**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 07 02:59:57 2011 Mar 07 03:00:03 oh wow those vm changes made everything better Mar 07 03:01:14 wow! Mar 07 03:01:42 ? Mar 07 03:02:22 "Reducing I/O queues to 4 causes I/Os to block, rather than queue. This means you're less likely to encounter a situation where the queue is slammed by a large background process (ie. copying a 400mb file)" Mar 07 03:02:49 ssh login during copy took ~4 seconds Mar 07 03:04:23 parameter? Mar 07 03:09:09 0 > /sys/block/*/queue/nr-request Mar 07 03:09:14 or something such Mar 07 03:09:17 4 not 0 Mar 07 03:09:31 * ShadowJK used to run with 4 on N800 and N810 too :-) Mar 07 03:09:33 :nod: Mar 07 03:09:50 But now I'm using something ludicrously large on N900 Mar 07 03:12:41 128 here now Mar 07 03:12:51 for both Mar 07 03:13:37 what' that? IO requests, blocks? Mar 07 03:14:58 * DocScrutinizer51 ponders which initfile to tweak Mar 07 03:15:14 initscript Mar 07 03:15:21 heh one speaker decided to start working again Mar 07 03:15:40 lol Mar 07 03:15:51 aahh both! Mar 07 03:15:52 wtf Mar 07 03:16:09 muhahalol Mar 07 03:16:13 haha Mar 07 03:16:23 including the one i photographed taken apart Mar 07 03:16:33 wow Mar 07 03:16:38 incredible Mar 07 03:17:08 it's a bit quieter than the other Mar 07 03:18:04 any suggestions where to throw in that echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests ? Mar 07 03:18:41 in etc/init.d/* Mar 07 03:19:45 don't know.. i ran it in a shell as root Mar 07 03:20:41 lol @ nethack-common in /etc/init.d Mar 07 03:21:48 sure, but I'm not Seymor Cray Mar 07 03:22:19 I don't boot up my digital equipment by toggling in the bootloader via bit switches Mar 07 03:31:16 well, I did enough mess today, so a bootloop won't hurt XP - tossed it into rcS Mar 07 03:35:18 dmnit! somebody is probably writing those "128" to there, and it's done after my lines in rcS Mar 07 03:39:03 ShadowJK: who's setting the values initially? kernel defaults? Mar 07 04:00:40 etc/init.d/rcS: Mar 07 04:00:55 psx itself gets only 50% cpu - the rest is Xorg, hildon-desktop, pulseaudio Mar 07 04:00:59 echo 500 > /proc/sys/vm/dirty_expire_centisecs Mar 07 04:01:00 ++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots1" Mar 07 04:01:02 ++ echo 4 >/sys/block/mmcblk1/queue/nr_requests || echo "ohnoes, hope it boots2" Mar 07 04:01:06 heh Mar 07 04:01:28 it sucks when the OS is taking up 1/2 the cpu Mar 07 04:01:50 tested, works (as far as there's "4" in those sysnodes now, and it boots) Mar 07 04:02:14 psx? Mar 07 04:02:30 testing the newest playstation emulator Mar 07 04:02:36 aaah Mar 07 04:03:21 * DocScrutinizer pondering whether to cp ~/MySpace/1GBfile .. Mar 07 04:03:30 19.1 /usr/bin/Xorg 17.9 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop 11.4 /usr/bin/pulseaudio --system --high-priority Mar 07 04:03:32 MyDocs Mar 07 04:03:36 haha Mar 07 04:03:39 go for it Mar 07 04:03:44 works now, here Mar 07 04:03:53 :-D Mar 07 04:04:15 so edit your rcS to include it by default Mar 07 04:07:00 i can do that, but i won't yet Mar 07 04:08:12 hmm i've got the dropped ssh connection problem again Mar 07 04:08:26 it freezes until i re-ping something Mar 07 04:21:41 Last Measured Discharge: 1370 mA Mar 07 04:21:46 pretty happy Mar 07 04:25:45 sounds about right Mar 07 04:28:08 1380 here Mar 07 04:28:55 RS=22 Mar 07 04:31:55 Cycle Count since Learning: 4 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 66 Mar 07 04:36:17 hmm i have Cycle Count since Learning: 0 Total Cycle Count since last full reset: 0 Mar 07 04:37:19 does that mean the n900 doesn't know my new battery's capacity yet? Mar 07 04:38:08 yes Mar 07 04:38:39 but i discharged fully Mar 07 04:38:50 (charging occurred with external charger) Mar 07 04:39:48 it needs a full cycle, and even one doesn't suffice as those values don't change more than iirc 1/6 Mar 07 04:42:20 pupnik: well maybe it means you just finished the learning cycle Mar 07 04:42:30 what's your flags? Mar 07 04:42:40 mine 0x04 Mar 07 04:43:31 Flags: 0x90 Mar 07 04:44:16 http://paste.debian.net/109831/ Mar 07 04:47:50 good morning Mar 07 04:52:10 hiya Termana Mar 07 04:54:15 CI Capacity Inaccurate flag. A 1 indicates that the firmware has not been through a valid learning cycle Mar 07 04:58:01 VDQ Valid Discharge flag. A 1 indicates that the bqJUNIOR has met all necessary requirements for the firmware to learn the battery capacity. This bit clears to 0 on a LMD update or condition that disqualifies a learning cycle. This bit is cleared to 0 on all resets. Mar 07 04:59:39 (charging occurred with external charger) removing battery will reset the bq27200 after a few seconds Mar 07 05:15:21 EDV1 (3248mV) This register contains the scaled value of the voltage when the battery has 6.25% remaining capacity. When the battery reaches this threshold during a valid discharge, the device learns the full battery capacity, including the remaining 6.25%. Mar 07 05:16:57 EDV1 is a constant in EEPROM, it means you need to discharge a fully charged battery to 3.248V to complete a learning cycle Mar 07 05:19:16 is the n900 display somehow "IPS"? the colors are really stable Mar 07 05:19:33 aha... ty DocScrutinizer51 Mar 07 05:37:30 pupnik: your script runs with RS=30, this will give values way off what's correct Mar 07 05:40:39 it's amazing that ILMD (initial capacity default) is 1370mAh with RS=30, but my batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 - while ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=22 Mar 07 05:41:38 It seems like the chip's EEPROM has been programmed to work with 30, but actually the N900 is using 22 (or 20) now Mar 07 05:41:41 you mean 1839mAh with RS-30 ? Mar 07 05:41:51 no, with 22 Mar 07 05:42:14 your batgauge calculates LastMeasuredDischarge (real one) as 1380 with RS=22 ? Mar 07 05:42:24 yes Mar 07 05:42:25 and ILMD is 1869mAh with RS=22 Mar 07 05:42:27 ? Mar 07 05:42:29 yes Mar 07 05:42:43 so ILMD != LastMeasuredDischarge? Mar 07 05:43:20 so a few learning cycles adjusted LMD from 1869 initial (from EEPROM) to a real 1380 Mar 07 05:43:41 ILMD is the *initial* default value from EEPROM Mar 07 05:43:54 ohh Mar 07 05:44:14 on your reading both are 1370, as LMD got set to ILMD Mar 07 05:44:21 got it Mar 07 05:45:04 so this battery manufacturer may be honest Mar 07 05:45:16 mine is Mar 07 05:45:23 :-D Mar 07 05:46:03 you need to edit your script for RS=22, then discharge your battery from full to 3.248V Mar 07 05:47:19 and you need to do this 2 or 3 times, to tune the 1896mAh to the real capacity of your bat, as LMD adjusts by max 1/6 at a time afaik Mar 07 05:47:57 ~1869 / 6 * 5 Mar 07 05:47:58 1557.5 Mar 07 05:48:11 my ILMD=1370 Mar 07 05:48:15 ~1557 / 6 * 5 Mar 07 05:48:16 1297.5 Mar 07 05:48:34 pupnik: because your RS=30 Mar 07 05:49:16 ahhhh ILMD=2056 Mar 07 05:49:21 with RS=20 Mar 07 05:50:01 well since usb-charging is now miraculously good, i think i can try the discharge/recharge thing Mar 07 05:50:12 thanks, this will help me review the battery Mar 07 05:51:01 got a 'polarcell' Mar 07 05:51:14 http://paste.debian.net/109834/ Mar 07 05:53:36 pupnik: http://paste.debian.net/109835/ Mar 07 05:55:39 http://paste.debian.net/109836/ Mar 07 05:57:08 i see Mar 07 05:57:28 complicated Mar 07 05:57:40 well documented tho Mar 07 05:58:06 http://paste.debian.net/109837/ even better Mar 07 05:59:12 how did you find out the resistor was 20 not 30? Mar 07 05:59:45 why do i always ping heise.de to test Mar 07 06:00:10 web.de would be shorter, but heise.de is funner to type somehow Mar 07 06:02:01 somebody measured the current drawn from battery and compared that to bq27200 readout Mar 07 06:02:23 ah Mar 07 06:02:42 roughly spoken Mar 07 06:03:02 I'm rather sure it's 22mR Mar 07 06:03:08 not 20 Mar 07 06:03:39 YMMV Mar 07 06:03:50 1 milli Ohm isn't much Mar 07 06:04:11 can easily vary from device to device Mar 07 06:04:30 is 20ohm a possible 1% value? I'd think for stuff like this, you want a 1% not a 5% resistor Mar 07 06:04:40 milli Mar 07 06:04:50 and it's 2 in series Mar 07 06:04:55 20mohm I mean Mar 07 06:06:25 so quite possibly 2 * 10mR + 2mR for solderjoints and PCB traces Mar 07 06:06:42 or 2 * 11 Mar 07 06:06:55 both are usual values Mar 07 06:49:47 Hello all Mar 07 07:50:02 erm... I asked a few days ago about an N800 not finding a network another one found with no problems. It seems the "failing" one is an US version, unable to go over channel 11. Is that a hardware limitation or a software one? Mar 07 07:50:35 most likely firmware one Mar 07 07:51:32 ruskie: I'm asking because I want to know whether it is worth it to download the ROM for the working one and dump it on the USified one or not. Mar 07 07:51:54 not that it would take much time either way, but... Mar 07 07:52:21 should be worth it... Mar 07 07:52:46 nice to know. I'll try it... later :) Mar 07 08:36:48 Ok so I'm trying to stream the webcam video to my PC, I do gst-launch v4l2src device=/dev/video0 ! videoscale ! video/x-raw-yuv,width=320,height=240 Mar 07 08:36:51 ! ffmpegcolorspace ! smokeenc ! udpsink host=192.168.1.101 port=5000 Mar 07 08:37:26 on the mobile. With the correct port. I play it back using gst-launch-0.10 udpsrc port=5000 ! smokedec ! autovideosink . Problem is, the picture has a strong green tint. Mar 07 08:38:30 oh i wish for an escape key on next device Mar 07 08:38:39 but someone at nokia doesn't like the escape key Mar 07 08:38:58 they wanted to get rid of it as a metaphor Mar 07 08:39:01 bad people :D Mar 07 08:39:27 'you are always in! there is no out! there is only going ze forward!' Mar 07 08:39:47 The next meego device will have an escape key. Mar 07 08:39:49 Oops Mar 07 08:40:11 The next device will have a meego escape key. It's called the windows button. Mar 07 08:40:23 yeah, the "next" "meego" "device" Mar 07 08:40:35 *ba dum tsss* Mar 07 08:40:37 you mean qemu with the next meego device ? :P Mar 07 08:42:23 ctrl-q could be 'esc' on the n900 actually Mar 07 08:42:32 why didn't i think of that b4 Mar 07 08:44:11 good idea Mar 07 08:44:33 i have esc as shift+fn+backspace Mar 07 08:44:52 and tab as fn+backspace Mar 07 08:55:54 Morning, all Mar 07 08:56:06 Morning! Mar 07 09:07:47 \o Mar 07 09:11:02 sucks how kobo deluxe and technoballz are designed for right-handed people Mar 07 09:11:33 same as most things then Mar 07 09:11:41 yes but it's software Mar 07 09:18:18 I wonder where the N900 had most sales ... Mar 07 09:18:35 Good morning.. I think.. Even if it is monday.. :) Mar 07 09:18:57 Aloha Mar 07 09:25:32 alterego: where? probably the US. Mar 07 09:25:49 Yeah, mebbe Mar 07 09:26:16 Apparently the UK is the largest (percentage wise) mobile gaming industry Mar 07 09:28:01 alterego, I guess all that queing adds up ;) Mar 07 09:28:11 ruskie: :D Mar 07 09:28:21 And our awful public transport ;) Mar 07 09:28:50 I tend to be overlay patient