**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Feb 02 02:59:58 2011 Feb 02 03:07:26 so it now works Feb 02 03:27:35 Taxes filed, woo! Feb 02 04:07:07 what are the right args for ubiformat and ubinize? Feb 02 04:07:17 the one found on the forum here don't work : Feb 02 04:07:26 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=35554&highlight=ubinize Feb 02 04:36:09 heh Feb 02 04:36:15 reggie should just shut TMO down Feb 02 04:36:23 pieces of crap like PradaBrada have the run of the place Feb 02 06:26:38 That was ...odd... My PC just paused for a second. I see "NVRM: os_schedule: Attempted to yield the CPU while in atomic or interrupt context" in the system log. Feb 02 06:26:47 What happened? Feb 02 06:26:57 overheating? Feb 02 06:27:13 116F, probably not Feb 02 06:28:16 that's the end of my guesses :) Feb 02 06:29:39 Hm. Looks like it's probably the darn 260.19.29 Nvidia driver. :\ I may very well downgrade back to the 256 driver. Feb 02 06:30:07 I seem to be on 260.19.06 Feb 02 06:30:23 Are you tracking a PPA or installing manually or something? Feb 02 06:30:45 Manually, on my Debian Squeeze system Feb 02 06:31:03 laptop or desktop? Feb 02 06:31:12 the latter Feb 02 06:31:43 well, luckily it seems you're not alone Feb 02 06:31:51 Custom build; GTX 260 216-core card; 4GB of ram; Phenom II x4 955 Feb 02 06:31:57 Yea Feb 02 06:32:15 Huh... that's Odd. Just did it again Feb 02 06:32:22 close to a clone of my machine :) Feb 02 06:32:51 Might have something to do with either Runescape in OpenGL mode, or KMPlayer playing via OpenGL.. Feb 02 06:32:52 heya johnx Feb 02 06:33:05 mornin' RST38h Feb 02 06:34:09 Robbie: It probably managed to interrupt the interrupt handler Feb 02 06:34:18 Odd Feb 02 06:34:30 Some driver may have a problem Feb 02 06:36:13 I dunno but it looks I'm in 260.99 Feb 02 06:36:43 That's the thing about closed-source drivers: When they work, everything's fine. When they don't, you just want to yell at the idiots in charge. Feb 02 06:37:04 The same thing occurs with open-source drivers. Feb 02 06:37:29 the only difference is that maybe you could have a chance to fix it yourself with open-source drivers Feb 02 06:37:36 but you'd still yelling at people Feb 02 06:37:45 +be Feb 02 06:38:36 Sc0rpius: True, but usually with those, someone else has already done the yelling for me. Feb 02 06:39:02 And has a patch or PPA available with the improved version Feb 02 06:39:14 Sc0rpius: If you are not familiar with kernel programming or programming at all, you still do not have a chance to fix it. Feb 02 06:39:27 A lot of "open source advocates" miss this particular point. Feb 02 06:40:16 This would cast nVidia in a bad light except that ATi's Linux drivers are pretty bad (last time I looked) Feb 02 06:40:54 That's extremely true. Last time I tried to run a decent OpenGL app on my ATi-based laptop, it flickered with Compiz enabled. For some odd reason. Feb 02 06:41:13 I haven't had -much- trouble with Nvidia drivers. Feb 02 06:41:55 well that's the "chance": that you might be familiar with it Feb 02 06:42:13 of course if we're talking about nVidia drivers is very unlikely for common developers to fix things there Feb 02 06:42:25 and nVidia drivers for windows, even worse. Feb 02 06:43:01 RobbieThe1st, to say nothing of the fact that they tend to offer a fraction of the card's true potential in linux Feb 02 06:43:14 Eh... Even with the "closed" nvidia drivers, there's some sort of interface that needs to be compiled at install time. And when -that- fails with new kernels, people -do- put out patches. Feb 02 06:43:21 that's why people should not use Linux as workstation OS Feb 02 06:43:31 and I should go to bed before the haters start to hate Feb 02 06:43:32 hehe Feb 02 06:43:40 Eh, I disagree. They shouldn't use it for Gaming perhaps. Feb 02 06:43:48 Sc0rpius, are you recommending Sun^WOracle or Mac? Feb 02 06:44:04 it's funny, you have a GTX260 one of the most powerful video cards out there, using Linux? Feb 02 06:44:08 But workstation? Unless you're using Compiz, you don't need much card, just like on Windows XP. Feb 02 06:44:31 Yup... and I game on it. I can even play TF2 remarkably well through Wine. Feb 02 06:45:07 I still prefer to have a W7 as my main workstation computer. Always running an ubuntu with VMWare Player 24/7 in a second monitor Feb 02 06:45:09 But my gaming requirements are fairly low, considering.... I just couldn't stand Windows any longer when I switched. Feb 02 06:45:19 mostly for scratchbox (developing for the N900) Feb 02 06:45:45 Sc0rpius, Then I hope you don't mind if I take your suggestion about 'workstation' OS with a grain of salt ;) Feb 02 06:46:10 W7 is fairly stable I haven't had the first problem with it and I've been using it for a while Feb 02 06:46:38 lack of software and incompatibility with the rest of the world pushes me away from Linux, Mac and other crap as a workstation OS Feb 02 06:46:47 Sc0rpius: Tell that to my laptop, which, after 8 months of working right decided that it was not genuine anymore. Feb 02 06:46:47 at job, all servers are Solaris Feb 02 06:47:07 Sc0rpius, let's just agree to disagree Feb 02 06:47:07 heh Feb 02 06:47:35 I haven't had a -single- licence issue with my Linux boxes! :3 Feb 02 06:48:31 and hey I've been using Linux for a while, but never got me. I still remember the fights between Torvalds and Andrew Tannenbaum in the newsgroups fighting for Minix back in '92 Feb 02 06:48:37 * RST38h hasn't had a single license issue with his Win7 box. So, what is the point/ Feb 02 06:48:39 ? Feb 02 06:48:45 I was at the university at the time Feb 02 06:48:53 yeah me neither Feb 02 06:49:06 and I have a laptop, a desktop and a netbook all running W7 Feb 02 06:49:08 Sc0rpius: you're crazy. Feb 02 06:49:12 Sc0: That was not a "fight". That was a spanking. Feb 02 06:49:25 *Windows* is incompatible with the rest of the world. Feb 02 06:49:38 GNU/Linux runs more software than any other OS Feb 02 06:49:41 And it has left poor Torvalds psychologically damaged for the rest of his life Feb 02 06:49:53 well after that, actually several months later, a Kernel 1.1.3 was released with whatever became "Slackware", I installed that Feb 02 06:49:58 it was fun because nothing worked Feb 02 06:50:01 Sc0rpius: also, GTX is nVidia, which are crap. Feb 02 06:50:08 so after you made it all your hardware work, it was boring. Feb 02 06:50:11 dude Feb 02 06:50:12 Y'know, it's surprising. For me, I've had less issues with Linux "Just working" than I have with my Mom's iMac, or the various family XP systems. Feb 02 06:50:24 so I guess you are: ATi fan, AMD fan, Linux fan? Feb 02 06:50:34 people like you are shot when they are born where I come from Feb 02 06:50:44 you should be: Intel fan, nVidia fan, Windows fan Feb 02 06:50:44 Sc0rpius: ATi is far better than nVidia Feb 02 06:50:45 alright, soooo, OS flamewar time? Feb 02 06:50:45 <`Ika_Musume> ati dont exist anymore Feb 02 06:50:45 Robbie: We have all got the point. There is no need to repeat it. Feb 02 06:50:51 but even my Intel IGP outperforms both Feb 02 06:50:54 <`Ika_Musume> its all amd now Feb 02 06:51:24 <`Ika_Musume> amd sux yea Feb 02 06:51:26 that's not what Tomshardware's benchmark are saying Feb 02 06:51:33 <`Ika_Musume> i got an 6core Feb 02 06:51:39 Sc0rpius: Tom is an idiot Windozeluser Feb 02 06:51:42 hah Feb 02 06:51:59 https://en.bitcoin.it/wiki/Mining_Hardware_Comparison Feb 02 06:52:02 <`Ika_Musume> lol amd never beat intel Feb 02 06:52:02 I'd never buy an ATi Feb 02 06:52:08 GTX580 can only do 119 MH/s Feb 02 06:52:17 can we all just agree that FreeBSD is the best and leave it at that? Feb 02 06:52:21 Radeon 5970 can do 535 MH/s Feb 02 06:52:23 johnx: Yeah. Feb 02 06:52:26 johnx: s/best/dead/ Feb 02 06:52:30 <`Ika_Musume> amd ati still beat nvidia Feb 02 06:52:39 luke-jr, it's not dead, it's pining for the fjords Feb 02 06:52:41 that's a biased link Feb 02 06:52:44 AMD's best video card is over 4 times better than nVidia's Feb 02 06:52:52 Sc0rpius: no, it's not. Feb 02 06:52:56 no AMD is faster than its equivalent Intel CPU Feb 02 06:53:04 <`Ika_Musume> amd have best video card and the worst drivers Feb 02 06:53:19 <`Ika_Musume> also amd cards run cooler Feb 02 06:53:20 Sc0rpius: equivalency is determined by speed. so by definition, they're the same speed if they're equivalent. Feb 02 06:53:24 Sc0rpius, I have to admit, I'm intrigued by your definition of 'equivalent' Feb 02 06:53:35 AMD is good for low-cost power; Intel has the top-end single-core-performance market Feb 02 06:53:51 <`Ika_Musume> amd dies soon Feb 02 06:53:51 well each processor is different so they are hard to compare Feb 02 06:53:59 <`Ika_Musume> no one ever buy amd Feb 02 06:54:01 RobbieThe1st: Sandy Bridge blew away all AMD's offerings completely. sorry. Feb 02 06:54:07 you can't compare two CPUs with the same frequency, they could report different MIPS Feb 02 06:54:09 though I have to admit, I still miss BeOS features from time to time Feb 02 06:54:28 johnx: I do think it is time for a few /ignores Feb 02 06:54:43 like /ignore #maemo --for-the-night? Feb 02 06:54:47 johnx: Getting too old for yet-another-boring-pointless-os-flamewar Feb 02 06:54:53 luke-jr: Yea, you'd expect something two years old to be outperformed :\ Feb 02 06:54:55 johnx: Naah, too radical Feb 02 06:55:02 jeez, I'm 27 and I feel too old for this crap Feb 02 06:55:10 <`Ika_Musume> lol Feb 02 06:55:10 This was fun when I was like 14 Feb 02 06:55:20 RobbieThe1st: AMD needs to get its act in order with Bulldozer or they're dead Feb 02 06:55:28 I hope they're dead Feb 02 06:55:32 the world doesn't need them Feb 02 06:55:33 :) Feb 02 06:55:36 <`Ika_Musume> i live laptop wise i gave up and solsd all my amd comps Feb 02 06:55:39 johnx: And that was about time when it ended, most hardware being the same nowadays Feb 02 06:55:52 Sc0rpius: when AMD can't compete, Intel gets lazy Feb 02 06:55:57 ^^ Feb 02 06:56:05 that's true Feb 02 06:56:10 also, AMD is friendlier Feb 02 06:56:20 and that happens in all free markets around the world Feb 02 06:56:35 <`Ika_Musume> ismamd even a treath to intel? amd have like 16% of the market Feb 02 06:56:41 RST38h, for desktops/servers? yeah. I am interested in the Cortex-A9 these days, but that's about it Feb 02 06:56:57 Intel added "Intel Insider". I can't forgive them for that - If AMD goes down, hm... ARM on the desktop might be interesting. Feb 02 06:57:18 AMD competes better than ARM Feb 02 06:57:49 <`Ika_Musume> amr is mobile cpu amd is desktop Feb 02 06:57:55 maybe AMD should die, and force Intel to split for anti-trust Feb 02 06:57:58 :P Feb 02 06:58:11 I hope Apple dies too Feb 02 06:58:12 In my head I'm just replacing all the brand names with $foo $bar and $baz Feb 02 06:58:14 nah, Intel would bail AMD out before that happens Feb 02 06:58:19 and that's it, everything else can live Feb 02 06:58:44 johnx: yea, the mobile stuff has not stabilized yet Feb 02 06:58:48 btw Feb 02 06:58:53 <`Ika_Musume> i bet amd is give up soon Feb 02 06:58:54 good luck getting a Sandy Bridge system now :p Feb 02 06:58:56 actually Intel needs AMD, so they can't say it's not a monopoly but still control like 90% of the PC market Feb 02 06:59:10 johnx: but it is also stabilizing into bland 4" slates running Android on top of a Samsung CPU Feb 02 06:59:30 you can't buy any SB motherboards anymore Feb 02 06:59:49 Yea; I heard about the glitch. Ouch for intel Feb 02 06:59:57 yay for me Feb 02 07:00:08 I'm gonna get NewEgg to upgrade my replacement board :P Feb 02 07:00:16 It might just give AMD the edge it needs Feb 02 07:00:29 RST38h, have to disagree on the form factor thing. There are more sizes/shapes of smartphones today than there were two years ago Feb 02 07:00:32 RobbieThe1st: how? Feb 02 07:00:40 RobbieThe1st: it's just a short delay and lots of $$$ down the tube Feb 02 07:00:46 By delaying SB for a bit. Feb 02 07:00:55 it doesn't set Intel's production back much really Feb 02 07:01:36 4" screens just weren't done 2 years ago, and now it's common. And there were *no* 7 inch tablets. Now we have a nice list to choose from Feb 02 07:01:39 johnx: Go visit your local BestBuy. See how many shapes are available. Feb 02 07:01:45 "When SCP containment teams came