**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Mar 11 02:59:57 2011 Mar 11 03:01:05 >> If the bandwidth attribute is present for a stream, it indicates the desired bandwidth that the offerer would like to receive. Mar 11 03:02:05 >> If multiple media streams of different types are present, it means that the offerer wishes to use those streams at the same time. A typical case is an audio and a video stream as part of a videoconference. Mar 11 03:03:08 just another question : I am trying easy debian. why is it EXT2 instead of EXT3 ? Mar 11 03:03:59 hmm, possibly because ext3 isn't so extremely useful on flash stoarge? Mar 11 03:04:37 DocScrutinizer: I had reboots while updating and then ext2 got corrupted Mar 11 03:04:57 ext3 also can get corrupted Mar 11 03:06:04 well, you can eaily convert to ext3 if you like Mar 11 03:06:11 tune2fs Mar 11 03:08:05 DocScrutinizer: I was just wondering why ext2, maybe faster ? maybe safer for a flash memory ? donno Mar 11 03:08:54 safer for flash, ext3 adds write actions when transferring the log to real fs Mar 11 03:09:33 err s/log/journal/ Mar 11 03:10:17 ok I see Mar 11 03:12:37 >>An offered stream MAY be rejected in the answer, ... To reject an offered stream, the port number in the corresponding stream in the answer MUST be set to zero. Mar 11 03:13:55 ^^^this means when your video call gets rejected for the video part, then the stream m= line in SDP msg has a port number of zero Mar 11 03:15:22 ...while tracing the SDP offer msg generated by N900 calling out tells you what codecs the N900 supports, and in which priority sort order Mar 11 03:15:45 wireshark dissects these SDP mgs nicely Mar 11 03:16:31 morning :> Mar 11 03:16:39 morning pupnik_ Mar 11 03:17:37 biughtr an old webcam for a couple euro and it was plug n play with kernel Mar 11 03:17:45 bought Mar 11 03:17:46 kpoman: I.E. you see an inbound INVITE SIP msg that has a SDP section Mar 11 03:17:51 on your PC Mar 11 03:19:28 in this SDP section the N900 tells ekiga what codecs to use Mar 11 03:21:30 ekiga will choose the first codec in that list which it supports, and answer with a similar SIP msg with SDP section Mar 11 03:26:04 sorry I just got back here Mar 11 03:27:03 kpoman: NB also for your port forwards etc: >>> The connection address and port in the answer indicate the address where the answerer wishes to receive media (in the case of RTP, RTCP will be received on the port which is one higher unless there is an explicit indication otherwise). This address and port MUST be present even for sendonly streams; in the case of RTP, the port one higher is still used to receive RTCP. Mar 11 03:29:44 * ShadowJK suspects ext3 is better than ext2 on flash anyway Mar 11 03:29:59 really? how that? Mar 11 03:30:49 well, journal rarely has erasepage misses Mar 11 03:30:59 exactly Mar 11 03:31:42 And ext2/ext3 assumes harddrives either succeed or fail at writing 512 byte sectors, and everything adjacent to those 512 byte sectors is left intact if stuff fails Mar 11 03:31:46 still if the writeout of the whole page gets aborted it's not any better than ext2 Mar 11 03:31:54 then flash goes and blows away 128k chunks of your data :D Mar 11 03:33:02 my theory is that ext3 works faster (I saw that in benchmarks) because it first writes to journal and then when you're not doing much it can go sprinkle the journal all over the place Mar 11 03:33:08 the contents of the journal that is Mar 11 03:33:24 yep Mar 11 03:34:18 My ad-hoc "interactivity" benchmark showed ext4 as 10 times faster than ext3 anyway Mar 11 03:34:31 which is probably thanks to delayed allocation Mar 11 03:34:38 wow Mar 11 03:52:42 How can I disable the voice pronouncing the time (no idea in which case and for what event, but randomly.....) on the swipe unlock screen ? Mar 11 03:56:17 djszapi: err wut? Acoustic delusions? Mar 11 03:57:12 which system? Mar 11 04:02:20 hmm... why can't i video call using gtalk to a honeycomb tablet (that supports it) from my n900? Mar 11 04:02:56 but i can gtalk video call from my n900 to another n900 and from my n900 to a linux computer running the empathy client Mar 11 04:03:11 but i can't from empathy to the android tablet either Mar 11 04:03:24 * trip0 calls BS on android Mar 11 04:03:30 they must be doing something no? Mar 11 04:03:52 i can only vid call from gtalk in a browser to the tablet Mar 11 04:46:09 could someone please help me a bit ? I lost my sources.list on easy debian Mar 11 04:46:11 help ! Mar 11 04:46:28 if someone could post it somewhere ? Mar 11 04:47:29 I installed a lame app, netselect-apt , it took about 5 minutes and then killed the sources.list file Mar 11 04:47:31 this really sucks Mar 11 04:48:38 why am i so unlucky damned Mar 11 04:48:40 :( Mar 11 04:50:39 ok got it Mar 11 04:50:48 is there a way to change the mirror to a brazil one ? Mar 11 05:19:12 well this easy debian image thing is junky Mar 11 05:19:21 it always reboot Mar 11 05:19:27 it always corrupts the fs Mar 11 05:19:31 it really sucks Mar 11 05:19:44 it cannot be corrected, fsck.ext2 kills it all Mar 11 05:29:57 ok I am putting easy debian in an ext3 fs Mar 11 05:30:05 hope it will solve this mess Mar 11 05:49:51 Hi, I am about to install Easy Desbian to MicroSd. Do I need to partition the card first? Sorry for the newbie question. Mar 11 06:08:15 sigh Mar 11 06:44:56 ouch heavy earthquake and tsunami in Japan Mar 11 07:21:19 <_|Nix|_> Hey! Does anyone know why omweather keeps timing out when I try to update it? Mar 11 07:45:59 broke it again Mar 11 07:46:08 flasher is my friend Mar 11 07:46:35 Darnit, stop breaking things! Mar 11 07:47:03 hehe Mar 11 07:49:06 the interesting thing to me is Mar 11 07:49:15 how many hundreds of people were logged into #maemo Mar 11 07:49:17 who never talked Mar 11 07:49:29 that says something about how committed they were to the project Mar 11 07:49:36 "i'm getting paid to idle here" Mar 11 07:50:19 those shits can go work for microsoft Mar 11 07:50:26 and i hope they get cancer Mar 11 07:50:40 lol Mar 11 07:50:49 o_O Mar 11 07:50:54 is active participation actually required to support something? Mar 11 07:51:21 yes it is Mar 11 07:51:21 right now my status is i fail to hack my n900 Mar 11 07:51:25 and i have to reflash it often Mar 11 07:51:38 dangergrrl, how often was it so far? Mar 11 07:51:40 * ArkN900 is on fruct meego conference. fist presentation was to be Nokia, but was cancelled (as expected) Mar 11 07:52:02 twice in two days Mar 11 07:52:08 so 4 times so far Mar 11 07:52:14 still below average ;) Mar 11 07:52:17 twice total Mar 11 07:52:20 ahh Mar 11 07:52:23 way below average Mar 11 07:52:23 only intel guys are talking so far Mar 11 07:52:26 i crashed it yesterday Mar 11 07:52:35 nokia fist presentation.. lol Mar 11 07:52:36 flashed it and decided to call myself ahead Mar 11 07:52:48 first Mar 11 07:52:59 good typo :) Mar 11 07:53:08 yeah :) Mar 11 07:53:33 i'd even say middle finger Mar 11 07:53:33 i think we've already seen nokia fist their customers Mar 11 07:53:52 aaarrrgghh LOL Mar 11 07:53:56 well, really maybe more like fist Mar 11 07:54:52 miocrosoft spends far too much money messing up our toys Mar 11 07:55:54 atom shit talk all the way, boring Mar 11 07:56:55 it's intel... do you expect ANYTHING else than x86 arch??? Mar 11 07:57:28 i thought intel had ARM rights too Mar 11 07:57:37 well, intel was involved in arm iirc Mar 11 07:58:16 yeah involved... maybe 0.00001% of their business Mar 11 07:59:42 btw they say meego is completely opensource and has no proprietary compopnents Mar 11 08:00:01 isn't it bs? Mar 11 08:00:14 ArkN900, well the core probably is Mar 11 08:00:24 ah, the core Mar 11 08:00:49 no clue about the UX layer but I thought that was as well Mar 11 08:01:09 the problem comes from all the non intel x86 hw that gets stuck.. and hell even intels own hw requires bloby firmware Mar 11 08:01:10 meego has fewer closed components Mar 11 08:01:45 microsoft is a twrrorust organiyation Mar 11 08:01:47 i haven't utsl much less booted it however Mar 11 08:01:52 terrorist Mar 11 08:02:10 are you welsh or something? Mar 11 08:02:33 :) Mar 11 08:02:33 no Mar 11 08:02:42 (twrrorust) Mar 11 08:02:57 phone kbd Mar 11 08:03:01 aha Mar 11 08:03:14 dangergrrl, the amount of closed components depends also on the vendor and the hardware Mar 11 08:03:30 those welsh like to use w as a vowel Mar 11 08:03:39 I believe android is also completly open source... Mar 11 08:04:03 until you put it on a device where the vendor adds it's own closed components and closed drivers Mar 11 08:04:05 dang.. i mess with microsofties Mar 11 08:04:25 it is good sport Mar 11 08:04:26 actually other than a lot of missing device support nitdroid works fine on n900 compiled from the open source android release Mar 11 08:05:07 talking much about notebook meego builds, mentioned lenovo being partner bla bla bla.. they gave me booklet about lenovo notebooks, guess what? no mention of linux of any flavor and w7 on every page Mar 11 08:05:11 not terribly useful other than as an exercise, half your phone isn't supported Mar 11 08:05:54 they could at least print a different one, but they just do not care Mar 11 08:05:56 like oh wow, i have flash 10 Mar 11 08:06:07 too bad my internet isn't supported :) Mar 11 08:07:13 btw isn't meego painfully slow (as well as not fully functional) on n900? Mar 11 08:07:43 i haven't tried Mar 11 08:07:49 the disclaimers are offputting Mar 11 08:08:12 (don't blame us if your phone calls finland for 12 hours in the background) Mar 11 08:08:42 ArkN900, nokia is actually giving man hours to get a usable meego port on the n900 Mar 11 08:09:02 the so called Developer Edition Mar 11 08:09:16 n900 is the meego ARM reference platform Mar 11 08:09:42 dangergrrl, that doesn't say much ;) Mar 11 08:10:04 