**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Jan 15 03:00:01 2011
Jan 15 03:00:16 <kpoman> just bought a n900, tuning it a bit. anyone has a killer app for battery life ?
Jan 15 03:00:25 <kpoman> even if it downclocks the cpu or whatever ?
Jan 15 03:00:30 <mikki-kun> hu?
Jan 15 03:00:40 <mikki-kun> you want longer battery life?
Jan 15 03:00:45 <kpoman> yep
Jan 15 03:00:58 <kpoman> also want usb host mode support
Jan 15 03:00:59 * mikki-kun wants as well longer battery life :)
Jan 15 03:01:09 <kpoman> and every update available or geeky stuff :p
Jan 15 03:01:17 <mikki-kun> i think jacekowski bought an insanely good one
Jan 15 03:01:19 <kpoman> already got debian image, conky, etc...
Jan 15 03:01:57 <mikki-kun> kpoman: you will want selective updates i assume... they will eat ressources and make your boot slow and sluggish and all that stuff ;)
Jan 15 03:02:58 <kpoman> mmm why would I want that ? I already installed faster app manager :p
Jan 15 03:03:06 <kpoman> I want the thing fast and long battery life
Jan 15 03:03:16 <mikki-kun> MohammadAG: btw, i still get the old error regarding proximityd :/
Jan 15 03:03:28 <kpoman> and I want usb host mode support because I plan to develop biometric applications for it
Jan 15 03:03:53 <mikki-kun> h-e-n is the package
Jan 15 03:04:42 <kpoman> mikki-kun: to me ?
Jan 15 03:05:21 <BCMM> kpoman: do you use a wireless network at home? the "killer app" is making sure power-saving is set up right on your router
Jan 15 03:05:31 <kpoman> cool, found. installing
Jan 15 03:05:47 <BCMM> the n900 will stay connected to the wireless, on battery, for *days* if that's working right
Jan 15 03:05:57 <mikki-kun> kpoman: yes
Jan 15 03:05:58 <BCMM> it's often off by default, though
Jan 15 03:05:59 <kpoman> BCMM: i have a dd-wrt router. what do you mean with that ?
Jan 15 03:06:56 <SpeedEvil> kpoman: the AP needs to properly support wireless powersaving.
Jan 15 03:07:06 <BCMM> kpoman: there is a power-saving feature supported by certain routers, and by the n900. i'm trying to remember what it's called
Jan 15 03:07:11 <kpoman> SpeedEvil: do you know if ddwrt is able to do that ?
Jan 15 03:07:16 <SpeedEvil> kpoman: this is a fairly low-level protocol the AP and the client negotiate, to save power.
Jan 15 03:07:25 <kpoman> SpeedEvil: and also I do use dataplan half of the day
Jan 15 03:07:31 <SpeedEvil> kpoman: I would imagine it's totally dependant on how much it supports your hardware.
Jan 15 03:07:31 <BCMM> if your router supports it, the n900 can sit idle, connected to wifi, for a very long time
Jan 15 03:07:49 <SpeedEvil> kpoman: 3G is regrettably power-using. 2G isn't nearly as bad.
Jan 15 03:07:59 <SpeedEvil> yeah - 5 days or more
Jan 15 03:08:05 <kpoman> I was looking at conky connexions and there are almost none of them
Jan 15 03:08:09 <BCMM> is it WMM??
Jan 15 03:08:36 <mikki-kun> hm, where is the correct place to place startup scripts in maemo?
Jan 15 03:08:39 <BCMM> kpoman: yeah, WMM power save
Jan 15 03:09:01 <BCMM> kpoman: also, 3G data kills your battery. use 2g, or disconnect from the net when you aren't using it
Jan 15 03:09:07 <mikki-kun> cause i want a command executed, but cannot recall anymore where to put those small snippets of code
Jan 15 03:09:19 <BCMM> kpoman: oh, and for an actual application to save battery, simple brightness applet can turn down the screen brightness
Jan 15 03:09:32 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: The incorrect place is just to setup a queen-beecon to do it on desktop startup
Jan 15 03:09:55 <BCMM> kpoman: (there is a status applet available for temporarily disabling 3g)
Jan 15 03:10:06 <mikki-kun> nahhh, that sounds just wrong
Jan 15 03:10:13 <mikki-kun> and i need for one of them root-support
Jan 15 03:10:19 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: yeah - wrong. But easy.
Jan 15 03:10:29 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: sudo
Jan 15 03:10:32 <mikki-kun> there must be like a file to do it, right?
Jan 15 03:11:28 <SpeedEvil> Yes - look around /etc/rc*
Jan 15 03:12:10 <mikki-kun> which one of the rc's is it?
Jan 15 03:12:25 <mikki-kun> there are 7 different ones :/
Jan 15 03:12:57 <kpoman> BCMM: i already put 2g here at home where I have wifi. however, is 2g able to establish tcpip and download emails ?
Jan 15 03:13:00 <mikki-kun> is it rc6.d?
Jan 15 03:13:07 <kpoman> and btw, is there a better imap client for this phone ?
Jan 15 03:13:32 <BCMM> kpoman: yeah, 2G does support internet connections - it's just really slow
Jan 15 03:13:38 <mikki-kun> kpoman: there will be if you write a superior one :)
Jan 15 03:14:08 <BCMM> kpoman: but if, for example, you wanted it to stay online an regularly check for new emails, it'd last longer on 2g
Jan 15 03:14:28 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: IIRC rc.6 starts up most of it
Jan 15 03:14:29 <BCMM> iirc, when you're actually using it, screen brightness is a pretty big deal
Jan 15 03:15:01 <SpeedEvil> mikki-kun: then /etc/X11/Xsession.post is run when X comes up
Jan 15 03:17:53 <BCMM> is WMM-PS the same thing as PSM?
Jan 15 03:25:32 <kpoman> BCMM: see, I used to have a blackberry and the email part is really exceptional
Jan 15 03:25:41 <kpoman> for example the fact to download only a part of the eail
Jan 15 03:25:43 <kpoman> email
Jan 15 03:25:47 <kpoman> and download as you read it
Jan 15 03:25:55 <kpoman> or the attachment handling, etc...
Jan 15 03:26:16 <kpoman> I wonder if the imap protocol has the ability, on multipart emails, to download specific parts and not the whole
Jan 15 03:26:28 <kpoman> to be able to do some kind of caching of the text part
Jan 15 03:26:30 <kpoman> or whatever
Jan 15 03:26:40 <kpoman> I wonder if I could manage to do some nice python app to do that
Jan 15 03:26:50 <kpoman> like download mail headers and txt part
Jan 15 03:27:01 <kpoman> and download on demand other elements or I dont know
Jan 15 03:27:20 <kpoman> but I think that would mean to have something as middleware between the client and the server
Jan 15 03:27:28 <kpoman> like a cacher application on some rpc or whatever
Jan 15 03:27:45 <kpoman> hard to say :p
Jan 15 03:30:49 <kpoman> ok, flashed to the new kernel
Jan 15 03:30:53 <kpoman> let me see if it boots :p
Jan 15 03:30:55 <kpoman> lol
Jan 15 03:31:34 <kpoman> cool it booted
Jan 15 03:32:24 <kpoman> still anyone around ? :p
Jan 15 03:33:14 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jan 15 03:33:21 <kpoman> oki
Jan 15 03:33:30 <SpeedEvil> In principle, you could do a server-side app for that, even if imap can't.
Jan 15 03:33:59 <kpoman> about tuning, SpeedEvil, I installed a swappolube app ... is it safe to make it permanent ?
Jan 15 03:34:14 <SpeedEvil> As far as I understand, yes
Jan 15 03:34:17 <DocScrutinizer> probably /etc/X11/Xsession.post is the right place for most interactive things and X related things to autostart. For the rest (system things) there's /etc/init.d/*  for the actual script and /etc/rc2.d/(S|K)* for the links according to sysV init
Jan 15 03:34:21 <SpeedEvil> that's just choosing different defaults
Jan 15 03:34:36 <kpoman> SpeedEvil: ok but why arent those "safe" defaults part of the main kernel ?
Jan 15 03:34:39 <kpoman> or distro
Jan 15 03:35:03 <kpoman> if they are common sense and better feeling of the os ?
Jan 15 03:35:18 <SpeedEvil> kpoman: There are many things that aren't in the stock distribution that are arguably better.
Jan 15 03:36:00 <SpeedEvil> In short - maemo - the 'edges' - are unpolished.
Jan 15 03:36:13 <SpeedEvil> Perhaps a lot more effort could go into optimisation.
Jan 15 03:36:21 <SpeedEvil> This is a problem in a corproate environment.
Jan 15 03:36:34 <SpeedEvil> As people typically get tasked 'do x'.
Jan 15 03:36:37 <SpeedEvil> So they do it.
Jan 15 03:36:44 <kpoman> aha
Jan 15 03:36:48 <SpeedEvil> They don't go fiddling around optimising stuff they're paid for
Jan 15 03:36:50 <jonwil> I am hoping that the community SSU (or a similar project) can deliver some of the polish Nokia hasn't
Jan 15 03:36:59 <kpoman> SpeedEvil: do you think meego would be a good evolution on all this ?
Jan 15 03:37:00 <SpeedEvil> So if it boots, and doesn't crash, and mostly works
Jan 15 03:37:05 <kpoman> a big perf improvement ?
Jan 15 03:37:20 <SpeedEvil> I have not investiaged meego enough to comment
Jan 15 03:37:32 <jonwil> MeeGo wont magically make your N900 run faster
Jan 15 03:37:41 <kpoman> do you think the idea is being a new challenger to ios and android ?
Jan 15 03:38:07 <DocScrutinizer> yes, that's the bad part of meego
Jan 15 03:38:08 <SpeedEvil> I think that was the idea.
Jan 15 03:38:32 <kpoman> I hope it doesnt get java on it :p
Jan 15 03:38:38 <kpoman> I hate java :P love python
Jan 15 03:39:05 <DocScrutinizer> I hope java will be our biggest concern with maeego
Jan 15 03:39:21 <kpoman> oops
Jan 15 03:39:50 <DocScrutinizer> but I see much worse things coming, like DRM/secuity-framework for example
Jan 15 03:39:56 <kpoman> why did they switch to rpm instead of deb in meego ?
Jan 15 03:40:06 <DocScrutinizer> why not?
Jan 15 03:40:34 <kpoman> I dont know ... ubuntu uses deb and works pretty well on large varied hardwares
Jan 15 03:40:43 <kpoman> and has large community behin
Jan 15 03:40:45 <jonwil> I hope Nokia doesn't lock down MeeGo in the way Apple, Microsoft and the android vendors lock down their platforms
Jan 15 03:40:53 <kpoman> why not an ubuntu or debian derivative ?
Jan 15 03:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> actually I don't care at all which format the pkgs for my app manager are
Jan 15 03:41:20 <kpoman> I know :(
Jan 15 03:42:06 <DocScrutinizer> ubuntu is fubar, simply put
Jan 15 03:42:49 <kpoman> maybe it will get a real arm branch
Jan 15 03:43:26 <kpoman> because of the amount of arm processors nowadays
Jan 15 03:43:36 <kpoman> they do have the 64
Jan 15 03:43:51 <fosstux> Hi! When backupping my data from Mydocs/cities I get read Error: I/O error.
Jan 15 03:43:51 <DocScrutinizer> who cares? http://xkcd.com/424/
Jan 15 03:44:17 <javispedro> aha!
Jan 15 03:44:24 <javispedro> module-nokia-voice is the one touching the mixer
Jan 15 03:44:35 <DocScrutinizer> meh :-D
Jan 15 03:44:36 <fosstux> What can I do to backup my cities dorectory? Including diskcache - there the problem exists
Jan 15 03:45:08 <DocScrutinizer> hm
Jan 15 03:45:30 <kpoman> do someone know where all the contacts are stored ? is it some sqlite stuff or what ? can I massively edit, say, the phone numbers to add a specific prefix ?
Jan 15 03:45:48 <DocScrutinizer> yes, sqlite3
Jan 15 03:45:56 <jonwil> module-nokia-voice sounds like yet another piece of funky closed code :P
Jan 15 03:46:15 <DocScrutinizer> yep :-S
Jan 15 03:46:16 <kpoman> DocScrutinizer: do you know where the file is ?
Jan 15 03:46:25 <jonwil> ok, so now that I finally got my SDK installed, where can I find a sample app to compile and load onto my device to make sure I am able to properly compile things?
Jan 15 03:46:32 <DocScrutinizer> ~ .addressfoo
Jan 15 03:46:50 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, do a find ~ -name '*db'
Jan 15 03:47:30 <kpoman> ./.osso-abook/db/index_phone.db
Jan 15 03:47:32 <kpoman> oops
Jan 15 03:47:54 <kpoman> I see lot of those
Jan 15 03:47:55 <kpoman> :p
Jan 15 03:47:55 <DocScrutinizer> /home/user/n900-1/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db
Jan 15 03:48:31 <DocScrutinizer> err, sorry, that's been my backup on PC
Jan 15 03:48:54 <DocScrutinizer> so, /home/user/.osso-abook/db/addressbook.db
Jan 15 03:49:01 <kpoman> yep
Jan 15 03:49:23 <kpoman> cool then I'll have to update it with python :p
Jan 15 03:49:49 <DocScrutinizer> actually /home/user/.osso-abook/db/*
Jan 15 03:52:08 <kpoman> ok
Jan 15 03:52:19 <kpoman> I go to sleep now, really late here in brasilia :p
Jan 15 03:52:29 <DocScrutinizer> wut?
Jan 15 03:52:33 <kpoman> I will continue testing stuff tomorrow
Jan 15 03:52:40 <kpoman> ??
