**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Jan 23 02:59:57 2011
Jan 23 03:00:49 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, ping
Jan 23 03:00:54 <MohammadAG> pong
Jan 23 03:01:26 <psycho_oreos> would you happen to know matan's alternative site? trying to find his latest builds for mhd or hildon-desktop, hildon-home, etc
Jan 23 03:01:43 <psycho_oreos> there' my.arava.co.il but that's not the one I'm looking for
Jan 23 03:01:57 <MohammadAG> svgalibs i think?
Jan 23 03:01:59 <pupnik_> hey MohammadAG
Jan 23 03:02:05 <MohammadAG> hey pupnik_
Jan 23 03:02:09 <psycho_oreos> humm I'll search for that, thanks
Jan 23 03:02:20 <MohammadAG> psycho_oreos, enable the SSU, it's about to launch anytime soon
Jan 23 03:02:26 <pupnik_> MohammadAG: my mood right now http://i.imgur.com/4mf2b.jpg
Jan 23 03:02:29 <MohammadAG> it has mhd
Jan 23 03:02:59 <MohammadAG> pupnik_, :D
Jan 23 03:05:12 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, yeah I have SSU enabled I managed to get 9 desktops working via maemodder but maemodder installs hildon-desktop version 2.2.140-1+0m5 and for some reason I have the 2.2.141-1 version of hildon-desktop along with modified-hildon-desktop_3.1_armel.deb.. hmm that gives me another idea
Jan 23 03:05:49 <MohammadAG> dpkg -r modified-hildon-desktop
Jan 23 03:06:16 <pupnik_> that's just my mood
Jan 23 03:06:19 <rhkfin> Got my N900 back from warranty & need to re-install. Is there a reason for not to use the original partition layout?
Jan 23 03:06:23 <pupnik_> it's not a productive mood at all
Jan 23 03:06:25 <MohammadAG> and reinstall the SSU hd
Jan 23 03:07:07 <SpeedEvil> rhkfin: I resized MyDocs to 4M
Jan 23 03:07:10 <SpeedEvil> err
Jan 23 03:07:11 <SpeedEvil> 4G
Jan 23 03:07:20 <SpeedEvil> and added an ext3 /home/user/data
Jan 23 03:07:22 <SpeedEvil> works for me
Jan 23 03:07:36 <pupnik_> but i'm a surprisingly good photographer - that was one take
Jan 23 03:08:08 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, yeah I don't have modified-hildon-desktop installed.. by SSU you meant Nokia's SSU or some other repo?
Jan 23 03:09:14 <psycho_oreos> MohammadAG, ta :)
Jan 23 03:11:13 <rhkfin> SpeedEvil: ok, right
Jan 23 03:18:57 <rhkfin> on what partition are the apps installed by default?
Jan 23 03:30:54 <SpeedEvil> apps are on /opt - an alias for /home
Jan 23 03:33:18 <rhkfin> SpeedEvil: and home partition is 2G by default? I see..
Jan 23 03:33:44 <SpeedEvil> yes
Jan 23 03:33:52 <rhkfin> if I use a uSD card, where is it mounted? As extra somewhere under home?
Jan 23 03:35:16 <SpeedEvil>  /media/mmc1
Jan 23 03:35:20 <SpeedEvil> I vaguely recall
Jan 23 03:35:29 <rhkfin> ok
Jan 23 05:23:28 <Termana> good morning
Jan 23 07:51:39 <Venemo> hi
Jan 23 07:52:56 <RobbieThe1st> Hello
Jan 23 08:44:26 <DocScrutinizer> EHLO
Jan 23 08:45:55 <Gh0sty> hello
Jan 23 08:46:11 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: you are coming to fosdem, right? :P
Jan 23 08:46:27 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no "time"
Jan 23 08:47:15 <DocScrutinizer> $$$time
Jan 23 08:51:37 <Gh0sty> not even time for beers? :P
Jan 23 08:59:19 <Juozapas> hi how to enable utf8 encoding on email client?
Jan 23 09:00:43 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: transport is too expensive nowadays
Jan 23 09:01:01 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: well if you would come give a talk ...
Jan 23 09:01:08 <Gh0sty> you could get sponsoring perhaps :P
Jan 23 09:01:18 <Gh0sty> and anyway you come from germany thats doable
Jan 23 09:01:29 <Gh0sty> a lot of people come from the UK/USA ...
Jan 23 09:01:33 <Gh0sty> thats a tiny bit further
Jan 23 09:01:43 <Gh0sty> and you can get multiple beers if you come from me :P
Jan 23 09:01:48 <Gh0sty> (I am crew btw)
Jan 23 09:02:25 <Gh0sty> anyway but ok ... no problem :)
Jan 23 09:02:36 <Gh0sty> if sysadmin stuff interests you
Jan 23 09:02:41 <DocScrutinizer> a lot of people have their own lear jet, that's also a bit more expensive than staying in bed
Jan 23 09:02:52 <Gh0sty> a bit later there is ... loadays (loadays.org) which is a sysadmin conference
Jan 23 09:02:58 <thp> MohammadAG: i save the duration at the start when it's loaded, then i can always retrieve it locally :)
Jan 23 09:03:22 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: bonn is close to you  ?
Jan 23 09:03:35 <DocScrutinizer> too far to walk
Jan 23 09:03:38 <Gh0sty> perhaps I go again this summer or something to froscon ...
Jan 23 09:03:41 <Gh0sty> thats near bonn
Jan 23 09:04:16 <Gh0sty> not sure if they have any good beers there
Jan 23 09:04:21 <Gh0sty> but I could bring some :P
Jan 23 09:05:18 * thresh mornings everyone
Jan 23 09:05:38 <Gh0sty> hello thresh
Jan 23 09:06:42 <thresh> am I right assuming choosing 'Connect automatically: Any connection' would connect my GPRS/3G data connection every time WLAN is not available?
Jan 23 09:07:18 <Gh0sty> DocScrutinizer: oh yes is there a way to disable the "whenever I find network start looking for possible updates" behavior?
Jan 23 09:07:19 <thresh> that's on n900, if it matters :)
Jan 23 09:07:38 <Gh0sty> thresh: i guess so
Jan 23 09:08:02 <Gh0sty> oh and another good question:
Jan 23 09:08:21 <Gh0sty> is it possible by script to disable the fact that my cellphone is locking (as in: with a locking code)
Jan 23 09:08:30 <Gh0sty> would like to fix something like:
Jan 23 09:09:12 <Gh0sty> whenever my bluetooth headset is connect (so I'm probably in the car ...) do not lock the damn thing cause it makes it difficult to dial numbers while driving when its locked ...
Jan 23 09:12:47 <Gh0sty> ooh think i found something ...
Jan 23 09:12:54 <Gh0sty> gconftool -s -t bool /system/osso/dsm/locks/devicelock_autolock_enabled true
Jan 23 09:13:38 <Gh0sty> so now to findout how I can create an event when bluetooth is connected / disconnected
Jan 23 09:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: I'd suggest you use a 12V charger and "don't lock while charging" :-P
Jan 23 09:17:23 <Gh0sty> also possible but always charging while in the car is not really good for the battery
Jan 23 09:17:47 <Gh0sty> can't I do something like when a bluetooth device is connected AND the bluetooth device is a particular brand
Jan 23 09:18:03 <Gh0sty> and anyway I have autodisconnect on bluetooth also
Jan 23 09:18:04 <DocScrutinizer> thresh: yes
Jan 23 09:18:21 <Gh0sty> I enable bluetooth only when I'm in the car connecting my headset
Jan 23 09:18:29 <Gh0sty> or when syncing and I dont have a cable near ...
Jan 23 09:18:35 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: check hcitool
Jan 23 09:18:37 <Gh0sty> so its not like BT is constantly on
Jan 23 09:18:46 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: I'm just handwaving
Jan 23 09:19:22 <buntfalke> Hi
Jan 23 09:19:36 <buntfalke> Is there a Qt-based replacement for Hildon for Fremantle?
Jan 23 09:20:37 <DocScrutinizer> Gh0sty: probably monitoring dbus might give you some ideas
Jan 23 09:20:58 <Gh0sty> there is again dbus
Jan 23 09:21:05 <Gh0sty> damn I should really learn dbus :(
Jan 23 09:21:15 <DocScrutinizer> dbus-monitor
Jan 23 09:21:39 <thresh> DocScrutinizer: shweet
Jan 23 09:52:38 <rhkfin> How do you use Facebook on N900? effing? facebrick? m.facebook.com? touch.facebook.com?
Jan 23 09:52:58 <Hoxzer> FaceBook is for people with a life.
Jan 23 09:53:17 <doc|home> facebook? what's that?
Jan 23 10:10:58 <ShadowJK> another overclocked to death device spotted on tmo
Jan 23 10:11:05 <rhkfin> :/
Jan 23 10:12:17 <MohammadAG> just saw it
Jan 23 10:12:30 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, another?
Jan 23 10:12:36 <MohammadAG> there was someone else?
Jan 23 10:13:02 <ShadowJK> I remember some others from before
Jan 23 10:13:26 <ShadowJK> one complaining his emmc is corrupting all the time and that he has to reinstall twice a week
Jan 23 10:13:50 <MohammadAG> funny how he says warranty expired 4 days ago
Jan 23 10:14:01 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: link
Jan 23 10:14:07 <MohammadAG> completely overlooked the fact it was warranty-less
Jan 23 10:14:37 <kerio> when is the warranty going to expire for the first EU devices?
Jan 23 10:15:15 <ShadowJK> November 2011 or so
Jan 23 10:16:37 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68795
Jan 23 10:17:35 <MohammadAG> well
Jan 23 10:17:46 <MohammadAG> at least Matan can stfu
Jan 23 10:26:37 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, you have started clicking on random links :p
Jan 23 10:27:16 <DocScrutinizer> nope, au contraire. I asked for the link. Thanks MohammadAG
Jan 23 10:27:33 <MohammadAG> lol yw
Jan 23 10:32:14 <marlaw> hello everyone
Jan 23 10:32:21 <ptl> even me?
Jan 23 10:32:27 <marlaw> yesterday I lost my n900
Jan 23 10:32:38 <Juozapas> is it possible to auto remove email notification on n900 if i read that mail via computer ?
Jan 23 10:32:42 <marlaw> it served me for one year
Jan 23 10:32:44 <SpeedEvil> marlaw: Noooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooooo!
Jan 23 10:33:04 <marlaw> SpeedEvil, it is the sad truth
Jan 23 10:33:27 <SpeedEvil> marlaw: Did an alligator rip it from your arm, biting off your hand at the same time?
Jan 23 10:33:36 <Juozapas> marlaw: bad news ... :|
Jan 23 10:34:13 <trumee> Loosing N900 is a scary thought to me. so much personal info on iy
Jan 23 10:34:26 <marlaw> it's all my fault, I had one too many and my mobile was in my jacket and I think I didn't watch it a couple of times
Jan 23 10:34:41 <SpeedEvil> trumee: yep.
Jan 23 10:34:46 <trumee> would be happy if the addressbook could be encrypted
Jan 23 10:34:48 * SpeedEvil wishes encryption was present.
Jan 23 10:35:04 <Juozapas> is any gps tracking program exist in case of left n900 in some cafe ?
Jan 23 10:35:12 <marlaw> there is some software Juozapas
Jan 23 10:35:25 <SpeedEvil> I vaguely remember some - it's dependant on it turning up of course
Jan 23 10:35:29 <SpeedEvil> err
Jan 23 10:35:33 <marlaw> but I didn't configrue it, but also, my battery was dead and furthermore I had both the pink and phone lock on start up
Jan 23 10:35:35 <SpeedEvil> I mean you installing it first
Jan 23 10:36:09 <Juozapas> marlaw: yeah me too, i'm using screen lock
Jan 23 10:36:10 <marlaw> now I need to get something relatively quick - i.e. this week
Jan 23 10:36:25 <marlaw> and i'm totally not sure what
Jan 23 10:36:29 <SpeedEvil> marlaw: :/
Jan 23 10:36:52 * SpeedEvil notes the n900 is still available.
Jan 23 10:37:09 <SpeedEvil> Though not, perhaps as shiny as it was when first available, as the price hsan't come down much.
Jan 23 10:37:10 <marlaw> either get a new n900 (or used for that matter) or get like the meego one (but when is it going to be out?)
Jan 23 10:37:31 <SpeedEvil> marlaw: I would be surprised to see the n9 in under 3 months.
Jan 23 10:37:46 <marlaw> the other thing is that i quite like the phisical keyboard and i don't think the n9 will have it
Jan 23 10:38:16 <Juozapas> yeah physical keyboard ftw
Jan 23 10:38:36 <Juozapas> i can't imagine typeing on a screen
Jan 23 10:38:59 <SpeedEvil> Typing on a screen is bearable - if you don't need anything else on the screen.
Jan 23 10:39:07 <marlaw> I tried a software one on one of the first android phones (not the g1, the one afterwards) and it wasn't great
Jan 23 10:39:08 <SpeedEvil> Or if you have transparent fingers.
Jan 23 10:39:33 <Juozapas> ;]
Jan 23 10:39:51 <marlaw> but it is also true that they got much better (in fact the iPhone was pretty decent on day one) .. but i'm not an iphone fan as it comes fully locked down
Jan 23 10:39:54 <trumee> N9 will not have a keyboard?
Jan 23 10:40:10 <marlaw> trumee, from the pics I've seen I don't think so
Jan 23 10:40:18 <trumee> crap.
Jan 23 10:40:25 <marlaw> basically .. I'm kind of considering the nexus s
Jan 23 10:40:26 <trumee> but E7 has a keyboard!
Jan 23 10:40:36 <marlaw> but is E7 meego ?
Jan 23 10:41:01 <trumee> symbian prolly
Jan 23 10:41:33 <marlaw> I will miss my ssh, python, aircrack .. my lovely debian chroot ..
Jan 23 10:42:03 <trumee> marlaw, no ssh on android?
Jan 23 10:42:13 <marlaw> ConnectBot or something like that is available
Jan 23 10:42:26 <marlaw> but is nothing like going ssh on your terminal installed by default
Jan 23 10:42:29 <trumee> marlaw, but no ssh server?
Jan 23 10:42:40 <marlaw> I'm not even sure I'd be any use
Jan 23 10:43:03 <marlaw> is not like you've got busy box installed .. or at least i don't think so
Jan 23 10:43:30 <marlaw> and to make me even less sure about what to do, i think work is going to get me a bb soon (within a few weeks)
Jan 23 10:43:43 <marlaw> bb -> blackberry, or crackbery as they call it
Jan 23 10:44:11 <Juozapas> and blackberry use symbian right ?
Jan 23 10:44:21 <marlaw> nope - their own OS
Jan 23 10:44:22 <trumee> lol
Jan 23 10:44:29 <Juozapas> :/
Jan 23 10:44:40 <Juozapas> is it good ? never had bb
Jan 23 10:44:52 <marlaw> i'm not a fan of symbian .. had it on at least 4 mobiles .. not going back to it
Jan 23 10:45:16 <marlaw> I think I played with it once, is supposed to be the ultimate tool for work emails and possibly vpns but that should be about it
Jan 23 10:45:34 <alterego> Symbian was great when it was on the N95
Jan 23 10:45:51 <marlaw> symbian was great when there was nothing else
Jan 23 10:46:04 <marlaw> i.e. the day that android or iphone os came out it was dead to me
Jan 23 10:46:06 <alterego> It was quite good before  the N95 and it's been rubish since then and the now N8 which is very good.
Jan 23 10:46:20 <alterego> Right,,
Jan 23 10:46:27 <alterego> So you want an iPhone then?
Jan 23 10:46:28 <marlaw> well .. look i don't hate it
Jan 23 10:46:30 <marlaw> no
Jan 23 10:46:33 <marlaw> hell no
Jan 23 10:46:37 <trumee> Sip works perfect on symbian
Jan 23 10:46:43 <alterego> You want an Android phone?
Jan 23 10:46:44 <marlaw> worked good on my n900
Jan 23 10:46:50 <marlaw> (sip)
Jan 23 10:46:57 <trumee> and even on android i have heard
Jan 23 10:47:08 <trumee> but sucks on N900
Jan 23 10:47:12 <marlaw> Ideally I want something with maemo/meego with fresher hardware
Jan 23 10:47:27 <alterego> I don't think hardware is the problem.
Jan 23 10:47:34 <marlaw> I got a few ex-symbian devs working at my company
Jan 23 10:47:37 <trumee> marlaw, no choppy audio on sip for you?
Jan 23 10:47:38 <alterego> I'd like hdmi out and a compass
Jan 23 10:47:47 <alterego> Maybe a bit more ram
Jan 23 10:48:07 <marlaw> trumee, I did have a few problems but it always had to do with my wireless connection beeing not great (i'd lose my wifi from some places in my house)
Jan 23 10:48:24 <alterego> Oh, a headset media remote
Jan 23 10:48:39 <trumee> marlaw, what router do you use
Jan 23 10:48:48 <marlaw> hardware is the problem in the sense that it is not the fastest thing out there and the n900 was chunckier then other mobiles
Jan 23 10:48:55 <marlaw> dd-wrt on a linksys
Jan 23 10:49:10 <trumee> marlaw, standing next to a openwrt router and sip sucks
Jan 23 10:49:34 <alterego> marlaw: I don't see that as a problem
Jan 23 10:49:35 <trumee> marlaw, and i have linksys wrt54gl running ddwrt with same response
Jan 23 10:49:52 <marlaw> what annoys me is that the other OS make a dinstinction as to how you are connected to the internet (3g or wifi) as to what you can do next in terms of software (see skype, sip and what not)
Jan 23 10:49:57 <marlaw> and i find that unacceptable
Jan 23 10:50:00 <marlaw> same with tethering
Jan 23 10:50:20 <alterego> I didn't get it because it was the sleakest looking or the most powerful
Jan 23 10:50:36 <alterego> I'm not some kind of alien ware gaming freak...
Jan 23 10:50:36 <marlaw> mine is a wrt54gs version 7 (i.e. i can only run micro dd-wrt)
Jan 23 10:50:53 <MohammadAG> alterego, alienwares are too weak for you
Jan 23 10:51:01 <marlaw> i don't care about games .. i'm a software developer and I quite like to have python and a shell in general available
Jan 23 10:51:02 <alterego> :)
Jan 23 10:51:09 <marlaw> but also full control of everything
Jan 23 10:51:23 <trumee> marlaw, Nokia guys didnt implement PSM mode well on N900. N95 has a better PSM mode.
Jan 23 10:51:31 <alterego> marlaw, right, so you actually donmt care what it looks like or how powerful it is then ..
Jan 23 10:51:32 <marlaw> what's ps ?