into contact with SCP-421, Principal ???? was working on a proof alongside the corpse of Mr. ????." Feb 02 07:01:47 know what would make me extremely happy with AMD or Intel? Feb 02 07:01:53 if they open sourced the microcode Feb 02 07:02:15 then someone could rewrite it to run ARM or PPC instructions instead Feb 02 07:02:19 You forget the shipping/storage and other companies production - The new product has to get shipped to a mfgr, then added to motherboards, then shipped to the stores... It'll take a couple weeks. Feb 02 07:02:35 RobbieThe1st: I doubt weeks hurt in the big picture Feb 02 07:02:41 RST38h, a couple landscape sliders, a couple in the 3" range. a couple in the 4" range, and 7" tablets Feb 02 07:02:44 although I hope it doesn't delay Q67 much Feb 02 07:02:55 It can't -help-/ Feb 02 07:03:21 it would be awesome to run PPC on an Intel/AMD proc Feb 02 07:03:22 :P Feb 02 07:03:41 Y'know, the sad thing about tablets is that I haven't seen any 7"ers that have a 1024x800 or so screen Feb 02 07:03:57 Like 800.480 till you get to 10 inchers Feb 02 07:04:11 wanna take a peak at my Modest in tree view mode? Feb 02 07:04:11 johnx: Yep Feb 02 07:04:13 doesn't the galaxy tab do 1024x600? Feb 02 07:04:15 http://img833.imageshack.us/img833/892/screenshot2011020202321.png Feb 02 07:04:27 johnx: Dunno, it certainlylooks like this Feb 02 07:04:30 I really hated that I couldn't collapse subfolders. Feb 02 07:04:34 RST38h, and two years ago we didn't have the 4" or 7" category at all Feb 02 07:04:57 johnx: Yes, but we are talking 4" slate, smaller slate, bigger slate, and a slate with slideout keyboard Feb 02 07:05:22 RST38h, so what shape do you want? a cylinder? a regular tetrahedron? Feb 02 07:05:23 :P Feb 02 07:06:26 <`Ika_Musume> why not get an cowon 3g? Feb 02 07:06:37 <`Ika_Musume> beter tehn every moboile Feb 02 07:06:39 and more to the point: what form factor did we have in the past that we've lost now? Feb 02 07:10:54 johnx: We have lost the E70! Feb 02 07:11:23 johnx: And all we have got is a freaking slate, that is not even comfortable to hold to you ear =) Feb 02 07:11:36 [Sidenote: Fennec 4b4 == FAIL] Feb 02 07:11:45 ah, great Feb 02 07:11:48 I just finished installing it Feb 02 07:11:55 guess I don't need to bother running it :| Feb 02 07:12:11 You can try, the loading time was 30-40 seconds for me Feb 02 07:12:28 Took a few minutes to load a web page, swapping all the time, I guess Feb 02 07:12:55 so is your complaint more about actual physical shape, rather than "form factor" exactly? Feb 02 07:13:09 johnx: I had no complaints :) Feb 02 07:13:17 <_< Feb 02 07:13:19 >_> Feb 02 07:13:27 johnx: But if you put it this way, then yes, I dislike hw being commoditized Feb 02 07:14:08 johnx: I hate modern cars, which all look the same. I hate modern laptops, which all look the same. And the same commoditization is happening with the mobile devices Feb 02 07:14:25 I have to admit I like the part of 'commoditized' where prices fall through the floor and competition goes way up Feb 02 07:14:38 That's true, yes Feb 02 07:14:41 RST38h: so buy a macbook! Feb 02 07:14:44 * kerio ducks Feb 02 07:14:51 though, I've resisted the commoditization of the desktop Feb 02 07:14:53 But the goods all become the same. Feb 02 07:15:02 mine is still as ugly as the late'90s Feb 02 07:15:15 Desktops just plain died out Feb 02 07:15:29 in terms of 'innovation'? Feb 02 07:15:31 whoa? Feb 02 07:15:37 johnx: as a class Feb 02 07:15:38 I should hit the bed Feb 02 07:15:47 RST38h: haha yeah right Feb 02 07:15:58 everyone can afford a laptop Feb 02 07:16:10 it's not like we're in an economic crisis Feb 02 07:16:12 RST38h, I mean yeah, but it's where I do all the work for mobile stuff Feb 02 07:16:14 johnx: Whatever remains is either a hobbyist box (with LEDs and liquid cooling) or a replacement for a DVD player, that can also run Office Feb 02 07:17:10 RST38h: and what's the problem in that? Feb 02 07:17:32 a dreamplug with a usb monitor is more than most people need Feb 02 07:17:44 * RST38h writes Fennec off the list of usable apps, again. Feb 02 07:17:59 heh. I wonder if globalscale they figured out the cooling issues this time around ... Feb 02 07:18:35 johnx: i thought they did Feb 02 07:18:44 that was the point of the new case Feb 02 07:18:51 well, the guruplug was pretty bad Feb 02 07:18:58 do people actually have dreamplugs in hand yet? Feb 02 07:19:12 * johnx didn't RTFA Feb 02 07:19:13 and also sounded like a sex toy. Feb 02 07:19:53 RST38h: how's that a negative factor? >:D Feb 02 07:20:02 johnx: maybe some demo units, but yeah Feb 02 07:20:10 although i'm not sure Feb 02 07:20:27 I had a pre-order in for a guruplug but canceled it when people started hitting real problems Feb 02 07:20:59 Got a QNAP TS119 instead and it's been fantastic Feb 02 07:21:35 * kerio only has a sheevaplug Feb 02 07:21:36 There was a web farm company that *rented* people guruplugs, all installed at the farm Feb 02 07:21:48 for something like $15/mo Feb 02 07:22:02 RST38h: i bet they cheaped out on the heating Feb 02 07:23:36 actually rebooted by qnap after 70 days uptime, and freaked out when it didn't come online after a couple minutes. Turns out a fsck.ext4 on a 2TB drive takes a while ... Feb 02 07:23:47 s/by/my/ Feb 02 07:23:47 johnx meant: actually rebooted my qnap after 70 days uptime, and freaked out when it didn't come online after a couple minutes. Turns out a fsck.ext4 on a 2TB drive takes a while ... Feb 02 07:24:02 johnx: fsck on ext4? Feb 02 07:24:06 :< Feb 02 07:24:16 i disabled fsck on my ext3 drive Feb 02 07:25:21 apparently I didn't :) Feb 02 07:25:42 btw, can i borrow a tb or something Feb 02 07:25:51 i seriously need to defrag it Feb 02 07:26:10 don't have much left. I've been using it to store backups Feb 02 07:26:41 ah, though I lied. This is actually ext3 Feb 02 07:26:44 apparently downloading multiple romsets without telling transmission to preallocate everything first leads to having a 60% fragmentation rate Feb 02 07:27:07 "ext3 avoids fragmentation" my ass Feb 02 07:28:07 heh Feb 02 07:28:30 anyway, i was thinking of something like btrfs Feb 02 07:28:41 is it stable enough yet? Feb 02 07:29:34 I dunno if I'd trust it yet for backups. I might trust it for videos and movies and games Feb 02 07:40:06 "ext3 avoids fragmentation" - alie Feb 02 07:40:19 urban legend Feb 02 07:41:14 ext3 fragments as well, if you fill up the drive. It performs good with plenty of free space Feb 02 07:41:43 DocScrutinizer: isn't that basically true, then? Feb 02 07:42:12 DocScrutinizer: that it _avoids_ fragmentation and only begins to fragment when the FS fills up... Feb 02 07:44:36 it was more true back when vfat allocation algo made one facepalm Feb 02 07:51:00 oh my. intel is recalling cougar point... Feb 02 08:37:41 Poor pupnik has been silenced again? Hm Feb 02 08:38:03 [2011-02-01 23:31:30] and you're a fucking idiot Feb 02 08:38:15 [2011-02-01 23:32:04] because you cunts will never believe they can do evil Feb 02 08:38:36 Hello @all Feb 02 08:39:21 I need some help plz, with the n900 email client. I need to setup an imap path, How do I do that? Feb 02 08:40:20 I'm honestly concerned about pupnik's mental health - anyway there's zero tolerance left for his insulting behaviour anymore Feb 02 08:41:25 Doc: silcencing him won't make him feel any better though Feb 02 08:41:51 chris81, looking at it. I'm not entirely certain it supports that ... Feb 02 08:41:53 he regularly queries me and honestly thanks for the +q Feb 02 08:42:28 chris81, is this for work or some public email provider? Feb 02 08:43:55 it is for work Feb 02 08:44:06 seriously, common IRC practice is to kick and maybe even temporarily or permanently ban users calling others names like he does Feb 02 08:45:21 chris81, ah. Does mail show up at all without the path entered? Feb 02 08:45:56 no nothing he is not able to update anything Feb 02 08:46:58 I think it links to the home of my workingplace and it my be to big entirely scan it. Thunderbird uses the 'Mail' subdirectory Feb 02 08:48:53 it is just a thought. The other mail accounts I set up are working Feb 02 08:49:22 I don"t know where i can find a log file of modest ... Feb 02 08:58:08 is there a 'good' email client alternative to test the account Feb 02 08:58:18 p2p networks for Aegypt! Feb 02 09:06:06 which package do I need to install in order to have a git inside the scratchbox ? scratchbox-devkit-git is installed, but still not available... Feb 02 09:12:25 git-core Feb 02 09:12:59 Hey MohammadAG Feb 02 09:13:13 hi alterego Feb 02 09:14:55 I do not think it is git core Feb 02 09:15:04 it is more like scratchbox-devkit-git Feb 02 09:15:29 * alterego sighs Feb 02 09:15:52 Then why the f did you ask Feb 02 09:24:18 @johnx: Did you find somethink ? Feb 02 09:24:29 I didn't see anything in the settings Feb 02 09:24:37 I've also never seen a mail account that needed that Feb 02 09:24:55 Have you tried just giving the N900 some time to process deal with the huge number of emails? Feb 02 09:25:08 ja Feb 02 09:25:20 Maybe you could install a network or cpu monitor to see if the N900 is doing anything after it connects to the account? Feb 02 09:25:31 but i think it just gives up Feb 02 09:25:55 the config files are in /var/lib/gconf/modest/ Feb 02 09:26:23 hey guys Feb 02 09:26:25 if you create the account, then click click 'New folder' from the menu, does it create one somewhere? Feb 02 09:26:48 trumee: it's in testing now. are you happy? :) Feb 02 09:26:53 trumee: vote here: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/sticky-notes/0.3.0/ Feb 02 09:27:41 guys, please vote for my package: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/sticky-notes/0.3.0/ Feb 02 09:29:52 nope Feb 02 09:30:27 chris81, did you look from the other mail client you have? Feb 02 09:30:53 I got thunderbird on my desktop Feb 02 09:31:28 i see all my mail folders in the 'Mail' dir of my home Feb 02 09:32:07 i thunderbird i donot see the client Feb 02 09:32:20 and if you try to create a folder from the n900 it doesn't show up anywhere in thunderbird? Feb 02 09:33:10 no, Feb 02 09:33:25 then I don't really have any ideas :| Feb 02 09:33:46 you could try the email client called 'claws' but it's not that easy to use from a touchscreen Feb 02 09:33:48 perpas there is a setting the config files to set the imap prefix path Feb 02 09:34:08 but I need the doc of modest there Feb 02 09:36:54 thx for your help anyway Feb 02 09:37:40 no problem. good luck Feb 02 09:45:56 chris81: modest can be found on gitorious Feb 02 09:59:34 Hey, is there somebody who has Mnemosyne installed on their N900 and can either confirm or... non-confirm a bug for me please? Feb 02 10:03:42 is it possible to do portrait task switcher? Feb 02 10:03:55 apt-get install mnemosyn Feb 02 10:03:57 argh Feb 02 10:04:47 Ok - can't do that on this net connection ATM. Feb 02 10:05:05 SpeedEvil: fair enough, thanks anyway Feb 02 10:05:17 sooner or later you or someone else will ;) Feb 02 10:34:32 bah, still no word from Nokia Care on my replacement N900 :( Feb 02 10:37:26 jonwil: what was wrong with the previous one? (I ask because mine is dying a death, slowly but obviously) Feb 02 10:37:46 The status notification LED and front camera both stopped working Feb 02 10:39:29 Hmm, I don't use my front camera, so I have no idea how that is faring. My notification LED does funny things when it is charging, but I think that is a charging issue. Feb 02 10:39:52 Flat Plastic Connector cable breakage - or, more precisely, probably the triple layer B2C-connector and second layer jumper board Feb 02 10:42:43 DocScrutinizer: would apt-get dist-upgrade fix it? Feb 02 10:42:51 :P Feb 02 10:45:17 dashavoo: yes, and that also fixes any scratches in the case, and upgrades the processor to 4GHz. Feb 02 10:46:25 SpeedEvil: Awesome =D Feb 02 10:47:21 Hmm... I wish I could extend the N900's Skype with "Skype for 3" so I could make free calls without using up my data =( Feb 02 10:47:38 I have to go to the pub to use their wifi whenever I want to skype call someone Feb 02 10:49:33 hi there Feb 02 10:50:01 do you know if is possible to use more usb devices at the same time with the nokia n900? Feb 02 10:50:04 you're complaining that you