**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 07 02:59:56 2011 Feb 07 03:10:00 Sources: Nokia to Abandon Symbian/Meego, Adopt Windows Phone 7, and Move its HQ to U.S. Feb 07 03:10:13 http://technmarketing.com/cellphone/sources-nokia-to-abandon-symbianmeego-adopt-windows-phone-7-and-move-its-hq-to-u-s/ Feb 07 03:12:19 :) Feb 07 03:12:31 more "this will get me page hits!" crap Feb 07 03:13:05 yeah Feb 07 03:13:20 do you have an interest in that page? Feb 07 03:13:25 someone paying you to link it? Feb 07 03:13:26 nope Feb 07 03:13:29 nope Feb 07 03:14:13 I myself have a lot of interest to maemo & meego Feb 07 03:14:37 why is it the ones who claim to have an interest, always latch on to whatever random speculation trickles across the web? Feb 07 03:14:50 just thought to share that crap, because I'm bored :) Feb 07 03:15:19 'cause it's 5:14am :P Feb 07 03:16:40 Yeah, Findland's definately going to let Nokia move its headquarters to the US. Feb 07 03:17:17 They won't mind their largest company leaving. Feb 07 03:19:10 s/Findland/Finland/ Feb 07 03:22:49 well they don't Want To, that's for sure. Feb 07 03:23:05 but I'm actually not sure what could they do, if Nokia really wanted to. Feb 07 03:23:25 start pulling all those nice things they gave Nokia Feb 07 03:24:23 true. we spend money on Nokia. Feb 07 03:24:23 :) Feb 07 03:25:56 Isn't Nokia, even now, something like 10% of the market cap of all Finnish corporations? Feb 07 03:34:24 it was cool to see 'normal' people carrying N900s in finland Feb 07 03:34:47 pupnik, I have *never* run into anyone else with an N900. Feb 07 03:35:29 where U at Ken-Young Feb 07 03:35:53 Cambridge, Massachusetts, USA (next to Boston) Feb 07 03:36:58 I would have expected to have at least seen someone near MIT with one, but no. Feb 07 03:37:45 Ken-Young: it's the US, minority of a minority :) Feb 07 03:37:56 most I've ever seen at once was at the meego developer day back in september Feb 07 03:38:30 wmarone, Do a lot of Meego folks carry one? Feb 07 03:38:47 there were at least 5-7 people with them Feb 07 03:38:51 some had N8s Feb 07 03:39:18 I think a lot of people at the meeting were just Feb 07 03:39:29 "app developers" with no particular interest in any specific handset or platform Feb 07 03:40:45 hmmh Feb 07 03:40:51 I have a lot of friends with N900 :) Feb 07 03:41:01 I'm jealous Feb 07 03:41:04 quite a "normal phone" here Feb 07 03:41:21 Jartza, Where is "here" for you? Feb 07 03:41:35 Finland, surely :) Feb 07 03:41:47 People in the US don't even know how to pronounce Nokia. Feb 07 03:41:55 No wonder. Feb 07 03:42:34 I've heard it quite often, people speaking Finnish sound to US people like we're MEANING IT! :) Feb 07 03:49:47 Jartza: particularly women Feb 07 03:50:06 it's quite sexy Feb 07 03:51:27 :) Feb 07 03:52:14 oh well. anyways, lot of those "analysts" who want to see Nokia create WP7 don't realize it would also be a mistake :) Feb 07 03:52:41 I'm not convinced that Nokia should sacrifice everything just to get to US market of 300M people. Feb 07 03:52:54 Jartza, But I think we can safely assume that Nokia does know it would be a mistake. Feb 07 03:53:00 it would kick back on other markets :( Feb 07 03:53:08 Ken-Young: hopefully :) Feb 07 03:56:42 Jartza: i think the 'analysts' are stupid cattle themselves Feb 07 03:56:58 'oh look, i'm in the middle of a herd, and it's running this way' Feb 07 03:57:30 WP7 wont actually help in the US anyway. Feb 07 03:57:38 Nokia's US fix is easy. Feb 07 03:57:51 And what is that fix? Feb 07 03:57:55 Clean house in NokiaUSA and play ball with the carriers. Feb 07 03:58:50 Nokia's failure in the US doesn't have more of a source than Nokia itself. Feb 07 04:00:13 Phone releases were delayed by months or years, software updates were at least 6 months behind the rest if the planet and warranty service was about as bad as it could get. Feb 07 04:00:55 So they alienated their existing customers Feb 07 04:01:27 and couldn't get any new ones since they wouldn't play ball with carriers or market their products. Feb 07 04:01:44 what exactly does 'playing ball' mean? Feb 07 04:02:15 allow carrier customizations, for starters. Feb 07 04:02:19 fix the syncing problems. Feb 07 04:02:49 deliver software updates. Feb 07 04:03:02 'syncing problems' means what? Feb 07 04:03:40 and is that 'easy'? Feb 07 04:03:44 I've struggled with many Nokia phones (mainly symbian) and corporate emails/calendars/contactbooks... Feb 07 04:03:58 and I'm not the only one. MfE is a joke. Feb 07 04:04:51 easy and working sync to exchange/others would be on top of my list. Feb 07 04:05:14 push enabled would be even nicer :) Feb 07 04:06:27 pupnik, yes, Nokia treated the carriers to all or nothing negotiations. Feb 07 04:06:42 Which means nobody ever saw their products. Feb 07 04:07:05 pupnik, Apple can do it, Google can do it, Microsoft can too. Feb 07 04:07:42 GAN900: i know someone whose full-time job is making that stuff work Feb 07 04:07:48 for relatively small clients Feb 07 04:07:58 doesn't seem 'easy' Feb 07 04:08:44 making it work between microsoft-microsoft Feb 07 04:08:52 and now google-microsoft Feb 07 04:09:42 * GAN900 shrugs Feb 07 04:09:54 One problem of many Feb 07 04:10:00 and hardly the biggest. Feb 07 04:15:04 software updates is like telling mercedes they need to facelift their cars more often Feb 07 04:15:47 phones are more flexible than cars, in that respect Feb 07 04:16:10 and hell, if my car's software was significantly updated, I'd want an upgrade Feb 07 04:17:46 I've gotten a software update to my car every time I've taken it to the regular service :) Feb 07 04:18:55 Perhaps they should relase a US 'os update' consisting of a new ringtone, soundboard and theme :) Feb 07 04:19:32 We'll call it 'sarcastic marketing' Feb 07 04:19:40 or 'openly sarcastic marketing' Feb 07 04:19:51 or they could do it realisticly, and get out there Feb 07 04:19:55 to cash-in on buzzwords :) Feb 07 04:20:16 I'll continue buying only unlocked devices :) Feb 07 04:22:27 'defective by design' is a market strategy Feb 07 04:22:39 'get it out the door and sell units - we'll fix it later' Feb 07 04:22:39 right, which is why I don't buy Motorola devices Feb 07 04:23:02 haven't used any Feb 07 04:35:19 pupnik, the software updates were produced and released. Feb 07 04:35:40 pupnik, NokiaUSA just took an extra 6 months to release them for US devices. Feb 07 04:35:50 pupnik, why so defensive of the company. Feb 07 04:35:52 ? Feb 07 04:46:52 exit Feb 07 04:47:06 exit Feb 07 04:47:11 part Feb 07 04:47:27 trumee, Andrew's the new maintainer Feb 07 04:47:34 ~seen zap Feb 07 04:47:42 zap <~zap@213.59.86.89> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 41d 17h 47m 53s ago, saying: 'good'. Feb 07 04:53:11 GAN900: just making conversation Feb 07 04:59:18 GAN900: i'm a bit tired of people having opinions Feb 07 05:00:16 too often it's like having an opinion of why a cloud is a certain shape Feb 07 05:06:17 Hehe Feb 07 05:06:26 I can sympathize. Feb 07 05:06:45 pupnik, but you're wrong. *g* Feb 07 05:10:32 what about Feb 07 05:10:51 notice the american formulation - "you ARE wrong" Feb 07 05:10:56 a person isn't wrong Feb 07 05:11:07 nor is a person right Feb 07 05:11:13 a statement might be though Feb 07 06:22:02 YAY, my N900 is back Feb 07 06:22:12 and they seem to have replaced it rather than fixed it Feb 07 06:26:09 * Dhraakellian uninstalls kontact touch Feb 07 06:26:17 interesting to look at Feb 07 06:26:28 but too slow and battery-hungry to use much Feb 07 06:26:53 ...and the whole libclucene0ldbl dependency conflict with clucene-core was really annoying Feb 07 06:27:20 since I had to uninstall katana and sword16 every time I wanted to do any package management whatsoever Feb 07 06:27:26 and then reinstall katana Feb 07 06:27:29 rather annoying Feb 07 06:43:19 Now I just need to reinstall all my apps and stuff :( Feb 07 06:43:27 anyone here know what's the proper way to set a shell variable in a .desktop file? Feb 07 06:43:57 I wanna export a different input method for an application than the systemwide one, am I better off linking to a shell script that oes that? Feb 07 08:42:21 X-Fade: do you have a provider url/file for the REST stuff ? Feb 07 10:06:53 hi Feb 07 10:06:57 achipa: ping Feb 07 10:43:05 so, any ideas for apps to take with me on a long trip to asia? (mostly offline) Feb 07 10:43:13 or games ^^ Feb 07 10:53:46 zlimvos, well, you could start by browsing for the best deals in prepaid SIM cards with a data plan? *lol* Feb 07 10:58:30 yacc: lol well ill have a look but ill be between laos, cambodia, vietnam and avoiding cities, so data looks long shot Feb 07 11:38:16 franz_: exec=SHELLVAR=val binary Feb 07 11:38:42 franz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary' Feb 07 11:41:08 zlimvos, that's hard, the N900 is not that classical "toy" phone ;( Feb 07 11:41:29 zlimvos, it's really a workhorse, ... Feb 07 11:43:14 zlimvos, there are few things that you cannot set up with it network-wise, ... Feb 07 11:46:41 zlimvos, but games, well, you are basically down to Linux games, a small screen compared to usual Linux desktops, and in the European version no real cursor keys either, ... Feb 07 11:47:10 is the usa the only hypernationalistic country that still sings the national fascist brainwashed monkey anthem at every sporting event? Feb 07 11:48:50 actually n900 is quite decent portable gaming platform. better than iphone as emulations and virtual machines are ok as well Feb 07 11:48:57 zlimvos, supposedly games from openpandora (notably running usual console games through emulator) can work on n900, as well as games from latter palm devices Feb 07 11:49:16 the n900 has buttons Feb 07 11:49:21 and replaceable battery Feb 07 11:50:26 Who can promote a package from extras-devel to -testing? Feb 07 11:50:31 only the original uploader? Feb 07 11:50:44 it goes by vote iirc Feb 07 11:50:54 no, that's from -testing to extras proper Feb 07 11:51:05 afair anyway Feb 07 12:00:02 Gaming wise, I really like ScummVM on the n900 - Games like Legend of Kyrandia work great, have good performance and sound! Feb 07 12:00:51 snes emulator is really great too Feb 07 12:00:52 And - imho - is the sort of game -for- a mobile platform; not a twitch game Feb 07 12:25:03 lardman|gone: the pkg maintainer Feb 07 12:25:13 docscrutinizer: ok Feb 07 12:25:15 thanks Feb 07 12:25:28 lardman|gone: I heard there's a way to claim ownership/maintainer-status of a pkg Feb 07 12:25:43 ask MohammadAG Feb 07 12:26:06 or anybody else here who's better on those details Feb 07 12:26:07 well I could upload a new version with a different control file I guess, but no need, just have to wait Feb 07 12:26:48 hey guys. can you tell me if liqbook on extras-devel is working and readable please. Feb 07 12:27:04 I uploaded it during fosdem but my internet has been choppy Feb 07 12:27:24 lo lcukn900 Feb 07 12:27:35 hi Feb 07 12:32:01 Oh - cool 'legit' app for open-source cellmo. Emulating SIMs in software. Multiple SIMs per phone. Feb 07 12:32:06 VLC vulnerability in SpeedEvil: WUT? Feb 07 12:33:29 Can't be done on n900 of course. Feb 07 12:33:54 unfeasible without either A) hacking cmt FW, or B) a hw hack to emulate the SIM bit bitbanging the IO from APE Feb 07 12:34:00 In principle could be done on FR, as I understand it. Feb 07 12:34:01 yes Feb 07 12:34:35 SpeedEvil: nope, not even on FR Feb 07 12:34:44 lcukn900: just waiting for HAM Feb 07 12:34:47 You can apparantly extract the secrets from the SIM 'easily' if you have an opensource basestation. Feb 07 12:35:07 haha Feb 07 12:35:28 DocScrutinizer: As you set a weak encryption that you can break. This was mentioned in passing in one of Harald Weltes talks at defcon18 Feb 07 12:35:40 SpeedEvil: (FR) maybe with AT+CSIM I pushed into moko10 Feb 07 12:35:56 lcukn900: I see no liqbook Feb 07 12:36:19 DocScrutinizer: I was meaning running the open-source calypso code. Feb 07 12:36:25 aaah Feb 07 12:36:44 yeah, of course with openBB you could do such things Feb 07 12:37:15 Only if you can extract the SIM secrets - which is the other half. Feb 07 12:37:27 :nod: Feb 07 12:38:22 once you got that PKI or what it's called, it is a straighforward task, given you have access to cmt<->SIM interface Feb 07 12:38:24 It's also fun of course, in that you only need momentary access to someones phone to pop out their SIM, read it (admittedly with your backpack basestation), and make calls asthem. Feb 07 12:38:38 (after returning their SIM) Feb 07 12:38:38 that's how SIM cloners work Feb 07 12:38:49 SIM cloners don't work with recent cards. Feb 07 12:39:09 I know Feb 07 12:39:12 AIUI - at least the older models - don't know if there are new ones that do the above dance. Feb 07 12:39:23 a BTS based attack might work, admittedly Feb 07 12:39:42 wtf check autobuilder and somebody please fix Feb 07 12:39:50 nah, you only can read out old models of SIM Feb 07 12:40:20 resudmit it or something, check packages ui Feb 07 12:40:28 new ones are "unbreakable" Feb 07 12:42:07 http://maemo.org/packages/view/liqbook/ Feb 07 12:42:29 wtf please someone fix this and get it n fremantle Feb 07 12:42:39 I never wrapped my head around all operation modes of AT+CSIM, but it seems to me you could do all the things you could do with a SIM in a card reader, or with a cloned SIM in the cmt Feb 07 12:43:12 lcukn900: *someone*? Feb 07 12:43:41 lcukn900: I guess you meant X-Fade PIIIING Feb 07 12:43:46 anyone! doc read it. Feb 07 12:43:50 lcukn900: it says it doesn't have a proper desc Feb 07 12:43:59 perhaps that's what's stopping it? Feb 07 12:44:27 i cannot get into my scratchbox or anything, my harddrive is broke Feb 07 12:44:45 ouch Feb 07 12:45:01 doc build/run/read it. Feb 07 12:45:29 lcukn900: I dunno how to build, what to run, and what you mean by read Feb 07 12:45:53 lcukn900: sorry I'm at work so no build machine to hand Feb 07 12:45:57 download it, type "make' Feb 07 12:46:14 or even run the mpackage.sh Feb 07 12:46:15 lol, I suppose you meant in SB Feb 07 12:46:24 yes. Feb 07 12:46:27 nfc Feb 07 12:46:32 never did that Feb 07 12:46:50 well I did once, for kernel Feb 07 12:47:08 now my HDD is fsckd as well, almost Feb 07 12:49:00 lcukn900: find a devel, I'm just a stupid poject lead and designer/architect. No clue about building Feb 07 12:49:22 lcukn900: give me 30min and I'll do it when I pop home Feb 07 12:49:40 thanks Feb 07 12:49:43 I sign off on the book with: Feb 07 12:49:56 Gary Birkett, Feb 07 12:50:06 Smile Architect. Feb 07 12:50:23 :) Feb 07 12:50:36 mohammad was right to take a screenshot. Feb 07 12:50:54 As, so lcukn900 is in fact a Lip Augmentation Enhancement Surgeon? Feb 07 12:51:36 :) Feb 07 12:52:33 lcukn900: I.E. I for sure can (learn to) build a working pkg, maybe even build (aka clone) a new one, but I'm the wrong guy for fixing things with build process ;-) Feb 07 12:55:34 * DocScrutinizer smiles on 444 users Feb 07 12:55:50 err Feb 07 12:55:55 * DocScrutinizer smiles on "444 users" Feb 07 13:02:22 google chrome vulnerability: affected: all systems < Version 9.0.597.84. 