**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 06 02:59:57 2011 Mar 06 03:00:27 but I think it's actually been HBDUS (duesseldorf) that's conrrolled by 3 M80 Mar 06 03:08:53 javispedro: yeah, in fact even Tuffi survived afaik Mar 06 03:09:59 (fatal) don't know of that, suspect a trainsurfer Mar 06 03:10:37 some night shift technician in a hurry did something quite bad, according to wikipedia. Mar 06 03:10:48 ooh Mar 06 03:10:59 yeah, now I remember Mar 06 03:11:14 i'm sure his salary was a fraction of their 1900 counterparts... Mar 06 03:11:22 blocked a trackswitch or sth Mar 06 03:21:36 javispedro: probably the best video: http://www.h-bahn.ru/video Mar 06 03:22:16 система Дюссельдорфа :-D Mar 06 03:23:01 yep Mar 06 03:23:04 I jsut can't find anymore any pictures of Dortmund command center :-/ Mar 06 03:23:41 looked quite funny with all the DISIT and DS3975 terminals Mar 06 03:25:08 DISIT is kinda like a color terminal with a hardcoded powerpoint graphic that can be highlighted etc. I did parts of that :-D Mar 06 03:30:04 * pupnik doesn't understand Mar 06 03:30:27 ohh sicomp Mar 06 03:30:32 yeah Mar 06 03:30:57 M80 series Mar 06 03:31:28 actually I think they used M70 ther in Duesseldorf Mar 06 03:31:58 AMBOSS is short for "Allgemeines Modulares Benutzer-Orientiertes Software System" Mar 06 03:32:01 heh Mar 06 03:32:08 siemens must have done lots of govt work Mar 06 03:32:13 meh AMBOSS Mar 06 03:32:24 we used BS-M Mar 06 03:32:38 the "hacker edition" of AMBOSS Mar 06 03:33:06 ahh Mar 06 03:33:09 with real commandline instead of silly masks Mar 06 03:33:33 * nox- has dim memories of bs2000... Mar 06 03:33:33 operators must be controlled! Mar 06 03:33:42 (what a strange name :) Mar 06 03:33:52 LOL Mar 06 03:34:01 * DocScrutinizer cackles Mar 06 03:35:09 yeah BS2000 was the mainframe version. BS-M was for process controll in realtime Mar 06 03:35:45 BS2000 was quite AMBOSSish though Mar 06 03:36:54 * DocScrutinizer wonders why the cryptic acronym ORG-PV doen't want to vanish in his mind Mar 06 03:37:10 * nox- remembers how its `fs' needed to be kind garbage-collected bc files could only be contiguous or so... Mar 06 03:37:13 must've been something especially disgusting Mar 06 03:37:30 kind of even Mar 06 03:46:30 heh Mar 06 03:46:40 * pupnik listens to Eric margolis' latest interview Mar 06 03:59:06 ummm Mar 06 03:59:59 aah, Jack S. Margolis' Mar 06 04:00:15 so who's Eric Margolis? Mar 06 04:01:48 Hey guys, where should I start looking for a method to use usb-networking to tether my n900 to my linux laptop? Like use the n900's internet(3G, wifi etc) on the laptop? Mar 06 04:04:51 ? Mar 06 04:04:54 DocScrutinizer: a very knowleadgable reporter Mar 06 04:05:01 robbiethe1st: it really shouldn't be that difficult Mar 06 04:05:08 robbiethe1st: what distribution are you using> Mar 06 04:05:10 ? Mar 06 04:06:04 maybe robbiethe1st decided to do a google search? Mar 06 04:09:58 maybe he decided to just try it and relized it works OOTB ;-D Mar 06 04:10:54 yigal: Sorry, was looking elsewhere. Um, ubuntu-based. DocScrutinizer Sorry, I tried it on my KDE desktop, tried setting all the settings and... it wouldn't connect. When I plugged in the n900, it showed an icon for the device on the network icon... but wouldn't connect. Mar 06 04:11:36 As such, I decided the best way to do it would be to just do all the provider stuff on the n900(which works), and then just setup a network between it and the PC Mar 06 04:12:20 Also, it -might- work on Gnome-based ubuntu OOTB, but not on KDE, for some reason Mar 06 04:13:08 I gather you need PK for that . needs forwarding/bridging Mar 06 04:14:12 PK? Mar 06 04:14:18 powerkernel Mar 06 04:14:27 Oh, yea. No problem there. Mar 06 04:15:24 then just follow the instructions about sharing your PC's internet to N900 via USB, just swapped roles ;-D Mar 06 04:21:57 robbiethe1st: tbh it doesn't work here as well - though I thought it's due to my massive messing around with knetworkmanager and manual setup of eth cards and whatnot Mar 06 04:32:35 Hm, I'm likely missing a step: http://pastebin.com/331E9jdK I can't ping the other IP from either side over usb0 Mar 06 05:02:31 no idea. I never did this via config. I got some scripts on PC (which would be N900 for your case) Mar 06 05:03:16 alright Mar 06 05:03:41 /sbin/ifconfig $DEV 192.168.0.200 netmask 255.255.255.0 Mar 06 05:03:43 /sbin/route add -host 192.168.0.202/32 dev $DEV Mar 06 05:03:44 ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null root@192.168.0.202 Mar 06 05:04:21 of course that's not the IPs used for maemo Mar 06 05:06:09 http://paste.debian.net/109678/ Mar 06 05:06:22 is a script called neo-net.sh Mar 06 05:07:26 Thanks Mar 06 05:09:24 it's for forwarding PC's network to Neo FR, after a local ssh connection is already installed I guess, with above quoted cmds Mar 06 05:10:40 so you have to run sth similar on N900 to forward 3G to PC via USB Mar 06 05:11:44 Yea Mar 06 05:11:45 Thanks Mar 06 05:12:54 I dunno if the fact PC is still USB host and N900 still gadget is of any relevance for IP networking Mar 06 05:13:37 I'd guess the "NICs" are symmetric Mar 06 05:14:00 I know it's possible to get a basic network working; I've done that before - and I was able to SSH into my n900(at least through BackupMenu) Mar 06 05:14:36 yeah, but in above quoted procedure you'd want to ssh from N900 to PC Mar 06 05:15:24 Yea... Mar 06 05:16:24 don't forget to check any firewall on PC Mar 06 05:16:37 gave me headaches more than once Mar 06 05:17:36 ah, yea Mar 06 05:18:50 note that firewalls are probably implemented via iptables as well Mar 06 05:19:21 Time to go back to basics: I know I got ssh/network working on BackupMenu. Mar 06 05:19:31 so probably best idea is to switch firewall off for the USB NIC, or completely if that'S more easy Mar 06 05:19:54 Ok, that works. I can ping to the n900 from my PC. That means it's Maemo that's causing the problem - I can't even ping my n900 Mar 06 05:20:43 check ifconfig Mar 06 05:20:50 on N900 Mar 06 05:20:57 check route Mar 06 06:07:52 hi Mar 06 06:08:28 any idea why the SIP account does says it is online, but it can't make nor receive calls? Mar 06 06:11:20 on wifi? probably power saving mode, 3G, high CPU usage i guess (it "rings", but doesn't react to it) Mar 06 06:18:41 GAN900: ping Mar 06 06:54:48 is there a gconf key or something to have emails from Modest be full screen? Mar 06 06:56:18 it just seems so unreasonable not to be able to see my mail in full screen Mar 06 07:02:52 seems it was a problem with the sip provider, i tried another provider and it works Mar 06 07:08:48 Wb Mar 06 07:08:49 ]-Ur`Welcome-[ : Mar 06 07:41:39 ffs Mar 06 07:41:50 where do I get Qt 4.7.2 for the N8 Mar 06 08:49:14 does anyone know why this is segfaulting? http://pastebin.com/j6K0wPeG Mar 06 09:02:43 MohammadAG: qt sis files are probably included in the sdk1.1beta Mar 06 09:03:10 piggz, I don't have that, nor do I plan to download a whole SDK for one file :) Mar 06 09:04:06 MohammadAG: wait 10 mins while my install finishes and i'll dig it out for you Mar 06 09:05:32 MohammadAG: maybe your mafw_renderer pointer isnt valid? Mar 06 09:06:23 but, im sure you;d think of that ;) Mar 06 09:06:50 s/10mins />10mins :/ Mar 06 09:07:52 piggz, nah, it segfaults on g_value_set_int Mar 06 09:10:43 MohammadAG: eugh, gtk :) Mar 06 09:22:00 is it programmatically possible to close a closable dialog on maemo5? background: my app tries to open a network connection, if that fails (poor signal) a dialog is presented. unless i manually deal with the dialog, it stays there and no futher connection attempts are being made by the system. Mar 06 09:23:13 asked on the mailing list some time ago: http://ur.ly/FIIo found a function called hildon_status_bar_lib_close_closable_dialog http://ur.ly/FKb5 Mar 06 09:30:19 MohammadAG: www.piggz.co.uk/qt.sis and qtwebkit.sis Mar 06 09:31:00 bit give it 90 second Mar 06 09:35:44 Morning Mar 06 09:37:20 MohammadAG: Hey, is there a way to debug hildon-desktop under esbox? Mar 06 09:43:43 ok, maybe i found a solution. what do you guys think of 'killall -9 osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs'? is it safe to do that? Mar 06 09:45:20 'safe' meaning will it brick your device? no Mar 06 09:47:48 pupnik: 'safe' in the meaning of 'robust' solution. one that does not make the system unstable. Mar 06 09:48:36 Ifyou can do it many times in a row , it will probably not make the system unstable. Mar 06 09:48:45 I don't think that process has a watchdog. Mar 06 09:49:27 SpeedEvil: the process seems to have a watchdog. osso-connectivity-ui-conndlgs processes are recreated after killing them. Mar 06 09:52:06 can i edit media player's playlist files, so i dont have to flick through hundreds of files? Mar 06 10:05:12 pupnik and SpeedEvil: thanks! that solution seems to work like a charm. Mar 06 10:05:46 juk: you can exclude certain directories from tracker indexing. Mar 06 10:11:01 dominikb: if you're using icd/conic to open the network connection, why not give the "automatic" parameter so that the dialog is never opened? Mar 06 10:11:19 villager: that 'automatic' parameter just does not seem to work. Mar 06 10:11:41 really? weird Mar 06 10:13:40 never noticed a problem with my app... maybe I never tried with poor connection Mar 06 10:14:27 dominikb: that's with CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED? Mar 06 10:21:35 villager: jep, that one does not work for me. recently i switched to Qt and there it also does not work. i filed a bug for that: http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15924 Mar 06 10:31:55 villager: doesn't CON_IC_CONNECT_FLAG_AUTOMATICALLY_TRIGGERED mean, that no connection will be established if there isn't already one? see http://ur.ly/FJf9 Mar 06 10:32:40 SpeedEvil: so it indexes every time i start it, ah, that the reason it suckes at startup Mar 06 10:33:02 in qt when setting ConnectInBackground to True, the ICD_CONNECTION_FLAG_APPLICATION_EVENT is set. see http://qt.gitorious.org/qt/qt/blobs/4.7/src/plugins/bearer/icd/qnetworksession_impl.cpp Mar 06 10:33:32 /suckes/sucks Mar 06 10:33:43 juk: yes - look at ~/.config/tracker/ Mar 06 10:33:51 S?hould only do new files Mar 06 10:33:52 villager: and that does not work for me. Mar 06 10:34:41 anybody able to reproduce http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-15924 ? PySide script is attached to bug report. Mar 06 10:35:49 dominikb: so you want a connection to be established if there isn't one? normally the n900 will already be connected if it's possible to establish a connection without user interaction... Mar 06 10:38:17 villager: jep, that's my intention. all the connection handling stuff is handled by the application. i disabled the 'automatic' connection feature. so the connection is only established on application request. Mar 06 10:39:43 villager: if the connection fails a modal user dialog is presented and no further automatic connection attemps are possible. that's why i came up with the idea of killing these ui-dialogs. Mar 06 10:39:53 SpeedEvil: i didn't know i had tracker installed Mar 06 10:40:02 juk: It's stock Mar 06 10:40:17 juk: The media player and the camera and ... all use it Mar 06 10:40:26 SpeedEvil: i see Mar 06 10:46:27 juk: I just whipped up a shell script to create my own playlist, then I imported it in media player, so I can use it instead of seeing everything Mar 06 10:49:07 villager: how do import? Mar 06 10:49:35 villager: and wheres those playlists located? Mar 06 10:50:25 villager: that's nice, i would like export playlists as well for backing up Mar 06 10:50:43 juk: come to think of it, I can't remember... I suspect