have a reason to go to the pub... :P Feb 02 10:50:27 banoz: With a hub, in principle, yes. Feb 02 10:51:44 cool Feb 02 10:51:59 I'll try it and I'll let you know Feb 02 10:52:02 ieatlint: I never need a reason to go to the pub, but I would rather be able to sit on my comfy settee and speak to my friends abroad Feb 02 10:52:45 i'm sure your friends love it when you call them when drunk Feb 02 11:21:37 hi all, how to install maemo onn vmware player? Feb 02 11:21:57 I need test my app, Feb 02 11:22:04 it is possible? Feb 02 11:22:14 hi guys. any eta on nokia n9? Feb 02 11:22:27 As usual: Nope Feb 02 11:22:29 but it's probably not the right place to ask that question =) Feb 02 11:22:41 thanks Robbie) Feb 02 11:22:51 Extends: Why not just load it on your n900? Feb 02 11:23:22 because I dont have a n900 ? ; ) Feb 02 11:23:51 Then why/how are you developing an app for it? Feb 02 11:24:38 Seems a little hard. An emulator won't really give you a good test anyway - at best, you can see if it works. But if it does, you won't know real performance and how it works unless you have a device Feb 02 11:25:13 to put in OviStore Feb 02 11:25:59 You are -really- expecting to get an application up to the quality at which you can -sell- without having really tested it? :\ Feb 02 11:27:44 I think so, every single developer needs to have one for that? Feb 02 11:27:47 Like I said, you're really going to need an n900 if you expect to develop an app - sure, you might be able to build a QT app for a range of devices and just compile it for the n900... but developing without any sort of compatible hardware's just not going to work Feb 02 11:28:00 and why we have simulator Feb 02 11:28:22 Scratchbox is better than that simulator tbh Feb 02 11:28:34 AFAIK, we have scratchbox, which is mainly a compiling platform. Feb 02 11:29:01 Much better test environment, if you _really_ don't have access to the hardware. Feb 02 11:29:07 But it doesn't have a GUI or any way to load/run gui apps on it, right? Feb 02 11:29:25 You can also get people here or on tmo to test on real hardware. Feb 02 11:29:31 RobbieThe1st: of course it does. Feb 02 11:29:57 in the moment I use the nokia qt sdk and inside I have a maemo simulator Feb 02 11:29:57 What it doesn't have us hardware simulators for gps, accel, etc. Feb 02 11:30:15 The simulator in Qt SDK is awful to be honest. Feb 02 11:30:43 i know that... but I don't have another way Feb 02 11:30:46 If you want to target maemo I'd suggest setting up scratchbox and getting qt creator to work with scratchbox. Feb 02 11:30:50 It really has an interface like the n900? Like being able to tap buttons, task-switch and such? Or just run individual QT apps on the parent machine? Feb 02 11:30:56 I just have a n82 :( Feb 02 11:30:58 RobbieThe1st: yes Feb 02 11:31:13 Which? Feb 02 11:31:26 It has a fully functioning maemo 5 chroot with native UX Feb 02 11:32:07 RobbieThe1st: http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Maemo_5_SDK_installation_for_beginners#Running_Maemo_5_SDK Feb 02 11:32:10 I've got to get a copy working... Last I checked, it was a major pain to get working on x86_64, though Feb 02 11:32:31 RobbieThe1st: works fine for me on 64bit ubuntu 10.10 Feb 02 11:32:38 I have I frien, and that friend has I n900, I will talk to him... Feb 02 11:32:41 How did you install it? Feb 02 11:32:43 *friend Feb 02 11:32:51 I manually installed it. Feb 02 11:33:07 But the instructions should work fine tbh Feb 02 11:33:48 hi there Feb 02 11:34:01 what happens if I delete the content of /tmp Feb 02 11:34:04 ? Feb 02 11:34:10 banoz: bad things Feb 02 11:34:18 Depending what you're deleting Feb 02 11:34:29 ok Feb 02 11:34:37 because I get this errror: Feb 02 11:34:59 can't write /tmp/cctn4JLa.o: No space left on device Feb 02 11:35:12 I deleted some space on my home directory Feb 02 11:35:19 is tmp on another partition? Feb 02 11:35:27 No... everything -but- /home/ is your rootfs Feb 02 11:35:35 (and /opt/) Feb 02 11:35:56 /tmp is a ramdisk, and files may reside there or in memory IIRC Feb 02 11:36:02 uhm Feb 02 11:36:05 *swapfs Feb 02 11:36:21 You need to clean space on the rootfs Feb 02 11:36:23 um Feb 02 11:36:25 so this message is saying that i have not space on my roofts Feb 02 11:36:29 ok Feb 02 11:36:38 http://wiki.maemo.org/Free_up_rootfs_space Feb 02 11:36:41 uhm so, free packages? Feb 02 11:36:45 ok cool! Feb 02 11:36:46 thx Feb 02 11:36:53 run "apt-get clean" as root first Feb 02 11:37:18 already done :( Feb 02 11:37:39 Well, follow those instructions Feb 02 11:38:28 I should have 227.8 M fs and used 203.6M Feb 02 11:38:34 so 20,0M available Feb 02 11:38:50 there is still space... very strange... Feb 02 11:38:58 try rebooting Feb 02 11:39:56 ok Feb 02 11:39:59 alterego: No, I can't install it. Trying to run the scratchbox installer results in a 404 error when trying to download amd64 packages from scratchbox.org Feb 02 11:40:43 Install the 32 bit packages Feb 02 11:40:58 and make sure you have 32 bit lib support installed. Feb 02 11:41:15 alright Feb 02 11:41:51 Out of curiosity, there's a "harmattan" Scratchbox available - what's that about? Feb 02 11:42:28 Don't know, don't use it. Feb 02 11:42:50 yea Feb 02 11:46:17 ok, I know I asked this earlier, but I think enough hours have passed to ask again if anyone has mnemosyne installed and would be willing to try and confirm a bug for me? Feb 02 11:46:57 the channel is alot more active now than it was when I first asked Feb 02 11:53:22 RobbieThe1st harmattan was codename for maemo 6 Feb 02 11:53:46 ArGGu^^: Yea, but what's the scratchbox of/have/look like? Feb 02 11:58:51 RobbieThe1st I didn't understand what you mean by of/have/look? Feb 02 12:00:09 I was just thinking that maybe the scratchbox harmattan is version specially made for maemo6 Feb 02 12:00:47 or maybe it for meego now Feb 02 12:00:57 because there is no maemo 6 Feb 02 12:03:53 woot imgur integration! Feb 02 12:05:38 * mgedmin tries to vote for it and notices that maemo.org is glacially slow as usual Feb 02 12:07:30 I think this is the right page: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-testing_free_armel/imgur/0.51-1/ ... Feb 02 12:07:45 * mgedmin is now wishing he had a command-line imgur upload tool on his laptop Feb 02 12:07:51 there's a weird css bug on maemo.org Feb 02 12:07:54 probably nobody cares :( Feb 02 12:09:23 css bugs rock Feb 02 12:09:44 http://www.intomobile.com/2011/02/02/nokia-meego-bug-report-leaks-specs-intel-inside/?utm_source=twitterfeed&utm_medium=twitter&utm_campaign=Feed%3A+IntoMobile+%28IntoMobile%29&utm_content=Google+Feedfetcher Feb 02 12:10:51 err, surely nokias first meego will be arm, not x86? Feb 02 12:11:10 i.... do not know Feb 02 12:11:19 didnt Intel want to break into this space? Feb 02 12:11:54 if nokia doesnt want to release an arm meego at all, they wouldnt use n900 as dev device Feb 02 12:12:38 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=68743 here Feb 02 12:14:07 still all speculation Feb 02 12:16:36 <_berto_> Groundhog Phil, live from Punxsutawney: http://www.visitpa.com/groundhog-day-live-stream Feb 02 12:23:39 http://www.techfortesco.com/forum/index.php?board=1.0 - on the subject of handling a community. Feb 02 13:11:34 any hint how to *directly* change the settings-internet-ChangeToWlanIfAvailable setting? I checked system and session dbus... nuttin. Gconf? Feb 02 13:14:14 I just added the fremantle/tools repo, is there a key I can add to the apt keyring so I don't get the warnings about the packages not being authenticated? Feb 02 13:15:12 errm, never seen this problem Feb 02 13:15:25 '' Feb 02 13:18:17 really. Maybe I added it incorrectly Feb 02 13:20:37 DocScrutinizer, yes, gconf Feb 02 13:20:50 bah, this is too complicated to reverse engineer Feb 02 13:20:55 IroN900:~# diff ch2wlan-on.txt ch2wlan-off.txt Feb 02 13:20:56 1321c1321 Feb 02 13:20:58 < change_while_connected = true Feb 02 13:21:00 thnx anyway Feb 02 13:21:16 Trying to reverse engineer the bits that would allow the solving of bug 1002 Feb 02 13:21:18 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/1002 WPA pre-shared key should allow HEX input Feb 02 13:21:34 but there are 3 .so files full of complex UI code involved Feb 02 13:21:49 plus various undocumented dependancies of those 3 Feb 02 13:23:41 :/ Feb 02 13:25:38 no, I've definitely added this tools repo as per the instructions. now when I run apt-get install netcat I get the warning about the package not being authenticated Feb 02 13:25:39 its all part of connui-conndlgs-internet, connui-iapsettings-wlan and connui-iapsettings Feb 02 13:26:14 with dependancies on libconnui, libconbtui and libmaemosec_certman Feb 02 13:28:58 gconftool-2 -s /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/change_while_connected -t boolean false Feb 02 13:29:11 cmdline execution widget time Feb 02 13:30:10 I've just updated to the latest Fennec Feb 02 13:30:18 it's acutally slower than the previous version... :( Feb 02 13:38:37 bah, so many things on my list of things that UI want to reverse engineer and I seem to be making no progress on any of them :( Feb 02 13:39:47 at least I just found out that source code IS available for libmaemosec and libmaemosec_certman and friends Feb 02 13:40:06 so thats one less thing to care about Feb 02 14:21:41 X-Fade: heya, could you change the text on hotfix promotion blockage to mention mcsp ? Something like "Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked. Please depend on the 'mcsp' package if you need them." Feb 02 14:28:37 man, setting up a few queen-beecon-knobs sucks. Too much chrome, too few sane presets, too little edit and c&p options. I don't even dare to click "advanced" Feb 02 14:31:14 tbh I still haven't completely figured how to get rid of all those .png Feb 02 14:33:23 probably I should have stayed with desktop cmd execution widget Feb 02 14:41:12 setting up a contact avatar queen-beecon style: type in filename of picture, click "import" at bottom of page three screens scrolldown, in popping up menu select X, Y, width, height, rotation and aspect ratio with 6 sliders, click save&quite. Watch result and start over again Feb 02 14:43:28 Heh Feb 02 14:45:06 hi there Feb 02 14:46:10 my tmp partition is 1.0M used 72.0k. Now I'm compiling a program. How can I increase this space? Feb 02 14:46:17 is it simple? Feb 02 14:47:12 you are compiling ... on the N900???? Feb 02 14:48:27 yes Feb 02 14:48:34 chx why? Feb 02 14:48:54 banoz, you could try symlinking it elsewhere, but not sure how that will effect boot - why does it not have enough space? Feb 02 14:48:57 what are you building? Feb 02 14:49:18 lcuk, an application that I have written that uses opencv Feb 02 14:52:11 It has been ages since I played with opencv, I should get back to that sometime Feb 02 14:52:11 banoz, cool stuff Feb 02 14:52:28 what are you trying to do with it? Feb 02 14:52:59 only problem is, when I'm coding all day at work, I don't really feel like coding when I get home (even if I could fit it into my busy evenings) Feb 02 14:53:16 lcuk, at present I'm just experimenting to see if is feasible do some interesting stuff with the N900 Feb 02 14:53:38 the cpu is not so fast but never say never.. Feb 02 14:53:38 heh its entirely feasible Feb 02 14:53:45 the cpu is great Feb 02 14:53:45 cool Feb 02 14:53:49 uhm Feb 02 14:53:54 it's 600Mhz Feb 02 14:53:57 depends on perpective of course Feb 02 14:54:00 yep yep Feb 02 14:54:06 my code was written for the older 400mhz model ;) Feb 02 14:54:10 600mhz is great guns Feb 02 14:54:14 :D Feb 02 14:54:28 and there is also the overclock option... Feb 02 14:55:32 thats not an option for official build of course so you should not code based on requiring it Feb 02 14:56:38 lcuk, I know but anyway it is good to see that is possible to overclock it up to 1.150 GHz :) Feb 02 14:57:01 banoz, but for your own uses, does it make a noticable difference to speed of opencv calculations? Feb 02 14:57:58 has arm optimizations been added to opencv now? Feb 02 14:57:58 lcuk, I still don't know but my friend was working with another phone with a low cpu and the results were not so good Feb 02 14:58:20 I hope so :) Feb 02 14:58:39 banoz, yeah, I have heard other similar tales, even on same hardware