**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 09 02:59:58 2011 Jan 09 03:27:42 BOOOOOOOO Jan 09 03:28:06 ~status Jan 09 03:28:07 Since Sun Jan 9 00:52:05 2011, there have been 0 modifications, 10 questions, 0 dunnos, 0 morons and 5 commands. I have been awake for 2h 31m 57s this session, and currently reference 117631 factoids. I'm using about 15216 kB of memory. With 0 active forks. Process time user/system 21.12/0.94 child 0/0 Jan 09 04:39:49 i've loaded several movies to my new n900, but a few of them say that the audio codec is unsupported. is there a player (like vlc) that plays almost all formats? Jan 09 04:40:03 mplayer Jan 09 04:41:13 is there a proper way to relaunch mycontacts widget on boot without manual intervention? Jan 09 04:41:19 funny in my experience (though on PC) vlc played more than mplayer Jan 09 04:48:09 good morning Jan 09 05:54:19 good morning :-D Jan 09 07:41:49 nice, dawnmist finished her angband-sdl port http://www.dawnmist.net/angband/ Jan 09 08:55:54 * pupnik pokes jav..[tab]... :/ Jan 09 09:19:06 * trumee it sucks to find cpu usage is 20% higher on a streaming ogg stream compared to an mp3 stream Jan 09 09:19:45 there are alternative low-cpu ogg decoders Jan 09 09:19:49 taiwanese manufacturer announces dual-dpad handhelds http://www.golem.de/1101/80598.html Jan 09 09:19:52 looks like the pupnik 770 Jan 09 09:20:20 pupnik, do they work with mediaplayer? Jan 09 09:20:41 i don't think anyone has tried Jan 09 09:21:35 pupnik, iirc there was an article comparing ogg decoders but there was no info on how to install the decoder Jan 09 09:22:21 i'm sure some people would appreciate such a thing Jan 09 09:22:25 if you do it Jan 09 09:26:17 dsp supported, https://garage.maemo.org/projects/dsp-tremor/ Jan 09 09:27:21 Hm... I think Rockbox uses gstreamer.. so if this DSP-based ogg decoder uses that... Jan 09 09:29:31 RobbieThe1st, tmo seems to suggest lardman knows a bit about it. and it doesnt work at present Jan 09 09:29:43 darn Jan 09 09:41:41 RobbieThe1st, http://www.maemonokian900.com/maemo-news/gst-av-0-3-better-performance-for-vorbis-and-mp3/ Jan 09 09:42:19 * MohammadAG hates independant maemo sites Jan 09 09:42:29 have all releases under tmo Jan 09 09:45:57 is the bug which when items in a select box with different values but same name, microB always selects the first one, known? Jan 09 09:46:08 and if not, how do i file a bug? Jan 09 10:38:38 Hey, I'm having I/O errors with my SDHC card. :( Jan 09 10:38:56 Any quick hints for me..? Jan 09 10:39:22 Sequential accessing works fine. I can dd without triggering errors, but random accessing causes I/O errors. Jan 09 10:40:07 [44952.705322] mmcblk0: error -110 transferring data, sector 13099008, nr 8, card status 0xc00 Jan 09 10:40:16 Any way of interpreting this? Jan 09 10:44:40 * timeless_mbp cries Jan 09 10:44:45 * timeless_mbp kicks something Jan 09 10:45:32 oh... that's right, windows 7's address book lets you search by phone number :o Jan 09 10:45:46 (ovi suite's phone number search is limited to the first phone number in a contact Jan 09 10:51:40 hrm Jan 09 10:51:48 * timeless_mbp wonders just how stupid conversations is Jan 09 10:57:50 hey guys, i'm about to travel to asia for a month, i was looking for a software that will help me locate myself on the map offline, and apparently there are so many nowdays. (such as maep). any opinions which one to choose if not maep? Jan 09 10:58:35 timeless_mbp: ping Jan 09 10:58:43 pong Jan 09 10:59:11 timeless_mbp: did you know about a scrolling bug in MicroB? Jan 09 10:59:18 on phone Jan 09 10:59:58 k Jan 09 11:09:31 timeless_mbp: it is a rather annoying bug. could you confirm it? Jan 09 11:09:44 describe? Jan 09 11:10:47 timeless_mbp: open the bookmarks window Jan 09 11:11:21 timeless_mbp: scroll down just a little bit so that only the half of the bottom-most item is visible Jan 09 11:11:25 * timeless_mbp has 0 browser windows open and launches 'Browser' which yields a 'Browser Bookmarks' window with a location bar Jan 09 11:12:08 timeless_mbp: then try to scroll by dragging the bottom-most item Jan 09 11:12:36 timeless_mbp: for me, the list jumps immediately, instead of normal kinetic scrolling Jan 09 11:14:33 timeless_mbp: this occourse to me regardless of where I am in the bookmarks list, the only condition is that the bottommost item is only partially visible and you try to scrolll by dragging that Jan 09 11:15:21 ok, half of Bug me not (something) is visible Jan 09 11:15:23 Venemo_N900: doesn't seem to be limited to the last item Jan 09 11:15:24 or rather, it seems that if i tap the last visible item, i get this behavior Jan 09 11:16:03 timeless_mbp: yes. I meant the bottommost currently visible item Jan 09 11:16:45 ok, in file manager/contacts it just snaps into view Jan 09 11:16:46 we're clearly doing something else Jan 09 11:16:50 Venemo_N900: please note that this is not microb Jan 09 11:16:53 microb=gecko+api wrappings Jan 09 11:17:01 bookmarks has virtually nothing to do w/ gecko Jan 09 11:17:19 (heck, it uses its own proprietary file format [XBEL] instead of the gecko one) Jan 09 11:17:38 timeless_mbp: what I find interesting is that this behaviour is only present in microb Jan 09 11:17:46 * timeless_mbp slaps Venemo_N900 Jan 09 11:17:48 not microb Jan 09 11:17:57 timeless_mbp: ok, not microb Jan 09 11:18:14 timeless_mbp: but why can't I reproduce this in other apps? Jan 09 11:18:35 * timeless_mbp blames ui designers Jan 09 11:18:47 god damnit. this thing just refuses to work. Jan 09 11:19:05 it's the combination of seeking and writing that causes write errors to the card. Jan 09 11:19:50 good combination Jan 09 11:20:19 it's one of the better as I-O operations go Jan 09 11:20:28 timeless_mbp: so, has noone noticed this bug yet? Jan 09 11:23:11 wrong question Jan 09 11:23:26 ask not whether it is unnoticed but rather whether it is reported Jan 09 11:23:36 is it? Jan 09 11:27:26 sorry, busy dealing w/ an email from friday Jan 09 11:27:36 did you search bugs.maemo.org? Jan 09 11:27:53 timeless_mbp: no Jan 09 11:27:57 please try Jan 09 11:28:04 iirc bookmarks has its own component Jan 09 11:28:10 which means you can just browse through all bookmarks bugs Jan 09 11:30:04 timeless_mbp: ok Jan 09 11:30:16 actually, i can't check the internal bug tracker at this time Jan 09 11:30:21 you'd have to ask someone else Jan 09 11:35:21 mount -o remount,uid=100,fmask=0077,dmask=0077 /mnt_data isn't giving me write perms on vfat Jan 09 11:36:00 timeless_mbp: https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=7498 Jan 09 11:36:02 Bug 7498: Tapping a half selected bookmark causes that item to jump to the top Jan 09 11:36:47 Venemo_N900: so much for our users not being willing to file a bug report :) Jan 09 11:36:52 * timeless_mbp is proud of our users Jan 09 11:37:36 timeless_mbp: actually, you commented on it Jan 09 11:37:37 timeless_mbp: "in fact it was fixed in January but missed the last n boats because no one from Jan 09 11:37:37 management approved it. Jan 09 11:37:43 timeless_mbp: your management is nuts. Jan 09 11:37:50 no argument from me :) Jan 09 11:38:20 Venemo_N900: but please don't complain about me commenting in a bug implying i'm going to remember it Jan 09 11:38:41 timeless_mbp: don't take it as a complaint Jan 09 11:39:11 timeless_mbp: I myself would've forgotten something I commented on months ago Jan 09 11:41:02 https://bugzilla.mozilla.org/report.cgi?y_axis_field=reporter&query_format=report-table&emailtype1=exact&email1=timeless%40bemail.org&format=table&action=wrap&emailreporter1=1 Jan 09 11:41:02 * timeless_mbp hopes that link works Jan 09 11:41:02 yeah Jan 09 11:41:03 keep in mind that's just some bugs i've reported Jan 09 11:41:06 ok :) Jan 09 11:41:56 yes, works Jan 09 11:42:02 nice Jan 09 11:56:26 bye-bye now. I'll be back later Jan 09 11:57:24 google translate used espeak, recently they switched to more human like version, what is that, is it available? Jan 09 11:58:05 i mean is it os? Jan 09 11:59:05 morning \o Jan 09 12:00:27 hi, lcuk Jan 09 12:09:15 hey juk Jan 09 12:09:25 apart from translators whats happening Jan 09 12:12:01 Morning Jan 09 12:19:34 morning Jan 09 12:22:19 hey MohammadAG and khertan Jan 09 12:23:30 hey lcuk Jan 09 12:23:52 * MohammadAG grumbles at chemists Jan 09 12:24:00 * lcuk grumbles at missing days Jan 09 12:24:25 * MohammadAG checks calendar - not the 27th of March yet Jan 09 12:24:31 lcuk, what missing days :p Jan 09 12:24:38 :D Jan 09 12:28:39 MohammadAG, its like the anti-thesis of a leap year Jan 09 12:28:46 2011 will have 364 days Jan 09 12:29:02 going back to a non kinetic scrolling xchat is weird Jan 09 12:29:34 lcuk, the iPhone skips hours, in 24 days liqbase will be in sync with the iPhone Jan 09 12:30:33 iphone can never be as fast as liqbase :P Jan 09 12:31:41 * MohammadAG would disagree, but he tested an N8 against an iPhone 4 and the N8 turned out smoother, and liqbase is kinda faster than Symbian^3 :p Jan 09 12:31:54 MohammadAG: there is a kinetic scrolling xchat? Jan 09 12:32:05 * MohammadAG ponders improving on dotblank's portrait kb in Qt Jan 09 12:32:08 or just a different IRC client? Jan 09 12:32:12 BCMM, private build, sort of Jan 09 12:32:18 hmph. Jan 09 12:32:20 MohammadAG: what does that mean? Jan 09 12:32:33 it means i didn't publicize patches Jan 09 12:32:48 and it's only side bars, not the channel text Jan 09 12:33:07 oh Jan 09 12:33:12 moo Jan 09 12:37:48 oh and the channel picker Jan 09 12:37:54 err, network picker Jan 09 12:37:58 moo DocScrutinizer Jan 09 12:38:19 you guys have mornings? Jan 09 12:39:09 oops forgot to scroll Jan 09 12:39:34 eh? Jan 09 12:39:38 ~ugt Jan 09 12:39:38 [ugt] Universal Greeting Time. Created in #mipslinux, it is a rule that states that whenever somebody enters an IRC channel it is always morning, and it is always late when the person leaves. The local time of any other people in the channel, including the greeter, is irrelevant. http://www.total-knowledge.com/~ilya/mips/ugt.html Jan 09 12:40:36 ah Jan 09 12:45:51 ~seen _nicolai Jan 09 12:45:58 i haven't seen '_nicolai', MohammadAG Jan 09 12:46:56 hmm Jan 09 12:47:03 ~seen _nicolai_ Jan 09 12:47:04 _nicolai_ <~nicolai@pop8-328.catv.wtnet.