**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Mar 12 02:59:57 2011 Mar 12 03:00:58 ZogG_work: I can only code Qt4-only apps, because I got no n900 atm :S Mar 12 03:01:27 I just a personal bus driver here :D Mar 12 03:01:30 ZogG_work: you're late Mar 12 03:01:38 he didnt know the way so I told him the way home Mar 12 03:01:45 DocAvalanche: ? Mar 12 03:02:16 Pillum: you can port it to qt app for computer and than it would be easy to port to maemo Mar 12 03:02:23 it's almost unix program Mar 12 03:02:38 ZogG_work: which one? calendar or waze? Mar 12 03:02:54 waze Mar 12 03:03:01 lol Mar 12 03:03:02 it is open source Mar 12 03:03:11 and how to test the gps function on my pc? :S Mar 12 03:03:32 Pillum: network onre Mar 12 03:03:38 it works with it as well Mar 12 03:03:52 network onre? Mar 12 03:03:59 what is this? Mar 12 03:04:03 one* Mar 12 03:04:19 aaaaand still Mar 12 03:04:22 what is this? Mar 12 03:04:24 it's like geolocation in browsers with no gps Mar 12 03:04:24 :) Mar 12 03:04:28 ahh Mar 12 03:04:51 n900 uses it too btw Mar 12 03:04:55 both with gps Mar 12 03:05:55 hm Mar 12 03:06:04 I dont find the source codes of this program Mar 12 03:06:54 lemme find and link to you Mar 12 03:08:06 http://www.waze.com/wiki/index.php/Source_code Mar 12 03:09:09 are the UI all the same? Mar 12 03:09:15 or should I port a specific version Mar 12 03:10:14 hmm, now that I got that bare PCB, I should order a handful of spare speakers Mar 12 03:11:48 Pillum: let's say androids one is cool Mar 12 03:11:59 as well as you can see gtk in source Mar 12 03:12:07 and even qt is mentioned Mar 12 03:12:11 lol Mar 12 03:12:11 ok Mar 12 03:12:49 kerio: hello Mar 12 03:12:56 for coffee press 1 Mar 12 03:13:00 for tea press 2 Mar 12 03:14:11 2 Mar 12 03:14:30 * ZogG_work handles coffee for Pillum Mar 12 03:14:35 nice Mar 12 03:14:36 :D Mar 12 03:14:47 wanna milk cream? Mar 12 03:15:04 does WazeforAndroid support landscape mode? Mar 12 03:15:05 lol Mar 12 03:15:15 but I pressed 2 for tea :( Mar 12 03:15:27 ERROR Mar 12 03:15:28 ERROR Mar 12 03:15:33 oh noes Mar 12 03:15:36 I broke it Mar 12 03:15:37 :( Mar 12 03:18:40 moo Mar 12 03:18:48 wtf is that Mar 12 03:18:52 cow Mar 12 03:18:54 Pillum: i think it does have it Mar 12 03:19:30 Pillum: just give us something =) Mar 12 03:19:42 ZogG_work: but wtf is that# Mar 12 03:19:45 its for android Mar 12 03:19:53 and the ´wiki says Mar 12 03:19:56 its not using the ndk Mar 12 03:20:04 ndk? Mar 12 03:20:05 so why the hell is there C source code? Mar 12 03:20:11 Native Development Kit Mar 12 03:20:18 sure it's for android otherwise why would we need port? Mar 12 03:20:43 cause it's written in C for droid and symbian and windows Mar 12 03:20:52 whet Mar 12 03:20:53 for android it uses openglse btw Mar 12 03:21:09 but you cannot code with C for android without using the NDK Mar 12 03:21:13 its impossible Mar 12 03:21:31 i dunno Mar 12 03:21:39 take symbian code Mar 12 03:21:48 or win mobile code Mar 12 03:22:02 what prog Mar 12 03:22:27 * pupnik stabs Mar 12 03:22:30 i can't tell you Mar 12 03:22:46 otherwise i'll spoil surprise Pillum want to make us all Mar 12 03:22:53 L Mar 12 03:23:00 :D Mar 12 03:23:03 L? Mar 12 03:23:13 Pillum: there is iphone source Mar 12 03:23:16 ok Mar 12 03:23:20 there is source of source =) Mar 12 03:23:24 lol Mar 12 03:23:40 Pillum: btw you can use freemap-il from extras as this program is based on it Mar 12 03:24:26 it's like 2.0 of freemap-il and now it's international, covers major coutriesd in the world Mar 12 03:25:16 Pillum: so is it doable? Mar 12 03:26:24 !ping Mar 12 03:26:28 ~ping Mar 12 03:26:28 ~pong Mar 12 03:26:38 i thought i was timeouted Mar 12 03:26:59 lol Mar 12 03:27:13 just need to crawl me through the source code Mar 12 03:27:21 atm I dont know what is what Mar 12 03:27:29 hah they rann the openpandora at 14mhz in low-power mode Mar 12 03:27:32 Pillum: look most of libs there are native in linux Mar 12 03:27:37 agg, libpng Mar 12 03:28:04 'was too slow, got clock drift' Mar 12 03:28:05 lol Mar 12 03:28:09 yeah Mar 12 03:28:14 but what is this roadmap? Mar 12 03:28:19 it looks like