Feb 02 14:59:00 it depends on the application.. Feb 02 14:59:02 I ended up hacking together a custom image recognition thing myself Feb 02 14:59:11 how did it go? Feb 02 14:59:58 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=sjSrwpbxyAM see for yourself Feb 02 15:00:07 cool Feb 02 15:00:09 ok Feb 02 15:01:36 this is cool :) Feb 02 15:01:42 hell, we had things like realtime FFT and visualization, when CPUs had e.g 133MHz Feb 02 15:02:00 my amiga could do fft Feb 02 15:02:07 aah Feb 02 15:02:13 * dashavoo misses his amiga =( Feb 02 15:02:18 yep Feb 02 15:02:26 i went all the way to Cheshire on a motorbike to pick up a sampler for it :P Feb 02 15:02:30 ahha Feb 02 15:02:50 when I was child my first pc was a 8086 Feb 02 15:02:58 a friend actually gave me his a500, the only problem is I have nothing I can connect it to anymore, and I don't have my games anymore. Feb 02 15:02:59 it was great Feb 02 15:03:09 damn... Feb 02 15:03:45 I'm missing the coders that say "the code is too bloated and poorly optimized" - rather I see C++ weirdos that cry for 5GHz quadcore to make their animations work smoothly Feb 02 15:04:02 ahah Feb 02 15:04:26 DocScrutinizer: indeed Feb 02 15:04:56 pls i want to install telnet on my n900 Feb 02 15:05:31 noooo way. For telnet V2 you need at very least a 1GHz CPU :-P Feb 02 15:05:55 http://maemo.org/packages/view/telnet/ Feb 02 15:06:03 pradeep_, then install it :) Feb 02 15:06:18 cheers Feb 02 15:06:38 lcuk: netcat (or the busybox variant) is probably already installed, too :-) Feb 02 15:06:49 oh hai Charles \o Feb 02 15:07:05 Afternoon Feb 02 15:07:41 lcuk, okay thank let me try it Feb 02 15:08:46 lcuk i can see some many of them pls which do i install Feb 02 15:09:34 pradeep_, the link I offered was not for direct install, use the command line "apt-get install telnet" to put it on Feb 02 15:10:00 you can check repositories required using the link though :) Feb 02 15:10:48 lcuk, it is not in my repo Feb 02 15:13:29 pradeep_, then add the extras-devel repository required :) Feb 02 15:13:58 lcuk that is what i wanted to know how to do Feb 02 15:14:02 * lcuk goes again screen making eyes sore Feb 02 15:16:13 pradeep_, DocScrutinizer knows which wiki page explains about -devel Feb 02 15:16:51 DocScrutinizer, please could help me with that Feb 02 15:16:51 ~extras-devel Feb 02 15:16:52 well, extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras#Extras-devel Feb 02 15:17:26 lcuk, DocScrutinizer might know it, but infobot knows all! Feb 02 15:17:36 :P Feb 02 15:17:39 infobot, thank you let me try that Feb 02 15:17:39 sure thing, pradeep_ Feb 02 15:18:18 MohammadAG, well its a bit misaligned, it would be better to point directly at http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Feb 02 15:18:55 this is not making my eyes better tho :P closing lid, cya later \o Feb 02 15:19:21 infobot, forget extras-devel Feb 02 15:19:21 ~extras-devel is http://wiki.maemo.org/Extras-devel Feb 02 15:19:22 MohammadAG: i forgot extras-devel Feb 02 15:19:22 MohammadAG: okay Feb 02 15:42:59 guys, does your opencv library contain the highgui features too? mine doesn't Feb 02 16:11:55 Republican politicians in South Dakota have filed a bill that would require every citizen in the land-locked virtually empty state to buy a gun as of next year. Feb 02 16:12:23 America, fuck yeah. Feb 02 16:21:42 ""I'll give you my gun when you take it from my cold, dead hands"" Feb 02 16:22:16 hooray for National Rifle Association Feb 02 16:22:59 I used to drive by their headquarters every day on the way to work. Feb 02 16:23:31 probably they also think rifles are the more economic medical treatment for the poor Feb 02 16:24:56 ""health insurance for everybody??? you can get a shot from my winchester"" Feb 02 16:27:40 RST38h, that's messed up on several levels. Feb 02 16:27:59 DocScrutinizer, you will have to take my guns from my cold dead hands. Feb 02 16:28:01 that == USA? Feb 02 16:28:32 DocScrutinizer, using force to require people to own force. Feb 02 16:28:47 I get the reasoning behind it, though. Feb 02 16:30:00 yeahyeah, "if guns get outlawed, only outlaws will get guns" - apply that logic to fission bombs Feb 02 16:30:01 More guns, less crime. Feb 02 16:30:54 Logical fallacy. Feb 02 16:31:09 more nuklear bombs, less war. (and even beetr war if ever it happens to come to it) Feb 02 16:31:23 better* Feb 02 16:33:08 I just wonder if everybody need a .22, or would it be better to get a ak47 or a M134D Feb 02 16:33:32 Doc:In reality, most of these pastry-looking US gun owners would not stand a chance when facing a real threat Feb 02 16:33:56 do my MTHELs count? or will I need a .22 as well, when living in South Dakota? Feb 02 16:33:57 Doc: So, no, I am not buying the "more guns - less crime" thing Feb 02 16:34:54 more guns, more shitheads to shoot their wife and neighbour when drunk Feb 02 16:35:12 more Columbines Feb 02 16:35:48 more 12 year old fools shooting their mom thru the wall by accident Feb 02 16:37:38 Pastry looking? Feb 02 16:37:45 USA has highest weapons/nose ratio in the whole civilized world, and afaik also the highest rate of crimes per resident and highest percentage of their population doing time in prison Feb 02 16:37:48 Is that the same as a doughy complexion? Feb 02 16:38:35 so yes, sure this will get better when even more idiots own rifles over there Feb 02 16:38:45 just look at Japan's crime rate, a country where all guns are forbidden, and most japanese have never ever seen a gun in RL Feb 02 16:39:18 maybe Darwin will help better when *everybody* gets a gun, so yeah this actually might pan out Feb 02 16:39:39 Doc: I suggest to start by removing all the warning labels first Feb 02 16:39:45 yay, finally a topic where everybody can have an opinion. welcome to #maemo! :) Feb 02 16:39:56 Doc: This way, they will only harm themselves, mostly Feb 02 16:40:38 andre__: Would you like to discuss Nokia's PR1.4 plans with us instead? =) Feb 02 16:40:58 I suggest handing a 9" bowie knife to every airline passenger Feb 02 16:41:33 Is it one ofthose Klingon knives? Feb 02 16:41:46 RST38h: almost, yeah Feb 02 16:41:53 :-D Feb 02 16:41:54 RST38h, if you're a criminal and the likelihood of any random victim having a gun, Feb 02 16:42:20 How likely are you to attempt to take somebody's purse or wallet? Feb 02 16:42:36 logic consequence, shoot before he will reach the locker where the gun is Feb 02 16:42:41 * lardman pokes head in to see the usual USA guns argument :) Feb 02 16:42:44 I don't get why people want to centralize force in the hands of the government (who runs things like gitmo) or criminals. Feb 02 16:43:00 GAN: I will still do it. Feb 02 16:43:11 well people are buying guns in the USA and transporting them over here to use, which is bad Feb 02 16:43:13 GAN: Using an elementof surprise of course, from behind, etc. Feb 02 16:43:35 GAN: Especially if I really really want my drug fix Feb 02 16:43:54 Guns are the great equalizer. Anybody can deploy the same amount of force regardless of age, gender, creed, color or sexual orientation. Feb 02 16:44:01 GAN: Furthermore, as I also have a gun this way, I may just resort to shooting the victim, by surprise Feb 02 16:44:15 RST38h, because drug addicts are special operatives. Feb 02 16:44:20 It's the utopia fallacy Feb 02 16:44:26 It is not, sorry Feb 02 16:44:35 Because something has drawbacks it should be illegal Feb 02 16:44:48 Obviously things will be better when it is. Feb 02 16:44:54 Case in point: Russian Federation in the 90s, when getting a gun has been relatively easy and there weren't any controls Feb 02 16:45:10 GAN900: obviously, look all the rest of civilized world Feb 02 16:45:15 Howdy General! long time never see! Feb 02 16:45:16 People shot each other all over the place, stupidly, often to show that they are "cool" Feb 02 16:45:48 penguinbait, hey-ho. Feb 02 16:46:02 RST38h, hey, getting guns is really easy here, too. Feb 02 16:46:03 who says PR1.4 will ever exist? Feb 02 16:46:19 nokia. also, everybody else. Feb 02 16:46:31 RST38h, somehow there aren't gun battles in the street every day. Feb 02 16:46:35 An office worker got himself a gun "to stay safe when walking from work", then shot himself or a bystander, by mistake Feb 02 16:46:48 RST38h, I'd argue that your cause and effect there is a little more complicated. Feb 02 16:46:51 GAN: Oh there weren't gun battles either Feb 02 16:47:06 it's just about the bets for the time of rollout. Some say 2014, some say 2180, some bet on 3233 Feb 02 16:47:10 GAN: Just deaths from stupid, careless gun abuse Feb 02 16:47:10 RST38h: PR1.4 plans? what PR1.4 plans? :-P Feb 02 16:47:25 andre__: See? Sit back and enjoy the show. Feb 02 16:47:38 hehe Feb 02 16:49:13 but it's definitively confirmed ther will be a PR1.4, in 3700 at the latest Feb 02 16:49:57 year 3700? Feb 02 16:50:07 yup, what else Feb 02 16:50:13 RST38h, dumb people will always be dumb. Feb 02 16:50:40 RST38h, but I'd rather have force in the hands of people rather than government agents and criminals. Feb 02 16:50:43 dumb people with guns will be just that: dumb dangerous people Feb 02 16:50:51 RST38h, whatever the drawbacks of that will be. Feb 02 16:51:04 DocScrutinizer, or cars, chainsaw, and knives. Feb 02 16:51:12 sure Feb 02 16:51:15 Most people aren't that dumb, however. Feb 02 16:51:32 that's why your gvmt outlawed laserpointers >1.5mW Feb 02 16:51:41 but pushes guns Feb 02 16:52:13 Besides, gun are FUN. :P Feb 02 16:52:15 the point is, laserpointers are made in Taiwan, guns are by Smith&Wesson Feb 02 16:52:20 s/gun/guns Feb 02 16:52:39 GAN: Don'tunderestimate the power of dumb people ;) Feb 02 16:52:52 DocScrutinizer, er, and Germany, Austria, Switzerland, Israel, South Korean, etc, etc. Feb 02 16:53:19 GAN:Especially nowadays, when law-abiding US citizens are go bonkers all over the place due to starting societal collapse Feb 02 16:53:25 s/are/ Feb 02 16:53:42 RST38h, s/collapse/values shift/ Feb 02 16:53:57 GAN: Drives 'em nuts all thesame. Feb 02 16:54:55 RST38h, societal changes usually do. Feb 02 16:55:11 sure, guns are fun, killing is business, business is good Feb 02 16:55:20 GAN: Ironically, it does not matter to bystanders what has driven the mad gunman nuts. Feb 02 16:55:48 RST38h, that misses the point. Feb 02 16:55:48 Whether it is personal, or political, or he the vending machine behind the corner told him to shoot people Feb 02 16:56:21 GAN: It does not: you look at things case-by-case. I look at statstics. Feb 02 16:56:37 When you look at statistics, things tend to... change. Feb 02 16:58:18 RST38h, lunatic with a gun is an edge case. Feb 02 16:58:41 RST38h, I'm around dozens of gun owners a day, nobody's shot anybody yet. Feb 02 16:59:59 I bet it has been absolute fun for the helicopter pilot to shoot down that Reuters reporter in Iraq with 2" cannon. He probably bragged with the number of kills after his flight. And I hope you feel good when he's back home, living next to your door, and goes buying some .45 gun 'for fun' Feb 02 17:00:10 Just takes one Feb 02 17:00:33 Doc: Hey, he can probably buy the 2" cannon. Feb 02 17:00:42 sure Feb 02 17:00:54 They won't sell him the avionics package, but what the hell? :) Feb 02 17:01:31 People do stupid shit Feb 02 17:01:40 Edge cases Feb 02 17:01:50 And that is exactly why you do not want to let them do too much stupid shit Feb 02 17:02:00 yeah, 99% edge cases. DAMN Feb 02 17:02:16 Especially in densely populated areas. If they do stupid shit on the countryside, that is generally ok Feb 02 17:02:37 DocScrutinizer, that's an appeal to emotions which is particularly relevant. Feb 02 17:02:49 RST38h, alternative is the problem Feb 02 17:04:03 here in my posse/quarter I have to walk really far to meet the next non-edge-case person Feb 02 17:04:10 GAN: There is plenty of alternatives Feb 02 17:04:19 GAN: You do not have to prohibit ALL guns Feb 02 17:04:31 RST38h, where do you draw the line? Feb 02 17:04:43 That's the slippery slope of all things like that Feb 02 17:04:44 GAN: Personally, I would draw it at automatic weaponry Feb 02 17:05:09 GAN: And *still* require a signed psychologic evaluation for anything below that Feb 02 17:05:40 With the psychologist signing the evaluation responsible