Jan 23 10:51:33 <marlaw> osm
Jan 23 10:51:40 <marlaw> grrr .. s/ps/psm
Jan 23 10:51:45 <alterego> What's with all the contradictions ..
Jan 23 10:51:49 <trumee> marlaw, Power Saving Mode
Jan 23 10:52:07 <marlaw> with the lastest release of pr 1.3 + updates my n900 was having a decent battery life
Jan 23 10:52:12 <marlaw> even better with overclock
Jan 23 10:52:24 <marlaw> no i don't need that much power but sometimes the n900 was laggy
Jan 23 10:52:41 <marlaw> and it is chuncky .. it's big .. are you happy to see me or you just have a big phone ??
Jan 23 10:52:57 <marlaw> i think that's because of the keyboard mainly
Jan 23 10:52:59 <trumee> marlaw, PSM is for saving power on wifi connection
Jan 23 10:53:54 <alterego> marlaw: keyboard, awesome, camera, battery ...
Jan 23 10:54:20 <marlaw> look don't take me wrong .. i had the n800 before
Jan 23 10:54:31 <marlaw> the n900 was def a good upgrade both software and hardware
Jan 23 10:55:04 <alterego> I think you're getting you wrong.
Jan 23 10:55:14 <marlaw> I don't think you're necessarily wrong
Jan 23 10:55:20 <alterego> :)
Jan 23 10:55:22 <marlaw> I'm confused indeed
Jan 23 10:55:31 <alterego> I get it, you're a poser :P
Jan 23 10:56:08 <alterego> Seriously, even now, there is nothing that comes close to the N900 for me.
Jan 23 10:56:15 <marlaw> one thing I hated about it was charging .. it had to be connected to a computer or original cable, a non-smart usb powered source had to have some pin shorted in order to work
Jan 23 10:56:41 <alterego> Nothing that can replace it's flexibility and power (maybe not hz) but raw capability
Jan 23 10:56:42 <marlaw> yeah but buying a n900 now at that price is not ideal
Jan 23 10:56:57 <marlaw> alterego, I'm so afraid that this was the case
Jan 23 10:57:39 <alterego> Really? Can't say I've had problems charging
Jan 23 10:57:43 <trumee> alterego, i am very happy with N900 except for the poor sip quality
Jan 23 10:57:52 <alterego> But I've got like 4 CA101 cables
Jan 23 10:57:52 <marlaw> I remember when I was in thailand i needed my pdf ticket, so I sshed home found the file and scped it back to my mobile ..
Jan 23 10:58:12 <alterego> trumee: well, I've used skype a bit and it was fine for me.
Jan 23 10:58:24 * trumee doesnt use skype
Jan 23 10:58:32 <alterego> Not sure what sort of quality you expect from a mobile phone tbh
Jan 23 10:58:55 <marlaw> to make phone calls regardless of sip, skype, 3g, old fashioned gsm ?
Jan 23 10:59:23 <marlaw> I mean my e71 did sip pretty well with symbian, you're right trumee
Jan 23 11:00:29 <trumee> alterego, http://test.maemo.org/testzilla/show_bug.cgi?id=10388
Jan 23 11:00:30 <povbot> Bug 10388: Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem?
Jan 23 11:00:32 <marlaw> so you would all re-buy the n900 if you lost it ?
Jan 23 11:00:42 <alterego> Well, like I said, no experience in sip calls :)
Jan 23 11:00:44 <SpeedEvil> marlaw: I have mine insured.
Jan 23 11:00:45 <marlaw> at that price ?
Jan 23 11:00:46 <rhkfin> marlaw: definitely.
Jan 23 11:00:48 <trumee> marlaw, sip rocks on my N95
Jan 23 11:00:56 <SpeedEvil> marlaw: For accidental damage and theft
Jan 23 11:00:57 <alterego> marlaw: yes, but mine is insured :j
Jan 23 11:01:11 <rhkfin> marlaw: but I also am now installing http://wiki.maemo.org/SMSCON to get it back if I lost it :)
Jan 23 11:01:22 <alterego> So, I would spend the 60 quid excess
Jan 23 11:01:27 <marlaw> I got that installed - but is not going to do any good, lock + pin + battery dead
Jan 23 11:01:40 <alterego> rhkfin: what if they change the sim
Jan 23 11:02:00 * rhkfin bought mine for 250e, second hand. The USB charger broke -> warranty repair -> they replaced the whole device except battery & back cover..
Jan 23 11:02:02 <trumee> marlaw, i will not buy N900 again because of poor SIP support
Jan 23 11:02:05 <marlaw> I think smscon can be configured to notify you back too
Jan 23 11:02:23 <marlaw> right, so, trumee, where would you look then, android ?
Jan 23 11:02:31 <marlaw> or just wait for some meego to come out ?
Jan 23 11:02:31 <trumee> marlaw, yes probably
Jan 23 11:02:32 <rhkfin> alterego: they still can send SMS's - and yes, when it recognises new sim, it'll notify me
Jan 23 11:02:41 <alterego> Oh
Jan 23 11:02:47 <rhkfin> it's a win :)
Jan 23 11:02:47 <trumee> marlaw, yes perhaps wait for meego
Jan 23 11:02:49 <n900-space> hi allllll
Jan 23 11:03:00 <marlaw> but they'll need to flash it on mine in order to get rid of the lock at boot up no ?
Jan 23 11:03:14 <rhkfin> marlaw: yes
Jan 23 11:03:15 <n900-space> can anyone tell me y does this command not work on my n900 .. mkfs -t vfat /dev/mmcblk1
Jan 23 11:03:22 <marlaw> which means that smscons is not going to do anything
Jan 23 11:03:28 <trumee> marlaw, problem is the meego uses the same libraries as N900. so dont know if things will work better there
Jan 23 11:03:29 <rhkfin> marlaw: if the directly go and reflash it then it's lost
Jan 23 11:03:54 <marlaw> rhkfin, yeah, so, maybe it would have been better to not have the lock :)
Jan 23 11:03:54 <rhkfin> marlaw: but not very many can flash it say within 30 minutes after finding it
Jan 23 11:04:09 <marlaw> yeah but without battery is not going to do me any good
Jan 23 11:04:13 <rhkfin> marlaw: maybe yes
Jan 23 11:04:35 <marlaw> n900-space, did you unmount the partition ?
Jan 23 11:04:37 <Juozapas> but why use this sms style
Jan 23 11:04:51 <rhkfin> Juozapas: if no interent is available.
Jan 23 11:04:53 <marlaw> n900-space, what error do you get ?
Jan 23 11:04:59 <Juozapas> oh ok..
Jan 23 11:05:03 <rhkfin> But it is able to open ssh tunnel over GPRS too
Jan 23 11:05:41 <n900-space> hmm, If I do a umount /media/mmc1 this will unmount right ?
Jan 23 11:05:53 <marlaw> n900-space, it should
Jan 23 11:06:07 <n900-space> ok the error is
Jan 23 11:06:16 <marlaw> be carefull though .. you don't want to fuck up the internal memory
Jan 23 11:06:23 <marlaw> and pardon for my french
Jan 23 11:06:43 <n900-space> "mkfs.vfat: no such file or directory"
Jan 23 11:07:00 <n900-space> marlaw: i'm running this easy debian console.
Jan 23 11:07:01 <marlaw> seems like you don't have installed something ?
Jan 23 11:07:12 <marlaw> why do you want to do that within easy debian ?
Jan 23 11:07:29 <n900-space> it will work on the normal terminal of n900 with root ?
Jan 23 11:07:38 <n900-space> i think i did try but it didnt work either
Jan 23 11:07:42 <marlaw> apt-cache search mkfs , then go install apt-get install the vfat if not installed
Jan 23 11:07:42 <n900-space> what have i not installed
Jan 23 11:07:50 <marlaw> n900-space, normal terminal will work yes
Jan 23 11:07:58 <n900-space> hmm
Jan 23 11:08:11 <n900-space> so the install command with be "apt-get install vfat"
Jan 23 11:08:12 <n900-space> ?
Jan 23 11:08:24 <marlaw> no I don't think so
Jan 23 11:08:28 <marlaw> I can check on my debian on my box
Jan 23 11:08:33 <n900-space> hmm
Jan 23 11:08:39 <n900-space> hey i have to leave for 15 minutes
Jan 23 11:08:43 <n900-space> i'll be back in a while
Jan 23 11:08:44 <n900-space> sorry
Jan 23 11:08:55 <marlaw> no worries
Jan 23 11:09:22 <marlaw> so unless someone can suggest something better I'll go and look at the nexus s ..
Jan 23 11:09:23 <rhkfin> Hmm.. it'd be nice if the SMSCON command messages weren't shown on the screen..
Jan 23 11:09:32 <marlaw> rhkfin, are they ? I never tested it
Jan 23 11:09:45 <rhkfin> If you have a stolen phone and receive 'location' SMS, I wouldn't feel very safe..
Jan 23 11:09:50 <rhkfin> marlaw: yes they are..
Jan 23 11:10:07 <marlaw> yeah if I was the thief I'd just take the battery out
Jan 23 11:10:22 <marlaw> and then play with it in an area without signal
Jan 23 11:10:37 <rhkfin> wow, it send me a google maps link :)
Jan 23 11:10:39 <marlaw> but then again most thiefs are not smart
Jan 23 11:10:47 <rhkfin> marlaw: true
Jan 23 11:10:51 <marlaw> i mean small thiefs
Jan 23 11:10:59 <marlaw> not oceans 11 ones :)
Jan 23 11:11:12 <rhkfin> :D
Jan 23 11:12:04 <nid0> rhkfin, a semi solution to that limitation is to set the command trigger to something different and less obvious
Jan 23 11:12:51 <marlaw> or perhaps use a lower level API
Jan 23 11:13:20 <marlaw> or maybe mms since they're not supported by default
Jan 23 11:13:27 <marlaw> so they shouldn't show up
Jan 23 11:13:51 <alterego> I like how MeeGo has MMS out-of-the-box
Jan 23 11:13:56 <alterego> Or at least will.
Jan 23 11:13:57 <marlaw> but in general 3g + dyndns callback does wonders
Jan 23 11:14:10 <marlaw> alterego, what makes you sure btw ?
Jan 23 11:14:11 <alterego> Maemo should have had ofono from the beginning tbh
Jan 23 11:14:36 <alterego> marlaw: because I do a fair amount of meego development :P
Jan 23 11:14:43 <marlaw> oh cool
Jan 23 11:14:51 <rhkfin> nid0: marlaw yes, I think ssh callback is great - but I need to enable that over ssh
Jan 23 11:15:19 <alterego> Still no community mms ux app yet though.
Jan 23 11:15:25 <korhojoa_> hm, guys? anyone tried putting swap on a usb flash drive/HD ?
Jan 23 11:15:32 <marlaw> yep .. and i had a job at home that would copy (rsync) the whole of my n900 to my local box so i didn't lose anything
Jan 23 11:15:52 <marlaw> korhojoa_, I don't think that's a good idea
Jan 23 11:16:00 <marlaw> i mean flashdrive
Jan 23 11:16:03 <marlaw> hd is ok
Jan 23 11:16:12 <korhojoa_> why not?
Jan 23 11:16:18 <marlaw> although via usb you don't have great latency and it will use more cpy
Jan 23 11:16:24 <marlaw> s/cpy/cpu
Jan 23 11:16:25 <korhojoa_> I mean, if people use µSD for swap?
Jan 23 11:16:30 <ShadowJK> korhojoa_, they're friggin slow for swap, for one
Jan 23 11:16:39 <ShadowJK> normal harddrive is faster
Jan 23 11:16:41 <korhojoa_> ShadowJK: well not some crap drive, a real one
Jan 23 11:16:42 <marlaw> SSD and USB flash disks are very different in terms of controllers
Jan 23 11:17:00 <DocScrutinizer> marlaw: you can charge from non-standards conforming (usual) USB-wallchargers
Jan 23 11:17:14 <ShadowJK> Yeah if it's a proper SSD it's fast
Jan 23 11:17:14 <marlaw> DocScrutinizer, yeah you need to short two pins
Jan 23 11:17:16 <korhojoa_> true. don't they use some bulk transfer mode that makes accessing small chunks slow?
Jan 23 11:17:24 <DocScrutinizer> with help of a bit of sw - do that on any other phone
Jan 23 11:17:42 <marlaw> DocScrutinizer, really ? via software ? that's nice
Jan 23 11:17:50 <marlaw> i.e. the same tricks used for host mode ?
Jan 23 11:18:01 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: My SIP works excellent on N900
Jan 23 11:18:04 <ShadowJK> korhojoa_, no it's more that you need a 400MHz ARM cpu and 64-128 Megs of ram inside the drive to make flash not suck
Jan 23 11:18:09 <DocScrutinizer> marlaw: exactly
Jan 23 11:19:00 <DocScrutinizer> marlaw: ask ShadowJK :-D
Jan 23 11:19:00 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, with PSM off?
Jan 23 11:19:24 <marlaw> I will miss it .. it was my little super portable laptop with some phone functionality :{
Jan 23 11:19:29 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, maybe with PSM medium, yes
Jan 23 11:19:32 <korhojoa_> ShadowJK: er, okay? i've got a ssd that i used to use for a htpc, that might work?
Jan 23 11:19:49 <ShadowJK> korhojoa_, what model is it?
Jan 23 11:19:49 <marlaw> ssd doesn't love swap
Jan 23 11:19:52 <korhojoa_> total overkill, but should allow for serious multitasking
Jan 23 11:19:55 <DocScrutinizer> marlaw: get a new one - you won't find anything better
Jan 23 11:20:01 <marlaw> I'd have no swap or a small one
Jan 23 11:20:04 <korhojoa_> ShadowJK: it's a ocz core series, the original
Jan 23 11:20:14 <ShadowJK> ah those are pretty slowass
Jan 23 11:20:26 <ShadowJK> slower than harddrives for swap
Jan 23 11:20:45 <korhojoa_> probably :D
Jan 23 11:21:01 <marlaw> DocScrutinizer, it annoys me that it still costs a lot and that while software wise (and openess)  it's the best the hardware is not that great anymore
Jan 23 11:21:04 <korhojoa_> I'd just like a way to keep the phone charged while using hostmode.
Jan 23 11:21:13 <ShadowJK> OCZ Vertex is the first one that doesn't suck :)
Jan 23 11:21:20 <korhojoa_> Then I could lug around a small 1tb drive with everything on it.
Jan 23 11:21:31 <marlaw> a small 1tb ?
Jan 23 11:21:35 <DocScrutinizer> marlaw: for me the hw is just good enough
Jan 23 11:21:36 <marlaw> what's a big one korhojoa_ ?
Jan 23 11:21:40 <korhojoa_> full-size keyboard and mouse + projector -> mobile computer
Jan 23 11:22:05 <DocScrutinizer> BAH fullsize kbd
Jan 23 11:22:12 <marlaw> I could always get a bt keyboard and a keyboard less mobile
Jan 23 11:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> use a laser vkbd!
Jan 23 11:22:15 <korhojoa_> marlaw: well, a 2.5" sized one vs a 3.5" (or 2x3.5" sized one like my wd thing)
Jan 23 11:22:24 <korhojoa_> i don't like those laser things
Jan 23 11:22:29 <korhojoa_> they hurt to type on
Jan 23 11:22:32 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, ah! PSM medium. What about PSM full on?
Jan 23 11:22:34 <korhojoa_> and not that accurate
Jan 23 11:22:35 <marlaw> korhojoa_, just kidding :)
Jan 23 11:22:46 <marlaw> anyway, swap is best not on ssd
Jan 23 11:22:51 <DocScrutinizer> or a flexible real hw kbd taht you can stash away inside the phone :-P
Jan 23 11:23:01 <korhojoa_> haha. it would be funny though, to drag around this huge monster HD, just to get like 8 terabytes of storage on your phone
Jan 23 11:23:01 <marlaw> if you have enough ram i'd avoid swap alltogether
Jan 23 11:23:09 <marlaw> or just put it on the normal drive
Jan 23 11:23:14 <korhojoa_> yeah. now, how do we solder on some more ram?
Jan 23 11:23:28 <alterego> You can't
Jan 23 11:23:29 <marlaw> i did that before on my 9500
Jan 23 11:23:31 <marlaw> nokia decoder
Jan 23 11:23:32 <alterego> Not really ...
Jan 23 11:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: that's all pointless, as PSM depends on your particular AP
Jan 23 11:23:38 <marlaw> extra ram oh yeah
Jan 23 11:24:02 <alterego> If you want extra ram you'll have to wait for the next device.
Jan 23 11:24:04 * DocScrutinizer just wonders if you could switch PSM off during calls
Jan 23 11:24:24 <korhojoa_> alterego: or we dissolve the top of the chip with acetone, and fix this issue
Jan 23 11:24:35 <marlaw> does anyone use sipgate for they sip service ?
Jan 23 11:24:40 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: possibly if it exports a upnp iface :)
Jan 23 11:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: yeah, or piggyback another PoP RAM chip on back of SoC
Jan 23 11:24:52 <korhojoa_> i'm thinking even the nokia engineers would be impressed when they see a modded device with 2 gigs or something
Jan 23 11:24:58 <ShadowJK> I don't think swap on ssd is bad, certainly less bad than on emmc/uSD because SSDs have enough cpu and ram to do wear leveling..
Jan 23 11:25:16 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, i have tried openwrt/dd-wrt and PSM on gives poor quality
Jan 23 11:25:34 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, i dont understand why your shitty router is bestter
Jan 23 11:26:01 <marlaw> perhaps cause it doesn't have psm ? :P
Jan 23 11:26:06 <DocScrutinizer> my PSM setting is better. With PSM full on I get lags in ssh of ~60s sometimes
Jan 23 11:26:22 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: after idling?
Jan 23 11:26:27 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Jan 23 11:26:36 <alterego> Yeah, not uncommon
Jan 23 11:26:45 <alterego> I get the same at my parents
Jan 23 11:26:49 <ShadowJK> heh. My "Level One" cheapo router from china is way btter (psm and range) than the 3 times more expensive "Linksys by Cisco" WRT54GL :)
Jan 23 11:27:02 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, with PSM on medium N900 sucks a lot of juice
Jan 23 11:27:11 <kaltsi> anyone know what is the 'pmtrackerd' process on n900?
