**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Mar 02 02:59:57 2011 Mar 02 03:00:19 in case you wonder: kinda like that one http://www.google.de/imgres?imgurl=http://mystify.umuumu.com/mystify_modeling/modelcar/BENZ/500sec-1.jpg&imgrefurl=http://mystify.umuumu.com/mystify_modeling/modelcar/BENZ/500sec.htm&usg=__4tPk63QGTbaynr9EBeTq48HTdgM=&h=375&w=500&sz=39&hl=de&start=6&zoom=1&tbnid=6m1W-AihuGUNUM:&tbnh=98&tbnw=130&ei=arJtTY2wMMPtOb3KoYQD&prev=/images?q=500sec&hl=de&gbv=1&tbs=isch:1&itbs=1 Mar 02 03:00:31 OMFG what an URL Mar 02 03:04:34 DocScrutinizer: ah, fun indeed. Mar 02 03:08:33 bah, GERMAN? :P Mar 02 03:09:11 more like that one: http://carphotos.cardomain.com/ride_images/3/2854/1081/32133040003_large.jpg Mar 02 03:21:22 plus there's the taxes for the large engine Mar 02 03:21:55 its a bit of luxury for the price one has to pay to enjoy :p Mar 02 03:22:01 i.e. creature comforts Mar 02 03:22:31 pupnik: taxes? For a large engine? Mar 02 03:22:31 i wouldn't mind the cost of materials, it's the artificially high 'sin tax' that is placed on such devices Mar 02 03:22:36 What is this, California? :P Mar 02 03:22:39 germany Mar 02 03:32:43 germany is on par with CA in that regard Mar 02 03:34:26 and regarding gasoline price we are probably top of the world :-/ Mar 02 03:37:09 pupnik: the engine is really nice though. Using an electric compressor you could boost it to almost 1000HP on throwing a switch :-D Mar 02 03:38:19 that would send me into a ditch quickly Mar 02 03:38:39 hehe Mar 02 03:39:11 remember the e21 bmw 323i? that was a nice balance of weight and power Mar 02 03:39:20 after that they got too heavy for me Mar 02 03:39:29 anyway gnite Mar 02 03:39:56 yeah, I just wondered if I'd also break that wire from tachometer to engine control with same switch. Otherwise it's limited to 250km/h Mar 02 03:40:20 It's too bad Mercedes has gotten all nasty. Mar 02 03:40:28 yeah Mar 02 03:40:38 night pupnik Mar 02 03:41:12 anyway nowadays I'd want a tesla, if anything Mar 02 03:41:20 Gross Mar 02 03:41:22 Tesla's shit. Mar 02 03:41:26 Overweight junk. Mar 02 03:41:38 ?? Mar 02 03:42:04 Those batteries really mess up the handling. Mar 02 03:42:16 oh, might be, yes Mar 02 03:43:06 shitty batteries. I really hope they come up with something better eventually Mar 02 03:43:33 like 10 times the power/kg Mar 02 03:43:44 energy to be precise Mar 02 03:43:56 my dream car http://img74.imageshack.us/i/vyssutefrir3.jpg/sr=1 Mar 02 03:44:13 Not that I have any plans to buy a car (that one or otherwise) or get a license anytime soon :P Mar 02 03:44:45 Why would I when there is a great public transport system in my city :P Mar 02 03:44:52 looks weird. Is that a pickup? Mar 02 03:45:01 its a UTE Mar 02 03:45:07 which is an Aussie invention Mar 02 03:45:10 thats a bit like a pickup truck Mar 02 03:45:20 GM|Holden Commodore VY utility Mar 02 03:45:49 I specifically like the metalic green color Mar 02 03:45:55 its the rough equivalent of what the states once had Chevrolet el caminos or Ford rancheros Mar 02 03:46:12 pachero :-P Mar 02 03:47:00 there's been fapmans before our fapman Mar 02 03:47:11 this http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58045 btw is an example of the fine buses our city has : Mar 02 03:47:13 :) Mar 02 03:47:40 powered by gas Mar 02 03:48:16 meh, you bought those in my town :-P Mar 02 03:48:35 the chassis for those buses comes from Mercedes Benz buses in germany Mar 02 03:48:42 ours are red, and have more gas on the roof Mar 02 03:48:43 the body is built locally by a local bodybuilder Mar 02 03:48:56 The bus in the pictures is diesel powered Mar 02 03:49:12 Although we have a bunch of similar looking CNG powered buses as well Mar 02 03:49:21 oh, so that's the air condition then? Mar 02 03:49:24 yes Mar 02 03:49:36 busses like those here (Qld, AU fyi :p) runs on gas, older ones are diesel powered Mar 02 03:49:57 same here Mar 02 03:51:11 http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=57589 Mar 02 03:51:14 Thats the gas version Mar 02 03:52:22 http://i870.photobucket.com/albums/ab264/Mullet111/12-5-10/BrisbaneBus7-1.jpg <--- Brisbane, Qld, AU Mar 02 03:52:33 again, CNG powered Mar 02 03:53:06 our next batch of buses (after the current order with Mercedes is fulfulled) is going to be a batch of Diesel powered Volvos Mar 02 03:54:41 you only have one type of bus and its all Merc branded? Mar 02 03:54:46 http://www.nahverkehr-franken.de/bus/img/nuernberg/nbg_500.jpg Mar 02 03:58:23 http://www.busaustralia.com/forum/viewtopic.php?f=46&t=58099 Mar 02 03:58:26 Thats some of our older buses Mar 02 03:58:40 Transperth has a history of buying buses from Mercedes Benz Mar 02 03:59:36 lol buses. Mar 02 03:59:40 Real men drive cars. Mar 02 04:00:19 I used to ride the bus alot till I got me own ute :p Mar 02 04:00:26 well bus and trains Mar 02 04:01:08 Why would I need a car when I can get anywhere I want to go on the bus :P Mar 02 04:01:25 or train Mar 02 04:01:28 jonwil, interesting, ours here is a mix of Mercedes-Benz, MAN, Volvo, Volgreen, Scania, etc Mar 02 04:01:33 Because buses take away your liberty as an individual. :) Mar 02 04:01:46 it boils down to one thing, freedom and ultimate mobility Mar 02 04:01:52 ours are a mix of Mercedes Benz and Renault mostly Mar 02 04:02:04 mine bus is a potato Mar 02 04:02:28 we also have one IVECO bus, some MAN buses, and one Scania bus Mar 02 04:02:47 the IVECO and SCANIA and one of the MAN buses were bought as demonstrators to test new articulated bus deisgns Mar 02 04:02:50 designs Mar 02 04:04:21 lol I have seen lots more other mixed brands. The ones I mentioned was just for Brisbane CBD itself, it has a few other towns which has their own logos, etc Mar 02 04:04:38 :) Mar 02 04:04:52 I have been to Brisbane and experienced Brisbane buses and trains Mar 02 04:04:58 including the ones on the gold coast Mar 02 04:05:00 and they are good Mar 02 04:05:20 bleh they are ok for me Mar 02 04:05:53 the only criticism is that the fare structure is impossible to understand and that it was hard for me to provide the right information on my current location to the information line Mar 02 04:05:59 when I was trying to find out how to get somewhere Mar 02 04:06:09 Here in Perth, all the bus stops have unique numbers Mar 02 04:06:23 that the information operators can use to identify where you are Mar 02 04:06:30 and give you guidance as to the right service to take Mar 02 04:07:34 here its going by zones, the more zones you cover the more expensive it is (of course), each zone is a radius of x amount of km from the CBD. Then you have `Go' cards which makes the tickets a little cheaper as one just needs to swipe on and off rather than having plastic/paper based solution Mar 02 04:07:51 Its like that in Perth too Mar 02 04:07:55 we have zones and cards Mar 02 04:08:16 In Perth when you buy a ticket for one zone, you can go anywhere in that one zone for 2 hours Mar 02 04:08:27 on as many services as you like Mar 02 04:08:50 I think what confused me in Brisbane was the idea of inbound tickers and outbound tickets Mar 02 04:08:53 or whatever it was Mar 02 04:09:58 GeneralAntilles: real men don't use cars either - real liberty as an individual looks like http://www.unicopter.com/1728_Backpack.gif Mar 02 04:10:00 that could be for the old scheme. They go by zones these days unless you get on the great circle line which goes right around the city but not going into the city or out of the city. Those go by sectors Mar 02 04:10:43 yeah it was a few years ago I was using it Mar 02 04:12:36 lol a personal helicopter will not only be costly but I'm sure the boys in the blue will keep their eye out on you if you use that regularly Mar 02 04:13:01 plus driving is a lot more fun :p you want faster, you mash the pedal Mar 02 04:14:11 I bet that one is cheaper than my car was when bought new (not me) Mar 02 04:17:32 one needs to also consider the use of such transport like that. Sure the novelty is indeed very nice however what does your potential employer think of you when you wonder around smelling like as if you were doing some lawn mowing? unless of course your job description perfectly matches the need to use machinery and to have BO smelling like petrol Mar 02 04:22:01 THAT'S for *real* men ;-D http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=_AXuy2-YoQY Mar 02 04:23:12 easy way to burn money quickly too Mar 02 04:24:39 real rich men fyi have chauffeurs to do all the driving, flying :P Mar 02 04:50:51 :-o http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lOW35gXhWic Mar 02 04:51:33 who was the one ho wanted to port Maemo5 into other phones? Mar 02 04:51:57 eh? Mar 02 04:52:36 ha, i've been approved to be maintainer on maemo extras Mar 02 04:52:54 now i need to finish my widget =) Mar 02 04:53:04 I think there were several, but nobody who understands what it takes and still considered actually doing it Mar 02 06:07:33 Hey guys, has anyone gotten direct rendering working/HW accel under Easy Debian? Mar 02 07:20:16 <_0x47> Hi, anyone could tell me how exactly SBOX_REDIRECT_IGNORE works? I am trying to ignore the redirect of a custom libtool binary... I have the redirect logs enabled and got the full path of the binary from there, but it's still redirected... Mar 02 07:23:29 <_0x47> Anyone here? Mar 02 07:24:12 nope :( Mar 02 07:24:25 <_0x47> Lol Mar 02 07:24:37 <_0x47> Too early I guess... Mar 02 07:25:57 or too late Mar 02 07:26:49 <_0x47> Not Mar 02 07:27:34 <_0x47> ~rape DocScrutinizer51 Mar 02 07:27:35 * infobot takes DocScrutinizer51 behind the WallMart and makes a few grunts and screams Mar 02 07:28:33 <_0x47> K my battery is going down, g2g Mar 02 07:28:43 <_0x47> Exit Mar 02 07:40:30 gi Mar 02 07:48:13 is QML interpreted or compiled? Mar 02 08:15:37 moin Mar 02 08:45:21 MohammadAG, compiled afaik Mar 02 08:46:27 MohammadAG, no wait.. Mar 02 08:46:39 MohammadAG, hm well. Interpreted Mar 02 08:57:24 MohammadAG, if you need some qml work done, I can help out a little every now and then. Mar 02 08:59:33 Did someone say qml!? Mar 02 09:02:25 alterego, :) hey what are you working on these days? Mar 02 09:03:22 Currently, doing a contract to get some money. :) Mar 02 09:03:49 Once that's done, I'll go back to Columbus, my spare time I'm working on Qml port of the meego dialer. Mar 02 09:12:13 * RST38h yawns Mar 02 09:18:02 maybe hell will freeze over and bug 11953 will be resolved :P Mar 02 09:18:03 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/11953 Open rtcom-call-ui Mar 02 09:21:06 mece, I'm still not sure about it :) Mar 02 09:23:06 MohammadAG, javascript isn't compiled afaik Mar 02 09:26:15 bwaaha! Negative parallax is bonkers! Mar 02 10:15:48 Having problems with callbacks :/ Mar 02 10:16:33 http://pastebin.com/eD0a4Luj Mar 02 10:17:21 Mar 02 10:18:08 Mohammad: get_items_cb never gets called? =) Mar 02 10:18:20 no, the binary segfaults :P Mar 02 