9 bugs fixed, severity: DoS, code injection, privilege escalation Feb 07 13:02:52 http://googlechromereleases.blogspot.com/2011/02/stable-channel-update.html Feb 07 13:06:21 Anthony Laforge?? o.O Feb 07 13:06:32 hehe Feb 07 13:51:42 lcukn900: ping Feb 07 13:51:57 I have committed a cardinal sin, I let bacon go out of date in the fridge Feb 07 13:52:01 hey lardman Feb 07 13:52:02 I really don't know how this happened Feb 07 13:52:16 am home, will try a build for you if you still need it? Feb 07 13:52:19 that is not good. Feb 07 13:52:48 wose is that I was just in the shop buying nice fresh bread rolls for my bacon roll lunch :( Feb 07 13:52:49 yes please Feb 07 13:52:55 and didn't bother with more bacon Feb 07 13:53:08 i might go to my mums. she has good bacon. Feb 07 13:53:22 quite a long way for me to go in my lunch break ;) Feb 07 13:53:55 next time you are in Manchester, I am sure we can find somewhere to get one. Feb 07 13:54:07 sounds good Feb 07 13:54:36 * lardman|home looks for liqbook source Feb 07 13:54:43 autobuilder for n8x0 worked and put it into devel Feb 07 13:54:51 same code? Feb 07 13:54:55 its on maemo servers Feb 07 13:54:57 yes Feb 07 13:55:05 i need help, on maemo platform , i need a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali) Feb 07 13:55:06 i submitted at same time Feb 07 13:55:11 so code is on maemo.org Feb 07 13:55:18 apt-get source liqbook Feb 07 13:56:01 it builds and runs, i have tested it on various devices now Feb 07 13:56:32 it might come up being a bit small, but to make it bigger, just use the q and w keys Feb 07 13:56:53 i need help, on maemo platform , i need a way to receive an screen change event on a mobile device (dali) Feb 07 13:56:54 it resizes it, i think it will be visible from orbit. Feb 07 13:57:12 rsahdu dali in public, really? Feb 07 13:57:39 What's dali? Feb 07 13:58:20 lol Feb 07 14:00:07 lcukn900: what do you want me to do with the built package? Feb 07 14:00:24 rofl, googling it turns up picture of a 770 Feb 07 14:00:41 lardman, read it. Feb 07 14:00:50 what, the app? Feb 07 14:01:01 then find out why its broke and submit it back to builder Feb 07 14:01:06 yes, read liqbook Feb 07 14:01:16 well it builds fine here Feb 07 14:01:29 yes, it does here too. Feb 07 14:01:41 read it carefully Feb 07 14:01:51 and let it sink in Feb 07 14:02:00 you sound like you're about to start a cult ;) Feb 07 14:02:19 I was talking to someone from the FSF last night and showed him the half sketch version of gpl Feb 07 14:02:27 cult of devine liq Feb 07 14:02:30 I think the reason it didn't work is that the description was broken Feb 07 14:03:02 well, that's a rather usual cause Feb 07 14:03:17 it built fine, just wasn't imported to the repo Feb 07 14:03:37 though tbh I can't see how it's broken, looks ok to me Feb 07 14:03:57 doc, Smile Architect. Feb 07 14:04:06 non printable chars? Feb 07 14:04:17 prototype Feb 07 14:04:31 http://liqbase.net/liq.20081126_224040.gary.scr.png Feb 07 14:05:09 LOL Feb 07 14:06:17 this is a screenshot of liqbook: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110131_081956.liqbookreader.scr.png Feb 07 14:07:01 you wouldnt want to read my handwriting Feb 07 14:07:14 but you have to read it yourself to see the big picture. Feb 07 14:07:23 shadowjk, many people say the same thing. Feb 07 14:08:02 it's as decipherable as the voynich manuscript Feb 07 14:08:05 there's basically no such thing like "my handwriting" - since decades :-P Feb 07 14:08:06 my handwriting is not good, but this takes the best example of each letter, and your most careful attempts and so shows your ideal writing Feb 07 14:08:42 your app depends on wget, is that normal? Feb 07 14:08:59 the last handwriting I did was that strike thing on palm pilot, 10 years ago Feb 07 14:09:19 yeah lardman, historical thing i never got round to cleaning out Feb 07 14:09:34 that makes it uninstallable for me Feb 07 14:09:48 doc, read the book. ask questions later Feb 07 14:09:50 hm? Feb 07 14:09:58 book? Feb 07 14:09:58 patch it out Feb 07 14:10:06 liqbook Feb 07 14:10:13 liqbook Feb 07 14:10:14 liqbook Feb 07 14:10:15 is it actually required though? Feb 07 14:10:31 not in this immediately Feb 07 14:10:49 I guess coffee doesn't kick in today. I'm missing to get the picture at large Feb 07 14:10:53 i believe it was used to download pictures right at the start Feb 07 14:11:15 hmm, I can't even see where the dep is Feb 07 14:11:26 libliqbase1 Feb 07 14:11:46 yeah grep source for wget Feb 07 14:11:56 I think you might be asking for a specific version too, as I do have wget installed but it wanted to install a new version Feb 07 14:12:11 lcukn900: sorry I don't have time to do libliqbase too atm Feb 07 14:12:19 I thought you just wanted a built and re-upload Feb 07 14:12:23 ok Feb 07 14:12:31 * lardman|home heads back to work, bbiab Feb 07 14:12:44 i dont understand why its not installable Feb 07 14:13:46 lardman - liqcalendar has same deps and installs everywhere Feb 07 14:13:53 * lcukn900 curious Feb 07 14:17:19 * DocScrutinizer is puzzled about whether liqbook is a reader, a novel, a fontset, or whatever Feb 07 14:17:21 x-fade, ping can you please wiggle maemo server Feb 07 14:17:59 doc, read it and tell me what it is. Feb 07 14:18:13 i have heard people say its a digital love letter. Feb 07 14:18:21 I FSCKNG HAVE NO CLUE what to read! Feb 07 14:18:33 run liqbook Feb 07 14:18:36 meh Feb 07 14:18:43 it has the text inside. Feb 07 14:18:53 to explain Feb 07 14:19:36 I *NEVER* ever am going to install any app to just find out what it is. I usually make nasty jokes about noobs doing that Feb 07 14:20:43 X-Fade, whom should we contact to get the pyside-* packages removed from extras-devel? Feb 07 14:20:45 I'm not even clicking URLs to find out what they are about, without prior hint Feb 07 14:20:49 Well. Moo all. Feb 07 14:20:58 moo RST38h Feb 07 14:21:09 X-Fade: Please note that qthello is *still* broken in the Extras* repo Feb 07 14:21:11 they're ancient and obsolete and the correct ones are python-pyside-* Feb 07 14:21:29 X-Fade: Why not flush the package and make autobuilder rebuild it? Feb 07 14:23:07 RST38h: Because debian repos can't overwrite. It needs to be removed and re-numbered then. Feb 07 14:26:37 ""I installed destructive-badblock-test app to see what it does. PLZ HLP!! my data is gone!!1!!111eleven"" MUHAHAHA¡ Feb 07 14:30:07 s/destructive-badblock-test// where liqbook is element of Feb 07 14:30:52 Random - http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs - does anyone happen to know who runs this? Feb 07 14:31:27 nslu, hmm not really Feb 07 14:31:55 I should wander over to the IRC and ask I suppose. Feb 07 14:32:26 nslu2-log: info Feb 07 14:32:37 nslu2-log: help Feb 07 14:32:48 nslu2-log: status Feb 07 14:33:00 I'm inclined to kickban the bot :-S Feb 07 14:37:19 X-Fade: has nslu2-log clearance to hang around here? Bots default to invite-only (irc policy), esp those who don't properly identify who's their master and contact addr Feb 07 14:37:53 * SpeedEvil notices he has 499 karma. Feb 07 14:38:05 * SpeedEvil ponders if he can be bothered to do something to add one. Feb 07 14:38:10 hehe, I crossed 500 some days ago ;-D Feb 07 14:38:55 SpeedEvil: don't so it. You'll feel old all of a sudden :-P Feb 07 14:41:44 i have some ARM NEON code using 64bit registers that compiles and runs fine on the N900. when i port the algorithm to 128bit data types and instructions, it segfaults. why is this happening? Feb 07 14:42:11 SpeedEvil: /ns info nslu2-log Feb 07 14:42:27 oh - that works too - thanks! Feb 07 14:42:41 re Feb 07 14:43:13 tbh nslu logs are poor anyway Feb 07 14:44:06 no search, to start with Feb 07 14:44:15 Google search. Feb 07 14:44:30 meh Feb 07 14:44:30 I'm trying to get a particular bit of info off the internet. Feb 07 14:44:40 lol Feb 07 14:44:59 sisyphos? Feb 07 14:45:43 Actually - not that bad. Google has 22 hits Feb 07 14:45:56 And most of those are multiples of the same datasource. Feb 07 14:46:12 hmm Feb 07 14:46:52 commonly attributed as mission impossible anyway Feb 07 14:47:38 each action taken to get it down actually increases the number of links and attention for it Feb 07 14:48:08 Depends. Feb 07 14:48:53 I don't care about the attention of the people I'm making the requests to - the data is not of itself interesting. Feb 07 14:49:48 well, as long as distributing the info isn't incriminated by itself, most parties won't even listen Feb 07 14:50:40 of course you can change this by offering reasonable donations for compensating the work to clean all files and databases Feb 07 14:54:04 * Shapeshifter impatiently waits for his package to propagate to the catalog Feb 07 14:54:35 SpeedEvil: for nslu2-log on #maemo though your chances are good. I would consider it at least rogue to log this chan without proper notice to chan owner, who in turn has