Jan 23 11:27:36 <marlaw> one thing i don't get about meego is why it ships with gtk and they didn't deprecate it yet
Jan 23 11:28:04 <DocScrutinizer> trumee: anyway, pointless. Get a better AP. I'll change my AP-router today - D-LINK DR415 :-P
Jan 23 11:28:18 <marlaw> i don't like the mess of libraries I got installed on my desktop and i don't get why we should get the same situations on mobile land
Jan 23 11:28:25 <DocScrutinizer> prolly I'll see same problems you're running into then
Jan 23 11:28:38 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, i have a very good AP. Buffalo N router
Jan 23 11:28:56 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, bought it couple of weeks ago just for N900
Jan 23 11:29:06 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, ditched my wrt54gl
Jan 23 11:29:29 <lardman|home> anyone know about kernel boot-time consoles?
Jan 23 11:29:37 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, would be interesting to know how you fare with your dlink router
Jan 23 11:30:14 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: fb-enabled kernel -> lot's of instabilities
Jan 23 11:30:25 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: yes I have that
Jan 23 11:30:34 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, Buffalo  WZR-HP-G300NH
Jan 23 11:30:47 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: just wondering about kernel command line console argument, and enabling fbcon, etc
Jan 23 11:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> ask MohammadAG
Jan 23 11:31:18 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: ping
Jan 23 11:31:42 <MohammadAG> pong
Jan 23 11:32:03 <MohammadAG> framebuffer?
Jan 23 11:32:07 <MohammadAG> it's just a kernel config
Jan 23 11:32:15 <MohammadAG> CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE
Jan 23 11:32:35 <trumee> ShadowJK, what router is that? and how do you evaluate PSM?
Jan 23 11:32:45 <DocScrutinizer> CONFIG_PANIC_MORELIKELY
Jan 23 11:33:18 <DocScrutinizer> CONFIG_THREE_REBOOTS
Jan 23 11:33:19 <ShadowJK> trumee, N900 doesn't lag and doesn't get warm ;p
Jan 23 11:33:19 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: I'm trying to see boot-time messages on my Galaxy Tab
Jan 23 11:33:31 <lardman|home> MohammadAG: framebuffer console is enabled
Jan 23 11:33:32 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Jan 23 11:34:27 <lardman|home> so I'm wondering firstly if I need to set something on the kernel cmd line, and secondly if I need to activate the fbcon using a sysfs entry
Jan 23 11:34:31 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, and it doesn't show?
Jan 23 11:34:39 <MohammadAG> nope
Jan 23 11:34:41 <lardman|home> no, I just see the Samsung logo
Jan 23 11:34:45 <MohammadAG> with the correct config, it should show
Jan 23 11:34:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, given the fact musb-core is monolitic in kernel, you might be able to have USB console
Jan 23 11:35:19 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, would it be interesting to switch PSM to switch off using dbus or something
Jan 23 11:35:24 <lardman|home> DocScrutinizer: yeah I've enabled rndis, so I could have a console over a usb-ethernet connection
Jan 23 11:35:33 <lardman|home> or as you say a direct usb serial link
Jan 23 11:35:53 <lardman|home> but how? I guess one passes a different console setting on the kernel command line?
Jan 23 11:35:59 <trumee> DocScrutinizer, but PSM change might need a wifi connect/disconnect i think.
Jan 23 11:36:04 <DocScrutinizer> lardman|home: yep
Jan 23 11:36:13 <lardman|home> atm the setting is console=ttySAC2,115200
Jan 23 11:36:24 <lardman|home> I've tried adding in a second console=tty0
Jan 23 11:36:29 <lardman|home> no change though
Jan 23 11:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> I think I've seen kernel commandlines comprising console=USB
Jan 23 11:36:49 <lardman|home> that assumes there's a /dev/USB I guess
Jan 23 11:37:06 <MohammadAG> CONFIG_CMDLINE="init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"
Jan 23 11:37:11 <MohammadAG> that's the N900's
Jan 23 11:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> WTF?
Jan 23 11:37:47 <DocScrutinizer> on snd-soc you lost me
Jan 23 11:38:00 <MohammadAG> it's stock, don't ask me! :P
Jan 23 11:38:11 <lardman|home> ok, so it writes to a log file via a dev entry and also out to tty0
Jan 23 11:38:13 <MohammadAG> speaker limits afaik
Jan 23 11:38:32 <DocScrutinizer> quite possible
Jan 23 11:38:43 <DocScrutinizer> but that would mean kernel has xprot
Jan 23 11:38:47 <lardman|home> I also have tty0 enabled, but nothing on the screen, so the question is whether the fbcon device is being used/loaded to display the tty0 output I suppose?
Jan 23 11:38:54 <MohammadAG> who wants to risk a couple of speakers :P
Jan 23 11:39:41 <MohammadAG> have a look at the fbcon driver then
Jan 23 11:40:04 <DocScrutinizer> have a look at your kernel. I gather that's samsung
Jan 23 11:40:05 <alterego> What has fbcon have to do with speakers?
Jan 23 11:40:24 <DocScrutinizer> snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6"
Jan 23 11:40:47 <DocScrutinizer> *YAWN*
Jan 23 11:41:58 <alterego> I reckon maemo 5 would look much better with a prettier toolbar area
Jan 23 11:42:01 <DocScrutinizer> echo "o/"; sleep 1800
Jan 23 11:42:11 <alterego> It's always been an aspect of the UI that's bugged me
Jan 23 11:42:29 <MohammadAG> alterego, hildon-status-menu is open
Jan 23 11:42:37 <n900-space> marlaw: hey i'm back,  i was asking you about mkfs returning vfat as "no such file or directory"
Jan 23 11:42:38 <alterego> toolbar
Jan 23 11:42:43 <MohammadAG> ?
Jan 23 11:42:45 <alterego> Not the status bar
Jan 23 11:43:01 <alterego> The tool bar is the application specific area at the bottom
Jan 23 11:43:04 <MohammadAG> like microB's?
Jan 23 11:43:15 <alterego> Yeah, microbs, xterms etc.
Jan 23 11:43:23 <marlaw> n900-space, try again as root on the standard xterm (not debian)
Jan 23 11:43:28 <MohammadAG> I still want a one-lined status-menu :P
Jan 23 11:43:31 <n900-space> ok
Jan 23 11:43:41 <MohammadAG> would save screen estate
Jan 23 11:44:00 <alterego> Don't get you
Jan 23 11:44:08 <alterego> One lined? As in thiner?
Jan 23 11:44:53 <MohammadAG> yeah
Jan 23 11:45:06 <MohammadAG> currently it has icons on two lines
Jan 23 11:45:22 <MohammadAG> lower that to one line, stack icons next to each other, make clock smaller
Jan 23 11:45:41 <n900-space> marlaw: on the n900 root its says mkfs not found
Jan 23 11:45:54 <MohammadAG> MeeGo, Android, iOS, all use a smaller status-menu
Jan 23 11:46:09 <MohammadAG> now
Jan 23 11:46:20 <MohammadAG> how do I export /dev/mmcblk0p5 over USB...
Jan 23 11:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> n900-space: use ``root'', not ``sudo gainroot''
Jan 23 11:46:56 <lardman|home> the other thing, of course, is that one doens't see the console messages on the N900 unless you change the bootloader
Jan 23 11:47:05 <marlaw> n900-space, it's there, just not on your path .. should be in /usr/bin shouldn't it ? or maybe in /sbin
Jan 23 11:47:07 <MohammadAG> o_O
Jan 23 11:47:13 <MohammadAG> you can't change NOLO
Jan 23 11:47:17 <n900-space> i'm typing root, and then after that i wrote "mkfs -t vfat /dev/mmcblk1" and it returns me that error that mkfs not found
Jan 23 11:47:30 <lardman|home> you only see them with u-boot though, not with the standard setup
Jan 23 11:47:33 <alterego> I like the current size of the status bar.
Jan 23 11:47:33 <MohammadAG> mkfs.FStype
Jan 23 11:47:40 <MohammadAG> lardman|home, no
Jan 23 11:47:44 <DocScrutinizer> marlaw: it's in path when you get a full root login, not that crippled sudo gainroot
Jan 23 11:47:48 <MohammadAG> uBoot displays its own messages
Jan 23 11:47:53 <MohammadAG> CONFIG_FRAMEBUFFER_CONSOLE is set to n
Jan 23 11:48:05 <MohammadAG> if you install a kernel with y, it'll wor
Jan 23 11:48:06 <MohammadAG> k
Jan 23 11:48:07 <lardman|home> for normal N900 builds?
Jan 23 11:48:09 <lardman|home> ok
Jan 23 11:48:14 <MohammadAG> and add 3 reboots to your boot time
Jan 23 11:48:18 <n900-space> DocScrutinizer: i open the terminal and i type root and then i'm typing the commands but it cant see its there, ie if its there
Jan 23 11:48:29 <DocScrutinizer> n900-space: mkfs.vfat
Jan 23 11:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> n900-space: use tab
Jan 23 11:48:39 <marlaw> DocScrutinizer, yeah, I generally ssh from my box .. full keyboard :)
Jan 23 11:48:53 <MohammadAG> btw
Jan 23 11:49:08 <MohammadAG> mkfs.vfat reports "Unsupported memory card format"
Jan 23 11:49:27 <MohammadAG> you need to use the filemanager to get the vfat it expects
Jan 23 11:49:38 <MohammadAG> such a retarded concept that it doesn't detect FS type
Jan 23 11:50:01 <lardman|home> ah good, finally I see output
Jan 23 11:50:03 <lardman|home> nice one MohammadAG
Jan 23 11:50:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~xyawn
Jan 23 11:50:25 <infobot> [xyawn] sleep
Jan 23 11:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Jan 23 11:50:32 <MohammadAG> you compiled a kernel that fast?
Jan 23 11:50:35 <MohammadAG> o_O
Jan 23 11:50:50 <n900-space> DocScrutinizer: hmm, its in the path right, but i guess my partitions on the card are messed up, i says "mkfs.vfat: failed whilst writing reserved sector"
Jan 23 11:50:54 <lardman|home> yes, whole kernel only takes 90s
Jan 23 11:50:59 <lardman|home> and this was only a part build
Jan 23 11:51:07 <lardman|home> I have a quad core monster build machine
Jan 23 11:51:09 <MohammadAG> recreate the partition table
Jan 23 11:51:25 <MohammadAG> you run mkfs on a partition
Jan 23 11:51:25 <lardman|home> no, am only flashing the kernel and modifying initamfs
Jan 23 11:51:26 <n900-space> k
Jan 23 11:51:28 <MohammadAG> not a device block
Jan 23 11:51:40 <lardman|home> ah not me, /me tries a boot
Jan 23 11:51:51 <n900-space> so it should be mkfs.vfat /dev/mmcblk1p1 MohammadAG
Jan 23 11:51:51 <n900-space> ?
Jan 23 11:52:06 <DocScrutinizer> usually yes
Jan 23 11:52:14 * MohammadAG sighs @ freenode lag
Jan 23 11:52:20 <DocScrutinizer> unless you want a superfloppy
Jan 23 11:52:29 <n900-space> hehe
Jan 23 11:52:50 <lardman|home> hmm, well it's text mode now at least, but it just says "ANDROID" in the middle of the screen, so I guess that might be some sort of text-only splash screen
Jan 23 11:53:16 <n900-space> when I use /dev/mmcblk1p1 it says "no such file or directory"
Jan 23 11:53:30 <n900-space> i'm repartitioning the card
Jan 23 11:53:36 <MohammadAG> recreate partition table
Jan 23 11:54:07 <n900-space> now fdisk is not included in the default n900 installation?
Jan 23 11:54:16 <n900-space> cuz i just got fdisk: not found
Jan 23 11:54:26 <MohammadAG> sfdisk's there
Jan 23 11:54:27 <DocScrutinizer> sfdisk
Jan 23 11:54:31 <n900-space> ok
Jan 23 11:54:40 <n900-space> works the same? same commands?
Jan 23 11:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> or HFM, format card
Jan 23 11:54:58 <knightstalker> Hey,any browsers which support SOCKS proxy?
Jan 23 11:55:02 <MohammadAG> not sure, I use gparted :P
Jan 23 11:55:14 <DocScrutinizer> no, sfdisk sucks
Jan 23 11:55:45 <DocScrutinizer> apt-get install cfdisk
Jan 23 11:55:51 <n900-space> so i should just launch easdebian debsu and use that right?
Jan 23 11:56:00 <DocScrutinizer> or hey, format it on your PC! :-P
Jan 23 11:56:21 <n900-space> i only have windows on my laptop right now :$
Jan 23 11:56:43 <n900-space> and i want a swap and a fat
Jan 23 11:56:47 <DocScrutinizer> will create partitions just fine
Jan 23 11:57:07 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, you want a partitoned uSD
Jan 23 11:57:07 <n900-space> using the windows disk management ?
Jan 23 11:57:12 <n900-space> it wont create a swap
Jan 23 11:57:15 <n900-space> yea
Jan 23 11:57:22 <n900-space> a linux swap plus a windows fat
Jan 23 11:57:30 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Jan 23 11:57:39 <n900-space> ok i'm using the easy debian fdisk, it will work just fine
Jan 23 11:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> install cfdisk, or gparted
Jan 23 11:58:19 <MohammadAG> gparted?
Jan 23 11:58:26 <MohammadAG> on the N900?
Jan 23 11:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> you suggested that?
Jan 23 11:59:16 <n900-space> just installed a cfdisk,
Jan 23 11:59:17 <DocScrutinizer> t900:~# apt-cache policy cfdisk   ->   500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages
Jan 23 11:59:32 <DocScrutinizer> :-)
Jan 23 12:00:52 <Venemo> does anyone have experience with getting stuff to work on Wine?
Jan 23 12:01:09 <n900-space> cfdisk is giving a FATAL error
Jan 23 12:01:10 <n900-space> :o
Jan 23 12:01:19 <FauxFaux> This certaily makes ash less fail: grep alias .zshrc | sed 's,alias ,>/usr/bin/,;s,=, printf "#!/bin/sh\\n%s\\n" ,' | sh && chmod a+x /usr/bin/*
Jan 23 12:01:22 <lcuk> Venemo, lardman|home is always getting stuff done whilst on wine
Jan 23 12:01:41 <n900-space> i do cfdisk /dev/mmcblk1 and it shows some error briefly and disappears
Jan 23 12:01:49 <DocScrutinizer> n900-space: your uSD borked?
Jan 23 12:01:51 <Venemo> thanks lcuk
Jan 23 12:01:56 <Venemo> lardman|home: ping
Jan 23 12:02:00 <n900-space> borked?
Jan 23 12:02:04 <lcuk> Venemo, it might not be the same kind of wine you are thinking
Jan 23 12:02:07 <DocScrutinizer> fsckdup
Jan 23 12:02:14 <DocScrutinizer> defect
Jan 23 12:02:23 <n900-space> how do i check
Jan 23 12:02:27 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Jan 23 12:02:51 <Venemo> lcuk: your sense of humor always surprises me :P
Jan 23 12:02:58 <DocScrutinizer> dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/mmcblk1 bs=1M count=100
Jan 23 12:04:00 <trx> hm, ive got a microSDC class 2 card, i plan to install a compiler on it, will it be slow considering its a class 2? (i mean painfuly slow)
Jan 23 12:04:10 <marlaw> all, I'm going to go to the club where I potentially lost my mobile - finger crossed please ^__^
Jan 23 12:04:14 <lcuk> Venemo, it shouldn't - its a very precisely honed skill, many years of first posting slashdot ;)
Jan 23 12:04:18 <trx> like, gcc, fpc.. low level compilers..
Jan 23 12:04:49 * MohammadAG compiles on his eMMC
Jan 23 12:04:55 <MohammadAG> most time's spent in IO, as expected
Jan 23 12:04:59 <lcuk> trx gcc is not slow on the device, its the loading linking of the headers and .o files thats pretty sluggish for larger projects
Jan 23 12:05:11 <lcuk> as mo said
Jan 23 12:05:11 <trx> yeah, thats what i mean
Jan 23 12:05:33 <MohammadAG> uSD might be faster, ask ShadowJK
Jan 23 12:05:50 <trx> how can i use microsd?
Jan 23 12:05:54 <Venemo> lcuk: :)
Jan 23 12:06:12 <FauxFaux> Tmpfs in ram time.
Jan 23 12:06:29 <ShadowJK> I'd probably use uSD for this myself, just because emmc is handling so much other crap already
Jan 23 12:06:47 <lcuk> its a shame tcc does not output ARM
Jan 23 12:06:53 <MohammadAG> trx, chroot
Jan 23 12:06:57 <lcuk> for x86 its almost 10x faster than gcc
Jan 23 12:07:19 <FauxFaux> Roll on clang.
Jan 23 12:09:46 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Jan 23 12:10:07 <lcuk> morning Jaffa \o
Jan 23 12:10:26 <MohammadAG> morning Jaffa
Jan 23 12:14:04 <DocScrutinizer> hi Jaffa
Jan 23 12:14:44 <DocScrutinizer> n900-space: what's result of dd?
Jan 23 12:15:15 <n900-space> it says 100+0 records in, and 100+0 records out
Jan 23 12:15:31 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, so the card probably is OK
Jan 23 12:16:00 <DocScrutinizer> remove and re-insert it, and try again now
Jan 23 12:16:12 <DocScrutinizer> ...with cfdisk
Jan 23 12:16:32 <DocScrutinizer> or HFM
Jan 23 12:17:05 <DocScrutinizer> don't forget umount
Jan 23 12:17:41 <n900-space> ok
Jan 23 12:18:26 <n900-space> btw
Jan 23 12:23:25 <n900-space> DocScrutinizer: i took the card out and put it back
Jan 23 12:24:02 <n900-space> and write umount /dev/mmcblk1
Jan 23 12:24:13 <trx> MohammadAG have you used microSD yourself?
Jan 23 12:24:30 <n900-space> and it says "umount: cannot umount /dev/mmcblk1: Invalid argument"
Jan 23 12:25:55 <DocScrutinizer51> you can (and need) only umount volumes that show up in mount output
Jan 23 12:27:23 <toadpole> hey does the CA157 otg cable work with the n900?
Jan 23 12:27:27 <DocScrutinizer51> probably for now you got no volumes mounted on or in mmcblk1
Jan 23 12:28:35 <DocScrutinizer51> toadpole: yes, if you file off the edges and use h-e-n
Jan 23 12:29:08 <DocScrutinizer51> ~hostmode
Jan 23 12:29:08 <infobot> i heard hostmode is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=869527#post869527
Jan 23 12:29:47 <n900-space> :o i have hen on my n900 but havnt tried it :$ .. hehe .. should I just go ahead using it  or should read some tutorial?
Jan 23 12:30:12 <toadpole> ( DocScrutinizer ): how about this one: http://www.dealextreme.com/p/micro-usb-on-the-go-host-otg-adapter-pair-50774
Jan 23 12:31:09 <trx> i wouldnt recommend that
Jan 23 12:31:21 <DocScrutinizer51> toadpole: every fitting adapter will work
Jan 23 12:31:23 <trx> you can rip off the port..