I just created a .m3u file along with my music, and then tracker saw it and it showed up in media player Mar 06 10:52:32 juk: so you can put the .m3u anywhere, just as with the music itself Mar 06 10:53:22 villager: ah, fare enough Mar 06 10:57:32 juk: the media player's own playlists are in ~/.mafw-playlists I think Mar 06 10:58:13 but they're not so useful Mar 06 10:59:35 villager: yeah, m3u it's a way to go thanks Mar 06 11:00:24 villager: i think it's madness those sqlite files and tracker... Mar 06 11:00:48 juk: well, I suppose you're not alone in thinking that Mar 06 11:01:08 villager: (sigh) Mar 06 11:02:35 some wacky nokia decision... Mar 06 11:02:45 Tracker isn't a bad idea. Mar 06 11:02:52 It could however be implemented lots better Mar 06 12:48:19 crashanddie_: No probs (belatedly) Mar 06 13:05:20 it's funny how I've lost the will to hack. Mar 06 13:06:01 I thought I got it back when working with MohammadAG Mar 06 13:06:07 on the media player Mar 06 13:06:46 But truth be told, after spending a whole day/week working my ass off on foggy, shitty, insane C++, I cba to see any other code, or even think of designs and stuff. Mar 06 13:07:16 C and C++ are fun :p Mar 06 13:08:43 crashanddie_, motivation is sometimes hard to find Mar 06 13:08:56 but once you re find your spark, it is like riding a bike. Mar 06 13:09:04 I don't know how you did it lcuk Mar 06 13:09:16 When you were doing that VB shit for the curtain company Mar 06 13:09:19 crashanddie_, reading my old notes helps Mar 06 13:09:27 How you managed to spit out tons of C code after dark Mar 06 13:09:56 crashanddie_, there were different things - I have been thinking in C for a lot longer Mar 06 13:09:59 and converting to VB :P Mar 06 13:10:59 Yesterday, I wrote a 30 page document about general design considerations, and applied it to my company. Most devs are absolute nuggets, the guy in charge of the statistics database didn't even know that comparing two floats was dangerous and uncertain... Mar 06 13:11:31 at least you got direct feedback Mar 06 13:11:51 no, that was a few days ago -- the float thingie Mar 06 13:11:58 I don't get feedback during the weekend Mar 06 13:12:17 why is comparing two floats dangerous? Mar 06 13:12:41 MohammadAG: because they may be similar but not the same and you have to deal with NaN Mar 06 13:13:00 NaN? Mar 06 13:13:01 in PHP: $a = 19.6; $b = 1960; $a *= 100; if ($a != $b) echo "$a is not equal to $b"; Mar 06 13:13:11 MohammadAG: Not a Number Mar 06 13:13:36 MohammadAG: dump that into: http://writecodeonline.com/php/ Mar 06 13:13:45 alterego, less an issue for normal uses Mar 06 13:13:47 OMG Mar 06 13:14:02 lcuk: Qt Mobility Location API uses it Mar 06 13:14:38 how is it used in qtm? Mar 06 13:14:59 I can kinda understand a hobbyist doesn't know this shit, but it seriously frightens me when a guy with 10+ years of experience doesn't vaguely know anything about this... Mar 06 13:15:08 1960 is not equal to 1960 Mar 06 13:15:11 Certain properties, ground/vertical-speed, direction etc may be NaN if they're not valid in the lock Mar 06 13:15:21 btw quite similar reason you *never* use == for loop termination Mar 06 13:15:34 true Mar 06 13:15:36 thanks for that Mar 06 13:15:49 alterego, right, that is using it for an extended purpose Mar 06 13:16:09 but it is rarely encounted during normal use Mar 06 13:16:20 No, probably not Mar 06 13:16:38 for weeks, the web team has been giving us shit as to why we give timestamps coded in two values, one 64-bit int for seconds, and another 64-bit int for milli/nano seconds... On thursday they all went "ooooooh". Mar 06 13:17:01 Heh Mar 06 13:17:13 These are guys who sit on a project for over a year, and two weeks before deadline, "quick quick quick, code this, code that" Mar 06 13:17:42 Sounds about right Mar 06 13:17:46 And then they're bitching at us because we can't completely change the architecture of our server to accomodate their needs, even though they've known about the requirements and gaps for over a year, but never made them clear to us... Mar 06 13:18:38 So on Friday I told them they were all a bunch of student-type wankers who needed to get their fucking gig straight if they wanted to have a future in the company, or if they wanted the company to have a future Mar 06 13:19:22 Oi, don't insult students Mar 06 13:19:52 MohammadAG: "You have an exam at the end of the year" "yeah yeah yeah". 50 weeks later "Oh fuck, we have an exam in two weeks? study study study" Mar 06 13:20:40 heh Mar 06 13:20:49 So yesterday, I wrote the doc about design considerations -- what are the pitfalls when designing clients, network considerations, security considerations, platform considerations, I'm going to make them think about what they want to achieve, write a dozen different clients or have one that's roughly multi-platform, etc. Mar 06 13:21:02 while for (i=10; i-=3; i=0) is obvious, other constructs easily aren't Mar 06 13:21:23 while for (i=10; i-=3; i==0) is obvious, other constructs easily aren't Mar 06 13:21:27 as well Mar 06 13:21:58 you got your params wrong Mar 06 13:22:09 should always be sth like i<=0 Mar 06 13:22:13 it's for (i = 10; i == 0; i -= 3) Mar 06 13:22:20 DocScrutinizer: pwnt Mar 06 13:22:29 grrr I need a coffee Mar 06 13:22:40 Heh Mar 06 13:22:40 lol DocScrutinizer crashanddie_ - now we know why docs code does not run! Mar 06 13:23:06 Maybe he really did want it to break out straight away :P Mar 06 13:23:06 now you know when I don't run Mar 06 13:23:27 "Why are there bugs in Doc's code?" "We ran out of coffee yesterday" "Oh shit" Mar 06 13:23:35 lol Mar 06 13:24:33 lol Mar 06 13:24:35 btw just pondering if it works as well the wrong way round i-=3 returns a value ;-) Mar 06 13:24:41 DocScrutinizer, what kind of coffee do you drink? Mar 06 13:24:56 DocScrutinizer: that's what I was saying, but anything other than 0 equates to true Mar 06 13:25:17 Not sure whether having i == 0 in the third part of the statement is compilable though :) Mar 06 13:25:19 I have to say, PHP's made me lazy. I've been working with python recently, and run into lots of glitches like that - Where values need to be run through str() in order to concatenate them, or through int() before they'll compare... Mar 06 13:25:52 latte macciato Mar 06 13:25:57 *macchiato Mar 06 13:26:00 robbiethe1st: it's not actually always required .. Mar 06 13:26:06 did the video on Skype ever get fixed for the n800? Mar 06 13:26:08 robbiethe1st: to concatenate what? Mar 06 13:26:10 <_0x47> could someone kindly tell me how this EULA popup is called that you receive on installing some packages? Mar 06 13:26:17 what does "concatenate numbers" even fucking *mean* Mar 06 13:26:21 DocScrutinizer: i -= 3 returns "i - 3", so depending on the language (for example, C considering anything non-null to be true, whereas PHP considers anything negative to be false) Mar 06 13:26:32 kerio: I think he means as string ;) Mar 06 13:26:45 kerio: Mainly things like num=3; print 'val of num'+num+'something else' type things Mar 06 13:26:51 i know he does, but it's stupid Mar 06 13:26:59 kerio: JavaScript doesn't think so Mar 06 13:27:09 crashanddie_: sure Mar 06 13:27:33 Thing is, PHP will just -do- it. Javascript will do it usually, and python... doesn't like it Mar 06 13:27:46 wait, what? Mar 06 13:27:57 robbiethe1st: that just makes me hate PHP even more :P Mar 06 13:28:15 Python: print "This is a string, with foo value", foo, "isn't that cool?" Mar 06 13:28:38 robbiethe1st: if you use format strings though it does str() automatically Mar 06 13:28:49 alterego: what's wrong with a i == 0 statement? Mar 06 13:29:03 DocScrutinizer: nothing, I guess. Mar 06 13:29:13 DocScrutinizer: but it doesn't do anything in the context of the 3rd item in a for Mar 06 13:29:17 10 PRINT "HELLO WORLD!" Mar 06 13:29:21 20 GOTO 10 Mar 06 13:29:32 alterego: obviously it's a void statement Mar 06 13:29:35 DocScrutinizer: but like I said earlier, if your for compiles, then it'll just break straight away. Mar 06 13:29:40 erhm, it's not a void statement Mar 06 13:29:47 No it's a boolean statement. Mar 06 13:29:54 aaaaaaanyhow Mar 06 13:30:00 Why don't we compile and see if it works :P Mar 06 13:30:02 in C there is no boolean Mar 06 13:30:06 Mind, it works in the print case, but not where it's usually needed - Passing it as a string/qstring to a PyQt object Mar 06 13:30:08 alterego: why will it break? Mar 06 13:30:22 DocScrutinizer: I'm not saying it will, I just said I didn't know if it would compoile. Mar 06 13:30:52 meh, where's my coffee!!!? Mar 06 13:31:12 it should be in your inbox, I emailed it a bbit ago Mar 06 13:31:21 DocScrutinizer: it certianly generates a warning :P Mar 06 13:31:29 "3rd expression in for has no effect" Mar 06 13:31:33 meanwhile mine is on my tshirt Mar 06 13:31:36 <<< classy Mar 06 13:31:54 * lcuk grabs a new tshirt and holds cup upright in future Mar 06 13:32:05 DocScrutinizer: for(int i = 10; i -= 3;i == 0) { qDebug() << i; } Mar 06 13:32:12 DocScrutinizer: infinite loop ;) Mar 06 13:32:33 Which is interesting to me .. Mar 06 13:32:43 Because I thought any non-zero would cause it to break, Mar 06 13:33:27 <_0x47> how can I add a agreement popup to my HAM installation? Mar 06 13:33:44 meh, nice Mar 06 13:33:52 _0x47, you can, but for what purpose? Mar 06 13:34:00 toldya it won't immediately quit Mar 06 13:34:01 (see the postinst for ssh server as example) Mar 06 13:34:18 this works, DocScrutinizer http://pastebin.com/Bq39weGd Mar 06 13:34:20 alterego, technically that may not be infinite Mar 06 13:34:30 it might have to roll around a few times Mar 06 13:34:30 :P Mar 06 13:34:32 <_0x47> lcuk: to tell people that an application will not run without additional third-party binaries and to refer to a help page Mar 06 13:34:32 lcuk: well, sure Mar 06 13:34:56 <_0x47> lcuk: postinst? it should rather be preinst, is that possible? Mar 06 13:35:05 _0x47, isn't the concept of "additional third party binaries" called "dependencies"? Mar 06 13:35:27 and are normally named in the debian/control file Mar 06 13:35:32 <_0x47> lcuk: right, but non-free binaries are not supposed to be in the repo Mar 06 13:35:53 <_0x47> like in commercial games engine rewrites Mar 06 13:36:14 <_0x47> and people are like "wtf, the game doesn't work" without understanding this Mar 06 13:36:24 put the code into your app then Mar 06 13:36:31 not just in the installer Mar 06 13:36:45 <_0x47> lcuk: the proprietary binary code? Mar 06 13:36:47 because most of the time, installing it Mar 06 13:36:57 and finding out it doesn't work are different events Mar 06 13:37:02 and might occur days inbetween Mar 06 13:37:39 <_0x47> lcuk: but, what's so wrong about telling people that it will need the retail-cd binaries berfore it works? Mar 06 13:37:45 I had a terrible nightmare last night. I dreamt my N900 fell to the floor, and the gsm, 3g, bt and wifi antennas came out. I tried to glue them back, but the N900 didn't boot :-( Mar 06 13:37:53 * ShadowJK_ shudders Mar 06 13:38:03 :( sh Mar 06 13:38:30 Good thing it was only a dream Mar 06 13:39:06 the movie has a big latency to the sound on my fremantle tho. by using mplayer. (N900) What do I do wrong ? Mar 06 13:39:28 lcuk: yes (roll around, aka overflow) Mar 06 13:40:17 djszapi, usually the big latency is because you're playing a movie bigger than what mplayer can handle. The video decoding is running slower than audio Mar 06 13:41:00 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/DSP Mar 06 13:41:06 dealing with 2-byte charsets in strings is a nice occasion where comparing == sizeof(buffer) is a really bad idea Mar 06 13:41:08 it is more like a dsp problem than mplayer... Mar 06 13:41:18 