**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Jan 12 02:59:58 2011 Jan 12 03:00:26 sensing a Harry Potter reference in this one Jan 12 03:01:07 I have a pretty nice solar panel, how to regulate the voltage from it though Jan 12 03:01:19 want to charge USB devices (N900) on the go Jan 12 03:01:34 nominal I think is 21V at 3.0A Jan 12 03:03:06 A SMPS of some form. Jan 12 03:03:41 You want a SMPS that can take the peak unloaded voltage - which would be probably 32V or something, and make it 5V@1A or so. Jan 12 03:03:51 Can you work a soldering iron? Jan 12 03:04:38 ah, yes Jan 12 03:04:45 need to research, what is "SMPS" Jan 12 03:05:09 Switch Mode Power Supply Jan 12 03:05:12 ah Jan 12 03:05:42 * MohammadAG screwed with his physics teacher once and connected a LED to his N900's usb port Jan 12 03:05:46 that's a really neat idea you've got Jan 12 03:06:20 MohammadAG: ? Jan 12 03:06:32 lucent: where are you in the world? Jan 12 03:06:50 powered a LED from the N900's USB Jan 12 03:07:10 instead of getting it powered throgh some similar power supply Jan 12 03:07:17 SpeedEvil: USA located. I've got a really nice portable solar panel, and currently an AGM lead acid battery ... not very portable Jan 12 03:07:37 lucent: If you leave the battery in circuit, it's easy. Jan 12 03:07:58 yeah that's true. If I want to backpack with this setup though, that AGM weighs 26lbs Jan 12 03:08:16 not gonna happen! what do you think? LiPo ? Jan 12 03:08:38 * nox- doubts youd need that big a solar panel anyway to charge a phone Jan 12 03:09:01 (unless you need it for other stuff too :) Jan 12 03:09:49 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=TPS5450EVM-254-ND - looks reasonable Jan 12 03:09:51 bbl Jan 12 03:09:58 very true nox- and I'm not "in need" of a solar panel, it's like I could have a plain old rotary telephone but naw, I've got a N900. What's up? :) Jan 12 03:10:09 hehe Jan 12 03:10:09 31V in may be a bit low though Jan 12 03:10:32 SpeedEvil: gotta find spec sheet, it's a Global Solar P3 62W Jan 12 03:10:58 oh wow, $10.20 usd not outrageous, add a case... hmm Jan 12 03:11:13 http://search.digikey.com/scripts/DkSearch/dksus.dll?Detail&name=296-21156-ND ah - that's 36V - probably more comfortable Jan 12 03:11:32 I would add a 1.5A quick-blow fuse. Jan 12 03:12:24 SpeedEvil: drifting off topic! you have experience with "anderson powerpole" connectors? Jan 12 03:15:05 none. Jan 12 03:15:08 ##electronics Jan 12 03:15:12 thanks for the help Jan 12 03:15:19 May be of use. Jan 12 03:16:05 linear -> SMPS or a huge battery to boil off stuff Jan 12 03:16:37 the above module is a really good fit actually Jan 12 03:16:38 think I will still need a battery, though. Jan 12 03:17:00 you need a battery charger of some form Jan 12 03:17:02 Panel spec sheet says Open Circuit Voltage 28VDC @ 4.2A Jan 12 03:17:13 err.. sorry 4.2A is short circuit current Jan 12 03:17:14 open circuit voltage is at 0 current Jan 12 03:17:24 or get a charge controller Jan 12 03:17:38 anyway - ##electronics Jan 12 03:17:44 right. Jan 12 03:32:04 signal sender=:1.12 -> dest=(null destination) serial=5746 path=/org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/usb_device_1d6b_2_musb_hdrc; interface=org.freedesktop.Hal.Device; member=PropertyModified Jan 12 03:32:16 is sent over dbus when a charger is connected Jan 12 03:32:19 bme is off Jan 12 03:32:34 might be useful, so i'll drop that here Jan 12 04:09:41 what's the safe way to install uboot on the n900 with the power kernel? Jan 12 04:12:20 i'm having some MAJOR trouble trying to reflash my N900 Jan 12 04:12:23 can anyone help? Jan 12 04:12:24 please? Jan 12 04:12:38 oscillik: Not without any details FUUUUUUUUUU. Jan 12 04:12:39 what problems Jan 12 04:12:41 ~`flashing Jan 12 04:12:43 ~flashing Jan 12 04:12:44 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 12 04:13:20 followed the steps on the wiki to the letter for reflashing the eMMC first and then the FIASCO image Jan 12 04:13:50 AND?! Jan 12 04:14:03 THEN WHAT?! Do tell us. The suspense is killing me. Jan 12 04:14:17 it flashes the eMMC fine, when i try flashing the FIASCO image it goes through really quick and then just ends at the commandline with "using flashing protocol Mk II" Jan 12 04:14:35 dumps me back to command prompt, and the N900 is left looking like this Jan 12 04:17:01 (trying to upload the picture) Jan 12 04:18:46 http://lh3.ggpht.com/_CvIbzjVKOmM/TS0qiAklPrI/AAAAAAAACcw/WW_VWiQWl_k/s800/IMG_20110112_041031.jpg Jan 12 04:20:35 and here's a pastebin of the output i get on the terminal on my computer Jan 12 04:20:51 http://pastebin.com/PZy9UBdg Jan 12 04:21:19 off Jan 12 04:21:20 odd Jan 12 04:21:31 oscillik, flash FIASCO then eMMC Jan 12 04:21:42 I really was against changing the sequence in the wiki Jan 12 04:21:45 MohammadAG: that goes directly against what the wiki says Jan 12 04:21:54 since flashing the eMMC requires a different flashing mode Jan 12 04:21:58 oscillik, the wiki is fucked up Jan 12 04:22:02 you've tried rebooting? Jan 12 04:22:03 flash FIASCO then eMMC Jan 12 04:22:13 SpeedEvil, he shouldn't reboot in between flashes Jan 12 04:22:47 ignore the wiki, flash the fiasco, then flash the eMMC Jan 12 04:22:58 do not use -R Jan 12 04:23:38 trying now Jan 12 04:23:55 * MohammadAG pets ubuntu Jan 12 04:24:05 * MohammadAG hides Windows from boot selection menu Jan 12 04:26:41 i think that's worked now, thanks MohammadAG Jan 12 04:26:46 was having a panic attack Jan 12 04:26:55 don't worry, you can't brick the N900 Jan 12 04:27:00 (easily) Jan 12 04:33:11 * oscillik uses Crunchbang Linux on his laptop Jan 12 04:33:13 :D Jan 12 05:07:08 ...Well, -this- is interesting. One of my disks apparently has a bad block at LBA 1250259400. Problem is, my last partition only goes to 1250258624 and the last sector I can write with DD is 1250259399 - one sector less. Jan 12 05:09:34 dd stops at first error by default Jan 12 05:10:19 Thing is, on -earlier- bad sectors, I was able to write zeros to it and all was fine. Jan 12 05:10:35 (I'm assuming the HD reallocates it if needed) Jan 12 05:15:52 Hm... Maby with badblocks... Jan 12 05:20:53 MohammadAG: stop telling BS and start to support your concerns with some facts! What's your concern with the new sequence? I never heard of a "different flashing mode", please elaborate. The "do not use -R - DO NOT BOOT" part is stated in the wiki at least 5 times Jan 12 05:21:50 DocScrutinizer, I'm not telling BS Jan 12 05:22:02 flashing the eMMC is not done in the same flashing mode as the rootfs Jan 12 05:22:28 feel free to try it, I also failed to flash eMMC first then FIASCO Jan 12 05:22:34 so what? (even if that were true) Jan 12 05:23:26 the N900 can switch from the first flashing mode to the second, but not vice versa Jan 12 05:23:28 for some reason Jan 12 05:28:07 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Updating_.26_Flashing_your_device >>[f you are flashing the N900 with the eMMC image, follow the instructions below. Also see troubleshooting section, bullet 6:"If you cannot establish..."]<<, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 >>When flashing the eMMC content, always flash the eMMC/VANILLA image first, and then flash the FIASCO/Rootfs image. Jan 12 05:28:09 Do not boot up the device between the two i.e do NOT use the -R parameter at the end! Rationale: on accidental booting in between the 2 flash processes, the sequence formerly suggested (rootfs first) will result in a broken system. The sequence "eMMC first, then rootfs" is checked back with Nokia affiliates and is proven to work. The former advice on tablets-dev.nokia.com was not based on any facts for the recent eMMC VANILLA image. It's Jan 12 05:28:10 fixed now and in line with this wiki]<< >>if you don't get proper message "Image(s) flashed successfully in 27.821 s (9199 kB/s)!" after flashing the rootfs finished, please refer to bullet "If you cannot establish a connection with N900..." in troubleshooting section below.<< http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting ::>> Insert battery while holding "u" key. You can release the key as soon as screen turns Jan 12 05:28:12 on and shows the USB logo. Flashing shall start automatically. (after flashing has finished, remove battery ->(1.) 2.) Repeat same procedure for each image to flash (sequence: eMMC first, then rootfs). So far this procedure always worked, given your PC side has no problems.<< Jan 12 05:29:53 The above image could be useful for 'this is what your n900 will look like if you do it wrong Jan 12 05:30:26 yeah Jan 12 05:31:46 mornign Jan 12 05:32:58 DocScrutinizer, I'm just stating my experience Jan 12 05:37:27 and telling "the wiki is wrong, don't use -R" is nonsense. in fact if oscilik had followed the wiki, he hadn't faced any problems Jan 12 05:37:32 NOLO is known to sometimes not resume properly from a flashing process. I don't think that's exactly depending on sequence of imgs that get flashed. And even if it were, the remove-battery method is more clumsy but absolutely foolproof, while the rootfs_then_eMMC method is maybe nifty and convenient but highly prone to do it wrong Jan 12 05:38:01 i think i'd prefer n9 to run maemo5, just faster. even with all that bugs unfixed. i am afraid too many things will get broken :-/ Jan 12 05:39:53 (...known to sometimes not resume) guess why all the flasher examples from Nokia always had the -R, though that's actually not meant to be used unless you flash a new NOLO, according to flasher README Jan 12 05:39:56 DocScrutinizer, dude, did you ever flash eMMC then fiasco or are you basing off assumptions? Jan 12 05:40:10 one would assume flashing both ways doesn't matter, but it fails from eMMC to FAISCO Jan 12 05:41:01 dude, have you never seen it failing when doing FIACO to eMMC? Jan 12 05:41:17 no, if done properly Jan 12 05:41:27 hahaha Jan 12 05:41:35 that's a good one, yeah Jan 12 05:42:27 no seriously Jan 12 05:42:31 MohammadAG: ive never seen anything done properly fail Jan 12 05:42:31 ;D Jan 12 05:42:58 frals, :P Jan 12 05:44:25 the fact that http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting bullet 6. is merely virtually impossible to do anything wrong makes all debates about rootfs-first a moot exercise Jan 12 05:55:36 javispedro seems to never be around irc now Jan 12 05:55:42 (good for him) Jan 12 06:23:13 hello world Jan 12 06:23:43 * timeless_xchat made it to the first flight (which is probably going to depart late) Jan 12 06:25:44 Congrats! Jan 12 06:26:05 * SpeedEvil has been spending the last month missing public transport. Jan 12 06:26:13 Though mostly busses in my case. Jan 12 06:26:21 Well - entirely busses. Jan 12 06:27:54 missing? Jan 12 06:28:00 that sounds awkward Jan 12 06:29:24 getting on wrong bus, etc. Jan 12 06:33:08 bye Jan 12 06:34:46 wave Jan 12 08:03:16 is there a profile changer widget available for maemo? Jan 12 08:40:04 best youtube video in a long time: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AhO-qMeMjtA Jan 12 08:41:14 crashanddie, bring forth The Holy Hand Grenade of Antioch Jan 12 08:42:11 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xOrgLj9lOwk Jan 12 09:02:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Jimmy_Carter_rabbit_incident Jan 12 09:18:42 nice SpeedEvil :) Jan 12 09:23:07 Morning, all Jan 12 10:02:06 'ello Jan 12 10:50:33 Hi dudes Jan 12 10:51:40 Did someone eever had tthis problem when booting meego, got stuck on mtdroop ready (n of n+1) and each boot n increments Jan 12 10:55:50 KevinB: ask in #meego-arm Jan 12 11:01:29 alterego, would #ifdef ! Q_WS_MAEMO_5 work? Jan 12 11:01:45 away from an IDE, fixing code using wordpad :/ Jan 12 11:02:15 alterego, hey Jan 12 11:02:45 MohammadAG: do you believe that IDE is essential for bug finding and if so, why? Jan 12 11:02:50 alterego, is your gl enabled app "ugly" ? Jan 12 11:03:33 MohammadAG: what debugger do u use and do you prefer gui over non gui? Jan 12 11:03:42 Dassu, no, I don't Jan 12 11:03:58 gdb, use it over ssh most of the times, in Qt Creator other times Jan 12 11:04:07 is this an interview? Jan 12 11:04:07 alterego, my app is ugly and slow with opengl and pretty and fast without. I'm doing something wrong. Jan 12 11:04:08 :P Jan 12 11:04:09 kk Jan 12 11:04:22 LOL MohammadAG :D Jan 12 11:22:51 hi there Jan 12 11:26:15 is there still only OpenGL ES support or also to the standard OpenGL ? Jan 12 11:26:57 dany: Only ES, standard OpenGL will never happen. Jan 12 11:27:12 X-Fade, Can I ask you why? Jan 12 11:27:21 dany: Hardware doesn't support it. Jan 12 11:27:33 X-Fade, uhm damn it Jan 12 11:27:39 I have this error: Jan 12 11:27:58 /usr/include/GL/freeglut_std.h:115:20: error: GL/glu.h: No such file or directory Jan 12 11:28:04 All mobile hardware does ES, there is a trend of everything moving to ES as lowest. Jan 12 11:28:12 so are you saying that is not possible to solve it? Jan 12 11:28:14 dany: Forget that. You need to change code. Jan 12 11:28:45 dany, OpenGL API is to complicated. simplified OpenGL ES can do the same and more, so why bother. even desktop OpenGL is going the same route. Jan 12 11:29:10 X-Fade, so I have to change the code and use the ES version? Jan 12 11:29:10 dany: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES Jan 12 11:29:23 ieatlint: package arrived ty Jan 12 11:29:49 thanks guys Jan 12 11:29:54 ah one last thing Jan 12 11:30:21 if I have a program in standard OpenGL, how much is it hard to port to OpenGL ES? Jan 12 11:30:48 DocScrutinizer: will try to make it to the post office today Jan 12 11:30:55 dany: Check that page ;) Jan 12 11:31:18 kk Jan 12 11:31:19 thxx Jan 12 11:34:23 ieatlint: was there one more to ship in europe/germany as you sent 6? Jan 12 11:34:58 DocScrutinizer: 1 or 2 for you? Jan 12 11:35:27 I tried to install the es version but I got: Package opengles-sgx-img-common-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package. Jan 12 11:35:27 This may mean that the package is missing, has been obsoleted, or Jan 12 11:35:27 is only available from another source Jan 12 11:35:49 and the same fot the other apt-get commands Jan 12 11:36:02 dany: maybe in a repo you have not setup or is not set active Jan 12 11:36:40 uhm Jan 12 11:36:47 look at maemo.org/packages/ for details where they are in Jan 12 11:36:54 strange Jan 12 11:37:38 kk Jan 12 11:37:40 cheers Jan 12 11:37:55 * chem|st got struck by nvidia 32bit lightning while upgrading 64bit kernel modules Jan 12 11:38:35 chem|st: spoke to ieatlint lastnight :P Jan 12 11:38:46 Think you may have missed him though Jan 12 11:38:55 does someone use "FM RDS Notify" ? Jan 12 