**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Feb 21 02:59:57 2011 Feb 21 03:24:29 * jonwil is fearful his N900 USB port is damaged, just the slightest bump causes the charger to stop charging Feb 21 03:30:26 eeeew Feb 21 03:30:52 could be the plug/cale though Feb 21 03:30:58 cable* Feb 21 03:33:47 jonwil: aw Feb 21 03:33:52 mine did that Feb 21 03:34:07 then i had to wedge the cable in a certain way Feb 21 03:34:12 and then it stopped working Feb 21 03:34:16 get your backup now Feb 21 03:38:12 and I thought Nokia hardware was known for its reliability Feb 21 03:38:34 None of my 3 Motorola phones ever suffered any serious hardware failures Feb 21 03:38:50 one of them needed a new upper keypad Feb 21 03:39:09 but even then most of the buttons still worked Feb 21 03:46:08 I hope this is actually charging my phone, it looks like it is but I cant be sure from what I can see Feb 21 03:46:17 alice (telefonica or a italican provider )hardware is really bad; they can apply remotely firmware upgrades; can provide move infos tomorrow Feb 21 03:47:23 What hardware is this? Feb 21 03:49:59 http://www.alice-wiki.de/Alice_IAD_3231_WLAN Feb 21 03:53:51 * jonwil doesnt speak that language :P Feb 21 03:53:58 German I am guessing Feb 21 03:55:35 hmmm, I wonder if my N900 is actually charging, the charging light is flashing and battery.rechargeable.is_charging is showing up as true in hal-device bme Feb 21 03:55:46 but battery.charge_level.percentage is at zero Feb 21 03:56:01 and battery.charge_level.capacity_state is low Feb 21 03:56:22 Anything I can do to see ifs actually putting juice into the battery? Feb 21 03:56:45 it also says maemo.charger.type = host 500 Ma Feb 21 03:56:55 and maemo.charge.status = connected Feb 21 03:57:05 and maemo.rechargeable.charging_status = on Feb 21 03:57:10 so I am sure its recharging Feb 21 03:57:13 its just taking time Feb 21 03:57:31 * jonwil will leave it for an hour or so and check again Feb 21 04:02:36 hmmm strange; is battery not in /proc/acpi Feb 21 04:06:49 * jonwil is very worried that his battery isn't actually charging Feb 21 04:11:24 battery.charge_level.percentage is remaining stubbornly at zero Feb 21 04:15:09 jonwil: use bq27200 script Feb 21 04:17:19 when it says maemo.charger.type = host 500 Ma then you probably got no short in D+/- of USB Feb 21 04:18:04 IroN900:~# find /sys -name charger Feb 21 04:18:06 /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger Feb 21 04:18:21 IroN900:~# cat /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger Feb 21 04:18:23 1 Feb 21 04:18:37 == short of D+/- Feb 21 04:18:42 that prints zero Feb 21 04:18:47 at the momeny Feb 21 04:18:51 plugged into wall charger Feb 21 04:19:01 is zero the right value Feb 21 04:19:31 then either wallcharger plug/cable or N900 USB receptacle is defect. Scrutinize contacts of plug and receptacle Feb 21 04:20:03 (of course you can also cause this effect with a bug in kernel) Feb 21 04:20:30 I am running stock N900 kernel Feb 21 04:20:59 try hooking N900 to PC and see if data transfer (i.e. ENUM) is working Feb 21 04:21:14 data transfer seems to work in that it asked me what mode I wanted Feb 21 04:21:33 lsusb on PC Feb 21 04:21:54 or check syslog Feb 21 04:21:59 of PC Feb 21 04:23:26 if that's OK, use a magnifying glass to check charger USB plug's contacts Feb 21 04:23:36 ok, ovi suite can see my N900 and is able to do a backup (or so it claims) Feb 21 04:23:47 good Feb 21 04:24:53 IroN900:~# cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus Feb 21 04:24:55 1 Feb 21 04:25:01 5V of USB Feb 21 04:25:29 prints s1 Feb 21 04:25:32 1 Feb 21 04:26:26 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/bq27200.sh Feb 21 04:27:27 where do I get i2cget? Feb 21 04:27:38 extras-devel Feb 21 04:27:59 i2c-tools Feb 21 04:29:02 IroN900:~# apt-cache policy i2c-tools Feb 21 04:29:20 maybe extras Feb 21 04:29:31 or testing Feb 21 04:29:33 found it Feb 21 04:29:51 is it normal for it to give me scary sounding warnings? Feb 21 04:29:54 I am guessing yes Feb 21 04:30:14 yes Feb 21 04:30:16 ignore Feb 21 04:30:36 I wonder wtf apt-cache means by Feb 21 04:30:39 Version table: Feb 21 04:30:41 3.0.2-1maemo3 0 Feb 21 04:30:42 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages Feb 21 04:30:44 3.0.2-1maemo2 0 Feb 21 04:30:45 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages Feb 21 04:30:47 3.0.2-1maemo1 0 Feb 21 04:30:48 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle-1.2/free Packages Feb 21 04:32:20 jonwil: TTF!=65535 means it's charging Feb 21 04:32:45 TTE!=65535 means it's discharging Feb 21 04:33:08 TimeToFull/Empty are minutes afaik Feb 21 04:36:32 hmmm, i2c-tools is not installing properly, I have the .deb, I am root and I am running dpkg -i i2c-tools_3.0.2-1maemo3_armel.deb Feb 21 04:36:48 its sitting there with the warning Feb 21 04:36:50 and nothing else Feb 21 04:37:24 errr Feb 21 04:37:33 you clicked OK? Feb 21 04:37:34 as in its not installing Feb 21 04:37:55 wait, this is comming from dpkg not from anything GUI Feb 21 04:38:04 so a terminal window Feb 21 04:38:13 aah Feb 21 04:38:17 it displays the warning about being dangerious and just sits there Feb 21 04:38:27 damgerous Feb 21 04:38:37 no idea, there's some preinstall script popping up that requester Feb 21 04:39:10 dunno what it's doing via dpkg Feb 21 04:39:41 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/i2cget Feb 21 04:39:51 wget to $PATH Feb 21 04:39:57 chmod a+x Feb 21 04:40:03 aha, it displayed something on the GUI after all Feb 21 04:40:06 with an OK button Feb 21 04:40:15 now its installed Feb 21 04:40:18 thought as much Feb 21 04:41:47 ok, its priniting a TTF of 304 and a TTE of 65535 Feb 21 04:41:59 avrg current? Feb 21 04:42:07 398ma Feb 21 04:42:25 does that mean juice IS in fact going into my battery? Feb 21 04:42:53 damn, 0.4*304/60 Feb 21 04:42:58 yeah Feb 21 04:43:09 it's charging with 400mA Feb 21 04:43:19 well TTF may be wrong Feb 21 04:43:20 which makes sense for being connected to my PC Feb 21 04:43:53 otoh 5h*0.3A Feb 21 04:44:01 err 0.4A Feb 21 04:44:16 hmmm Feb 21 04:44:56 run bq27200.sh 10 Feb 21 04:45:03 lock screen Feb 21 04:45:13 see what mA you get Feb 21 04:45:28 what's Voltage? Feb 21 04:45:44 Reported Battery Voltage: 4161 mV Feb 21 04:46:00 mv is 3902 Feb 21 04:46:04 and going up Feb 21 04:46:10 looks ok Feb 21 04:46:25 this is after plugging in the wall charger Feb 21 04:46:34 it now says ma is 901 Feb 21 04:46:41 ttf is 100 Feb 21 04:46:41 wooohooo Feb 21 04:46:49 tte is 65535 Feb 21 04:46:50 much better Feb 21 04:46:59 rsoc and csoc are 51 Feb 21 04:47:18 those may be quite off Feb 21 04:47:34 now hal-device bme says "percentage" = 15 Feb 21 04:47:36 yay Feb 21 04:47:38 also absolute values of TTF and TTE are just guesswork Feb 21 04:48:30 yeah, you said it's sensitive to slightest touch to plug/cable Feb 21 04:49:31 so back to square one Feb 21 04:50:41 my guess is that if I dont touch it and let it charge, it will work Feb 21 04:50:42 either wallcharger plug/cable or N900 USB receptacle is defect. Scrutinize contacts of plug and receptacle Feb 21 04:54:13 bq27200.sh 5 >temp.txt&; watch (cat cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger; tail -n 1 temp.txt) Feb 21 04:57:20 oh sheeeesh 6o' Feb 21 04:57:49 yawn'o'clock Feb 21 04:57:56 DocScrutinizer: you never sleep? Feb 21 04:58:00 anyway, good night Feb 21 04:58:16 Venemo: nope, I never sleep Feb 21 04:58:20 temp is going up btw Feb 21 04:58:23 now at 42 Feb 21 04:58:28 is that bad? Feb 21 04:58:32 not at all Feb 21 04:58:50 that's die temp of charger chip Feb 21 04:58:54 ok let's see Feb 21 04:58:57 it's mostly irrelevant Feb 21 04:59:00 if somebody knows a lot of Maemo here Feb 21 04:59:21 what in the hell creates the files in ~/.cache/launch ? Feb 21 04:59:31 maemo-launcher does I think Feb 21 04:59:36 err nope, wait Feb 21 04:59:46 those are images like screenshots of those applications Feb 21 04:59:54 that's not charger chip, so it's die temp of the gauge chip Feb 21 05:00:07 doesn't sound dangerous Feb 21 05:00:08 those are loaded by maemo-invoker/maemo-launcher when you click an icon, it shows you that screenshot until the application is full loaded Feb 21 05:00:40 (and yes, it's sad that Maemo shows us screenshots of the applications before they are loaded) Feb 21 05:01:07 Sc0rpius: so what's your question? Feb 21 05:01:10 right now I just need to get the battery charged Feb 21 05:02:24 well I modified Modest heavily and somehow the screenshot is not being updated there, so I wanted to know what creates it to troubleshoot it Feb 21 05:03:03 jonwil: right. nevertheless watch the states of those 2 sysnodes, so you can tell instantly when something odd happens Feb 21 05:03:31 it's app launcher that creates it, and you can simply delete it Feb 21 05:03:53 yes, but I want to know what tells app launcher to create one Feb 21 05:04:06 the code? Feb 21 05:04:15 since it's very weird, I changed the initial window of Modest and the screenshot cache is not updated anymore Feb 21 05:04:46 I'm not sure what exactly does the screenies and when they are taken, but it's an inherent hildon function afaik Feb 21 05:04:50 it's not like the launcher creates a screenshot for everything, it's very specific Feb 21 05:04:58 hmm but it's a hint anyway Feb 21 05:05:02 now I guess I know what to google Feb 21 05:05:20 Sc0rpius: it's some tag in .desktop afaik Feb 21 05:05:35 pv Feb 21 05:05:39 hmmm mmmm Feb 21 05:05:43 now I know they are called PVR files Feb 21 05:05:45 or sth like that Feb 21 05:06:09 pvr yeah Feb 21 05:06:31 All the relavent hildon parts are open source AFAIK Feb 21 05:06:34 including maemo-launcher Feb 21 05:10:12 is somewhere around 900ma normal for the nokia wall charger Feb 21 05:10:14 ? Feb 21 05:10:25 it's done by hildon_take_screenshot() I think Feb 21 05:10:29 hmmh Feb 21 05:10:32 or something like that Feb 21 05:10:35 I broke my other n900 again :D Feb 21 05:10:36 grep for screenshot Feb 21 05:11:02 it had broken earpiece. now the earpiece is working, but keyboard feels "stuck" and barely opens. Feb 21 05:11:11 and n900 thinks the keyboard is open all the time Feb 21 05:11:29 oh well Feb 21 05:12:07 my keyboard got "stuck" once Feb 21 05:12:31 hmm, no, that was the N95, nvm Feb 21 05:13:16 wow but I can't find where Modest creates the PVR file and its .desktop file doesn't look like has a tag for it Feb 21 05:13:28 hildon_take_screenshot? Feb 21 05:13:51 hildon_gtk_window_take_screenshot maybe? Feb 21 05:13:53 let's see Feb 21 05:14:13 src/modest-ui-actions.c: hildon_gtk_window_take_screenshot (parent_window, FALSE); Feb 21 05:14:16 I finally found the bastard Feb 21 05:16:35 What is the advised way of running a startup program as user 'user', for example, via /etc/event.d, in Maemo 5? Feb 21 05:21:54 Sc0rpius: yeah, I can't find any tag in .desktop as well Feb 21 05:22:48 ebzzry: su -l user foobar ? Feb 21 05:23:38 DocScrutinizer: let me try that. Feb 21 05:23:49 though that's probably not what you want to do. I guess you want a .desktop file with autostart tag Feb 21 05:24:19 some are using queenbeecon Feb 21 05:24:36 I notice that the PC usb cable does better at keeping the connection than the wall charger Feb 21 05:24:42 so maybe my wall charger is broken Feb 21 05:25:02 X-Maemo-Prestarted=always Feb 21 05:25:04 X-Maemo-Prestarted-Priority=2000 Feb 21 05:25:38 jonwil: that's what I try to tell you since how long? :-D Feb 21 05:25:58 DocScrutinizer: OK Feb 21 05:26:28 /usr/share/applications/hildon/modest.desktop Feb 21 05:26:40 as a template Feb 21 05:26:57 * jonwil hopes its the charger that's broken and not the phone Feb 21 05:27:24 that's why I suggest to carefully scrutinize the contacts in plug Feb 21 05:27:39 * jonwil doesnt have good eyesight or a magnifier Feb 21 05:27:45 a defect plug can destroy the receptacle! Feb 21 05:29:24 a defect plug can destroy the receptacle! Feb 21 05:38:43 X-Fade: quick! fix the builder: https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2011-February/ Feb 21 05:39:50 the X-Maemo-Prestarted is to run the application all the time Feb 21 05:40:13 it defines the application as a background one Feb 21 05:40:21 anyway I fixed the screenshot thing :) Feb 21 05:40:53 applications