Qt Webkit on the N8 is epic Mar 06 13:41:22 scrolling's smooth Mar 06 13:41:32 QML's scrolling otoh sucks balls Mar 06 13:41:41 and what is the N8 display resolution? Mar 06 13:41:47 <_0x47> lcuk: I understand that I can run a script preinst or postinst, but I don't find anything about how to create a hildonized message from the HAM install. Like when you install the kernel-power Mar 06 13:42:06 lcuk, 640x360 Mar 06 13:42:07 _0x47, then look in the pre/post inst for that package and see how they do it Mar 06 13:42:17 but QWebKit on maemo isn't the best thing Mar 06 13:42:39 <_0x47> lcuk: lol of course >< thanks! Mar 06 13:43:35 MohammadAG, the N900 has many more pixels to fill Mar 06 13:43:59 lcuk, regardless, QWebkit needs a lot of tuning on the N900 Mar 06 13:44:10 example: on the N810, using display mode 800*480, render speed is ~25fps Mar 06 13:44:12 it doesn't even have proper scrolling, but needs a hack Mar 06 13:44:17 example: on the N810, using display mode 640*480, render speed is ~33fps Mar 06 13:44:42 * lcuk could pull n900 figures, but that tiny example sums it up nicely Mar 06 13:44:47 QWebkit is faster, QML is slower (on the N8) Mar 06 13:45:05 dzszapi: MPlayer doesn't use the dsp Mar 06 13:50:28 excuse my alzheimer, but could you show me a correct c for() statement please. My brain got messed up by the many bad examples right now Mar 06 13:50:58 <_0x47> lcuk: just for your information: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing#maemo-confirm-text Mar 06 13:51:08 <_0x47> thanks for the hint :) Mar 06 13:51:09 and the coffee, while tasty, doesn't kick in that fast Mar 06 13:51:37 <_0x47> DocScrutinizer for(int i = 0; i < 5; i++) { } Mar 06 13:51:47 thank you pal Mar 06 13:51:53 <_0x47> np Mar 06 13:52:04 please use a space between for and the parenthesis :) Mar 06 13:52:20 <_0x47> I don't, I I don't know why I should :P Mar 06 13:52:31 <_0x47> , and* I Mar 06 13:52:32 it's a language construct, makes it easier to parse the code and differentiate it from a function call Mar 06 13:53:37 <_0x47> i see Mar 06 13:56:35 * DocScrutinizer is amazed Dennis Ritchie bothered at all to implement commodity constructs like while() into C Mar 06 13:57:02 s/ C/ his hacker language/. Mar 06 13:57:04 crashanddie_, so I should be using for () instead of for()? Mar 06 13:57:23 or if () instead of if() Mar 06 13:57:59 you shouldn't be doing anything, but yeah, I find it highly more readable that way Mar 06 13:58:28 if () as well, could get replaced by a for(;!cond;) Mar 06 13:59:21 isn't for() = a loop? Mar 06 13:59:26 coding pretty print styles, ohmy Mar 06 13:59:50 yeah, but you can leave it Mar 06 14:01:39 at least I've never come across code like this: int m = 754974721, N, t[1 << 22], a, *p, i, e = 1 << 22, j, s, b, c, U; Mar 06 14:01:51 actually c for() is the most universal generic structure I know of Mar 06 14:02:42 for (s = 1 << 23; s; s /= 2, d = d * 1LL * d % m) if (s < N) for (p = t; p < t + N; p += s) for (i = s, c = 1; i; i--) b = *p + p[s], p[s] = (m + *p - p[s]) * 1LL * c % m, *p++ = b % m, c = c * 1LL * d % m; Mar 06 14:03:01 crashanddie, please take it to IOCC ;P Mar 06 14:03:03 WTF?! Mar 06 14:03:12 ShadowJK_: that is from the IOCC :D Mar 06 14:03:18 right.. Mar 06 14:03:24 http://www.de.ioccc.org/2000/bellard.c Mar 06 14:04:30 for (s = 1 << 23; s; s /= 2, d = d * 1LL * d % m) Mar 06 14:04:33 that's just so fucked up Mar 06 14:04:44 crashanddie_: that code quite obviously is incomplete or defect Mar 06 14:04:49 why? Mar 06 14:05:21 the long statement above parses in my half awake brain as ()-mismatch Mar 06 14:05:41 oh, nm Mar 06 14:06:22 nha, the code compiles and runs Mar 06 14:06:37 $ gcc test.c -o test Mar 06 14:06:47 $ ./test Mar 06 14:06:47 43707574412708137883332329120694607086762477057485160663101813181519232482250706538655558566724858305900302708269932093906729090697842563946314162645794637615708446891396433623197513123667 Mar 06 14:07:52 I have to admit I fail to understand the full semantics of comma Mar 06 14:08:47 didn't know it's allowed to build compounds Mar 06 14:09:06 it's not a compound Mar 06 14:09:18 comma just means throw away the result of the previous expression (while keeping the side effects, of course) and return the result of the next expression... it can be used in any expression Mar 06 14:09:22 it just evaluates the first part, discards the return value, and evaluates the second one Mar 06 14:09:46 heh thnx Mar 06 14:10:02 From wikipedia: (a, b) is equivalent to (a ? b : b) Mar 06 14:10:29 anyway Mar 06 14:10:30 I'm iouyt Mar 06 14:10:34 I'm out, even Mar 06 14:10:36 I regularly use commas in my for statements when it makes sense Mar 06 14:10:57 The fact that using comma makes regularly sense is quite remarkable Mar 06 14:11:02 or worrying, depending on context Mar 06 14:11:09 anyway Mar 06 14:11:10 take care Mar 06 14:11:40 for multiple loop variables it does... Mar 06 14:12:08 villager: in for statements I'm used to it, in plain code it looked strange and undefined to me. Of course everything is defined somehow in C Mar 06 14:12:32 any arch user here with N900 ? Mar 06 14:12:58 i'm curious as to what could be arch-specific and n900-related... Mar 06 14:13:24 djszapi: are you sure a user of a different distro couldn't help? Mar 06 14:13:33 outside of a for statement a comma can usually be replaced with a regular semicolon, so it generally does not make sense to use it elsewhere, but it's legal Mar 06 14:13:44 BCMM: how to set up the network on arch Mar 06 14:13:53 USB networking? Mar 06 14:13:58 yes Mar 06 14:14:14 in order to install packages with apt-get there from the internet etc. Mar 06 14:15:05 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Tips_and_Tricks/N900_USB_Networking => This page does not have any Arch instruction. Mar 06 14:15:17 villager: c has too much freedom to do nonsense (...by accident usually) Mar 06 14:16:01 basically C is a highly sophisticated assembler Mar 06 14:18:20 yes, it follows from the history of C... Mar 06 14:18:35 while almost all other "hig level langueages" follow the paradigm to analyze and interpret the logic in a code, and even to things like runtime-checks to further restrict what can happen, C is simply offering assembler macros you can use any way you like Mar 06 14:18:45 djszapi: MPlayer does not use DSP Mar 06 14:19:58 ShadowJK_: what uses then ? Mar 06 14:20:22 The built-in media player does Mar 06 14:20:30 its name ? Mar 06 14:20:37 DocScrutinizer: well, keep in mind that all those other languages are implemented in C... but when C was first invented, one step up from assembler was all that was feasible, but pretty much a necessary step in order to allow all those more advanced languages to be possible Mar 06 14:20:49 "Media Player"? Mar 06 14:21:03 no Mar 06 14:21:14 ShadowJK_: djszapi: essentially, boils down to gstreamer Mar 06 14:21:23 villager: appreciated Mar 06 14:21:29 ShadowJK_: Media no result. Mar 06 14:21:31 villager, C is cross platform ASM :P Mar 06 14:21:31 Media Player - mafw - gstreamer - dsp Mar 06 14:22:03 lcuk: huh ? Mar 06 14:22:19 lcuk: ++ Mar 06 14:22:23 ShadowJK_: I need its name in order to run it from cli Mar 06 14:22:29 you can't Mar 06 14:22:40 /usr/bin/mediaplayer Mar 06 14:22:45 right Mar 06 14:22:53 but it probably doesn't work from cli :) Mar 06 14:23:21 that is not nice at all. Mar 06 14:24:09 my SGX is fucked, brb Mar 06 14:24:37 meh, there's a lot of such crap in maemo. Try opening a particular file in Notes :-( Mar 06 14:25:33 you mustn't think Notes would take cmdline arguments Mar 06 14:26:24 ShadowJK_: black screen if I select the Media Player after clicking on the flv file in the filemanager... Mar 06 14:26:51 "Uanble to play media. Video codec not supported" lol Mar 06 14:27:02 Any arch and N900 user here ? Mar 06 14:27:16 Yeah it doesn't play flv without extra-codecs or codecs-extra or whatever it was called Mar 06 14:27:28 too bad Mar 06 14:27:34 decoders-support Mar 06 14:27:49 what a name Mar 06 14:27:50 well, I cannot install any package until the network does not work on arch./ Mar 06 14:28:31 suggestions for zoom in and out in hildon-desktop? Mar 06 14:28:47 you can ;-) copy the pkg file to uSD Mar 06 14:29:02 CTRL+SHIFT+(what?) Mar 06 14:29:06 ShadowJK: lol this media player is good at generating random freezes Mar 06 14:29:17 MohammadAG: obviously + / - Mar 06 14:29:19 Nokia's mediaplayer sucks Mar 06 14:29:36 DocScrutinizer, I can't capture those Mar 06 14:29:43 check with my matrix of unallowed thre-key-combos Mar 06 14:29:46 well, mplayer is not an alternative either with no dsp support Mar 06 14:29:56 hildon-desktop is always on, if I do capture them, volume won't work Mar 06 14:30:27 then I'd suggest ctrl-blue-up/down Mar 06 14:30:53 nah, conflicts with german kbd layout Mar 06 14:31:07 letters, please :P Mar 06 14:31:19 it's CTRL+SHIFT+R/F, but that conflicts with rotation flag Mar 06 14:31:43 + and - actually are letters - no really, I just mean the letters where + and - sit on Mar 06 14:31:47 I'd use I/O, but I is needed in microB Mar 06 14:31:57 S and F Mar 06 14:32:39 what's with shift-vol+/vol- (aka F7/8 iirc) Mar 06 14:32:47 MohammadAG, Maemo5 UI team might suggest swirly zoom o_O Mar 06 14:33:17 DocScrutinizer, the status bar volume thing captures the keys Mar 06 14:33:29 you can't use them unless you capture them Mar 06 14:33:36 err, also the shifted ones? Mar 06 14:33:40 yes Mar 06 14:33:46 shit Mar 06 14:33:50 lcuk, I'd like that too :) Mar 06 14:34:05 DocScrutinizer, qwerty12 complained about it in his last app/daemon Mar 06 14:34:28 we got a TICKET (in bold) for that? Mar 06 14:34:46 no, it's intended functionality Mar 06 14:34:53 btw xchat nicely captures those keys Mar 06 14:35:29 too nicely I have to add Mar 06 14:35:32 MohammadAG where is qwerty12 any one knows btw? Mar 06 14:35:46 zogg_, nope, he left without a trace Mar 06 14:35:54 huh Mar 06 14:35:55 =( Mar 06 14:36:11 he left a rant Mar 06 14:36:18 on a visit with Dr Mabuse Mar 06 14:36:38 or Blofeld Mar 06 14:36:52 killing Blofeld's cat Mar 06 14:36:54 ernst stavro? Mar 06 14:36:55 ah Mar 06 14:37:45 still can't figure out how to change volume Mar 06 14:38:00 (rant) one with a lot of ****** and beeeps Mar 06 14:38:19 MohammadAG: ?? Mar 06 14:38:33 mafw Mar 06 14:38:44 there's a dbus call for it, no? Mar 06 14:39:24 that sucks when you do it multiple times a second Mar 06 14:39:27 chnaging volume is a really tricky thing, as there's a friggin lot of concurrent volumes Mar 06 14:39:28 i.e when moving a slider Mar 06 14:39:43 there's a way to do it with mafw Mar 06 14:39:48 but the documentation is meh Mar 06 14:39:50 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Using_Multimedia_Components/Media_Application_Framework_%28MAFW%29#Using_a_renderer Mar 06 14:40:03 it mentions _do_set_volume(), no idea where that function's from Mar 06 14:40:52 I'd guess from that link and context it's a method of the renderer object Mar 06 14:41:44 wouldn't that be mafw_renderer_do_set_volume () then? Mar 06 14:41:57 my attempt at using GValue resulted in a segfault Mar 06 14:42:15 nfi Mar 06 14:43:00 http://pastebin.com/j6K0wPeG Mar 06 14:43:05 I just can tell you there are several concurrent volumes, and you might want to think twice about which one(s) you actually want to change Mar 06 14:43:32 mafw has to worry about that, not me Mar 06 14:43:42 nah, that's nonsense Mar 06 14:43:53 not really :) Mar 06 14:43:59 these volumes have diferent semantics Mar 06 14:44:19 yeah, but mafw only changes the "normal" one Mar 06 14:45:11 do you want to change the digital attenuation for that particular mp3 playback, do you want to change the hardware headset volume - if so then do you want it to be temporary or persistent... etc pp Mar 06 14:45:40 again, that's mafw's responsibility, not mine Mar 06 14:45:46 there are even several hw volumes Mar 06 14:46:05 for all I can tell from my understanding of N900 hw Mar 06 14:46:16 btw Mar 06 14:46:22 since we're talking about playback Mar 06 14:46:34 w(hy)tf does the device not support mixed sounds? Mar 06 14:46:49 playing a song during a call, or during camera capture Mar 06 14:47:10 the device? PA is supposed to care about it, as they decided ALSA dmix can't do it Mar 06 14:47:54 it can obviously do two sounds at once, they have it disabled somewhere Mar 06 14:48:08 the beep that sounds when playing music and a notification comes in is an example Mar 06 14:48:52 anyway you got just one useable set of DACs, so if camera exclusively opens the audio hw for playback of that silly shutter sound, then there's no DAC left for playback of mp3 via AV-headset jack Mar 06 14:49:38 yes, that's quite probably done in alsaped policies Mar 06 14:50:36 Nokia-N900:~# xprop -id 0x044008e8 Mar 06 14:50:37 _OMAP_VIDEO_OVERLAY(INTEGER) = 1 Mar 06 14:50:37 _HILDON_DO_NOT_DISTURB(INTEGER) = 1 Mar 06 14:50:51 if anyone's interested in DND and videos in Qt apps Mar 06 14:53:50 (alsaped & policies) just another case of where's-the-fscking-manual? and dumping source is as worthless as dumping source of a c compiler is for defining c syntax for developers Mar 06 14:55:22 ""how to use destructor in an object? Dude lemme point you to the compiler source in mxr, there's all you need"" Mar 06 14:56:16 ^^^Nokia's take on FOSS Mar 06 14:59:22 trx: hey Mar 06 14:59:40 hey Mar 06 14:59:55 i created a script that we were talking about Mar 06 15:00:02 having some problems tho Mar 06 15:00:08 wow Mar 06 15:00:33 i compile 2.5.1 sources Mar 06 15:00:36 I was sick this couple of days, now I am better, and wanted to do that. Nice, did you use my wiki page as a reference? Mar 06 15:00:40 but compiler reports 2.2.2 Mar 06 15:00:50 any idea why? Mar 06 15:01:25 (so when i try to compile, it can't find proper units) Mar 06 15:01:30 Are you sure you are calling the right compiler? Did you use ARM binary 2.2.2 compiler they provide at the web site? Mar 06 15:01:35 Because I didn't use it. Mar 06 15:01:37 no Mar 06 15:01:52 i compiled the 2.5.1 src i had on x86 for ARM Mar 06 15:02:05 transfered it to scratchbox Mar 06 15:02:10 I wanted to ask you whether autobuilder can call svn Mar 06 15:02:17 and then used it to compile fpc Mar 06 15:02:18 I mean subversion Mar 06 15:02:27 it does, just build-depend on it Mar 06 15:02:42 (i havent tried actually) Mar 06 15:02:43 I never seen anything like that. Mar 06 15:02:47 but i would assume so Mar 06 15:03:10 why wouldn't it, its a package like any other Mar 06 15:03:12 So, you build an ARM eabi compiler on PC, then transferred it to scratchbox, right? Mar 06 15:03:22 yes, ppcarm Mar 06 15:03:30 thats the only thing you need Mar 06 15:03:36 exactly Mar 06 15:03:37 if anyone's interested (cc alterego) http://pastebin.com/BEbk3nxC Mar 06 15:03:57 Besides, how would you give it to autobuilder? Tell it to download from somewhere with wget? Mar 06 15:04:07 meh, deleted the paste by mistake Mar 06 15:04:23 norayr for now just include it with the source tar Mar 06 15:04:32 MohammadAG: (capturing keys) there's something about that in MHD. Capture or send dbus signal, sth along that line. You might want to check there Mar 06 15:04:36 Ah Mar 06 15:04:52 http://pastebin.com/uW2JF5FJ Mar 06 15:05:12 okay, I'll check my ppcarm versions, and how they report themselves. Mar 06 15:05:23 Anyway, I guess Mar 06 15:05:44 the problem is in the commandline you use while trying to compile the source. Mar 06 15:05:49 DocScrutinizer, mhd here, nothing about that Mar 06 15:06:02 Did you mention exactly PP= absolute path ? Mar 06 15:06:12 check the "specs" Mar 06 15:06:51 DocScrutinizer, http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Porting_Software/Porting_Existing_GTK%2B_Application_to_Maemo_5#Enabling_volume.2Fzoom_keys Mar 06 15:07:40 DocScrutinizer: on first reading, i thought you were saying that Nokia's take on FOSS was to call it's destructor... delete foss; Mar 06 15:08:13 /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/key-actions/dbus_shift_ctrl (*) Mar 06 15:08:15 If the value of this key is true, then ctrl-shift-letter combinations are reported on the d-bus, allowing implementation of global shortcut keys. H,N,P,X are reported on the dbus only if the previous key is false. Mar 06 15:10:00 DocScrutinizer, you're missing the point Mar 06 15:10:15 the keys aren't reported at all when they're captured by the plugin Mar 06 15:10:30 so unless you want me to reimplement volume changing in hildon-desktop, using them is impossible Mar 06 15:13:23 piggz, thanks for the sis files btw :) Mar 06 15:15:13 MohammadAG: np...they worked for you? ... do you also want the sqlite3.sis and qmlviewer.sis? what about the openc and pips supporting files? Mar 06 15:16:29 piggz, nah, installing those worked fine Mar 06 15:16:40 piggz, afaik Nokia Bubbles installs qmlviewer.sis Mar 06 15:17:26 MohammadAG: for reference, i was installing sdk1.1, because in 1.0, with qt 4.6.2, qwebpage is horribly broken, so, if you write anything using qwebkit, aim for 4.7.2 Mar 06 15:17:53 zerojay: pong? Mar 06 15:18:11 piggz, QWebkit stuff never compiled for me for Symbian^3 (at least on 4.6.2) Mar 06 15:19:53 MohammadAG: i knocked up a simple app for n900, and decided to port to symbian (^1 atm as i also have a 5800)...my app worked fine in the simulator, but crashed the phone due to a bug in netowork handling Mar 06 15:20:43 MohammadAG: actually that's been exactly what I was pointing you at. Obviously HD is a very early instance to deal with keypress events and decides what to do with those. It's quite possible (M)HD needs some patch there to allow generic management of what to do when an arbirary key(combo) got pressed Mar 06 15:22:24 GeneralAntilles: It's been about 15 months or so since I got told I might have gotten Nokia sued by Nintendo. Good times. lol Mar 06 15:22:33 Pff Mar 06 15:22:39 What a mess that was. Mar 06 15:23:13 zerojay: wut? Mar 06 15:23:22 And then it was all wrong. lol Mar 06 15:23:45 I won't tell the full story here since it's logged. Mar 06 15:24:06 But yeah... what a mess. lol Mar 06 15:24:15 googling for "logged story" won't help ;-D Mar 06 15:26:11 In the end, it had nothing at all to do with me. Mar 06 15:26:20 Miscommunication. Mar 06 15:26:41 I just stumbled across the OMG OMG OMG emails last night. Mar 06 15:26:47 well, if it was of the kind that'S happening right now, then I'm not surprised Mar 06 15:30:43 even on IRC it's quite best practice to either have an implicit or explicit subject giving a concise but precise idea of the topic and the involved backgound, or alternatively narrow down the communication channel to those addressees that don't need such subject as they already got the background and context Mar 06 15:31:35 MohammadAG: well you're not using GValue correctly in that thing you pasted into pastebin... Mar 06 15:32:06 villager, sorry, I'm a GLib/Gtk noob Mar 06 15:32:35 MohammadAG: according to GValue docs, the value needs to be initialized to nulls, so you should use GValue value = {0}; Mar 06 15:32:59 MohammadAG: also mafw docs says that the volume is G_TYPE_UINT, not G_TYPE_INT Mar 06 15:33:59 people who knows are there subversion in the maemo autobuilder installed? Mar 06 15:34:55 well Mar 06 15:35:03 at least it doesn't segfault now :) Mar 06 15:35:09 but still fails to change volume :/ Mar 06 15:36:58 well, can't help with that, I mostly know about glib/gtk/gstreamer and some hildon, but not mafw in particular Mar 06 15:38:23 ok, i'm a little confused here Mar 06 15:38:39 which package owns /usr/bin/top, by default? Mar 06 15:38:54 oh, sorry Mar 06 15:38:55 MohammadAG: but you're using G_TYPE_UINT and set_uint now? Mar 06 15:39:04 busybox Mar 06 15:39:07 didn't see busybox-symlinks-procps being uninstalled Mar 06 15:39:17 MohammadAG: surely busybox-symlinks-procps? Mar 06 15:39:19 oh, set_uint Mar 06 15:39:20 * MohammadAG tries Mar 06 15:39:37 /var/lib/dpkg/info/busybox-symlinks-procps.list:/usr/bin/top Mar 06 15:39:53 nm, i thought installing the real procps had somehow clobbered part of BB, before i noticed busybox-symlinks-procps being uninstalled Mar 06 15:40:27 villager, that worked, thanks :) Mar 06 16:04:59 villager, any ideas what warning: missing initializer for member '_GValue::data' means? Mar 06 16:05:29 MohammadAG: that sounds like a c++ thing Mar 06 16:06:06 well, I'm mixing C and C++ since mafw is C/GObject and Qt is C++ Mar 06 16:06:32 MohammadAG: other than "the member is missing an initializer", I wouldn't know without seeing the code... Mar 06 16:07:19 http://pastebin.com/P30FkzhG villager Mar 06 16:08:07 MohammadAG: on what line is the warning? the GValue value one? Mar 06 16:08:32 GValue value = {0}; Mar 06 16:09:20 MohammadAG: then I guess it's a case of c++ being more strict than c Mar 06 16:09:44 villager, any ideas if it can be hidden? I hate warnings Mar 06 16:12:50 MohammadAG: the cleanest might be to initialize the GValue using memset() instead of with a structure initializer... like GValue value; memset(&value, 0, sizeof(value)); Mar 06 16:14:35 MohammadAG: or maybe use glib's c++ bindings (glibmm) instead of its c interface, I suppose, but that might be more work and add more dependencies... Mar 06 16:15:15 villager, first solution worked fine :) Mar 06 16:17:01 hello Mar 06 16:17:16 what did you think of the design of my website : khertan.net ? Mar 06 16:18:41 khertan: looks OK Mar 06 16:18:51 Easy to read, reasonably fast loading. Mar 06 16:19:11 my reference device to test is n900 Mar 06 16:19:19 'in these communities' - ratehr than 'this community' Mar 06 16:19:19 over 3G :) Mar 06 16:19:31 indeed Mar 06 16:19:33 And minor similar grammar issues. Mar 06 16:19:38 arg Mar 06 16:19:52 But nothing really that 'leap out and smack you in the face' Mar 06 16:20:46 hum ... maybe i should try to found a open source grammatical corrector :) Mar 06 16:23:05 SpeedEvil, thx Mar 06 16:28:34 #baconstrips Mar 06 16:28:45 urghhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhhh Mar 06 16:28:55 Yo! noobmonk3y Mar 06 16:29:06 hey lcuky! Mar 06 16:29:15 * noobmonk3y is having an n900 related problem!!! urghhh Mar 06 16:29:25 oooooooooo maybe not! Mar 06 16:29:30 yay the flashing finally worked! Mar 06 16:30:08 hows #maemo #meego etc? :) Mar 06 16:30:51 noobmonk3y, today is hard. Mar 06 16:31:06 the house is full of smell of cooking pork Mar 06 16:31:13 hbahahaha! Mar 06 16:31:15 why so hard?! Mar 06 16:31:15 and I am just about ready to eat hind leg off a donkey Mar 06 16:31:18 that is good! Mar 06 16:31:26 * lcuk is starving Mar 06 16:31:32 ooo my n900 feels new again! my first full flash + eemc Mar 06 16:31:35 * MohammadAG hands lcuk a trout Mar 06 16:31:38 emmc* Mar 06 16:31:41 he mo ;) Mar 06 16:31:42 and it will not be ready for another 65 minutes Mar 06 16:31:44 hey* Mar 06 16:31:50 hey noobmonk3y :D Mar 06 16:32:13 6356 lines of code in the foss mediaplayer, and it's not done yet :D Mar 06 16:32:38 woooops battery fell out Mar 06 16:32:45 wow!!! Mar 06 16:32:48 youve been a busy mo! Mar 06 16:33:03 hmm Mar 06 16:33:18 that counts the GPL license in all files Mar 06 16:33:21 lcuk, 2 days until pancake day... i have developed a 26 rasher bacon/pancake mix ;) Mar 06 16:33:22 * MohammadAG does more grepping Mar 06 16:33:35 noobmonk3y, 6355 of them are comments "how tf do I do this" Mar 06 16:33:41 lol!!!! Mar 06 16:33:43 and one line is shell("mediaplayer") Mar 