11:39:10 I'm sure someone does .. Jan 12 11:39:42 the repository is this: Fremantle Nokia-binaries explicit armel .Is there any website where I can find the exact string to write in the sources.list? Jan 12 11:39:45 does it stream music into car radio ? Jan 12 11:40:43 dany: you've deleted your default catalogues? Jan 12 11:41:11 alterego: well he might not be up yet ;) Jan 12 11:41:42 alterego, I'm using scratchbox right now Jan 12 11:41:47 not the nokia Jan 12 11:42:14 dany: Accept this and you'll get the string http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/eula/index.php Jan 12 11:42:22 Chiku01: music tags you mean?! and I don't know but the details tell it should do Jan 12 11:43:05 dany: ah, well you need to run the nokia proprietary installer script to get the sources.list entries Jan 12 11:43:10 sandst1, that is only for the nokia binaries.. I need another repository Jan 12 11:43:15 dany: ookay Jan 12 11:43:21 Oh yeah, that too. Jan 12 11:43:32 alterego, I did it Jan 12 11:44:29 chem|st, not only tags, as fm music emmitter from N900 Jan 12 11:47:09 no one? Jan 12 11:47:48 Chiku01: th RDS notifyer does not send anything but RDS Jan 12 11:48:15 dany: repositories are listed in the wiki... Jan 12 11:48:23 ~repositories Jan 12 11:48:23 repositories are frequently old. Jan 12 11:48:34 botsnack Jan 12 11:48:38 ~botsnack Jan 12 11:48:38 chem|st: thanks Jan 12 11:49:04 ~$50 Jan 12 11:49:05 * infobot takes the cash and sucks mohammadag off Jan 12 11:50:30 Woof Jan 12 11:50:35 i was just commenting on the utility of women Jan 12 11:51:06 pipnuk, stfu Jan 12 11:51:27 i didn't write that 'clever' infobot line Jan 12 11:51:41 ~striptease Jan 12 11:51:42 Hoogah Hoogah wah wah *takes of the box* *dances around showing of the cpu and memory* Ah yeah you likey my little HD no? Jan 12 11:52:13 ~bj pipnuk Jan 12 11:52:18 aww :( Jan 12 11:52:20 pipnuk: not everything sucking you off is a woman Jan 12 11:52:47 vampires, vacuums, black holes, men. Jan 12 11:52:54 robots Jan 12 11:53:04 a fleshlight Jan 12 11:53:11 hehe Jan 12 11:55:11 I think my accel is broken :H Jan 12 11:55:37 Oh, started working again. Jan 12 11:55:39 nvm Jan 12 12:01:19 cehteh: do you want one of those magnetic stripe readers? Jan 12 12:01:59 cehteh: would at least be a reason for a meetup some day ;) Jan 12 12:02:32 ~seen DocScrutinizer Jan 12 12:02:38 docscrutinizer is currently on #maemo (6h 25m 54s) #meego (6h 25m 54s) #openmoko (6h 25m 54s) #infobot (6h 25m 54s) #openmoko-cdevel (6h 25m 54s). Has said a total of 7 messages. Is idling for 6h 18m 11s, last said: 'the fact that http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Troubleshooting bullet 6. is merely virtually impossible to do anything wrong makes all debates about rootfs-first a moot exercise'. Jan 12 12:05:36 is it possible as real usb pen drive ? so you put you live os image somewhere and plug on computer usb and boot on you live os image ? Jan 12 12:06:32 Chiku01: should be possible at least in "off" state Jan 12 12:07:00 chem|st, off sate ? you mean turn off your N900 before plug on computer usb ? Jan 12 12:08:00 Chiku01: just try... I would guess if your bios does the proper commands you will be booting of it wether off or not Jan 12 12:09:16 though it does not work as pendrive on my car radio as it exports to many partitions I guess (and the manual reads something about not to use mediaplayer-pen-drives) Jan 12 12:09:24 in which folder you will install your live image ? Jan 12 12:09:53 external card Jan 12 12:10:17 2 sujects different Jan 12 12:10:44 it doesn't any relation about pendrive and car roadio Jan 12 12:11:30 ehrm my car radio has an usb port and I was not able to use my n900 as pendrive on it Jan 12 12:11:31 about car radio, I will test stream music later on my car Jan 12 12:12:40 chem|st, I'm able to do that Jan 12 12:12:44 not my car, but still :p Jan 12 12:12:53 though it did corrupt my partition once, stupid cars Jan 12 12:12:54 my friend got one car radio with usb port too, I should try tu plug on it and see if there is any folder Jan 12 12:13:16 I didn't find them in wikipedia.. I find only the standard repositories Jan 12 12:13:55 MohammadAG: I was scared of that and stopped trying, somehow it started to export "something" without mounting it properly from then on, so in windows it looks like 2 not reachable drives Jan 12 12:14:25 dany: not wiki.maemo.org Jan 12 12:14:28 chem|st, plugging in the N900 always does that till you select mass storage mode Jan 12 12:14:45 MohammadAG: even with pc suite mode? Jan 12 12:15:09 yes, on windows at least Jan 12 12:15:15 linux is fine Jan 12 12:15:23 wel selected ms-mode with busy MyDocs does export a drive as well Jan 12 12:15:59 got no linux at my office :( Jan 12 12:16:04 mydocs is fat partition ? Jan 12 12:16:09 yep Jan 12 12:16:54 MohammadAG: the export and drive enumeration looked random to me as sometimes it happens and sometimes not (win) Jan 12 12:17:30 chem|st, ok I'm going to check it cheers Jan 12 12:20:26 I don't find it. the package that I want is this: http://maemo.org/packages/view/libgles2-sgx-img-dev/ Jan 12 12:20:47 it says that I need Fremantle nokia-applications explicit armel Jan 12 12:21:17 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free non-free Jan 12 12:21:17 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/sdk free Jan 12 12:21:17 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free non-free Jan 12 12:21:17 deb-src http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/tools free Jan 12 12:21:17 deb http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/ fremantle free non-free Jan 12 12:21:19 deb http://repository.maemo.org/ fremantle/MYKEY nokia-binaries Jan 12 12:21:27 this is my sources.list Jan 12 12:23:06 dany: it is in nokia binaries. Jan 12 12:23:17 dany: The one with the key. Jan 12 12:27:09 X-Fade, so why I get that error message? Jan 12 12:27:36 dany: I don't see an error message? Jan 12 12:28:01 Package opengles-sgx-img-common-dev is not available, but is referred to by another package Jan 12 12:28:39 dany: opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_0.20100611.6+0m5_armel.deb Jan 12 12:28:53 dany: That is in nokia-binaries. Jan 12 12:29:09 so I need to: apt-get opengles-sgx-img-common-dev_0.20100611.6+0m5_armel.deb Jan 12 12:29:43 and that one? the one listed in http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL-ES Jan 12 12:29:48 where are kernel modules in scratchbox? Jan 12 12:30:10 i need modules.dep but its not where it should be ;/ Jan 12 12:31:20 /lib/modules/ is empty :/ Jan 12 12:32:19 maybe try running modinfo on a loaded module Jan 12 12:33:19 X-Fade: my scratchbox does tell the same Jan 12 12:33:40 X-Fade: no opengles at all Jan 12 12:35:16 chem|st, are you trying to install opengl? Jan 12 12:37:13 dany: I am looking for your package Jan 12 12:37:23 chem|st, I ok thanks :) Jan 12 12:37:28 ;) Jan 12 12:37:41 but hang with my not setup armel target Jan 12 12:38:50 sbox_cputransparency_method not set, but I cannot choose any... Jan 12 12:40:22 psycho_oreos cant, modprobe cant find that file either.. Jan 12 12:40:57 chem|st, I think you have to select the QEMU emulator when you're doing the setup Jan 12 12:43:12 dany: ? Jan 12 12:44:53 you said that you got sbox_cputransparency_method not set Jan 12 12:45:12 I had this error and I solved modifying the setup selecting the QEMU Jan 12 12:45:56 dany: I have nothing to select... Jan 12 12:46:30 when you type: sb-menu and choose setup Jan 12 12:46:38 you have to select stuff Jan 12 12:46:48 yes but there is an empty page Jan 12 12:46:59 uhm Jan 12 12:47:02 sb-menu Jan 12 12:47:30 after don't you get a blue screen with written stuff like: exit, setup etc Jan 12 12:48:34 the cpu frequency page is just empty Jan 12 12:49:00 well there is a "none" on top Jan 12 12:49:09 nvm Jan 12 12:50:18 uhm Jan 12 12:50:52 you can find qemu in the select devkits page Jan 12 12:50:58 I have to go to lunch see you later! Jan 12 13:09:18 what's the maemo 5 screenshot key? ctrl+alt+s? Jan 12 13:09:24 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=918596#post918596 Jan 12 13:09:28 I mean shift Jan 12 13:13:55 * mgedmin googles and finds it's ctrl+shift+p Jan 12 13:15:51 mgedmin: ctrl+shift+p Jan 12 13:15:59 where does it put the screenshot? Jan 12 13:16:12 saves to: ~/Mydocs/.images/Screenshots Jan 12 13:16:36 oh, I feel stupid now Jan 12 13:16:48 ls -lrt obviously doesn't show hidden directories Jan 12 13:16:58 :) Jan 12 13:17:32 * mgedmin wishes for an imgur sharing service plugin Jan 12 13:18:25 or some other similar image sharing site that's not flickr, facebook or ovi Jan 12 13:20:08 mgedmin, photobucket and tinypic available Jan 12 13:20:33 * mgedmin is waiting for the app manager to finish whatever it's doing and show him the app list Jan 12 13:21:25 yfrog, twitpic -- do any of those sites require an account? Jan 12 13:26:13 ok, yfrog requires an account Jan 12 13:26:24 I already feel like I'm yak shaving here Jan 12 13:27:07 * mgedmin installs sharing-cli Jan 12 13:30:53 I'm confused -- sharing-cli wants two filenames, one for source image (clear so far), one for destination (huh?) Jan 12 13:33:04 ok, it works nicely with scp %s server:path/%s Jan 12 13:33:18 same filename appears to be used for both %s'es (maybe the second is just the basename) Jan 12 13:33:32 now how do I get ssh to pop up a GUI password dialog if my ssh-agent doesn't have my key? Jan 12 13:34:55 mgedmin: "scp" requires "-p" or timestamp is lost... Jan 12 13:36:27 sharing-cli? Jan 12 13:36:32 That sounds handy Jan 12 13:36:37 it's awesome Jan 12 13:36:41 except unfriendly Jan 12 13:36:55 hmm Jan 12 13:36:55 this seems to be all the documentation it has: http://tuomas.kulve.fi/blog/2010/03/02/command-line-sharing-plugin-for-n900/ Jan 12 13:37:02 I want a CLI that opens the share dialog Jan 12 13:37:24 ok, this is something else: it's a share dialog service that runs a CLI program Jan 12 13:37:50 * mgedmin searches for ssh-askpass implementations -- zero :( Jan 12 13:40:34 I'm being stupid - where do I download this. Jan 12 13:47:36 http://bit.ly/fJ0XA2 /me is currently eating 'Dimensional Force' Satay sauce with noodles ... so good Jan 12 13:50:05 all other sauces i've tried are practically inedibly salty/msg-laden by comparison Jan 12 13:59:08 SpeedEvil: its in the repos Jan 12 13:59:39 oh Jan 12 14:38:58 What sort of battery life should I be getting from my N900? I charged it up to "battery full" last night and now about a day later, its telling me its nearly flat again Jan 12 14:39:06 And I havent used the internet or made any calls in that time Jan 12 14:39:23 jonwil: did you let app run ? Jan 12 14:39:39 jonwil: But you watched 4 hours of video and played 2 hours of 3D games? :) Jan 12 14:39:51 I didnt use the phone much at all Jan 12 14:39:55 certainly no 3D or video Jan 12 14:40:25 yep the battery kinda sucks Jan 12 14:40:40 i have to charge it every day Jan 12 14:40:53 Considering Nokias are usually known for their killer battery life, I am surprised at this Jan 12 14:41:04 I got better battery life with my crappy Motorola Z6 Jan 12 14:41:30 most everything has better batterylife than the n900 Jan 12 14:42:10 I guess the real question is, is it the hardware that's crap (causing the battery drain) or the software being crap and using up more battery than it should be? Jan 12 14:42:30 well Jan 12 14:42:38 its a small computer, not a phone Jan 12 14:42:49 The phone - idle - logged into wifi - lasts 5 days here Jan 12 14:42:59 Gyjf: that holds true for every smartphone. Jan 12 14:43:03 so its not surprising that it takes much bat Jan 12 14:43:09 Do you have any software that polls the internet Jan 12 14:43:16 at all Jan 12 14:43:25 i use wifi/games on mine tho Jan 12 14:43:29 unless the N900 includes some out-of-the-box then no Jan 12 14:43:40 and the power user kernel Jan 12 14:43:42 ~ctl-sh-p is http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures Jan 12 14:43:43 okay, DocScrutinizer Jan 12 14:43:45 if that changes anythong Jan 12 14:44:05 jonwil: Some wifi APs do not properly support power-saving, making the n900 use _much_ more power when logged into them Jan 12 14:44:23 well my N900 isnt even connected to WiFi, just 3G Jan 12 14:44:41 would being on 3G drain more battery? Jan 12 14:44:44 3G eats way more than wifi. Jan 12 14:44:48 Not of irself. Jan 12 14:44:55 If you have no internet connection up. Jan 12 14:44:59 does the powersaving features lower the range /quality of wifi? Jan 12 14:45:03 And are in a reasonable signal area. Jan 12 14:45:03 Especially when you are moving around. Jan 12 14:45:10 Gyjf: not really Jan 12 14:45:16 Gyjf: it may add slight delays Jan 12 14:45:31 Gyjf: ping goes from 20-400ms say Jan 12 14:46:58 hmmm, I think I know a possible cause. Sometimes when I pull the phone out of my pocket, its sitting on the screen you get if you press the "gear wheel" configure desktop icon Jan 12 14:47:18 so it must be pressing that by accident when I put it into pocket/take it out Jan 12 14:47:54 would that prevent the power-save mode from activating as fast? Jan 12 14:48:57 jonwil, if you do not explicitly 3G (eg. pulling big files, surfing sites that need it), you are usually better served by 2G. Alternatively, I've stopped worrying so much about battery after having bought an external charger and a 2nd battery ;) Jan 12 14:49:39 but GSM have been severly cracked, we cant use that :P Jan 12 14:49:52 people will spy on us :O Jan 12 14:50:15 Gyjf, if you really rely on your plain text communication to be safe, you've got other issues ;) Jan 12 14:50:45 i do use ssl for irc at least :P Jan 12 14:51:02 well im just kidding, 3g has also been cracked, but not as bad Jan 12 14:51:11 would heat cause a higher rate of battery drain? Jan 12 14:51:29 unless you lock it on 3g - a 3g jammer is trivial Jan 12 14:52:06 Gyjf, I know that GSM is rather cracked, but consider how easy it would be to install a software bug say on your mobile, ... Jan 12 14:52:11 ill have to look in to that :D Jan 12 14:52:21 i know Jan 12 14:52:35 but then theyd had to have my root password Jan 12 14:52:50 or use a silent root exploit :/ Jan 12 14:54:58 *scratch-head* What happens if I do the following: N900's wlan0 and usb0 happen to be in the same bridge device, and wlan0/usb0 get the same IP address assigned, so I'm basically getting two physical devices on the same bridge being possible delivery routes for a given IP address, ... Jan 12 14:55:00 *wonder* Jan 12 14:55:21 Never explored the fun of abusing bridges that way. Jan 12 15:27:09 