Jan 23 12:31:40 <toadpole> isn't there an oem nokia cable that works out of the box?
Jan 23 12:31:54 <DocScrutinizer51> toadpole: please read the hostmode thread on tmo
Jan 23 12:32:41 <DocScrutinizer51> toadpole: yes, your ole CA-101 if you get a F-F adapter
Jan 23 12:33:27 <DocScrutinizer51> and use h-e-n of course
Jan 23 12:33:35 <alterego> Is there a hen uboot kernel?
Jan 23 12:33:58 <DocScrutinizer51> you're aware N900 has no OTG and no hostmode OOTB
Jan 23 12:34:09 <DocScrutinizer51> yep
Jan 23 12:34:14 <DocScrutinizer51> alterego:
Jan 23 12:34:26 <kerio> i thought it will never have OTG
Jan 23 12:34:27 <alterego> extras-devel?
Jan 23 12:34:32 <DocScrutinizer51> PK47-uboot
Jan 23 12:34:33 <kerio> because of hardware requirements
Jan 23 12:34:37 <DocScrutinizer51> yup
Jan 23 12:34:37 <alterego> kerio: it wont and doesn't :P
Jan 23 12:34:43 <kerio> fucking nokia
Jan 23 12:34:46 <MohammadAG> alterego, I'm awesome, uboot-power :p
Jan 23 12:34:46 <MohammadAG> 46*
Jan 23 12:34:50 <kerio> i really hope the n9 has it
Jan 23 12:34:57 <MohammadAG> it does
Jan 23 12:34:57 <alterego> MohammadAG: thanks
Jan 23 12:34:58 <BCMM> kerio: what is the definition of OTG?
Jan 23 12:35:07 <n900-space> brb
Jan 23 12:35:09 <MohammadAG> On Teh Go
Jan 23 12:35:13 <MohammadAG> typo intended
Jan 23 12:35:21 <BCMM> kerio: because it works as a regular USB host, albeit with weird plugs
Jan 23 12:35:22 <kerio> On T3h g0
Jan 23 12:35:42 <kerio> usb otg is slave mode + host mode + autoconfiguration through hardware
Jan 23 12:35:45 <SpeedEvil> OTG is to USB host what hermaphrodide is to sex-change.
Jan 23 12:35:46 <MohammadAG> OTG can detect that it has to switch to host on itself
Jan 23 12:35:55 <kerio> SpeedEvil: hahaha
Jan 23 12:35:56 <MohammadAG> with some pin
Jan 23 12:36:04 <MohammadAG> s/on/by
Jan 23 12:36:12 <BCMM> habmala: ah...
Jan 23 12:36:18 <MohammadAG> lol SpeedEvil
Jan 23 12:36:41 <BCMM> habmala: sorry, mishighlight
Jan 23 12:36:59 <DocScrutinizer51> SpeedEvil: brilliant
Jan 23 12:37:06 <DocScrutinizer51> and to the point
Jan 23 12:38:55 <DocScrutinizer51> MohammadAG: esp OTG can swap roles on the fly
Jan 23 12:39:27 <DocScrutinizer51> and has a protocol for that: HNP
Jan 23 12:40:47 <DocScrutinizer51> though I don't know of a single usecase for that in the wild
Jan 23 12:42:53 <DocScrutinizer51> HNP on itself is useless, it needs support on app layer at both ends
Jan 23 12:43:50 <alterego> I think I've only seen it work with "the cable" ..
Jan 23 12:46:10 <DocScrutinizer51> OTG cables just have an A and a B end, and assign A role to one device. Usually A means host, but HNP can swap this any time, so A plays periph and B plays host
Jan 23 12:46:39 <Arkenoi> is there desktop version of conboy? tomboy sucks, it uses mono (bloatware) and stopped synchronizing properly a few months ago
Jan 23 12:47:00 <DocScrutinizer51> B end is 'standard', A end has ID shor to GND
Jan 23 12:47:33 <lardman|home> hmm, it appears that I can't actually alter the kernel command line at compile time, it's overridden presumably be the bootloader
Jan 23 12:47:47 <lardman|home> s/be/by
Jan 23 12:49:15 <DocScrutinizer51> that's how it's supposed to work, yes
Jan 23 12:50:31 <eichi> is there a way, that the media player don't save the music album covers in the same directory as the phone camera does?
Jan 23 12:50:32 <BCMM> lardman|home: kernels can have a default command line, for use of the bootloader gives them nothing
Jan 23 12:51:09 <DocScrutinizer51> eichi: you're assuming things
Jan 23 12:51:48 <eichi> DocScrutinizer?
Jan 23 12:52:40 <DocScrutinizer51> eichi: check the directory on MyDocs/images or eveb DCIM - you'll not find any cover art stored there
Jan 23 12:53:12 <DocScrutinizer51> it's fsckng thumbnailerd/trackerd that is mixing up things
Jan 23 12:53:18 <lcuk> lardman|home, \o
Jan 23 12:53:21 <eichi> okay, means, just the image wiever shows all images from all dics
Jan 23 12:53:29 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Jan 23 12:53:44 <DocScrutinizer51> a know PITA
Jan 23 12:53:47 <alterego> I was thinking of writing a "QuteBoy"
Jan 23 12:56:22 <alterego> Would work on Desktop, Mobile etc ..
Jan 23 12:56:39 <RST38h> alterego: Write a QuteBASIC!
Jan 23 12:56:53 <RST38h> moo, all
Jan 23 12:57:06 <alterego> Isn't QuteBASIC like Qml?
Jan 23 12:57:18 <RST38h> lardman: Got a coworker interestedin porting Meego to some Samsung ARM based dev board
Jan 23 12:57:33 <RST38h> lardman: Is it ok to send him your way, or is it different from what you are doing?
Jan 23 12:57:52 <RST38h> Qml is like client side of AJAX :)
Jan 23 12:58:46 <alterego> Well, it has Java Script as well, but Qml is much nicer than html for ux design ..
Jan 23 13:00:14 <lcuk> alterego, does qml do dynamic layouts and tables? *grin*
Jan 23 13:00:20 <RST38h> alterego: No shit, given that HTML has never been intended for uI design
Jan 23 13:00:55 <lcuk> qml_blink is important
Jan 23 13:00:57 <eichi> why is there an "Camera" and an DCIM folder both?
Jan 23 13:01:02 <alterego> lcuk: heh, sure, if you code it :P
Jan 23 13:01:07 <eichi> is there some "idea" behind it?
Jan 23 13:01:22 <lcuk> eichi, DCIM is standard folder for photos when plugged into usb
Jan 23 13:01:27 <alterego> eichi: did you make the Camera folder?
Jan 23 13:02:13 <alterego> Oh, I see.
Jan 23 13:02:30 <eichi> no. but maybe BlessN900? its its one, with a emblem
Jan 23 13:02:51 <alterego> Anyway, DCIM is used by computers and other devices to detect whether a storage device is used with a digital camera.
Jan 23 13:03:38 <alterego> The 'Camera' directory is a virtual directory, as in, it doesn't actually exist.
Jan 23 13:03:48 <eichi> yeah, read about DCF
Jan 23 13:03:49 <alterego> It's just shown in file manager
Jan 23 13:04:09 * RST38h is being spammed in Arabic now. WTF?
Jan 23 13:04:12 <eichi> softlink?
Jan 23 13:04:13 <kerio> and that's one of the many wtfs
Jan 23 13:04:36 <alterego> .desktop renames DCIM to "Camera" I believe.
Jan 23 13:04:51 <alterego> It's a fat filesystem so no symlinks
Jan 23 13:05:01 <eichi> oh okay
Jan 23 13:05:13 <n900-space> DocScrutinizer51: i used fdisk to partition the card from easydebian terminal, and from n900 i formatted the p1 to vfat, and used mkswap for the swap p2 partition (i'm guessing the mkswap formats the partition as well cuz i didnt format it from mkfs)
Jan 23 13:05:50 <DocScrutinizer51> yes
Jan 23 13:06:01 <n900-space> did swapoff of the mmcblk0p3
Jan 23 13:06:56 <n900-space> btw, i read on tmo that after I do a "w" on fdisk, i should take out the card and put it back in for i dont some kernel stuff undating itself (i dont remember correctly I dont know this stuff)
Jan 23 13:07:04 <n900-space> but right now i have done all without taking out the card
Jan 23 13:07:09 <DocScrutinizer51> alterego: I got DCIM FCamera .images .videos X-/
Jan 23 13:07:11 <n900-space> lemme see if n900 is even working !!
Jan 23 13:07:30 <n900-space> working all fine
Jan 23 13:08:11 <eichi> i can remove the macOS folder if i dont want special shortscuts on mac if i plug it on some of there strange devices?
Jan 23 13:08:45 <rhkfin> Wonder why syncing e-mail & calendar with Google is so hard & slow..
Jan 23 13:08:53 <DocScrutinizer51> eichi: you *could*, if it's really worth the effort
Jan 23 13:09:09 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: yeah, they're all for different things though :P
Jan 23 13:09:48 <alterego> eichi: I've never needed them, but it's not like it's wasting space.
Jan 23 13:10:33 <eichi> yeah, but pumping up the main user folder view
Jan 23 13:10:42 <lcuk> who has fcam on their devices?
Jan 23 13:10:59 <alterego> lcuk: I do
Jan 23 13:11:04 <eichi> i too, think so
Jan 23 13:11:39 <lcuk> could you perhaps add someexample photos with it onto here please: http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2522
Jan 23 13:12:28 <lcuk> I don't have fcam and it might potentially offer alternative macro focusing algo
Jan 23 13:13:09 <eichi> i, i dont have too. thought it is the new module name, sorr
Jan 23 13:13:09 <eichi> y
Jan 23 13:13:49 <alterego> How close to the screen are we talking?
Jan 23 13:14:11 <lcuk> alterego, phone touching the screen
Jan 23 13:14:21 <lcuk> as you see, whether it focues is not really important
Jan 23 13:14:30 <lcuk> its just what actually comes out of the sensor
Jan 23 13:14:34 <lcuk> when you take a pic
Jan 23 13:15:01 <alterego> m'kay
Jan 23 13:17:59 <eichi> cities folder is just the avi maps one. mappero uses another one?
Jan 23 13:21:12 <alterego> Indeed
Jan 23 13:21:22 <lardman|home> BCMM: sorry for the slow reply, yes that's what I'm setting at compile time and it's being overridded/ignored
Jan 23 13:21:38 <lardman|home> overridden even
Jan 23 13:23:47 <alterego> lcuk: dng or is the jpg okay :P
Jan 23 13:24:04 <lcuk> alterego, whatever you have available is good :)
Jan 23 13:24:08 <lcuk> its just experimentation
Jan 23 13:24:29 <lardman|home> will explicitly setting the kernel console param to something not tty*0 stop the fb console from receiving boot messages?
Jan 23 13:24:45 <javispedro> "quiet"?
Jan 23 13:25:40 <lardman|home> no, atm it seems to be set by the bootloader to "console=ttySA2,115200 loglevel=4"
Jan 23 13:26:11 <lardman|home> and I see a text framebuffer with the text "ANDROID" somewhere near the middle, but nothing else happens there
Jan 23 13:28:07 <alterego> lcuk: done
Jan 23 13:28:40 <alterego> Weird how forum.meego.com doesn't do image scaling ..
Jan 23 13:28:58 <lardman|home> so the question is now whether to patch the kernel to add in an extra console=tty0 assuming that should then push messages to the fb console
Jan 23 13:29:30 <lcuk> :D awesome alterego, thanks
Jan 23 13:29:38 <lcuk> theres some great shots on the thread now http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?t=2522
Jan 23 13:30:03 <lcuk> i wonder though whether there is any device which can actually focus all the way down to the screen
Jan 23 13:30:09 <lcuk> ie uber macro
Jan 23 13:31:14 <BCMM> alterego: it just hotlinks them...
Jan 23 13:31:23 <alterego> BCMM: I know, and?
Jan 23 13:31:23 <BCMM> it doesn't do anything to the images
Jan 23 13:31:31 <alterego> tmo does something.
Jan 23 13:31:37 <alterego> Even if it's client side ..
Jan 23 13:31:44 <alterego> Probably some stylesheet.
Jan 23 13:31:54 <alterego> It just looks horrible when it doesn't do any scaling ..
Jan 23 13:32:19 <BCMM> lcuk: i'm curious as to why you're doing that?
Jan 23 13:32:37 <BCMM> lcuk: also, is macro on the n900 actually any different from just setting manual focus at 5cm in fcamera?
Jan 23 13:33:15 <lardman|home> BCMM: there's a different setting for macro in the sw
Jan 23 13:33:28 <lardman|home> i.e. it's a gstphotography setting
Jan 23 13:33:33 <lcuk> BCMM, i want to see just what details come out of the camera sensor with the device flat on surface
Jan 23 13:33:59 <lcuk> because its been in mind for a while (i have demo video and stuff) of using n900 as a desktop mouse
Jan 23 13:34:13 <BCMM> heh, that's kinda an awesome idea
Jan 23 13:34:30 <lcuk> using the privacy light (red one) so that the scene is illuminated a bit I can already see woodgrain
Jan 23 13:34:54 <lcuk> but I wondered whether there are any already existing devices which can actually focus closer still
Jan 23 13:47:43 <alterego> Ooo, top gear starts again tonight
Jan 23 13:59:26 <MohammadAG> alterego, Venemo any suggestions? http://i54.tinypic.com/bzpkz.jpg
Jan 23 14:00:56 <trx> string conversion bad
Jan 23 14:01:02 <trx> usually
Jan 23 14:01:33 * SpeedEvil ponders a car running maemo.
Jan 23 14:12:01 <John-Smith> how can i make programs for maemo ?
Jan 23 14:12:25 <trx> http://maemo.org/development/
Jan 23 14:13:05 <John-Smith> trx: its not a java based ?
Jan 23 14:13:07 <alterego> MohammadAG: wtf? :D
Jan 23 14:13:24 <trx> John-Smith no. thank god.
Jan 23 14:13:25 <MohammadAG> alterego, arabic :P
Jan 23 14:13:48 <trx> you can develop in any language that can compile for ARM
Jan 23 14:13:50 <alterego> Oh, are you doing QString::fromUtf8?
Jan 23 14:14:05 <trx> i for example use fpc
Jan 23 14:14:07 <MohammadAG> http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/musicwindow.cpp#line258
Jan 23 14:14:48 <trx> "title.toAscii()"
Jan 23 14:15:12 <trx> this looks bad
Jan 23 14:15:27 <Tsuyo> Hi, is there a way to get a streetname, land, city of a specific LAT/LNG Coord? I don't want to use Online methods, since i have Ovi Maps installed on my N900. I asked in #Qt but they said "wrong channel" :o
Jan 23 14:15:44 <MohammadAG> was testing, even without it it's the same iirc
Jan 23 14:16:35 <SpeedEvil> I don't think you can get data out of ovi maps.
Jan 23 14:16:36 <SpeedEvil> Ever.
Jan 23 14:16:37 <MohammadAG> oh yay
Jan 23 14:16:39 <MohammadAG> worked
Jan 23 14:16:48 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 14:16:55 <alterego> :P
Jan 23 14:17:00 <SpeedEvil> Well - programmatically.
Jan 23 14:17:22 <MohammadAG> was editing the wrong file
Jan 23 14:17:23 <MohammadAG> :P
Jan 23 14:17:33 * alterego adds man over board function and eta reporting in Columbus
Jan 23 14:17:34 <trx> lol
Jan 23 14:17:59 <John-Smith> trx: where i can start any tips for me i am very new here :)
Jan 23 14:18:24 <trx>  http://maemo.org/development/
Jan 23 14:18:30 <trx> this should get you started..
Jan 23 14:18:37 <nid0> John-Smith: the link you were given has a whole "get started" section :>
Jan 23 14:19:22 <MohammadAG> yay
Jan 23 14:19:31 <MohammadAG> epic startup time now that tracker lists songs
Jan 23 14:19:45 <MohammadAG> alterego, is there a way to time UI start up?
Jan 23 14:20:01 <John-Smith> i am here just because its not java :D
Jan 23 14:20:21 <alterego> MohammadAG: depends how accurate you want to be.
Jan 23 14:20:34 <MohammadAG> alterego, like `time`
Jan 23 14:20:53 <alterego> Yeah, but time doesn't know when you UIs finished drawing.
Jan 23 14:21:51 <MohammadAG> well
Jan 23 14:22:01 <MohammadAG> that's why I asked you :P
Jan 23 14:22:19 <MohammadAG> I just want the time needed to show the QMainWindow
Jan 23 14:22:55 <MohammadAG> regardless
Jan 23 14:23:03 <MohammadAG> it starts up faster than the stock mediaplayer, epic win
Jan 23 14:23:11 <MohammadAG> XD
Jan 23 14:24:13 <trx> hmm, how can i update qt libs on my n900?
Jan 23 14:24:30 <trx> i have 4.7.0 currently
Jan 23 14:24:35 <SpeedEvil> Why do you want to?
Jan 23 14:24:51 <trx> because of a potential bug
Jan 23 14:24:58 <trx> with QImage
Jan 23 14:25:44 <MohammadAG> sure
Jan 23 14:25:49 <MohammadAG> just build and install
Jan 23 14:26:38 <trx> there arent any compiled versions to install?
Jan 23 14:28:06 <MohammadAG> which version?
Jan 23 14:29:07 <trx> i would like 4.7.1 (or higher?)
Jan 23 14:29:41 <alterego> We have -experimental in extras-devel
Jan 23 14:30:39 <MohammadAG> that still exists?
Jan 23 14:31:11 <alterego> Hrm, only 4.7.0
Jan 23 14:32:01 <alterego> Lame someone should sort that out
Jan 23 14:32:14 <alterego> Either that or meego
Jan 23 14:32:17 <MohammadAG> alterego, wanna patch in with a type-to-search box? :P
Jan 23 14:32:24 <MohammadAG> pitch even
Jan 23 14:32:57 <alterego> QSortFilterProxyModel
Jan 23 14:33:52 <alterego> That enough?
Jan 23 14:34:08 <alterego> There's a qtm 12 now?
Jan 23 14:35:11 <alterego> So, why keep qtm up-to-date but forget about qt ...
Jan 23 14:35:23 <trumee> http://twitter.com/eldarmurtazin/status/29055821270745088
Jan 23 14:36:24 <MohammadAG> alterego, anything that can show as you type
Jan 23 14:36:33 <MohammadAG> trumee, eldar's full of bullshit, even bullshit says he is
Jan 23 14:36:37 <MohammadAG> so full*
Jan 23 14:36:52 <trumee> MohammadAG: right
Jan 23 14:37:10 <alterego> Link a QLineEdit to a QSortFliterProxyModel's filter
Jan 23 14:37:21 <alterego> It'll do the hard stuff for you.