to inform chan users about the fact Feb 07 14:58:48 actually chanops and esp chan owner could require nslu2-log to take down complete #maemo logs (unless of course there actually had been granted an explicit permission to nslu2-log to do what they do, which I doubt as the bot doesn't comply with the requirements for IRC bots, regarding "impressum"[aka contact]) Feb 07 14:59:59 SpeedEvil: ask mgedmin Feb 07 15:00:10 he might know some details Feb 07 15:00:40 * mgedmin doesn't Feb 07 15:00:58 k, sorry then :-D Feb 07 15:22:36 anybody inclined to explain to me wheter that's fishy or I missed a #ifdef ? please. http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#278 http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_regs.h#480 Feb 07 15:26:09 also I'm a bit lost about which value (0x02 or 0x04) actually is used right now, e.g. in http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/kernel/drivers/usb/musb/musb_host.c#144 Feb 07 15:26:18 hints appreciated Feb 07 15:28:38 DocScrutinizer: the ifdef is 216-442, is that what you were looking for? Feb 07 15:28:55 CONFIG_BLACKFIN Feb 07 15:29:21 i guess that'S what I'm looking for, lemme check Feb 07 15:30:54 thanks. Yes, kate fooled me, by foling in the else branch as well :-S Feb 07 15:31:00 folding* Feb 07 15:34:19 ~lart kate Feb 07 15:34:20 * infobot executes killall -KILL kate Feb 07 15:34:34 ~botsback Feb 07 15:34:41 ~botsnack Feb 07 15:34:41 thanks, DocScrutinizer Feb 07 15:34:56 ~botsmack Feb 07 15:34:56 OWW! Feb 07 15:35:32 there was some way to see the total downloads for a package and trends and whatnot, how did that work again' Feb 07 15:35:35 ? Feb 07 15:35:59 there's a rather hidden "statistics" link somehwere Feb 07 15:40:29 just can't find it Feb 07 15:40:31 :-/ Feb 07 15:40:41 http://maemo.dadablog.net/AppStats.php?package=alarmed&os=fremantle this is pretty decent Feb 07 15:40:58 it scrapes the statistics page you probably mean Feb 07 15:41:25 http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/starhash-enabler/# Feb 07 15:41:34 "download statistics" Feb 07 15:41:46 Downloads: 161422 wow.. quite some Feb 07 15:42:01 yeah the statistics are at that link indeed Feb 07 15:48:33 You got to love it, you write a lot of code, and because you know exactly what you want to achieve and how to do it, you write *a lot* before compiling/testing it Feb 07 15:48:59 So you save, get ready for testing, get ready to be hit with a few thousand lines of errors, forgotten semicolons and or typos in variables Feb 07 15:49:19 you compile, get maybe... a couple of errors, fair enough, I'm not that bad after all Feb 07 15:49:23 Test it, and... nothing Feb 07 15:49:33 nada, niet, niks. Feb 07 15:49:52 Fucking editors saving into the wrong files. Feb 07 15:50:54 crashanddie: :-/ Feb 07 15:51:33 crashanddie, yo. Feb 07 15:52:44 yo Feb 07 15:53:45 hi Feb 07 15:55:15 hi dewilman Feb 07 15:55:21 crashanddie, so what have we learned? :P Feb 07 15:55:51 how are u ? Feb 07 15:56:40 yeaha, found time to upgrade update and download all the new shyt... 4 weeks without device and you get surprised what's new and shiny after a while ;) Feb 07 15:56:57 I'm fine an U? Feb 07 15:59:41 GAN900, contextual information is actually important? Feb 07 16:27:01 chem|st: \o/ Feb 07 16:27:11 feels like xmas, no? Feb 07 16:27:44 chem|st: seen marble? Feb 07 16:48:21 DocScrutinizer: yeah and Columbus and and lots of upgrades... Feb 07 16:48:41 good afternoon everyone Feb 07 16:52:59 achipa: ping Feb 07 17:18:06 <_Rui_> hello Feb 07 17:18:34 <_Rui_> how can I install curl/libcurl on my N900? Feb 07 17:19:23 apt-get install libcurl3? Feb 07 17:19:25 any ideas how to download maps to use offline with maep? mappero acts tricky.. Feb 07 17:22:13 you can do it through the OVI software Feb 07 17:28:37 hey there i am using "Faster Application Manager" and wanted to add maemo.org repositories. I filled the fields with URL: http://repository.maemo.org/extras-testing/ | Distribution: fremantle | Components: free non-free Feb 07 17:28:41 is that right ? Feb 07 17:29:12 is says 404 for that Feb 07 17:30:00 Venemo: pong ? Feb 07 17:30:01 i tryed to add the repos by editting /etc/apt/sources.list but it does not make any difference Feb 07 17:30:23 achipa: :) Feb 07 17:30:49 achipa: you work at Forum Nokia right? Feb 07 17:31:32 Venemo: hey, that is intimate question... Feb 07 17:31:34 :P Feb 07 17:32:22 achipa: not intimate at all. I think you mentioned it either at TMO or the mailing list. I'm just not entirely sure :P Feb 07 17:32:25 but yes, FN might have to do something with me enjoying the beautiful and rather long Finnish winter :) Feb 07 17:33:03 achipa: :) Feb 07 17:33:16 achipa: I don't know if you have anything to do with the Symbian team over there, but do you have any pointers for setting up a Symbian dev environment under Linux? Feb 07 17:35:30 Symwho ? :D We don't do that - some indt guys did some hacks, tho, iirc Feb 07 17:35:48 Venemo: remote compiler is still way easier (and slower :) ) Feb 07 17:35:51 Proteous: I am interested in the 'open source' maps like virtual earth and virtual earth satelite, i didnt find anything related to OVI store Feb 07 17:36:02 achipa: 'slower' is the part I'm worried about :S Feb 07 17:36:20 achipa: can I also run the remote compiled binary on my device? Feb 07 17:36:33 Venemo: umm, yes, that's the whole point :) Feb 07 17:36:44 guys. is if-down.d called when i go outside the range of wifi? Feb 07 17:36:49 Venemo: no debug tho Feb 07 17:36:58 achipa: mhm Feb 07 17:37:30 achipa: I don't see any option to set the remote compiler or my symbian device as a target Feb 07 17:37:59 Venemo: ? add target, remote compiler, and set the symbian version there Feb 07 17:38:18 achipa: the add target is greyed out. Feb 07 17:38:53 achipa: the remote compiler is there in tools/options/qt4 Feb 07 17:39:02 achipa: but I can't add it as a target :S Feb 07 17:39:41 hey guys, is there a default file browser/manager in n900 Feb 07 17:39:46 because i had a script in /etc/network/if-down.d which wasnt executed when i walked outside the range of the wifi Feb 07 17:39:58 Venemo: check if the plugin is enabled Feb 07 17:40:04 in qtc Feb 07 17:40:13 achipa: where can I check that? Feb 07 17:40:29 Venemo: help->about plugins Feb 07 17:40:59 makulkar, yes. Feb 07 17:41:19 andre, that is? Feb 07 17:41:30 achipa: I don't see it there Feb 07 17:41:38 makulkar, nameless Feb 07 17:41:53 andre, Ok I can not find terminal either. Feb 07 17:41:59 osso file manager or so? Feb 07 17:42:02 umm... first things first... do you have a FN account and did you enable it in qtc ? Feb 07 17:42:06 makulkar, well, where are you searching? Feb 07 17:42:14 andre, I have copied some .deb files over to mass storage and need to install Feb 07 17:42:28 andre, search app Feb 07 17:42:36 erm. file manager and terminal are definitely in the application list. Feb 07 17:42:40 what search app? Feb 07 17:43:42 achipa: according to some people, it works on Wine Feb 07 17:44:08 andre, nope looked at all apps cant find either one :( Feb 07 17:44:17 Venemo: what ? the symbian stuff ? could be, I never bothered with doing it through wine Feb 07 17:44:42 makulkar, what search app?! Feb 07 17:44:49 I have no idea what you talk about. Feb 07 17:44:49 achipa: and there are also some site that has some patched stuff so it works on Linux Feb 07 17:44:55 achipa: http://www.martin.st/symbian/ Feb 07 17:46:36 achipa: but for now I'd just like to try the remote compiler Feb 07 17:46:39 Venemo: okay, okay, I know it can be done, it's just that it's fussy :) I'm not that big of a symbian fan to push me over the edge and suffer through that :) Feb 07 17:46:57 Venemo: sooo... FN account set up and terms accepted ? Feb 07 17:47:45 (plus, I don't have a symbian device which kinda lowers the motivation :) ) Feb 07 17:48:11 achipa: I suppose I may have an FN account, but I haven't heard of any terms. I accepted the terms for the SDK when I installed it though. Feb 