Jan 15 03:52:52 <DocScrutinizer> 2011-01-15 04:47
Jan 15 03:53:03 <DocScrutinizer> :-P
Jan 15 03:53:06 <kpoman> here 1h48 am
Jan 15 03:53:12 <kpoman> only :p
Jan 15 03:53:14 <kpoman> however
Jan 15 03:53:32 <kpoman> in, say, 4 hours from now, i will have to give some milk to my baby :p
Jan 15 03:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, you're right... time for another coffee
Jan 15 03:53:36 <mikki-kun> isn't it like 8PM there only?
Jan 15 03:53:46 <kpoman> no, really really late :p
Jan 15 03:54:00 <mikki-kun> ohhh, sorry, seems my provider really is having a hard time keeping my internet up -.-
Jan 15 03:54:04 <DocScrutinizer> time for 12648430
Jan 15 03:55:41 <kpoman> thank you for your time dudes
Jan 15 03:55:44 <kpoman> have good nite
Jan 15 03:55:51 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Jan 15 03:55:53 <DocScrutinizer> n8
Jan 15 03:55:59 <kpoman> see ya soon, will have tons of questions for my biometric app :)
Jan 15 03:56:10 <kpoman> (like installing pylons, libusb, etc...)
Jan 15 03:56:12 <kpoman> hehe
Jan 15 03:56:14 <kpoman> nite !
Jan 15 03:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> looking forward to it
Jan 15 03:56:33 <DocScrutinizer> glad to help, esp with h-e-n
Jan 15 03:56:57 <kpoman> yep it worked fine, even if i still dont have the fem-fem usb cable
Jan 15 03:56:59 <jonwil> ok, so where can I get a sample program using QT that I can then compile in scratchbox and put on my device (to be sure that I can compile QT apps before I start writing some of my own)
Jan 15 03:57:01 <kpoman> will buy one tomorrow
Jan 15 03:57:52 <jonwil> google for "qt maemo" doesnt show anything usefull
Jan 15 03:58:32 <jonwil> aha, http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Getting_started_with_Qt_for_Maemo seems to help
Jan 15 03:58:52 <BCMM> jonwil: you could use one of the regular Qt examples
Jan 15 03:59:11 <BCMM> jonwil: the whole point of Qt is that stuff doesn't have to have been written specifically for the platform you're using...
Jan 15 04:23:07 <jonwil> Whats the correct fu to use to enable extras-devel in scratchbox?
Jan 15 04:23:33 <jonwil> so I can then pull qt-maemo-example to study :)
Jan 15 04:24:37 <jonwil> found it
Jan 15 04:55:47 <javispedro> DocScrutinizer: quite right decision putting the meego.gitorious.org on /topic :)
Jan 15 04:56:08 <javispedro> seemingly this pulse module got split into several other ones
Jan 15 04:56:22 <javispedro> but you can still find some intact parts of it in the gitorious history =)
Jan 15 04:56:49 <javispedro> (meego-multimedia repo)
Jan 15 04:57:46 * javispedro out
Jan 15 05:12:26 <jonwil> ok, so how do I get my test program (that I just made) onto my N900 and how do I run it? I have run dpkg-buildpackage and now have an armel package.
Jan 15 05:13:37 <ShadowJK> I'd install it first?
Jan 15 05:13:54 <RobbieThe1st> Yea... "dpkg -i ./my_package.deb"
Jan 15 05:13:55 <RobbieThe1st> as root
Jan 15 05:14:31 <jonwil> how do I put the file on the N900?
Jan 15 05:16:54 <ShadowJK> I have openssh installed on mine and would probably just scp it over wifi
Jan 15 05:17:21 <ShadowJK> but usb mass storage mode works too I guess
Jan 15 05:17:23 <jonwil> where inside scratchbox does the dpkg file get put?
Jan 15 05:17:30 <DocScrutinizer> I'd open sftp://root@N900 in konqueror
Jan 15 05:19:12 <DocScrutinizer> but then that's just me, and I got ssh key on my N900s, so no pw entry needed
Jan 15 05:19:35 <jonwil> aha now I see it
Jan 15 05:19:38 <jonwil> got the .deb file
Jan 15 05:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> and I got fixed IPs for the N900s, so no bitching from ssh about changed credentials in known_hosts
Jan 15 05:27:40 <jonwil> now I just gotta find where on the phone the memory card is mounted
Jan 15 05:27:50 <jonwil> since that's where the .deb ended up
Jan 15 05:29:38 <jonwil> ok, found it
Jan 15 05:29:48 <jonwil>  /media/mmc1
Jan 15 05:30:45 <jonwil> ok, now its installed, now how the hell do I run my test app?
Jan 15 05:31:55 <DocScrutinizer> *sigh*
Jan 15 05:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> you tried to start it via xterm?
Jan 15 05:32:41 <jonwil> I see the problem
Jan 15 05:32:45 <DocScrutinizer> how is it supposed to get started?
Jan 15 05:32:47 <jonwil> somehow its named src
Jan 15 05:32:49 <jonwil> and not hello
Jan 15 05:32:53 <jonwil> so thats why its not working
Jan 15 05:33:06 <jonwil> working :)
Jan 15 05:33:28 <jonwil> thanks for the help, now I know how to build apps for my N900 and run them :)
Jan 15 05:57:30 <ZogG_work> morning
Jan 15 06:06:05 <ZogG_work> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FGy1857r6yg&feature=player_embedded and http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=t_U6FdjVIfs&feature=player_embedded
Jan 15 07:26:31 <fosstux> Hi! Is it possible to define custom colors for the n900 calendar app?
Jan 15 07:28:19 <RobbieThe1st> Like... a theme?
Jan 15 07:32:25 <fosstux> RobbieThe1st: for one calendar, yes. I can choose between 12 colors as far I know
Jan 15 07:32:36 <fosstux> but MY color is missing#
Jan 15 07:33:07 <fosstux> the calendar uses it to highlight the events in month and week views
Jan 15 07:33:22 <RobbieThe1st> I'm not sure... I've never messed with it
Jan 15 07:33:35 <RobbieThe1st> There's probably a config file somewhere..
Jan 15 09:13:08 <iPeter-> hello
Jan 15 09:13:31 <iPeter-> I'am trying to install android gingerbread for my n900 bzip2: cant create output file gingerbread.tar: read-only filesystem
Jan 15 09:14:30 <iPeter-> that error i get when try bzip2 -d gingerbread.tar.bz2
Jan 15 09:23:31 <Jaffa> iPeter-: You aren't root.
Jan 15 09:25:55 <iPeter-> Jaffa: I'am
Jan 15 09:35:47 <JZA> hi got a question, I got a pretty old maemo 5 version on my N900
Jan 15 09:35:54 <JZA> I got a question regarding which bin should I dl
Jan 15 09:35:59 <JZA> I already go2 two versions
Jan 15 09:36:08 <JZA> RX-51_2009SE_1.2009.42-11.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
Jan 15 09:36:16 <JZA> and RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.19-1.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
Jan 15 09:36:22 <JZA> I never manage to install them
Jan 15 09:36:41 <JZA> and now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
Jan 15 09:40:14 <RobbieThe1st> um...
Jan 15 09:40:17 <RobbieThe1st> Ok, wait
Jan 15 09:40:44 <RobbieThe1st> The second one you listed is what you want - thats the "PR1.3" OS release.
Jan 15 09:40:57 <RobbieThe1st> The third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed
Jan 15 09:41:20 <RobbieThe1st> It's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted.
Jan 15 09:42:07 <RobbieThe1st> As far as flashing goes, make sure you back up all data/prefrences first with the backup tool
Jan 15 09:43:56 <JZA> yeah I'll do that now
Jan 15 09:44:05 <JZA> havent done it in quite some time.
Jan 15 09:45:53 <ZogG_work>  RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
Jan 15 09:53:46 <JZA> ok backup is done. Now lets get started
Jan 15 09:54:35 <JZA> ZogG: umm what you want to say by that? should I use that one?
Jan 15 09:54:59 <ZogG_work> it's the last one
Jan 15 09:55:17 <ZogG_work> look at the date
Jan 15 09:55:28 <JZA> ZogG: thats the one I was downloading right now
Jan 15 09:55:37 <JZA> <JZA> and now I am downloading RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin
Jan 15 09:56:12 <ZogG_work> ok
Jan 15 09:56:19 <ZogG_work> wanted to be sure
Jan 15 09:56:51 <JZA> ZogG: except RobbieThe1st told me <RobbieThe1st> The third file you are downloading shouldn't be needed
Jan 15 09:56:51 <JZA> <RobbieThe1st> It's -only- use is wiping the internal data memory, if it gets corrupted
Jan 15 09:57:07 <JZA> so I got mixed messages now
Jan 15 09:57:24 <RobbieThe1st> wait
Jan 15 09:57:42 <RobbieThe1st> Erm, yea
Jan 15 09:57:49 <RobbieThe1st> he's right. Misread the name
Jan 15 09:57:56 <RobbieThe1st> Third one's the one you want
Jan 15 09:58:07 <RobbieThe1st> One with the highest date = PR1.3
Jan 15 09:58:29 <JZA> ok running the flasher now
Jan 15 10:00:57 <JZA> ah ok there is the error... Unable to enumerate USB buses!
Jan 15 10:02:02 <JZA> http://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg
Jan 15 10:02:06 <JZA> that's what I get
Jan 15 10:02:31 <JZA> that's where I am stuck
Jan 15 10:07:42 <JZA> anyone?
Jan 15 10:07:47 <JZA> RobbieThe1st: any idea
Jan 15 10:07:53 <RobbieThe1st> oh, um...
Jan 15 10:08:00 <RobbieThe1st> What OS?
Jan 15 10:08:07 <JZA> Linux
Jan 15 10:08:26 <RobbieThe1st> It's got to be run as root
Jan 15 10:08:27 <JZA> earlier they told me about doing modprobe ctc...
Jan 15 10:08:32 <JZA> RobbieThe1st: yeah I did that
Jan 15 10:08:44 <RobbieThe1st> Can you paste your command here?
Jan 15 10:08:48 <ZogG_work> JZA: what OS?
Jan 15 10:09:05 <RobbieThe1st> Also, yea - version? what does "uname -a" say?
Jan 15 10:09:12 <ZogG_work> i had simuliar problem with arch
Jan 15 10:09:12 <JZA> ZogG_work: linux
Jan 15 10:09:15 <JZA> modprobe -r cdc_phonet
Jan 15 10:09:23 <JZA> Madriva Linux 2.6
Jan 15 10:09:36 <JZA> 2.6.31.12
Jan 15 10:09:53 <RobbieThe1st> Can you paste the whole "uname -a" string here? You can copy-paste from a terminal with "ctrl+shift+x"
Jan 15 10:10:04 <ZogG_work> there was some kind of modules u have to turn off before
Jan 15 10:10:05 <JZA> Linux mylappy 2.6.31.12-desktop586-1mnb #1 SMP Tue Jan 26 02:59:40 EST 2010 i686 Intel(R) Core(TM)2 Solo CPU    U3500  @ 1.40GHz GNU/Linux
Jan 15 10:10:29 <ZogG_work> were*
Jan 15 10:10:34 <RobbieThe1st> Ok. So, 32-bit. That'lll make it easier..
Jan 15 10:11:47 <RobbieThe1st> To be honest, I've never used Mandriva.
Jan 15 10:12:09 <JZA> RobbieThe1st: so you will blame it on the distro
Jan 15 10:12:22 <RobbieThe1st> No, I'm blaiming it on my lack of knowledge.
Jan 15 10:12:23 <JZA> RobbieThe1st: I had no issues when dealing with N770 or N810
Jan 15 10:13:18 <JZA> ZogG_work: which modules?
Jan 15 10:13:40 <RobbieThe1st> Its cdc_phonet and phonet if I recall
Jan 15 10:14:15 <JZA> modprobe -r phonet
Jan 15 10:14:16 <JZA> FATAL: Module phonet is in use.
Jan 15 10:14:18 <RobbieThe1st> Now, I've tried googling, come up with nothing really for that error. No solutions at least.
Jan 15 10:14:31 <RobbieThe1st> Unload cdc_phonet first
Jan 15 10:14:45 <JZA> did that
Jan 15 10:15:13 <RobbieThe1st> Try "lsmod | grep phonet"
Jan 15 10:15:20 <RobbieThe1st> And copy-paste the lines here
Jan 15 10:16:25 <JZA> ok it worked now
Jan 15 10:16:28 <JZA> but still same result
Jan 15 10:17:01 <RobbieThe1st> Phonet has been unloaded?
Jan 15 10:17:10 <RobbieThe1st> and the command's running as root?
Jan 15 10:17:17 <JZA> RobbieThe1st: yes
Jan 15 10:17:27 <JZA> I doubt I could unload it as regular user
Jan 15 10:17:44 <RobbieThe1st> Then I'm out of ideas. Go grab a current Ubuntu CD, run it as a LiveCD, and do it from there.
Jan 15 10:17:54 <JZA> :S
Jan 15 10:18:08 <JZA> this sucks
Jan 15 10:18:11 <RobbieThe1st> Hey, do you want it working, or want to mess around for a while?
Jan 15 10:18:29 <JZA> well I have been trying for a year
Jan 15 10:18:47 <JZA> now
Jan 15 10:19:14 <JZA> I wanted to have it through OTA but process sucks as well
Jan 15 10:19:52 <RobbieThe1st> Well, what I would argue here is that this is Nokia's binary. They didn't do a superb job compiling it, nor did they give us the sourse.
Jan 15 10:19:55 <RobbieThe1st> *source.
Jan 15 10:20:10 <RobbieThe1st> So, it's to be expected that it won't work with everything.