waitwhat? Jan 12 15:27:15 can you even do that? Jan 12 15:27:29 then you have to have the same mac on both interfaces Jan 12 15:27:45 doing that would be like dividing by 0 Jan 12 15:28:27 hi there Jan 12 15:28:48 yacc: you don't sound like you understand what a bridge is Jan 12 15:28:52 I tried: apt-get install hostmode-gui but I got: coudn't find package hostmode-gui Jan 12 15:28:58 do you know where can I find it? Jan 12 15:32:10 is there a possibility to use the n900 *as* a usb keyboard? Jan 12 15:34:27 Gyjf: you mean pluging the n900 via micro-usb into another device and then just typing? Jan 12 15:34:35 yes Jan 12 15:35:05 preferably, the output beeing scriptable also Jan 12 15:35:07 i don't think that is possible Jan 12 15:35:17 aw :( Jan 12 15:35:27 but that is just my guess Jan 12 15:36:03 it would be great to just plug it in and run like a bash file Jan 12 15:36:15 run it like a bash file? Jan 12 15:36:36 just input predefined keys as a keyboard to the pc Jan 12 15:37:13 for example, first hotkey for the terminal then run other comands Jan 12 15:40:15 hm... so like using it as a gamepad? Jan 12 15:40:54 yacc, there already is an app in the Extras repo (or extras testing? I forget -- it definitely passed devel though) that posts your contact list, including emails, and phone numbers, to /dev/null Jan 12 15:41:16 just as a "proof of concept" of how easy it is to fool the QA processus implemented in Maemo Jan 12 15:41:25 processes** Jan 12 15:41:35 does anyone know how can I use the usb-host mode ? I tried to install the package but I didn't find it http://gitorious.org/n900-hostmode/hostmode-gui Jan 12 15:41:43 I tried also that link Jan 12 15:41:56 crashanddie, that's why I love my N900, I do not recommend it to non-nerds ;) Jan 12 15:41:58 crashanddie, ? Jan 12 15:42:01 there are cpp files but no README or doc at all Jan 12 15:43:29 lcuk, I launched the idea once, had a few people tell me they'd do it, without telling me what app Jan 12 15:43:34 dany: we have hostmode on repo... Jan 12 15:43:38 *in the Jan 12 15:43:59 crashanddie, but your description is odd Jan 12 15:44:07 mikki-kun, which one? Jan 12 15:44:18 h-e-n it is named Jan 12 15:44:24 and if you know theres a malicious app in extras then shouldnt you be talking to people Jan 12 15:44:30 not about bypassing qa Jan 12 15:44:34 the package i mean Jan 12 15:44:37 mikki-kun, uhm ok so have I to add to sources.list? Jan 12 15:44:42 it's not malicious Jan 12 15:44:51 ahhh, no, the repo was uhh *checking* Jan 12 15:45:00 lcuk, AFAICT, there were three kinds of people who did it: known contributors (common submissions to extras), newcomers (0 day account), and someone with a old account with maybe 1 or 2 submissions Jan 12 15:45:04 but that you have the name of the app :) Jan 12 15:45:06 don't know how many of those did it Jan 12 15:45:25 I don't know what app it is, I've just been told it passed devel. Jan 12 15:45:28 crashanddie, but which apps ? Jan 12 15:45:39 -devel is not QA tested at all and nothing to do with anything Jan 12 15:45:46 I m going to check Jan 12 15:45:54 can't recall anymore whether it was devel or extras, but i would go and search devel Jan 12 15:46:34 lcuk, oh well, then I guess it passed testing? Jan 12 15:46:43 I don't remember to be honest, this was when I was back in Australia Jan 12 15:46:46 so nearly a year ago now Jan 12 15:46:54 which clean theme for maemo would you recommend? Jan 12 15:53:52 i'm wondering if t-mob UK's changes are going to bother me; anyone know if they provide a way to see data usage from previous months? Jan 12 15:55:59 crashanddie, any progress with mafw? Jan 12 15:56:17 nope Jan 12 15:56:23 found a flat though :) Jan 12 15:56:24 also, another thing, did you ever notice why pause/play actually starts a song from the start? Jan 12 15:56:37 never looked into it, tbh Jan 12 15:56:45 probably a wrong signal firing Jan 12 15:57:01 or we're not providing the position Jan 12 15:57:57 I'd imagine that mafw would handle that, rather than the UI... Jan 12 16:02:06 crashanddie, in France still? Jan 12 16:02:50 Is there any place where community-developed replacements for Nokia closed source components are discussed or posted? Jan 12 16:02:59 I dont mean like alternative browsers or media players Jan 12 16:03:05 but enhancements to the official software Jan 12 16:03:15 or in the case of closed source bits, drop-in replacements Jan 12 16:07:02 jonwil: no one place, but talk.maemo.org and mailing lists Jan 12 16:07:09 ok Jan 12 16:07:31 like Media Player currently Jan 12 16:07:51 dany: see: Jan 12 16:07:55 ~hostmode Jan 12 16:07:55 methinks hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 Jan 12 16:08:31 sounds like I should subscribe to maemo-developers then Jan 12 16:12:15 DocScrutinizer, ok Jan 12 16:12:50 DocScrutinizer, I already have seen that page Jan 12 16:13:45 dany: well, in post #1 MohammadAG explains how to install this pkg Jan 12 16:15:33 Are the extras-cauldron lists down? I haven't see any new messages since Jan 9. Jan 12 16:16:22 * mgedmin delurks, sees the vastness of scrollback, decides not to read it Jan 12 16:16:32 actually I forgot what I was going to talk about Jan 12 16:16:40 ah, grr, the native google reader client Jan 12 16:16:57 here's what its menus look like: http://mg.pov.lt/grr-broken-menu.png Jan 12 16:17:26 * mgedmin is once again surprised by the nonexistence of bugzilla.maemo.org Jan 12 16:17:56 stupid fingers, why do you type "bugzilla." instead of "bugs."? it's longer! Jan 12 16:18:06 DocScrutinizer, cool I'm going to check it, thank you very much! Jan 12 16:18:40 * mgedmin finds https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=6524&group_id=1393&atid=5116 Jan 12 16:18:53 dany: also read post #9. And you probably want to skim the whole thread when you're really interested in hostmode Jan 12 16:19:01 how do i find if i have a UK version of n900? Jan 12 16:19:15 DocScrutinizer, yes I think so.. thanks again Jan 12 16:19:21 yw Jan 12 16:20:28 * mgedmin finds his other bug was also already reported: https://garage.maemo.org/tracker/index.php?func=detail&aid=5888&group_id=1393&atid=5116 Jan 12 16:23:12 MohammadAG, hey Jan 12 16:24:30 how can i find the version of my firmware? Jan 12 16:24:43 luke-jr, I think I understand what a bridge is, but I haven't thought far enough, as the bridge does not care about IP addresses, and wlan0 and usb0 have different MAC addresses the bridge won't care. The only thing is how the ARP cache reacts, my guess would be that it takes the MAC address that replies faster (alternatively it could the MAC address that answers last), and use that till the entry expires, which means that only one path (WLAN or USB) will be Jan 12 16:24:43 used to send data to the N900, while the N900 will do the same, probably deciding at random too. Jan 12 16:27:50 crashanddie, right, wrong state Jan 12 16:27:52 signal* Jan 12 16:27:55 ZogG, hey Jan 12 16:29:00 MohammadAG sup, i saw your pks singer, would you release it to maemo repos? =) Jan 12 16:29:26 not sure if it's legal ZogG Jan 12 16:29:42 DocScrutinizer, same problem.. couldn't find package i2c-tools Jan 12 16:29:43 geohot got taken to court, wouldn't want to increase the pain on his ass :P Jan 12 16:29:51 right after sony sues geohotz =) Jan 12 16:30:25 MohammadAG, i thought you left the scene releated stuff Jan 12 16:30:33 yacc: a bridge is a switch Jan 12 16:30:50 yacc: broadcasts on one side are retransmitted on the other Jan 12 16:30:56 you basically combine the two networks Jan 12 16:30:58 ZogG, this is related to the other server, not the scene, I don't give a crap about them ;) Jan 12 16:31:04 btw i don't get it how is it usefull? if devs release their apps they should do it singed by now, so ...? Jan 12 16:31:14 so if there's PCs using the same IP on each side, they conflict as if they were plugged into the same switch Jan 12 16:31:27 sharjeel_, osso-product-info in an xterm _or_ settings -> about device Jan 12 16:31:34 dany: bash up MohammadAG :-) Jan 12 16:31:39 ZogG, less channel spam on other server Jan 12 16:31:44 * MohammadAG runs - hides Jan 12 16:31:52 =) Jan 12 16:31:54 yacc: also, the slave interfaces effectively cease to have MAC addresses; all interaction happens through the bridge and its one MAC Jan 12 16:32:02 dany, do you have -devel enabled, or are you installing debs manually Jan 12 16:32:03 MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer, same problem.. couldn't find package i2c-tools Jan 12 16:32:15 MohammadAG have you install CFW? Jan 12 16:32:22 DocScrutinizer, I'm guessing he's clicking the .deb Jan 12 16:32:27 ZogG, sure, why not Jan 12 16:32:32 yeah, probably Jan 12 16:32:35 MohammadAG, I'm installing with apt-get Jan 12 16:32:47 MohammadAG i play jailbroken games so i don't hurry Jan 12 16:32:49 Hawt or Nawt? http://i53.tinypic.com/set6on.jpg Jan 12 16:32:58 dany, then apt-get update, something's wrong with your lists Jan 12 16:33:18 MohammadAG, I'm going to try it thx Jan 12 16:35:44 MohammadAG: for you, is NOLO *always* hanging after flashing VANILLA, and *never* hanging after flashing COMBINED? Jan 12 16:35:58 MohammadAG, with that I see it cool! Jan 12 16:36:04 thank you very much Jan 12 16:36:18 thank you for testing h-e-n :-D Jan 12 16:36:34 DocScrutinizer, it doesn't hang, the device auto boots, even without -R Jan 12 16:36:44 duh Jan 12 16:36:50 dany, :) Jan 12 16:37:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68249&page=2 /me dies Jan 12 16:37:37 sure, a media bar = extra bass in the mediaplayer Jan 12 16:37:43 MohammadAG: NAWT Jan 12 16:37:52 kerio, f off :p Jan 12 16:39:15 MohammadAG: anyway, I'll aughment wiki to include something to make you happy :-) Jan 12 16:40:55 If you're MohammadAG, flash FIASCO first, then eMMC? Jan 12 16:41:58 something along that line, yes. :-) Jan 12 16:42:23 actually I'll elaborate on the advantages and downsides of both methods Jan 12 16:43:41 someone should patch -R so it randomizes image flashing sequences Jan 12 16:43:45 that way, everyone's happy Jan 12 16:43:47 :p Jan 12 16:44:10 And I might include something like "if you're as cute and experienced as MohammadAG then probably the eMMC_last method is the method of choice for you. If you are a noob and feeling uncomfortble with all this cmdline stuff, then follow the method in "troubleshooting" " Jan 12 16:44:37 lmao Jan 12 16:48:54 X-Fade, cauldron lists dead? Jan 12 16:50:54 actually Jan 12 16:50:56 builder down? Jan 12 16:51:00 MohammadAG: moh's mediaplayer needs proper kbd shortcuts. Please do *not* copy osso MP here, it's basically unusable, without any way to fast-forward/rewind, and maybe even a way to set playback pointer numerically. I watched Dr House yesterday and it was merely inpossible to skip the ad-breaks Jan 12 16:51:34 DocScrutinizer, scrolling can be done with the keyboard, that's a start :P Jan 12 16:51:44 DocScrutinizer: yeah, hate that. Jan 12 16:51:44 eeh? Jan 12 16:52:15 The lack of decent skipping in video player Jan 12 16:52:25 heh Jan 12 16:52:31 alterego, weren't you doing that part? :P Jan 12 16:52:47 MohammadAG: osso mediaplayer just supports spacebar for start/stop, and left/right-arrows for skip-to-prev/next Jan 12 16:52:52 Yes, probably. Jan 12 16:53:40 trying to advance playback pointer a 2min in a 90min video is merely impossible Jan 12 16:54:02 yeah, hate that part too Jan 12 16:54:17 hold to forward would be nice indeed Jan 12 16:55:05 not really, you'll find yourself skipping to next when trying to forward very short time-leap Jan 12 16:55:16 I installed that package Jan 12 16:55:32 I require the kernel-feature-usbhost package Jan 12 16:56:00 better: left/right = FF/REW, hold for increasing speed FF/REW, sh-left/right for skipping to prev/next Jan 12 16:56:13 I m going to install it, thx :) Jan 12 16:57:02 dany: kernel-feature-usbhost is a feature that's provided by power-kernel recently Jan 12 16:57:22 it is not any package on its own Jan 12 16:57:50 DocScrutinizer, so how can I install it? it says that indeed Jan 12 16:58:06 ... is a virtual package provided by kernel-power-flasher Jan 12 16:58:12 install power kernel, then nstall h-e-n Jan 12 16:58:57 MohammadAG: I'm still wondering if we really want that dependency in h-e-n GUI Jan 12 16:59:23 MohammadAG: ...as we got the runtime check for API version that should do this Jan 12 16:59:35 Why is there always at least one repository that's down? . Jan 12 16:59:46 DocScrutinizer, ok I'll try it Jan 12 17:00:45 MohammadAG: you might in turn want to improve install instructions in h-e-n thread post#1 Jan 12 17:01:49 DocScrutinizer, h-e-n had more downloads than thread views Jan 12 17:02:03 MohammadAG: >> To install: Install hostmode-gui from -devel, the package depends on kernel-feature-usbhost, so it should be compatible with any kernel that provides this (in debian/control), kernel-power provides this, and therefore, if no other kernel that does provide it is supported, it will be installed.<< is a bit terse Jan 12 17:03:20 also hard to parse for users not that good in English language Jan 12 17:04:02 I suggest you edit it a bit to have full sentences, full names with links (e.g for "" -devel "") Jan 12 17:06:58 DocScrutinizer: one square dongle or two? Jan 12 17:08:08 hmm, If you ask it like that, I'd say 2 are fine. One for testing, one for analyzing (read: disassembling) :-) Jan 12 17:08:46 kk Jan 12 17:09:00 DocScrutinizer: anything else? Jan 12 17:09:09 hmm, what? Jan 12 17:09:35 a pizza salami+peperoni maybe :-D Jan 12 17:11:08 or are there any discounts available atm? uSD32G for only 2.99$? ;-) Honestly, dunno what you mean Jan 12 17:12:13 DocScrutinizer: nvm, packed and shipped 2morrow Jan 12 17:12:23 cool, thanks Jan 12 17:12:48 kk Jan 12 17:15:00 can we has a dsp-based midi player Jan 12 17:16:35 anyone else noticed the autobuilder ml is broken? Jan 12 17:17:52 lardman, scroll some lines up, it seems broken since 9 Jan Jan 12 17:18:20 yeah I know, I was wondering if it was supposed to still be broken Jan 12 17:19:07 pinged xfade Jan 12 17:19:19 MohammadAG: cool Jan 12 17:19:27 cu chaps day after tomorrow Jan 12 17:24:16 cheers lardman|gone Jan 12 17:24:39 a good channel. full of people who can spell. Jan 12 17:25:55 it worked, I installed the h-e-n successfully Jan 12 17:26:36 I'm trying a usb token Jan 12 17:27:13 there is the red light but when I watch /media there isn't nothing. I read that it should be mounted automatically, isn't? Jan 12 17:28:53 cat /proc/partitions ? Jan 12 17:29:15 k Jan 12 17:29:55 there are 4 things like mmcblk0 p1 p2 p3 Jan 12 17:29:57 sda Jan 12 17:30:00 and sda1 Jan 12 17:31:20 blk0 is your internal storage device... p1,p2,p3 are the partitions on it Jan 12 17:31:29 uhm ok Jan 12 17:31:48 as you insert a sd card you will see additional device revealed in /proc/partitions Jan 12 17:31:54 dany, there's a mount button Jan 12 17:31:59 and if you attach a usb storage device you should se another Jan 12 17:32:05 MohammadAG, I pressed it Jan 12 17:32:27 pipnuk, I have a memory card installed (the sd card I think) Jan 12 17:32:30 hmm Jan 12 17:32:41 there is also the red light Jan 12 17:32:43 it looks like the kernel has not recognized a valid storage device then Jan 12 17:32:49 damn it Jan 12 17:33:09 how? Jan 12 17:33:12 he has sda1 Jan 12 17:33:29 MohammadAG, maybe is the memory card Jan 12 17:33:32 the sda1 Jan 12 17:33:33 mkdir -p /media/sda1 && mount /dev/sda1 /media/sda1 Jan 12 17:33:48 uhm I'm going to try it Jan 12 17:33:53 no Jan 12 17:33:59 that's mmcblk1 Jan 12 17:34:09 uhm Jan 12 17:34:27 and so.. what is the internal memory? Jan 12 17:34:41 pipnuk said that mmcblk0 is the internal memory Jan 12 17:34:41 mmcblk0 Jan 12 17:34:52 yep Jan 12 17:35:24 ah ok Jan 12 17:35:26 ok Jan 12 17:35:26 mmcblk0 internal Jan 12 17:35:30 mmcblk1 SD Jan 12 17:35:43 but I haven't mmcblk1 Jan 12 17:35:48 sd[a-z] anything else Jan 12 17:35:52 so how is possible Jan 12 17:35:59 no microSD Jan 12 17:36:04 I haven't in /proc/partitions Jan 12 17:36:35 got a uSD? Jan 12 17:37:19 I don't have checked :) Jan 12 17:37:25 anyway, it should be listed there Jan 12 17:37:59 ~seen Venemo Jan 12 17:38:06 venemo <~communi@netacc-gpn-5-94-181.pool.telenor.