and will just stand still and wait for my turn... Mar 07 09:29:04 same for using the public transport anywhere Mar 07 09:29:05 ruskie: me too :) Mar 07 09:29:28 I can't really enjoy a game-on-the-go Mar 07 09:29:33 I tend to have a very relaxed/don't-give-a-shit attitude to things out of my sphere of control. Mar 07 09:29:36 i.e. play 2 minutes... oh my turn to do something... Mar 07 09:29:41 same here Mar 07 09:29:53 Though when people push in and stuff I tend to get riled. Mar 07 09:29:55 alterego, per capita, in finland no doubt. Mar 07 09:30:11 And I can't stand complainers, loud gobby complainers ... Mar 07 09:30:13 when I actually want to play I'll turn on the PS3(which is the main reason I got it) and play for a few hours... Mar 07 09:30:28 Yeah, same here but xbox 360 Mar 07 09:31:27 alterego, we have self-service checkouts at a few stores here now... and of course the store people can't always track everything to help out so I'll just stand there until they notice that something is wrong... ;) and yes I'm willing to stand there for an hour or more ;) Mar 07 09:31:52 Hahah Mar 07 09:32:12 Yeah, Tesco and boots have self service, makes things a lot less stressful I think Mar 07 09:32:17 yup Mar 07 09:32:26 considering I tend to run through a store 90% of the time Mar 07 09:32:29 If I'm buying alcohol or movies I'll go to a real person though Mar 07 09:32:46 I can be done at the checkout in under a minute most of the time Mar 07 09:33:17 of course being an IT person these self selrvice checkouts just love us and tend to break down when we're in the area though :( Mar 07 09:33:43 even the sales people ask... are you working for us or are you an IT person? when it does happen ;) Mar 07 09:36:08 Heh, makes me chuckle when I see a win 2k crash screen ;) Mar 07 09:36:37 I was amused to find on the tesco website - on the 'null' search - if you search for nothing - 'I' - the product description is just a large red I, and it's 20p. Mar 07 09:36:53 I ordered one, to see what happend. Mar 07 09:37:15 and? Mar 07 09:37:16 http://www.mauve.plus.com/temp/tesco.jpeg Mar 07 09:37:25 It's not been delivered yet Mar 07 09:40:50 heh, looks like a book Mar 07 09:41:00 http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/ Mar 07 09:42:53 alterego, hmm does that mean they basically offloaded Qt? Mar 07 09:43:38 No Mar 07 09:43:49 Just the commercial licensing side of things Mar 07 09:43:57 ahh so outsourcing Mar 07 09:44:02 Which Nokia don't really care about anyway Mar 07 09:46:26 wow drnoksnes is smooth now Mar 07 09:52:57 greetings Mar 07 09:53:27 alterego: i'm *assuming* that includes the people who do commercial support Mar 07 09:53:40 in http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php, what is the difference between RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin and RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin ? Mar 07 09:54:34 one's the rootfs and the other's the emmc Mar 07 10:00:31 when issuing flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f , I got this error: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f . what could be wrong? Mar 07 10:01:51 what error> Mar 07 10:02:49 smhar: ./flasher-3.5 ? Mar 07 10:04:18 no, the usb was connected while issuing the command. it should be disconnected first. Mar 07 10:04:29 first flashing is done. Mar 07 10:04:29 no, it shouldn't Mar 07 10:05:15 wonder what the current drain of more modern (oled?) displays runs about Mar 07 10:05:33 pupnik: It's proportional to lit area, plus a constant Mar 07 10:05:54 I guess it also depends on colour depth? Mar 07 10:05:58 SpeedEvil: finally a benefit for my preferred dark screen Mar 07 10:05:58 No. Mar 07 10:06:03 since the N8 goes to something like 8-bit when locked Mar 07 10:06:21 well max brightness on n900 pulls about 210 mA Mar 07 10:06:22 any ideas why they did that then? Mar 07 10:06:31 N8 is not OLED is it? Mar 07 10:06:38 AMOLED iirc Mar 07 10:06:43 yes Mar 07 10:06:53 MohammadAG, N900 was on, it worked after connected while off Mar 07 10:06:54 SpeedEvil, http://i54.tinypic.com/2e2lzrn.jpg\ Mar 07 10:06:57 http://i54.tinypic.com/2e2lzrn.jpg * Mar 07 10:07:01 Reduced bit-depth also reduces memory bus demands Mar 07 10:07:11 smhar, press U before connecting the USB cable next time Mar 07 10:07:20 at 3/5 brightness it's pulling 105 mA Mar 07 10:07:31 For example, on my old laptop, 4 bit X used 10% less power than 24 bit. Mar 07 10:07:35 (that N8 is locked btw) Mar 07 10:07:46 it never blanks Mar 07 10:08:07 MohammadAG, Now I will do: flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R , I hope every thing will be 'safe' :-) Mar 07 10:08:09 The two pics are identical. Mar 07 10:08:11 Oh - right Mar 07 10:08:39 at 4/5 brighness it's pulling 119 mA Mar 07 10:08:46 yeah, I had a \ at the end in the first one Mar 07 10:08:46 wow, huge difference between 4/5 and full Mar 07 10:08:56 The eye is very non-linear. Mar 07 10:09:29 yes. although it always semed to me that full was significantly brighter Mar 07 10:09:51 but this is a good reminder to avoid it Mar 07 10:09:54 * SpeedEvil sighs. Mar 07 10:10:08 problems? Mar 07 10:10:22 I want the brightness to go down further. Mar 07 10:10:32 I should check some leads from the schematic. Mar 07 10:10:36 * mece comforts SpeedEvil *there there* Mar 07 10:10:56 echo 1 > /sys/class/backlight/ac/brightness? Mar 07 10:11:03 2 is minimum Mar 07 10:11:17 MohammadAG, ohh, just noticed the warning in http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware#Flashing_the_eMMC_in_the_N900 not to use the -R option. may be it it should be removed from the command line in the main text as will Mar 07 10:11:48 what does -R do? Mar 07 10:11:58 reboot Mar 07 10:11:59 reboot Mar 07 10:12:10 reboot Mar 07 10:12:22 * mece just wanted to be part of the cool gang that said "reboot" just then Mar 07 10:13:14 smhar, not using the -R option only applies if you're flashing both the emmc and rootfs Mar 07 10:13:36 nidO, which I am Mar 07 10:14:00 the point is, why would the -R switch be removed from the text which details how to flash only the rootfs Mar 07 10:14:09 is this good or bad news? http://blog.qt.nokia.com/2011/03/07/nokia-and-digia-working-together/ Mar 07 10:14:15 when it's only when doing both that you shouldnt use it, and the instructions for which dont include the -R switch Mar 07 10:15:40 nidO, agree, I stand corrected Mar 07 10:17:30 "Finishing flashing... done CMT flashed successfully." is that it? Mar 07 10:23:24 rebooted. About says: Version: 20.2010.36-2 . is this the latest? Mar 07 11:02:05 morning Mar 07 11:30:31 using usb, is it possible to connect N900 to an internet connect computer and use that computer as a gateway to the net? how? Mar 07 11:30:50 I think this is on the wiki.. Mar 07 11:31:21 http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking Mar 07 11:32:26 thanks Appiah Mar 07 11:32:52 trying to get my usb ethernet adapter to work Mar 07 11:33:39 seems like the right module is loaded, but dhcp client gives an error message Mar 07 11:33:40 interesting - with a brand new battery the low batt warning comes on well before 3638 mv Mar 07 11:56:33 http://imgs.xkcd.com/comics/server_attention_span.png Mar 07 11:56:35 so true Mar 07 12:42:26 I just wonder... Is it at all possible to get a hold of a Maemo-phone? Mar 07 12:42:47 ? Mar 07 12:43:31 I seem to remember hearing that they don't sell them anymore...? Mar 07 12:44:05 they don't sell n900 you mean? Mar 07 12:44:10 That'd be the one Mar 07 12:44:19 had to ask for mine wasnt advertised Mar 07 12:45:02 hm. Mar 07 12:45:44 it depends where you live Mar 07 12:45:54 most places i'd think its not hard to still get hold of an n900 Mar 07 12:46:20 I'm in Sweden... You'd think we'd get one, what with being next to Finland and all <.< But so far, I've had no luck Mar 07 12:47:15 well, you can happily get one from amazon.co.uk or .de Mar 07 12:47:26 Oh. Mar 07 12:47:32 Fancy that Mar 07 12:49:08 i haven't a cell phone store in germany carrying them Mar 07 12:50:25 http://www.blogcdn.com/www.engadget.com/media/2011/02/mwc2011ballmer1907.jpg Mar 07 12:57:44 it is increasingly amusing that multitasking is such a big deal implementation-wise on mobiles Mar 07 12:57:56 when flashing N900, do I need to keep pressing the 'u' all the time? Mar 07 12:58:18 just for the bootup Mar 07 12:58:20 then you can release Mar 07 12:58:28 you see a usb logo on the nokia screen Mar 07 12:58:30 I fail to understand why WP7 and iOS need this "fake multitasking" crap Mar 07 12:58:31 it means you can release it Mar 07 12:58:42 jonwil, because they are incapable of real multitasking Mar 07 12:59:03 iOS jailbreaking shows that an iPhone can multitask just fine Mar 07 12:59:23 me, I like my N900 and its real multitasking Mar 07 12:59:26 it's not desired Mar 07 12:59:30 i.e. confuses people Mar 07 13:00:23 So make multitasking work like desktop windows with a simple list of open apps Mar 07 13:00:29 peopple arent confused by that Mar 07 13:01:03 most people are confused by desktop windows's multitasking Mar 07 13:01:31 hmmm ok Mar 07 13:01:47 jonwil: I mean the average people Mar 07 13:06:46 the most irritating thing after a full flash is the long lines of text you need to enter just to be able to ssh to the phone Mar 07 13:06:52 iphone not doing real multitasking might be more related to battery life Mar 07 13:11:41 no, about the ability to control the user experience Mar 07 13:11:53 make sure things update fast and predictably Mar 07 13:12:16 anyone with CSSU experience? Mar 07 13:12:33 i saw some issues yesterday Mar 07 13:12:47 am I the only one noticing that CSSU version of Modest is basically broken, with no redeeming qualities, at least on the surface? Mar 07 13:13:37 apparently you shouldn't update CSSU with the hacked hildon desktop Mar 07 13:14:20 well I had a stock desktop Mar 07 13:14:45 and the desktop is fine (although most advertised extra features mostly appear to be gimmicks) Mar 07 13:14:51 isnt the cssu version of modest just an updated stock version without the nokia crippling? Mar 07 13:14:57 it is modest that appears to be worse than the stock version Mar 07 13:15:03 cssu modest works fine here Mar 07 13:15:11 I dunno what you mean by crippling here Mar 07 13:15:20 Lava: Will it rotate to portrait for you? Mar 07 13:15:25 RST38h: you probably have other software that might break something Mar 07 13:15:33 It does not rotate here. And if I force the rotation, I cannot compose emails in it Mar 07 13:15:47 RST38h: preventing imap-idle from working being an example Mar 07 13:16:00 i dont use the autorotate, and afaik cssu is still in 'testing' Mar 07 13:16:10 so expect unfinished stuff and bugs Mar 07 13:16:43 RST38h: flash rootfs Mar 07 13:16:45 and then install cssu Mar 07 13:16:55 thats the method i use and it works flawlessly Mar 07 