Jan 15 10:20:21 <trumee_> JZA: what are you trying to accomplish?
Jan 15 10:20:57 <JZA> trumee: update the maemo 5
Jan 15 10:21:27 <JZA> on my n900 but it just dont work
Jan 15 10:21:40 <trumee_> JZA: flasher doesnt write to the N900?
Jan 15 10:21:53 <JZA> I get a reasoning that is because of the distro... which is senseless since it worked with the other devices.
Jan 15 10:22:12 <JZA> trumee: I get this http://jza.pastebin.com/FNjyRZmg
Jan 15 10:22:19 <RobbieThe1st> trumee: He's running Mandriva, and getting " Unable to enumerate USB buses!"
Jan 15 10:22:33 <trumee_> JZA: never seen that before
Jan 15 10:22:46 <RobbieThe1st> Which is -obviously- an OS/flasher problem. Not a N900 problem...
Jan 15 10:22:49 <trumee_> JZA: but i can confirm flasher doesnt work on OpenSuse laptop as well
Jan 15 10:23:22 <trumee_> JZA: but works fine on my desktop running gentoo
Jan 15 10:23:40 <JZA> interesting was reading a similar issue on gentoo http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=839
Jan 15 10:24:08 <JZA> the guy gave up and ran fedora on vm
Jan 15 10:24:11 <RobbieThe1st> It's probably a version thing
Jan 15 10:24:31 <JZA> but my vm doesnt seems to detect usb devices
Jan 15 10:24:40 <RobbieThe1st> The n900 flasher version may require a more recent distro version or a more limited set of distro
Jan 15 10:24:41 <JZA> running on Virtualbox
Jan 15 10:24:44 <trumee_> JZA:but it did work with Windows on the same laptop (i have a dualboot on the laptop). So it is an OS issue i think
Jan 15 10:24:44 <RobbieThe1st> *s
Jan 15 10:25:00 <JZA> trumee: I dont have windows
Jan 15 10:25:00 <JZA> god
Jan 15 10:25:13 <JZA> well thanks for trying
Jan 15 10:25:35 <RobbieThe1st> JZA: Go download a Ubuntu CD. It's FREE. It'll take you a couple of hours. Easy.
Jan 15 10:25:39 <JZA> I'll probably use the evil version of virtualbox eventually and run a vm with it... maybe 2 years from now.
Jan 15 10:26:07 <JZA> thanks for your time
Jan 15 10:26:23 <RobbieThe1st> *sigh*.
Jan 15 10:26:28 <RobbieThe1st> Some people. :\
Jan 15 10:26:57 <trumee_> RobbieThe1st: i would stay away from Ubuntu given a choice :p
Jan 15 10:28:10 <RobbieThe1st> Maby so. I'm using Debian personally.
Jan 15 10:28:16 <RobbieThe1st> Thing is, though, it -works-.
Jan 15 10:43:56 <ZogG_w> i was timeouted
Jan 15 10:44:34 <ZogG_w> did u managed?
Jan 15 10:46:08 <ZogG_w> RobbieThe1st: did he?
Jan 15 11:02:20 <ZogG_w> ruskie: \o/
Jan 15 11:11:53 <RobbieThe1st> ZogG_w: Sorry for responding so late, but no. He didn't.
Jan 15 11:12:13 <ZogG_w> he have to turn off some modules
Jan 15 11:12:20 <ZogG_w> what was his nickname?
Jan 15 11:12:29 <RobbieThe1st> He did try that
Jan 15 11:12:53 <ZogG_w> he needed to turn them off after he connected
Jan 15 11:13:13 <ZogG_w> as they autoturned back
Jan 15 11:13:23 <RobbieThe1st> really? the modules auto-load?
Jan 15 11:13:29 <RobbieThe1st> They won't on Ubuntu...
Jan 15 11:13:40 <RobbieThe1st> username:  JZA (~jza@189.221.119.164.cable.dyn.cableonline.com.mx)
Jan 15 11:14:05 <RobbieThe1st> I mean - you unload em via modprobe, and you're good for that boot. At least, that always worked for me
Jan 15 11:14:06 <ZogG_w> he is offline
Jan 15 11:14:19 <ZogG_w> does he have ubuntu
Jan 15 11:14:28 <ZogG_w> and they are modules to be loaded
Jan 15 11:14:35 <RobbieThe1st> cdc_phonet?
Jan 15 11:14:48 <ZogG_w> this one and other one
Jan 15 11:15:00 <RobbieThe1st> I'm pretty sure you're supposed to -unload- them before using flasher...
Jan 15 11:15:40 <ZogG_w> ubuntu can load them as you connect phone
Jan 15 11:15:49 <ZogG_w> that's the point in modules
Jan 15 11:16:02 <ZogG_w> as they are not built in
Jan 15 11:16:08 <ZogG_w> they are loaded if you need them
Jan 15 11:16:17 <RobbieThe1st> Yea... But still, they need to be -unloaded- to use flasher, right?
Jan 15 11:16:38 <ZogG_w> right
Jan 15 11:16:41 <ZogG_w> u connect phone
Jan 15 11:16:45 <ZogG_w> and than unload them
Jan 15 11:16:51 <ZogG_w> and than start flasher
Jan 15 11:17:29 <RobbieThe1st> Possibly. I -do- recall them being loaded -before- I connected my n900 on my Ubuntu machine, though...
Jan 15 11:20:21 <jhb> Hi, I have a large inbox on my mail server (4000+), and modest first loads all the emails, but from time to time loses most the emails (both on pop and imap). Any ideas?
Jan 15 11:20:45 <ZogG_w> 4000+ is large?
Jan 15 11:20:51 <ZogG_w> i have about 13000 =)
Jan 15 11:20:55 <ZogG_w> nd modest sucks
Jan 15 11:21:16 <jhb> ZogG, ok, I have a modest amount of emails, and modest still is modest :-)
Jan 15 11:21:42 <jhb> ZogG: do you know anything to do besides recreating the account from time to time?
Jan 15 11:22:03 <ZogG_w> delete emails =)
Jan 15 11:22:10 <ZogG_w> but i don't use it onphone
Jan 15 11:22:13 <ZogG_w> any mail client
Jan 15 11:22:19 <ZogG_w> only web from time to time
Jan 15 11:23:14 <jhb> ZogG_w: so no known solution?
Jan 15 11:23:28 <ZogG_w> there are several other clients as far as i know
Jan 15 11:24:43 <jhb> ZogG_w: ok, thx
Jan 15 11:25:22 <ZogG_w> Claws Mail
Jan 15 11:34:03 <piggz> databases may not be the most interesting thing you will do day to day, but you guys may be interested in http://www.piggz.co.uk/kexi/mobile2.png
Jan 15 11:39:28 <lardman> what is it a db app?
Jan 15 11:40:02 <lardman> i.e. generic which the user can design using the UI
Jan 15 11:40:03 <lardman> ?
Jan 15 11:56:02 <piggz> lardman: Kexi from kde/koffice/calligra.....you can design forms and reports on the desktop version, drop the db on the phone, then wander around entering stuff
Jan 15 11:56:14 <lardman> cool
Jan 15 11:56:31 <lardman> do you interface with dbus?
Jan 15 11:56:36 <lardman> for data entry?
Jan 15 11:56:47 <piggz> no....how might that work?
Jan 15 11:57:14 <lardman> I used to do stock taking for my Dad's company when I was at school, and barcode scanning would have made my life so much easier
Jan 15 11:57:38 <lardman> I wrote an application for the Psion 3a to handle the data entry and collation
Jan 15 11:57:44 <piggz> (side note, the reports can print several barcode formats)
Jan 15 11:57:51 <lardman> ah that's interesting
Jan 15 11:58:16 <alterego> lardman: I used to have an Acorn Pocket Book which was a psion clone :D
Jan 15 11:58:29 <lardman> it was just a thought as mBarcode sends out a dbus message when it decodes a barcode, so that would provide an entry method
Jan 15 11:58:30 <alterego> Did you know that os was the makings of symbian? :)
Jan 15 11:58:31 <piggz> i havnt got the forms working yet....i need to port kexi forms from using qt3support
Jan 15 11:58:42 <lardman> alterego: yep, and look what they've done to it! ;)
Jan 15 11:58:44 <alterego> Good ole OPL
Jan 15 11:58:55 <lardman> alterego: yes OPL was great
Jan 15 11:59:14 <alterego> I think my first comple programs were in OPL
Jan 15 11:59:19 <alterego> complete
Jan 15 11:59:50 <lardman> if one could buy a pocket sized Python/PySide reference like the OPL one, that would be great for new devs
Jan 15 11:59:50 <alterego> They bought out a series 60 OPL a few years ago, though I think Python was better by then
Jan 15 12:00:05 <alterego> Oh yeah, the database reference was awesome
Jan 15 12:00:12 <lardman> alterego: and OPL is also open source now, though written in that nasty dialect
Jan 15 12:01:16 <lardman> and as you say no reason to use it in preference to Python these days
Jan 15 12:01:40 * lardman wonders about the Galaxy Tab modem comms and whether the GPS is attached to it
Jan 15 12:01:45 <RST38h> lardman:BTW, the "use first available plugin" feature is a megafail
Jan 15 12:01:56 <lardman> RST38h: oh, what's up?
Jan 15 12:02:14 <RST38h> lardman:Opens 3-4 "Informed Individual" login windows at once
Jan 15 12:02:24 <lardman> RST38h: just disable II
Jan 15 12:02:35 <RST38h> lardman: Tried that, no change
Jan 15 12:02:43 <lardman> hmm, that is odd
Jan 15 12:02:54 <lardman> Certainly disabling plugins used to work
Jan 15 12:03:17 <lardman> The idea of that feature was so that you could leave one plugin enabled and have it automatically called
Jan 15 12:03:47 <lardman> but not to have multiple plugins active unless you're sure they handle different barcode types
Jan 15 12:03:59 <lardman> RST38h: are you using the latest -devel version of the code?
Jan 15 12:04:08 <alterego> I remember writing a piano app in OPL that was cool,
Jan 15 12:04:21 <RST38h> lardman: yep
Jan 15 12:04:24 <alterego> Then I got a 5mx and a revo, those devices were amazing
Jan 15 12:04:35 <lardman> I had (have) an S5
Jan 15 12:05:05 <alterego> I've still got loads of bits of broken psions and acorn clones
Jan 15 12:05:46 <alterego> Unfortunately, being a young bastard I went through one a year
Jan 15 12:05:54 <lardman> RST38h: I can't test as my N900 is broken, I'll have a chat to dragly who just pushed some plugin api changes, something may have broken in the plugin enable/disable code with those changes
Jan 15 12:06:00 <alterego> Always somehow managed to break the screen
Jan 15 12:06:10 <ZogG_w> lardman: is there anything new about QR code for maemo apps?
Jan 15 12:06:25 <lardman> ZogG_w: installation via a code you mean?
Jan 15 12:06:35 <ZogG_w> yeah
Jan 15 12:06:45 <ZogG_w> like i said on tmo
Jan 15 12:06:53 <lardman> I added to the bug in the tracker, but I guess as we're in close down mode at Maemo we don't have much hope really
Jan 15 12:07:08 <RST38h> lardman: yep.The II plugin is weird anyway:I never managed ot get it to work
Jan 15 12:07:15 <lardman> I'm very happy to add stuff to mBarcode though to support any sites who want to use it
Jan 15 12:07:20 <lardman> RST38h: it's not working
Jan 15 12:07:24 <RST38h> oh
Jan 15 12:07:36 <lardman> bbiab
Jan 15 12:08:35 <ZogG_w> lardman i can talk to russian site they use qr code for apps
Jan 15 12:08:58 <ZogG_w> maybe u should make ham:// links or something
Jan 15 12:09:25 <lardman> quite happy to do something like that
Jan 15 12:09:50 <lardman> there is actually code (commented out) in there to read an entire .install file encoded in a QR code
Jan 15 12:10:06 <lardman> but that generates huge QR codes, so a URL is probably easier
Jan 15 12:10:52 <lardman> RST38h: II is dragly's baby, but I don;t think it's finished
Jan 15 12:11:25 <lardman> RST38h: I just uninstall it or disable it (as the last time I was able to run mBarcode, disabling plugins did work :))
Jan 15 12:11:34 <ZogG_w> but it makes u open website anyway
Jan 15 12:11:53 <lardman> ZogG_w: which?
Jan 15 12:12:11 <ZogG_w> i mean when u use .install files
Jan 15 12:12:31 <lardman> there is code in there to generate a local .install file from the contents of the QR code
Jan 15 12:12:38 <ZogG_w> maybe it should open it and sent it straight to ham?
Jan 15 12:12:55 <ZogG_w> not to generate whole install file
Jan 15 12:12:55 <lardman> but we could use urls and parse them and wget the file and send it to the MIME handler yeah
Jan 15 12:13:00 <ZogG_w> just to handle it to ham
Jan 15 12:13:02 <alterego> You can link to an extras .install
Jan 15 12:13:16 <alterego> doesn't that get handled by ham anyway?
Jan 15 12:13:52 <ZogG_w> it is but mbarcode would open browser first
Jan 15 12:14:00 <alterego> Hrm,
Jan 15 12:14:21 <lardman> atm you encode the url to an .install file, mbarcode hands it to the browser which downloads and invokes the mime handler for the .install file, i.e. ham
Jan 15 12:14:43 <RST38h> lardman:can't be removed (pulled in as a dependency) and can'tbe disabled (for unknownreason)\
Jan 15 12:15:09 <lardman> but we could parse all urls looking for a .install ending and then have the mbarcode plugin wget it and invoke the mime handler itself, skipping the browser step
Jan 15 12:15:29 <ZogG_w> but ham
Jan 15 12:15:37 <ZogG_w> it opens install files themselves
Jan 15 12:15:45 <lardman> RST38h: hmm, it used to be possible to remove individual plugins as they were pulled in as part of a meta plugin package
Jan 15 12:16:35 <lardman> RST38h: I'll see what I can do, but I'm a bit stuck without being able to test
Jan 15 12:16:44 <ZogG_w> so if only to send the files straight to ham and skip doanloading part
Jan 15 12:16:48 <lardman> RST38h: can you submit a bug?