ran like that can't be killed wigh SIGKILL or killall, you have to dsmetool -k them Feb 21 05:41:14 well they can be killed, but they are respawned Feb 21 05:43:37 so how can I tell if my charger has broken contacts without a magnifier? Feb 21 05:46:19 first check cat /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-1/1-0048/twl4030_usb/vbus /sys/devices/platform/musb_hdrc/charger Feb 21 05:46:50 depending on which one goes to 0, you know what to look for Feb 21 05:48:26 then get either a mag glass, or a new charger Feb 21 05:56:17 also when you pull out the USB plug just 1mm (with your fingernails between jack and case) and it stops charging, that's most probably an indications that contacts in either plug or receptacle are bent Feb 21 05:57:15 Feb 21 05:57:21 Moo all. Feb 21 05:57:26 reyawn Feb 21 05:57:35 moo Feb 21 05:59:40 hmmm, damn, it looks like the N900 browser UI is closed source :( Feb 21 06:01:36 Doc: Anything interesting? Disasters? Mergers? Premature bankrupcies? Feb 21 06:27:07 my N900's USB connection only gives a read-only partition Feb 21 06:27:12 any clue how I can debug this? Feb 21 06:27:41 ah nvm, corrupted partition Feb 21 06:27:42 [117440.560569] FAT: Filesystem error (dev sdg) Feb 21 06:27:42 [117440.560571] fat_get_cluster: invalid cluster chain (i_pos 35047460) Feb 21 07:39:42 hooray, my N900 is fully charged Feb 21 07:39:44 :) Feb 21 07:40:11 \o/ Feb 21 08:15:59 Linux: The ability to run your applications and such from a chroot into a disk image while installing from a LiveCD :D Feb 21 09:02:16 hm, the led on my n900 doesn't seem to turn on at any situation anymore Feb 21 09:02:37 how would I determine if it's a software or a hardware issue? Feb 21 09:02:59 flux, sounds like the problem I had a while back Feb 21 09:03:03 might be a hardware fault Feb 21 09:03:37 I guess it's time to bite the bullet and try the service Feb 21 09:04:46 but I guess some daemon is responsible for the leds, and perhaps I could control the leds directly from some /sys file? Feb 21 09:09:09 Sigh, weren't MicroUSB connectors meant to break on the cable side? *wonder* Feb 21 09:09:23 What's the fastest procedure to get a N900 fixed by Nokia? Feb 21 09:09:35 No, they have been meant to bend on the plug side, then break off Feb 21 09:10:27 flux, yeah you could... search on tmo about it... Feb 21 09:21:49 RST38h, well, on my N900 this seems to have happened :( Feb 21 09:21:56 Wonder if the E61 still works, ... Feb 21 09:22:24 Would be preferable to a Samsung Star as a replacement device, ... Feb 21 09:24:45 * jonwil hopes that the charging issue with his wall charger don't require another trip to Nokia Care Feb 21 09:26:37 doesn't Feb 21 09:28:43 hehe Feb 21 09:31:33 * jonwil gives up on seeing SMS-CB working ever Feb 21 09:32:12 On maemo you mean :P Feb 21 09:32:15 I lack the skills to reverse engineer the SMS stuff, no-one with the skills exists in the Maemo community (or if they do, they dont care) and its unlikely Nokia are going to fix the bug or release the code Feb 21 09:32:35 What bug? Feb 21 09:33:06 there is a bug in the Cell Broadcast code in libsms.so/libcsd-sms.so Feb 21 09:33:26 does cell-broadcast show interesting stuff? Feb 21 09:33:31 How do you know? What's the behaviour? Feb 21 09:33:41 I know because I can see the bug in IDA Feb 21 09:33:46 I can see why the code is not doing what it should Feb 21 09:33:52 It would likely be a 1-line fix if we had the relavent code Feb 21 09:34:45 this isn't the place to request opening components Feb 21 09:34:46 I still think you should try and get ofono working .. Feb 21 09:34:54 ofono will never work on Maemo Feb 21 09:35:05 It already works on maemo Feb 21 09:35:14 which is the name of the fm radio application for the n900? Feb 21 09:35:35 I installed one which shows a big radio dial but it didn't work, no fm stations were detected by it Feb 21 09:35:49 You need an antenna AFAIK Feb 21 09:35:55 jatt: did you plug in the headphones? Feb 21 09:36:00 no Feb 21 09:36:13 does it only work with the (original) headphones? Feb 21 09:36:21 jatt: no, any shoul d do Feb 21 09:36:42 why do I need headphones for it? Feb 21 09:37:24 Because they act as the antenna Feb 21 09:37:38 have you never used a portable fm radio before? Feb 21 09:38:59 nope Feb 21 09:39:17 ok, will try with the headphones then, thanks Feb 21 09:39:37 why does ofono need FM antenna? Feb 21 09:39:44 jatt: a 100 MHz signal has a wavelength of 3 meters, and you generally need an antenna of at least 1/4 the wavelength to get a decent signal, i.e. 3/4 meter... the phone itself isn't that long, but the headphone cord is... Feb 21 09:39:48 It doesn't Feb 21 09:39:59 pupnik: the fm radio app does, Feb 21 09:40:12 10:34 < jonwil> ofono will never work on Maemo Feb 21 09:40:12 10:34 < alterego> It already works on maemo Feb 21 09:40:18 ahh nm Feb 21 09:40:26 pupnik: :) Feb 21 09:40:30 pupnik: :) Feb 21 09:40:33 brb Feb 21 09:40:51 ofono may compile and run on maemo. But there are a LOT of things which talk to the maemo telephony stack that will fail to work and need to be replaced or ripped out Feb 21 09:41:03 yes Feb 21 09:41:09 villager: interesting fact, thanks Feb 21 09:41:17 got any good howto for ofono Feb 21 09:41:59 It is not possible to get ofono to work on maemo without some features currently present on the phone failing to work Feb 21 09:42:25 until someone actually dose the job of making them work Feb 21 09:42:44 you cant even make a phonecall without replacing the Maemo dialer with the inferior meego dialer Feb 21 09:44:53 villager: that's not exactly true Feb 21 09:45:26 villager: if your signal is strong enough then even couple cm aerial will do Feb 21 09:51:02 so yeah "replace with ofono" is not the option for most people who actually USE all the features of their n900 that rely on the current telephony stack Feb 21 09:52:09 jacekowski: sure... I was saying "generally", it's not always the case... but from what I've learned, the real amplification effect of an antenna only kicks in when the length is a multiple of 1/4 of the wavelength Feb 21 09:52:17 approx. Feb 21 09:52:33 jonwil, the "inferior" dialier has one major benefit - its OSS Feb 21 09:52:47 and can be continually improved Feb 21 09:53:32 I am determined to finish my reverse engineering of at least ONE of my target binaries on the N900 though :P Feb 21 09:53:40 lcuk: If the required docs are there. Feb 21 09:53:45 and normally a FM signal is too weak to be received without an antenna amplifying it... Feb 21 09:53:46 (or nice people reverse it) Feb 21 09:54:07 lcuk: not a benefit, as far as I am concerned Feb 21 09:54:19 Has to be usable first, only then it might be open source Feb 21 09:57:10 ffs, will someone fix the autobuilder allready >:( Feb 21 09:59:02 alterego: it is open source, fix it yourself! =) Feb 21 09:59:02 Maybe I will dive even deeper into the bowels of the Nokia Maemo dialer to try and reverse engineer it Feb 21 09:59:06 send a patch etc Feb 21 09:59:28 "SLS technology - high power laser beam is shooting onto liquid nylon and changing the liquid into solid bit by bit. Layer by layer." cool Feb 21 10:02:36 Also wrong Feb 21 10:05:01 * jonwil wishes it was easier to obtain changelogs for stuff only found in the SSU repos/on the phone and not found in the SDK repos Feb 21 10:09:08 RST38h: it's in a build loop building curl Feb 21 10:09:47 I woke up to a 400 full inbox of UNKNOWN builds of curl .. Feb 21 10:26:26 hey is there an easy way to make a list of installed packages so i can re-install them after flashing? Feb 21 10:26:40 dpkg -l Feb 21 10:26:56 also the backup utility makes a list that will allow to install them Feb 21 10:27:12 will that give me the name of the repository the package belongs to also? Feb 21 10:27:30 yeah, i was thinking i'll do a clean install, because i wanted to dual-boot meego Feb 21 10:27:42 dpkg -l ? nope Feb 21 10:27:49 just a list of all packages and some extra stuff Feb 21 10:28:01 that'll still help, thanks ruskie Feb 21 10:30:29 the list is too long to fit in the buffer :( any thing that pauses the list like in dir /p? Feb 21 10:32:29 just dpkg -l > list.txt ? Feb 21 10:33:32 :) Feb 21 10:34:01 that'd do it :) thanks, i'm a bit of a retard with linux Feb 21 10:34:18 no wait Feb 21 10:34:30 that wouldn't work, would it? Feb 21 10:34:36 why wouldnt it? Feb 21 10:34:46 (hint: it does) Feb 21 10:37:57 it did :D thanks! Feb 21 10:47:24 is the source for rtcom-messaging-ui somewhere available? i can't find it Feb 21 10:48:07 nope, its not Feb 21 10:48:21 it either is or isn't available Feb 21 10:48:24 azog: mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/find?string=rtcom-messaging-ui Feb 21 10:48:34 its not available Feb 21 10:48:38 but that's not interesting, knowing which tools can help you is Feb 21 10:48:57 jonwil =~ s/its not/it isn't/g Feb 21 10:49:24 its one of the many pieces of UI code that is closed source because of "product differentiation" (as Nokia puts itP) Feb 21 10:49:25 too bad, i imported all my old sms in el-v1.db with sqlite, and now a few have the sender (null) Feb 21 10:49:26 [it would be it's not its, but it's better to use it+isn't] Feb 21 10:49:44 Azog: the database is sqlite Feb 21 10:49:59 timeless: i know, that's how i imported all the sms Feb 21 10:50:00 so fixing it is something you can do w/o sources... Feb 21 10:50:22 but for some strange reasons, some have the sender (null) Feb 21 10:50:43 even if i take the same format as working entries Feb 21 10:58:54 Azog, what he's saying is... examine the raw database... and see if they have the same data in there Feb 21 10:59:09 if it's missing in the db as well than that's your problem Feb 21 11:02:41 ruskie: the problem is, that the rows from the database look the same Feb 21 11:10:57 hmm, question = what happens to the design of the n9 and the prototypes? Feb 21 11:11:52 kerio, nokia prototype phone throwing competition Feb 21 11:12:01 (it's real thing) Feb 21 11:12:04 so they're still not going to build the n9? Feb 21 11:12:05 :( Feb 21 11:12:19 The N9 will be WP7 :P Feb 21 11:12:24 D: Feb 21 11:12:29 * kerio won't buy that Feb 21 11:13:07 I heard the original N9 thing has been scrapped, software was so late that hardware would've been outdated by time it would've been out Feb 21 11:13:16 :< Feb 21 11:13:20 maemo is out now! Feb 21 11:15:36 The revised N9 design will be used for one of the first WP7 devices I heard. Feb 21 11:16:05 Which means that, hopefully if the bootload is okay, we can boot meego on it :x Feb 21 11:16:14 But I think that may be quite unlikely. :( Feb 21 11:17:58 alterego: what do you notice about http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Windows_Phone_devices ? :P Feb 21 11:19:14 Robot101: Heh Feb 21 11:24:56 maemo is out? Feb 21 11:25:05 it's in Feb 21 11:25:17 It's up Feb 21 11:25:49 it's around Feb 21 11:26:01 meego is out? Feb 21 11:28:28 jatt: sentence is vague? Feb 21 11:33:58 morning Feb 21 11:34:00 alterego: ping Feb 21 11:34:12 do maemo apps work on meego? Feb 21 11:34:27 toadpole, depends on the app Feb 21 11:34:43 but well written Qt apps certainly do! try for example puzzle-master Feb 21 11:34:50 thx lcuk:) Feb 21 11:35:03 * lcuk tips cap Feb 21 11:35:34 Venemo, it works well :) Feb 21 11:35:51 lcuk: o7 Feb 21 11:37:19 ( lcuk, btw, you know what o7 is, don't you? ) Feb 21 11:37:47 nop Feb 21 11:39:13 lcuk: it is the same figure as o/ the difference being that 7 expresses a salutating hand Feb 21 11:40:05 * lcuk wonders what an ASCII Rimmer salute would look like o_O Feb 21 11:40:39 ( http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aXdtUISSHuo for reference ) Feb 21 11:41:40 lcuk: btw, have you tried the latest version? Feb 21 11:42:08 the new series is not out yet, but I expect his salute to be even more impressive Feb 21 11:42:54 lcuk: I mean, latest version of puzzle-master. which is out. :P Feb 21 11:44:47 oh, no have not dug much around apps recently, been trying to work out why meego handset images are not running properly Feb 21 11:50:42 lcuk: mhm Feb 21 11:55:10 lcuk: and I concluded that Qt Graphics View is crap because of its floating point calculations :( Feb 21 11:55:43 why do floating point calculations make it crap? Feb 21 11:56:07 