**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Feb 22 02:59:58 2011 Feb 22 03:00:20 Sc0rpius, LOOOL, I'm in CCS Feb 22 03:00:25 really? Feb 22 03:01:16 in CCS the three providers have 3G actually Feb 22 03:01:42 but the N900 just works with one Feb 22 03:01:43 Sc0rpius, yes, but Digitel here is not as good Feb 22 03:02:01 where in Caracas are you? Feb 22 03:02:32 my office is in La Trinidad, and my home in Palo Verde Feb 22 03:02:39 are you from Venezuela? Feb 22 03:02:45 yes I am Feb 22 03:03:05 in La Trinidad you'll get the speed you saw in the pic Feb 22 03:03:11 Palo Verde, I'm not so sure... Feb 22 03:03:56 Sc0rpius, yes, but _only_ in La Trinidad, there's no much 3G coverage Feb 22 03:04:38 and Digitel's new data plans are fugly Feb 22 03:04:43 from Concresa to La Lagunita I guess. They have been slow in Caracas. I get full 3G in Guarenas/Guatire for example Feb 22 03:04:49 50Mb max Feb 22 03:08:50 I noticed here one plan. Feb 22 03:08:57 10G/mo for $20 Feb 22 03:09:13 And then if you go a gig over, it's $160 Feb 22 03:10:07 well not badf Feb 22 03:10:31 that's not bad if you keep your transferred data under 10GB Feb 22 03:11:05 SpeedEvil, here we can dream with that Feb 22 03:12:55 talking of the evil, my ISP just seemingly started blocking http. Feb 22 03:13:08 because I'm still here, I guess. Feb 22 03:13:28 maybe their webcache crashed Feb 22 03:14:31 probably, funnily enough I was trying to read that page about some random guy trying to buy a satellite to give free access around Feb 22 03:14:32 that's when SSH -D comes handy Feb 22 03:15:26 well, see you tomorrow Feb 22 03:15:31 see ya Feb 22 03:15:35 cya Feb 22 03:15:48 bye Feb 22 03:15:52 Sc0rpius, thx for the help Feb 22 03:15:55 sure Feb 22 03:17:10 wrong button as usual Feb 22 03:37:35 Oh fuck me Feb 22 03:37:39 What a week Feb 22 03:38:07 USB port just came out of my proto. Feb 22 03:38:24 Dropped my personal device under the tap. Feb 22 03:38:27 * GAN900 sighs. Feb 22 03:46:53 hmmh Feb 22 03:46:55 gnaah Feb 22 03:47:17 can't get sbrsh to work with scratchbox / diablo Feb 22 03:47:29 I don't exactly know why Feb 22 03:47:45 GAN900, That really stinks - are you without an N900 now? Feb 22 03:48:14 Ken-Young, can charge batteries on my 5800, but rather inconvenient. Feb 22 03:52:26 GAN900: i use a lenmar ppuclip Feb 22 03:56:41 anyone try one of these $10 ebay 2250mAh batteries for the n900? Feb 22 04:01:38 internetishard: Probably 850ma in reality Feb 22 04:01:47 haha, why? Feb 22 04:02:27 I'd like an external charger, I got these two batteries plus external charger for $10 on ebay a few months ago and it doesn't work very well anymore Feb 22 04:02:44 It won't charge the original nokia battery just the ones it came with Feb 22 04:03:04 Cause almost all the cheap batterys are actually 850mah cheap ones Feb 22 04:03:06 I'd like two more high qual (official) nokia batteries and a charger that is compatible with them Feb 22 04:03:25 I'd look for Japod batteries - they're a quality OEM and seem to work nicely Feb 22 04:03:45 the -real- nokia's cost loads, and the "genuine" ones on Ebay are anything but Feb 22 04:04:23 how would I charge the japod batteries externally? Feb 22 04:04:35 the whole point for me is to be able to carry around 2 full batteries with me Feb 22 04:04:56 Um, get a $10 normal charger Feb 22 04:05:06 what's that? Feb 22 04:05:12 does it interface with the bats directly? Feb 22 04:05:33 Um.. off ebay. they are very cheap Li-on chargers, come for almost all shapes and sizes of battery Feb 22 04:05:38 where do I get japod batteries? Feb 22 04:05:46 I'd look on DealExtreme.com Feb 22 04:05:59 yeah, the last one i got would charge the batteries it came with but not my official nokia one (Which lasts longer) Feb 22 04:06:07 They're a china drop-shipper and do well. Feb 22 04:06:17 Look at reviews, there's several Japod models Feb 22 04:06:47 and use that in some random ebay charger for then900? Feb 22 04:07:15 is marxian around here? Feb 22 04:07:32 Yea, should work fine Feb 22 04:07:56 you've an external charger? Feb 22 04:08:08 maybe I can verify a specific one works before I get it Feb 22 05:11:03 I really wonder how such a dirt cheap piece of crap could refuse to charge original Nokia cells exclusively Feb 22 05:15:41 heh Feb 22 05:16:40 Yea :\ Feb 22 05:17:06 Either it's under-spec'd and simply -can't charge the large cell, or the Nokia's cell is damaged. Feb 22 05:17:24 But I think the latter's far more possible than the former Feb 22 05:21:31 DocScrutinizer, the Nokia batteries' protection chip kills the charge Feb 22 05:21:31 Some of the cheap ones just dump 5V into the battery Feb 22 05:22:32 hmm, I always thought it has a protection chip, but somebody claimed it doesn't Feb 22 05:24:15 ShadowJK: anyway it's not the 5V but rather the unmoderated current that is too high and makes cellprot trip Feb 22 05:24:34 crazy Feb 22 05:26:24 Is the other guy trying to get a free nokia here? Feb 22 05:26:26 5V would build up only if the cell is at 110%, or when charged with really high current Feb 22 05:27:01 lolcat: here are no free Nokias Feb 22 05:27:17 hm my ppuclip charged the battery just fine. Feb 22 05:27:41 whatever that is Feb 22 05:30:41 sleep is very important for health, you people need to sleep Feb 22 05:30:59 whatever that is Feb 22 05:31:01 * DocScrutinizer ponders finally disassembling a BL-5J Feb 22 05:31:03 it's missing in my horror cabinet ;-) Feb 22 05:36:33 mwah found n900 stylus after 10 months Feb 22 05:36:52 never bought a replacement? Feb 22 05:37:07 I rarely use the stylus Feb 22 05:37:12 Feb 22 05:37:17 DocScrutinizer: lenmar ppuclip, that's a universal lion charger, and if there is any smaller then i missed it. Feb 22 05:37:18 HELO all Feb 22 05:37:59 hi RST38h Feb 22 05:38:18 pupnik: lol Feb 22 05:38:23 moo RST38h Feb 22 05:38:37 mo00000000000000000000ooooooooooooooooooooooooooo0o0o0ooo Feb 22 05:38:49 ~moo Feb 22 05:38:50 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Feb 22 05:39:29 sadly, all of that is true Feb 22 05:40:40 that has to be a bonsai cow that's twice as much as me Feb 22 05:42:13 well yeah... considering a cow weights around 1000 kgs Feb 22 05:42:17 weighs Feb 22 05:43:20 mhm, so the cow doesn't know about powers of ten Feb 22 05:43:36 or simply about zeroes Feb 22 05:44:44 I'm a cow, hear me moo, I weigh twenty times you do... Feb 22 05:45:20 wow I'm getting old Feb 22 05:45:26 I had to change font size in almost everything Feb 22 05:45:42 and now I'm trying to figure out a way in Firefox to zoom all pages by default Feb 22 05:45:56 it seems I can't read those tiny fonts anymore Feb 22 05:46:17 There is a"Bigger" option in the menu Feb 22 05:46:25 I can zoom in Feb 22 05:46:30 but it's annoying to do it everytime Feb 22 05:47:48 no, it is persistent Feb 22 05:48:05 View->Zoom->ZoomIn Feb 22 05:48:12 o.O Feb 22 05:48:30 it's persistent by URL, but if I open another tab and type a different URL it's not zoomed Feb 22 05:48:43 Nope, it is globallypersistent,at least here Feb 22 05:49:41 well not for me Feb 22 05:49:45 get a decent screen, like 640*480 :-P Feb 22 05:50:14 or a 50" Feb 22 05:50:31 Sc0: Weird. Same Firefox 3.6? Feb 22 05:50:45 yup, 3.6.13 Feb 22 05:50:49 or glasses Feb 22 05:50:58 I *have* glasses Feb 22 05:51:08 I have 2 monitors, one it's 20" 1600x900 and another 17" 1280x1024 Feb 22 05:51:58 unbearable I will need some as well soon Feb 22 05:52:25 I've been wearing glasses for the last 10 years Feb 22 05:53:13 well, probably it's not glasses I need, but carrots Feb 22 05:53:24 you need to sleep Feb 22 05:53:30 can't read a bok anymore under a candle Feb 22 05:53:37 and me too Feb 22 05:53:37 book Feb 22 05:53:42 I don't read Feb 22 05:53:44 it's obsolete Feb 22 05:53:48 I should go to sleep actually Feb 22 05:54:00 meh, I *never* sleep, didn't you hear about that? Feb 22 05:54:06 I noticed Feb 22 05:57:29 Is there any MMS scripts for Maemo? Feb 22 05:57:39 I get 500 for free with my new provider... Feb 22 05:57:52 scripts? Feb 22 05:58:05 That could send an entire folder or something Feb 22 05:58:12 meh Feb 22 05:58:16 Or do anything usefull with them Feb 22 05:58:35 I have send 15 MMS my whole life, now I will get 500 a month... Feb 22 05:58:36 fmms --help Feb 22 05:58:38 maybe Feb 22 05:59:08 * DocScrutinizer has sent ONE, from a phone of a friend Feb 22 05:59:59 and that one didn't pan out like planned, but made the birthday guy bitch at us why we send such crap Feb 22 05:59:59 * jonwil never sends SMS or MMS Feb 22 06:01:00 lemme put it this way: MMS are dead and forgotten in Germany - maybe whole Europe Feb 22 06:01:05 I can't decide on if I need two phones with twin sims Feb 22 06:01:09 * RST38h never sent or received MMS in his life Feb 22 06:01:13 as popular as WAP Feb 22 06:01:16 Must be a good thing Feb 22 06:01:18 DocScrutinizer: It is pretty much dead here too Feb 22 06:01:42 Who wants to spend 2NOK at sendig a poor resolution image? Feb 22 06:01:49 WAP is *very* popular among providers, lets them charge you exorbital prices when you choose a wrong access point by mistake Feb 22 06:03:38 I don't even get a WAP access point Feb 22 06:03:45 I have Internet and MMS Feb 22 06:03:57 Apparently I can use MMS to use IM and such Feb 22 06:05:29 Is there a usage counter for Maemo? Feb 22 06:05:37 Like sms/minutes/mb? Feb 22 06:06:32 MMS traffic is also expensive Feb 22 06:06:41 So I would avoid using it for anything Feb 22 06:07:31 I get 500 MB a month with this provider Feb 22 06:07:45 Think I can use any access point Feb 22 06:20:49 Well, when you add up all our calories and then you add up the energy needed to run the computer and the air-conditioner, you get an incredibly large number, somewhere around 11,000 watts. Feb 22 06:21:00 Did you know a human being at rest only uses 90 watts? Or that a hunter-gatherer needs about 250 watts to hunt and find food? Feb 22 06:22:56 RST38h: Oo Feb 22 06:23:00 A ligth bulb uses that Feb 22 06:23:58 and the brain uses about 12 W iirc Feb 22 06:24:26 bbl Feb 22 06:24:42 it's a value for money thing Feb 22 06:24:44 * RST38h suggests just keeping the brain then Feb 22 06:24:46 those watts are cheap Feb 22 06:24:51 so we use them as such Feb 22 06:25:31 You do not. This 11kWt figure is for the US. Feb 22 06:25:56 I'm on hydro. I'd expect it's even cheaper here. Feb 22 06:26:57 I pay 100USD or something for the power here Feb 22 06:27:04 I think I get 2-6k watts Feb 22 06:27:19 Haven't tested what the fuses are rated at Feb 22 06:28:52 err WUT? how did we get from 500 MMS to kW now? Feb 22 06:36:48 Compare CNN international to CNN US homepage: http://imgur.com/gallery/G9hpN Feb 22 06:40:05 pupnik, Are you saying Best Buy isn't the bigger story? Feb 22 06:41:02 :) Feb 22 06:45:11 pupnik:well known stuff Feb 22 06:45:13 nothing new Feb 22 06:45:48 cnn asia did interviews with us army deserters during Bush time in the office Feb 22 06:45:58 cnn usa? not a sign of 'em. Feb 22 08:16:45 good morning Feb 22 08:17:29 in maemo is 'user' a part of the group root by default ? Feb 22 08:21:04 biston, no Feb 22 08:21:23 good morning Feb 22 08:21:31 Venemo, good morning Feb 22 08:21:43 you too Termana Feb 22 09:05:33 is there a way to crack a router's pass? Feb 22 09:06:05 just reset the thing? Feb 22 09:06:19 can't :p Feb 22 09:07:08 I'm connected to it, just forgot the settings page password Feb 22 09:10:45 hard reset with the pin? Feb 22 09:11:19 don't have access to the pin Feb 22 09:11:56 the physical pin-hole Feb 22 09:11:59 run an exploit against the outdated software stack? Feb 22 09:13:35 chx: that usually works Feb 22 09:14:43 MohammadAG: have you tried '0000', '123456' or 'aaaa' yet? ;-) Feb 22 09:15:04 yeah :p Feb 22 09:15:41 why can't you reset the thing, then? Feb 22 09:16:21 it's my school's router Feb 22 09:17:00 it exists physically? ;) Feb 22 09:17:34 TD-W8901G Feb 22 09:17:38 I'm connected to it Feb 22 09:17:46 just need the plaintext pass Feb 22 09:18:27 are you sure you "need" it? :p Feb 22 09:19:08 yes :P Feb 22 09:21:29 have you changed it? Feb 22 09:21:44 or is it one of the default ones, like "admin"? Feb 22 09:22:23 for that modem it's admin/admin apparently Feb 22 09:23:09 apparently Feb 22 09:23:59 http://linux.slashdot.org/story/11/02/22/0244242/German-Foreign-Office-Going-Back-To-Windows Feb 22 09:26:32 aww they had to write their own printer drivers :( Feb 22 09:28:53 jacekowski: isn't that old? Feb 22 09:29:20 dunno Feb 22 09:29:24 i've just seen it now Feb 22 09:30:47 timeless, it hit the /. front page this morning Feb 22 09:31:07 so yes, it's old Feb 22 09:31:35 the article is from the 16th Feb 22 09:31:41 which makes it nearly a week old Feb 22 09:31:47 * timeless wonders if it's just a duplicate Feb 22 09:32:20 sad, but as far I know users, they would complain regardless of real functionality Feb 22 09:32:23 tim Feb 22 09:33:10 edheldil: what interests me is the time lag Feb 22 09:33:19 2007=>2011 is 4 years Feb 22 09:33:38 hm Feb 22 09:33:43 it sounds roughly like the turnover interval for a politician Feb 22 09:33:43 let's see Feb 22 09:33:47 new (IT) management, probably, elections ... Feb 22 09:34:09 if i reflash, what will disappear (per default, not "complete" reflash)? Feb 22 09:34:18 FIQ|n900: um Feb 22 09:34:29 do you have a backup? Feb 22 09:34:38 i don't need my FAT32 things, but my home partition mostly Feb 22 09:34:39 everything in MyDocs will survive Feb 22 09:34:48 that's about it Feb 22 09:34:51 not yet, but i will make one before i reflash Feb 22 09:34:53 meh Feb 22 09:34:59 aka useless things Feb 22 09:35:07 i believe you'll lose home too Feb 22 09:35:07 (for me) Feb 22 09:35:14 ok then Feb 22 09:35:20 * timeless hasn't really thought about it much Feb 22 09:35:30 there's a separate image for MyDocs Feb 22 09:35:32 i guess i will cp things i want to save to SD then Feb 22 09:35:41 hrm, actually Feb 22 09:35:51 home and mydocs are on a single physical device Feb 22 09:35:56 so maybe home would survive Feb 22 09:36:04 and, FYI, i've repartitioned Feb 22 09:36:06 personally, i'd just create a backup :) Feb 22 09:36:11 so FAT32 is the smaller one Feb 22 09:36:14 Yeah, guess so :p Feb 22 09:36:34 sorry, it's been ages since i've worried about this Feb 22 09:36:36 home should survive Feb 22 09:36:45 but things like your WiFi settings will be lost Feb 22 09:36:55 for me, those are the most important part of my device Feb 22 09:37:01 noooooes, that was sooo hard to configure! Feb 22 09:37:06 anyway Feb 22 09:37:10 that and my telepathy + mail settings Feb 22 09:37:14 lol Feb 22 09:37:16 hm Feb 22 09:37:22 * timeless has ~10 accounts Feb 22 09:37:24 all of home then? Feb 22 09:37:45 wifi settings aren't in /home Feb 22 09:37:51 ah Feb 22 09:37:52 use the backup app to create a backup Feb 22 09:38:02 then backup home+mydocs Feb 22 09:38:11 how is backups stored? Feb 22 09:38:22 it's a directory containing zip files in MyDocs Feb 22 09:38:41 hrm Feb 22 09:38:44 \o Feb 22 09:38:45 hello Feb 22 09:38:56 /o Feb 22 09:39:07 olleh Feb 22 09:39:09 /dev/mmcblk0p2 27G 7,8G 18G 31% /home @ "used", wouldn't that zip be pretty big? Feb 22 09:39:21 the backup isn't a backup of home Feb 22 09:39:26 it's a backup of stuff in / Feb 22 09:39:30 (mostly) Feb 22 09:39:30 Nice to see a lot of cool stuff included in the latest cssu update Feb 22 09:39:39 but how does one enable them? Feb 22 09:39:46 Hm, ok Feb 22 09:39:46 mece: enable? Feb 22 09:40:01 FIQ|n900: and if it does something stupid, a bug needs to be filed Feb 22 09:40:15 ok Feb 22 09:40:24 Does it backup my installed packages list, or will i have to dpkg -l and store in a text file manually? Feb 22 09:42:36 timeless, well there was some transition updates by thp, and many desktops and whatnot.. Feb 22 09:43:24 FIQ|n900: your questions would be answered if you tried to do it.. Feb 22 09:44:41 mece: /usr/share/hildon-desktop/transitions.ini ;) Feb 22 09:45:03 wifi settings can be seen through gconftool Feb 22 09:46:05 thp, cheers! Feb 22 09:47:00 Fixed redirects in the wiki btw. cssu and CSSU now redirects to Community_SSU so if you want a shorter link to post, you can use that. (http://wiki.maemo.org/CSSU) Feb 22 09:47:06 What is the name of the internet browser on my N900 ? I would like to open a local html file up and I thought if I knew the name of the browser I could run it from console with the desired html file as an argument. Feb 22 09:47:28 microB Feb 22 09:47:46 djszapi, browser.launch perhaps? Feb 22 09:48:16 hmm Feb 22 09:48:19 that segfaulted.. Feb 22 09:49:10 djszapi, browser --url=http://asdf.com Feb 22 09:49:14 djszapi, works Feb 22 09:54:12 was pr 1.3.3.7-6 released today or yesterday? I thought I might add a date to the changelog there. Feb 22 09:54:28 1.3.3.7-6 ?? Feb 22 09:55:04 djszapi: technically you should probably use hildonmime or dbus or something to dispatch your file/url :) Feb 22 09:56:06 timeless, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog#PR_1.3.3.7-6 Feb 22 09:56:15 mece: Feb 22 09:56:17 > use http://j.mp/communityssu as a quick link to this page from your Nokia N900) Feb 22 09:56:27 communityssu isn't particularly quick Feb 22 09:56:40 m5cssu ? Feb 22 09:57:30 > In all, there are a series of installations for which HAM will prompt you with messages and warnings. Click "accept" and "done" for each and let HAM install all the community packages. Feb 22 09:57:49 "in all" expects "in all there are " Feb 22 09:58:12 > Once done (ie. no further install prompts appear after some while), Feb 22 09:58:14 s/ie Feb 22 09:58:21 s/ie\./i.e./g Feb 22 09:58:36 s/some while/some time/g Feb 22 09:59:03 > to ensure HAM will now be using community repository for updates. Feb 22 09:59:11 s/be using/use/ Feb 22 09:59:12 timeless meant: > to ensure HAM will now use community repository for updates. Feb 22 09:59:39 you should really avoid but especially avoid -verb Feb 22 10:00:53 this is pretty short: http://is.gd/mcssu Feb 22 10:01:08 sold. Feb 22 10:06:01 timeless: actually I should use the filemanager and open the index.html from there. Feb 22 10:06:16 djszapi: good plan Feb 22 10:06:17 http://abcnews.go.com/US/mark-ciavarella-pa-juvenile-court-judge-convicted-alleged/story?id=12965182 Feb 22 10:06:18 * timeless sighs Feb 22 10:07:03 timeless: yeah, it works, but thank you for your help mece, anway. Feb 22 10:07:05 * anyway Feb 22 10:11:29 X-Fade: ping Feb 22 10:23:25 X-Fade: if you get this, can you look at the annoying curl build loop, it's been spamming me for the past 3 days :( Feb 22 10:26:05 hi Feb 22 10:26:18 I've installed the kernel-power Feb 22 10:26:42 Good for you .. Feb 22 10:26:45 if I want overclock it do I need to install another specific version or can I overclock Feb 22 10:26:48 :) Feb 22 10:26:50 from the phone Feb 22 10:26:54 :) Feb 22 10:26:54 avenon: don't overclock Feb 22 10:26:58 why not? Feb 22 10:27:03 avenon: we don't support overclocking Feb 22 10:27:10 ? Feb 22 10:27:17 Check the numerous threads, and don't OC unless you want to severly reduce the life expectancy of your device. Feb 22 10:27:19 what do you mean? Feb 22 10:27:24 i support OC Feb 22 10:27:35 pexi, cool Feb 22 10:27:38 :) Feb 22 10:28:02 just remember to use it finland at winter Feb 22 10:28:07 lol Feb 22 10:28:09 I'm sure in other words, if you overclocked and cooked that poor TI OMAP CPU of yours, don't come looking for us Feb 22 10:28:17 of course Feb 22 10:28:27 maybe I'll not use 1.1 Ghz Feb 22 10:28:34 it's ok 900 Feb 22 10:28:51 psycho_oreos: fact it - don't come looking here in either case - this is now an officially close-to-unsupported platform Feb 22 10:28:56 fact is * Feb 22 10:29:12 so do I need another kernel or it's ok power-kernel? Feb 22 10:29:13 tybollt, I think that's a bit too extreme :P Feb 22 10:34:11 mece: i hope you updated the wiki too :) Feb 22 10:35:00 avenon: just go out and buy yourself your very own cpu Feb 22 10:35:25 I need it on the n900 phone :) Feb 22 10:35:28 generally speaking no one wants to support people who OC because OC'ing can cause all sorts of random failures anywhere else in the system at any time Feb 22 10:35:45 *why* do you need it on your phone? Feb 22 10:35:57 my n900 can ssh into an entire corporate environment Feb 22 10:36:15 plus two open source community environments, and at least one expandable cloud Feb 22 10:36:29 that gives my n900 lots of power w/o heat issues Feb 22 10:36:50 i can run desktop firefox, i can run desktop virtualbox Feb 22 10:36:59 i can run mathematica or matlab Feb 22 10:37:16 all from the portable comfort of my own standard non hacked n900 Feb 22 10:37:54 (n.b. i've only actually used firefox of those 4, but i certainly could use the others) Feb 22 10:38:33 Sweet, QML and my OpenGL engine work very nicely together :) Feb 22 10:38:52 avenon: seriously, what application(s) or use case(s) do you have which actually force you to need OC Feb 22 10:39:06 alterego: =) Feb 22 10:40:24 timeless, I need to process a framerate of 20MBits/s from an usb camera Feb 22 10:40:29 isochronous transfer Feb 22 10:40:44 Even transparency performs well :D Feb 22 10:40:47 AWESOME! Feb 22 10:40:48 there are problems so I think it's the cpu Feb 22 10:41:30 gulp Feb 22 10:41:46 I'm one month trying to solve this problem so I think it's time to try the OC Feb 22 10:41:48 what are you putting those bits? Feb 22 10:41:55 More likely memory .. Feb 22 10:41:58 and swap Feb 22 10:42:07 uhm Feb 22 10:42:08 do they get sent to disk? network? swap? Feb 22 10:42:44 I have to check it Feb 22 10:42:46 :D Feb 22 10:42:54 * timeless ponders 2.5MB/s doesn't sound too stressful Feb 22 10:43:04 avenon: that's definitely something you should know... Feb 22 10:43:15 timeless, yep you're right Feb 22 10:43:34 for example, Feb 22 10:43:44 alterego: offhand, any idea what speeds we get using the n900 as usb-mass-storage? Feb 22 10:43:56 by default where should they go? Feb 22 10:44:16 timeless: in my experience pretty much standard USB 2 speeds Feb 22 10:44:25 sorry sorry Feb 22 10:44:39 alterego: somewhere around 10MB/s? Feb 22 10:44:41 it is not 20 MB Feb 22 10:44:43 no MBits Feb 22 10:44:55 you meant Mbits :p Feb 22 10:45:01 avenon: you said MBits earlier Feb 22 10:45:03 Megabytes Feb 22 10:45:08 yep my fault Feb 22 10:45:10 i don't deal in MBits Feb 22 10:45:17 oh, so you meant 20MB/s? Feb 22 10:45:19 20MB/s? Feb 22 10:45:21 yep Feb 22 10:45:25 it's a lot Feb 22 10:45:33 right Feb 22 10:45:36 maybe I can reduce it to 10 MB/s Feb 22 10:45:40 but it's a lot anyway Feb 22 10:45:47 anyway, my first question was to alterego about usb-mass-storage Feb 22 10:45:51 and so maybe it's a cpu problem now Feb 22 10:45:54 if we only get 10MB/s doing mass storage Feb 22 10:45:57 you'd be lucky to get that through the usb link, regardless of the device at the end Feb 22 10:46:08 then i wouldn't bother trying to get better than 10MB/s on the link Feb 22 10:46:15 and i'd assume the link is the limit Feb 22 10:46:26 uhm so you're saying that the usb cable is the problem? Feb 22 10:46:33 no Feb 22 10:46:40 i'd finger the controller/port Feb 22 10:46:48 but i'm not pointing fingers Feb 22 10:46:52 I have modified the controller Feb 22 10:46:55 usb technology itself is the problem, almost no usb2 controllers are actually that fast Feb 22 10:46:56 driver Feb 22 10:47:03 i'm asking someone to check the speed for the mass-storage device Feb 22 10:47:09 and now it works better Feb 22 10:47:21 at least I don't get errors Feb 22 10:47:23 avenon: so what speed do you get for usb-mass-storage? Feb 22 10:47:31 * timeless sobs Feb 22 10:47:34 I have to check it again Feb 22 10:47:37 im checking now timeless Feb 22 10:47:40 but with these settings Feb 22 10:47:44 not getting i/o errors on usb-mass-storage would be a good thing Feb 22 10:47:48 it's possible to start the transfer Feb 22 10:47:54 before it wasn't possible Feb 22 10:47:57 hypothetically i know of people who suffer because that's missing somewhere Feb 22 10:48:03 (thankfully not on the n900) Feb 22 10:48:19 nid0: thanks Feb 22 10:48:27 im getting around 8.5MB/s Feb 22 10:48:42 k Feb 22 10:50:13 yeah 8.5-8.8MB/s seems about its' limit Feb 22 10:51:06 instead Feb 22 10:51:12 on a normal pc how much is? Feb 22 10:51:15 it Feb 22 10:56:38 avenon: anyway, since we're not even getting 10MB/s for mass storage, i would recommend you not bother trying to do better than 8MB/s for your usb device Feb 22 10:57:05 nid0: =~ s/its'/its/ [its is already possessive] Feb 22 10:57:09 timeless, damn it Feb 22 10:57:50 nid0: just for kicks, can you confirm that doesn't show high cpu load? :) Feb 22 10:58:08 -- might as well rule out the "overclocking would help" argument... Feb 22 10:59:44 yea load peaks at around 0.5 while transferring as mass storage and not actively doing anything else, hovering around 85% idle Feb 22 10:59:45 nid0, but have you a overclocked kernel? Feb 22 10:59:50 no Feb 22 11:00:10 does anyone have tried it with a modified kernel? Feb 22 11:00:44 I get 30M/s with my older thinkpad, to USB Feb 22 11:01:17 SpeedEvil, how much is fast the CPU? Feb 22 11:01:28 1.6GHz Feb 22 11:01:39 uhm k Feb 22 11:01:56 That's not really directly related though Feb 22 11:07:14 Interestingly, with three drives, I get 14.2M/s - an aggregate of 42M - which is quite close to theoretical max. Feb 22 11:08:18 cool Feb 22 11:08:32 anyway in the kernel there is written: Feb 22 11:09:19 ISO not tested ... might work, but only weakly isochronous' Feb 22 11:09:24 :/ Feb 22 11:22:57 MohammadAG: do you want an N950? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=952531#post952531 Feb 22 11:25:59 Venemo_N900: N950?! Feb 22 11:26:31 lolcat: it's news to me too. read the thread. Feb 22 11:30:18 * ruskie is seriously tired of "it needs flash 10"... Feb 22 11:30:25 No specs? Feb 22 11:31:25 ruskie: I disable flash and java in my main browser, I wish I was competent enough to disable gif too Feb 22 11:32:24 lolcat, I simply don't install them Feb 22 11:33:21 hey, does KMine support flowerpots? Feb 22 11:35:47 * timeless hates /.'s anti AC posting features Feb 22 11:38:37 ruskie: I need java to use my online bank Feb 22 11:39:35 http://www.concept-phones.com/nokia/nokia-n950-brings-twist-original-design-n900/ Feb 22 11:39:39 I don't understand it Feb 22 11:39:43 How does that even work? Feb 22 11:42:05 `its magic' - apple support monkey once said :p Feb 22 11:42:14 still it looks fat Feb 22 11:43:43 I think Ill buy it Feb 22 11:43:47 If meego is usable Feb 22 11:43:51 I hope that that pic is not true Feb 22 11:44:01 Why? Feb 22 11:45:09 Venemo_N900: ^ Feb 22 11:45:13 It seams fine Feb 22 11:45:21 it looks ugly. Feb 22 11:45:35 only the qwerty would be enough for me Feb 22 11:45:36 I preorderd mine Feb 22 11:45:40 to me personally it seems like its quite easy to break. I mean sliding in two different directions, wtf Feb 22 11:45:59 apart from that its hardly different from N900 Feb 22 11:46:41 I would love it Feb 22 11:47:20 psycho_oreos: Phone insurance is like... 6USD a month? Feb 22 11:48:10 lolcat, and you should know very well how insurance companies work by now :) They like to take money rather than to give money especially at times of need Feb 22 11:48:20 I broke my N97 Feb 22 11:48:35 Or rather, some dude hit me in my face, and ran off with it Feb 22 11:48:54 good riddance? ;) Feb 22 11:49:03 Still they gave me more than I paid for it to buy a N900 Feb 22 11:49:15 nice Feb 22 11:49:34 And at the shop I bougth the N900 they only had the display model Feb 22 11:49:39 So it was 60% cheaper Feb 22 11:50:20 But the salesman let me get it as a package deal with usb headset, memorycard and some other things so I would get the full amount from the insurance company Feb 22 11:50:50 err, bluetooth headset Feb 22 11:51:19 eh. N900 froze :( Feb 22 11:51:41 then again I think yer premiums will skyrocket :P Feb 22 11:52:05 psycho_oreos: Fixed price, wich I think is crazy Feb 22 11:52:16 36NOK no mather what make or model your phone is Feb 22 11:52:31 Of course that pays of when I have a N900 Feb 22 11:52:42 It costs twice the amount most other phones does Feb 22 11:53:41 Of course the fun arises when n900 is no longer sold. Feb 22 11:53:52 And they replace your n900 with an 'equivalent' phone. Feb 22 11:53:57 lolcat, so you don't pay extra just to reclaim a new one? sounds like a rather nice loophole one can scam to get heaps of phones through that sort of deal :p Feb 22 11:53:58 n97. say. Feb 22 11:54:37 SpeedEvil: :D Feb 22 11:55:08 Hmm - n900 still out of stock at nokia.co.uk Feb 22 11:55:12 N8 Feb 22 11:55:37 psycho_oreos: Well, after two lost phones in 1 or 2 years, then you will have to pay 1000-1500NOK yourself Feb 22 11:55:38 you can fetch N900s from ebay for a fair used price Feb 22 11:55:41 psycho_oreos: most phone insurance in the uk is kinda like that, fixed premium and a small excess, = "break" your phone every 2 years for a freebie upgrade Feb 22 11:56:34 SpeedEvil: You won't they go by a list price, if they don't sell it (my phone company owns a phone shop) then they use the last price and I get to pick myself Feb 22 11:57:24 http://shop.nokia.co.uk/webapp/wcs/stores/servlet/productdetail_10512_10102_-11_20000387 Feb 22 11:57:25 hmm Feb 22 11:57:27 * SpeedEvil wonders. Feb 22 11:58:10 lolcat, ahh so there is that bit of catch eh? well I thought it was pretty funny how it was evidently a big flaw. Feb 22 11:58:24 nid0, nice Feb 22 11:58:35 n950? That MWC presentation, sounds like Nokia is toying with us :) Feb 22 11:58:51 time will tell Feb 22 11:58:51 psycho_oreos: Well, their shop is really expencive, and high end phones like the N900 never gets a low list price, whilst most shops sells it bellow the listprice Feb 22 11:59:14 n950 - was something announced? Feb 22 11:59:25 ah Feb 22 12:00:03 wot? Feb 22 12:00:17 http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n950-meego-phone-named-very-elegant-hardware-says-cto-video-22135076/ Feb 22 12:00:28 " Last month, the MeeGo team took its UI development covert as it finalized the latest update ahead of being considered “feature complete.”" Feb 22 12:00:40 lolcat, *shrugs* for one to sell you a display phone at a reduced price is rather nice but I still remain cynical, They probably weren't selling that many N900 in the first place and therefore they may as well get rid of the one that's been on display for quite sometime :) Feb 22 12:01:46 psycho_oreos: Still, it was good. I got a bluetooth headset, I got a 32gb micro sd card. THe phone had a barley visible scratch in the screen. And the insurance company had to pay more than my N97 was sold for. Feb 22 12:02:10 And this was another shop, not the one owned by the phone/insurance company Feb 22 12:02:12 * Arkenoi wants hardware keyboard (fuck Elop) Feb 22 12:02:31 * SpeedEvil also wants hw keyboard. Feb 22 12:02:52 * nid0 wants a *decent* hw keyboard, or none Feb 22 12:02:56 And yes. Feb 22 12:03:00 I will never settle for a touch screen keyboard Feb 22 12:03:08 * Venemo_N900 wants hwkb too Feb 22 12:03:19 * Arkenoi won't buy all singing-and-dancing n950 just because hw kb is mandatory for me. Feb 22 12:03:23 “There’s a lot of work that’s gone into the technology,” he suggested, “there’s a lot of really interesting user interface and platform design work, some very elegant hardware.” Feb 22 12:03:25 lolcat, yeah I know but still :) there's something a little fishy there is all I'm pointing out Feb 22 12:03:45 Today, elegant hardware seems to mean a slim, rounded rectangle, with no slider. Feb 22 12:03:47 arno0ob: Doesn't N950 have two hwkbs? Feb 22 12:03:58 lolcat: why would it? Feb 22 12:03:58 no actual pics of n950 are leaked yet Feb 22 12:04:08 nid0: My images had! Feb 22 12:04:08 only concepts Feb 22 12:04:19 actually that's fucking apple cargo cult