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 11d 14h 37m 3s ago, saying: 'MohammadAG, is someone working on the mafwsource for your mediaplayer?'. Jan 09 12:54:55 * Termana kicks Chrome for being a knob Jan 09 12:55:57 Termana, heh, what did he do? Jan 09 12:56:15 won't that dent it? Jan 09 12:56:57 lcuk, I'm guessing he's talking about the tmo user Jan 09 12:57:02 :P Jan 09 12:57:05 MohammadAG, I was trying to upload an essay to my Uni and the deadline is within the hour. Chrome wouldn't do it. Luckily I checked whether Firefox would Jan 09 12:57:11 No, I mean the browser :p Jan 09 12:57:19 oh, that chrome Jan 09 12:57:39 Yes, POS :( I am unhappy with it now. I will give it the silent treatment Jan 09 12:57:49 only thing I like about Chrome is the Uploading (XX%) part Jan 09 12:58:17 Termana, make it quick, I hate watching painful slow deaths Jan 09 12:58:58 :p Jan 09 13:04:46 sooooo what's new? Jan 09 13:05:38 DocScrutinizer, this year only has 364 days. Jan 09 13:05:56 .oO(???) Jan 09 13:06:21 DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=915331&postcount=15 Jan 09 13:06:27 osso-callendar gone nuts? Jan 09 13:08:02 omg Jan 09 13:08:11 damn nokia internet tablets stealing whole days :/ Jan 09 13:08:45 lcuk: count them all, maybe there's much more missing Jan 09 13:08:55 DocScrutinizer, nope Jan 09 13:08:58 just that one day Jan 09 13:09:14 although there is potential to get it back in the autumn Jan 09 13:09:17 but I did not check that Jan 09 13:09:20 liqcallendar is a sneaky bastard Jan 09 13:09:27 I think perhaps it will duplicate a day lol Jan 09 13:09:35 * lcuk checks Jan 09 13:09:53 muhaha, DST or what? Jan 09 13:10:11 ah, odd months Jan 09 13:10:19 dst actuall Jan 09 13:10:22 see next comment Jan 09 13:10:29 to notice the bug itself Jan 09 13:12:15 hehe Jan 09 13:12:17 yeah Jan 09 13:12:24 its ok guys, theres no missing day Jan 09 13:12:31 October 30th however will be repeated Jan 09 13:12:35 it just moved Jan 09 13:12:53 happy marriage Jan 09 13:12:58 \o/ Jan 09 13:13:14 next year there will be many little dailies Jan 09 13:14:25 * DocScrutinizer ponders if he likes years with even more days in them. And then baby days, eeew Jan 09 13:36:08 hi, after advices from some guys here, I'm building a kernel with initramfs to try and save my n810 after a stupid update of udev. The problem is that I need the BME driver which I do not know where to find and that I cannot get from my own device ... Jan 09 13:47:01 bme is closed Jan 09 13:47:36 my door is closed Jan 09 13:52:25 anyway iirc bme is not really a kernel module driver, so you just need to copy the binary to your rootfs, and it should work Jan 09 13:54:01 DocScrutinizer: thanks, so I don't need it to boot, but still need to find it, and other says it's closed so ... Jan 09 13:54:41 it's closed Jan 09 13:55:35 and for basic boot it's not needed - just for battery charging Jan 09 13:57:10 I just hope you'll not suffer from a bootloop when bme isn't available and some dsme or other master decides this isn't bearable and requires a full reboot Jan 09 13:57:14 my battery is half, I need to boot with minimal kernel with busybox to chroot and downgrade my udev or at least backup /home before flashing Jan 09 13:57:39 hmm, I see Jan 09 13:57:59 i copied a font to /usr/share/fonts. do i need to reboot to be able to use it? :-? Jan 09 13:58:27 VladNistor: I'd guess definitely not Jan 09 13:59:28 DocScrutinizer, thanks. It can't find it in theme customizer or the advanced clock plugin though :-? Jan 09 13:59:48 I don't know of any process that establishes and keeps a lock or link to all existing fonts during boot, and keeps these Jan 09 14:00:43 yeah, i don't either, this is strange :) Jan 09 14:00:48 it's more likely that there's some "inventory" file where the font need to get listed Jan 09 14:00:59 VladNistor: If you copied it like that you will need to use some mkfontscale/mkfontdir to update your fonts, add it to the xorg conf and restart xorg. That's what I would do on a classical pc. I don't how much it apply on your device. Jan 09 14:02:33 thanks talineo. i didn't know fonts go in xorg.conf, u sure? Jan 09 14:03:11 Section "Files" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/misc:unscaled" FontPath "/usr/share/fonts/75dpi:unscaled" Jan 09 14:03:18 talineo: have you considered using/booting a completely alternative OS, like mer or meego? then just mount the former rootfs of diablo and copy out your home from there Jan 09 14:03:22 sorry for the display Jan 09 14:04:02 oh, alright, thanks Jan 09 14:05:45 talineo: I suggest to ping stskeeps in #meego(-arm). He knows a lot about booting N810 with alternative rootfs and OS Jan 09 14:06:31 DocScrutinizer: thanks I will go and pick informations there Jan 09 14:06:45 talineo: maybe even #mer Jan 09 14:07:48 I'm absolutely sure there's been a decently working mer distri for N810, and stskeeps was the one to do this amazing piece of work Jan 09 14:08:08 would the rescue init from meego not work? i used it once to get to my data on n900 Jan 09 14:08:10 he's on #mer Jan 09 14:08:22 DocScrutinizer: that sounds good Jan 09 14:08:36 DocScrutinizer, talineo, a reboot does the trick with the font :) Jan 09 14:08:41 VladNistor: I'm not sure it will work for N810 Jan 09 14:09:02 yeah, might not, i'm not familiar with the N810 Jan 09 14:09:09 (meego initrd) Jan 09 14:11:43 talineo: anyway, a test might not hurt: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Jan 09 14:12:19 yeah, that's the one i was referring to Jan 09 14:13:11 DocScrutinizer: will look at it, I just want not to test too much, because my battery is just half and some says me I shouldn't drain it too much Jan 09 14:13:18 this is a nondestructive way to load a mini-OS to ram and boot from there, so storage won't get touched. Basic operation principles should apply to N810 as well Jan 09 14:13:41 yeah, battery is a big concern Jan 09 14:14:18 so better ask stskeeps. He's the expert :-D Jan 09 14:14:30 hahaha, my phone is in Ancient Jan 09 14:15:46 talineo: by any chance you are familiar with electric things? Jan 09 14:16:14 DocScrutinizer: talking with Stskeeps right now Jan 09 14:16:26 oh, good Jan 09 14:16:48 you can't get better advice Jan 09 14:16:50 DocScrutinizer: electric things is far ... (I was at school then) Jan 09 14:17:00 ok, nm then Jan 09 14:19:20 (otherwise I might have pointed you to options of external charging and feeding N810 with alien PSU via battery contacts. But that's for copper dudes) Jan 09 14:21:12 (except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-) ) Jan 09 14:22:38 also I got a spare of all my important devices :-D Jan 09 14:25:55 DocScrutinizer: Stskeeps pointed a link to use my n900 battery on my n810 Jan 09 14:29:09 yep, should work Jan 09 14:29:26 though a bit icky Jan 09 14:29:34 http://thpmaemo.blogspot.com/2009/12/charging-bl-5j-n900-battery-in-n810.html Jan 09 14:29:43 yes a bit ! Jan 09 14:29:44 needs quite a bit of pressure for mine Jan 09 14:30:25 and contacts still are shaky Jan 09 14:33:46 alas it's probably hard to charge the BP-4L in N900 :-) Jan 09 14:35:04 DocScrutinizer: yep for the n900, I didn't make the same mistakes, I have a spare battery with a charger Jan 09 14:35:26 heh, the charger might work for BP-4L, no? Jan 09 14:36:00 DocScrutinizer: no just the size for the BL5 Jan 09 14:36:06 ;-/ Jan 09 14:36:12 pupnik uses a spare universal charger Jan 09 14:36:41 [2011-01-09 15:17:04] (except maybe the universal LiIon charger option. Always handy to have such a device I guess - I got none, I'm doing this the more hardcore way ;-) ) Jan 09 14:36:46 yes Jan 09 14:39:25 is it worth such a hacking when a universal lion charger is ten bucks? Jan 09 14:40:18 I bought http://www.amazon.com/PPUCLIP-Universal-Charger-Adjustable-Contacts/dp/B001RGYZJS this with my second battery. Works. Jan 09 14:42:08 chx: interresting :) Jan 09 14:43:27 it's SUCH a bummer that you need to hack and trick and whatnot for a hotswap with the N900 :( Jan 09 14:46:27 hotswap batteries? Jan 09 14:47:13 chx: it's not that bad really Jan 09 14:47:54 no? Jan 09 14:47:59 no Jan 09 14:48:03 have it advanced since i read? Jan 09 14:48:12 it sounded like some serious magick Jan 09 14:48:50 plug in charger, reduce screen brightness to min and make sure screen won't dim for 30s. stop bme, swap battery, start bme Jan 09 14:49:25 DocScrutinizer: i never managed to do it Jan 09 14:49:27 you might want to enter flight mode prior to this, as modem is definitely using too much power Jan 09 14:50:12 jacekowski: I did it some 10 days ago, just dor fun. AIUI MohammadAG is doing that 5 times a day Jan 09 14:50:23 hehe, I always swap without doing anything Jan 09 14:50:27 I did it on 3G and full brightness once Jan 09 14:50:34 well, 4/5 brightness actually Jan 09 14:51:04 so it's just connect charger, stop bme, swap batteries, remove charger, start bme Jan 09 14:51:25 well, bq24150 