**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Mar 03 02:59:58 2011 Mar 03 03:00:09 I much rather have bad front ports then bad memory on the phone :P Mar 03 03:00:20 maybe you connected it to 1.1USB ports? Mar 03 03:00:36 happend to me once .. and i wondered why the external 1.5TB drive was so slow :P Mar 03 03:00:51 no, the board is all 2.0 Mar 03 03:01:47 well it seems to be working now Mar 03 03:01:59 I'll just assume the front ports are bad/poor/defective Mar 03 03:02:55 I'll just buy some usb male a to female a cables and mount them on my desk Mar 03 03:15:32 tybollt: god, I wish. :P Mar 03 03:21:50 oh hai everyone Mar 03 03:22:07 anybody remember me? :3 Mar 03 03:22:53 no Mar 03 03:23:29 well, i've been gone since the n900 was announced. Mar 03 03:24:44 what did i miss? Mar 03 03:24:45 xD Mar 03 03:29:09 haha Mar 03 03:29:18 pyther: internal hub Mar 03 03:29:24 jakemaheu: same old Mar 03 03:29:39 nokia starting something they never finish Mar 03 03:29:43 etc Mar 03 03:29:51 :) Mar 03 03:30:29 then abandoning it for winmob... and uhm... makinhg it near impossible for the n900 to truly move forward and all that good stuff Mar 03 03:31:12 hey. i think i would give nokia some points if they allowed n900 owners to flash winmob onto the n900 :) Mar 03 03:32:27 macer: they didn't completely drop support for ANOTHER tablet, did they ;) Mar 03 03:33:06 takes another 2 weeks till then Mar 03 03:33:29 jakemaheu: sure did! weeee Mar 03 03:33:38 :) Mar 03 03:33:46 it's called N950 and meego-HE Mar 03 03:34:20 lol Mar 03 03:35:28 so the N950 will exist Mar 03 03:35:33 but this time they'jj do it right and kill off maemo for good by releasing a last mega-crappy 'update' Mar 03 03:35:51 I don't think there will ever be another update Mar 03 03:36:03 i see that nitdroid finally got some progress :D I remember when I wrote the installer script for that. Mar 03 03:36:23 can you make calls? Mar 03 03:36:33 it was really buggy when I tried it Mar 03 03:36:39 and extremely (unbearable) slow Mar 03 03:38:03 how's mer doing now? Mar 03 03:40:06 mer is dead, long live meego :-P Mar 03 03:40:18 flash news: Meego is dead too Mar 03 03:40:40 long live wp7 :( Mar 03 03:41:03 wp7 never was alive Mar 03 03:41:20 damn what a necrophiles' club Mar 03 03:41:52 * DocScrutinizer51 hugs his N819 Mar 03 03:42:26 err 810 Mar 03 03:43:29 that 51 at the end of your nick is your age right? Mar 03 03:43:33 or maybe the year you were born? Mar 03 03:44:07 rx51 - fool Mar 03 03:44:10 oohh Mar 03 03:44:14 :) Mar 03 03:45:10 I'm borm 1904 Mar 03 03:46:43 internetishard and username root Mar 03 03:46:46 nice picks Mar 03 03:47:22 ll Mar 03 03:47:30 lol even Mar 03 03:48:07 doesn't xchat shoot you when you start it as root? Mar 03 03:48:33 yeah he didn't start it as root, he typed that on purpose in the username field Mar 03 03:49:09 -internetishard- VERSION Purple IRC Mar 03 03:49:13 oh GOd Mar 03 03:49:27 eeeek Mar 03 03:49:46 and yes, he ran that as root Mar 03 03:50:15 or the whole pidgin thing I guess he's using Mar 03 03:50:22 musrt be OM2008 or SHR Mar 03 03:50:39 or another OE based distro :-P Mar 03 03:51:30 dunno, all I can get from that is he's using the purple-irc-plugin for pidgin Mar 03 03:52:02 OE maintainers were so cool they thought on an embeddd device there's no such thing like a user account Mar 03 03:52:13 hehehe Mar 03 04:02:08 Does anyone know if the Maemo package builder is down? I uploaded a package, and it seems to have disappeared. Mar 03 04:04:04 the real bad thing with this concept of "let's implement the basics and a working GUI first, then maybe add user accounts" is now there's lots and lots of apps and processes that never bothered about permissions. A game that wants to access vib directly via /sys is hard to port to a non-root account Mar 03 04:04:48 there've been some 3 or 4 complaints about maemo down or unresponsive tonight Mar 03 04:05:11 DocScrutinizer, Thanks. Mar 03 04:05:32 is there a working google maps client? the GMM on the garnet emulator is on the fritz :( Mar 03 04:05:35 read chanlog Mar 03 04:06:30 jaffa asked who stole the 770 server farm Mar 03 04:07:49 maybe ping X-Fade in a couple of hours Mar 03 05:04:32 is there an email Bible out there for diablo that i'm not seeing? Mar 03 05:05:49 i have recreated one of my two imap accounts for the third time now Mar 03 05:07:33 account stopped responding, but new account now does not update automatically Mar 03 05:07:40 "cannot connect to server Inbox" Mar 03 05:07:44 :\ Mar 03 05:26:34 ah, gconf Mar 03 05:26:47 oh good. and there's my passwords in plaintext Mar 03 05:34:17 bjv: sure, why "obscure" them? do you expect somebody reading out your local gconf without permission? Mar 03 05:38:37 that is completely ridiculous Mar 03 05:38:44 you store hashes, minimally Mar 03 05:39:23 i dont expect anyone to be reading my homedir's keyring file Mar 03 05:39:34 but there sure arent plaintext passwords in that Mar 03 05:39:51 is your /etc/shadow plaintext? Mar 03 05:45:01 bjv: BS, you send hashes to your imap server? Mar 03 05:45:28 no i authenticate over TLS Mar 03 05:45:43 but i expect my imap server stores hashed copies of my password Mar 03 05:45:46 and not cleartext Mar 03 05:47:11 so if some one leaves a hard disk out on the loading dock, there isnt a huge db table of juicy cleartext keyed to names/address columns Mar 03 05:48:04 sitting around waiting to be found. Mar 03 05:48:43 what has your server's email pw store to do with your local gconf (or config files, whatever)? Mar 03 05:49:55 when i transmit a pw, i expect it to be hashed, and compared against a stored hash Mar 03 05:50:08 LOL Mar 03 05:50:17 Well. Moo. Mar 03 05:50:27 when i enter a password into a local app, i expect the app to hash, and store the hash Mar 03 05:51:00 [ ] you understand how authentication mechanisms usually work Mar 03 05:51:02 ok, then I'm fine with spying that "hashed( PW to transmit it when exploiting your mail account Mar 03 05:51:39 honestly, that's weird nonsense Mar 03 05:52:15 if you don't want people to read the data on your device, encrypt it. Mar 03 05:55:23 if you don't want your password to be automatically accessable, then don't store it on device and rather enter it on request Mar 03 05:57:45 touche, that does necessitate the need for storing the cleartext Mar 03 05:57:59 there is no way to store a password locally to use it later, but same time it's not existent in a usable form on same device Mar 03 05:58:37 not with email anyway Mar 03 05:59:42 very 'clever' apps obscure PWs via rot13 or similar nonsense Mar 03 06:03:52 DocScrutinizer51: will meego have user accts? :) Mar 03 06:03:59 i never thought to ask Mar 03 06:04:13 nfi Mar 03 06:04:22 i am surprised nobody ever made a way for maemo to have them Mar 03 06:04:25 I'd guess yes Mar 03 06:04:34 like a plugin or something Mar 03 06:04:39 maemo has one Mar 03 06:05:11 err two, root and user Mar 03 06:05:18 haha Mar 03 06:05:26 plus the usual virtual ones Mar 03 06:05:47 pulseaudio for example Mar 03 06:06:09 OE doesn't have a etc/passwd afaik Mar 03 06:06:50 for sure they have no 'user' account Mar 03 06:07:37 you don't need rootsh or similar, you're always root Mar 03 06:08:39 Macer: some programs on maemo have hardcoded user "user" Mar 03 06:08:59 or hardcoded home "/home/user" Mar 03 06:11:32 haha Mar 03 06:12:11 well... i honestly do hope meego does finally fully work on the n900 Mar 03 06:14:06 User! Stand up! Mar 03 06:18:42 Macer: maemo even has useradd cmd Mar 03 06:19:38 there's virtually nothing missing, except login at boot Mar 03 06:20:03 and proper apps that don't use hardcoded pathes Mar 03 06:42:13 good morning Mar 03 06:43:10 has anyone had any stability or other issues with powerkernel 46? Mar 03 06:43:41 was wondering if i should update Mar 03 06:57:27 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/02/feb_march_microbite/ Mar 03 07:30:15 good morning Mar 03 07:38:52 mornin Mar 03 08:26:41 morning Mar 03 08:36:55 morning Mar 03 08:42:57 is there a hack in N900 to lock it when unlocked just because of connecting a charger? Mar 03 08:43:35 something like call-locker Mar 03 08:44:18 it unlocks??? Mar 03 08:44:32 tends to just ask me for the code iirc Mar 03 08:45:08 ruskie: yes unlocks for me! Mar 03 08:45:17 ruskie: :-/ Mar 03 08:45:19 hey Mar 03 08:45:27 I have a question. Mar 03 08:45:30 or idea Mar 03 08:45:31 or something Mar 03 08:45:44 or nothing Mar 03 08:45:47 hahha Mar 03 08:45:50 :-D Mar 03 08:45:58 ilius, damn, you saw right through that one Mar 03 08:46:15 mece: :-D Mar 03 08:47:23 ok anyway Mar 03 08:47:47 now I have a niggle with my n900 that I figure shouldn't be too hard to fix. Mar 03 08:47:55 or hack Mar 03 08:48:18 problem is that it's annoyingly complicated to unlock the screen Mar 03 08:49:00 this is how I'd like it to work Mar 03 08:50:16 I would like it so that when you lock the screen the touch sensor would still be active, so that if you touch the screen the side to unlock bar would appear. Mar 03 08:50:32 (unless the proximity sensor says something is in it's proximity) Mar 03 08:50:58 I see no reason to have the 2 step unlocking Mar 03 08:51:35 erm... I do... to not get activated by random touches Mar 03 08:51:51 ruskie, activated how? Mar 03 08:52:02 and what random touches? Mar 03 08:52:18 complicated to unlock the screen? you mean sliding the thingy on the right? Mar 03 08:53:23 joga, well actually that is rather complicated for me right now because the little tip on the slider has worn off, but even with the slider working, it's not convenient with just one hand Mar 03 08:53:45 it just requires some practice...I do it with one hand Mar 03 08:53:52 (using thumb) Mar 03 08:55:24 joga, ok I can do that, (or could, i actually can't now, I have to use a nail to unlock now) but then I'd have to reposition the phone back to the one handed after that. Mar 03 08:56:18 anyway, activating the screen by touch is not very good if you think about putting it in your pocket Mar 03 08:57:09 (10:49:42 AM) mece: (unless the proximity sensor says something is in it's proximity) Mar 03 08:57:39 mece, that assumes the proximity sensor is reliable Mar 03 08:59:04 ok, can I'm a little tired here, so I might have written it confusing, but still. "so that if you touch the screen the side to unlock bar would appear." Mar 03 08:59:08 ah Mar 03 08:59:11 side = slide :) Mar 03 08:59:27 but that uses unnecessary power Mar 03 08:59:40 since it needs to power on the screen Mar 03 08:59:47 ruskie, well if the proximity sensor does nothing Mar 03 09:00:00 btw... you can already get to that unlock bar with a single button press Mar 03 09:00:16 just hit the power button Mar 03 09:00:20 then you can unlock it Mar 03 09:00:24 ruskie, yes, I know. Mar 03 09:00:41 ruskie, that is the really inconvenient part. My power button requires a lot of pressure Mar 03 09:00:49 and it's pretty small Mar 03 09:00:52 it does? Mar 03 09:01:29 I use my whole finger... and just gently press it and it activates Mar 03 09:02:06 ruskie, well I use my whole finger and I have to press it hard to activate. if I press it with my nail it works pretty well Mar 03 09:02:20 ruskie, either way I almost never get it on the first click Mar 03 09:03:03 ruskie, and I've noticed that most phones seem to work in the way i described, and do not seem to suffer from it particularly. Mar 03 09:07:32 anyway, I didn't ask about this because I wanted ideas on how to unlock the screen in the current state, but rather, I wonder if the whole unlocking locking bit is open sourced Mar 03 09:08:03 so I can make it so, as Patrick Stewart used to say. Mar 03 09:09:33 my proximity sensor at least is a bit unreliable Mar 03 09:09:43 often I find I've lost some icons while talking Mar 03 09:10:10 or some package manager is open or whatever :) I've messed it up myself when I "accidentally" pushed a nail into the screen Mar 03 09:10:33 but IMO, the phone should do nothing unless I flip a mechanical switch Mar 03 09:13:45 joga, LOL, I don't intend to force this upon you, don't worry. but I really really want it. For me. Mar 03 09:14:34 joga, does your phone answer or hangup when you have it in your pocket, or when you're talking on the phone? Mar 03 09:15:51 mece, sometimes