07 17:48:48 achipa: really sorry for bothering you, but I think you're the most friendly person in that company :) Feb 07 17:49:39 Venemo: hehe :D Feb 07 17:49:55 achipa: I don't have one either Feb 07 17:50:03 Venemo: but anyway, tools -> options -> qt4 -> remote compiler tab.... IIRC Feb 07 17:50:33 achipa: however the department of applied informatics could lend me one until I port my app :) Feb 07 17:50:39 achipa: there is no such tab, sorry Feb 07 17:50:54 wait, that tab moves around a bit... lemme check... Feb 07 17:51:33 Venemo: yeah, sorry, projects, not qt4 Feb 07 17:51:46 if you don't have a remote compiler tab there ,you dont have it installed Feb 07 17:51:53 (-> updater time !) Feb 07 17:53:07 achipa: guess what. it appears in the crappy version that came with the SDK, but it doesn't with the better version (nightly) that I installed separately Feb 07 17:53:40 Venemo: nightlies are cheating ! :D but true enough, it's a separate plugin Feb 07 17:54:10 (i.e. it's not part of qtcreator and hence you won't have it in the nightly) Feb 07 17:54:50 achipa: any easy way to enable it in the nightly or should I just use the crappy version? Feb 07 17:55:35 Venemo: you might try to copy over the plugin .so, but I wouldn't be surprised if there was an API break Feb 07 17:55:54 achipa: ookay, trying Feb 07 17:56:43 QtSDK/QtCreator/lib/qtcreator/plugins/Nokia/RemoteCompiler.pluginspec and libRemoteCompiler.so Feb 07 17:56:48 Venemo: ^^ Feb 07 17:58:23 achipa: Could not resolve dependency 'Qt4ProjectManager(2.0.95)' Feb 07 17:58:59 bah, as suspected Feb 07 17:59:53 achipa: tried to edit the .pluginspec and removed the dependeny, but the failed with some other .so Feb 07 18:00:00 achipa: I'll restort to using the crappy version then Feb 07 18:03:10 reminds me of publishing that nightly blog... Feb 07 18:03:40 confusing developers in 3...2..1... Feb 07 18:04:06 where where where Feb 07 18:04:22 http://qt-funk.blogspot.com/2011/02/living-on-nightly-qtcreator-edge.html Feb 07 18:04:39 not exactly rocket science, but hey, I'm sure there are lost souls who don't know about it Feb 07 18:05:28 bah, sorry I got disconnected... forgot to plug in power to my laptop and the battery got exhausted Feb 07 18:08:10 anyway, brb. Feb 07 18:25:20 * Venemo is back Feb 07 18:36:30 achipa: thanks for your help. I seem to be able to set it up now Feb 07 18:36:44 Venemo: (Y) Feb 07 18:37:15 achipa: :) Feb 07 18:37:24 achipa: however I can't find the option to run on a device Feb 07 18:37:41 TI announces OMAP 5: two high-performance and two low-power cores, devices next year Feb 07 18:38:22 more like 2013... still, those A15s are going to kick butt... Feb 07 18:41:11 achipa: I hope the remote compiler servers have a good performance :P Feb 07 18:41:44 Venemo: they should Feb 07 18:41:55 achipa: oh crap Feb 07 18:43:05 achipa: /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/PUZZLE-MASTER_0XE5B4435F.MMP:35: error: possible real start of unterminated constant ----> there's not even a file with this name. Feb 07 18:43:38 achipa: it however compiles for both Maemo and desktop correctly. Feb 07 18:45:59 "Well-placed sources at Nokia suggest Stephen Elop is considering shifting the executive centre of gravity to Silicon Valley, creating a virtual HQ in the United States." Feb 07 18:46:07 achipa: I think my best bet is a Windows VM. Feb 07 18:46:11 In other words, he hates Finland weather =) Feb 07 18:46:35 hehe RST38h Feb 07 18:47:39 lol RST38h Feb 07 18:50:03 achipa: also, I wanted to ask, do you have an N810 and ~10 minutes of your time? Feb 07 18:50:44 I have an n810... but it's not at hand ATM :( Feb 07 18:57:23 achipa: if you have it at hand, please look at http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69454 Feb 07 18:58:36 Venemo: oookay... not sure I will be of much use tho - I have the stock Qt libs with Qt4.7 Feb 07 18:58:49 replaced with Feb 07 18:59:11 achipa: hmm. I didn't know 4.7 was possible on N8x0 Feb 07 18:59:33 Venemo: it is - it's slower than 4.5, tho, that's why I didn't push it Feb 07 18:59:51 plus my hack misses all the integrations the 4.5 had Feb 07 19:00:04 but since I use QML I don't really care about the menu/widget/stuff Feb 07 19:00:31 achipa: does N810 have an accelerometer? Feb 07 19:01:18 achipa: also, what's the #ifdef for Diablo? Feb 07 19:08:06 RST38h: heh, I sympathise with that guy Feb 07 19:10:20 what shit is going down yo? Feb 07 19:11:10 is it possible to install the maemo build chain on the n900? Feb 07 19:11:23 vi_: it is, you just need lots of free rootfs Feb 07 19:11:44 i have 10gb XD Feb 07 19:11:51 makulkar: ossofilemanager on fremantle - no idea about harmattan ;-) Feb 07 19:12:06 what the hell is this? Feb 07 19:12:09 Reading debug information failed: Feb 07 19:12:11 "/home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master": could not open as an executable file: Invalid bfd target Feb 07 19:12:12 DocScrutinizer, flashed rnd image things working fine again Feb 07 19:12:37 sorry, I never heard of rnd image Feb 07 19:12:54 does anyone here know anything about perl on the n900? Feb 07 19:13:38 vi_: 10GB for sure isn't rootfs, if it comes to N900 maemo Feb 07 19:15:23 vi_: rootfs is 256 MB afaik Feb 07 19:15:42 oh Feb 07 19:15:46 Venemo: I guess you'll tell us WTH it is Feb 07 19:15:58 even less, maybe 248 Feb 07 19:16:04 well i have 10gb omthing Feb 07 19:16:19 DocScrutinizer: that's what Qt Creator tells me when I try debugging on N900 Feb 07 19:16:20 there's other MTD partitions, for kernel, CAL, etc Feb 07 19:16:28 DocScrutinizer: but I don't know why - it worked before Feb 07 19:16:54 NFC Feb 07 19:17:16 key is ""Reading debug information failed:"" Feb 07 19:17:57 try `file /home/Timur/Projects/colorful-apps/puzzle-master-build-maemo/build/puzzle-master` Feb 07 19:18:56 vi_: I have 160GB something, just not on rootfs of N900 Feb 07 19:19:54 hi, can anybody explain how to fix "E: Handler silently failed" issue Feb 07 19:19:58 or work around it Feb 07 19:20:07 IroN900:~# df -h / Feb 07 19:20:09 Filesystem Size Used Available Use% Mounted on Feb 07 19:20:10 rootfs 227.9M 154.4M 69.3M 69% / Feb 07 19:20:43 andrius: no Feb 07 19:21:07 [13:37] < DocScrutinizer> franz_: or exec=sh -c 'SHELLVAR=val binary' Feb 07 19:21:10 thanks Feb 07 19:21:14 yw Feb 07 19:21:27 what exactly does that error message mean? Feb 07 19:21:35 NFC Feb 07 19:22:33 If it shows up on my TV, it might mean I had too much cheap tequila the night before Feb 07 19:24:23 but maybe you can tell me what means "Sorry, your request can't be handled due to technical problems" Feb 07 19:27:13 DocScrutinizer: the result is http://fpaste.org/iRhc/ Feb 07 19:28:50 Venemo: are you sure this is supposed to be a ELF 32-bit LSB executable, ARM, version 1 (SYSV) ? Not maybe an ARM binary? Feb 07 19:29:19 Venemo: I.E maybe the debugger expects an ARM binary Feb 07 19:31:06 hmm, if I put my SIM in a 3G modem, will I be charged extra? Feb 07 19:31:58 there isn't a way for them to figure out, unless you use way more data than usual Feb 07 19:31:59 DocScrutinizer: well this is an ARM executable that the crosscompiler creates Feb 07 19:32:05 MohammadAG: just data rates Feb 07 19:32:34 Venemo, so it's the same as for example, using mobilehotspot? Feb 07 19:32:52 MohammadAG: data is just data, as far as the operator is concerned Feb 07 19:33:51 Venemo, was just wondering since mobiles don't dial a number Feb 07 19:33:54 Venemo: http://old.nabble.com/Invalid-bfd-target-td1133013.html http://www.google.de/search?q=Invalid+bfd+target Feb 07 19:34:05 but 3G modems do (and on that note, how do I know what number I should dial?) Feb 07 19:34:57 MohammadAG: mobiles do that too (they use their modem the same way), it's just done in the background. DocScrutinizer should know better if I'm not correct about this Feb 07 19:35:05 MohammadAG: usually it's #777 Feb 07 19:35:19 im using QTabWigdet in my app and have some trouble with its close button (on the tab buttons), there