might deliver as much as 1000mA@4V, to stand-in for the battery Jan 09 14:51:26 DocScrutinizer, more, my battery inflated a bit more recently so it has a lifetime of 2h Jan 09 14:51:47 * MohammadAG 's looking at hildon-desktop's source Jan 09 14:52:02 trying to change blur to darkening Jan 09 14:52:16 i.e instead of blurring dialogs and such, darken the background Jan 09 14:52:21 i don't get it Jan 09 14:52:26 a lot less intensive on the SGX, and should be quite faster Jan 09 14:52:26 what you do to these batteries Jan 09 14:52:33 i never had battery that got pregnant Jan 09 14:53:11 meh, better add a keyboard shortcut to MHD for getting to desktop and to applauncher menu, from window switcher screen Jan 09 14:53:14 jacekowski, got 3 batteries, can't find 1, 1's "pregnant", the other is umm, weird Jan 09 14:53:26 got 2 Jan 09 14:53:32 one is in my phone Jan 09 14:53:47 second is new one that i have to swap one day Jan 09 14:54:15 I got 3 and all are fine Jan 09 14:54:45 I guess MohammadAG's external charger is a bit harsh to the batteries Jan 09 14:55:12 wouldn't be surprised Jan 09 14:55:37 decent charger chips are "expensive" Jan 09 14:55:54 oO Jan 09 14:55:55 DocScrutinizer: any recommended external charger? Jan 09 14:56:10 that spring in back piece of case Jan 09 14:56:15 battery cover Jan 09 14:56:19 that holds that tilting thing Jan 09 14:56:23 just came off Jan 09 14:56:28 trumee: sorry, I never got any external charger, so I really can't judge about their quality Jan 09 14:56:38 can i install maemo on my motorola e8 ? Jan 09 14:56:52 jacekowski: known issue Jan 09 14:57:01 Claudio_1232: no Jan 09 14:57:32 DocScrutinizer: you use N900 to charge all the 3 batteries? Jan 09 14:57:35 Claudio_1232: you might be more lucky with meego Jan 09 14:57:44 trumee: sure Jan 09 14:58:03 is there any other OS for motorola e8 ? Jan 09 14:58:03 I got 2 of them, so basically just one fake spare battery Jan 09 14:58:29 DocScrutinizer: nokia uk shop doesnt have any in stock :( Jan 09 14:58:33 i really like that phone but the OS its terrible Jan 09 14:59:13 can someone give me the full path for bme btw ? (on n810) Jan 09 14:59:26 Claudio_1232: this is not the right channel for you :-D Jan 09 14:59:27 * trumee wonders if amazon could be trusted with a genuine battery Jan 09 15:00:08 Claudio_1232: you can't run maemo on motorola phones. And nobody here knows anything about your phone's OS Jan 09 15:00:12 im afraid so Jan 09 15:00:53 about amazon, they offer those tiny images for cloud computing for free. turns out they're just barely faster than an n900 according to phoronix.com Jan 09 15:01:02 trumee: that's a difficult question. Even Nokia can't tell apart fakes and genuine ones, unless they disassemble :-D Jan 09 15:01:28 DocScrutinizer: but the HOLOGRAPHIC STICKER Jan 09 15:01:35 pfff Jan 09 15:01:39 surely that can't be faked!!!!!1!1 Jan 09 15:02:09 yeah, nobody makes them, they just appear out of thin air! Jan 09 15:02:34 kerio: i have fake battery Jan 09 15:02:40 kerio: with sticker and stuff Jan 09 15:02:47 get it replaced by nokia Jan 09 15:02:58 why by nokia? Jan 09 15:03:03 so you get a genuine one Jan 09 15:03:03 i bought it somewhere else Jan 09 15:03:09 "this battery is crap!" Jan 09 15:03:10 i don't care Jan 09 15:03:15 it's not crap Jan 09 15:04:39 this is wird, xchat doesn't seem to really use my ancient font :( Jan 09 15:05:23 yeah, my supposedly faked one also performs up to expectations Jan 09 15:05:48 * alterego yawns and waits for the package importer. Jan 09 15:06:09 hmm Jan 09 15:06:18 i banned myself yesterday on one of channels Jan 09 15:06:50 i don't even remember that Jan 09 15:07:25 some might even be grey shift production. Means the manufacturer building batteries for Nokia just does a nightshift building 'nokia' batteries for grey market - usually employees do this while management doesn't know about it ;-) Jan 09 15:08:24 VladNistor-mob: you're aware xchat has its owm font selector in setup? Jan 09 15:09:02 DocScrutinizer, i do now, thanks Jan 09 15:10:01 but since the menu is in ancient and i can' read it i also can't change it... yeah, i'm bored Jan 09 15:10:36 muhahah Jan 09 15:10:56 :) Jan 09 15:11:43 oh, and the application list doesn't use the fonts either Jan 09 15:11:58 ""and next week we will learn how to switch language of your heating from simplified chinese back to latin-1"" Jan 09 15:12:25 i'm trying klingon next :) Jan 09 15:19:41 VladNistor: that may of any help http://www.chinese-tools.com/ ? (you have tools to draw the characters you don't know) Jan 09 15:20:43 talineo, hahah, i know the theme customizer menu in any language to switch back, thanks :P Jan 09 15:21:25 VladNistor: you're welcome ;-) Jan 09 15:23:32 http://i.imgur.com/gbMIG.jpg Jan 09 15:27:29 is that your alterego, alterego? Jan 09 15:28:32 waitasec, for omap3 i don't want -mfloat-abi=softfp do i Jan 09 15:41:36 i'm watching tron legacy, and some guy is using an n8 to hack into some server =)) Jan 09 15:49:26 VladNistor: heh, cool, the N8 also featured in the latest season of Dexter Jan 09 15:50:43 product placement ;D Jan 09 15:53:17 Yeah, they're pretty good at it aren't they ;) Jan 09 15:53:59 money makes things easier Jan 09 15:57:05 N8 to hack a server? hah Jan 09 15:58:50 hack the planet Jan 09 15:59:41 it can't hack itself Jan 09 16:00:41 yeah, it had some sort of board sticking out of it which could crack access to some sort of door and then some sort of server... looked cool Jan 09 16:02:17 is it possible to stop tracker to pick images from a certain folder but let it pick up music? Jan 09 16:02:20 product ads are always cool Jan 09 16:02:56 i have CD covers in my music folder which get picked up by tracker as well which i dont want Jan 09 16:24:35 trumee: join the club :P Jan 09 16:25:43 alterego: is thereany way to delete entries from tracker database? Jan 09 16:28:19 tracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name *tracker* -delete Jan 09 16:28:22 it's the only sane way Jan 09 16:29:45 lol Jan 09 16:29:50 kerio:? Jan 09 16:30:01 kerio:that is not what i was asking Jan 09 16:30:06 yes, it was Jan 09 16:30:09 you just don't know it Jan 09 16:30:20 lmfao Jan 09 16:30:31 ... Jan 09 16:30:41 kerio:i want tracker to pick only mp3 from the folder and not the images. Jan 09 16:31:20 kerio: not to bloody ask the tracker to index everything again Jan 09 16:36:11 no, you want to delete the fuck out of the tracker Jan 09 16:37:44 Heh Jan 09 16:38:08 kerio: but wont the tracker again pick up the images and mp3 from the same folder? Jan 09 16:38:17 not if you delete it! Jan 09 16:38:27 also check out .config/tracker/something.cfg Jan 09 16:38:49 i'm not sure if there's a way to make it index types based on position though Jan 09 16:38:57 * trumee confirms that kerio got the question wrong Jan 09 16:39:18 see, you *think* you want tracker to be less crappy Jan 09 16:39:20 ~sarcasm Jan 09 16:39:21 i guess sarcasm is a troll rolling on the stone Jan 09 16:39:26 you need a new detector for it trumee Jan 09 16:39:35 in reality you just want to delete the little bastard Jan 09 16:39:48 MohammadAG: so it is not possible at the moment? Jan 09 16:40:03 trumee, a sarcasm detector Jan 09 16:40:10 no, not to my knowledge Jan 09 16:40:30 ok. cheers Jan 09 16:41:28 trumee: even in the best case scenario you'd probably need to rescan anyway Jan 09 16:41:37 make it only scan for audio in ~/MyDocs/.sounds/ maybe Jan 09 16:42:00 you can't kerio Jan 09 16:42:47 i reiterate my proposal of tracker-processes -k && tracker-processes -r && sudo find / -name *tracker* -delete Jan 09 16:43:41 What's with the 1.4 rumours? Jan 09 16:44:50 alterego, free popcorn, why do you care? Jan 09 16:47:08 I just don't get how people can get this shit. Jan 09 16:47:14 ~pr1.4 Jan 09 16:47:14 PR1.4 has always been a ban'able subject Jan 09 16:47:26 ~pr1.7 Jan 09 16:48:00 alterego, it was on facebook®!! Jan 09 16:48:23 MohammadAG: I know :P Jan 09 16:49:48 alterego, oh yeah, and the facebook's closing on 15/3 thing Jan 09 16:50:00 check your news feed, see how many believed that Jan 09 16:50:34 Heh, crazy Jan 09 16:50:47 More believable than PR1.4 though ;) Jan 09 16:51:50 alterego, yeah, they quoted Mark, I should quote Ari Jaaski and see how many believe that Jan 09 16:51:59 even though he quit Jan 09 16:52:21 Heh Jan 09 16:56:26 * timeless_mbp swaps batteries w/o stopping bme :) Jan 09 17:15:21 wtf, timeless Jan 09 17:50:19 MohammadAG, HD already has ways of simplifying the rendering to lighten the load Jan 09 17:50:33 notice that the fade/blur is done at half resolution for instance Jan 09 17:56:32 is it possible to install Qtmail on maemo 5??? Jan 09 18:02:46 I swear everytine there's activity on the Columbus thread someone touches the modrana thread too. Jan 09 18:11:32 jav[tab] Jan 09 18:13:08 Oh, the dev released a new version today aswell ... Jan 09 18:36:42 omg w0000p Jan 09 18:36:45 "Your Mail-ID has been awarded £950,000,00 Pounds .... " Jan 09 18:37:22 * lcuk wonders what to do with 95million pounds Jan 09 18:37:25 WOOOHOO Jan 09 18:37:43 actually, I don't wonder, I know exactly what to do with it Jan 09 18:37:46 heh Jan 09 18:37:51 buy the moon? Jan 09 18:37:52 if you don't want it you can give it to me :D Jan 09 18:37:59 fund a bloody modern maemo-based phone? :D Jan 09 18:38:06 * rtyler wants a more powerful n900 damnit Jan 09 18:38:17 that would be nice Jan 09 18:38:29 it would be good seed money for a rocking future Jan 09 18:38:32 my wife's new HTC G2 is putting my n900 to shame Jan 09 18:38:39 rtyler, :) n900 is