Jan 23 14:37:44 <MohammadAG> alterego, it has to read from three parts
Jan 23 14:37:55 <alterego> Eh?
Jan 23 14:37:59 <MohammadAG> song name, album, artist
Jan 23 14:38:05 <alterego> Oh, right
Jan 23 14:38:09 <alterego> Hrm
Jan 23 14:39:10 <alterego> You could make a new column that's a string with all three concatenated and link the filter to that
Jan 23 14:39:58 <alterego> tbh, I wouldn't be suprised if the N9-00 is cancelled.
Jan 23 14:41:10 <MohammadAG> the RM680 exists
Jan 23 14:41:26 <MohammadAG> and so does the RM696
Jan 23 14:41:39 <alterego> What are they?
Jan 23 14:41:57 <ShadowJK> we never saw RX-71 :)
Jan 23 14:41:58 <MohammadAG> don't ask me, grep the mce sources
Jan 23 14:42:06 <alterego> Have they gone through fcc yet? :P
Jan 23 14:42:10 <MohammadAG> but it exists :P
Jan 23 14:42:27 <MohammadAG> meh
Jan 23 14:42:50 <alterego> RM is more positive than RX though
Jan 23 14:43:21 <alterego> RM is the proper handset tag Nokia give, where as RX was always used for our maemo black sheep devices :)
Jan 23 14:43:55 <korhojoa_> how come we're always RX ?
Jan 23 14:44:05 <MohammadAG> RX is cooler
Jan 23 14:44:07 <korhojoa_> haha
Jan 23 14:44:18 <korhojoa_> "It's the Nokia Black Ops edition"
Jan 23 14:44:29 <MohammadAG> alterego, http://twitter.com/#!/MohammadAG/status/26684409692299264 :p
Jan 23 14:45:17 <MohammadAG> wrong line
Jan 23 14:45:19 <MohammadAG> http://meego.gitorious.org/meego-middleware/mce/blobs/master/mce.ini#line509
Jan 23 14:45:31 <MohammadAG> 511 	
Jan 23 14:45:32 <MohammadAG> # Patterns used for the RM-680/RM-690 hardware;
Jan 23 14:45:32 <MohammadAG> 512 	
Jan 23 14:45:32 <MohammadAG> # this hardware has a single-colour LED connected to a Lysti controller
Jan 23 14:45:42 <MohammadAG> # Patterns used for the RM-696 hardware;
Jan 23 14:45:50 <MohammadAG> I missed the 690 somehow o_O
Jan 23 14:46:12 <MohammadAG> so that's three devices
Jan 23 14:46:39 <alterego> The numbers are quite randomly selected don't expect them to be in any kind of seqential order.
Jan 23 14:47:05 <MohammadAG> duh, the 5800 isn't newer than the 900 :P
Jan 23 14:48:12 <alterego> I'll have to remember those designations though
Jan 23 14:48:33 <alterego> But just because they're there doesn't mean anything.
Jan 23 14:49:16 <alterego> There has been a lot of rumour about the meego/harmattan device being cancelled.
Jan 23 14:50:11 <SpeedEvil> It's going to have a iapx432 CPU.
Jan 23 14:50:15 <SpeedEvil> It's the coming thing.
Jan 23 14:50:16 <marlaw> a quick update on my lost n900 - both clubs I went on Friday night are still closed and it wasn't left at work on my desk.. so i got a nexus s and cancelled my old sim
Jan 23 14:50:25 <SpeedEvil> :/
Jan 23 14:50:50 <SpeedEvil> do the police in your area do anything if you report thefts to them?
Jan 23 14:51:04 <SpeedEvil> Also - you can get the IMEI barred too
Jan 23 14:51:32 <marlaw> well my phone required reflashing in order to be used .. if the thief can do that then he deserves to use it
Jan 23 14:52:24 <marlaw> i.e. i had a lock code + pin
Jan 23 14:53:59 <Juozapas> do u use default network manager for connect to wireless networks ?
Jan 23 14:55:04 <SpeedEvil> There is little else.
Jan 23 14:56:15 <MohammadAG> someone get gnome network-manager
Jan 23 14:56:32 <MohammadAG> should work well, but we need 3G patched in
Jan 23 14:57:59 <Juozapas> i dont know is network manager problem but sometimes i lost connection (when i am far away from access point) but the icon still shows that i'm connected
Jan 23 14:58:04 <korhojoa_> haha
Jan 23 14:58:28 <korhojoa_> lcuk: do you do a lot of microlocation updates?
Jan 23 14:58:31 <lcuk> MohammadAG, wow loads of guests looking at the macro crowdsource thread
Jan 23 14:58:40 <lcuk> korhojoa_, first time in months
Jan 23 14:58:56 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: and all of the backend shit.
Jan 23 14:59:26 <korhojoa_> lcuk: whatever you say ;)
Jan 23 14:59:28 <lcuk> MohammadAG, I asked apple and android users to join in.  do you have any you can post? http://forum.meego.com/showthread.php?p=16230#post16230
Jan 23 14:59:51 <lcuk> korhojoa_, look back through logs, I rarely change my nickname
Jan 23 15:01:11 <MohammadAG> lcuk, I'll ask on the other server :)
Jan 23 15:01:33 <MohammadAG> lcuk, do I get a trophy for best pic?
Jan 23 15:02:34 <lcuk> MohammadAG, when I see photos from everything else, yeah
Jan 23 15:02:40 <lcuk> so far Nokia has best focus :)
Jan 23 15:02:59 <MohammadAG> N86*
Jan 23 15:03:11 <MohammadAG> the N900 can be a bit meh :P
Jan 23 15:03:22 <lcuk> MohammadAG, n900 is awesome
Jan 23 15:03:34 <lcuk> the n86 has a controllable torch/flash also?
Jan 23 15:03:37 <korhojoa_> lcuk: i was kidding :P
Jan 23 15:03:44 <MohammadAG> LOL @ symbian blogs
Jan 23 15:04:01 <MohammadAG> they saw a QML app and started a rumor about a new multitasking UI
Jan 23 15:04:21 <MohammadAG> lcuk, yes
Jan 23 15:04:22 <MohammadAG> the flash on the N86 is AWESOME
Jan 23 15:04:35 <MohammadAG> it's comparable to xenon in terms of brightness
Jan 23 15:05:08 <alterego> MohammadAG: I suppose this RM-680 is something else ... https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=211393&fcc_id=%27QTKRM-680%27
Jan 23 15:05:40 <MohammadAG> .gov site, it's a trap to capture me!
Jan 23 15:05:55 <alterego> Yes, yes it is :)
Jan 23 15:06:11 <MohammadAG> you want my N900z!
Jan 23 15:06:26 <alterego> Or it's a link to the FCC testing for the X5-01 AKA RM-680
Jan 23 15:06:27 <MohammadAG> why? I luvs my n9O0z
Jan 23 15:07:05 <MohammadAG> ooh, a manual
Jan 23 15:07:11 * MohammadAG clicks
Jan 23 15:07:18 <alterego> I meant this, sorry: https://fjallfoss.fcc.gov/oetcf/eas/reports/ViewExhibitReport.cfm?mode=Exhibits&RequestTimeout=500&calledFromFrame=N&application_id=211393&fcc_id=%27QTKRM-68%27
Jan 23 15:07:34 <alterego> Bollocks, that's wrong too ..
Jan 23 15:07:47 <alterego> Oh, that one works though ..
Jan 23 15:07:55 <alterego> fuzzy search criteria I guess.
Jan 23 15:08:32 <MohammadAG> X5
Jan 23 15:09:07 <alterego> Yes, RM-680 brings X5
Jan 23 15:09:53 <MohammadAG> interesting
Jan 23 15:09:53 <MohammadAG> eww
Jan 23 15:09:53 <MohammadAG> squashed look
Jan 23 15:10:07 <alterego> Actually, the handset is square.
Jan 23 15:10:36 <alterego> otoh, googling gives things like this: http://noknok.tv/2010/08/23/nokia-n9-rm-680-meego-specs-emerge/
Jan 23 15:10:51 <alterego> We all remember that stuff.
Jan 23 15:11:26 <alterego> You should have said, "makulkar is this your device: http://noknok.tv/wp-content/uploads/2010/08/Nokia-N9-QWERTY-MeeGo-Leaked.jpg"
Jan 23 15:11:47 <MohammadAG> lol
Jan 23 15:12:08 <MohammadAG> is it me, or do I find mac's looks shitty
Jan 23 15:12:15 <alterego> :)
Jan 23 15:12:25 <alterego> I'm sure it's not _just_ you,
Jan 23 15:12:35 <alterego>  But I bet your personality has something to do with it :P
Jan 23 15:12:55 <MohammadAG> lmao
Jan 23 15:13:12 <MohammadAG> btw
Jan 23 15:13:23 <MohammadAG> can't we request the boards Nokia use and build our own devices?
Jan 23 15:13:38 <korhojoa_> er, why would they give them to us?
Jan 23 15:13:42 <alterego> Interesting, apparently a leaked Ovi upload page displayed this a while ago: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/ff.png
Jan 23 15:14:44 <MohammadAG> alterego, is it normal for an app to segfault at exit?
Jan 23 15:14:52 <alterego> MohammadAG: yes and no
Jan 23 15:15:05 <MohammadAG> it's not noticeable :p
Jan 23 15:15:08 <alterego> It means you're probably not cleaning up properly.
Jan 23 15:15:23 <alterego> It should also be very easy to debug :P
Jan 23 15:15:26 <alterego> As you can replicate it.
Jan 23 15:15:33 <alterego> So don't be lazy and fix it :)
Jan 23 15:15:36 <lcuk> Nokia naming should be secret agent style.  E-007
Jan 23 15:15:43 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 15:15:44 <MohammadAG> tried it
Jan 23 15:15:52 <MohammadAG> to*
Jan 23 15:15:52 <MohammadAG> it always returns the segfault to Qt's libs
Jan 23 15:16:32 <MohammadAG> alterego, http://pastebin.com/VzGcHsjr
Jan 23 15:16:41 <alterego> Apparently that Ovi mistake might be an indication it will be at mwc
Jan 23 15:16:45 <alterego> Which is possible I guess.
Jan 23 15:16:57 <BCMM> MohammadAG: "it's not noticeable" - yeah, that's probably why loads of applications seem to suffer from it
Jan 23 15:16:59 <alterego> I reckon Nokia wont fly it as flagship after the N900
Jan 23 15:17:05 <BCMM> it's wrong, but it doesn't feel like it matters to some people
Jan 23 15:17:08 <alterego> They'll probably continue pushing N8 very hard.
Jan 23 15:17:17 <BCMM> (ofc, it probably indicates a bigger problem)
Jan 23 15:17:22 <MohammadAG> N8 bottom cover broke here :P
Jan 23 15:17:41 <SpeedEvil> MohammadAG: they were pushing it too hard.
Jan 23 15:17:49 <MohammadAG> LOL
Jan 23 15:18:05 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 15:21:17 <alterego> "Nokia N900" in ovi is under "Touch" and not "Fill Keyboard" :/
Jan 23 15:22:16 <fellu> yea
Jan 23 15:22:33 <nid0> there're plenty of mistakes in phone types, the e90 isnt under full keyboard either, apparently thats a "classic"
Jan 23 15:22:57 <alterego> I can't believe someone is selling a "Mobile Web Server" application ..
Jan 23 15:23:11 <fellu> :D
Jan 23 15:23:24 <alterego> I bet they didn't sell scht
Jan 23 15:23:55 <ShadowJK> Lots of people use the mobile web server for pc-phone filetransfer
Jan 23 15:24:16 <nid0> tbh, dont really see the problem with it - its a tiny low-power webserver that has a user-friendly ui to set their device up to serve
Jan 23 15:24:17 <alterego> Weird, I guess it's easier if you don't use ssh regularlary like I do.
Jan 23 15:24:22 <alterego> Well, ssh and usb networking.
Jan 23 15:24:29 <ShadowJK> ... which just proves what a terrible experience using symbian is
Jan 23 15:24:34 <alterego> "user friendly" ..
Jan 23 15:24:39 <MohammadAG> yay
Jan 23 15:24:42 <MohammadAG> got another battery
Jan 23 15:24:48 <alterego> I'm talking about the N900 version not symbian :P
Jan 23 15:24:55 <ShadowJK> ah, that makes no sense
Jan 23 15:24:58 <nid0> clicking a few straightforward buttons is easier than asking someone to write a vhost by hand
Jan 23 15:25:34 <alterego> nid0: yeah, I get it, I guess it's easy to sell an app to users that basically just wrap up slightly specialist knowledge
Jan 23 15:25:53 <alterego> I like how he ripped off the KDE icons too ..
Jan 23 15:27:18 <alterego> Seeing a lot of stuff on there now, just makes me depressed I decided not to sell Columbus
Jan 23 15:27:25 <alterego> Guess what, 0 donations ..
Jan 23 15:27:52 <nid0> had many downloads of it yet?
Jan 23 15:27:57 <alterego> Lots
Jan 23 15:28:10 <alterego> Admittedly it's not v1 yet and it's not in extras.
Jan 23 15:28:30 <alterego> So it's probably better having it "out there" than just me and a few trusted testers.
Jan 23 15:28:51 <alterego> I think I'll sell v2
Jan 23 15:35:09 <MohammadAG> alterego, I know why there aren't donations
Jan 23 15:35:22 <MohammadAG> URL detect mousePressEvent(), not mouse release!
Jan 23 15:35:33 <MohammadAG> fix that, the donations will magically start
Jan 23 15:35:42 <MohammadAG> I think
Jan 23 15:36:01 <alterego> What?
Jan 23 15:36:29 <MohammadAG> press a link, then move the mouse away from it
Jan 23 15:36:32 <MohammadAG> the browser will still open
Jan 23 15:38:25 <alterego> where?
Jan 23 15:38:36 <alterego> What link are you talking about?
Jan 23 15:39:00 <MohammadAG> the two links you have there, docs and columbus page
Jan 23 15:39:15 <alterego> docs is a broken link anywayh
Jan 23 15:39:21 <alterego> and it's a button
Jan 23 15:39:26 <mikki-kun> alterego: maybe many people don't know what columbus actually is good for or are not "motivated" enough to get something nice running with it?
Jan 23 15:39:29 <alterego> the links are the webpage and email
Jan 23 15:40:00 <alterego> mikki-kun: probably, I'm not too fussed, but there is a lot of people playing with it :)
Jan 23 15:40:19 <mikki-kun> alterego: does it phone home? =p
Jan 23 15:40:23 <mikki-kun> or how can you tell? :)
Jan 23 15:42:18 <alterego> downloads
Jan 23 15:42:23 <alterego> And activity on my forum thread.
Jan 23 15:42:34 <mikki-kun> ok, the activity says more than the downloads :)
Jan 23 15:44:55 <mikki-kun> does it also in some way enable logging and if so, which format?
Jan 23 15:45:35 <alterego> Its most notable feature is the ability to act as a bluetooth or usb GPS dongle.
Jan 23 15:45:40 <alterego> But it also logs to file in NMEA
Jan 23 15:45:49 <alterego> And streams over a network
Jan 23 15:46:14 <alterego> It's getting closer to my planned v1 feature set though, basically a handheld GPS receiver like application.
Jan 23 15:46:24 <alterego> v2 will include groovy mapping funcions.
Jan 23 15:46:52 <mikki-kun> how does it work with the streams over a network?
Jan 23 15:47:08 <alterego> as a client or server
Jan 23 15:47:15 <alterego> Useful for linking with gspd
Jan 23 15:47:19 <alterego> ~gpsd ..
Jan 23 15:47:27 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 23 15:47:39 <MohammadAG> alterego, can I convert a QString (which was a QTime) to an int?
Jan 23 15:47:50 <mikki-kun> if you have mobile internet i assume :)
Jan 23 15:47:58 <alterego> Sure, depending on the format of the string.
Jan 23 15:48:10 <alterego> mikki-kun: or connected via adhoc wifi
Jan 23 15:48:16 <alterego> Or usb networking,
Jan 23 15:48:35 <jacekowski> alterego: btw. columbus is broken on my phone
Jan 23 15:48:36 <alterego> It's there to be feature complete, the usb serial device and bluetooth serial device streaming are the most useful.
Jan 23 15:48:44 <alterego> jacekowski: the version from -devel?
Jan 23 15:48:49 <jacekowski> yes
Jan 23 15:49:02 <alterego> Apparently it didn't force a librxsupport update.
Jan 23 15:49:28 <alterego> Oh, I think I know why too :/
Jan 23 15:49:42 <jacekowski> hmm
Jan 23 15:49:43 <alterego> I'll upload a new version in a minute.
Jan 23 15:49:46 <jacekowski> where is it installed anyways?
Jan 23 15:49:56 <alterego> /opt/usr
Jan 23 15:50:25 <jacekowski> unknown symbol - ...FileLoggerConfig
Jan 23 15:50:51 <alterego> Heh, that's a new one ^.^
Jan 23 15:51:34 <jacekowski> /opt/usr/bin/columbus: symbol lookup error: /opt/usr/bin/columbus: undefined symbol: _ZTV16FileLoggerConfig
Jan 23 15:52:23 <jacekowski> you depend on quite a lot of libraries
Jan 23 15:52:56 <alterego> jacekowski: that happens on startup right?
Jan 23 15:53:17 <jacekowski> yes
Jan 23 15:53:26 <jacekowski> one of libraries is in older version
Jan 23 15:53:30 <jacekowski> or newer
Jan 23 15:53:35 <alterego> libcolumbus is probably too old.
Jan 23 15:53:41 <alterego> That's a bit crappy.
Jan 23 15:53:49 <jacekowski> let me reinstall it
Jan 23 15:54:03 <jacekowski> /opt/usr/bin/columbus: symbol lookup error: /opt/usr/bin/columbus: undefined symbol: _ZTV22Maemo5FullScreenButton
Jan 23 15:54:06 <jacekowski> new one
Jan 23 15:54:25 <alterego> That's because of the old librxsupport
Jan 23 15:54:30 <alterego> Can you update that package.
Jan 23 15:54:55 <jacekowski> let me see
Jan 23 15:55:30 <alterego> I should setup my own -devel repository so I can test migrations, seeing as most people are using -devel now :/
Jan 23 15:56:11 <jacekowski> librxsupport is already the newest version.
Jan 23 15:56:21 <alterego> 0.2.0 ?
Jan 23 15:56:24 <MohammadAG> doh, what's Floating point exception?