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 18h 56m 46s ago, saying: 'Saviq: mozilla's'. Jan 12 17:38:26 aloha Jan 12 17:44:08 it worked! but I can't umount it :D Jan 12 17:44:12 device is busy Jan 12 17:44:51 ~flashing Jan 12 17:44:51 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 12 17:44:55 all solved.. it was enought to press VBUS boost on Jan 12 17:46:27 * ZogG xmms2> pornophonique - sad robot ["8-bit lagerfeuer" 2007] Jan 12 17:46:36 =) Jan 12 17:48:33 hmpf Jan 12 17:48:34 so. Jan 12 17:49:26 hmprwhat Jan 12 17:50:09 I'm trying to build for qt app for maemo with Venemo's notification thingamagig, but seems I'm missing some important bits of hildon-notification Jan 12 17:58:09 thanks zogG - interesting http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pornophonique Jan 12 18:00:44 wait.. found some info. Jan 12 18:00:46 mece, what notification? Jan 12 18:01:01 ooh I think it worked... Jan 12 18:01:24 MohammadAG: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54815 Jan 12 18:02:07 I had the wrong include paths. Jan 12 18:19:51 I couldn't stay away Jan 12 18:19:59 Ni! Jan 12 18:20:10 lardman:addiction! Jan 12 18:20:11 the knights who say ? Jan 12 18:20:16 the very same. Jan 12 18:20:41 well I have nothing to do development on so I can now sit and waste my time chatting to you lot :D Jan 12 18:21:02 i fixed an odd bug development wise last night Jan 12 18:21:12 major performance regression in graffiti wall :) Jan 12 18:21:57 pipnuk you can download them for free from that p2p site where artists share their music themselves Jan 12 18:22:18 lardman: come up with something!=) Jan 12 18:22:44 I'm waiting for an Android device with OMAP and a kb Jan 12 18:22:58 for Meegoisation Jan 12 18:25:02 lardman, whats the data bandwidth available on bluetooth? Jan 12 18:26:18 lardman what device? Jan 12 18:26:43 Why OMAP though? Jan 12 18:27:04 RST38h: existing gpu Jan 12 18:27:06 drivers Jan 12 18:27:25 not so sure about the snapdragon stuff Jan 12 18:27:48 I'm tempted by the Motorola Milestone 2, uses the same PowerVR as the N900, but a later OMAP Jan 12 18:28:12 but I'm still a bit concerned about the efuse and how easy it is to flash images to the device, I need to do some more research Jan 12 18:28:26 lcuk: no idea, sorry Jan 12 18:28:53 lcuk: from wikipedia v2.0+EDR = 3Mb/s Jan 12 18:28:57 bits Jan 12 18:30:39 lardman, is that why for the bluetooth earpieces you had to reencode audio? Jan 12 18:31:04 yep Jan 12 18:31:18 though actually some can accept mp3 data and do the decoding themselves Jan 12 18:31:44 ahh cool Jan 12 18:32:00 it was just with hearing today that theres wireless graphics cards Jan 12 18:32:05 I think the other part of the reason for SBC was so the earpieces could be really cheap Jan 12 18:32:05 :) Jan 12 18:33:10 http://tech.slashdot.org/article.pl?sid=11/01/12/1429259 Jan 12 18:34:48 that's kinda weird Jan 12 18:34:59 uhm, did anything special happen recently that may have made N8x0's be worth more on ebay? Jan 12 18:35:20 hmm Jan 12 18:35:28 how do I get a list of build depends? Jan 12 18:35:37 there's shlibs:Depends for dependencies... Jan 12 18:35:57 MohammadAG, I never got a satisfactory answer to this Jan 12 18:36:06 http://☁→❄→☃→☀→☺→☂→☹→✝.ws Jan 12 18:36:08 lol Jan 12 18:36:11 nice website Jan 12 18:36:16 you mean you cloned a source repository Jan 12 18:36:26 which has /debian subfolder Jan 12 18:36:34 and now you want to find out how to build it ;) Jan 12 18:37:25 LjL: transitioned from being old to vintage? ;) Jan 12 18:37:34 uhm :P Jan 12 18:37:51 hey! Jan 12 18:38:14 my n810 handled itself admirably this last weekend Jan 12 18:38:52 my N900 didn't Jan 12 18:39:01 which has led to me complaining about devices :p Jan 12 18:39:07 what did you do to it? Jan 12 18:39:35 nothing, it's been giving SGX recovery problems in dmesg Jan 12 18:39:45 mwahaha Jan 12 18:40:05 it also went nuts the other day Jan 12 18:40:16 this is the task switcher: http://i54.tinypic.com/2rvzl8o.jpg Jan 12 18:40:28 eek Jan 12 18:40:29 ooo Jan 12 18:40:56 when last siwtched on my N900 was stuck between two desktops, was an odd look Jan 12 18:41:07 but at least I had some colours ;) Jan 12 18:41:16 though I'm surprised it showed in a screenshot, unless the screenshot's taken through hardware Jan 12 18:41:25 that stayed on till I rebooted actually Jan 12 18:41:28 grabbed from the framebuffer Jan 12 18:41:32 fail0verflow has just released all their PS3 tools THEY made (most likely a response to the lawsuit). Jan 12 18:41:33 have you reflashed? Jan 12 18:41:33 lol Jan 12 18:41:56 nah, I find reflashing too big of a loss Jan 12 18:42:07 too much effort in restoring stuff I've done Jan 12 18:42:12 what about kernel + kernel modules? Jan 12 18:42:19 MohammadAG, hrm Jan 12 18:42:23 reflash os fro pu.. little cats =) Jan 12 18:42:26 is that a one off thing then Jan 12 18:42:32 it's fine now, but... Jan 12 18:42:49 I sometimes get SGX Hardware recovery triggered in dmesg Jan 12 18:42:56 it recovers, and I notice a framedrop Jan 12 18:43:05 you sometimes need recovering Jan 12 18:43:11 is that on nights you drink too? *grin* Jan 12 18:43:28 Nokia-N900:~# dmesg | grep SGX |wc -l Jan 12 18:43:30 3 Jan 12 18:43:41 out of how many frames? Jan 12 18:43:44 drawn Jan 12 18:43:46 yeah, even SGXs get hangovers Jan 12 18:43:58 idk, but it's noticeable :P Jan 12 18:44:10 you do tend to abuse yours Jan 12 18:44:15 I can hildon-desktop miss a frame or two with transitions Jan 12 18:44:30 nah, the SGX is too small to be abused Jan 12 18:44:34 o_O Jan 12 18:44:56 upgraded my nvidia drivers and my wl drivers Jan 12 18:45:01 my laptop suspends in 3 seconds now Jan 12 18:45:09 it suspends faster than windows! Jan 12 18:45:19 resumes in 2s Jan 12 18:45:21 my laptop suspends instantly Jan 12 18:45:25 when i pop its battery Jan 12 18:45:31 IS that true that N900 is not using hardware accelertion on maemo? Jan 12 18:45:41 yeah, mine does that too, I think we should complain Jan 12 18:45:49 I have major issues with wifi with my netbook + Ubuntu Jan 12 18:45:53 KevinB, no, that's some bullshit spread on maemo Jan 12 18:45:59 err, talk.maemo.org* Jan 12 18:46:05 KevinB: no, it's not true Jan 12 18:46:08 lardman, broadcom? Jan 12 18:46:15 probably Jan 12 18:46:17 what specific operations are accelerated? Jan 12 18:46:18 N140 Jan 12 18:46:24 I get 634343242s + lag in XChat's indicator, but it's usually 10s or so Jan 12 18:46:28 * lcuk puts people on the spot Jan 12 18:46:34 MohammadAG: you never know, now they;re on the opensource bandwagon perhaps things will change Jan 12 18:46:49 lcuk: ui transitions Jan 12 18:47:05 apparently Jan 12 18:47:09 task managery thing Jan 12 18:47:13 Just heard that some 'task' were software computed means less efficiency Jan 12 18:47:15 yeah, so not much at all Jan 12 18:47:19 some people think acceleration is not used at all, because of the 0 in /etc/powervr.d/ Jan 12 18:47:32 MohammadAG: some people don't think Jan 12 18:47:41 and that changing it to 1 enables SGX acceleration Jan 12 18:47:47 and judging by the crap people are talking on TMO atm.... Jan 12 18:47:59 it makes frames go faster, and crashes my device 6 + times a day Jan 12 18:48:03 well MohammadAG you have just continued the meme here Jan 12 18:48:09 lardman, some is an understatement Jan 12 18:48:14 lol Jan 12 18:48:16 yes Jan 12 18:48:40 MohammadAG, you are an active tmo poster :) Jan 12 18:48:52 actually it never crashed here with that option.. my transitions are lighter though. Jan 12 18:49:05 lcuk, you're a lurker, makes us equal Jan 12 18:49:14 try opening dialogs and closing them quick Jan 12 18:49:19 I do that a lot Jan 12 18:49:57 https://garage.maemo.org/builder/fremantle/mediabar_0.3/armel.build.log.OK.txt :D Jan 12 18:50:01 i post Jan 12 18:50:14 and i also don't insult others there Jan 12 18:50:21 :P Jan 12 18:50:37 lcuk, I'm not insulting others, just stating facts :P Jan 12 18:50:52 sometimes, I'm stumped by some posts Jan 12 18:51:20 MohammadAG, thats of course true Jan 12 18:51:30 i sometimes cannot read my own posts :P Jan 12 18:52:59 MohammadAG, i dont lurk that much Jan 12 18:53:03 Dont you think hildon render kinda slow sometimes, durnig transition or switchingto portrait mode Jan 12 18:53:45 lcuk, you made a whole wall of pics from the PR1.2 thread :P Jan 12 18:55:34 MohammadAG, that thread was made of awesome Jan 12 18:55:40 and is a great test of browser Jan 12 19:06:09 how do I set up a mailing list? Jan 12 19:07:14 yo, i have a serious issue... Jan 12 19:07:22 heh, apparently i missed the whole set of nokia n9 rumours that came out on saturday Jan 12 19:07:23 MohammadAG, theres a mailing list about that Jan 12 19:07:26 * lcuk has mailing list overload Jan 12 19:07:26 MohammadAG: garage? Jan 12 19:07:27 my volume keys have stopped changing the volume! Jan 12 19:07:51 Jaffa, private, not related to maemo ;) Jan 12 19:07:57 MohammadAG: No-one ever came up with a good alternative when suggesting open solutions like gitorious instead of garage.maemo.org Jan 12 19:07:58 they make xterm font bigger and smaller so I know they still work however they no longer change the volume! Jan 12 19:08:00 MohammadAG: Ah Jan 12 19:08:03 n9 is out/ Jan 12 19:08:03 plese help me!! Jan 12 19:08:04 ? Jan 12 19:08:06 MohammadAG: mailman - but it's a pain Jan 12 19:08:11 vi__: flash it Jan 12 19:08:32 ieatlint: Good ones? Jan 12 19:08:35 Jaffa, hmm, why? Jan 12 19:08:44 ieatlint: Until I see one mention 854x480 I won't believe it Jan 12 19:08:52 http://mynokiablog.com/2011/01/08/rumours-nokia-n9-being-announced-at-mwc-in-6-weeks-time-more-n9x7-gossip/ Jan 12 19:08:55 MohammadAG: Just faffy to integrate with your MTA etc. etc. Jan 12 19:09:02 claims 960x480 res Jan 12 19:09:08 close enough to believe? Jan 12 19:09:21 kstep is good =) Jan 12 19:09:23 Jaffa, MTA? Jan 12 19:09:25 the specs it claims would be awesome, but i have absolutely no reason to believe a word on that page Jan 12 19:09:58 um no Jan 12 19:09:58 that is not a solution Jan 12 19:10:11 MohammadAG: Mail Transfer Agent (exim, postfix etc.) Jan 12 19:10:19 vi__: it is Jan 12 19:10:21 vi__: flash it Jan 12 19:10:25 ~flashing Jan 12 19:10:25 ieatlint: Perhaps Jan 12 19:10:25 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Jan 12 19:10:30 it also claims that the "leaked photos" of the n9 from last august are not correct Jan 12 19:10:43 ieatlint: But that reiterates Snapdragon - which is just unbelievable Jan 12 19:10:52 and implies that there may be no hardware keyboard, which would disappoint me Jan 12 19:11:31 yes, it also inexplicably puts the cpu spec on the same line as the screen's spec Jan 12 19:11:38 OMAP3630's almost a given, unless the delay was taken to fundamentally shake up the h/w Jan 12 19:11:44 Well, I heard there may be multiple formfactors. Jan 12 19:11:53 Jaffa: still omap3? Jan 12 19:11:58 they claim it was hw ready in q4/2010 Jan 12 19:11:59 Jaffa: i would expect omap4 Jan 12 19:12:02 And switching from OMAP to Snapdragon would be pointless. Jan 12 19:12:06 Jaffa, I see Jan 12 19:12:10 jacekowski, 45nm, anyway. Jan 12 19:12:12 GAN900: In one go? That'd be *very* brave for Nokia Jan 12 19:12:17 ieatlint, it's too overspecced to be true Jan 12 19:12:27 MohammadAG: yeah, my thoughts Jan 12 19:12:33 jacekowski: Nokia put a lot of effort into OMAP3630 support. Whether that was then bypassed or not, I've no idea Jan 12 19:12:38 64GB expandable memory <-- microSD ends at 32GBs afaik Jan 12 19:12:41 as i stated, i have no reason to believe a word on that page Jan 12 19:12:43 SDHC that is Jan 12 19:12:50 so unless they got SDXC... Jan 12 19:12:53 Jaffa: well, omaps are not so different Jan 12 19:12:59 Jaffa, indeed. Jan 12 19:13:02 MohammadAG: it's just a software Jan 12 19:13:07 MohammadAG: and linux can do sdxc Jan 12 19:13:10 Jaffa, could be staggered, though. Jan 12 19:13:34 Hi Jan 12 19:13:41 jacekowski, SDXC has the same hw spec as SDHC? Jan 12 19:13:45 MohammadAG: yes Jan 12 19:13:47 if the specs were roughly correct though, it'd dwarf the hw capabilities of every other phone on the market Jan 12 19:13:52 GAN900: Yeah, I'd expect Nokia to *have* to come out with another MeeGo(ish) device next year. Maybe 2H running "real" MeeGo and corresponding with a real MeeGo update to N9 Jan 12 19:14:02 MohammadAG: it's just different data structures on card itself Jan 12 19:14:07 MohammadAG: but that's software problem Jan 12 19:14:10 MohammadAG: and linux can do it Jan 12 19:14:14 MohammadAG: so n900 can do it Jan 12 19:14:22 jacekowski: True; but Nokia've never been rapid in the h/w design stakes. ISTR that the h/w people deliver something and the software teams have/had to build something for it. Jan 12 19:14:32 ieatlint, and my old laptop, so I can't believe that Jan 12 19:14:41 jacekowski, I see Jan 12 19:14:53 well Jan 12 19:15:25 I'll wait for something official before looking at android devices :p Jan 12 19:15:26 that page also claims the symbian^3 update will push the cpu clock on existing devices from 680mhz to 727mhz, heh Jan 12 19:16:13 well, hopefully the rumour of it being MWC is correct then, because i too am at the stage of looking more and more at android Jan 12 19:16:16 nothing weird about that Jan 12 19:16:28 the 5800XM was increasing from 3XX-ish to 424MHz Jan 12 19:16:35 increased* Jan 12 19:16:42 MohammadAG: oh, i believe it, more than anything else on that page.. Jan 12 19:16:57 just somehow find it vaguely funny Jan 12 19:18:48 Android Jan 12 19:18:50 * GAN900 vomits. Jan 12 19:18:55 can also say the meego conference in may will be a lot better off with a mobile handset already on the ground Jan 12 19:19:30 heh, yes, this is why i am not on android... there are significant issues i have with it.. but at the end of the day, it has features that nokia seemingly isn't able to keep up with Jan 12 19:19:30 GAN900, at least they run MeeGo ;) Jan 12 19:19:35 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> i intent to make a build environment in a virtualbox vm running ubuntu. are there any good guides to learning how to compile source?