lcuk: becasue fp calculations have a performance impact on ARM cpus Feb 21 11:56:20 ok, that makes it slow Feb 21 11:56:32 but that is not the same as crap :P Feb 21 11:57:10 lcuk: everyone said I should use QGV because it performs better than QWidgets Feb 21 11:57:26 lcuk: but ever since I switched to using it, I have only seen performance loss :( Feb 21 11:57:27 then "everyone" is not informed Feb 21 11:58:04 Venemo, I hear even the PowerVR can be made to go fast if you poke it right Feb 21 11:58:15 hell, even tortoises run if motivated enough Feb 21 11:59:15 lcuk: if you have any info about poking the PowerVR right, it is more than welcome here Feb 21 12:00:28 Venemo, the powervr was designed for certain types of operations Feb 21 12:00:34 7' Feb 21 12:00:35 and can be seen in a number of places running well Feb 21 12:01:55 lcuk: yes, it runs 3D stuff very well Feb 21 12:03:49 can the PowerVR used as a floating point co-cpu?! Feb 21 12:04:20 ThreeM: I don't think so Feb 21 12:04:55 lcuk: anyway, puzzle-master already makes use of the PowerVR via QGLWidget Feb 21 12:05:14 ThreeM: there is dedicated floating point unit in omap Feb 21 12:05:35 Isnt the issue the lack of hardfp support in maemo? Feb 21 12:05:41 it is Feb 21 12:05:46 jacekowski: which Maemo can't support, yes Feb 21 12:05:53 lcuk: it is barely any faster than software rendering, but it does a good job on offloading the cpu Feb 21 12:09:26 I still think you're doing something wrong. Have you tried setting the caching mode on your widgets. Feb 21 12:09:29 ? Feb 21 12:09:50 alterego: what widgets? Feb 21 12:10:14 Erm, well what are your tiles? Feb 21 12:10:23 alterego: QGraphicsPixmapItems Feb 21 12:10:42 Basically you want to stop them being repainted all the time. Feb 21 12:10:54 Use setCacheMode() on them Feb 21 12:10:58 alterego: I'll try Feb 21 12:11:36 alterego: which mode? QGraphicsItem::ItemCoordinateCache or QGraphicsItem::DeviceCoordinateCache ? Feb 21 12:13:10 alterego: the latter seems to be more beneficial Feb 21 12:13:35 Item Feb 21 12:13:49 though both would have a benificial effect if it works. Feb 21 12:13:55 Yeah Feb 21 12:13:57 ok, I'll try both of them Feb 21 12:17:37 alterego: no noticable improvement Feb 21 12:18:39 Venemo, alterego - perhaps if alter has some ideas he could just peek in the code and see, from what I recall venemo your code is clean and easily digestable Feb 21 12:19:59 thanks lcuk :) Feb 21 12:20:07 Heh Feb 21 12:21:04 alterego: yeah, I'd be more thank happy if you could tell me what I'm doing wrong Feb 21 12:21:09 I'm afk at the moment unfortunately, travelling. Feb 21 12:21:26 And it's kinda hard to hack on the N900 ;) Feb 21 12:21:28 typing "I'm AFK" is a misnomer Feb 21 12:21:33 :D Feb 21 12:21:46 AFL? Feb 21 12:22:10 Or, IAM (I Am Mobile) Feb 21 12:22:19 lcuk: if you are VERY FAST you can be away by the time anyone reads it Feb 21 12:22:27 Heh Feb 21 12:22:40 Well, you're only as active as your last statement. Feb 21 12:22:41 lol Feb 21 12:23:09 As soon as you hit enter your afk :P Feb 21 12:24:00 alterego: if you can look at it, you can find it here: http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/trees/master Feb 21 12:24:29 2G, I'll give it a go :) Feb 21 12:25:02 alterego: the only thing I do with opengl is this single line: http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/mainwindow.cpp#line50 Feb 21 12:25:14 Yeah, Feb 21 12:25:59 So, can you explain what performance issues you're having, does it just seem to work slowely? Feb 21 12:26:03 Is it jurky? Feb 21 12:26:26 "Please state the nature of the medical emergency" Feb 21 12:26:35 I start moving a piece. Feb 21 12:26:38 :) Feb 21 12:26:49 when they were QWidgets, they followed my finger realtime Feb 21 12:27:05 Right Feb 21 12:27:08 (even though lots of their other parts were unoptimized) Feb 21 12:27:10 now they don't Feb 21 12:27:25 they lag behind my finger Feb 21 12:27:42 hrm Feb 21 12:28:05 if I disable the drop shadow effect and remove the QGLWidget and switch to fullscreen, they perform almost as good Feb 21 12:28:35 if I enable the drop shadow effect, it performs better if I have the QGLWidget Feb 21 12:28:36 Venemo, video is worth (1000 * number of frames) words Feb 21 12:28:43 are you not running fullscreen? Feb 21 12:28:55 alterego: there's a full screen button yes Feb 21 12:28:57 GL performance is atrocious when not fullscreen Feb 21 12:29:13 alterego: but even in fullscreen, it doesn't work as well. Feb 21 12:29:22 Indeed. Feb 21 12:29:41 Well, I think the drop shadow effect is implemented in software. Feb 21 12:30:01 alterego: it performs better with GL, so I dunno. Feb 21 12:30:15 lcuk: I know, but I have no other video recording device, just the N900 Feb 21 12:30:45 alterego: also, the performance degrades dramatically if the graphics view is scaled Feb 21 12:30:45 :) Feb 21 12:31:03 Yes, I'd imagine that to be the case. Feb 21 12:31:12 why? Feb 21 12:31:20 alterego: this is the part that I blame on the fp calculations Feb 21 12:31:22 set log on Feb 21 12:31:25 opengl is designed to render scaled triangles isnt it Feb 21 12:31:46 and multiplying by 1.000 is the same as multiplying by 0.999 Feb 21 12:31:51 time wise Feb 21 12:32:39 well, transformed vertices and polygon fragments. Feb 21 12:32:45 But yes, it should be. Feb 21 12:32:46 well, I use a small cheat. when the scale ratio is between 0.98 and 1.02 (this usually happens in fullscreen), I call resetTransform() to give it that small performance gain Feb 21 12:33:58 Hrm, do you scale the source image before you split it into tiles? Feb 21 12:34:04 alterego: I do Feb 21 12:34:30 alterego: I scale it in such a way that the scale ratio of the scene is 1.0 when in fullscreen mode Feb 21 12:35:13 alterego: http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/jigsawpuzzleboard.cpp#line17 Feb 21 12:36:27 So how does it perform with gl enabled but drop shadow disabled? Feb 21 12:36:39 alterego: a bit slower than gl disabled. Feb 21 12:37:28 Interesting, so basically you're saying that you lose performance with gl and more when you use drop shadows? Feb 21 12:38:02 alterego: I lose performance with gl when I don't have drop shadows and I gain some performance with it when there are drop shadows Feb 21 12:38:20 Oh heh Feb 21 12:39:29 Have you enquired on #qt ? Feb 21 12:40:42 I asked them once about this, and they said that this isn't surprising for them, but they couldn't tell me of any way to improve the situation Feb 21 12:41:40 Hrm Feb 21 12:43:39 alterego: I thought I may try to recompile the graphics view framework to use fixed-point calculations Feb 21 12:43:53 I notice you're not enabling double buffering either. Feb 21 12:44:11 alterego: I don't know what double buffering is, nor how to enable it :) Feb 21 12:49:38 Venemo: new QGLWidget(QGLFormat(QGL::DoubleBuffer), this); Feb 21 12:49:51 To create your viewport. Feb 21 12:49:54 ok Feb 21 12:50:07 I'm testing it Feb 21 12:51:03 Probably wont make too much of a performance increase but it's worth it to reduce tearing. Feb 21 12:51:38 yeah, as you say Feb 21 12:51:42 no noticable improvement Feb 21 12:51:46 Where are you handling input? Feb 21 12:52:35 http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/jigsawpuzzleitem.cpp mousePressEvent mouseReleaseEvent mouseMoveEvent Feb 21 12:53:52 that's all the input handling I've got Feb 21 12:54:10 I also intend to implement some code for touchEvent later on. Feb 21 12:56:49 Hrm Feb 21 12:58:40 alterego: Hrm indeed Feb 21 12:59:19 I'll have to check it out when I get home tonight. Feb 21 13:00:27 alterego: okay Feb 21 13:00:42 alterego: the code where the scaling occours may also be of interest to you Feb 21 13:01:24 Yeah Feb 21 13:02:10 What I'll probably end up doing is implementing a test case and play with rendering and input options Feb 21 13:02:20 okay Feb 21 13:02:52 in the meantime, I'm thinking about making fullscreen the default option for the app, that should boost its resposiveness by a lot Feb 21 13:03:13 but that is just avoiding the real problem Feb 21 13:04:19 Well, it is a real problem and games run fullscreen for a reason :P Feb 21 13:04:29 yeah Feb 21 13:05:21 also I am thinking of an alternative solution that doesn't require me to use the built-in scaling mechanism of the graphics view to see if there is any improvement if I'm just not using it Feb 21 13:05:41 abill_uk is...errrmmm... Feb 21 13:05:49 A dick :) Feb 21 13:05:57 what did he do? Feb 21 13:05:57 how impolite! Feb 21 13:05:59 A crazy, crazy idiot :) Feb 21 13:06:10 Venemo: been talking rubbish again Feb 21 13:06:15 heh Feb 21 13:06:38 Nothing special except that it popped up in my thread subscriptions Feb 21 13:07:08 why is it so hard to use a 3rd party library with qtcreator.. Feb 21 13:07:48 pillar: it's not? :) Feb 21 13:08:11 alterego: I don't seem to get it, it's me then I guess :) Feb 21 13:08:45 Have you considered not using Qt Creator? Feb 21 13:09:00 Heh, it's not creator, I think he means madde :) Feb 21 13:09:06 pillar: http://gitorious.org/colorful-apps/puzzle-master/blobs/master/puzzle-master.pro#line62 Feb 21 13:09:26 yeah, probably madde Feb 21 13:16:39 pillar: what lib in particular? Feb 21 13:16:48 alterego: kqoauth Feb 21 13:17:13 pillar: is there a deb for maemo? Feb 21 13:17:49 I sort of got it working by doing everything manually.. copying the header files to the include, building the lib and putting to the sysroot Feb 21 13:17:59 alterego: yeah there is Feb 21 13:18:01 alterego: http://maemo.org/packages/view/kqoauth/ Feb 21 13:19:15 pillar: well, download the deb, the do: mad-admin xdpkg -i kqoauth*_armel.deb Feb 21 13:19:25 then restart qt creator and it should work. Feb 21 13:20:00 why restart? Feb 21 13:20:07 forgot to point out that I'm developing on windows.. Feb 21 13:20:11 Though you may need to add: LIBS += -lkqoauth or something Feb 21 13:20:18 just reparse Feb 21 13:20:50 MohammadAG: hasn't always worked for me, but yeah, there are a couple of other ways of getting it to reindex. Feb 21 13:20:59 heh, windows Feb 21 13:21:02 the example has CONFIG += kqoauth and then #include Feb 21 13:21:17 %PATH% is retarded on windows tbh Feb 21 13:21:36 never worked for me Feb 21 13:21:55 I know.. I should just go and install Visual Studio Express and get ready for Nokia Windows Phones (not) :) Feb 21 13:22:07 hah Feb 21 13:22:23 pillar: yeah, that should work Feb 21 13:22:31 Heh Feb 21 13:23:11 I hate how you can't do everything on windows with cmd Feb 21 13:24:16 good morning MohammadAG :) Feb 21 13:24:23 actually that improved a lot in server2k8 Feb 21 13:24:49 and there's a ton of: run these commands type of howtos appearing for it... Feb 21 13:25:58 ruskie, does it have a wget equivalent? Feb 21 13:26:06 morning Venemo Feb 21 13:26:09 no clue... Feb 21 13:26:19 I try to minimize my exposure to brain borkedness Feb 21 13:26:30 ruskie ++ Feb 21 13:27:02 heh Feb 21 13:28:34 ina_bill Feb 21 13:29:48 inc-abill_uk Feb 21 13:32:23 yesterday I was temped to call him out on his "will never... that's the truth" Feb 21 13:32:43 DocScrutinizer: for you to laugh: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32864 Feb 21 13:51:56 78 Feb 21 13:51:59 gah Feb 21 13:52:35 http://twitpic.com/427ydx/full - lol chromium bug Feb 21 13:53:24 I do not see it! Feb 21 13:59:26 * alterego sighs Feb 21 13:59:36 alterego: ? Feb 21 14:01:50 abill_uk Feb 21 14:01:53 :) Feb 21 14:01:56 xD Feb 21 14:02:07 I'm being mean again, I should stop. Feb 21 14:04:15 xkr47 what don't you see? Feb 21 14:04:17 bug? Feb 21 14:07:02 yeah.. never used chromium.. Feb 21 14:10:40 have to go, will be back later Feb 21 14:10:53 alterego: ping me when you had the time to peek into my code Feb 21 14:12:36 xkr47 you have 3 buttons usually Feb 21 14:12:49 ah hehe Feb 21 14:13:06 and there are 4 when 2 in the middle should be the same one changing itself due the windows size Feb 21 14:13:17 fullscreen - non fullscreen Feb 21 14:14:43 yep Feb 21 14:14:55 Venemo: wont be for about 5 hours I wouldn't think .. Feb 21 14:15:15 alterego: no problem. I'll welcome it even after 5 hours :) Feb 21 14:15:32 good bye guys, I'll get back later Feb 21 14:15:57 See ya later Feb 21 14:19:57 Ooo, it's heating up! Feb 21 14:29:20 