13:17:02 Lava: Ok, thank you for your data input Mar 07 13:17:26 Thank you for using our services. Mar 07 14:45:11 I am in a wifi zone but I want to connect to the internet via usb cable. N900 automatically connects to wifi. how to stop this? Mar 07 14:45:41 use wifi switcher Mar 07 14:45:50 Dalvik is open-soruce, rigth? Mostly java, can't I stick it into my N900? Can maemo programs run on the android kernel? Or can I have to kernels? Mar 07 14:46:36 lolcat: http://www.nitdroid.com/index.php?title=NITDroid_project Mar 07 14:47:39 sandst1: I want ONE android program on my N900 and I dont want Aos Mar 07 14:48:36 lolcat: i guess then you have to wait for alien dalvik Mar 07 14:49:06 Why is it that all of the DRM-encumbered ebook readers insist on arbitrarily limiting text formatting and appearance. . . . Mar 07 14:49:07 if it's even coming out as a free version Mar 07 14:49:08 sandst1: Alien Dalvik is closed source and I won't get my hands on it Mar 07 14:49:24 lolcat: well. then you have to duplicate their work :P Mar 07 14:49:41 sandst1: IcedRobot team is writing an impentation on openJDK Mar 07 14:49:43 GAN900: there's no logic in DRM-related stuff Mar 07 14:50:00 GAN900: and when there is, it's broken. Mar 07 14:50:22 slonopotamus, did that. now I can browse and ping the net but app manger asks to 'Select connection' !! Mar 07 14:50:26 lolcat: cool Mar 07 14:51:06 sandst1: But they wont be done within 9 days Mar 07 14:51:07 smhar: because maemo networking is crap :) Mar 07 14:51:24 smhar: use apt-get then :/ or try fap Mar 07 14:51:36 or how it was called... Mar 07 14:52:09 could you be more clear the :/ thing Mar 07 14:52:52 You'll take uselessly huge margins and like them, and, no, you can't have white on black. Mar 07 14:52:59 smhar: that was two sentences :) Mar 07 14:53:33 lolcat: yeah, not gonna happen that soon :) however, it's been done in ubuntu, so why not maemo too http://mjfrey.blogspot.com/2009/05/android-full-screen-on-ubuntu.html Mar 07 14:53:46 smhar: fapman it's called Mar 07 14:53:48 slonopotamus, do you mean I can not use the application manager with usb networking? Mar 07 14:54:36 smhar: it wants network and it doesn't know that you're already connected. either use commandline apt-get or try fapman (another gui app manager) Mar 07 14:54:38 lolcat: but in case you haven't tried nitdroid on n900, go ahead and try :) it's pretty smooth Mar 07 14:55:35 sandst1: I have, but I didnt like android and the appstore was missing the one app I wanted Mar 07 14:55:39 slonopotamus, it is much easier to just 'select' application instead of typing their names Mar 07 14:56:21 slonopotamus, isn't there a way to clear the confusion in N900 about which network to use? Mar 07 14:57:08 lolcat: ok Mar 07 14:57:34 ( I want the brightness to go down further.) were you offline when I elaborated about that PWM1 output to control the /EN of LED-BL converter? Mar 07 14:58:02 smhar: sure, get app manager sources and drop network checking :) Mar 07 14:58:24 sandst1: So all I have to do is get the source from the ubuntu thing and compile for arm and install open-jdk Mar 07 14:59:05 lolcat: i'm pretty sure it won't be that straightforward :) Mar 07 15:00:21 I can't find it Mar 07 15:00:30 but when I do I will get it Mar 07 15:01:10 I migth need to use the ubuntu latest ubuntu kernel on the phone though but debian ~ ubuntu so I guess that migth work Mar 07 15:02:49 Does sun java run on N900? Mar 07 15:03:01 lolcat: do you have the app you want as an apk file? if you're willing to put a new kernel and put dalvik on top etc, why not just take nitdroid and install the apk file there? Mar 07 15:04:42 amigadave: you're the good ghost of the wiki :-D Appreciate your work a lot Mar 07 15:04:44 sandst1: i need it in maemo Mar 07 15:05:07 ookay Mar 07 15:05:47 DocScrutinizer: thanks :) Mar 07 15:06:12 DocScrutinizer: if you have any suggestions, feel free to ping me Mar 07 15:07:17 slonopotamus, fapman has the same problem Mar 07 15:07:32 woops. Mar 07 15:08:38 slonopotamus, I stand corrected. it works, it seems, although it complains about no network Mar 07 15:09:42 I just kept ignoring the errors and it installs Mar 07 15:11:09 smhar: the problem is that connection deamon2 (I forgot the TLA) isn't aware of USV Mar 07 15:11:27 smhar: it's all in the wiki Mar 07 15:11:48 docscrutinizer, care to give a link? Mar 07 15:13:03 I do not remember having this problem with PR1.2 Mar 07 15:18:34 http://www.digia.com/C2256FEF0043E9C1/0/405002251 Mar 07 15:24:25 smhar: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_USB_networking#Using_USB_networking_for_Maemo_applications Mar 07 15:28:32 khertan, ping Mar 07 15:29:10 ...and fapman is known to break things every now and then Mar 07 15:30:06 khertan, how hard would it be to enable KhtEditor to run C files? Mar 07 15:30:17 moo Venemo Mar 07 15:30:42 hey DocScrutinizer :) Mar 07 15:30:51 DocScrutinizer, moo to you too Mar 07 15:31:08 DocScrutinizer, how're you? Mar 07 15:31:31 lobotomised, coffe doesn't kick in Mar 07 15:31:33 thanks docscrutinizer Mar 07 15:32:07 I am using fapman with PR1.3, but why do I see packages with pr1.2 in their names? Mar 07 15:32:32 because of fapman being broken by design Mar 07 15:33:07 docscrutinizer, so? Mar 07 15:33:09 fapman is fast just because it's lazy on a lot of things that HAM takes care of Mar 07 15:36:36 that's a really unfortunate name for an application manager. Mar 07 15:36:39 usually you get away with being lazy on such things like rebuilding dependencies tree after every single pkg install, and also checking dependencies of all pkg explicitly and implicitly installed prior to starting with first install. But sometimes fapman simply fscks up the system Mar 07 15:37:44 chx: I start to like it, it seems appropriate ;-D Mar 07 15:37:59 it is time then to uninstall it Mar 07 15:38:16 it seems my best option is apt Mar 07 15:38:50 lolcat: http://source.android.com/porting/dalvik.html Mar 07 15:40:06 smhar: some braindamaged pkgs like e.g starhash-enabler (blush) are so weird they don't install at all under apt, they need HAM Mar 07 15:41:12 docscrutinizer, so for normal use, it is apt, for weird stuff it is HAM Mar 07 15:41:40 well, the project lead of those pkgs (starhash, h-e-n) is a real moron and should've seen the issue right away Mar 07 15:41:57 DocScrutinizer, so, fapman is horseshit. that's no news. Mar 07 15:41:57 smhar: yep Mar 07 15:42:10 um, I packaged hen, it works fine from apt Mar 07 15:42:27 apt-get install hostmode-gui Mar 07 15:42:35 also, what's wrong with starhash-enabler? Mar 07 15:42:51 MohammadAG: the project lead of h-e-n should have vetoed on the insane requester popping up on X Mar 07 15:43:39 buzzword i2ctools Mar 07 15:44:31 *# simply fals when installed via apt-get on a root account without run-standalone.sh Mar 07 15:44:32 but it installs fine from apt ;) Mar 07 15:44:40 umm Mar 07 15:45:34 i2ctools pops up a requester on X that's for sure not always the xterm screen you're running apt on Mar 07 15:46:00 you might run apt to install i2ctools on a machine that *has no* X Mar 07 15:46:19 not yet at least Mar 07 15:48:15 *# simply fails - probably because of the dbus-send notifiers used to introduce eyecandy Mar 07 15:49:14 user root's session bus is not always (actually never) the same as user user's session bus Mar 07 15:50:17 so, depending on whether you used root or sudo gainroot, install in apt will fail or work Mar 07 15:50:36 but there's run-standalone.sh Mar 07 15:50:42 yep Mar 07 15:50:45 meaning it should work both ways Mar 07 15:51:08 bb, will be back Mar 07 15:51:21 if the idiot 'developing' *# had taken care of it, yes Mar 07 15:54:31 MohammadAG: i2ctools otoh isn't just rising a notifier, it's actually waiting to accept a requester, which might pop up on a device with broken LCD sitting room next door, and operated via wlan ssh exclusively Mar 07 15:55:13 MohammadAG: I'm aware this is really hard to fix Mar 07 15:55:15 CTRL+C I think Mar 07 15:55:39 I don't think I made it check for exit code = 0 Mar 07 15:55:41 umm, this will abort, not continue ;-D Mar 07 15:55:48 so if you're lucky, that will ... oh Mar 07 15:56:02 well Mar 07 15:56:07 it's actually very easy to fix Mar 07 15:56:21 kick that requester :-D Mar 07 15:56:39 echo -e "#!/bin/sh\n\nEcho 'Bla bla'" > /usr/bin/maemo-confirm-text Mar 07 15:56:55 s/Echo/echo/ Mar 07 15:57:07 hey, i'm having issues getting the mobile hotspot thing to work. is this the right channel to get help on this? Mar 07 15:57:16 MohammadAG: heh Mar 07 15:57:52 basically my laptop doesn't get an ip address from the n900 Mar 07 15:58:04 DocScrutinizer: the question would be why sshd sets DISPLAY Mar 07 15:58:21 probably because of the evil .profile scripts... Mar 07 15:58:42 umm, does it? is this relevant here? Mar 07 15:59:01 without display, maemo-confirm-text would... "crash gracefully". Mar 07 15:59:06 s/display/$DISPLAY Mar 07 15:59:29 this is not about X forwarding, it's about a mere terminal on a remote machine Mar 07 15:59:40 yes, so DISPLAY should be unset. Mar 07 15:59:41 ooh Mar 07 15:59:56 gracefully? Mar 07 15:59:59 good point Mar 07 16:00:27 MohammadAG: gracefully as in "let's hope the script has an exit 0 below the call to maemo-display-text" Mar 07 16:00:43 hah Mar 07 16:01:43 well, usually you want the host's DISPLAY on remote sessions, to start up things on host's X Mar 07 16:01:59 but that isn't true by default Mar 07 16:02:04 (on proper systems) Mar 07 16:02:13 even MeeGo does it right Mar 07 16:02:39 does what? Mar 07 16:03:09 not set $DISPLAY in a ssh remote session Mar 07 16:03:14 ^ Mar 07 16:03:45 hmmm Mar 07 16:05:08 whatever it is, it's a problem of ssh pkg Mar 07 16:06:02 ssh package shouldn't f with my .profile ;) Mar 07 16:06:31 Yeah, I do not think it's a problem of ssh perse, more maemo's. Mar 07 16:06:32 nah, ssh should come with a proper profile for ssh login Mar 07 16:06:42 the only other unix I know that does this is... Mar 07 16:06:46 surprise surprise, Interix. Mar 07 16:08:01 hi there Mar 07 16:08:20 does anybody know if there will be a new kernel for maemo? Mar 07 16:08:37 anyway, it seems to me the short term fix is to add a `unset DISPLAY` to my apt-get wrapper script Mar 07 16:08:44 diazo: an official one from nokia? hahaha. unofficial ones? see kernel-power Mar 07 16:09:00 actually, for "newer" kernels, you should look for meego. Mar 07 16:09:05 which probably still will cause *# install to break Mar 07 16:09:37 BCMM: kernel-power is too old Mar 07 16:09:51 yeah, hadn't realised it's still a .28 Mar 07 16:09:53 uhm maego Mar 07 16:10:07 maego kernel instead? Mar 07 16:10:13 there will be no newer maemo kernels. Mar 07 16:10:14 what is the technical barrier to updating kernel-power to a more recent upstream kernel? Mar 07 16:10:21 BCMM: user space breakage. Mar 07 16:10:28 _closed_ user space breakage. Mar 07 16:10:38 javispedro: huh. how come? Mar 07 16:10:46 and lots of patches to forward port (however, meego already has some of them partially done) Mar 07 16:10:56 uhm Mar 07 16:11:02 actual userspace breakage, not just binary drivers that are compiled against a specific kernel version? Mar 07 16:11:04 so is it very hard? Mar 07 16:11:40 diazo: obviously, it all depends on your amount of free time.. but yes, it requires something more than a "make" =) Mar 07 16:11:56 BCMM: yes. there are no binary drivers in maemo! Mar 07 16:12:00 javispedro: got it.. Mar 07 16:12:16 javispedro: out of interest, where are the userspace breakages? Mar 07 16:12:27 i mean, what has changed so dramatically? Mar 07 16:12:33 sysfs Mar 07 16:12:36 or is it just something stupid like a renamed sysfs interface? Mar 07 16:12:48 thx for the info :) Mar 07 16:13:21 get mce, bme, modem driver, SGX driver, port 2.6.37 and you'll have a new kernel Mar 07 16:13:26 question is, is it worth it? Mar 07 16:13:27 BCMM: you should ask meego-arm, but not even the stock n900 bme booted, they had a special nokia version made for them. Mar 07 16:17:57 MohammadAG: so what's the deal with the modem driver and so on? the kernel appears untainted... Mar 07 16:19:30 kernel devels are funny people, the obviously *love* to mess up sysfs names for every minor kernel revision Mar 07 16:19:48 naturally Mar 07 16:20:42 so no devels will miss they released a new kernel and all the work they did to improve it ;-P Mar 07 16:21:51 ahaha, I just remembered there was that wiki page detailing the experience you had in OM with some sysfs breakage :D Mar 07 16:22:19 ""wow, cool!! the 3rd new kernel with changed sysfs this week. Those guys are awesome. Now my app will not feel silly anymore using /sys/bar/foo, it can use /sys/foo/bar now - GREAT!"" Mar 07 16:23:37 and this is why should write all of the sysfs code in javascript. Mar 07 16:23:59 because when the APIs are on wheels.. Mar 07 16:24:03 no, this is why one needs to modify the string literals in the BME binary :) Mar 07 16:24:17 or get the meego bme Mar 07 16:24:32 * DocScrutinizer waits for /sys/*/LEDs/vibrator/brightness getting renamed to /sys/*/LEDs_et_al/vibrators/1/dim Mar 07 16:25:04 * javispedro hits diazo for asking on #meego wheter "someone had tried meego on the n900" Mar 07 16:25:41 leds already changed to something unreadable Mar 07 16:26:00 javispedro: ?_? Mar 07 16:26:13 is there anyone who hasn't tried meego on the n900 =) Mar 07 16:26:18 raise your hands Mar 07 16:26:22 :D Mar 07 16:26:23 meeeee! Mar 07 16:26:24 DocScrutinizer, don't. Mar 07 16:26:28 hah, I knew it. Mar 07 16:26:34 lol Mar 07 16:27:11 me Mar 07 16:27:43 I'm never watching splatter movies either ;-D Mar 07 16:28:21 no use for that kind of thrill Mar 07 16:28:41 MeeGo on the N900's great... Mar 07 16:28:48 ...for making you appreciate Maemo 5 ;-) Mar 07 16:28:50 oh YEAH Mar 07 16:28:59 lmao Mar 07 16:29:06 actually, the way you put it, I agree Mar 07 16:29:13 USA presidents : ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☺ ☻ Mar 07 16:29:25 that's racist :p Mar 07 16:29:34 why? Mar 07 16:29:39 is it? Mar 07 16:29:44 is it MohammadAG Mar 07 16:29:54 I didn't know there were black smileys anyway Mar 07 16:29:57 i think it's racist of you thinking it's racist Mar 07 16:30:09 ack Mar 07 16:30:12 Jaffa: excellent work on MWKN as per usual ;) Mar 07 16:30:37 is it racism to state " MohammadAG is an Arab" Mar 07 16:30:39 MohammadAG, there are no black smilies, only afrom-smilies Mar 07 16:30:59 javispedro: thanks to GAN900 as well then Mar 07 16:31:04 DocScrutinizer, damn, it makes CSSU unkosher =( Mar 07 16:31:13 DocScrutinizer, arabs aren't a race :p Mar 07 16:31:34 ZogG, lol Mar 07 16:31:42 Jaffa: yes, I was reading the symbian stuff atm though :) Mar 07 16:31:43 MohammadAG, actually they are Mar 07 16:31:47 MohammadAG: as colored people aren't Mar 07 16:33:18 ZogG: depends who you count as an arab, to some extent Mar 07 16:33:39 now I tend to declare this topic to be political, and politics are a ban'able subject, except on ##politics Mar 07 16:33:47 but surely it's much closer to a cultural identity Mar 07 16:33:49 ok Mar 07 16:34:41 Arab people also known as "Arabs" (Arabic: عرب‎, ʿarab) are an ethnic group primarily living in the Arab World which is located in West Asia and North Africa. They identify as such on one or more of genealogical, linguistic, or cultural grounds.,[12] with tribal affiliations, and intra-tribal relationships playing an important part of Arab identity in tracing descendant of a national from an Arab state.[13] Mar 07 16:34:43 wikipedia Mar 07 16:34:43 hmm Mar 07 16:34:49 I lost the bottom microB toolbar Mar 07 16:34:56 javispedro: Ah, I'll take the credit there :-) Mar 07 16:35:31 omg freenode has a #politics channel? Mar 07 16:35:33 MohammadAG, sorry to say but i think you shoud rethink and redo it =( Mar 07 16:35:46 * javispedro ponders if it's a trap before trying to join =) Mar 07 16:35:52 maybe hjolding on light-detector or something liek that Mar 07 16:35:58 redo what o_O Mar 07 16:36:01 as it always pop-up unwanted =( Mar 07 16:36:05 why having this discussion here? Mar 07 16:36:06 mediabar Mar 07 16:36:20 I said microB, not mediabar Mar 07 16:36:36 it's open source anyway Mar 07 16:36:48 MohammadAG, oh sorry, misunderstood, but still i mean it about mediabar Mar 07 16:36:55 rjeo: I'm about to stop it right now Mar 07 16:37:12 DocScrutinizer: it would be great :) Mar 07 16:37:16 DocScrutinizer, are you going to selfban? Mar 07 16:37:38 for now, the mediaplayer's my priority Mar 07 16:37:43 rjeo, are you jealous that you are nothing special liek MohammadAG to talk about? =) Mar 07 16:38:20 ZogG: OT policy: nothing is OT until somebody complains it is. From then on everybody has to consider what it actually is and act accordingly Mar 07 16:38:21 this is the internet. you are all computers, until you pass the Turing test. Mar 07 16:38:21 ZogG: i rather see joins/parts than a silly discussion that have nothing to do with the channel subject Mar 07 16:38:25 MohammadAG, and it would be clever choice, but just saying that you know Mar 07 16:38:29 (computers do not have races) Mar 07 16:38:50 BCMM, do you have intel or amd/ Mar 07 16:38:55 here you go Mar 07 16:39:05 ZogG: you're asking that *here* of all places? Mar 07 16:39:13 ARM! Mar 07 16:39:21 haha Mar 07 16:39:32 good one Mar 07 16:39:44 toggles_: also my comment should serve as a 'first warning' in sense of IRC rules Mar 07 16:40:01 sorry toggles_ Mar 07 16:40:06 i would love my N900 more if it wasn't ARM but it was caleld ARGGGG Mar 07 16:40:06 ZogG: ^^^ Mar 07 16:40:09 asking if you have intel or amd is racism. Mar 07 16:40:53 ZogG: rjeo 's comment is a second warning Mar 07 16:41:18 so let's talk about something more family friendly, like wheter why hasn't DocScrutinizer installed Meego on his N900 ;) Mar 07 16:41:46 simple answer: I need a working device Mar 07 16:41:59 I <3 Hildon Mar 07 16:42:06 that as well Mar 07 16:42:14 DocScrutinizer got his brightness applet and plays cool now, huh? man i have all logs so don't make me release " DocScrutinizer is a sissy" to wikileaks =) Mar 07 16:42:33 hehehe Mar 07 16:43:01 oh, have anyone managed to link boost to Nokia SDK ? Mar 07 16:43:03 Jaffa, did you file specific targetted bugs when you did your tests? Or at least check where they are Mar 07 16:43:19 Sc0rpius, any plans to send a merge request for tree view mode? Mar 07 16:43:24 ecause obviously getting the right things fixed helps the DeveloperEdition greatly Mar 07 16:43:28 libboost? err libbloat Mar 07 16:43:44 gah, boost Mar 07 16:43:52 lcuk: In Qt Creator? No, I'm going to. Mar 07 16:43:57 DocScrutinizer, not working as common packages Mar 07 16:43:57 I guess RAM of N900 is too small for the lib alone Mar 07 16:44:08 the ultimate dependency-trolling Mar 07 16:44:09 Jaffa, I meant when you just said about using MeeGo on n900 Mar 07 16:44:18 lcuk: Oh, yes. Mar 07 16:44:37 lcuk: But it was ages ago, I've not given it a fair shake and was commenting for humourous/FUD (delete as appropriate) effect Mar 07 16:44:49 i hate it when one tries to install some tiny, tiny utility and it depends on something insane like boost or V Mar 07 16:44:54 Java, rather Mar 07 16:46:09 BCMM: LOL Mar 07 16:46:49 what's boost? Mar 07 16:47:03 boost, the better/next c++ Mar 07 16:47:06 Jaffa, well yes, FUD would be the one in this case, there is a lot of work by very dedicated people trying to ensure that MeeGo on handsets works well Mar 07 16:47:17 what does it do? Mar 07 16:47:19 and since the N900 is the defacto prototype for this Mar 07 16:47:20 BCMM, i was serious about boost Mar 07 16:47:30 DocScrutinizer: (thanks. i kept it non-political by not mentioning libgnome :p) Mar 07 16:47:30 it's like Qt^3 Mar 07 16:47:53 MohammadAG: it's a huge library of everything Mar 07 16:48:18 boost? It's like if someone just discovered templates is a turing complete language and decided to play with it. Mar 07 16:48:24 *EVERYTHING* Mar 07 16:48:24 MohammadAG: maths functions, common algorithms, etc. Mar 07 16:48:26 it is used in one lib i'm using for my app, but i can't link it =( Mar 07 16:48:38 oh, so it's the new memtest Mar 07 16:48:48 a way to make C++ have a function for everything Mar 07 16:49:02 libboost-regex, libboost-fartplayback Mar 07 16:49:06 even doDishes()? Mar 07 16:50:00 * ZogG learned something today — you can't over troll ops =) Mar 07 16:50:40 DocScrutinizer is there special older than 18 liciense for kinky functions? Mar 07 16:50:53 ZogG: because ops kick *slightly before* they rage? Mar 07 16:50:55 probably, ZogG Mar 07 16:51:11 heh Mar 07 16:51:12 but seriosly does anyone linked it? Mar 07 16:51:23 did* Mar 07 16:51:24 on my desktop, boost has over 15k files Mar 07 16:51:36 there is boost in extras Mar 07 16:51:45 and that doesn't include docs or boost-build Mar 07 16:51:51 what's the pkg ize? Mar 07 16:52:20 once I needed to build noost from source, it ate several GB of my disk Mar 07 16:52:35 and took like one day to build Mar 07 16:52:40 i dunno Mar 07 16:53:03 i have boost and boost-buld from source Mar 07 16:53:06 it's worse than building firefox. Mar 07 16:53:11 gentoo ftw Mar 07 16:53:15 meh, blindtyping practice on IRC Mar 07 16:53:21 ~slap DocScrutinizer Mar 07 16:53:27 would it be possible to connect a device to the n900 which would serve as an external touchscreen? I'd like the n900 to be the brains for a touch screen device that has multitouch capabilities Mar 07 16:53:28 BCMM, nothing is worser thn building firefox or chromium Mar 07 16:53:35 infobot???? Mar 07 16:53:43 ZogG: i take it you use a binary openoffice :) Mar 07 16:53:54 newbie007: the performance would be horrendous though Mar 07 16:54:00 nothing, at all, is ever worse than the openoffice