isnt a "X" picture but something else Feb 07 19:35:55 i found a way to change that via stylesheets, but i cant seem to find from where should i load the "X" picture that is currently in use? Feb 07 19:36:08 MohammadAG: your phone *is* a 3G modem Feb 07 19:36:18 (for other stuff, like app close button) Feb 07 19:36:22 any idea? Feb 07 19:36:34 DocScrutinizer, yes, but I don't see it asking for a number Feb 07 19:36:42 DocScrutinizer: the weird thing is that I don't compile this myself. Qt Creator does. Feb 07 19:36:48 where does it get the number? Feb 07 19:37:04 MohammadAG: this is some defacto standard Feb 07 19:37:22 DocScrutinizer, and why do USB 3G modems not implement it? Feb 07 19:37:31 in e.g windows setup you still can edit the number, iirc it's *99# by default Feb 07 19:38:05 DocScrutinizer: *99# is GPRS Feb 07 19:38:10 yes, it's *99# here too. Feb 07 19:38:14 MohammadAG: umm yes Feb 07 19:38:38 Sicelo: it works with HSDPA too Feb 07 19:38:54 yeah, it's *99# here too Feb 07 19:39:04 MohammadAG: Nokia basically stores the relevant settings for each operator in every country in their phones. this is why it automagically knows Feb 07 19:39:16 Venemo, that's not possible Feb 07 19:39:18 MohammadAG: also there's probably some setting to change it somewhere Feb 07 19:39:23 oh, I never knew that. thanks Feb 07 19:39:28 MohammadAG: not possible? Feb 07 19:39:33 yes Feb 07 19:39:36 what if a new operator's out? Feb 07 19:39:47 you only need the access point name, the username and pass Feb 07 19:39:52 MohammadAG: on e.g. N900 you don't need to issue a 'number' as the way the cmt works is well known Feb 07 19:39:52 and it works automatically Feb 07 19:40:01 so 'number' can get hardcoded Feb 07 19:40:27 DocScrutinizer, so basically, it always dials *99#? Feb 07 19:40:34 MohammadAG: *99# is no real number, it's a command to the cmt Feb 07 19:41:45 DocScrutinizer, ah Feb 07 19:41:47 GPRS is not a Circuit Switched Data cnnection. But you *could* probably establish such a 'call' alike data connection to arbitrary far ends, by dialing a real number Feb 07 19:42:04 everytime I have started to use a new phone or changed SIM to another one, the operator has sent a few SMS messages automagically which include some settings, no idea which ones though Feb 07 19:42:29 and there is /etc/operator_settings in n900 which seems relevant Feb 07 19:42:41 those contain APN, user, and pw Feb 07 19:43:01 i think n900 has all settings already in Feb 07 19:43:06 yep Feb 07 19:43:11 see Trewas ^^^ Feb 07 19:43:47 anybody on base in belgium Feb 07 19:43:59 is data roaming in france free Feb 07 19:44:14 as in included Feb 07 19:44:18 haha, that'd be amazing news Feb 07 19:44:23 well Feb 07 19:44:37 i' connected now to f sfr base Feb 07 19:44:43 data roaming either doesn't work at all, or a minute cost more than gold Feb 07 19:44:52 and i have data here Feb 07 19:45:03 just got asked to allow data roaming Feb 07 19:45:13 my condolescences, you're already broke Feb 07 19:45:22 it's prepqaid Feb 07 19:45:30 and i had 5euro on it Feb 07 19:46:00 i can afford to waste that Feb 07 19:46:04 heh, don't get misunderstood, carriers manage to charge you on prepaid as well :-P Feb 07 19:46:46 suddenly your account is at 5000$ debit, and they know where to find you X-P Feb 07 19:47:38 well o've seen vodafone add Feb 07 19:47:48 honestly, roaming on a payg card been never heard to work Feb 07 19:48:02 where they were saying something about free roaming Feb 07 19:48:09 at least for data Feb 07 19:48:16 well Feb 07 19:48:23 it's working for me Feb 07 19:48:34 unless lille is in belgium Feb 07 19:48:34 i think n900 has all settings already in Feb 07 19:48:41 umm yeah, for like 50ct/min Feb 07 19:48:46 except Orange JO Feb 07 19:49:08 hehe Feb 07 19:49:35 you can bet on Orange * settings Feb 07 19:50:02 besides if it's same operator then they can afford to give you free/cheap data roaming Feb 07 19:50:20 I'd be surprised to find then using different APN etc specifically in JO Feb 07 19:50:53 jacekowski: as mentioned above, that'd be new and exciting Feb 07 19:51:34 maybe apple manages to push carriers to do that eventually Feb 07 19:51:57 well i' in france with belgian sim and i'm still talking to you Feb 07 19:52:18 check your balance Feb 07 19:52:32 *111# or sth like that Feb 07 19:52:54 jacekowski, IL Orange is not Orange Feb 07 19:53:00 it might actually show -30$ by now Feb 07 19:53:04 it's Partners Communications LTD Feb 07 19:53:08 impossible Feb 07 19:53:27 unless belgium staryed using dollars in last couple minutes Feb 07 19:53:36 meh Feb 07 19:53:54 how to check ballance on base? Feb 07 19:54:02 umm Feb 07 19:54:16 no base here, they are crap in Germany Feb 07 19:55:18 status info 1155 Feb 07 19:55:24 voice call Feb 07 19:56:11 charge = *104# Feb 07 19:56:22 so maybe this is query as well Feb 07 19:56:28 actually Feb 07 19:56:43 charge = *104## Feb 07 19:57:13 nope Feb 07 19:57:46 unknown application Feb 07 19:57:53 try *#104#, *111#, *100# Feb 07 19:58:04 but all this doesn't work while roaming Feb 07 19:59:03 so your only bet is to dial home (+CC carrier-code 1155) Feb 07 19:59:04 achipa: allow me one more question. I see that I can use icons from http://www.forum.nokia.com/info/sw.nokia.com/id/ea47d047-431c-4de8-92a6-dbcc799757ff/Maemo_5_Icon_List_v1_0_en.zip.html in my app, but can I use them even if my app isn't for Maemo 5? Feb 07 19:59:16 achipa: I mean, can I use the icons on other platforms? Feb 07 19:59:53 moin Feb 07 20:00:01 morning Feb 07 20:00:55 0.41 euro left Feb 07 20:01:19 moin javispedro Feb 07 20:01:40 jacekowski: http://www.base.de/Mobiles-Internet/Mein-BASE-Internet-Flatrates.aspx Feb 07 20:01:54 maybe base.be for you Feb 07 20:02:56 http://www.base.be/fr/base-welkom-bienvenue-welcome?redirect= Feb 07 20:04:48 DocScrutinizer, how to take screenshot of maemo device? any short cut/software for that? Feb 07 20:05:06 ctrl-shift-P Feb 07 20:05:17 then look at Images folder (not Camera) Feb 07 20:05:45 yw Feb 07 20:07:26 makulkar: then there's also the screenshot function in load-applet, to be found in system-menu (click on clock, then select camera from the menu) Feb 07 20:08:54 but that's somewhat clumsy, and only advantage is it triggers either auto after 20s (configurable afaik) or on pressing cam button Feb 07 20:09:34 DocScrutinizer, i have to report bug and need screen shot.. tried ctrl-shift-p dont see any images in gallery Feb 07 20:09:47 DocScrutinizer, will try the second one now Feb 07 20:09:52 thanks to transitions you sometimes see a shadow of the yellow notifier telling you about this, in the screenshot :-P Feb 07 20:10:17 makulkar: I'd in images folder, as javispedro mentioned Feb 07 20:10:26 it's* Feb 07 20:11:17 gallery isn't updated for every screenshot, so it might take quite some time until trackerd considers to rescan Feb 07 20:12:17 makulkar: workaround: take a picture with cam, so gallery gets updated. This should make tracker find the screenshot as well Feb 07 20:14:32 or enter "file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images" to microb URL Feb 07 20:15:24 search for screenshotXX.png there Feb 07 20:16:02 hooray for microb, the better HFM :-P Feb 07 20:17:30 even knows how to display .png ;-D Feb 07 20:17:51 and knows about / !! \o/ Feb 07 20:18:24 a pitty you can't copy or edit or delete files in microb ;-) Feb 07 20:19:39 for all other aspects it's a magnitude better than HFM for browsing file hierachy - IMHO Feb 07 20:23:15 oh my god, new gizmodo design cries "we're apple fanboys!" :) Feb 07 20:23:30 not to mention it is a usability nightmare.. Feb 07 20:23:46 and also follows what I'm going to call Engadget's law Feb 07 20:23:55 unfortunatelly, apple.com has already moved to the next step :) Feb 07 20:24:20 when the current generation's Nokia Tablet device is fast enough to load the current Engadget's CSS, Javascript, and rest of crap in reasonable time, Engadget moves on. Feb 07 20:24:22 