awesomely powerful already Jan 09 18:38:49 too little RAM Jan 09 18:38:53 i was using my n810 yesterday and marvelling at just how good it was Jan 09 18:39:03 I like to multitask with Opera and another app or two Jan 09 18:39:13 running multiple tabs in opera is sluggish Jan 09 18:39:16 since especially it can easily support build-essential and do on device building simply :) Jan 09 18:39:22 the chip is likely still fast enough, just need moar rams Jan 09 18:39:38 are you sure its opera (or any browser) thats slow and not the damned active flash on each tab Jan 09 18:39:53 lcuk: not very serious, as they even got the , wrong Jan 09 18:40:12 DocScrutinizer, its not wrong, its 95 million pounds!!!! Jan 09 18:40:19 i have already replied Jan 09 18:40:23 or maybe it's meant to be 950,000.00 Jan 09 18:40:32 lcuk: disabled flash Jan 09 18:40:37 their mistake, not mine Jan 09 18:40:49 I am trying out firefox today Jan 09 18:41:00 whats wrong with microb? Jan 09 18:41:07 lcuk: please give a a humble 10k of it ;-D Jan 09 18:41:09 don't like the experience Jan 09 18:41:28 always been a closet opera fanboi Jan 09 18:41:36 rtyler, what specifically is wrong with browsers and what would your ideal be Jan 09 18:41:39 if there was a really polished webkit browser for maemo though Jan 09 18:42:02 back i nthe day I recall a browser called tear Jan 09 18:42:09 i cant remember what it was based on Jan 09 18:42:27 lcuk: the tabs interface and zooming with Opera on Maemo is really nice, I'm generally impressed with the sites it can handle without killing the device's responsiveness too much Jan 09 18:42:56 firefox's UI on maemo is too sluggish, especially when loading pages Jan 09 18:43:02 * rtyler think he just crashed it Jan 09 18:43:23 rtyler: hell, multiple tabs in opera is sluggish on my 16core 3.8GHz 32GB RAM box Jan 09 18:43:28 DocScrutinizer, what would 10k get me? Jan 09 18:43:49 eternal praise Jan 09 18:43:53 heh Jan 09 18:43:57 i have that anyway Jan 09 18:44:01 meh Jan 09 18:44:11 you never can have enough of it Jan 09 18:44:21 if it got the h-e-n patches into official kernel I would start saving today Jan 09 18:45:19 you can have those in a week if you would pay those 10k. But the question is how to get that official kernel really official Jan 09 18:45:41 kernel.org official? Jan 09 18:46:23 ooh you mean official like "upstream" - *really* upstream, maybe linus branch. Jan 09 18:46:29 :) Jan 09 18:46:34 really official Jan 09 18:46:37 we can talk about that Jan 09 18:47:29 not now we can't, I have to go rest off bowling aches and sunday roast bloat Jan 09 18:47:32 I'm sure I know some good popular honoured kernel hackers that could push it, for a adequate bribe Jan 09 18:48:47 there has been worse crap in main branch Jan 09 18:49:10 i don't know whats worse, losing March 28th or having 2 October 30ths :S Jan 09 18:49:24 hehehe Jan 09 18:50:17 its like groundhog day Jan 09 18:50:27 lcuk, having a february the 31st Jan 09 18:50:46 how would you get to feb 31st? Jan 09 18:51:02 lcuk, you got 2 october 30ths Jan 09 18:51:02 I would have expected March 28th to keep her name, or at least get a double-name like OctoberMarch 28th, wife of October 30th Jan 09 18:51:02 Any way to figure out if a network supports DTM without trying a voice call and data at the same time? Jan 09 18:51:06 or is it one of those days you have to get REALLY drunk to actually reach Jan 09 18:51:10 shouldn't be hard for you to figure out Jan 09 18:51:50 wonder what their kids are named Jan 09 18:52:23 * lcuk goes and rests on the sofa Jan 09 18:52:25 \o Jan 09 18:52:31 enjoy Jan 09 18:53:10 yacc: nope, not afaik Jan 09 18:53:20 sigh. Jan 09 18:55:29 * DocScrutinizer ponders to hack a bit more on jrbme/booston Jan 09 18:59:30 Anyway, what scripts are run when bnep0 gets created? Jan 09 19:31:36 someone should shoot the guys who makes threads like this: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68048 Jan 09 19:35:37 It is a lemming. It is trying to be "helpful". Jan 09 19:35:55 Venemo got all excited. Jan 09 19:36:13 Venemo: i've nearly finished my blog post about an upcoming release Jan 09 19:36:21 BCMM: :D Jan 09 19:36:24 duke nukem forever is gonna be an n900 exclusive Jan 09 19:36:31 next week. Jan 09 19:36:44 i am an authority on such things. Jan 09 19:38:02 "I guess that this probadly is true." Jan 09 19:38:12 i love TMO Jan 09 19:38:25 without it, those people would probably end up *here* Jan 09 19:38:42 "i stumbled upon another guy from twitter claiming this aswell" Jan 09 19:39:25 Good evening everybody. Could someone tell me in which order the emmc and os images must be flashed? I found opposing information about the order... Jan 09 19:40:16 The order isn't important if you make sure you don't reboot or boot the device in between Jan 09 19:40:17 ag0ny1: any order Jan 09 19:40:22 ag0ny1: just don't reboot Jan 09 19:40:36 so don't use -R (reboot) flag to flasher Jan 09 19:41:57 Thank you. But why does http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php say then: "Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that." next to the vanilla image? Jan 09 19:42:27 ag0ny1: the info and rationale on wiki is pretty clear, no? Jan 09 19:43:03 If you fuck up and reboot the device in between, then hang done the emmc first means the device boots up to slightly broken system that can be fixed by flashing the rootfs/fiasco image Jan 09 19:43:07 ag0ny1: and afaik they fixed that on http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php some weeks ago Jan 09 19:43:43 they == X-Fade Jan 09 19:44:03 ~flashing Jan 09 19:44:04 from memory, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 09 19:44:20 if you flash rootfs/fiasco first and boot, data is moved from / to /opt (emmc), and that data is then overwritten when you flash emmc, and you end up with slightly broken system, which can be fixed by flashing rootfs/fiasco image. Or in total 3 flashings Jan 09 19:44:39 ag0ny1: if you found any wiki or nokia page telling different, please drop a pointer and note here Jan 09 19:44:52 the truth is, as long as you do NOT reboot inbetween, it doesn't really matter. Jan 09 19:44:59 yes Jan 09 19:45:27 Venemo: that's what he said :-D Jan 09 19:46:30 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Jan 09 19:46:33 When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to Jan 09 19:46:35 work. The former advice on tablets-dev.nokia.com was not based on any facts for the recent eMMC VANILLA image. It's fixed now and in line with this wiki Jan 09 19:47:52 DocScrutinizer: http://discussions.europe.nokia.com/t5/Maemo-Devices/Help-for-N900-that-randomly-reboot-and-that-have-stopped-booting/td-p/593949/page/15 there is a post from cpitchford stating an order. That combined with the note on the http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php page did confuse me as they state differently. Jan 09 19:48:11 I had not found the Wikipage you just linked, which is stating it pretty clearly Jan 09 19:48:32 Ah, discussions.nokia :) Jan 09 19:48:48 They probably didn't notice it changed on tablets-dev Jan 09 19:49:01 GeneralAntilles, whats that old book you uploaded to flickr? Jan 09 19:49:17 But maybe I don't need to flash my newly acquired device that keeps on rebooting randomly? Maybe there is already another fix for that problem? Jan 09 19:50:23 ag0ny1, ? if you just got a second hand device, I recommend flashing to official anyway Jan 09 19:50:24 What OS version does it run? Jan 09 19:50:28 ~seen texrat Jan 09 19:50:36 Yeah, what lcuk says Jan 09 19:50:36 texrat <47a4a9ca@gateway/web/freenode/ip.71.164.169.202> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 31d 17h 19m 29s ago, saying: 'sphinxxxx, gtfo'. Jan 09 19:50:55 No, its not second hand. Its brand new. Its the device for my wife... Jan 09 19:51:06 hrw, \o hey, texrat rarely comes on irc Jan 09 19:51:16 but if you want him, he is responsive on email usually Jan 09 19:51:41 ag0ny1, what version? (settings - about product) Jan 09 19:51:51 incase you haven't got his addy, I am PMing it now. Jan 09 19:51:56 OS Version is V 20.2010.36-2 Jan 09 19:52:08 lcuk: I am exchanging tweets with him now Jan 09 19:52:30 So that's newest.. If it's rebooting randomly and brand new I'd return it Jan 09 19:52:33 lcuk: he is Dallas guy and I am here for week Jan 09 19:52:43 ag0ny1: it should not reboot randomly, unless you installed a broken app (probably found on extras-devel repository). But OOTB devices need a OS upgrade Jan 09 19:52:51 yeah hrw, have you been there before? Jan 09 19:53:01 DocScrutinizer: OOTB? Jan 09 19:53:07 ~ootb Jan 09 19:53:08 ootb is, like, Out Of The Box Jan 09 19:54:01 lcuk: nope, first visit Jan 09 19:54:11 ShadowJK: I read, during research for the reboot-problem, that a reflash might help as well... Jan 09 19:54:26 lcuk: weather suxx badly today ;( Jan 09 19:54:33 sitting in hotel is uber boring Jan 09 19:54:34 ag0ny1: have you connected the device to internet? Usually via WLAN Jan 09 19:54:35 DocScrutinizer: The device has the latest os version already Jan 09 19:54:35 hrw, you must get a 10gallon hat photo! Jan 09 19:54:41 DocScrutinizer: Yes Jan 09 19:54:44 hrw, it depends on the company Jan 09 19:54:45 ag0ny1: :-O Jan 09 19:55:03 DocScrutinizer: That was never a problem with my own device... Jan 09 19:55:09 in Dublin we pretty much camped out in the hotel but there was always a big bunch of us Jan 09 19:55:35 lcuk: 10gallon hat? Jan 09 19:55:40 Camping out in the hotel when you're travelling on your own is no fun, though. Jan 09 19:55:50 ag0ny1: so