build process Mar 07 16:54:01 BCMM, haha, no way Mar 07 16:54:09 BCMM, LibreOffice now Mar 07 16:54:18 yeah, i hear they plan to clean it up Mar 07 16:54:23 newbie007: either you have to go through bluetooth, which drains the battery, or wifi, which has crappy latency (especially with PSM), or USB, which impedes mobility Mar 07 16:54:29 gentoo forces -j1 for oo.o Mar 07 16:54:31 LibreOffice is better imho Mar 07 16:54:35 why would i? Mar 07 16:54:59 the build process is too fragile for parallel compilation for some reason Mar 07 16:55:06 BCMM, Daniel Robbinson uses -j12 on his "box" Mar 07 16:55:11 I see, thanks Mar 07 16:55:20 ZogG: how many cores does it have? Mar 07 16:55:49 2 dual xens cpu's =) Mar 07 16:55:53 ZogG: what i meant was that regardless of make.conf, app-office/openoffice builds with -j1 so it doesn't break Mar 07 16:56:03 just that my n900 is a waay better device OS/app wise than this other new device I have which is larger and has a faster chip. Doesn't have the gps, camera etc.. Mar 07 16:56:56 BCMM, i lied, let me quote "This is on a Dell R710 - dual Xeon 5530's - 16 threads, 8 cores..." Mar 07 16:57:06 weeeee Mar 07 16:57:43 http://forums.funtoo.org/viewtopic.php?pid=127#p127 Mar 07 16:58:15 could my n900 connect to the internet via 3g then supply a connet to the internet via wifi ? Mar 07 16:58:56 ".................supply a *connection to the internet wia wifi ?" Mar 07 16:59:46 newbie007: yes Mar 07 17:00:16 newbie007: mobilehotspot provides a nice GUI for doing that Mar 07 17:00:28 Wow. I feel quite in despair over Nokia's recent moves Mar 07 17:00:29 tragic Mar 07 17:00:54 newbie007: note that it requires kernel-power, iirc due to lack of NAT capability in the default kernel Mar 07 17:01:11 (no netfilter at all, i think) Mar 07 17:01:38 the cssu should add a everything relevant to that kernel setup imo... Mar 07 17:02:24 atleast as a more advanced base kernel Mar 07 17:02:35 so that things don't need to rely on the power-kernel for such things Mar 07 17:03:14 #meego-arm Mar 07 17:03:16 fail Mar 07 17:04:22 n1x0n: ? Mar 07 17:07:03 BCMM: nah just a fail with not puttin /j before channel name ;P Mar 07 17:07:18 ~botsnack Mar 07 17:07:21 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer Mar 07 17:08:45 @ops, please kick apt as soon as infobot joins Mar 07 17:09:10 who's apt? Mar 07 17:09:18 (though I guess that'll not happen) Mar 07 17:09:33 apt is infobot's alter ego Mar 07 17:09:39 that douche! Mar 07 17:10:11 mece: /whois apt Mar 07 17:10:22 ye got it already Mar 07 17:10:24 not who's abp? Mar 07 17:10:29 apt* Mar 07 17:12:24 <[criipt]> I searched alot for a solution, But I still can't find a way to block 3.5G on my n900. Mar 07 17:12:39 [criipt], a lead lined case helps. Mar 07 17:12:40 when Tim Riker reboots, apt probably will /quit prior to infobot joining here Mar 07 17:12:52 <[criipt]> =P Mar 07 17:12:57 <[criipt]> I want to use 3G though. Mar 07 17:13:04 <[criipt]> Just 3.5G i want to block. Mar 07 17:13:07 BCMM: Thanks Mar 07 17:13:18 crashanddie_: that's impossible Mar 07 17:13:21 I think the operator decides what you want Mar 07 17:13:28 grr Mar 07 17:13:36 [criipt]: ^^^ Mar 07 17:13:46 <[criipt]> MohammadAG, Well, there is this applet to switch between 2G and 3G. Mar 07 17:13:48 sorry crashanddie_ Mar 07 17:14:01 2G and 3G are different Mar 07 17:14:17 [criipt]: x.5 is x.0 with enhanced parameters Mar 07 17:14:27 <[criipt]> huh.. DocScrutinizer, Nokia cells allow you to switch between utms and HSDP right ! why not possible on n900. Mar 07 17:14:40 you can't block .5 without blocking .0 as well Mar 07 17:14:56 Most Nokia phones I've used only allow 2G or 3(.5)G Mar 07 17:15:18 <[criipt]> DocScrutinizer, MohammadAG , Reason, Im doing this is cause. My plan is for 3G alone. and the moment it switched to 3.5G the speeds drop ridiculously low. Mar 07 17:15:29 DocScrutinizer: sorry? Mar 07 17:15:29 o_O Mar 07 17:15:39 I think if maemo was ported (perhaps pirated) over to some of these android driven machines then users would start dropping andoid and maemo would take off Mar 07 17:15:45 crashanddie_: for ETAB Mar 07 17:15:51 wut? Mar 07 17:16:05 <[criipt]> DocScrutinizer, Darn =( Mar 07 17:16:14 [criipt]: it's same thing Mar 07 17:16:14 newbie007, port debian and hildon-desktop, it's easier Mar 07 17:16:18 crashanddie_: that's impossible <- was meant to [criipt] Mar 07 17:16:32 pirated =) Mar 07 17:17:12 yeah, lol Mar 07 17:17:59 well Mar 07 17:18:32 the top two games in android's app store most sold items list are gpl violations, so maybe "Pirated" was the right word there. Mar 07 17:18:35 you could 'pirate' all the blobs - if you could :-P Mar 07 17:19:10 ;P Mar 07 17:19:59 * javispedro worries about state of council elections Mar 07 17:20:14 * DocScrutinizer too Mar 07 17:20:36 /topic ! Mar 07 17:21:39 I'm not sure those deadlines are viable anymore. Mar 07 17:21:58 DocScrutinizer, the topic is: Mar 07 17:21:59 Welcome to #maemo http://maemo.org/intro/ | http://maemo.nokia.com/ | Maemo Community Council http://maemo.org/community/council | Source: http://mxr.maemo.org/ http://maemo.gitorious.org/ http://meego.gitorious.org/ | Chanlog: http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog | Just one more week to council elections! http://maemo.org/community/council/maemo_community_council_elections_approaching/ Mar 07 17:22:08 lcuk: botsnack! ;) Mar 07 17:22:22 sometimes it helps :P Mar 07 17:22:45 sometimes it also helps to actually read it Mar 07 17:23:18 esp the last |* I added some two days ago Mar 07 17:23:29 I pasted it for others to see Mar 07 17:23:31 :P Mar 07 17:23:34 aaah Mar 07 17:24:11 the topic is there but it is a very long string and irc clients often only show a single line Mar 07 17:24:24 :nod: Mar 07 17:24:32 time to upgrade some clients Mar 07 17:25:00 my xchat actually hides it completely Mar 07 17:25:18 this channel's #topic has always been too long Mar 07 17:25:23 /topic however should work on all clients Mar 07 17:25:24 yet I'm not sure what I would remove. Mar 07 17:25:29 er.. Mar 07 17:25:35 s/\//#/ Mar 07 17:25:36 Pretty much all clients print the topic in response to /topic, don't they? Mar 07 17:25:42 damn. Mar 07 17:25:45 Tinyurl time. Mar 07 17:25:52 I'd remove maemo.nokia.com :) Mar 07 17:25:59 bit.ly is shorter Mar 07 17:26:16 url shorteners are for pussies Mar 07 17:26:22 hah Mar 07 17:26:27 also, why are meego sources in the topic? Mar 07 17:26:31 javispedro: just about every chan's topic tends to be too long Mar 07 17:26:51 look at the top #10, in users. Mar 07 17:27:01 MohammadAG: because these are in fact maemo sources ;-P Mar 07 17:27:16 MohammadAG: http://tinyarro.ws/ ¬_¬ Mar 07 17:27:29 maemo is longest of all top 40 channels or so Mar 07 17:27:30 I don't open sites ending with .ws :P Mar 07 17:28:08 it is also virtually second longest of the top #1000 channels =) Mar 07 17:28:09 I don't open any URL that's not clear about what it is Mar 07 17:29:03 javispedro: that's just since I ruthlessly truncated the #openmoko* topics :-D Mar 07 17:29:22 we should just set a shorter topic inspired by some other channels topic Mar 07 17:29:32 like "More wag, less bark" Mar 07 17:30:03 more waaagh? Mar 07 17:30:20 well, most of the topic is heritage, possibly from channel owner/founder Mar 07 17:30:42 "Insert credit to continue" =) Mar 07 17:30:49 I'm reluctant to do heavy editing on it Mar 07 17:31:02 same -- yet I'm not sure what I would remove. Mar 07 17:31:17 "Patches welcome" Mar 07 17:32:08 me again Mar 07 17:32:16 he again! Mar 07 17:32:30 i feel bad about bugging people, but ping Venemo =0 Mar 07 17:32:59 DocScrutinizer, whenu wasn't here javispedro was laughting about me =( Mar 07 17:33:26 are you alligoodidea/govprog? then no, I wasn't :P Mar 07 17:33:36 ooohnoes, I missed a laugh Mar 07 17:35:02 my friend is doing CPU's at intel (he got job) but he is unwilling to bring me some i7's home =( Mar 07 17:36:51 well, Intel is large you know, probably only marketing guys get that ;) Mar 07 17:37:43 acuyally he told they only make chips with no box and pins Mar 07 17:37:50 like only the inside of CPUs Mar 07 17:38:21 while on the topic of the /topic, maybe we could remove the Source: section and add it to ChanServ's welcome to this channel msg. Mar 07 17:38:26 i hate word boost as google get it wrong Mar 07 17:38:48 also maemo.nokia.com link, which, as flashy and cool the site is, hasn't been updated in ages. Mar 07 17:38:55 | http://maemo.nokia.com/ — that is irrilevant as there we have old info Mar 07 17:40:11 i propose one wiki page for IRC with important info like maemo council link, maemo link at nokia and some rules and here in topic only most important hot topics Mar 07 17:40:22 like PR1.4 is comming out soon Mar 07 17:41:10 people, vote! Mar 07 17:41:23 +over9000 Mar 07 17:41:29 javispedro: chanserv welcome frequently gets lost in login chat of client Mar 07 17:41:58 ok... Mar 07 17:42:12 so I'd take ZogG_laptop 's idea and make "Exploring Maemo's source" wiki page entry point Mar 07 17:42:47 that would probably be even better than the current links... Mar 07 17:42:49 but topic whould be like "Welcome to the official maemo community, if't your first time check wiki.maemo.org/IRC. | This week new Qt was released Mar 07 17:42:56 javispedro: appreciated Mar 07 17:43:32 ZogG_laptop's idea has quite some appeal Mar 07 17:43:45 ...if we can lock that page Mar 07 17:44:01 where first one would be static with maemo wiki link about IRC and maybe maemo link and second part is dynamic Mar 07 17:44:14 <_|Nix|_> Hey! Has anyone successfully used fMMS? I'm trying tosend a picture taken with my N900 and it keeps timing out. Will it start to work if I set it to a smaller picture size? Mar 07 17:44:27 try and report back? Mar 07 17:44:35 i think we should elect DocScrutinizer as the topic master and he should update topic every hour from mwkn twitter =) Mar 07 17:44:47 lol Mar 07 17:44:55 _|Nix|_, you sould try, worked for me Mar 07 17:45:14 just because I'm a bot doesn't mean I'm acting like a script Mar 07 17:45:44 you don't? Mar 07 17:46:02 so why did you try "sudo make love" on me last evening here? Mar 07 17:46:40 i' desperate Mar 07 17:46:59 cause he knew the user wasn't in sudoers Mar 07 17:47:14 MohammadAG, don't help him out of this one Mar 07 17:47:29 i'm stuck with my client Mar 07 17:48:03 and i wanted to implant 2 last things before i make 0.0.1 release and up it to extra-extra-devel-devil Mar 07 17:49:33 -deve-devil what's that for, compiling vb script to c and do random echos to kmem? Mar 07 17:54:48 defcon1, Pinky err ZogG_laptop has a plan to conquer the world Mar 07 17:55:30 DocScrutinizer, i don't plan, i just put the aim and do it Mar 07 17:56:36 how about a nice game of chess? Mar 07 17:57:26 sigh @ email on maemo-developers Mar 07 17:57:47 http://wiki.maemo.org/Sources