I do press hangup with my cheek or something, but not that often Mar 03 09:16:18 joga, right,, while talking :) missed that one. anyway, the only time the sensor is needed is when phone is in pocket. and not because it would destroy things or start clicking buttons but because it uses extra battery to light up the screen in the pocket. Mar 03 09:16:21 I think the screen turns off like 70% of the time when I'm on the phone but depending how it's aligned on my head it either is on or off Mar 03 09:17:04 I'm not convinced the proximity sensor could even be reliably used to detect being in a pocket Mar 03 09:17:18 joga, if the sensor fails AND the pocket manages slide to unlock, the I suppose it's within the pockets right to wreak some havoc :) Mar 03 09:18:02 joga, do you pocket answer a lot? Mar 03 09:18:12 no, I think Mar 03 09:18:20 joga, then the sensor works. Mar 03 09:18:24 eh Mar 03 09:18:38 the screen is on in my pocket when a call comes in Mar 03 09:18:54 joga, is it? Mar 03 09:18:54 I'm just agile enough to not answer when I pick it up from there :) Mar 03 09:19:17 I thought the proximity sensor was some capacitive thing and not optical Mar 03 09:19:26 if it had multi-touch, the problem was easier to solve Mar 03 09:19:32 heh Mar 03 09:19:43 illius, how would multitouch change it? Mar 03 09:20:30 maybe two-finger swipe or so Mar 03 09:20:31 mece: that differs when thats in your pocket and when your finger touchs it Mar 03 09:21:04 joga, I don't know, but I do know that the screen does not activate when in my pocket. Otherwise calls would be answered or hungup while phone is in pocket. Mar 03 09:21:05 an small part is touched or large part Mar 03 09:21:36 mece, maybe your pocket just doesn't hit the right keys by chance? ;) Mar 03 09:21:50 I can test this easily...hold on Mar 03 09:21:54 joga, sound like something's broken on yours. Mar 03 09:21:56 :) Mar 03 09:22:20 let me try simulating pocketdom Mar 03 09:22:25 :-D Mar 03 09:23:01 a sensored pocket simlulator is needed Mar 03 09:23:22 nah I just wrapped the left half in paper and tried calling it Mar 03 09:23:39 the display didn't turn on, I had the paper tightly there Mar 03 09:23:53 well I just put phone in pocket and called myself, with screen towards outside, the screen was dark until I took it out of my pocket. Mar 03 09:24:18 lol and now I tried calling again and it puts it to answering machine...eh Mar 03 09:24:25 hahaha Mar 03 09:24:39 I had some problem yesterday, couldn't receive calls Mar 03 09:24:44 put it to offline mode and back, then it worked Mar 03 09:25:04 ...now it works again when I rang a third time Mar 03 09:25:09 whatever :) Mar 03 09:25:52 ok...if I place the paper so that it's about 0.5-1 cm away from the sensor, the screen stays on Mar 03 09:26:19 and if it touches or is really close? Mar 03 09:26:26 probably mostly it stays off, but if I'm sitting or otherwise my phone is laying in my pocket so that there's not anything immediately in front of it, it doesn't work Mar 03 09:26:33 imagine drawing a circle with your finger on the touch screen in locked mode Mar 03 09:26:34 mece, then it works as expecte Mar 03 09:26:36 +d Mar 03 09:27:04 that could'nt accidentaly Mar 03 09:27:36 like it zoom in/out in browser Mar 03 09:27:44 illius, I don't think that a simple slide to unlock is a problem either. Mar 03 09:28:14 mece: my nickname only has one L :) Mar 03 09:28:24 ilius, heh yeah Mar 03 09:28:44 :-D Mar 03 09:28:48 ilius, anyway, we were talking about getting to the slide to unlock screen Mar 03 09:29:53 mece: is not just drawing a circle easier that what we do now? Mar 03 09:30:09 ilius, touching the screen is easier than drawing a circle Mar 03 09:30:42 what if you want to hold the phone without constantly avoiding the screen Mar 03 09:30:53 a > 180 arc is enough, and that will never be accidentaly Mar 03 09:30:57 I want to change click power then slide to tap screen then slide Mar 03 09:32:36 You can also use the hardware unlock switch Mar 03 09:33:01 joga, well, if you feel the touch to unlock screen eats too much battery or somehow offends youif activated on those times you hold the phone while not avoiding to touch the screen then I guess this solution is not for you. Mar 03 09:33:20 I also want it to display the lock screen when proximity sensor goes on->off, there is significant orientation change, and the ambient light level goes up. Mar 03 09:33:36 SpeedEvil, yesss! Mar 03 09:33:53 mece, I just feel that any user would sometimes want to hold the phone without starting programs accidentally or rearranging the home screen or whatever.. Mar 03 09:34:11 Optionally when there is no light, and the above conditions are met, and it's nighttime Mar 03 09:34:13 hi Mar 03 09:34:14 joga, slide to unlock!!!!!!!111 Mar 03 09:34:29 * joga reads again Mar 03 09:34:49 joga, everything we've talked about has been about getting to the slide to unlock screen Mar 03 09:34:52 everything. Mar 03 09:34:54 ok so you want it to show the unlocking screen whenever it's not in pocket or in use Mar 03 09:35:02 joga: except for when listening a music using bluetooth headset Mar 03 09:35:06 * mece rips hair out and screams Mar 03 09:35:16 lol Mar 03 09:35:17 ok Mar 03 09:35:21 * mece calms down Mar 03 09:35:26 sorry, I haven't slept. Mar 03 09:35:27 anyway Mar 03 09:35:37 this is waht I want Mar 03 09:35:49 imagine an n900, with screen locked Mar 03 09:35:50 :-D Mar 03 09:36:01 it's black and mysterious. what hides beneath the darknes you might wonder Mar 03 09:36:21 you gently tap the smooth surface that appears to be the screen... Mar 03 09:36:36 the screen lights up with glorious colors, Mar 03 09:37:07 on the screen you see time of day, and a button, with the label, "slide to unlock" Mar 03 09:37:20 and plays a glorious music Mar 03 09:37:30 ilius, well, perhaps :D Mar 03 09:37:31 well basically holding it in your hand often translates to a touch on the screen, at least if you hold it so it's steady in one hand Mar 03 09:37:36 mece: :-D Mar 03 09:37:48 mece, but yeah I'm not saying what you propose is a problem or anything Mar 03 09:37:54 joga, well, lett me just quote myself on this one: (11:32:11 AM) mece: joga, well, if you feel the touch to unlock screen eats too much battery or somehow offends youif activated on those times you hold the phone while not avoiding to touch the screen then I guess this solution is not for you. Mar 03 09:38:03 hehe Mar 03 09:38:05 ok Mar 03 09:38:06 well Mar 03 09:38:21 I just like it more the way it is, that I need to do a *click* thingy to make it take input Mar 03 09:38:37 it's not the most comfortable mechanical slider though, but it works Mar 03 09:38:53 that's what I would like. mostly because my hardware slider is worn out and very difficult to use, and my power button requires a lot of pressure to be clicked. Mar 03 09:39:55 anyway, SpeedEvil, do you happen to know where one should go poking to modify things like these? Mar 03 09:40:05 heh how about using opencv or something to unlock it when you look at it ;) Mar 03 09:40:17 joga, what's that? Mar 03 09:40:22 a computer vision library Mar 03 09:40:38 though the front cam is not good enough probably and it wouldn't work unless it was a bright day etc Mar 03 09:41:19 oh that :D well I suppose the camera would have to be active also, which, I'm guessing, uses a lot of battery. Mar 03 09:41:41 but on a device without the battery issues that would be really cool. Mar 03 09:43:24 make it first check that it's not in a pocket with the prox sensor, then it could listen for a bit of audio to activate the camera to get a pic and if it can find eyes, it unlocks ;) Mar 03 09:43:29 hehe, or not Mar 03 09:43:36 joga :D Mar 03 09:43:58 joga, and it could change the bg image according to the mood of the face it sees! Mar 03 09:47:17 mece, yeah, and call 911 if it looks real bad Mar 03 09:48:17 i'm wondering if there's any way to send text messages from my pc with the n900 is conected to it (via usb) without writing new software ? :) Mar 03 09:49:30 cfreak200: nokia pc suite allows that on windows Mar 03 09:49:42 windows, whats that ? :P Mar 03 09:49:42 cfreak200: I'm not sure about such a sw on linux Mar 03 09:49:57 mhm :/ Mar 03 09:50:05 are the interfaces open/documented somewhere? Mar 03 09:50:10 cfreak200: doesn't your house have windows? Mar 03 09:50:22 cfreak200: I dunno, maybe DocScrutinizer knows more Mar 03 09:50:29 cfreak200, ssh into phone and use this: http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Send_SMS Mar 03 09:50:36 Venemo_N900: you mean those things that are always shut down ? :P Mar 03 09:50:53 cfreak200: heh Mar 03 09:50:55 mece: thanks ;) Mar 03 09:51:22 blueman gives a tcp connection via bluetooth i think Mar 03 09:51:39 but i never did a test on it Mar 03 09:52:06 mece: does that support multi-part-messages? I'm not sure about the specification but those need to be handeld in a special way? Mar 03 09:53:36 nvm, the dbus interface should handle that special case :-) Mar 03 09:54:22 cfreak200, it does? Mar 03 09:54:29 cfreak200, I would have guessed not Mar 03 09:54:48 mece: well i think it does, atleast that would a good implementation.. Mar 03 09:54:58 cfreak, test it Mar 03 09:55:13 i'll ;) Mar 03 10:13:44 does anyone know in which enviroment does the autobuilder compile, ARM or x86? Mar 03 10:16:07 trx, you mean what environment the actual machine is? Mar 03 10:16:43 no, i mean, i am creating a .deb to send to it Mar 03 10:16:51 trx: both Mar 03 10:16:53 i need to know what to put in my makefile Mar 03 10:16:59 both? Mar 03 10:17:00 trx: depending on your rules Mar 03 10:17:04 trx, it builds both Mar 03 10:17:04 you select it Mar 03 10:17:26 trx: it accepts source packages, not .debs Mar 03 10:17:44 yeah, my bad.. Mar 03 10:17:59 soo.. Mar 03 10:18:02 do apt-get source some_package Mar 03 10:18:06 and check how it's done there Mar 03 10:18:22 right Mar 03 10:18:23 package will be built on arm and/or x86 depending on control file Mar 03 10:18:33 jacekowski, you who knows and is annoyed by locked bits in maemo, is the screen lock things closed source? Mar 03 10:18:53 thank you all Mar 03 10:18:54 i'm not annoyed by closed bits Mar 03 10:19:02 i'm annoyed by not working bits Mar 03 10:19:06 jacekowski, ok then. well regardless Mar 03 10:19:14 trx: well, it's x86 in reality Mar 03 10:19:19 trx: and then arm is just emulated Mar 03 10:19:28 trx: but you don't have to worry about that Mar 03 10:20:21 i do because i need to setup the compiler in before building Mar 03 10:22:34 then you assume that you are running on platform that you are building package for Mar 03 10:23:26 haha Mar 03 10:23:30 thats what i taught, just wanted to be sure Mar 03 10:24:04 my laptop is battery is dying without AC, i thought bat was dead Mar 03 10:24:18 but actually it just never charge it Mar 03 10:24:37 Well? Mar 03 10:25:10 Anything new? Anything exciting? Has anyone installed that WP7 beta update to their N900s? Mar 03 10:25:35 I have WP8 on mine. Mar 03 10:25:43 RST38h, i have 3.11 Mar 03 10:25:51 f it, old skool Mar 03 10:26:02 RST38h: why would wp7 be exciting? Mar 03 10:26:08 Hmm. Mar 03 10:26:20 3.11 would actually be designed for about the right screen resolution. Mar 03 10:28:39 w95 too Mar 03 10:28:50 RST38h: there is wp7 for n900? Mar 03 10:29:03 SpeedEvil, yes it seems now with mobile computing we have rolled back time Mar 03 10:29:26 I had to charge the battery quite a few times before windows install completed :/ Mar 03 10:29:30 yeah, only it's not touch friendly Mar 03 10:30:03 jacekowski: Yes, Nokia is seeding it to selected developers Mar 03 10:30:23 Venemo_N900, when your OK button takes up a large fraction of screen anyway, it was by default more touch friendly :P Mar 03 10:30:36 RST38h: share it Mar 03 10:30:43 lcuk: :) Mar 03 10:30:50 * ShadowJK thinks RST38h is full of shit :) Mar 03 10:30:56 RST38h: really? Mar 03 10:31:16 jacekowski: can't. very exclusive. Mar 03 10:31:24 lol Mar 03 10:31:32 RST38h: nobody is going to know Mar 03 10:31:40 RST38h: pics or it didn't happen Mar 03 10:31:45 You just asked for it, on an open channel Mar 03 10:32:06 RST38h: you can send it to me on query Mar 03 10:32:14 Venemo_N900: There was a 3.11 touch-version IIRC Mar 03 10:32:19 