yeah, reflash it completely, do NOT restore any apps you had installed yourself previously, and check if the device behaves Jan 09 19:55:59 Jaffa: it is when they charge $14/day for internet. wee! Jan 09 19:56:16 Well, the first OS version over a year ago had an issue where it randomly rebooted on some devices. this was fixed in january 2009. You have the latest os on that device, so the well known reboot issue isn't relevant. That leaves the possibility that the os install is corrupted either through something installed or out of the box, OR, that the hardware is faulty Jan 09 19:56:23 lcuk: ok, I see Jan 09 19:56:30 DocScrutinizer: Ok. Can I use the latest emmc image? Jan 09 19:56:36 yes Jan 09 19:56:38 :D Jan 09 19:56:42 If you reflash you eliminate the possibility that the os install is damaged Jan 09 19:57:54 ag0ny1: ShadowJK: exactly Jan 09 19:57:56 ShadowJK: Yes. I am going to stress-test after the fresh flash Jan 09 19:58:05 ag0ny1: good Jan 09 19:59:13 don't forget to test headset/AV connector and FMTX. There were several reports of those being broken OOTB Jan 09 19:59:51 and mic Jan 09 20:00:20 Ok, thank you all very much. You really helped me!! Jan 09 20:00:25 ag0ny1: also you may want to write and read huge amount of data (a large file) to eMMC aka MyDocs, and see if the flash is ok Jan 09 20:00:29 ag0ny1: I had a post about what to check... Jan 09 20:00:31 let me find it Jan 09 20:00:57 hrw: Thanks! Jan 09 20:01:01 ag0ny1: http://marcin.juszkiewicz.com.pl/2009/12/14/things-to-check-with-nokia-n900/ Jan 09 20:01:02 *takes notes * Jan 09 20:01:49 ag0ny1: add coment there if you will have something to add Jan 09 20:01:56 Hehe Jan 09 20:02:05 hrw: heh, your server broke on massive trafic, some seconds ago? ;-D Jan 09 20:02:17 Why do the rumored specs for the N9 never have anything relating to reality. Jan 09 20:02:22 "Snapdragon" Jan 09 20:02:23 No. Jan 09 20:02:36 How do you know though? Jan 09 20:02:47 GAN900: I would rather see omap3640/1GHz Jan 09 20:02:50 It'll be same cpu as beagleboard xm, but one number higher ;P Jan 09 20:02:54 yeah Jan 09 20:03:04 RST38h: nokia uses omap cpus since long time Jan 09 20:03:10 hrw: 42% loaded Jan 09 20:03:11 DocScrutinizer: ? Jan 09 20:03:18 DocScrutinizer: loaded fine here Jan 09 20:03:41 aaah 76% and actually showing content already Jan 09 20:04:16 79% Jan 09 20:05:51 DocScrutinizer: maybe time to switch from 9600 modem to a bit more modern isp? Jan 09 20:06:05 for you? Jan 09 20:06:14 1GHz Omap3, 512M Ram. 800x480. My prediction ;p Jan 09 20:06:15 you Jan 09 20:06:16 Does the device stay in flash mode after the battery was removed? Jan 09 20:06:26 ag0ny1, no it shuts down Jan 09 20:06:35 ShadowJK: Thanks! Jan 09 20:10:04 ag0ny1: the "undocumented" though apparently most rock solid way to flash is: plug in N900 without battery, start flasher so it shows "waiting...", then insert battery (while holding 'u' key, though that's not really needed usually) Jan 09 20:23:32 Does flashing the RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin only take couple seconds? Jan 09 20:23:51 ag0ny1: yes. Jan 09 20:24:06 Hm... Jan 09 20:24:11 ok :D Jan 09 20:24:21 It's more than a couple Jan 09 20:24:29 but it's under a minute Jan 09 20:24:35 well under Jan 09 20:24:42 It was done in 10 seconds or something Jan 09 20:24:43 booting takes a considerable time first time Jan 09 20:24:48 Ah, ok... Jan 09 20:25:29 So if the flashing command is executed with the -R switch and the device stays connected with the usb/pc booting also works, but takes a considerable time? Jan 09 20:26:28 I am asking because currently the screen stays black, but the loading led is blinking and the keyboard is lighten up Jan 09 20:26:34 But nothing else happens :D Jan 09 20:28:49 Hm... Jan 09 20:29:00 yes - it takes ages Jan 09 20:29:02 5 min? Jan 09 20:29:04 hi Jan 09 20:29:12 where does your /etc/resolv.conf point to? Jan 09 20:29:22 ag0ny1, sure it's not in charging mode? Jan 09 20:29:25 somehow openconnect-gui must have messed mine up Jan 09 20:29:36 i.e are the 5 moving circles moving Jan 09 20:29:45 Why does the wikipage say "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so " after flashing the emmc image and at the begin says "Do not boot up the device between the two i.e" Jan 09 20:30:20 I fear something horrible... Jan 09 20:30:27 cause you shouldn't boot at all when flashing the eMCM Jan 09 20:30:30 eMMC* Jan 09 20:30:40 you need to flash both images, then boot up Jan 09 20:31:33 So there is a difference between powering down and rebooting? Jan 09 20:31:54 no, you shouldn't do any of them between both flashes Jan 09 20:32:21 Why does the wikipage http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 say something different? Jan 09 20:33:09 I remember that the wiki page for updating the firmware was confusing to me as well Jan 09 20:33:09 After executing "flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f" it says "Text similar to the following will be displayed on the computer: " and then "Power down the N900, remove battery if necessary to do so" Jan 09 20:33:58 SpeedEvil: I am patiently waiting for another 5 minutes then :D Jan 09 20:35:32 (cur) (last) 09:05, 19 December 2010 174.31.87.107 (Talk) (24,160 bytes) (→Flashing the eMMC in the N900) (undo) Jan 09 20:36:27 Could the wiki page mean that you have to power down the N900 and power it on up so that the flasher will actually start? (IIRC the flasher will wait until you put the device into flashing mode, e.g. power cycle it with USB connector inserted and flasher running on the computer?) Jan 09 20:37:32 Tamyrlin: The emmc image was flashed already before. So the device was in flashing mode already Jan 09 20:38:02 Tamyrlin: Also according to the documentation at the wiki page Jan 09 20:38:05 Not according to the wiki Jan 09 20:38:07 "Suitable USB device not found, waiting." Jan 09 20:38:18 iirc, I started N900 in flashing mode with flasher-3.5 already running. It flashed and exited, then without disconnecting or doing anything to n900 I reran flasher-3.5 again for the other image Jan 09 20:38:50 ShadowJK: That is what I did as well IIRC Jan 09 20:39:07 ShadowJK: This is just what I did. But the second image (os) I flashed I added the -R switch to the command Jan 09 20:39:28 Oh yeah I probably did that too Jan 09 20:39:43 Then I might really have to wait couple minutes Jan 09 20:40:06 oh yes first startup can take very long Jan 09 20:40:11 If the keyboard is lighten up, could that mean the system is booting? Jan 09 20:40:42 it could.. Jan 09 20:41:12 I think I got the normal nokia logo, animated balls, and then it probably went black for a few minutes Jan 09 20:41:56 Did you remove the usb cable after flashing? Jan 09 20:41:57 I wonder who decided that it was a clever idea not to display any kind of at that point... Jan 09 20:42:04 any kind of message that is Jan 09 20:42:25 Yeah I did remove it Jan 09 20:43:08 Does the ouput of the flash process look ok for you: http://pastebin.com/bxqQ4mHi Jan 09 20:43:09 ? Jan 09 20:43:22 There are 2 flash processes ofc :D Jan 09 20:43:45 ShadowJK: Before it was booted up? Jan 09 20:44:52 I don't think I booted with usb cable connected Jan 09 20:44:58 but i dont really remember Jan 09 20:45:10 I am waiting now for 15+ minutes.. Jan 09 20:45:19 ShadowJK: Ok Jan 09 20:45:36 that's too long Jan 09 20:46:15 I unplugged it from USB cable now and give it another 5 minutes Jan 09 20:46:36 is keyboard light still on? Jan 09 20:46:41 No Jan 09 20:46:55 Its off now and the status led does not blink orange anymore Jan 09 20:54:12 I think I have sone something wrong Jan 09 20:54:24 I'm not sure if the device needs a second boot after optification Jan 09 20:54:50 I pressed the on button now and only get bricks shown as letters and only a gray panel like window Jan 09 20:54:53 it doesn't Jan 09 20:54:54 on that second boot it may enter act_dead charging Jan 09 20:55:06 ag0ny1, flash again Jan 09 20:55:13 Looks like the dialog that appears to enter the pin Jan 09 20:55:19 don't follow any sequence, screw it all, just don't use -R Jan 09 20:55:25 ag0ny1: reboot Jan 09 20:55:29 yes, flash again Jan 09 20:55:32 ag0ny1, yeah I'd reflash rootfs (fiasco) image Jan 09 20:55:37 OK... Jan 09 20:55:38 ag0ny1, no, he lost his themes Jan 09 20:55:40 err, DocScrutinizer * Jan 09 20:55:56 How do i reboot? Jan 09 20:56:02 Keep the off button pressed? Jan 09 20:56:06 hold in the powerbutton to shutdown Jan 09 20:56:07 I'd not state anything unless trying a second boot Jan 09 20:56:31 I would, he rebooted without flashing the FAISCO Jan 09 20:56:38 FIASCO Jan 09 20:57:04 yeah, the flash log he posted looked a bit odd Jan 09 20:57:21 Ok, I ended up in the same broken dialog as before after a second boot Jan 09 20:57:23 didn't see it :p Jan 09 20:57:42 reflash rotfs Jan 09 20:57:46 rootfs Jan 09 20:57:50 aka COMBINED Jan 09 20:57:52 ag0ny1, turn off the device, flash the FIASCO with the normal command, without the -R flag, then flash the eMMC again Jan 09 20:57:56 the second step Jan 09 20:58:03 he needs to flash both DocScrutinizer Jan 09 20:58:09 the flag that optification was done was set Jan 09 20:58:25 errr wut? Jan 09 20:58:32 is that flag stored on emmc? Jan 09 20:58:43 /var Jan 09 20:59:00 After turning of the device and switching it on with u pressed and then connect to the usb does end up in bright Nokia Logo, with the R&D and USB icons shown Jan 09 20:59:06 so flashing rootfs should work Jan 09 20:59:18 /var is on rootfs Jan 09 20:59:30 Is that the right state to issue the flashing commands? Jan 09 