ops, for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png Feb 07 20:24:50 ("moves on" as in: exponentially increases the size of the CSS, the Javascript and the images) Feb 07 20:25:09 makulkar: ^ for me it's even file:///home/user/MyDocs/.images/Screenshots/Screenshot_xxxxx_yyyyy.png Feb 07 20:25:16 javispedro: website that looks like a white page with javascript turned off - pathetic crap Feb 07 20:25:42 DocScrutinizer, nope dont see it there either. May be harminttan has different location? Feb 07 20:25:50 wazd: so truer. Feb 07 20:25:53 possible Feb 07 20:26:13 not even clear if harmattan has that ctrl-shift-p shortcut Feb 07 20:26:31 DocScrutinizer, hmm took a pic from camera dont see even that file in above path :) Feb 07 20:26:40 but i see in gallery Feb 07 20:27:17 :nod: so find out how to convince fsckng gallery to tell you about true full pathname Feb 07 20:31:10 DocScrutinizer, found the captured image but i guess screenshot short cut doesnt work Feb 07 20:31:17 hahahahaha hrhrhr, opened picture in galery, menu, "save as" ----> galery frozen - hildon: "doesn't react, kill?" Feb 07 20:33:13 makulkar: take screeshot, take picture, `find / -mmin 10 -ls` Feb 07 20:33:42 (you'll probably need *real* find for that, not messybox crap) Feb 07 20:34:06 should yield all files modified last ten minutes Feb 07 20:34:27 i'm so bummed :( Feb 07 20:34:30 unrecognized -mmin Feb 07 20:34:39 My 2nd (out of the 3) ps3s died on me Feb 07 20:34:42 yup Feb 07 20:34:43 blueray drive is dead, again Feb 07 20:34:47 ~messybox Feb 07 20:34:47 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Feb 07 20:34:56 I contacted Sony Feb 07 20:35:11 crashanddie_: :-( Feb 07 20:35:14 They're willing to replace it, even though it's out of warranty, if I have the proof of purchase, which I don't Feb 07 20:36:13 I contacted the store Feb 07 20:36:44 they can find the proof of purchase, provided I give an exact date, exact amount (got that), type of purchase (cash, credit, etc), a rough hour, and 50 euros Feb 07 20:36:45 makulkar: apt-get install findutils-gnu ;-) Feb 07 20:37:04 which is just proposterous Feb 07 20:37:17 and if they don't find it, I don't get to keep the 50 euros Feb 07 20:37:28 I'd buy a BD drive Feb 07 20:37:37 it's piss easy to assemble Feb 07 20:37:38 back in england Feb 07 20:37:57 crashanddie_: send 50$ worth in glycerine trinitrate Feb 07 20:38:23 err EUR Feb 07 20:38:34 when my drive died, they wanted to send it to the US to be fixed Feb 07 20:38:38 shipping costs on me Feb 07 20:38:46 so I said fuck it and bought a drive off ebay Feb 07 20:39:47 "free shipping" I suppose :-D Feb 07 20:40:34 hah Feb 07 20:40:41 can't actually remember, but it turned out cheaper Feb 07 20:40:47 and disassembly's easy Feb 07 20:40:50 I bet Feb 07 20:40:59 the ribbons are cool Feb 07 20:41:13 you just have to raise a plastic piece, then slide the ribbon out Feb 07 20:41:16 FPC I guess Feb 07 20:41:26 yep, FPC Feb 07 20:41:38 MohammadAG: on the slim? Feb 07 20:41:47 slims use SATA I think Feb 07 20:41:55 though I never disassembled a slim Feb 07 20:42:05 well, there's this one guy who claims he found how to fix it Feb 07 20:42:13 phats use a proprietary ribbon Feb 07 20:42:28 it appears to be just a simple plastic slider that can get stuck out of their shaft Feb 07 20:43:26 tbh, I'd rather get it replaced, I've given Sony over a grand just in PS3's, and probably *a lot* more in games Feb 07 20:43:34 * DocScrutinizer can't say he's actually axcious to see harmattan coming Feb 07 20:43:46 I'm not axcious either Feb 07 20:43:49 anxious* Feb 07 20:43:53 well, depends, what's axcious? Feb 07 20:44:43 I've bought over 40 games ever since the ps3 came out, maybe I'm just using them too much? Feb 07 20:44:54 MohammadAG: have you been following the homebrew scene? Feb 07 20:47:18 crashanddie_, not much, went to OFW the other day Feb 07 20:48:53 hmm Feb 07 21:44:01 can someone check something for me? Feb 07 21:44:25 what's that? Feb 07 21:44:25 open modest, go to some folder, tap the title bar, select move message, tap any message and click move Feb 07 21:44:31 what does the dialog button say? Feb 07 21:44:42 you can select any message, you're cancelling the dialog after all Feb 07 21:50:33 "New" Feb 07 21:53:17 anidel, thanks Feb 07 21:53:31 you're welcome Feb 07 21:55:43 the SMS box needs spell check D: Feb 07 21:55:57 what does it say Feb 07 22:03:21 hey again Feb 07 22:04:09 alterego: ping Feb 07 22:13:47 alterego: I looked at you Maemo5ToolButton source and made something similar, although I didn't make a subclass for it Feb 07 22:15:38 alterego: however the code that removes the border also removes the background when pressed... :( Feb 07 22:15:50 alterego: it's setStyleSheet("QToolButton {border: none}"); Feb 07 22:16:28 alterego: without this, there's an annoying border around it Feb 07 22:23:11 what is the recommended/most used twitter app on N900? Feb 07 22:25:54 trumee: tweego is nice Feb 07 22:26:16 Robot101: thanks. will try that out Feb 07 22:27:04 Robot101: was that sip MWI code useful at all? Feb 07 22:28:00 I gave it to our sip guy but he's been working on some other stuff atm Feb 07 22:30:34 Robot101: ok, like improving this bug #10388 :p Feb 07 22:30:35 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10388 Choppy audio in SIP conversation, WLAN power save problem? Feb 07 22:32:58 trumee: no, that's be an rtp guy Feb 07 22:33:58 evening chaps Feb 07 22:35:18 Robot101: rtp guy= olivier? Feb 07 22:52:07 I'm guessing it is possible, but can one get keypresses from /dev/input?/* directly? Feb 07 22:52:24 e.g. in a shell script named init ;) Feb 07 22:52:40 yes, but from a shell script might no be that easy Feb 07 22:53:05 dd to pull out 16 byte chunks. hmm. Feb 07 22:53:21 hmm Feb 07 22:53:24 I think you can pull key up/down events. Feb 07 22:53:27 using dd Feb 07 22:53:35 so I need to read 16 byte chunks basically? Feb 07 22:53:35 but then mapping them to chars will be hard Feb 07 22:53:54 the /dev/input/* are in 16 byte chunks with event structures Feb 07 22:54:00 which have timestamps and shizzle. Feb 07 22:54:11 you might /dev/console instead Feb 07 22:54:15 *want Feb 07 22:54:35 but /dev/console won't be accepting input at that point will it? Feb 07 22:54:52 or does it automatically receive keypresses during boot? Feb 07 22:55:08 well, there's a way the first shell gets its keypresses :) Feb 07 22:55:41 Actually - seems to be 48 bytes Feb 07 22:56:44 javispedro: yeah, but it probably opens the /dev files Feb 07 22:56:44 k00002c10 7c 78 50 4d fa 7f 0b 00 04 00 04 00 25 00 00 00 ||xPMú.......%...| Feb 07 22:56:44 00002c20 7c 78 50 4d 08 80 0b 00 01 00 25 00 00 00 00 00 ||xPM......%.....| Feb 07 22:56:44 00002c30 7c 78 50 4d 0b 80 0b 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 00 ||xPM............