Venemo_N900: Or at least w95 Mar 03 10:32:26 heh Mar 03 10:32:31 'pen' ? Mar 03 10:32:55 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Windows_for_Pen_Computing Mar 03 10:33:01 I had a tablet that ran 3.11 Mar 03 10:33:06 hmmm Mar 03 10:33:13 I don't think they'd written drivers for wp7 for n900 especially when MS wouldn't allow wp7 on N900 hardware anyway Mar 03 10:33:21 The screen was about A4 size, Mar 03 10:33:58 Think it had a 16 shade monochrome display Mar 03 10:34:09 ShadowJK: yeah, n900 lacks the windows button Mar 03 10:34:26 And doesnt ms demand qualcomm anyways? Mar 03 10:34:33 it does sorta have CTRL + ALT + DEL :D Mar 03 10:35:44 ShadowJK: dunno Mar 03 10:36:08 I'm pretty sure RST38h is running wordperfect on his N900 ;) Mar 03 10:36:11 wordperfect 7 Mar 03 10:39:58 lol ShadowJK Mar 03 10:40:03 achipa: ping Mar 03 10:42:54 ShadowJK: It is running in VMware compat layer! Mar 03 10:43:16 * RST38h still finds it amusing that MS has not been able to port their stuff beyond quallcom Mar 03 10:45:54 RST38h: i thought qualcomm is arm too Mar 03 10:48:18 anyway, I have to leave now Mar 03 10:48:24 byebye Mar 03 10:48:45 GAH! Mar 03 10:48:56 why the frack is osso-systemui-tklock closed? Mar 03 10:50:17 Because it might be useful to a phone vendor. Mar 03 10:52:05 I think its actually patents :/ Mar 03 10:52:09 SpeedEvil, Oh yeah, I forgot, n900 is the only touch screen device that can lock the screen. Mar 03 10:52:24 I'll leave you to figure out who is suing who about that :P Mar 03 10:52:32 Venemo: that is the funny part Mar 03 10:53:01 Quallcom *is* ARM, so they appear to be dependent on some feature of the Quallcom SoC. Their 3D hw maybe? Mar 03 10:53:54 RST38h, how embarassing Mar 03 11:07:42 RST38h, well even if arm core is same, it starts getting different already at the memory controller... Mar 03 11:15:10 Robot101: why would anybody need a source to enforce a paent that's regularly about operation principles, not about implementation? Mar 03 11:17:39 or why would you keep your source closed if you already got a patent on it? Mar 03 11:18:26 I have no idea Mar 03 11:25:29 The patentholder may only licence closed source implementations. Mar 03 11:26:23 Hello ! Mar 03 11:26:33 SpeedEvil: :-/ yup Mar 03 11:27:19 so your prev. statement makes even more sense Mar 03 11:34:41 hi, I would like to start developing on N900 Mar 03 11:35:14 I have seen the wiki page about sdk installation, but also noticed the maemo-sdk+ packages Mar 03 11:35:25 which one is prefered ? Mar 03 11:36:07 someone just said to me that ipad is cooler than n900 Mar 03 11:36:49 ZogG_laptop, wow Mar 03 11:37:33 mece, abraca and xmms2 dev Mar 03 11:37:46 let's lynch him Mar 03 11:42:48 ZogG_laptop: I helped a dude who has the same telco provider as me to setup fmms. He says he takes his iPad everywhere Mar 03 11:42:54 I don't get it really Mar 03 11:43:17 I want to get a mouse and a keyboard for the N900 so I can use it as a UMPC Mar 03 11:44:03 lolcat, next time bring your PC and say to him, my PC is cooler than your iPad i take it everywhere Mar 03 11:45:13 ZogG_laptop: I never move my pc. When I study I write what I need on the N900 Mar 03 11:45:56 lolcat, just to proove him he is wrong do this Mar 03 11:46:36 ZogG_laptop: I can't think of a single reason to take a iPad somewhere except from the advantage of a bigger screen... Mar 03 11:46:46 The N900 has everything I need Mar 03 11:46:56 that is my point Mar 03 11:47:02 u can't put ipad in pocket Mar 03 11:47:23 i take my meego devices with me, n900 for writing on, ideapad for sitting at side of me as wallboard/reminder thingy Mar 03 11:47:53 lcuk, but ipead is more like netbook Mar 03 11:47:58 lolcat: I have an SU-8W as a better keyboard. didn't get around to testing it much though Mar 03 11:48:01 while ipad is just huge ipod =) Mar 03 11:48:07 ZogG_laptop, the keyboard makes for an efficient stand Mar 03 11:48:23 lcuk, and u got it for free, i hate you =) Mar 03 11:48:24 http://liqbase.net/liq.meego.r&d.n900.and.ideapad.fullspeed.20110220_011.jpg Mar 03 11:48:26 i want one too Mar 03 11:48:49 So what do you guys think the chances of getting meego up and running on this http://cgi.ebay.com.au/SULI-SL-7i-ANDROID-2-2-TABLET-PC-SLATE-FLASH-3G-3D-NEW-/230589306449?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_15&hash=item35b0319651#ht_8851wt_1141 Mar 03 11:48:51 iPad is for frisbee Mar 03 11:48:52 ZogG_laptop, meh, your devices are what you make them to be Mar 03 11:49:07 Samsung cortex A8 Mar 03 11:50:21 ZogG_laptop, Intel opened up device program for meego Mar 03 11:50:30 ipad isn't cortex a8/a9, is it? Mar 03 11:50:33 so if you have an awesome idea you could possibly get one for free too :P Mar 03 11:51:16 lcuk, no meetings in israel and i'm too useless to get free ideapad Mar 03 11:51:31 ShadowJK, I'm not sure. Mar 03 11:51:37 ShadowJK, I thought it was. Mar 03 11:52:16 ZogG_laptop, http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-community/2011-March/003632.html Mar 03 11:52:25 who said anything about ideapad? Mar 03 11:52:28 dm8tbr: Bluetooth keyboard?̈́ Mar 03 11:52:49 lolcat: yes Mar 03 11:52:56 zutesmog: wrong chanel... go -> #meego Mar 03 11:53:12 rarely anyone one there. ;-( Mar 03 11:53:29 * dm8tbr calls BS on that Mar 03 11:53:48 ** #maemo 429 Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ Mar 03 11:53:49 dm8tbr: It looks good Mar 03 11:53:52 429 people here Mar 03 11:53:56 well asked yesterday and no one had any ideas. Mar 03 11:54:04 zutesmog: doesn't help that this is a maemo chan^^ Mar 03 11:54:15 zutesmog: Maybe nobody knows? Mar 03 11:54:17 on meego, sorry, meego was mentioned Mar 03 11:54:33 yep looking for ideas, not definitive answers. Mar 03 11:55:06 and you guys where talking meego here so I didn't think it out of place. Mar 03 11:55:07 zutesmog: look into platform specs and if it is arm cortex at least that is supported yet Mar 03 11:55:17 dm8tbr: How much resitance is it when you write on it? Mar 03 11:55:37 platform specs suggest it could work, but I won't mention such things here ever again Mar 03 11:55:48 zutesmog: you may have a descent driver lack Mar 03 11:56:34 zutesmog: we cannot do anything more than guide you to self-enlightenment Mar 03 11:56:57 lcuk, i do want free device, but i'm not a such bad person, though i want to develop, but it would take me a long way to even call myself shitty developer =) Mar 03 11:57:06 so no meeGo for me Mar 03 11:57:07 if looking for specific device information for meego compatibility Mar 03 11:57:08 chem|st: thats all I was looking for. Mar 03 11:57:17 ZogG_laptop, I am a visual basic developer Mar 03 11:57:49 lolcat: spent next to zero time playing with it. it's almost too small for touch typing, so will only know after I try for a while if my fingers are too thick ;) Mar 03 11:57:54 zutesmog: and anything worth mentioning should go to #meego and wiki.meego Mar 03 11:58:18 lcuk, i'm no developer at all Mar 03 11:58:25 lcuk, http://zogg.lex.io/?p=7 Mar 03 11:58:36 dm8tbr: I migth go for a cheaper M$ keyboard then, it is bigger but still small enough to put in a bad without it being to heavy Mar 03 11:58:41 lcuk: have you tried mental therapy yet? Mar 03 11:58:46 ZogG_laptop, some people would say that VB is not development either Mar 03 11:59:30 lcuk, anything > nothing, right? Mar 03 12:00:36 lolcat: paired it to the laptop. it feels smallish, but I am already touch typing with it Mar 03 12:01:00 not at my usual 300 plus speed ofc Mar 03 12:01:02 dm8tbr: I used to write on an EEE 10,1" Mar 03 12:01:25 eee might be eeven smaller Mar 03 12:01:32 bbl. meeting Mar 03 12:01:42 Not sure if I want real size or tiny. The reason I dont want my laptop is because it is heavy and I don't want to carry it around Mar 03 12:03:11 ruskie, http://dl.dropbox.com/u/2336306/fresh_0.0.1_armel.deb Mar 03 12:05:16 does facebook chat still work? Mar 03 12:06:26 i use it with jabber Mar 03 12:08:40 moo Mar 03 12:09:01 µ to you sir Mar 03 12:09:27 kerio, gives me authentication failed Mar 03 12:09:29 meh Mar 03 12:11:19 lolcat: this folds and fits in my pocket Mar 03 12:17:07 dm8tbr: That sure is an advantadge Mar 03 12:17:19 But I have to write as fast as my prof. speaks Mar 03 12:17:53 hm.. the my-maemo guys are quite hardworking... Mar 03 12:18:18 lolcat: touch typing is a requirement then anyway Mar 03 12:18:19 javispedro, & Mar 03 12:18:21 ?* Mar 03 12:18:37 making a screenshot of every new extras-devel app... Mar 03 12:18:45 dm8tbr: Yes, I can't do it on the N900 keyboard Mar 03 12:20:21 javispedro, do they up it to maemo garage or maemo packages page? Mar 03 12:20:52 lolcat: something like the su-8w might be a good compromise then Mar 03 12:20:53 I do not think any of those pages accept screenshots. Mar 03 12:21:13 now, as for the download page... =) Mar 03 12:21:59 lolcat: it might not be easy to find one to try out though. but you'd only know after using it for a while anyway Mar 03 12:29:41 dm8tbr: I haven't found one of those anywhere in Norway... Mar 03 12:31:59 Ipad is so crap :) Mar 03 12:32:17 Lol Mar 03 12:32:47 I take two tech thingis with me all the time Mar 03 12:33:05 : n900 and the gameboy Mar 03 12:33:11 (dmg) Mar 03 12:33:34 Do you use the N900 as a phone? Mar 03 12:33:38 !!! ... Lsdj :) !!!!!! Mar 03 12:33:54 lolcat: n900 works very well as a phone. Mar 03 12:33:57 Nono just like a netbook ..! Mar 03 12:34:19 best one I ever had. Mind you, I only had Symbian before. Mar 03 12:34:55 My iPhone-using SO was even a little envious of it. Mar 03 12:34:57 ;) Mar 03 12:35:01 Or for 3g/wlan internet or navigating ... Mar 03 12:35:20 the only thing i dont like about the "phone app" is that i cant see signal level while its ringing.. Mar 03 12:35:44 besides that, its a perfectly good phone Mar 03 12:36:03 I feel sory for evry iphone or ipad user or evry apple product ingennerel Mar 03 12:36:06 :) Mar 03 12:38:04 N900 !!! (For evrything in the digital world " E V E R Y T H I N G " ..! Mar 03 12:38:39 ... And i do partys with nintendo gameboy's ! Mar 03 12:38:43 :p Mar 03 12:38:48 Veggen: Battery life is a bit less than what I am comfortable about Mar 03 12:39:20 ... Thats why i bought 2more accus forthe n900 ..! Mar 03 12:39:22 :) Mar 03 12:39:40 For bigger trips :) Mar 03 12:39:40 accus? Mar 03 12:39:45 fladnag: you have a external charger for those ? :P Mar 03 12:39:51 Batterys Mar 03 12:39:52 anybody know where i can get the windows tablet video encoder? Mar 03 12:40:04 nokia's site says it has been archived Mar 03 12:40:09 Its ordered ..! Mar 03 12:40:22 fladnag: I have considered it, but I have to set the time every time I change the battery... Mar 03 12:40:30 (ext charger for bl-5j) Mar 03 12:40:40 fladnag: you've a link ? Mar 03 12:40:43 ??? Mar 03 12:40:50 Time set?? Mar 03 12:41:17 The n900 can stay on while changing the battery ! Mar 03 12:41:21 :) Mar 03 12:41:42 Shell: root! Mar 03 12:41:57 Then : stop bme! Mar 03 12:42:29 Than you have 30sec to change the battery Mar 03 12:42:30 so, nobody to tell me which one should be used to start developing on the n900: maemo sdk (sbox 1.x) or maemo sdk+ (sbox 2.x) ? Mar 03 12:42:32 fladnag: No, it can't? Mar 03 12:42:42 ?? Mar 03 12:42:51 I do it allthe time like that Mar 03 12:42:53 I can run the N900 for 30 seconds without the battery? Mar 03 12:43:11 lolcat: with the charger attached i think.. Mar 03 12:43:14 ( because the external charger is late :p ) Mar 03 12:43:28 Jes :) Mar 03 12:43:49 With the chrarger attached :) Mar 03 12:43:59 ... Mar 03 12:44:00 Didn't work here... Mar 03 12:44:05 :p Mar 03 12:44:29 I was offered another N900, maybe I should buy it and have two of it Mar 03 12:44:53 There are SOME pages obout that battery related crap for our beloved n900 on maemo.org ..! Mar 03 12:44:58 ah. found it. nm Mar 03 12:45:09 Does anyone know how a mouse would work in maemo? Mar 03 12:45:22 invisible ^^ Mar 03 12:45:26 idle batter life is pretty good Mar 03 12:45:31 battery Mar 03 12:45:34 If its cheap - do it ! Mar 03 12:45:47 Macer: The N900 is like boobs, you can't stop fiddeling with em... Mar 03 12:45:50 lolcat, what does mean 'how'? Mar 03 12:45:51 use battery life is a little on the down side depending on how you use it Mar 03 12:45:54 :) Mar 03 12:45:56 is there