20:59:42 yes Jan 09 20:59:42 yep, sounds like the right state Jan 09 20:59:44 yes Jan 09 20:59:50 flash COMBINED image Jan 09 21:00:03 I am wondering because the screen is bright and not dark... Jan 09 21:00:12 though I'm curious, why did it take time to reboot if no optification was done Jan 09 21:00:23 ag0ny1, doesn't matter, as long as the USB icon is shown Jan 09 21:00:30 but why do you have R&D mode on? Jan 09 21:00:44 Maybe it actually stuck in mass-storage mode or something when usb was connected? Jan 09 21:00:57 Because I read it.. Jan 09 21:00:59 yep Jan 09 21:01:13 MohammadAG, he has it on? Jan 09 21:01:14 do not enable R&D mode Jan 09 21:01:38 Ah, ok...can I disable it in the current state of the device? Jan 09 21:02:01 flasher-3.5 --disable-rd-mode Jan 09 21:02:21 ShadowJK, yes, read his USB icon line Jan 09 21:02:32 ag0ny1: you say you got a second N900 available? Jan 09 21:02:34 Ok, the R&D logo disappeared... Jan 09 21:02:40 DocScrutinizer: Yes Jan 09 21:02:47 MohammadAG, ah, I missed that Jan 09 21:02:51 ok then. No problem with battery Jan 09 21:03:20 ag0ny1: do NOT use -R Jan 09 21:03:29 Ok. But I flash both images again? Jan 09 21:03:33 ag0ny1: flash, the unplug and reboot Jan 09 21:03:36 then* Jan 09 21:03:52 ag0ny1: won't hurt, eh ;-) Jan 09 21:03:57 Flash both, emmc and Fiasko? Jan 09 21:04:00 ok Jan 09 21:04:11 Ill flash emmc first then Jan 09 21:04:14 yes Jan 09 21:04:38 And between both flash operations I do nothing with the device? Jan 09 21:04:43 yes Jan 09 21:04:57 and you don't use -R on both Jan 09 21:05:19 I got the same weird output when flashing the Fiasko image... Jan 09 21:05:27 fiasco* Jan 09 21:05:29 what's the output? Jan 09 21:05:38 http://pastebin.com/ccJcMcei Jan 09 21:05:56 Thats the old log with -R, the current one looks the same though Jan 09 21:06:24 hm, was -F right for emmc Jan 09 21:06:54 And there was no progress update shown Jan 09 21:07:38 It says so at the wiki page... Jan 09 21:07:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=40780 Jan 09 21:08:04 Cool "A Long Kiss Goodnight" Jan 09 21:08:13 http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Updating_the_firmware&oldid=40780#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Jan 09 21:09:27 what's the filesize of your images? Jan 09 21:10:06 About 250 mb (emmc) and 195 mb (Fiasco) Jan 09 21:10:18 I verfied the md5sums Jan 09 21:10:24 They were correct Jan 09 21:10:30 I think that's one of the cases where NOLO locks up after flashing eMMC. I'd try to power down the device and flash the COMBINED rootfs img same way again, by booting up and holding "u" Jan 09 21:11:17 I thought I should NOT reboot between the two flashes? Jan 09 21:11:39 you STOP boot by holding 'u' key Jan 09 21:11:50 Ah, ok :D Jan 09 21:12:02 Yeah it should be fine if you enter flashing mode again Jan 09 21:12:07 NOLO bootloader does not boot the system, instead it enters flashing mode Jan 09 21:12:11 And I power down with the power off button? Jan 09 21:12:27 if that works, then yes Jan 09 21:12:28 heh, it's funny they call it NOLO Jan 09 21:12:59 FIASCO is also rather tounge in cheek Jan 09 21:13:02 it's like as if it didn't flash the os image at all, looking at yor output :/ Jan 09 21:13:17 ShadowJK: yep, exactly Jan 09 21:13:23 I got that kind of feeling as well Jan 09 21:13:27 nolo = embarassed in finnish :P Jan 09 21:13:35 If power off button is not working, can I remove the battery? Jan 09 21:13:40 Or what should I do? Jan 09 21:13:43 yes Jan 09 21:13:50 Ok Jan 09 21:14:17 then plug in device without battery, start flasher, nsert bat while holding 'u' Jan 09 21:14:36 Done Jan 09 21:14:46 And then I flash the Fiasco image? Jan 09 21:15:08 then the flasher starts flashing same moment you inser battery Jan 09 21:15:47 if you missed to start it in advance, do that now Jan 09 21:15:54 Without flashing the emmc image Jan 09 21:15:58 yes Jan 09 21:15:58 before? Jan 09 21:16:00 Ok Jan 09 21:16:26 I get the same output but with some additional and it is flashing now Jan 09 21:16:33 :-D Jan 09 21:16:44 Looks good :D Jan 09 21:16:57 What does CMT stand for? Jan 09 21:16:58 when flasher is done, unplug the device Jan 09 21:17:11 Cell Modem Telefone or sth Jan 09 21:17:23 OK Jan 09 21:17:36 it's the firmware for GSM Jan 09 21:17:42 Ah, ok :D Jan 09 21:17:53 And after unplugging the device? Jan 09 21:17:58 reboot it Jan 09 21:18:06 Cellular Modem Terminal ? Jan 09 21:18:11 Like, press the power on button? Jan 09 21:18:20 whatever it needs Jan 09 21:18:27 hehe, ok :D Jan 09 21:19:09 Ah, the moving dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black... Jan 09 21:19:17 waaaiiit Jan 09 21:19:19 It seems like I got to wait another 5 minutes :D Jan 09 21:19:21 DocScrutinizer: just to let you know : we (the n810 is her's) decided to flash (I will have some contacts to enter again ...) and try and install kde4 (as she use on her computer and pim suite is known to work) Jan 09 21:20:09 DocScrutinizer: I use the n900 battery for the flash and now use the n810 one again Jan 09 21:20:10 talineo: nice :-) Jan 09 21:20:18 kde4 is kinda heavy on 128M ram though? Jan 09 21:20:26 yeah :-D Jan 09 21:21:09 ShadowJK: this seems to be a version for tablets and the video seems not too slow Jan 09 21:21:33 and she is willing to test as it would greatly synchronisation Jan 09 21:21:43 greatly ease * Jan 09 21:22:25 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DThOHGb2rr0 Jan 09 21:25:29 hmm, have anybody tried booting n900 from sd card Jan 09 21:25:33 but just sd card Jan 09 21:25:47 with empty nand Jan 09 21:28:16 what's "empty" ? I guess you mean "empty rootfs" Jan 09 21:28:26 Waiting now for 9 minutes... Jan 09 21:28:32 Nothing happens Jan 09 21:28:46 touch the screen Jan 09 21:28:53 or the lock slider Jan 09 21:29:07 nothing happens Jan 09 21:29:23 plug in charger Jan 09 21:29:44 Hell Jan 09 21:29:47 Hello Jan 09 21:29:55 If I take the TV out cable for the N900 Jan 09 21:29:59 hellofaday Jan 09 21:30:05 And connect it to a male to female converter Jan 09 21:30:26 Can I then separate the mic and the speaker? Jan 09 21:30:40 yes Jan 09 21:30:41 TV out doesn't have mic, IIRC Jan 09 21:30:44 it does? Jan 09 21:30:48 No Jan 09 21:30:48 it doesn't Jan 09 21:30:56 But the cable goes in the same hole Jan 09 21:31:04 well, mic and CVBS are same line Jan 09 21:31:06 After plugging in the charger the nokia logo appeared (dark), the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again. But the led is flashing orange (charging) Jan 09 21:31:23 And I want a cable that lets me use a nromal gamerheadset as a handsfree Jan 09 21:31:31 power up using powerkey Jan 09 21:32:53 well, mic of such a headset has to connect to yellow RCIA plug of cable. I'm not too optimistic it will be really compatible though Jan 09 21:33:06 Nokia logo (light) appeared, the 5 dots appeared, the Nokia logo (dark) appeared, the 5 dots appeared shortly and now the screen is black again... Jan 09 21:33:24 waaaait Jan 09 21:33:28 Again :D Jan 09 21:33:33 you can check the status of what n900 detected I think .. Jan 09 21:33:47 yes Jan 09 21:33:50 DocScrutinizer: So yellow = speaker, white = sound? Now that I think about it I am quite certain it doesnt work Jan 09 21:34:02 eeh? Jan 09 21:34:21 white and red are left and right earspeaker, yellow is mic Jan 09 21:34:51 Wonder if it works... Jan 09 21:34:59 my root file system is now 10gb. how does that make you feel? Jan 09 21:35:10 Is there any professional adapter to do that? Jan 09 21:35:16 nope Jan 09 21:35:23 not afaik Jan 09 21:35:57 ag0ny1: does it say anything, or at least have a dark glow in screen? Jan 09 21:35:58 is mohhamedg here right now? Jan 09 21:36:25 ag0ny1: does it react to lock slider switch, does kbd light up when opened? Jan 09 21:36:57 hyper_noober_XL: no, but maybe MohammadAG is here Jan 09 21:37:09 DocScrutinizer: I switch off all light in the room, but the device screen did not glow. The keyboard stay dark as well... Jan 09 21:37:30 you probably switched it off then, rather than on Jan 09 21:37:57 thats what i meant! Jan 09 21:38:05 This is SO close: http://www.aliexpress.com/product-fm/329824603-Free-Shipping-3-5mm-Earphone-Adapter-with-Mic-AV0041-wholesalers.html Jan 09 21:38:07 you rang? Jan 09 21:38:16 DocScrutinizer: sorry to disturb you but you mentioned somet time ago a tool to take full backups of the n900 (still beta?) Jan 09 21:38:21 DocScrutinizer: So I turn it on again... Jan 09 21:38:25 could you relink me? can't find the link anymore Jan 09 21:38:42 yo mo Jan 09 21:38:42 there is a bug in phone-control Jan 09 21:38:46 Gh0sty: backup-menu. allegedly the version2 works now Jan 09 21:38:50 Must the backcover be mounted? Jan 09 21:39:00 ag0ny1: not really Jan 09 21:39:05 kk Jan 09 21:39:08 wifion and wifioff dont work Jan 09 21:39:45 they return an error saying 'wlan0' not found or somthing Jan 09 21:40:23 DocScrutinizer: it was not that ... Jan 09 21:40:32 i think you have included the apostrophes in your script so ifconfig is looking for 'wlan0' instead of wlan0 Jan 09 21:40:34 something eds backup thingy or something similar/> Jan 09 21:40:40 ya follow? Jan 09 21:41:07 (just for completeness ... creating a slideset for a presentation i'm giving next week about n900 & maemo) Jan 09 21:41:11 Now the 5 dots stay much longer than before. I am asked now for the pin code... Jan 09 21:41:11 can't think of anything different, except you maybe refer to standard osso backup app Jan 09 21:41:21 And the buttons look normal...the video is shown... Jan 09 21:41:34 We brought life back to the