if something goes wrong Feb 02 17:06:25 Would probably prohibit carrying guns in large cities, too, but it is already done anyway Feb 02 17:06:56 It always tends towards more control Feb 02 17:07:05 We don't have to ban ALL drugs. Feb 02 17:07:25 GAN: I think the battle against "control" should start elsewhere Feb 02 17:07:38 GAN: Forget the guns for now. Look at the schools. Feb 02 17:07:59 GAN: Where they can ban a child from school for bringing a *toy* gun or kissing a girl Feb 02 17:09:42 http://swns.com/tourist-ordered-off-flight-because-of-toy-soldiers-three-inch-replica-gun-271200.html Feb 02 17:10:21 RST38h, "this person disagrees with me politically. Crazy!" Feb 02 17:12:36 * alterego yawns Feb 02 17:13:29 WTF?! that idiot, couldn't he bring a *real* gun to school. Probably he'd get away with that. But a *toy*... tztzztzz Feb 02 17:15:55 GAN: That too, by the way Feb 02 17:16:18 Worse: "This person is Jewish. CRAZY!" Feb 02 17:16:22 GAN: But I guess labelling political opponents is somewhat normal around the world Feb 02 17:16:39 GAN: Same and antisemitism, unfortunately Feb 02 17:16:48 s/and/as Feb 02 17:16:58 RST38h: so don't give psychologists the power over people's ownership of force. :) Feb 02 17:17:18 GAN: Well, you can always choose a psychologist Feb 02 17:17:39 But, again, I do not think the gun ownership or non-ownership is the biggest issue at the moment Feb 02 17:18:44 RST38h: Well, it's the core guarantor of future freedom. Feb 02 17:18:51 Without that, you really have nothing else. Feb 02 17:19:17 GAN: Naah, that is what NRA may like you to think Feb 02 17:19:48 RST38h: certainly a lot easier to guarantee your freedom with a .308. Feb 02 17:20:23 GAN: But there are plenty scenarios where you still have you gun and every government/corporation official uses you for a rag Feb 02 17:20:39 RST38h: sure, but when it comes down to it you still have force as an option. Feb 02 17:20:46 When you no longer have that option at all, that's a problem. Feb 02 17:21:11 GAN: Hey, you are not going to revolt. Even if you did, the government has got much bigger guns, so your chances are nul Feb 02 17:21:20 RST38h: hardly Feb 02 17:21:32 Citizen soldiers aren't particularly inclined to start killing their friends and neighbors. Feb 02 17:21:45 So, I have no idea what you are going to do with the gun that you cannot more effectively do with, lets us say, a modified Caterpillar Feb 02 17:22:06 GAN: They are not? Hmmm... =) Feb 02 17:22:57 RST38h: again, edge cases. Feb 02 17:23:12 force as an option? Sure, as every of the successful revolutions happening recently had success just because the demonstrants all had their own rifles to fight the police/army Feb 02 17:24:43 guys but the usb provided with the phone, is an usb 1.0 or 2.0? Feb 02 17:25:14 deno: 2 Feb 02 17:25:16 2.0 (obviously?) Feb 02 17:25:20 uhm Feb 02 17:25:29 demonstrants shot in Iran, in Egypt, nobody shot in eastern Berlin, yeah, all just because people had rifles aka "force" Feb 02 17:25:33 I'm speaking about usb host mode Feb 02 17:26:23 deno: USB hostmode h-e-n has low speed (1.0), full speed (1.1) and high speed (2.0) Feb 02 17:26:23 is it possible that the driver doesn't use the maximum possible speed? Feb 02 17:26:49 yes Feb 02 17:26:54 uhm Feb 02 17:26:55 if the cable is shitty Feb 02 17:26:56 and usb 3.0 has LUDICROUS SPEED Feb 02 17:27:18 I'm speaking about the maximum speed of the usb 2.0 Feb 02 17:27:24 the cable should be ok Feb 02 17:27:28 kerio: go suggest it to USB.cert Feb 02 17:27:54 kerio, thats only if you use a plaid cable Feb 02 17:29:44 deno: It might well be the case that the whole system in N900 can't sustain a speed of 480Mb/s, but that's not exactly a driver problem then Feb 02 17:30:22 DocScrutinizer, ok cool Feb 02 17:30:29 thank you for the info :) Feb 02 17:30:47 deno: e.g you neither can read nor write eMMC at that speed I guess Feb 02 17:31:06 DocScrutinizer: /dev/zero should be fast enough Feb 02 17:31:12 maybe Feb 02 17:31:39 you could do a dd if=zero of/null and see what it reports Feb 02 17:31:57 DocScrutinizer, but is it a problem of the hen project or just of the phone Feb 02 17:32:00 ? Feb 02 17:32:02 s./.=. Feb 02 17:32:18 deno: the phone Feb 02 17:32:40 DocScrutinizer, ok Feb 02 17:32:56 DocScrutinizer, thx Feb 02 17:32:59 yw Feb 02 17:33:09 DocScrutinizer, uhm Feb 02 17:33:24 (sorry for the questions but I'm trying to understand well) Feb 02 17:33:39 could it be solved overclocking the cpu? Feb 02 17:33:47 up to 1Ghz for example Feb 02 17:34:06 depends on where's the bottleneck Feb 02 17:34:59 DocScrutinizer, if is not the cpu, what could be? Feb 02 17:35:03 it* Feb 02 17:35:07 deno: why not say what you're trying to do? as he said, if you're trying to transfer a file, the flash memory just isn't that fast Feb 02 17:36:02 DocScrutinizer: i get 275mb here :| Feb 02 17:36:10 although with the default block size Feb 02 17:36:38 yeah, it's better with 1m Feb 02 17:36:46 6.7GB/s Feb 02 17:37:28 anybody on the Three network in the UK? Feb 02 17:37:42 used to be Feb 02 17:38:03 They have started to charge money if you go above the 1GB limit. Feb 02 17:38:25 it wasnt the case before afaik Feb 02 17:38:32 nice Feb 02 17:38:38 * haltdef pats giffgaff Feb 02 17:39:05 haltdef: giffgaff, no limits? Feb 02 17:39:14 200MB/day fup Feb 02 17:39:38 haltdef: that is nice Feb 02 17:39:50 villager, yes I'm transferring data at high speed.. is not possible the internal memory? Feb 02 17:39:51 looking for a decent data only plan now, getting a viliv n5 3g for alongside n900 Feb 02 17:42:09 haltdef: £15 plan on giffgaff looks good. Unlimited internet=200MB/day ? and do they still piggy back on O2? Feb 02 17:42:21 yes and yes Feb 02 17:42:40 deno: if you can tune the access pattern for the internal memory, you can probably get the transfer faster... Feb 02 17:42:50 had no coverage problems, exeter area Feb 02 17:43:06 haltdef: on three? Feb 02 17:43:22 i'm on t-mobile and they suck where i live and where i work Feb 02 17:43:23 haltdef: cambridge outskirts, hardly get an O2 signal Feb 02 17:43:24 giffgaff/o2 Feb 02 17:43:32 o2 is decent-ish Feb 02 17:43:57 villager, cool Feb 02 17:46:12 £10/mo tablet plan on vodafone could be decent Feb 02 17:46:18 hear their network's the fastest Feb 02 17:46:20 trumee: O2loop internet-L = 5GB/month, 25Eur Feb 02 17:46:58 trumee: O2loop internet-M = 1GB/month, 10Eur Feb 02 17:47:43 i need some free minutes as well. Feb 02 17:47:44 I got a £5/month 500GB SIM from O2 Feb 02 17:47:48 that's PAYG Feb 02 17:47:59 pay monthly Feb 02 17:48:10 monthly contract (for the £5/month thing) Feb 02 17:48:12 err WUT? 500GB Feb 02 17:48:34 is enough for casual browsing over the phone link Feb 02 17:48:41 LOL Feb 02 17:48:57 There's wifi round here you know ;) Feb 02 17:49:03 thx guyes Feb 02 17:49:06 guys for the info Feb 02 17:49:13 lardman: GIGA??? Feb 02 17:49:15 or crap Feb 02 17:49:20 * lardman realises his error Feb 02 17:49:38 * lardman scales back by ~1e3 Feb 02 17:49:42 :( Feb 02 17:50:15 lol @ 500GB monthly 'casual browsing' Feb 02 17:50:29 lol Feb 02 17:50:33 well yeah, I guess if you casually browse HD movies :) Feb 02 17:50:54 * lardman goes back to cursing the MS C compiler's craptastic error messages Feb 02 17:51:01 well my computer can manage 6.5gb/s, so... Feb 02 17:51:15 I mean really: "fde25code_mex.c(998) : error C2059: syntax error : 'for'" Feb 02 17:51:27 lardman: use a while loop Feb 02 17:51:29 lardman, pastebin! Feb 02 17:51:40 >3k lines Feb 02 17:51:42 kerio, loops are for wimps. Feb 02 17:51:51 the fragment around line 998 Feb 02 17:51:56 yes, manually unroll before compiling :) Feb 02 17:52:09 kerio, recursion and hope the stack is big enough Feb 02 17:52:24 kerio: huh what? you have a computer that could stuff a 6.5 gigabit/s uplink?? Feb 02 17:52:36 o_O Feb 02 17:52:59 whats the wireless bandwidth for the new graphics cards? Feb 02 17:53:13 i notice it has so many antennas it looks like a punk Feb 02 17:53:19 chx: well, dd if=/dev/zero of=/dev/null bs=1m said 6.5GB/s Feb 02 17:54:06 6.7 actually Feb 02 17:54:19 kerio, that is not much use Feb 02 17:54:46 I SAID MY COMPUTER CAN HANDLE 6.7GB/s SHUT UP Feb 02 17:55:31 mine can handle over 9000 Feb 02 17:56:03 jacekowski: prove it Feb 02 17:56:24 10485760000 bytes (10 GB) copied, 0.875556 s, 12.0 GB/s Feb 02 17:56:41 o_O Feb 02 17:57:00 jacekowski: ;_; Feb 02 17:57:41 but that's just plain memory copy Feb 02 17:57:48 yeah Feb 02 17:57:55 FUCKING DDR3, HOW DO THEY WORK Feb 02 17:58:08 well you have dual channel in first place Feb 02 17:58:16 that makes them go 2x as fast Feb 02 17:58:33 lcuk: 60 ghz Feb 02 17:58:37 lcuk: if you mean WiDi Feb 02 17:58:56 and it's 64bits wide Feb 02 17:59:12 and x2 for double data rate Feb 02 17:59:15 chx WHDI, 60hz 1080p over wireless Feb 02 17:59:16 doesnt matter, you can (only?) have 2Gbit network link Feb 02 17:59:21 so you have 64x2x2xclock Feb 02 17:59:26 http://tech.slashdot.org/story/11/01/12/1429259/Wireless-GeForce-Graphics-Card-Announced Feb 02 17:59:49 jacekowski: i'm on a laptop Feb 02 17:59:54 i can't exactly change the mobo Feb 02 18:00:02 well, you probably still have dual channel Feb 02 18:00:25 so you have 1066MHz clock Feb 02 18:00:36 so it's 1066MHzx64bitsx2x2 Feb 02 18:00:37 so that's Feb 02 18:00:41 "I don't see anything about encryption. Are you supposed to broadcast your donkey porn to the neighbor in the open?" Feb 02 18:00:43 hahahaha Feb 02 18:00:56 27Gbits/s Feb 02 18:00:58 hmm Feb 02 18:01:00 that's wrong Feb 02 18:08:08 lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/WirelessHD Feb 02 18:08:22 lcuk: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Wireless_Home_Digital_Interface this? Feb 02 18:08:35 lcuk: 5ghz Feb 02 18:10:06 according to that article, it will be the 3Gbit/s one Feb 02 18:10:13 thats a lot of data OTA Feb 02 18:10:20 no wonder theres so many antennas Feb 02 18:10:35 that odd error was caused by an extra } finishing the fn early Feb 02 18:10:59 shame the compiler doesn't bother to tell you that you've got program statements hanging around without a fn wrapping them Feb 02 18:11:04 lardman, my head feels like that today Feb 02 18:11:35 converting from MATLAB single line array ops to lots of for loops is somewhat error prone in my experience Feb 02 18:12:02 lardman, the error code "C2059" is probably marked as "Make lardman curse in a number of years because he missed the }" :P Feb 02 18:12:14 lol Feb 02 18:12:48 what are you porting? Feb 02 18:12:54 it was only when I pulled the for loop to pieces and noticed a warning about unused variables (which were in the for loop) that I twigged Feb 02 18:13:01 heat simulation code Feb 02 18:13:52 lardman, >> http://twitter.com/lcuk/status/32456566544269312 Feb 02 18:14:31 :) Feb 02 18:14:53 I've been having some interesting conversations with Nokia Repair Feb 02 18:15:13 I sent my original N900 in to see if they would repair it and what it might cost Feb 02 18:15:16 they do MATLAB->C support too? Feb 02 18:15:40 and got a phone call from a rather officious chap who apparently thought I'd stolen the phone as it was property of Nokia :) Feb 02 18:15:51 eek! Feb 02 18:15:58 no, and apparently they don't fix proto machines either Feb 02 18:16:00 Heh Feb 02 18:16:26 I told him that I'd not and told him who to contact in Nokia Feb 02 18:16:35 Heh Feb 02 18:16:37 haha Feb 02 18:16:54 today I got another call saying that they were keeping the phone, to which I asked whether they would return it to the chap who'd given it to me as that was part of the deal Feb 02 18:16:59 they were not quite sure Feb 02 18:17:08 Heh Feb 02 18:17:12 very odd Feb 02 18:17:26 Is this your Amsterdam loaner? Feb 02 18:17:33 I was told "it's going to escalate to the management", to which I answered fine Feb 02 18:17:45 lardman, :D Feb 02 18:17:48 alterego: no, pre-Amsterdam, I didn't bother with an Amsterdam one Feb 02 18:17:56 Ah, m'kay. Feb 02 18:18:14 Well, at least you still have one ;) Feb 02 18:18:31 yes, many thanks to Quim for sorting that out Feb 02 18:18:46 alterego, are your batteries charged up and stuff for tonight? :D Feb 02 18:18:53 Yeah Feb 02 18:18:57 Got power too :P Feb 02 18:19:03 To be honest I'm in a bit of a bad mood Feb 02 18:19:05 lcuk: when's this London get-together then? Feb 02 18:19:14 or wherever Feb 02 18:19:23 So I'm gonna have to put on a brave face and just get through it. Feb 02 18:20:24 alterego, walk in the park, I am only miffed at not being there myself tonight Feb 02 18:20:36 i just couldnt face a journey like that today Feb 02 18:21:05 Yeah, well, I packed all my stuff up this morning and moved back in with my parents because I split up with my (ex)gf Feb 02 18:21:33 Think I'm going to be sour for a bit. Feb 02 18:22:06 oh dear, sorry to hear that Feb 02 18:22:32 It's okay, I'll get over it eventually. Just wish she'd stop ringing me for apparently no reason. Feb 02 18:22:36 alterego: is "lol pwnt" too soon? Feb 02 18:22:43 kerio: :P Feb 02 18:22:47 also who decided to split up? Feb 02 18:22:59 I ditched her because she cheated on me on Saturday. Feb 02 18:23:18 2 years of my life wasted on that cow Feb 02 18:23:20 * alterego chuckles. Feb 02 18:23:37 ok, so it's time to man up, hit the gym and quit facebook Feb 02 18:23:42 lol Feb 02 18:23:46 Hah Feb 02 18:23:56 f*cking facebook. Feb 02 18:24:09 I have been thinking of deleting my account tbh Feb 02 18:24:24 Is that like a natural reaction after splitting up with someone :D Feb 02 18:24:35 alterego, delete it. Feb 02 18:24:36 isn't it lawyer up? Feb 02 18:25:15 alterego: no - deleting her account is. Feb 02 18:25:21 Heh Feb 02 18:25:35 http://xkcd.com/215/ Feb 02 18:25:36 keep your account and start posting photos Feb 02 18:26:01 Heh Feb 02 18:26:06 I'm trying not to be harsh Feb 02 18:26:37 alterego, something along the lines of "I'm sorry, I didn't mean it."