any official statement about the usb charging issue ? Mar 03 12:45:58 lolcat: i know heh Mar 03 12:46:01 Lol boobs :) Mar 03 12:46:12 divan0: Do I see a mouse pointer? Can I use it to navigate? Mar 03 12:46:12 i thought it lasted a long time tho considering Mar 03 12:46:35 lolcat, yep, you see pointer. Navigate where? Mar 03 12:46:35 There is a mousepointer app ..! Mar 03 12:46:42 apt-get install extmou Mar 03 12:46:47 Mine was bougth as a display model, so it had been used for a while, so I guess the battery is worn out. Mar 03 12:46:58 divan0: Like between IM windows and SMS Mar 03 12:47:09 and my notes Mar 03 12:47:40 lolcat: sucks Mar 03 12:48:14 hmm, this is #maemo right? Mar 03 12:48:48 MohammadAG: yep, but it could ne #n900 aswell ;) Mar 03 12:49:53 lolcat, all you can click/navigate with finger/stylus, you'll be able to do with mouse (+ visible pointer). Mar 03 12:49:55 seems like #boobs to me Mar 03 12:50:01 hah Mar 03 12:50:57 hello all, do you know if i can setup luminosity of n900 to save the battery ? Mar 03 12:51:36 niala1: Settings? Mar 03 12:52:41 btw is there a way to hide mouse pointer after external hid was disconnected? Mar 03 12:55:29 lolcat: thank you, sorry. it was so evident, i haven't :)saw Mar 03 12:56:09 niala1: I was afraid I wasn't specific enough, but it is quite easy to find it Mar 03 12:57:02 Mohammadag: are there news about h-e-n & charging the n900 ? ...Besides the battery-mods where a charger is directly connected to the battery inside the n900 ... ?? Mar 03 12:58:13 Or does anyone know ? Mar 03 13:00:15 And mohammadag : do you know if there is a way to PERMANENTLY "kick/delete/or whatever to get rid of" the "trackerd" or "tracker" ?? Mar 03 13:01:06 ... The tracker-cfg seems to be not helpfull Mar 03 13:01:49 ... I sortof disabled the fuckin tracker there and it pops up like bevore ..! Mar 03 13:02:12 Sometimes for longer periods Mar 03 13:02:30 Its so bad for batterylife and performnce ... Mar 03 13:02:41 I cant stand it anymore Mar 03 13:03:02 What does trackerd do? Mar 03 13:04:00 Filesystem-accses and such was so much faster on my old palm-zodiac and t5 ... ! Its a shame ! (Cortex ..... :p ) Mar 03 13:04:16 Trackerd ??? Mar 03 13:05:40 tracker indexes (is that the word?) your files and its metadata. e.g. for songs. Mar 03 13:05:51 Some fucking bitching process wich starts evry time ithink when even the smallest change of settings or the filesystem on the n900 happens ..! Mar 03 13:06:24 settings? not really. filesystem: yes. Mar 03 13:06:42 I cant stand it anylonger Mar 03 13:06:47 Realy Mar 03 13:06:54 Its sooo boring Mar 03 13:07:11 fladnag, haven't worked on h-e-n for a while Mar 03 13:07:15 too much stuff on my hands Mar 03 13:07:33 fladnag, the media player won't work without tracker Mar 03 13:07:40 or the image viewer Mar 03 13:07:51 tracker's concept is cool, badly executed though Mar 03 13:08:16 Not even "external" players or viewers ??? Mar 03 13:08:41 Aaaaargh Mar 03 13:09:47 fladnag: battery mods? WTF? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203 Mar 03 13:09:57 There has to be a way around the dear tracker Mar 03 13:22:44 Docscrutinizer: ithink im confused rightknow : how many pins does the micro-usb-port has ? is there a way to let the current flow in both directions i mean from the n900 to a device (for hosting) and also to the n900 (for charging) with some sort of adapter and settings ?? Mar 03 13:24:01 I hate nokia for the fact that ther is no ordinary charging port on the n900 !!! Mar 03 13:24:18 (besides the micro-usb-port) Mar 03 13:24:30 MohammadAG, watching your music player code, can u tell me where did u use signals and slots so i'll watch it as an example Mar 03 13:24:48 (wich is for data connections !!!!) Mar 03 13:24:57 why not both Mar 03 13:25:10 fladnag, erm... data connection == wifi ;) usb == charge Mar 03 13:25:11 Both what? Mar 03 13:25:18 it would be called "ordinary" if all phones had one :) Mar 03 13:25:21 and yes you should be able to both charge and use it for data Mar 03 13:25:58 R u aware of "h-e-n" ? Mar 03 13:26:27 And that harddrives or usb-sticks need power to be hosted ?? Mar 03 13:26:35 isn't that sort of like the nuggets' parents or something Mar 03 13:26:43 ow you mean that plug your usb device in... Mar 03 13:26:51 if you want an arm box for that I'd suggest a touchbook Mar 03 13:26:53 ?.. Mar 03 13:27:02 "And then there's the N8 OTG adapter that you can file to shape. Mar 03 13:27:04 Blabla Mar 03 13:27:07 :p Mar 03 13:27:18 I think I will get a N8 OTG cable then Mar 03 13:27:30 Or does dealxtreme have anything like it? Mar 03 13:29:05 http://cgi.ebay.com/mini-USB-OTG-Host-cable-Nokia-N8-sub-CA-157-/260745342784?pt=LH_DefaultDomain_0&hash=item3cb5a22f40 Mar 03 13:30:35 4USD and free shipping, the image doesn't look anything like it though Mar 03 13:31:15 X-Fade, any chance you can nudge the libliqbase 0.3.67 please Mar 03 13:32:04 wordwell Mar 03 13:32:24 working on encoding videos for my n900 to take with me on a couple flights on saturday Mar 03 13:32:27 lolcat: that's a micro-a cable most likely Mar 03 13:32:28 :) Mar 03 13:32:35 good thing tablet-encode makes some pretty nice videos Mar 03 13:33:00 Lol what doyou want with that :) ???? To be limited or someting ? What a sick joke Mar 03 13:33:23 dm8tbr: I found one that claims it is for a N8, but looks the same as a threadd on the forum, and it is only 4USD so I guess if it is wrong it doesn't really mather Mar 03 13:33:41 lolcat: with $20 shipping? :) Mar 03 13:34:09 lolcat: well you can mechanically adapt a micro-a to fit into a micro-b. that's most likely what they are talking about Mar 03 13:35:03 oh, fascinating, the N8 really has an micro-a/b port. just checked. never noticed. Mar 03 13:35:18 Macer: Free shipping world wide Mar 03 13:35:42 dm8tbr: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=877938&postcount=399 I think this is the same one Mar 03 13:35:54 Arent you aware of the "micro-usb to normal female usb"-cable ?? ... So you can put in any cable you want ... !?! Mar 03 13:36:11 (also mini usb) Mar 03 13:37:35 fladnag: I just want a hostmode cable, I don't know where to get one, I am in Norway Mar 03 13:40:47 And that isn't the problem here ! ... The problem is WHILE - ANYTHING is connected (and there are even videos on youtube that show nearly evry possible divice connected (and working) to the n900 (like gamepads,sticks,hdd's,cardreaders,lan-adapters and whatever) the n900 needs to be charged also, because otherwise the fun you have with hosting things is VERY timelimited ..! Mar 03 13:42:01 fladnag: Can't you use a spliter? Mar 03 13:42:21 What splitter? Mar 03 13:42:28 :) Mar 03 13:42:37 Tellme :) Mar 03 13:42:46 Please :p Mar 03 13:43:09 You know Mar 03 13:43:45 probably a hub Mar 03 13:43:50 with a power source and such Mar 03 13:44:16 you only need to provide the data lines to the n900 to actually have it detect the devices Mar 03 13:44:16 Lol probably Mar 03 13:44:27 and power them externally Mar 03 13:44:34 Jeah Mar 03 13:44:34 and use the power pins to actually power the n900 Mar 03 13:44:37 BUT Mar 03 13:44:43 ..! Mar 03 13:45:22 Do you know of a method to acomplish that ? ( That will work) :) ?? Mar 03 13:46:00 Thats exactly the problem ! Mar 03 13:46:44 hacking a microusb cable Mar 03 13:46:51 and possibly a hub Mar 03 13:46:54 A dvd player on the N900? Does it even suport dvds? Mar 03 13:49:14 If the N900 could charge while using usb host mode we could use it as a webserver... Mar 03 13:49:35 or get like a dreamplug/sheevaplug Mar 03 13:49:38 lolcat, it can already Mar 03 13:51:25 lcuk: Can you tell me what to buy to acheive that? Mar 03 13:51:38 nothing Mar 03 13:52:02 its perfectly usable as a webserver out of the box Mar 03 13:52:26 :) ruskie: ...that sounds good, but The only way the hosting works for now ihthink is with the h-e-n app from mohammadag and there you have to turn "vboost" (usb-power-output) on before you can enummerate or mount something ... So ... If the n900 gives power to something, how can it charge over the same lines (at the same time) :p ?? Mar 03 13:52:40 lolcat, just install one of the web servers? Mar 03 13:52:54 !rocket_science Mar 03 13:53:05 you can echo into sysfs, h-e-n isn't exactly needed Mar 03 13:53:08 fladnag, should probably be modified to just require power and data... Mar 03 13:53:10 konttori demonstrated something simple Mar 03 13:53:13 and it cna charge Mar 03 13:53:16 can* Mar 03 13:53:39 QML photoviewer demo on n900 with data from on-device webserver and tracker Mar 03 13:53:43 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VArTvtR4kow&feature=youtu.be&a Mar 03 13:54:08 lcuk: I can install the webserver, it was the charging I was uncertain off Mar 03 13:54:25 lolcat, the web server has sweet FA to do with charging Mar 03 13:54:36 how or why would the two things be mutually incompatible? Mar 03 13:54:47 lcuk: I did say a webserver on a WIRED network Mar 03 13:54:55 lcuk, I suspect the issue here is that lolcat is wanting to network the n900 via cable Mar 03 13:55:11 Hosting websites through wifi is not stable enough Mar 03 13:55:15 lolcat, where did you actually mention that? Mar 03 13:55:35 I implied it Mar 03 13:55:38 14:48 < lolcat> If the N900 could charge while using usb host mode we could use it as a webserver... Mar 03 13:55:42 lolcat, different issue then, the question has nothing to do with webservers Mar 03 13:55:52 * jonwil wonders if this "+ Mar 03 13:55:55 it is "can I use USB for ANYTHING and also have my phone charging Mar 03 13:56:27 this copy of "C++ GUI Programming with QT4" he bought is any good for N900 programming Mar 03 13:56:43 just don't drop it on the device Mar 03 13:59:07 * jonwil wonders if QT has a future Mar 03 13:59:55 jonwil, there's a KDE agreement with QT that if ever it becomes closed source they have the right to fork it under any free software license they see fit Mar 03 14:00:24 it's an interesting approach Mar 03 14:00:52 Right now its LGPL which is more than satisfactory for any open source guys Mar 03 14:02:40 About the only guys who would have a problem with LGPL are those organizations doing closed development... Mar 03 14:03:00 Like Motorola on some of its pre-android linux phones where they used QT but didnt want anyone else doing development for the thing Mar 03 14:03:10 except though a crippled lame J2ME VM Mar 03 14:03:27 I of course have one with a selfbuilt kernel running on it :P Mar 03 14:04:49 jonwil, what about all those people who have GPL Mar 03 14:04:57 like the kernel itself Mar 03 14:05:43 Is it true that there are issues preventing QT from being changed as part of the CSSU? Mar 03 14:05:57 or am I mis-reading what I read/heard somewhere Mar 03 14:06:22 mixing metaphors Mar 03 14:06:24 i think Mar 03 14:06:36 actually I think what I heard is that Nokia cant change QT because of the ovi store Mar 03 14:06:43 change in ways that break the ABI Mar 03 14:07:23 not that I care about the ovi store :P Mar 03 14:07:52 * jonwil wishes someone would do a Backgammon game for the N900 though Mar 03 14:07:57 Maybe I should write one myself :P Mar 03 14:10:14 jonwil, good Mar 03 14:10:30 whats good? Mar 03 14:10:46 that you want to write something new Mar 03 14:12:03 I dont have the skills to write a backgammon game :P Mar 03 14:12:32 but you can start one Mar 03 14:12:52 I dont have the skills for that either Mar 03 14:13:01 * lcuk writes backgammon Mar 03 14:13:49 ok, I have started the liqbase one Mar 03 14:14:14 it might take 10 years until it is finished, but it has a marker already :) Mar 03 14:17:02 UI programming has never been a strong point of mine Mar 03 14:17:41 jonwil, nor mine Mar 03 14:17:50 first version of jonwil backgammon game: http://liqbase.net/liq.20110303_141537.liqtop1.scr.png Mar 03 14:18:09 release early, release often! Mar 03 14:18:21 and the N900 throws all sorts of extra stuff into the mix Mar 03 14:18:25 like hildon* Mar 03 14:18:39 it does on any platform jonwil Mar 03 14:18:48 just try the simplest approach Mar 03 14:18:58 qt tutorial are for ppl that already know c++ and how struct files of it\ Mar 03 14:19:18 let try follow it one more time... Mar 03 14:20:15 Although to be fair, the N900 is a lot more sane than the mobile