10:18:32 MafwPlaylistAdapter::getItems Mar 02 10:18:33 Segmentation fault Mar 02 10:18:46 Ah...probably not the callback then Mar 02 10:20:25 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html#mafw-playlist-get-items-md looks fine to me Mar 02 10:20:57 this->mafw_playlist may have incorrect data Mar 02 10:21:10 the rest of the arguments look kosher to me Mar 02 10:21:38 it was null :) Mar 02 10:23:04 if it were null, the function would never get called, right? Mar 02 10:23:16 that's what should happen Mar 02 10:38:29 alterego, ever used casts? Mar 02 10:40:24 emit static_cast(user_data)->onGetItems(QString::fromUtf8(object_id), metadata, index) is causing a segfault for some reason :/ Mar 02 10:43:44 hey MohammadAG Mar 02 10:44:02 MohammadAG: what do you want exactly? there are more than one casting operators in C++ Mar 02 10:45:53 I want to emit a signal from a callback Mar 02 10:46:19 emit mySignal() Mar 02 10:46:29 how does casting come into the picture Mar 02 10:46:44 /home/mohammad/mediaplayer-build-maemo/../mediaplayer/mafwplaylistadapter.cpp:105: error: cannot call member function 'void MafwPlaylistAdapter::onGetItems(QString, GHashTable*, guint)' without object Mar 02 10:53:06 MohammadAG: pastebin the code Mar 02 10:53:11 MohammadAG: and tell me which line is it Mar 02 10:54:20 Venemo, http://pastebin.com/UGQYu5S1 Mar 02 10:55:48 MohammadAG, is onGetItems declared as a signal in MafwPlaylistAdapter's header file? Mar 02 10:56:02 What the. I rebooted only to find out the backupmenu screen is gone, but instead gets bootmenu screen? How come? Mar 02 10:56:20 Venemo, yes, but the callback is a static void Mar 02 10:56:22 I reinstalled backupmenu but I still get the same screen? Why? Mar 02 10:58:02 MohammadAG: I need to see more of the code Mar 02 10:58:21 MohammadAG: where is the callback in this paste? also, where do you set up the callback? Mar 02 10:58:45 it's in the paste, second function Mar 02 10:58:49 http://pastebin.com/vBrLX5zz .h file Mar 02 10:59:00 get_items_cb Mar 02 10:59:02 cb = callback Mar 02 10:59:16 MohammadAG: well, get_items_cb is a static method Mar 02 10:59:36 MohammadAG: you can only call the method of an instance if you actually have an instance Mar 02 11:00:14 MohammadAG: where is the place where you set up the callback? Mar 02 11:00:45 MohammadAG: is it line 5 in your first paste? Mar 02 11:01:57 yeah Mar 02 11:03:52 MohammadAG: try this http://pastebin.com/kZU03g6p Mar 02 11:04:46 MohammadAG: note that I passed the this pointer to mafw_playlist_get_items_md's "additional data" parameter Mar 02 11:05:02 MohammadAG: then I get that data from the user_data parameter of your callback Mar 02 11:06:16 Venemo, still segfaults Mar 02 11:06:31 oh Mar 02 11:09:14 X-Fade, ping Mar 02 11:10:41 MohammadAG: my laptop has frozen once again Mar 02 11:11:19 MohammadAG: does it work? Mar 02 11:11:23 Place it in a medium oven, till golden brown and unfrozen in the middle. Mar 02 11:11:42 Stick a skewer through, and check it's not still frozen inside, and is piping hot. Mar 02 11:11:44 thanks SpeedEvil :) Mar 02 11:12:16 SpeedEvil: I knew I can count on you Mar 02 11:14:21 Venemo_N900, yep :) Mar 02 11:14:25 SpeedEvil: if you have any better advice than the oven, please see http://superuser.com/questions/249840/how-can-i-stop-this-weird-crash-that-i-experience-on-my-laptop-randomly Mar 02 11:14:43 MohammadAG: great :) Mar 02 11:14:54 Venemo: It's out of warranty? Mar 02 11:15:10 SpeedEvil: I took the machine to warranty repair, but the service was unable to reproduce the issue at all, thus they didn't fix it either Mar 02 11:15:19 Ah. Mar 02 11:15:54 Can you ping it? Mar 02 11:16:08 SpeedEvil: when frozen? I never tried, but I doubt it Mar 02 11:17:04 Venemo: The sugestions I'd make would be along the lines od the others in the thread alas - replace motherboard, ... Mar 02 11:17:18 In principle, given full schematics, and lots and lots of clue, you can diagnose it. Mar 02 11:17:25 SpeedEvil: I have no spare parts for the laptop, so I can't Mar 02 11:17:26 But... Mar 02 11:17:49 SpeedEvil: I think that would be the task of the repair centre (as they have the resources to do it), but they didn't Mar 02 11:21:06 SpeedEvil: someone recommended me to just find two sympathic contact on the motherboard, give them a voltage of my liking, and when it's done, take it to repair saying "this time it not only crashed, but wouldn't start again" Mar 02 11:21:40 MohammadAG: I'm glad I could help :) Mar 02 11:21:56 Venemo, thanks :) Mar 02 11:22:06 Venemo, it seems it was because I was passing NULL instead of this as a pointer Mar 02 11:22:18 MohammadAG: exactly Mar 02 11:22:34 MohammadAG: as I told you :) Mar 02 11:23:03 yep Mar 02 11:23:24 Venemo: If the repairer has sufficient clue, that can be found out. Mar 02 11:23:44 SpeedEvil: yeah, that's why I haven't done this Mar 02 11:35:47 What bluetooth keyboards do you recommend for N900? Mar 02 11:35:57 X-Fade, regarding latest version of libliqbase, it dd not get imported into fremantle -devel although it ended up in diablo (so anyone with n810 can try :P) are there specific reasons for it not being imported? Mar 02 11:37:18 muhaha Mar 02 11:37:25 MafwPlaylist implemented, sort of Mar 02 11:37:28 fennec beta does not play html5 video from youtube on n900? what is it good for, then? Mar 02 11:37:43 Arkenoi: nothing Mar 02 11:38:45 Arkenoi: it's really good at being slow Mar 02 11:38:48 if you're into that Mar 02 11:38:59 kerio ++ Mar 02 11:39:07 afaiac, there's absolutely no reason for fennec's existance Mar 02 11:39:27 Arkenoi, I thought there was more to the internet than kitten videos on youtube Mar 02 11:39:35 lcuk: there's also pr0n Mar 02 11:39:42 and pr0n videos in flash don't work with fennec Mar 02 11:39:53 so yeah, still no reason Mar 02 11:39:54 lol kerio Mar 02 11:40:00 dare I ask: are they using html5 video? Mar 02 11:40:22 MohammadAG: Woot Mar 02 11:41:09 MohammadAG: congrats Mar 02 11:41:42 lcuk: and everything other is viewed better with either default browser or macuco. I thought fennec might be useful because flash video sucks and our flash plugin sucks even more. Mar 02 12:00:29 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> anyone familiar with the startup scripts? I'm trying to get xkeybinds to run at startup but without success. based on a topic i saw on tmo, it should run once hildon-desktop has started. Mar 02 12:04:05 i don't suppose there's any hack to make telepathy keep a backlog of conversations by default, instead of erasing them as soon as you close the window? Mar 02 12:07:00 LjL: i think they are there, old conversations? Mar 02 12:07:49 oh, no, thats the desktop.. though my history is there, sorry. Mar 02 12:08:05 [DrkGUNMAN-N900], http://pastie.org/1624301 Mar 02 12:08:22 something like that in /etc/event.d Mar 02 12:10:08 LjL: search on TMO Mar 02 12:10:45 lcuk: your liqbook update fails on the libbase version Mar 02 12:11:03 lardman, yes I know Mar 02 12:11:16 however the same source built happily and is also in diablo repository Mar 02 12:11:28 it however did not get imported into fremantle Mar 02 12:11:43 though the build came back OK Mar 02 12:11:50 Venemo: sorry, TMO? Mar 02 12:11:58 ~tmo Mar 02 12:11:58 [tmo] http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Mar 02 12:12:10 hence me asking, are there specific reasons for it not being passed and what are those reasons so I can modify and resubmit Mar 02 12:12:18 ah Mar 02 12:12:34 LjL: there is also a "power search" function on tmo Mar 02 12:13:02 lardman, https://garage.maemo.org/pipermail/extras-cauldron-builds/2011-February/033164.html Mar 02 12:13:09 [extras-builds] [fremantle]: libliqbase 0.3.67 OK Mar 02 12:13:41 you spoken to X-Fade ? Mar 02 12:13:49 he has been skiing Mar 02 12:13:53 ah ok Mar 02 12:13:56 and returned, hence todays ping Mar 02 12:14:12 strange that it would build at all if it doesn't make it into extras-* Mar 02 12:14:35 lardman, it is available for my n810 Mar 02 12:14:41 * lcuk giggles at that Mar 02 12:14:43 ah, another buildbot got hung Mar 02 12:15:00 :( Mar 02 12:15:07 lcuk: that doesn't explain how you built liqbook on the autobuilder for Fremantle though Mar 02 12:15:17 or are your build and runtime deps different? Mar 02 12:15:39 lardman, the buildbot looks in the "pending move to fremantle" queue when looking for dependencies afaik Mar 02 12:16:01 it was a fix put in last year or so I think, to allow pushing uploads of a library and then the apps using it Mar 02 12:16:02 where are those packages hosted, as they are downloaded in source form afaiu Mar 02 12:16:09 without having sync waiting problems Mar 02 12:16:18 oh right, never realised that, I always wait 20min between pushes Mar 02 12:16:25 yes Mar 02 12:16:34 well that mucks up lots of people using dput Mar 02 12:16:52 who might setup a script - you *should* be able to put the projects in the right order Mar 02 12:17:04 and providing builds work ->>> lib, app,app,app,app etc Mar 02 12:17:06 would would Mar 02 12:17:13 if the apps are dependent upon lib Mar 02 12:17:34 would work* Mar 02 12:24:46 <[DrkGUNMAN-N900]> Mece: Thank you Mar 02 12:24:52 :) Mar 02 12:35:30 is there a meego-image for the maemo-sdk? Mar 02 12:37:52 omg vibrator in games Mar 02 12:38:21 VIBRA: SDL_HapticRunEffect VIBRA: Run effect level=32767 for length=99 ms VIBRA: Call MCE speed=170 duration=99 Mar 02 12:38:23 MWAHAHAHAHA Mar 02 12:38:44 javispedro, O.o Mar 02 12:41:15 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html omg Mar 02 12:41:25 503 Mar 02 12:41:42 did they pull the plug? Mar 02 12:41:54 I need the damn docs Mar 02 12:42:06 :/ Mar 02 12:42:27 MohammadAG, perhaps cached in google for example Mar 02 12:42:34 http://webcache.googleusercontent.com/search?q=cache:LBlFPBnXmLkJ:maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mafw/MafwPlaylist.html+MafwPlaylist&cd=1&hl=en&ct=clnk&source=www.google.com Mar 02 12:42:52 meh. bugs.maemo.org says "Error: Too many connections" Mar 02 12:43:03 the buildbot is also hung Mar 02 12:43:11 I can't work like this. Mar 02 12:43:19 and maemo.org doesn't work either! Mar 02 12:43:56 that means the repos are down Mar 02 12:44:13 I wonder if Nokia really pulled the plug Mar 02 12:44:17 nope Mar 02 12:44:28 (indexes might, though...) Mar 02 12:44:47 http://repository.maemo.org works fine for me btw Mar 02 12:45:28 MohammadAG, have they threatened to? Mar 02 12:46:07 no Mar 02 12:46:56 maybe they opened up all of Maemo and the repo couldn't take it Mar 02 12:47:07 * MohammadAG chuckles Mar 02 12:47:34 MohammadAG, yes, that sounds likely Mar 02 12:48:33 * javispedro is happy, vibrator! Mar 02 12:48:54 javispedro, I remember some guy in maemo forums who could not switch his vibrator off Mar 02 12:48:55 cue "thats what she said" Mar 02 12:51:20 i wonder if n900s are banned in texas Mar 02 12:52:01 Yay rtcomm Mar 02 12:52:02 can I buy n900 system boards