Feb 22 12:04:24 so, those pics are only speculation Feb 22 12:04:29 * psycho_oreos doesn't see any need to rush into buying let alone pre-ordering N950, they guy hasn't even posted the details. For all we know is what it may look like but it could running on some really crappy hardware Feb 22 12:04:45 random concept image by random person copy/pasting an n900 with an extra little keypad != new phone design Feb 22 12:04:53 :) Feb 22 12:04:56 http://www.concept-phones.com/nokia/nokia-n950-brings-twist-original-design-n900/ Feb 22 12:04:57 lol Feb 22 12:05:01 nid0: ++ Feb 22 12:05:15 SpeedEvil: That is how it will look Feb 22 12:05:16 I love the way 'designers' can do a lovely shaded model. Feb 22 12:05:36 But utterly don't bother working out how the slide mechanism works, as that's boring. Feb 22 12:05:40 just typical `icing' that artist usually does Feb 22 12:06:12 I would buy the one with the number pad Feb 22 12:06:24 If we're going unrealistic, I want a flippable display, with e-ink on one side. Feb 22 12:06:45 lol Feb 22 12:06:52 SpeedEvil: I want dual screen! Feb 22 12:06:55 well a dual slider itself isnt unrealistic, its been done before Feb 22 12:06:56 One on each side Feb 22 12:06:58 I want eink as well Feb 22 12:07:07 i want just smart e-ink Feb 22 12:07:12 no chips.. :) Feb 22 12:07:19 I just want a sliding keyboard with an adjustable angle Feb 22 12:07:24 nid0: Sure - but it adds weight, complexity, ... Feb 22 12:07:56 i just want a working solid reliable Nokia phone :) Feb 22 12:08:04 But would dual screen (one on each side) be so difficult? Feb 22 12:08:04 http://thenokiaguide.com/2010/08/19/the-first-meego-device-makes-its-appearance/ Feb 22 12:08:09 lolcat: yes Feb 22 12:08:34 lolcat: It complicates the case design enormously, as well as makes it thicker, the display is at least 2-3mm thick. Feb 22 12:08:45 bollocks to 1 on each side, id much rather they just go for the original communicator-style layout Feb 22 12:08:45 SpeedEvil: any info from an actually reliable source? Feb 22 12:08:47 also, you need bigger battery Feb 22 12:08:54 SpeedEvil: I don't like that last image Feb 22 12:08:56 Venemo_N900: I doubt it. Feb 22 12:09:08 lolcat: I suspect it'll be better than what arrives. Feb 22 12:09:13 I hope I'm wrong. Feb 22 12:09:25 SpeedEvil: :) Feb 22 12:09:29 More ram and cpu enough for open office would be nice Feb 22 12:09:43 More RAM is a gimme. Feb 22 12:09:58 At the time the n900 was designed, there were no suitable 512M RAM chips. Feb 22 12:10:15 How much ram do the android phones usually come with? CPU? Feb 22 12:10:24 To clarify. Feb 22 12:10:26 btw i noticed that typical phone for nokia upper management seen in public was ancient n95. it was a sign not to be ignored. Feb 22 12:10:28 depends Feb 22 12:10:42 The CPU has the RAM mounted on top. There were no suitable 512M RAM chips available. Feb 22 12:11:17 lols Feb 22 12:11:21 hows this for a bad picture Feb 22 12:11:22 http://www.nokiasite.net/tech-news/nokia-e7-hitting-play-com-on-march-21/ Feb 22 12:12:35 somehow managed to combine 3 different phones into 1 picture Feb 22 12:14:12 :) Feb 22 12:14:16 SpeedEvil: The N950 will have a bether cpu Feb 22 12:15:06 oo meego phone speculations! Feb 22 12:15:09 I like Feb 22 12:16:59 Arkenoi: Old Nokia phones were awesome Feb 22 12:17:29 Arkenoi: N95 was their last really decent phone (until N900) Feb 22 12:17:30 except for N95-1 Feb 22 12:17:51 * nid0 hugs e90 Feb 22 12:18:03 psycho_oreos: no Feb 22 12:18:11 N900 was the first phone that made me even look in the direction of a Nokia handset Feb 22 12:18:15 i liked my N95-1 Feb 22 12:18:17 actually, N95-1 was the best. Feb 22 12:19:02 Venemo_N900, um yes :p it was feeblishly powered with a puny RAM. It kept crashing on me several times until several firmware updates reduced the amounts of crashes Feb 22 12:19:13 I very nearly bought Motorola or HTC but both manufacturers lock down their phones too much for my taste Feb 22 12:19:19 psycho_oreos: never crashed for me Feb 22 12:20:45 Venemo_N900, you were lucky then, for me I've had nothing but woes with n95-1. When it comes to tinkering it would just bitch and moan, if you didn't heed to those calls it would just crash instead. Think of ROMPatcher when it came to disabling those gay camera/video sounds Feb 22 12:21:05 I got a N95... hmm after the 20.x update... Feb 22 12:21:41 psycho_oreos: dunno, I just turned those sounds off from the menu Feb 22 12:21:45 I still have my N95-1 but I don't really care much about it, it would just complain about Inserting SIM card Feb 22 12:21:55 Venemo_N900, that wasn't possible with my firmware Feb 22 12:21:56 psycho_oreos, it wouldn't actually Feb 22 12:22:01 it can run wifi only Feb 22 12:22:03 psycho_oreos: it was. Feb 22 12:22:19 ruskie, what do you mean it can run wifi only? Feb 22 12:22:23 the n95 Feb 22 12:22:26 no need for a sim card Feb 22 12:22:47 psycho_oreos: it wasn't a separate option; it was together with other such sounds Feb 22 12:23:02 I tend to have the n95 around my bed somewhere so I can use putty on it to ssh around my network if I'm to lazy to get up...(me n900 tends to be forgotten someplace just like any other phone)... Feb 22 12:23:06 Venemo_N900, I think you had a different firmware to mine. There was absolutely no settings to disable sound. I'm also sure nokia forums was littered with people asking how to turn them off. Its per country regulation Feb 22 12:23:24 ruskie, it didn't in my case. I must have the SIM card inserted or it would not function Feb 22 12:23:47 odd Feb 22 12:23:52 it does go into offline mode true Feb 22 12:23:53 ruskie, as in nothing else usable except asking for insertion of SIM card. Just like what a normal phone would ask Feb 22 12:24:00 psycho_oreos: I don't have it with me, but I'll look at it when I get home Feb 22 12:24:39 ruskie, I dunno I haven't updated mine for awhile but the inserting SIM messages are really annoying Feb 22 12:25:11 Venemo_N900, under camera? there were only shutter 1-4, nothing such as disable.. in the meantime I'll look for that thread Feb 22 12:25:23 psycho_oreos: no. under sound Feb 22 12:25:26 yeah the camera sound wasn't disablable on all Feb 22 12:25:51 it's the same option that disables battery sounds too Feb 22 12:26:16 warning sounds Feb 22 12:26:47 not sure of its English designation, but that one disabled camera sounds too for me Feb 22 12:27:04 ruskie, V31.0.017 16-12-08 RM-159 (13.01) Feb 22 12:27:18 Venemo_N900, looking for it, bet I won't find it Feb 22 12:27:37 psycho_oreos, and the phone is in offline mode? Feb 22 12:28:08 ruskie, no, I can switch to offline mode only if I have the SIM card inserted Feb 22 12:28:24 Venemo_N900, there wasn't a sound menu. There was settings but nothing about sound Feb 22 12:28:26 hmm Feb 22 12:28:30 psycho_oreos, N95? Feb 22 12:28:36 something broken sounds to me... Feb 22 12:28:46 MohammadAG, N95-1 (RM-159), the non-NAM version Feb 22 12:28:58 yeah, the one I have :p Feb 22 12:29:21 * ruskie has -1 as well Feb 22 12:29:22 ruskie, its been giving me shits since 2 months after the happy little purchase that I made awhile back. It still gives me shits when it plays up Feb 22 12:29:46 no problems here, might give it to a friend though Feb 22 12:30:00 maybe firmware update is definitely required? Feb 22 12:30:02 tbh, it's one of my favorite phones Feb 22 12:30:15 v35 is latest, what problems are you having? Feb 22 12:30:35 hmm I think mine is still @31... Feb 22 12:30:47 the battery door is so flimsy that it was easy for one to break the legs off it. I eventually used sticky tapes to hold it in place Feb 22 12:31:02 would probably need to verify that it can be cracked first though Feb 22 12:31:09 heh, I'm sure we all had that problem Feb 22 12:31:23 MohammadAG, V31, I had to use various hacks to get shit to work. My main gripe mainly lies with the stupid `Insert SIM card' message now Feb 22 12:31:38 hmm Feb 22 12:32:00 * ruskie had no probs with the battery door Feb 22 12:32:05 I had to crack mine just to get rid of that stupid camera shutter sounds, just to get C:\ and Z:\ visible. Just to be able to install things like pynetmony Feb 22 12:32:21 C: and Z: are always visible Feb 22 12:32:32 C:\Private isn't Feb 22 12:32:45 Z: can't be written to sadly Feb 22 12:32:46 or sys files, etc Feb 22 12:32:58 yeah Feb 22 12:33:05 rompatcher ftw Feb 22 12:33:05 I bought it evening on a saturday Feb 22 12:33:11 by lunch sunday it was cracked Feb 22 12:33:28 yeah I had to use that just to also get rid of the stupid camera shutter/video recording sounds Feb 22 12:33:45 I just did it out of matter of principle... my device... I can do what I want with it Feb 22 12:34:16 Can you disable the N900 camera sound? Feb 22 12:34:18 actually the way my n95 is currently configured I can just slot in a sim and still have everything I did to id... Feb 22 12:34:20 * psycho_oreos thinks what a pain in the ass, its much like how one normally has to jailbreak the nowadays the equivalent on android, iOS and WP7 Feb 22 12:34:33 lolcat, yes its noted in the wiki, plus using silent mode also works Feb 22 12:36:36 MohammadAG, can you run that n95-1 without SIM card now? Feb 22 12:36:41 What are 'tactile popups'? Feb 22 12:40:45 divan: vibration when the appmenu/dialogs appear/disappear Feb 22 12:41:25 thp, thanks. Is it useful? worth trying? Feb 22 12:41:39 i like it (but i'm obviously biased, as i wrote it :p) Feb 22 12:41:50 sounds like another energy guzzling thing that will be not-installed/disabled Feb 22 12:42:00 hehe Feb 22 12:42:09 I also dislike vibrations Feb 22 12:42:35 I have them for feedback... set to uber low... but that's mainly because I rarely use the touchscreen... Feb 22 12:43:27 * LjL wonders whether this Diablo Turbo thing is dangerous crap or what Feb 22 12:43:37 the way tactile feedback is enabled by default is useless - it also vibrates if you touch areas that are not "sensitive" (e.g. you don't hit a button) Feb 22 12:44:36 true Feb 22 12:46:02 Venemo_N900, http://www.nokiausers.net/forum/hardware-mods/8426-diy-how-disable-shutter-sound-red-led-nokia-nokia-n95-8gb-nokia-n95.html#post67922 <-- re: psycho_oreos: dunno, I just turned those sounds off from the menu Feb 22 12:47:22 it's legally mandated thing that you must not be able to disable it in some areas Feb 22 12:47:28 it's amazing how scummy ebay sellers of phones are :) Feb 22 12:47:29 US, middle east firmware don't have the option Feb 22 12:47:54 AU doesn't have the option to mute it either Feb 22 12:48:25 that's pretty strange Feb 22 12:48:48 hence ROMPatcher and toying around with N95-1 that will crash when the patch is applied on certain versions Feb 22 12:48:50 Well. Moo. Feb 22 12:49:14 pupnik: How about NOT buying a phone on ebay? Feb 22 12:49:47 psycho_oreos, you could always flash with an other area firmware Feb 22 12:50:03 ruskie, albeit that wasn't easy, its doable but it was risky Feb 22 12:50:18 RST38h: i can wait for a local unit Feb 22 12:50:35 you had to first change it so that its from another country prior to flashing it with another area's firmware Feb 22 12:50:53 and that wasn't always guaranteed to work or it won't have any other faults Feb 22 12:51:19 psycho_oreos, erm... it was dead easy Feb 22 12:51:33 one app... grab the info... change it... push it back to the device Feb 22 12:51:49 then of course you could flash it Feb 22 12:51:56 ruskie, that two part process? didn't think so, You had to change the product ID Feb 22 12:52:09 and hopefully nothing else is stuffed? :) Feb 22 12:52:40 * Arkenoi listened Green's speech. In a few words "everything is going as before: meego for geeks, symbian for others, dumbphones for third world countries, ah, about microsoft.. well, we got some funny shit, have a look, it may be amazing as well" Feb 22 12:53:08 Arkenoi: :D Feb 22 12:54:15 psycho_oreos, iirc it was one windows app Feb 22 12:54:17 mediaplayer is mod/change in SSU updates ? Feb 22 12:54:26 hookup device... grab info... change it... push it back Feb 22 12:54:40 the real problem if it is all true it is no good either Feb 22 12:55:01 Arkenoi: look at actions, not pronouncements Feb 22 12:55:11 ruskie, yeah one windows app which carried with the usual signs that you would see when trying to install uboot :p may brick your phone in other words Feb 22 12:55:46 pupnik, i see just one *real* action and it damn sucks: i won't get a new gone this spring. Feb 22 12:55:46 it was a royal pita for me, but I don't see any point in flashing it anymore, I went around the long way with ROMpatcher which works rather nicely Feb 22 12:55:50 psycho_oreos, but it wasn't actually hard... Feb 22 12:56:04 (and probably not in this year at all) Feb 22 12:56:40 * jonwil wishes he could figure out just which bits of information from the phone dialer are relavent to someone building an alternative dialer Feb 22 12:56:44 ruskie, it might not have been if it wasn't one's main phone :) I'd hate to walk around with a useless and bricked phone Feb 22 12:57:19 getting it reflashed the nokia centre guys probably would curiously asked why and how as to bricking the n95-1 Feb 22 12:57:41 psycho_oreos, I'd simply tell them... ;) Feb 22 12:57:54 I remember bricking my Motorola Z6 by mistake when I first got it Feb 22 12:58:11 I was trying to read the flash contents and accidentally sent the "Erase" command Feb 22 12:58:45 Took it to the local motorola service people and just said "it doesnt work, fix it" Feb 22 12:58:49 and they re-installed the software Feb 22 12:58:52 hehe Feb 22 12:58:53 and then it worked again Feb 22 12:58:58 ruskie, hah! and in the meantime you'll be stuck without a phone, nobody can contact you easily, you cannot contact anyone easily Feb 22 12:59:48 *shrugs* I bought N95-1 on a whim, it was when I somehow misplaced my Motorola V3 Feb 22 12:59:56 psycho_oreos, erm... I still have my original n5110, my next n5140, my mom's n3210 ;) Feb 22 13:00:14 and no I don't really care about a cell phone Feb 22 13:00:43 god I remember the V3 Feb 22 13:00:48 ruskie, I had none of those, a bricked phone would mean I would be basically unreachable until its fixed Feb 22 13:00:49 and its crappy proprietary OS Feb 22 13:00:50 and I still consider the n5110 as the best phone I had... Feb 22 13:01:00 psycho_oreos, I'm unreachable even if it's working 100% Feb 22 13:01:13 never owned a V3 though (thank god) Feb 22 13:01:23 never a fan of flip phones :P Feb 22 13:01:32 since it's set to silent 99% of the time Feb 22 13:01:47 I couldn't just simply not care about the cell phone :p at the time I was pretty distressed having lost a phone when I heavily depended on it (notably for things other than just a phone) Feb 22 13:02:08 jonwil, lol I never bought it, me old man gave it to me as a gift Feb 22 13:03:00 ruskie, well your usage of a cellphone is different from mine :) I heavily use my phones as my alarm clocks. If they went missing I'd get sacked :p Feb 22 13:03:07 and that's just one example Feb 22 13:03:36 luckily, N900 alarm works even if N900 is in silent mode Feb 22 13:03:53 i remember the time when my alarms would work even if the phone was *off*... ;( Feb 22 13:03:59 nokia dumbphones <3 Feb 22 13:04:04 sadly the alarm function is quite buggy, nevertheless its better than nothing Feb 22 13:04:50 my N95-1 sounded alarms as soon as I put it onto charging a few minutes or even an hour or two after when it was supposed to sound the alarm. Feb 22 13:04:56 my first GSM phone was 9000 Feb 22 13:05:03 and that was from a flat battery Feb 22 13:05:11 i was on DAMPS before that Feb 22 13:05:16 <-- 3210 Feb 22 13:05:27 and that was stolen Feb 22 13:05:34 actually, 9000i Feb 22 13:06:03 and all following were communicators as well except i tried once 7650+palm PDA combo and it was disgusting Feb 22 13:06:38 that was due to a big pause between 9210i and 9500 Feb 22 13:06:55 I really really like the communicator series. It was something that I drooled whenever I looked at the brochure as a kid. I even kept the brochure for awhile before throwing it away Feb 22 13:07:15 i could not wait anymore, as 9210 had no bluetooth and no gprs, and csd data transfer was quite expensive Feb 22 13:07:29 LjL, what dyou mean "remember" that time? all nokia phones do that Feb 22 13:08:16 psycho_oreos, hehe... I have the same problem with alarms... sadly I'm to used to everything now... and I actually require being phisicaly shaken awake... Feb 22 13:08:20 the most annoying problem with communicators since 9210 was that hardware was already outdated even at the first official announce day Feb 22 13:08:55 nid0: does n900 do it as well? Feb 22 13:08:59 yes Feb 22 13:09:02 ruskie, well at least I have multiple alarms going off sequentially.. currrently two phones set on 15 minute intervals x 5 times Feb 22 13:09:10 nid0: well i don't have a Nokia phone now Feb 22 13:09:51 psycho_oreos, n900... fcrontab: music playing, espeak voice droninng on about time regular phone alarm... Feb 22 13:10:02 and it doesn't really help Feb 22 13:11:21 ruskie, I don't have music playing :D I just have a really really bland sound (nokia default alarm sounds), they seem to work ok, alot better than playing some random music that I like Feb 22 13:11:43 psycho_oreos, well nothing really helps me... Feb 22 13:11:47 never, ever go out with an N900 that is not fully charged Feb 22 13:11:58 Venemo_N900, I do it 4 days a week ;) Feb 22 13:12:01 these days I mostly rely on a girlfriend who needs to go to work earlier than me as my alarm clock Feb 22 13:12:05 because it lasts for 4 days on a single charge!!! Feb 22 13:12:16 lol Feb 22 13:12:49 psycho_oreos, well my ears seem to go into some defensive mode... and I hardly hear stuff... Feb 22 13:12:55 ruskie, try what I have lol, two nokia phones with standard alarm tones, both of them going off at 15 minute intervals for 6 times before you're due to wake up. Place the older phone like about two metres away from your head and have the tones set to maximum :D Feb 22 13:13:38 I tried all that already ;) Feb 22 13:13:59 hi Feb 22 13:14:00 and I prefer a 5 minute interval... 