| Feb 07 22:56:47 keyup of a k Feb 07 22:56:56 the % is the k Feb 07 22:56:56 hmm Feb 07 22:57:01 lardman: nah, a shell will never read /dev/input/* directly Feb 07 22:57:02 I think Feb 07 22:57:15 stdin then? Feb 07 22:57:22 stdin points to /dev/console Feb 07 22:57:23 or is console read write? Feb 07 22:57:26 ok Feb 07 22:57:28 something hooks the shell to the console Feb 07 22:57:30 yep, it's a tty Feb 07 22:57:43 but I'll have the same issue I guess that I need to read from it somehow Feb 07 22:57:55 i'm unsure if the shell will read the console normally Feb 07 22:58:20 I'll explain what I want to do, might make life easier and you may have a better suggestion: Feb 07 22:58:21 lardman, whatcha hacking around with? :) Feb 07 22:59:07 reading the accel fromshell is a doddle. Feb 07 22:59:09 Galaxy Tab, I've changed init to look for a btrfs partition on the external SD or a vfat partition + meego.img ext2 loop file, but sometimes I would like to just boot Android without needing to remove the uSD card Feb 07 22:59:22 I have half a script to do this. Feb 07 22:59:27 If one way up, do one thing Feb 07 22:59:31 if the other, do another Feb 07 22:59:32 :) Feb 07 22:59:56 presumably the eventX device returns different data for that then? Feb 07 23:00:14 as on the Tab the accelerometer is mapped to an eventX device afair Feb 07 23:00:30 read x y z < /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-001d/coord Feb 07 23:00:30 if [[ $z -lt -800 ]] Feb 07 23:00:44 lardman, isn't there some GPIO device? Feb 07 23:01:01 like a keylock switch, camera cover, keyboard, etc Feb 07 23:01:14 yeah - that too. Feb 07 23:01:40 * SpeedEvil wonders why mbarcode is segfaulting on open camera. Feb 07 23:01:44 there's an on/off switch, a vol up, vol down, and some touchscreen buttons which seem to work and are apparently mapped to an eventX dev Feb 07 23:01:58 Oh - this was a tab question? Feb 07 23:01:59 * lardman also wonders at SpeedEvil's problem Feb 07 23:02:08 * javispedro messed his xorg =) Feb 07 23:02:13 lardman: I have way too much stuff installed. Feb 07 23:02:18 find /sys -name state Feb 07 23:02:36 if android has those Feb 07 23:02:47 what does that look for? Feb 07 23:02:50 state files? Feb 07 23:03:07 * lardman goes to find the Tab, hang on a tick Feb 07 23:03:27 gpio devices usually have a state file Feb 07 23:03:36 indicating "open" or "closed" Feb 07 23:03:46 re Feb 07 23:05:47 so I have some gpio state files Feb 07 23:06:01 and some graphics state files Feb 07 23:06:11 none of which look like likely suspects Feb 07 23:07:53 gpio-keys... hmm Feb 07 23:09:09 hmm ok, I'll do some shell script experimentation to see what these random gpio dirs refer to Feb 07 23:11:10 ~curse the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell Feb 07 23:11:11 May you be reincarnated as a Windows XP administrator, the Android devs who decided that Tab wouldn't be accepted by the shell ! Feb 07 23:11:24 hmm, perhaps a step up, not a good curse Feb 07 23:12:36 * pahartik has noticed that "Fennec beta 4" is otherwise good but does not have "double tap element width zoom" anymore Feb 07 23:14:02 * ieatlint acknowledges the observation Feb 07 23:14:12 hm fennec no longer `eats ram like candy'? Feb 07 23:15:31 hmm, how long does package promotion actually take? Feb 07 23:15:38 -devel to -testing Feb 07 23:18:02 A package can have a single maintainer and multiple uploaders I understand, are all these listed people able to promote said package? Feb 07 23:19:00 if they're listed in the maintainer section in maemo.org/packages, yes Feb 07 23:19:18 nox-: I have not noticed such with "Fennec beta 3" or "Fennec beta 4", but then again... Browsers I use never load images by default or execute "application/javascript"... Proxy even strips "script" -elements out from documents Feb 07 23:19:26 I thought the maintainer field could only have one person Feb 07 23:19:30 ? Feb 07 23:20:29 ieatlint: Has that feature fallen out by accident or is it disabled by purpose? Feb 07 23:21:24 no clue Feb 07 23:21:27 hey guys Feb 07 23:21:29 urgh, /me looks at the 06.28 train he needs to catch on Wed Feb 07 23:22:41 Ive got n900, any idea what opengl version it supports Feb 07 23:22:49 is it 2.0 or ES Feb 07 23:22:56 es 2.0 afair Feb 07 23:23:21 lardman: i can sympathise.. i have to get up at 7am every day this week, drive 45 miles and then stare at slides for 8 hours Feb 07 23:23:35 but they do give me mediocre coffee Feb 07 23:23:44 ieatlint: /me feels pain at the 8hours of slide staring Feb 07 23:23:49 lol Feb 07 23:24:07 I have to go to a 2hr meeting, and it will take be the best part of 3.5h to get there Feb 07 23:24:22 :( Feb 07 23:24:27 they don't pay enough these days to drive and that would take at least 2.5h Feb 07 23:24:37 at least I can do some work on the train Feb 07 23:24:49 tomorrow i have to do a conference call for an hour before the 8h of slides, and then meet my boss for dinner afterwards Feb 07 23:25:03 long day Feb 07 23:25:03 capitalism sucks Feb 07 23:25:19 depends where you sit the chain I guess Feb 07 23:25:21 :) Feb 07 23:25:31 sit in the chain that should have been Feb 07 23:25:32 haha, yeah Feb 07 23:25:40 not thinking about choking people Feb 07 23:25:56 i'm kinda thinking about strangling people actually Feb 07 23:26:23 strangling is better than choking, comes on more gradually and is less uncomfortable so they won't realise you;re doing it Feb 07 23:26:30 ;) Feb 07 23:26:38 not always true Feb 07 23:26:54 javispedro: out of interest: you probably didn't happen to have the drivers packaged for the DisplayLink setup, did you? I've bought myself one... :P (or a more detailed howto? :) ) Feb 07 23:26:58 ieatlint: really, how so? Feb 07 23:27:25 strangle is just an act... it doesn't really describe how violent the act is Feb 07 23:27:33 kodomo: no, no way to sanely package the entire thing, as it's basically Xorg (Xvnc). Feb 07 23:27:36 i can violently strangle someone with a chain, for example Feb 07 23:27:51 no, strangle is cutting off the blood supply, while choking is cutting off the air supply Feb 07 23:27:52 that is, if i weren't a weak geek i could Feb 07 23:28:19 is less uncomfortable to have your bloody supply cut off than your air supply Feb 07 23:28:50 i think a practical demonstration is required here Feb 07 23:29:01 * javispedro wonders if he just entered a alternate reality Feb 07 23:29:30 is this the alternate universe's #maemo evil twin channel? Feb 07 23:29:33 lol Feb 07 23:29:47 :P Feb 07 23:30:03 maemo: use it. or die. with a chain. Feb 07 23:30:04 just come out for the meego conference and i'll show you which one of me is the real one Feb 07 23:30:07 well it is a slightly strange conversation; I do Aikido though, and was practising chokes and strangles the other day, hence my interest Feb 07 23:31:38 that's killed the conversation, probably strangled as there were no last gasps, let's move on :) Feb 07 23:31:39 javispedro: ic - so I guess that you had to compile the mentioned parts yourself in the SDK? Was it rather straightforward, or were there pitfalls, I should know of when I'll try to reproduce it? ;) Feb 07 23:32:10 you're the second one to ask... .I don't remember any pitfalls. Then again, the first one who asked never came back, maybe the pitfall is that Xorg is volatile or something... Feb 07 23:33:20 hm :-| Feb 07 23:37:26 javispedro: thx for the answer - let's see whether I can figure it out... Feb 07 23:37:42 you might want to start with something simpler Feb 07 23:37:48 x11vnc (already packaged) Feb 07 23:38:16 then vnc2dl Feb 07 23:38:28 ( http://libdlo.freedesktop.org/wiki/vnc2dl ) Feb 07 23:39:36 do not expect video or games performance, but it works ok for office use. Feb 07 23:40:02 that's what I intend it for ;) Feb 07 23:40:42 won't I need to compile libdlo before vnc2dl, or is it contained in vnc2dl? Feb 07 23:40:50 yes Feb 07 23:40:52 er Feb 07 23:40:55 libdlo first. Feb 07 23:41:17 that came with a nice test app. Feb 07 23:46:44 TAck - will try (will take time, though - I'm still waiting for some adapter, and I've got to reinstall the SDK :P ) Feb 08 00:34:06 night all Feb 08 00:34:23 o/ Feb 08 02:30:48 My N900 is fully working and set up again after being replaced by Nokia Care. YAY. Feb 08 02:30:56 Now I can start some real development on the thing :) Feb 08 02:33:38 Woo! Feb 08 02:33:48 Was the board swapped? Feb 08 02:38:54 congrats on progress w/ Nokia Care, jonwil Feb 08 02:39:14 They claim in their notes that it was a complete handset replacement Feb 08 02:39:16 i.e. a new handset Feb 08 02:39:22 not a repair Feb 08 02:39:42 what ill did you experience with the former? Feb 08 02:42:52 p.s. my question to the peanut gallery here: How do I successfully set up Nokia SDK to compile extra kernel modules (from in-tree kernel sources) for N900? Feb 08 02:43:05 jonwil: what did you do to it again? Feb 08 02:43:09 there's a USB to serial port driver in-tree that I want Feb 08 02:43:58 The indicator LED was busted Feb 08 02:44:10 Why they replaced the handset and didnt do a flexboard replacement only Nokia knows **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 08 02:59:57 2011