ruskie, aren't meego system requirements noticeably higher than maemo5? Mar 11 08:10:11 no clue Mar 11 08:10:56 i don't see why they would be it's not like everything is java :) Mar 11 08:12:42 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/DeveloperEdition <-- for the nokia initiative Mar 11 08:32:31 what's the out of the box password to unlock the n900? Mar 11 08:32:47 you mean lock code? Mar 11 08:32:50 12345 iirc Mar 11 08:33:04 yeah I kind of accidentally locked it Mar 11 08:33:09 mom Mar 11 08:33:56 ruskie: 12345 was correct thanks :) Mar 11 08:39:50 sq-one, the "security code" i.e. lock code is standard for all sim-based phones Mar 11 08:41:55 xkr47: oh I didn't know that. I just switched from a windows mobile 6 phone to the n900 yesterday. On my old phone there wasn's such a thing Mar 11 08:41:55 How can I disable the voice pronouncing the time (no idea in which case and for what event, but randomly.....) on the swipe unlock screen ? Mar 11 08:42:12 djszapi, you might have espeak time or what's that installed??? Mar 11 08:42:22 see control panel or whatever Mar 11 08:42:28 should be some info about it there Mar 11 08:42:36 what do you mean ? Mar 11 08:42:41 djszapi, also try this: tripple press the power button Mar 11 08:42:50 does the time gets spoken? Mar 11 08:43:01 sq-one, welcome to n900 :) Mar 11 08:43:13 there's an app that does the time speaking stuff Mar 11 08:43:38 ruskie: you mean 'triple' ? Mar 11 08:43:42 ups Mar 11 08:43:43 yeah Mar 11 08:43:58 still sleep deprived(like the rest of the week this week :( ) Mar 11 08:44:45 *nods* happens, I am gonna try it later out and come ba ck. Mar 11 08:44:48 * back Mar 11 08:49:26 hehe, a guy from linuxcenter talked about interaction with chinese oems, i asked him if they are going to make any phones Mar 11 08:49:30 the short answer is no, the long is they want to give nokia priority for some political reason apparently and do not want to compete Mar 11 08:49:48 that sucks Mar 11 08:57:34 Morning, all Mar 11 09:02:57 ruskie: yeah, if I press the power button three times, I hear that voice, yep. Mar 11 09:03:03 how to eliminate that ? Mar 11 09:03:11 djszapi, remove espeak time iirc Mar 11 09:03:20 lol Mar 11 09:03:34 you are saying I must remove a package because I cannot configure its feature ? Mar 11 09:04:02 go to settings and see what you can change Mar 11 09:04:09 but this is NOT a standard application Mar 11 09:04:18 it's something you installed yourself Mar 11 09:04:37 yes, but I stick by my opinion. Mar 11 09:04:47 apt-get remove is a hammer solution Mar 11 09:04:49 go to settings and configure it Mar 11 09:04:53 it has some settings Mar 11 09:04:57 what they are I don't recall Mar 11 09:05:38 iir it's called eSpeakTime Mar 11 10:00:15 Morning Mar 11 10:00:27 moorning Khertan Mar 11 10:17:14 /identify Mar 11 10:36:58 http://lists.meego.com/pipermail/meego-dev/2011-March/481890.html Mar 11 11:15:35 thanks RST38h Mar 11 11:15:39 what was Buteo then? Mar 11 11:16:05 Buzzard afaict ;) Mar 11 11:17:23 lol @ last sentence about serious performance problems from Tracker Mar 11 11:18:40 lardman: Who knows? Mar 11 11:18:58 RST38h: that seems to be precisely the problem :) Mar 11 11:19:14 lardman: there is a bigger problem in this thread Mar 11 11:19:23 lardman: tentatively known as Moblin Mar 11 11:19:37 as in Meego is reverting to Moblin? Mar 11 11:19:44 * lardman has not finished reading the email thread yet Mar 11 11:20:07 lardman: yes Mar 11 11:20:35 Mar 11 11:21:05 enjoy! :) Mar 11 11:21:15 Moblin is at least a less silly name. Mar 11 11:21:35 I would argue that you should stick to a brand to build mindshare. Mar 11 11:21:37 But... Mar 11 11:27:17 pyradio hates me tonight Mar 11 11:46:32 ~javispedro Mar 11 11:49:46 wow, that thread just runs and runs Mar 11 11:58:49 hello # Mar 11 11:59:03 question: fremantle supposed to work from meego madde ? Mar 11 12:06:27 people, which is the best way to buy n900 in Germany? Mar 11 12:06:57 I've bought one in US from amazon.com, now it costs there $350 Mar 11 12:07:25 naemo: in germany i don't know but i have a second hand for 200€ in france Mar 11 12:07:43 however, amazon.de wants 350euro for n900 which is ~$500 which is expensive. Mar 11 12:08:23 that's expensive??? Mar 11 12:08:35 I payed for mine 620eur new when I bought it Mar 11 12:08:51 ruskie: yes but new ? Mar 11 12:09:04 ruskie: Yeah, but that was way back when it was shiny, new and supported and had a great future in front of it :) Mar 11 12:09:08 niala1: I would like to get a new one Mar 11 12:09:22 niala1, yeah... new from the local nokia distributor Mar 11 12:09:25 then buy the one in the us and pay VAT when you import it? Mar 11 12:09:26 it was supported??? Mar 11 12:09:27 really??? Mar 11 12:09:39 Well, I got three SSU updates :) Mar 11 12:10:22 dangergrrl, don't forget import duty ;) Mar 11 12:10:23 ruskie: I bought my in US for $400 in autumn. Mar 11 12:11:00 mine Mar 11 12:11:21 i dunno Mar 11 12:11:27 Now I need yet another one, but in Germany :) Mar 11 12:11:45 Hmm Mar 11 12:11:56 only thing i've ever ordered internationally has been smart drugs shipped to the us from .nl or .uk Mar 11 12:12:19 When I forward X applications and attemt to type in them, typing is done in the console window, not the application Mar 11 12:12:20 why? Mar 11 12:12:33 attempt* Mar 11 12:12:54 in SSH, that is Mar 11 12:13:04 N900 is the client Mar 11 12:13:30 wait Mar 11 12:13:37 you connect from maemo to other linux Mar 11 12:13:41 dangergrrl, hehe... I wouldn't call that internationally since it's all the EU... Mar 11 12:13:44 with ssh -X Mar 11 12:14:03 then get the application on your n900 screen Mar 11 12:14:10 then type? Mar 11 12:14:27 ruskie: no, shipped into the usa from the eu Mar 11 12:14:32 dangergrrl, ahh Mar 11 12:14:32 so, in Europe price numbers are the same, but in euros? Mar 11 12:14:43 naemo, yes... due to import duty and VAT Mar 11 12:14:54 naemo, iirc most US online retailers show prices tax free Mar 11 12:14:54 this was back in the 1990s, i used to order hydergine, piracetam, and lucidril Mar 11 12:15:20 since they have per state and city taxes iirc... Mar 11 12:15:44 much of the time you do not pay sales tax online in the states Mar 11 12:15:50 though it is complex Mar 11 12:16:09 well I would assume you would need to declare it on the income tax form but don't possibly? Mar 11 12:16:13 if the company has a signifigant presence in the state you live in you are supposed to pay Mar 11 12:16:28 I thought those already need to automatically add it to the price Mar 11 12:16:39 then type? Mar 11 12:16:40 yes Mar 11 12:16:40 only if they have tyo Mar 11 12:16:57 also, everything else you said apply Mar 11 12:17:05 amazon.com should be collecting tax on orders shipped to texas because they have a furfillment center here Mar 11 12:17:08 but they do not Mar 11 12:17:12 hehe Mar 11 12:17:13 i paid no tax on my n900 Mar 11 12:17:33 http://www.youmobile.org/blogs/entry/N900-to-Get-MeeGo-1-2-Update-in-28-April-Officially-Confirmed-by-Nokia Mar 11 12:17:46 $349 with free super saver shipping Mar 11 12:17:46 note that it's through wine, other _linux_ programs works :P Mar 11 12:18:16 I ask again, maybe more luck. You know if fremantle/maemo is supposed to work from meego madde ? Mar 11 12:22:27 niala1: what do you mean by "from meego"? Mar 11 12:25:56 niala1: ah, don't know Mar 11 12:26:27 niala1: I know there's a project maemo-qemu and it is possible to run maemo on qemu now Mar 11 12:27:12 i mean on meego netbook. Mar 11 12:27:19 mad-admin create -f fremantle-pr13 Mar 11 12:27:19 Can not find '/usr/lib/madde/linux-i686/cache/fremantle-arm-sysroot-20.2010.36-2-slim.tar.gz' -- no such file. Mar 11 12:28:00 but he appear in 'mad-admin list' command Mar 11 12:28:27 apparently you need to install something else or just add that file? Mar 11 12:29:37 add that file i think. Mar 11 12:29:56 and maybe other after this Mar 11 12:36:31 niala1: sorry, didn't run madde at all Mar 11 12:37:10 I compile righ on device always Mar 11 12:43:42 ok, pyradio is just somehow broken for me today, pandora works fine in the browser Mar 11 12:43:52 naemo: on n900 ? 10x more time? Mar 11 12:45:11 British Scientists strike again: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/11/balanced_journalism/ Mar 11 12:45:46 Wait, no, Ohio Scientists this time Mar 11 12:58:46 shit. is there some cryptic browser gesture that causes spontaneous page reload? I see it happening quite frequently. Mar 11 12:59:58 Ark: Probably just deciding to reflow the page after loading some part of it Mar 11 13:00:18 Happens when the page has showed up but has not yet loaded fully Mar 11 13:01:47 damn sucks Mar 11 13:02:03 it resets all form contents and page position Mar 11 13:37:11 how do you turn N900 back on if you hold down the power button? Mar 11 13:37:22 besides waiting 60 seconds? Mar 11 13:37:30 it doesnt take 60 seconds? Mar 11 13:37:41 usually i have to wait like 10-15 seconds and then it will reboot again Mar 11 13:37:51 i guess you could hack the power button behaviour somehowq Mar 11 13:38:08 'off' is not off Mar 11 13:38:18 'off' is shutting down, like any other linux box Mar 11 13:38:23 aye Mar 11 13:38:33 thats still off Mar 11 13:38:34 In principle, you could restart faster by popping the batery Mar 11 13:38:36 this is a bad idea Mar 11 13:38:37 shutting down is going off Mar 11 13:38:41 but this is semantics>_> Mar 11 13:39:03 60s seems like an awful long time Mar 11 13:40:07 For me, it's ~25s from 'switch off' to 'LED will glow and it will boot if you press button'. Mar 11 13:40:17 Then another 30s or so till Mr Hands. Mar 11 13:40:49 aye Mar 11 13:40:56 that sounds right Mar 11 14:09:18 hi, if I'm building some package for Maemo then what goes to the "Maintainer" field? is