15 minute means I'll just fall soundly asleep back Feb 22 13:14:02 is it that you just dont wake up atall, or that you turn the alarms off and fall back asleep? Feb 22 13:14:03 maybe decrease the intervals and increase the amount of sequential alarms lol Feb 22 13:15:15 I personally turn my alarms off. When I wake up, I can see there's the snooze button but the tired side gets the better of me by hitting the stop alarm button instead Feb 22 13:15:43 nid0, don't want to wake up Feb 22 13:15:54 i have a problem with my n900: i cant send any sms... it displays immediatly after i press "send" the message: "delivery for message xyz failed" (or something like that, its in german ;)) Feb 22 13:16:02 I used to have problems just shutting my alarms off without even waking up enough to know I was doing it or remember it after the fact Feb 22 13:16:15 ow I simply don't shut them off Feb 22 13:16:19 they keep dronning on Feb 22 13:16:20 so I ended up just using my pc as my final alarm, having it lock itself and start playing music Feb 22 13:16:22 and I just sleep through them Feb 22 13:16:37 I'm a heavy sleeper Feb 22 13:16:38 so would need to drag my ass to the otherside of the room, sit down, turn the screen on, unlock the machine, and stop the music Feb 22 13:16:48 tried that... Feb 22 13:16:58 other than waking everyone else... no luck Feb 22 13:17:03 ruskie, maybe you could do what some actor did in a movie. Have about 10-15 alarm clocks stretching from the bed side all the way to the window all on the same alarm time lol :D Feb 22 13:17:50 I simply am not a morning person... Feb 22 13:17:58 I'll naturally wake up a bit before 0900 or so... Feb 22 13:18:03 or that back to the future movie where the alarm triggers various gadgets to automate cooking breakfest and pouring a bucket of water onto your head :D Feb 22 13:18:23 but I prefer to start work at 0700 so I can be off at 1500 Feb 22 13:18:29 so need to get up at 0600-0630 Feb 22 13:18:41 anyone can help me? Feb 22 13:18:47 thats way early :< Feb 22 13:18:57 I enjoy getting up at 8:25 for an 8:30 start Feb 22 13:19:00 I have alarms going off at 0400, 0415, 0430, 0445, 0500, 0515 for 0600 starts :) Feb 22 13:19:19 and that's with two alarms going off simultaneously, well almost Feb 22 13:20:53 and I'm also not a morning person but work is not something that I look forward to everyday and so I'd prefer to have it done first thing in the morning so then I can have the rest of the day to myself Feb 22 13:21:05 yeah ;) Feb 22 13:21:44 cat's aren't much help at waking up as well... they tend to curl up and add more heat... so I'll just keep on snoozing... Feb 22 13:21:59 then you feed them too much Feb 22 13:22:06 imo, the standard nokia alarm tone 1 on n95-1 is way more creepy than nokia alarm tone 1 on n900. Especially with an old vibrator running.. BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! BZZZZZZT! Feb 22 13:22:11 can i reflash mit rootfs without formating the 2GB /home or the 27GB /home/user/MyDocs?!? Feb 22 13:22:14 lol Feb 22 13:22:32 skyscraper, that's what the fiasco image is supposed to do yes Feb 22 13:23:07 skyscraper, and no I don't know how to solve that issue with unable to send SMS, never seen that error message before.. it could be a reception issue, or some settings with SMS isn't right Feb 22 13:23:20 psycho_oreos: i cant send or receive sms anymore.. dont know why... but its strange.. in nitdroid i can RECEIVE sms but cant send, too Feb 22 13:23:56 could be a hdd issue Feb 22 13:23:58 check dmesg Feb 22 13:24:04 might be the fs got corrupted or something Feb 22 13:24:23 Does anyone know where I can get the source for this project? The git repository just contains an empty `welcome' file: https://garage.maemo.org/projects/seriesfinale/ Feb 22 13:24:53 what is cfg80211 ? its in dmesg Feb 22 13:25:30 wifi stuff Feb 22 13:25:32 cfg80211 is a thing to do with mac80211 framework, its for wireless Feb 22 13:25:54 ah ok... it changes from US and EU Feb 22 13:26:12 anything related to mmc ? Feb 22 13:26:27 hm and theres: "Driver 'sd' needs updating - please use bus_type methods" Feb 22 13:26:27 ? Feb 22 13:26:47 also might want to check the output of mount to see if everything is mounted properly(nothing as ro or read-only) Feb 22 13:26:56 that's to do with memory, not really important. I get that message as well Feb 22 13:27:23 hm.... i will be back later... end at school... (earlier as normal argh) Feb 22 13:27:57 dschoepe, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/seriesfinale/0.6.6-1/ Feb 22 13:28:28 psycho_oreos: ah, thanks Feb 22 13:28:31 its available in the repo, I suppose you can add the repo as normal into scratchbox with deb-src lines and then use apt-get source foo Feb 22 13:29:35 psycho_oreos: I found it on gitorious: http://gitorious.org/seriesfinale Feb 22 13:29:50 So much for reverse engineering the dialer, I have given up due to its complexity :P Feb 22 13:29:57 dschoepe, ahh well there you go :) Feb 22 13:30:27 jonwil, lol maybe you need to break up the bigger chunks into smaller bite size pieces :) Feb 22 13:30:32 or hopefully lol Feb 22 13:30:36 its not that simple Feb 22 13:30:53 yeah as I figured :| its one big ASM blob? Feb 22 13:31:01 yeah its one big binary blob Feb 22 13:31:42 if more people cared about my work (and pointed me at specific pieces of info they want), things wouldn't be so hard Feb 22 13:31:54 :P Feb 22 13:31:55 What disassembler did you use? IDA helped me a great deal when I had to dissect windows executables Feb 22 13:32:05 i'm back with my phone now Feb 22 13:32:08 IDA is not as good for ARM as it is for x86 Feb 22 13:32:20 i think ive found something fs related! Feb 22 13:32:22 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/02/22/wp7_omnia/ <-- pain... Feb 22 13:32:26 Not unless you have a couple grand and can afford the ARM deompiler Feb 22 13:32:30 decompiler Feb 22 13:32:37 [ 23.130340] EXT3-fs warning: mounting fs with errors, running e2fsck is recommended Feb 22 13:33:01 SkyscraperN900, might be a good idea to do that... Feb 22 13:33:20 ah Feb 22 13:34:15 i have the problem since 2 days... i took a photo and then phone shutdown because of battery... maybe it corrupted fs while writing the photo? Feb 22 13:35:04 possibly Feb 22 13:36:16 what command do i have to use to run e2fsck? it has many parameters Feb 22 13:36:56 usually just e2fsck /dev/whateverdevice Feb 22 13:37:05 but you might need to unmount it first Feb 22 13:37:28 hm which device should i check? Feb 22 13:37:39 can i umount /home ?!? Feb 22 13:38:17 and after reboot all devices are mounted back?! Feb 22 13:38:23 probably not a good idea, you could try Feb 22 13:38:32 well yes it should Feb 22 13:38:51 you could do the check from nitdroid Feb 22 13:39:11 * psycho_oreos wonders if tinkering /etc/fstab to make it automatically do that via pass or some other var work Feb 22 13:39:11 psycho_oreos i think that the sms database etc are in /home/user and not in MyDocs Feb 22 13:39:45 ruskie but my nitdroid is installed on /home so i cant Feb 22 13:40:17 psycho_oreos, fstab is sadly regenerated Feb 22 13:40:24 psycho_oreos, need to make a CSSU fix for that... Feb 22 13:40:46 SkyscraperN900, then again, lots of 3rd party apps as well as some system (maemo ones) are also placed inside /opt which is actually mounted back as /home/uopt Feb 22 13:40:52 s/uopt/opt/ Feb 22 13:40:52 psycho_oreos meant: SkyscraperN900, then again, lots of 3rd party apps as well as some system (maemo ones) are also placed inside /opt which is actually mounted back as /home/opt Feb 22 13:41:25 ruskie, I'd imagine an ugly hack might work >:D chattr +i (muhahahahahaha) Feb 22 13:41:35 err sudo chattr +i even Feb 22 13:42:08 psycho_oreos and whats the problem? /opt is the same device as /home or isnt it? Feb 22 13:42:42 /dev/mmcblk0p2 on /home type ext3 (rw,noatime,errors=continue,commit=1,data=writeback) Feb 22 13:42:43 SkyscraperN900, correct which is separate from rootfs iinm Feb 22 13:42:48 psycho_oreos, still no auto checking in the init... Feb 22 13:43:03 ruskie, even after making it immutable? o.O Feb 22 13:43:04 psycho_oreos so i CAN umount /home? Feb 22 13:43:13 psycho_oreos, the init is badly implemented Feb 22 13:43:18 I'm planing on working it in tho cssu... Feb 22 13:43:41 SkyscraperN900, probably not, you can umount other stuff that's mounted to /opt then umounting /opt but I wouldn't personally recommend it Feb 22 13:44:13 and how should i check the fs of /home then?!? Feb 22 13:44:19 SkyscraperN900, also seeing as how you have nitdroid, I'd do what ruskie said. I don't have nitdroid or any other bootable OS as an option Feb 22 13:44:39 ruskie, blah :| I thought setting it immutable would work Feb 22 13:44:45 psycho_oreos my nitdroid is installed in /home Feb 22 13:44:47 boot using an external sd card Feb 22 13:45:09 I really wish we had a good initramfs for this type of stuff... Feb 22 13:45:13 SkyscraperN900, lol well :/ Feb 22 13:45:36 hm. i think i should again install ubuntu 9,10 on my sd card Feb 22 13:46:05 or should i copy nitdroid from /home to sd and modify the multiboot file? Feb 22 13:46:38 I'd suggest using meego Feb 22 13:46:43 and the uboot solution Feb 22 13:46:54 not sure if multiboot can actually help here much... Feb 22 13:47:00 i have installed multiboot for nitdroid Feb 22 13:47:31 multiboot is a hack... uboot actually can boot other things... Feb 22 13:48:04 there was a big thread on tmo about how unsafe multiboot was Feb 22 13:48:41 but another: why i cant send sms in nitdroid too when its only a fs problem? Feb 22 13:48:51 someone eventually said that by the time the side effects gets to the owner, he/she would have done about 1,000,000 times or something Feb 22 13:49:49 I think the best idea is to get one problem fixed at a time rather than trying to speculate on all the possible solutions for the issues you encounter on other instances :) Feb 22 13:50:57 hm. i'll drive home now. then testing... Feb 22 13:51:04 will be back later! Feb 22 14:00:19 soo.. will "N950" have a keyboard, one wonders. As Rich Green names it the successor of N900, I have some hopes. Feb 22 14:12:30 lol, multiboot Feb 22 14:15:09 backupmenu comes with fsck of /home on the klick of one key Feb 22 14:15:51 ruskie: ^^^ Feb 22 14:38:56 http://www.linuxfordevices.com/c/a/News/Toshiba-AC100/ cortex a9 netbook under 300 euro Feb 22 14:45:26 hi Feb 22 14:45:29 im back Feb 22 14:45:36 * n900evil is on a bus. Feb 22 14:45:47 is it possible to write an sms via xterm or dbus or stl? Feb 22 14:46:19 I vaguely remember a dbus way being mentioned Feb 22 14:47:33 maybe helpful for my problem Feb 22 14:47:54 http://wiki.maemo.org/PyMaemo/Phone_call_and_SMS_examples Feb 22 14:48:04 do snakes count? Feb 22 14:48:18 SkyscraperN900: you *should* use backupmenu to fsck Feb 22 14:48:46 alas it's probably not installable when /opt is r/o Feb 22 14:48:54 DocScrutinizer wheres fsck at backupmenu Feb 22 14:49:14 err, "f"? Feb 22 14:50:11 docscrutinizer you mean the standard "backup" menu? Feb 22 14:50:25 no, I mean the app backupmenu Feb 22 14:50:27 n900evil the sms has to be an pdu? Feb 22 14:50:31 SkyscraperN900: no Feb 22 14:50:42 ah okay i dont have it @ docscrutinizer Feb 22 14:50:49 SkyscraperN900: no to the backup thing Feb 22 14:50:52 n900evil: you should reconsider your nick policy ;-D Feb 22 14:51:41 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Feb 22 14:52:00 backupmenu: Depends: bootmenu-n900 but it is not going to be installed Feb 22 14:52:05 OOOh! what's this on the seat next to me! Feb 22 14:52:27 is bootmenu-n900 working against multiboot? Feb 22 14:52:29 wtf? Feb 22 14:53:27 SpeedEvil: I didn't mean to even faster hop from XXXevil to XYZevil and back X-P Feb 22 14:53:28 docscrutinizer should i deinstall multiboot first? can i boot nitdroid 2.3 from bootmenu-n900? Feb 22 14:54:17 bootmenu and multiboot don't conflict afaik, nevertheless multiboot is an evil hack and strongly deprecated Feb 22 14:54:33 so i should deinstall it? Feb 22 14:54:44 pester nitdroid folks to *finally* adopt uBoot Feb 22 14:55:05 SkyscraperN900: no Feb 22 14:55:05 is bootmenu-n900 = uboot?! Feb 22 14:55:11 no Feb 22 14:55:14 This is my mobile device - my other nick is still logged, unless the DSL has fallen over again. Feb 22 14:55:14 LILO! Feb 22 14:55:29 SpeedEvil: I didn't mean to even faster hop from XXXevil to XYZevil and back X-P Feb 22 14:55:39 hm. so what should i do now? Feb 22 14:58:16 hm i'm installing backupmenu and bootmenu-n900 now Feb 22 14:58:44 to fsck /home? without prev precaution/preparation? boot into meego-rescueinitrd Feb 22 14:59:05 well, if that pans out, then fine Feb 22 14:59:13 (backupmenu) Feb 22 14:59:41 loool bootmenu-n900 forces deinstall of multiboot Feb 22 14:59:55 meh Feb 22 15:00:24 so now bootmenu-n900 and backupmemu are installed. should i restart now? Feb 22 15:00:43 fsck multiboot, forget nitdroid (until they finally bother to fix their sh*t) Feb 22 15:01:00 SkyscraperN900: boot with slider open Feb 22 15:01:06 ok Feb 22 15:01:18 will be back in a moment (hopefully) Feb 22 15:05:22 hum Feb 22 15:05:39 i started fsck and it aborts immediately: Feb 22 15:06:40 Errors may have been encountered: code:4 RX-51_2009SE_1.2: UNEXPECTED INCONSISTENCY; RUN fsck MANUALLY. (i.e., without -a or -p options) - Press any key to continue Feb 22 15:07:37 that's to bad. It means your partition is so thoroughly screwed not even fsck has any clue how to fix it Feb 22 15:07:48 MyDocs found and error first time, sd card nothing... - now MyDocs and sd card passing but OptFS fails Feb 22 15:07:56 -d Feb 22 15:08:22 reflash Feb 22 15:08:23 hum and now? Feb 22 15:08:41 full reflash Feb 22 15:08:49 is it possible to reflash only OptFS? without deleting mydocs? Feb 22 15:08:55 no Feb 22 15:09:13 so i have to save all the 27GB to my harddisk before flashing? Feb 22 15:09:18 yep Feb 22 15:09:21 -.