software stack I was working on many years ago when I did a 6 month stint at Motorola Mar 03 14:20:45 That would have been around the time when the V3 RAZR was the best thing since sliced bread :P Mar 03 14:25:32 Anyone here who likes CHIPTUNES ? (atari/c64/amiga/gameboymusic) Mar 03 14:26:45 Anyone here who wanted the PANDORA at first but then bought the n900 ?? Mar 03 14:26:56 ????????? Mar 03 14:27:00 :p Mar 03 14:27:03 :) Mar 03 14:29:04 fladnag: has anyone ever told you you talk too much? Mar 03 14:50:08 Kein name you stupid bitching lame shit :) no not yet and since i do not recognise you (atleast not as a worthy) you are no problem at all and if you have quietly listen for a while inthis chat, maybe you have a problem that you are afraid to talk about or something equally lame :p (... And so not very intersting) ... You know what this chat is doyou? A place where you can talk to other poeple - mostly tech related but also evrything else ... :) Maybe YOU a Mar 03 14:50:10 re weong here :) ... go play somewhere else ;) Mar 03 14:50:14 * timeless_office wonders if anyone here has bookmarked chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul in their microb browser Mar 03 14:50:23 in case people are curious about how to bookmark it, the steps are: Mar 03 14:50:25 1. load 'about:' Mar 03 14:50:30 2. click the '+' in the toolbar Mar 03 14:50:34 3. click 'add bookmark' Mar 03 14:50:41 4. change the title to 'Password Manager' Mar 03 14:50:55 5. change the location to 'chrome://passwordmgr/content/passwordManager.xul' Mar 03 14:50:58 6. add the bookmark :) Mar 03 14:52:49 fladnag: You definitely talk too much. Mar 03 14:53:00 timeless_office: Handy Mar 03 14:53:14 jaffa: indeed Mar 03 14:53:14 sorry i hadn't mentioned it earlier Mar 03 14:53:27 there are a couple of other similar ones too fwiw, e.g. certificate manager Mar 03 14:57:03 So Mar 03 14:59:46 Does anyone know of a port or something to maemo that comes close to "deadbeef" on the pandora (a musicplayer that can handle nearly any "audio"-format like mod,sid,ape,ogg) Mar 03 15:00:50 I am ofcourse mostly interested in chippy formats, but jeah does anyone ? Mar 03 15:01:39 (thats why i asked about chiptunes and the pandora-console) Mar 03 15:01:56 ... ;) Mar 03 15:04:22 Is there anyone here who has some expirience with this unoptified maemo-port of milkytracker ? Mar 03 15:05:33 ... Mar 03 15:06:03 :p ... Time is on my side :) Mar 03 15:06:21 Lalala timeaftertime Mar 03 15:06:27 :p Mar 03 15:07:01 heh Mar 03 15:10:25 HI Mar 03 15:10:37 I suspect somehow my modest database is corrupt Mar 03 15:10:41 modest keeps crashing Mar 03 15:10:45 CSSU Mar 03 15:11:01 are there any tools to "sanitize" the modest databases? Mar 03 15:11:28 why do you think that it has a "database"? Mar 03 15:11:46 Alien Dalvik, can I get spotify in it? Mar 03 15:13:17 andre__: figure of speech. a filesystem is an hierarchical database for all intents or purposes Mar 03 15:13:31 besides, that is kind of passive agressive no? Mar 03 15:13:32 let it be Mar 03 15:13:36 I'll figure it out Mar 03 15:15:35 timeless_office: (bookmarked) long ago Mar 03 15:17:24 Ok did anyone here manage to screw the filesystem (of the micro sd card ) on n900 somehow, so that an already open txt (in leafpad) was sortof "corrupt" (cant be opend anymore) ... (And it is a VERY important txt) ? Mar 03 15:17:48 What can i do ? Mar 03 15:17:52 is leafpad text stored as binary data or something? Mar 03 15:18:00 just open it with VI or nano or something Mar 03 15:18:08 or "strings" is your friend Mar 03 15:18:33 You think thats possible ? (Just open ...?) Mar 03 15:18:36 fladnag: first of all .. make the filesystem readonly and make a complete image if the sd card, preferably with dd_rescue Mar 03 15:18:39 ... yes Mar 03 15:19:08 odds are write of a flash erasepage of 128k went wrong. then your text might got lost completely Mar 03 15:21:24 if you know some searchstring, then a grep searchstring /dev/mmcblk1p1 might help Mar 03 15:22:07 ??? Vi ? Nano ? Strings ? What are those ? Mar 03 15:23:02 fladnag: ask google Mar 03 15:23:35 trying my luck one more time: whats the gerneral treatment of nokia regarding the usb-charger issue? My N900 got that since a few weeks now and it's getting very annoying -.- Mar 03 15:24:11 if you don't know what strings are you seriously need a girlfriend Mar 03 15:24:18 or some porn.... Mar 03 15:25:06 What are you talking about you jackass ? Mar 03 15:25:41 lol Mar 03 15:25:50 cfreak200: Mar 03 15:25:55 ~ask Mar 03 15:25:55 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Mar 03 15:27:38 Thats realy nice said infobot Mar 03 15:27:56 fladnag: http://lmgtfy.com/?q=vi&l=1 Mar 03 15:29:07 or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+strings&l=1 Mar 03 15:29:41 or http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+nano&l=1 Mar 03 15:31:03 or man strings :-) (which means you need man and strings installed on maemo or it won't really help) Mar 03 15:32:27 so, http://lmgtfy.com/?q=linux+man Mar 03 15:32:49 i used to hate people who link lmgtfy but these days, srsly... Mar 03 15:32:52 or apt-cache search man Mar 03 15:33:22 that means http://lmgtfy.com/?q=maemo and http://lmgtfy.com/?q=apt are also needed Mar 03 15:33:51 good call nidO Mar 03 15:34:19 maybe also goodle about english, gutenberg, and ASCII? Mar 03 15:34:21 channel is perfectly hostile again :D Mar 03 15:34:37 yep Mar 03 15:34:54 well, not my fault Mar 03 15:35:20 162031 if you know some searchstring, then a grep searchstring /dev/mmcblk1p1 might help Mar 03 15:36:04 and no, googling for searchstring won't help Mar 03 15:36:39 Hello Mar 03 15:36:44 How can I force the tracker to run a scan Mar 03 15:36:56 rm the db and reboot Mar 03 15:37:12 merlin_1991: where is the db? Mar 03 15:37:40 also I think tracker runs if you unplug the phone from mass storage mode Mar 03 15:37:57 hmm because I copied 26GB of music and it is only detecting one song :P Mar 03 15:38:43 the tracker db files are at /home/user/.cache/tracker/ Mar 03 15:39:54 also pyther24 did you edit the tracker.cfg? Mar 03 15:40:22 merlin_1991: yes I instaled tracker config Mar 03 15:41:36 cfreak200: as in, you plug in the charger and it doesn't charge? Mar 03 15:42:00 cfreak200: is the USB port on your n900 at a slightly odd angle now? like, not quite square with the hole? Mar 03 15:43:34 pyther24: there are some tracker admin tools Mar 03 15:44:09 Doc, I think he's using one since he said he installed one ;) Mar 03 15:44:54 nah, I meant sth like tracker-foo --reindex Mar 03 15:45:03 hehe, tracker config had an option to restart the tracker and remove the database, that seems to be working Mar 03 15:45:04 rm_work: i plug it in an it doesnt charge unless i put a bit of pressure at the top/bottom of the plug Mar 03 15:45:23 yeah Mar 03 15:45:24 that's bad Mar 03 15:45:26 rm_work: it's about 1mm to get it charging.. Mar 03 15:45:47 in about a week or possibly less the usb plug will actually probably break off and fall out Mar 03 15:45:54 is it under warranty? Mar 03 15:45:57 i've seen the thread at talk.maemo.org about that and wasnt sure what the reaction fro nokia is.. Mar 03 15:46:02 it's not 2 years old yet :-) Mar 03 15:46:18 repair Mar 03 15:46:22 i heard people were finally getting nokia to repair them Mar 03 15:46:28 back up ALL of your stuff ASAP Mar 03 15:46:30 like NOW Mar 03 15:46:54 while the USB still connects Mar 03 15:47:15 applying pressure will make things worse Mar 03 15:47:21 yeah i was searching through the nokia site before my nouveau driver caused kernel panic.. looking for a phone numer atm.. Mar 03 15:47:28 after all it's been the root cause Mar 03 15:47:36 yeah Mar 03 15:48:20 i had to use my friend's n810 battery and wedge it in the battery compartment of the n900 with a stylus so i could transfer my data off over wifi (when that happened to me) Mar 03 15:48:59 i'm on my third n900 right now Mar 03 15:49:08 this one has a dead pixel, but f#&% it, it works Mar 03 15:49:30 i've a crack in the display because the cat thought it would be a toy.. Mar 03 15:49:54 and i'm ridiculously lucky to have convinced them to send me replacements (since i didn't actually buy the phone...) Mar 03 15:50:23 i've buyed that one from ebay.. just hopeing that doesnt make things more complicated.. Mar 03 15:50:31 :/ Mar 03 15:50:46 shouldn't make a diff Mar 03 15:51:17 this f***ing service center search doenst work... Mar 03 15:51:42 and i'vnt had luck finding a phone number for the german service.. Mar 03 15:52:18 nvm i got one.. Mar 03 15:54:06 service center? Mar 03 15:54:28 customer service number... Mar 03 16:03:37 cfreak200: nokia care or? Mar 03 16:04:03 timeless_office: mhm? i havent had a chance to call them yet, will do it after work hours.. Mar 03 16:12:53 is it possible to make call from terminal. like 5468843 Mar 03 16:14:21 yes Mar 03 16:14:44 probably even 2 methods, pnatd and dbus-send Mar 03 16:15:10 see wiki phonecontrol Mar 03 16:15:42 http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control Mar 03 16:15:53 i would like to call a number more and more when other side answer Mar 03 16:16:02 automatically Mar 03 16:16:25 for pnatd: I'd guess sth like `echo "ATD548834"|pnatd Mar 03 16:17:08 minttux: please rephrase Mar 03 16:23:15 i used dbus-send --system --type=method_call --print-reply --dest=com.nokia.csd.Call /com/nokia/csd/call com.nokia.csd.Call.CreateWith string:"$09383866474" uint32:0 Mar 03 16:23:19 but i got Mar 03 16:23:52 Error com.nokia.csd.Call.Error.InvalidAddress: Create call: Invalid Address Error Mar 03 16:26:31 whats wrong i got this code from wiki.maemo Mar 03 16:29:20 Hey, is there some list of apps that drain the battery (in standby) Mar 03 16:30:36 My Standby Time of the n900 is really too short (less than 2 days if I do nothing) Mar 03 16:33:18 flexxxv: that's good, if you're leaving cellmo on ... Mar 03 16:33:53 alterego: I have wifi off bluetooth off and only 2G Mar 03 16:34:13 batterygraph is also not looking right (at least I think) Mar 03 16:34:18 yeah, that's probably alright then Mar 03 16:34:42 And it's not so much apps, it's more badly written desktop widgets. Mar 03 16:35:03 I just removed them... Mar 03 16:35:46 In battery Graph the CPU usage should be around 0, if I dont use device at all, shoudn't it? Mar 03 16:37:37 Dunno Mar 03 16:37:54 But two days is pretty good in my book for the N900, with 2G Mar 03 16:38:53 I tend to use mine quite a lot though, so I've never really done any decent tests. Mar 03 16:40:21 So anyone knows what a good result for powertop is? (I mean how much percent in which C mode) Mar 03 16:40:57 flexxxv: >90% C4 Mar 03 16:41:08 When idle. Mar 03 16:41:23 I have 13% C Mar 03 16:41:31 I have 13% C4 Mar 03 16:42:45 13% C4, 25% C3, 49%C2, 0% C0, 13%C0 Mar 03 16:42:52 flexxxv: I get 4 days on 2G with wifi on Mar 03 16:43:13 steve___: nice :D Mar 03 16:43:27 I know that something is eating my battery Mar 03 16:43:31 I get around 6 days. Mar 03 16:43:37 but I cant find out what it is Mar 03 16:43:38 (if I don't use it) Mar 03 16:43:47 flexxxv: ssh + htop + screen Mar 03 16:43:56 ist the 3g > 2g power consumption difference really that big? Mar 03 16:44:15 merlin_1991: It depends - notusually if it's actually idle Mar 03 16:44:17 I didn't installed ssh for Power reasons :P Mar 03 16:44:34 flexxxv: ssh uses no extra power when idle Mar 03 16:44:40 ok thx Mar 03 16:44:41 what do you mean with screen? Mar 03 16:44:53 screen lets you disconnect from a running session Mar 03 16:45:02 This is useful to use with htop Mar 03 16:45:12 flexxxv: To give you a point of reference. Mar 03 16:45:12 flexxxv: err sorry, 2.5G Mar 03 16:47:05 Speedevil: Could you explain a little more what to do with screen? Mar 03 16:47:53 Sorry - busy ATM Mar 03 16:48:32 does anybody successfully use syncevolution? I can't get anything out of my N900, because it complains about: "[ERROR] addressbook: reading all items: Cannot get contact list: Authentication Required" Mar 03 16:49:30 SpeedEvil: OK Mar 03 16:49:50 flexxxv: I'm assume he's suggesting he runs htop in screen and ssh's in when he thinks something is flaky Mar 03 16:50:29 Why shouldn't I run just htop over ssh? Mar 03 16:51:29 screen means you can reconnect to a running