it my name or the author of an app? Mar 11 14:09:28 you go there Mar 11 14:09:31 Your name Mar 11 14:09:36 not the author, maintainer of the package Mar 11 14:09:44 ok, thanks guys Mar 11 14:10:21 Does anyone know who is the author of this patched preenv version - http://wiki.maemo.org/Preenv/FAQ#Is_there_a_way_to_get_multitouch_working_in_Preenv ? Mar 11 14:23:32 divan: Check wikistory Mar 11 14:26:19 SpeedEvil, the author of the wiki edit maybe other person. BTW, where do I find the wikistory link for this page? Mar 11 14:26:42 Ah, found. Mar 11 14:26:47 True. Mar 11 14:27:05 also - search TMO Mar 11 14:30:27 Already did. Mar 11 14:31:06 I wonder why it's not included into preenv source tree. Why someone distribute patched libsdlpre.so in binary form? Mar 11 14:43:41 any clue why, when trying to put my N810 to soft poweroff (after enabling it, of course), the screen goes off and then on again, and then stays on (until it times out at least) - but is unresponsive until i press the power button again? Mar 11 14:57:33 also, what difference does it make to set the wifi to stay on or off during soft-poweroff? i mean, it doesn't seem to respond to SIP calls anyway even if it's left on Mar 11 15:01:23 how does uboot starts? - hex - Mar 11 15:01:25 soft-off, as the name suggests, is stopping a lot of processes, for sure SIP. Anyway when you're messing with this configfile you might have noticed the "update while softoff" (OWTTE) setting, for which it helps a lot to be online Mar 11 15:04:29 sid: please rephrase Mar 11 15:05:06 DocScrutinizer: no i haven't noticed that one... i edited /etc/systemui/systemui.xml and /etc/mce/mce.ini so far. does that mean the phone will update packages automatically while in soft-off mode? Mar 11 15:06:33 N810 isn't a phone, so I gather you ask if there's a difference regarding that between N810 and N900 - I dunno, I never tested that, just seen it in fremantle/N900 mce.ini IIRC Mar 11 15:07:29 ah no actually i don't know anything at all about the N900, i'm only really concerned about the N810 Mar 11 15:07:53 DocScrutinizer: but anyway - is what you're saying that, on the N900, one reason you may want to keep wifi *on* even in softoff mode is this OWTTE setting? Mar 11 15:08:13 ~owtte Mar 11 15:08:27 ~wtf owtte Mar 11 15:08:29 Gee... I don't know what owtte means... Mar 11 15:08:38 ~useless Mar 11 15:08:39 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :( Mar 11 15:08:48 or words to the effect Mar 11 15:09:00 DocScrutinizer: i googled it on site:maemo.org but didn't find very much :( Mar 11 15:09:02 ~OWTTE is or words to the effect Mar 11 15:09:03 okay, DocScrutinizer Mar 11 15:09:38 LjL: anyway yes, that's my take on those settings as seen on N900 mce.ini Mar 11 15:09:43 is uboot offset from 6c 87 00 or 62 6f 74 61 from kernel - like 1f 8b 08 for gzip Mar 11 15:10:29 duh Mar 11 15:10:31 DocScrutinizer: so if i might ask for an uneducated opinion, given that the N810 doesn't *seem* to have this (i'll look better), and SIP (and email, and i guess IM, but i haven't tried IM) all go down during softoff, then there's no point leaving wifi on? Mar 11 15:11:05 prolly not, maybe except sshd Mar 11 15:11:54 one annoying thing, though, is that if i set wifi to go off, then i have to bring it out of offline mode manually... even though i thought i set mce.ini so it should come out of it automatically :\ Mar 11 15:13:09 that's strange, but what is softpff worth for anyway when no conection path to the device left operational Mar 11 15:14:20 DocScrutinizer: well, it's faster to go back from than full poweroff Mar 11 15:14:21 sid: you probably better ask in #meego-arm, I think the uboot maintainer is over there Mar 11 15:14:51 DocScrutinizer: and also, i've heard that rebooting (or poweroff+on) results in quite a lot of battery drain (and my battery indicator seems to confirm that) Mar 11 15:15:37 however softoff is no way like a real off, more like a normal screenlock, regarding power consumption Mar 11 15:16:20 Random interested aside: What's that usual desk dictionary in the UK? Mar 11 15:16:23 DocScrutinizer: hm, i see... well, it still could be nice as an easy-to-trigger "night mode", if wifi is off Mar 11 15:16:27 that's probably why it's been "banned" from normal UX Mar 11 15:17:05 DocScrutinizer: i think it also shouldn't run the risk of some rogue program that's been left on eating the battery Mar 11 15:17:09 GAN900: eeh? Hornby? Mar 11 15:17:25 Hornby? Never heard of 'em. Mar 11 15:18:05 Y.X.Hornby "complete dictionary of modern oxford english" or sth like that Mar 11 15:18:59 LjL: sounds reasonable to make a usecase out of that Mar 11 15:19:11 i'm still mystified by whatever software configuration i had when i was sold this device Mar 11 15:19:17 Webster's is the usual here by a large margin. Followed by American Heritage, Oxford, etc. Mar 11 15:19:28 the seller claimed he had reflashed it with the same official image i've flashed it with, but... it behaved differently Mar 11 15:19:46 miriam webster's - oh yeah Mar 11 15:19:51 it had soft-off already available, and the LED didn't blink when it was triggered (or when the screen was off, for that matter), and other little things i don't remember Mar 11 15:20:56 LjL: this all sounds like he reflashed the rootfs but restored several user settings Mar 11 15:21:43 when you restore user settings, does that include even things like /etc/systemui/systemui.xml? Mar 11 15:21:57 usually not I'd say Mar 11 15:22:07 oh, one thing it did that i don't even know how to reproduce is that it showed a confirmation dialog before shutting down Mar 11 15:22:26 weird Mar 11 15:23:16 you shaould ask the diablo hackers about it - I'm a mere user of stock diablo. No idea what hacks were common Mar 11 15:24:04 I guess ShadowJK, javispedro, dunno who else would know a lot more about it Mar 11 15:24:29 GAN900: diablo? Mar 11 15:24:56 Whatever I can remember. Mar 11 15:25:15 [2011-03-11 16:17:37] the seller claimed he had reflashed it with the same official image i've flashed it with, but... it behaved differently Mar 11 15:25:18 ff Mar 11 15:25:35 LjL, no, stuff like that is not included. Mar 11 15:26:18 systemui.xml and mce.ini are the two files responsible for those behaviors. Mar 11 15:26:25 that's why it's a damn mystery to me :P Mar 11 15:26:39 GAN900: maybe the prev owner had some hacker's edition or sth? Mar 11 15:26:43 Should still be documented on the wiki. Mar 11 15:26:48 and confused the images? Mar 11 15:27:02 Hmm, well, I don't know of any image with that stuff out of the box. Mar 11 15:27:11 he gave me a windows exe he said was the one he used to flash Mar 11 15:27:21 i flashed using it, to test, but got nothing like that Mar 11 15:27:23 Maybe he included some friendly hacks? Mar 11 15:27:27 just a standard latest-diablo install Mar 11 15:27:36 GAN900: i asked specifically, but he said no Mar 11 15:27:51 unless it was some program i installed without realizing, but i can't imagine which Mar 11 15:28:03 i was thinking advanced power manager for a while Mar 11 15:28:09 I guess he didn't flash, and wasn't like admitting it Mar 11 15:28:19 maybe Mar 11 15:28:31 it's not like i was trying to blame him for not flashing though, i was just curious =) Mar 11 15:29:45 see, he sold the device - means he stopped using it on a regular basis some months ago. Maybe he forgot what a real flashing involves Mar 11 15:30:36 oh well Mar 11 15:30:43 quite easily he might have "flashed" the MyDocs data only - though I gather that's not even supported on diablo Mar 11 15:31:00 i'm grateful to him for selling a device in such perfect physical conditions, and with *three* batteries included, anyway =) Mar 11 15:31:16 :-D Mar 11 15:34:38 No Mar 11 15:34:51 Only flash NAND Mar 11 15:37:30 Hello i discover a strange problem with acces to /var/tmp with microb firefox gpoddder and progrfam manger Mar 11 15:37:36 LjL: whatever it's been, a nice diskimage might have saved it for later forensics Mar 11 15:37:40 anbody ayny hintgs Mar 11 15:37:43 object_class->dispose <-- is this called when the object is destroyed? Mar 11 15:37:50 in this case, the status menu Mar 11 15:38:08 strange problem? Mar 11 15:38:22 ~ask Mar 11 15:38:22 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Mar 11 15:38:54 yeds i need to ereboot in order to get them working again Mar 11 15:41:06 disk full? Mar 11 15:41:19 nonope Mar 11 15:41:25 df -h /var/tmp Mar 11 15:41:51 Jaffa, how much of a hassle is pushing to the 'pad on Saturdays? Mar 11 15:45:06 apropos diskimage (on a system where you can't easily umount the / ;-D ) - if I'd go for "killall -stop *; cp -x / /foo; killall -cont *", what would you suggest to do to inprove that sketched scheme? exempt bme (and of course own process;-P) from the SIGSTOP? sync? Anything else? Mar 11 15:46:58 (yes I know ther are most likely way better approaches, like doing that e.g. in softoff, or in bootmenu, or whatever. Just a bit of brainjogging) Mar 11 15:49:54 I'm afraid there's a lot of processes I wouldn't want to stop, not to freeze the copy task. Like e.g. X, maybe xterm, own shell, ... Mar 11 15:49:57 who is here against their will? Mar 11 15:50:06 MEEEE Mar 11 15:50:14 ;-D Mar 11 15:53:21 Ever seen A Clockword Orange? Mar 11 15:53:47 meh, screw X, even own xterm, as long as you don't want progress indicators :-) Mar 11 15:54:18 71% of rootfs free Mar 11 15:54:36 GAN900: your provider has a new eyecatcher at his shop? Mar 11 15:54:45 GAN900: Not much of a hassle, as long as I do it. Mar 11 15:55:19 Jaffa, made things a lot easier for me last time. Mar 11 15:56:39 ok i'm coming back later from home have to leave bye Mar 11 15:56:49 Hey people. I wish to apply for Maemo in the upcoming GSoC. I would like to know what level of experience is required, and