Mar 07 18:01:22 ok, /topic topic is now shorter than #freenode 's ; I guess that's OK for me =) Mar 07 18:02:36 * javispedro adds CSSU gitorious page to the list Mar 07 18:03:02 javispedro, and cssu chan than Mar 07 18:03:30 that would be for the IRC page, let's keep Sources for sources. Mar 07 18:03:41 I think it should also be reference from the "Development" tab in maemo.org Mar 07 18:03:44 it's getting outdated. Mar 07 18:03:48 *referenced. Mar 07 18:04:00 oh i thought that one was for irc Mar 07 18:12:49 if it were for irc, then I'd shorten the topic more radically Mar 07 18:13:18 yes, though I'm not sure if there's any better page for that than "maemo.org" itself. Mar 07 18:13:43 javispedro: the council landing page is kinda errr hostile? At least it's not a page about who and what is council Mar 07 18:14:23 yes, it is a news page after all Mar 07 18:14:31 the "what the hell it is" page is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council Mar 07 18:15:06 Cos http://maemo.org/community/council/ is the news feed (as midgard seems to call it) Mar 07 18:16:34 ouch, wiki's rss feed is failing. Mar 07 18:16:40 *rss feed import thing Mar 07 18:17:07 (I mean http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council#Recent_blog_posts ) Mar 07 18:17:39 * javispedro just tried resubmitting it to see if it invoked a refresh but no.. Mar 07 18:24:04 * javispedro thinks the irc entry point page doesn't look that good: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Javispedro/IRC_Entry_Point Mar 07 18:26:38 maybe a IRC FAQ page, like there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Developer_FAQ and http://wiki.maemo.org/User_FAQ ;) Mar 07 18:27:48 :nod: Mar 07 18:30:01 hmm Mar 07 18:30:43 Venemo, =) Mar 07 18:30:48 well, not actually. It's too lengthy and dynamic. The maemo.org/IRC landing zone should just duplicate the topic as is, maybe with a bit elaborated wording, and including/referring a few IRC guidelines. For the rest just link to the relevant webpages Mar 07 18:30:48 both Thunerbird on my laptop and Modest on my N900 are set to put my sent mail into the Sent folder. still, I don't see messages sent from N900 in Thunderbird, nor messages sent from laptop in Modest Mar 07 18:31:21 ZogG_laptop, how's your project? :) Mar 07 18:31:28 Venemo, terrible Mar 07 18:32:10 javispedro: so your first shot was a better hit Mar 07 18:32:26 Venemo, did u built something with boost? can't link it Mar 07 18:32:33 Venemo, Sent emails from Modest are stored in a local N900 Sent folder Mar 07 18:32:33 though it really doesn't look good yet Mar 07 18:32:49 and Modest doesn't support to save your Sent mails in your remote folder Mar 07 18:33:00 and yes, it would be nice if someday it does that Mar 07 18:33:54 ZogG_laptop, I haven't Mar 07 18:36:20 ZogG_laptop: if you tell me how to put that xmms thingy on my Fedora, I'll put together a quick demo Mar 07 18:36:39 Venemo just install it Mar 07 18:36:44 xmms2 is the name Mar 07 18:37:43 http://xmms2.org/wiki/Download_XMMS2 Mar 07 18:37:48 here are the links Mar 07 18:43:42 ZogG: sorry Mar 07 18:43:49 ZogG: this shit keeps freezing Mar 07 18:44:19 ZogG: http://fpaste.org/75IO/ -> which are the ones I need? Mar 07 18:44:43 Venemo, http://xmms2.org/wiki/Download_XMMS2 here are links Mar 07 18:44:50 under fedora section Mar 07 18:45:19 hey all, is there any xterm available in the sdk (when runing xypher) or can i use scratchboxe's terminal for it? Mar 07 18:45:29 ZogG_laptop: I won't install random tarballs if there are packages in the repo Mar 07 18:45:36 ZogG_laptop: just please tell me which packages I need Mar 07 18:47:41 Venemo, u need pulse, mp3, xmms2 Mar 07 18:47:51 ZogG_laptop: ok Mar 07 18:48:42 and pulse if u use pulseaudio Mar 07 18:50:01 ZogG_laptop: okay Mar 07 18:50:34 Venemo, u may want gxmms2 as GUI for this, and xmms2-devel for api/client libs Mar 07 18:51:43 ookay Mar 07 18:53:55 why is the 3G to 3.5G handoff so horrible Mar 07 18:54:19 every time maemo swaps over i get ahiccup Mar 07 18:54:40 it is driving me nuts. i have to keep dropping it to 2G Mar 07 18:56:06 what problem do you see on the 3G to 3.5G handoff? Mar 07 18:56:24 I see a smooth hand off from 2G to 2.5G to 3G to 3.5G Mar 07 18:57:13 it hiccups Mar 07 18:57:21 ssh especially Mar 07 18:57:32 sometimes it doesn't come back Mar 07 18:58:06 where geographically are you? Mar 07 18:58:10 when i am in an area where it keeps going back and forth Mar 07 18:58:14 chicago Mar 07 18:58:22 i have a strong signal. Mar 07 18:58:30 *nod* I was just there a few weeks ago Mar 07 18:58:38 but i guess it falls right under the 3.5G threshold Mar 07 18:58:47 Chicago proper or outlying suburbs? Mar 07 18:58:54 back and forth.... then it keeps doing the hiccup Mar 07 18:59:02 city Mar 07 18:59:23 odd Mar 07 18:59:39 also. the video chatting over 3G seems kind of crappy... it will work... but seems almost like tmob is filtering it Mar 07 18:59:57 even in other cities... houston did the same thing.. so did seattle Mar 07 19:00:18 the only weakcoverage outside ofa bldg was way down south in the 100st area (near Ford City mall) Mar 07 19:00:24 and there arent too many phones that do the sorts of awesome stuff the n900 does. like video chatting over gtalk Mar 07 19:01:12 hope meego is able to video chat :) Mar 07 19:01:20 that one is kind of a deal breaker for me Mar 07 19:01:24 Meego is dead Mar 07 19:01:25 I have seen weird stuff when I am roaming (going from TMO to a roaming carrier) Mar 07 19:01:52 Sc0rpius: no it isn't Mar 07 19:02:03 the n900 team is still trying to work on it Mar 07 19:02:09 it's totally dead, I'm amazed people still think there will be a device using Meego Mar 07 19:02:17 heh Mar 07 19:02:28 and Meego on the n900 = TOTAL fail Mar 07 19:02:44 yah. but that is nokia/ti's fault Mar 07 19:02:59 they roadblocked their own os :) Mar 07 19:03:03 is that just for now, or will it never work properly due to closed drivers or some such? Mar 07 19:03:14 but some people are still trying to get it working on the n900 but i dont see it any time soon Mar 07 19:03:31 is the Mer project still alive? Mar 07 19:03:33 rm_work: seems like the closed drivers are the largest issue Mar 07 19:03:37 rm_work: no Mar 07 19:03:43 no. mer died a while back Mar 07 19:03:43 :( Mar 07 19:03:51 I don't think that's the issue Mar 07 19:03:53 did it die once Stskeeps went to work for Nokia? lol Mar 07 19:04:06 nitdroid would be pretty good for an n810 Mar 07 19:04:16 so the real solution to everybody's problem is Mar 07 19:04:25 instead of trying to make something useless as Meego work Mar 07 19:04:26 Sc0rpius: i do Mar 07 19:04:26 i worked on Mer basically for 3 days during the Maemo/Mozilla hackfest last year Mar 07 19:04:27 if meego had a dull working n900 driver set it would have taken off by now Mar 07 19:04:31 they should work to make Maemo better. Mar 07 19:04:35 err, year and a half ago maybe? whatever Mar 07 19:04:40 rm_work: no, sts abandoned it a while before he joined MeeGo Mar 07 19:04:58 dull/full Mar 07 19:05:14 hrm, sad Mar 07 19:05:17 is Sts still working for Nokia on meego? Mar 07 19:05:36 ds3, ask him Mar 07 19:06:11 yes.. Mar 07 19:06:12 Sc0rpius: i think the biggest problem with meego is that it tried to become its own thing Mar 07 19:06:30 had it been dedicated to the n900 then it could have been done alreasdy Mar 07 19:06:44 HELO punks Mar 07 19:06:51 but they wanted to add the hardware into the actual linux arm kernel Mar 07 19:06:56 RST38h: I'm not a punk Mar 07 19:06:56 in hopes that meego would be a portable distro Mar 07 19:07:38 Venemo: Ok then, you have not been greeted. Mar 07 19:07:50 they should have concentrated on just using the existing maemo base on the n900 and at least showed the world something worth using that was fully functional on a device Mar 07 19:08:54 hehe Mar 07 19:09:04 instead of worrying about a future distribution... nobody likes waiting to see how something is when you have android on the forefront Mar 07 19:09:04 well only an N900 owner would say something like that hehe Mar 07 19:09:16 yo Mar 07 19:09:19 probably ;) Mar 07 19:09:19 but yeah they should have released a device with Meego on it sooner Mar 07 19:09:21 now it's too late Mar 07 19:09:38 Macer: they have been using the existing maemo base for Maemo 6, called Harmattan Mar 07 19:09:40 the only way to truly save the project would be to finish it Mar 07 19:09:48 what is the password for root user when using backupmenu 0.62 ssh? Mar 07 19:10:07 without big companies paying big salaries, it's unlikely it'll be ever finished Mar 07 19:10:29 Venemo: i meant the existing base as far as a kernel and modules go.. even a chroot would have been better than this long dragged out port Mar 07 19:10:32 Sc0rpius: intel does Mar 07 19:10:43 Intel just wants to put Intel Atoms on phones Mar 07 19:10:49 anyone? i have tried the user password and root password Mar 07 19:10:52 wtf is it? Mar 07 19:10:53 that's why they were involved in this Mar 07 19:10:53 Sc0rpius: i disagree. the problem is the lack of a finished driver set or a good openlike device to put it on Mar 07 19:10:57 Yes, more atoms in phones! Mar 07 19:11:41 I know you are all optimistic and stuff Mar 07 19:11:43 * RST38h politely suggests omitting the word "open" from discussion: neither companies nor end users are interested in the "open" Mar 07 19:11:51 even though I don't think I will ever see a Meego device Mar 07 19:12:01 the contract says Nokia has to release at least ONE Meego device Mar 07 19:12:08 and that's the N950 everybody has been talking about lately Mar 07 19:12:15 so it just turns into the same rproblem mer had :) Mar 07 19:12:15 lack of hardware Mar 07 19:12:16 They are interested in a comfortable, feature complete, supported platform though Mar 07 19:12:23 Sc0rpius: what contract? Mar 07 19:12:27 what the f? Mar 07 19:12:33 N950 is not a MeeGo device Mar 07 19:12:35 the Nokia - Intel contract about Meego Mar 07 19:12:40 RST38h: haha Mar 07 19:12:40 i said "openlike" ;) Mar 07 19:12:52 N950 is a Meego device Mar 07 19:12:53 Sc0rpius: and you know this how? Mar 07 19:13:02 Sc0rpius, no, it's a Maemo 6 device Mar 07 19:13:08 s/know/'know'/ Mar 07 19:13:09 frals meant: Sc0rpius: and you 'know' this how? Mar 07 19:13:14 http://www.newsden.net/meego-powered-nokia-n9-will-be-replaced-by-n950-6982/ Mar 07 19:13:20 all links in the world say that. Mar 07 19:13:24 anyone? Mar 07 19:13:28 and N9 was cancelled Mar 07 19:13:36 Sc0rpius, that's because Maemo 6 is marketed as "MeeGo", remember? Mar 07 19:13:55 Maemo 6 was never finished either Mar 07 19:14:05 actually I prefer a new Maemo device than Meego devices. Mar 07 19:14:11 but I'm pretty sure that will be a Meego device Mar 07 19:15:00 so no one here uses backup menu huh? Mar 07 19:15:05 I do Mar 07 19:15:16 have you used the