somewhere? Mar 02 12:52:14 no display, no case just boards Mar 02 12:52:27 beagleboard are like n900 one Mar 02 12:52:53 just lacking the 3g stuff ;) Mar 02 12:53:05 yes i wanted the 3g and camera Mar 02 12:53:09 and small size Mar 02 12:53:53 lcuk: So, has he got injured? Mar 02 12:54:27 RST38h, who? Mar 02 12:54:32 the vibrator guy? Mar 02 12:54:37 Looks like the maemo.org problem is a database issue Mar 02 12:54:43 yes Mar 02 12:54:44 as in their database server is down/faulty/whatever Mar 02 12:54:50 I don't get how to sort Mar 02 12:54:54 the playlist items Mar 02 12:55:36 MohammadAG: http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.api.c.multimedia/api_refs/5.0/mafw-shared/ch09s03.html Mar 02 12:56:18 E0x, that's not the problem Mar 02 12:56:20 I have docs Mar 02 12:56:34 ah ok Mar 02 12:56:53 the callback sends an integer Mar 02 12:56:59 that should be the position of the song Mar 02 12:57:02 but it isn't Mar 02 12:57:35 i not the track number ? Mar 02 12:59:22 RST38h, no he did not, but his neighbours looked at him funny for a while :P Mar 02 13:00:30 E0x, no, don't need the track number Mar 02 13:00:43 I mean, I need to sort the playlist as mafw playlist has it Mar 02 13:01:09 i mean if that integer maybe is the track number instead of the position Mar 02 13:01:12 index Mar 02 13:01:41 because i think mediplayer sort it using the track number Mar 02 13:01:58 no, it doesn't Mar 02 13:02:13 music player -> songs -> all songs, click a song Mar 02 13:02:32 hmm Mar 02 13:02:44 seems to be a widget problem rather than an API problem Mar 02 13:06:04 you'd think ui->songPlaylist->insertItem(index, item) would work correctly, but doesn't Mar 02 13:06:05 damn Qt Mar 02 13:06:13 the screenshots at http://rtcomm.garage.maemo.org/ ... they look like more than the standard 3 icons can fit in the task switcher. is it just a matter of the theme used, or what? Mar 02 13:06:16 ( MohammadAG ): thanks for all your work on maemo apps, it's much appreciated :) Mar 02 13:06:29 toadpole, you're welcome :) Mar 02 13:06:56 LjL, the screenshots are from diablo, ie maemo4 ie N800 and N810 Mar 02 13:07:06 lcuk: i know, that's what i have ;) Mar 02 13:07:12 :D Mar 02 13:07:16 they're actually pre-diablo Mar 02 13:07:17 lcuk: but on mine, the icons are bigger, and 3 fit Mar 02 13:07:29 LjL, save a screenshot and show us Mar 02 13:07:32 on diablo the icons were enlarged to make them "finger friendly" Mar 02 13:07:33 they're the same size as the web/people/apps icon Mar 02 13:07:41 javispedro: oh Mar 02 13:07:52 javispedro: not very multitasking-friendly though :P Mar 02 13:08:06 we all know that :D Mar 02 13:08:31 it wouldn't be so bad if they were actually dynamic, i.e. changed depending on what the last 3 tasks i've used were Mar 02 13:08:40 but instead, they're always the same three - the tasks i started *first* Mar 02 13:11:05 guess I'll have to use a dirty trick Mar 02 13:31:24 ruskie, hey Mar 02 13:37:28 hmm Mar 02 13:38:06 so if i use madde and i have library from dependies on device, do i ned it on qt sdk dir of maemo? and if i do how do i install it Mar 02 13:39:25 How to work with miniSDCard? It should be automatically recognised in File manager just after it is inserted in the slot? Mar 02 13:39:33 in nokia n900. Mar 02 13:40:03 You cannot insert a miniSD Mar 02 13:40:06 It will not fit. Mar 02 13:41:07 well it is mikro SD - it fits Mar 02 13:41:09 markinfo: I guess you are talking about a MicroSD Mar 02 13:41:25 you need to close the cover. Mar 02 13:41:33 ok u just insert and it's there Mar 02 13:41:51 marciom, use filemanager e.g. filebox is nice Mar 02 13:42:25 so any dev here? Mar 02 13:42:31 lardman, ping Mar 02 13:42:42 MohammadAG, =) Mar 02 13:43:17 ZogG_laptop: pong Mar 02 13:43:29 Well - it needs to put plastic Cover to put back on. Mar 02 13:43:55 lardman, did u ever use madde? Mar 02 13:44:12 lardman is madde Mar 02 13:44:23 what is the correct way to install python-modules from pipy? I miss pypi-install Mar 02 13:44:31 marciom, yes plastic cover mount and umount so u wouldn't take it off in the middle of some operation Mar 02 13:44:35 ZogG_laptop: nope Mar 02 13:44:39 damn Mar 02 13:44:43 lcuk, you? Mar 02 13:45:06 ZogG_laptop, not to a degree where I could dig inside it Mar 02 13:45:20 but Venemo has dug quite deeply afaik Mar 02 13:45:47 anyone here? i have some dependies for my "app" and i have them on desktop and n900 but not in maemo dir of qt sdk Mar 02 13:46:10 what are the deps out of interest? Mar 02 13:46:12 pupnik, btw did u change anysetting before u run xmms2? Mar 02 13:46:24 lardman, xmms2 client lib Mar 02 13:46:34 oh, no clue about that anyway, sorry Mar 02 13:46:44 There is optical sensor that check if the back cover is on nokia n900 back? this small point beside of camera? Mar 02 13:47:01 markinfo: thought it was magnetic Mar 02 13:50:44 i have found it -there is small piece of magnet that also hold the stand leg of the cover. Mar 02 13:50:49 no venemo and no MohammadAG =( Mar 02 13:57:48 markinfo: yep. optical is for cam slide Mar 02 14:00:32 that magnet can fall off pretty easily Mar 02 14:01:10 nice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment Mar 02 14:01:21 * lardman wonders how far off it is... :) Mar 02 14:03:05 Hmm. Maybe they're going to a new naming scheme. And the n950 is actually named after teh processor. Mar 02 14:03:07 lardman: leak! leak! leak! :) Mar 02 14:03:13 http://www.notebookcheck.net/AMD-Phenom-II-X4-N950-Notebook-Processor.37490.0.html Mar 02 14:04:55 pupnik, when u used xmms2 did u changed config or something? Mar 02 14:05:10 RST38h: :) Mar 02 14:05:10 it starts but i get error on playback Mar 02 14:05:53 I doubt any of the bugs I actually care about will be fixed anytime soon :( Mar 02 14:07:16 ZogG_laptop: don't remember Mar 02 14:07:50 =( Mar 02 14:08:22 lardman: I got nightmares of the day harmattan rolls out Mar 02 14:08:40 new hw! :) Mar 02 14:09:28 Doc: Everyone will hate it. Mar 02 14:09:34 lardman: I'd feel much better if I knew for sure this thing got no meego label on it Mar 02 14:09:38 jonwil, which bugs do you care about? :-P Mar 02 14:09:41 Doc: Some will stock on devices, knowing it is the last one Mar 02 14:10:53 RST38h: I'm talking of a m6-meego-harmattan-HE to kill m5 on N900 Mar 02 14:10:55 bug 8347 for one thing Mar 02 14:10:56 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/8347 Cell Broadcast Feature not available Mar 02 14:11:03 Ah probably wont' happen =( Mar 02 14:11:21 I hope so Mar 02 14:11:38 hy everybody Mar 02 14:16:27 * RST38h wonders if there will be a "WHERE ARE THE ARROW KEYS?" thread when N950 surfaces Mar 02 14:16:39 lol Mar 02 14:18:22 RST38h: otoh what's the sense of a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment - as lardman put it - when that harmattan is known to be the mock-meego, include 2791 new bugs and regressions, a new GUI that's BLAARGH and you say it won't come for N900 (what I really really hope it won't actually) Mar 02 14:19:29 well there are some things we can't change, so I'm not too worried about the presumable ui changes and extra bugs, as long as some of the old ones are fixed and preferably we are able to fix any new ones ourselves Mar 02 14:19:38 if Cell Broadcast SMS ever works on the N900, I will be HIGHLY surprised Mar 02 14:19:58 that'd be like "winXP bug 737617: fixed in win7" Mar 02 14:19:59 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/737617 was not found. Mar 02 14:21:14 Doc: Can I say somethign really bad, cynical, and negative? Mar 02 14:21:32 lardman: exactly what I have been afraid of. meego-HE-m6-bastard is the final shot in the forehead for maemo Mar 02 14:21:59 I have no idea, you might be pleasantly surprised, you never know ;) Mar 02 14:22:11 BS, I'm scared Mar 02 14:22:39 can't really be worse than no new releases Mar 02 14:22:44 Doc: Ultimately, nobody *cares* what base flavor of Linux N950 is based on. Mar 02 14:22:49 the 3 questions I have here are Mar 02 14:23:12 and we already learnt from our occasional harmattan tester here what quirks are in harmattan/meego, and looking at meego handset UX GUI I feel like puking Mar 02 14:23:18 Doc: So, if Nokia marketing people would like to call it a "Meego", it is ok, but the thing is just Maemo to me Mar 02 14:23:27 lardman: it IS worse Mar 02 14:24:04 RST38h: I'm fsckng not talking about N950 Mar 02 14:24:08 Doc: So, no, Harmattan being "fake" Meego is ok to me, as long as the device as a whole is usable and feature cp,[lete Mar 02 14:24:26 Doc: As to proper Meego, let us wait until 1.2, will we? Mar 02 14:24:43 I'm talking about m6 rollout for N900 going to kill m5 Mar 02 14:24:44 I've got to agree with RST38h here, plus I try to be optimistic Mar 02 14:24:49 1.Will this mythical harmattan be missing features that are present in Frematnle Mar 02 14:24:51 2.Will this mythical harmattan contain open source bits instead of closed source bits and if so, is that a good or bad thing Mar 02 14:24:51 And see how it comes out. Based on what I see in release reports, there will be a lot of changes from 1.1 Mar 02 14:24:53 and 3.Will this mythical harmattan contain closed source pieces that contain new bugs vs Fremantle (i.e. things we cant fix that are regressions vs what we have now) Mar 02 14:24:59 I build my package for maemo with the qt developer. Now noki atells me I have to move some files to /opt. How do I build the package by hand? Mar 02 14:25:07 docscrutinizer: can't see it getting a harmattan update myself Mar 02 14:25:12 RST38h: I give a shit about meego and N950 Mar 02 14:25:22 ^don't Mar 02 14:25:24 I only care about what runs on my N900 Mar 02 14:25:25 jonwil: Can you get easy debian in meego? Mar 02 14:25:37 good question markus_ Mar 02 14:25:56 I intend to run whatever nokia-updater tells me is the latest Mar 02 14:26:06 anybody else in .de interested in getting spare speakers? i'll be placing my order today Mar 02 14:26:09 [2011-03-02 15:00:26] nice to see some bugs getting a "fixed in harmattan" sort of comment Mar 02 14:26:34 yeah, but I'm not talking about hw specific, but rather platform sw Mar 02 14:26:40 perhaps I should have said that Mar 02 14:26:48 though yeah I see where you're coming from Mar 02 14:27:05 WTF is that worth when we don't see m6 on N900? And again, I HOPE(!!!!) and pray we won't see any m6-HE on N900 as it will kill off m5 Mar 02 14:27:47 http://pastebin.com/ZkjgffcN Mar 02 14:27:59 grr, python-setuptools is installed. Mar 02 14:28:05 What I care about is not losing features vs Fremantle, not ending up with an unusable GUI just after I got the hang of the Fremantle UI/UX and seeing the issues I care about fixed Mar 02 14:28:28 and to be able to add the features I want to my N900 Mar 02 14:28:31 Doc: You are so afraid of Maemo6 as if it were the Tentacled One Himself Mar 02 14:29:09 jonwil, how long have you cared for n900? Mar 02 14:29:11 .oOO( Tentacles with arms