a frontend
Jan 05 01:51:08 <MohammadAG> for a database and telepathy
Jan 05 01:52:02 <jacekowski> so, if i would give you all the details, can you make mohaphone?
Jan 05 01:53:18 <MohammadAG> yeah, and in one year, we'll have Maemoh 5
Jan 05 02:13:56 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: (it would be nice...) sorry but I provided all I have, everything beyond I'd have to dig up just same way you would have to
Jan 05 02:15:17 <DocScrutinizer> actually not, I found a bookmark: http://blog.barisione.org/
Jan 05 02:20:29 <saLOUt> i just logged my recent bought N900 with security lock. 12345 doesn't work. What can I do?
Jan 05 02:26:05 <DocScrutinizer> saLOUt: that's actually a problem now
Jan 05 02:26:20 <saLOUt> DocScrutinizer: so what can I do?
Jan 05 02:26:45 <MohammadAG_> got ssh?
Jan 05 02:27:40 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, probably you could boot to a rescue system, then read out the hash in CAL and decrypt that with john
Jan 05 02:27:55 <DocScrutinizer> moment, I get you a link to details
Jan 05 02:27:56 <saLOUt> MohammadAG_: i didn't install ssh. :/
Jan 05 02:27:58 <MohammadAG_> oh, good point there DocScrutinizer
Jan 05 02:28:05 <MohammadAG_> it's under the lock-code
Jan 05 02:28:15 <MohammadAG_> you just need to string /dev/mtd1
Jan 05 02:28:23 <MohammadAG_> copy the line under lock-code
Jan 05 02:28:28 <MohammadAG_> and johntheripper it
Jan 05 02:28:46 <HtheB> MohammadAG_:
Jan 05 02:28:51 <HtheB> yay!
Jan 05 02:29:04 <DocScrutinizer> saLOUt: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=524522#post524522
Jan 05 02:30:05 <DocScrutinizer> saLOUt: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd
Jan 05 02:32:45 <Termana> good morning
Jan 05 02:33:16 <DocScrutinizer> mohaphone is a demanding task. It's a bit more than 'just a frontend to telepathy'
Jan 05 02:34:07 <DocScrutinizer> see for example handling of service codes
Jan 05 02:34:51 <DocScrutinizer> consider requirements for *unconditial* real-time reaction
Jan 05 02:35:26 <Robot101> yeah, stuff is mlock()'d in that UI
Jan 05 02:35:35 <saLOUt> Don't know why, but after removing the battery i got only asked for my pin and now it seems to work
Jan 05 02:35:36 <Robot101> emergency calls are fun too
Jan 05 02:36:05 <saLOUt> will install ssh first now
Jan 05 02:36:06 <DocScrutinizer> saLOUt: so go to settings and set that friggin lock code to 12345
Jan 05 02:36:23 <saLOUt> DocScrutinizer: how do i set the code without knowing the right one?
Jan 05 02:36:40 <DocScrutinizer> I don't know if it asks for old code
Jan 05 02:37:21 <saLOUt> DocScrutinizer: it wants the old code
Jan 05 02:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> Robot101: yeah
Jan 05 02:38:07 <DocScrutinizer> dialer is absolutely non-trivial if you're planning for anything better than a mere PoC
Jan 05 02:39:14 <DocScrutinizer> that's why it is a extraordinarily mean thing it's not FOSS on maemo
Jan 05 02:43:13 <saLOUt> DocScrutinizer: when i want to ssh into the device, how do i know the root password?
Jan 05 02:43:42 <DocScrutinizer> you need to set it
Jan 05 02:44:10 <DocScrutinizer> if you installed ssh server and client maemo package, it asked you for a root password to set
Jan 05 02:44:27 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Jan 05 02:44:50 <saLOUt> DocScrutinizer: is there a simpler way to get root (using xterm on the device)?
Jan 05 02:45:06 <DocScrutinizer> install package rootsh
Jan 05 02:45:10 <DocScrutinizer> xterm
Jan 05 02:45:16 <DocScrutinizer> $ root
Jan 05 02:45:37 <DocScrutinizer> or $ sudo gainroot
Jan 05 02:47:43 <MohammadAG_> or enable R&D mode
Jan 05 02:48:44 <pupnik> y'all doin good?
Jan 05 02:48:58 <MohammadAG_> no
Jan 05 02:48:59 <pupnik> have some ceylon tea
Jan 05 02:49:01 <MohammadAG_> i'm hungry
Jan 05 02:49:06 <pupnik> ahh :/
Jan 05 02:49:39 <pupnik> try red beans, basmatic rice with lightly fried nameko mushroom, garlic and a touch of cumin and rosemary
Jan 05 02:50:58 <MohammadAG_> heh
Jan 05 02:51:16 <MohammadAG_> wow
Jan 05 02:51:17 <MohammadAG_> strings: /dev/mtd1: Permission denied
Jan 05 02:52:14 <MohammadAG_> DocScrutinizer, the mediaplayer wasn't exactly trivial
Jan 05 02:52:21 <MohammadAG_> even if it's just a UI
Jan 05 02:52:23 <DocScrutinizer> echo root:$(grep -A 13 lock_code /dev/mtd1|tail -1):
Jan 05 02:52:30 <saLOUt> DocScrutinizer: got it. ;) it was a phone number
Jan 05 02:52:51 <saLOUt> I am gonna keep that number for later - (i bought it on amazon warehouse)
Jan 05 02:53:04 <MohammadAG_> heh
Jan 05 02:53:24 <MohammadAG_> it's kinda easier to get the lock code on maemo than on symbian
Jan 05 02:53:59 <DocScrutinizer> no, it's kinda easier to get the tools to do it
Jan 05 02:54:54 <MohammadAG_> it can be done with the phone on
Jan 05 02:55:01 <MohammadAG_> hmm
Jan 05 02:55:05 <MohammadAG_> come to think of it
Jan 05 02:55:12 <MohammadAG_> you can have a symbian phone on
Jan 05 02:55:29 <MohammadAG_> you just need NSS and you need to dump the PM (Permanent Memory)
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