- Jan 12 19:19:46 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> needs to be from a newbie persepective Jan 12 19:20:17 what do you know about programming? Jan 12 19:20:51 [DrkGUNMAN-N900]: how to compile stuff in general, or how to cross-compile for maemo? Jan 12 19:21:52 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> not much appart from scripting. I am trying to get my head around it though. I would like to learn how to cross compile linux source for maemo, particularly try and getr midp working for phoneme Jan 12 19:22:02 [DrkGUNMAN-N900]: start on normal PC Jan 12 19:22:15 [DrkGUNMAN-N900]: and then move to embedded stuff Jan 12 19:22:18 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> dotblank was very helpful yesterday but i'd like to learn how he did it Jan 12 19:23:55 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> fair enough. already have the build environment ready on device following the guides and the script provided. now for a standard pc environment. Jan 12 19:26:07 dd Jan 12 19:26:14 ? Jan 12 19:26:36 what about it Jan 12 19:26:59 so my volume keys dont turn the volume up and down, could that be an issue with dbus? Jan 12 19:27:00 FYI, if you don't know what dd is, you probably shouldn't experiment with it Jan 12 19:27:57 just flash it Jan 12 19:28:06 it's probably a problem with the status menu volume plugin though Jan 12 19:28:11 anyone? Jan 12 19:28:16 or keyboard-shortcuts or modified hildon-desktop Jan 12 19:28:21 but no, it's not mhd Jan 12 19:30:39 hmm Jan 12 19:30:46 there's an #n900 channel? o_O Jan 12 19:37:02 not many users tho Jan 12 19:37:57 I saw it in a screenshot on tmo Jan 12 19:38:00 but.. why Jan 12 19:38:27 no idea.. Jan 12 19:45:56 It's bad when you get to the point in life where you forget which stores you've been ejected from. Jan 12 19:46:33 MohammadAG ... i tested hostmode with my flashdrive... its lowered my battery from 33% to 18% during 3 mins... is it ok? Jan 12 19:46:56 and i copied only one small txt Jan 12 19:48:45 yes, the battery meter wasn't exactly 33% when you started Jan 12 19:48:51 it's too way off Jan 12 19:58:19 MohammadAG: is there *some* way to get an accurate battery charge Jan 12 19:59:49 yeah Jan 12 19:59:53 stop bme && start bme Jan 12 20:00:05 don't come back asking why it dropped half a battery after that Jan 12 20:05:05 anyone w/ OC active, any sings of battery life extend or better performance Jan 12 20:07:02 MohammadAG I started hen and stopped ... still 8,8% Jan 12 20:07:15 hm 7,9 now Jan 12 20:07:18 wtf Jan 12 20:07:36 is there some command line for stopping bme? Jan 12 20:07:41 *command Jan 12 20:08:57 stop bme Jan 12 20:09:19 lol Jan 12 20:14:26 Mr_Rixa, really going to depend. Jan 12 20:14:34 spiritd: battery meter is controlled by bme. bme is getting confused when you stop and start it Jan 12 20:14:35 lol Jan 12 20:16:22 spiritd: don't worry about meter being much lower after h-e-n quit. It's not reflecting the real situation. h-e-n vboost is eating quite a bit of battery power, but not THAT much Jan 12 20:19:15 spiritd: bme will sync with true state of battery during several tens of minutes, or when charging battery Jan 12 20:19:51 well... once again copied file... and battery lowered from 8 to 4% Jan 12 20:20:32 dont say me this is only some bme confusion Jan 12 20:20:35 GAN900: Well, thought I'd get it more responsive if I oc it to 900 900 w/ xlv profile.. then thought what will happend to the battery life.. Jan 12 20:20:42 no, bme lowered form display:8% to display:4% Jan 12 20:21:15 but if i restart bme by "stop bme" and "start bme" it doesnt change Jan 12 20:21:23 spiritd: why not say you this is bme confusion? If you don't like to hear that, then please don't complain here Jan 12 20:22:02 spiritd you cant expect battery to ignore a stick that is using its power... Jan 12 20:22:04 Mr_Rixa, it's gotta be able to clock down or you'll kill it in no time flat. Jan 12 20:22:28 Mr_Rixa, judging by your conclusions there I'd probably recommend not overclocking. Jan 12 20:22:39 i am just not sure .... thats why am I asking so offensivly :) Jan 12 20:22:54 GAN900: sleep drives cpu to 0% ? Jan 12 20:22:56 trx... well but 4% over 1min of connection? Jan 12 20:23:27 so it will be 0 or 900 Jan 12 20:24:04 spiritd so what? Jan 12 20:24:12 200 mA Jan 12 20:24:34 spiritd: yeah, so please do the math xourself. It's impossible, so either you accept bme is telling BS about battery capacity after restarting it, or go on to moan and whine here, but nobody will give you a convenient answer Jan 12 20:25:29 Mr_Rixa, not if you set it to 900/900. Jan 12 20:25:51 200 mA is what n900 can provide via usb Jan 12 20:26:03 I have a problem with my n900 Jan 12 20:26:09 a usb stick doesnt use that much Jan 12 20:26:18 the volume keys no longer turn the volume up and down Jan 12 20:26:18 so calculate yourself.. Jan 12 20:26:20 1250mAh *4% * 60 = mA you need to draw from battery to get that result in real Jan 12 20:26:30 however they still zoom in browser and xterm Jan 12 20:26:44 so it is a software error Jan 12 20:27:02 can anyone sugest why my volume keys dont work and how i can fix it? Jan 12 20:28:12 anyone? Jan 12 20:28:49 spiritd: trx: if you do that math, you can see easily it will be more current than battery could theoretically provide continuously Jan 12 20:29:35 is the volume keys controlled by dbus? Jan 12 20:29:46 hell, try same test with a freshly charged 100% battery, and you'll see sth like 65% in one minute Jan 12 20:30:03 yeah Jan 12 20:30:13 so YES, it *is* bme confusion and nothing else Jan 12 20:30:32 it's also global warming DocScrutinizer Jan 12 20:30:44 yeah, and gremlins Jan 12 20:30:59 and abill_uk's ghost Jan 12 20:31:01 pr1.4 too Jan 12 20:31:02 :) Jan 12 20:31:09 mohammedag, you know about the finer points of maemo Jan 12 20:31:11 volume keys are F4 and F(3/5, can't remember), they're simply captured by the status applet, if not, they fail to do anything except pass F4 and the other key Jan 12 20:31:25 oh shi... Jan 12 20:31:30 oops Jan 12 20:31:34 lolingtons Jan 12 20:31:46 MohammadAG: you mean f6/f7 Jan 12 20:31:58 I attempted to remap F1-F10 to ctrl+alt+number keys Jan 12 20:32:14 perhaps that has buggered it up Jan 12 20:32:23 you bet it did Jan 12 20:32:38 another question Jan 12 20:32:47 is the email applet closed source? Jan 12 20:32:54 applet yes, app no Jan 12 20:33:01 kerio, wanna bet? Jan 12 20:33:11 applet? never seen any for mail Jan 12 20:33:36 MohammadAG: no, but i'm really confident Jan 12 20:33:39 is the size of the applet hardcoded? Jan 12 20:33:50 I put my money on jerio Jan 12 20:33:52 kerio Jan 12 20:33:58 ^_^ Jan 12 20:34:31 you can easily find out in xchat's keybindings Jan 12 20:34:42 I got my money on alterego's code :p Jan 12 20:34:49 GAN900: but then I would have a good pocket warmer ;D Jan 12 20:35:12 well, maybe xchat code is borked Jan 12 20:35:29 calling the key F6 but actually testing for F4? Jan 12 20:35:43 lemme check Jan 12 20:35:48 I might be mistaken anyway Jan 12 20:36:31 ha Jan 12 20:36:37 I think it might be F5/6 Jan 12 20:36:47 nice idea, for my code editor Jan 12 20:37:05 change font size via volume buttons :) Jan 12 20:37:27 F7/8 in xchat? Jan 12 20:37:39 alterego F4 and F5 are the volume keys btw Jan 12 20:37:50 http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-12-22.log.html#t2010-12-22T15:12:01 Jan 12 20:38:15 * MohammadAG pets his memory again Jan 12 20:38:50 MohammadAG: I know .. :P Jan 12 20:39:37 alterego, do I have to use "" to point out it's a quote? Jan 12 20:39:41 :P Jan 12 20:39:45 it's what you said Jan 12 20:40:05 " F4 and F5 are the volume keys btw" Jan 12 20:40:07 happy? :P Jan 12 20:40:58 :) Jan 12 20:41:03 Yes, and thank you Jan 12 20:41:12 heya alterego Jan 12 20:41:16 that'll be 50 bucks sir Jan 12 20:41:26 MohammadAG, collective mgedmin memory is awesome :) Jan 12 20:41:52 indeed, but what's a mgedmin? :P Jan 12 20:42:46 ? Jan 12 20:42:52 !mgedmin Jan 12 20:43:01 ~factinfo $50 Jan 12 20:43:15 in xchat it's F7 and F8 anyway Jan 12 20:44:25 so maybe even alterego is wrong? or xchat source is wrong? Jan 12 20:44:39 hmmm...7 windows open, still operable Jan 12 20:45:23 DocScrutinizer, alterego's code works Jan 12 20:45:29 tested it in some app Jan 12 20:45:30 xchat? who is invoking its spirit from the Abyss? Jan 12 20:46:02 MohammadAG: xchat works as well Jan 12 20:46:37 even the "change page 1" and "change page -1" cmds mapped to F7 and F8 Jan 12 20:47:25 alterego, you were wrong Jan 12 20:47:39 http://gitorious.org/qtbrowser/qtbrowser/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line125 Jan 12 20:47:50 pff Jan 12 20:47:53 * MohammadAG takes food away from memory Jan 12 20:48:09 at least in the IRC logs you were, your code was right though Jan 12 20:52:40 // Swap +/- keys intentionally. The VOL+/VOL- keys are located physically Jan 12 20:52:42 // on left/right and up/down in landscape/portrait orientation. Jan 12 20:52:43 key { [ F8 ] }; Jan 12 20:52:45 key { [ F7 ] }; Jan 12 20:53:24 less /usr/share/X11/xkb/symbols/nokia_vndr/rx-51 Jan 12 20:53:29 kids! Jan 12 20:53:39 F7 and F8 in code above Jan 12 20:53:45 no need to less anything Jan 12 20:56:16 who cares about code? it can be wrong Jan 12 20:58:14 the US embassy in baghdad takes 1.2 billion dollars a year to run Jan 12 20:59:35 I suggest to close it for 4 weeks and pass the money saved to me :-P Jan 12 21:00:32 sorry, we'd rather spend a billion dollars on a foreign country with oil than $10 on you Jan 12 21:01:25 *sigh* I knew he'd say that Jan 12 21:02:00 you should see our plans for canada Jan 12 21:03:00 few seem to realize how much of our oil comes from the great white north... we already violate their sovereignty, might as well finish the job and save a few more bucks Jan 12 21:04:11 oh canada! Jan 12 21:04:45 speaking of which how are the linux drivers for ati nowadays? Jan 12 21:04:47 * DocScrutinizer wonders when break-even will happen, and from then on war in oil exporting countries costs more gasoline than it earns you Jan 12 21:05:43 can't take long till we reach that point Jan 12 21:06:46 um... ..... been that way for 20 years Jan 12 21:07:12 mercantilism is about special interests, not general interests Jan 12 21:07:51 esp since it's not just the oil needed for gasoline for F16 and ships and tanks and shit. It's also the coal used to produce the steel for those weaponry instead of replacing oil in heating and energy, and whatnot else Jan 12 21:08:55 yep Jan 12 21:09:10 we just need to find places that won't resist us as much Jan 12 21:09:18 i think canada is an excellent choice Jan 12 21:09:41 or we could invade the falklands, that seemed simple enough Jan 12 21:09:58 I've espoused the simple solution (for the UK) of ramping nuclear power up 20 fold. Jan 12 21:10:15 Putting all fixed loads (heating, industrial process heat, ...) onto electricity. Jan 12 21:10:25 Leaving only the transport fleet on oil. Jan 12 21:10:40 we're *finally* starting to look at nuclear again here in the states Jan 12 21:10:41 Which we can do a large slice of from internal UK resources. Jan 12 21:11:11 people here freak out about the risk of an accident, what to do with the waste, and how to pronounce the word "nuclear" Jan 12 21:11:15 And then trying to move to radiocatalathermogenic hydrogen for the rest. Jan 12 21:11:51 ieatlint: Simple solution - centralise it. I suggest the Centralised Uranium Based Area. Jan 12 21:12:01 CUBA? interesting .. Jan 12 21:12:03 ieatlint: There is already even a convenient location already named. Jan 12 21:12:06 i like that solution Jan 12 21:13:10 ieatlint: only until your fish from mexican gulf not only tastes like oil but also replaces your incandescent bulbs Jan 12 21:13:23 i can't speak with any real amount of knowledge on the topic, but i've been told that due to the age of our nuclear power plants (all dating back at least 30 years, often more), they follow a less efficient process that results in more waste Jan 12 21:13:50 hi is is possible to install ncmpcpp on maemo@n900 ? Jan 12 21:14:17 and then people get all pissy about the transport of the waste (despite the fact they use vehicles that you could shoot RPGs into and the nuclear waste would never leak), and where it ends up ultimately -- often in the middle of the nevada desert in an old mine Jan 12 21:14:46 honestly, the amount of waste is irrelevant by now. You got no proper way to deal with what's there already, and you don't increase risk a lot by multiplying that heap of ticking shit Jan 12 21:15:55 yes, and it's also a joke when you look at the visible health effects of our current system versus the hypothetical and extremely unlikely effects of a system that is proven effective in countless countries Jan 12 21:16:17 and even now, a significant portion of our power comes from nuclear -- just extremely aged plants Jan 12 21:16:22 maybe the simpsons didn't help :P Jan 12 21:17:45 nah, John Average US citizen lived in a comic strip all his live ever since, no need for Simpsons Jan 12 21:18:18 Haha Jan 12 21:18:25 It always seemed to me esp US Gvmt thinks real live is like A-team Jan 12 21:18:26 Elie Wiesel was just in the store. Jan 12 21:18:38 We talked about the weather. . . . Jan 12 21:19:51 i'm also intrigued by the new nissan leaf electric car.. 100mi/160km range, all electric Jan 12 21:20:06 Meh Jan 12 21:20:12 Electric cars are too boring. Jan 12 21:20:13 meh, yeah. Tesla Jan 12 21:20:24 extremely boring Jan 12 21:20:27 8h charge on 220v, or reportedly 30min to get to 80% charge on