what are the concepts I should get myself upto speed with, before trying to apply. Mar 11 15:57:16 * DocScrutinizer envisions Orange has a n analog clock at their shops, where the hands are "Orange" for the large hand and maybe "t-mo" for the hours hand Mar 11 15:58:01 * DocScrutinizer runs to (R) this Mar 11 15:59:14 GAN900: Will do tomorrow. Mar 11 15:59:14 oops s/large/big/ Mar 11 16:01:50 if i would like to start an widget via xterm, what should i do? :) Mar 11 16:01:52 Jaffa, thanks. Mar 11 16:02:14 Are we participating in GSoC this year? Mar 11 16:03:01 Cor-Ai: oufff. AIUI widgets are started as child processes (*.so) of hildon-desktop. No way to start such a thing like a normal process I guess Mar 11 16:04:29 DocScrutinizer: hmm.. I was afraid that would be the answer :/ well well, ty any way! :D Mar 11 16:04:59 DocScrutinizer, child processes? Mar 11 16:05:04 a .so is inprocess Mar 11 16:05:10 Cor-Ai: the method would mean to add the widget to wherever the list of hildon desktop widgets got stored, the kill hildon-desktop which amazingly enough will restart it without much impact on running apps Mar 11 16:05:13 runtime linkning Mar 11 16:05:24 lcuk: yesyes Mar 11 16:07:10 DocScrutinizer: ahh, well will have to live with hildon freezing 1-2 times a day (iknow that i can restart hildon but the widgets dosen't always load!) Mar 11 16:07:46 that's exactly because of this rether kinky method to start widgets Mar 11 16:07:58 lcuk: Of course, a .so could be written that talks to another process via some defined interface, allowing userspace widgets... :-) Mar 11 16:08:12 if one widget doesn't behave, it kills all those coming after it Mar 11 16:08:27 rather* Mar 11 16:08:59 DocScrutinizer: yeah, that's the downside. Mar 11 16:09:13 thats just.. bad programing imo :p or lazy! :p Mar 11 16:09:26 ccooke, yes of course it could Mar 11 16:09:29 poor design anyway Mar 11 16:09:34 usual mecehanisms are dbus etc Mar 11 16:09:34 Cor-Ai: memory efficient and processor efficient on an embedded system Mar 11 16:09:43 mechanisms too Mar 11 16:09:49 It's a standard practie of embedded design. Mar 11 16:09:52 ccooke: well, ok Mar 11 16:09:52 ccooke: true.. but still enoing! :p Mar 11 16:10:08 The problem is, the systems it's used on aren't really in the embedded class any more Mar 11 16:10:29 ccooke: fork and monitor Mar 11 16:10:38 DocScrutinizer: Overhead :-) Mar 11 16:10:44 well thanks for the answer, :) Mar 11 16:10:45 marginal Mar 11 16:10:57 Cor-Ai: yw Mar 11 16:11:06 DocScrutinizer: that's the problem being solved, anyway. the point is that it's not a big problem on modern designs Mar 11 16:11:19 Cor-Ai, test your system by removing half of your widgets for a couple of days Mar 11 16:11:29 if crashing stops, problem in that half you removed Mar 11 16:11:39 inverse also likely true too Mar 11 16:11:41 :) Mar 11 16:11:48 then narrow it down further Mar 11 16:11:59 lcuk: hehe im doing it :) Mar 11 16:12:04 good Mar 11 16:12:04 binary triage Mar 11 16:13:05 biage Mar 11 16:13:30 hi Mar 11 16:13:40 I gather if you got to know the exact sequence of widget startup, you can tell which one failed as it's the "first" that doesn't show up on desktop. That's not helpful for crashes after loading all of them though Mar 11 16:14:01 SpeedEvil: actually, yes :-) Mar 11 16:15:10 or "how to chop down a b-tree" Mar 11 16:16:07 DocScrutinizer: no, no. you water the b-tree Mar 11 16:48:17 george washington of the 21st century Mar 11 16:48:36 i cannot tell a lie it was i who chopped down the b-tree Mar 11 16:54:50 ewww Mar 11 17:04:07 hi guys Mar 11 17:04:17 speaking about usb-host mode Mar 11 17:04:51 the modifies have you done, are just modifies that are present in the new kernel? Mar 11 17:05:10 for example, with a patch Mar 11 17:05:14 Nice improvement in the last acceptance. Mar 11 17:05:33 alterego, for me? Mar 11 17:05:54 No, for the N900 :P Mar 11 17:05:58 deno, no, they're custom written Mar 11 17:06:07 Oh wait, wrong channel. Mar 11 17:06:16 i.e written from scratch Mar 11 17:06:27 * MohammadAG points and laughs at alterego Mar 11 17:06:56 uhm Mar 11 17:07:11 MohammadAG, cool Mar 11 17:07:22 but wait, does the new kernel support it? Mar 11 17:07:39 no idea Mar 11 17:07:47 you're free to experiment Mar 11 17:07:53 the OTG should be present in the normal kernel or I mean, Mar 11 17:08:00 without the Nokia patches Mar 11 17:09:26 umm, what? Mar 11 17:09:34 OTG is present in all kernels with musb_core Mar 11 17:09:45 but the N900 lacks OTG support on the hardware level Mar 11 17:09:59 uhm Mar 11 17:10:16 * deno think mode Mar 11 17:11:03 what do you mean at HW level? Mar 11 17:11:16 game controller for Nokia N8 http://twitpic.com/3bewqb Mar 11 17:12:09 deno, I mean the N900 doesn't and won't support OTG on the HW level, it lacks the pin required to do auto switching and the port isn't compaitible Mar 11 17:13:20 MohammadAG, are you speaking about the usb controller, that the HW is different from other usb controller Mar 11 17:13:42 no, I'm taking about the hardware, the USB port Mar 11 17:14:41 ok Mar 11 17:15:16 I don't know if you rimember me, we spoken also other times Mar 11 17:15:49 i'm trying to get high bandwidth isochronous transfers working on N900 Mar 11 17:16:03 I remember :p Mar 11 17:16:40 :D Mar 11 17:16:51 now I succeed to get packets Mar 11 17:17:08 the first packets of every frame are ok Mar 11 17:17:22 I can see something but after it's all wrong :P Mar 11 17:17:38 so I think there are still problems in the kernel Mar 11 17:17:52 even if I added all the highbandwidth support Mar 11 17:18:27 I saw that there is a new patch that should increase the performance Mar 11 17:18:56 but it's for a very very recent kernel so it's a mess to apply it manually because there are too many dependencies Mar 11 17:19:02 TI have an omap forum on their site. Mar 11 17:19:08 Maybe worth an ask? Mar 11 17:19:11 TI? Mar 11 17:19:43 I spoke with one guy and they said me to apply this patch Mar 11 17:19:59 I was thinking to use a new kernel but you said me before that it's a mess because of the Nokia patches Mar 11 17:20:52 I was told that maybe I could use the new kernel and after use the omap2plus_defconfig Mar 11 17:21:16 there's specific support for nokia n810 Mar 11 17:21:56 do you kwow if someone have tried a new kernel with the n900 (using Maemo, not meego) Mar 11 17:22:38 because my idea was to use a new kernel and after maybe apply your OTG support Mar 11 17:38:49 we don't have OTG support. We support generic hostmode though (sorry for getting anal here) Mar 11 17:39:32 yep Mar 11 17:39:44 k Mar 11 17:50:58 deno: IIRC I told you about the comments in musb_core source stating there are missing bits for bandwidth mgmt et al, origining to mentorgraphix or TI. I also metioned the upstream patches and we can't use them with a new kernel as maemo closed blobs lock us down to .28 /sys and others Mar 11 17:51:30 uhm Mar 11 17:52:21 DocScrutinizer, yes there were high bandwidth problems but with some patches they should be ok Mar 11 17:52:34 so only feasible way is to backport the upstream patches, which will be much appreciated if someone does it and I'm willing to include that to h-e-n and propagate to PK Mar 11 17:52:47 uhm Mar 11 17:52:59 yes I made a backport Mar 11 17:53:04 for some patches Mar 11 17:53:24 but it is still not working properly Mar 11 17:53:51 if I succeed I will share all with the community for sure :) Mar 11 17:55:09 DocScrutinizer, do you think it's really impossible to make the n900 boot with an update kernel Mar 11 17:55:19 I don't mind about the other functionalities Mar 11 17:55:43 I care (in this case) just about the usb so Mar 11 17:56:25 some subsystems will fail. No idea which ones Mar 11 17:56:33 uhm ok Mar 11 17:56:43 e.g. bme, mce, dsme... Mar 11 17:57:00 also related to usb? Mar 11 17:57:48 unclear Mar 11 17:58:28 k Mar 11 17:58:34 the best thing is to try it :P Mar 11 17:58:39 I ll let you know Mar 11 17:59:01 if the system bootloops then probably usb hostmode is useless anyway :-) Mar 11 17:59:29 ah Mar 11 17:59:35 right, one thing Mar 11 17:59:40 meego uses new kernels Mar 11 17:59:42 but I'm very interested in real world results Mar 11 17:59:57 shouldn't it be possible to use h-e-n patches (modified) for it ? Mar 11 17:59:59 I hate that stupid shop! Mar 11 18:00:09 Mar 11 18:00:20 afternoon, gentlemen. Mar 11 18:00:21 I got an offer for N900 for 2500NOK I think if I put my charm on I could get it for 2000, good deal? Mar 11 18:00:28 deno: basivally h-e-n patches should work on meego as well Mar 11 18:00:28 moo javispedro Mar 11 18:00:48 hi javispedro Mar 11 18:01:04 DocScrutinizer, I think they need some modifies because the kernel version is different Mar 11 18:01:55 well, see what's going to happen when you apply the hen patches Mar 11 18:02:15 yup Mar 11 18:02:23 thx for the talk :) Mar 11 18:02:29 tw Mar 11 18:02:56 if there are problems on applying hen patches to meego kernel, let me know Mar 11 18:03:24 Any known issues when using CSSU+Power kernel with Fcam? I can't get fcam to work, from testing repos Mar 11 18:03:31 When I reboot I just don't have any /dev/video* devices at all Mar 11 18:03:53 DocScrutinizer, ok :) Mar 11 18:16:12 got the packages from devel, seems to work now Mar 11 18:20:26 i wonder how many Israeli guys here? Mar 11 18:20:46 DocScrutinizer, and you don't even bother to count =\ Mar 11 18:21:51 GuySoft, you, me, think that's it Mar 11 18:22:09 (re: i wonder how many Israeli guys here?) Mar 11 18:22:23 though I'm technically not an Israeli, oh well Mar 11 18:22:47 MohammadAG i think i talked with 1 or 2 guys Mar 11 18:22:59 MohammadAG, what GPS app do you use? Mar 11 18:23:12 iOS one Mar 11 18:23:30 *burp* Mar 11 18:23:52 Google has the API for Israel maps blocked, why should