SSH feature yet? Mar 07 19:15:21 * RST38h yawns: yes, it will be a Maemo6-based device,otherwose known as Harmattan Mar 07 19:15:43 RST38h ++ Mar 07 19:15:47 nope Mar 07 19:15:48 EHLO RST38h Mar 07 19:15:54 I just use it to backup Mar 07 19:15:55 RST38h: saw http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/Can_QtQuick_create_a_Windows_Phone_Hub ;) Mar 07 19:15:58 ? Mar 07 19:16:01 All this "meego" stuff, related to it, is just smoke and mirrors from foribly misled Nokia PR department Mar 07 19:16:07 has ANYONE here used the SSH function of backup menu yet? Mar 07 19:16:22 RST38h ++ Mar 07 19:16:24 javispedro: Yea. I think it is a lot of fear+loathing and some mushrooms. Mar 07 19:16:24 RST38h: agreed ;) Mar 07 19:16:33 robbiethe1st has, I bet Mar 07 19:17:07 it is all aboutwinmob in 11 Mar 07 19:17:10 Furthermore, I have no idea why everyone is so pumped up about "meego": unless you are a system developer, like Stskeeps,it makes no freaking difference whether you run your UI on top of Meego or Debian Mar 07 19:17:22 Macer: winmob is horseshit Mar 07 19:17:32 well brb, I'm gonna install Win7 SP1 Mar 07 19:17:35 well robbiethiest is not here... Mar 07 19:17:38 For systems people, the Meego/Maemo thing does make a bit of difference though Mar 07 19:18:20 I am trying to access my device over ssh through backup menu. I can ping it (over usb) but when I try to log in it just says:Permission denied (publickey,password). Mar 07 19:18:31 which is total horsescock Mar 07 19:19:56 javispedro: here is a bit more interesting piece: http://www.osnews.com/story/24452/Qt_Implementation_for_Android_Introduced Mar 07 19:21:21 old, and third-party.. Mar 07 19:21:46 I doubt we will see a first party implementation :) Mar 07 19:22:42 vi___: you sure it isn't set to the root password of your device? Mar 07 19:23:45 I am pretty sure I have tried it about 500 times now Mar 07 19:26:02 fuck it Mar 07 19:26:13 it also has mass-storage mode Mar 07 19:26:23 I can run a fsck on it from there Mar 07 19:28:06 Venemo, did you managed to install and launch ity? Mar 07 19:28:37 * javispedro heard for the first time ever someone pronnounce "Tcl" "tickle". Mar 07 19:28:44 Macer: winmob is horseshit Mar 07 19:28:48 * vi___ concurs Mar 07 19:29:21 ZogG, yes Mar 07 19:29:36 vi___: "passwd command will update the root password, which changes BackupMenu's password by extension." Mar 07 19:29:48 Why? "tickle" is how it is pronounced,no? Mar 07 19:30:26 ZogG: and the app that you sent me works too Mar 07 19:31:02 RST38h: yes. cue confusion. Mar 07 19:31:03 vi___: according to his comment here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=867856 Mar 07 19:31:18 (including me; I didn't know better...) Mar 07 19:31:30 bbl Mar 07 19:32:27 Venemo i know it does, but no title thing Mar 07 19:32:38 ZogG, I'm on it Mar 07 19:32:55 actually it shows title changes title only as it is lauched for the first time Mar 07 19:33:11 if you only could explain as well Mar 07 19:33:25 trying now with glib thing but don' Mar 07 19:33:35 t like the idea of using it Mar 07 19:33:59 and on other hand can't link boost to switch to C++ Mar 07 19:35:18 ZogG: just leave it to me Mar 07 19:36:08 that's not fun =( Mar 07 19:36:16 but at least will get app Mar 07 19:43:06 ZogG, if you've never seen C/C++, I suggest you don't touch GLib/GObject :) Mar 07 19:43:19 thats what i though. But...it...just...doesnt...WORK! Mar 07 19:43:42 In fact,do not touch Boost either Mar 07 19:43:56 err, what's with vi___? Mar 07 19:44:09 Mohammad:He talks toomuch. Mar 07 19:45:35 I.. see Mar 07 19:50:37 ZogG: wait a few more minutes Mar 07 19:55:06 i'm here Mar 07 19:57:59 whos Andrew Flegg? Mar 07 19:58:17 what's his nick here i mean :-) Mar 07 19:58:20 AsiQue: Jaffa Mar 07 19:58:27 tnx Mar 07 19:58:36 I suppose I don't need a special cable for h-e-n? Mar 07 20:00:29 Wizzup: you need a cable that can connect a microUSB female to a standard USB female Mar 07 20:01:23 Ah, true. Mar 07 20:11:20 ~botsnack Mar 07 20:11:20 aw, gee, DocScrutinizer51 Mar 07 20:27:50 ZogG: how can I add a song from my collection to xmms2? Mar 07 20:28:29 Venemo just use xmms2 radd path/to/mp3s Mar 07 20:28:54 ok ZogG Mar 07 20:29:55 onion: ping Mar 07 20:34:59 Venemo or if you installed gxmms2 you can just drag and drop Mar 07 20:35:07 ZogG: drag and drop doesn't work Mar 07 20:35:10 ZogG: I tried Mar 07 20:35:53 ZogG: seems that this stuff doesn't call back the callback correctly. Mar 07 20:36:22 lol Mar 07 20:36:50 it does call it back the first time I hit any of the buttons Mar 07 20:36:59 then sometimes it does, sometimes it doesn't Mar 07 20:39:16 ZogG: okay, it now call back okay, but still gives me bad values... Mar 07 20:39:40 you just need to get id in call back Mar 07 20:39:51 ZogG: yes, and it doesn't give the right song title Mar 07 20:40:06 but it does give you id Mar 07 20:40:47 ZogG: when I jump to another song, it gives me the previous song's id Mar 07 20:41:13 but it does change id? Mar 07 20:41:50 ZogG: I have 2 items in my playlist. I start the first, it gives correct id. I click "next", the next song starts playing and it gives the old one's id Mar 07 20:42:05 ZogG: then after that I click on stop or next, and it gives me the current id. Mar 07 20:42:21 try to add third one Mar 07 20:43:34 ZogG: it always gives the correct id only on the second callback... :S Mar 07 20:44:03 hmm Mar 07 20:44:14 mind to show how you did it Mar 07 20:45:07 heh, media APIs are weird Mar 07 20:45:33 MohammadAG, you are Mar 07 20:45:36 MafwRenderer actually sends (unknown artist/album) and no album art even when I have them right from MafwSource Mar 07 20:45:43 ZogG, fuck off :P Mar 07 20:45:51 oh yeah Mar 07 20:45:56 give me with whom Mar 07 20:46:11 stop arguing, guys Mar 07 20:46:20 we're not arguing lol Mar 07 20:46:27 are we? Mar 07 20:46:41 at least not on IRC' Mar 07 20:46:42 * ZogG hugs Venemo Mar 07 20:46:46 * MohammadAG drives to Tel-aviv Mar 07 20:47:27 MohammadAG wanna meet? =) Mar 07 20:47:31 AsiQue: You rang? Mar 07 20:48:27 ZogG: also ZogG, it doesn't call back the callback when I start playing a different song from gxmms2 Mar 07 20:48:41 ZogG, don't think I could :P Mar 07 20:48:42 what? Mar 07 20:49:04 ZogG: but it works in the opposite direction, so it must be working somehow Mar 07 20:49:26 delay the callback Mar 07 20:49:34 MohammadAG: ha ha ha Mar 07 20:49:48 MohammadAG: it always gives the id of the previous item, so I must be missing something Mar 07 20:49:55 ZogG: let's see the source code of gxmms2 Mar 07 20:49:55 Venemo, you mean opposite how? Mar 07 20:50:04 it's gtk Mar 07 20:50:15 ZogG: if I jump to next/previous from your app, then gxmms2 will notice the change Mar 07 20:50:23 Venemo, did you use glib? Mar 07 20:50:36 glib is a pita Mar 07 20:50:51 Venemo, lol Mar 07 20:51:06 Venemo, sure it is and it's not connected to you Mar 07 20:53:21 ZogG, no Mar 07 20:53:42 ZogG: the app itself uses gtk which uses glib, but it's not messed in with the xmms lib Mar 07 20:55:41 Venemo i have several clients for xmms2 and they work not connected to eachother Mar 07 20:55:56 you can as well try xmms2 next from console Mar 07 20:56:11 it should send you callback as song changed and doen't matter how Mar 07 20:56:43 ZogG: well gxmms2 can know when I manipulate stuff from your app Mar 07 20:56:44 fucking SGX Mar 07 20:56:54 ZogG: anyway, I now definitely know that xmms sux Mar 07 20:57:12 haha it doesn't Mar 07 20:57:22 ZogG: I'll uninstall it as soon as I figured out this callback for you Mar 07 20:57:51 isn't xmms what the N8x0 uses? Mar 07 20:59:03 maybe first one Mar 07 20:59:28 you know ZogG Mar 07 20:59:35 did someone port gkrellm to the n900 yet? Mar 07 20:59:37 ZogG, I'm angry with you. Mar 07 20:59:47 ZogG: it took me 5 minutes of search to find this: http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/libxmms2qt/ Mar 07 21:00:17 no way Mar 07 21:00:57 ZogG: native Qt4 bindings for libxmms2 Mar 07 21:01:37 i don't have it Mar 07 21:01:51 ZogG: clone that repo, package that stuff and start using it Mar 07 21:03:30 Venemo, anyway you helped me here, you see Mar 07 21:03:40 though i want to see your code Mar 07 21:03:47 okay Mar 07 21:03:53 moment Mar 07 21:05:04 heh Mar 07 21:09:39 ZogG: anyway, I think I'm missing something Mar 07 21:09:45 ZogG: I'll try something Mar 07 21:09:47 love ? =) Mar 07 21:10:28 hmm, the problem there is no tut on libqt4 Mar 07 21:10:36 i mean libxxms-qt4 Mar 07 21:11:03 the code is the tutorial eh? Mar 07 21:11:39 i'll look into http://git.xmms.se/cgit.cgi/xmms2/libxmms2qt/tree/tests Mar 07 21:12:51 ZogG: seems that this lib uses a direct TCP connection to xmms Mar 07 21:13:15 Venemo you mean xmms2? Mar 07 21:13:23 damn i mean libxmms2-qt Mar 07 21:13:38 yes ZogG, I mean Mar 07 21:14:14 ok. i'll try to look into it Mar 07 21:14:26 hmm ZogG, I think these callbacks are not really intended to be used like I used them. Mar 07 21:15:30 3Nyurgh, my 3G internet is being really crap :( Mar 07 21:16:09 shoot it! Mar 07 21:16:14 Venemo i don't know you didn't show me the code Mar 07 21:18:26 explain 3G to IL Orange for me, kthxbai Mar 07 21:18:30 1MBps is shit Mar 07 21:20:59 That's better than I'm getting .... Mar 07 21:21:13 It keeps dropping out, I usually get about 2Mbs Mar 07 21:22:12 ZogG: venemo.net/temp/fresh.tar.gz Mar 07 21:22:19 ZogG: http://venemo.net/temp/fresh.tar.gz Mar 07 21:22:35 ZogG: I figured out that this kind of callback is not what I was looking for really Mar 07 21:22:58 I was thinking of buying one of those Parrot AR.Drone things and getting it to work with my N900 :D Mar 07 21:23:01 Then I saw the price. Mar 07 21:23:11 MohammadAG i got 600kbs+ for torrent on 3G Mar 07 21:24:32 ZogG: so I deleted them Mar 07 21:24:41 ZogG: anyway it still doesn't work as supposed Mar 07 21:25:35 ZogG, as for music, I'll stick to Rythmbox :) Mar 07 21:26:02 ZogG: I suggest you use that Qt binding lib, it seems pretty neat Mar 07 21:26:37 Venemo i suggest you try xmms2 Mar 07 21:28:45 ZogG: I have xmms2 yes Mar 07 21:29:05 ZogG: installed it just for you Mar 07 21:32:49 ZogG, anyway, I'll uninstall it very soon :) Mar 07 21:33:18 ZogG, I got 1000+ in Jordan Mar 07 21:33:34 (HTTP, not a torrent) Mar 07 22:16:47 hello, Mar 07 22:17:10 question; where can i found arm-2007q3-51sb6-gdb71-arm-none-linux-gnueabi_linux.tar.bz2 ? need for madde Mar 07 22:51:56 Venemo: hello Mar 07 22:52:00 oops Mar 07 23:04:35 DocScrutinizer: I hope you are reading the discussion at #meego Mar 07 23:05:07 nope Mar 07 23:05:24 wazzup? Mar 07 23:05:40 tracker bashing now went "upstream" Mar 07 23:06:01 heh :-D Mar 07 23:07:25 tbh, I read Arjan's post on the meego mailing list as more nails in the coffin Mar 07 23:07:29 * merlin1991 wonders why everyone bashes tracker whilst not doing something to make it better Mar 07 23:07:57 if