- Feb 22 15:09:35 i think it will need some hours to copy via USB Feb 22 15:09:50 umm, 40min Feb 22 15:09:56 all 27GB? Feb 22 15:10:02 do you have a reflash-guide? Feb 22 15:10:19 well iirc I *wrote* 12G in some 16min Feb 22 15:10:25 ~flash Feb 22 15:10:26 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 22 15:10:49 hm... now maemo wont boot anymore i think... the 5 "loadingpoints" flashing but theres no UI Feb 22 15:10:54 (writing is supposed to be way slower than read) Feb 22 15:12:03 hm okay... should NOT boot from backupmenu to maemo.. doenst work.. Feb 22 15:12:10 fsck of /opt might have killed it finally (i.e. put the latent errors in fs to surface) Feb 22 15:12:29 no... hard reset and booting again fixed it Feb 22 15:12:31 you can not boot from backup menu to maemo Feb 22 15:12:42 oh yeah it says again: no sim card... dont know why Feb 22 15:12:51 i hope its caused of the fs failure Feb 22 15:12:52 there's not even a key/option for that Feb 22 15:13:00 lol now 3G Feb 22 15:13:42 Skyscraper: have you overclocked the device? Feb 22 15:14:06 DocScrutinizer, NO, NEVER! Feb 22 15:14:18 hmm, k Feb 22 15:14:40 okay i have had power kernel but overcloking disabled completely Feb 22 15:14:58 nota bene IF you had, we could hunt bugs for hours, without ever getting to root cause nor fixing it Feb 22 15:15:18 fair enough Feb 22 15:15:56 yes but i hate overclocking.... i never overclocked any device... no computer, no phone, nothing Feb 22 15:17:13 Skyscraper: so go reflash. We could try to find out what's wrong and try to find a way to fix it, but that will take longer than the 40min for saving, plus 40 min for restoring Feb 22 15:17:43 I'd go all in overclocking right now seeing as there's a snowballs chance in hell we'll be getting that N9 w/ meego on it ;) Feb 22 15:17:54 so faster device is not gunna happen Feb 22 15:18:05 DocScrutinizer, yes, copying is already running ;) Feb 22 15:18:59 no gunny happy? Feb 22 15:19:13 not going to happen Feb 22 15:20:06 (I'd love for someone to prove me wrong on that though) Feb 22 15:20:19 I suggest you go testing how deep you can drown the N900 in your toilet, as a waterproof device never gonna happen Feb 22 15:20:27 is there a option for "cp" that show status? Feb 22 15:20:39 no Feb 22 15:20:44 DocScrutinizer: :D Feb 22 15:20:51 there are some strace based hacks Feb 22 15:21:09 so i have to wait that my cp command finished? Feb 22 15:21:18 DocScrutinizer: so it _will_ be released? Feb 22 15:21:37 - /media/sda2/N900$ sudo cp -R /media/Nokia\ N900/* ./ <- running :D Feb 22 15:22:37 -v Feb 22 15:22:50 but that's just noise as well Feb 22 15:23:07 you could use dd ;-) Feb 22 15:23:16 but that won't do what you need Feb 22 15:23:22 ^ Feb 22 15:23:28 mc shows some progress bar afaik Feb 22 15:28:01 copies that comand the .* dirs too? Feb 22 15:28:13 mc? Feb 22 15:28:21 yes, usually it does Feb 22 15:28:33 mc is norton-commander clone Feb 22 15:28:35 no cp Feb 22 15:28:39 - /media/sda2/N900$ sudo cp -R /media/Nokia\ N900/* ./ <- running :D Feb 22 15:28:43 cp doesn't Feb 22 15:29:00 man cp Feb 22 15:29:01 even with -R? Feb 22 15:32:44 hum so i should abort copy Feb 22 15:32:51 By default, `cp' copies the contents of special files only when not copying recursively. This default can be overridden with the `--copy-contents' option. Feb 22 15:33:08 you should use -a rather than -R anyway Feb 22 15:33:43 mc wont work: Feb 22 15:33:43 mc Feb 22 15:33:43 TERM environment variable needs set. Feb 22 15:33:52 errrr Feb 22 15:33:56 WUT? Feb 22 15:34:46 hm now mc works ;) Feb 22 15:34:55 you're starting mc in a normal xterm on your PC? Feb 22 15:34:55 TERM=linux; export TERM Feb 22 15:35:03 yes... its an xubuntu Feb 22 15:35:09 get a decent distro! Feb 22 15:36:16 about buntkuh: http://xkcd.com/424/ Feb 22 15:37:08 hm... i like it Feb 22 15:37:46 how to say MC to copy whole /media/Nokia\ N900/ to /media/sda2/N900/ ? Feb 22 15:38:35 move to "/media/Nokia\ N900/", press F5, enter "/media/sda2/N900/" Feb 22 15:39:29 cant work on ".." Feb 22 15:39:49 (if you change to other panel and move to /media/sda2/N900/ there, then you'll not need to enter anything) Feb 22 15:41:10 The word "inform" means "to give shape within" Feb 22 15:41:10 should i select some points? Feb 22 15:42:00 make sure "save attr" is tagged Feb 22 15:42:13 follow links? Feb 22 15:42:38 no Feb 22 15:42:39 go to subdirs? Feb 22 15:42:43 no Feb 22 15:42:49 no?? Feb 22 15:43:01 it should copy ALL Feb 22 15:43:02 press F1 please Feb 22 15:43:54 heh. I've just re-watched this video. it still looks very nice :) http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Au_uRmoy8Fs Feb 22 15:44:01 so only mark save attrib Feb 22 15:45:44 copies now Feb 22 15:46:07 10MB/s Feb 22 15:46:44 pupnik: actually, it means "to give shape"; no idea what "within" does there. Feb 22 15:47:13 Skyscraper: \o/ Feb 22 15:47:30 dont know that smiley Feb 22 15:47:55 like hooray Feb 22 15:48:24 Venemo, thanks, nice promo. Never seen it before. Feb 22 15:48:47 divan: it's an ancient demo of Maemo 5 :) Feb 22 15:48:57 while lol is "hands up, freeze!" ;-D Feb 22 15:49:12 Yeah, I see the date of video )) Feb 22 15:49:13 actually this video was one of the things that attracted me to Maemo :) Feb 22 15:49:29 and /o\ is "duck and cover" Feb 22 15:52:37 DocScrutinizer, should i use the "Global" image for germany n900? Feb 22 15:52:46 yes Feb 22 15:53:06 flash vanilla eMMC image first though Feb 22 15:53:09 contains RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin the eMMC also? Feb 22 15:53:25 no Feb 22 15:53:38 what vanilla eMMC image should i download? Feb 22 15:53:46 you need most recent VANILLA Feb 22 15:54:01 Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 ? Feb 22 15:54:03 it's not same version like COMBINED Feb 22 15:54:07 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Feb 22 15:54:12 yep Feb 22 15:54:16 iirc Feb 22 15:54:19 vanilla and then combined? Feb 22 15:54:23 yes Feb 22 15:54:42 combined is the same as fiasco? Feb 22 15:54:44 see Feb 22 15:54:47 ~flash Feb 22 15:54:47 somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 22 15:54:51 yes Feb 22 15:56:11 >>(flashing the) FIASCO aka *COMBINED*, also referred to as "rootfs" though this file and flashing process also consists of...<< Feb 22 15:56:58 >>(flashing the) eMMC aka *VANILLA*, which will replace the complete content of N900's internal 32 GB storage (embedded MMC), which is: the /home parti...<< Feb 22 15:57:19 should i copy /home/user to MyDocs? Feb 22 15:57:27 good plan Feb 22 15:57:32 and /opt ? Feb 22 15:57:36 nah Feb 22 15:58:06 in /home/user are some configs and own apps ;) Feb 22 15:58:38 you'll need to install /opt freshly anyway, by reimnstalling your apps from hildon-backup-app restore Feb 22 15:59:12 RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_ICE_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Feb 22 15:59:24 so make another backup *now*, with backup app Feb 22 15:59:34 anyone got experience of missing incomingcallswhile connected to GPRS on the same ntwork? Feb 22 16:00:08 a *full* backup - i.e. enable all backup options, save backup to uSD card, not internal storage Feb 22 16:00:32 jpinx_away: no Feb 22 16:00:41 incoming SMS get throughand outgoing calls suspend the GPRS as expected. but incoming cazlls seem to get silently dropped Feb 22 16:00:52 uhm... anybody got any experience with sygic maps? apparently i'm too stoopid to install the DACH version Feb 22 16:01:12 jpinx_away: that's a problem of your carrier's config Feb 22 16:01:39 DocScrutinizer: I wondered if it might be that Feb 22 16:02:04 OMFG N950?!?!?! Feb 22 16:02:04 GSM/2G GPRS has a nonzero chance to drop inbound calls when transfering data, if network is poorly configured by your provider Feb 22 16:02:29 * jpinx_away calls Dtac Feb 22 16:02:44 pupnik, i downloaded another vanilla image? http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin Feb 22 16:03:11 Skyscraper: i made a joke Feb 22 16:03:12 jpinx_away: the N900's modem *can* handle concurrent data and call Feb 22 16:03:29 jpinx_away: buzzword class-A Feb 22 16:04:40 what happens when booting after flashing vanilla without flashing fiasco? theres a red message saying: never do that? Feb 22 16:05:20 was the n900 a financial loss for nokia? Feb 22 16:05:36 doubt it... Feb 22 16:06:02 were sales numbers released? Feb 22 16:06:41 pupnik: lack of other maemo-based devices was though. Feb 22 16:06:43 yay, Gaddafi at his best - LOL Feb 22 16:07:08 pupnik: unlikely... imho Nokia never releases sales information of a single device. Feb 22 16:07:48 florian: they did say 100K in first couple of weeks IIRC Feb 22 16:08:04 sure, global press and journalism wants to insult Libya people by reporting about civil war that's going on Feb 22 16:08:19 http://www.slashgear.com/nokia-n900-has-sold-well-in-excess-of-100000-handsets-gartner-figures-seriously-wrong-claims-source-2887458/ Feb 22 16:08:24 >100k in 5 weeks, ratehr Feb 22 16:08:52 and that's been too low, according to other sources Feb 22 16:09:43 Skyscraper: so don't do it :-) Feb 22 16:10:50 Skyscraper: (when you try to boot after flashing eMMC *first*, it simply will fail. If you're flashing COMBINED first and then boot, you have to start over again) Feb 22 16:11:45 DocScrutinizer, i WONT do it... i was interested what happens when anyone do it Feb 22 16:11:47 ~flashing Feb 22 16:11:47 rumour has it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 22 16:13:47 jeeeeez, watch that Gaddafi speech, it's incredible X-P Feb 22 16:14:19 does the battery have to be at 100%? Feb 22 16:16:03 DocScrutinizer51: fwiw it *is my carrir and they installed an SMS alert system for me Feb 22 16:16:03 OMFG !! a small group of drug addict Libyan youngsters attacked some military camps, exploiting the peace and liberty in Libya Feb 22 16:16:16 lol DocScrutinizer Feb 22 16:18:15 ty for link SpeedEvil Feb 22 16:19:12 darn gpsmon sees many satellites but for some reason doesn't give lat/lon Feb 22 16:21:01 DocScrutinizer, lol MC copies a big file named FSCK0000.REC ? Feb 22 16:21:06 ooohmy even with a braindead realtime-translator in TV, it's utterly clear this Muhamar guy is completely out of his mind Feb 22 16:21:56 Skyscraper: lost file, recovered by fsck Feb 22 16:22:10 but why its soooo big? Feb 22 16:22:30 nfc Feb 22 16:27:19 so any way to upgrade to PR1.3 w/o Windows? Feb 22 16:27:32 damn, I can't help imagining Muhamar al Gaddafi with a little mustache. and side parting, vaseline in hair Feb 22 16:29:26 you know what I mean Feb 22 16:29:34 ... Feb 22 16:30:41 Ljrn900: SSU, ~flashing Feb 22 16:30:49 ~flashing Feb 22 16:30:50 extra, extra, read all about it, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Feb 22 16:39:39 DocScrutinizer, now all copied from MyDocs to local-pc... but... when i try "du /media/Nokia\N900" against "du /media/sda2/N900/Nokia\ N900" the real n900 folder is bigger? Feb 22 16:40:17 oh yeah, Gaddafi threating his people with story of Tian'nan'men' square, and of Jelzin and Russian parliament - what a mad rabid dog Feb 22 16:40:19 28170496 ./Nokia N900/ <- real n900 - VS - 27856880 Nokia N900/ <- copied n900 Feb 22 16:42:38 you might want to do ls -R / >ls1.txt, ...ls2.txt, then diff ls1.tyt ls2.txt Feb 22 16:43:16 DocScrutinizer, ls -Ar? Feb 22 16:43:27 ah lr Feb 22 16:46:07 diff ls1.txt ls2.txt Feb 22 16:46:07 57c57 Feb 22 16:46:07 < ls1.txt Feb 22 16:46:07 --- Feb 22 16:46:08 > ls2.txt Feb 22 17:01:33 DocScrutinizer, can I obtain a PR1.3 firmware w/o agreeing not to reverse engineer it? Feb 22 17:01:53 Ljrn900: sure, i can send you one Feb 22 17:02:21 slonopotamus, the vanilla one? Feb 22 17:02:31 Ljrn900: nfc, ask nokia customer care? Feb 22 17:02:51 Greetings and salutations all Feb 22 17:03:00 Ljrn900: err... there's more than one pr1.3 firmware? Feb 22 17:03:08 (UK doesn't count) Feb 22 17:03:09 slonopotamus, nfc. Feb 22 17:03:27 Ljrn900: in Europe, for all I know it's not possible to rule out RE for private purposes Feb 22 17:03:47 RE? Feb 22 17:03:48 DocScrutinizer, I am US Feb 22 17:03:58 hey Ballmarman Feb 22 17:04:01 My n900 is crawling at turtle's pace...any suggestions? Feb 22 17:04:12 Ljrn900: relocate, your country's jurisdiction sucks Feb 22 17:04:21 jurisdiction? Feb 22 17:04:27 lol Feb 22 17:04:36 You mean it sucks because it's only allowed to serve justice to the people that live there? Feb 22 17:04:41 UK is worse overall Feb 22 17:04:45 judicative? Feb 22 17:04:50 DocScrutinizer, how to copy all in /home/user to MyDocs (without mydocs itself and WITH ".*" dirs) Feb 22 17:05:02 --exclude-dir? Feb 22 17:05:22 Skyscraper: -x Feb 22 17:05:25 Ljrn900, UK is hardly worse than US, but well. Feb 22 17:05:37 crashanddie, sorry it is Feb 22 17:05:40 or, not Feb 22 17:05:44 and with mc? seems so that mc is in maemo repo's too :D Feb 22 17:05:59 Why is skype video a colossal suck on the n900? Feb 22 17:06:03 Ljrn900, that's your argument? "sorry, it is"? Feb 22 17:06:17 Ballmarman, because Skype did a wankjob of it Feb 22 17:06:20 crashanddie, I don't make argument while i drive Feb 22 17:06:37 skype rapes CPU Feb 22 17:06:55 Ljrn900, how long do you have to go? Feb 22 17:07:32 Yes, yet another reason why just because you CAN doesn't mean you SHOULD Feb 22 17:08:27 well, from what I can tell, the Skype thingy is so shitty because the API teams kept saying the DEV teams did a sucky job of it, and vice versa Feb 22 17:08:34 when really, the API sucks tremendously Feb 22 17:08:39 Hope nokia gets serious about WP after the failed maemo experiment fiasco Feb 22 17:08:42 he said it again - obviously Benghasi got taken over by drug addicts that seized the military's weapons Feb 22 17:08:58 Ballmarman, nice trolling :) Feb 22 17:09:14 how can i find the height of a QScrollArea? (true height, not just the visible rect) Feb 22 17:09:16 WP fails Feb 22 17:09:49 I am just extremely pissed at n900, i want to throw it against the wall Feb 22 17:10:08 good for you Feb 22 17:10:43 i could not answer a simple phone call because of gibberish on the screen Feb 22 17:11:01 Get an iPhone Feb 22 17:11:33 it kills apps from memory when you get a phone call (or something "magical" that allows you to answer calls without issues) Feb 22 17:11:41 When using power-saving mode for wifi my download speed drops from ~700KB/s to about 30KB/s, does this mean my router doesn't support it properly or is that kind of drop to be expected? Feb 22 17:12:00 dschoepe: means it's broken Feb 22 17:12:02 MohammadAG, type /kick Ballmarman GOOOOOOOOOOAAAAAAAAAAAAAALLLLLLLLLLLLLL but don't hit enter until my command Feb 22 17:12:12 yeah? Feb 22 17:12:14 dschoepe: when there is traffic, it should turn off powersave mode Feb 22 17:12:18 Ballmarman: we're not interested in "I'm pissed" stories that result in "let's all get WP" Feb 22 17:12:20 crashanddie, do i have to? Feb 22 17:12:24 no Feb 22 17:12:34 aww Feb 22 17:12:37 yeah MC on N900 via SSH rocks Feb 22 17:12:45 DocScrutinizer, he's +q Feb 22 17:12:51 Ballmarman: if you want to switch to WP, you're free to do so, but please take your reports about why you do elsewhere then Feb 22 17:13:03 crashanddie: aaah, good Feb 22 17:13:16 and he left :) Feb 22 17:13:20 SpeedEvil: any idea about what could cause this? Feb 22 17:13:25 oh damn, not again this IP Feb 22 17:13:34 this IP? Feb 22 17:13:55 our beloved evergreen troll Feb 22 17:14:13 dschoepe: Incompatibilities in the powersave implementation between the n900 and your router. Some have had success by updating hte firmware on their router Feb 22 17:14:14 going for a fag Feb 22 17:14:16 later all Feb 22 17:14:33 SpeedEvil: okay thanks, I'll give it a try Feb 22 17:15:12 +q persist across parts/joins Feb 22 17:15:46 * WProcks (~Ballmarma@74.198.9.31) has joined #maemo Feb 22 17:16:49 you can stop cycling channels now Feb 22 17:17:52 /ban Ballmarma*@* Feb 22 17:18:18 DocScrutinizer, do it :P Feb 22 17:18:30 i should buy these n900s with the false picture and return an empty case to them Feb 22 17:18:58 ta Feb 22 17:19:02 yw Feb 22 17:21:22 that failed Feb 22 17:21:40 DocScrutinizer, mind opping me? Feb 22 17:22:10 [Bannliste: #maemo] *!