I bother Mar 11 18:24:18 only google.com (not the mobile one fyi) and iOS can show our maps Mar 11 18:25:13 MohammadAG, yeah i was wondering why some nice google maps apps for maemos using gogole are just white for me =) Mar 11 18:25:40 heh, zoom out, you'll see some lines Mar 11 18:25:43 MohammadAG, is Waze israeli startup? and is it based on freeroad? Mar 11 18:25:50 hmm? Mar 11 18:28:40 MohammadAG, it's not about zoom out asin browser it works, at hybrid maps it works but layers map it doesn't or how you call them Mar 11 18:28:59 what's that thing about all the google shit? I even feel unhappy about google search, and our *government* ponders to forbid google or whatever, to break their defacto monopoly. The rest of the world starts whining if they can't use gmail, gtalk, gmaps, gcraprandom. I just can repeat: I hate g*, this applies for gnome as well as google Mar 11 18:28:59 yeah I know Mar 11 18:29:19 but you can see some lines, for whatever reason they're there Mar 11 18:29:34 MohammadAG check out GeePS it's white Mar 11 18:29:35 DocScrutinizer, google doesn't show israeli maps on API Mar 11 18:29:41 yes ^ Mar 11 18:29:41 anybody from belgium? Mar 11 18:29:42 fine! Mar 11 18:29:49 DocScrutinizer political things Mar 11 18:30:05 they don't want MohammadAG to blow up strategic things Mar 11 18:30:20 so one reason more to not use google-crap and look for better alternatives that don't eat your soul Mar 11 18:30:32 there is no other crap :) Mar 11 18:30:36 ZogG: Is he going to do it via Google? Mar 11 18:30:51 DocScrutinizer, last time google tryed to take maps with SAT of Dimona they army just made it see huge black spot =) Mar 11 18:30:52 http://tomch.com/maemaps.html browse to Israel if you want to see what I mean Mar 11 18:31:00 ZogG: Is there a magical HTTPrequest I can send to google servers to blow things??? =) Mar 11 18:31:07 Can I have it? Can I? CAN I? Mar 11 18:31:44 DocScrutinizer, nope cause of security situation there are only 4 maps of israel Mar 11 18:31:53 waze and openmap is community Mar 11 18:31:56 yes, send anything sour Mar 11 18:31:59 goole maps Mar 11 18:32:26 and one that got goverment permission but and sells them to companies like iGo and so on Mar 11 18:32:50 Waze is pretty aweome Mar 11 18:32:54 awesome though Mar 11 18:33:03 4 maps only! Mar 11 18:33:08 do people just crowd around them? Mar 11 18:33:09 RST38h, i don't get it why you don't use it in Russia Mar 11 18:33:25 lcuk i mean digital ones Mar 11 18:33:25 * RST38h checks .IL map on maps.google.com: looks ok, but pretty gray and sad Mar 11 18:33:38 Why do you need a map anyway? It appears to be mostly sand! Mar 11 18:33:40 maps.google.com work Mar 11 18:33:47 works* Mar 11 18:33:47 ZogG, you do know you can make more digital copies Mar 11 18:33:56 so there can be many more than just 4 Mar 11 18:34:04 lcuk ? Mar 11 18:34:36 RST38h the the holy sites where Jesus was killed and suffer =) Mar 11 18:34:42 * MohammadAG starts pondering what to study Mar 11 18:34:58 and more importantly; where Mar 11 18:35:02 no offense for religious people, just joking (didn't think 1st if there are any here) Mar 11 18:35:06 ZogG: Ok, but why repeat his career path? =) Mar 11 18:35:17 Mohammad: CS. Mar 11 18:35:44 MohammadAG, anyway i was lurking in waze code, i think it's pretty much portable to maemo, even found something mention Qt and GTK there Mar 11 18:35:58 RST38h, was thinking CS and EE, wondering if the jobs offers for those are good though Mar 11 18:36:09 Mohammad: they are Mar 11 18:36:18 EE part would be to go head on with DocScrutinizer to see whose N900 explodes faster Mar 11 18:36:30 most libs are linux ones and it's same opengl for android as for maemo Mar 11 18:36:33 Mohammad: would go with CS though, with EE as a possible minor (if applicableand if you can stay thecourse load) Mar 11 18:36:47 MohammadAG EE? Mar 11 18:36:53 MohammadAG, go to Tehnion Mar 11 18:36:54 Electrical Engineering Mar 11 18:37:00 Technion? Mar 11 18:37:07 or go to Afeka in Tel-Aviv Mar 11 18:37:08 EE is a really useful thing to know, but CS gets more use nowadays Mar 11 18:37:17 Isn't the hebrew uni good? Mar 11 18:37:32 MohammadAG, my friend just finished in Afeka EE and he is working for Intel now =) Mar 11 18:38:01 though I probably need Psechometry or whatever it's called right ZogG? Mar 11 18:38:11 MohammadAG hebrew is the best for programming as far as i know, but anyway you finish Technion you get any job you desire(if you finish well) Mar 11 18:38:21 MohammadAG, yes you do Mar 11 18:38:57 ZogG, for some reason, I don't plan on working here :P Mar 11 18:38:57 MohammadAG, but you said you don't know any hebrew Mar 11 18:39:13 MohammadAG, haha, true Mar 11 18:39:14 that can change Mar 11 18:39:37 but you can start here with international company and easily move on Mar 11 18:39:52 If you do not intend to work in .IL, why study in .IL? Mar 11 18:40:05 You can go to Europe or US Mar 11 18:40:28 US -> I'd need to pass the SAT Mar 11 18:41:00 MohammadAG, US? meh, europe ftw Mar 11 18:41:08 Mohammad: And you are afraid of a freking SAT? Mar 11 18:41:26 RST38h, no, I'm actually considering it more than learning Hebrew and studying in a language I hate Mar 11 18:41:32 no offense ZogG :P Mar 11 18:41:43 MohammadAG none taken Mar 11 18:41:49 Mohammad: azohenvei Mar 11 18:41:50 you're russian anyway Mar 11 18:42:06 azohe what? Mar 11 18:42:11 Mohammad: never mind Mar 11 18:42:30 :p Mar 11 18:42:59 Mohammad: Andrew Tannenbaum is teaching in .NL BTW Mar 11 18:43:33 Mohammad: Not sure if he is teaching a specific class on effective trolling of Linux kernel developers though Mar 11 18:43:34 RST38h, I might know the nick, who's he? Mar 11 18:43:42 Mohammad: MINIX author Mar 11 18:43:44 lol Mar 11 18:43:57 Mohammad: The guy who forever changed Linus' life :) Mar 11 18:44:29 Also authored some pretty damn good books on Computer Systems Mar 11 18:44:48 positively? :P Mar 11 18:44:54 so, what do you do when some mac head sends you a dvd image... in a .dmg????? Mar 11 18:45:25 Mohammad: I am afraid not. Mar 11 18:46:02 Mohammad: But it is the modulus that counts Mar 11 18:46:02 javispedro, if you use linux it's not a problem Mar 11 18:46:21 ZogG: you can bet I'm using Linux and so far it's been an insourmountable problem. Mar 11 18:46:44 "file" says something along the lines of "VAX executable" Mar 11 18:46:58 mount -t hfs -o loop myImage.dmg /macdisk Mar 11 18:47:09 it is ISO9660 cdrom Mar 11 18:47:10 well Mar 11 18:47:13 or so I think... Mar 11 18:47:16 Mohammad: There is a bunch of good schools in the US too =) Mar 11 18:47:56 And as you appear to know English already, it shouldn't be a problem Mar 11 18:47:59 javispedro, print out data using 72point font and fedex it back to him Mar 11 18:48:28 javispedro file myImage.dmg Mar 11 18:48:35 ZogG: "VAX executable" Mar 11 18:48:42 RST38h, I use google translate :P Mar 11 18:48:43 lcuk: I am considering going there and killing him. Mar 11 18:49:02 specially since another transfer will not be possible until past weekend... Mar 11 18:49:06 that is a bit OTT considering it is only a bit of data Mar 11 18:49:17 You would like to kill a VAX? Mar 11 18:49:21 what is on the dvd? Mar 11 18:49:28 good point Mar 11 18:49:36 Doesn'tthat count as hunting endangered species? Mar 11 18:49:38 * javispedro goes search some recovery tool Mar 11 18:50:46 javispedro, hmm one of forum suggest to renaim to bz2 and trying to unpack it and than renaim file inside to .hfs and using hfsplus Mar 11 18:51:11 but I guess it would have some kind of bz2 header then.. Mar 11 18:51:46 isn't there an undAmAge tool anywhere? Mar 11 18:52:13 javispedro, http://ubuntuforums.org/showthread.php?t=1155734 Mar 11 18:52:44 javispedro, ou’ll need to install a basic tool called dmg2img (http://vu1tur.eu.org/tools/). Mar 11 18:52:54 there is tool to convert as well Mar 11 18:52:54 okkk Mar 11 18:53:20 http://www.thelinuxblog.com/open-apple-dmg-files-on-linux/ - check this oner Mar 11 18:55:59 ok, dmg2img seems to recognize it, thanks! Mar 11 18:56:08 javispedro =) Mar 11 18:56:13 (which makes sense since it should be a dvd image..) Mar 11 18:56:54 MohammadAG, i would miss you if you leave me here alone with maemo =) Mar 11 18:57:14 * ZogG xmms2> Ace Ventura - The Light (Zen Mechanics Remix) ["Re:Boot" 2008] Mar 11 18:58:33 effective trolling of Linux kernel developers 101 :D Mar 11 18:59:41 дщд Mar 11 18:59:53 lol Mar 11 18:59:59 i think there is connection between 101 and lol Mar 11 19:01:55 RST38h, why didn't you go to meego conference btw? Mar 11 19:04:48 ZogG: Work. + none of the .FI people I know went there Mar 11 19:05:06 ZogG, hah Mar 11 19:05:32 ZogG: Or do you mean The Conference? Mar 11 19:08:22 Two .JP nuclear power plants are burning. A double feature! Mar 11 19:08:23 Hi Mar 11 19:09:47 Japan + nuclear is always a blast :P Mar 11 19:09:54 Not to mention the oil refineries, the airports... Mar 11 19:10:26 Has Godzilla come? Mar 11 19:11:45 http://grab.by/9pfJ Mar 11 19:12:19 derf: ...and Godzilla is NOT happy, judging from his face Mar 11 19:13:05 Would there be a way to trick the 4 wires touch sensor in the N900 turning arbitrary wires positive and negative (instead of having each always be either positive or negative), and measure the results, allowing the system to see the difference between a single touch and more than one? Mar 11 19:13:50 poor japan, another quake Mar 11 19:14:01 RST38h: That was from http://video.foxbusiness.com/v/4578856/mozilla-ceo-on-the-latest-version-of-firefox/?playlist_id=87063 I believe. Mar 11 19:15:05 If there was, it would allow limited dualtouch emulation, no? Mar 11 19:15:07 MohammadAG so i saw one guy said he would pay 100 $ for Waze on Maemo 5 and i have friend that actually port things between mobile platforms, so it