06 16:33:50 oh well Mar 06 16:34:03 noobmonk3y, wow Mar 06 16:34:19 after last year I did not think you would improve on the 24rasher recipe Mar 06 16:35:42 hehehe! Mar 06 16:35:45 this one will be a beaut! Mar 06 16:35:49 might feed 4 i think Mar 06 16:35:50 lol Mar 06 16:36:11 noobmonk3y, yes, "might" feed 4 Mar 06 16:36:18 or one monkey Mar 06 16:37:20 hmmmmmmm Mar 06 16:37:25 where do i need to place the backup files Mar 06 16:37:30 for the n900 to see them? Mar 06 16:37:54 mydocs usually Mar 06 16:38:01 hmmmmmmmm Mar 06 16:38:08 I wonder why this is failing if (strcmp (name, MAFW_PROPERTY_RENDERER_VOLUME)) Mar 06 16:38:09 MyDocs/backups Mar 06 16:38:26 then one subfolder for each backup Mar 06 16:38:33 okies Mar 06 16:39:24 w000p restoring Mar 06 16:39:32 everything barra pps lol Mar 06 16:39:38 the phone has been useless for a month Mar 06 16:39:44 just constantly at 100% meh Mar 06 16:41:26 k, this is annoying Mar 06 16:41:49 lcuk, ever used strcmp? Mar 06 16:42:31 w000p brb - food Mar 06 16:44:08 MohammadAG: I don't know what you're trying to do, but the first thing to learn about strcmp is that it does not return a boolean... Mar 06 16:45:50 an integer, meh Mar 06 16:45:54 thanks again villager Mar 06 16:46:01 0 = match Mar 06 16:46:06 if you do use it as if it does (which I often do), you should at least know what it means... Mar 06 16:46:18 * MohammadAG tries if (strcmp (name, MAFW_PROPERTY_RENDERER_VOLUME) == 0) { Mar 06 16:46:30 villager, I've never used it :P Mar 06 16:47:24 for instance, you can use a logical NOT operator to check if it's returning 0 (since in C, 0 and false is the same thing), which would check for a match... Mar 06 16:47:56 i.e. ! strcmp(...9, which I often use because I'm lazy, but people say that using == is more readable Mar 06 16:48:16 ah, the reverse logic of the c library...gotta love qt ;) Mar 06 16:48:27 s/9/)/ Mar 06 16:48:28 villager meant: i.e. ! strcmp(...), which I often use because I'm lazy, but people say that using == is more readable Mar 06 16:50:33 got it Mar 06 16:50:48 though again, I've never used, I just use if (QString == QString) in Qt Mar 06 16:51:12 mafw support lyrics Mar 06 16:51:23 it's a shame the stock player never used this, the iPhone's player does Mar 06 16:53:24 in my opinion, neither C nor C++ are really suitable languages for newbie programmers... they were sort of designed for people who already knew what they were doing before they learned the language... Mar 06 16:54:32 when C was designed, everything that already existed made even less sense. Mar 06 16:54:43 well, that's the popular opinion anyway. personally, fortran is kinda nice. Mar 06 16:54:48 BCMM: pretty much, and people knew how to deal with that... Mar 06 16:54:59 villager, gotta start somewhere right? :) Mar 06 16:55:08 hmm Mar 06 16:55:41 C wasn't designed for people who had learned on BASIC. It was designed for FORTRAN programmers; all newbies should learn FORTRAN. Mar 06 16:56:14 what do you base your c and fortran connection on? Mar 06 16:56:20 pascal came bafore C Mar 06 16:56:27 and BASIC came almost 10 years before c Mar 06 16:57:06 lcuk: modern "basic" is completely unrecognisable Mar 06 16:57:14 but i didn't know pascal was that early Mar 06 16:57:28 villager: it was *supposed* to be wrong Mar 06 16:57:30 $ /opt/marble/bin/marble.sh Mar 06 16:57:32 Unsupported DBUS type: 0 Mar 06 16:57:33 Segmentation fault Mar 06 16:57:35 Same for you guys? Mar 06 16:57:43 i'm trying to question the idea that C was "designed for people who already know what they're doing" Mar 06 16:57:58 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_programming_languages Mar 06 16:58:35 C was just an evolution of B Mar 06 16:58:39 and came in 1971 Mar 06 16:58:43 BCMM: well, as far as I know, C was designed to appeal to BCPL programmers... Mar 06 17:00:21 * lcuk wonders which programming languages will be born in 2011 Mar 06 17:00:51 2011 will be the year of Haskell in the Mainstream!11 Mar 06 17:01:01 Finally!11 Mar 06 17:02:00 not the year of linux? Mar 06 17:02:12 Though I hear that every year -.- Mar 06 17:02:46 for me, every year is a year of linux anyway Mar 06 17:03:37 So. What about marble. segfaults for you, too? Mar 06 17:12:20 damn, my SIP account blunders. Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2, while the other N900 with Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1 works just fine Mar 06 17:14:35 Installed: 0.6.2-0maemo1+0m5 Mar 06 17:14:37 Candidate: 0.6.2-0maemo4+0m5 Mar 06 17:14:40 o.O Mar 06 17:20:53 what's surprising there Mar 06 17:21:39 besides creative numbering Mar 06 17:22:19 the fact I got a newer candidate which doesn't get installed Mar 06 17:22:31 anyway installed it manually, didn't help Mar 06 17:23:17 I ponder to install Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1 Mar 06 17:25:09 villager: it is quite readable to read if !foo() since it maps to "if not foo..." Mar 06 17:25:55 My N810 diablo yust works fine, my N900 PR1.1 with PK46 just works fine. Only my N900 PR1.2 with no particular tweaks to telephony acts up on SIP Mar 06 17:26:59 that's a real PITA Mar 06 17:27:18 mhe Mar 06 17:27:31 I already compared the settings, even the account config files, they are identical Mar 06 17:30:02 still on "new" N900 inbound SIP gets rejected immediately and logged as missed call, while for outbound calls in dialpad I can't select SIP service (button highlights but doesn't open a dropdown menu), from contacts I can select SIP call and it opens dialpad with notifier "call finished" - so same as inbound Mar 06 17:32:54 did you try the maemo4 version? Mar 06 17:33:03 is it related to the pr level? Mar 06 17:35:16 * javispedro is happy, grmgpsd works: http://depot.javispedro.com/nit/grmgpsd/activelog.png Mar 06 17:35:20 I tried the maemo4 version Mar 06 17:35:29 but it didn't help Mar 06 17:35:45 now it's really fsckdup :-/ Mar 06 17:35:48 Mar 6 18:32:19 IroN900 kernel: [17536.607788] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered Mar 06 17:35:50 Mar 6 18:32:23 IroN900 kernel: [17540.271789] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered Mar 06 17:35:51 Mar 6 18:32:23 IroN900 kernel: [17540.896759] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered Mar 06 17:35:53 Mar 6 18:32:24 IroN900 kernel: [17541.521881] HWRecoveryResetSGX: SGX Hardware Recovery triggered Mar 06 17:37:52 DocScrutinizer, reboot Mar 06 17:38:11 funny funny, surprise: this was after a reboot Mar 06 17:38:18 it can happen Mar 06 17:38:20 reboot again :) Mar 06 17:38:22 my n900 sometimes boots funny Mar 06 17:38:29 the sgx driver sucks. Mar 06 17:38:30 yeah, happened to me today Mar 06 17:38:36 must be the cosmos Mar 06 17:38:49 I think they're not fully initializing the hw somewhere Mar 06 17:39:01 well Mar 06 17:39:03 because a battery remove cycle usually ensures next boot it'll work. Mar 06 17:39:15 didn't the drivers get upgraded from PR1.1 to PR1.3? :) Mar 06 17:39:18 cool stuff javispedro - so n900 acts as bluetooth or usb gps? Mar 06 17:39:40 pupnik_: bt, but it could potentially act as usb Mar 06 17:40:21 Has anyone heard of USB-gadget-pictbridge/ Mar 06 17:44:31 http://paste.debian.net/109760/ is what's happening when I try to initiate a SIP call from AddrBook (it gets cancelled immediately with notifier "call finished") Mar 06 17:46:42 well for inbound calls (that get "missed call" immediately) there's zero in syslog, so probably the above doesn't hold any hint Mar 06 17:47:12 * DocScrutinizer curses Telepathy-SofiaSIP Mar 06 17:47:33 s/-SofiaSIP// Mar 06 17:51:43 DocScrutinizer: are the sipgate calls cheaper than regular? I'm wonering if it buys me any functionality besides 'calls from laptop' Mar 06 17:52:09 what's "regular"? Mar 06 17:52:23 cell phone.. i.e. call from n900 over cell network Mar 06 17:53:43 http://www.sipgate.de/user/tariffs.php Mar 06 17:54:02 may be lots cheaper Mar 06 17:55:22 funny point I just see: to Egypt it's cheaper to call cellphones than landlines Mar 06 17:56:19 Bahamas as well Mar 06 17:57:18 Hong Kong Mar 06 18:01:51 Papua Newguinea, Ruanda, Surinam, Tansania, plus a few I prolly missed Mar 06 18:04:25 meh, a weird world. ten times cheaper to call a cellphone in Hong Kong than to call a cellphone 50m away Mar 06 18:05:40 plus this FU¶łł¼NG Telepathy-SofiaSIP is messing my daily cellphone's SIP functions Mar 06 18:08:16 SpeedEvil: pictbridge on N900? Mar 06 18:08:20 no Mar 06 18:09:10 yes Mar 06 18:09:39 I can't be bothered to chase down the dependancies for getting my printer working with linux. Mar 06 18:10:00 So I'm doing the stupid step of printing as jpegs, thenprinting those out. (it can read memory cards) Mar 06 18:10:10 pictbridge would make this easy. Mar 06 18:10:19 It can't read the n900 memory for some reason. Mar 06 18:10:36 :-/ Mar 06 18:11:42 weird: the printer acts as OTG device? Mar 06 18:12:00 No - it acts as USBhost Mar 06 18:12:05 or is there a dedicated receptacle for gadgets Mar 06 18:12:13 It can read memory sticks and cards. Mar 06 18:12:19 mine has a full size USB port Mar 06 18:12:32 aah, and connects to PC via something separate Mar 06 18:12:37 yeah Mar 06 18:12:45 * MohammadAG has a BT adapter connected Mar 06 18:13:41 DocScrutinizer: yes - it has a USB lead, and wireless Mar 06 18:13:50 SpeedEvil: try disabling bme. failure of ass rage mode might relate to charging Mar 06 18:14:02 hmm - that's a thought. Mar 06 18:17:44 GRRR I'd reflash PR1.2 if I could get all the apps installed again. I'd even give PR1.3 a shot if I could reflash to PR1.2 and get all the apps installed Mar 06 18:17:44 mass rage mode Mar 06 18:19:17 can't you? Mar 06 18:19:20 odds are SIP still broken in PR1.3, plus an arbitrary number of apps I like and which worked in PR1.2 Mar 06 18:19:32 but PR1.3 works fine :p Mar 06 18:19:32 SpeedEvil, canon? Mar 06 18:20:21 ShadowJK: No, printer. Mar 06 18:20:24 :) Mar 06 18:20:31 Lexmark all-in-one thingy. Mar 06 18:20:39 that's worse Mar 06 18:20:40 MohammadAG: so do all the apps and hacks and fixes I am using under PR1.2 currently? Mar 06 18:21:15 probably, yeah Mar 06 18:21:32 It had massive cartridges, 3 year guarantee was half price, scanner too, and I can put up with the silly print-jpeg step. Mar 06 18:21:48 probably is a poor statement for convincing me to risk my daily phone Mar 06 18:22:29 * ShadowJK bought HP laser specifically because they have decent Linux support Mar 06 18:22:36 a daily phone shouldn't have hacks :) Mar 06 18:22:45 says who? Mar 06 18:23:19 ShadowJK: yeah Mar 06 18:23:55 ShadowJK: well, not all of them. And esp not the scanners :-/ Mar 06 18:24:26 hplip is a PITA most times Mar 06 18:26:42 MohammadAG, not if it's Android. Mar 06 18:30:27 lol Mar 06 18:30:46 ShadowJK: 0 1000 22056 22619 20 0 0 0 exit Z ? 0:01 [python] /usr/bin/hp-toolbox Mar 06 18:31:57 damn I had no zombies since some 5 years, until I installed the drivers for P1505 Mar 06 18:33:04 now I know there's smething wrong when there is NO zombie process of hplip Mar 06 18:33:29 we had a rather large zombie invasion from the local graveyard a couple of years ago Mar 06 18:33:52 oh cripes, you meant computer zombies, nm wrong channel Mar 06 18:34:48 lcuk: any comments regarding my Telepathy-SofiaSIP problem? Mar 06 18:35:46 [2011-03-06 18:11:06] damn, my SIP account blunders. Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.6.2, while the other N900 with Telepathy-SofiaSIP/0.5.18.1 works just fine Mar 06 18:35:50 i have not been looking, but as you know beyond installation and actually trying to forward bugs know nothing technical about SIP itself Mar 06 18:37:02 yeah. Maybe you know what's current version of SofiaSIP, and when v0.6.2 got introduced Mar 06 18:38:20 what should I install on fremanle to get flv support in the media player, the related gstreamer package is installed imho. Mar 06 18:39:19 lcuk: nm, http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-sofiasip/ Mar 06 18:40:24 gstreamer0.10-flv - FLV gst plugin from the good set -> this one Mar 06 18:42:59 mplayer works just fine, but media player not, why so ? :o Mar 06 18:47:08 ~~i just checked in, to see what condition my condition was in Mar 06 18:47:53 My charger don't charge Mar 06 18:48:02 Is it the phone or the charger? Mar 06 18:48:06 yes Mar 06 18:48:59 Does it charge if you plug it into a PC? Mar 06 18:50:32 The screen ligths up Mar 06 18:50:39 But it doesn't seem to charge Mar 06 18:50:51 there it started Mar 06 18:52:32 who thought we need that scary requester in i2ctools install pkg? It's a pita when installing sth via ssh and apt-get, when there's a requester popping up on N900 screen and you sit there and wonder WTH is going on (or NOT going on) after apt-get spew out that Mar 06 18:52:36 YOU HAVE BEEN WARNED! Mar 06 18:52:37 WARNING!===============WARNING!===============WARNING! Mar 06 18:55:27 SpeedEvil: ?? Mar 06 19:01:57 "what is a pandora"? http://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=159900944064603&set=a.159900854064612.44878.116214111766620&ref=nf Mar 06 19:04:35 ~flashing Mar 06 19:04:36 flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 06 19:04:44 correct, infobot, and thanks Mar 06 19:25:45 moin Mar 06 19:42:48 hrm Mar 06 19:43:09 Is there a "debugmode" or something that I can turn on while booting so i can see what exactly is wrong? Mar 06 19:43:25 Because my phone refuses to proceed when coming to loading screen, and reflashing didn't have any effect Mar 06 19:44:27 FIQ: what did you reflash? emmc and rootfs? Mar 06 19:46:16 flasher-3.5.exe -F /path/to/fw.bin -f Mar 06 19:46:28 and it worked, no errors occured Mar 06 19:46:35 but the device still refuses to boot Mar 06 19:46:52 Was the the emmc or root image? Mar 06 19:47:16 rootfs Mar 06 19:47:22 Venemo, heeeeey Mar 06 19:47:38 Hrm Mar 06 19:47:44 i.e. RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Mar 06 19:47:50 you could flash a custom kernel with framebuffer enabled Mar 06 19:48:55 Isn't rootfs reflash supposed to wipe out every possible error btw? Mar 06 19:49:07 mostly Mar 06 19:49:28 because, the device is able to boot w/o /home directory (it will create one -- but my point is, errors in there shouldn't really stop device from booting, or should it?) Mar 06 19:49:33 FIQ, technically yes. but i now 100 % Mar 06 19:50:04 if you have errors in user configs that are in /home/user and i don't know if it's on rootfs Mar 06 19:51:08 FIQ don't think so Mar 06 19:51:17 FIQ, what is the problem error you have? Mar 06 19:52:25 Cannot really supply something useful (i guess), as it is a GUI loading screen, but well, after the logo, when the loading screen appears, it continues loading infinitly Mar 06 19:53:57 Should I attempt to reflash eMMC as well? Mar 06 19:55:01 i think try to flash Mar 06 19:55:03 And if so, how long would it take? (my battery isn't that full...) Mar 06 19:55:09 nothing worse can happen Mar 06 19:55:30 eMMC content 10.2010.13-2 <-- what PR version is that? Mar 06 19:56:07 PR1.2? Mar 06 19:57:21 because any PRs doesn't really seem to have same version number Mar 06 20:10:21 sorry for noob question, but how do I reinstall mp-fremantle-generic-pr via dpkg? (apt-get fails due to dependencies) Mar 06 20:12:42 ./flasher-3.5 -F RXBLAH-fiasco.bin -f ? Mar 06 20:12:43 :) Mar 06 20:13:18 you don't Mar 06 20:13:28 old versions are removed when a new PR is out Mar 06 20:13:32 fsck Mar 06 20:14:42 >:-( Mar 06 20:15:19 i'll FLASH this piece of sh*t! Mar 06 20:15:35 SSU - a hoax Mar 06 20:15:51 hi folks, is it possible to make a "bin" file from my current rootfs on n900, so that next time i needed to reflash it, i can use this image instead of the *_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin? in this way, i don't need to recustomize the phone after a flash, much like how a "ghost" image works Mar 06 20:15:54 dependecies... Mar 06 20:15:59 upstart or busybox! Mar 06 20:16:15 er, sysvinit-fs* Mar 06 20:16:32 danny___: nope Mar 06 20:17:13 danny___: you might want to have a look at backupmenu app Mar 06 20:17:48 and I might want to look at Mar 06 20:17:49 hrm... Mar 06 20:17:50 ~flash Mar 06 20:17:51 well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 06 20:17:52 now Mar 06 20:17:53 Now it actually booted Mar 06 20:17:57 With... no fonts :D Mar 06 20:18:03 (squares everywhere) Mar 06 20:18:14 ouch Mar 06 20:18:31 I guess my /opt somehow is breaked :P Mar 06 20:18:36 At least i can charge Mar 06 20:18:43 which i will do before any more attempt Mar 06 20:18:45 which you should do Mar 06 20:18:49 yeah Mar 06 20:19:17 DocScrutinizer, PR1.3? Pwease? Mar 06 20:19:19 ssh might have a better charset ;-) Mar 06 20:19:24 that way you can go with PR1.3.3.7 :P Mar 06 20:19:32 DocScrutinizer, :P Mar 06 20:19:36 uhm Mar 06 20:19:44 MohammadAG: please elaborate Mar 06 20:19:45 so... how should i connect to wlan now... Mar 06 20:19:49 CSSU Mar 06 20:20:02 why the f is tracker broken in the X86 SDK :/ Mar 06 20:20:35 you mean CSSU should update a fsckdup PR1.2 with mp-fremantle-generic-pr removed and incompatible pkg installed? Mar 06 20:20:48 DocScrutinizer: ok thanks i will look into backupmenu Mar 06 20:20:51 no, I meant if you're flashing it, go with PR1.3 Mar 06 20:21:14 that's the purpose of the whole enterprise Mar 06 20:21:27 but i can't see how charged the device is :( Mar 06 20:21:33 due to no images, no fonts, nothing Mar 06 20:21:42 lock, watch LED Mar 06 20:21:49 ok, _some_ images, like BG Mar 06 20:21:52 oh, true Mar 06 20:22:34 GRRRRRRRRRRRRRR mp-fremantle-generic-pr what a PITA Mar 06 20:23:22 lol, i had _one_ image in the menu - a broken xterm icon Mar 06 20:28:01 <_0x47> Hi all, how can I check in debian/preinst if installation was called from HAM (instead of apt-get)? Mar 06 20:30:02 YAY, even when removing the conflicting pkgs, an apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr isn't exactly cheering Mar 06 20:30:16 978 upgraded, 27 newly installed, 1 to remove and 31 not upgraded. Mar 06 20:30:17 Need to get 69,8MB of archives. Mar 06 20:30:19 After this operation, 25,1MB of additional disk space will be used. Mar 06 20:30:52 well fsckit, YES!! do it Mar 06 20:31:22 are you sure it's not the pr1.3 mp-fremantle-generic-pr then? Mar 06 20:31:23 DocScrutinizer, maybe you're attempting to do an upgrade Mar 06 20:31:29 * DocScrutinizer is fetching popcorn and a can of tranquilizers Mar 06 20:31:39 because of the use of mp-generic-fremantle-pr is just that Mar 06 20:31:49 I'm sure it IS the pr1.3 Mar 06 20:32:21 the whole purpose of this enterprise is an update to PR1.3 though Mar 06 20:32:48 and MohammadAG told me the PR1.2 mp-generic isn't available anymore Mar 06 20:33:37 so I'll happily watch it going bonkers, then reflash Mar 06 20:34:11 or maybe first try to restore the image created with backmenu, just for fun Mar 06 20:38:26 hi people, good nights, Do we have rubybox or similar front end dosbox for our n900? Mar 06 20:40:58 so far it's been a smooth ride - said the guy falling off the roof when he passed floor 13 Mar 06 20:45:43 meh, while xchat is running Mar 06 20:45:56 O/ Mar 06 20:52:23 Unpacking cherry (from .../cherry_0.25-1+0m5_armel.deb) ... GRRRRR Mar 06 20:53:42 hello everyone , could anyone please give me a brief steps on how to get mer on my N900 ? Mar 06 20:55:37 Mer is dead. Mar 06 20:57:02 * Error in type 'application/atom+xml' Mar 06 20:57:03 * (in /usr/share/mime/packages/freedesktop.org.xml): Mar 06 20:57:05 * Unknown freedesktop.org field 'generic-icon'. Mar 06 20:57:29 Updating icon cache... Mar 06 20:57:31 Setting up mp-fremantle-generic-pr (20.2010.36-2) ... Mar 06 20:57:35 i know its been substituted with meego but i just want to test it Mar 06 20:57:43 now let's see... ;-D Mar 06 20:58:54 hah, X restarted, xchat autostarted ;-D Mar 06 21:00:19 ezisto, info should be on the wiki. Mar 06 21:02:43 i had a look at the wiki and i managed to get it to boot, the problem is touch screen is not working Mar 06 21:04:05 and in order to boot it i had to use NITDroid kernel, so i guess this is the problem Mar 06 21:04:13 CTRL+SHIFT+X Mar 06 21:04:19 sudo tscalibrate Mar 06 21:04:25 attempt to calibrate it Mar 06 21:04:54 you can't boot maemo with the nitdroid kernel Mar 06 21:05:19 not maemo Mar 06 21:05:38 I'm talking about Mer Mar 06 21:09:17 meh, update done, SIP still borked Mar 06 21:11:11 aah now it works Mar 06 21:12:48 now for cherries Mar 06 21:13:51 MohammadAG let's port ms-dos to n900 =) Mar 06 21:14:06 Venemo, ping Mar 06 21:14:34 ZogG, pong. I'm way over my head right now, thanks to both my gf and my family :( Mar 06 21:15:06 Venemo =( Mar 06 21:15:16 small question though? Mar 06 21:15:24 ZogG: I'm listening Mar 06 21:15:36 http://www.newty.de/fpt/callback.html#howto -> 3.2 How to Implement a Callback in C ? Mar 06 21:15:48 can it be usefull /used by me? Mar 06 21:17:07 ZogG, yes, all C frameworks use this concept :) Mar 06 21:20:02 Venemo nice, than i wouldn't even need that mucg that notify function Mar 06 21:21:42 ZogG: actually, that function does the same thing under the hood Mar 06 21:21:56 ZogG: you give it a pointer to a callback function which it will call back Mar 06 21:22:42 Venemo, ok - i would try to dig into it Mar 06 21:22:55 sup people Mar 06 21:22:57 but you talk to me when you have time coz i would need help Mar 06 21:23:01 sup Mar 06 21:23:32 wtf is meego.gitorious in the topic+ Mar 06 21:23:35 ? Mar 06 21:25:17 topic Mar 06 21:25:22 damn.. Mar 06 21:25:38 ZogG, of course Mar 06 21:26:07 ZogG, I'm very sorry for this. I know I promised you, but my father has some stuff that need to be done very urgently Mar 06 21:26:46 Venemo, no worries Mar 06 21:27:02 clalbacks in gtk confuzed me for quite a while Mar 06 21:32:52 ...seriously Mar 06 21:33:09 i've reflashed again, and now i'm back at the "not booting" state Mar 06 21:33:17 uh, what Mar 06 21:33:20 NOW Mar 06 21:33:28 after like 5 minutes Mar 06 21:33:48 the first boot is longer, but if i reminded correct it weren't that long Mar 06 21:33:50 oh well Mar 06 21:37:25 FIQ: you got a booting device? Mar 06 21:42:03 yes :D Mar 06 21:42:11 a clean one as well Mar 06 21:42:24 (which i've wanted for weeks but been to lazy to reflash) Mar 06 21:51:55 <_0x47> Hi, how can I check if an installation was started from HAM or apt-get in script (debian/preinst)? Mar 06 21:52:20 <_0x47> in a* script Mar 06 21:54:02 MohammadAG: CSSU installed - what now?? :-D Mar 06 21:55:57 DocScrutinizer, it goes like this: Mar 06 21:56:00 install cssu Mar 06 21:56:02 ???? Mar 06 21:56:03 profit Mar 06 21:56:05 ;) Mar 06 21:56:19 FSCK, brighness applet has ONE setting >:-( Mar 06 21:56:49 now THAT IS *GREAT* Mar 06 21:56:49 FIQ \o/ welcome back Mar 06 21:58:50 DocScrutinizer more than one options for pussies =) Mar 06 21:59:28 don't get me started, I'm seriously pissed!!! Mar 06 22:00:17 WHAT A SHIT IS THIS?? Mar 06 22:00:37 DocScrutinizer: /quit Mar 06 22:01:14 nah, I need somebody to shout at Mar 06 22:01:22 MohammadAG: !!!! Mar 06 22:03:08 lol Mar 06 22:03:42 DocScrutinizer: go to 4chan or something Mar 06 22:04:00 <_0x47> Why does my application run fine from terminal (normal user), but not from an icon? The problem: In the beginning the sound will not work, but later the whole app will crash. Mar 06 22:05:35 run-standalone.sh Mar 06 22:06:28 * pupnik decides to blame it on MohammadAG Mar 06 22:06:45 crashanddie црфе шы 4срфт, Mar 06 22:06:53 