htop, even after a day on the road disconnected from it, and see if any processes have used a large amount of CPU. Mar 03 16:51:34 flexxxv: screen allows a person to persistently run programs Mar 03 16:51:53 ok, I understand Mar 03 16:52:14 hmm Mar 03 16:52:46 ssh+screen+irssi = true love! Mar 03 16:53:55 I'm just running htop. It says for example 25% cpu usage for all and around 8 % for htop.and 1% for ohmd. What processes are using the rest? Mar 03 16:54:36 Cor-Ai: If you move from wifi to 3G it just auto reconnects? Mar 03 16:55:49 flexxxv: Also - reduce the update interval for htop to 1/min, and sort by CPU usage Mar 03 16:56:23 thx Mar 03 16:59:04 #/bin/sh -e -c #get debus session Mar 03 16:59:08 what is that? Mar 03 17:00:35 sorry I mean: /bin/sh -e -c #get debus session Mar 03 17:01:32 steve___: depends on ssh conf, but yeah! Mar 03 17:04:37 ffs how can it be so difficult to read a barcode?? Mar 03 17:04:56 I think I think some apps didn't uninstalled correcly :-( maybee I should clean up /etc/event.d Mar 03 17:08:23 Kernel power doesn't automatically overclock, does it? Mar 03 17:09:37 nope Mar 03 17:10:08 I'm just asking because I got some artefacts Mar 03 17:11:23 anyway battery-graph/eye/foo itself has way too high CPU load :-P Mar 03 17:21:07 DocScrutinizer: better Idea how to monitor the battery consumation? ;) Mar 03 17:21:49 bq27200.sh Mar 03 17:22:17 I thought there was that thing called a battery eye that tracks the battery use... Mar 03 17:34:14 hey guys Mar 03 17:34:47 MohammadAG: hello! :) Mar 03 17:38:36 Venemo, hi Mar 03 18:39:33 hey Mar 03 18:58:24 Hello, if I want to reflash a N900 including the eMMC image, is it correct to use this command? sudo flasher-3.5 -F -f -R -r Mar 03 18:58:58 no Mar 03 18:59:33 divan, ping Mar 03 19:00:22 LuciusMare: sudo flasher-3.5 -F image -f Mar 03 19:00:26 LuciusMare: and then Mar 03 19:00:40 LuciusMare: sudo flasher-3.5 -r emmc_image -f Mar 03 19:00:44 LuciusMare: and then reboot Mar 03 19:00:48 LuciusMare: in that specific order Mar 03 19:01:24 jacekowski: I see, thank you Mar 03 19:01:30 ~flashing Mar 03 19:01:31 it has been said that flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 03 19:01:45 and don't reboot in between Mar 03 19:01:50 infobot is a liar Mar 03 19:02:07 ~DocScrutinizer Mar 03 19:02:07 hmm... docscrutinizer is jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko Mar 03 19:02:25 ~MohammadAG Mar 03 19:02:25 well, mohammadag is your father Mar 03 19:02:32 ~ZogG Mar 03 19:02:32 zogg is, like, a awesome guy Mar 03 19:02:44 haha Mar 03 19:02:50 i'm awesome Mar 03 19:02:52 \o/ Mar 03 19:02:53 yay Mar 03 19:05:25 infobot: no zogg is not awesome at all Mar 03 19:05:26 jacekowski: okay Mar 03 19:05:34 ~ZogG Mar 03 19:05:35 rumour has it, zogg is not awesome at all Mar 03 19:05:46 :) Mar 03 19:07:09 good evening nice people Mar 03 19:07:41 the applications for maemo are so much better than s60 or android Mar 03 19:07:52 because google searches actually yield results, not spam Mar 03 19:16:54 jacekowski =( Mar 03 19:17:07 ~jacekowski Mar 03 19:17:08 well, jacekowski is a cat from red dwarf Mar 03 19:17:58 lol Mar 03 19:19:08 Venemo, hey man Mar 03 19:19:42 Venemo, do you mind to watch over my code and tell me what am i doing wrong? Mar 03 19:19:45 hello ZogG_laptop Mar 03 19:19:49 ZogG_laptop: sure, what's wrong? Mar 03 19:20:22 trying to figure it out how to make a proper slot - signal thing Mar 03 19:20:27 lemme show Mar 03 19:21:05 ok ZogG_laptop Mar 03 19:21:18 https://github.com/funkycode/fresh/blob/master/mainwindow.cpp Mar 03 19:22:06 ZogG_laptop: can you wait some minutes? I'm in the middle of something Mar 03 19:23:05 sure Mar 03 19:24:23 quick question...in the latest cssu...autorotaion on some apps doesnt seem to work anymore....feedingit for example, and my own qt app no longer rotates. Is this known? Mar 03 19:25:53 piggz_ maybe they want to add the thing that checks if app supports autorotation before rotating? Mar 03 19:26:10 try asking at #maemo-ssu Mar 03 19:26:18 k Mar 03 19:28:55 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/03/galaxy-indulge-microsdhc-card-regularly-reports-back-to-metropcs/ Mar 03 19:29:02 Happy consuming, people! Mar 03 19:35:23 ZogG_laptop: looking at your code now Mar 03 19:35:50 ZogG_laptop: what's wrong with the code? Mar 03 19:40:57 * ZogG_laptop pokes Venemo Mar 03 19:44:05 Aww, dammit. http://pastebin.com/sMrJEMzx Mar 03 19:46:43 What should I do now? Mar 03 19:50:55 Please, does anybody have an idea? I am afraid to turn the phone off and try again Mar 03 19:52:20 ZogG_laptop: so, what's the problem? Mar 03 19:53:06 it doesn't compile Mar 03 19:53:14 says connect thing is wrong Mar 03 19:53:23 mhmm Mar 03 19:53:25 ok Mar 03 19:53:27 I'll look into it Mar 03 19:53:38 connect(song_info_new, SIGNAL(get_song_info(QString)),song_info, SLOT(setTextLabel(QString))); Mar 03 19:53:42 that's one i use Mar 03 19:54:35 where song_info_new is new info i get from get_song_info and song_info is one i set in setTextLabel for the label Mar 03 19:54:49 dammit, jacekowski told me I am supposed to flash the FIASCO image first, but http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php says I should have done the emmc first Mar 03 19:55:40 LuciusMare: do fiasco first Mar 03 19:55:44 LuciusMare: and don't reboot Mar 03 19:55:54 LuciusMare: doing emmc first leaves phonein mkii mode Mar 03 19:56:52 ~flashing Mar 03 19:56:53 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 03 19:57:21 jacekowski: that says to flash the emmc first as well Mar 03 19:57:29 LuciusMare: you can't flash emmc first Mar 03 19:57:32 LuciusMare: it's just not going to work Mar 03 19:58:27 I am confused, it's said everywhere to flash the emmc first Mar 03 19:58:49 ehh Mar 03 19:59:25 flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f Mar 03 19:59:30 is phone still on? Mar 03 19:59:31 or not Mar 03 19:59:41 not, and stuck in a boot loop Mar 03 19:59:44 ok Mar 03 19:59:49 or so it seems anyway Mar 03 19:59:52 then you have to flash rootfs again Mar 03 20:00:08 sudo flasher-3.5 -F image -f Mar 03 20:00:25 and then sudo flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f Mar 03 20:00:29 or whatever version you have Mar 03 20:00:34 and then reboo Mar 03 20:00:36 reboot Mar 03 20:00:38 ok Mar 03 20:00:43 just by unplugging it or something Mar 03 20:01:19 you can't brick n900 Mar 03 20:01:39 you can just make it more complicated to recover Mar 03 20:01:46 like for example having flat battery Mar 03 20:02:20 jacekowski: can't it still can charge the battery even if broken? Mar 03 20:02:27 no Mar 03 20:02:39 okay ZogG_laptop :) Mar 03 20:02:45 only if you get it very flat down to emergency charge Mar 03 20:02:54 but then it's not going to fully charge it Mar 03 20:03:11 that's why bootloops are bad Mar 03 20:03:14 I see Mar 03 20:03:29 well, both images flashed and n900 frozen Mar 03 20:03:38 I'll remove the battery and try to boot Mar 03 20:03:39 unplug it Mar 03 20:03:41 Venemo i'm confused how to connect them so everytime song_info_new is updated the other is updated as well Mar 03 20:03:46 and it should restart Mar 03 20:03:47 it is unplugged Mar 03 20:04:04 then remove batter Mar 03 20:04:09 y Mar 03 20:04:24 Damn, still doing the same thing as before Mar 03 20:05:17 ZogG_laptop: /home/Timur/Projects/maemo/fresh-build-maemo/../fresh/mainwindow.cpp:15: error: xmmsclient/xmmsclient.h: No such file or directory Mar 03 20:05:20 Turns on, nokia screen, switches to black, starts lightening up as it'd be charging, reboot, and frozen on the "marble loading screen" Mar 03 20:05:29 I'll try to flash it once again Mar 03 20:05:33 marble loading screen? Mar 03 20:05:34 wait Mar 03 20:05:37 show me your log again Mar 03 20:05:46 ZogG_laptop: what's this? Mar 03 20:05:47 does it say that flashing went correctly Mar 03 20:05:48 Venemo, do u try it in sdk? Mar 03 20:05:48 wait, it asks for a pin Mar 03 20:05:50 yep Mar 03 20:06:00 ZogG_laptop: no, I'm running it from Qt Creator Mar 03 20:06:05 ZogG_laptop: what libs does it need? Mar 03 20:06:22 http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/libxmmsclient5_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb this one Mar 03 20:06:22 jacekowski: woo, it seems to be working! Mar 03 20:06:47 Venemo, unpack it fakesysroot Mar 03 20:07:03 ZogG_laptop: is there also a -dev package? Mar 03 20:07:30 Venemo, it doesn't really matter but yes =) Mar 03 20:07:32 jacekowski: and here we go, desktop... Thank you! Mar 03 20:07:42 ZogG_laptop: link that too Mar 03 20:07:51 ZogG_laptop: -dev packages have the headers usually ;) Mar 03 20:08:36 Venemo, http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/libxmmsclient-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb Mar 03 20:08:55 ZogG_laptop, this is the same Mar 03 20:09:05 ZogG_laptop: nevermind Mar 03 20:09:13 http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/ Mar 03 20:09:15 ZogG_laptop: I see this one is -dev :P Mar 03 20:09:46 Venemo, it's aesy to blame ah? cause i'll never punch back =((( Mar 03 20:09:49 jocking =) Mar 03 20:10:28 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=67079 hello, this is very exciting - a tracker / synthesizer for maemo Mar 03 20:11:24 ZogG_laptop: okay, it also misses something called xmmsc Mar 03 20:12:16 ZogG_laptop: my sysroot contains an /usr/include/xmms2 directory, but it doesn't have an xmmsc directory Mar 03 20:12:30 wait a bit Mar 03 20:13:03 okay ZogG_laptop Mar 03 20:13:08 * MohammadAG waves Mar 03 20:13:19 * Venemo waves to MohammadAG too :) Mar 03 20:13:40 mine does Mar 03 20:13:58 * ZogG_laptop kisses MohammadAG Mar 03 20:14:06 hi Mar 03 20:14:11 * MohammadAG backs away Mar 03 20:14:14 is it possible to run iphone apps in nokia Mar 03 20:14:19 no Mar 03 20:14:43 iPhone apps are for iPhones Mar 03 20:15:04 http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/xmms2-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_all.deb Mar 03 20:15:18 iphone apps sucks Mar 03 20:15:27 ZogG_laptop: that is a client for the xmms2 player? Mar 03 20:15:44 sliri, it should be oneday Mar 03 20:15:49 but ther eis no way to run it? because its Objc ? Mar 03 20:15:55 and nokia phones are symbian? Mar 03 20:15:55 sliri, y? Mar 03 20:16:36 gter: the application would need to be re-written for maemo Mar 03 20:16:55 bah, my machine froze again Mar 03 20:16:59 sliri: well no i mean taking an iphone app and runningit on maemo Mar 03 20:17:08 or any nokia Mar 03 20:17:08 gter: forget it Mar 03 20:17:19 ok Mar 03 20:17:29 but those apps could be ported to maemo? Mar 03 20:17:35 infobot: wegtergergerhger is some random guy with really long nick name Mar 03 20:17:36 ZogG_laptop: okay Mar 03 20:18:27 sorry ZogG_laptop, my machine froze Mar 03 20:18:30 gter, first they have to be open source Mar 03 20:18:35 well the reason i ask is Mar 03 20:18:37 ZogG_laptop: so, what other libs do I need? Mar 03 20:18:40 gter, can u take Y fuel type and use it in car with X type of fuel? Mar 03 20:18:44 second, if they use the iOS API, "port" is easier said than done Mar 03 20:18:46 i saw a youtube vid of someone using iphone apps on a nokia 5800 Mar 03 20:18:59 wow, someone made gnustep for maemo https://garage.maemo.org/projects/gnustep/ Mar 03 20:19:09 Venemo, http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/xmms2-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_all.deb i think that would be it Mar 03 20:19:28 my cell phone can be a NeXT :D Mar 03 20:19:30 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUb0uCzeL8 Mar 03 20:19:31 gter, having an iphone theme is not running an iphone app Mar 03 20:19:39 not theme, apps Mar 03 20:19:51 sure... Mar 03 20:20:12 if you check the video hes running iphone apps on a nokia 5800 Mar 03 20:20:15 how though? Mar 03 20:20:27 ZogG_laptop: I installed libxmmsclient5_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb libxmmsclient-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_armel.deb Mar 03 20:20:30 the video is 404 Mar 03 20:20:31 remote desktop? Mar 03 20:20:38 ZogG_laptop: and it still doesn't find the include Mar 03 20:20:42 Venemo, http://repo.codemages.net/nonopt/xmms2-dev_0.6DrMattDestruction-9_all.deb i think that would be it Mar 03 20:20:56 and don't fall for