*user@74.198.*.* :-S Feb 22 17:22:18 o_O Feb 22 17:22:42 that's why I said "oh no not THIS IP again" Feb 22 17:22:59 that's quite a broad range DocScrutinizer Feb 22 17:23:09 it's not my ban Feb 22 17:23:17 it failed anyway Feb 22 17:23:20 not mine either Feb 22 17:23:25 well, it failed due to user@ Feb 22 17:23:29 yep Feb 22 17:23:30 yeah Feb 22 17:23:41 lol fail ChanServ Feb 22 17:23:47 /cs deop #maemo MohammadAG = Feb 22 17:23:48 -ChanServ- You are not authorized to perform this operation. Feb 22 17:24:21 having fun? Feb 22 17:24:33 yeah, extremely Feb 22 17:24:36 no, I want a pony! Feb 22 17:24:53 and not even paying for that incredible performance of clown Gaddafi Feb 22 17:24:57 I wonder when he'll realize he can just renew his IP Feb 22 17:25:03 probably a long time Feb 22 17:26:06 I guess he's not even realizing how to change username Feb 22 17:26:24 I think he does Feb 22 17:27:06 crashanddie: yours? [Bannliste: #maemo] purgenote__*!*Alcohol_1@213.129.62.* Feb 22 17:27:14 nope Feb 22 17:27:24 it's from you Feb 22 17:27:26 merlin1991, nick =! username :p Feb 22 17:27:28 (doc) Feb 22 17:27:39 merlin1991: no, the purgenote is of me Feb 22 17:28:13 tbh, i think bans should stay for a month max Feb 22 17:28:14 or a week Feb 22 17:28:30 crashanddie: that's yours: ljsdofuynsdfufuh!*@* Feb 22 17:28:37 clean? Feb 22 17:29:01 MohammadAG: some should stay forever Feb 22 17:29:27 OMG bash4 in repos Feb 22 17:29:36 DUH!! Feb 22 17:29:47 with 'help'? :-D Feb 22 17:30:28 MohammadAG: seriously, some fool decided to disable help builtin in bash3 Feb 22 17:30:43 heh Feb 22 17:31:33 or maybe help got moved to external cmd and somebody missed to ship it with maemo pkg Feb 22 17:32:11 actually moving help to external cmd would make a lot of sense Feb 22 17:42:59 how to copy all in /home/user/ (including hidden dirs) to MyDocs without MyDocs itself... cp --exclude=MyDocs wont work Feb 22 17:44:10 Skyscraper: try same-filesystem Feb 22 17:44:28 Skyscraper, DocScrutinizer already told you to use -x Feb 22 17:44:30 or use rsync (same constraint) Feb 22 17:44:33 or tar Feb 22 17:44:39 Skyscraper, try with a trailing / Feb 22 17:44:56 uh yeah Feb 22 17:45:06 rsync is what i assumed Feb 22 17:46:38 cp: invalid option -- x Feb 22 17:46:50 Skyscraper, cp -aR --exclude=MyDocs /home/user /home/user/MyDocs Feb 22 17:47:00 there's even a gui for rsync Feb 22 17:47:10 there's even a manpage for cp! Feb 22 17:47:47 (g)cp Feb 22 17:47:54 cp: unrecognized option `--exclude=MyDocs' Feb 22 17:47:57 busybox cp is crap Feb 22 17:48:07 install coreutils-gnu Feb 22 17:48:13 ~messybox Feb 22 17:48:14 messy... err busybox is meant for lean scripting. Regarding all the missing options and immanent limitations (see su) it's not really the interactive shell of choice. A lot of people hate busybox because a lot of system integrators don't understand the difference between busybox and a decent user interactive shell plus unix utils Feb 22 17:50:28 Skyscraper, hax: touch /home/user/MyDocs/MyDocs; cp -aRn /home/user /home/user/MyDocs Feb 22 17:50:42 and rmdir /home/user/MyDocs/MyDocs Feb 22 17:50:55 mkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home Feb 22 17:51:50 "The more, the merrier is certainly true for Ziona Chana, a 66-year-old man in India's remote northeast who has 39 wives, 94 children and 33 grandchildren -- and wouldn't mind having more." Feb 22 17:52:05 err dunno, maybe fails cause of VFAT fs Feb 22 17:52:16 "His wives share a dormitory near Ziona's private bedroom and locals said he likes to have seven or eight of them by his side at all times." Feb 22 17:52:39 o_O Feb 22 17:52:45 only 33 grandchildren? what's up with those indians? Feb 22 17:53:12 anyway Feb 22 17:53:13 I'm out Feb 22 17:53:14 later all Feb 22 17:53:18 cya Feb 22 17:54:01 Skyscraper: you're aware MyDocs will get erased when flashing VANILLA Feb 22 17:54:11 cp: cannot preserve ownership of '': Operation not permitted Feb 22 17:54:30 DocScrutinizer, i know but i have to copy all of /home/user to mydocs to copy to pc Feb 22 17:54:34 Skyscraper: VFAT doesn't support posix perms Feb 22 17:55:42 IroN900:~# mkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home Feb 22 17:55:44 IroN900:~# ls ~user/MyDocs/fake-home Feb 22 17:55:45 lost+found opt user Feb 22 17:57:47 mkdir ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; mount --bind /home ~user/MyDocs/fake-home; tar -cvf /home/user/MyDocs/home.tar /home/user/MyDocs/fake-home/ Feb 22 17:58:11 and no, it won't do recursive dumps of MyDocs, as bindmount isn't including mounts Feb 22 17:58:46 it works i think^ Feb 22 17:58:50 i.e.: Feb 22 17:58:51 IroN900:~# ls -a ~user/MyDocs/fake-home/user/MyDocs/DCIM/ Feb 22 17:58:53 . .. Feb 22 17:59:13 Evveninng Feb 22 17:59:45 while IroN900:~# ls -a ~user/MyDocs/DCIM/ lists some 100s of files Feb 22 18:00:22 finished... Feb 22 18:00:26 -rw-r--r-- 1 user root 497.0M Feb 22 18:59 home.tar Feb 22 18:00:27 <- looks good Feb 22 18:00:36 yeah, best Feb 22 18:00:54 as my suggested bindmount won't help for mass storage copy Feb 22 18:01:04 omfg, m2351 for sale in local community Feb 22 18:01:05 afaik Feb 22 18:01:11 m2351a even Feb 22 18:01:22 wtf is that? Feb 22 18:01:41 so i would copy the home.tar and the new backup15 from MyDocs to pc and then charge battery to 100$% Feb 22 18:01:44 471Mb 10" disk dirve, circa 1981, extreme hitech for that time Feb 22 18:02:07 10" ??? Feb 22 18:02:11 hard disk Feb 22 18:02:12 :-o Feb 22 18:02:14 yep Feb 22 18:02:26 woooaaaa Feb 22 18:02:36 well, it is just 2" bigger than 8" floppy :-) Feb 22 18:02:50 yeah, I know those Feb 22 18:03:25 and I also know the mountable diskstacks we called "topf" here (pot) Feb 22 18:03:52 the drive was size of a fridge Feb 22 18:04:01 or washing maschine Feb 22 18:04:08 I have one still :) Feb 22 18:04:13 they had 10MB iirc Feb 22 18:04:27 from Digital vax Feb 22 18:04:27 having half a gigabyte on your dest was almost beyond imagination in that time, most "washing machine" size disk drives were 200Mb and there even was a lot of legacy 21Mb ones Feb 22 18:04:35 s/dest/desk/ Feb 22 18:04:35 Arkenoi meant: having half a gigabyte on your desk was almost beyond imagination in that time, most "washing machine" size disk drives were 200Mb and there even was a lot of legacy 21Mb ones Feb 22 18:05:11 so even 200Mb were considered cool and new Feb 22 18:09:35 yeah Feb 22 18:10:00 hello Feb 22 18:10:33 we had 6 disks with 50MB in our mainfraime Feb 22 18:11:29 hi EsEhAr Feb 22 18:15:48 http://www.tentacle.franken.de/m80/index.html Feb 22 18:26:39 >>hard disk platter drive PS 048-B (250 MB MFM/12 platters, 1200 kB/s, 2000 Watts)<< Feb 22 18:31:46 now all backed up :D Feb 22 18:32:38 is 53% bat power enough for flashing vanilla emmc and fiasco? Feb 22 18:32:43 no Feb 22 18:32:47 nope Feb 22 18:32:50 hm Feb 22 18:32:54 definitely you want to charge completely Feb 22 18:33:25 if you screw up and battery gets empty, you're deadlocked Feb 22 18:33:31 hm Feb 22 18:34:02 why? cant i reboot into flashing mode again? Feb 22 18:34:55 flashing will fail when bat is low Feb 22 18:34:59 Hello guys... quick question, there is no GCC at maemo repositories? Feb 22 18:35:10 bat will not charge when system doesn't boot Feb 22 18:35:22 system can't boot when flashing fails Feb 22 18:36:07 goto: start Feb 22 18:36:09 raph0x88, not on the default user repositories, but gcc is an integral part of maemo http://maemo.org/packages/view/gcc/ Feb 22 18:37:01 when in doubt about any package, use the packages interface here: http://maemo.org/packages/ Feb 22 18:37:43 gcc should live in tools repo I guess Feb 22 18:41:52 thx lcuk Feb 22 18:46:12 how to list the files contained in a package? like apt-cache listfiles foobar Feb 22 18:46:46 some apt-get cmd? Feb 22 18:47:16 Installed, local or remote package? Feb 22 18:47:21 dpkg -L package-name Feb 22 18:47:26 for installed ones Feb 22 18:47:39 And dpkg-deb -c for local files Feb 22 18:48:18 And if supported: apt-file list Feb 22 18:48:34 apt-file is a great tool Feb 22 18:51:17 what is apt-file? Feb 22 18:52:06 It's like dpkg -l and dpkg -S for repositories Feb 22 18:53:44 pls feel free to purchase my Urban Dictionary app from ovi store ;) Feb 22 19:14:11 thanks Feb 22 19:21:18 mhm, apt-get install apt-file :-) Feb 22 19:22:09 meh Feb 22 19:22:23 The following packages have unmet dependencies: Feb 22 19:22:25 apt-file: Depends: gzip (>= 1.2.4) Feb 22 19:22:26 Depends: libconfig-file-perl but it is not installable Feb 22 19:22:28 Depends: libapt-pkg-perl but it is not installable Feb 22 19:22:29 E: Broken packages Feb 22 19:47:41 is 86% enough for flashing? Feb 22 19:49:13 uh, N950 announced? or did I misunderstand a thread Feb 22 19:50:26 i preordered mine Feb 22 19:51:49 where? Feb 22 19:52:39 there is a link next to the unicorn Feb 22 19:54:10 uhm .. Feb 22 19:55:48 MohammadAG: first couple of minutes http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dl626dqZ6VM Feb 22 19:56:05 toggles, any specs in there? Feb 22 19:56:15 nope, just babble Feb 22 19:56:25 but he does say n950 the n900 successor Feb 22 19:56:47 a n900-like device would be very motivational Feb 22 19:56:50 does it run maemo and does it have a compass? :D Feb 22 19:57:03 what 4 compas Feb 22 19:57:18 better gps? Feb 22 19:58:32 orientation Feb 22 19:59:17 this makes 5 right.. so they complete Ari's 5 step plan Feb 22 19:59:29 well Feb 22 19:59:38 I'm actually impressed they didn't _FULLY_ fuck up Feb 22 20:00:00 yeah, they completed the 5 steps Feb 22 20:00:05 looking forward to it, whatever it is, it'll be better than Android or iOS (or WP7 /me shivers) Feb 22 20:01:00 Anssi's plan i guess.. Feb 22 20:01:49 it better have more RAM.. :) and a hardware keyboard Feb 22 20:07:29 wow, diablo has so many nice details. PC-connectivity-manager for example, unparalleled on fremantle Feb 22 20:09:25 DocScrutinizer-8, btw, the mediaplayer is 90% keyboard usable Feb 22 20:09:50 10% is the main menu, you can't see buttons highlighted but selecting them works Feb 22 20:09:54 connect to internet via [wlan, usb, phone]. Share internet to: ( )USB, ( )BT, ( )WLAN Feb 22 20:11:03 MohammadAG: sounds just nice, worth to give it a try (me fetches sunglasses to not hurt eyes with crippled cover art) Feb 22 20:14:52 cover art is barely noticeable DocScrutinizer-8 Feb 22 20:15:17 http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mediaplayer Feb 22 20:16:00 is there any iotop-like tool on Maemo? Feb 22 20:21:15 MohammadAG: what's that? Feb 22 20:22:00 the mediaplayer binary Feb 22 20:22:36 MohammadAG: clicking the link in xchat opens a requester "store file?" Feb 22 20:22:39 aaah Feb 22 20:23:30 (I know about the duplicate items bug, need to delete the items when switching views and can't figure out how) Feb 22 20:23:40 you'll only notice it if you switch to a view twice Feb 22 20:24:01 so let's see if that 'tmp' dir it offered to store the file to is really MyDocs/tmp and if I can start a binary from there Feb 22 20:27:51 Hm. I got a wild idea. Is it possible to use N900 as Bluetooth receiver for headphones? Feb 22 20:29:36 Zucca: input audio to the n900 and output it using some bluetooth headphone ? Feb 22 20:32:27 MohammadAG: ./mediaplayer: error while loading shared libraries: libgq-gconf.so.0: cannot open shared object file: No such file or directory Feb 22 20:34:29 meh Feb 22 20:35:06 uh, sec Feb 22 20:37:46 apt-get install libgq-gconf0 Feb 22 20:38:40 hmm Feb 22 20:38:48 doubts Feb 22 20:39:32 moot doubts :) Feb 22 20:39:57 E0x: Not what I meant... N900 as BT receiver and regular headphones plugged into N900. Feb 22 20:41:49 MohammadAG: quite nice, alas it seems it's not supporting searching in long lists Feb 22 20:42:42 oh noes! Feb 22 20:43:59 DocScrutinizer51, sadly I have to reimplement that, the Qt widgets don't provide it :/ Feb 22 20:44:13 (only the gtk hildon ones do) Feb 22 20:46:19 qt feels like a regression to me, in quite a number of aspects Feb 22 20:49:35 DocScrutinizer-8, check out scrolling in the video window, now do you think it's a regression? :P Feb 22 20:51:08 yes, definitely. Without checking any scrolling. You can't compensate missing water to drink by providing peanuts Feb 22 20:53:10 MohammadAG, vid Feb 22 20:53:10 link Feb 22 20:53:11 please Feb 22 20:53:32 lcuk, don't have one atm Feb 22 20:54:24 lcuk, not sure I can provide one even, thumbnails of people who don't want to be on youtube :p Feb 22 20:54:40 s/don't want to/prefer not to Feb 22 20:54:46 hell what's that? no idea how to find any video by looking at snapshots thumbnails Feb 22 20:56:02 so.. n900 fully loaded... 100% - now flashing vanilla emmc and then fiasco Feb 22 21:02:36 DocScrutinizer, why i have BackupMenu in my n900 after flashing vanilla and fiasco? Feb 22 21:03:01 thought it should be removed? Feb 22 21:04:02 indeed Feb 22 21:04:46 and why its not gone? Feb 22 21:05:02 vanilla flash quits with: Image(s) flashed successfully in 33.751 s (7583 kB/s)! Feb 22 21:05:09 fiasco flash quits with: USB device found found at bus 001, device address 012. Feb 22 21:05:10 Raw data transfer EP found at EP2. Feb 22 21:05:10 Using flashing protocol Mk II. Feb 22 21:05:31 did it actually flash or just exit? Feb 22 21:06:11 does anyone know how to get a QTextBrowser to look like a HildonTextView? Feb 22 21:06:11 ffs freenode fix your shit Feb 22 21:06:11 it doesn't work Feb 22 21:06:24 after that message it exited Feb 22 21:07:01 so again im flashing vanilla Feb 22 21:07:01 you need to power down and unplug device, start flasher, then plug in Feb 22 21:07:15 its writing Feb 22 21:07:32 ah ok in wiki : you can flash fiasco DIRECTLY after vanilla Feb 22 21:07:55 ow flash the FIASCO/rootfs image using the above commands with -R parameter. You can do this either directly after the previous flasher command finished, without unplugging or powering down the N900 - or, if you don't get proper message "Image(s) flashed successfully in 27.821 s (9199 kB/s)!" after flashing the rootfs finished, please refer to bullet "If you cannot establish a connection with N900..." in troubleshooting section belo Feb 22 21:07:55 w. Feb 22 21:08:11 malte_, try flashing fiasco then vanilla Feb 22 21:08:43 how to power down it after flashing vanilla? Feb 22 21:08:45 why the fuck should he? Feb 22 21:08:50 wont power down Feb 22 21:08:54 remove byt Feb 22 21:08:56 ok Feb 22 21:08:56 bat Feb 22 21:08:57 battery Feb 22 21:09:36 ah ok now hes flashing Feb 22 21:09:45 sending and flashing rootfs Feb 22 21:09:48 DocScrutinizer-8, we've had this discussion before, I don't plan on doing it again Feb 22 21:09:56 flashing vanilla then fiasco always fails Feb 22 21:10:07 no... have to remove bat between! Feb 22 21:10:38 yes, it always fails if you don't shut down device Feb 22 21:10:39 not when you do fiasco then eMMC Feb 22 21:10:42 at the moment its "programming CMT"? Feb 22 21:10:50 yes, don't remove the battery afterwards Feb 22 21:10:56 that's the modem btw Feb 22 21:11:04 just run the eMMC command after it's done Feb 22 21:11:06 Finishing flashing... done Feb 22 21:11:06 CMT flashed successfully Feb 22 21:11:09 and now? Feb 22 21:11:16 have you heard about n950 Feb 22 21:11:16 eMMC command Feb 22 21:11:25 yes, tmo's filled with posts about it jacekowski Feb 22 21:11:26 I've remove the -R command :/ Feb 22 21:11:33 don't use it Feb 22 21:11:40 don't use -R Feb 22 21:11:42 why? i flashed