what is 4chan? Mar 06 22:07:05 Baby don't hurt me. Don't hurt me. No more. Mar 06 22:07:06 lol Mar 06 22:07:17 crashanddie ? Mar 06 22:07:33 google it Mar 06 22:07:40 and go to the /b/ board Mar 06 22:07:55 crashanddie, disgusting Mar 06 22:08:06 how you even thought of suggestion such things Mar 06 22:08:18 <_0x47> DocScrutinizer: that doesn't seem to help Mar 06 22:08:36 _0x47 what app? Mar 06 22:08:43 ZogG: you seem to think that would somehow be my concern? Mar 06 22:08:56 I wish somebody would suggest what to check for why brightness setting is reduced from 5 to 1 step Mar 06 22:08:59 crashanddie damn, you are boring to troll Mar 06 22:09:13 DocScrutinizer: works fine here Mar 06 22:09:22 <_0x47> ZogG: vcmi Mar 06 22:09:24 CSSU? Mar 06 22:09:29 I can kick your ass and make it interesting for everyone? Mar 06 22:09:38 _0x47, what is dat? Mar 06 22:09:58 crashanddie nope, you can't. if you kick me you only accept your fail =) Mar 06 22:10:00 <_0x47> ZogG: some HOMM3 game engine rewrite... Mar 06 22:10:18 ok Mar 06 22:10:36 oh Mar 06 22:10:41 <_0x47> it works from command line all the time (even the run-standalone.sh works) but not from the .desktop file Mar 06 22:11:02 <_0x47> Exec = run-standalone.sh vcmiclient Mar 06 22:11:05 <_0x47> no sound :( Mar 06 22:11:29 _0x47 check what parameters desctop file uses Mar 06 22:11:40 DocScrutinizer, works fine for me Mar 06 22:11:41 <_0x47> parameters for? Mar 06 22:11:50 CSSU and checked all steps work fine Mar 06 22:11:56 _0x47 for launch Mar 06 22:12:08 just check how does it launch from icon Mar 06 22:12:19 where are those icons are saved? Mar 06 22:12:21 *sigh* thanks ZogG Mar 06 22:12:29 <_0x47> ZogG: well, none, as I said: "Exec = run-standalone.sh vcmiclient" or "Exec = vcmiclient" Mar 06 22:12:50 DocScrutinizer, try to reboot, did you tried cssu tuner or something? what were last steps? Mar 06 22:12:58 <_0x47> saved in /usr/share/application/hildon/ i thing Mar 06 22:13:02 <_0x47> think* Mar 06 22:13:17 <_0x47> yes, confirmed Mar 06 22:13:38 I rebooted 3 times now, and no cssu tuner. last step: install PR1.3 update & CSSU Mar 06 22:14:19 _0x47 niope, not there Mar 06 22:14:32 were you using simple brightness applet prior to CSSU? Mar 06 22:14:43 <_0x47> sry typo: /usr/share/applications/hildon/ Mar 06 22:14:51 <_0x47> applications* (with s) Mar 06 22:15:06 tried that Mar 06 22:15:42 DocScrutinizer, as idon't know what are you talking about i bet nope Mar 06 22:15:56 <_0x47> ZogG: then your N900 is broken? :D Mar 06 22:16:09 and I bet nobody else tested CSSU with simple brightness applet Mar 06 22:16:24 _0x47, nope Mar 06 22:16:28 <_0x47> ZogG: o, you mean the icon, or the .desktop file? Mar 06 22:16:54 what is simple brightness applet for... existing applet works Mar 06 22:16:54 _0x47, oh my bad Mar 06 22:16:56 it is there Mar 06 22:17:08 i just forgot i used cd and not cat =) Mar 06 22:17:18 <_0x47> :D Mar 06 22:17:48 pupnik: well, how do you change brightness? Mar 06 22:17:55 _0x47 try cat /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi Mar 06 22:18:00 _0x47 try cat /usr/share/application/hildon/vcmi.desktop * Mar 06 22:18:21 <_0x47> here? Mar 06 22:18:24 what's the star for? Mar 06 22:18:24 DocScrutinizer i don't usually but there is settings -> display -> brightness Mar 06 22:18:27 <_0x47> sec Mar 06 22:18:31 meh Mar 06 22:18:33 _0x47 on n900 Mar 06 22:18:43 that's what simple brightness applet is for Mar 06 22:18:46 crashanddie star is for mistypo Mar 06 22:18:51 it's an applet in system area Mar 06 22:18:59 <_0x47> ZogG: :D sure, I mean if you want to see it... Mar 06 22:19:29 DocScrutinizer, just to show hw i love you i'll try Mar 06 22:19:36 wait till i install it Mar 06 22:21:14 changing brightness is the most frequently used action on my devices (except taskswitching maybe) so it's essential for usability to have it in system area menu Mar 06 22:21:20 <_0x47> ZogG: http://pastebin.com/kjY3NQki Note: the comments are there for trial and error reasons (to check if it works) Mar 06 22:22:22 _0x47 wait, did you try without comments? Mar 06 22:22:42 <_0x47> ZogG: this is the original file http://pastebin.com/qunxD30B Mar 06 22:22:53 and what if you set terminal true? it would open terminal first and maybe wouldn' close it but it may work Mar 06 22:23:08 <_0x47> and I also tried with Terminal=true and ...ShowInToolbar=true Mar 06 22:23:41 _0x47 when you use standalone did it launch? Mar 06 22:24:28 <_0x47> it *always* launches, but there is no sound if launched from the icon Mar 06 22:24:42 DocScrutinizer: click on widgets and brightness is in lower-right Mar 06 22:25:04 oh that *is* simple brighness applett Mar 06 22:25:07 err wut? Mar 06 22:25:11 sorry Mar 06 22:25:39 yeah, and it has ONE sector / sliderbutton here Mar 06 22:25:46 _0x47 i have no idea, try to ask guys on forum if someone had those problems and if they resolved them Mar 06 22:26:03 <_0x47> ok thanks anyways Mar 06 22:26:25 i just tryd to tell you what i would check =) Mar 06 22:27:09 good night Mar 06 22:27:21 <_0x47> ZogG: yeah, thanks! good night Mar 06 22:29:20 "Nokia keeps the plan to release a MeeGo based device this year" - quim... i hope he's right! Mar 06 22:31:00 elop told that. Mar 06 22:32:34 Somewhat off-topic. Is 'Quim' an unfortunate name in anywhere else than the UK? Mar 06 22:33:26 hum, why? Mar 06 22:33:57 http://www.urbandictionary.com/define.php?term=quim (slang for ladyparts) Mar 06 22:34:16 Not commonly used. Mar 06 22:35:32 SpeedEvil: not in Poland Mar 06 22:48:30 SpeedEvil: I'm Irish and I've never heard of it Mar 06 22:53:41 afaik, quim is actually an abbreviation of "joaquim" (a much more common name around here); however quim seems to always write it as quim. Mar 06 23:14:30 Sorry - I should probably not ask questions like that - just woke up. Mar 06 23:14:38 My filters don't work then. Mar 06 23:21:45 * pupnik tries to shake off February 11 funk Mar 06 23:26:45 SpeedEvil: this seemingly confirms my suspicion: every single word in British English means (or has meant) "ladyparts" at one point in time and a specific place. Mar 06 23:27:09 :) Mar 06 23:27:30 There are basically four definitions on urbandictionary, seemingly. Mar 06 23:30:14 i wonder if the meego device will run maemo apps Mar 06 23:31:56 Can't someone open-source make symbian and android apps availeble on maemo? Mar 06 23:34:05 Yes. Mar 06 23:34:25 They have to however invest a considerable amount of time and effort into it. Mar 06 23:34:34 So they have to consider it's worth it. Mar 06 23:34:45 I can pay 37 bitcoins Mar 06 23:35:52 SpeedEvil: And if we had all the android software, and the symbian, our phone would be one fifth more win that the others Mar 06 23:36:01 Sure. Mar 06 23:36:14 How much are bitcoins exchanging at currently? Mar 06 23:36:24 I imagine it'd be at least several months of work. Mar 06 23:36:28 But I can actually only think of 3-4 android apps I want Mar 06 23:36:34 0,8 last I checked Mar 06 23:37:15 Considering not even Nokia can make a symbian app work on every phone, I'd be extremely surprised if one could actually make a symbian emulator that could run a meaningful number of apps... Mar 06 23:37:44 ShadowJK: Someone in Nokia has run sybian under a linux phone, I assume it was meego Mar 06 23:37:50 You dont need an emulator Mar 06 23:38:00 Besides, is there a single usable symbian program? Mar 06 23:38:26 Also - symbian is not binary compatible. Mar 06 23:38:42 So you'd need an emulator layer too. Or live with source level compatibilty. Mar 06 23:39:10 Well there's binfmt... Mar 06 23:39:28 But I still assume it's a wine level of effort Mar 06 23:39:43 At best, yes, if the processors are binary compatible. Mar 06 23:40:07 But symbian is open-source Mar 06 23:40:10 Windows is not Mar 06 23:40:44 Symbian is open-source, yes. Mar 06 23:40:50 That does not mean the apps are. Mar 06 23:41:17 I wonder if opensource symbian actually runs anything, didn't they rewrite a whole bunch of stuff for that? Mar 06 23:42:23 I'd be pretty surprised if it was capable of running s60v3,v5 stuff, maybe symbian^3 apps.. Mar 06 23:45:28 I read a comment about some nokia dudes doing that bellow an article about how a company makes a program that converts android programs to run on maemo Mar 06 23:46:45 A lot of the momentum got killed some months before meego got launched. Mar 06 23:46:57 When nokia began dissuading companies from developing for maemo Mar 06 23:47:08 (at least this is my perception) Mar 06 23:49:50 Do you think someone could get a hold of Alien Dalvik? Mar 06 23:50:39 Contact the people that make it. Mar 06 23:53:32 Maybe I'll just wait for IcedRobot then Mar 06 23:53:39 GAN900: You might find this interesting: http://forum.xda-developers.com/showthread.php?t=981688 Mar 06 23:59:49 Hey guys, where would I find a dbus call etc. that would disable the cell modem, and another call to re-enas Mar 06 23:59:56 *re-enable it Mar 07 00:01:46 what's a good linux music player that can be remote controlled from my n900? Mar 07 00:01:56 ok Mar 07 00:02:09 this obscure keyboard repeat turn on setting Mar 07 00:02:12 what was it? Mar 07 00:02:59 internetishard: mplayer Mar 07 00:03:40 how would that work? Mar 07 00:03:50 I'd like to use something like amarok Mar 07 00:05:49 find . -iname "*.mp3" -mtime -40 -exec mplayer \-shuffle \-quiet {} + Mar 07 00:05:51 for e.g. Mar 07 00:07:38 hi, any ideas on using a nook (ebook reader) as an output device? I want to use the OS/programs/GPS of my n900 on a display device mounted in my car which is a "nook" (basically a large touch screen device) Mar 07 00:09:03 hi, does any one have a fix, or point me in direction of a fix for this sms issue where it doesn't store txt etc. Mar 07 00:09:27 I had problems with texting after a reboot it fixed the problem Mar 07 00:09:44 newbie007: does thenook have bt? Mar 07 00:10:59 SpeedEvil: it only has a usb port, but I can connect to a remote terminal via usb. Currently the OS on it is some Android variant,, can say I'm a fan of Android. I can change the OS though Mar 07 00:11:06 Ah. Mar 07 00:11:15 done that newbie007 Mar 07 00:12:14 i remeber reading some where on maemo.org about some possible fixs but i can't find it :S Mar 07 00:15:52 hmm andriod i like Mar 07 00:15:53 :D Mar 07 00:17:45 *can't say I'm a fan of Android.. Geo-location stuff Mar 07 00:18:38 i still like this e71 as a phone Mar 07 00:19:19 for me the n900 is the best phone ever, if it's dead I'm sorry to hear it Mar 07 00:19:53 n900 ok but just few issues with it! Mar 07 00:30:16 i think cell phones already exceed what the average persons wants to do with them Mar 07 00:30:56 the things that have growth potential seem to be services, related to location Mar 07 00:31:04 Or tracking. Mar 07 00:31:11 'i want to do this' 'i'm looking for that' Mar 07 00:31:26 "augmented reality" seems wanted Mar 07 00:31:44 'A girl that others have rated as having really nice breasts is about to come round that corner'. Mar 07 00:32:06 That's the killer app right there. Mar 07 00:32:18 'here's her favorite music. start playing on speaker now?' Mar 07 00:33:10 'She is on a diet tracking website, and eats a bagel about this time. The shop over there sells bagels consistently rated excellent' Mar 07 00:36:13 always feels a bit blase when a technology matures Mar 07 00:36:34 ... like watching your wife get fat Mar 07 00:37:11 Treadmill + generator. Mar 07 00:39:36 how do you recommend I mount a 100Gig volume over the network for playing music on the n900? Mar 07 00:39:51 I know there is a mpd client for the n900, but I don't know about an mpd server Mar 07 00:40:21 furthermore, I might want a script to downcode some of the music so