are extremely dangerous! ) Mar 02 14:29:16 Doc: And if I understood you correctly, you cite current Meego bugs as evidence, although Maemo6 has nothign to do with Meego Mar 02 14:29:21 the only bugs against m5 that can get a semi-valid "fixed in m6" tag are the FOSS-requests Mar 02 14:29:48 I dont see most of those FOSS requests happening :( Mar 02 14:30:15 Some nokia guy will just say "use ofono" even though ofono will never be a valid option on the N900 with Fremantle Mar 02 14:30:19 what is the correct way to build maemo-debs from debian-sources? Mar 02 14:30:26 jonwil: yu're kinda depressing Mar 02 14:30:45 jaffa sent them to quim some 2 days ago Mar 02 14:30:52 hmmm yeah Mar 02 14:30:59 there is a bit of positive news there :) Mar 02 14:31:30 IMO if we had the details of the dbus interface exposed by the CSD daemon and its plugins, there is no reason we couldnt replace CSD and friends with a modified ofono Mar 02 14:32:29 sure, except mere amount of work this would be Mar 02 14:32:35 DocScrutinizer:i don't see the point of get stuck in m5 if any of the may part is not getting open source because almost all important bugs are in these part Mar 02 14:32:37 yeah true Mar 02 14:32:38 * javispedro hugs n810 for no reason Mar 02 14:32:49 jonwil: DocScrutinizer: Even if stuff doesn't get opened, perhaps for some of the lower level stuff (like that) we could have a channel to talk to engineers about the interfaces/APIs at least. Mar 02 14:33:02 javispedro, but the n810 has even more closed packages *shock* Mar 02 14:33:13 yeah I think we should come up with a "plan B" for some of those requests Mar 02 14:33:16 javispedro: Reminds you of PalmPilot somehow, now, that they are both dead? =) Mar 02 14:33:25 * javispedro hugs PalmPilot Mar 02 14:33:28 i.e. "if you wont release code, how about these dev packages" Mar 02 14:33:37 Jaffa: sounds reasonable and in line with my suggestion (you know which) Mar 02 14:33:39 hm.. where is the pilot? Mar 02 14:33:56 fell apart into dust? Mar 02 14:34:07 * RST38h sheds a tear Mar 02 14:34:29 no ,it just wants UNDER a pile of dust. Mar 02 14:34:34 s/wants/was/ Mar 02 14:34:34 javispedro meant: no ,it just was UNDER a pile of dust. Mar 02 14:34:34 javispedro, in a box in the loft with Andys ^W Javiss' toys Mar 02 14:35:00 ack Mar 02 14:35:14 nokia might actually be sending the free E7's Mar 02 14:35:27 'joy' Mar 02 14:35:45 joy from a symbian device? Mar 02 14:35:46 my boss just got one and he does not seem impressed Mar 02 14:36:13 * RST38h wonders if any Zoomer PDAs are still around Mar 02 14:36:14 *burp* Mar 02 14:36:28 recently some guy asked me "is symbian easily jailbreakable"? The only answer I could think of was "I think symbian predates jailbreaking". Mar 02 14:36:30 visz: Free is free. Mar 02 14:36:36 Jaffa: Is it worth adding this "plan B" idea to the bug reports on bugs.maemo.org? Mar 02 14:36:37 indeed Mar 02 14:36:50 javispedro: Symbian has no need for jailbreaking *cough* Mar 02 14:37:08 i guess i can use it the e7 to replace my almost broken 6110 navigator Mar 02 14:37:11 javispedro: actually, no, it has to be jailbroken Mar 02 14:37:19 atleast the e7 has turn by turn directions Mar 02 14:37:20 jonwil: If we start getting responses on the bug reports rather than a direct one back from Quim, yeah. Until then, it'd probably just confuse peopel Mar 02 14:37:27 ok Mar 02 14:37:30 makes sense Mar 02 14:37:35 * RST38h will use that E7 for the last wave of updates to his Symbian apps Mar 02 14:37:41 well, I heard symbian phones got used in a number of jailbreaks here :-P Mar 02 14:37:41 and hopefully, unlike my 6110, working volume button ,) Mar 02 14:38:02 As an action of defiances, if you wish, or to milk the remaining Symbian user base, if you are cynical =) Mar 02 14:38:02 Just having libisi-dev would really help me out with some of my work :) Mar 02 14:38:17 having a secretary would help me Mar 02 14:38:32 although I am afraid that libisi (code or -dev package) may be one of the things Nokia are worried about releasing Mar 02 14:38:37 having that time stopping wristwatch would help me... Mar 02 14:39:29 javispedro, can I get that app from Ovi Store? Mar 02 14:40:07 I think not... Mar 02 14:40:36 Though you can get plenty of timewasting applications... Mar 02 14:40:47 yea Mar 02 14:40:59 jonwil: I also would strongly recommend not to edit this wikipage for now, as that might confuse hell out of people at Nokia referring to it Mar 02 14:41:14 I wasnt intending to edit it Mar 02 14:41:37 just saying Mar 02 14:41:40 ok Mar 02 14:52:42 Anything that gets more of Fremantle open is a good thing. Mar 02 14:53:00 And I definatly think that asking for dbus interfaces and APIs is a good "plan B" Mar 02 14:53:27 * Jaffa nods. Mar 02 14:53:37 * Jaffa looks forward to cool jonwil stuff in the CSSU ;-) Mar 02 14:53:39 e.g. if we knew all the external things exposed to the upper levels by the ICD daemon, it wouldn't be that hard to replace ICD with whatever maemo uses Mar 02 14:54:07 jonwil: I'm telling you for the hundredth time, planb.com was a hoax. ;-) Mar 02 14:54:20 :P Mar 02 14:54:29 Jaffa: (Symbian has no need for jailbreaking) actually I seem to recall my friend told me he has to sign each symbian app otherwise it won't run. OK the signature got hacked so no showstopper, but it's a little bit like jailbreaking, no? Mar 02 14:54:38 anyone know who was behind the planb.com hoax though= Mar 02 14:54:39 ? Mar 02 14:55:02 * tybollt looks suspiciously at GAN900 ;) Mar 02 14:55:18 lol Mar 02 14:55:51 I mean replace ICD weith whatever MeeGo uses Mar 02 14:56:18 netmanager or whatever it is Mar 02 14:56:32 connman Mar 02 14:56:35 (stupidly) Mar 02 14:56:37 ok Mar 02 14:56:58 I suspect that 99% of what ICD exposes to the upper layers is only relavent to the connectivity status bar widgets and stuff Mar 02 14:57:04 conman, another reinvention of the wheel Mar 02 14:57:16 which could be redone if we replaced ICD Mar 02 14:57:32 DocScrutinizer: I honestly have no understanding of how connman benefits anyone over NM >= 0.7 :/ Mar 02 14:57:44 DocScrutinizer: other than ofono integration, which could've been done in NM Mar 02 14:57:47 Robot101: ack Mar 02 14:58:09 Its another case of Nokia replacing closed-and-proprietary with open-and-proprietary Mar 02 14:58:14 NIH cookie Mar 02 14:58:18 i.e. things Nokia can have a big say in the development of Mar 02 14:58:33 Intel in this case. Mar 02 14:58:34 conman is incomplete too so I read Mar 02 14:58:37 a match made in heaven... Mar 02 14:59:36 well we dont have to replace ICD with conman, if we knew the interfaces that mattered, we could replace it with netman Mar 02 15:00:04 and make netman talk to the CSD GPRS plugin Mar 02 15:00:22 jonwil: Man, contantly mentioning the need to know interfaces in this channel has not been known to give one the knowledged of those interfaces Mar 02 15:00:30 true :P Mar 02 15:00:35 NM sucks too Mar 02 15:00:54 So, address your request to the right destination (i.e. Quim et al) Mar 02 15:01:28 RST38h: + Mar 02 15:02:05 luke-jr: one more reason not to replace it by anything else that sucks same way Mar 02 15:02:39 the bad you know... Mar 02 15:02:44 s/bad/devil :P Mar 02 15:03:16 though tbh I'm quite wary of this entire nih stuff around connman/ofono Mar 02 15:03:19 if NM wouldn't suck, I could understand Intel claiming "It doesn't suck as much as we want it, so let's invent connman to meet that design goal" - but even that is moot :-P Mar 02 15:03:39 ok, so where do I put requests for information/code/headers/dev packages so that the right people will see it and be able to act on it? Mar 02 15:04:01 jonwil: THIS IS INPROGRESS Mar 02 15:04:07 ok Mar 02 15:04:29 constant nagging won't help the issue Mar 02 15:04:34 au contraire Mar 02 15:06:00 not that I knew for sure about that part - maybe it would help if done right - just I never seen any instance where it did Mar 02 15:26:44 how to use Nokia n900 as Voice recorder? I have found only application "Recorder" - is there something else? Mar 02 15:27:38 Can nokia take voice with higher sample frequency as 22kHz? Mar 02 15:30:03 because audio in Video stream from Camera is taken with 48kHz Mar 02 15:30:52 why do you need something else than "recorder"? Mar 02 15:32:50 it seems to be quality of audio worse than in videostream Mar 02 15:33:07 there are no settings in "Recorder" Mar 02 15:37:22 see "parec" markinfo Mar 02 15:37:47 just diy the gst pipeline Mar 02 15:38:01 or that Mar 02 15:40:11 so anyone have any idea how do i install extra package i want to use for dependies for my app to Qt SDK? Mar 02 15:40:53 ZogG_laptop, how are you planning on publishing this app down the line? Mar 02 15:41:22 lcuk, to extras Mar 02 15:41:29 ZogG_laptop: I'd be interested to hear the answer to that question too Mar 02 15:41:51 afaik in the project file (or configurator for it) you can add dependencies Mar 02 15:42:37 [sbox-FREMANTLE_X86: ~/deb/python-dateutil-1.4.1] > file /usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe Mar 02 15:42:41 /usr/share/pyshared/setuptools/cli.exe: MS Windows PE 32-bit Intel 80386 console executable not relocatable Mar 02 15:42:44 ARRGGGHHHH!!!! Mar 02 15:42:51 lcuk, i tried on first when i did desktop app. it was build fine for desctop but not for maemo Mar 02 15:43:13 khertan_, probably knows Mar 02 15:43:33 ZogG_laptop, perhaps it considers that dependencies are already installed whilst running from ide->device ? Mar 02 15:43:50 on device it is installed Mar 02 15:43:55 on computer as well Mar 02 15:44:15 the question is if it builds in SDK it probably uses SDK rootsys Mar 02 15:44:22 why are there windows-files installed? Mar 02 15:44:49 ZogG_laptop, check the package .deb itself and see what dpkg says are its dependencies etc Mar 02 15:44:55 autobuilder will follow those Mar 02 15:46:05 lcuk, u don't get, i'm truing to build my own package and it does depends on existing package Mar 02 15:46:47 ZogG_laptop, do you have an actual .deb built somewhere from the middle of the qt sdk? Mar 02 15:49:24 lcuk, nope i can't build deb until i resolve dependies issues =( Mar 02 15:49:32 maybe Nokia is already sabotaging the Maemo-SDK... Mar 02 15:49:42 but i do have deb of the package my app depends on Mar 02 15:52:09 ZogG_laptop, http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-42337.html Mar 02 15:52:47 lcuk, http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=768020&postcount=12 Mar 02 15:56:49 lcuk, now the problem that it ask for pass and mad dev pass is not working Mar 02 16:01:00 Is gtk-update-icon-cache supposed to be empty or it's just me? Nokia-N900:~# cat /usr/bin/gtk-update-icon-cache Mar 02 16:01:00 #!