Jan 15 12:17:03 <lardman> ZogG_w: that's what I just said above
Jan 15 12:17:07 <ZogG_w> lardman: can u make plugin that makes world better?
Jan 15 12:17:33 <lardman> nuke:// encoding?
Jan 15 12:18:17 <ZogG_w> e-yes has joined
Jan 15 12:18:23 <ZogG_w> let's bug him with android
Jan 15 12:18:38 <ZogG_w> let's make him hate us
Jan 15 12:18:41 <ZogG_w> mwahaha
Jan 15 12:18:42 <lardman> is e-yes an Android guru?
Jan 15 12:19:00 <ZogG_w> lardman: hello, nitdroid dev
Jan 15 12:19:13 <lardman> ah ok
Jan 15 12:19:36 <ZogG_w> i'm really bored
Jan 15 12:19:48 <lardman> we can tell ;)
Jan 15 12:20:01 <ZogG_w> should log into windows to print examples of exams so i can study
Jan 15 12:20:14 <lardman> how's about working out how to talk to the gps/modem on a Galaxy Tab for me
Jan 15 12:20:19 <ZogG_w> lardman: don't u like me? =( what did i do to u?
Jan 15 12:20:35 <ZogG_w> lardman: you should talk english i think
Jan 15 12:20:36 <lardman> ZogG_w: I was taking the mick, don't worry :)
Jan 15 12:23:42 <lardman> e-yes: so you have experience of trying to get Android to talk to a GPS I imagine?
Jan 15 12:26:02 <lardman> Looking at the nitdroid site, I see you almost certainly do as you have ofono on your todo list
Jan 15 12:26:47 * lardman does some Googling about rild
Jan 15 12:31:29 <RST38h> lardman:I can but not right now: dead tired after the transatlantic flight
Jan 15 12:39:32 <reeniginEesreveR> could someone tell me what is the maximum h264 video encoding capability of n900? I'm trying to encode 640x480 in realtime but it seems to be jittering, probably due to getting CPU out. On 320x240 it works well. Can i get some benchmarks on whats the best h264 encoding n900 can do?
Jan 15 12:40:45 <alterego> Are you recording to eMMC or microsd, converting a file or encoding from the camera?
Jan 15 12:47:03 <reeniginEesreveR> im encoding from camera
Jan 15 12:47:11 <reeniginEesreveR> and streaming over local network
Jan 15 12:50:17 <alterego> reeniginEesreveR: hrm, I managed it in 1.1.1 not tried it since and I can't remember the settings.
Jan 15 12:50:27 <alterego> I think encoding is broken in gst anyway.
Jan 15 12:50:48 <reeniginEesreveR> it works well for 320x240 for me
Jan 15 12:50:55 <reeniginEesreveR> on 640x480 CPU usage goes 100%
Jan 15 12:51:03 <reeniginEesreveR> and video is jittery
Jan 15 12:51:14 <reeniginEesreveR> pipeline latency is high
Jan 15 12:51:27 <reeniginEesreveR> I dont think encoding in gst is broken; they've got DSP support as well
Jan 15 12:52:32 <alterego> Yes, that is what's broken.
Jan 15 12:52:39 <alterego> Or at least rubbish
Jan 15 12:52:51 <alterego> vlc would probably work better :)
Jan 15 12:57:33 <lardman> RST38h: thanks, will have a look this arvo anyway
Jan 15 13:00:19 <e-yes> lardman, actually, no. (re: android/gps)
Jan 15 13:00:21 <reeniginEesreveR> vlc is not in respostiories?
Jan 15 13:01:55 <e-yes> I hope to `inherit` this functionality from ofono: http://git.kernel.org/?p=network/ofono/ofono.git;a=commit;h=5eda7e96b197d2d5cd91811944f575bf91a7762d
Jan 15 13:18:44 <KevinB> Hi maemoers!
Jan 15 13:18:56 <KevinB> Which device is called additionnal mmc in general?
Jan 15 13:19:11 <KevinB> /dev/yyy ?
Jan 15 13:19:26 <KevinB> I'm not sure if it s working well
Jan 15 13:19:30 <KevinB> on my n900
Jan 15 13:21:44 <psycho_oreos> /dev/mmc?blk?
Jan 15 13:22:27 <psycho_oreos> err.. /dev/mmcblk?p?
Jan 15 13:25:04 <KevinB> I think my mmc reader is broken, or maybe the checkCoverIsSet function is
Jan 15 13:27:57 <MohammadAG> dmesg will show if the cover is detected, card is /dev/mmcblk1
Jan 15 13:29:19 <KevinB> cover is open
Jan 15 13:29:21 <KevinB> haaaa
Jan 15 13:31:25 <alterego> KevinB: check the light sensor that detects cover open/close
Jan 15 13:31:33 <alterego> It's next to the camera module.
Jan 15 13:39:30 <KevinB> light sensor located, so do I need to reboot for mmc being detected?
Jan 15 13:40:49 <alterego> Shouldn't do
Jan 15 13:40:58 <alterego> You mean micro sd?
Jan 15 13:41:01 <KevinB> yea
Jan 15 13:41:07 <alterego> Is it formatted and whatfs?
Jan 15 13:41:08 <KevinB> addtionnal microSD
Jan 15 13:41:40 <KevinB> it s a meego image (btrfs,swap ...)
Jan 15 13:41:50 <alterego> It wont appear in maemo then
Jan 15 13:41:59 <KevinB> anyway dmesg show cover is open
Jan 15 13:42:02 <alterego> To run meego restart your device.
Jan 15 13:42:03 <KevinB> even I hide the module
Jan 15 13:42:36 <alterego> You have to have uboot kernel or use flasher to load the kernel (without flashing it to mtd)
Jan 15 13:43:11 <alterego> When you replace the cover it should show a banner saying "memory card unsupported" or something like that
Jan 15 13:43:52 <KevinB> ha, well i'm still trying to get this message... seems like the light sensor went crazy
Jan 15 13:44:16 <alterego> hrm, try a reboot then. :)
Jan 15 13:44:36 <KevinB> OK, and I pray
Jan 15 13:44:38 <KevinB> :)
Jan 15 13:45:20 <ShadowJK> the light sensor detects camera door
Jan 15 13:45:25 <ShadowJK> there's a magnet in the battery cover
Jan 15 13:45:30 <ShadowJK> and a magnetic sensor near the infrared sensor that sees if camera door is open or not
Jan 15 13:46:33 <alterego> Oh yeah, might be confusing that, the camera uses light sensor and the cover detection is a magnet?
Jan 15 13:47:20 <ShadowJK> KevinB, the light sensor is NOT used for the mmc
Jan 15 13:47:27 <ShadowJK> the magnetic sensor is
Jan 15 13:47:47 <ShadowJK> there is magnet in battery door, that also holds the kickstand closed
Jan 15 13:48:40 <ShadowJK> hm I think I'm lagged :)
Jan 15 13:49:11 <MohammadAG> I still think that should be disabled
Jan 15 13:56:24 <KevinB> s***, magnet sensor broken
Jan 15 13:56:52 <KevinB> is the solution with gconftool ok?
Jan 15 13:57:12 <ShadowJK> also check if the magnet is there
Jan 15 13:57:23 <ShadowJK> it has been known to fall off :(
Jan 15 13:57:51 <psycho_oreos> the magnet is that little J shaped metal piece?
Jan 15 13:58:22 <alterego> That fell off mine a while ago, I super glued it into place.
Jan 15 14:01:31 <KevinB> I dont event know if I have it still, then
Jan 15 14:01:41 <KevinB> is there a way to disable that security?
Jan 15 14:01:46 <KevinB> I guess not
Jan 15 14:06:14 <KevinB> no special kernel for that? :D
Jan 15 14:06:23 <KevinB> for the forgiven of the magnets
Jan 15 14:07:05 <KevinB> forgotten sorry, my english sucks
Jan 15 15:10:33 <wazd> Heya everyone
Jan 15 15:11:09 <ShadowJK> hai
Jan 15 15:11:11 <toggles> Ciao wazd
Jan 15 15:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: ping
Jan 15 15:33:10 <Gyjf> hey doc
Jan 15 15:34:01 <Gyjf> do you happend to know how to set the fontsize in the terminal via cli?
Jan 15 15:34:40 <lcuk> Gyjf, not sure but press volume keys afaik
Jan 15 15:35:06 <Gyjf> that was easy..
Jan 15 15:35:40 <Gyjf> thx :D
Jan 15 15:36:12 <Pauly> hi
Jan 15 15:38:03 <Pauly> i have n00b question: i need to port qt app to maemo5 but im not sure what i have to install? the scratchbox or maemo5 sdk?
Jan 15 15:40:56 <valdyn> Pauly: iirc the maemo5 sdk includes scratchbox
Jan 15 15:41:55 <Pauly> if i just install scratchbox is that all i need to complie the pro file for maemo?
Jan 15 15:47:52 <Pauly> oh i see i need them both
Jan 15 15:48:02 <valdyn> Pauly: not exactly
Jan 15 15:48:24 <Pauly> im just trying to compile one app
Jan 15 15:48:33 <valdyn> Pauly: http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/e920da1a-5b18-42df-82c3-907413e525fb/Nokia_Qt_SDK.html
Jan 15 15:50:22 <Pauly> thank you so much
Jan 15 15:59:15 <Pauly> valdyn: hi um im gonna sound retarted but i tried running the qt sdk .run file  and get Syntax error: "(" unexpected error?
Jan 15 15:59:37 <valdyn> Pauly: how did you run it?
Jan 15 15:59:48 <Pauly> sudo sh file.run
Jan 15 16:00:30 <valdyn> Pauly: its probably not a shell script
Jan 15 16:01:01 <valdyn> Pauly: or maybe its bash and your sh is not
Jan 15 16:01:15 <valdyn> Pauly: chmod +x file.run; ./file.run
Jan 15 16:01:25 <Pauly> thanks
Jan 15 16:03:33 <Pauly> valdyn: got it thank u
Jan 15 16:14:51 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: pong
Jan 15 16:15:55 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: thanks for the sugar cubes, who was the author of the where-to-find app to operate these?
Jan 15 16:17:04 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: (I used recorder to test one - my CC sounds funny :-D )
Jan 15 16:17:07 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: ieatlint and search for magnetic or something
Jan 15 16:17:15 <DocScrutinizer> thanks
Jan 15 16:17:52 <chem|st> track2 is most of the time teh printed number on the card and the validity date
Jan 15 16:18:48 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, for scratching noises probably all numbers and other data are the same
Jan 15 16:19:55 <DocScrutinizer> I pondered building my own cards out of a piece of plastic and a snippet of 1/2" tape, then record some real audio on it ;-P
Jan 15 16:21:01 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: you got two so you might mod one for recording
Jan 15 16:21:13 <DocScrutinizer> ...or even a veritable tape recorder engine, with N900+cube for the electronics, plus two reels with tape X-P
Jan 15 16:21:25 * SpeedEvil ponders sugar-cubes as one-time-pads, based on the surface pattern of sugar.
Jan 15 16:22:21 <DocScrutinizer> QRcode?
Jan 15 16:22:52 <SpeedEvil> sort-of.
Jan 15 16:23:35 <DocScrutinizer> ""this is your passport to enter there. If you get caught, eat it!"" now this makes sense :-)
Jan 15 16:48:05 <RST38h> Moo?
Jan 15 16:49:17 <GAN900> RST38h, meow
Jan 15 16:52:08 <RST38h> GAN: How is suffering tonight?
Jan 15 16:53:49 <DocScrutinizer> remoo
Jan 15 16:54:24 <RST38h> Heya Doc
Jan 15 16:54:41 * RST38h lazily wonders if he should look at hildon-desktop rotation code
Jan 15 16:55:08 * DocScrutinizer frowns about own wondering how to intercept outbound calls
Jan 15 16:55:37 <DocScrutinizer> *intercept*, not tally after INVITE got sent
Jan 15 16:57:17 <DocScrutinizer> of course I can listen dbus and shout "no! no! don't do that!" as soon as an outbound call gets initiated. That's not any clean solution though
Jan 15 16:58:19 <RST38h> Can you configure dbus so that YOU rather than the default destination receive these messages?
Jan 15 16:58:35 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder idly who's savvy enough of telepathy, to give me a pointer
Jan 15 16:59:03 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: IF call initiation were via dbus, I could implement that
Jan 15 17:00:05 <DocScrutinizer> alas to me it seems like caller-ui is talking to telepathy in a way I can't get hold of, in dbus
Jan 15 17:00:21 <GAN900> RST38h, just excellent. You?
Jan 15 17:00:55 <RST38h> Ah
Jan 15 17:01:05 <RST38h> Telepathy is entirely done via dbus, no?
Jan 15 17:01:14 <DocScrutinizer> NFC
Jan 15 17:01:42 <RST38h> GAN: Came back from the US today, still giddy after the flight
Jan 15 17:01:54 <DocScrutinizer> I seem to recall I scrutinized both dbuses and found nothing promising that looked like it's worth to intercept
Jan 15 17:02:51 <DocScrutinizer> also spoofing destinations in dbus seems isn't one of the standard properties of dbus
Jan 15 17:04:02 <GAN900> RST38h, DC?