Jan 23 15:56:39 <jacekowski> ii  librxsupport                                        0.2.0-1
Jan 23 15:56:45 <jacekowski> MohammadAG: divide by zero
Jan 23 15:57:00 <jacekowski> and couple others
Jan 23 15:57:08 <jacekowski> but in 99% of cases it's divide by 0
Jan 23 15:57:16 <kerio> SIGFPE
Jan 23 15:57:29 <MohammadAG> I'm pretty sure it's not division by 0
Jan 23 15:57:31 <MohammadAG>     if(ui->trackLengthLabel->text() != "00:00" || ui->trackLengthLabel->text() != "--:--") {
Jan 23 15:57:31 <MohammadAG>         int length = QTime::fromString(ui->trackLengthLabel->text()).second();
Jan 23 15:57:32 <MohammadAG>         int percentage = (position / length)*100;
Jan 23 15:57:32 <MohammadAG>         ui->songProgress->setValue(percentage);
Jan 23 15:58:09 <alterego> jacekowski: and what about the versions of columbus and libcolumbus?
Jan 23 15:58:19 <MohammadAG> oh well
Jan 23 15:58:23 * alterego should have just kept everything as one package .. :D
Jan 23 15:58:24 * MohammadAG adds if(length != 0)
Jan 23 15:58:25 <jacekowski> 16:57 < MohammadAG>         int percentage = (position / length)*100;
Jan 23 15:59:10 <jacekowski> ii  libcolumbus                                         0.9.3-1
Jan 23 15:59:14 <jacekowski> ii  columbus-plugins-core                               0.9.0-2
Jan 23 15:59:20 <jacekowski> ii  columbus                                            0.9.3-1
Jan 23 15:59:55 <alterego> Weird, that should all be fine.
Jan 23 16:00:06 <alterego> Run ldconfig and try running it again.
Jan 23 16:00:13 <jacekowski> it may be messed up since i was playing with that plugn problem
Jan 23 16:00:26 <alterego> Hrm, maybe.
Jan 23 16:00:45 <alterego> Yeah, uninstall columbus, libcolumbus, columbus-plugins-core and librxsupport.
Jan 23 16:00:54 <alterego> Then make sure there's nothing left under /opt/usr
Jan 23 16:00:59 <alterego> Then reinstall :)
Jan 23 16:02:48 <jacekowski> nah
Jan 23 16:02:51 <jacekowski> still broken
Jan 23 16:03:02 <jacekowski> unless
Jan 23 16:03:09 <alterego> IS there something in your home directory?
Jan 23 16:03:19 <jacekowski> loads of stuff
Jan 23 16:03:27 <alterego> Any of the columbus libs or sometthing.
Jan 23 16:03:52 <jacekowski> hmm, old librxsupport
Jan 23 16:03:59 <alterego> There you go then.
Jan 23 16:04:06 <jacekowski> it's not overwriting old librs
Jan 23 16:04:09 <jacekowski> libs*
Jan 23 16:04:11 <alterego> What does ldd /opt/usr/bin/columbus do?
Jan 23 16:04:14 <jacekowski> when upgrading
Jan 23 16:04:16 <alterego> Oh,
Jan 23 16:04:29 <jacekowski>         librxsupport.so.1 => /usr/lib/librxsupport.so.1 (0x40025000)
Jan 23 16:04:35 <jacekowski> but that file was olde
Jan 23 16:04:36 <alterego> Hah
Jan 23 16:04:36 <jacekowski> older
Jan 23 16:04:41 <alterego> Exactly.
Jan 23 16:04:44 <alterego> I never installed to /usr/lib
Jan 23 16:04:48 <alterego> you must have put it there.
Jan 23 16:05:00 <jacekowski> i have button in middle of screen
Jan 23 16:05:09 <jacekowski> on startup
Jan 23 16:05:13 <alterego> Right, known problem :P
Jan 23 16:05:17 <jacekowski> after i pressed it onceit moved to corner
Jan 23 16:05:17 <alterego> At least it runs
Jan 23 16:05:25 <alterego> Yeah, that's a known minor bug
Jan 23 16:05:41 <alterego> Something to do with orientation and my stupid but pretty animations.
Jan 23 16:12:56 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 23 16:18:14 <jacekowski> btw. have anybody used marble with that offline routing?
Jan 23 16:18:26 <jacekowski> or nobody is patient enough to let it finish routing?
Jan 23 16:18:53 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 16:19:08 <alterego> I've not used the app at all, I heard it was just awefully slow at everything.
Jan 23 16:19:47 <jacekowski> well, marble itself looks little bit faster
Jan 23 16:20:10 <jacekowski> but it's calculating 20 miles long route from one place to another for like 10 minutes now
Jan 23 16:21:13 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 16:21:39 <jacekowski> and it's still routing
Jan 23 16:23:08 <alterego> Think I might setup my own autobuilder/repository
Jan 23 16:24:02 <jacekowski> i have my own autobuilder
Jan 23 16:24:12 <jacekowski> it's pain to setup
Jan 23 16:24:20 <jacekowski> and it's even worse if you are on 64bit
Jan 23 16:24:29 <alterego> Hrm
Jan 23 16:24:42 <alterego> I was thinking just a few scripts that kind of do what I want.
Jan 23 16:24:51 <alterego> Nothing as extravagant as what extras is.
Jan 23 16:25:03 <jacekowski> you can use my autobuilder if you want to
Jan 23 16:25:16 <alterego> I need something local tbh :)
Jan 23 16:25:31 <alterego> Thanks for the offer though
Jan 23 16:26:36 <MohammadAG> which package is "file" part of?
Jan 23 16:26:49 <alterego> file
Jan 23 16:26:57 <alterego> Unless it's the busybox version :P
Jan 23 16:27:13 <MohammadAG> there's no bb version apparently :p
Jan 23 16:27:24 <BCMM_> they named that utility just to male conversations sound stupid, didn't they?
Jan 23 16:27:25 * MohammadAG renames BusyBox to /b/
Jan 23 16:27:33 <BCMM_> make, rather
Jan 23 16:50:32 <alterego> Hrm ..
Jan 23 16:55:12 * alterego makes a bacon sammich
Jan 23 16:58:45 <pupnik> salut, mes amis!
Jan 23 17:23:42 <SpeedEvil> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10163
Jan 23 17:23:44 <povbot> Bug 10163: GPS does not automatically set time of device.
Jan 23 17:37:07 <alterego> SpeedEvil: That's a bug?
Jan 23 17:38:39 <SpeedEvil> If the carrier does not broadcast time correctly, yes.
Jan 23 17:39:00 <alterego> O_o
Jan 23 17:40:18 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: :D
Jan 23 17:40:32 <alterego> Kind of what we predicted.
Jan 23 17:40:40 <DocScrutinizer> exactly
Jan 23 17:40:51 <alterego> Right time frame aswell.
Jan 23 17:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> also time span til failure matches
Jan 23 17:41:04 <alterego> I'm suprised it's not a _little_ bit sooner but .. :)
Jan 23 17:41:05 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Jan 23 17:41:25 <ponyofdeath> hi, is there a way to change the fmms notification from email back to sms?
Jan 23 17:41:48 <javispedro> nokia won't do anything
Jan 23 17:41:57 <javispedro> they will probably honor the warranty
Jan 23 17:42:06 <javispedro> not because of benevolence but out of pure ignorance
Jan 23 17:42:10 <alterego> Yes
Jan 23 17:42:12 <DocScrutinizer> I'm afraid they do javispedro
Jan 23 17:42:13 <alterego> Indeed.
Jan 23 17:42:35 <javispedro> at least on Europe I've never had to put any fight about warrantly claims like many stories I've read overseas
Jan 23 17:42:45 <javispedro> (note overseas includes UK for some reason =) )
Jan 23 17:42:45 <alterego> Then we can have a load of "Nokia replaced my fried N900 because I'm an idiot OC junky, so I'm going to do it again!"
Jan 23 17:43:21 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Jan 23 17:43:28 <javispedro> very true alterego
Jan 23 17:43:29 <javispedro> in fact
Jan 23 17:43:41 <javispedro> if you want to scare potential overclockers it would be best not to single out this story
Jan 23 17:44:02 <DocScrutinizer> single out?
Jan 23 17:44:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~dict single out
Jan 23 17:44:12 <infobot> Dictionary 'single out' (2): treat differently on the basis of sex or race  ;; select from a group; "She was singled out for her outstanding performance".
Jan 23 17:44:17 <javispedro> as they now will believe there was only _one_ proof of crippled n900 from all the n900 that are overclocked
Jan 23 17:45:06 <alterego> That's if they even believe, there have been so many warranty claims and I doubt the OC'rs that have already needed to make claims would blame OC'ing
Jan 23 17:45:21 <alterego> We've had a lot of people come in here with hardware issues that could be attributed to OC'ing
Jan 23 17:45:45 <DocScrutinizer> and not many of them will admit OC
Jan 23 17:46:01 <alterego> Exactly
Jan 23 17:46:32 <alterego> I think it's quite funny this guy "I have absolutely no backup of my data"
Jan 23 17:46:43 <alterego> Massive risk taker O_O
Jan 23 17:46:59 <alterego> I don't OC and I keep backups up-to-date ..
Jan 23 17:47:10 <alterego> At the very least backup onto a freakin' micro sd ..
Jan 23 17:47:29 <alterego> (using the backup app)
Jan 23 17:48:13 <DocScrutinizer> well, I guess there's been a reason for secret project HAM-performance implemenred on Nokia SSU servers
Jan 23 17:48:31 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Jan 23 17:48:40 <javispedro> uh?
Jan 23 17:48:53 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 17:48:59 <javispedro> btw now eldar says n9's been cancelled
Jan 23 17:49:18 <alterego> javispedro: I think it's a joke that, he's saying: ham is badly slow, unless you overclock ;)
Jan 23 17:49:20 <korhojoa_> ahh, it's that epic oc fatality
Jan 23 17:49:26 <javispedro> from all the whacky stories he's been throwing out lately this is the one I could believe most yet still in the wacky territory ;)
Jan 23 17:49:27 <korhojoa_> i saw that earlier today
Jan 23 17:49:29 <alterego> So those users that don't complain ham is slow, are obviously OCing :D
Jan 23 17:49:31 <DocScrutinizer> sure, until they found a way to forbid OC
Jan 23 17:49:45 <javispedro> alterego: hey! I don't complain ham is slow.
Jan 23 17:49:55 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I've heard a lot of rumours about the cancellation of harmattan, this would be related to that ..
Jan 23 17:49:59 <korhojoa_> and i was about to post just after he posted it first "ah, haha. you got it locked at 950 overnight, and it died? lol :D"
Jan 23 17:50:08 <korhojoa_> i didn't though. thought it'd have been too mean
Jan 23 17:50:13 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: of course
Jan 23 17:50:19 <alterego> tbh, the hardware is a year old by now.
Jan 23 17:50:30 <alterego> And they really want to make a splash with meego.
Jan 23 17:50:31 <DocScrutinizer> even eldar might be right every once in a while
Jan 23 17:50:54 <alterego> otoh, there was a reported sighting of an N9 on the channel on Thursday.
Jan 23 17:50:59 <alterego> Remember? :)
Jan 23 17:51:16 <alterego> And with MWC around the corner .. Who knows ..
Jan 23 17:51:53 <DocScrutinizer> (make a splash) and meego (even HE it seems) is never going to outperform maemo, so they don't want to ship it with anything less than dual core 1.5GHz, with a 4500mAh bat
Jan 23 17:52:09 <javispedro> that's nice!
Jan 23 17:52:24 <ShadowJK> Or the google way of suspending apps when screen is off
Jan 23 17:52:36 <javispedro> then I'll install FREEDOS FOR ARM on it, the processor will be asleep 99,9% of the time and I will get a frking phone with years battery life!
Jan 23 17:52:56 <alterego> That makulkar fellow bleating out having an RM-680 device he was attempting to use scratchbox with makes me think it's possible it's being thrown out as a dev device
Jan 23 17:53:00 <alterego> Or they're ramping up for MWC :D
Jan 23 17:53:21 <alterego> This is the first time we've ever heard of this project possibly being axed though ..
Jan 23 17:53:50 <javispedro> protos are out there since long ago
Jan 23 17:54:31 <alterego> Sure
Jan 23 17:54:45 <alterego> Well, are you tatlking proto or dev boards ..
Jan 23 17:55:25 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, mohammediaplayer can play music now :p
Jan 23 17:55:35 <javispedro> what's the difference between a proto and a dev board with a screen ;)
Jan 23 17:56:21 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: congrats
Jan 23 17:56:27 <alterego> One looks like the finished product, imo :P
Jan 23 17:56:32 <javispedro> ah.
Jan 23 17:56:48 <javispedro> alterego: then, the latter.
Jan 23 17:57:40 <alterego> Also, I'm pretty sure dev boards aren't referenced with RM ..
Jan 23 17:57:54 <alterego> As RM is what Nokia use for mobile phone devices.
Jan 23 17:58:05 <alterego> Like BT for headsets and CA for cables.
Jan 23 17:58:13 <alterego> RX for black sheep internet tablets :)
Jan 23 17:58:43 <DocScrutinizer> maaahahaa
Jan 23 17:59:12 <GAN900> Well, just a few weeks now.
Jan 23 17:59:22 <GAN900> Then we can all laugh at the Nokia fail.
Jan 23 17:59:38 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder who's going to sponsor my trip to Barcelona
Jan 23 17:59:39 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, thanks :D
Jan 23 17:59:40 <javispedro> alterego: what I mean by proto is actual device, ugly chassis.
Jan 23 17:59:40 <alterego> tbh, I don't care.
Jan 23 17:59:56 <alterego> (about Nokia fail that is)
Jan 23 18:00:06 <alterego> Whatever I get next will be what I get next :)
Jan 23 18:00:19 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, another thing, startup time is less than that of the stock player ;)
Jan 23 18:00:27 <alterego> The N900 has the potential to last me for up-to two years imo
Jan 23 18:00:29 <GAN900> alterego, a very resigned sounding answer. :P
Jan 23 18:00:30 <javispedro> GAN900: IMO the fail would be more silence =)
Jan 23 18:00:43 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: does it work without tracker?
Jan 23 18:00:44 <alterego> GAN900: I've never been a fan boy :P
Jan 23 18:01:03 <alterego> GAN900: it's not like I go out there and scream Nokia for Nokia, or scream Nokia from my blog
Jan 23 18:01:20 <alterego> I've been happy with them in the past, we'll see what the future brings :)
Jan 23 18:01:27 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, not yet :P
Jan 23 18:01:36 <DocScrutinizer> then SCREW IT
Jan 23 18:01:40 <alterego> If I'm not happy, I'll buy Android and install MeeGo on it.
Jan 23 18:01:52 <alterego> It's more about capabilities for me now :)
Jan 23 18:01:58 <GAN900> alterego, these days they're the only thing resembling an FOSS product in mobile devices, though.
Jan 23 18:02:20 <alterego> GAN900: yes, and hopefully that'll stayt.
Jan 23 18:02:37 <alterego> GAN900: things can only get better, it's not like they're getting worse.
Jan 23 18:02:44 <javispedro> oh...
Jan 23 18:02:50 <javispedro> don't get us started :)
Jan 23 18:02:53 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I said yet
Jan 23 18:03:11 <DocScrutinizer> k, then GOOOO moh, GOOO!
Jan 23 18:03:17 <MohammadAG> :p
Jan 23 18:03:26 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 18:03:35 <MohammadAG> it's more than an oversized widget now
Jan 23 18:03:49 <alterego> I'm pissed Quim hasn't replied to the email I sent him almost three weeks ago he said he'd reply to ..
Jan 23 18:04:02 <MohammadAG> but I broke the indicator somehow
Jan 23 18:04:06 <MohammadAG> and I can't figure out how
Jan 23 18:04:08 <alterego> A simple "No" would be nice, even though he seemed to say "yes" before.
Jan 23 18:04:28 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: things not getting worse? You're not talking about Nokia's FOSS OS!
Jan 23 18:04:50 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: are more or less things open now than before? (platform not applications)
Jan 23 18:05:08 <MohammadAG> alterego, still optimistic about MeeGo? :)
Jan 23 18:05:29 <alterego> Sure,
Jan 23 18:05:46 <alterego> But I'm an optimistic person, I will continue to work where I like working.
Jan 23 18:06:00 <alterego> I'm not in things for the money, it'd be nice, but I'm not.
Jan 23 18:06:08 <alterego> I do this stuff because it interests me.
Jan 23 18:06:16 <DocScrutinizer> is the OS better tailored and siuted for mobile use and power conservation now? Or do we still see they're adapting a desktop centric concept to a 1000+afew mAh device
Jan 23 18:06:51 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: for the platform my answer clearly is: less open
Jan 23 18:06:56 <ShadowJK> power use is pretty damn low as long as you don't leave shit running :P
Jan 23 18:07:12 * javispedro ponders
Jan 23 18:07:19 <javispedro> being desktop centric is exactly why I have Maemo...
Jan 23 18:07:26 <DocScrutinizer> haha, yeah such as polling the accel for orientation
Jan 23 18:07:29 <alterego> Yeah, the reason we're capable of running this kind of software on a device for a reasonible amount of time, is because processors and power usage and batteries are meeting those demands.
Jan 23 18:07:57 <alterego> Do you have a problem with the life of the N900 as far as battery power is concerned?
Jan 23 18:08:11 <ShadowJK> Fennec is stupid and polls accel constantly.. but the default apps do stop polling accel when screen is off
Jan 23 18:08:44 <DocScrutinizer> c'mon, 3/4 of meego devels not even think about requirements of mobile devices
Jan 23 18:09:20 <alterego> Good jobs those devels are working on netbook and IVI then :P
Jan 23 18:09:24 <DocScrutinizer> they are more conserned about "is it upstream" than to learn what IRQ-driven means
Jan 23 18:09:46 <alterego> You're talking about hardware.
Jan 23 18:09:54 <ShadowJK> Also there's no PM or DVFS for Omap3 in MeeGo :-)
Jan 23 18:10:08 <DocScrutinizer> well, I thought kernel is about hw
Jan 23 18:10:16 <DocScrutinizer> and middleware is about hw
Jan 23 18:10:17 <javispedro> hmpf.
Jan 23 18:10:38 <DocScrutinizer> at least on a mobile device
Jan 23 18:10:41 * javispedro disagrees here, I prefer the upstream approach much :)
Jan 23 18:11:03 <trx> what is the endianness on n900?
Jan 23 18:11:07 <ShadowJK> little endian
Jan 23 18:11:17 <trx> great
Jan 23 18:11:20 <trx> thank you
Jan 23 18:11:20 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: they can only develop meego on the devices they have.