stupid videos Mar 03 20:21:11 i've tried to edit a link in the browser, i selected the whole text and hit backspace, then typed my own text there, if i click on enter, i see some other portions of the previous link remained in my text and/or my text has been tipped somewhere between the old text, and it happened not only in the browser. so i wonder if it's not a bug? Mar 03 20:21:16 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xwUb0UCzeL8 Mar 03 20:21:27 Venemo it is there for sure Mar 03 20:21:38 i mistyped the url before Mar 03 20:21:57 gter: there are also videos of cars running on water Mar 03 20:22:15 im sure but isnt that guy running iphone apps there on a nokia? Mar 03 20:22:20 ok ZogG_laptop Mar 03 20:22:27 or just a desktop with shortcuts? Mar 03 20:22:29 Venemo, u have 3 debs? Mar 03 20:22:35 e-yes, long time no see Mar 03 20:22:48 e-yes, как житуха? =) Mar 03 20:23:18 работа, сплошная работа Mar 03 20:24:26 ZogG_laptop: ok, I have them :) Mar 03 20:24:31 yay Mar 03 20:24:38 ZogG_laptop: what exactly do you wish to achieve with that connect line? Mar 03 20:24:55 Venemo, i need label to update as the song is changed Mar 03 20:25:04 ok Mar 03 20:25:04 gter, you can't run iPhone apps without iOS Mar 03 20:25:10 iOS only runs on iPhones Mar 03 20:25:18 that's just gdesk, or sth similar Mar 03 20:25:27 ZogG_laptop: you are trying to connect 2 QStrings here Mar 03 20:25:34 Venemo, yes Mar 03 20:25:45 MohammadAG: oh Mar 03 20:25:46 MohammadAG, or it can be vieo fullscreened Mar 03 20:25:52 so he's not running an app per se Mar 03 20:25:54 figures Mar 03 20:26:02 ZogG_laptop: you can't do that. Mar 03 20:26:13 MohammadAG: thanks Mar 03 20:26:33 now, Android apps, that's something else Mar 03 20:26:40 google alien dalvik Mar 03 20:26:44 Venemo but i want =) Mar 03 20:27:01 MohammadAG: those are for android Mar 03 20:27:07 Venemo, than how do i do it? Mar 03 20:27:22 ZogG_laptop: moment Mar 03 20:27:34 yes, I know Mar 03 20:27:58 Venemo, try to help me to learn/understand and not just solve it instead if you don't mind =)) Mar 03 20:28:06 ZogG_laptop: yeah Mar 03 20:28:07 MohammadAG: interesting whats dalvik Mar 03 20:28:11 like a platform/ Mar 03 20:28:17 ZogG_laptop: so tell me, how do you get notified when the song changes? Mar 03 20:28:47 i don't Mar 03 20:29:14 when song is changed the song id is changed Mar 03 20:29:25 ZogG_laptop: so how do you expect to get a Qt signal then? Mar 03 20:29:28 or info i get is changed Mar 03 20:30:00 good evening Mar 03 20:30:10 ZogG_laptop: hmmm Mar 03 20:30:14 thakns Mar 03 20:30:27 i thought it can monitor the certain QString and when it changed it would apply it Mar 03 20:30:43 ZogG_laptop: where is the code that changes the QString? Mar 03 20:31:03 get_song_info Mar 03 20:31:14 do i need to uninstall some apps before using cssu? Mar 03 20:31:33 ZogG_laptop: and where is the code that calls it? Mar 03 20:31:39 which one are critical? Mar 03 20:31:57 anyone had something similar? Mar 03 20:32:18 Venemo, what do u mean? Mar 03 20:34:08 Mar 03 20:36:12 ZogG_laptop: so, in order for the signals and slots mechanism Mar 03 20:36:21 ZogG_laptop: there must be some code that actually emits the signal Mar 03 20:36:31 ZogG_laptop: and the connected slot can respond to that Mar 03 20:38:06 the get_song_info get's different result as the song is changed Mar 03 20:38:12 can't we just monitor that? Mar 03 20:38:37 ZogG_laptop: you could monitor it in every second, but then that'd be inefficient Mar 03 20:39:57 true Mar 03 20:40:19 ZogG_laptop: doesn't the underlying library notify you somehow when it changes? Mar 03 20:40:24 ZogG_laptop: eg. can you request a callback? Mar 03 20:40:34 myriad has leaked that they are working on native library support for alien dalvik Mar 03 20:40:42 'o/ Mar 03 20:40:53 Venemo, i think i can, but i dunno how Mar 03 20:41:04 Venemo, trying to watch over code of other client Mar 03 20:41:17 but it's in c++ and i don't realy understand all of it Mar 03 20:41:28 i would like to work for myriad Mar 03 20:42:23 Venemo, i think i found a solution Mar 03 20:42:25 ZogG_laptop: can you gimme an API reference of this stuff? Mar 03 20:42:37 Venemo, it's pure reference Mar 03 20:42:58 ZogG_laptop: an API reference is a web page where the details of an API are described Mar 03 20:43:07 Venemo, http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c/ - use this Mar 03 20:45:41 ZogG_laptop: xmmsc_result_notifier_set seems to be the one Mar 03 20:45:58 ZogG_laptop: can you tell me what the purpose of this app is? Mar 03 20:46:11 xmms2 client Mar 03 20:46:20 what is xmms2? Mar 03 20:46:30 music player/server Mar 03 20:46:51 you are new to linux Venemo :) Mar 03 20:46:57 first of i want it to control xms2 on phone but next step is to control it on computer as well Mar 03 20:47:01 sliri: yeah, I'm new :) Mar 03 20:47:13 ZogG_laptop: why don't you use mafw Mar 03 20:50:13 i think maybe with dremel tool we can put a BP-4L in a n900 Mar 03 20:52:37 ZogG_laptop: I also recommend 1) If there is a C++ binding, use that 2) if there is not, make a separate class for this Mar 03 20:53:56 1) i don't know no C no C++, but i find myself more comfy using C, and getting lost in C++ very quick 2) i dunno how =) Mar 03 20:54:11 ZogG_laptop: ok, I'll help you Mar 03 20:56:08 ZogG_laptop: here I found an example Mar 03 20:56:30 ZogG_laptop: http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c++/tut6.cc Mar 03 20:57:16 or even the 3600mAh 2xBP4l :) http://www.mugenpowerbatteries.info/epages/es109514.sf/en_AU/?ObjectPath=/Shops/es109514_es120302495377/Products/HLI-E61iXL Mar 03 20:57:22 Venemo trying to rewrite it to c++ now Mar 03 20:57:36 Venemo, the main thing Mar 03 20:59:21 ZogG_laptop, yes? Mar 03 20:59:51 ZogG_laptop, the example I linked shows the stuff quite nicely Mar 03 21:00:02 hmm i think there is some dependy on using c++ bindings i don't have Mar 03 21:00:04 ZogG_laptop: if you begin with the first one, that should be good enough Mar 03 21:01:44 ZogG_laptop: also, if you're going to develop in Qt, get yourself familiar with at least the basic concepts of OOP and C++ Mar 03 21:02:04 trying to =) Mar 03 21:02:56 ZogG_laptop: if you have a question, just ping me :) Mar 03 21:03:21 i do Mar 03 21:03:39 do u know what can be #include -< boost in here? Mar 03 21:03:56 ZogG_laptop: omg... Mar 03 21:04:14 ZogG_laptop: you don't want to get to boost and qt at the same time Mar 03 21:04:56 it's just needed for C++ bindings Mar 03 21:05:05 or this or stick to C Mar 03 21:05:06 ZogG_laptop: well stay with the c tutorial then Mar 03 21:05:13 why? Mar 03 21:05:20 ZogG_laptop: you don't want to get to boost and qt at the same time Mar 03 21:05:31 what's so bad about it? Mar 03 21:05:45 you mean to mix them? Mar 03 21:05:57 or you mean it would be hard for me to learn? Mar 03 21:06:11 ZogG_laptop: if you're new to both C++ and Qt, then you don't want to learn a 3rd thing too Mar 03 21:06:34 do i have a choice =) Mar 03 21:06:51 ZogG_laptop, yes, use the C bindings Mar 03 21:07:19 ZogG_laptop, I can put together the base for you if you tell me what I need on my N900 to run this Mar 03 21:07:55 i have base and it works Mar 03 21:08:05 i mena i have control buttons Mar 03 21:08:13 i just need to get that label changed Mar 03 21:08:23 and still no clue to get the signal Mar 03 21:08:38 ZogG_laptop: so, tell me please what packages do I need to run on N900 Mar 03 21:09:13 ZogG_laptop: I already installed the lib, but it needs some daemon Mar 03 21:09:49 add delete it Mar 03 21:09:53 delete it Mar 03 21:09:56 use optified one Mar 03 21:10:06 ok ZogG_laptop, gimme the correct libs please Mar 03 21:10:27 optified repo: deb https://repo.codemages.net/ opt/ Mar 03 21:10:28 add this repo and install xmms2 xmms2-plugin-mpg123 Mar 03 21:10:44 than from terminal run xmms2-launcher Mar 03 21:10:50 omg Mar 03 21:10:54 I'm not sure I wanna Mar 03 21:11:02 u asked =) Mar 03 21:11:23 :P Mar 03 21:11:34 yeah, but this way I can't test da code Mar 03 21:11:50 Venemo, waaaait Mar 03 21:11:57 i think i have good news Mar 03 21:12:03 ruskie, hey Mar 03 21:12:51 ZogG_laptop: I'm sure you can set it all up with the xmmsc_result_notifier_set function Mar 03 21:13:29 no i don't Mar 03 21:13:36 we still need boost =) Mar 03 21:13:45 devs just deleted part of it Mar 03 21:13:48 what? Mar 03 21:14:06 you give xmmsc_result_notifier_set a function pointer and it will notify you :) Mar 03 21:14:15 it's not in tutorial right? Mar 03 21:14:34 it is Mar 03 21:14:37 I also linked it Mar 03 21:14:44 [21:55] ZogG_laptop: http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c++/tut6.cc Mar 03 21:14:53 oh no Mar 03 21:14:55 this is cpp Mar 03 21:15:04 yes, that's what i said Mar 03 21:15:08 http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/xmms2-tutorial/tree/c/tut6.c Mar 03 21:15:11 this is the C Mar 03 21:15:28 it uses glib too, but just ignore that Mar 03 21:15:29 hmm Mar 03 21:18:19 http://xmms2.org/wiki/Clientlist Mar 03 21:21:11 Venemo how do i ignore that? Mar 03 21:21:28 i need glib to make it work Mar 03 21:22:14 ZogG_laptop: you can have glib if you wanna Mar 03 21:23:30 ZogG_laptop: what's the purpose of xmms2 Mar 03 21:23:52 to listen to music? Mar 03 21:24:13 to learn little bit C, Qt Mar 03 21:24:43 to listen to music, go to the app menu and start media player? Mar 03 21:25:50 i want xmms2 as well i want to set control of media server from phone Mar 03 21:27:08 mhmm Mar 03 21:27:13 okay then Mar 03 21:27:30 if I were you, I would use the function I told you about :) Mar 03 21:28:46 trying to get to it Mar 03 21:35:52 Venemo, as i understand it uses glib for that thing Mar 03 21:36:24 Venemo, would be right for me to use glib in Qt app? Mar 03 21:43:26 what is better : fcam or blessn900? Mar 03 21:43:56 fcam Mar 03 21:43:59 there's just no contest Mar 03 21:44:23 fcam will be better for taking party pictures?:P (Dark, drunk etc.. :P) Mar 03 21:45:50 on maemo5, how can i programmatically find out if the device is idle (i.e. no user interaction for a certain period of time)? Mar 03 21:47:03 fcam *probably* does same as blessn900, just bless is closed while fcam is open and usually after short while you get kernel drivers for recent kernel, while blessn900 I dunno if it works at all with PR1.3. For sure it will get hard to get drivers e.g for powerkernel Mar 03 21:47:36 thanks for explain Mar 03 21:47:42 will use fcamera Mar 03 21:47:43 ;) Mar 03 21:49:35 nota bene you need to install fcam *after* switching kernel, to get the right driver version. If you change kernel, you need to un- and re-install fcam and all related apps Mar 03 21:50:16 yes i know that ;) Mar 03 21:54:23 also: anyone got script for external ip (gprs/wifi) for desktop command execution widget? Mar 03 21:54:47 when i try run widget and in settings set "external ip" Mar 03 21:54:53 widget shows me "invalid command" Mar 03 21:55:03 i was using homeip widget Mar 03 21:55:07 but it suddenly disappear Mar 03 21:55:14 and reinstalling doesnt work at all Mar 03 21:56:01 this can run desktop applications from network? Mar 03 21:57:22 i dont know.. i just want to know why this is not working ;) Mar 03 21:57:23 http://wiki.maemo.org/Desktop_Command_Execution_Widget_scripts Mar 03 21:58:03 okay Mar 03 21:58:06 got it from wiki site Mar 03 21:58:25 Venemo, still around? Mar 03 21:59:58 Hey, is flashlight still draining the battery? (I mean when the light is of) Mar 03 22:00:50 err, dunno about external IP. I got a homegrown script exploiting STUN for this Mar 03 22:01:17 that's *real* external IP, not what your phone *thinks* it is Mar 03 22:01:44 i have my cool webpage Mar 03 22:01:48 jacekowski.org/ip.php Mar 03 22:01:53 meh Mar 03 22:02:01 cmdline rulez Mar 03 22:04:49 GET jacekowski.org/ip.php Mar 03 22:06:23 ZogG_laptop: yes Mar 03 22:06:39 ZogG_laptop: you can use whatever lib you want in a Qt app Mar 03 22:07:44 http://paste.debian.net/109510/ Mar 03 22:07:46 but i just thought would it be more prper not to use glib? Mar 03 22:08:07 ZogG_laptop: it didn't seem necessary from that example, but... Mar 03 22:08:19 ZogG_laptop: if you make a proper wrapper class around the stuff, it can work out well Mar 03 22:08:36 to use glib you mean? Mar 03 22:08:40 yes Mar 