Jan 15 17:04:15 <RST38h> Doc: When I checked telepathy api reference, the apis were defined completely via dbus calls, remember finding it peculiar
Jan 15 17:04:23 <RST38h> GAN:DC/MD
Jan 15 17:04:38 <GAN900> Sounds like an unpleasant flight.
Jan 15 17:04:55 <RST38h> GAN: United sucks.
Jan 15 17:05:21 <GAN900> Indeed
Jan 15 17:05:52 <RST38h> GAN: They successfully managed to get worse than Aeroflot.
Jan 15 17:06:58 <RST38h> Another 5-10 years, and the economy class will be standing space only.
Jan 15 17:07:31 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: thanks for the info
Jan 15 17:07:57 <jacekowski> who are you talking about?
Jan 15 17:08:55 <DocScrutinizer> I guess I'll have to get another look into it then. Maybe run rtcom-caller-ui under a different user, wrt dbus, and have a gateway to real bus that does the monitoring and mangling
Jan 15 17:08:59 <RST38h> Ok, so what part of hildon-desktop would be responsible for rotating client windows?
Jan 15 17:10:33 <RST38h> Ahha, hd-comp-mgr.c appears to be it
Jan 15 17:10:39 <DocScrutinizer> kinda YUCK, but meh, if there's no better way to kick ass of rtcom-call-ui
Jan 15 17:11:08 <DocScrutinizer> a hook in telepathy would be nice
Jan 15 17:13:43 <DocScrutinizer> so, once more my question: who's familiar with telepathy details - maybe even author of telepathy? I'd like to discuss this issue with them
Jan 15 17:16:21 <RST38h> Doc: talk to lcuk
Jan 15 17:16:38 <DocScrutinizer> for the concept, it's not correct to sandbox rtcom-call-ui. I'd need to sandbox telepathy aiui
Jan 15 17:16:40 <RST38h> Doc: I *think* he is working for the subcontractor which does telepathy work for Nokia
Jan 15 17:16:55 <RST38h> Hmmm, hildon-desktop appears to attempt rotation multiple times
Jan 15 17:17:02 <RST38h> Really messy code =(
Jan 15 17:17:27 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: alas lcuk denied any knowledge about the issue and refused to help unless I switch to meego for my project :-S
Jan 15 17:18:00 <GAN900> Hiding file extensions is always helpful.
Jan 15 17:18:21 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, FSCK file extensions :-P
Jan 15 17:18:36 <perolsen> during boot (White background, blue nokia letters) I get a green "no initfs" message among with kernel version, etc. Is this enabled by the R&D-settings?
Jan 15 17:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> yes, afaik
Jan 15 17:19:17 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't mean a thing, except "you shalt not enable R&D"
Jan 15 17:19:39 <perolsen> why is that?
Jan 15 17:19:49 <DocScrutinizer> why is what?
Jan 15 17:19:58 <RST38h> Doc: Evil.
Jan 15 17:19:59 <perolsen> why shalt thee not enable R&D?
Jan 15 17:20:25 <GAN900> perolsen, wastes battery life and serves no purpose, generally.
Jan 15 17:20:32 <perolsen> noted.
Jan 15 17:20:33 <DocScrutinizer> because watchdogs are there for a purpose. And you quite usually don't need R&D for anything
Jan 15 17:20:33 <RST38h> heyajavispedro
Jan 15 17:20:40 <javispedro> morning
Jan 15 17:20:55 <RST38h> javispedro: First of all, you will be delighted to know that ANdroid DID get native audio APIs in NDK 2.3
Jan 15 17:21:03 <javispedro> OpenSL ES
Jan 15 17:21:08 <RST38h> javispedro: and {I hope you have not eaten] they are OpenSL
Jan 15 17:21:08 <javispedro> I mentioned it yesterday =9
Jan 15 17:21:21 <DocScrutinizer> moo javispedro
Jan 15 17:21:27 <RST38h> javispedro: The API documet is 500+ pages long, and I could not figure out how it works.
Jan 15 17:21:49 <javispedro> RST38h: it follows a pattern. Next thing you'll see is Android 40.5 brining in OpenKode =)
Jan 15 17:22:05 <RST38h> javispedro: Evil^2.
Jan 15 17:22:30 * javispedro also notes that OpenSL itself always seemed like a NIH syndrome result
Jan 15 17:22:39 <RST38h> javispedro: Now, I am looking at hildon-desktop sources. Looks like the "interesting" spot is in hd_render_manager_set_state_unportrait / hd_render_manager_set_state_portrait
Jan 15 17:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> aren't the docs just fine :-D
Jan 15 17:23:39 <RST38h> OpenSL actually manages to be even MORE complicated than ALSA. Takes an effort.
Jan 15 17:24:51 <DocScrutinizer> even MORE than fsckng PA?
Jan 15 17:25:27 <RST38h> Doc: Sadly, yes.
Jan 15 17:25:39 * DocScrutinizer sighs, depressed
Jan 15 17:25:46 <RST38h> Doc: OpenSL is audio done in OpenGL2
Jan 15 17:25:56 <DocScrutinizer> *COUGH*
Jan 15 17:25:59 <RST38h> Hehe
Jan 15 17:27:36 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder when they will reach the point to implement virtual /dev/dsp on top of 17 layers of abstraction, and declare that's ultimate ratio audio interface
Jan 15 17:28:25 <RST38h> Probably never as then all these API designers will become jobless.
Jan 15 17:28:44 <luke-jr> LOL
Jan 15 17:29:22 <DocScrutinizer> won't matter - you don't need a job after electrocution
Jan 15 17:29:35 <javispedro> guess what. the music player "sample" in the opensl spec is 9 pages long
Jan 15 17:29:48 <RST38h> Doc: Can't electrocute that many people, will need WMDs.
Jan 15 17:29:50 <DocScrutinizer> MUAHAHAHA sob
Jan 15 17:30:22 <RST38h> javispedro: and OpenSL appears to duplicate MAFW APIs (or vice versa)
Jan 15 17:30:33 <DocScrutinizer> WAAAAHHH!!!
Jan 15 17:31:01 * DocScrutinizer headbangs desk
Jan 15 17:31:10 <RST38h>  /* change the state temporarily for the reconsideration code */
Jan 15 17:31:21 <RST38h> This has been found in the hildon-desktop rotation function
Jan 15 17:31:44 <DocScrutinizer> reconsideration code - ROTFL
Jan 15 17:31:54 <RST38h>   /* this may or may not cause state change: */
Jan 15 17:33:18 <javispedro> hd-render-manager.c?
Jan 15 17:33:39 <javispedro> hmm. yes.
Jan 15 17:34:59 <javispedro> That is core logic, I at least know which "reconsideration" he's talking about.
Jan 15 17:35:59 <javispedro> hd_transition_rotate_screen
Jan 15 17:36:09 <DocScrutinizer> It resembles KDE4 menu behaviour: open once - submenu covers main menu. open again - it made up its mind and displays submenu to the left of main
Jan 15 17:36:26 <DocScrutinizer> probably they have reconsideration code as well
Jan 15 17:37:43 <javispedro> RST38h: read src/util/hd-transition.c:113
Jan 15 17:38:12 <RST38h> amoment
Jan 15 17:38:12 <DocScrutinizer> I just don't get it how those KDE4 devels managed to fsck up all the nicely working functions of kde3, even such basic things like menu placement, or window bar highlighting
Jan 15 17:38:23 * javispedro tries to get the mxr link...
Jan 15 17:38:39 <javispedro> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle12-20100706/source/hildon-desktop/src/util/hd-transition.c#113
Jan 15 17:39:56 <GAN900> Personal hygiene is hard.
Jan 15 17:39:59 <DocScrutinizer> float angle; WAAAH
Jan 15 17:40:11 <GAN900> Judging by my semi-random sample today, at least.
Jan 15 17:40:36 <RST38h> javispedro: Damage done! Start fading in!
Jan 15 17:40:46 <DocScrutinizer> float                     final_alpha;
Jan 15 17:40:53 * DocScrutinizer shakes head
Jan 15 17:42:03 <DocScrutinizer>  /* In Fade effects, final_alpha specifies the alpha value when the window/note if fully faded in. */  SURE, and alpha is a float, inevitably
Jan 15 17:42:46 <RST38h> javispedro:
Jan 15 17:43:01 <DocScrutinizer> also for rotation I bet you can't get away without fracions of a angle-degree
Jan 15 17:43:08 <RST38h> So, based on this code, do you think it spends most timewaiting for the apps to readjust their UIs?
Jan 15 17:44:38 <javispedro> RST38h: dunno yet, but my plan is to shortcut the state machine
Jan 15 17:44:55 <RST38h> javispedro: sounds dangerous
Jan 15 17:44:59 <korhojoa_> greetings. So I got a Pr1.1 device from Nokia after my microusb broke off. It only updated to 1.2 afaik via the updater. Any ideas on how to get the device to upgrade to PR1.3 ?
Jan 15 17:45:23 <RST38h> but at least fadein/fadeout are unnecessary
Jan 15 17:46:00 <RST38h> Holy shit, there is so much code there dealing just with the animation...
Jan 15 17:50:06 <DocScrutinizer> korhojoa_: should update automatically from 1.2 to 1.3
Jan 15 17:50:22 <RST38h> javispedro: this source file also manages other transitions like notes fading in/out or flying out
Jan 15 17:50:31 <korhojoa_> Yeah, I know. But it isn't doing that.
Jan 15 17:50:52 <DocScrutinizer> you checked for updates available, in 1.2?
Jan 15 17:50:59 <korhojoa_> Is there some trigger or something to let it see the upgrade, or do I need to change a repo or something?
Jan 15 17:51:04 <korhojoa_> Yes, of course.
Jan 15 17:51:15 <DocScrutinizer> you checked if you are actually on 1.2 and not 1.3 already?
Jan 15 17:51:33 <korhojoa_> according to the firmware version, I'm on 1.2
Jan 15 17:51:43 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Jan 15 17:51:51 <DocScrutinizer> HAM -> update
Jan 15 17:52:39 <DocScrutinizer> honestly, I'd prefer flashing. Much faster, much cleaner
Jan 15 17:52:41 <korhojoa_> Hmm. Nevermind, actually. I misread. :f
Jan 15 17:52:51 <korhojoa_> I am on 1.3. Feel kind of dumb now.
Jan 15 17:52:53 <korhojoa_> Just rechecked
Jan 15 17:53:02 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Jan 15 17:53:07 <RST38h> javispedro: hd_transition_fade_and_rotate() - this is where it all starts
Jan 15 17:53:08 <korhojoa_> I'd flash it too, but I seem to have misplaced my microusb cable
Jan 15 17:53:21 <korhojoa_> well. anyway, thanks for prompting me to re-check.
Jan 15 17:53:30 <DocScrutinizer> yw
Jan 15 17:54:29 <RST38h> javispedro: and this is the function that has to be get rid of, I suppose
Jan 15 17:54:44 <RST38h> notice the comments about it being "nasty"
Jan 15 17:54:55 <trx> hmm, when i connect my phone to my car audio player via usb, it works for about 5 mins and then it makes me select the connection again (like i have unplugged it and plugged it again), does that happen to anyone else?
Jan 15 17:55:09 <trx> usb sticks work just fine btw...
Jan 15 17:55:19 <javispedro> RST38h: (a moment, doing the Stskeeps stuff)
Jan 15 17:57:07 <DocScrutinizer> trx: memsticks don't have a menu that asks "mass storage or PC-suite mode?"
Jan 15 17:57:44 <DocScrutinizer> trx: probably your car stereo eventually powers down the USB, to save energy or whatever
Jan 15 17:57:44 <trx> DocScrutinizer i select "mass storage mode" and player reads the music fine and plays the music
Jan 15 17:58:09 <trx> hmm
Jan 15 17:58:14 <trx> damn player :/
Jan 15 17:58:35 <trx> there is no such thing (like a timeout) on the phone?
Jan 15 17:58:59 <DocScrutinizer> trx: if you use a memstick with LED you can tell if it actually is doing that for the stick as well
Jan 15 17:59:04 <trx> i mean, it stops in the middle of a song, it would be wierd for the player to shut down the power..
Jan 15 17:59:51 <trx> also, on my 5800XM it didnt do that
Jan 15 18:00:08 <DocScrutinizer> trx: there's a thing like timeout, for USB. My impression was it's never entering this state when on mass storage mode
Jan 15 18:00:12 <trx> i worked fine, thats why i suspect its a phone problem
Jan 15 18:00:57 <DocScrutinizer> there's some suspend state in musb-core, the USB kernel driver
Jan 15 18:01:16 <trx> are there any config files, do you know?
Jan 15 18:01:18 <DocScrutinizer> dunno, it shouldn't break things usually
Jan 15 18:01:30 <DocScrutinizer> none I know of
Jan 15 18:01:54 <trx> :(
Jan 15 18:02:14 <DocScrutinizer> trx: see, for the N900 your car stereo is not any different to arbitrary PC hosts
Jan 15 18:02:46 <DocScrutinizer> so I would assume the problem is in your car stereo
Jan 15 18:03:15 <trx> yeah, i assume so too
Jan 15 18:03:21 <DocScrutinizer> as nobody ever reported similar problems with N900 mass storage at PC
Jan 15 18:03:40 <trx> but just wanted to make sure some1 else didnt have simmilar problems too
Jan 15 18:03:57 <trx> as 5800 didnt have those problems
Jan 15 18:04:04 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Jan 15 18:04:18 <DocScrutinizer> might be VBUS related
Jan 15 18:04:37 <DocScrutinizer> or ENUM related
Jan 15 18:06:05 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to check syslog, on N900
Jan 15 18:06:09 <trx> is there any way i can see some logs
Jan 15 18:06:18 <trx> with dmesg?