a special 500v charger Jan 12 21:20:53 ieatlint: I have _SERIOUS_ objections to subsidisng them. Jan 12 21:20:54 yeah, but the nissan leaf costs about $20k + 9.5% tax here Jan 12 21:21:05 and gets you in the HOV lanes Jan 12 21:21:19 ieatlint: Why the fuck should the rich get subsidies from the poorer. Jan 12 21:21:20 whatever that means Jan 12 21:21:27 tesla is incredibly expensive, and won't reach full production until 2013 i think Jan 12 21:21:30 DocScrutinizer: hovercraft lanes. Jan 12 21:21:34 :P Jan 12 21:22:09 high occupancy vehicle (or "diamond lanes", "carpool lanes")... lanes that are restricted to vehicles with X people in them to reduce traffic congestion Jan 12 21:22:16 electric cars here can use them freely Jan 12 21:22:37 Juozapas: I don't even know what that is Jan 12 21:22:43 Also motorcycles. Jan 12 21:24:44 Juozapas: if it's a SW then obviously you can install it if somebody made an installable pkg for maemo (or a universal pkg if it's platform agnostic). But maybe it's some HW even? Jan 12 21:25:23 its a music player for mpd Jan 12 21:28:13 ~dict mpd Jan 12 21:28:16 Dictionary 'mpd' Message Preparation Directory Jan 12 21:29:08 SpeedEvil, it also limits technological development to whatever idiotic shit the government can think up. Jan 12 21:29:37 AFAIR Music Player Daemon Jan 12 21:29:45 something like XMMS2 Jan 12 21:33:09 GAN900: yes. Another annoyance is I can only install solar/wind solutions from a registered provider. This costs around 10* real costs. However - they then subsidise the generated electricity to a stupid extent. Jan 12 21:33:42 non-subsidised would pay back for me in ~4 years. Jan 12 21:37:23 Government should stay out of places it's too corrupt and incompetent to be in. Jan 12 21:37:53 It's fundamentally a good idea. Jan 12 21:38:01 Subsidisng to a mild extent solar. Jan 12 21:38:13 As it reduces the need for foreign exchange to buy oil. Jan 12 21:38:23 alas government is too corrupt and incompetent to stay out Jan 12 21:38:29 But then it gets into lobbying from the solar installers who want to insure they get work. Jan 12 21:38:36 DocScrutinizer, +1 Jan 12 21:38:40 GAN900, electric cars boring? +1. IMO the future is LHG Jan 12 21:39:41 you drive to the gas station, fill a tank with hydrogen in 2 minutes and there you go... Jan 12 21:41:13 I want nuclear powered cars. Jan 12 21:41:45 first we need to invent cold fusion :) Jan 12 21:42:06 * SpeedEvil has a nuclear power source next to his genitals. Jan 12 21:42:11 Really, though, I'd like something that has the primal appeal of internal combustion. Jan 12 21:42:27 Tritium++ Jan 12 21:43:24 http://maemoworld.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82-Nokia-N9-1.jpg Jan 12 21:43:37 http://maemoworld.ru/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/%D0%9D%D0%BE%D0%B2%D1%8B%D0%B9-%D0%BA%D0%BE%D0%BD%D1%86%D0%B5%D0%BF%D1%82-Nokia-N9-2.jpg Jan 12 21:43:43 nice n9 concepts Jan 12 21:44:14 concepts... meh. gimme the real deal! Jan 12 21:49:50 GAN900, there are some steam-powered concept cars in the making :) is that appealing? :) Jan 12 21:51:54 yay verily yay Jan 12 21:51:59 FINALLY got something working Jan 12 21:52:01 :) Jan 12 21:52:09 i got that little led to blink blue :) Jan 12 21:54:01 MohammadAG: your bar can be activeted while phone call? Jan 12 21:55:12 as well it turns on while screen is locked too =) Jan 12 22:08:28 smoku, not really a steampunk person. Jan 12 22:09:54 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> you see plenty of them in whitby Jan 12 22:10:37 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> smoku - link added to post Jan 12 22:10:47 thx Jan 12 22:12:15 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> it's still a work in progress, any improvementswill be taken on board Jan 12 22:16:36 can i somehow tell maemo-status-volume daemon to release the volume keys (so others can grab) via d-bus? Jan 12 22:18:19 ok somone please help me. my volume keys are not working! Jan 12 22:18:36 they still zoom the browser Jan 12 22:18:43 how did you do that, i want to do exactly that Jan 12 22:18:55 meaning the keymap is fine however Jan 12 22:19:02 tell the damn daemon to release them.. Jan 12 22:19:05 vi__: think yourself lucky! my n900 is in for repair an i have to use a sony ericsson!!!! Jan 12 22:19:44 on the home screen they do not change the volume or even display the volume bar Jan 12 22:19:52 wtf is going on Jan 12 22:20:16 do the volume keys trigger a dbus event? Jan 12 22:20:50 wtf would they stop working? Jan 12 22:21:02 how can i debug this? Jan 12 22:21:08 anyone? Jan 12 22:21:12 vi__: no, they don't send dbus Jan 12 22:21:26 what do they send? Jan 12 22:21:28 Have you tried turning the device off and on. Jan 12 22:21:51 yes, about 1000000 times Jan 12 22:21:53 [DrkGUNMAN-N900], nice theme indeed :) Jan 12 22:22:13 vi__: interesting Jan 12 22:22:22 Well they send F4 and F5 Jan 12 22:22:47 They're just normal keys really, have you tried to see if the work as zoom in the web browser? Jan 12 22:22:59 well xterm still zooms in/out so i assume they are still snding f4f5 Jan 12 22:23:11 alterego any idea if maemo-status-volume daemon can be told to release the control of the volume keys via dbus? Jan 12 22:23:39 trx: the volume keys are hijacked by hildon desktop Jan 12 22:23:45 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> smoku - glad you like it. if you have the time see if there's any parts of the UI i missed and I'll see about fixing it. png files are optimised to save space and memory. Jan 12 22:24:08 alterego : http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Porting_Existing_GTK%2B_Application_to_Maemo_5#Enabling_volume.2Fzoom_keys Jan 12 22:24:18 You tell hildon desktop to release volume keys for use in your app by setting a x1q window property on your main window Jan 12 22:24:31 Yes, exactly. Jan 12 22:24:35 alterego i want to do that via dbus Jan 12 22:24:39 is it possible? Jan 12 22:24:42 No Jan 12 22:24:45 :( Jan 12 22:24:59 Why do you want to do it? Jan 12 22:25:17 so where are hildon key configurations then? Jan 12 22:25:55 vi__: two different things here, your problem is probably with something being broken. Jan 12 22:26:10 trx: wants something unrelated to you issue Jan 12 22:26:20 alterego beacause i am not using hildon (cant use it) and gdk and X11 suck (dont know how to use them via fpc (pascal)):/ Jan 12 22:26:50 Use a better programming language? Jan 12 22:27:02 lol Jan 12 22:27:14 the language is fine Jan 12 22:27:26 the lack of knowledge is my problem.. Jan 12 22:27:27 :) Jan 12 22:27:33 You don't have to "use" x11 really, it's just one function call. Jan 12 22:28:04 i cant get my Window using gdk Jan 12 22:28:10 thats the problem... Jan 12 22:28:45 Why are you using gdk? Jan 12 22:28:57 What exactly are you doing? Jan 12 22:28:58 everything else i can do except that, so im missing that param Jan 12 22:29:16 "GDK_WINDOW_XID (appdata.main_window->window)" Jan 12 22:29:31 this is from that code from the link i gave you Jan 12 22:29:40 i dont know how to replicate that.. Jan 12 22:29:45 vi__: can't really help you anymore, reflash rootfs is the only thing I know you can do that'll fix it, obviously that's a bit like chopping a leg off for a cut, but .. Jan 12 22:30:17 What are you using to create your window? Jan 12 22:31:05 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lazarus_(software)#LCL Jan 12 22:31:31 its a library that uses whatever you choose (gtk, qt, etc..) Jan 12 22:31:54 hi Jan 12 22:31:58 but i dont have access to "gtk variables" via that library Jan 12 22:32:24 Hrm, well, you really need the X winid :P Jan 12 22:33:09 yeah, dont know that one too :) Jan 12 22:33:14 meh, im doomed.. Jan 12 22:50:29 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=919084#post919084 bump Jan 12 22:50:46 i can't find people who responsible of maemo.org website =( Jan 12 22:51:01 DocScrutinizer: do you know some of them? Jan 12 22:51:32 ZogG_work: eh? sorry, what? Jan 12 22:52:01 tmo has moderators Jan 12 22:52:10 DocScrutinizer: read the topic i just linked Jan 12 22:52:27 DocScrutinizer: not TMO but MO especially downloads section for example Jan 12 22:52:29 meh, I don't click arbitrary URLs Jan 12 22:53:11 so don't, but it would be more logical to have the QR code instead that picture and link on side Jan 12 22:53:37 uhuh, what for? Jan 12 22:53:52 and u are not example u don't need to click u make this links and internetz at all, you are huge skyline robot, we are talking about people Jan 12 22:54:28 *plonk* Jan 12 22:54:45 DocScrutinizer: the reason there are hotest and latest package on websitee front page, so i click on it and to download i need to open manager and search for it and so on, it would be clicker jsut to launch mbarcode Jan 12 22:56:12 o.O .oO(???) Jan 12 22:56:55 alterego you still there? Jan 12 22:57:11 It strikes me I didn't get how the web works, since 20 years now Jan 12 22:57:46 obviously is a thing about barcodes, rather than HTML Jan 12 23:00:50 ALTEREGOL Jan 12 23:00:53 ! Jan 12 23:01:42 ALETERALGOL Jan 12 23:02:19 ? Jan 12 23:03:14 i meant alterego Jan 12 23:03:49 ~netiquette Jan 12 23:03:49 somebody said netiquette was a set of guidelines that makes the people on the Internet live together in peace and harmony, well, at least in theory, or at http://www.fau.edu/netiquette/netiquette.html, or found at ftp://ftp.ripe.net/rfc/rfc1855.txt Jan 12 23:04:43 ~ask Jan 12 23:04:43 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Jan 12 23:04:46 DocScrutinizer: what is so complicated? Jan 12 23:07:20 hmm Jan 12 23:09:11 "Chain letters are forbidden on the Internet. Your network privileges will be revoked." of only that could happen nowadays xD Jan 12 23:12:45 what is the name of the status bar volume applet? Jan 12 23:16:02 anyone? Jan 12 23:16:04 ? Jan 12 23:16:05 ? Jan 12 23:32:22 Whats the difference between the armel and x86 SDKs? I assume one is for if you are building a binary to run on the phone and the other is for when you are wanting to run something in an emulator? Jan 12 23:33:31 x86 builds it to run natively on your own CPU Jan 12 23:38:34 hola javispedro Jan 12 23:39:08 hi #maemo Jan 12 23:39:24 we've been missing you Jan 12 23:39:29 hi @javispedro Jan 12 23:39:49 good to know =) Jan 12 23:40:16 hi there Jan 12 23:40:21 [2011-01-12 06:51:09] javispedro seems to never be around irc now Jan 12 23:40:37 who is pipnuk? =) Jan 12 23:40:51 hey pipnuk Jan 12 23:40:57 Nokia Support tells me today that an update for N900 comes in a few weeks. it that right? (sometimes i dont beleve in callcenters) Jan 12 23:41:32 hehehehehe Jan 12 23:42:04 you shouldn't believe in callcenters indeed. Jan 12 23:42:19 * RST38h read "callcenters" as "cancers" Jan 12 23:42:21 so, thats not true? Jan 12 23:42:37 Nobody knows. Jan 12 23:42:41 the sad truth is that it _could_ be. but I would doubt it. Jan 12 23:42:42 ok. Jan 12 23:42:47 future is so... Jan 12 23:42:48 But rather no than yes Jan 12 23:42:51 futuristic Jan 12 23:43:09 ok Jan 12 23:43:38 btw (linked by a tmoer): http://www.fcl.fujitsu.com/en/release/2010/20101109-3.html Jan 12 23:43:47 http://onastick.net/sitz/images/ - the future Jan 12 23:43:58 as N900 users, would you buy the N900 today? Jan 12 23:44:14 and I bet even if that obscure update ever happens, we won't see e.g cellbroadcast fixed Jan 12 23:44:41 cellbroadcast? Jan 12 23:44:53 GSM CBSMS Jan 12 23:44:56 ThreeM: yes - if I needed a phone today Jan 12 23:44:57 ThreeM yes Jan 12 23:45:09 ThreeM: I would my another right now if I had the cash Jan 12 23:45:29 too bad i dont have cash for another one Jan 12 23:45:32 clearly, we should start stockpiling n900s Jan 12 23:45:39 or, hm.. Jan 12 23:45:43 I'd feel better with a second spare. 2 devices are too risky :-D Jan 12 23:45:48 And until something just as flexible comes out it's the only device I can really take owning :) Jan 12 23:45:52 _I_ should start stockpiling n900s, then sell them for a profit. Jan 12 23:45:56 2nd spare :/ Jan 12 23:46:00 give one to me :) Jan 12 23:46:19 is it possible to add dns server by gui without root privileges? Jan 12 23:46:21 so the device is such a nice thing, that you would buy it, regardless futureproof is not sure, updates are not presend and so on? Jan 12 23:46:38 what updates do you need? Jan 12 23:46:50 ThreeM: depends, I think the N900 still has a bright future. Jan 12 23:47:00 As long as there are people in the community wanting to improve the product, people will keep working on it Jan 12 23:47:14 sid_on: yes Jan 12 23:47:15 ThreeM: I do not know anything else to replace it with... Jan 12 23:47:41 Power wise it's still way above average and has a lot more usability than the previous tablet devices. Jan 12 23:47:45 I bought the N900 because its the most hackable handset available today Jan 12 23:47:45 sid_on: go connections -> advanced Jan 12 23:47:59 Mainly because it doesn't really lack anything power wise. Jan 12 23:48:24 javispedro: dual resistants touch screen omg omg omg Jan 12 23:49:07 ZogG_work: I consider it of interest not because it's yet another resistive-like multitouch screen, but because they say their stuff works on stock 4-wire panels Jan 12 23:49:09 i would say if you not sure if to buy n900 - don't buy it =) Jan 12 23:49:19 ahh last question. can N900 do offline navigation mit ovi maps?! Jan 12 23:49:19 cause if you buy it you know why u do it Jan 12 23:49:25 DocScrutinizer, whats CBSMS used for? Jan 12 23:49:37 of course, details are so scarce on their PR that it could very well be pure BS. Jan 12 23:50:00 ThreeM: Bluetooth PAN with IPv6 subnet routing over mobile network is reason why I got "Nokia N900" Jan 12 23:50:17 On my old Motorola I had something called "info services" that told me the name of what tower it thought I was talking to. Can I get that on N900? Jan 12 23:50:18 homezone, O2 sending gauss-wegener coords of BTS, emergency management e.g in Japan, Philipines, USA Jan 12 23:51:17 DocScrutinizer, hm interesting, didnt know :) Jan 12 23:51:42 jonwil: thre's no such thing like "tower" BTS names. You can get the CellID, via netmon Jan 12 23:52:17 These "info services" messages were listed somehow under SMS or something Jan 12 23:52:36 yes, that's cell broadcast SMS Jan 12 23:52:59 some carriers may send "name" of a BTS aka tower Jan 12 23:53:22 DocScrutinizer: whats the main menu? do not find it in panel and settings Jan 12 23:53:25 i have read so bad things about N900 that im a litte bit afraid about it. on the other hand i want a device witch i really own. no ios, no android. symbian is more and more outdated