device.... Jan 09 21:41:48 DocScrutinizer: or it was not you but someone pointed me to some tool on the forum which could make images of the full N900 ... Jan 09 21:42:05 backup-menu Jan 09 21:42:10 format was not compatible with the flasher tool however ... Jan 09 21:42:13 and it was still beta Jan 09 21:42:16 yes Jan 09 21:42:41 hyper_noober_XL, hmm Jan 09 21:43:02 Gh0sty: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=754937 Jan 09 21:43:06 hyper_noober_XL, could be a typo, it was one of my first proper(?) scrripts Jan 09 21:43:08 scripts* Jan 09 21:43:10 The video is shown again... Jan 09 21:43:21 i suspect it is Jan 09 21:43:22 I think it crashed again already after the setup dialog... Jan 09 21:43:31 i h8 the new fapman icon :( Jan 09 21:43:32 and rebooted... Jan 09 21:43:35 totally badass script though Jan 09 21:43:44 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=63975 rather Jan 09 21:43:48 Now the system is fully loaded Jan 09 21:43:59 coded it while on holiday :P Jan 09 21:44:01 http://www.apexcamera.com/Headset-Buddy-PC-Headset-to-2-5mm-3-5mm-Adapter-for-Phone-Smartphone-Combo-Pack-for-2-5mm-phone-jack-or-3-5mm-jacks-on-iPhone-Blackberry-Droid-Palm-Samsung-LG-HTC-B00331S5FK.htm Jan 09 21:44:12 It exsists! Would it work with the N900? Jan 09 21:45:01 How can it be 14.95?! Jan 09 21:45:27 lolcat: yes Jan 09 21:45:29 because ripping people off is profitable? Jan 09 21:45:29 do you know if the whole wifi draining power when not unloaded bug was fixed? Jan 09 21:46:00 hmm, nope Jan 09 21:46:21 hyper_noober_XL: connection manager "fixes" it by powering down the WLAN if not needed Jan 09 21:46:27 It is a 15 cm long speakercable! Jan 09 21:46:36 hyper_noober_XL: there's no real fix for it Jan 09 21:46:56 That is a dollar a cm Jan 09 21:47:18 so i dont need wifi switcher anymore? Jan 09 21:48:05 lolcat, heh, that's not bad, check this out http://www.amazon.com/Denon-AKDL1-Dedicated-Link-Cable/dp/B000I1X6PM/ref=cm_cr_pr_pb_t Jan 09 21:48:21 bottom line: you can charge whatever people will pay you Jan 09 21:48:40 joga: Seen it a while ago Jan 09 21:48:46 Love the commenst though Jan 09 21:48:49 :) Jan 09 21:49:07 ag0ny1: all well now? Jan 09 21:49:18 If I were good with wires Id just buy a long cable from deal extreme and patch it myself... Jan 09 21:49:39 Do I have to install some graphic driver? The gui is reacting really slow Jan 09 21:50:18 it will get better when background cruft (named trackerd) has finished hogging resources Jan 09 21:50:27 no driver Jan 09 21:50:49 ok. Then its about time to find what the cause crashing the device... Jan 09 21:50:55 :D Jan 09 21:51:08 this can take up to 30min or more, depending on your data on uSD and MyDocs Jan 09 21:51:09 Ill run down the list of notes I took before and the list of hrw Jan 09 21:51:23 DocScrutinizer: Thanks Jan 09 21:51:26 yw Jan 09 21:51:28 Soooo, do i still need wifi switcher?? Jan 09 21:51:55 vi__: aiui not Jan 09 21:53:05 aiui not? Jan 09 21:53:08 WLAN chip is NOT eating batery when associated to a AP and in powersavings mode, or when drivers are unloaded and chip down. AIUI connection manager takes care to reach one of those states most of the time Jan 09 21:53:28 ~aiui Jan 09 21:53:29 hmm... aiui is As I Understand It Jan 09 21:54:03 hmm Jan 09 21:54:09 DocScrutinizer: indeed it was backupmenu Jan 09 21:54:17 but there is backupmenu and backup-menu ? :p Jan 09 21:54:23 if however you are running apps like wifi-eye, then odds are your battery is empty after 3h Jan 09 21:54:24 or is it the same? :/ Jan 09 21:54:44 I guess it's the same Jan 09 21:54:57 maybe V1 and V2 Jan 09 21:55:29 V1 is STRONGLY deprecated Jan 09 21:55:31 so, my original question still stands...do i still need wifi switcher? Jan 09 21:55:54 hyper_noober_XL: didn't I answer that with "no"? Jan 09 21:57:24 DocScrutinizer: Maybe he wants a full sentence... Jan 09 21:57:30 hmm, obviously not. So the answer is "probably you do not need wifi switcher anymore" Jan 09 21:57:34 hyper_noober_XL: No, you do not need wifi switcher. Jan 09 21:59:50 * nomis does not get what this apt-worker is doing with all the cpu time. Jan 09 22:00:03 hehehe Jan 09 22:01:08 nomis, dirty things behind closed doors Jan 09 22:01:18 probably it's not apt-worker but actually apt-get updating cache and database Jan 09 22:02:16 DocScrutinizer: dunno, top shows apt-worker as the guilty one. Jan 09 22:03:47 * nomis does not get what the problem is that other people have with my tvbgone-applet. Jan 09 22:04:43 that just sends poweroff ir codes for all kinds of tvs, right? Jan 09 22:05:14 yes Jan 09 22:05:49 well then i dunno whats wrong with it either :) Jan 09 22:06:16 it is the first time i have used irda in about 8 years! Jan 09 22:06:26 this isn't irda Jan 09 22:06:31 it's just ir Jan 09 22:06:43 I have two reports that the desktop stopped responding upon installation. And it absolutely does not happen for me. Jan 09 22:06:50 oh Jan 09 22:06:53 these two had to reboot to fix it. Jan 09 22:07:08 (apparently it then worked) Jan 09 22:07:48 * talineo (while installing kde4) wonder if the fact that using a alternative OS on the internal SD reduces its lifespan ? Jan 09 22:10:08 well it is an irda port Jan 09 22:10:25 therefore it is irda Jan 09 22:11:43 hyper_noober_XL: it's not irda port Jan 09 22:11:57 hyper_noober_XL: irda requires two way communication Jan 09 22:12:22 this is CIR Jan 09 22:12:44 nomis: it doesn't work Jan 09 22:12:49 nomis: i tried it on one tv Jan 09 22:12:54 nomis: it worked once Jan 09 22:12:57 nomis: and never again Jan 09 22:13:06 well you sure showed me Jan 09 22:13:09 -_- Jan 09 22:14:25 jacekowski: huh. Jan 09 22:14:35 jacekowski: does the IR-LED blink? Jan 09 22:15:47 look at it through a camera phone and you might be able to see it Jan 09 22:19:04 or a digital still/video camera or anything else with a ccd Jan 09 22:21:28 hmm...I did the update to pr1.3 with flasher and started restoring from backup...now it's been at "Installing 'Catorise'" for about half an hour Jan 09 22:22:01 I can ssh into it and top doesn't show anything much happening Jan 09 22:22:10 something I should do? Jan 09 22:23:05 the LED doesn't blink when I attach the cable, power button single press doesn't do anything...can't get to dashboard Jan 09 22:25:04 hmm...now that the display went off, the led lights up (green, it's fully charged) Jan 09 22:25:07 catorise is messing with hildon desktop or applauncher or sth. I'd not be surprised to find it locking the desktop and needing a reboot Jan 09 22:25:33 you might do a killall hildon-desktop though Jan 09 22:25:49 hmm...worth a try Jan 09 22:25:56 without warranties Jan 09 22:25:59 :) Jan 09 22:26:19 I'm not sure if it can continue restoring apps after reboot so I'll try something else first Jan 09 22:27:14 you could start over again, this time maybe deselecting catorise Jan 09 22:28:00 if all else fails, yes Jan 09 22:28:28 DocScrutinizer: Catorise doesn't mess with hildon-desktop or applauncher or sth. Jan 09 22:28:50 hmm, dunno then Jan 09 22:28:54 DocScrutinizer: There *is* a hildon-desktop bug about a continual ~6% CPU usage when using sub-menus in PR1.2 (IIRC) or later. Jan 09 22:29:14 yes, but that won't freeze the system Jan 09 22:29:14 DocScrutinizer: Fixed in the HEAD and there are CSSU and standalone versions of h-d which can be installed to remove it. Jan 09 22:29:19 Indeed. Jan 09 22:29:38 hi btw Jan 09 22:30:00 * Jaffa 's going to bed now :-) Jan 09 22:33:11 lcuk: some old philosophy text. Jan 09 22:33:24 My boss just pulled it out, didn't really see much of it. Jan 09 22:33:27 ? Jan 09 22:33:30 ahh Jan 09 22:33:34 i meant the book spine itself Jan 09 22:34:13 * lcuk curls up behind the boiler for the night Jan 09 22:34:17 nite \o Jan 09 22:35:18 uh, boiler alert. Jan 09 22:39:36 hi all, anyone got sync working with fennec 4b3? Jan 09 22:40:13 Saviq: it worked for some time, but doesn't work right now Jan 09 22:40:37 Venemo: you using mozila's servers or a custom one? Jan 09 22:40:59 Saviq: mozilla's Jan 09 22:44:18 err...I can't uncheck catorise, it's simply not there in the list when restore asks what apps to put back Jan 09 22:48:04 did you hear of that japanese guy who translated an x86 game to ARM? Jan 09 22:48:06 http://www.gp32x.com/board/index.php?