Jan 23 18:11:37 <DocScrutinizer> the upstream approach is lame, as it will never result in anything tailored for mobile usage, if consequently followed
Jan 23 18:11:52 <alterego> And most meego handset development seems to be done on two devices N900 and that moorestown handset.
Jan 23 18:12:00 <ShadowJK> aava
Jan 23 18:12:05 <wmarone> I would hope that downstream users of meego would tailor their kernel appropriately
Jan 23 18:12:15 <alterego> Are you saying they should get things working and working well with what they have, or develop a load more hardware?
Jan 23 18:12:33 <javispedro> I'm _willing_ to sacrifice some of the (usually stupidly called) "mobile usage patterns" for a upstreamed kernel.
Jan 23 18:12:33 <ShadowJK> I like the goal of the upstream thing, to make sure that stuff isn't left bitrotting, like the ancient N8x0 kernel or our current N900 kernel...
Jan 23 18:12:45 <alterego> MeeGo developers aren't to blame for Nokia or Aava hardware designers..
Jan 23 18:12:47 <trx> ShadowJK and what is bit order?
Jan 23 18:12:57 <trx> reversed or "in order"?
Jan 23 18:13:02 <DocScrutinizer> tbh for OS I fail to see what'S the whole point of ""developing"" as long as you blindly follow upstream
Jan 23 18:13:24 <DocScrutinizer> the goal is to push new thing upstream, not to brainlessly follow
Jan 23 18:13:36 <javispedro> that is true. and meego devs push things upstream.
Jan 23 18:13:47 <ShadowJK> DocScrutinizer, it's not about following upstream, it's about getting powersaving and scalability included in upstream, so that when upstream releases a new version you don't have to redo everything from scratch
Jan 23 18:13:48 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I think if you were to hang around watching a lot of what MeeGo is doing, patches etc, you'd see that your criticism isn't that well placed.
Jan 23 18:13:58 <javispedro> latest example I have in mind: who fixed the lenovo clickpad thing upstream? @meego.com guy.
Jan 23 18:14:03 <alterego> They're doing things and trying to do them properly. If you have issues you should held by complaining.
Jan 23 18:14:04 <javispedro> etc. etc.
Jan 23 18:14:09 <alterego> Offering your opinions and good argument.
Jan 23 18:14:19 <ShadowJK> Besides, that new kernel policy thing is less strict about upstream, so it might just end up bitrotting on 2.6.35 or 2.6.37 anyway :P
Jan 23 18:14:25 <ShadowJK> trx, no idea really
Jan 23 18:14:39 <trx> ok
Jan 23 18:15:04 <ShadowJK> Treat it like x86 with strict alignment requirements?
Jan 23 18:15:30 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: when I come with detailed analysis of kernel drivers and pointing at terribly odd concept of what's currently used in meego, compared to nice things in maemo, guess what's the answer... ""but IS IT UPSTREAM??""
Jan 23 18:15:47 <MohammadAG> lol @ guy saying CPUs getting fried is rare
Jan 23 18:16:14 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: nice things in maemo like dpkg? :)
Jan 23 18:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> fsck
Jan 23 18:16:29 <ShadowJK> They're obviously asking you if you've sent your patch to upstream and what response you got from upstream :P
Jan 23 18:16:53 <trx> yeah, i will treat it like x86
Jan 23 18:17:14 <javispedro> and tbh, I agree with the "IS IT UPSTREAM RULE?"
Jan 23 18:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> MY patch??? meh, I'm feeling like going feeling pissed of even *this* discussion
Jan 23 18:17:56 <javispedro> upstream is slow though, so for commercial vendors you might rewrite that to "DOES IT STAND REASONABLE CHANGE TO ENTER UPSTREAM IN THE NEAR FUTURE?"
Jan 23 18:18:03 <javispedro> *CHANCE
Jan 23 18:18:03 <MohammadAG> upstream's a joke
Jan 23 18:18:13 <alterego> javispedro: that's mostly how we work anyway :)
Jan 23 18:18:23 <MohammadAG> I sent a patch to Qt about segfaults on launch, no reply yet, repository's dead
Jan 23 18:18:33 <MohammadAG> bug's dead
Jan 23 18:18:37 <alterego> That was maemo specific no?
Jan 23 18:18:38 <javispedro> Qt is another story, we're talking about competent developers here =)
Jan 23 18:18:43 <javispedro> </bad joke>
Jan 23 18:19:04 <MohammadAG> alterego, do I care? It said Code once deploy everywhere
Jan 23 18:19:21 <MohammadAG> Bug and upstream handling should be the same across all platforms
Jan 23 18:19:45 <MohammadAG> the bug's fixed, and it says incomplete info
Jan 23 18:19:46 <alterego> Even dead ones?
Jan 23 18:20:10 <MohammadAG> usually, you pull the plug on old software when new one arrives
Jan 23 18:20:13 <javispedro> MohammadAG: you gave only one month's time?
Jan 23 18:20:25 <MohammadAG> take shitty microsoft for example
Jan 23 18:20:33 <MohammadAG> they still support XP
Jan 23 18:20:58 * javispedro is sick of all the preenv pirates, I wish I could punch them all in the face via HTTP.
Jan 23 18:21:15 <alterego> javispedro: PUSH /punch.html
Jan 23 18:21:17 <MohammadAG> meh, slap em via P2P
Jan 23 18:21:30 <alterego> s/PUSH/PUT/
Jan 23 18:21:31 <infobot> alterego meant: javispedro: PUT /punch.html
Jan 23 18:21:57 * MohammadAG sighs
Jan 23 18:22:13 <DocScrutinizer> lis3lv02 kernel driver is POLLING. sensorfw of course and inevitably is POLLING. There's a nice, working IRQ driven driver lis302dl in maemo, and you could architect the sensorfw in a correct way if you were wiling to push this upstream or simply adopt it for meego. But MEH
Jan 23 18:22:16 <MohammadAG> how hard is it click a damn app and install it
Jan 23 18:22:28 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, still want me to remove the kernel-power pull in ? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68824
Jan 23 18:22:44 <DocScrutinizer> ehh?
Jan 23 18:23:22 * pupnik thinks DocScrutinizer should be listened to on this polling thing
Jan 23 18:23:56 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: aah, yes, I still think it's better not to rdepend on it
Jan 23 18:24:27 <pupnik> javispedro: has there been any interest from the publisher for official maemo / preenv support and downloads?
Jan 23 18:25:19 <javispedro> pupnik: not a single one more.
Jan 23 18:25:56 <alterego> Anyway, wtf is eldar?
Jan 23 18:26:34 <MohammadAG> alterego, a god of leaks
Jan 23 18:26:46 <MohammadAG> he gets most devices early
Jan 23 18:26:47 <alterego> Any turn out to be true?}
Jan 23 18:26:53 <MohammadAG> well
Jan 23 18:26:59 <MohammadAG> he said the N97 was good, and the N900 was crap
Jan 23 18:27:01 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: what is _a_ eldar
Jan 23 18:27:04 <pupnik> hahahahahah
Jan 23 18:27:11 <MohammadAG> so figure
Jan 23 18:27:21 <alterego> DocScrutinizer: I meant it as "who the fsck" :P
Jan 23 18:27:34 <DocScrutinizer> nonono
Jan 23 18:27:41 <alterego> wewewe
Jan 23 18:28:15 <DocScrutinizer> what, not who
Jan 23 18:28:16 <MohammadAG> he started trolling Nokia
Jan 23 18:28:25 <MohammadAG> post N900 afaik
Jan 23 18:28:35 <alterego> So, you're guessing at what I meant.
Jan 23 18:28:39 <MohammadAG> and he reviewed the N8 and said it was shit
Jan 23 18:28:39 <alterego> But I know what I meant.
Jan 23 18:28:45 <alterego> Don't tell me what I meant
Jan 23 18:28:46 <MohammadAG> one day before Nokia announced it
Jan 23 18:29:00 <MohammadAG> they even requested an apology as it affected launch, his review was negative
Jan 23 18:29:26 <MohammadAG> http://conversations.nokia.com/2010/04/27/one-of-our-children-is-missing/
Jan 23 18:29:33 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: I'm just saying it's as wrong as "who is water"
Jan 23 18:29:51 <ShadowJK> Before the real launch or before the 7 months "oops maybe we should fix bugs first" prelaunch?
Jan 23 18:30:00 <alterego> You don't think "Who the fuck is eldar" makes sense?
Jan 23 18:30:51 <wmarone> nice, ubuntu vm locked up
Jan 23 18:31:16 <MohammadAG> Frankly, we pride ourselves on trust at Nokia, and someone has greatly betrayed that. <-- hint Nokia, mole still exists :P
Jan 23 18:31:31 <alterego> Who said that?
Jan 23 18:31:40 <MohammadAG> Nokia
Jan 23 18:31:40 <andre__> see URL link from MohammadAG.
Jan 23 18:31:44 <MohammadAG> see the link I posted
Jan 23 18:31:55 <alterego> Oh, conversations.
Jan 23 18:32:01 <alterego> That's last year.
Jan 23 18:32:29 <MohammadAG> you were asking who eldar was
Jan 23 18:32:40 <alterego> Oh, he leaked the N8 back then?
Jan 23 18:32:45 <alterego> Saying it was crap didn't he?
Jan 23 18:33:17 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-01-23 19:28:29] <MohammadAG> and he reviewed the N8 and said it was shit
Jan 23 18:33:37 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 18:33:41 <MohammadAG> alterego, yes
Jan 23 18:33:42 <alterego> I'm reading something else :P
Jan 23 18:34:07 <MohammadAG> his opinion's considered a lot on symbian forums
Jan 23 18:34:16 <MohammadAG> due to his previously good reputation
Jan 23 18:34:30 <alterego> Hrmm
Jan 23 18:34:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, before you say anything, the N8's epic, hardware-wise at least
Jan 23 18:34:57 <alterego> It's not to bad software either.
Jan 23 18:35:01 <alterego> Seems responsive and usable ..
Jan 23 18:35:04 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: couln't you bash that USB thread starter and point him to the original thrrad?
Jan 23 18:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I wasn't going to say anything N8 related
Jan 23 18:35:57 <MohammadAG> ah
Jan 23 18:35:59 <MohammadAG> that was @ alterego
Jan 23 18:36:08 <MohammadAG> I thought you were quoting + commenting, much like I do :P
Jan 23 18:39:35 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (I thought you were quoting + commenting,...) When I do this, I'm putting quote in brackets. You should know my style by now
Jan 23 18:40:50 <kaltsi> MohammadAG: thanks for hostmode-gui, I got my camera connected to n900 with the help of it :)
Jan 23 18:41:02 <MohammadAG> :D yw
Jan 23 18:41:15 * MohammadAG thanks PaulFertser for patches
Jan 23 18:41:29 <kaltsi> made a small timelapse video (hostmode-gui is there too) :) http://www.flickr.com/photos/kaltsi/5381150873/
Jan 23 18:41:38 <ShadowJK> hm
Jan 23 18:41:43 * ShadowJK wonders what happened to C6-01
Jan 23 18:43:34 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: not going to be nitpicking, but kernel patches been a coproduction of Paul and me
Jan 23 18:44:13 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, and you started the project, don't forget that
Jan 23 18:46:12 * FauxFaux ponders finally giving in and installing pr1.3; bets on a new version being announced immediately afterwards?
Jan 23 18:47:44 <MohammadAG> yes
Jan 23 18:47:48 <MohammadAG> PR1.3.3.7-1!
Jan 23 18:47:57 <MohammadAG> (Community SSU)
Jan 23 18:47:58 <FauxFaux> Bastards!
Jan 23 18:49:00 <MohammadAG> kaltsi, cool vid :D
Jan 23 18:49:03 <Jaffa> FauxFaux: However, having PR1.3 is a pre-req ;-)
Jan 23 18:50:01 <FauxFaux> It's still only one round of actually having to do backups, though. ;)
Jan 23 18:55:06 <Jaffa> FauxFaux: Correct. Well, depending on how much you trust the testing version of the CSSU ;-)
Jan 23 18:55:10 * alterego ponders how to do database migration.
Jan 23 18:55:20 <alterego> I could just handle upgrades.
Jan 23 18:55:31 <Jaffa> What's eldar's latest rumour? That RM-680 is scrapped?
Jan 23 18:55:33 <alterego> Without the ability to roll back on earlier versions of software.
Jan 23 19:04:02 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, yup
Jan 23 19:04:53 <alterego> Hrm, or maybe I should do this internally in the application.
Jan 23 19:06:38 <MohammadAG> I'm so donating to this guy's hard work on his script http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68796
Jan 23 19:07:09 <GAN900> I'll laugh if it turns out to be true.
Jan 23 19:07:59 <GAN900> When is somebody going to ask Nokia the hard questions about their complete lack of consistent migration from generation to generation. . . .
Jan 23 19:08:22 <MohammadAG> NEVAR!
Jan 23 19:14:30 <Firzen|2> hello
Jan 23 19:15:41 <javispedro> "generation? we had a previous generation product? impossible!!!"
Jan 23 19:15:53 <javispedro> they fired the entire previous generation team either way =)
Jan 23 19:17:01 <Firzen|2> recently I installed Maemo SDK with Scratchbox and it finally works good, but I also need to compile my Qt-based applications..
Jan 23 19:18:42 <Firzen|2> and I haven't find any HOWTO.. only some very bad links with garbage :-/
Jan 23 19:18:51 <Firzen|2> can somebody help me? :D
Jan 23 19:24:21 <iDont> Epic OC fatality :P?
Jan 23 19:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: LMAO
Jan 23 19:34:30 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: are you looking for a howto for the whole process? or something in particular?
Jan 23 19:35:25 <Firzen|2> MrBawb: hi, whole process please
Jan 23 19:35:44 <Firzen|2> MrBawb: I am really newbie :D
Jan 23 19:35:55 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, yep, it's an awesome script, I know
Jan 23 19:36:26 <Jaffa> MohammadAG: DocScrutinizer: Don't be mean. Everyone has to start somewhere.
Jan 23 19:36:44 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: ah. I think nokia had some docs, but I don't know how helpful they are.  Do you have code that works on another platform?
Jan 23 19:36:58 <MohammadAG> Jaffa, I know how it is for someone to start, I was a noob a year ago
Jan 23 19:37:06 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: that's why I didn't answer to the thread on tmo
Jan 23 19:37:15 <Jaffa> DocScrutinizer: Indeed :-)
Jan 23 19:37:15 <MohammadAG> but copyrighting a script that moves from mydocs to /usr/bin? :/
Jan 23 19:38:09 <DocScrutinizer> Jaffa: anyway I'm temped to ask if it's Lukas, the 11yo stepson if my friend. He started shellscripting 4 weeks ago, and was really excited about it
Jan 23 19:38:09 * MohammadAG slaps self for being an asshole
Jan 23 19:38:14 <Firzen|2> MrBawb: yes, I have lots of working programs here I only need some way how to compile them for Maemo
Jan 23 19:39:14 <MohammadAG> Firzen|2:
Jan 23 19:39:36 <MohammadAG> ~maemosdk
Jan 23 19:39:37 <infobot> maemosdk is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation
Jan 23 19:42:10 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: ??
Jan 23 19:43:20 <MohammadAG> link to the SDK, you need it to compile for maemo ^
Jan 23 19:43:23 <yacc> Does dbus-scripts automatically pick up changed scripts?
Jan 23 19:43:57 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: I already have Maemo SDK
Jan 23 19:44:10 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: and sb ..
Jan 23 19:45:51 <DocScrutinizer> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=926845#post926845  MUHAHAHA, sure, "just run a RAM checker" - on a device that's so fired fsckdup it doesn't even boot anymore
Jan 23 19:46:06 <DocScrutinizer> s/fired/fried/.
Jan 23 19:46:11 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, yeah, mentioned him above
Jan 23 19:46:21 <javispedro> =)
Jan 23 19:46:26 <MohammadAG> he also mentions some rule, 69 or 80:20 or whatever
Jan 23 19:46:33 <javispedro> also, isn't the ram on the same package
Jan 23 19:47:14 <MohammadAG> yeah, forgot about that
Jan 23 19:47:23 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: well, the compiler in the scratchbox just makes binaries for whatever target it is set to
Jan 23 19:47:24 <MohammadAG> maybe we should port memtestx86
Jan 23 19:47:54 <javispedro> N9 to have holographic calls
Jan 23 19:48:12 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: so your compile process shouldn't change much if at all
Jan 23 19:48:33 <Firzen|2> MrBawb: no.. Qt libaries are just missing or damaged I don't know.. simple programs can be compilled but qt-based not
Jan 23 19:49:36 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: you might just be missing the qt libraries or development package
Jan 23 19:50:27 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: are you familiar with apt-get?
Jan 23 19:51:00 <Firzen|2> MrBawb: yes.. I am trying now something :D
Jan 23 19:51:14 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: just make sure you run it inside the scratchbox
Jan 23 19:51:53 <Firzen|2> MrBawb: i am sure, because outside scratchbox it works :D
Jan 23 19:52:32 <MohammadAG> 7271384.3s lag o_O
Jan 23 19:52:58 <MohammadAG> apt-get install libqt4-dev
Jan 23 19:53:04 <MohammadAG> Firzen|2, ^
Jan 23 19:53:12 <MohammadAG> you might want to use fakeroot before that
Jan 23 19:53:49 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: "libqt4-dev is already the newest version."  .. but it really does not work
Jan 23 19:54:05 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: checked what console output memtest is using?
Jan 23 19:55:12 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, hmm, tty0 I guess
Jan 23 19:55:24 <MohammadAG> Firzen|2, compilation error is?
Jan 23 19:55:59 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (7271384.3s lag) Cesar sent you an IRC msg? :-P
Jan 23 19:56:31 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/MyDocs/trideni-build-desktop] > make
Jan 23 19:56:31 <Firzen|2> g++ -c -pipe -O2 -Wall -W -D_REENTRANT -DQT_NO_DEBUG -DQT_GUI_LIB -DQT_CORE_LIB -DQT_SHARED -I/usr/share/qt4/mkspecs/linux-g++ -I../trideni -I/usr/include/qt4/QtCore -I/usr/include/qt4/QtGui -I/usr/include/qt4 -I. -I. -I../trideni -I. -o main.o ../trideni/main.cpp
Jan 23 19:56:31 <Firzen|2> In file included from ../trideni/main.cpp:2:
Jan 23 19:56:35 <MohammadAG> it's 7271382.8s now, improvements!
Jan 23 19:57:14 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: "class MainWindow' has no member named 'show'"  I really don't understand this.. it is just impossible :D
Jan 23 19:57:33 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: I think that whole scratchbox is sick :-)
Jan 23 19:57:34 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, cool. still 82 days
Jan 23 19:57:55 <MohammadAG> scratchbox is sick, but all Qt apps compile in it for me
Jan 23 19:59:57 <Firzen|2> MohammadAG: and target FREMANTLE_ARMEL is ok?