? *ega* Feb 02 18:26:49 Heh Feb 02 18:28:06 kerio, hitting the gym sounds like a plan. Feb 02 18:28:19 * GAN900 went running last night for the first time in weeks. Feb 02 18:29:56 alterego: Never know, maybe you'll hit the gym, and across the room, it's love at first sight with a glaswegian bodybuilder named Steve. Feb 02 18:30:15 no no, steve is mine! Feb 02 18:30:25 Kinky Feb 02 18:30:34 Who has his steroid use _COMPLETELY_UNDER_CONTROL_ Feb 02 18:30:50 :) Feb 02 18:30:55 only one reason to run, and that's to make it to the bar before the bell rings for last orders Feb 02 18:30:55 he totaly does, he hasn't hit me in weeks Feb 02 18:33:09 guys using the usb host mode am I able to get a 50 MB/s stream (nokia n900) ? Feb 02 18:33:22 50MB/s? Feb 02 18:33:26 SpeedEvil, yes Feb 02 18:33:27 what do you mean? Feb 02 18:33:39 SpeedEvil, a data transfer Feb 02 18:34:02 at 50 MB/s (it's only an hypothesis) Feb 02 18:34:09 a* Feb 02 18:34:26 lardman, also: drugs. Feb 02 18:34:32 lardman, endorphine release. :P Feb 02 18:34:44 I think so. I know there are some performace issues, but that's ~10% of USB2s bandwidth,so it should be fine. Feb 02 18:34:55 GAN900: only joking don't worry, though I don't much like running Feb 02 18:35:08 lardman, swimming? Feb 02 18:35:43 nah, I do Aikido and a fair bit of walking when I actually need to get somewhere, prefer to do something rather than travelling in circles Feb 02 18:35:48 Ah Feb 02 18:35:52 Hehe Feb 02 18:36:06 that's my biggest problem with running and swimming, unless you're going somewhere? Feb 02 18:36:10 s/?/ Feb 02 18:36:27 SpeedEvil, "I know there are some performace issue" what do you mean? that it doesn't work well Feb 02 18:36:28 ? Feb 02 18:36:30 so I happily swim in the sea to see stuff, but not so keen on swimming pools Feb 02 18:36:54 deno: There are technical bandwidth limits on the USB host, as I understand it. What do you want to get working? Feb 02 18:37:19 phew, compiled at last Feb 02 18:37:23 * lardman heads for homw Feb 02 18:37:31 lardman, it's about the journey, not the destination? :P Feb 02 18:37:33 SpeedEvil, yes I'm speaking about those technical bandwith limits.. how can I get more info? Feb 02 18:37:36 cu chaps later assuming I do some Meego/Tab hacking Feb 02 18:37:50 \o lardman Feb 02 18:37:50 GAN900: it's always about the destination with me! :) Feb 02 18:37:57 Hehe Feb 02 18:38:02 Home? *g* Feb 02 18:38:09 yeah, am at work Feb 02 18:38:24 hmm, getting late now, gone 6.30 Feb 02 18:38:27 deno: #maemo-hostmode-discussion - though I don't think anyoens there right now Feb 02 18:39:15 SpeedEvil, thx :) Feb 02 18:39:21 I'm going home now Feb 02 18:39:22 see you! Feb 02 18:39:25 thx for the help Feb 02 19:10:15 re Feb 02 19:10:40 GAN900: bit slow this evening, only got the bit about "home" as I walked out of the office Feb 02 19:11:14 lardman, the pitfalls of text-only communication Feb 02 19:11:25 yep :) Feb 02 19:46:27 Hi. Having two rotation problems. One is that it rotates when I don't want it to! E.g. X-terminal. I tried Shift-Ctrl-R to toggle to Don't-Rotate but it doesn't seem to work most of the time. Is there another way? Some GUI setting? Feb 02 19:46:39 Sorry; to clarify: talking about N900 on Maemo PR 1.2 Feb 02 19:47:41 mine never rotates Feb 02 19:47:43 it's stupid anyway Feb 02 19:59:10 kwtm: why do you think that X-Terminal supports rotation? Feb 02 19:59:42 andre__: Because it rotates. Even though I don't want it to. Feb 02 20:00:40 ah, sorry, misread your line Feb 02 20:00:43 interesting Feb 02 20:12:48 Okay... will now ask my other question: in rotated mode, the top line ("status line"? whatever) doesn't work. In particular, tapping on the battery/clock/phone signal strength bar fails to bring up the menu for things like "connect to the Internet" (which is pretty important). Anyone else experience this problem? Feb 02 20:13:43 kwtm, it is not implemented. Feb 02 20:14:10 andre__: That would explain things. Thanks for info. I take it it's also not implemented for Maemo PR 1.3 (ie. current version)? Feb 02 20:14:14 see https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=5445 Feb 02 20:14:17 Bug 5445: Status menu not available in portrait mode Feb 02 20:14:18 no, it is not. Feb 02 20:15:34 odd that it rotates at all really Feb 02 20:15:57 or maybe I've never had the xterm open with the kb closed? Feb 02 20:23:41 there is anything special I need to do to make autobuilder able to compile a qt home widget ? Feb 02 20:50:52 it's only midday wednesday here and i'm already frustrated enough with the week to want to hurt small mammals Feb 02 20:51:00 should be full sized mammals by friday Feb 02 20:51:09 * Proteous hides his hamster Feb 02 20:52:16 maybe should settle for a bird... chinatown sells them live, and people don't get all too upset about that Feb 02 20:53:15 why not start directly with humans? Feb 02 20:53:20 what did birdie do? Feb 02 20:54:28 the birdie doesn't carry a prison sentence Feb 02 20:55:25 cruelty to animals Feb 02 20:55:34 does carry some nastiness Feb 02 20:56:18 yes, but disposing of dead animals isn't that suspicious, especially a chicken that is suitable for eating Feb 02 20:58:56 maybe at the end of the week i'll move up to humans that people don't care about.... prostitutes, homeless, and customer service reps Feb 02 21:03:07 People care about homeless. Feb 02 21:03:12 Prostitutes, too. Feb 02 21:03:20 Not sure about the CSRs. Feb 02 21:13:12 xnt14: ping! Feb 02 21:13:14 kwtm: none of the usual kbd shortcuts is supposed to work in xterm. See ctrl-C (copy, or sigint) Feb 02 21:13:43 is mcspthe same thing as cssu??? Feb 02 21:14:39 or is it just attila playing official? Feb 02 21:15:57 achipa playing official :P Feb 02 21:16:40 eh... Feb 02 21:16:50 how come Ctrl-C would work in Xterm? Feb 02 21:16:55 that's BREAK in any shell Feb 02 21:18:32 if we're talking about vte here you have to mark and then go to menu -> Copy Feb 02 21:18:38 and have to press the arrow button first to mark Feb 02 21:18:41 (select) Feb 02 21:22:38 DocScrutinizer: How does one turn off rotation for either the entire phone or for any particular application? Feb 02 21:23:56 no idea. probably using that magic shortcut in an app that doesn't have raw kbd input like xterm does. Feb 02 21:24:04 (without using keyboard...) Feb 02 21:24:16 No, tried the magic shortcut in other apps already. Hmm... Feb 02 21:24:19 Okay, thanks anyway. Feb 02 21:24:31 never heard of any other way than kbd shortcut Feb 02 21:25:05 Okay, unrelated question: is there a calendar app for the N900 that can sync with Google Calendar? Feb 02 21:25:36 this really seems #1 in FAQ. Alas I have no answer Feb 02 21:26:38 kwtm what exactly rotates in your phone? Feb 02 21:26:54 I bet somebody else here does, though Feb 02 21:27:08 kwtm: there is a google calendar sync app, erminig Feb 02 21:27:23 hi guys... any bash guru here? Feb 02 21:27:24 DocScrutinizer: Ctrl-C, Ctrl-V, Ctrl-X has different meanings in a Unix environment. So any terminal application can't use them for copy/paste/cut Feb 02 21:27:28 have Feb 02 21:27:40 I'm not a guru but I can try to help you in ash Feb 02 21:27:41 I'm well aware of that Feb 02 21:27:42 bash Feb 02 21:27:56 CTRL+SHIFT+C ftw Feb 02 21:28:09 well it's a tricky question, not related to Maemo... it's the way bash executes commands like `/bin/true` Feb 02 21:28:11 i.e. subshells Feb 02 21:28:32 Sc0rpius: Currently, nothing --although I'm not sure exactly what I did to turn it off. When it does rotate, then everything rotates, quite irritatingly. So: email, phone, Xterm (right in the middle of an ebook...) etc. Ctrl-Shift-R seems to have no effect. Tried multiple combinations with keyboard closed/open. Feb 02 21:28:41 anidel: what aspect of executing commands are you wanting more info on? Feb 02 21:28:54 say I want to do this loop: Feb 02 21:29:01 The whole screen spends 50% of its time doing the flash "rotate screen" animation. So eventually I just get sick and tired and just open the keyboard to force no rotate. Feb 02 21:29:14 After a while, it stops doing that but not sure what the trigger is. Feb 02 21:29:20 while `/bin/true` ; do ( cd $DIR; $RUN_COMMAND) & done; Feb 02 21:29:21 kwtm are you sure you didn't install an application for that? 'cos native Maemo desktop doesn't rotate. Only phone & Photos applications Feb 02 21:29:24 Wasn't there some GUI setting I could use for "do rotate". Feb 02 21:29:34 and before that I want to trap SIGCHLD: Feb 02 21:29:40 trap bail_out 17 Feb 02 21:29:57 avoid signal numbers Feb 02 21:29:59 this WORKS fine in bash.. if the command in ( ) SIGCHLDs it's trapped Feb 02 21:30:06 Sc0rpius: Hmm... I didn't do it deliberately. Maybe it's not Xterm but the PDF reader? I can't be sure now but I don't want to activate it again to test because it's such a hassle to turn off. Feb 02 21:30:08 thjat's not the point, yeah I know that... Feb 02 21:30:10 the issue is Feb 02 21:30:16 the script has Feb 02 21:30:25 #!/bin/sh at the beginning Feb 02 21:30:29 kwtm: every application has a setting for rotation, it's not a global thing, unless you install an app for that Feb 02 21:30:34 ok Feb 02 21:30:36 in ubuntu that's dash... Feb 02 21:30:39 Okay, if there's no easy way, I'll just deal with it, and open the keyboard when I do. Feb 02 21:30:52 you can change it to #!/bin/bash or whatever your bash is installed, right? Feb 02 21:30:52 now the SIGCHLD is sent when /bin/true exits! Feb 02 21:30:55 and bails out! Feb 02 21:31:07 yeah but I can't go that path here.. Feb 02 21:31:14 Sc0rpius: I was aware that each app has a rotation setting, but I wasn't sure why it wasn't responding. Also because my N900 takes about 3-6 seconds to respond (that's another story altogether --don't even get me started). Feb 02 21:31:20 you don't have bash installed nor you can install it? Feb 02 21:31:20 so I am not sure now Feb 02 21:31:28 yeah, sure. waiting for SIGCHLD is a weird idea anyway Feb 02 21:31:36 if bash and dash behave differently when seeing the `...