and not open source enoght so i tought the N900 is the right device for me Jan 12 23:54:24 settings -> internet connections -> connections -> -> edit ---> advanced Jan 12 23:54:49 ThreeM: are you a Linux user? Jan 12 23:54:51 sid_on: ^^^ Jan 12 23:56:09 alterego yes Jan 12 23:56:36 ubuntu in my notebook, debian on my homeserver, busybox an my router and gosamy on my tv :) Jan 12 23:56:46 jonwil: now that I think about it, T-Mo here in Germany sent area code of the town you were in Jan 12 23:57:08 jonwil: anyway it's all CBSMS Jan 12 23:57:11 at work i administrate suse, hp-ux and a lot of rhel serves Jan 12 23:57:46 is CBSMS something that Nokia would need to add in the baseband radio firmware or is it something someone could add by adding some sort of 3rd party code running on the linux side? Jan 12 23:57:53 ThreeM: then there's nothing to get scared about for you, in N900 Jan 12 23:57:59 you'll love it Jan 12 23:58:01 ThreeM: then the N900 is definitely what you need in your life ;) Jan 12 23:58:21 jonwil: needs support from baseband Jan 12 23:58:27 ok damn :( Jan 12 23:58:30 yep Jan 12 23:58:43 DocScrutinizer: thanks; wrt does not dhcp dns for unknown reason... Jan 12 23:58:43 that's why [2011-01-13 00:39:41] and I bet even if that obscure update ever happens, we won't see e.g cellbroadcast fixed Jan 12 23:58:50 ThreeM, whats gosamy? Jan 12 23:58:57 That was a usefull feature to have on my Z6 Jan 12 23:59:10 and I remember even e.g. crappy no-feature Nokias that did it Jan 12 23:59:13 gosamy is a firmware for samsung tvs to anable features like faster channel switching Jan 12 23:59:29 ah Jan 13 00:00:28 http://www.samygo.tv/ Jan 13 00:00:30 jonwil: virtually every brick does it, only Nokia N900 Rapuyama BB5 modem firmware seems to be intentionally crippled Jan 13 00:00:34 only for samsung tvs Jan 13 00:00:49 yeah ok i dont have a samsung Jan 13 00:01:11 It seems like N900 is missing a number of features found on e.g. N95 and other higher end Nokias for some reason Jan 13 00:04:42 but I have no regrets buying one Jan 13 00:05:32 i like the awsome windowmanager. noting i have seen, eg. ios, android, symbian, is so intuitive and nice. Jan 13 00:05:53 yeah i like mine too, also the fact that you dont need to `jailbreak' it like some other phones... Jan 13 00:05:58 I am glad I didnt make the stupid decision and buy the HTC Desire Z (which would have cost me twice as much and required dodgy hacks just to run my own kernel) Jan 13 00:06:21 but th keyboard on the htc is nice Jan 13 00:06:38 ok; thats strange; fresh installed system; from shell dns recuests are possible; package manager fails; after i ping downloads.maemo.nokia.com from shell it works (dns cache) Jan 13 00:06:50 but a have used android for about 4 days and i realize that is not the right one for me. im not an facebook social network guy Jan 13 00:10:57 any chance that nokia will open maemo and the driovers completly?! Jan 13 00:11:37 i guess, nobody knows :) Jan 13 00:12:50 I can tell you right now that the answer is essentially no Jan 13 00:13:14 ThreeM: all that work has moved to MeeGo, somethings will never be open but at least they're being kept up-to-date in MeeGo Jan 13 00:14:09 so ok, i think i found my device :) Jan 13 00:14:23 N900 with 2 akkupacks :) Jan 13 00:14:42 akkupack is? Jan 13 00:14:56 batteries Jan 13 00:15:00 ok Jan 13 00:15:04 ahh sorry, im from germany. batteries i mean Jan 13 00:16:38 ThreeM: don't forget a decent external charger for the batteries Jan 13 00:17:51 hehe, i get it Jan 13 00:17:54 ThreeM: btw most (95%) of kernel drivers are foss. Some of the "middleware" though is not, like mce which does all the LED management and much more Jan 13 00:18:33 AFAIK the only N900 kernel driver that isnt open source is the GPU driver Jan 13 00:18:37 or am I wrong on that? Jan 13 00:18:38 I guess even 100% of kernel are foss Jan 13 00:18:54 ah thats sounds good Jan 13 00:19:02 jonwil: yep, and even there I'm not sure it's a kernel driver Jan 13 00:19:15 If there is nothing tied to a specific kernel version, that's GREAT for the future Jan 13 00:19:27 what kernel does maemo use? Jan 13 00:19:30 Android is plagued with binary blobs and ties to specific kernel versions Jan 13 00:19:33 .28 ? Jan 13 00:19:51 Linux t900 2.6.28.10power46 #1 PREEMPT Sun Dec 12 03:11:24 EET 2010 armv7l unknown Jan 13 00:21:22 jonwil: there are more binary blobs on maemo than you'd like to have, that's for sure. Just none of them in kernel Jan 13 00:21:37 thats what I mean Jan 13 00:21:44 Actually the kernel part of the sgx driver is foss, in meego the kernel space is 100 pc foss Jan 13 00:22:06 alterego: duh, and in maemo? Jan 13 00:22:21 the kernel part of all the video drivers is foss, but no one cares :/ Jan 13 00:22:31 cause all the good stuff, isn't Jan 13 00:22:36 exactly Jan 13 00:22:38 That means that the N900 could be the first linux cellphone with an untainted kernel :) Jan 13 00:23:03 nope, Neo 1973 was Jan 13 00:23:04 I think the openmoko won that award Jan 13 00:23:12 * Jan 13 00:23:12 yep Jan 13 00:24:05 why openmoko died btw? Jan 13 00:24:11 meh Jan 13 00:24:15 if you want open osmoconbb :D Jan 13 00:24:21 venture capital things Jan 13 00:24:45 openmoko was open, sure, but the hardware was obsolete before it even left the factory. Jan 13 00:24:57 and it looks terrible Jan 13 00:25:06 that's the price you pay for using open components Jan 13 00:26:14 every idiot can buy newest samsung CPU PC5 or whatever, and build a state of the art phone. But how do you deliver the CPU manual to your customers? Jan 13 00:26:47 so openmoko also did the hardrive parts? Jan 13 00:27:13 same goes for every single chip that has some registers you want your customers to have control over them Jan 13 00:27:37 pitty we don't have fully open phone Jan 13 00:28:07 ZogG_work: I dunno what harddrive you're talking about, but at the time of design, the datasheets for almost all chips of FR were public Jan 13 00:28:18 heh, t-mob UK is knida backing down Jan 13 00:28:31 DocScrutinizer: i mean chips Jan 13 00:28:53 it's been especially nasty of samsung to revoke the s3c2442 manual later on Jan 13 00:29:03 they claim they never meant to say they were applying FUP changes to existing customers Jan 13 00:29:27 and glamo GFX chip was a special case, a really special case Jan 13 00:29:41 I think I'm gonna have to start storing my wip projects on the N900, with a full toolchain. Jan 13 00:29:57 even in the non-phone space, its almost impossible to find an ARM SOC that is in any way open (ask the OLPC XO guys how hard it is) Jan 13 00:30:07 Then I can use Qt creator on the desktop and continue using vi on the N900 for little fixes. Jan 13 00:31:12 anyhow, bedtime for me. Jan 13 00:31:57 ZogG_work: and we managed even to convince u-blox guys so I was allowed to publish their schematics included in FR schem Jan 13 00:32:10 nice Jan 13 00:32:16 wierd it died Jan 13 00:32:40 what is u-blox? Jan 13 00:33:10 I think the solution for the next "open" Jan 13 00:33:13 phone Jan 13 00:33:15 uBlox is the GPS chip (manuf) of FR Jan 13 00:33:41 would be to have a little seperate thing for the radio similar to whats in those 3G dongles Jan 13 00:33:47 Swiss guys, rather openminded Jan 13 00:33:54 there is also a new project - gta04 Jan 13 00:34:03 yeahyeah Jan 13 00:34:13 gta04? Jan 13 00:34:22 Nikolaus over in Munich is doing that Jan 13 00:34:31 goldelico Jan 13 00:35:07 funny they called it gta04 XP Jan 13 00:35:08 they only change the mainboard; case, gps, screen is the same Jan 13 00:35:26 My understanding is that the next project was going to be something that was basically a FreeRunner minus the cellular radio and the Glamo graphics chip Jan 13 00:35:31 and with a few other small changes Jan 13 00:36:01 that's GTA03, it's dead since ~2 years Jan 13 00:36:10 oh ok Jan 13 00:36:13 whats GTA04 then? Jan 13 00:36:47 what sid_ says: a gta02 case (YES!) with same screen, but completely new electronics inside Jan 13 00:37:31 ok im going asleep. you relly help me to decide. from now im a N900 user and stay here :) Jan 13 00:37:33 at least *this* incarnation of GTA04, the first non-OM related one. There've been at least 3 GTA04 inside OM prior to that Jan 13 00:38:17 is the plan for this new GTA04 going to include cellular radio? Jan 13 00:38:20 GTA02 -- http://wiki.openmoko.org/wiki/Image:Freerunner02.gif ? Jan 13 00:38:26 sure Jan 13 00:38:43 freerunner is codemane GTA02, yes Jan 13 00:38:58 and you like that case? :) Jan 13 00:39:25 ME??? nah Jan 13 00:40:24 it's outright awfull, but rigid like a rubber ball Jan 13 00:41:22 those phones survived drops from 3rd floor to pavement, and slides from car roof driving @ 30mph Jan 13 00:41:26 a rubber ball isn't rigid Jan 13 00:41:50 unbrrakable then, if you like that better :-) Jan 13 00:42:13 i still have my nokia 3410 because it's so bulletproof Jan 13 00:42:26 i take it places i daren't take the n900 Jan 13 00:43:06 meh, I forgot to send those spare cases to Nikolaus Jan 13 00:43:13 :-S Jan 13 00:43:53 or maybe I should use them for icehockey instead :-P Jan 13 00:44:40 heh Jan 13 00:47:05 DocScrutinizer: did u leave openmoko or u still part of it? Jan 13 00:47:32 openmoko is basically dead. I left 2 years ago Jan 13 00:48:38 is it corporation or it's just some project people doing for fun and their believes in openness Jan 13 00:58:28 At the moment, openmoko corporate is out of the phone buisness. Jan 13 00:59:11 There is a remenant community around the old hardware, and some rumors of new hardware. Also running software developed by the community on other platforms like the n900. Jan 13 00:59:50 so, how much for a new gta02? =) Jan 13 01:02:53 javispedro: DocScrutinizer has some you could buy I think. Jan 13 01:03:06 eh? Jan 13 01:03:57 * GeneralAntilles yawns. Jan 13 01:04:09 aah, yes. Just writing a mail to Nikolaus to get rid of them :-D Jan 13 01:04:53 ah, garbage! Jan 13 01:05:09 I have some ethernet cardbus cards, if anyone wants them =) Jan 13 01:06:29 Neo Freerunner GTA02A7 at just 279 EUR, GTA02A7+ just 299 EUR incl. Debug Board! http://www.handheld-linux.com/wiki.php?page=Neo Freerunner Jan 13 01:07:11 javispedro: if you're interested, mine are cheaper and new Jan 13 01:07:24 (but A6) Jan 13 01:08:31 well, open IS expensive, seems. Jan 13 01:09:38 there's not that much of a difference between the chip cost and assembling cost of a FR and a e.g N900 Jan 13 01:11:29 i dont understand why the companys make such a big secret about there hardware and so on Jan 13 01:11:50 who? Jan 13 01:12:02 aah plural Jan 13 01:12:23 Patents and IP is one reason (i.e. fear that if they open their specs/code, their competitors will pour over them looking for IP violations) Jan 13 01:12:28 it's all about patent trolling and lawyers ging mad on you Jan 13 01:12:40 going* Jan 13 01:12:45 also trade secrets (e.g. not wanting to tell other companies what makes their hardware better than their competitors) Jan 13 01:13:03 yes, exactly Jan 13 01:13:32 it can also be for regulatory/legal reasons (e.g. WiFi or cellular communications) Jan 13 01:13:45 rarely Jan 13 01:13:52 they cannot really beleve that the competetors cannot reverse the things.... and if the do that (reverse engeneering) they know how to find ways to copy it without touch any patents or make it better by there own by avoid the mistakes of the others Jan 13 01:14:04 nobody thinks Jan 13 01:14:12 that Jan 13 01:14:40 in some cases its for DRM reasons (e.g. certain features in ATI video cards not being made open because of DRM) Jan 13 01:14:44 so the hole thing is useless in my eyes Jan 13 01:15:07 ask lawyer Jan 13 01:15:35 jonwil, but the hdmi keys are known anyway... Jan 13 01:15:39 ask why Samsung even revoked their publicly available manual for S3C2442 Jan 13 01:15:42 err hdcp Jan 13 01:15:55 how succsessfuly drm is, we all know. damn 50 years of hightech, and allmost every protection is breakable. no matter if the specs are known or not Jan 13 01:16:08 thats what i meant :) Jan 13 01:16:32 and I heard some vendors that dont want to open their specs/code because their drivers contain all kinds of workarounds and hacks (e.g. to fix bugs in the hardware) and they dont want to admit how crap their drivers/hardware is Jan 13 01:16:45 heh yeah Jan 13 01:16:46 the unbreakable ps3 seems to be a general fail. and when it was discover? after sony removes features Jan 13 01:17:05 it's usually not about keeping stuff secret, but about not geting involved into a legal act of making it available Jan 13 01:17:20 and also religion views Jan 13 01:17:23 ThreeM, yep exactly, after they made the `hackers' mad at them Jan 13 01:17:29 they don't open their drivers cause of it Jan 13 01:17:47 senseless Jan 13 01:19:05 like mark twain said: Only one thing is impossible for God: To find any sense in any copyright law Jan 13 01:20:34 a simple example: if you publish specs of your chip, then n China someone can offer a '100% compatible drop in replacement'. They can't do this when you don't disclose the specs as it sounds odd when there are no specs about the original, so what's it this copycat is claiming then? Jan 13 01:22:59 then quite usually those datasheets are not free of errors. If published you will find somebody sueing you Jan 13 01:23:42 when i was the original company, and such a thing happen, i will went to the chinaman and buy my parts there cause its ceaper then my own Jan 13 01:23:58 competitors try to find paragraphs that *sound* like violating any of their (C) pool Jan 13 01:24:00 if the quality is acceptable?! Jan 13 01:24:08 i'm sueing u all for using #maemo as i have copywrite Jan 13 01:24:39 ThreeM: how would you then sell the product when somebody else is selling it without your markup? Jan 13 01:25:21 ZogG: is that something to do with copy-on-write? Jan 13 01:25:44 if i buy the parts from the same chinaman how will sell copys of my products i can compete with the price and sell it at the same price Jan 13 01:26:02 example? Jan 13 01:26:11 heh, when I buy a N900 then I don't want to read "SoC: TI OMAP3430 ARM Cortex-A8 *compatible* (says copycat Wang)" Jan 13 01:26:31 same thing that amd does with x86 clones Jan 13 01:26:32 ;) Jan 13 01:27:40 ps: Wang also said "will OC to 1.6GHz easily, I swear" Jan 13 01:28:15 :-P Jan 13 01:28:20 or other example: im a mountainbiker, love nightrides. so i decide to to buy a really bright bikelight. i found out that a firm called Lupine build relly good devices, but the costs are 350 bucks Jan 13 01:29:26 uff a lot of money for a bikelight. so im looking at an alternative. and i found