vanilla before? Feb 22 21:11:51 you flashed fiasco Feb 22 21:11:54 now do the vanilla Feb 22 21:12:01 why? ive done it before?! Feb 22 21:12:06 do it again Feb 22 21:12:16 DocScrutinizer, should i do that?!? Feb 22 21:12:21 lol Feb 22 21:12:25 * MohammadAG sighs Feb 22 21:12:31 is not a manual for flash Feb 22 21:12:35 why not follow it ? Feb 22 21:12:40 it work for me... Feb 22 21:12:45 cause the wiki needs to be rewritten Feb 22 21:12:59 dont know what to do ;/ Feb 22 21:13:06 ... Feb 22 21:13:13 flash the damn vanilla image again Feb 22 21:13:38 Latest Vanilla version of the eMMC content for Nokia N900 Feb 22 21:13:39 NOTE: Always flash the eMMC image first, then the FIASCO image immediately after that. Never boot up the device between flashing the FIASCO image and the eMMC image! When flashing eMMC always also flash FIASCO rootfs - NEVER boot the device between the two flashes. Feb 22 21:13:50 that's wrong Feb 22 21:13:55 what the F???? malte_ has successfully flashed eMMC already. Now he removes battery, and then flashes rootfs. No problem Feb 22 21:13:57 if you don't want to listen, fine Feb 22 21:14:03 MohammadAG: what do I need to do to a theme to make it the current? I recall some symlinking, but I don't remember the details Feb 22 21:14:21 umm Feb 22 21:14:27 mer did something like that Feb 22 21:14:39 RC_REFRESH I think Feb 22 21:14:41 * MohammadAG forgot :/ Feb 22 21:14:50 sec Feb 22 21:15:45 malte_: you're done, after [2011-02-22 22:10:25] CMT flashed successfully Feb 22 21:15:51 reboot device - profit Feb 22 21:16:10 I still think eMMC then fiasco is wrong Feb 22 21:16:13 and is wrong Feb 22 21:16:31 MohammadAG: if you don't reboot inbetween, then the sequence doesn't matter Feb 22 21:16:33 can n900 recieve rds? Feb 22 21:16:40 no Feb 22 21:16:41 Venemo: exactly\ Feb 22 21:16:42 yes jacekowski Feb 22 21:16:46 it does matter Feb 22 21:16:52 how Feb 22 21:16:53 You can't flash FIASCO after vanilla Feb 22 21:17:05 not sure, some radio apps support it Feb 22 21:17:10 RDS decoding doesn requires something extra hardware? Feb 22 21:17:12 ask javispedro when he's on Feb 22 21:17:15 do you have name Feb 22 21:17:22 N900 CAN receive RDS! Feb 22 21:17:23 Necc: not really Feb 22 21:17:24 cfmradio Feb 22 21:17:42 ah, rds... ok i was confused Feb 22 21:17:45 Venemo, flashing the eMMC puts the device in MkII mode Feb 22 21:17:48 whatever that means Feb 22 21:17:56 flashing the fiasco image is not supported in that mode Feb 22 21:18:00 swapped RDS with TMC Feb 22 21:18:05 so you HAVE TO reboot Feb 22 21:18:16 thank you very much DocScrutinizer - it WORKED Feb 22 21:18:19 unfortunately, every time I change that, DocScrutinizer changes it back, so I can't be arsed anymore Feb 22 21:19:19 MohammadAG: because you're stating that flashing vanilla first doesn't work. Evidently it just worked for malte_ Feb 22 21:19:30 Necc: rds == tmc Feb 22 21:19:33 Necc: it's same stuff Feb 22 21:19:42 DocScrutinizer, it works, but you have to reboot in between or pop out the battery Feb 22 21:19:56 which is adding extra confusion, as proved by malte_ Feb 22 21:20:02 DocScrutinizer, i only removed usb cable and then booted the phone... worked great :) Feb 22 21:20:03 I admit I wasn't clear enough about you *always* need to remove battery to power down device, after flashing vanilla first Feb 22 21:20:17 yes, that's an extra unnecessary step Feb 22 21:20:29 flash fiasco, then eMMC, and you're fine, no need to power down or remove the battery Feb 22 21:20:34 MohammadAG: reboot won't happen here, and isn't needed Feb 22 21:20:51 DocScrutinizer, it will if you're not quick enough or using windows Feb 22 21:20:59 yeah is my n900 fast :D Feb 22 21:21:13 RDS used to send informations about the radio station itself (name, played music, etc) while TMC is a special code witch carries traffic information and typically used by terrestial navigation systems Feb 22 21:21:13 MohammadAG: yes, that will work as well, but only if you NEVER EVER reboot Feb 22 21:21:22 Necc: yes Feb 22 21:21:24 Necc: and no Feb 22 21:21:28 oh YEAH Feb 22 21:21:32 while vanilla first is immune against false handling Feb 22 21:21:33 * malte_ is very very happy Feb 22 21:21:34 DocScrutinizer, windows can't enumerate quickly, some users will reboot accidentally Feb 22 21:21:38 sms works again :) Feb 22 21:21:42 Necc: tmc is working on top of rds Feb 22 21:21:50 Necc: instead of sending letters it's sending numbers Feb 22 21:21:54 javispedro: hi Feb 22 21:21:59 javispedro: cfmradio Feb 22 21:22:04 javispedro: how do i get rds to work on t Feb 22 21:22:06 it* Feb 22 21:22:07 javispedro, can n900 recieve rds? Feb 22 21:22:13 MohammadAG: that doesn't matter, when flashing vanilla first Feb 22 21:22:18 oh and afternoon Feb 22 21:22:23 jacekowski: _receive_? which field? Feb 22 21:22:27 that'S the point you still miss to get Feb 22 21:22:31 yeaaaah... i'm so happy... Feb 22 21:22:39 javispedro: any Feb 22 21:22:40 I'm not missing anything Feb 22 21:22:43 whatever, i'm brainlocked now (tired), night Feb 22 21:22:47 javispedro: ideally i would like to recieve tmc Feb 22 21:22:49 thx the.. infos Feb 22 21:22:53 but i can deal with that later Feb 22 21:22:59 jacekowski: afaik, the stock driver isn't enough for tmc Feb 22 21:23:13 anyway, back to some other stuff Feb 22 21:23:14 jacekowski: but there's a modified module around Feb 22 21:23:17 i just want to know if there is rds transmitted at the moment Feb 22 21:24:45 jacekowski: you can read partially decodified pi, ps and rt at /sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022/rds_* Feb 22 21:25:25 pi=3.141592654... Feb 22 21:25:25 that's how all current N900 programs read ps Feb 22 21:26:17 pi = program identification ;) Feb 22 21:26:36 hmm Feb 22 21:26:36 ok Feb 22 21:26:44 i have r3 rds Feb 22 21:27:00 Nokia-N900:/sys/class/i2c-adapter/i2c-3/3-0022# cat rds_data Feb 22 21:27:00 2c a4 cd 34 33 20 c c2 f 10 e0 ff 24 0 57 30 c9 11 4 c2 3 14 0 fc 20 e6 2c 3c e0 43 0 c2 3 14 20 f6 2c f4 65 38 20 61 8 c7 2 18 e6 fc 28 3 e5 34 c9 11 4 c2 3 14 60 c9 20 1c 30 3c 73 c3 8 c3 81 1c f8 f7 4c f9 81 38 44 db 4 e9 b6 18 33 e8 24 5c 8e 3c b1 4b 4 26 d 18 33 80 2c 1b b7 3c aa 3c c 38 3e 18 a 9f 4c fa 12 38 49 1c 8 11 9a 1c 7 fc 2c 23 f1 3c 99 35 Feb 22 21:27:00 s/decodified/decoded :P Feb 22 21:27:11 and i suppose that's raw data Feb 22 21:27:16 with everything Feb 22 21:27:56 MohammadAG: there are two perfectly working methods: A) flash eMMC, remove battery, (boot or do whatever you like, won't matter) flash rootfs, ->done. B) flash rootfs &&flash eMMC, in one commandline, without any interrupting or fuzzing around with "oops wrong file" "oops, timeout" "ooops need to download that other image first" Feb 22 21:29:23 odds are users end up with accidentally booting device between first and second flash, in method B) Feb 22 21:29:57 DocScrutinizer, version A) is easier Feb 22 21:29:58 MohammadAG: with method A) there's no way to fail, but of course it's a bit more effort aka more steps to do Feb 22 21:30:54 but you should edit wiki ... you HAVE TO remove batt between vanilla and fiasco Feb 22 21:31:07 yes, I agree on thet Feb 22 21:31:09 that Feb 22 21:31:31 point 10 on flashing emmc Feb 22 21:31:41 http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 Feb 22 21:31:47 wiki should mention both methods, clearly and with all required mandatory steps, and risks Feb 22 21:32:21 thats the best way.. so both of you are happy ;) Feb 22 21:33:00 MohammadAG: I admit I wasn't aware of that bug in NOLO that borks direct flashing of rootfs after eMMC, when I started that crusade Feb 22 21:33:46 you don't have to remove battery Feb 22 21:34:00 you can just flash everything Feb 22 21:34:05 you can't Feb 22 21:34:06 as long as you don't restart Feb 22 21:34:10 jacekowski, that WONT work Feb 22 21:34:21 eMMC flashing makes the flasher set MkII mode Feb 22 21:34:25 jacekowski, tested it just 10 minutes ago ;) Feb 22 21:34:25 (whatever that means) Feb 22 21:34:29 moin Feb 22 21:34:46 hmmm Feb 22 21:34:46 malte_: of course both methods are similarly valid and working. It's just about optimizing. A) (my method) is optimized for minimum risk, B) (moh's) is optimal for convenience and speed Feb 22 21:34:47 Is it normal that decompressing an easydebian-image takes over an hour and that lzma doesn't even show up under "Top CPU%" in conky or did it die somewhere along the way? Feb 22 21:34:56 dschoepe: yes Feb 22 21:35:07 dschoepe: it takes about 2h Feb 22 21:35:08 DocScrutinizer, i want minimum risk^ Feb 22 21:35:16 jacekowski: okay, I'll be patient then Feb 22 21:35:16 dschoepe: it's i/o bound Feb 22 21:35:18 nox-, moin Feb 22 21:35:37 dschoepe, ive done it overnight ,) Feb 22 21:35:39 moin malte_ Feb 22 21:35:43 malte_: you're welcome to edit wiki, so both MohammadAG and me are happy :-D Feb 22 21:35:55 nox-, german?!? Feb 22 21:35:56 :) Feb 22 21:36:12 malte_, indeed :) Feb 22 21:36:19 DocScrutinizer, i think i dont have the best english ;) Feb 22 21:36:23 * dschoepe really enjoys his new n900 especially when compared to the ocean of disappointments that is android Feb 22 21:36:33 maybe i'll try DocScrutinizer Feb 22 21:38:59 dschoepe: fuck yeah Feb 22 21:39:06 nox-, me too... i think "moin" is german ;) Feb 22 21:39:14 woa, portrait Feb 22 21:39:14 nice :P Feb 22 21:39:14 lo Feb 22 21:39:20 dschoepe: you might profit from setting swappiness to 30 Feb 22 21:39:33 malte_, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Moin Feb 22 21:39:34 :) Feb 22 21:40:05 jacekowski: maybe you know if it's suffering from swap congestion Feb 22 21:40:37 yeaaah its from Bremen, too :) Feb 22 21:40:42 moinmoin is platduetsch I'd say Feb 22 21:40:51 or Northern slang Feb 22 21:40:51 jacekowski: yes, that is the raw _device_ data. I am not sure if it is raw enough for tmc to happen. Feb 22 21:41:09 DocScrutinizer, northern slang fits better Feb 22 21:41:11 jacekowski: it is obviously enough for text, etc. Feb 22 21:43:22 DocScrutinizer, plattdeutsch is a very "own" dialect ;) Feb 22 21:44:07 Running N900 Maemo 5 .. I dont seem to have a battery status on my status bar, anyone know why? Feb 22 21:44:11 recently flashed Feb 22 21:44:31 errrm Feb 22 21:44:45 MohammadAG should know Feb 22 21:44:47 kerio: Let's just hope this community survives the elopocalypse, but I'm confident from what I've seen so far Feb 22 21:44:52 everything else is perfectl, except the icon just not there Feb 22 21:45:23 dschoepe: this community gives a shit about Mr Flop Feb 22 21:45:38 hmm, that's weird Feb 22 21:45:53 if you tap the status menu do you get a battery area? Feb 22 21:45:54 it's a pity though we can't expect any new maemo devices from Nokia anytime soon Feb 22 21:46:12 Must say , Maemo 5 is a big improvement over 4 :) Feb 22 21:46:25 not always Feb 22 21:46:39 some details in m5 are regressions from m4 Feb 22 21:46:45 I guess Mer is gone now eh? Feb 22 21:46:53 Havent been here in about a year and a half.. Feb 22 21:46:53 mer is dead Feb 22 21:47:11 got ridof my N800 year or two ago, just recently got the N900 Feb 22 21:47:15 stskeeps went on to meego Feb 22 21:47:22 nice Feb 22 21:47:29 stskeeps still around? Feb 22 21:47:31 * MohammadAG wants mer back :/ Feb 22 21:47:36 yeah, #meego Feb 22 21:47:43 hows that gentoo doing? :) Feb 22 21:47:46 zakkkm: sure, in #meego-arm Feb 22 21:47:54 hmm Feb 22 21:47:57 what's #meego-arm? Feb 22 21:48:17 MohammadAG: the new hildon-desktop is great btw Feb 22 21:48:25 the N900 adaption taskforce of meego Feb 22 21:48:26 javispedro: do you have links to that modified driver that can do tmc Feb 22 21:48:35 thank thp, his patches are awesome Feb 22 21:48:56 yeah, a moment. Feb 22 21:49:13 jacekowski: http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-November/027861.html Feb 22 21:49:16 the CSSU should've been out with PR1.0 tbh :p Feb 22 21:49:26 it really exposes the potential of the community Feb 22 21:49:27 thp: thx too Feb 22 21:49:56 holy sh!t Feb 22 21:50:04 hmm, nice split Feb 22 21:50:07 welcome to freenode Feb 22 21:50:15 good 'ol freenode Feb 22 21:50:21 where netsplits are very common, we stopped holy shit-ting Feb 22 21:50:37 it's sad Feb 22 21:50:45 netsplits are so 90s Feb 22 21:50:46 stupid kids Feb 22 21:50:51 (i guess) Feb 22 21:51:12 [2011-02-22 22:08:11] [Notice] -Martinp23- [Global Notice] Hi everyone! Just a bit of re-routing there which will hopefully reduce lag in parts of the network and make the layout a bit more sane. Sorry for the noise! Join #freenode with any questions. Feb 22 21:51:13 ahh now i have the old batterybar again... think i should reinstall Advanced Power Feb 22 21:51:13 DocScrutinizer, is it possible to perform an fsck sometimes on bootup? Feb 22 21:51:25 oh ok not even kids Feb 22 21:51:33 kernel-power allows you to fsck on boot up, though it ruined my /home once Feb 22 21:51:40 whats the standard phone lock code? Feb 22 21:51:57 12345 Feb 22 21:52:17 Hi sorry, n900 turned off Feb 22 21:52:17 is meego worth trying? Feb 22 21:52:18 errr how does PK do this? Feb 22 21:52:22 hi there Feb 22 21:52:25 some config file Feb 22 21:52:27 * MohammadAG checks Feb 22 21:52:28 MohammadAG, have had kernel power before...maybe it distroyed my /home? Feb 22 21:52:51 you guys know why i have no battery icon? Feb 22 21:53:00 is it possible to use community ssu with powerkernel? i guess so but i want confirm Feb 22 21:53:07 # fsck of /home partition before mounting? Feb 22 21:53:07 # 0=never, 1=if necessary, force=always check Feb 22 21:53:07 FSCK_HOME=0 Feb 22 21:53:07 oh yeah... how does the phone do that? all reflashed but phonelock is the old one Feb 22 21:53:12 /etc/default/kernel-boot Feb 22 21:53:19 also allows early ssh, whatever that means Feb 22 21:53:24 malte_: the easiest method I know of is backupmenu pkg Feb 22 21:53:35 a child of botmenu Feb 22 21:53:39 bootmenu even Feb 22 21:54:09 malte_: phonelock is stored in CAL partition, that never gets reflashed Feb 22 21:54:11 anyone? Feb 22 21:54:24 /dev/mtd1 Feb 22 21:54:29 DocScrutinizer, what other things are stored in CAL? Feb 22 21:54:32 ThreeM, yes, kernel isn't touched by the CSSU Feb 22 21:54:37 IMEI Feb 22 21:54:40 a lot of cruft Feb 22 21:54:49 bme stuff Feb 22 21:54:53 what DocScrutinizer said Feb 22 21:54:54 MAC Feb 22 21:55:03 thermal profile Feb 22 21:55:07 IMEI? Feb 22 21:55:07 a history of all reflashes Feb 22 21:55:11 bootcmdline Feb 22 21:55:12 yes, think so Feb 22 21:55:14 The modem reads it? Feb 22 21:55:18 hmm, CMDLINE? Feb 22 21:55:24 that's in the kernel partition Feb 22 21:55:36 maybe Feb 22 21:55:39 and maybe information about using custom kernels, OS' or stl.? Feb 22 21:55:40 sure of it :p Feb 22 21:55:45 yes Feb 22 21:55:50 all reflashes are logged Feb 22 21:56:01 :-P Feb 22 21:56:06 is it not possible to remove that? Feb 22 21:56:16 not advisable Feb 22 21:56:17 you might end up with a brick Feb 22 21:56:25 a permanent one, not the fixable "bricks" Feb 22 21:56:55 so when you only one time flash your n900 with another firmware -> warranty void... (because they can see it even if you reflash) Feb 22 21:57:06 not really Feb 22 21:57:07 warranty isn't void with reflashes Feb 22 21:57:28 cant they see which kernel you flashed? Feb 22 21:57:31 however, if you fried the CPU, they can check if you have, for example, install kernel-power Feb 22 21:57:39 custom kernels don't void warranty Feb 22 21:57:42 overclocking does Feb 22 21:57:46 I've run kernel power with no overclocking. Feb 22 21:57:55 big thx :) Feb 22 21:57:55 but power-kernel without overclocking ? Feb 22 21:58:05 SpeedEvil: you won't fry your CPU ;-) Feb 22 21:58:22 no worries there Feb 22 21:58:24 malte_: ...is safe Feb 22 21:58:30 thats good :) Feb 22 21:58:45 you guys overclock? Feb 22 21:58:48 I wonder if the N950 will do the same Feb 22 21:59:06 (signed kernels not required) Feb 22 21:59:08 some fools do - and very few experts that exactly know what