/bin/sh -e Mar 02 16:01:00 Nokia-N900:~# Mar 02 16:01:26 i LOVE n900 Mar 02 16:01:39 can stream my security camera using just mplayer Mar 02 16:01:42 <_berto_> divan0: it is empty, the icon cache is disabled Mar 02 16:01:58 so much faster than in browser Mar 02 16:02:11 _berto_, why it's disabled? Mar 02 16:02:22 <_berto_> divan0: to save disk space Mar 02 16:04:11 pupnik, do u have security ca? Mar 02 16:04:13 cam/ Mar 02 16:04:15 talking about stream , with gstream i can screen the video of the camare right ? Mar 02 16:05:31 i mean , over the network Mar 02 16:06:37 _berto_, can I tell hildon to reload icons somehow? Simple case - I've my .desktop file and now icon isn't displayed. Mar 02 16:07:11 /usr/lib symlinks to? Mar 02 16:08:17 heya, someone send me an mms to my n900 and i didnt have fMMS installed until now, i've got no SMS saying that i've a new mms. Is there a way to ensure it's not my devices fault by forcing fMMS to check for new MMS's ? Mar 02 16:08:52 <_berto_> divan0: if it does not work automatically, try with "touch /usr/share/themes" or /usr/share/themes/something Mar 02 16:08:57 <_berto_> I don't remember now Mar 02 16:09:36 <_berto_> but I think reloading icons was based on the timestamp of the themes dir Mar 02 16:09:51 <_berto_> in fact gtk-update-icon-cache should do that Mar 02 16:11:18 _berto_, thanks for the replies. I'm reading comments for this bug (https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931). Pretty odd. Mar 02 16:11:19 Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one Mar 02 16:12:00 <_berto_> divan0: ah, yeah, I explain it all there :) Mar 02 16:12:44 <_berto_> divan0: but I think that patch didn't get accepted Mar 02 16:13:07 _berto_, for sure it didn't ( Mar 02 16:13:41 <_berto_> divan0: if you touch the hicolor dir on postinst I think it should fix your problem Mar 02 16:14:14 hi _berto_ divan0 \o Mar 02 16:14:44 DocScrutinizer, playlists working, at least for listing and selection Mar 02 16:14:44 still need to work on sorting them right, they're random atm Mar 02 16:14:48 _berto_, another thing I think we looked at in the past is also the order the .desktop file and .png icon itself get installed Mar 02 16:14:49 <_berto_> hi lcuk Mar 02 16:14:52 _berto_, actually my problem is more specific - I create .desktop files and icons in .local directory. And icons do not appear even after reboot. And I double checked syntax and permissions, the icons do not appear. Mar 02 16:15:02 hi lcuk Mar 02 16:15:17 MohammadAG: nice Mar 02 16:15:39 <_berto_> i have to leave, guys, sorry Mar 02 16:15:43 sorting and search shouldn't be hard Mar 02 16:15:51 _berto_, until next time \o Mar 02 16:16:43 DocScrutinizer51, problem is, QListWidget can't insert at row 500 if there are 0 items Mar 02 16:16:57 so I either have to override that, or get mafw to send sorted items Mar 02 16:17:02 umm, yeah Mar 02 16:21:23 8MBs of RAM, not bad Mar 02 16:22:01 considering it currently has both songs, videos, internet stations with their respective art shown Mar 02 16:26:16 i feel like the world is against me Mar 02 16:26:19 i feel like the world is against me Mar 02 16:26:43 MohammadAG, did u managed to add dependies from extras to Qt SDK for madde? Mar 02 16:27:37 ZogG_laptop, yes, libqgconf Mar 02 16:27:45 and anyone knows how to add repo to scratchbox with https as it gives error while trying to update Mar 02 16:27:55 MohammadAG how do you do it? Mar 02 16:27:56 i just unpack the deb in the sysroot Mar 02 16:31:05 MohammadAG, i did the same didn't work Mar 02 16:31:14 now just did it with non-opt packages Mar 02 16:31:16 thanx Mar 02 16:31:17 it worked Mar 02 16:32:33 pupnik_, do you still have xmms2? Mar 02 16:33:14 MohammadAG: Seen the patch on bug 6931 to fix Gtk+? I was going to ask _berto_ about any performance impact, but he's gone Mar 02 16:33:15 Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one Mar 02 16:33:42 ruskie, ping Mar 02 16:33:58 klanging me isn't as effective as actually putting up a question ;) Mar 02 16:35:37 ruskie, can u test some app for m Mar 02 16:35:46 sure Mar 02 16:36:07 MohammadAG, how do i add it in config as dependies for install Mar 02 16:36:28 ruskie, btw xmms2 play just gives me error can't play with no description Mar 02 16:36:46 ? Mar 02 16:37:41 ruskie, i don't know why myself, do i need to config anything like audio or something? Mar 02 16:37:50 ZogG_laptop: sorry not atm Mar 02 16:38:10 ZogG_laptop, ahh you probably need the pulseaudio plugin and set is as default... Mar 02 16:38:17 though I thought I set that up... Mar 02 16:38:19 hmm Mar 02 16:38:32 maybe I should actually try to make this better... Mar 02 16:38:55 xmms2-pulseaudio or how does it calls? Mar 02 16:38:58 cal* Mar 02 16:39:18 xmms2-plugin-pulse Mar 02 16:39:30 and need to set it as default output Mar 02 16:40:11 ruskie, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/fresh_0.0.1_armel.deb Mar 02 16:41:43 works... Mar 02 16:41:54 no display of the metadata yet Mar 02 16:41:59 but the controls do work Mar 02 16:42:25 I have just instaled program http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mydicto/ made some records, but I can not find where this records are saved. Mar 02 16:43:04 i have founded it. Mar 02 16:43:26 i m a new n900. since 45seconds... Mar 02 16:43:52 ruskie, hmm i can't manage xmms2 to work itself Mar 02 16:44:16 ruskie, for metadata i need MohammadAG to help me, but he hates me =) Mar 02 16:44:18 hmm though the app seems to have sent my xmms2d into some cpu spins... Mar 02 16:44:48 does xmms2 launch? i.e. there's an xmms2d process in the list? Mar 02 16:45:45 ruskie, app doesn't start it Mar 02 16:46:04 erm... ow... you're trying to autolaunch it... Mar 02 16:46:09 I had it running already Mar 02 16:46:27 ruskie, i'll play with code after if i'm not sure if i need to sent commands and wait for reply or just sent and doesn't matter if it works or not Mar 02 16:46:38 also check: ~/.config/xmms2/xmms2.conf Mar 02 16:46:53 ruskie there is pulse as default Mar 02 16:46:55 can be regulated the sensitivity of mikrofon? I have tested 2 voice recording application an it makes uite silent records. Mar 02 16:46:58 pulse Mar 02 16:47:04 ruskie, how do i add all mlib to current playlist? Mar 02 16:47:17 ZogG_laptop, hmm I always just xmms2 radd dir_of_music Mar 02 16:47:20 and that adds it in Mar 02 16:47:21 Hey guys, I have a problem. I just *un*installed nitdroid on my n900 and rebooted the device. now I see an empty multiboot menu and the device wont boot. what can I do to fix this? :-/ Mar 02 16:47:46 even "mydicto" shows bar of Miicrofon - and it moves just on the bottom. Mar 02 16:48:29 Flyser__: flash the stock-kernel. Mar 02 16:48:59 ruskie, lemme try it Mar 02 16:49:33 so flashing the kernel will be enough? thanks :) I thought I had to replace the rootfs^^ Mar 02 16:49:51 Flyser__: no, the kernel is enough. Mar 02 16:50:01 ruskie, it does work but i can't hear anything Mar 02 16:50:04 ut it's playing Mar 02 16:50:09 Flyser__: I had the same problem just a few days ago :-) Mar 02 16:50:32 ZogG_laptop, hmm and output is pulse? Mar 02 16:50:38 are you in silent? Mar 02 16:50:39 yes Mar 02 16:50:42 nope Mar 02 16:50:47 hmm it's wierd Mar 02 16:50:59 i ran xmms2 radd /path/to/album Mar 02 16:51:04 xmms2 list shows nothing Mar 02 16:51:23 check .cache/xmms2/xmms2d.log iirc Mar 02 16:53:12 couldn't set up chain for ...blah.mp3 Mar 02 16:53:25 missing all the format plugins then Mar 02 16:53:36 I more or less stripped off all the plugin dependencies by default Mar 02 16:53:39 Treibholz: nice :) What is the easiest way to reflash *just* the kernel? do I have to unpack the FIASCO image? Mar 02 16:53:49 ruskie, i'm using opt repo Mar 02 16:54:06 Flyser__: no, the flasher has an option for that Mar 02 16:54:22 ZogG_laptop, yeah... but you need to install xmms2-plugin-{mp3,ogg,flac,etc...) packages Mar 02 16:54:23 ruskie, xmms2-plugin-all is meta? Mar 02 16:54:31 I think so Mar 02 16:54:39 lemme check than Mar 02 16:54:55 yeah it is Mar 02 16:55:07 I suggest after that removing it and xmms2-plugin-mad Mar 02 16:55:20 so it will use mpg123 as the decoder(more optimized decoding) Mar 02 16:55:21 yes it is Mar 02 16:55:56 ruskie, yes but than i need to install flac support separetly =( Mar 02 16:56:08 ZogG_laptop, ? Mar 02 16:56:22 does mad includes flac support? Mar 02 16:56:24 no Mar 02 16:56:31 mad is ONLY for mp3 Mar 02 16:56:39 you need: xmms2-plugin-flac Mar 02 16:56:43 if you want flac Mar 02 16:56:50 ruskie, that's why i like gentoo =) Mar 02 16:57:00 mad is also crap performance wise Mar 02 16:57:01 why? Mar 02 16:57:06 because they insanely patch crap? Mar 02 16:57:07 USE="mad flac" emerge xms2 =) Mar 02 16:57:30 ZogG_laptop, well if I do a fresh package I'd like to roll it all into a single deb Mar 02 16:57:39 Treibholz: flasher-3.5 -F /home/flyser/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel doesnt work here. what is wrong? Mar 02 16:58:07 it's just funny: http://maemo.org/midcom-permalink-71b68f0044a911e0bf1a35436917efdfefdf Mar 02 17:01:01 MohammadAG, now i will bug you with stupid question as finally i set up dev enventory right Mar 02 17:03:58 ruskie, what do you think to get metadata from file or from xmms2? Mar 02 17:04:21 since xmms2 has a mlib I'd get it from there Mar 02 17:05:12 ruskie, okay it would take me a lot of time to make something kinda usebale but what do you think i should add first after current song display? Mar 02 17:05:57 maybe albumart support? Mar 02 17:07:29 Flyser__: a bit more of info WHAT is happening for sure would help to help you Mar 02 17:07:30 ZogG_laptop, what's "enventory"? Mar 02 17:07:59 MohammadAG it means my english sucks Mar 02 17:08:03 Flyser__: I mean "doesn't work here" is a bit thin Mar 02 17:08:48 ruskie i'm planning to add album art, volume, progress bar, song info Mar 02 17:09:03 planing on making a desktop widget as well? Mar 02 17:09:04 thinking of playlist/medialib or add dir Mar 02 17:09:51 ruskie, sure, if i figure it out how to make widget, as in qt creator i have desktop widget or mobile app but not mobile widget and i dunno Qt at all Mar 02 17:10:29 ruskie i was thinking to steal nicolai's widget and change relevant code and delete unrelevant for now Mar 02 17:10:32 DocScrutinizer: well I was able to flash the kernel using flasher-3.5 -F image.