Jan 23 20:00:08 <mikhas> Firzen|2, *Q*MainWindow
Jan 23 20:00:11 <MohammadAG> yea
Jan 23 20:00:39 <MrBawb> QMainWindow seems to have no show in this version
Jan 23 20:00:55 <MrBawb> actually, I didn't take parent classes into consideration
Jan 23 20:01:08 <MohammadAG> QMainWindow can't have no show
Jan 23 20:01:26 <MrBawb> ah, it's in qwidget
Jan 23 20:01:36 <MrBawb> <- hasn't used qt
Jan 23 20:02:47 <MrBawb> Firzen|2: is that the first error message?
Jan 23 20:03:17 <MrBawb> gotta go
Jan 23 20:03:55 <Firzen|2> MrBawb: no.. "QMainWindow: No such file or directory"  even stranger :D
Jan 23 20:04:08 <mikhas> #include <QtGui>
Jan 23 20:04:20 <mikhas> and also, #include <QtCore>
Jan 23 20:04:53 <Firzen|2> mikhas: it doesn't make sense .. it is generated by QtCreator
Jan 23 20:05:59 <lalalal> hi has anyone managed to watch youtube clips like you would on desktop pc?
Jan 23 20:06:04 <Firzen|2> mikhas: of course this does not work
Jan 23 20:08:23 <Firzen|2> and all versions seems good..
Jan 23 20:31:29 <DocScrutinizer> damn, what a bunch of idiots. I wonder if they also consider running their 2.8GHz Intel CPU at 7GHz
Jan 23 20:32:42 <DocScrutinizer> though I shouldn't say this - I'm the first to blame ingnorants for comparing ARM SoC to x86
Jan 23 20:32:52 <GAN900> Teehee
Jan 23 20:34:57 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, can I offer you some soothing kitten imagery to ease the soul's suffering? http://www.flickr.com/search/?q=kittens&m=tags :P
Jan 23 20:36:15 <pupnik> ty
Jan 23 20:36:33 <kerio> :3
Jan 23 20:36:54 <DocScrutinizer> aaah http://www.flickr.com/photos/elycefeliz/5380789718/ ""tuned to run with 6pound of beef plus 200g instant coffe per day""
Jan 23 20:37:57 <GAN900> What's the rotation shortcut?
Jan 23 20:38:17 <kerio> DocScrutinizer, GAN900: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9upTLWRZTfw
Jan 23 20:39:06 <MohammadAG> To view this video or group, please verify you are 18 or older by signing in or signing up. If you would instead prefer to avoid potentially inappropriate content, consider activating YouTube's Safety Mode.
Jan 23 20:39:16 <MohammadAG> why the fuck did I put my real age when I signed up
Jan 23 20:39:33 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Shortcuts_and_Gestures
Jan 23 20:39:58 <GAN900> microb is being a big baby
Jan 23 20:40:37 <DocScrutinizer> Ctrl + Shift + O    Turns on/off Portrait mode (Requires keyboard closed to work) **Incomplete Feature** (prior to PR 1.2)
Jan 23 20:42:21 <MohammadAG> I still want orientation lock
Jan 23 20:42:54 <kerio> i just pretend portrait doesn't exist
Jan 23 20:42:56 <kerio> it works great
Jan 23 20:45:59 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, even rtcom-call-ui can be locked to landscape :-)
Jan 23 20:54:53 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, not what I meant
Jan 23 20:54:56 <MohammadAG> the iPhone does it well
Jan 23 20:55:11 <MohammadAG> you tick orientation lock, it blocks portrait system wide
Jan 23 20:55:20 <MohammadAG> highly doable if mce was open
Jan 23 20:59:03 <pupnik> i should sell an egg-shaped knockoff phone called eiphone
Jan 23 21:04:59 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: too late afaik
Jan 23 21:10:37 <pupnik> wow, a 25mhz NeXTstation color that i was going to bid-on sold for 450 euro
Jan 23 21:13:20 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, wonder how much a cube would be
Jan 23 21:19:55 <pupnik> i loved the keyboards on them
Jan 23 21:20:25 <pupnik> but after being on a laptop so long, the full-travel keyboards are too clunky feeling
Jan 23 21:21:50 <trumee> Anybody has tried "Advanced Clock Plugin"?
Jan 23 21:22:34 <trumee> i was wondering whether it is possible to have two clocks in the Status menu showing different time zones
Jan 23 21:23:12 <trumee> i usually have two clocks on my kde desktop and was hoping to do the same on N900.
Jan 23 21:28:52 <RST38h> OMG THE DRAMA!
Jan 23 21:29:48 <alterego> trumee: it certainly is possible
Jan 23 21:30:04 <alterego> true queen beecon can do it I guess
Jan 23 21:30:52 <trumee> alterego: i want a second clock along with the first one. QBW will only show up in the desktop space
Jan 23 21:31:01 <RST38h> Eldar claims N9 has been cancelled, lemmings jump off the cliff
Jan 23 21:31:11 <alterego> RST38h: :d
Jan 23 21:31:30 <alterego> I thought he said RM 680 was cancelled
Jan 23 21:31:45 <alterego> Which may be the Dali device
Jan 23 21:31:51 <rm_work> ono, I'm cancelled?
Jan 23 21:31:59 <rm_work> oh, not me
Jan 23 21:32:03 <rm_work> good :P
Jan 23 21:32:04 <alterego> Wait, no Dali is something else
Jan 23 21:33:52 <GAN900> rm_work, no, you too.
Jan 23 21:33:58 <rm_work> damn T_T
Jan 23 21:34:16 * RST38h cancels rm_work with a huge postal timestamp
Jan 23 21:36:48 <timeless_xchat> gan900, how are you?
Jan 23 21:46:40 <RST38h> Oh well. Sleep.
Jan 23 21:46:47 <pupnik> cu RST38h
Jan 23 21:46:51 <GAN900> timeless_xchat, at work on a Sunday, being consumed by soul eaters.
Jan 23 21:46:55 <GAN900> RST38h, later.
Jan 23 21:47:12 <timeless_xchat> aww :(
Jan 23 21:47:23 <timeless_xchat> i wish your soul a speedy recovery
Jan 23 21:47:34 * timeless_xchat is returning from a wedding 
Jan 23 21:47:44 <RST38h> GAN900:firethrower helps/
Jan 23 21:47:55 <GAN900> On the bright side, there's a used superzoom that's in my price range. *g*
Jan 23 21:48:02 <GAN900> timeless_xchat, sounds exhausting.
Jan 23 21:48:11 <GAN900> RST38h, need a permit for that.
Jan 23 21:48:17 * lcuk raises a glass to timeless_xchat \o
Jan 23 21:48:21 <lcuk> did you have a good time?
Jan 23 21:49:50 <timeless_xchat> yeah, we were all very proud+happy
Jan 23 21:51:48 <lcuk> \o/ awesome
Jan 23 22:00:27 <trumee> nice box, http://digdilem.org/cooling/DSCF1165.JPG
Jan 23 22:04:18 <wmarone> friends of mine had an htpc set up so each part was dangling from fishing line
Jan 23 22:31:55 <pupnik> ebay: Oric-1 6502 microcomputer http://ln-s.net/8P_S
Jan 23 22:34:41 <MohammadAG> alterego, columbus is how many lines again?
Jan 23 22:36:49 <alterego> can't remember, I'd have to check.
Jan 23 22:37:03 <alterego> over 8k
Jan 23 22:37:20 <jacekowski> just do display couple pictures?
Jan 23 22:38:32 <MohammadAG> jacekowski, read the code, it does more :P
Jan 23 22:40:51 <MohammadAG> hmm
Jan 23 22:40:52 <MohammadAG> albanc,
Jan 23 22:40:58 <MohammadAG> alterego, *
Jan 23 22:40:58 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/columbus-0.9.3/src] > cat `find` 2>/dev/null | wc -l
Jan 23 22:40:58 <MohammadAG> 5020
Jan 23 22:42:02 <pupnik> whoah
Jan 23 22:44:57 <MohammadAG> alterego, hope you don't mind http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=926995&postcount=57
Jan 23 22:46:25 <alterego> Awww, thanks :)
Jan 23 22:46:41 <alterego> that doesn't even include the libs or plugins :P
Jan 23 22:47:16 <MohammadAG> ah
Jan 23 22:47:22 <MohammadAG> knew i forgot something
Jan 23 22:48:38 <alterego> It's okay, you got your point across and I appreciate the sentiment. :)
Jan 23 22:49:28 <pupnik> are there curved displays yet?  I want a linux+arm coffeecup
Jan 23 22:51:06 <alterego> Yes, there are
Jan 23 22:55:16 <alterego> Not sure how useful an arm powered mug would be though
Jan 23 22:55:17 <Pauly> hey what do u guys think is the most coolest app for fremantle?
Jan 23 22:55:26 <alterego> Columbus
Jan 23 22:55:58 <pupnik> alterego: some people would buy it based on the novelty of a computer-cup
Jan 23 22:56:08 <pupnik> run pacman in demo mode on it
Jan 23 22:56:19 <pupnik> picture slideshow etc
Jan 23 22:57:13 <MohammadAG> Mohammediaplayer
Jan 23 22:57:16 <alterego> Yeah, it'd have to be cost effective though
Jan 23 22:57:23 <Pauly> columbus seems cool
Jan 23 22:57:23 * MohammadAG sees eveyone mentioning their app
Jan 23 22:57:34 <MohammadAG> indeed
Jan 23 22:57:54 <alterego> It's gonna get a lot cooler
Jan 23 22:58:20 <Pauly> i just found the my-maemo.com
Jan 23 22:58:39 <alterego> After 1.0 that is, once all the features are stable the v2 road map is all about the coolness
Jan 23 22:58:44 <Pauly> does it have compass?
Jan 23 22:58:52 <alterego> my-maemo is the bain of my existence.
Jan 23 22:59:06 <MohammadAG> yes, gps based
Jan 23 22:59:13 <MohammadAG> what's "bain"?
Jan 23 22:59:40 <alterego> Yes, due to the absence of an inbuilt digi compass :(
Jan 23 22:59:50 <jacekowski> builtin
Jan 23 22:59:55 <jacekowski> inbuilt is incorrect
Jan 23 23:00:20 <johnx> MohammadAG, probably means 'bane'
Jan 23 23:00:20 <alterego> pfft
Jan 23 23:00:29 <alterego> Yes, that too
Jan 23 23:00:45 <johnx> but yeah builtin / inbuilt is just a English dialect thing AFAICT
Jan 23 23:00:47 <MohammadAG> what's bane?
Jan 23 23:00:47 <Pauly> wow so does the my maemo have diff apps then maemo.org repo?
Jan 23 23:00:49 <MohammadAG> xD
Jan 23 23:00:52 <pupnik> wish i could enable javascript for just one page (tab) in a browser
Jan 23 23:01:15 <MohammadAG> i hate my-maemo
Jan 23 23:01:31 <alterego> Pauly: it's just a review site, it catalogs apps from extras and testing and devel repos
Jan 23 23:01:36 <alterego> Maybe others'
Jan 23 23:01:40 <alterego> MohammadAG: me too
Jan 23 23:01:40 <MohammadAG> oh, that
Jan 23 23:01:51 <MohammadAG> so it links to devel?
Jan 23 23:01:56 <alterego> Yeah
Jan 23 23:02:17 <MohammadAG> it's what symbian brought you
Jan 23 23:02:23 <alterego> It's lame because I always get 1 review from a whining jap that can't use it.
Jan 23 23:02:28 <MohammadAG> besides me - damn that's cheesy
Jan 23 23:03:11 <MohammadAG> i hate it cause it's based on the concept that symbian has no central place for apps
Jan 23 23:03:24 <MohammadAG> that's a retarded concept for maemo, repos are there
Jan 23 23:03:27 <johnx> alterego, consider getting someone to do a Japanese translation? :D
Jan 23 23:03:42 <MohammadAG> and maemo.org has a rating system
Jan 23 23:03:55 <MohammadAG> lol johnx
Jan 23 23:04:09 <johnx> and the more disconnected review sites there are, the less useful they become
Jan 23 23:04:26 <MohammadAG> indeed
Jan 23 23:04:42 <MohammadAG> there's also that site for maemo warez
Jan 23 23:06:35 <DocScrutinizer> grr, shouldn't read the wl1251 pk inj thread. It always makes me want to kick or beat up assholes
Jan 23 23:06:38 <johnx> warez for linux. heh. I was always a bit confused about stuff like that, but I guess it's to make the windows script kiddies feel comfortable when they switch
Jan 23 23:11:10 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 23:13:51 <MohammadAG> alterego, are you rich?
Jan 23 23:13:58 <MohammadAG> Columbus is a project more big and more complex than mine and if they don't ask for donations...perhaps a reason exists (a sponsor? an university-research? a sand-box for develop a sellable product? they are rich from family? :P)
Jan 23 23:13:59 <jacekowski> i wish i would be rich
Jan 23 23:15:11 <pupnik> epson 50mhz 486 'Internet Tablet' on sale for ebay http://ln-s.net/8Pa-
Jan 23 23:15:21 <MohammadAG> alterego, the only explanation from his choices is that you're rich
Jan 23 23:15:31 <MohammadAG> that's why you're making columbus
Jan 23 23:15:37 <alterego> MohammadAG: I'm replying now ;)
Jan 23 23:15:58 <MohammadAG> alterego, k, bill gates
Jan 23 23:16:14 <MohammadAG> Tom Gates
Jan 23 23:16:19 <MohammadAG> doesn't sound too bad
Jan 23 23:17:09 <alterego> :)
Jan 23 23:21:59 <MohammadAG> isn't there also a big project on maemo that's free?
Jan 23 23:22:03 <MohammadAG> can't remember it
Jan 23 23:22:40 <alterego> There's loads of big projects, I doubt Columbus is that large compared to others tbh
Jan 23 23:22:50 <alterego> I bet maemo mapper is pretty large, for instance.
Jan 23 23:24:59 <MohammadAG> canola looks big
Jan 23 23:25:29 <alterego> Canola was funded by indt, (nokia r&d)
Jan 23 23:25:48 <alterego> It is FOSS though
Jan 23 23:26:03 <MohammadAG> ah
Jan 23 23:26:11 <MohammadAG> tweego?
Jan 23 23:26:22 <alterego> I believe that's hobbyist
Jan 23 23:27:10 <MohammadAG> but it's foss with no donate button
Jan 23 23:27:30 <alterego> Yeah, there's a lot of apps that don't have donate buttons :)
Jan 23 23:27:47 <pupnik> we totally need better local dns caching proggies
Jan 23 23:28:00 <pupnik> i want every lookup to go into a textfile in /etc/hosts format
Jan 23 23:28:27 <alterego> Heh
Jan 23 23:28:32 <alterego> neat idea
Jan 23 23:28:41 <alterego> Then on failure does a clean lookup
Jan 23 23:28:47 <mikhas> and then be burned when the DNS actually *does* update
Jan 23 23:28:51 <alterego> And marks that domain as "dynamic"
Jan 23 23:28:56 <mikhas> ah yes
Jan 23 23:29:23 <alterego> Could do by developing a small dns server.
Jan 23 23:29:57 <pupnik> i want a log of changes
Jan 23 23:30:07 <pupnik> just now i had some very big sites fail to resolve
Jan 23 23:31:03 <alterego> Doc had a problem like that last week
Jan 23 23:31:11 <alterego> Can't remember if it was his fault or what :)
Jan 23 23:44:13 <gregoa> pupnik: would dnsmasq or unbound do what you are looking for?
Jan 23 23:44:37 <pupnik> hmm ty gregoa
Jan 23 23:44:55 <gregoa> np
Jan 23 23:45:43 <nox-> i thought n900 already ran dnsmasq?
Jan 23 23:46:07 <xim_> how do you change the ringtone on the n900?  i cant find it anywhere in the settings menu?
Jan 23 23:48:07 <gregoa> nox-: right, dnsmasq is running on my n900
Jan 23 23:48:24 <jacekowski> xim_: you can
Jan 23 23:48:40 <gregoa> xim_: settings -> profiles
Jan 23 23:50:22 <xim_> ahhh the profile thing is a button, i thought it was just a label.  thanks
Jan 23 23:54:58 <xim_> how can i change the background from my themes background to "the milkyway galaxy background" which i have installed?
Jan 23 23:55:33 <BCMM> xim_: desktop menu
Jan 23 23:55:45 <xim_> ah thanks
Jan 23 23:56:02 <BCMM> np
Jan 24 00:00:11 <GeneralAntilles> Ugh, too many MeeGo mailing lists.
Jan 24 00:01:01 <xim_> does anyone know where the settings to recaller are saved?  it used to crash all the time, so i did a factory restore on my phone, it worked a bit, then it would just go green and stay that way, then i uninstalled and reinstalled, now it wont turn green
Jan 24 00:01:21 <xim_> id like to just blow away the settings before i totally give up on it, it was probably the most useful thing on my n900
Jan 24 00:01:53 <xim_> i cant find any .recaller in ~ or ~/.config
Jan 24 00:05:33 <Venemo> GeneralAntilles: +1
Jan 24 00:23:02 <pupnik> xim_: i'm not sure what that is for
Jan 24 00:34:09 <MohammadAG> night peeps
Jan 24 00:34:20 <pupnik> cu MohammadAG
Jan 24 00:40:30 <peregrin> are all the build utilities and includes available for maemo, eg. gcc automake libtool libc-dev etc?
Jan 24 00:41:54 <peregrin> on the device itself?
Jan 24 00:43:17 <wmarone> not on the device itself
Jan 24 00:43:25 <wmarone> not by default at least
Jan 24 00:45:36 <peregrin> of course :) would i just need to add the Fremantle SDK repo? is this done at all?
Jan 24 00:46:04 <wmarone> some people do, however none of the tools are configured to run from /opt
Jan 24 00:46:21 <wmarone> so you'll need to make sure there's space on your root device
Jan 24 00:46:36 <peregrin> damn, that problem still huh...
Jan 24 00:46:48 <wmarone> well, that problem will be there until the root device is huge
Jan 24 00:46:56 <wmarone> and it'll always be there on the N900
Jan 24 00:50:01 <peregrin> its so annoying they have /usr/include already filled. else it may be possible to mount in opt...
Jan 24 00:58:29 <peregrin> my itty bitty netbook cannot handle the hd space of a scratchbox install. it seems to install literally everything.
Jan 24 00:59:03 <peregrin> maybe i could run nfsd or something on my n900?
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