Heh, like this tag "lol @ abill_uk" :D Feb 21 14:29:42 I've never tagged a thread, who bothers doing this stuff :D Feb 21 14:30:29 It's the passive-agressive way to be a bitch. Feb 21 14:31:29 Heh Feb 21 14:31:35 I just call him an idiot. Feb 21 14:31:47 No point in hiding from it :) Feb 21 14:32:20 Hasn't changed in 3 years. Feb 21 14:32:20 If I met him in person, face-to-face and he was the size of a house, I'd still call him an idiot to his face ... Feb 21 14:32:35 Yeah, I bet you would. Feb 21 14:33:48 The guy obviously has problems, I kind of feel sorry for him. Which is probably why I always feel bad after I lay in to him. Feb 21 14:33:54 But I just can't help it. Feb 21 14:37:06 Feeling sorry for people you meet on the Net is a bad, BAD idea Feb 21 14:37:56 Actually, scratch "sorry" from that sentence. Feb 21 14:39:57 Heh, fair point. Feb 21 14:40:09 No one cares about me on teh internetz :( Feb 21 14:45:32 alterego: Scratch "on teh internetz" too =) Feb 21 14:47:55 rawr :( Feb 21 15:20:10 I see that you've been bashing abill_uk already, dammit. Feb 21 15:20:29 (I am late ;) ) Feb 21 15:21:36 Heh Feb 21 15:25:22 It's okay joerg is on it. Feb 21 15:26:24 yeah, but I get bored about it Feb 21 15:31:52 ignorance is bliss whereas little knowledge is dangerous, as they say. Feb 21 15:32:50 Heh Feb 21 15:33:52 * javispedro waits for chx to decide between being a drupal irc owner or himself Feb 21 15:34:02 lol Feb 21 15:34:25 eh? Feb 21 15:34:36 he? Feb 21 15:34:40 stop nick change spaming... Feb 21 15:34:51 Hello ! Feb 21 15:35:04 afternoon Feb 21 15:35:08 hi Khertan Feb 21 15:35:32 so what s new ? Feb 21 15:36:11 Not a lot Feb 21 15:36:32 A 2009 thread resurfaced and abill_uk is on it like a crazy person. Feb 21 15:36:40 lol Feb 21 15:37:09 tmo .... hum ... Feb 21 15:37:14 because abill_uk is an electical [sic] engineer, who would have known! Feb 21 15:37:49 Craaaazzzyyy Feb 21 15:38:52 javispedro: electrical ... the guys which put power plug in new building and house ? Feb 21 15:38:54 :) Feb 21 15:39:16 Heh Feb 21 15:39:18 no, electical as in a fictional brand of typewriters. Feb 21 15:39:21 sorry for the nick change, i was testing something. Feb 21 15:40:34 I ve finally found an interesting use case for mBarCode ... Feb 21 15:40:38 alterego: remember that on your previous post you said "Originally posted by alterego"! ;) (this guy is crazy) Feb 21 15:41:01 providing information for blind people on product in market. Feb 21 15:41:17 but ... scanning the barcode could be difficult ... Feb 21 15:41:45 javispedro: he failed at cut&paste obviously :) Feb 21 15:43:09 aaand he gives up. ok, you won =) Feb 21 15:43:17 wooo! Feb 21 15:43:21 I win again :D Feb 21 15:43:30 * javispedro stops eating so many popcorn Feb 21 15:43:34 If only I believed it, he can't help himself. Feb 21 15:43:46 He'll continue to try and get the last word .. Feb 21 15:45:23 heh Feb 21 15:45:33 my lightscribe burner has been producing... funny... results as of lately. Feb 21 15:45:48 misaligned, unwanted contrast changes... Feb 21 15:45:56 The print? Or data? Feb 21 15:46:03 Oh, interesting. Feb 21 15:46:22 Sounds likely an issue with the media, is it quite old media? :) Feb 21 15:46:44 yeah, or touched Feb 21 15:46:48 or things like that Feb 21 15:47:38 might be... Feb 21 15:50:00 * ruskie grabs some popcorn and starts reading... Feb 21 15:52:08 the media I was using comes all from the same batch, so could be. it's mostly new though. Feb 21 15:52:32 data burns seem to be good. Feb 21 15:53:12 I thought the cool thing about the light scribes is they should last quite a long time right? Feb 21 15:53:33 depends on media and storage, they usually last around the same as the data itself Feb 21 15:54:11 but contrast degrades a bit Feb 21 15:54:19 I meant the actual drive. Feb 21 15:54:20 (and it is already low to begin with) Feb 21 15:54:42 well dunno about the drives, so far the ones I have have been with average lifespans. Feb 21 16:13:27 * pupnik ponders what to bid for a n900 from berlin with intl keyboard Feb 21 16:23:16 pupnik: what's international keyboard? Feb 21 16:24:31 qwerty? Feb 21 16:25:07 cos^: the one with 4 arrow keys Feb 21 16:25:15 hard to find in germany Feb 21 16:25:51 i'd call it uk or us keyboard, as it is missing many keys Feb 21 16:25:57 ok Feb 21 16:26:28 i'll never understand the 3-row decision Feb 21 16:26:29 actually mine is one, but i use finnis layout Feb 21 16:27:06 3 rows is better than no keyboard Feb 21 16:27:30 yes, i even managed to use the shell with it Feb 21 16:27:33 joerg_rw karma from activities: Itt-posts 17, Itt-thanks 303 :-D Feb 21 16:29:26 Heh Feb 21 16:29:27 alterego: (He'll continue to try and get the last word ..) rrrrrright ;-P Feb 21 16:29:52 Yeah, just say he did exactly what I said, I'm debating whether I want to reply. Feb 21 16:30:01 I do like riling him up :) Feb 21 16:30:29 * divan finished russian translation of the 'State of Maemo' manifesto. Feb 21 16:30:39 \o/ Feb 21 16:31:33 meh, closed the browser window Feb 21 16:32:15 Hah Feb 21 16:34:16 DocScrutinizer, try /cs topic #maemo newtopic, I started using that instead :p Feb 21 16:34:29 evening javispedro Feb 21 16:34:34 hi MohammadAG Feb 21 16:34:58 MohammadAG: boring. Konversation has such a nice textedit window for it Feb 21 16:35:03 I might be in Spain at summer for some project (related to the N900) Feb 21 16:35:14 DUH Feb 21 16:35:25 DocScrutinizer, xchat too, but you don't have to op to do that Feb 21 16:35:27 I think I just reached a new low on tmo Feb 21 16:35:42 lol what's up? Feb 21 16:35:47 MohammadAG: I know, but what's wrong with op'ing? Feb 21 16:36:08 I'm suprised I don't get banned for some of the insults I throw at unabill-uk Feb 21 16:36:10 op + deop = two extra steps :p Feb 21 16:36:33 alterego, the day you get banned is the day the mods execute the guy Feb 21 16:37:20 :-P Feb 21 16:37:50 4s wasted :p Feb 21 16:38:23 c&p of topic, then edit in a nasty small one-line text input field that can't hold the whole string, THAT are really wasted seconds and extra steps Feb 21 16:39:02 Heh Feb 21 16:39:36 Can't you get xchat to use chanserv? Feb 21 16:39:53 don't think so Feb 21 16:39:55 javispedro, hello. Are you the author of preenv? What is your advice about implementing that LD_PRELOAD stuff for game-specific hacks? Maybe add some env variable(which will be set before game launched) and env.sh will add the value of it to the LD_PRELOAD after the libsdlpre.so? Feb 21 16:39:56 of course, /cs Feb 21 16:40:08 heh, that's not the topic bar Feb 21 16:41:09 divan: I will work a bit on it today and tell you later. Feb 21 16:41:33 Ok. Feb 21 16:41:46 divan: my plan is not to overwrite LD_PRELOAD's contents. Feb 21 16:42:46 javispedro, rpath? Feb 21 16:43:10 You don't need to overwrite, LD_PRELOAD can load multiply libraries, separated by commas. Feb 21 16:43:54 that's what I'm saying. Feb 21 16:45:22 Ok, but what's other way to solve '/media/internal' problem(and maybe others in future), without acquiring root permissions? Feb 21 16:45:55 create an empty dir there? :P Feb 21 16:46:03 alterego, it requires root. Feb 21 16:46:13 divan: do it in your deb Feb 21 16:46:28 installation requires root Feb 21 16:46:32 Do it then ... Feb 21 16:46:36 alterego, the idea of application is to install apps and games directly from .ipk :) Feb 21 16:46:58 divan: I know, and you have to install your application right? Feb 21 16:47:11 So create the dir wwhen you install your app. Feb 21 16:47:54 one time create /media world-writable Feb 21 16:47:54 javispedro, I can create .desktop shortcuts with own launcher (which will duplicate wrapper.sh and env.sh functionality), but I guess this is rude way. Feb 21 16:48:55 divan: there's no "other directories in the future". it's /media/internal and /media/cryptofs. Feb 21 16:49:02 I'm not sure if it's single case only with this game. Other games may require other dirs or will need implementing more sophisticated hacks. I'd like to have universal way to solve such issues. Feb 21 16:49:07 I'd even strongly suggest to do that in a sane way, I.E. mounting it from eMMC Feb 21 16:49:16 The proper way would run it in a pre chroot :P Feb 21 16:49:40 javispedro, so, your suggestion is to create such dirs during .deb install? Feb 21 16:49:47 these dirs* Feb 21 16:49:48 divan: and in case you didn't read me, I'd say I'm going to NOT overwrite LD_PRELOAD Feb 21 16:50:30 javispedro, I read you, but didn't get what you propose instead. Feb 21 16:50:34 if only I could find out how to create and attach to threads a new tag Feb 21 16:50:50 divan: why should I propose something else, I'm accepting your solution! Feb 21 16:51:28 javispedro, wait, you just told that you don't want to deal with LD_PRELOAD solution... Feb 21 16:51:37 * divan confused Feb 21 16:51:43 LD_PRELOAD=$LD_PRELOAD,$FOOBAR Feb 21 16:51:50 with space, not comma Feb 21 16:52:07 DocScrutinizer: that won't work because if -z $LD_PRELOAD, resulting var has syntax error Feb 21 16:52:09 aah right Feb 21 16:52:19 DocScrutinizer: however, I know how to write a bash script =) Feb 21 16:52:35 I just want to make sure we're all on same page Feb 21 16:53:20 good point. Feb 21 16:54:48 Ok got it. I'll wait for any updates on it. Feb 21 16:56:31 heh, got a new one. dis-abilled_uk Feb 21 16:56:39 LOL @ inabill_uk - now he's really up to operating temperature :-P Feb 21 16:57:25 a pity there's that old rule "don't feed the troll" Feb 21 16:57:46 in this case you're free to make an exception Feb 21 16:57:50 even more a pity some will not obey it Feb 21 16:57:52 he's kinda fun to watch Feb 21 16:57:59 :) Feb 21 16:58:11 is that on TMO? Feb 21 16:58:19 I don't think he's a troll, I think I'm the troll.. Feb 21 16:58:26 I bet if nobody answered, inabill goes nuts Feb 21 16:58:28 He has a special hatred for me. Feb 21 16:58:42 so, did he pee in his pants or what? Feb 21 16:59:01 alterego, he's obviously not an engineer Feb 21 16:59:18 s/engineer/troll o_O Feb 21 16:59:26 And I purposefully use it. It's fun how everyone calls him an idiot, but he actually thinks we have some kind of secret group of anti-abill_uk members. Feb 21 16:59:38 we aren't? Feb 21 16:59:50 we obviously are, here's to hoping he doesn't read logs ;) Feb 21 16:59:55 Well, it's hardly a secret! Feb 21 16:59:59 who's the idiot? are we talking about Elop or something? Feb 21 17:00:19 And we don't don't plan and plot against him or anything :D Feb 21 17:03:09 talk for yourself! Feb 21 17:03:11 alterego, he has a special hatred for everyone Feb 21 17:03:44 link to the trollfest? Feb 21 17:03:53 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32864&goto=newpost Feb 21 17:08:40 just wait until he opens the "replace 3430 with intel atom" thread. Feb 21 17:11:02 meh Feb 21 17:11:13 i got an i7 based on armel in my N900 Feb 21 17:11:20 lol Feb 21 17:11:34 alterego, did you figure out who abill_uk is? Feb 21 17:12:29 a guy who thinks "Linux" is a programming language? Feb 21 17:12:45 damn, it's not? Feb 21 17:13:05 oh my God Feb 21 17:13:15 I swore to death it was a programming language Feb 21 17:13:37 sucks to be you, but I heard suicide is painless Feb 21 17:13:39 it is? dammit! Feb 21 17:13:56 * javispedro quickly rewrites resume Feb 21 17:16:10 add Maemo to the list of your programming languages, too Feb 21 17:16:33 yeah but put it with the same kind of dead languages like LISP, Fortran, Cobol, etc. Feb 21 17:17:02 and Minix of course Feb 21 17:17:42 Maybe he is Elop? Feb 21 17:17:48 :) Feb 21 17:17:50 * Sc0rpius grins Feb 21 17:19:02 lol this guy wants to *build* a cpu based on a *die photo* ? Feb 21 17:19:06 Good work Feb 21 17:19:36 "I was a hacker once upon a time" - Elop did some crazy shit in his time :) Feb 21 17:21:31 * alterego sighs Feb 21 17:23:53 haha, you all suck Feb 21 17:24:05 I program in Linux and Windows! Feb 21 17:24:12 nice Feb 21 17:24:16 that's like PhD Feb 21 17:24:49 though I really like .NET and C# Feb 21 17:25:46 do you know how to program in Mac OS X? Feb 21 17:25:55 but .NET is not compatible with my hardware, it's missing the CPU Die Photo driver. Feb 21 17:26:00 no, I'm anti-Apple 100% I don't even touch Apple things Feb 21 17:26:07 Hahah Feb 21 17:26:09 if you hand me your iPod it will fall