Jan 15 18:06:20 <DocScrutinizer> possibly even with h-e-n enabled powerkernel
Jan 15 18:06:40 <trx> i have h-e-n enabled kernel
Jan 15 18:06:41 <DocScrutinizer> dmesg is ok for most purposes
Jan 15 18:06:43 <trx> power v46
Jan 15 18:09:55 <trx> DocScrutinizer where can i find syslog?
Jan 15 18:12:53 <DocScrutinizer> trx: install ksyslog, or sysklog, or what's it called. Then look for /var/log/syslog
Jan 15 18:13:08 <trx> ok, thank you
Jan 15 18:13:40 <RST38h> There's a DIY Gastric Bypass Surgery Kit For Sale on Amazon!
Jan 15 18:13:56 <DocScrutinizer> you might want to "" >/var/log/syslog"" every now and then, otherwise it tends to eat your / free space
Jan 15 18:14:18 <trx> good to know that
Jan 15 18:14:19 <trx> ty
Jan 15 18:15:12 <RST38h> Thieves Raid Traffic Lights for SIM Cards to Make Free Calls!
Jan 15 18:15:23 <RST38h> Actually, what a good idea!
Jan 15 18:15:27 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Jan 15 18:15:30 <trx> hahaha
Jan 15 18:15:34 <trx> brilliant :D
Jan 15 18:24:05 <johnsq> Hi
Jan 15 18:36:29 * javispedro rofls
Jan 15 18:36:40 <RST38h> mmm?
Jan 15 18:37:03 <javispedro> so a guy in tmo wanted to replace the libPDL library (one of the preenv stubs)
Jan 15 18:37:06 <javispedro> but he couldn't find it
Jan 15 18:37:13 <javispedro> so he found out "libdl.so" library
Jan 15 18:37:22 <javispedro> and since they were named similarly
Jan 15 18:37:31 <kerio> hahaha
Jan 15 18:37:32 <javispedro> poof.
Jan 15 18:37:47 <kerio> a good sysadmin would fix that while the system still runs though
Jan 15 18:38:20 <javispedro> :)
Jan 15 18:39:14 <javispedro> but wait. then he realised libPmIpcLib.so is similar to libpcprofile.so !
Jan 15 18:52:52 <javispedro> RST38h: job done :)
Jan 15 18:53:06 <javispedro> RST38h: I've replaced hd_transition_fsm with a two line function =)
Jan 15 18:53:12 <Aranel> Can I play MP3 to a caller? Can I? Can I? (I'll make a script for it, a blacklist, and make fun!)
Jan 15 18:54:19 <javispedro> RST38h: http://maemo.pastebin.com/uTLAmKeK
Jan 15 18:55:12 <chx> Aranel: http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/answering_machine_on_n900/  ?
Jan 15 18:57:06 <Aranel> chx: he's asking for a complete app, most likely It's never going to be done :) I'm asking for an advice about it, maybe a pulseaudio one-liner or source of a similar code.
Jan 15 19:03:48 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: heh :-P
Jan 15 19:04:22 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: and no floats anywhere :-)
Jan 15 19:13:35 <javispedro> unfortunately it had to grow a little as it was doing weird things with menus
Jan 15 19:15:50 <javispedro> 6 lines now :)
Jan 15 19:28:28 <trx> DocScrutinizer i have tested the car player and N900 a bit now, and it appears that i dont have any problems while the car is off, when i turned it on, i could see on the player that i drew some power
Jan 15 19:28:39 <trx> and the phone turned off the connection
Jan 15 19:29:12 <trx> is it possible to tell the phone not to charge it self? (will stopping bme do that?)
Jan 15 19:29:33 <DocScrutinizer> possibly
Jan 15 19:29:51 <DocScrutinizer> trying "stop bme" won't hurt
Jan 15 19:30:10 <trx> i am thinking that maybe during driving, the voltage varies
Jan 15 19:30:19 <DocScrutinizer> rumour has it though, mass storage mode doesn't work without bme
Jan 15 19:30:25 <trx> and thats why the phone disconnects it self..
Jan 15 19:30:55 <DocScrutinizer> not likely
Jan 15 19:33:20 * GAN900 hulks out
Jan 15 19:33:30 <GAN900> DNS hijacking prefs keep getting reset.
Jan 15 19:33:46 <javispedro> clearly intentional
Jan 15 19:35:40 <RST38h> javispedro: OMG, did that hildon-desktop shortcut work???
Jan 15 19:36:02 <javispedro> RST38h: yes, it is not as fast as I'd like though...
Jan 15 19:36:16 <javispedro> RST38h: it pauses for a moment, screen blinks and you get the rotated output
Jan 15 19:36:19 <RST38h> javispedro <-- paints in large strokes =)
Jan 15 19:36:49 <RST38h> javispedro: but is it better than before? faster? no visual acrobatics?
Jan 15 19:36:55 <javispedro> no acrobatics
Jan 15 19:37:00 <javispedro> but only slightly faster
Jan 15 19:37:30 <RST38h> and no harmful effects to the applications?
Jan 15 19:37:37 <javispedro> with the updated patch seemingly not..
Jan 15 19:38:04 <RST38h> hmm, should we give this to MohammadAG for inclusion into his desktop and testing?
Jan 15 19:38:09 * Arkenoi reads about SE liveview. 10 years ago i started talking about the need of such things. I wonder if it will be supported by maemo someday
Jan 15 19:38:14 <javispedro> http://maemo.pastebin.com/xxEPYCBb
Jan 15 19:38:38 <MohammadAG> say what?
Jan 15 19:38:40 <javispedro> RST38h: can you build it? want a binary?
Jan 15 19:38:56 <RST38h> javispedro: I cannot build it at the moment, but would appreciate a binary
Jan 15 19:39:20 <MohammadAG> javispedro, what did you do?
Jan 15 19:39:46 <javispedro> MohammadAG: we're trying to get faster rotation, rst38h to get rid of the animation and me to prove a point.
Jan 15 19:40:08 <MohammadAG> javispedro, you should see how I do it in the mediaplayer :P
Jan 15 19:40:15 <MohammadAG> (rotating the video now playing window)
Jan 15 19:40:40 <MohammadAG> rotating the widgets instead of the whole window and X server = much faster
Jan 15 19:40:48 <javispedro> I do not want to know about dirty meego-like tricks
Jan 15 19:40:54 <javispedro> now I have to kill you.
Jan 15 19:41:15 <MohammadAG> oh right, MeeGo does that....
Jan 15 19:41:28 <MohammadAG> still, my window's faster than MeeGo
Jan 15 19:42:12 <RST38h> Mohammad: Basically, javispedro has short circuited all the visual acrobatics hidon-desktop does on orientation change
Jan 15 19:42:40 <RST38h> Mohammad: So his h-d no longer has an animation there, just blinks and shows up in the new orientation
Jan 15 19:42:58 <MohammadAG> cool, now can you replace blurs with darkened bgs?
Jan 15 19:43:25 <RST38h> that is configurabe, isn'tit?
Jan 15 19:43:31 <javispedro> h-d itself does that when gl lib doesn't support shaders
Jan 15 19:43:35 <RST38h> there is a blursetting
Jan 15 19:43:37 <javispedro> at least on x86
Jan 15 19:43:49 <MohammadAG> that reduces blur
Jan 15 19:43:51 <MohammadAG> or removes it
Jan 15 19:44:03 <MohammadAG> I want it to lower brightness instead of blurring
Jan 15 19:44:08 <RST38h> set radius to 1 or 0 and you should be ok
Jan 15 19:44:14 <javispedro> http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/hdrot/hildon-desktop.launch.gz
Jan 15 19:44:21 <MohammadAG> still not the same
Jan 15 19:44:49 <javispedro> (evaluate, but as I said it is not as good as I'd wish..)
Jan 15 19:45:10 <RST38h> thanks =)
Jan 15 19:45:34 <javispedro> (launch by replacing /usr/bin/hildon-desktop.launch or killing it with no_lg_reboots and "maemo-invoker /full/path/to/hildon-desktop.launch")
Jan 15 19:46:05 <trx> DocScrutinizer just to let you know, the rumour was false, mass storage mode works without bme
Jan 15 19:46:14 * RST38h keeps fingers crossed
Jan 15 19:46:20 <javispedro> RST38h: better not replace hildon-desktop
Jan 15 19:46:20 <Pauly> hi i need help
Jan 15 19:46:52 <javispedro> RST38h: (the system one I mean)
Jan 15 19:46:55 <Pauly> tyring to install but i need libqtcore4 but have no idea how to get btw im on n900
Jan 15 19:49:15 <Pauly_> any ideas
Jan 15 19:49:20 <Pauly_> ??
Jan 15 19:49:27 * javispedro has now crashed xorg but I was trying xrandr..
Jan 15 19:50:22 <javispedro> Pauly_: trying to install what? qt comes with your n900.
Jan 15 19:50:25 <Pauly_> theres an app called qtwitter runs n diablo but i want to try to install for fremantle
Jan 15 19:50:39 <Pauly_> i need qtcore4
Jan 15 19:50:56 <Pauly_> libqtcore4
Jan 15 19:50:59 <MohammadAG> no, you need to recompile it
Jan 15 19:51:00 <javispedro> don't do that
Jan 15 19:51:07 <MohammadAG> libqt4-core is already installed
Jan 15 19:51:20 <Pauly_> ya i noticed a name change
Jan 15 19:51:42 <Pauly_> ill just recomplie eveerything
Jan 15 19:52:06 <javispedro> "everything"?
Jan 15 19:53:03 <Pauly_> qtwitter depends on qoauth and qoauth depends on qca
Jan 15 19:53:41 <Pauly_> so i have to recompile all those apperntley
Jan 15 20:03:27 <javispedro> RST38h: alive?
Jan 15 20:06:23 <MohammadAG> Pauly_, there are Qt apps that use OAuth afaik, you just need to find the new name
Jan 15 20:12:16 <Pauly_> what do you mean?
Jan 15 20:13:53 <bjv> agps seems to have stopped responding on my 810
Jan 15 20:13:55 <Pauly_> MohammadAG: what do you mean?
Jan 15 20:14:20 <bjv> i --purge agps-ui and supl-daemon from dpkg, but nothing improves after a reinstall
Jan 15 20:14:56 <bjv> ive tried to remove libsupld1 as well
Jan 15 20:15:02 <RST38h> you probably screwed up the installation
Jan 15 20:15:08 <bjv> ?
Jan 15 20:15:19 <RST38h> by purging these packages
Jan 15 20:15:21 <bjv> agps was functional for many long months, before now
Jan 15 20:15:24 <bjv> oh
Jan 15 20:15:51 <bjv> well,
Jan 15 20:15:59 <bjv> it had already stopped functioning
Jan 15 20:16:05 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > apt-cache search qt oauth
Jan 15 20:16:06 <MohammadAG> libqoauth-dev - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme
Jan 15 20:16:07 <MohammadAG> libqoauth - Qt-based client implementation of the OAuth authorization scheme
Jan 15 20:17:43 <bjv> i grew concerned when 1) removal/reinstallation did not help and
Jan 15 20:17:44 <Pauly_> MohammadAG: thank you
Jan 15 20:18:02 <bjv> 2) libsupld1 removal pulled off osso-core and osso-core-busybox
Jan 15 20:18:14 <bjv> in addition to libsupld1 & gpsdriver
Jan 15 20:18:21 <RST38h> trouble.
Jan 15 20:18:24 <RST38h> refash.
Jan 15 20:18:28 <RST38h> reflash, I mean
Jan 15 20:18:38 <bjv> i did not --purge osso-core or osso-core-busybox, though
Jan 15 20:19:03 <RST38h> thp: here?
Jan 15 20:20:06 <bjv> agps-ui just configures supl-daemon, though
Jan 15 20:20:09 <bjv> correct?
Jan 15 20:20:22 <bjv> so really i am still looking at:   "supl-daemon is not working"
Jan 15 20:20:59 <bjv> osso-core and gpsdriver reinstallation aside.
Jan 15 20:21:10 <RST38h> the server it connects to may be down for some reason
Jan 15 20:21:18 <bjv> after supld stopped working, but before messing with packages
Jan 15 20:21:29 <bjv> i could still get an unassisted fix in ~13 min or so
Jan 15 20:21:35 <bjv> and after messing w/ dpkg
Jan 15 20:21:44 <bjv> i can still get fixes unassisted
Jan 15 20:21:48 <bjv> hm
Jan 15 20:23:38 <Pauly_> MohammadAG: apperntly qca and qoauth are just renamed libqoauth and libqca.
Jan 15 20:24:28 <MohammadAG> yes
Jan 15 20:24:37 <MohammadAG> that's what I said
Jan 15 20:25:27 <Pauly_> so if an app depends on those how would i get it to work? sry im a stupid n00b
Jan 15 20:28:59 <Pauly_> MohammadAG: would i have to change all the refernces in the apps source code?
Jan 15 20:29:47 <MohammadAG> shouldn't, no
Jan 15 20:30:08 <MohammadAG> qmake should handle all that stuff
Jan 15 20:30:16 <Pauly_> okay
Jan 15 20:33:34 <bjv> well
Jan 15 20:33:48 <bjv> so the slightly more sophisticated approach gets me:
Jan 15 20:33:51 <bjv> "[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-1!"