one. magicshine. an 1: neraly 1 clone of that Lupine 350 bucks light. but costs only 50 bucks Jan 13 01:30:18 i get to the point right now, be patient :) Jan 13 01:30:31 :-P Jan 13 01:30:41 i wouldn't buy the clone Jan 13 01:30:53 btw what amd x86 clones? Jan 13 01:32:06 you'll not win the speedtyping contest, darling Jan 13 01:32:06 so, after a while the Clone is not an secret anymore, and what happen? Some Companys go to chiniese man and say: make your lamp with different design for a good price. LEGAL no Copyright isue between lupine and the others. the build quality is the same, no much issues on that device Jan 13 01:32:30 im not english native speaker ;) Jan 13 01:33:00 DocScrutinizer: Wang also offers "dual-sim" :) Jan 13 01:33:19 what's this wang you speak of Jan 13 01:33:22 so lupine is sure pissed off, that there work was cloned. no question. BUT there Still selling there lamps cause about service! Jan 13 01:33:34 javispedro: with OMAP3430 clone? great :-D Jan 13 01:33:47 you can upgrade the lamp for free id new led emmiters are on market and so on. Jan 13 01:33:58 ShadowJK: copycat wang, lives in Shenzen Jan 13 01:34:14 or was it Wong Jan 13 01:34:15 and isn't dual sim standard for the phone-on-a-chip the lowcost mass cloners use? :) Jan 13 01:34:17 omap3430 clone!!! ---> cat /proc/cpuinfo --> arm11 :) Jan 13 01:34:35 so why could it be with IC's the same? why have an iphone so expensive or any other device from the big players? Jan 13 01:34:48 javispedro: now you're speaking Jan 13 01:35:46 ThreeM: the iphone is primarily a fashion accesory, and they jelously legally defend the visual design against ripoffs Jan 13 01:35:46 atm manufactures are invent a product, throw it to the consumer ans say "eat it and die" Jan 13 01:36:06 ThreeM: because they had lots of R&D cost, and because *they _can_ ask for that price* Jan 13 01:36:45 you get poor service, very shot maintanance time, maybe big design flaws, and no willing to clean that up Jan 13 01:36:59 ThreeM: Designing a phone is expensive. Jan 13 01:37:06 oooh yes Jan 13 01:37:20 ThreeM: To get to having 5000 phones for sale, you need several million dollars. Jan 13 01:37:37 ThreeM: this is not counting software cost. Jan 13 01:37:45 esp when going thru 14 protoboards and 6 PVs Jan 13 01:38:04 so cloned who? intel or amd. i mean the thing u talked about? Jan 13 01:38:11 And assuming you can source parts, when vendors are utterly uninterested in dealing with 'tiny' orders of 5000. Jan 13 01:38:39 ok rhe amd/intel was not the best example, maybe the lights too Jan 13 01:38:59 oh it was example? Jan 13 01:39:05 i thought it really happened Jan 13 01:39:08 but is there a really big difference between ipod 1gen, 2.gen 3gs? Jan 13 01:39:09 A light can be designed in perhaps a month by an individual. Jan 13 01:39:16 ThreeM: yes, internally. Jan 13 01:39:22 ZogG the bikelight thing really happen Jan 13 01:39:27 A phone of n900 class will take dozens of man-years Jan 13 01:39:42 hundereds Jan 13 01:39:45 possibly hundreds Jan 13 01:39:57 maybe im to idealistic Jan 13 01:40:16 ThreeM: yeah, newer ipods use encrypted DBs to make it harder to sync with linux Jan 13 01:40:17 For the hw design alone, assuming all the chips are there - maybe a hundred might be fair. Jan 13 01:40:24 BCMM_ ;) Jan 13 01:40:29 yes Jan 13 01:40:31 sw design, and designing the chips too is a huge, huge slice more Jan 13 01:40:51 haha, designing BB5 Jan 13 01:40:55 yeah Jan 13 01:41:03 but how do the companies share with each other Jan 13 01:41:09 It's similar to the argument about wireless spectrum being charged. Jan 13 01:41:14 Wolfgang came to me with his idea to do that on Qi-hw Jan 13 01:41:15 for example nvidia can use cpu for video Jan 13 01:41:21 so they need specs of cpu Jan 13 01:41:29 'It shouldn't be' - at the same time the same people are arguing against more towers. Jan 13 01:42:20 ZogG vor video accelleration/encoding over gpu nvidia provide apis like cuda Jan 13 01:42:26 vor =for Jan 13 01:42:42 but before it? Jan 13 01:42:51 they do share something Jan 13 01:42:59 so you dont have to know how the gpu will do it, you just use the api instead Jan 13 01:43:02 now i heard nvidia would pay intel btw Jan 13 01:43:09 cause of patents problems Jan 13 01:43:09 ZogG: Only when it is strictly in their interests. Jan 13 01:43:21 Otherwise - pretty much no sharing happens. Jan 13 01:43:38 nvidia will inform adobe about the api cause flash is widly spread Jan 13 01:43:57 so they can write on the GPU "works like a charm with adobe flash" Jan 13 01:44:09 SpeedEvil: I found it amusing he thought designing a GSM chip is any simpler than designing a phone Jan 13 01:44:15 so the will poperly sell more gpus than ati Jan 13 01:44:17 :) Jan 13 01:45:17 ok explain. GSM is an internation standard. How many different gsm chip design the world need? Jan 13 01:46:45 we should do hardwireleaks site Jan 13 01:46:57 :) Jan 13 01:47:20 ThreeM: just one perfect one, alas that's not existing yet X-P Jan 13 01:47:39 ThreeM: As a guess, it would not suprise me if there are over 50 GSM chipsets. Jan 13 01:48:00 ThreeM: and probably another hundred combinations of 3g/gsm at least Jan 13 01:48:08 yep Jan 13 01:48:14 so why? what makes the one gsm chip better than the other? Jan 13 01:48:15 hmm Jan 13 01:48:24 power consumption? Jan 13 01:48:28 price Jan 13 01:48:42 interfaces and ease of using them? Jan 13 01:48:44 Price, availability, power consumption, regulatory issues and risk, ... Jan 13 01:48:53 added values (buzzword GPS) Jan 13 01:49:05 Do you think that the chipmaker is at risk of being accused of dumping, for example. Jan 13 01:49:07 RISK, yeah Jan 13 01:49:19 in hw all is about risk management Jan 13 01:49:27 Which may mean you suddenly can only get the chips at a 500% markup over what cost you agreed. Jan 13 01:49:51 or not at all, or with a nasty bug that kills your design Jan 13 01:49:55 Or you can't get them in teh desired package, and have to redesign. Jan 13 01:50:46 ask Nokia about usb-host and TWL4030 GAIA chip. They will teach you Jan 13 01:51:00 ? Jan 13 01:51:02 yeah Jan 13 01:51:17 the original n900 wasn't supposed to have an extra USB interface chip. Jan 13 01:51:51 ah it was only added bc of that eu regulation? Jan 13 01:51:53 then someone realised late in the design that the twl4030 couldn't do some aspects of charger detection, so another chip got put on the board - boosting costs by maybe a dollar. Jan 13 01:51:57 then it turned out TWL4030 has a few silicon erata, and also missed a function Jan 13 01:52:09 :( Jan 13 01:52:10 BCMM_: not encrypted, just signed with cryptographic signature Jan 13 01:52:47 yeah, i knew it was some kinda secure hashing - same effect Jan 13 01:52:56 i thought the gaia was designed to be usb host?! or not? Jan 13 01:53:01 that's why USB got delayed to a point where Nokia couldn't afford to wait any longer to get cert for USB host done Jan 13 01:53:11 hmm Jan 13 01:53:15 ThreeM: yes, but there were other problems Jan 13 01:53:17 ...and swapped USB AB receptacle for a B one Jan 13 01:54:41 and who host mode work now? im read that there is a solution for usb host Jan 13 01:55:05 ThreeM: GAIA includes a PHY block. But alas it's been flawed for USB2.0 in several ways, until recent versions of chip Jan 13 01:55:18 ~hostmode Jan 13 01:55:18 hostmode is probably http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527 Jan 13 01:55:32 good night people Jan 13 01:55:38 night jacekowski Jan 13 01:55:43 ThreeM: yes, we fixed it (well, actually mostly me and Paul) Jan 13 01:57:06 by exploiting nasty test features of OMAP SoC musb core that were never meant for hostmode user grade operation Jan 13 01:57:34 ok slow. understand it right that the chip CAN do USB Hsot but Nokia has problems with it so they dont implement it in the offical kernel? Jan 13 01:58:02 and also digging out some other details of how to operate parts of N900 in a way Nokia never meant to disclose Jan 13 01:58:36 and the acctual solution is a workaround to get the chip work probertly in a way nokia wasnt able to do that? Jan 13 01:58:56 ThreeM: GAIA got discarded (the USB part of it). The new chip is missing a function needed for hostmode as we know it. Jan 13 01:59:09 ThreeM: yes, exactly Jan 13 01:59:11 ThreeM, everyone, noy just nokia, has problems running it in host mode Jan 13 01:59:17 and it still wouldn't pass usb certification :) Jan 13 01:59:22 yes Jan 13 01:59:45 uff ok, now im reallize that im thinking to easy :) Jan 13 01:59:47 Nokia actively discarded hostmode as they had not enough time to pass USB cert Jan 13 02:00:51 also I wonder how they would have planned to enable hostmode via sw, as 1707 PHY doesn't support that Jan 13 02:01:09 i prefer to believe that the awesome power of the community allows it to add hardware features in software packages Jan 13 02:01:11 GAIA TWL4030 PHY would, I guess Jan 13 02:01:19 now where's my laser? Jan 13 02:01:46 BCMM_: coming next year, on OVI Jan 13 02:01:52 hehe Jan 13 02:01:59 haha Jan 13 02:02:44 i'm sure it'll be just like that tethering app and we'll have it for free with kernel-power after a couple of months Jan 13 02:02:56 * DocScrutinizer thinks he should finaly finish and roll out new booston.sh / jrbme.0.0.0.1 for h-e-n Jan 13 02:03:15 before starting lazers project Jan 13 02:03:55 damn the hole moneymaking will destroy my dreams of an foss world :) Jan 13 02:04:53 your dreams are distorted, foss and moneymaking are *not* mutually exclusive Jan 13 02:06:22 i see this on enterprice linuxes Jan 13 02:06:27 but Jan 13 02:07:23 why this work with software but not with hardware? Jan 13 02:07:32 ok linux has a huge community Jan 13 02:07:59 simple answer: copying hardware cost money. Copying bytes not Jan 13 02:08:58 Copying bytes not <-- you have to buy harddiscs or dvds or other media Jan 13 02:09:01 actually copying hw cost a hellufalot of money, when it comes to cloning chips etc Jan 13 02:09:15 yeah, any amateur can make a modified linux kernel. all the docs in the world won't make constructing a modified phone cheap Jan 13 02:09:41 hm ok Jan 13 02:10:06 so how come current_now says my n900 is using 800 microamps yet the lcd is running? Jan 13 02:10:19 * BCMM_ searches youtube for "how to set up a silicon fab in your shed" Jan 13 02:10:22 whut? Jan 13 02:10:46 Psi: by any chance you hooked it up to USB? :-D Jan 13 02:10:53 then i will thanks to anybody who will reverase hardware, and make thinks possible that was not planing to do with it Jan 13 02:11:03 nope, its running 100% on bat Jan 13 02:11:22 meh, current_now is probably a guestimate of bme Jan 13 02:11:32 must be Jan 13 02:11:48 depending on what current_now you are talking about Jan 13 02:12:03 i was just following the wiki after installing power user kernel Jan 13 02:12:12 modprobe bq27x00_battery Jan 13 02:12:18 then cat current_now Jan 13 02:12:19 ooh Jan 13 02:12:28 that one should be correct Jan 13 02:12:48 though I heard it doesn't work concurrently to bme Jan 13 02:13:33 at very least bme breaks on modprobe bq27x00_battery, on next start bme Jan 13 02:14:07 also I'm not sure about the units in /sys/*/*/current_now Jan 13 02:14:13 might as well be mA Jan 13 02:14:19 it's raw chip output Jan 13 02:14:26 or the whole driver might be flawed Jan 13 02:14:28 It's not mA Jan 13 02:14:39 then it shall be uA, yes Jan 13 02:15:04 maybe bme just tried to read bq27200 and messed up the readout Jan 13 02:15:46 i was getting between 500 and 800 with the lcd on. Now ive let the lcd black itself and ssh'ed in. It changes between 55, 250 and 800 now Jan 13 02:15:49 n * 3.57/22 mA Jan 13 02:15:53 IIRC Jan 13 02:16:14 See http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Software_Power_management Jan 13 02:16:20 OUCH Jan 13 02:16:34 *raw* chip output, yeah - LOL Jan 13 02:16:53 how utterly useful Jan 13 02:17:11 hehe Jan 13 02:18:07 that makes more sense, 800 would be 129mA Jan 13 02:18:12 ok, now im really go to sleep. 3hous lest befor back to work. thx for the nice talk, maybe tomorrow im back with my new device Jan 13 02:18:41 SpeedEvil: we got that 22mR documented anywhere? Jan 13 02:19:05 dunno Jan 13 02:19:19 ThreeM: got or will get new device? Jan 13 02:19:31 will get :) Jan 13 02:19:34 :-D Jan 13 02:19:46 ThreeM: good night Jan 13 02:20:41 must say that multimedia version of space quest 4 running inside dosbox is much better with overclocked kernel :) Jan 13 02:21:09 im prevously own an N900 but get jeaulous about the htc desire hd from my wife. so i switched to htc desire after 2 days. now after 4 days with android im missing the N900. on the next N900 try i will ignore my wife ;) Jan 13 02:21:12 * DocScrutinizer growls Jan 13 02:21:14 and there phone Jan 13 02:21:17 Psi: do you happen to know if it is a protected mode game? Jan 13 02:21:51 sorry, i dont know, it displays no DOS4GW when it starts tho Jan 13 02:22:01 yeah, then prolly not Jan 13 02:23:25 Psi: have you edited your dosbox.conf file? Jan 13 02:23:29 yes Jan 13 02:23:40 would you like it? Jan 13 02:24:03 nope, I want to ask you to change core=auto to core=dynamic and tell me if you feel it is any faster Jan 13 02:24:56 its not laggy anymore so i dont think i would notice even if it was faster Jan 13 02:24:58 but ill try Jan 13 02:26:59 if you have the time test it under stock frequency :) Jan 13 02:27:30 explanation: core=dynamic enables recompiler for real mode Jan 13 02:29:49 just had a look, i already have set core=dynamic Jan 13 02:29:51 iirc someone on #meego-arm tested with a jig and found RS=21 gave results closest to that of a Fluke Jan 13 02:30:49 ShadowJK: yes, that's why I asked if we got that documented for the general public Jan 13 02:31:13 pretty sure i found core=dynamic was fastest when i played around with the settings a while ago Jan 13 02:31:24 Psi: forget about your x86 assumptions Jan 13 02:31:36 ah, you mean playing on a n900? Jan 13 02:31:37 this was on the n900 Jan 13 02:32:03 yeah, i tried a lot of different dosbox on n900 settings with spacequest 4 a while back and found the fastest ones Jan 13 02:32:58 DocScrutinizer, he just mentioned it on irc. Maybe throw it onto a wikipage? Jan 13 02:33:09 that's what I meant Jan 13 02:33:44 SpeedEvil is the god of wiki hw docs, so I asked him if he got it included already Jan 13 02:34:03 Psi: well, good to know that the recompiler works better for at least one game :) Jan 13 02:34:15 heh, yep :) Jan 13 02:50:44 Hello Jan 13 02:50:56 Does anyone have a good method of syncing their phone up with google calendar? **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Jan 13 02:59:58 2011