to the floor, I won't touch it Feb 21 17:26:29 Sc0rpius: COBOL a dead language?? I got a job offer for COBOL just 4 days ago Feb 21 17:26:31 The stuff you're saying is funny, but it still doesn't sound as stupid as him ... Feb 21 17:26:53 well it's dead, so you should take the job and ask for like $500,000 a year since almost nobody these days can remember it Feb 21 17:27:58 Sc0rpius: what about orange things? Feb 21 17:28:18 like what? Feb 21 17:29:12 Sc0rpius: yeah, but alas it was gvmt and they pay TeV11 or sth like that, like 2400EUR/month Feb 21 17:29:28 hmm Feb 21 17:30:03 I wouldn't do it Feb 21 17:30:09 me neither Feb 21 17:30:23 esp since I had to relocate Feb 21 17:31:06 divan: maybe I should create the /media symlinks within the pre package Feb 21 17:31:26 I'm not going to move, for like 30k€ p.a. Feb 21 17:31:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=952013&postcount=111 <-- haha Feb 21 17:31:46 * javispedro realizes my rootfs now resembles that of a Pre more than that of a N900 ;) Feb 21 17:31:59 hmm Feb 21 17:32:08 are these omaps really compatible Feb 21 17:32:12 as in same pinout Feb 21 17:32:12 javispedro: you should mount (or bindmount) /media Feb 21 17:32:36 DocScrutinizer: I prefer not to create additional bind mounts (python-style) if a symlink proves to be enough Feb 21 17:32:42 javispedro, if you sure that only these two directories are used by WebOS games, then yes, it would be best soultion. Feb 21 17:32:58 jacekowski: of course, sorry for noise Feb 21 17:33:17 jacekowski: check my posts Feb 21 17:33:43 jacekowski: you're free to do the fancy that I don't have the hours/days not the mood to do Feb 21 17:34:04 Hahah, classic: "Are you.... The One"" Feb 21 17:34:27 ooops, 3 lines above s/ jacekowski / javispedro / Feb 21 17:35:46 DocScrutinizer: =) Feb 21 17:36:18 DocScrutinizer: it's just because then people complain that installing xxx increases the noise "df" outputs ;) Feb 21 17:36:26 a common python complain =) Feb 21 17:36:46 so besides the abill_uk post Feb 21 17:36:50 anything exciting today? Feb 21 17:37:25 yes, the community finally agrees on something? Feb 21 17:37:25 could it get any more exciting? :-D Feb 21 17:37:26 ! Feb 21 17:37:32 abill_uk sucks! Feb 21 17:37:37 ;) Feb 21 17:37:37 hoorah! Feb 21 17:37:52 hasnt it basically agreed on that for quite a while? Feb 21 17:37:54 now let's build a proper government structure out of this common belief. Feb 21 17:37:58 or am I disagreeing by asking that? Feb 21 17:38:53 you're disagreeing on the agreement that we all agreed that abill_uk sucks, who agrees? Feb 21 17:41:16 I disagree about agreeing Feb 21 17:41:37 so you agree about disagreeing? Feb 21 17:41:42 We should all disagree about agreeing to maintain a sense of democracy Feb 21 17:41:55 It'd be boring if we all agreed, Feb 21 17:42:31 but when you disagree, you agree about not agreeing Feb 21 17:43:04 good Feb 21 17:43:14 So we're agreed then Feb 21 17:46:29 well i ebayed a n900 with US keyboard - hopefully it gets shipped Feb 21 17:47:48 pupnik_: congrats Feb 21 17:48:01 pupnik_: and welcome back to the club :D Feb 21 17:48:06 ty javispedro :) been too long Feb 21 17:48:07 Heh Feb 21 17:48:18 pupnik_: you can get qwerty keymat, and swap. It's easy Feb 21 17:49:52 or just keep the US keyboard Feb 21 17:49:58 * javispedro loves the 4 arrow keys =) Feb 21 17:50:20 I didn't realise they had different keyboards. Feb 21 17:50:23 yes keyboard is 19 euro + 2 euro for the torx Feb 21 17:50:31 Is the UK one different to the Us one? Feb 21 17:50:43 the german one only has 2 arrow keys Feb 21 17:50:47 the finnish keymat sucks Feb 21 17:51:08 (others are mapped to FN keys) Feb 21 17:51:37 finnish is the same Feb 21 17:54:26 lame Feb 21 17:54:43 You'd think they'd at least finish the finnish one. Feb 21 17:54:50 Leaving to keys out, tututut Feb 21 18:01:49 alterego: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4370_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTZ.html Feb 21 18:03:06 and yes, this SUCKS Feb 21 18:03:31 that's why I swapped it by a qwerty aka US keymat Feb 21 18:04:03 http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4575_Original-Nokia-N900-Keypad-QWERTY--english-.html Feb 21 18:05:02 hey Feb 21 18:05:23 mighty interesting how did you find those ? Feb 21 18:05:33 DocScrutinizer: I would buy an N900 keyboard if it matched my custom X kbd mapping Feb 21 18:06:56 Venemo: I suggested somebody starts selling aftermarket all black keypads, where you could mill or scratch or etch out the cars to your liking Feb 21 18:07:06 brb Feb 21 18:08:14 DocScrutinizer, or a digital keypad, where the keys have an LCD behind them Feb 21 18:08:48 abill_uk will make that for you. Feb 21 18:08:52 MohammadAG: that'S a nice idea, but which bus you'd hook that up on N900? Feb 21 18:09:41 btw I'd prefer e-ink over LCD Feb 21 18:10:17 DocScrutinizer, OMAP3 bus, the pinouts are the same Feb 21 18:10:25 Moo javispedro, how is life tonight? Feb 21 18:10:27 I checked them a minute ago Feb 21 18:10:30 change backlight to "frontlight" piped thru the clear key caps Feb 21 18:12:01 moo RST38h. "interesting" but for personal reasons :) Feb 21 18:13:03 javispedro: Interesting times? :) Feb 21 18:13:34 ahead, yep :) Feb 21 18:14:25 #121 LOL Feb 21 18:15:01 already at post 121? Feb 21 18:15:07 what a shit :-P Feb 21 18:15:52 * DocScrutinizer declares http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=32864 troll-thread of the week Feb 21 18:16:44 DUH SHIIITE it got deleted Feb 21 18:17:12 missed it :( Feb 21 18:18:09 Mhm,tmo is definitely hit by cancer Feb 21 18:18:21 mario bro holding his nuts + a xray of a broken penis-bone (whatever that is :-P) Feb 21 18:18:49 RST38h: definitely. Feb 21 18:18:52 penis-bone? Feb 21 18:18:53 ammyt "ahh here you are" Feb 21 18:19:02 * MohammadAG sues his biology teacher Feb 21 18:19:11 The penis bone is found in some animals. Feb 21 18:19:17 Dogs, and pinipeds, for example. Feb 21 18:19:23 not humans though, I know :P Feb 21 18:19:27 Male ones, generally. Feb 21 18:19:42 ^ statement of the year lol Feb 21 18:19:57 Heh Feb 21 18:20:02 yay, tmo leaking ino irc Feb 21 18:20:09 into* Feb 21 18:20:28 DocScrutinizer: some animals have penis bone Feb 21 18:20:44 hmm Feb 21 18:20:48 SpeedEvil already said that Feb 21 18:20:48 the x-ray didn't look like animal Feb 21 18:20:51 :-D Feb 21 18:21:05 DocScrutinizer: how many cocks have you seen to judge that? Feb 21 18:21:14 DocScrutinizer: hm? the thread is still there Feb 21 18:21:48 yeeeha HAIL irc-mod! Feb 21 18:22:52 * Venemo is back Feb 21 18:23:40 31 posts nuked - how sad Feb 21 18:26:21 alterego: did you get home yet? Feb 21 18:26:40 Venemo: Almost ;) Feb 21 18:26:45 alterego: :) Feb 21 18:27:24 You'll probably have to wait another 1.5 hours though Feb 21 18:27:31 Need to sort myself out some dinner and have a shower. Feb 21 18:27:34 no problem for me :) Feb 21 18:28:31 interestingly, there are more people in #maemo than in #fedora Feb 21 18:29:17 Venemo, not really surprised Feb 21 18:29:44 ruskie: however there are significantly more in #fedora-devel than #maemo-devel :P Feb 21 18:36:37 heh, there are more users even in #openmoko-cdevel than in #maemo-cdevel Feb 21 18:36:52 i didnt know maemo-cdevel existed :P Feb 21 18:36:59 :-P Feb 21 18:37:16 join it, you'll see it exists Feb 21 18:37:31 DocScrutinizer: :) Feb 21 18:37:44 what's cdevel? Feb 21 18:37:47 DocScrutinizer: 'cdevel'? Feb 21 18:37:54 Excellent, 5 lines of python code and I have realtime measurement of the building's power consumption. LED + phototransistor pointing at the spinning disc of electricity meter, 10 meters of serial cable :P Feb 21 18:37:59 (also, does anyone know of possible reasons why my PC's lagging?) Feb 21 18:38:06 keypresses aren't instant Feb 21 18:38:24 comunity-devel, as opposed to #openmoko-devel which is closed and for OM affiliates only Feb 21 18:38:49 hmm Feb 21 18:38:57 MohammadAG: uninstall windows from it Feb 21 18:38:59 I wonder how I could run a proxy server on my laptop Feb 21 18:39:04 Venemo, this is ubuntu Feb 21 18:39:39 MohammadAG: that too Feb 21 18:39:42 ShadowJK: nice hack Feb 21 18:40:09 DocScrutinizer, actually I got the hw from someone else, very simple, and came with a windows program.. Feb 21 18:40:26 does anyone know of a proxy server app for linux? Feb 21 18:40:31 need to sniff something from the iPhone Feb 21 18:40:39 it doesn't work under wine, and my Atom330 24/7 box is too slow to run XP and the utilty under qemu, so I figured I'd throw something together with gnuplot Feb 21 18:41:34 ShadowJK: you could use a webcam and OCR ;-) Feb 21 18:42:02 DocScrutinizer, this is simpler :-) Feb 21 18:42:11 * SpeedEvil just used a webcam. Feb 21 18:42:22 (which, btw is how German Telekom did their monthly billing, back in times of mechanical counters for landlines) Feb 21 18:43:14 I'm pretty amazed I realiably get a '\0' each time the red spinning marking makes Txd line drop Feb 21 18:43:37 yeah, me too Feb 21 18:43:59 this little hack needs a darn good optics, and calibration Feb 21 18:44:36 and possibly a blue led, or - even better - laser Feb 21 18:45:08 meh, green of course Feb 21 18:45:12 'I don't know how the even teeth melted off the gear making my electricity consumption measure twice as low'. Feb 21 18:46:24 SpeedEvil: o.O - there's an adjustment jumper sliding on a shunt, which will do just fine Feb 21 18:47:15 yeah it's green Feb 21 18:47:16 no optics Feb 21 18:47:33 there's also a small jumper plate in the clamp box, to switch off the auxilary coil Feb 21 18:47:45 I had to mount it at an angle to avoid reflection from the transparent window Feb 21 18:48:02 aaaah Feb 21 18:48:27 yes, it will reflect on the outer rim of that wheel only Feb 21 18:48:48 as everything else is in plane to the glass Feb 21 18:49:01 that's brilliant Feb 21 18:49:51 The illuminated part is actually bigger than the hole for the disc, so I get a bit of reflection from the surrounding panel... So some fiddling to get the right amount of surround and disc, so that the red lowers reflected light just enough to trigger the transistors inside Feb 21 18:50:22 Well this was uncool - ebay seller gave an unregistered paypal account. Feb 21 18:50:38 * pupnik_ hits 'cancel payment' Feb 21 18:51:05 the disc is the only part in there that can reflect back to origin a lightbeam coming from side Feb 21 18:52:04 diffuse reflections I guess Feb 21 18:52:33 light bouncing from my finger is sufficient :P Feb 21 18:52:47 a focusing lens to spotlight just the disk would help a lot Feb 21 18:53:06 or a separator beam between the led and the phototransistor thingy Feb 21 18:53:12 separator wall Feb 21 18:54:15 green laser ;-) Feb 21 18:54:53 would work from other wall across the room :-) Feb 21 18:55:18 N810's GPS is so terrible :( Feb 21 18:55:20 just need exact aiming to the disk rim Feb 21 18:55:23 Sheep as smart as humans: Official Feb 21 18:55:28 have been out 30 minutes twice, haven't got a fix Feb 21 18:55:42 once took me approx 1 day to get a fix on n810 :) Feb 21 18:55:54 LjL: there's something broken with supl servers of Nokia Feb 21 18:56:27 pupnik_: link? Feb 21 18:56:35 pupnik_: what is an "unregistered paypal account" ? Feb 21 18:56:35 trumee: to what? Feb 21 18:57:02 pupnik_: just wondering how he was trying to dupe you. Feb 21 18:57:18 oh that's an email address without a paypal account Feb 21 18:57:21 DocScrutinizer: supl? Feb 21 18:57:30 pupnik_: ah, ok Feb 21 18:57:33 according to my googling Feb 21 18:58:03 is there any ebay app in maemo. something which could do the auction for you? Feb 21 18:59:00 LjL: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=884296&postcount=10 Feb 21 19:00:06 trumee: i don't know. i told the seller that I would not send money to an unverifiable person. he can now send via C.O.D. or forget about it Feb 21 19:00:24 javispedro:*leonovo* Feb 21 19:00:28 lenovo. Feb 21 19:00:37 anybody understand /etc/event.d, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=951226&postcount=361 Feb 21 19:01:07 perhaps i am modprobing the modules at a wrong time there Feb 21 19:01:23 RST38h: yes. now to look for replacements before the plastic scratches every single table I have. Feb 21 19:02:58 DocScrutinizer: eh i don't think i'm using AGPS in the first place, since i'm not connected on the N810 outside of my house Feb 21 19:03:45 ouch Feb 21 19:03:46 yeah, then it's generally hard to get a fix on N810. That's a known issue, which got fixed with AGPS-beta Feb 21 19:04:28 does anyone know how n900 detects the keyboard open/close? Feb 21 19:04:37 now AGPS stopped working with some of the supl servers, so we're back to pre-AGPS times Feb 21 19:04:53 is there some kind of magnet-switch or what? Feb 21 19:04:58 trumee: do the auction for you... from a phone? are you sure that's a good idea? :p i mean, it could drop your connection at any time Feb 21 19:05:06 Jartza: yes, magnet Feb 21 19:05:13 trumee: why don't you use esniper from a server instead, or www.esnipe.com or something Feb 21 19:05:35 DocScrutinizer: do you happen to know where the magnet is supposed to be located? :) Feb 21 19:06:03 somewhere above O P keys iirc Feb 21 19:06:09 LjL: wouldnt want to share my ebay password with some webpage Feb 21 19:06:11 my other n900 doesn't detect keyboard open/close Feb 21 19:06:28 and the keyboard slider is really tight Feb 21 19:06:29 LjL: perhaps there is some script floating around which i can stick on my server Feb 21 19:06:37 trumee: a reasonable concern Feb 21 19:06:41 trumee: there is esniper Feb 21 19:06:43 DocScrutinizer: ok. thx. Feb 21 19:06:52 trumee: it's available on debian, and has no depends outside of libcurl anyway Feb 21 19:06:53 Jartza: yeah, known issue. magnet gets loose sometimes Feb 21 19:07:05 have to open the device and check where the magnet is now :) Feb 21 19:07:09 LjL: nice. will look into that Feb 21 19:07:10 trumee: it's probably easy to port to Maemo in the first place, i guess Feb 21 19:07:49 Jartza: might as well been above W E keys Feb 21 19:09:26 DocScrutinizer: ok. have to check. Feb 21 19:17:28 ouch Feb 21 19:17:44 yes. the magnet is missing. Feb 21 19:17:59 now I just have to find _where_ it is Feb 21 19:18:23 yo, is it possible to disable the yellow notifications for conversations? Feb 21 19:18:36 MohammadAG: yo man, you there? Feb 21 19:19:22 hey Feb 21 19:19:57 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-england-dorset-12526271 Feb 21 19:20:02 hey man i have 2 suggestions for your hildon cssu mods Feb 21 19:21:00 1. on quick double tap of 'task switcher button' go to last previous task Feb 21 19:21:21 i.e. when cam button double clicked swap to last task Feb 21 19:22:23 2. a setting that allows us to disable thos yellow notifications for new conversation updates Feb 21 19:23:01 i.e. when you receive an im dont show it in yellow bubble, just male the beep sound Feb 21 19:23:09 whaddya think? Feb 21 19:26:22 sorry turns out notifications can be removed ala a gconf setting so scratch 2 Feb 21 19:26:34 suggestion 1 still stands Feb 21 19:27:15 I don't mind, but I'm currently sniffing the N8 so I'll see about it later :p Feb 21 19:27:55 nooo Feb 21 19:28:06 dont turn to the dark side geee Feb 21 19:28:10 we need you Feb 21 19:28:35 powerful the n8 it is Feb 21 19:28:50 but resist the darkside you must! Feb 21 19:29:12 the n8, powerful? ha! Feb 21 19:31:06 Shiny. But feels so closed and limited Feb 21 19:31:27 I'm used to my always on IM, integrated services, rapid task switching, ... Feb 21 19:32:40 actually with jbak taskman installed symbian becomes a whole lot more powerful Feb 21 19:32:51 immediate task switching Feb 21 19:33:02 rules foe individual programs Feb 21 19:33:14 shortcuts n shit Feb 21 19:33:45 infact i would go as far to say jbak taskman 'completes' symbian Feb 21 19:34:25 e72+jbak taskman = mentally awesome phone Feb 21 19:35:22 now, with the irc plugin for conversations is there a way to autoconnect to a particular room? Feb 21 19:37:49 vi__: irc plugin for conversations can't connect to channels Feb 21 19:38:01 ehlo here Feb 21 19:38:33 so I have to manually connect to a chat room every time i go online? Feb 21 19:38:39 hello massoud Feb 21 19:38:48 Yes. Feb 21 19:38:59 lame Feb 21 19:39:12 since i upgrade my n900 kernel to (Linux Nokia-N900-02-8 2.6.28-omap1), i can t get my "iptables -t nat -A POSTROUTING" to work Feb 21 19:39:14 kinda precludes its usefulness Feb 21 19:39:27 And you also have to type "I will not talk banal rubbish." three times every time you connect. Feb 21 19:39:42 AND SIGN IN YOUR OWN BLOOD. Feb 21 19:40:00 vi__: irc plugin for conversations can NOT connect to any channel at all. /join didn't work with it last time I checked Feb 21 19:40:01 vi__: sorry dude, I was kinda out of my mind when I bitched at you last time Feb 21 19:40:44 DocScrutinizer: dont worry lets just be friends! Feb 21 19:40:52 fine :-) Feb 21 19:41:23 iptables v1.4.6: can't initialize iptables table ` Feb 21 19:42:45 massoud: afraid i dont know anything bout iptables but that error possibly implies your 'table' is broken Feb 21 19:42:55 oh wait Feb 21 19:43:07 you changed your kernel? Feb 21 19:43:20 afaik iptables is not supported on stock kernel of N900 Feb 21 19:43:35 back to stock? Feb 21 19:43:48 you need powerkernel Feb 21 19:43:55 you need power kernel to run iptables Feb 21 19:44:01 bah, beaten to it Feb 21 20:01:26 vi__: no way to have iptables to work from my current kernel ? Feb 21 20:02:03 ~seen noobmonk3y Feb 21 20:02:07 noobmonk3y <~noobmonk3@cpc2-lanc4-0-0-cust164.3-3.cable.virginmedia.com> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 2d 4h 58m 23s ago, saying: 'Basically , the phone/messaging part is buggered and has been for weeks, really annoying me :P'. Feb 21 20:02:22 I thought he left Feb 21 20:02:51 MohammadAG: why would he leave? Feb 21 20:03:19 haven't seen him in a while so Feb 21 20:05:06 ~seen vi__ Feb 21 20:05:09 vi__ is currently on #maemo (6m 46s). Has said a total of 1 messages. Is idling for 2s, last said: '~seen vi__'. Feb 21 20:05:19 heh Feb 21 20:05:19 whooa Feb 21 20:05:35 massoud: as far as i know yes Feb 21 20:06:00 massoud: if you want iptables install powerkernel from dev repo Feb 21 20:07:34 massoud: you understand? Feb 21 20:17:07 i think i'll flip a coin to decide whether or not i like the N810. i can't make up my mind :P Feb 21 20:17:26 LjL: I know you like it Feb 21 20:17:53 can anyone help me with the camera on n900 Feb 21 20:17:56 maybe... but come on, GPS's that take hours to lock! :P Feb 21 20:18:02 an0therb0x: what help do you need? Feb 21 20:18:16 LjL: it was high tech in 2007 :) Feb 21 20:18:43 also, GPS's that don't actually have working navigation software for them :( Feb 21 20:19:13 Venemo: my camera no longer works just says "operation failed" Feb 21 20:19:17 but then again, *if* i manage to inject my own NMEA sentences into it, and drive it using wifi geolocation, i'll be a happy man! :P Feb 21 20:19:25 an0therb0x: what did you do to it? Feb 21 20:19:37 Mine did that too. Feb 21 20:19:38 LjL: sounds nice Feb 21 20:19:40 Reflash fixed it Feb 21 20:19:47 No, this is not a good way to debug Feb 21 20:19:53 an0therb0x: Feb 21 20:20:02 I re-flashed with 1.3 Feb 21 20:20:07 an0therb0x: don't overclock; uninstall unstable horseshit and if it's still not okay, reflash. Feb 21 20:20:21 an0therb0x: reflash both rootfs and eMMCC Feb 21 20:20:37 Venemo: it almost works, at least if i use minigpsd. but it seems programs need more sentences than i'm giving them, to actually be convinced there is a fix (so now i'm feeding them "replay" data from the real GPS to fool them :P) Feb 21 20:20:51 Venemo: i am not evening using any extra-dev repos , just standard included repos Feb 21 20:21:01 an0therb0x: mhm Feb 21 20:21:16 an0therb0x: well then take your N900 to warranty repair Feb 21 20:23:14 venemo: my warranty has expired but I will try and reflash both rootfs and eMMCC again . i thing the mobile hotspot with the enhanced kernel may be the issue Feb 21 20:23:17 LjL: if you can figure a way to 'manually assist' a GPS lock on N810 you will be AN HERO Feb 21 20:23:47 an0therb0x: how the could it expire? now N900s are 2 years old yet Feb 21 20:24:23 Venemo: Not inthe EU Feb 21 20:25:09 not MINE Feb 21 20:25:13 my N900 is just 1 year old Feb 21 20:25:14 :P Feb 21 20:25:17 pupnik_: uhm, that's not really what i'm trying to do though, i'm only trying to provide an approximate location to replace the GPS. isn't that what A-GPS Beta does, anyway? Feb 21 20:25:50 hey I still see N900s in the stores in the street. I was in a mall last saturday (2 days ago) and I saw an N900 retail box in a store Feb 21 20:25:57 Amazon still sells them as well Feb 21 20:26:52 I meant, "no N900s are 2 years old yet" Feb 21 20:28:32 Venemo: i got mine December 2009 unfortunately 1 year warranty is up , by the way any voice gps available for it Feb 21 20:30:49 halp Feb 21 20:30:56 how do i get /etc/apt/trusted.gpg? :) Feb 21 20:31:17 sp3000: ideas? :) Feb 21 20:31:23 i got keys to mxr :) Feb 21 20:32:01 LjL: yes i just didn't know there was a way to 'hint' the gps manually - kudos if you can get that working Feb 21 20:32:02 * timeless gives up and cheats Feb 21 20:39:42 ok, so... hrm Feb 21 20:39:53 should i give up and just let debian manage packages? Feb 21 20:39:57 * timeless really doesn't like that idea Feb 21 20:56:13 quick, any reasons to stay with PR1.2? Feb 21 20:56:53 no Feb 21 20:57:04 install 1.3 then 1.3.3.7 :P Feb 21 20:58:02 bleh. i had valid NMEA data from GPS, then i accidentally removed them by running gpsd on them with the wrong parameters... :( and now i can't get a fix Feb 21 20:58:12 perhaps i'm expecting a bit too much from my window Feb 21 20:58:27 but i really don't feel like going outside just to get stupid NMEA sentences from the sky :P Feb 21 20:58:50 nm, apparently impossible as I don't use Windows Feb 21 21:09:34 alterego: what's up? :) Feb 21 21:24:53 ok, seriously Feb 21 21:25:31 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67378 ok, a problem, no need "ME TOO :(((((((((((((((((((((((" x238957 Feb 21 21:25:59 hmm, wonder why http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=51890 is tagged with "bada rulez" "bada rox" Feb 21 21:27:24 frals, obviously it was a typo, s/bada/frals/ Feb 21 21:27:56 must have been ;-) Feb 21 21:28:10 hows the temp in /fi tonight? Feb 21 21:28:15 . Feb 21 21:29:04 -15ish i think Feb 21 21:29:12 just heading to bed now :) Feb 21 21:29:17 nn o/ Feb 21 21:29:23 \o Feb 21 21:29:47 ugh Feb 21 21:29:55 it was -23 yesterday morning here Feb 21 21:30:26 /europe/sweden/stockholm Feb 21 21:34:52 * timeless sighs Feb 21 21:34:54 * timeless hates apache conf Feb 21 21:34:58 anyone want to help me? Feb 21 21:36:29 serious discussion on tmo Feb 21 21:36:50 'bout swapping the n900 processor Feb 21 21:36:56 any git experts around? Feb 21 21:37:01 vi__, that's far from serious lol Feb 21 21:37:29 hmmmm Feb 21 21:37:44 interesting PS3 directory you have, MohammadAG Feb 21 21:38:12 let the flames start, got my asbestos underwear on Feb 21 21:38:24 :p Feb 21 21:38:49 docscrutinizer what is your tmo name Feb 21 21:38:55 nah, don't really care Feb 21 21:38:55 ? Feb 21 21:39:12 vi__: not as serious as abil_uk's conniption :) Feb 21 21:39:14 the one where there's my irc name written in signature Feb 21 21:39:32 ...cunning Feb 21 21:39:36 lol Feb 21 21:40:56 * timeless defeats apache (mostly) Feb 21 21:41:02 alterego: ping Feb 21 21:55:39 salut Feb 21 21:56:10 o/ Feb 21 21:56:52 Venemo: don't think I'm going to have a chance today, I promise I'll look at it first thing tomorrow. Sorry :( Feb 21 21:56:53 hi 12648430 Feb 21 21:57:23 took you a while to look this up :) Feb 21 21:57:40 lol Feb 21 21:57:40 nah, I actually got a shortcut Feb 21 21:57:44 time for 12648430 ☕ Feb 21 21:59:22 btw the UTF8 char is called "hot beverage" ;-D Feb 21 22:00:22 or more commonly known as "little square in my irc window" Feb 21 22:00:30 lol Feb 21 22:00:41 get decent irc client :-P Feb 21 22:01:15 hi there Feb 21 22:01:25 evening avenon Feb 21 22:01:27 such as irssi Feb 21 22:01:36 I am using x-chat Feb 21 22:01:49 for your convenience: http://www.fileformat.info/info/unicode/char/2615/index.htm Feb 21 22:04:29 thanks doc :D if I was not syncing my machine I would show you the sketch I just drew for that character :P Feb 21 22:11:36 hi Feb 21 22:16:08 yw lcuk Feb 21 22:16:30 * DocScrutinizer sighs violently on this friggin