Jan 15 20:34:08 <bjv> when running supld from the console,
Jan 15 20:34:57 <bjv> created the folder, for debug log
Jan 15 20:35:16 <bjv> but "debug mode" is 0, and supld does not seem to have any usage text
Jan 15 20:35:50 <bjv> /etc/supld/certs/ just contains a bunch of *.pem
Jan 15 20:35:58 <bjv> must be stuff in gconf
Jan 15 20:46:03 <bjv> hm, /system/osso/supl/cached_adata_support is set to 0 in gconf
Jan 15 20:46:23 <bjv> setting it to 1 rewards me with
Jan 15 20:46:26 <bjv> "supld[3922]: GLIB DEBUG ConIc - con_ic_connection_send_event(0x6d818, 5886bdb6-9443-4cff-bbbf-2875f4a22721, WLAN_INFRA, 0)"
Jan 15 20:46:41 <bjv> but then still quits with
Jan 15 20:46:45 <bjv> "[]Assistance data refresh cache failure - resp:-3!"
Jan 15 20:47:22 <bjv> setting back to 0, no more Con ic event
Jan 15 20:47:31 <bjv> and immediate failure with -1
Jan 15 20:47:42 <bjv> supld does not seem to be documented anywhere.
Jan 15 20:47:53 <bjv> i really just want to rip this out, and redeploy it fresh -_-
Jan 15 20:58:06 <Pauly_> MohammadAG: i tried building but it keeps giving me errors about oauth
Jan 15 20:59:15 <Pauly_> MohammadAG: and qt creator wont make the the package grrrrrrr
Jan 15 21:19:52 <smoku> anyone interested in hildon-desktop for Clutter 1.x and Mx in place of Tidy? :)
Jan 15 21:19:56 <thp> RST38h: here now
Jan 15 21:27:45 <GAN900> DDP N900 finally vomitted out its USB port.
Jan 15 21:29:05 <BCMM_> GAN900: Nokia replaces them if the USB port falls out, right?
Jan 15 21:38:43 <GAN900> BCMM_, not out of warranty.
Jan 15 21:38:43 <GAN900> And technically the DDP warranty is only 7 days.
Jan 15 21:41:15 <BCMM_> GAN900: DDP?
Jan 15 21:41:48 <MohammadAG> Developer Device Program
Jan 15 21:41:59 <MohammadAG> 0 cost or a discount
Jan 15 21:42:06 <MohammadAG> I wonder when MeeGo's DDP launches :p
Jan 15 21:42:21 <BCMM_> oh
Jan 15 21:43:16 <GAN900> MohammadAG, €250
Jan 15 21:43:18 <GAN900> For N900
Jan 15 21:43:47 <MohammadAG> it was 800 when it launched right?
Jan 15 21:43:51 <MohammadAG> or 600
Jan 15 21:52:32 <lcuk> hey, inside a debian/control file for package appfoo, I specify that a package depends on libbar.
Jan 15 21:52:33 <lcuk> if the user already has this library installed (but older ver) the newest one in repo will not be pulled in.
Jan 15 21:52:33 <lcuk> I know I can specify an explicit version for libbar, but can I make this automatic to say "make appfoo depend on the version of libbar that I(the developer) have on my system at build time"
Jan 15 21:57:27 <MohammadAG> lcuk, shouldn't $(shlibs:Depends) do that?
Jan 15 21:57:37 <MohammadAG> if it's a proper libbar
Jan 15 21:57:56 <lcuk> MohammadAG, probably
Jan 15 21:58:41 <MohammadAG> lcuk, it works with most libs
Jan 15 21:59:27 <lcuk> thx MohammadAG \o
Jan 15 22:02:47 <lcuk> awesome indeed MohammadAG :)
Jan 15 22:03:00 <MohammadAG> :)
Jan 15 22:03:03 <MohammadAG> yw
Jan 15 22:03:24 <valdyn> lcuk: why depends on one version?
Jan 15 22:03:37 <valdyn> lcuk: should be >= someversion
Jan 15 22:03:47 <lcuk> valdyn, it wasn't one specific version
Jan 15 22:03:55 <lcuk> it was that not specifying a version at all
Jan 15 22:04:08 <valdyn> lcuk: alright then
Jan 15 22:08:00 * trumee__ shame scrolling in xchat eats up all the cpu
Jan 15 22:10:30 <MohammadAG> shouldn't
Jan 15 22:11:40 <trumee__> MohammadAG, i agree :)
Jan 15 22:12:14 <trumee__> MohammadAG, your hildonized version probably doesnt.
Jan 15 22:12:16 <Auriga> Anyone still using an N800?
Jan 15 22:12:33 <lcuk> Auriga, I spent last weekend with my n810 if that counts
Jan 15 22:12:50 <Auriga> It might...
Jan 15 22:12:58 <Auriga> Are you familiar with Blueserial?
Jan 15 22:13:14 <Auriga> Or anything of the equivalant that works?
Jan 15 22:13:22 <lcuk> no, sorry - I guess your quest must go further
Jan 15 22:13:48 <Auriga> Lol
Jan 15 22:14:39 <Auriga> & so I continue in circles lol
Jan 15 22:18:24 <BCMM_> has anyone set up their n900 to automatically start sshd when on a wlan and stop it when on GPRS?
Jan 15 22:22:24 <lcuk> BCMM_, hm I tohught lots of ISPs negate any kind of ssh input over gprs anyway
Jan 15 22:22:30 <lcuk> by virtue of not having a public ip
Jan 15 22:22:34 <lcuk> but I know some isps do
Jan 15 22:22:46 <BCMM_> yeah, but mine is unpredictable
Jan 15 22:22:55 <BCMM_> i mean, it sometimes gives me a real ip and sometimes private
Jan 15 22:22:57 <BCMM_> yes, that's weird
Jan 15 22:23:11 <lcuk> thats ok, why need to disable it if you dont mind?
Jan 15 22:23:33 <BCMM_> lcuk: mostly because it doesn't need to be running
Jan 15 22:23:42 <BCMM_> actually, what i'd really like to do would be have sshd running only when connected to a specific wlan
Jan 15 22:23:57 <lcuk> for what reason specifically? power/cpu/security?
Jan 15 22:24:48 <BCMM_> all of the above
Jan 15 22:25:03 <BCMM_> i know ssh is very secure, but mostly because it's better than carefully checking my ssh config
Jan 15 22:30:41 <pahartik> BCMM_: Maybe appropriate script at "/etc/network/if-post-down.d/" and "/etc/network/if-pre-up.d/"...
Jan 15 22:31:03 <BCMM_> thanks
Jan 15 22:31:53 <BCMM_> oh, and presumably when i am online, on gprs, on a real IP, something will eventually find my ssh server and drain the battery trying to bruteforce it
Jan 15 22:32:28 <BCMM_> hmm. do those sorts of bots usually give up if you don't allow password auth, or braindeadishly keep trying?
Jan 15 22:36:59 <pahartik> BCMM_: My recent server logs... "resist-ssh-abuse" netfilter rule was triggered 27 times within 7 days... And it only covers single IPv4 address, no equivalent feature for IPv6
Jan 15 22:37:30 <BCMM_> pahartik: do you allow keyboard auth, or just keys?
Jan 15 22:40:44 <pahartik> BCMM_: Server rejects password authentication attempts... Netfilter rule just uses "DROP" on any connection attempts from source IP for while after few tries
Jan 15 22:41:01 <BCMM_> bah, stupid botnets
Jan 15 22:44:17 <lardman> re
Jan 15 22:45:35 <pahartik> BCMM_: If remote host keeps trying even though there is no response, "DROP" lifetime is refreshed each time...
Jan 15 22:47:33 <pahartik> BCMM_: For me, mostly using IPv6, protecting that as well would be good, but netfilter does not yet offer similar rule feature
Jan 15 22:48:04 <BCMM_> pahartik: have you actually had people try to bruteforce your SSH over ipv6?
Jan 15 22:48:30 <BCMM_> i assumed that they found hosts by trying random addresses, which wouldn't really fly with v6
Jan 15 22:51:39 <pahartik> BCMM_: Not yet seen any signs of such at "/var/log/auth.log" of any host, but still... Most of my hosts have AAAA record on DNS
Jan 15 23:04:55 <wazd> heya again
Jan 15 23:07:41 <wazd> I've just faced the "no connection with original headset" problem, still no solution for it?
Jan 15 23:20:09 <DocScrutinizer> hostmode_while_charging PoC: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
Jan 15 23:28:19 <DocScrutinizer> wazd: err, if you refer to what I think you do, then that's a hw-problem of the receptacle, IIRC
Jan 15 23:29:10 <GAN900> Can decide whether cellmo is dying or AT&T is being shit.
Jan 15 23:29:14 <GAN900> Keep losing all connection.
Jan 15 23:29:27 <DocScrutinizer> :-/
Jan 15 23:30:03 <DocScrutinizer> how are calls?
Jan 15 23:30:04 <javispedro> n900s are dying =)
Jan 15 23:30:27 <javispedro> mine just went into that "battery suddenly decided its empty even though it isn't" mode again
Jan 15 23:31:23 <DocScrutinizer> eeew
Jan 15 23:32:06 <lardman> planned obsolescence perhaps? ;)
Jan 15 23:32:31 <BCMM_> lardman just discovered why BME is closed!
Jan 15 23:32:33 * BCMM_ ducks
Jan 15 23:32:44 <lardman> :)
Jan 15 23:33:28 <BCMM_> javispedro's device is suffering from a bug. it was supposed to explode.
Jan 15 23:33:50 * javispedro would prefer it to explode instead of having to reenter date&time, AGAIN.
Jan 15 23:34:17 <wazd> slow pluging in the jack sorta fixed the problem with sound
Jan 15 23:34:42 <wazd> but not with handset detection in general
Jan 15 23:34:44 <javispedro> wazd: dirty receptacle?
Jan 15 23:35:00 <BCMM_> of course, this is evidence that the N900's successor is going on sale tomorrow. BRB, gotta tell TMO.
Jan 15 23:35:10 * lardman curses the fact Samsung make you use drivers for mass storage
Jan 15 23:35:22 <wazd> javispedro: I highly doubt it
Jan 15 23:35:53 <lardman> and drivers that apparently don't really work at that
Jan 15 23:35:57 <wazd> javispedro: I actually used wired headphones with my n900 like 7 or 8 times
Jan 15 23:36:03 <javispedro> :S
Jan 15 23:36:39 <wazd> oops
Jan 15 23:37:42 <wazd> The problem occurred right after I pluged out my headset while calling
Jan 15 23:38:12 <wazd> so it's definitely some sort of software issue
Jan 15 23:38:13 <DocScrutinizer> ummm
Jan 15 23:38:38 <MohammadAG> the N900 likes to pick headphones on its own
Jan 15 23:38:38 <DocScrutinizer> now if only we had atime
Jan 15 23:38:48 <MohammadAG> the N8's phones, while 3.5mm and work fine with my laptop, don't work on the N900
Jan 15 23:38:53 <DocScrutinizer> wait, ctime should still work
Jan 15 23:38:59 <MohammadAG> they do show in dmesg
Jan 15 23:39:05 <javispedro> hum
Jan 15 23:39:26 <javispedro> I'm at this moment researching how to trick pulse into thinking its time to switch audio routing to headphones
Jan 15 23:39:45 <MohammadAG> can you do that to the earpiece too?
Jan 15 23:39:49 <javispedro> not using the usual alsa method (which works fine but means you have to guess volumes)
Jan 15 23:39:54 <MohammadAG> I like mono audio from the earpiece
Jan 15 23:40:07 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: so yo da man to tell which files to check for bogus state
Jan 15 23:40:26 <javispedro> afaik, there's no editable files.
Jan 15 23:40:49 <javispedro> there's the "compiled" prolog rules that use hal events and the like to set a dbus message with "audio_actions" to pulse
Jan 15 23:41:01 <javispedro> you can actually see this message, just enable eavesdropping on system bus and run dbus-monitor
Jan 15 23:41:04 <DocScrutinizer> then there's no way this gets sticky on wazd 's N900
Jan 15 23:41:47 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, ping me on 26/1
Jan 15 23:42:00 <DocScrutinizer> uh?
Jan 15 23:42:01 <javispedro> http://meego.gitorious.org/maemo-multimedia/pulseaudio-policy-enforcement/blobs/master/src/dbusif.c#line601
Jan 15 23:42:08 <javispedro> this is the code that is linked to pulse on n900 and does it
Jan 15 23:44:30 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sorry?
Jan 15 23:46:19 <MohammadAG> hostmode
Jan 15 23:46:25 <MohammadAG> h-e-n needs a shitload of updates
Jan 15 23:48:29 <Auriga> Howdy all...
Jan 15 23:48:49 <Auriga> Can anyone help me with an hcitool: not found, error?
Jan 15 23:49:45 <lardman> are you root?
Jan 15 23:49:54 <lardman> do you have /usr/sbin in your path?
Jan 15 23:49:55 <Auriga> Yes
Jan 15 23:50:15 <Auriga> Uhhh... I'm still learning linux & Maemo too, let me look....
Jan 15 23:50:21 <Auriga> Yes I do...
Jan 15 23:50:33 <Auriga> & yes I am root
Jan 15 23:50:37 <lardman> just give the full path to that dir and see if it's there
Jan 15 23:50:41 <MohammadAG> which hcitool
Jan 15 23:50:43 <MohammadAG> type that
Jan 15 23:51:07 <Auriga> ?
Jan 15 23:51:14 <Auriga> It's a bluetooth app
Jan 15 23:51:20 <Auriga> Is that what you mean?
Jan 15 23:51:21 <MohammadAG> "which hcitool"
Jan 15 23:51:23 <MohammadAG> it's a command
Jan 15 23:51:41 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# which hcitool
Jan 15 23:51:42 <MohammadAG> /usr/bin/hcitool
Jan 15 23:51:49 <Auriga> It just gives me another line...
Jan 15 23:51:58 <Auriga> It doesn't show me anything.
Jan 15 23:52:03 <Auriga> Is there a switch for it?