can be double profit =) Mar 11 19:15:43 I don't do things for profit ZogG :) Mar 11 19:15:53 hi, long time i didn't use my n800; i want to recycle it to a dlna client to play mp3s in my living room through wifi. can you please suggest me which os update + which dnla client to use? Mar 11 19:16:18 def: how fortunate it is that I do not get to watch Fox... :) Mar 11 19:16:45 MohammadAG, me either, i wouldn't get money Mar 11 19:17:04 Mohammad: But look at the bright side: a few quakes like this one, and it will look exactly like in those post-apocaliptic anime flicks Mar 11 19:17:15 with tentacles? Mar 11 19:17:17 i would give money for guy who would do it, as he doesn't have maemo and he has no profit on just porting it on his free time =) Mar 11 19:17:43 ...and if those reactors rupture, there is even a chance of some furry mutant schoolgirls running around! Mar 11 19:17:59 RST38h: That sounds hawt Mar 11 19:18:40 mutant tentacles and furry schoolgirls, that's a world worth living in Mar 11 19:19:06 lol Mar 11 19:19:14 suddenly so many peopl talking ah? Mar 11 19:19:24 its Firday!! Mar 11 19:19:33 I mean Friday! Mar 11 19:19:38 Fast infrared day! Mar 11 19:21:48 Free infrared day! Mar 11 19:26:00 Free mutant japanese schoolgirls! Mar 11 19:27:23 TiagoTiago are you the one tht trolling at TMO? i think i recognize your nick Mar 11 19:27:24 With every purchase? Mar 11 19:27:44 Trolling? Mar 11 19:28:52 Ah, so, it *is* melting down! Mar 11 19:28:54 TiagoTiago: not today, japan is having problems Mar 11 19:29:31 the problems are what are gonna create them :P Mar 11 19:29:40 "having problems"? Mar 11 19:30:30 HAH! http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.public/joerg900.10099?sort=0 Mar 11 19:31:18 what's that? Mar 11 19:31:55 Is that a striped down N900? Mar 11 19:32:03 a half N900 Mar 11 19:32:09 i see Mar 11 19:32:34 RST38h: not yet, but likely Mar 11 19:32:36 He has killed an N900! And mounted its corpse! Mar 11 19:32:57 Doc: Raising radiation levels and core pressure Mar 11 19:33:04 yep Mar 11 19:33:40 aren't nuklear power plants a cute thing? Mar 11 19:34:20 RST38h: url? Mar 11 19:34:45 well, japanese are so smart, they survived the only two warship nuclear explosions ever happening, so probably don't care much about a core meltdown Mar 11 19:34:57 javispedro: TV Mar 11 19:34:57 javispedro: looking for an English version Mar 11 19:35:02 CNN et al Mar 11 19:35:04 Worse case they just lock down the building for around a century like with some US plants or is there really the risk things gonna get messy? Mar 11 19:35:09 * javispedro types tv:// Mar 11 19:35:23 Doc: Rather "Japanese are really creative and hilarious about their nuclear disasters" Mar 11 19:35:39 (and I do not mean the sad WWII stuff) Mar 11 19:35:48 lol Mar 11 19:36:02 RST38h: that's been the subtext of my last post Mar 11 19:36:28 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9t-GXKFA4M - looks neat Mar 11 19:36:35 javispedro: http://www.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear/ Mar 11 19:37:52 ah, they got warning Mar 11 19:38:07 worst that happens is that the plant gets ruined, then. Mar 11 19:39:35 well, worst that happens is that the whole down-wind area around the plant is ruined Mar 11 19:39:55 that is very pessimist for a modern plant.. Mar 11 19:40:16 javispedro: afaik, there are no modern nuclear plants, most were built a while ago Mar 11 19:40:16 Don't they build those plants to hold the nuke blast inside? Mar 11 19:40:29 Thiago: sorry, what nuke blast? Mar 11 19:40:48 the nuclear explosion when the core goes critical Mar 11 19:40:54 no way. Mar 11 19:40:59 Tiago:there is no nuclear explosion Mar 11 19:41:39 I thought that was what happened when they can't control the reaction Mar 11 19:41:41 Tiago: just a normal heat explosion, usually from the steam of whatever circulates in the heat exchanger Mar 11 19:43:12 anyway there's no building to hold those energies back Mar 11 19:43:30 So all they have to deal with is sudden expansion of radioactive steam? That doesn't sound all that hard todeal with if you build the whole place with the worse case scenario in mind Mar 11 19:43:34 they consider to vent the containment to lower the pressure now :-S Mar 11 19:44:00 emergency cooling is powered by *batteries* which will deplete in a few hours Mar 11 19:44:00 Ah cool Mar 11 19:44:11 batteries? =) Mar 11 19:44:15 here they have gas Mar 11 19:44:22 As I said, Japanese are REALLY hilarious when it comes to nuclear disasters Mar 11 19:44:22 everything else broke Mar 11 19:44:41 For example: http://www.world-nuclear.org/info/inf37.html Mar 11 19:44:52 just build a whole underground ring around the thing, pump all the air out of it, and when things go boom just open the hatches and let the vacuum suck Mar 11 19:45:13 errr yes TiagoTiago Mar 11 19:45:15 TiagoTiago: you're already assuming the plant is ruined. so far, everything I've read tends to indicate they're still not that worried. Mar 11 19:45:46 Better to suck the radioactive steam than to vent it to the atmosphere Mar 11 19:46:29 they are venting some gas which they claim to have very low nuclear activity and is not harmful for humans/environment Mar 11 19:46:29 TiagoTiago you can nuke the plant just in case something wrong Mar 11 19:46:33 other than that its fine Mar 11 19:46:38 when a core melts it goes thru the ground no matter if that's concrete or whatever and it's anybody's guess when it will stop its journey to center of earth. Actually it'd be quite nice when it didn't stop until vanished completely :-P Mar 11 19:46:39 it would be double nuke - double win Mar 11 19:46:47 ... that what the media here is making us believe, anyway Mar 11 19:46:55 Meanwhile: http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/11/symbian-ui-overhaul-scheduled-for-the-fall/ Mar 11 19:47:01 frals, bw wanted to ask you, do you mind to implent portrait mode in fmms Mar 11 19:47:15 Doc: Not really Mar 11 19:47:23 frals: in Japan noting ever is harmful to anything Mar 11 19:47:28 or anybody Mar 11 19:47:53 RST38h looks like meego preview and android Mar 11 19:48:08 Well, except full resolution cartoon genitals Mar 11 19:48:20 i would like that music widget to be ported anyway =) Mar 11 19:48:56 RST38h haha i liked that thin applet to pull down *cough* android *cough* Mar 11 19:49:03 =) Mar 11 19:49:04 So when a core meltsdown you can turn the nucular into a geothermal plant without needing to drill anything? Mar 11 19:49:26 RST38h, but i think others people problems are morei nteresting news to people Mar 11 19:49:39 nu cu lar. Mar 11 19:49:53 indeed Mar 11 19:49:55 ZogG: Fire. Water. People at work. One can watch these three for ever and ever. Mar 11 19:50:32 RST38h, yeah especially when your ass in warm place and you can judge them that they did it wrong and could prevent it Mar 11 19:51:27 https://s3.amazonaws.com/twitpic/photos/large/256198842.jpg?AWSAccessKeyId=0ZRYP5X5F6FSMBCCSE82&Expires=1299873453&Signature=1wZtDGF%2FeXa5%2BmfWZAjRTU8HITE%3D Mar 11 19:51:43 here some japs roads are crashing for ya Mar 11 19:52:01 Kinda ironical how a powerplant is having issues with getting enough power to run itself Mar 11 19:52:08 Nah, why do you think I would want them to prevent it? Mar 11 19:53:23 Looks like a fun place to ride a downhill bike Mar 11 19:53:47 http://drugoi.livejournal.com/3507253.html#cutid1 Mar 11 19:54:59 some awesome photographies there Mar 11 19:58:08 I wish there parks designed like that half wavy road around where i live Mar 11 19:59:56 http://probablyinteractive.com/url-hunter - nice thing =) Mar 11 20:02:08 hi all Mar 11 20:03:38 that doesn't seem playable on microB :\ Mar 11 20:08:14 That tsunami footage across the farmland in Japan is unreal. Mar 11 20:08:48 absolutely Mar 11 20:09:05 not only the farmland Mar 11 20:09:51 I've seen a short clip that looked like 500 massive houses wiped away in seconds Mar 11 20:09:56 wazd i searched for you Mar 11 20:09:58 wazd i even missed you Mar 11 20:10:33 wazd слыш паренек, джаббер джид дай погонять, а? =) Mar 11 20:11:17 I saw this one that looks like this little puddle of mud and twigs oozing by, it's actually a bunch of cars, trucks, boats and assorted urban debri going around this warehouse-like building Mar 11 20:12:53 The thing was so huge that from far away it looked like it was a small very viscous mud blob Mar 11 20:15:13 hm, i gotta go now, cya Mar 11 20:17:34 tmo is already getting overexcited because of the meego developer edition news.. Mar 11 20:17:47 some lemmings already calling it "PR1.4" Mar 11 20:18:50 can someone use a nice hammer? Mar 11 20:21:37 * Arkenoi returned from meego conference Mar 11 20:21:45 ???????' Mar 11 20:21:45 atom atom atom atom atom atom atom Mar 11 20:24:50 * DocScrutinizer whispering "remember my prophecy about maemo's first class funeral with a harmattan-meego hybrid release full of borkedness and rolled out under label PR1.4" while leaving for a walk... Mar 11 20:30:15 javispedro, sorry, we moved it. You missed it. :P Mar 11 20:30:24 javispedro, planning on trying for SF? Mar 11 20:31:18 I heard good things about maemo SSU today anyway, is it time to upgrade (I need the phone to work) Mar 11 20:31:25 community SSU I should say Mar 11 20:31:38 GAN900: so far not, I will have problems at those dates (prolly new job) Mar 11 20:31:52 Where exactly can one find the community SSU? Mar 11 20:32:08 in the community. Mar 11 20:32:16 javispedro, too bad. Mar 11 20:32:18 DocScrutinizer? Mar 11 20:32:30 yeah... specially since it's on the states and it's being time I visit them =) Mar 11 20:32:42 GAN900, todays quake and stuff is awful :( Mar 11 20:33:07 korhojoa: google say http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Mar 11 20:34:44 GAN900: ?? Mar 11 20:36:07 * DocScrutinizer51 curses - FMradio app vanished Mar 11 20:37:22 DocScrutinizer51, gonna try for SF? Mar 11 20:37:44 javispedro, clearly it's time to put on your negotiator's cap with your new boss. Mar 11 20:37:52 SF is an awfully nice place to visit. Mar 11 20:38:02 NFI what u talk bout Mar 11 20:38:23 sorry walkimg Mar 11 20:39:17 DocScrutinizer51: there's a meego conference in san francisco Mar 11 20:39:18 in few months Mar 11 20:39:24 I'd love to visit SF, alas no ticket no money Mar 11 20:40:43 DocScrutinizer51, sponsorship? Mar 11 20:40:57 :) welcome Mar 11 20:41:43 vme wonders if IPradio would be better than installing FMrx via 3G Mar 11 20:42:33 DocScrutinizer51: have you tried my app? Mar 11 20:42:42 IPradio isn't really that good if you've got a flaky connection Mar 11 20:42:43 DocScrutinizer51: cfmradio, package should be less than 150KiB with no deps Mar 11 20:45:25 ** downloading 855.xKB..... insatllation of FM radio not possible :-( Mar 11 20:46:10 your PR1.2->CSSU->PR1.3 setup is really broken ;) Mar 11 20:46:21 :D Mar 11 20:50:25 CSSU->PR1.3? did you "revert" again? Mar 11 20:58:59 DocScrutinizer51, at least make sure you register and apply. Mar 11 21:00:38 of all places, SF heh Mar 11 21:01:02 tickets cost at least $1400 to SF, I'll pass :) Mar 11 21:02:39 I wonder if my mediaplayer would run on MeeGo... Mar 11 21:02:50 should just need mafw recompiled I guess Mar 11 21:03:59 http://www.wistv.com/Global/story.asp?S=14007892 Teen killed after stowing away in the wheel-well of a Boeing 737. Parents sue airport. Mar 11 21:04:14 I was going to see if anyone survived such a stunt Mar 11 21:04:35 found the icon that vanished from apmefo. FMrx somehow works but no audio Mar 11 21:04:44 silent? Mar 11 21:05:11 btw HAM log says "error on overwriting FMrx.desktop" Mar 11 21:05:13 heh, stock mediaplayer is tricky Mar 11 21:05:22 it doesn't update the UI when it isn't visible Mar 11 21:05:35 but it detects when you're in the task manager Mar 11 21:05:47 mohammed, how you know? Mar 11 21:05:51 I wasn't even sure if that was possible Mar 11 21:06:01 dbus-monitor --session is the easiest way Mar 11 21:06:14 if you're in terminal, you'll get nothing Mar 11 21:06:27 go out of terminal, you'll see new lines calling get_position every 1s Mar 11 21:06:59 funny as now I just remembered in PR1.0 the progress bar never updated in the task manager Mar 11 21:07:05 * MohammadAG wonders how they did it Mar 11 21:07:55 mafw is kind of good Mar 11 21:08:02 stock player makes it suck Mar 11 21:17:56 MohammadAG, APPLY for SPONSORSHIP! :) Mar 11 21:18:48 MohammadAG, if you don't get it I'll have lost all faith in the project and its directors. :) Mar 11 21:21:09 SpeedEvil, I'm calling you out, too. :P Mar 11 21:43:16 damn i forgot AC of laptop at home Mar 11 21:44:16 wazd: sup Mar 11 21:44:23 here at work already Mar 11 21:49:15 GAN900: to get sponsorship for any meego conf I guess I need to pollish my image of my attitude toward meego ;-) Mar 11 21:50:03 DocScrutinizer51, not necessarily. But putting words into action would probably be recommended. Mar 11 21:50:19 In fact, I should probably say: Not at all. Mar 11 21:50:26 But action does talk. Mar 11 21:52:59 what action are you thinkin of? Mar 11 21:58:21 gan! Mar 11 21:58:34 GAN900: do spill about the n950? when when when? Mar 11 22:00:23 heh Mar 11 22:03:50 GAN900, :) Mar 11 22:04:15 tybollt, no idea. Mar 11 22:04:45 javispedro: which app of yours? Mar 11 22:04:47 chrome on windows + web freenode = terrible fonts Mar 11 22:05:01 i forgot AC adapter for laptop at home, now i would kill myself Mar 11 22:05:10 DocScrutinizer51: don't try to stop me Mar 11 22:05:14 DocScrutinizer51, nothing particularly grueling, but, as Stskeeps is so fond of refraining: Dive in and get to work on what bothers you. Mar 11 22:05:28 DocScrutinizer51: "cfmradio", "C FM Radio" Mar 11 22:05:59 tybollt, 6 months out of anything even remotely resembling that hook-in. ;) Mar 11 22:06:02 DocScrutinizer51: it's on extras-testing. Mar 11 22:06:39 aah Mar 11 22:06:53 btw audio works after a restart now Mar 11 22:08:27 javispedro: I'll give that a try when I'm back home. this app now is really borked in some ways Mar 11 22:08:42 hm Mar 11 22:08:54 reflash! Mar 11 22:08:55 :p Mar 11 22:08:59 well the reason I've not pushed mine to extras yet is because I fear some weird interactions with phone calls when using it Mar 11 22:09:12 and I don't want to repeat the initial fmradio fiasco.. Mar 11 22:09:18 use libplayback Mar 11 22:09:41 or listen to /com/nokia/csd Mar 11 22:09:57 I know that; however grimme did listen for lots of extra notifications Mar 11 22:10:25 errr Mar 11 22:10:27 I do not want to extend my tentacles all over the system for such a simple function, so I'm trying to decide what is the requisite minimum Mar 11 22:10:29 i still don't get one thing though Mar 11 22:10:43 how does the stock mediaplayer sound a beep instead of full sounds Mar 11 22:10:50 "sound a beep"? Mar 11 22:10:51 but mine doesn't Mar 11 22:10:58 even though they're both using mafw Mar 11 22:11:10 javispedro: you'll have to update my memory about those fmradio issues with calls - when I'm back home Mar 11 22:11:11 javispedro, when you get a notification while music's playing Mar 11 22:11:20 you get a beep instead of the ringing tone Mar 11 22:11:31 that is probably our little ohmd friend. Mar 11 22:11:53 you can't emulate the same behaviour on mohammediaplayer? Mar 11 22:12:06 not with mafw, there's something else Mar 11 22:12:12 oh, oh. Mar 11 22:12:13 funny. Mar 11 22:12:30 the only other source I know for metadata would be libplayback. Mar 11 22:12:49 i mean, you can even resume playback without the stock mediaplayer (dbus magic), and sound would still not turn to beeps Mar 11 22:13:08 so it's obviously a bug in mafw, that was "fixed" in mediaplayer Mar 11 22:13:23 hum, weird. Mar 11 22:13:37 does your app get muted when a notification arrives? Mar 11 22:14:11 yes Mar 11 22:14:57 technically it's not mine, it's mafw-gst-renderer Mar 11 22:15:06 * javispedro was going to write "fully assimilated community members" Mar 11 22:15:24 wrong choice of words I guess. Mar 11 22:15:42 javispedro: GSoC - everything going fine, or can I help somehow? (deadline in 45min) Mar 11 22:15:56 (let's go to #meego) Mar 11 22:16:22 oops. true :) Mar 11 22:56:34 MohammadAG: ping Mar 11 23:04:53 =( Mar 11 23:20:51 uhuh, so cfmradio... Let's see Mar 11 23:24:57 quick, I'm going to play some game in few minutes... Mar 11 23:30:26 javispedro: quite funny Mar 11 23:30:42 what is funny? Mar 11 23:31:28 I started cfm, plugged then unplugged headset ->acoustic feedback speaker 2 mic, no more radio Mar 11 23:31:43 headset. Mar 11 23:31:44 ok. Mar 11 23:33:08 don't do that for the time being =), use headphones only. will fix later. Mar 11 23:33:15 cya! Mar 12 00:17:41 RST38h: pressure in turbine containment >2* ABS MAX. Venting impossible, not enough power left over to operate the valves Mar 12 00:18:54 evacuation radius extended from 3km to 10km Mar 12 00:21:17 Eeek. Mar 12 00:21:22 radiation in control room 1000* normal Mar 12 00:21:32 * SpeedEvil cues the 'brave sir Robin' song. Mar 12 00:24:27 CNN swaggers about concrete containments, enormous safeguard system in Japan's nuke plants, and about not even a core meltdown is a really severe thing, ""as you can see looking at 3 miles island"" Mar 12 00:26:03 In some ways that's right. Done right. Mar 12 00:26:48 time for 12648430 ☕ Mar 12 00:32:59 So, Japan could actually stand a core meltdown? Mar 12 00:33:44 funny Japanese can't react on events directly, as everything has to get reported up to minister of energy or whatever, and when he says "OK, throw that switch" then they can do. Then report back "switch blocked, shall we use secondary switch?" Mar 12 00:34:39 DocScrutinizer: Yeah, that is funny Mar 12 00:34:57 DocScrutinizer: Not when happening disasters etc. but otherwise. Mar 12 00:35:29 DocScrutinizer: Did you get any sources on that CNN about the plants and a core meltdown is not a severe thing? Mar 12 00:41:46 http://edition.cnn.com/2011/WORLD/asiapcf/03/11/japan.nuclear.plants.qanda/index.html?hpt=T2 Mar 12 00:44:32 DocScrutinizer: Thank you, will read it Mar 12 00:45:17 actually you shouldn't - it's directly from Siemens marketing nonsense Mar 12 00:45:20 * merlin1991 officially hates cmake in scratchbox Mar 12 00:47:28 DocScrutinizer: How do you mean? Mar 12 00:47:47 DocScrutinizer: Is there any risk of any radioactive waste landing in Europe? Mar 12 00:48:17 DrGrov: I don't agree with the generally pro-nuklear notion in that CNN article Mar 12 00:48:37 DrGrov: I think it's not objective Mar 12 00:48:57 DocScrutinizer: I see. So no risk for Europe in this case? Apparently no new Chernobyl? Mar 12 00:49:16 nobody knows Mar 12 00:49:46 Yes of course. There is always a chance that it might get into Europe as well that radioactive waste. Mar 12 00:54:38 regardless of bias, I do believe the modern japanese knows how to build safer nuclear plants than the russians were back then Mar 12 00:57:12 I'm lost atm, where do app icons and .desktop files go /usr/share/applictions/hildon and /usr/share/icons/hicolor... or the folders in /opt/maemo Mar 12 00:57:19 * DocScrutinizer is all for 1 day of downtime for every minute of delay between the moment *any* remarkable incident is happening in a nuklear power plant, and the moment this info is propagated to the authorities (at least 3 independent entities, like local fireguard, district emergency management, ministry) Mar 12 00:58:15 DocScrutinizer: there's no need to limit that to nuclear power plants though Mar 12 00:58:27 chemical industry, petrol raffineries, whatever Mar 12 00:58:30 anyone care to enlight me? Mar 12 00:58:33 true Mar 12 00:59:49 