thread and the morons trolling in there Feb 21 22:16:46 Heh Feb 21 22:23:13 okay alterego, no problem at all Feb 21 22:23:15 DocScrutinizer: Which thread now? Feb 21 22:23:33 still this insane 3630 thread Feb 21 22:23:43 * Jaffa has been too busy to read anything but already subscribed threads :-) Feb 21 22:24:03 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=952211#post952211 Feb 21 22:24:03 DocScrutinizer: your hot beverage appears in Konversation Feb 21 22:24:20 hi folks Feb 21 22:24:22 I know, as it's sent from Konversation :-) Feb 21 22:24:25 DocScrutinizer: I'd already refuse to read it based on the subject alone Feb 21 22:24:40 does someone build apps on N900 Feb 21 22:24:52 <-- sometimes Feb 21 22:24:53 KevinB: I'm sure someone does yes. Feb 21 22:24:59 MohammadAG: heh Feb 21 22:25:13 crazy men haha Feb 21 22:25:14 it's quite slow, as expected Feb 21 22:25:14 DocScrutinizer: you use Konversation? :) Feb 21 22:25:25 DocScrutinizer: I now have even more respect for you :P Feb 21 22:25:31 KevinB, Do you mean actually do the compilation on the N900 itself? Feb 21 22:25:38 i use konversation :P Feb 21 22:25:38 I was wondering if someone got a deb for QtCreator on n90n Feb 21 22:25:48 Yes Ken, in case you wanna warm your hands Feb 21 22:25:53 1.0 ;( Feb 21 22:25:54 I just use a chroot Feb 21 22:26:19 KevinB, Oh, sorry, I can't help. I build on scratchbox. Feb 21 22:27:05 MohamadAG : so you just chroot in a directory and set your build environment in there right? Feb 21 22:28:13 Wow, someone's hulking. Feb 21 22:28:42 DocScrutinizer: just stop looking! Feb 21 22:28:56 I have a chroot image with what's in scratchbox in it Feb 21 22:29:12 I even ran hildon-desktop in hildon-desktop once Feb 21 22:29:30 (in a Xephyr window) Feb 21 22:29:35 Groovy Feb 21 22:29:53 got messed up on CTRL+backspace (both h-d's went to task manager) Feb 21 22:30:13 DocScrutinizer: I hate you. I could've gone to sleep rather than reading this thread! Feb 21 22:30:32 lol Feb 21 22:30:53 Jaffa: stop now. Feb 21 22:31:00 I think we should get it closed. Feb 21 22:31:08 lol Feb 21 22:32:13 hm... any recommendations for a n900 car holder? Feb 21 22:32:53 maybeWTF: wife 1.0 Feb 21 22:33:09 LOL Feb 21 22:33:56 so can i buy yours? Feb 21 22:34:26 I have, ex-bitch-gf 1.2 Feb 21 22:34:36 Sorry beta 0.3 Feb 21 22:35:24 She's useless and has a tendency to hold other peoples' Feb 21 22:35:32 I have ex-superbitchywife-1.0 Feb 21 22:36:04 Jaffa: ping Feb 21 22:36:15 Jaffa: can you look through mxr.meego.com for me? Feb 21 22:36:27 the content is still being collected, but the theme could be fixed by someone now.. Feb 21 22:36:32 Jartza: gutted, what are her features? Feb 21 22:36:35 it's not microsoft.com anymore! Feb 21 22:36:43 MohammadAG: nope Feb 21 22:36:59 Heh Feb 21 22:37:05 it doesn't have an index yet, it's slowly collecting all of the files it needs to do that Feb 21 22:37:14 timeless: Will have a look. *must* sleep now Feb 21 22:37:16 France tomorrow Feb 21 22:37:18 alterego: still bitching to me about everything, even 3 years after the divorce at least. Feb 21 22:37:21 Jaffa: sure Feb 21 22:37:23 france? wow Feb 21 22:37:28 Well, for the day. Feb 21 22:37:33 Jartza: eesh :( Feb 21 22:37:41 Handy when your in-laws live opposite the Channel Tunnel. Feb 21 22:38:43 http://mxr.meego.com/meego.gitorious.org/source/qemu/README?force=1 Feb 21 22:38:48 alterego: (get it closed) already suggested it to supermod Feb 21 22:38:49 someone please remind me to slap someone Feb 21 22:38:54 (that file *sucks* Feb 21 22:38:54 alterego: betraying all her friends.... hmm... oh yeah, also forking new bitches with some finnish champion water polo player, that she snatched while we were still married. Feb 21 22:38:56 ) Feb 21 22:39:41 I'm pretty sure I forgot some features. Quite frankly, the more I forget, the happier I am :) Feb 21 22:40:00 Jartza: is the 'new version' better? ;) Feb 21 22:40:39 timeless: \o/ Feb 21 22:42:28 Jartza: the complaining to the ex doesn't sound so uncommon Feb 21 22:42:42 damn, upgrade early, upgrade often Feb 21 22:43:34 or don't get a contract at all for your N900-holder Feb 21 22:43:59 ooh, the rpm' Feb 21 22:44:02 s arrived Feb 21 22:44:07 PAYG FTW ;-P Feb 21 22:44:10 now if only i had access to my rpmbuild conf Feb 21 22:44:30 Venemo: sure, although the new version is just girlfriend-3.0 :) Feb 21 22:44:39 I haven't upgraded her to wife-2.0 yet Feb 21 22:45:04 Maybe I should make some development plans Feb 21 22:45:06 PAYG, don't you listen :-D Feb 21 22:45:18 for example first to wife-rc-1.9 etc... Feb 21 22:45:49 those contracts rarely pan out in the end Feb 21 22:45:53 Jartza: :) Feb 21 22:49:01 oh well Feb 21 22:49:08 I'm quite happy with the current one Feb 21 22:49:19 no real reason to start upgrading :) Feb 21 22:49:28 :) Feb 21 22:49:52 wait til the ToS change inadvertently Feb 21 22:53:53 anyway, I'm going to sleep now - byebye :) Feb 21 22:57:23 night Venemo Feb 21 22:57:36 aww Feb 21 22:57:46 shall I ping you to wakeup? Feb 21 22:57:51 how can I have fun if you all agree on the abill_uk thread Feb 21 22:58:08 stupid people Feb 21 22:58:26 I knew you'll hate it :-P Feb 21 22:58:34 so, should I spoil the fun? Feb 21 22:58:54 :evil: Feb 21 22:59:00 well, whatever you like Feb 21 22:59:28 we got 31 posts deleted by the forces-that-be Feb 21 22:59:31 oh. Feb 21 22:59:45 then I guess my "not it's not the same family" answer would also get deleted :( Feb 21 23:00:48 you can help to get it deleted by adding x-ray photos of broken human penis-bone X-P Feb 21 23:04:41 or maybe it was a document about weird fetish practices Feb 21 23:05:01 don't ask me, I'm no medical doctor :-D Feb 21 23:05:26 nah, I will just post something that sounds remotely reasonable and partially documents some anecdote I experienced but with no basis on reality =) Feb 21 23:05:46 that's just fine I guess Feb 21 23:18:48 oh, btw Feb 21 23:18:58 is there "official" qt-port for diablo? Feb 21 23:19:15 yeah, 4.6 only Feb 21 23:19:21 that's more than enough Feb 21 23:19:27 wait Feb 21 23:19:37 I found my old faithful n800 :) Feb 21 23:19:46 I don't remember if they ever released the 4.6 branch but it was there Feb 21 23:20:13 well, any 4.x will fullfill my needs :) Feb 21 23:20:22 4.5 was released with some bugs, like input method handling of dead keys Feb 21 23:22:11 doesn't matter Feb 21 23:22:15 I only need touchscreen Feb 21 23:22:28 ah yes, n800 =) Feb 21 23:23:29 I also could code with gtk+ but I rather not :) Feb 22 00:00:15 Hello Feb 22 00:00:27 any of you guys know where is settings recorded related with video playing ? Feb 22 00:01:55 no one? Feb 22 00:02:33 it is kinda urgent, if I can't find it will reflash my n900 Feb 22 00:02:38 gconf, probably, what settings are you talking about? Feb 22 00:03:04 well.. I was unable to play videos. ( http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=70066 ) Feb 22 00:03:13 is there a qmake macro for maemo6/meego platform? compile time macro which is provided by Qt qmake tool or even something I can hack in code? Feb 22 00:03:41 made a reflash, everything was ok. then reinstalled my backup for my settings and can't play videos again now. Feb 22 00:04:38 So, I think there's something wrong with my backup, hopefully will find what it is Feb 22 00:05:07 where is gconf, please? Feb 22 00:05:59 ok found it Feb 22 00:08:58 http://pastebin.com/WT5knvsL ; is there anything wrong here? it is my mediaplayer's gconf Feb 22 00:10:58 SiN900: when you "restored" from backup, did you restore the entire list of installed applications? Feb 22 00:12:01 just disable that part and do it manually, one by one. then you can check what is breaking your "mediaplayer". Feb 22 00:12:09 I installed my applications one by one, from fapman Feb 22 00:12:35 and when did it break? Feb 22 00:12:54 after finishing my install job, checked it again, it was fine, after restore of my backup it is gone Feb 22 00:13:18 did you restore any application with your backup? Feb 22 00:13:23 ope Feb 22 00:13:24 nope Feb 22 00:13:41 sure sure, did you uncheck the "applications list" item? Feb 22 00:13:43 there's nothing related with video playing in N900 Feb 22 00:14:01 hm, I think I didn't while restoring? Feb 22 00:14:18 well, if you didn't while backing it up, it's ok. Feb 22 00:16:56 one more strange thing, after reboot I can play it for 7-8 seconds, then it goes back to menu. If I try to play it again it won't, will stay at "dots" screen Feb 22 00:19:41 any idea? Feb 22 00:21:26 will reflash, I guess.. Feb 22 00:22:01 and do not restore "settings" Feb 22 00:22:12 (nor applications, obviously) Feb 22 00:22:23 yeah. Feb 22 00:22:30 will try combined one first Feb 22 00:22:34 if not, .. Feb 22 00:22:46 "combined"? Feb 22 00:22:50 Fiasco Feb 22 00:22:56 what did you do previously? Feb 22 00:23:13 I thought you had reflashed then restored from osso-backup? Feb 22 00:23:15 clean flash : Vanilla + Combined Feb 22 00:23:32 ah, you did both first. Feb 22 00:24:05 yep, after that installed all my apps and checked again, it was fine, restored my backup and it is dead. Feb 22 00:25:02 it is actually fine atm, but can't play videos. I don't watch videos on N900, but I don't like the idea of not being able to play them Feb 22 00:25:29 yeah, I know. Kinda sick behaivour. Feb 22 00:25:45 http://www.cablemap.info/ Feb 22 00:25:52 (slightly ot :) Feb 22 00:26:01 BCMM, ping Feb 22 00:33:38 flashed with combined, waiting.. Feb 22 00:34:40 Lo, anyone know where I can find the latest info on running KDE/Plasma on the N900? Feb 22 00:35:45 cool. lost all my apps, plus I feel like it is buggy now Feb 22 00:36:57 will make a clean reflash. again. Feb 22 00:37:32 thanks anyway javispedro =) Feb 22 00:37:54 first question: is this the appropriate channel to pose questions regarding such things as installed packages on an N900 - specifically I've installed bash3 and I'm looking to find out how to change my terminal color from a white background to black. Easy enough from gnome, but I'm not seeing anything obvious for the bash3 terminal Feb 22 00:38:14 well, not flashing emmc when you've installed apps is usually not something to do, long-term wise. Feb 22 00:41:07 hmmh Feb 22 00:42:30 javispedro: ?? Feb 22 00:42:47 DocScrutinizer: because /opt might be filled with garbage Feb 22 00:42:55 or /home Feb 22 00:43:13 doesn't matter. either garbage gets rewritten, or it just takes up space Feb 22 00:43:24 more probably the latter Feb 22 00:43:24 home is another thing Feb 22 00:43:45 obviously you're resetting all the ~/.configs Feb 22 00:43:55 when flashing eMMC Feb 22 00:53:00 anyone awake? i set up scratchbox and i have qt-creator - how do i set qt-creator to run programs in scratchbox or qemu? Feb 22 00:53:18 are there any apps that permit consolidation of like applications into a single container? Feb 22 00:58:31 to do what? Feb 22 01:00:15 zanberdo: you for example can throw several uSD cards into one tin box, each of those uSD cards with one app stored to it ;-D Feb 22 01:00:46 zanberdo: honestly, I fail to understand your question Feb 22 01:01:45 heheh Feb 22 01:01:55 good point, Doc, I shall attempt to be more specific. Feb 22 01:03:27 My question pertains specifically to the desktop environment of the N900. As this is #maemo, I fear this is likely not the correct channel to ask, but my question relates to whether or not there is an app for the N900 which allows for the consolidation of shortcuts (not apps of course) into a common container... so for instance, all games accessible from a shortcut of it's own. Again, forgive me if this is not the correct channel. I'm new Feb 22 01:03:27 to my N900 Feb 22 01:04:13 * jonwil is in the process of reverse engineering the dialer app to identify everything it does that isn't UI related (i.e. anything one would need to know to build a feature-complete dialer replacement) Feb 22 01:04:25 Currently doing librtcom-call-ui.so Feb 22 01:04:29 which isnt as hard as it looks Feb 22 01:05:06 zanberdo: you mean "folders" or "categories" in the launcher? Feb 22 01:05:33 * SpeedEvil hugs Jonwil. Feb 22 01:05:36 ah, good question, and one I'm afraid I won't be able to answer intelligently until I learn the correct terminology. Feb 22 01:05:53 