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R, but the device will still show an empty multiboot menu on startup Mar 02 17:11:05 btw ZogG_laptop considered signig up for gsoc with xmms2? Mar 02 17:11:09 yeah, multiboot is a bitch Mar 02 17:11:17 DocScrutinizer: This happened after deinstalling nitdroid Mar 02 17:11:52 ruskie nope Mar 02 17:12:00 ruskie i'm too stupid for that Mar 02 17:12:11 why? Mar 02 17:12:26 Treibholz: is that what you did or anything else? Mar 02 17:13:17 sorry I never looked too deep into multiboot, as I know it's a nasty hack. My guess would be you either fix things with a lenghty procedure involving booting rescue-initrd and hacking on shell level. Or reflash rootfs Mar 02 17:14:10 and for sure I suggest you go #nitdroid to kick some asses Mar 02 17:14:26 how can I boot a rescue-initrd? Mar 02 17:19:55 is it possible to boot the default kernel without permanently flashing it to the device? Mar 02 17:20:07 yup Mar 02 17:20:41 how? Mar 02 17:20:50 using flasher... but not flashing it Mar 02 17:21:00 don't recall it atm... Mar 02 17:21:01 "--flash-only=kernel -l -R" ? Mar 02 17:25:42 doesnt work :-/ Mar 02 17:26:10 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Mar 02 17:26:59 hi Mar 02 17:32:44 DocScrutinizer: thanks, but the links are dead :-/ Mar 02 17:34:11 nvm. I found the correct files elsewhere Mar 02 17:37:14 http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/builds/1.1.90/1.1.90.5.20110301.7/repos/oss/armv7l/packages/armv7l/nokia-n900-rescue-initrd-0.2.2-1.65.armv7l.rpm Mar 02 17:39:36 http://i52.tinypic.com/waou8k.jpg <-- playlist screenshot Mar 02 17:40:19 I'm so fed up with nitdroid and multiboot and talking users raped by those out of their problems Mar 02 17:41:54 well they took the easy way to solve an unsourmountable project Mar 02 17:41:56 Flyser__: pretty please go to nitdroid whatever is the place those dudes meet, and kick somebody's ass about this issue Mar 02 17:42:51 I will ;) Mar 02 17:46:26 how can I input a slash in the rescue initrd? Mar 02 17:50:55 nobody told so far how to enter / and other special chars there Mar 02 17:51:20 so if you find a way, please share Mar 02 17:51:27 *sigh* :-/ Mar 02 17:52:55 I don't even understand why booting the default maemo kernel through flasher is not working :-/ Mar 02 17:53:20 probably modules mismatch Mar 02 17:53:21 the device just turns off after flashing ... Mar 02 17:53:43 or wrong kernel cmdline Mar 02 17:54:00 what kernel cmdline do I have to set? Mar 02 17:54:18 I dont think module mismatch might be the cause Mar 02 17:54:36 I was using the stock kernel before. no power kernel or anything Mar 02 18:00:24 even when booting a temporary kernel, I'd guess the result would be the same. Multiboot is "userland", not kernel. So whatever kernel you boot, if it's using the existing rootfs and kernel cmdline, you'll end in same empty multiboot menu Mar 02 18:02:16 you could substitiue the init= param with some rm of the multiboot script Mar 02 18:02:26 yep Mar 02 18:03:08 but you'd have to make damn sure what exactly you are doing, as a mere removal of arbitrary scripts might not fix the problem Mar 02 18:03:26 hmm shouldn't just removing of that /bootmenu.sh work? Mar 02 18:03:39 yeah, probably Mar 02 18:03:46 :-D Mar 02 18:18:39 which partition on mmcblk0 is the rootfs? I cant even execute /bin/sh ... Mar 02 18:21:05 it's on /dev/mtd5 Mar 02 18:21:32 heh dual core A5 by apple Mar 02 18:23:20 question: when n900 battery is full, icon battery should stop moving? Mar 02 18:23:53 and a notification msg will show Mar 02 18:23:56 telling you it Mar 02 18:24:01 niala1: i don't think it does Mar 02 18:24:05 and led will green Mar 02 18:24:20 the way you know it's "Full" is you get an info banner and potentially a greed led (if you haven't disabled that) Mar 02 18:24:28 s/greed/green/ Mar 02 18:24:29 timeless_office meant: the way you know it's "Full" is you get an info banner and potentially a green led (if you haven't disabled that) Mar 02 18:24:58 niala1: yes ,and if the screen is off the indicator led should show constant green Mar 02 18:25:57 ok Mar 02 18:26:22 it's a second hand, with no doc Mar 02 18:27:09 ruskie, still here, want you to try something Mar 02 18:30:01 * Flyser__ is getting angry -.- bloody notdroid ... never used it, but broke my rootfs -.- Mar 02 18:35:17 can i see % of battery full ? Mar 02 18:35:57 timeless_office: niala1: here the status area battery icon animation stops when battery is full Mar 02 18:36:16 not when charging Mar 02 18:36:22 ok Mar 02 18:36:24 if you unplug, there's a way to get a value Mar 02 18:36:49 doc: here i can't charge, i just exhaust and swap :) Mar 02 18:36:57 niala1: lshal|grep bat Mar 02 18:37:44 any idea what might be wrong here: flasher-3.5 -k boot/vmlinuz-2.6.35.3-10.3-n900 -l -b"rootdelay=1 root=/dev/mtdblock5 init=/bin/sh" Mar 02 18:37:50 it fails with "unable to mount rootfs" Mar 02 18:37:55 niala1: lshal|grep battery.charge_level.percentage actually Mar 02 18:38:03 whereis | Mar 02 18:38:27 mtdblock5 never seen Mar 02 18:38:36 isn't that mtdblk Mar 02 18:39:07 mtdblk5 doesn't work either Mar 02 18:39:42 IroN900:~# ls /dev/mtd* Mar 02 18:39:44 /dev/mtd0 /dev/mtd1 /dev/mtd2 /dev/mtd3 /dev/mtd4 /dev/mtd5 Mar 02 18:39:55 neither does /dev/mtd5 Mar 02 18:42:20 is there a cmdline option to disable the nokia splash screen? that would allow me to use the default kernel Mar 02 18:42:55 niala1: | is either blue-C (EUR remapped as PIPE - e.g. if you have the hebrew keymap), or it's in the on screen keyboard Mar 02 18:43:24 if (ui->play_bt->text == "Play") < where is my mistake? Mar 02 18:45:49 Flyser__: I found http://pastebin.com/Dvi54udu , it might help to figure how to "do things" in early boot - it looks exactly like my /sbin/preinit Mar 02 18:46:08 ok nice Mar 02 18:46:36 Flyser__: according to /proc/cmdline (>>init=/sbin/preinit ubi.mtd=rootfs root=ubi0:rootfs rootfstype=ubifs rootflags=bulk_read,no_chk_data_crc rw console=ttyMTD,log console=tty0 snd-soc-rx51.hp_lim=42 snd-soc-tlv320aic3x.hp_dac_lim=6<<) preinit is what kernel starts as init process Mar 02 18:49:42 doesn't boot either :-/ just reboots Mar 02 18:49:59 this sucks big time ... :( Mar 02 18:51:54 err, sorry. WHAT doesn't boot either? Mar 02 18:52:28 the default kernel loaded through flasher with your cmdli ne Mar 02 18:53:15 well, this cmdline is for normal boot from NAND Mar 02 18:53:32 thats why I was hoping that it works Mar 02 18:54:10 what should work? Entering borked multiboot? that can be done by booting the very normal way Mar 02 18:55:22 yes. that would be a starting point to modify the cmdline into something executing /bin/sh or whatever Mar 02 18:56:09 look, your system actually boots, as it shows this multiboot menu. It's just not running the normal init process and scripts. So messing with a new kernel won't help at all Mar 02 18:57:08 I understand that. I was going to follow the suggesting to delete /bootmenu.sh Mar 02 18:58:19 but it seems hopeless :-( Mar 02 18:58:25 as ruskie suggested, changing init=/sbin/preinit to init=/bin/rm /bootmenu.sh (or similar with better syntax) could kick out the multiboot Mar 02 18:59:19 no it wont ... a) the filesystem is not mounted rw, b) it does not seem possible to supply arguments to commands with "init=" Mar 02 18:59:48 or use rescue-initrd and in shell there mount and cd to / of original rootfs, then `mv bootmenu.sh nobootmenu.sh` Mar 02 19:00:19 how can I mount the rootfs if I can not enter / Mar 02 19:06:28 Flyser__, the rescue-initrd would have its own / and from there you could attempt to mount/rescue the defective volume Mar 02 19:11:11 pwd|cut -b 1 Mar 02 19:11:18 might help somehow Mar 02 19:11:35 dunno if you got $() or ` Mar 02 19:11:48 achipa: ping Mar 02 19:11:58 $() should work in all posix shs Mar 02 19:11:58 another question: i need a usb , i have to buy a 'normal' mini usbwire? Mar 02 19:11:58 SLASH=$(pwd|cut -b 1) Mar 02 19:11:59 very nice ip cam viewer with huge list of supported cams... http://hit-mob.com/ip-cam-viewer-android/ Mar 02 19:12:27 ruskie: lcuk: the problem is the fsckdup keymap in rescue-initrd sh Mar 02 19:12:41 ahh Mar 02 19:13:17 lcuk: how would I mount something without being able to enter a slash Mar 02 19:13:20 I'd suggest to patch the .profile of rescue-initrd to include some aliases Mar 02 19:14:04 i need usb to install app on maemo.org ? Mar 02 19:14:12 usbnetwork Mar 02 19:14:29 niala1: no, any kind of network connection will let you install apps Mar 02 19:14:51 just add repo then.. ok Mar 02 19:15:16 niala1: some people use USB networking because they don't have a wireless router and don't want to use up their mobile broadband cap Mar 02 19:17:06 the seller has keep the microcard :( Mar 02 19:17:35 niala1: ? Mar 02 19:17:51 if you mean microSD, the n900 doesn't come with one Mar 02 19:18:12 a second hand n900 Mar 02 19:18:21 ok Mar 02 19:19:58 there is an empty microSD card slot; you don't need one unless you run out of space Mar 02 19:20:09 or want to put your camera's card in there or something Mar 02 19:20:14 i thinking about meego Mar 02 19:20:16 or have a need for it ;) Mar 02 19:20:59 well i suppose is not a good idea to test n900fly ! Mar 02 19:22:06 i m very happy, this is not a brick at all. Mar 02 19:26:37 flashing rootfs now -.-" Mar 02 19:37:50 Flyser__: for helping your ass-kicking: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=950214#post950214 Mar 02 19:40:46 Flyser__: you could have just flashed the kernel part, and not the whole rootfs....i did it on the train on sunday after badly installing kernel-power Mar 02 19:40:54 well, there is any default password for root ? Mar 02 19:45:00 please :) Mar 02 19:46:10 piggz: that's nonsense. The device booted til multiboot menu. So what's a kernel-flashing going to change with that? Mar 02 19:48:14 i need to be root to runn ifconfig? Mar 02 19:48:16 a new kernel regularly doesn't change the way init process is working Mar 02 19:48:30 DocScrutinizer: doesnt the kernel live where multimoot has been put...like uboot? Mar 02 19:48:37 nope Mar 02 19:49:01 /sbin/preinit calls /bootmenu.sh calls multiboot Mar 02 19:49:08 afaik Mar 02 19:49:45 * javispedro kills pulseaudio in x86 sbox Mar 02 19:49:54 is ifconfig on maemo? Mar 02 19:50:01 niala1: yes you need root Mar 02 19:50:02 yes Mar 02 19:50:24 niala1: Are you familiar with ssh? Mar 02 19:50:24 niala1: /[usr/]sbin/ifconfig Mar 02 19:50:48 niala1: right, just sbin Mar 02 19:51:15 ty . is there any default password? or the seller has put in his? sorry for my englidh Mar 02 19:51:21 english Mar 02 19:51:28 re Mar 02 19:51:36 Sc0rpius: ping Mar 02 19:51:59 niala1: install rootsh, then run "root" in terminal, then "passwd" and set whatever password you want Mar 02 19:52:00 niala1, there is no default password Mar 02 19:52:00 use 'root' instead of su Mar 02 19:52:02 niala1: you need to install a package to get root access. Are you familiar with ssh? Mar 02 19:52:29 ²ssh yes, but i haven't usb wire Mar 02 19:52:43 onstall pkg rootsh Mar 02 19:52:55 use 'root' instead of su Mar 02 19:53:07 no password Mar 02 19:53:12 well, i suppose it's better for a second hand to erase and flash the device Mar 02 19:53:12 :-/ Mar 02 19:54:15 see http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools on how to enable proper root password for 'root' Mar 02 19:54:16 Title of DocScrutinizer's link: User:Joerg rw/tools - maemo.org wiki Mar 02 19:54:26 slonobot: o_O Mar 02 19:54:27 No such factoid 'o_O'; did you mean [global channel] goto or oreo? Mar 02 19:54:44 niala1: If you plan on using ssh, then install openssh and you will get root access Mar 02 19:55:04 ty all Mar 02 