merlin1991: depends. If your icon is significantly larger than a symlink (which it regularly is), then it goes to /opt and gets symlinked from /usr/share Mar 12 01:00:30 merlin1991: at least that's my take on it Mar 12 01:01:11 Venemo: where are you from? Mar 12 01:01:18 merlin1991: don't ask me though if this auto-optification thingie is doing that for you Mar 12 01:01:34 i see you mostly at nights around here Mar 12 01:05:37 \o/ auxiliary cooling system down in a second reactor block Mar 12 01:06:21 ZogG_work: Hungary Mar 12 01:07:17 ZogG_work: and you? Mar 12 01:32:41 GAN900: I'm infected by a heretical idea - powerkernel for meego Mar 12 01:36:12 on N900-maemo we got the neutered kernel Nokia flavoured for us. On N900-meego we see a similar problem, as the meego paradigm seems still forbids a lot of desirable hacks that never will go upstream. E.G. hostmode, proper drivers for LP5523-LYSTII LED driver, LIS302 accelerometer etc Mar 12 01:38:38 DocScrutinizer: have you used the power kernel for maemo? Mar 12 01:38:44 The particular issues are quite different, almost diametrically opposite, to what we see on maemo kernel. Still the overall rationale justifying a powerkernel feels similar Mar 12 01:39:13 erstazi: well, I'm supposed to, don't you think? :-D Mar 12 01:39:19 DocScrutinizer: haha Mar 12 01:39:22 DocScrutinizer: joshing you Mar 12 01:39:29 at very least to check if h-e-n got properly integrated Mar 12 01:40:21 * merlin1991 applied for extras-devel upload rights :) Mar 12 01:44:55 Venemo: Israel Mar 12 01:45:42 Venemo: wanted to ask, if i have static int func, where do i anounce it in class in *.h file ? Mar 12 01:46:05 DocScrutinizer: oh and you too here, do you ever sleep guys? Mar 12 01:47:58 nah, I can't. every 30 min some fool is highlighting and asking me if I'm asleep ;-P Mar 12 01:48:39 haha so u are saying you are connected to computer and get electric shock on every highlight? Mar 12 01:48:40 * merlin1991 highlights DocScrutinizer for the lulz Mar 12 01:51:14 duh, tsunami hit California shore now? Mar 12 01:53:55 DocScrutinizer: Yeah, I am watching CNN International and it sure seems like a tsunami has hit the California shore Mar 12 01:54:37 yeah Mar 12 01:54:45 we getting close to 2012 Mar 12 01:55:00 eh? Mar 12 01:55:09 maya calendar? Mar 12 01:55:55 or was it Aztec Mar 12 01:55:56 dead world calendar Mar 12 01:56:02 Just happy not live anywhere where there is a risk for a tsunami Mar 12 01:56:10 Finland is a safe place for nature disasters Mar 12 01:56:14 DocScrutinizer: it was google calendar Mar 12 01:56:22 Hope all well for the Japanese people Mar 12 01:56:57 err, they are facing ~3 core meltdowns in their nuclear powerplants Mar 12 01:57:03 If i was japanese i would sent some nuces to you. it's all about sharing Mar 12 01:57:31 DocScrutinizer: One more and they'd have a quad Mar 12 01:58:35 lolcat: yeah they are bleding-edge Mar 12 02:00:44 don't have to worry much in central texas about natural disasters Mar 12 02:00:52 the tornados stop north of here Mar 12 02:01:00 DrGrov: volcanos, earthquake, flash flood, fire. Mar 12 02:01:12 too far inland for hurricanes to be a major problem Mar 12 02:01:36 grew up with hurricanes, those are intense Mar 12 02:01:47 great reason to have a party and get trashed Mar 12 02:02:05 Most harsh weather here is -20C some winters. Mar 12 02:02:11 brrr Mar 12 02:02:39 i prefer colorado Mar 12 02:02:43 but i'm here for now Mar 12 02:02:46 -14 is more common few nights a year temp. Mar 12 02:03:42 it was -28C one morning last year when i was in denver Mar 12 02:03:46 that was brutal Mar 12 02:04:25 it was also not fun when we got 1m of snow in 24 hours :) Mar 12 02:04:40 n900evil: than u are not evil Mar 12 02:05:06 maybe they have an evil n900 :) Mar 12 02:05:16 i'm beginning to think mine could be possessed Mar 12 02:05:18 haha Mar 12 02:05:24 watching swordfish Mar 12 02:05:32 it's made me flash it twice Mar 12 02:05:32 1m in 24h would be bad. Mar 12 02:05:50 Swordfish has two good points. Mar 12 02:05:52 ok, the first time i know what i did wrong Mar 12 02:06:13 the second time i was sure i did it right and it crashed even wierder Mar 12 02:07:20 i'm gonna try again later a little different Mar 12 02:08:03 i hate it when i try to do something myself my own way and i break something Mar 12 02:08:26 n900evil: like? Mar 12 02:08:59 ZogG_work: On Ms Berry. Mar 12 02:09:19 i don't remember the movie Mar 12 02:09:30 that's why i rewatch it Mar 12 02:10:29 swordfish was lame movie Mar 12 02:11:16 psycho_oreos: you are lame Mar 12 02:11:32 ZogG_work, I know you are Mar 12 02:11:43 DocScrutinizer: wake up Mar 12 02:11:54 GRRRRRRR Mar 12 02:11:57 tell him i'm awesome Mar 12 02:12:08 lol Mar 12 02:12:20 failbus Mar 12 02:14:13 California: 1 person missed, damage of up to $2M, after first tsunami reaching the shore Mar 12 02:15:06 haha i like the way he types Mar 12 02:15:27 i know people who types like that Mar 12 02:15:34 but they acvtually type things Mar 12 02:15:52 and all hsit he is doing is stupid Mar 12 02:17:18 how do you crack something when u have only login and he somehowe gets to console to crack 128 bit encryption with even no bruteforce Mar 12 02:18:31 haha now i got it Mar 12 02:18:42 the hackers family name was torvalds Mar 12 02:18:52 and he is Finish Mar 12 02:18:54 lol Mar 12 02:19:38 DocScrutinizer: sounds fun. Mar 12 02:20:34 it's obv, this person just took 2M$ and ran away Mar 12 02:21:09 GeneralAntilles: what exactly? Mar 12 02:21:19 DocScrutinizer51: powerkernel. Mar 12 02:21:23 aah Mar 12 02:21:34 Although sounds complicated considering the hardware requirements. Mar 12 02:23:07 damn, Kesenuma looks like Dresden on fire Mar 12 02:23:45 why don't you sleep or out on friday night? Mar 12 02:23:53 i think i'm on nerds chan Mar 12 02:24:07 ZogG_work, sitting in the family room with family. Mar 12 02:25:00 GeneralAntilles: wrong Mar 12 02:25:08 Yes. Mar 12 02:25:21 you sit in a room full of family woth your n900laptop or whatever Mar 12 02:26:03 they have those old nokia pgones with antena Mar 12 02:26:04 GeneralAntilles: what's complicated in porting a few nice drivers / patches to meego kernel Mar 12 02:26:56 halle berry is hot Mar 12 02:28:18 GeneralAntilles: so u are from stockholme Mar 12 02:28:28 Florida Mar 12 02:28:33 DocScrutinizer: shit if I know. *g* Mar 12 02:28:54 there are some broken suggests: in package dependencies Mar 12 02:29:11 hmm whois was wrong than Mar 12 02:29:18 findutils-gnu seems to suggest mlocate, slocate, and locate Mar 12 02:29:22 * merlin1991 finally got the package to build Mar 12 02:29:25 none of which exists Mar 12 02:29:31 time for bed :D Mar 12 02:29:34 findutils should include slocate Mar 12 02:32:38 ZogG_work: my host is masked. Mar 12 02:33:36 GeneralAntilles: you are ninja hacker Mar 12 02:33:49 can't be seen Mar 12 02:33:58 can't be cut Mar 12 02:34:23 I can probably be cut. Mar 12 02:34:27 But let's not test it out. Mar 12 02:34:45 too late, the car is on its way Mar 12 02:35:56 * GeneralAntilles loads up the Mauser. Mar 12 02:40:08 they do have floppies Mar 12 02:40:18 i used to use old floppies Mar 12 02:40:20 big ones Mar 12 02:41:29 DocScrutinizer: don't sleep man Mar 12 02:42:19 you're 15s early Mar 12 02:42:39 do you have charts of my highlights Mar 12 02:42:58 * DocScrutinizer adjusts ZogG_work's PC RTC with a taser Mar 12 02:44:30 i have a laser Mar 12 02:45:55 i bet DocScrutinizer doesn't have a family Mar 12 02:46:10 he had a pretty woman but he changed her for computers Mar 12 02:46:32 * DocScrutinizer ramps up the MTHELs Mar 12 02:47:53 wait, I think there's 2 or 3 X-ray laser sats left over from last year. Let's see if I fire one for you, ZogG_work Mar 12 02:48:18 i'm waiting Mar 12 02:48:22 take the misery out Mar 12 02:48:33 my misery* Mar 12 02:49:51 a pity as every one of them has 16 lead rods to fire 16 beams at arbitrary targets, just the fission power source is a one shot thing. So I have to waste 15 beams into empty space for that one greeting to you Mar 12 02:50:54 i would say you exact coordinates Mar 12 02:51:03 but n900's gps sucks Mar 12 02:51:07 nah, I'll save this one for a better time Mar 12 02:51:54 you forgot my true nature. I'm skynet so I know exactly where you are Mar 12 02:52:31 hey guys Mar 12 02:53:31 wait... these last 50m have a certain uncertainty Mar 12 02:54:28 DocScrutinizer: i'm behind goverment proxy Mar 12 02:54:38 lol Mar 12 02:55:08 actually that one is true Mar 12 02:55:42 hm Mar 12 02:55:56 yeah, quite helpful to determine your exact position. Just those last 50m, something's fishy with them Mar 12 02:56:01 im stoned and wanna code something for n900.. Mar 12 02:56:05 but what? Mar 12 02:56:27 psychedelic patterns :-D Mar 12 02:56:39 Pillum: what are u good at? Mar 12 02:56:39 r33b.net Mar 12 02:56:45 lol Mar 12 02:56:46 and are u that stoned? Mar 12 02:56:50 http://r33b.net Mar 12 02:57:05 not that anymore Mar 12 02:57:19 I got excellent C++ skills Mar 12 02:57:24 but no idea atm Mar 12 02:57:35 and also no n900 :( Mar 12 02:57:43 because of broken mini usb port Mar 12 02:57:51 the 3rd time Mar 12 02:57:52 micro Mar 12 02:57:53 ... Mar 12 02:57:53 haha Mar 12 02:58:14 Pillum: maybe at least one can make google calendar integration Mar 12 02:58:27 or i know Mar 12 02:58:28 is the calender widget open? Mar 12 02:58:48 Pillum: go to waze and download source coed for android and adapt it to n900 Mar 12 02:59:05 what is waze?! Mar 12 02:59:05 Pillum: yes, the community widget Mar 12 02:59:17 (mode #maemo b Mar 12 02:59:20 there is home widget calendar it is from someone from community i think Mar 12 02:59:34 DocScrutinizer: you are fail Mar 12 02:59:47 Pillum: waze is nice nav program **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Mar 12 02:59:57 2011