folder I would guess Feb 22 01:06:14 the launcher is the application grid that appears when you tap on the left-top corner Feb 22 01:06:23 yup, got that Feb 22 01:06:54 you might want to search for "catorise" Feb 22 01:06:58 I'm looking at the deaktop menu which has such things as 'add shortcut, add bookmark, change background, etc". But no folder Feb 22 01:07:04 ah Feb 22 01:07:07 yeah, I found catorise Feb 22 01:07:09 and love it Feb 22 01:07:15 no, that's not the launcher -- that's the "desktop" =) Feb 22 01:07:18 but now I'm looking for something like that for the desktop shortcuts Feb 22 01:07:27 then you're looking for a widget. Feb 22 01:07:35 and no idea if such widget exists at this point. Feb 22 01:07:41 ok, fair play. Feb 22 01:08:13 I guess one could easily make one such widget though :P Feb 22 01:08:16 so if I want to consolidate all like-apps, such as all games, I could put them all on one desktop, but that's about the extent to which I can organize. Feb 22 01:08:25 I would be willing to look into that Feb 22 01:08:37 zanberdo: request help or just post the idea on talk.maemo.org Feb 22 01:08:38 hmmh Feb 22 01:08:38 need to learn about writing widgets... Feb 22 01:08:57 I didn't remember what hassle the scratchbox was to setup Feb 22 01:09:07 I was trying to get support for both diablo and fremantle Feb 22 01:09:41 well, I hadn't considered writing any apps for maemo, but I could certainly start looking into it. Feb 22 01:10:01 zanberdo: you can't have something like a window with shortcuts popping up on click of a single icon on desktop (at least I dunno of such app) - what you can do is use apmefo to get subdirectories in application starter screen Feb 22 01:10:30 let me check out apmefo Feb 22 01:10:34 see if that's what I'm thinking Feb 22 01:10:42 apmefo is like catorize, but better Feb 22 01:11:12 better as it alows you to sort the apps like *you* want Feb 22 01:11:27 ok, let me see... :) Feb 22 01:12:18 it's not really comfortable to configure, but result is awesome Feb 22 01:13:08 is config available via cli or through the gui? I've installed openssh-client and -server and have remote access (though it's troubling to me to have ssh open to root, but I presume I can change that) Feb 22 01:13:16 gui Feb 22 01:13:34 ok Feb 22 01:16:41 zanberdo: btw I got 4 subfolders in my appstarter screen: games, system, phonecore, utils Feb 22 01:17:24 ok Feb 22 01:17:50 zanberdo: you must not use the hildon method to move around icons on screen to sort them. Do this in apmefo gui Feb 22 01:17:51 now it seems that I have my toolchain set up correctly Feb 22 01:17:59 and qt application works on n800 :) Feb 22 01:18:21 now I'm ready to start creating my xbmc remote :) Feb 22 01:18:36 if you do it nevertheless, the submenues are gone - then just start apmefo and "save" again Feb 22 01:19:05 ok. is apmefo in the base repo's or must I add some other repos? I'm not seeing it in apt-cache nor in the gui app installer... Feb 22 01:19:36 afaik it should be base Feb 22 01:19:46 but not sure about it Feb 22 01:20:17 hmmm. ok. time to google! :) Feb 22 01:20:53 http://maemo.org/packages/view/apmefo/ Feb 22 01:21:17 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=56844 Feb 22 01:22:01 it's in extras according to http://www.my-maemo.com/software/applications.php?name=ApMeFo&faq=42&fldAuto=1525 Feb 22 01:22:17 anyway, reading the links you provided, thanks! Feb 22 01:28:13 ah, good to see I can add repos via /etc/apt/sources.list.d/hildon-application-manager.list Feb 22 01:48:56 zanberdo: I prefer to do this in HAM catalog menu Feb 22 01:50:27 HAM? Feb 22 01:50:32 so much to learn. :) Feb 22 01:50:34 zanberdo: something is problematic when adding directly, can't exactly recal what. Maybe HAM has some additional config for this, which is missing when you edit the file. OR maybe that's all nonsense and what I recall is related to another file Feb 22 01:50:46 Hildon App Manager Feb 22 01:51:02 oic. ok, I'll refrain from adding repos directly Feb 22 01:51:11 the program manager on desktop Feb 22 01:51:13 curse of the sysadmin... love cli Feb 22 01:51:52 I installed apmefo and played with it a bit. it's nice, it's just too back I can't create a shortcut to the folder I created which contained the apps I assigned to it. Feb 22 01:52:34 s/back/bad/ Feb 22 01:52:35 zanberdo meant: I installed apmefo and played with it a bit. it's nice, it's just too bad I can't create a shortcut to the folder I created which contained the apps I assigned to it. Feb 22 01:52:48 yeah, hildon/maemo is often following a very own path Feb 22 01:52:56 oh, nice infobot. :) Feb 22 01:53:26 ~botsnack Feb 22 01:53:26 DocScrutinizer: :) Feb 22 01:54:13 well, that's why I finally bought it (the n900)! I've been avoiding 'smart phones' for the last several year ... I do love the n900 and look forward to digging in even deeper Feb 22 01:54:32 perhaps I will look into writing a widget to consolidate shortcuts Feb 22 01:55:05 nice idea, should be simple Feb 22 01:55:40 heheh... I read that and I hear in my head "the best laid plans of mice and men..." heheh... but yeah, I should look into it Feb 22 01:56:53 hmmh Feb 22 01:57:11 I got qt applications running on diablo scratchbox, but they don't look correctly hildonized... Feb 22 01:58:12 hehe... still want to know how to set the background color for my bash3 terminal... Feb 22 01:58:58 I'd try a shortcut to the app-launcher, probably via dbus Feb 22 01:59:32 err, background color? in settings menu, no? Feb 22 01:59:47 no Feb 22 01:59:53 ok I lost a window in this stupid x-chat Feb 22 02:00:11 I installed the bash3 app, but the app menu lacks any way to change the background color... unless... Feb 22 02:00:14 menu - fonts - there_on_bottom-left Feb 22 02:00:25 yeah, that just occured to me! heheh Feb 22 02:00:34 s/occured/occurred Feb 22 02:00:37 s/occured/occurred/ Feb 22 02:00:38 zanberdo meant: s/occurred/occurred Feb 22 02:02:14 heh, you were fast to find out about that prank Feb 22 02:03:17 hmm? what prank? Feb 22 02:11:25 the s/ prank Feb 22 02:11:52 is that a prank? it's just habit for me... hehe Feb 22 02:12:22 the double s/ where second one doesn't what you thought Feb 22 02:12:39 heh... ic Feb 22 02:12:45 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control might be interesting for you Feb 22 02:13:30 maybe this too http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Feb 22 02:14:29 thanks for the links, doc. I have a lot of reading to do (yet again!) Feb 22 02:14:41 though the latter is about PR1.2, not the current 1.3 Feb 22 02:14:41 but it's fun to have a phone that works the way i work. Feb 22 02:15:12 the prank, lol. Feb 22 02:15:26 afaik the extremely cute ctrl-bs tab-emu still works on 1.3 Feb 22 02:16:13 oh? Feb 22 02:16:31 (see the video linked in that tools page) Feb 22 02:17:20 couldn't live without anymore ;-D Feb 22 02:17:29 well, time to have me some dinner. thanks again for all the help/suggestions/etc. Feb 22 02:17:36 yw Feb 22 02:19:13 zanberdo: you'll also want the fix for enter key, in xterm Feb 22 02:19:15 and that last link looks quite interesting Feb 22 02:19:29 fix it? seems to work... am I missing something? Feb 22 02:19:39 baring in mind I'm using bash3 atm Feb 22 02:19:45 yeah, not for me, I created that page for my convenience :-) Feb 22 02:20:06 enter fails e.g in less / Feb 22 02:20:19 DocScrutinizer: whats that fix - I have no return key in a remote screen Feb 22 02:20:28 ah Feb 22 02:20:34 I use Ctrl-j Feb 22 02:21:22 jpinx: see link above Feb 22 02:21:56 one last question: I removed apmefo and catorise but it seems I can't re-install catorize (though catorise-gui is available)... is that because I 'activated' apmefo and didn't deactivate it before I removed it, or am I just missing something? Feb 22 02:22:14 hmmh Feb 22 02:22:21 might be the problem, yes Feb 22 02:22:29 actually, I have to admit, I didn't remember how nice device n800 actually was Feb 22 02:22:48 it would have had a lot more potential, as a device Feb 22 02:22:49 I kicked catorize after 15min, so can't tell Feb 22 02:23:11 well, I thought I'd go back to catorize for the time being Feb 22 02:23:17 Jartza: the camera is awesome Feb 22 02:23:27 as I don't want to spend too much time creating my own organization atm. Feb 22 02:23:31 ah well, no worries. Feb 22 02:23:42 I think that 'activate' merely modified a file.. just have to see what file.. Feb 22 02:23:52 the fixed orga of catorize is mindboggling Feb 22 02:24:17 I got 3 different dirs with calculators Feb 22 02:24:54 and the dirs themselves are obscure to me Feb 22 02:25:33 so I ended searchng all in all, and thought "meh, this I can have without catorize, with one click less" Feb 22 02:25:35 hmm... Feb 22 02:26:26 ah, well, the wife is getting cranky! Need to have some dinner and spend some quality time with her! heheh... this is why I avoided buying a bloody 'smart phone' - they are freaking time sinks Feb 22 02:26:52 cya l8r then :-D Feb 22 02:27:02 you will indeed! cheers! Feb 22 02:42:26 Hi, where can I make a petition for CSSU ? Feb 22 02:42:45 good question Feb 22 02:42:54 what do you have in mind? Feb 22 02:43:32 Sc0rpius, modest working in slow connections is a pain in the... throat Feb 22 02:43:47 sure it is Feb 22 02:43:54 it updates the inbox and then shows the list of the emails Feb 22 02:44:19 it should show all your already downloaded emails and do that process in background Feb 22 02:44:29 acutally it does that Feb 22 02:44:36 try to load Modest without network connection and you'll see Feb 22 02:44:53 Sc0rpius, that's without internet connection Feb 22 02:45:03 but I guess if there's a connection available it'll try to update first Feb 22 02:45:09 with a slow EDGE connection, it doesn Feb 22 02:45:16 *doesn't Feb 22 02:45:24 indeed Feb 22 02:46:10 Sc0rpius, I could help with the code, but I guess it's plain simple Feb 22 02:46:23 just move some lines from here to there Feb 22 02:46:24 :P Feb 22 02:46:27 but it's weird, I'd have to test it forcing the N900 to EDGE but I'm almost sure it shows the already downloaded headers and then it updates Feb 22 02:46:48 well the code is there, if you come up with a patch, you can request a merge Feb 22 02:46:50 Sc0rpius, I'm definetly sure it doesn't :) Feb 22 02:47:14 ok lemme see Feb 22 02:48:40 you're right Feb 22 02:48:49 Sc0rpius, :) Feb 22 02:48:51 but I wonder if it's a Modest problem... or a tinymail problem Feb 22 02:50:04 what does tinymail do? Feb 22 02:51:20 Modest is just the GUI Feb 22 02:51:35 TinyMail is the framework Modest uses that actually does everything mail-related Feb 22 02:51:50 Sc0rpius, ok, nice Feb 22 02:52:01 anyway tinymail is included in CSSU and the source is there Feb 22 02:52:09 http://gitorious.org/community-ssu Feb 22 02:52:15 Sc0rpius, I guess I should really come into maemo developing when I have the chance Feb 22 02:52:31 you should, it's fun Feb 22 02:52:57 Sc0rpius, the problem it's the time :P Feb 22 02:52:58 right now I'm working in tree view mode for Modest so it's hard for me to take a look at that cache thing Feb 22 02:53:33 something like this: http://ompldr.org/vN2lhZA Feb 22 02:54:32 Sc0rpius, I'll put it in my agenda for the weekend, maybe I'll ask for help here to get started Feb 22 02:54:48 Sc0rpius, nice! it looks very nice Feb 22 02:54:57 sure, usually there's a lot of people here helping but they are sleeping right now Feb 22 02:55:12 yup, no more accounts window and mailboxes window, it's optional of course Feb 22 02:55:53 Sc0rpius, I used the local dovecot solution, but it was very ugly, and it did not support multiple accounts Feb 22 02:56:41 but it solved the waiting times Feb 22 02:57:25 don't you have 3G in your area? Feb 22 02:58:29 Sc0rpius, nope :( one operator has it, but it sucks real hard Feb 22 02:58:42 too bad Feb 22 02:58:58 I get around 2.5 Mbps on 3G with the N900 Feb 22 02:59:01 not bad for a cell phone Feb 22 02:59:26 Sc0rpius, it's not that bad, I'm always in WiFi, and the battery life is not that good anyways :) Feb 22 02:59:54 Sc0rpius, EDGE on my operator is just as good as 3G in the other Feb 22 02:59:55 http://twitpic.com/3fbqdx <-- there **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Feb 22 02:59:57 2011