/topic/39437-albion/ albion Jan 09 22:49:15 is there a non-scratchbox toolchain for the n900? Jan 09 22:49:25 apparently catorise is installed anyway... Jan 09 22:54:08 Is the faster application manager know to cause any problems, like random reboots? Jan 09 22:57:32 nope Jan 09 22:57:57 ahm, there's fapman :) Jan 09 22:58:14 (Faster application manager) Jan 09 22:58:37 and for the record, i like the old icon better :P Jan 09 22:58:50 something about fapman was so odd I deinstalled it after <15min. Can't remember what it was Jan 09 22:59:22 fap fap fap Jan 09 22:59:42 VladNistor, replace it Jan 09 23:00:12 we need an actual fapman Jan 09 23:01:09 Well, my Qt/GLES2 code works on both desktop and mobile :) Jan 09 23:01:10 Heya Mohammad Jan 09 23:01:13 For the records. I still have random reboots :( Jan 09 23:01:15 Including my shaders :) Jan 09 23:01:22 moo alterego Jan 09 23:01:24 So I guess I have to send the device back in... Jan 09 23:01:33 Hey RST38h :) Jan 09 23:01:38 and ask for an replacement Jan 09 23:02:04 MohammadAG, yeah, i was considering that :) Jan 09 23:02:53 hey RST38h Jan 09 23:03:06 alterego, so when should we expect the fapman? :P Jan 09 23:03:17 MohammadAG: ? Jan 09 23:03:27 I'm not doing any package management :P Jan 09 23:03:55 Just wanted to spend some time playing with Qt & GLES2. Jan 09 23:04:02 alterego, not that meaning of fap Jan 09 23:04:26 * MohammadAG hands alterego a backscroll reader and a sarcasm detector Jan 09 23:04:39 Coming up with the framework I'm going to use to make Columbus' next gen track view widget :) Jan 09 23:04:47 MohammadAG http://static.funnyjunk.com/pictures/5th_comic0.png Jan 09 23:06:37 joga, the internet's one f'd up place :p Jan 09 23:10:07 grr...I think I'll just reflash and try again, 2nd attempt at restore failed installing mobile maps and stopped there Jan 09 23:10:22 maybe this time I can unselect catorise... Jan 09 23:12:07 on a side note, I think it's strange that I didn't find any official looking instructions on nokia's web page on how to do an upgrade on linux Jan 09 23:12:38 it just tells you to download the windows proggy like it's your only choice Jan 09 23:12:54 the windows program just reflahes Jan 09 23:12:57 it doesn't do an upgrade Jan 09 23:13:09 umm... Jan 09 23:13:32 I mean, if I had pr 1.2, then I flash it, then I have 1.3, couldn't that be called an upgrade? Jan 09 23:13:42 sure Jan 09 23:13:55 I guess I mean seamless upgrade where you don't lose apps or settings Jan 09 23:14:16 <_llll_> upgrade and "reinstall at a newer version" not quite the same thing Jan 09 23:14:38 yeah...well I would have done that but I don't think I could have had many programs installed for it to work, never could free up enough space Jan 09 23:15:24 _llll_, if you try OTA, it tells you to use pc suite to do it. so is it any different then? Jan 09 23:16:04 I do understand the technical difference of flashing an image and updating packages, but I'm just saying that they should have at least linked to maemo wiki or something Jan 09 23:17:25 <_llll_> joga: my phone upgraded 1.2 to 1.3 OTA, no sintructions needed really Jan 09 23:17:43 i used aptitude :) Jan 09 23:17:44 _llll_, I wish mine could have also Jan 09 23:19:28 what triggers a rescan of the hildon-home .desktop files? Jan 09 23:20:07 kill -HUP seems a bit drastic... Jan 09 23:22:15 snif have no luck today Jan 09 23:22:40 seems like the kde4 repos for n810 are not available :/ Jan 09 23:22:52 nomis, ionotify Jan 09 23:22:58 ie any file that changes Jan 09 23:27:44 mhm, ok. But when installing a desktop applet, do I have to control the order the files are unpacked then? I.e. first the library (or python script) and then the accompanying .desktop file? Jan 09 23:28:22 nope Jan 09 23:29:32 the thing is, that I don't see a consistent behaviour. Sometimes the plugin appears upon installation, sometimes not. Jan 09 23:29:50 right now the plugin doesn't seem to get loaded. Jan 09 23:30:23 and kill -HUP'ing the hildon-home processes makes the widget-menu entry appear. Jan 09 23:30:41 so in *principle* everything seems ok, but it does not get autoloaded upon installation. Jan 09 23:33:57 * alterego wonders if there's a way to reduce tearing in gles under maemo Jan 09 23:34:09 Can I do software vsync of some kind? Jan 09 23:38:36 does gles provide for that alterego Jan 09 23:39:11 what gles thing are you doing? Jan 09 23:40:16 pupnik: just playing at the moment, trying to get a good framework which mixes Qt, QtQuick/QML & OpenGL Jan 09 23:40:35 Aiming for my 3D track view replacement for Columbus. Jan 09 23:41:27 gles doesn't have any hardware syncing stuff, it should be handled by the OS Jan 09 23:43:23 we could make an openstreetmap racing game Jan 09 23:43:43 Heh :J Jan 09 23:44:33 well.. take some existing racing game perhaps Jan 09 23:44:57 and make an osm plugin that lets you define tracks from a subset of the data Jan 10 01:36:14 Hm, printing the GPS lat/long to console, ideas? Jan 10 01:44:40 lucent: I can't believe I'm going to say this. The python location library and a tiny script. Jan 10 01:45:53 http://faux.uwcs.co.uk/loc.py is the code I stole from somewhere. Jan 10 01:46:22 there's an example script at: http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Using_Location_API Jan 10 01:46:33 FauxFaux: that is helpful, thank you Jan 10 01:46:48 I found some info already, looking for more examples is great Jan 10 01:46:50 Looks entirely identical to mine but with comments, MrBawb. :) Jan 10 01:47:03 yup, that's it Jan 10 01:47:19 I misplaced (and found!) my N900 recently, but I do not have SMS text messaging enabled at the carrier level Jan 10 01:47:29 so... gotta get creative Jan 10 01:48:12 Is turning on SMS expensive? Jan 10 01:48:21 here it's an extra $10 / month Jan 10 01:48:40 Ow. Jan 10 01:48:51 * SpeedEvil hugs t-mobile.uk. Jan 10 01:49:01 I'm with T-Mobile in the US Jan 10 01:49:09 what's your plan like? Jan 10 01:49:09 Really? What the hell. Jan 10 01:49:20 you have a voice-only plan then? Jan 10 01:49:31 * FauxFaux gets free unlimited internet, free landline calls, 100 sms and 100 minutes anywhere for £10 ($17) a month. ¬_¬ Jan 10 01:49:38 voice-only with $10/month add-on internet, I pay 39.99usd and that's like $45.66 after taxes Jan 10 01:49:43 lucent: I am on pay-as-you-go - with no contract - and have paid 20 quid ($35) to get 6 mo of internet @1G/mo Jan 10 01:50:04 SMSs and voice are moderately expensive, but available. Jan 10 01:50:07 wtf, wow really? I'm paying too much Jan 10 01:50:28 (That's sim-only, though.) Jan 10 01:50:37 Sim-only here too. Jan 10 01:51:11 You're probably paying $45*18 months == $800 for a $500 'phone, too. :) Jan 10 01:51:35 me? I bought my N900 outright, so I guess I am SIM-only? Jan 10 01:51:46 no contract here Jan 10 01:52:04 wonder whether I could get a better deal in the USA and still use call-forwarding for Google Voice Jan 10 01:52:26 the trouble I had with prepaid month-to-month was it was technically impossible to set up call forwarding Jan 10 01:53:07 if you can get everyone to call google voice, they'll do the forwarding Jan 10 01:53:15 There seems to be lots of that. Jan 10 01:53:38 good point, in fact. Jan 10 01:53:39 'Oh - this plan is a bargain - but you can't call numbers that aren't prime' Jan 10 01:54:13 (ha! prime as in mathematics?) Jan 10 01:54:14 alterego: Tried Columbus. Dumps core after ~3-5 minutes of operaion Jan 10 01:54:16 I've changed over to use google voice's voicemail, handy Jan 10 01:57:07 MrBawb: do you have text transcription enabled? I find some of the attempts amusing Jan 10 01:57:22 yes, it's quite bad Jan 10 01:57:44 "A rock, hello. Pudding cops ground salad to work today. Thanks. Bye bye bye." Jan 10 01:58:00 heh Jan 10 01:58:13 example: "You hello. Hello. Hey, okay. Hello. Bye bye. Hello, bye. Hello. Hello, bye. Hello, is okay. Hello. Hello. So sister. Good Morning, How are you Hello bye bye, bye. It. Thanks. Yeah, Hello Hello. Hello. So" Jan 10 01:58:32 that's it Jan 10 01:59:17 for now what I'm doing is forwarding SMS messages to the email address which gets pushed to my N900 Jan 10 01:59:37 I can receive and reply via email client, which Google Voice handles Jan 10 01:59:52 oh, I didn't know it could do email Jan 10 01:59:58 handy Jan 10 02:00:48 well, T-Mobile insists to charge me $4.99usd/mo for "Family Usage" plan if I want whitelisting SMS text message phone numbers feature Jan 10 02:01:40 I'm not paying extra for something as technically simple as SMS. It's amazing to hear you guys pay less than $20usd/mo Jan 10 02:10:07 another topic, following all the guides I've seen I am still unable to get the N900 SDK going to compile some extra kernel modules Jan 10 02:10:16 looking for some usb-to-serial module Jan 10 02:51:48 finally! USB male/female charging adapter http://www.dealextreme.com/details.dx/sku.47088 Jan 10 02:53:14 Umm... Jan 10 02:53:19 what do you think that does? Jan 10 02:53:31 That is - why isn't it a 20cm normal cable Jan 10 02:53:48 this looks like a shorter version of the cable that came with n900 Jan 10 02:54:00 er Jan 10 02:54:24 Oh - right Jan 10 02:54:32 I missed the charger/data switch Jan 10 02:54:36 yeah Jan 10 02:54:48 It looks like it pretends to be a dumb charger to the device, though plugged into a host Jan 10 02:55:39 whatcha need that for? if you ignore the connection type the n900 reverts to charge only Jan 10 02:56:33 yes. Jan 10 02:56:44 Maybe connecting to dumb chargers that don't signal that they're chargers Jan 10 02:56:44 That's not quite true. Jan 10 02:56:49 what I want is a plug for the mains into which I can plug the n900 data/charger cable Jan 10 02:57:01 If you connect it to a loaded hub, then the above device will let you overload the hub. Jan 10 02:57:06 The n900 won't. Jan 10 02:57:24 jpinx-eeepc: any 'USB charger' Jan 10 02:57:31 jpinx-eeepc: I'm liking my amazon kindle plug Jan 10 02:57:43 jpinx-eeepc: I forget - are you in the UK? Jan 10 02:58:00 SpeedEvil: I thought the n900 came with a "magic" cherger Jan 10 02:58:10 SpeedEvil: thai Jan 10 02:58:15 http://www.amazon.co.uk/Amazon-Kindle-United-Kingdom-Adapter/dp/B002Y27P6E/ref=sr_1_2?ie=UTF8&qid=1294628027&sr=8-2 Jan 10 02:58:18 no it's not magic Jan 10 02:58:23 jpinx-eeepc: nope Jan 10 02:58:35 jpinx-eeepc: it's a standard - admittedly a newish (2 years?) standard. Jan 10 02:58:57 The above is regrettably expensive. Jan 10 02:59:10 The new HTC and ZTE devices with microusb charging can charge from the nokia charge and other way around :) Jan 10 02:59:13 Tehre are much cheaper ones that look identical which come with reviews of them exploding. Jan 10 02:59:14 cool -- I can buy a simple mains-plug/usb-socket thingy then ;) Jan 10 02:59:54 there was a ton of crap made before the standardization though ;/ **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Jan 10 02:59:58 2011