03 22:08:45 hmm Mar 03 22:09:08 so i just make function that make this notifier right? Mar 03 22:09:20 ZogG_laptop: yes, follow the example Mar 03 22:09:22 and than instead of all glib loops i use Qt signal? Mar 03 22:09:58 ZogG_laptop: when the thing calls you back, from the callback you can emit a Qt signal Mar 03 22:10:15 ZogG_laptop: if you can't get it right by the weekend, I'll have more time to install the stuff from your repo and look at the app's code Mar 03 22:10:34 thanks man Mar 03 22:11:01 nobody here likes trackers? Mar 03 22:11:18 octamed, fasttracker Mar 03 22:12:00 trackers? what is this 1992? Mar 03 22:12:11 xmmsc_result_notifier_set (result, my_current_id, &udata); Venemo here i connect and listen to callback? right? it can be a signal right? Mar 03 22:12:26 ZogG_laptop: what signal? Mar 03 22:12:33 for me it will always be Mar 03 22:12:40 and now we have amazing sunvox Mar 03 22:12:48 I remember I had ProTracker for my Amiga Mar 03 22:12:56 divan: there? Mar 03 22:13:03 javispedro, yep Mar 03 22:13:05 hi Mar 03 22:13:07 divan: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=959654&postcount=1910 Mar 03 22:13:18 and I think I still have some S3M/MOD/IT files around Mar 03 22:13:20 night,javispedro, how are things? Mar 03 22:13:26 hi RST38h Mar 03 22:13:29 Venemo signal for Qt to make an action? Mar 03 22:13:42 but it's useless now, everybody uses FL (Fruity Loops) or Reason nowadays and trackers are way forgotten. Mar 03 22:13:45 ZogG_laptop: no. Mar 03 22:13:58 ZogG_laptop: you call back a function that you make, and FROM that function emit the Qt signal Mar 03 22:14:07 Venemo, so i got it wrong Mar 03 22:14:09 divan: specially the last parts of my post :) Mar 03 22:15:27 RST38h: pondering where do I waste my time tonight =) Mar 03 22:15:51 IRC, where else? :) Mar 03 22:17:30 ChatRoulette of course Mar 03 22:17:39 heh Mar 03 22:17:47 javispedro, thanks, I got it. Regarding /media/internal/.. Maybe it worth symlinking to a separate dir? Something like /home/user/MyDocs/preenv/internal. or even in /opt/preenv/internal.. Cause MyDocs dir isn't best place for games' trash. Mar 03 22:18:02 "technically" it is not for games 'trash Mar 03 22:18:15 /media/internal is exactly equivalent to MyDocs on a Pre. Mar 03 22:18:22 it is where you store user files, etc. Mar 03 22:18:22 javispedro, now I still use ld_preload, but each game can specify own path via another variable. Mar 03 22:18:37 like docs Mar 03 22:18:44 javispedro, Asphalt5 saves replays into /media/internal/reply.sav Mar 03 22:18:55 * javispedro sighs Mar 03 22:19:05 not /media/internal/Asphalt5/replay.sav or smth Mar 03 22:20:07 iFlops, epic Mar 03 22:20:38 javispedro, if /media/internal will symlink to some separate directory it would be easier to separate maemo related trash from preenv trash ))) Mar 03 22:21:21 trashes to trashes Mar 03 22:21:30 DocScrutinizer: new measurement unit for numbers with a point? Mar 03 22:21:45 shoes Mar 03 22:21:51 ah Mar 03 22:22:05 made of an iPad and a rubber string Mar 03 22:22:54 made of *a pair of*... Mar 03 22:22:59 so you're not rushing out for the latest iJobbie? Mar 03 22:23:15 well iPads prices are probably in free fall now Mar 03 22:23:23 iPad 1 that is Mar 03 22:23:26 nah, I don't wear flipflops either Mar 03 22:24:27 javispedro, what is the situation with /usr/lib/libOMX.TI.Video.Decoder.so library? Some games require it to be named libavcodec.so.52. Can it be set as by default, via symlink or hardlnk? Mar 03 22:24:42 it's still $400 or so Mar 03 22:24:46 cant see anything free fall Mar 03 22:24:47 divan: that is quite stupid on many levels Mar 03 22:25:04 divan: please just install the maemo package that has that library Mar 03 22:25:23 javispedro, package libavcodec? Mar 03 22:25:29 It Mar 03 22:25:59 http://maemo.org/packages/view/libavcodec52/ (thank Jeffa) Mar 03 22:26:02 It what I did first. And it didn't work, until I've found on some thread this hint. Mar 03 22:26:16 Game started and crashed. Mar 03 22:26:32 s/jeffa/jebba (weird typo) Mar 03 22:26:54 it was Avatar game, as I remember Mar 03 22:27:06 it must be something else. Mar 03 22:27:08 that hint is stupid., Mar 03 22:27:22 never read alligoodidea/govprov's messages. Mar 03 22:27:26 let me check again Mar 03 22:27:58 Venemo, i think i should rest and if tomorrow i wouldn't succeed by mself i'll ping you Mar 03 22:28:14 javispedro thank you for your work on dosbox Mar 03 22:28:23 and the snes Mar 03 22:28:28 ZogG_laptop: k Mar 03 22:28:47 i am running this sunvox and the example music is amazing Mar 03 22:29:03 divan: if it launches with that symlink, it means it will also launch when symlinked to libstub.so (like the many other stubbed libraries in preenv) -- but however that would be a disservice to any game actually caring about such library, because the maemo one is quite fine. Mar 03 22:29:31 sliri: yw Mar 03 22:29:49 have you seen the sunvox program? Mar 03 22:30:30 youtube sunvox n900 Mar 03 22:31:22 javispedro, now with libavcodec52 installed (0.5+svn20090706-5), and 'ldd Avatar | grep avcodec' shows "libavcodec.so.52 => /usr/lib/libavcodec.so.52 (0x40048000)" the game crashes right after splash screen Mar 03 22:31:53 gdb's backtrace stops somewhere in ogg decoding routine Mar 03 22:32:13 inside which library? Mar 03 22:33:04 huh, "libOMX.TI.Video.Decoder" uses same API as ffmpeg's lavc? Or is this why you said "stupid on many levels"? Mar 03 22:33:06 when I set symlink /opt/preenv/lib/libavcodec52.so to /usr/lib/libOMX.TI.Video.Decoder.so and ldd points to /opt/preenv/lib/libavcodec52.so (symlink) everything works. Mar 03 22:33:26 ShadowJK: latter. Mar 03 22:33:36 javispedro, I didn't figure out from what library... Mar 03 22:33:50 Although TI did hire some of the ffmpeg people ;) Mar 03 22:33:53 let me try again Mar 03 22:34:22 divan: try libstub.so Mar 03 22:34:29 divan: cp or symlink it. Mar 03 22:34:52 javispedro, what is libstub? symlink to libavcodec or what? Mar 03 22:35:15 an empty shared object. Mar 03 22:35:15 0x414c3e20 in oggpack_writeclear () from /usr/lib/libogg.so. Mar 03 22:35:59 I do not think avcodec links into libogg.. Mar 03 22:36:10 #4 0x4140a904 in ?? () from /usr/lib/libvorbisidec.so.1 Mar 03 22:36:19 It does for some things. Mar 03 22:36:26 but the fact is Mar 03 22:36:50 when I replace avcodec lib, everything starts to work Mar 03 22:36:50 libvorbisidec is the integer-only Tremor decoder. Mar 03 22:36:57 on the topic of Vorbis, can i get Vorbis tags to work on my N810? Mar 03 22:37:06 on its default media player that is Mar 03 22:37:19 In 20090706, it did _not_ use mainline libogg. Mar 03 22:37:25 It required its own custom version. Mar 03 22:41:50 divan: the libOMX.**** hint however is completely bullshit and libstub.so WILL work. The game probably uses weak symbols or something like that to cope with the fact that library is not in the officially sanctioned list. The question would be why it crashes when it uses the system libavcodec. Mar 03 22:43:28 javispedro, so, explain me again what do I need to symlink to libstub.so? Mar 03 22:44:05 repeat what you were doing previously, but use "libstub.so" (as is, without full path) as source. Mar 03 22:44:56 What I did previously? Mar 03 22:45:17 /opt/preenv/lib # ln -s libstub.so libavcodec.so.52 Mar 03 22:45:49 ok Mar 03 22:46:51 * javispedro wonders if there's something wrong with the maemo libavcodec, will check that later. Mar 03 22:48:35 javispedro, you right. It works with libstub.so. Video and audio seems to be working correctly Mar 03 22:51:33 So, until the question of maemo's libavcodec is unresolved, how do we solve this issue(without root priveleges)? Mar 03 22:52:07 javispedro, can you temporarily make this symlink permanent? Mar 03 22:52:31 for the next preenv upgrade, I mean Mar 03 22:54:59 it is not hard to get root Mar 03 22:57:20 sliri, the game installer application will be run without root and I want to install all hacks for each game automatically. Mar 03 23:00:59 Hi all Mar 03 23:01:20 did mozilla.org broke addons for iceweasel? Mar 03 23:01:42 I would like to start developing applications on maemo 5 Mar 03 23:02:27 which environment is recommended: maemo-sdk+ or the classic maemo sdk ? Mar 03 23:03:09 peetah: do you have experience in some language, or some UI toolkit? Mar 03 23:03:44 javispedro: I quite ok with C and C++ but never did anything with Qt Mar 03 23:03:57 *I'm Mar 03 23:05:10 the general rule I'm going to invent is: if you're interested in Qt, have experience with Qt, Windows or some other mobile platform development, you need neither of the above and should download the Nokia Qt SDK Mar 03 23:05:12 peetah, it worth learning. Qt is really handy libs and well documented. Start with Nokia Qt SDK 1.1. Latest QtCreator is really adapted for N900 development. Mar 03 23:05:56 on the other hand, if you have a Unixy background, Gtk+ background, or want to do lower level tasks or daemons, get the "classic" Maemo SDK. Mar 03 23:07:07 I'll look at the Nokia Qt SDK Mar 03 23:07:50 I thought that the sdk+ would have had some advantages compared to classic sdk, because of sbox 2.0, but I may be wrong Mar 03 23:07:57 what do you think ? Mar 03 23:08:34 peetah: if you know what scratchbox is, you should then probably be able to answer that question and discard the suggestion to download the qt sdk =) Mar 03 23:09:02 What is SDK+? Mar 03 23:09:27 divan: http://maemo-sdk.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 03 23:09:53 peetah: if you don't know what sbox is, then it doesn't really matter. the official one is sbox1 though. Mar 03 23:09:54 Isn't it outdate? Mar 03 23:10:20 peetah, for some tasks I use official Maemo SDK. sbox1 is good enough )) Mar 03 23:11:51 javispedro: I know about scratchbox because I did some cross development for arm platform, but I did not dig into the differences between version 1.x and 2.x Mar 03 23:12:08 peetah: so you have unixy background! get the classic sdk. Mar 03 23:12:18 specially if you already used sb1 Mar 03 23:13:34 javispedro, divan: ok thanks, time to experiment now :) Mar 03 23:28:56 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vPnehDhGa14&feature=player_embedded Mar 03 23:40:40 ZogG: minitube tells me 'could not open media source' Mar 03 23:40:51 * sliri is amazed at the fun of sunvox Mar 03 23:54:16 have a great day all Mar 04 00:34:58 uhm Mar 04 00:35:05 anyone else have video out problems iwht PR1.3? Mar 04 00:35:58 My video problems involve not being arsed to find the cable. Mar 04 00:36:02 Does that count? Mar 04 00:36:12 no Mar 04 00:36:25 What sort of problems? Mar 04 00:36:45 picture moving top to bottom over and over Mar 04 00:36:51 like a bad VHS Mar 04 00:37:05 You have the correct NTSC/PAL setting? Mar 04 00:37:11 no idea Mar 04 00:37:14 can I check from CLI? Mar 04 00:37:19 Also - the volume buttons adjust tracking. Mar 04 00:37:31 they adjust volume for me Mar 04 00:37:50 I don't think you can check from CLI Mar 04 00:37:53 well - maybe Mar 04 00:38:01 but probably some gconf properyu Mar 04 00:38:32 it got set to PAL somehow Mar 04 00:41:02 so now that I've reinstalled my kernel, where do I get the fixed wifi module? :x Mar 04 00:41:10 I didn't save the TMO link Mar 04 00:42:52 fixed/ Mar 04 00:42:53 ? Mar 04 00:44:06 yeah, like working Mar 04 00:44:59 http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=17957&d=1298590654 Mar 04 00:45:01 for reference Mar 04 00:58:50 javispedro, so your suggestion regarding libavcodec? Can you symlink libstub.so until maemo avcodec will be updated? Mar 04 01:00:08 it is not a problem with the maemo avcodec, it worked for me. Mar 04 01:00:46 so I'm waiting for more results on the issue. Mar 04 01:00:58 Hi! When using a framebuffer kernel, is the kernel found at http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-framebuffer/ the same as the one install with http://maemo.org/packages/view/kernel-framebuffer/? Mar 04 01:01:35 javispedro, maybe it's just Avatar game bug. Anyway I need a solution. rootless. Mar 04 01:02:27 "and I need it now!!" Mar 04 01:02:47 Not now ) Mar 04 01:03:24 javispedro, does Avatar works for you? Mar 04 01:03:31 I do not have the game. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Fri Mar 04 02:59:59 2011