they do Feb 22 21:59:26 like abill_uk Feb 22 21:59:39 yeah, he always knows what he's doing Feb 22 21:59:58 and *saying* Feb 22 22:00:03 community ssu simple to install? Feb 22 22:00:22 very Feb 22 22:00:41 but does it blend? Feb 22 22:00:44 err Feb 22 22:00:52 does it have a detaled changelog? Feb 22 22:02:02 brief but comprehensive Feb 22 22:02:37 there might be "bugs" I don't want to get fixed Feb 22 22:02:44 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog Feb 22 22:03:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU#Installation still up to date? Feb 22 22:03:47 yes Feb 22 22:04:11 \o/ Feb 22 22:04:29 "This will then automatically run through a series of scripts to ensure HAM will now be using community repository for updates." where are those scripts located? Feb 22 22:04:51 /usr/bin/install-community-ssu Feb 22 22:05:06 basically, what the icon runs Feb 22 22:05:11 it just checks if apt-worker is running Feb 22 22:05:14 ... phone internet acting oddly Feb 22 22:05:33 tethering fine .. but internet on phone seems dead Feb 22 22:05:33 ah Feb 22 22:05:44 basically, the script installs a dumb package, udpates package lists, then launches HAM in update mode Feb 22 22:05:52 phone seems to taking alot of RAM and such, was looking to try and decrease it Feb 22 22:05:53 too much swapping Feb 22 22:06:02 how to setup hidden wlan with n900? Feb 22 22:06:23 Status menu -> internet connection -> Hidden WLAN Feb 22 22:06:31 its not listed Feb 22 22:06:59 yeah now Feb 22 22:07:03 have to wait some time Feb 22 22:08:36 is n900 comatible with radius server? Feb 22 22:10:57 malte_: hidden SSID is strongly deprecated Feb 22 22:11:05 DocScrutinizer, why Feb 22 22:11:37 has security/privacy issues (yes!), plus may cause battery hog on N900 Feb 22 22:11:58 hidden SSID prevents kiddies from "hacking" Feb 22 22:12:16 bottom line: N900 has to ask all APs with hidden SSID "are you 'foo'?" "are you 'bar'?" Feb 22 22:12:18 does not afaik Feb 22 22:12:39 DocScrutinizer, heres only one hidden AP Feb 22 22:12:52 doesn't matter Feb 22 22:13:02 hm Feb 22 22:13:04 it's nonsense, and deprecated Feb 22 22:13:19 hm.. but wpa2 is not soooo save? :/ Feb 22 22:13:33 eh? Feb 22 22:13:43 wpa2 is just as safe as it gets, for now Feb 22 22:14:22 with good pc with good graphic card and an "idiot"-key - better an "standard" ssid you can hack it Feb 22 22:14:45 no Feb 22 22:14:45 malte_: Not effectively Feb 22 22:14:45 afaik, wpa2 is still perfectly safe/not broken Feb 22 22:15:02 dict attack is always possible Feb 22 22:15:10 get decent passphrase! Feb 22 22:15:13 :-P Feb 22 22:15:18 dschoepe, hm... i7 quad core with CUDA graphic card... is very fast Feb 22 22:15:40 anyway not even hidden SSID will help against dict attack Feb 22 22:15:50 au contraire Feb 22 22:16:02 if someone is going to crack wpa2 to get to your wlan, a "hidden" ssid is not going to stop them. Probably more just an invite to do it when they see you're trying to hide something :) Feb 22 22:16:24 hm Feb 22 22:16:45 can i use n900 with radius server? Feb 22 22:16:57 plus your device it shouting out loud all the APs you ever associated to, which had hidden SSID X-P Feb 22 22:17:21 incl their "hidden" SSIDs Feb 22 22:17:39 DocScrutinizer, i think that all devices do that? when you monitor wlan with airmon you see the client probes for a,b,c,d,.... Feb 22 22:17:40 s/ all / *all* / Feb 22 22:18:26 all you people are foolish.. just make a set of like 100 fake AP with the same name as yours :P , they wouldnt ever try it :P Feb 22 22:18:32 sure, that's inevitable with hidden SSID, that'S why it's strongly deprecated. It has security/privacy issues Feb 22 22:18:39 didn't I mention that? Feb 22 22:19:21 DocScrutinizer, but all devices are probing the NOT hidden ssids, too?! Feb 22 22:19:38 they dont need to be probed when they are broadcasted by the ap Feb 22 22:19:40 no, usually not Feb 22 22:20:01 hm... but when i monitor i see clients probing APs that are visible Feb 22 22:20:12 why should a device ask "are you foo?" when the AP clearly says it's 'bar' Feb 22 22:20:18 its a windows "bug" i think Feb 22 22:20:38 so... do you know the "karma attack"? Feb 22 22:20:46 afaik. the ssid is only really hidden when nothing is connected to the ap, if something is connected then you can see the ssid from the packets. So it works, but only if you dont use your wlan :P Feb 22 22:20:59 Kegetys: exactly Feb 22 22:21:17 as the clients talk to hidden AP with clear name, uncrypted Feb 22 22:21:17 Kegetys, yes but when i'm away for weeks i can be sure no one uses my wlan Feb 22 22:21:50 DocScrutinizer, thats a problem... should be optimized... should ask crypted for aps Feb 22 22:21:55 bottom line: *forget* hidden SSID, it's nonsense, and dangerous Feb 22 22:22:13 malte_: that's nonsense Feb 22 22:22:26 how would you crypt an initial ping? Feb 22 22:23:12 DocScrutinizer, do you know the "karma attack"? Feb 22 22:23:39 hidden SSID has ZERO bebefit and quite some downsides / risks, so *forget* it Feb 22 22:23:47 no Feb 22 22:23:52 DocScrutinizer, i think it would be possible... Feb 22 22:24:15 benefit* Feb 22 22:24:18 DocScrutinizer, karma attack uses the windows "bug" to ask for APs... Feb 22 22:25:05 malte_: I use hidden SSID to invite my neighbours to associate to my AP :-P Feb 22 22:25:33 thank you very much for all the data Feb 22 22:26:22 creates an virtual ap with the ssid the (unconnected) windows client asks for... - so that the windows client connects to the virtual ap... and then you can hack the windows client directly... without beeing in an normal network Feb 22 22:26:55 that's exactly why hidden ESSID is bad :-D Feb 22 22:27:20 How good is nitdroid? Feb 22 22:27:21 S/ E// Feb 22 22:27:27 But this would works only for unencrypted AP right ? Feb 22 22:27:39 DocScrutinizer, windows probes ALWAYS for some ap Feb 22 22:27:55 so what, I'm not interested in windows Feb 22 22:28:18 and I got no AP with hidden SSID Feb 22 22:28:50 Megaltariak, the attack creates an unencrypted AP so that the windows client connects to it without asking the windows user for a key... so you create connection with it... and the user doesnt see it in most cases Feb 22 22:30:55 Why this would works with hidden ap and not with visible ones ? Feb 22 22:31:34 it works with every windows client... hum... dont know if it works too with windows 7 Feb 22 22:32:56 So if windows see an ap with no encryption and known essid, it would connect to it even if a key is saved for this essid ? Feb 22 22:35:10 hm... dont know it sure... google for the "karma attack"... i have only seen it demonstrated by an IT security specialist... - he works for big concerns to hack them :D Feb 22 22:35:48 I love the fake real certificates attack. Feb 22 22:35:55 malte_, what about ssid with a series of \0 chars, i guess thats also some exploit? Feb 22 22:35:58 There are ~200 certificates trusted by most browsers. Feb 22 22:36:09 These include - for example - the latvian government. Feb 22 22:36:13 MohammadAG: mediaplayer doesn't play songs Feb 22 22:36:25 doesn't know name Feb 22 22:36:29 umm, it should Feb 22 22:36:37 The latvian government can therefore generate a certificate for paypal.com that will be completely trusted by all browsers. Feb 22 22:36:43 Even outside latvia. Feb 22 22:36:49 (country picked at random) Feb 22 22:38:16 MohammadAG: atrist, click one artist, unknow song, unknown length, no playback Feb 22 22:38:30 artist view is not done yet Feb 22 22:38:30 SpeedEvil, yeah ssl isnt really `secure'... Feb 22 22:38:39 use album view or song view Feb 22 22:38:52 meh Feb 22 22:39:07 feel free to help, mafw is not that easy to work with :P Feb 22 22:39:14 I got some 1000 albums Feb 22 22:39:21 and no search Feb 22 22:39:42 technically, pressing the key on the keyboard should scroll to it Feb 22 22:39:42 unusable Feb 22 22:39:54 it doesn't Feb 22 22:40:02 it does here... Feb 22 22:40:24 you told me qt doesn't support it, ( ago Feb 22 22:40:32 1h Feb 22 22:40:38 doesn't support search Feb 22 22:40:42 i.e a search box Feb 22 22:40:47 but clicking a button scrolls to that letter Feb 22 22:42:08 pff I shall know exact name of album? then pick from 100 with same starting letter? Feb 22 22:42:33 sorry, nice but not yet usable Feb 22 22:43:10 (yes it does jump, in album view) Feb 22 22:46:16 its late... have to go to sleep now... @ SpeedEvil : sounds interesting Feb 22 22:47:14 MohammadAG: playlist doesn't show when clicking cover art in player Feb 22 22:47:43 DocScrutinizer51, duh, no MafwPlaylist Feb 22 22:48:13 good night Feb 22 22:48:28 going back to prev window is missing the bottom right button to go to player Feb 22 22:49:15 it shows up in root window, but tehn of course my selected album is unset Feb 22 22:49:22 malte_: night Feb 22 22:49:31 malte_: search defcon on youtube. Feb 22 22:49:42 I especially liked the one about remote jackpotting cash machines. Feb 22 22:49:47 cover art is actually nice Feb 22 22:49:57 no distrotions :-D Feb 22 22:56:31 MohammadAG: and ctrl-BS brings me a menu, rather than taslswitcher :-D Feb 22 22:58:06 yeah, need to change that to shift Feb 22 22:58:14 it's actually just ctrl Feb 22 22:58:30 DocScrutinizer, click the backspace button alone Feb 22 22:59:05 err to do what? Feb 22 23:00:08 it closes the window Feb 22 23:00:24 basically, it's a clone of the <- button in the top corner Feb 22 23:00:30 I'm trying to make it keyboard friendly Feb 22 23:06:00 any idea on how may i "disable" Alt+Sym dialog for a certain control (or maybe the whole app)? Feb 22 23:06:27 (using Qt btw) Feb 22 23:12:41 MohammadAG: I want ctrl-bs taskswitcher, not 'alt-F4' close window Feb 22 23:13:00 heh, I need to change ctrl to shift Feb 22 23:13:09 sorry, got too much stuff on my hands Feb 22 23:13:14 see about -> build date Feb 22 23:13:14 bs for close-window is fine, but... Feb 22 23:13:43 oh, so I got you wrong Feb 22 23:14:09 I wanted to open the top menu with a key Feb 22 23:14:20 so I used ctrl, overlooked the fact it can be used for CTRL-BS Feb 22 23:14:46 got it Feb 22 23:15:22 I want keyboard scrolling list widgets in hildon Feb 22 23:15:29 should be easy with libhildon1 edited Feb 22 23:16:23 Why isn't portrait mode screen keyboard in community SSU? Feb 22 23:17:18 cause it can be installed via devel Feb 22 23:17:19 because there's none yet Feb 22 23:17:22 ? Feb 22 23:17:24 there is one Feb 22 23:17:42 forcing rotation also forces the keyboard to portrait Feb 22 23:17:56 meh Feb 22 23:18:08 couldn't bother less Feb 22 23:18:58 MohammadAG, the one included with forced rotation daemon? I'd like it to be separated, because rotation daemon is causing some applications to crash Feb 22 23:19:07 portrait kbd is a PITA Feb 22 23:19:20 Arkenoi, uh, no, the patch in the CSSU Feb 22 23:19:30 it forces a portrait flag on all windows if you enable it Feb 22 23:19:55 does the HW keyboard rotate, too? Feb 22 23:19:55 by thp http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=gtD926wNcYs Feb 22 23:20:03 no, your hands rotate Feb 22 23:20:18 we got any concept how to stop portrait mode autoswitching? Feb 22 23:20:36 yes Feb 22 23:20:39 concept - yes Feb 22 23:20:44 implementation, not yet Feb 22 23:20:56 basically, status menu + patched hildon-desktop + gconf Feb 22 23:20:59 we need a per-app config option Feb 22 23:21:26 if it's in the status menu, it's easily accessible :P Feb 22 23:21:50 one app might be nice in portrait, while another one crashes Feb 22 23:21:58 yeah, whitelist Feb 22 23:22:03 yes Feb 22 23:22:32 thp, suggested we make one for stock apps that are closed, the rest are all rotated depending on a portrait flag Feb 22 23:22:38 so I see we actually have a concept ;-D Feb 22 23:22:38 (the ones that are open) Feb 22 23:22:46 I thought you meant orientation lock Feb 22 23:23:12 like when you're in bed, and you're on the N900, if you're on the right side, it can rotate to portrait while you want it in landscape Feb 22 23:23:21 sure we need a master switch to override Feb 22 23:23:32 3 positions Feb 22 23:23:40 portrait ls auto Feb 22 23:24:09 yeah Feb 22 23:24:16 0 1 2 in gconf Feb 22 23:24:29 0 = default (auto), 1 = ls, 2 = portrait Feb 22 23:24:34 it's an interesting question which one overrides the other, of whitelist and masterswitch Feb 22 23:24:39 handled by a status bar applet like the 3G applet Feb 22 23:24:50 master switch overrides all Feb 22 23:25:26 each app needs ask-portr ask-ls auto force-ls force-portr Feb 22 23:30:51 I dont believe I say this, but probably gconf is the right thing to keep the per-app settings Feb 22 23:30:59 so no whitelist Feb 22 23:31:14 well, it's only for closed apps Feb 22 23:31:18 open apps should use the flag Feb 22 23:31:49 but you can edit gconf to hold any of those 5 states via gconftool for the apps that donn't have a menu for it Feb 22 23:32:41 the 'flag' is just that those apps know to gconf Feb 22 23:33:18 don't introduce to segregate concepts for the same thing Feb 22 23:33:28 two* Feb 22 23:42:40 omg DocScrutinizer-8 must be the evil twin of DocScrutinizer, seeing he just recommended use of gconf Feb 22 23:43:39 no, DocScrutinizer-8 is the 8-bit version of DocScrutinizer Feb 22 23:44:37 OSI layer 8 Feb 22 23:45:31 any guess-estimates at the download size of the latest windows service pack? Feb 22 23:45:44 400MBs Feb 22 23:45:50 (it is obviously surprising, that's why I'm quoting it =) ) Feb 22 23:46:18 lol Feb 22 23:46:33 around 2.5 GiBs Feb 22 23:46:59 damn I was about to suggest 4.8 Feb 22 23:47:18 aka 'one single layer DVD' Feb 22 23:47:37 that would be more than the win setup dvd itself Feb 22 23:48:04 so what? sounds about reasonable Feb 22 23:49:01 they not only need the new versions, but also the cleansers for the old crap's crap Feb 22 23:49:44 well that's like, two and a half tons of crap Feb 22 23:50:07 and probably a complete old original version to compare and detect pirated stuff Feb 22 23:50:48 so obviously it has to be at least 2 times the size of original Feb 22 23:55:02 javispedro: I'd not suggest gconfd if it weren't running anyway Feb 23 01:16:19 anybody visiting embedded world Nuernberg Mar 1-3 ? Feb 23 01:16:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=utNKHAFmrjs oh this was so funny Feb 23 01:16:49 I don't even know what Nuernberg is Feb 23 01:17:05 lol Feb 23 01:18:39 ~weather EDDN Feb 23 01:18:42 Nuernberg, Germany; (EDDN) 49-30N 011-03E 318M; last updated: 2011.02.23 0050 UTC; Dew Point: 10 F (-12 C); Pressure (altimeter): 30.18 in. Hg (1022 hPa); Relative Humidity: 85%; Temperature: 14 F (-10 C); Visibility: 5 mile(s); Wind: from the NE (040 degrees) at 5 MPH (4 KT); Windchill: 6 F (-14 C) Feb 23 01:19:14 I see, are you in Germany? Feb 23 01:19:37 sometimes Feb 23 01:21:30 * EvertonGomes is away "comer" Log: on Pager: off Feb 23 01:23:06 EvertonGomes: disable that notice! Feb 23 01:26:12 maybe the question should be "what is embedded world?" Feb 23 01:31:08 well, not interesting for consumers, it's highly EE focused - new chips, new modules, new technologies Feb 23 01:31:19 I see Feb 23 01:35:15 www.ask-embedded-world.de Feb 23 01:37:35 well it's not like I can read that :) Feb 23 01:38:59 except the link 'English->' upper right on the page? Feb 23 01:39:50 heh :) Feb 23 01:41:02 my brother would love to go to something like that Feb 23 01:41:38 not long ago he was third in the WIZnet iMCU Design Contest Feb 23 01:42:17 that's from Circuit Cellar Feb 23 01:42:33 I'm not really into electronics Feb 23 02:40:52 I really wish the maemo browser was properly threaded Feb 23 02:40:56 so frustrating at times Feb 23 02:56:20 n900 is smp? Feb 23 02:59:37 nope, but that shouldn't cause me to not be able to scroll a browser page if there's another browser page doing something. It gets so bad as to just blank out the page. Feb 23 02:59:55 ah **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed Feb 23 02:59:56 2011