` Feb 02 21:31:42 or sorry br Feb 02 21:31:43 brb Feb 02 21:32:11 all Ubuntus have /bin/bash... Feb 02 21:32:15 Thanks, though. Feb 02 21:32:17 you don't have to deal with dash Feb 02 21:32:32 Okay, off to job interview. Bye all! Feb 02 21:32:38 good louck with that kwtm Feb 02 21:32:40 SIGCHLD is sent whenever *any* child process terminates Feb 02 21:32:40 luck Feb 02 21:32:41 good luck Feb 02 21:32:43 thx Feb 02 21:32:51 it's not restricted to subshells Feb 02 21:33:39 modest is changing PIDs it's weird, maybe it's crashing and restarting Feb 02 21:33:41 and that's not good. Feb 02 21:36:19 anidel: a shell is starting child processes all the time. If you want to check/trap a particular process quitting, you need other methods than a trap on SIGCHLD Feb 02 21:36:45 definitely. Feb 02 21:37:44 anidel: e.g ``(start_child; kill -SIGUSR1 `ppid`)& Feb 02 21:38:13 is everyone on tmo fscking crazy? =) Feb 02 21:38:28 yes? Feb 02 21:38:30 yes! Feb 02 21:38:31 yes, javispedro Feb 02 21:38:37 what's tmo anyway Feb 02 21:38:45 has it been different any time ? Feb 02 21:38:53 ~tmo Feb 02 21:38:53 I wear gloves and a mask when I surf there Feb 02 21:38:54 [tmo] http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Feb 02 21:39:27 let's make community-ovi, let's take Nokia b* down Feb 02 21:39:29 =) Feb 02 21:39:31 Proteous: Oh,so that gloved, masked lemming were you! Feb 02 21:39:48 ZogG: Not that difficult Feb 02 21:39:52 oh ok Feb 02 21:40:18 the latest flash craze is very entertaining. and to top it off yet another thread about medfield n9. Feb 02 21:40:33 SSShhh, I don't want ieatlint to kill me... Feb 02 21:40:34 ZogG: Two weeks of PHP and it is done Feb 02 21:41:00 javispedro: who cares... Feb 02 21:41:14 javispedro: LALALALALALALA I don't hear you (fingers in ears) Feb 02 21:41:59 Ok, the CSSU thread has been successfully overrun by screaming lemmings Feb 02 21:42:07 flash craze? Feb 02 21:42:09 DocScrutinizer, i herd the rumors that you don't surf or read internets, you just download them Feb 02 21:42:09 LOL Feb 02 21:42:24 Sc0rpius: zombie "flash 10.1" making a come back. Feb 02 21:42:46 yuck Feb 02 21:43:11 * DocScrutinizer starts a tmo thread "I got flash12, suckers :-P" Feb 02 21:43:24 flash updates in microb? very unlikely. Feb 02 21:43:30 * RST38h has flash10 installed btw Feb 02 21:43:33 javispedro, too old, flashover9000 is way cooler Feb 02 21:44:01 RST38h biatch =) Feb 02 21:44:15 RST38h, it's oe of the things i don't need but i do want =) Feb 02 21:44:17 RST38h: and you use it? :) Feb 02 21:44:21 That evaluation version offered at TI site is pretty much the same kind of build as our version 9, just a bit newer Feb 02 21:44:37 javispedro: not really, I rarely used it to begin with Feb 02 21:44:44 * javispedro knew Feb 02 21:44:51 javispedro:but it plays youtube crap and some games too Feb 02 21:44:55 RST38h: my condolences Feb 02 21:44:57 oh. Feb 02 21:45:06 the day they move youtube to f10 I'm fscked I guess. Feb 02 21:45:19 javispedro, but i liked that we only mobile that had flash to troll applefags =) Feb 02 21:45:22 we all will be fucked Feb 02 21:45:56 DocScrutinizer so are the rumors true? Feb 02 21:46:12 only mobile? Feb 02 21:46:27 ZogG: rumour is always true, i heard Feb 02 21:46:33 my gf has an old Nokia E51 and that old piece of crap can browse youtube no problems Feb 02 21:46:41 I think all Nokias have flash Feb 02 21:46:49 cool, man Feb 02 21:47:02 DocScrutinizer, as well as iheard Egypt had no internets as you stopped seeding it on your internet-torrents tracker Feb 02 21:47:45 nah, they just missed my announcement to switch over to p2p wlan network Feb 02 21:47:56 if anyone wants good internet you need to prey to DocScrutinizer and sacrifice 2 babies at the begining of every month for him Feb 02 21:47:58 then were surprised when the old crap gone down Feb 02 21:48:03 * javispedro ponders teasing the lemmings with screenshots of alternative OSes on N900, only to never say how to run them. Feb 02 21:48:40 DocScrutinizer, actually it was good that we could use their ipv4 as we were out of ours :) Feb 02 21:49:00 hehehe Feb 02 21:49:01 javispedro what do you mean? Feb 02 21:49:07 javispedro: they do not care, but fabricate some iphone game screenshots, and they will be sold Feb 02 21:49:17 every alternative OS on N900 sucks Feb 02 21:49:38 the only thing they do work is for show them off to friends Feb 02 21:50:45 Sc0rpius: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=UNo6pn-dnSQ should suffice for that Feb 02 21:52:53 omg vmware on extras-devel Feb 02 21:52:55 that "looks" nice but they are so friggin' slow is unbearable Feb 02 21:53:17 vmware- for wince? Feb 02 21:53:25 ;) Feb 02 21:53:54 hm Feb 02 21:53:56 Do I vaguely remember something about vmware on n810? Feb 02 21:54:04 see video above Feb 02 21:54:17 n800 Feb 02 21:54:22 ah Feb 02 21:54:41 running winCE and AndroiD Feb 02 21:55:02 good enough for show off Feb 02 21:55:14 ~curse HAM Feb 02 21:55:14 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, HAM ! Feb 02 21:55:35 ...maybe better as a Windows XP Software Center or so Feb 02 21:57:22 RST38h: MohammadAG: playing official what ? Feb 02 21:57:22 DocScrutinizer, no I need SIGCHLD to catch interrupts from the keyboard, do something then quit Feb 02 21:57:43 DocScrutinizer, I really don't get why the behavior is different from BASH and DASH Feb 02 21:57:46 SIGCHLD for kbd? o.O Feb 02 21:58:06 what's dash? Feb 02 21:58:19 a shell Ubuntu is using instead of sh Feb 02 21:58:24 do you mean messybox? Feb 02 21:58:26 nope Feb 02 21:58:45 slightly better than messybox, comes from some debian code Feb 02 21:58:54 anidel: you used signal number instead symbolic name? Feb 02 21:59:09 yes .. not sure it should matter.. let me check Feb 02 21:59:53 never use signal numbers. They differ from arch to arch Feb 02 21:59:57 yeah if I use CHLD is the same.. with dash it bails out when `/bin/true` quits, on bash it doesn't Feb 02 22:00:08 I know, this is the same arch, same machine... Feb 02 22:00:13 so it doesn't matter.. Feb 02 22:00:17 hmm Feb 02 22:00:32 in fact, I just used CHLD and same behavior.. it's dash and bash that behave differently... Feb 02 22:00:34 maybe dash is some messybox in disguise? Feb 02 22:00:44 no idea. never heard of it until today :) Feb 02 22:00:45 just don't use dash :) Feb 02 22:00:55 I can't... Feb 02 22:00:59 might be.... ie it might intercept call to true and run a builtin? Feb 02 22:01:02 unless our sysadmins agree :) Feb 02 22:01:21 or wait, probably bash is using internal true, even when you ask for /bin/true Feb 02 22:01:27 javispedro, probably.. how ` is called? ' is a quote, " is a double-quote and ` ? Feb 02 22:01:35 backtick Feb 02 22:01:46 DocScrutinizer, thought about that as well.. Feb 02 22:01:51 should be weird.. /bin/true is one thing.. .true is another Feb 02 22:02:07 yeah, it would be news if it was builtin-ing a call to /bin/true.. Feb 02 22:02:09 if I specify a path, it's because I want to be sure you run whatever is on the FS Feb 02 22:02:09 whatever, I'm sure your condept has worse problems than that Feb 02 22:02:27 never heard you need to trap SIGCHLD to get kbd input Feb 02 22:02:31 * javispedro goes watch some TV for a change Feb 02 22:02:43 I still don't get it why can't you choose your own shell, even if you're not root Feb 02 22:02:52 DocScrutinizer, well it was just to get all "weird" signals, 1, 3, 15, 16, 17 Feb 02 22:02:56 if you can edit the script, you can use whatever you want Feb 02 22:03:30 Sc0rpius, I can, but this is work related.. some constraints on the way we do things in here... we can , but we should branch off the script we're using Feb 02 22:03:52 and in our team we don't want that.. so.. was trying to understand what's the real issue here Feb 02 22:04:15 that's why I asked for a bash guru :) Feb 02 22:04:43 whatever, SIGCHLD gets sent from child to parent process when child quits. child may be any arbitrary process started by parent Feb 02 22:05:16 yep, that's why I think BASH is doing something particular with `/bin/true` Feb 02 22:05:56 that's why *I* think SIGCHLD is not the correct signal for any usecase faintly resembling yours Feb 02 22:06:01 can I install a previous version of any software using apt-get ? Feb 02 22:06:06 and not the latest one? Feb 02 22:06:23 Sc0rpius: if the previous one is still present in the repo then yes Feb 02 22:06:34 DocScrutinizer, we are also wondering that.. and we'll think about it... let's assume we need it. Feb 02 22:06:36 Sc0rpius: 'apt-get install thepackage=version' Feb 02 22:06:52 it's now a curiosity.. Feb 02 22:06:53 and how can I browse versions available in the repo using apt-cache? Feb 02 22:07:02 Sc0rpius: that I don't know. Feb 02 22:07:11 Sc0rpius: you can use the maemo.org package interface though Feb 02 22:07:14 when you need it, you must be happy with the way it works. Where's the problem then? Feb 02 22:07:39 it works differently in bash and dash .. I wanted to understand why Feb 02 22:08:16 well, read the source of bash and dash and you'll know for sure Feb 02 22:08:21 :D Feb 02 22:08:23 thanks :p Feb 02 22:08:51 apt-cache showpkg Feb 02 22:08:55 bash might implement monitoring of childs by its own Feb 02 22:09:03 dash might not Feb 02 22:09:15 it might... Feb 02 22:09:22 thank you Venemo it worked Feb 02 22:09:37 SIGCHLD isn't usually meant to be used in trap Feb 02 22:10:19 why not? if I want to monitor my childs why shouldn't I use it in trap? Feb 02 22:10:48 it's simply not explicitly masked out as there's nothing *bad* happening if you use a trap on SIGCHLD Feb 02 22:11:31 because there are better ways to monitor subshells. And monitoring child processes is a meaningless effort Feb 02 22:12:04 you can't possibly now all the cases one need to do something Feb 02 22:12:19 I might agree on this very specific case Feb 02 22:12:30 but I wouldn't rule it out a priori for all the cases out there Feb 02 22:12:32 anidel: bash: help wait Feb 02 22:13:30 it's completely academic Feb 02 22:13:34 indeed Feb 02 22:13:48 no purpose to learn about it, in RL Feb 02 22:14:04 no I know what you mean Feb 02 22:14:52 but in this case I am , as said, under constraints.. I didn't write the script, but I need to use it as is.. on the client machine sh -> bash and there's fine... on our test boxes sh -> dash and it doesn't even enter the loop. Feb 02 22:15:07 Understanding what exactly is different, helps and it's also academic Feb 02 22:15:20 no matter what one thinks about how things are done Feb 02 22:16:10 meh, find a way to make nonsense behave nonsensical on all shells then. Not my problem Feb 02 22:16:26 I'd still change the first line of the script and that's it Feb 02 22:16:48 oh come on...this was just a question of why the two shells behave differently, if you don't care then yeah it's not your problem... Feb 02 22:16:59 n need to be rude but come on Feb 02 22:17:01 now that's a STUPID question Feb 02 22:17:07 dash is a TOTAL different shell Feb 02 22:17:11 ,like csh, ash, ksh Feb 02 22:17:14 TOTALLY differents Feb 02 22:17:21 you should NEVER expect to behave them identically Feb 02 22:17:28 if you program for bash YOU HAVE TO USE BASH Feb 02 22:17:34 hi Feb 02 22:17:35 then go out and learn dash and program for that Feb 02 22:18:00 anybody know how i can tell fmms to scale the images it displays? Feb 02 22:18:10 Things are goind wrong here :) Feb 02 22:18:13 going.. Feb 02 22:18:22 if you write a script that could work on different shells Feb 02 22:18:28 wouldn't you learn these differences? Feb 02 22:18:41 I would.. and that's what I am trying to do here. Feb 02 22:18:46 this usecase is so bizzare not even bash manual writers bothered to explain it Feb 02 22:18:54 so why should you? Feb 02 22:19:14 I'm not offending.. you guys are pusshing in different directions and don't get that I just asked what could be different in invoking `/bin/true` in dash and bash. Feb 02 22:19:21 anidel: what are you trying to do? Feb 02 22:19:24 it's hard to write a script that works on different shells, that's why they invented, decades ago, the #! command in the first line. Feb 02 22:19:35 it's a completely useless command sequence, and when it works different in another shell, so be it Feb 02 22:20:00 I KNOW it's HARD.. that's why I went here , thought it would be something nice that would help understand a behaviour Feb 02 22:20:31 bash uses builtins frequently Feb 02 22:20:42 so what is this about? Feb 02 22:20:53 corecode, nothing fancy.. I have a trap that traps SIGCHLD and a while loop on `/bin/true`. The trap callback is called in dash when true exits, while in bash it is not. Trying to understand why Feb 02 22:20:53 also bash has quite sophisticated subprocess management Feb 02 22:21:10 see `help coproc` Feb 02 22:21:16 I know perfectly, when bash was born I was there. Feb 02 22:21:20 