19:59:22 hmm Mar 02 19:59:52 how do i make Label in Qt to change all the time as value of text is changed? Mar 02 20:01:11 ruskie, artist and title now shows up but doesn't change with the song =) Mar 02 20:02:53 sometime in 2011 we might get The Last Express playing on N900 Mar 02 20:02:59 ZogG_laptop, connect text changed signal to slot function which updates label. If no such signal, emit it when text is changed, Mar 02 20:03:06 so buy it and download it :) Mar 02 20:03:43 divan, i have function that actually change the label Mar 02 20:03:49 set the label Mar 02 20:04:02 how do i connect the signal Mar 02 20:05:52 ZogG, first of all, do you have a signal which is emitted when the text changes? Mar 02 20:05:53 QObject::connect() Mar 02 20:06:08 * javispedro curses the deadly outdated autotools plus pulseaudio combination Mar 02 20:06:51 divan, i dunno what ya talking as i'm really really new and noob to Qt Mar 02 20:07:05 ZogG_laptop, http://doc.qt.nokia.com/4.7/signalsandslots.html Mar 02 20:07:40 i never understand mans or tuts, i need to see an example to understand but lemme check Mar 02 20:08:13 ZogG_laptop, Qt docs are super easy. It's not like man reading :) Mar 02 20:08:37 Actually, docs are one of the primary Qt's pros Mar 02 20:12:04 i could a loop but it would be stupid Mar 02 20:12:30 so actually i have to make 2 functions Mar 02 20:12:46 one is getting the data and other is setting and connect them? Mar 02 20:12:46 I fear I might have bricked my whole device. I can't flash my device anymore. flasher does not detect the device anymore O_o Mar 02 20:13:13 Flyser__, does it detct it before? what system? battery state? more info? Mar 02 20:13:25 but it shows up in dmesg and it still boots into multiboot Mar 02 20:13:36 ZogG_laptop, connect(song_changer, SIGNAL(songChanged(QString)), my_gui_class, SLOT(updateLabel(QString))); Mar 02 20:13:43 ZogG_laptop: before what? maemo 5, battery should be nearly full Mar 02 20:14:00 Flyser__, what do u want and have? Mar 02 20:14:09 divan, am i right? Mar 02 20:14:30 ZogG_laptop: I want and have Maemo 5 PR 1.3 Mar 02 20:14:48 Flyser__: battery low Mar 02 20:14:50 Flyser__, and what do u have now? Mar 02 20:15:05 ZogG_laptop: Maemo 5 PR 1.3 ;) Mar 02 20:15:06 ~flashing Mar 02 20:15:06 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 02 20:15:14 ZogG_laptop, yes. Mar 02 20:15:30 DocScrutinizer: okay, I will leave it charging for a while Mar 02 20:15:55 do you think it's charging when sitting in multiboot menu? It's not Mar 02 20:16:20 no, but it should charge if it is not booted at all Mar 02 20:16:35 divan i don't get it. do i have to make a function to check if the song is changed or just function of getting data is enuf? Mar 02 20:16:39 well. if it "appears" to be not booted at all ;) Mar 02 20:16:45 you *might* be lucky and it enters charging state when you plug in charger to switched off device Mar 02 20:17:01 yes, thats what I am doing now Mar 02 20:17:18 a pulsing LED should indicate that its charging, right? Mar 02 20:17:20 Flyser__: that's called ACT_DEAD and actually is a fully booted state, without display Mar 02 20:17:34 yes, flashing LED indicates charging usually Mar 02 20:17:35 I know that^^ Mar 02 20:19:48 ZogG_laptop, I don't know the architecture of your application. But if you want to use Qt you definitely should understand signals/slots model of Qt. It's easy. Mar 02 20:20:56 divan, i did it and i did it wrong as it's not working Mar 02 20:21:03 mind to see the code? Mar 02 20:21:20 ZogG_laptop, so basically you need a signal which will be emitted when song is changed, and you need a slot which will recieve the signal and update the label. Mar 02 20:21:25 ZogG_laptop, try ) Mar 02 20:23:04 funny changed code and now i get unrelevant errors in random places =0 Mar 02 20:23:59 good luck with the xmms2 hacking ZogG_laptop ... Mar 02 20:24:20 btw hows the cpu usage (@ 250mhz)... mplayer taking up 26% cpu here, plus 15 for pa Mar 02 20:26:23 well with a 192kb/s mp3 Mar 02 20:26:34 with a low bitrate mono mp3 it uses about 17% Mar 02 20:27:18 divan, signal means if for exapmle i have X and it's changed in app so it would send signal, than it would check automatic as i declared it as signal or i need to make function that always check that? Mar 02 20:29:10 DocScrutinizer: flashing works again. thanks Mar 02 20:29:55 if you ain't usin 'locate' you missin out! Mar 02 20:30:08 fo' shizzle Mar 02 20:34:21 ZogG_laptop, none of these. Let's speak in terms of your task :) You need to declare signal songChanged() and emit it when song is changed. When and from where will you emit it depends on architecture of you application. If you have some class which does the song changing you can emit signal directly from that function. If you don't have any control of song changing, and can only check/poll it, then you have to make check functions which will wait for song cha Mar 02 20:34:21 nge and emit the signal. Again, depends on your architecture, the signal may not be needed at all - maybe you can call labelUpdate() function directly from check/songChange function. :) Mar 02 20:36:36 i'm confused now Mar 02 20:36:51 i changed my original code and now i'm even more confused Mar 02 20:37:25 reading examples helps :) Mar 02 20:37:35 i'm trying my best Mar 02 20:37:45 at the end i'll do it anyway =) Mar 02 20:42:40 ZogG_laptop: just for curiosity , what kind of app are you doing ? Mar 02 20:43:21 xmms2 client Mar 02 20:43:26 ok Mar 02 20:45:16 i'm tierd Mar 02 20:45:28 i'll try to continue after Mar 02 20:45:42 s i'll confused with this slots and signals Mar 02 20:57:21 While reinstalling my newly flashed (-.-) maemo I am wondering why the Community SSU blocks mymenu (or the other way around)? Mar 02 20:58:42 define "block" Mar 02 20:58:59 wait. that was wrong ... Mar 02 20:59:04 "mymenu: Depends: mp-fremantle-generic-pr (>= 2.2009.51-1) but it is not going to be installed" Mar 02 20:59:27 this is introduced by the community ssu Mar 02 20:59:50 mp-fremantle-community-pr is introduced by the community ssu Mar 02 21:00:10 I guess the generic is Maemo stuff, are you sure you have PR1.3? Mar 02 21:00:16 yes Mar 02 21:00:42 20.2010.36-2 Mar 02 21:01:17 and cssu: 20.2010.36-2maemo12.5 Mar 02 21:02:01 maybe "mp-fremantle-community-pr" replaces "mp-fremantle-generic-pr" and mymenu can't depend on it anymore? Mar 02 21:02:17 yes definitely Mar 02 21:02:37 looking at the description of mp-fremantle-community-pr: Mar 02 21:02:44 Replaces: mp-fremantle-generic-pr, mp-fremantle-203-pr, mp-fremantle-002-pr, mp-fremantle-003-pr Mar 02 21:02:48 I wonder if that needs a: Mar 02 21:02:51 why on earth does it depend on mp-fremantle-generic-pr anyway Mar 02 21:02:53 Provides: mp-fremantle-generic-pr Mar 02 21:03:00 ok that's a better question Mar 02 21:03:06 merlin1991: because it requires PR1.2 Mar 02 21:03:08 or newer Mar 02 21:03:24 well it could depend on the actual component it needs to have @ pr1.2 level Mar 02 21:03:30 indeed Mar 02 21:03:38 and not the specific metapackage for the system Mar 02 21:03:42 exactly Mar 02 21:03:47 because it doesn't need the whole PR1.2 system Mar 02 21:03:51 just a couple of new packages maybe Mar 02 21:04:03 well ... as I am not the developer of mymenu, I am looking for an easier solution for my problem Mar 02 21:04:11 so you should rant via email to the author of mymenu Mar 02 21:04:12 edit the deb Mar 02 21:04:16 what is mymenu for anyway Mar 02 21:04:25 Change the menu structure of Maemo 5 include a update funktion for new Apps Mar 02 21:04:33 its like categorise or ApMeFo Mar 02 21:04:40 then install ApMeFo, it's superior Mar 02 21:04:54 but harder to use ... Mar 02 21:05:09 Flyser__, just edit the .deb file Mar 02 21:05:33 if you have Scratchbox, apt-get source mymenu Mar 02 21:05:37 then modify the debian/control file Mar 02 21:05:43 then fakeroot dpkg buildpackage -b Mar 02 21:05:51 then scp the .deb to your phone Mar 02 21:05:55 then dpkg -i .deb file Mar 02 21:06:18 I don't think you can vi the .deb file or can you merlin1991 ? Mar 02 21:06:25 *sigh* Mar 02 21:06:32 Sc0rpius, you can't vi it but unpack and repack Mar 02 21:07:16 I think we all agree it's mymenu's fault Mar 02 21:07:36 :D Mar 02 21:07:41 Sc0rpius, The internals of this Debian binary packages format are described in the deb(5) manual page. This internal format is subject to change (between major releases of Debian GNU/Linux), therefore please always use dpkg-deb(1) if you need to do lowlevel manipulations on .deb files. Mar 02 21:08:15 deb files are .ar files, so one can unpack them using the ar utility Mar 02 21:08:34 or dpkg-deb :D Mar 02 21:08:46 right ;) Mar 02 21:11:54 dpkg --force-depends ? Mar 02 21:12:09 --force-all Mar 02 21:12:26 f--force-galaxy Mar 02 21:13:06 --force-of-the-dark-side Mar 02 21:15:31 dpkg --force-cookies Mar 02 21:15:45 --force-bacon Mar 02 21:15:57 Force Bacon sounds like the best jedi power Mar 02 21:16:00 Sc0rpius: btw. why is ApMeFo superior Mar 02 21:16:11 beacon... Mar 02 21:16:12 hmmmm Mar 02 21:16:18 kerio: nah, that's where they get the force from Mar 02 21:16:23 eating force bacon. Mar 02 21:16:33 dunno, maybe because it's the one everybody uses? Mar 02 21:16:42 I like it Mar 02 21:16:48 kerio, yoda uses the power of the force to flip bacon rashers without using them littlefork things Mar 02 21:17:09 try --force-depends like DocScrutinizer says, it's faster than unpack/repack Mar 02 21:28:14 I have a computer and n900 connected to an access point. The computer is connected via ethernet; the n900 via wireless. Average ping times to the n900 are 235ms. Mar 02 21:28:23 Any idea why this is so high? Mar 02 21:28:56 steve___: botched powersaving maybe Mar 02 21:28:59 disable it from the n900 Mar 02 21:29:04 (to check, i mean) Mar 02 21:29:36 and ping times *from* the n900? Mar 02 21:29:58 kerio: disable power saving on the n900? Mar 02 21:30:03 yeah, for the wifi Mar 02 21:30:32 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 43.678/193.457/359.926/95.127 ms Mar 02 21:30:37 same szenario Mar 02 21:30:52 rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 33.040/97.985/150.770/35.539 ms Mar 02 21:30:53 Flyser__: pinging from the n900 its around 50ms Mar 02 21:30:53 s/z/c/ Mar 02 21:30:54 Flyser__ meant: same scenario Mar 02 21:30:56 no way near your scenario. Mar 02 21:31:24 well I pinged from the computer Mar 02 21:31:30 to the N900 Mar 02 21:31:53 so did I Mar 02 21:32:28 for ping -f : rtt min/avg/max/mdev = 2.214/3.139/62.511/3.107 ms Mar 02 21:32:37 so its pretty much a non-issue Mar 02 21:36:51 great ... apmefo does not work at all -.