not for anything else than causing more internal uncoherence. there was plenty already... Mar 07 23:08:02 Meego is dead Mar 07 23:08:19 and good point merlin1991 Mar 07 23:08:23 RST38h: if you're around, please read meego-devel mailing list =) Mar 07 23:09:01 best thing to make things better with tracker is doing without it Mar 07 23:09:06 * javispedro does not blame tracker Mar 07 23:09:15 In fact I remember there was a time when there was this Beagle thing. Mar 07 23:09:34 _that_ was a piece of crap, written in C#. Tracker was supposed to be the leaner, C replacement... Mar 07 23:09:37 tracker is fine for spotlight/kerrybeagle/whatever Mar 07 23:09:39 ugh Mar 07 23:09:48 but NOT for mediaplayer Mar 07 23:09:49 Beagle was terrible :) Mar 07 23:10:00 yeah Mar 07 23:10:03 see? everyone agrees all indexers are terrible =) Mar 07 23:10:14 is there a non terrible indexer around? Mar 07 23:10:19 locate? Mar 07 23:10:19 javispedro, locate? Mar 07 23:10:30 that is not an indexer, it just does filenames Mar 07 23:10:32 I have a shell script somewhere that does the same thing Mar 07 23:10:46 not to mention that updatedb brings my n900 to a complete halt.. Mar 07 23:10:47 there are nonterrible indexer usecases Mar 07 23:11:00 it starts with find . -iname \*.mp3, iirc :) Mar 07 23:12:46 anyway. I have to do the sibiric now Mar 07 23:12:57 walk to buy tobacco Mar 07 23:13:02 meego is soo dead. Mar 07 23:13:14 how come we still don't have filesystems that function as their own indexes Mar 07 23:13:32 however, I'm not sure that's bad news for the nokia meego device... Mar 07 23:15:23 javispedro, I pushed webos games installer into extras-devel. If you have time, take a look on it, I would appreciate you comments and suggestions. Especially, knowing that you don't like any installers like this )) Mar 07 23:15:28 name is wgames Mar 07 23:15:42 javispedro: you reckon it's a gonna? Mar 07 23:16:01 http://wgames.garage.maemo.org/ Mar 07 23:16:09 * lardman wonders whether to bother with the Tab port then, or to just head for Ubuntu Mar 07 23:16:49 lardman: Meego Core is quite good, specially when compared when Ubuntu... so, no :) Mar 07 23:18:03 a viable UI + repos for apps are quite important too though Mar 07 23:18:29 I hope the renewed N900 effort might produce something there Mar 07 23:20:12 javispedro: is there a list of stuff that runs under preenv? Mar 07 23:20:37 divan: why, to hear me cry "might god have mercy upon us, what have we done...." Mar 07 23:20:57 not used a capital G I bet ;) Mar 07 23:21:05 $DEITY Mar 07 23:21:09 :) Mar 07 23:21:56 chx: well, you can probably use divan 's app ... or wiki.maemo.org/Preenv Mar 07 23:21:58 javispedro, no, I thought I might have some good ideas/critics. Mar 07 23:22:25 I think the "Find on the internet" button that probably launches Google with the search terms entered is a bit over the top =) Mar 07 23:22:55 Agree. I'll change it to open Games' URL ) Mar 07 23:23:33 lol @ searchbutton Mar 07 23:25:03 well, I think it's way overdone. Remember that the original DrNokSnes banner had some Nintendo bitmaps that I had to remove back in the day... Mar 07 23:29:18 javispedro: you noticed my adventure with CSSU dependency hell yesterday? Mar 07 23:29:24 javispedro: did you ever blog/writeup about your journey to get SNES to 60fps? Mar 07 23:29:39 last i remember it was around 30 Mar 07 23:29:51 pupnik_: nope, I've recently written on gp2x about some of the work I did Mar 07 23:29:59 pupnik_: it's still 30 on n8x0 Mar 07 23:30:23 it just that n900 's graphics speed has pretty much been mastered already Mar 07 23:30:25 well i don't trust my memory so you shouldn't either Mar 07 23:30:29 ah Mar 07 23:30:44 original drnoksnes on n900 was 30fps =) Mar 07 23:30:53 ok thanks. whew Mar 07 23:31:26 but that's mostly due to compositor, and you only reach 60 without it Mar 07 23:31:41 for the scaled modes, HAA is used, which means around ~40 tops Mar 07 23:31:51 so that compositor explains the high usage of Xorg i see in many games Mar 07 23:32:10 pupnik_: use settings -> zoom -> 2x Mar 07 23:32:33 this way I revert to an armv7 scaler and plain xshm with compositor disabled Mar 07 23:33:16 yes that's what i was using Mar 07 23:33:52 pushing everything an extra loop through 3d takes lots of resources :) Mar 07 23:33:55 excellent excellent... that approach should be used for everything Mar 07 23:34:09 i mean emus Mar 07 23:34:40 playing albion - that DOS game that was recompiled for arm Mar 07 23:34:55 iirc someone once said browser isn't composited :) Mar 07 23:34:56 rather, disassembled, then recompiled Mar 07 23:35:19 ShadowJK: has titlebar = composited. doesn't have = very probably isn't. Mar 07 23:35:22 some guy said "i'm going to disassemble a dos game and recompile for arm" Mar 07 23:35:45 and he did it Mar 07 23:35:49 hehe Mar 07 23:36:18 btw pupnik_ you might want to take a look at the psx emulation on the n900 threads... tbh I've no idea what the current state is, I think they have like 5 or 6 different authors Mar 07 23:36:50 i was testing some versions yesterday, pretty amazing to see them run smooth with gles Mar 07 23:37:25 DocScrutinizer51: nope, not remember it =) Mar 07 23:37:30 but they are only getting 50% cpu for the core emulation Mar 07 23:37:34 the rest is being 'wasted' Mar 07 23:37:50 on what? sgx waits? Mar 07 23:38:16 pulse, xorg, hildon-desktop Mar 07 23:38:34 hildon-desktop????? Mar 07 23:38:40 they're compositing gles output???? Mar 07 23:38:43 that's _EVIL_ Mar 07 23:39:16 not everybody is on top of the tech like you Mar 07 23:39:48 but they just have to make the window fullscreen... Mar 07 23:40:08 well, and some other conditions noone usually has to worry about... Mar 07 23:40:29 pupnik_: press Ctrl+Shift+N while on the game, see if fps improves Mar 07 23:40:59 is that compositing toggle?? Mar 07 23:41:07 i can't run snes atm Mar 07 23:41:34 snes controls composition, I'm talking about sgx Mar 07 23:41:37 err Mar 07 23:41:45 that psx emulator you said wasted cpu time on hildon-desktop Mar 07 23:42:38 and yes, it makes hildon-desktop temporariy enter uncomposited mode (until next time it tries to decide wheter composite/uncomposite again) Mar 07 23:42:49 (which usually is when a new window is mapped) Mar 07 23:43:08 (a key combination found by MohammadAG iirc , thanks! ) Mar 07 23:43:25 it made xchat weird Mar 07 23:44:01 it's not "weird", it's exactly what should happen =) Mar 07 23:44:49 ideally, xchat would start continuously pumping next full window updates, but it doesn't Mar 07 23:45:15 hm, xrefresh doesn't help Mar 07 23:45:33 but cycling through entire channel list fixed the contents in it atleast :) Mar 07 23:53:58 javispedro: please read #maemo-ssu chanlog. There's something odd with CSSU when MHD got installed before, and It's messing up things and hard to escape Mar 07 23:54:15 is ctrl-shift-n a toggle? Mar 07 23:54:21 yep Mar 07 23:54:37 shows no difference here Mar 07 23:54:45 is it only part of that advanced hildon desktop program? Mar 07 23:55:00 nope Mar 07 23:55:04 where are you trying it? Mar 07 23:55:20 http://wiki.maemo.org/Modified_Hildon_Desktop Mar 07 23:55:27 pcsx - non gles version Mar 07 23:55:53 whoah not it did something Mar 07 23:55:55 how Mar 07 23:56:30 disabling it gives black screen Mar 07 23:56:49 it means it uses HAA Mar 07 23:57:43 you made sdl_haa, i see Mar 07 23:58:08 http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-HildonAnimationActor.html ahh Mar 07 23:58:11 yep Mar 07 23:59:02 HAA plugs into that, and it theoretically is the best way to upload 2D to the compositor in order to then do random 3D transformations to it, like rotation or scaling. Mar 07 23:59:13 wtf that's what xchat is supposed to do on ctrl-sh-N?? Mar 07 23:59:43 well i get 53% pcsx,, 27.2 % xprg, 16.9% hildon-desktop Mar 07 23:59:51 *xorg Mar 07 23:59:53 "xprg"? Mar 07 23:59:53 ah Mar 08 00:00:27 it's kind of cool to see this working while minimized of course Mar 08 00:00:55 the question then comes down to: can you do a scaler that uses less CPU than that? Mar 08 00:01:30 mhm Mar 08 00:03:56 omap 3 has these extra framebuffers that can be scaled for free Mar 08 00:04:11 used for outputting to video for e.g. Mar 08 00:04:17 yes Mar 08 00:04:25 I now remember those discussions =) Mar 08 00:04:28 you were there! Mar 08 00:04:44 :) Mar 08 00:05:44 did i tell you i had a stroke? lost ability to speak and write words Mar 08 00:05:55 it was amazing Mar 08 00:05:56 yes, I remember that too. Mar 08 00:06:44 it would be so cool to be able to temporarily disable regions of your own brain Mar 08 00:06:49 and see what that feels like Mar 08 00:07:16 council nominations already flowing in! Mar 08 00:08:04 http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_Council/Council_election_Q1_2011/Eligible_candidates Mar 08 00:09:57 (read maemo-community mailing list if you're interested!) Mar 08 00:13:08 I saw Handwriting calculator app for N800. Is is available for N900? Mar 08 00:19:59 why the hell does twitter suggest me to follow "Women's Wear Daily", "The Dalai Lama", and "Preschoolers" twitter feeds RIGHT after following lcuk??? Mar 08 00:20:54 not that I blame lcuk, as he's not following any of those... but c'mon twitter, you can do better... Mar 08 00:21:50 heh Mar 08 00:22:17 pupnik_: they can do that with strong magnetic fields Mar 08 00:25:03 how do you know javispedro :0 Mar 08 00:26:14 Proteous: cool http://www.reasons.org/evolution/consciousness/magnets-and-morality Mar 08 00:28:35 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transcranial_magnetic_stimulation Mar 08 00:28:40 that is the tech they use to do it Mar 08 00:51:51 user Figa is one of the coolest beginners Mar 08 02:33:24 funny detail: modest popped up several warning banners about "host IP or port not reachable", "authentication failed" etc, and usually froze on one those. No task switching possible, of course no closing of the requester. Though there was still click feedback by audio and vib. I usually was able to kill it via powerbutton->kill-current-task, but one time I went fancy and opened an xterm which of course also opened blurred under the banner. Mar 08 02:33:25 When I closed that one via powerbutton, the banner hoovered over desktop screen, and no more "kill-current-task" in powerbutton :-P ==> powerdown/reboot Mar 08 02:34:53 (in case you wonder: I opened the xterm via kbd-shortcut) Mar 08 02:37:08 mornin DocScrutinizer Mar 08 02:37:23 in case you want to reproduce: create an imap account with server URL that has a typo, and select TLS for transport security Mar 08 02:38:07 then proceed to SMTP server and there you as well select TLS but with a correct server URL Mar 08 02:38:16 moin pupnik Mar 08 02:59:24 * DocScrutinizer waves at javispedro **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 08 02:59:57 2011