dash prolly hasn't Feb 02 22:21:23 and doesn't Feb 02 22:21:29 and that's why Feb 02 22:22:14 anidel: are you calling "true" or "/bin/true" or "command true"? Feb 02 22:22:19 /bin/true Feb 02 22:22:29 and bash replaces it with a builtin? Feb 02 22:22:33 well if you read the mans Feb 02 22:22:42 you can see that dash and bash implement command substitution differently Feb 02 22:22:47 that is using `command` Feb 02 22:23:01 in bash, it escapes to the current shell, execute the command Feb 02 22:23:17 in dash (from the man): The shell expands the command substitution by executing command in a subshell environment Feb 02 22:23:24 so when the subshell exits, you're fucked Feb 02 22:23:28 in bash, it's the same shell all the time Feb 02 22:23:35 fwiw, my linux bash will run the binary Feb 02 22:23:39 what I said Feb 02 22:23:59 because SIGCHLD... what DocScrutinizer said, it's for ANY child process Feb 02 22:24:02 not the one you want Feb 02 22:24:17 Sc0rpius, THAT is what I was looking into the MAN ... which section is that? Feb 02 22:24:33 I know about CHLD Feb 02 22:24:35 "Command substitution" look it up in both mans (bash & dash) Feb 02 22:24:52 in bash equals to escape to current shell Feb 02 22:24:57 in dash equals to fork to a subshell Feb 02 22:25:06 anidel: my bash will call the trap Feb 02 22:25:24 well, does Feb 02 22:25:36 only if i use /bin/true tho Feb 02 22:25:57 http://www.gnu.org/software/bash/manual/bashref.html#Command-Substitution ? Feb 02 22:26:18 alias /bin/true true Feb 02 22:26:26 MEH Feb 02 22:27:23 now compare that to dash Feb 02 22:27:35 who would EVER EVER EVER care about when a shell receives a SIGCHLD? o.O Feb 02 22:27:55 DocScrutinizer: i do Feb 02 22:28:00 wait.. here it just says that it executes COMMAND and substitutes it.. doesn't say how it executes it Feb 02 22:28:02 DocScrutinizer: i have scripts that use it Feb 02 22:28:23 now THAT script sure has to be interesting Feb 02 22:28:28 i don't know what you are arguing about Feb 02 22:28:33 and you have read about the wait statement? ;) Feb 02 22:28:46 yes, i use that too Feb 02 22:28:49 and job control Feb 02 22:29:26 DocScrutinizer: just because you can't think of a use doesn't mean that there are infinite very reasonable uses of that Feb 02 22:29:55 you know what I would do? Feb 02 22:30:03 instead of $COMMAND & Feb 02 22:30:07 I would write a wrapper Feb 02 22:30:24 a .sh that runs $COMMAND (without the &) and then send a trap when it's finished Feb 02 22:30:32 I tend to use my wetware cycles better than trying to figure differneces between shells for usecases that *might* be imaginable but I never ever will run into them Feb 02 22:31:00 anidel: so why doesn't it trap? Feb 02 22:31:16 DocScrutinizer: yea, you rather rant about it on irc Feb 02 22:31:21 buuuuuuurn Feb 02 22:31:22 so let say: ASSUMING you are FOR WHATEVER reason FORCED (or die) to use trap 17 (or trap CHLD)...and you run into this issue, WOULD you go and look at the difference between dash and bash? I would and went here to ask as I couldn't find it. After complaining about SOMETHING else, you guys finally gave me the answer "Command Subistitution". Thanks :) Feb 02 22:31:33 I suggested that before, Sc0rpius Feb 02 22:31:48 anidel: i would try it on both to make sure it works Feb 02 22:31:49 SIGUSR1 Feb 02 22:32:06 but i'm sure it will Feb 02 22:32:10 because this is basics Feb 02 22:32:12 corecode, I am not sure yet.. even if bash doesn't create a subshell it should still have a child to run /bin/true I guess it won't trap SIGCHLD Feb 02 22:32:36 anidel: i keep telling you, my bash traps SIGCHLD when i run /bin/true Feb 02 22:32:53 well I haven't tried that Feb 02 22:33:18 you can also just force a child Feb 02 22:33:21 by using () Feb 02 22:33:30 (true) will send a sigchld as well Feb 02 22:33:33 let's say I have an icepick and a bag of feathers, and I MUST smoke a pipe using those... what would I do.................. Feb 02 22:33:38 corecode, u tested like this: trap 17 then while `/bin/true` ; do sleep 1000; done Feb 02 22:33:44 sorry Feb 02 22:33:51 anidel: no, i test it like this: Feb 02 22:34:02 function bail_out () { echo bailed; exit} then trap bail_out 17 Feb 02 22:34:24 bye folks, that's getting too weird here Feb 02 22:34:28 heh Feb 02 22:34:46 DocScrutinizer, yes because you guys insisted in forcing your own opinions Feb 02 22:35:16 trap 'echo o hi' SIGCHLD Feb 02 22:35:16 and don't listen.. I said I AM FORCED to do that. Feb 02 22:35:17 no, because you insist in using a hammer to cook a chicken Feb 02 22:35:21 /bin/true Feb 02 22:35:28 I AM FORCED Feb 02 22:35:29 prints "o hi" Feb 02 22:35:33 first time I heard somebody is forced to use a specific shell Feb 02 22:35:36 Mmm, hammer cooked chicken Feb 02 22:35:38 at work Feb 02 22:35:43 ah.. come on now :) Feb 02 22:35:46 BS, I'll force you to walk on water Feb 02 22:35:48 I explained before Feb 02 22:35:53 anidel: i don't think these folks here are useful Feb 02 22:36:01 amazing :) Feb 02 22:36:04 anidel: tell me which other # you're in and i can chat with you there Feb 02 22:36:05 go to your boss and ask how to do it Feb 02 22:36:06 it's so simple... Feb 02 22:36:30 anidel: or do you prefer convincing the internet that they are wrong? Feb 02 22:36:41 "boss, I *MUST* walk on water, I'm FORCED to do it. Why doesn't it work when it's above 0°C?" Feb 02 22:36:45 this is a old script that we are using EVERYWHERE and don't want to change unless we need to.. is it so difficult to undestand that? :) Feb 02 22:36:55 i see Feb 02 22:36:57 ok.. anyway time to go home.. corecode thanks for your support Feb 02 22:37:07 it works here, that's all i can say Feb 02 22:37:29 corecode gives it the "works on my machine" seal of approval Feb 02 22:37:32 wait I'll paste you in pastebin corecode Feb 02 22:37:45 DocScrutinizer: "you don't have enough SYNERGY!!" Feb 02 22:38:26 corecode, http://pastebin.com/j1E4ieX5 Feb 02 22:38:28 works? Feb 02 22:38:34 yeah, if only you moved this to the cloud you'd be fine Feb 02 22:38:52 that's /bin/sh Feb 02 22:38:53 not bash Feb 02 22:39:13 why are you using backticks? Feb 02 22:39:14 DocScrutinizer, Sc0rpius I understand your point but it's like saying "don't use Linux then and use Windows" Feb 02 22:39:30 if you don't get a reason behind something, just accept it... that was it Feb 02 22:39:41 javispedro: I'm just getting angry when somebody comes with a borked to the bones concept and wants help to put it to work, rather than fix the BS in foundation Feb 02 22:39:42 corecode, I'm not.. that's the script :) Feb 02 22:39:51 anyway.. running ttyl Feb 02 22:40:37 well I always say to everybody to use Windows. Feb 02 22:40:41 less headaches Feb 02 22:40:53 anidel: you need set -m Feb 02 22:41:04 anidel: you need to switch on job control to get the traps Feb 02 22:41:26 anidel: if you'd ask me how to make foobar-shooter-win7 work, then yes, you'd get exactly that answer Feb 02 22:41:58 "use windows for a wndows game" Feb 02 22:42:01 DocScrutinizer: nothing is broken. works within the specifications Feb 02 22:42:14 DocScrutinizer: shell can trap. shell can trap! shell can trap. Feb 02 22:42:19 I see, that's why he came here Feb 02 22:42:30 IT'S A TRAP Feb 02 22:42:42 it's a troll Feb 02 22:42:46 well, i came here to wonder how i can zoom in on a mms image Feb 02 22:42:59 and also how to get the animation shown Feb 02 22:43:04 corecode: it was clearly a trap then Feb 02 22:43:11 save it and preview it with another software? Feb 02 22:43:34 Sc0rpius: you have an idea which software to use? Feb 02 22:43:43 well, no Feb 02 22:44:27 oh wow. gtk can't show animated gifs by default Feb 02 22:46:03 in my old flat I found stomping on the floor opened the door of the living room. I'm aware that's not supposed to work anywhere, but now we moved to a new flat and my boss err wife got used to it. So how would I make the door in new flat behave? Feb 02 22:47:07 plonk Feb 02 22:47:27 alterego: what was the command to install something on MADDE sysroot? Feb 02 22:49:22 is it okay to set a password for user or will that break the system? Feb 02 22:50:26 btw while true; do $COMMAD&; done # o.O isn't that the genuine forkbomb? WTF?? Feb 02 22:50:44 that is, yes Feb 02 22:50:52 not bomb Feb 02 22:50:56 but close Feb 02 22:51:11 depends on content of $COMMAD :-P Feb 02 22:51:56 COMMAD=$0; #forkbomd armed Feb 02 22:54:20 and no trap on SIGCHLD will get that moster back into the bottle Feb 02 22:56:31 the boss really must hate anidel Feb 02 22:58:53 corecode: I set a password for root Feb 02 22:59:05 corecode: dunno about user Feb 02 23:00:00 aah no, actually I have set the password for user as well, but it's mostly useless (except for ssh) Feb 02 23:00:17 so yes, you can set user password Feb 02 23:00:22 ok Feb 02 23:00:26 yes, i ment to ssh in Feb 02 23:00:31 to hack on fmms Feb 02 23:00:43 and you can fix sudoers.conf to put root password to purpose Feb 02 23:01:49 s/.conf// Feb 02 23:01:50 DocScrutinizer meant: and you can fix sudoers to put root password to purpose Feb 02 23:02:09 s/.conf/.d*/ Feb 02 23:02:09 DocScrutinizer meant: and you can fix sudoers.d* to put root password to purpose Feb 02 23:04:46 Is there an easy way to sync my maemo contacts with my online contacts? Feb 02 23:05:00 s/online/outlook Feb 02 23:05:41 from an exchange server? Feb 02 23:06:06 to would be better Feb 02 23:06:19 I imported a bunch on contacts in using some nifty little python script Feb 02 23:06:54 alterego: hey Feb 02 23:07:40 with the built in email client you can sync your contacts with exchange but I don't know if it will use existing contacts on your phone. I didn't use that feature Feb 02 23:08:26 to be more clear, I don't know if it will sync existing contacts on your phone up to the exchange server Feb 02 23:08:48 I had it sync down my gmail contacts, but now I'd like to add all (new) contacts to outlook Feb 02 23:15:39 if nothing else helps, exporting the contacts to a vcf file might Feb 02 23:39:13 how large is the user section of the display? Feb 02 23:39:20 can i find that somehow with gtk? Feb 03 00:23:43 hi guys, my connection to my n900 keeps timing out from shell and qtcreator Feb 03 00:23:54 even with mad developer running Feb 03 00:24:00 any ideas why? Feb 03 00:28:38 who's wiki admin? SPAM ALERT! http://wiki.maemo.org/index.php?title=Talk:USB_host_mode&diff=next&oldid=36035 Feb 03 00:29:55 night chaps Feb 03 00:38:44 DocScrutinizer: how do you know it's spam Feb 03 00:38:48 DocScrutinizer: do you speak russian? Feb 03 00:39:17 I can tell from the formatting easily Feb 03 00:39:37 also from the URLs Feb 03 00:43:25 I really doubt the point of enabling anonymous (unregistered) wiki edits Feb 03 00:45:24 when i deploy an app i'm developing on my n900, where is the executable copied? Feb 03 00:45:41 please rephrase Feb 03 00:46:33 to see if i was doing right ( following the meego examples ) i deployed the qt examples to my n900 Feb 03 00:46:42 using the "release" mode in qtcreator Feb 03 00:47:14 so what i want to know is "where does qtcreator copy the executable of my app to my n900 to be able to execute it"? Feb 03 00:49:08 did you understand my question? Feb 03 00:49:13 yes Feb 03 00:49:30 * DocScrutinizer suggests "find" Feb 03 00:49:30 you just wanna know where the executable file is? Feb 03 00:51:11 and what files it deploys to the device to make the app run Feb 03 00:51:21 so i can clean it up when i've finished developing Feb 03 00:51:44 I thought it built a .deb package Feb 03 00:52:01 so you could easily uninstall it Feb 03 00:53:30 find / -mmin 90 Feb 03 00:53:42 find / -mmin 90 -ls Feb 03 00:54:44 or 5 instead of 90, if you're 'fast' ;-) Feb 03 00:55:42 maybe even -cmin Feb 03 00:56:04 don't know what debian does. I use another distro Feb 03 00:57:03 heh :) .deb packages are what N900 use Feb 03 00:57:54 ??? packaging error? Feb 03 00:57:59 what the?... Feb 03 01:07:55 anyone ever get this error? Feb 03 01:07:57 http://pastebin.com/yB84VQ69 Feb 03 01:14:06 * corecode nods Feb 03 01:14:15 now fmms will show animated gifs Feb 03 01:14:19 and zoom them Feb 03 01:19:13 how do you find which gettext strings exist for maemo? Feb 03 02:59:47 hi **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Feb 03 02:59:57 2011