that it streams over 3g and 2g when I'm not on wifi Mar 07 00:42:44 internetishard, just guessing here, but perhaps you're looking for http://maemo.org/packages/view/zhaan/ Mar 07 00:43:39 not really sure what that is, but I guess I'll try it Mar 07 00:47:45 internetishard: oh you want to play media on the N900, not on the PC? Mar 07 00:47:59 i prefer Knots2 for that Mar 07 00:48:36 I think I've figured out playing media on the PC via the n900, now I want visa versa (playing it on the n900) Mar 07 00:49:08 internetishard: Why not just take a ~16G subset of your music? Mar 07 00:50:45 that's slow and reduces random-access Mar 07 00:51:19 I do, but I also want access to all of it Mar 07 00:51:59 plus, eventually, I'd like to be able to stream movies by doing this too (the server will down encode them to something that can stream without buffering over wifi or even 3g Mar 07 00:52:10 \o/ got the CSSU issue and the broken VoIP (and the brightness slider) sorted Mar 07 00:53:13 what was the problem DocScrutinizer ? Mar 07 00:53:24 now I realize it's not allowed by sipgate (or by router) to call my own SIP number, even when I got multiple clients registered and online Mar 07 00:54:12 pupnik: dependency hell with modified-hildon-desktop vs hildon-desktop-CSSU on 140 vs 142 revision Mar 07 00:55:43 so DO NOT install CSSU when you got MHD installed, or even when you downgraded to the 140 version Mar 07 00:56:38 I still fail to completely understand how that circle dependency worked, but it mad CSSU fail to install hildon-desktop142 Mar 07 00:56:53 made* Mar 07 00:58:25 this in turn caused the cssu-enabler to abort, which borked the brightness applet, and you couldn't apt-get remove the MHD because of CSSU dependency Mar 07 00:58:35 something alng that line Mar 07 00:58:37 I hope you've figured out how to get paid doing this stuff DocScrutinizer Mar 07 00:58:48 alas not yet Mar 07 00:59:10 the oven has improved my usb connector Mar 07 00:59:20 heh :-D Mar 07 00:59:26 DocScrutinizer: that's a lot of keyboard shortcuts! in MHD Mar 07 00:59:59 seems like it was written just for you Mar 07 01:00:10 yeah, MHD aka CSSU-HD142 has some nice shortcuts Mar 07 01:04:01 a short demo: (key+ means press and hold, key- means release) ctrl+, bs+, ctrl-, ..., ctrl, ctrl, ctrl, ctrl+, bs-, bs, bs, bs, bs+, ctrl-, bs-. --- shift-s closes 2nd-left 2nd-topmost app Mar 07 01:04:34 do you ever toggle compositing? Mar 07 01:04:55 don't even know what's that supposed to do Mar 07 01:05:22 \"ctrl-shift-n toggles composite mode " Mar 07 01:05:37 I tried and couldn't tell the diff Mar 07 01:06:04 so it didn't disable blur/transitions Mar 07 01:06:06 interesting Mar 07 01:06:21 aah, transitions and blurr Mar 07 01:06:26 lemme check Mar 07 01:07:53 can't tell any diff - still does transitions, still there's blurr when menu opens Mar 07 01:09:42 ok interesting Mar 07 01:09:48 god i love having 'locate' on n900 now Mar 07 01:11:08 meh, still doesn't work here though I installed it and afaik even kicked off an update-db once Mar 07 01:11:18 it installs to the wrong bin dir Mar 07 01:11:34 like /usr/bin/gnu/bin or something like that Mar 07 01:12:05 i just moved the files to /usr/bin and it works Mar 07 01:12:48 leme check Mar 07 01:16:53 else Mar 07 01:16:54 : ${BINDIR=/usr/bin} Mar 07 01:17:04 : ${find:=${BINDIR}/find} Mar 07 01:17:23 so 'which locate' finds locate? Mar 07 01:17:25 IroN900:~# updatedb Mar 07 01:17:26 find: unrecognized: -fstype Mar 07 01:17:28 BusyBox v1.10.2 (Debian 3:1.10.2.legal-1osso30+0m5) multi-call binary Mar 07 01:17:51 Version: 4.4.2-1maemo7 << ? Mar 07 01:18:02 locate works great, updatedb doesn't Mar 07 01:18:15 does here Mar 07 01:18:35 that looks like a bug reported to the app though Mar 07 01:18:55 as the *good* find isn't in /usr/bin but in /usr/bin/gnu Mar 07 01:19:12 ahh Mar 07 01:19:20 yes i moved find up Mar 07 01:19:35 ~nuke messybox Mar 07 01:19:36 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at messybox ... B☢☢M! Mar 07 01:19:43 updatedb flies... like 30 seconds here Mar 07 01:20:26 actually that's kind of a bug in updatedb Mar 07 01:20:44 see -> : ${find:=${BINDIR}/find} Mar 07 01:20:56 should use path Mar 07 01:21:11 if find in $PATH Mar 07 01:21:33 ahh Mar 07 01:21:58 is /usr/bin/gnu in your path?? Mar 07 01:21:59 I got /usr/bin/gnu in my PATH Mar 07 01:22:04 ok Mar 07 01:22:06 :-D Mar 07 01:23:05 given the fact updatedb usually gets started via cron, it's a bit arguable how much it should benefit from that Mar 07 01:23:48 but a hardcoded BINDIR=/usr/bin looks fishy anyway Mar 07 01:23:55 hello I have fremantle on my n900 and the gps isnt finding anything at all. is that normal? im in west germany and others do work here fine like the 2nd google mobile phone by htc which ever that was Mar 07 01:24:33 insert a SIM, register to provider Mar 07 01:25:02 GPS is known to be sluggish without GSM Mar 07 01:25:13 i've never gotten a lock indoors here Mar 07 01:25:23 indoors, well Mar 07 01:25:28 depends here Mar 07 01:25:29 I never ran it without that Mar 07 01:25:43 sometimes takes 60s - sometimes never Mar 07 01:26:12 use location test app Mar 07 01:26:19 teh cruuze missiles always know where i am Mar 07 01:26:21 in extras-devel I guess Mar 07 01:26:56 Doc is that in the normal app repos? Mar 07 01:26:58 Tja: you have a recent OS? Mar 07 01:27:29 nah, I guess it's in extras-devel Mar 07 01:27:37 fremantle repos are up to date here Mar 07 01:28:02 just befor logging in i checked no updates Mar 07 01:28:13 even tools Mar 07 01:28:23 hm? Mar 07 01:29:05 location-test-gui: Installed: 0.93-1+0m5 500 http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/tools/non-free Packages Mar 07 01:29:40 you guys using the USB host mode successfully yet to plug in usb flash drives? Mar 07 01:29:52 sure Mar 07 01:30:14 I wouldn't have published it otherwise :-P Mar 07 01:33:00 Tja: http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_sdk-tools_non-free_armel/location-test-gui/0.93-1+0m5/ Mar 07 01:34:50 ok Mar 07 01:35:36 what is that tools repo fremantle-1.3? Mar 07 01:36:13 developer tools Mar 07 01:37:24 most of them for PC, in SB Mar 07 01:37:38 some work on N900 as well Mar 07 01:37:56 iirc Mar 07 01:38:12 whats the apt sources-list line? Mar 07 01:38:19 nfc Mar 07 01:38:26 wait a minute Mar 07 01:39:00 http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools see the first line under first white box Mar 07 01:40:22 btw sorry if I'm looking a lil illiterate but I'm at the device right now Mar 07 01:41:06 that's actually good, so you just need to click that link :-) Mar 07 01:41:45 awesome thanks Mar 07 01:41:49 it's not my fault if you ignore the warnings :-D Mar 07 01:43:06 Doc Im running sid on my normal wo4k box dont worry ;-) Mar 07 01:43:39 and I slowly grasp this derivative Mar 07 01:44:55 community is so cool here... making stuff like catorise Mar 07 01:44:58 and having a repo for it Mar 07 01:45:15 meh, apmefo >> catorise Mar 07 01:45:25 oh that's new to me Mar 07 01:46:29 apmefo has a clumsy config GUI. catorise has NO config Mar 07 01:46:35 is there a way to alien apkgs from android to be debs Mar 07 01:46:51 errrr Mar 07 01:47:09 android apps most likely won't run on maemo Mar 07 01:47:16 just asking dunno if thats possible Mar 07 01:47:20 if that's what you are asking Mar 07 01:47:26 ah Mar 07 01:47:41 android != linux Mar 07 01:47:42 hmm no chance poorting that jvm? Mar 07 01:47:51 yeah Mar 07 01:47:57 catorise is great for having no config :D Mar 07 01:48:01 and no, dalvik hasn't been ported (yet?) Mar 07 01:48:11 hum Mar 07 01:48:17 closed source one is waiting for oem deals Mar 07 01:48:33 or rather unreleased one Mar 07 01:48:45 android != debian is correct since android _has_ a linux core Mar 07 01:49:01 Tja: In the loosest sense. Mar 07 01:49:19 Tja: It is linux -yes. It's really not gnu/linux though. Mar 07 01:49:21 the kernel API differs quite a bit Mar 07 01:49:40 It's like saying that a dune buggy has the same engine as a fork lift. Mar 07 01:49:57 While this may be strictly true, it's not actually a useful observation. Mar 07 01:50:12 yeah Mar 07 01:50:27 moo SpeedEvil Mar 07 01:50:35 oow. Mar 07 01:52:35 ooɯ Mar 07 01:53:29 sıɥʇ ʎɐןdsıp uɐɔ ʇuǝıןɔ ɔɹı ɹnoʎ ǝdoɥ Mar 07 01:54:03 yep Mar 07 01:54:53 acwp was almost correct Mar 07 01:54:55 --- - --- - -- - - ---- - - - -- -- -. Mar 07 01:55:15 anyway gonna test it again later Mar 07 01:57:38 SpeedEvil: OTOTMTTxTTTMMT ?? Mar 07 01:58:03 Naah - that was edge-on letters. Mar 07 01:58:22 You need 3D to see them. Mar 07 01:58:28 aaah Mar 07 02:10:47 there used to be a 'cryopid' project to swap out linux processes to disc - sort of like what android does Mar 07 02:23:08 if you're loosely interested in dbus: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/dbus Mar 07 02:36:36 large copy operations still bog down the device Mar 07 02:36:45 swapolube doesn't seem to fix that Mar 07 02:37:02 waiting 1 minute for a ssh login Mar 07 02:38:16 swappiness=? Mar 07 02:38:31 ... still waiting for a shell Mar 07 02:38:35 how do i see that Mar 07 02:38:39 :-D Mar 07 02:39:37 3 minutes Mar 07 02:39:45 cat /proc/sys/vm/swappiness Mar 07 02:40:20 kill the copy as loong as you can in a gentle way Mar 07 02:40:41 odds are it might take days or weeks Mar 07 02:41:13 and eventually you just can remove battery Mar 07 02:41:31 well it managed to finish a 750 MB file Mar 07 02:41:32 powerbutton ->kill current task Mar 07 02:41:41 mhm Mar 07 02:41:57 no happiness with powerbutton Mar 07 02:42:29 don't stack up too many user actins, they all pile up in buffer Mar 07 02:43:00 device shut down Mar 07 02:43:07 eventually power menu will open, and you'll be happy if there's no other crap spoiling it Mar 07 02:43:10 ahh rebooting Mar 07 02:43:33 so you pressed the power button for >10s I guess Mar 07 02:44:10 swappiness 30 Mar 07 02:44:14 no i didn't Mar 07 02:44:15 o.O Mar 07 02:44:22 it probably thought i did Mar 07 02:44:27 scary Mar 07 02:44:45 is there a better swappiness setting? Mar 07 02:44:48 cat botreason Mar 07 02:44:55 boot even Mar 07 02:45:30 32wd_to Mar 07 02:46:30 damn, can't find the file Mar 07 02:46:39 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=69973 Mar 07 02:46:50 looks like something to try Mar 07 02:47:09 yeah Mar 07 02:47:27 still interested in bootreason FQN Mar 07 02:47:41 bootreason was 32wd_to Mar 07 02:47:53 FQN, not content Mar 07 02:48:03 what is FQN Mar 07 02:48:12 fully qualified name Mar 07 02:48:24 /proc/bootreason Mar 07 02:48:24 path/filename Mar 07 02:48:30 meh Mar 07 02:48:44 oooh lol, I searched on my PC Mar 07 02:49:44 got a "media is read-only until fixed" message Mar 07 02:50:53 ok so now MyDocs is corrupt Mar 07 02:51:23 that's what you'd expect on such action Mar 07 02:51:42 fsck from ass rage ->PC Mar 07 02:52:01 or umount and fsck on device Mar 07 02:52:35 'ass rage'? Mar 07 02:52:43 mass rage Mar 07 02:52:48 sto rage Mar 07 02:53:01 oh Mar 07 02:53:50 differing fats... use first or second? Mar 07 02:53:57 err Mar 07 02:54:05 i'm guessing the second is the one before the error Mar 07 02:54:06 :shrug: Mar 07 02:54:12 yeah Mar 07 02:54:21 but it might not have the files that did copy Mar 07 02:54:29 so what Mar 07 02:54:38 yeah ok Mar 07 02:54:38 those a junk anyway Mar 07 02:56:11 (searched on my PC) time to chill Mar 07 02:57:19 this PR1.3 mp-fremantle-generic-pr upgrade plus CSSU deps hell fix experience was just too funny for one evening Mar 07 02:58:58 so ping me on my nice autostarted xchat on pr1.3 cssu if anything interesting flies by Mar 07 02:59:51 Android makes me miss "tap outside dialog to close". **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 07 02:59:57 2011