- Mar 02 21:39:10 is ogg-support in OS2008 not supposed to give you Ogg tags in the player? Mar 02 22:03:06 apmefo does work all great Mar 02 22:03:51 yes I managed to get it to work Mar 02 22:03:57 but the UI sucks big time Mar 02 22:04:11 the GUI is a bit clumsy, but so what? better than editing .desktop files in vi Mar 02 22:04:45 omg this is awesome "Armadillo Aerospace" rocket takes off and lands on it's own pad. http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nATMe_NKgo0 Mar 02 22:05:25 the GUI almost made me think that apmefo was broken and remove it again^^ Mar 02 22:07:21 hm Mar 02 22:12:46 pupni-af-k: i LOVE the retractable landing thingies Mar 02 22:14:24 me too - i was like 'where did those come from?' Mar 02 22:14:34 the thing looks so homebrew Mar 02 22:15:24 really? i thought it looked kinda slick Mar 02 22:15:34 perhaps it's just that it looks "real" Mar 02 22:15:57 rather than rendered for some scifi film or huge and shot from miles away like a Shuttle Mar 02 22:16:16 also, it looks like it's stabilised solely by thrust vectoring, which is sorta neat Mar 02 22:16:29 well yea Mar 02 22:17:14 BCMM, they removed the wires in postprocessing Mar 02 22:17:30 ahahahh Mar 02 22:17:34 and took off the thunderbirds decals Mar 02 22:17:45 actually it looks like you can see it vectoring quite aggressively around 50s Mar 02 22:18:05 BCMM, well you would vector quite aggressively if you were falling from the sky Mar 02 22:18:11 it somehow seems amazing to me, just because it's kinda like balancing a stick on your nose or something Mar 02 22:18:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=XVR5wEYkEGk Mar 02 22:18:42 Pencil Balancer using Vision Input (DVS) only Mar 02 22:18:44 i balanced a canoe on my chin once Mar 02 22:18:50 lcuk: same sort of amazing Mar 02 22:19:17 computers with sufficiently low latency to smoothly maintain an inherently unstable equilibrium Mar 02 22:19:19 pupni-af-k, well next time do not go swimming in a canoe lane :P Mar 02 22:19:19 well not a real one Mar 02 22:19:27 ok, i take back the "smoothly" for that last link Mar 02 22:20:46 at an Oxford engineering open day (IIRC), i saw a machine that adjusted an electromagnet fast enough to suspend a steel ball in mid-air Mar 02 22:21:48 (not diamagnetic levitation, just changing the strength of an electromagnet, often) Mar 02 22:21:52 BCMM: i built that myself Mar 02 22:21:58 BCMM: with analogue stuff Mar 02 22:22:06 nothing fancy Mar 02 22:22:14 jacekowski: cool, how does that work? Mar 02 22:22:21 position sensor Mar 02 22:22:31 yeah, that's the bit i was wondering about :) Mar 02 22:22:45 i built it with two lasers and two ldr's Mar 02 22:23:11 oh i see, one detecting that it was too high and one too low Mar 02 22:23:12 so i knew if ball was too low or too high depending on resistivity of them Mar 02 22:23:13 ? Mar 02 22:23:15 ah Mar 02 22:23:16 yes Mar 02 22:23:20 but i've seen designs with one Mar 02 22:24:14 presumably, they just slowly increase the field strength until the top laser trips, then drop it a bit, and repeat? Mar 02 22:24:18 (or the inverse) Mar 02 22:24:48 that's simple way of doing it Mar 02 22:24:52 and it doesn't look nice Mar 02 22:25:04 i was going to ask, does your one look smooth? Mar 02 22:25:07 and if so, how come? Mar 02 22:25:13 ideally you have ball and sensors aligned in a such way Mar 02 22:25:30 that it always covers part of a beam Mar 02 22:25:45 so you know exact position Mar 02 22:26:02 not just too high/low Mar 02 22:26:06 aah Mar 02 22:26:20 it's all quite simple analogue circuit Mar 02 22:26:38 biggest problem for me was making electromagnet Mar 02 22:26:42 then you have an analogue reading of position and can use it somehow to adjust the field in an analogue fashion Mar 02 22:26:57 yes Mar 02 22:27:34 http://www.coilgun.info/levitation/schematic.htm Mar 02 22:27:38 that's simple circuit Mar 02 22:29:06 all these things are like normal magic tricks Mar 02 22:29:19 it's all fun and complicated untill you don't know how it's working Mar 02 22:30:47 ? Mar 02 22:31:04 hello Mar 02 22:31:16 BCMM: have you seen any of these magic shows Mar 02 22:31:27 which magic shows? Mar 02 22:31:28 BCMM: where people walk trough glass and things like that Mar 02 22:31:29 does anybody know how to redirect the mic audio stream through the fm transmitter? Mar 02 22:31:36 or fly Mar 02 22:31:45 and do that kind of shit Mar 02 22:31:53 i've not seen somebody walk thought glass, live Mar 02 22:32:04 (and stuff on TV isn't even worth wondering about) Mar 02 22:32:12 for somebody who has no idea how it's done it's magic Mar 02 22:32:22 i have seen somebody lie on a table, levitate, and have a hoop passed along her to show there were no wires Mar 02 22:32:27 still wanna know how they did that Mar 02 22:32:57 but once you find out how it was done you realise that it's very simple Mar 02 22:33:08 that hoop isn't a full ring Mar 02 22:33:24 everybody knows that Mar 02 22:33:32 sometimes it is, there are many many ways to do that trick Mar 02 22:34:25 Someone broken the maemo.org hamsters and 770 bank? Mar 02 22:37:40 I ate those 770 Mar 02 22:37:57 quite crunchy, yummy Mar 02 22:39:45 damn, I missed those that host the wiki, it's still up Mar 02 22:40:23 As is TMO. Which makes me think CDN Mar 02 22:44:08 microsoft already bought nokia, and we can't to the news =) Mar 02 22:46:40 haha Mar 02 22:54:13 Venemo: pong ? Mar 02 22:54:45 achipa: in which nightly is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-1858 fixed? Mar 02 22:55:19 achipa: it's almost a year old bug, and my week old nightly doesn't have the fix for it Mar 02 22:57:42 achipa: also related is http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTCREATORBUG-3442 Mar 02 23:03:19 Venemo: hm, Fix Version/s: Qt Creator 2.2.0 (current master) Mar 02 23:03:25 achipa: I see Mar 02 23:04:28 achipa: it was fixed on 05/Jan/11 5:55 and my version is built on Feb 2 2011 Mar 02 23:04:35 achipa: so why doesn't my version have the fix? Mar 02 23:05:28 Venemo: but are you 2.2 or 2.1 ? Mar 02 23:05:36 Venemo: date is date, but branch is branch :) Mar 02 23:12:46 achipa: I dunno what branch is this. version number is 2.1.81 Mar 02 23:14:32 Venemo: hmm, that sounds like 2.2... Mar 02 23:14:54 achipa: looks like it, yes Mar 03 00:09:54 anyone got odb bluetooth working with carman? Mar 03 00:13:38 On n900? Mar 03 00:13:58 I have a ODB dongle I plan to play with at some time in the future. Mar 03 00:32:00 * javispedro makes his first hildon widget :D Mar 03 00:42:20 do we need a new linux phone? get spare speakers and battery. n900 rules spacetime. Mar 03 00:45:49 http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/ironcope/v1.png mwahaha Mar 03 00:56:13 what is that javispedro Mar 03 00:56:50 I think you can guess :), a quite simple music visualization Mar 03 00:58:31 pupnik, got your n900 working again? Mar 03 01:00:54 nox-: yes! spiritus toothbrush and oven baking Mar 03 01:01:09 got a torx screwdriver to open and clean it Mar 03 01:01:09 oven baking?? Mar 03 01:01:17 i was impatient to dry it out Mar 03 01:01:24 o_O Mar 03 01:01:39 * nox- surprised that that didnt cause plastic to melt etc... Mar 03 01:02:05 it didn't melt because the temp wasn't that hot Mar 03 01:02:29 anyway glad you got it back to working :) Mar 03 01:04:17 pupnik: What sort of water? Mar 03 01:04:53 tap water plus a lot of accumulated dust disabled the system board Mar 03 01:05:00 Ah. Mar 03 01:05:06 Glad you got it working. :) Mar 03 01:08:26 me too! now i have to replace the speakers Mar 03 01:08:36 nice to be back in the family Mar 03 01:12:01 BCMM: the hoop thing is easy Mar 03 01:12:14 lucent_: go on... Mar 03 01:12:33 Does anyone have this fixed file? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=916799 Mar 03 01:12:55 I dont have the sdk setup and it would seem silly to for just one compile Mar 03 01:13:15 the structural support is a very strong pole or beam pointing directly at the audience and attached to the edge of the table Mar 03 01:13:27 behind the curtain is a forklift Mar 03 01:14:07 so uh... you just distract people while you make it seem like the hoop is passing "through" some kind of wires hanging from the ceiling Mar 03 01:15:58 quadcopters are too expensive Mar 03 01:16:09 a robot on an rc-car is more doable Mar 03 01:16:09 pupnik: openpilot? Mar 03 01:16:36 all the fun control stuff is doable on a 60 euro car Mar 03 01:16:43 buddy I know scored a "seconds" used motorized wheelchar and is controlling that with Arduino platform Mar 03 01:16:49 NICE Mar 03 01:16:58 * SpeedEvil wants to get his UAV up and running. Mar 03 01:17:16 http://www.mauve.plus.com/test.png is as far as I've gotten. Mar 03 01:17:19 I think he paid $200usd for it, minus batteries, and MSRP is over $10,000usd Mar 03 01:18:28 aerial is nice SpeedEvil i agree Mar 03 01:18:39 I have all the bits. Mar 03 01:18:59 One of the 'eggs' holds a CF pod, with all the expensive guidance stuff in. Mar 03 01:19:05 but i realized the freaky robot patrolling around my house can also be a rc car Mar 03 01:19:14 It's designed to take a full power impact at ~120MPH into concrete. Mar 03 01:19:34 * pupnik nods Mar 03 01:20:12 The yellow thing is the motor, on top of that is a prop, underneath thrust vectoring vanes. Mar 03 01:20:59 how do you counteract torque Mar 03 01:21:19 check this out http://cgi.ebay.de/pvl-Hexa-Pro-Aluminium-Mikrokopter-Quadrokopter-Frame-/320663307620?pt=RC_Modellbau&hash=item4aa905c564 Mar 03 01:23:17 pupnik: The vanes are canted. Mar 03 01:23:40 you'll need to vary that with motor rpm Mar 03 01:23:52 pupnik: So each vane is twisted to provide a countertorque, and also provides control through 4 servos mounted at the rim. Mar 03 01:24:05 seems doable SpeedEvil Mar 03 01:24:08 It's basically a vertical climb optimised helicopter. Mar 03 01:24:31 Aimed at getting to ~4Km in 3 min or so, taking a gigapixel pan, and then landing on the takeoff spot. Mar 03 01:24:41 * pupnik suggests avoiding airport scanners Mar 03 01:25:13 any reason I cant PM on maemo.org? Mar 03 01:35:02 SpeedEvil: isn't that a great hexacopter design? Mar 03 01:40:48 1;2c Mar 03 02:53:59 Is this probably a very bad error "end_request: I/O error, dev sdd, sector 8174208" Mar 03 02:54:02 :-/ Mar 03 02:55:41 thats your µSD card? Mar 03 02:56:23 cehteh: it is my N900 storage Mar 03 02:56:35 I'm hoping it was just a bad usb port Mar 03 02:56:36 connected over usb Mar 03 02:56:39 yes Mar 03 02:56:53 though I'm not happy my front usb ports are bad :-/ Mar 03 02:56:56 is that the internal emmc? Mar 03 02:57:03 yah the inetrnal emmc Mar 03 02:57:33 I switched to a back usb port and it seems to be better Mar 03 02:57:49 with the front port it would reconnect every minute or so Mar 03 02:57:55 can also be a bad cable (internal in the case?) Mar 03 02:58:12 these are just cheap ribbons .. they get a lot of noise Mar 03 02:59:15 well mines got the 7 female pin holes that connect to the 7 pins on the mobo Mar 03 02:59:53 lately it's taken a while to write data to a microsd card using my card reader and I wonder if the front ports are too blame **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Mar 03 02:59:57 2011