Jan 15 23:52:18 <MohammadAG> well
Jan 15 23:52:23 <MohammadAG> it certainly can't be not installed
Jan 15 23:52:30 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# grep -r /usr/bin/hcitool /var/lib/dpkg/info/*list
Jan 15 23:52:31 <Auriga> Lol
Jan 15 23:52:32 <MohammadAG> /var/lib/dpkg/info/bluez.list:/usr/bin/hcitool
Jan 15 23:52:44 <Auriga> Woah... slow down there...
Jan 15 23:52:48 <Auriga> What is that?
Jan 15 23:52:56 <MohammadAG> it shows which package it's part of
Jan 15 23:53:00 <MohammadAG> if you have bluez installed
Jan 15 23:53:02 <MohammadAG> it should be there
Jan 15 23:53:06 <Auriga> What is bluez?
Jan 15 23:53:15 <Auriga> Is that the wifi over bluetooth?
Jan 15 23:53:16 <MohammadAG> bluetooth stack
Jan 15 23:53:57 <Auriga> Uhhh... for desktop support?
Jan 15 23:54:14 <Auriga> Sorry I'm noob... I hate d work but it applies...
Jan 15 23:55:10 <Auriga> ANythoughts...
Jan 15 23:55:47 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (h-e-n needs a shitload of updates) indeed
Jan 15 23:56:07 <MohammadAG> the stack allows you to use bluetooth
Jan 15 23:56:09 <Auriga> Moi?
Jan 15 23:56:11 <MohammadAG> without it, bt wouldn't work
Jan 15 23:56:14 <Auriga> Right okay...
Jan 15 23:56:23 <javispedro> good time to reflash
Jan 15 23:56:30 <Auriga> But my bluetooth does work in terms of transfering files.
Jan 15 23:56:45 <MohammadAG> it shouldn't work
Jan 15 23:56:51 <Auriga> Well it does...
Jan 15 23:56:56 <Auriga> So what now lol...
Jan 15 23:56:58 <Auriga> ?
Jan 15 23:57:07 <javispedro> Auriga: what are you asking this?
Jan 15 23:57:09 <javispedro> *why
Jan 15 23:57:16 <javispedro> ie what do you want to do?
Jan 15 23:57:33 <nox-> are you even running maemo?
Jan 15 23:57:34 <nox-> :)
Jan 15 23:58:30 <Auriga> What's a Maemo?
Jan 15 23:58:32 <Auriga> lol
Jan 15 23:58:50 <Auriga> Yes I am it's on an n800 though.
Jan 16 00:01:16 <DocScrutinizer> wut?
Jan 16 00:01:38 <Auriga> Javispedro, as to why, I would rather not say as it might attract attention & give the wrong idea, so you work it out...
Jan 16 00:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: you're aware there are slight diffs between maemo5-fremantle and whatever version of maemo3/4 you got on N800?
Jan 16 00:02:34 <Auriga> Yes...
Jan 16 00:02:52 <Auriga> Where are you going with that?
Jan 16 00:03:11 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: so my advice is you clearly state the fact you're talking about N800 when asking here
Jan 16 00:03:53 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: as answers based on fremantle won't help - evidently
Jan 16 00:04:30 <javispedro> give the wrong idea is what probably what will happen now =)
Jan 16 00:04:43 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Jan 16 00:05:15 <javispedro> either way, pre-fremantle the little bluez apps (hcitool,rfcomm) weren't ported to the new dbus api so you're going to have to use the raw dbus api
Jan 16 00:05:16 <Auriga> I'm confused... Can you help or not?
Jan 16 00:05:17 <javispedro> which is pain
Jan 16 00:05:30 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: check:
Jan 16 00:05:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~question
Jan 16 00:05:34 <infobot> it has been said that question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Jan 16 00:05:39 <Auriga> Okay... This is soundling like it would be hard work for you to help me...
Jan 16 00:06:00 <Auriga> So Javispedro, thank you for your input it's appreciated.
Jan 16 00:06:08 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: It's not what I'm in here for
Jan 16 00:06:08 <javispedro> yes -- my suggestion: avoid the step that requires hcitool in whatever long-term plan you had in mind
Jan 16 00:06:29 <javispedro> otherwise, search talk.maemo.org for dbus bluez or similar keywords
Jan 16 00:07:02 <Auriga> Javispedro, thank you for pointing me in some kind of direction. It's greatly appreciated. Thank you.
Jan 16 00:07:35 <javispedro> I keep it that if you tell us the long term plan there's a great chance someone will simplify it for you
Jan 16 00:07:46 <javispedro> very probably, there's no need for hcitool and you can use the GUI to connect
Jan 16 00:08:21 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: he's not even willing to tell the OS version he's using
Jan 16 00:08:30 <DocScrutinizer> time sink
Jan 16 00:09:27 * lardman curses windows as he's probably going to need to reboot
Jan 16 00:09:29 <lardman> arse!
Jan 16 00:09:46 <Auriga> Docscritizer I'm not even bothering with you as you started to almost insult me when you obviously missed the part where I said which I was using, after I was asked... Which would be fine has I insulted you first...
Jan 16 00:10:13 <lardman> Auriga: what are you trying to do that requires hcitool?
Jan 16 00:12:07 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: if you think I insulted you, then re-read your own statements that sound like we are obliged to help. We are NOT, and I gave reasonable advice to you as it's obvious you are new to IRC. No insult intended nor any detectable to me
Jan 16 00:20:30 <Auriga> Well all I can say is that you misinterpreted what was said, & while yes I am relatively new to irc in that I don't use it often, I do not feel anyone is obliged to help, as far as I am concerned, if someone has a question, they should ask, which I did. If you don't want to help, then fine it's okay. But don't start on people, as then you end up in aimless conversations like this that ironically accomplish nothing productive.
Jan 16 00:23:50 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: the point is all the other conversation also was completely pointless, as everybody assumed you're talking about maemo5 on N900, while you just dropped a sidenote for the fact you are actually on N800, probably on maemo4-diablo or something even older
Jan 16 00:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: we are willing to help, if you are willing to feed us with sufficient info so we *can* help
Jan 16 00:25:23 <DocScrutinizer> asking "are you actually running maemo" is a pun, not meant to be the standard procedure to help you out of your problem
Jan 16 00:27:05 <DocScrutinizer> and now that we know you are on a system where hcitool is not available, we actually reached a dead end with helping you, as we can't suggest alternatives due to the fact we don't know what you want to do with hcitool
Jan 16 00:28:56 <DocScrutinizer> so again, I suggest you read that fine introduction found in
Jan 16 00:29:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~question
Jan 16 00:29:00 <infobot> well, question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html
Jan 16 00:29:21 * lardman hits the sack, night all
Jan 16 00:29:50 <DocScrutinizer> it will help you to get the answers to your problems
Jan 16 00:29:57 <DocScrutinizer> n8 lardman|gone
Jan 16 00:31:28 <DocScrutinizer> Auriga: maybe http://www.gnurou.org/writing/smartquestionsfr is more the one you'd like
Jan 16 00:42:28 <javispedro> trying to send a ia{saa{sv}} via dbus glib is madness
Jan 16 00:44:28 <javispedro> that is, in laymans terms, a "struct having a integer and a dictionary of strings mappings to arrays of arrays of structs having a string and a unknown type".
Jan 16 00:44:55 <SpeedEvil> aaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaahhhhhhhhhhhhhhh!
Jan 16 00:44:59 * SpeedEvil runs.
Jan 16 00:45:01 <DocScrutinizer> *shudder*
Jan 16 00:45:04 <nox-> eww
Jan 16 00:46:31 * javispedro ditches glib and goes dbus low level api directly..
Jan 16 00:48:42 * DocScrutinizer snorts
Jan 16 01:01:48 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, nice charging post :p
Jan 16 01:02:12 * MohammadAG wonders if we could plug it into h-e-n gui
Jan 16 01:02:57 <javispedro> well, the pieces are out there for jrbme to begin existing as an independent daemon
Jan 16 01:03:06 <javispedro> why is that not happening? :)
Jan 16 01:03:37 * SpeedEvil sponsors javispedro one shiny biscuit to make it happen.
Jan 16 01:04:31 <javispedro> so it's just missing man-hours then I guess :P
Jan 16 01:05:41 <MohammadAG> pretty much
Jan 16 01:07:35 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: post?
Jan 16 01:08:00 <MohammadAG> post on tmo
Jan 16 01:08:08 <jacekowski> link
Jan 16 01:08:26 <MohammadAG> http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=921203&postcount=647
Jan 16 01:09:53 <jacekowski> sleep time
Jan 16 01:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sure, that's what I had in mind (among other things) when I asked you if you had some time to improve h-e-n gui
Jan 16 01:19:11 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, does the script exit on battery full?
Jan 16 01:20:01 <DocScrutinizer> yes, but that won't happen during hostmode I guess, as "battery full" here means "system drawing <xx mA"
Jan 16 01:21:37 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: this is a really just 10 min PoC. And even stripped down for publication. I mentioned the improved booston/boostoff/jrbme script I'm using here. It needs a bit more love and cleanup, but will replace the charging script as well, when finished
Jan 16 01:23:45 <MohammadAG> I see
Jan 16 01:38:19 <javispedro> oh no
Jan 16 01:38:23 * javispedro looks at clock
Jan 16 01:38:38 <javispedro> damn, I want that time stopper gizmo.
Jan 16 01:50:03 <javispedro> DBUS_TYPE_STRING_AS_STRING
Jan 16 01:50:12 <javispedro> I really wish to share the pain of this with you =)
Jan 16 01:51:34 <DocScrutinizer> javispedro: thanks :-P
Jan 16 01:54:30 * MohammadAG introduces javispedro to the Qt-side
Jan 16 01:55:01 <javispedro> well, I'm trying to avoid the Glib bindings because I'd have to build a billion GHashTables
Jan 16 01:55:19 <javispedro> then destroy them all.
Jan 16 01:55:32 <javispedro> so I can send a single string to the nokia policy daemon =)
Jan 16 02:00:48 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like a brilliant concept
Jan 16 02:01:40 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, 26/1 is the day I finish my exams :p
Jan 16 02:01:56 <DocScrutinizer> thought as much :-)
Jan 16 02:02:19 <MohammadAG> I think I joined the channel around this time last year :)
Jan 16 02:05:47 <javispedro> surely you regret that =)
Jan 16 02:06:35 <MohammadAG> actually no, I was an uber noob back then :P
Jan 16 02:06:50 <MohammadAG> MaemohammadAG	running low on root space. how can i check which apps are installed to root
Jan 16 02:07:00 <MohammadAG> see? noob
Jan 16 02:07:04 <javispedro> aha!
Jan 16 02:07:10 <javispedro> MaemohammadMediaPlayer
Jan 16 02:07:51 <MohammadAG> :p
Jan 16 02:08:36 <javispedro> finally found a good name :P
Jan 16 02:08:56 <MohammadAG> at least I knew about scratchbox back then :P
Jan 16 02:09:09 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 16 02:09:13 <MohammadAG> jebba was around when I joined
Jan 16 02:11:30 <javispedro> MohammadAG: your initial question was met with silence. how ironic =)
Jan 16 02:11:33 <MohammadAG> hmm indeed, I remember I got the N900 on 28/12, but I was here from 27 (or before)
Jan 16 02:11:35 <javispedro> or, how cute :)
Jan 16 02:12:02 <MohammadAG> hah
Jan 16 02:14:35 <MohammadAG> javispedro, actually, I was told to fuck off once
Jan 16 02:14:40 <MohammadAG> or something similar
Jan 16 02:14:47 <MohammadAG> I think it was timeless :p
Jan 16 02:17:06 <MohammadAG> 2010-03-20 (Saturday):
Jan 16 02:17:07 <MohammadAG> * DocScrutinizer wondering if tmo thread of mohammadag got deleted	02:45
Jan 16 02:17:07 <MohammadAG> *** MohammadAG has joined #maemo
Jan 16 02:17:08 <MohammadAG> heh
Jan 16 02:17:19 <MohammadAG> it's fun reading logs :p
Jan 16 02:19:14 <javispedro> MohammadAG: tell that to me
Jan 16 02:19:37 <MohammadAG> javispedro, it's fun reading logs
Jan 16 02:19:39 <MohammadAG> happy? :p
Jan 16 02:22:20 <javispedro> yes.
Jan 16 02:22:27 <MohammadAG> interesting
Jan 16 02:22:39 <MohammadAG> qwerty12 left IRC 9 days before I joinde
Jan 16 02:22:43 <MohammadAG> joined even
Jan 16 02:22:52 <javispedro> oh.
Jan 16 02:23:30 * javispedro suddenly realizes something
Jan 16 02:23:37 <javispedro> MohammadAG: YOU are qwerty12!
Jan 16 02:24:10 <MohammadAG> javispedro, age similarity should've given it away
Jan 16 02:24:35 <javispedro> you KNOW it's true, listen to your heart!
Jan 16 02:24:43 * MohammadAG listens
Jan 16 02:24:47 <MohammadAG> it says thump thump
Jan 16 02:24:51 <MohammadAG> is that a yes or a no?
Jan 16 02:26:02 <MohammadAG> ~mohammadag
Jan 16 02:26:03 <infobot> i guess mohammadag is your father
Jan 16 02:26:21 <javispedro> thump thump means "Not now damn it!"
Jan 16 02:27:35 <MohammadAG> javispedro, should I shout at it?
Jan 16 02:27:44 <b-man_> lol
Jan 16 02:28:17 <MohammadAG> ssh localhost@me kill -11 1
Jan 16 02:46:52 <javispedro> clearly, those were the days
Jan 16 02:49:20 <MohammadAG> ... that I missed
Jan 16 02:53:08 <Termana> good morning
Jan 16 02:53:40 <javispedro> hi Termana
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