roadmap is the app Mar 12 03:28:22 but why waze then Mar 12 03:28:24 lülz Mar 12 03:28:25 it's the program Mar 12 03:28:36 don't ask me Mar 12 03:28:42 lol Mar 12 03:28:56 "Back at the beginning, low power mode used to drop the CPU to 14Mhz, a speed so low it couldn't keep up with the normal tasks, and the software clock suffered. With HF4, that was increased to 125Mhz and it no longer has any problems keeping up. That's why I asked which hotfix he was using. That won't be it anymore, though, mine sits in low power mode 18 hours a day and it hasn't lost any time." Mar 12 03:30:00 14MHz? Mar 12 03:30:05 is it possible? Mar 12 03:30:35 i think my mouse has more Mar 12 03:31:22 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=965940 Mar 12 03:31:30 seems like someone is already at porting Mar 12 03:32:22 dont want to reinvent the wheel Mar 12 03:32:27 when somebody already did Mar 12 03:34:13 Pillum: noone does Mar 12 03:34:34 whats with damagedspline Mar 12 03:34:38 he said he is doing Mar 12 03:35:12 06-13-10 , 04:41 PM Mar 12 03:36:29 i doubt his phase of finishing was half year ago and no realese still Mar 12 03:41:21 Pillum: ? Mar 12 03:41:28 That is obviously shopped you can tell by the pixels and i've seen alot of photoshops in my time. Mar 12 03:44:58 http://twitpic.com/43b0ql state of the art production surface Mar 12 03:46:31 what is shopped? Mar 12 03:47:17 i think pupnik's face shopped Mar 12 03:48:53 * pupnik bends Mar 12 03:51:02 how do i tell if it's booting or not? Mar 12 03:51:09 pupnik: bend back, no intence to have butt sex with you. sorry, not gay Mar 12 03:51:25 rcS should be taking a long time actually Mar 12 03:51:32 dangergrrl: all you need to ask Mar 12 03:52:04 well, i put: Mar 12 03:52:23 /sbin/parted /dev/mmcblk0 resize 2 20.0gb 31.1gb >/etc/done 2>&1 Mar 12 03:52:23 in there Mar 12 03:53:00 trash is trash Mar 12 03:53:22 it can take a loooot of time Mar 12 03:53:49 why do u do it? Mar 12 03:54:06 http://paste.pocoo.org/show/352281/ i put all that in there Mar 12 03:54:12 so it is failsafe Mar 12 03:54:40 dangergrrl: did you apply kernel io fixes before starting that Mar 12 03:54:41 trying to resize /home without erasing and having to resture Mar 12 03:55:13 i need the kernel from extras-testing for parted to work? Mar 12 03:55:19 no Mar 12 03:55:25 just /proc settings Mar 12 03:55:36 no i didn't Mar 12 03:55:56 i installed bash and ssh and coreutils and that's about all Mar 12 03:55:58 you might want to go do something else, like a ski trip Mar 12 03:56:06 then come back Mar 12 03:56:08 i've flashed twice since i started this Mar 12 03:56:26 fly to vegas for the wknd Mar 12 03:56:36 and i can't tell if it's booting or not, it flashed the boot screens and now flashing amber light Mar 12 03:57:28 well i've done large file copy operations that have slowed to a crawl Mar 12 03:57:51 when it's up that parted command gives output that it can't do it because the filesystem is mounted instead of complaining about the args Mar 12 03:57:57 i expect parted will trigger the same issues Mar 12 03:58:02 right Mar 12 03:58:09 so i am hoping it parameter checked and those params are correct Mar 12 03:58:27 so enjoy your trip Mar 12 03:58:43 be around monday Mar 12 04:00:17 i just wish i knew how to tell if it was booting right now or not Mar 12 04:00:33 if i hold the power button and it's booting it will stop Mar 12 04:01:18 i say u screwed Mar 12 04:01:54 i'll eat dinner and such and try the power button then Mar 12 04:02:05 don't listen to ZogG_work Mar 12 04:02:09 Pillum: so u decided not to? Mar 12 04:02:33 pupnik: u can shu down me Mar 12 04:02:39 shut down one oafter me Mar 12 04:02:45 but there would be always more Mar 12 04:02:50 one instead Mar 12 04:02:57 u can't stop us Mar 12 04:03:21 ZogG_work: I think I'll do it Mar 12 04:03:35 even though I wont need a navi on my n900 Mar 12 04:03:38 since I got sygic Mar 12 04:05:06 did u look over code btw? Mar 12 04:05:20 did i missunderstood or there is gtk there Mar 12 04:06:51 it seems like its using gtk only for opengl context creation Mar 12 04:09:39 and that is roadmap Mar 12 04:09:40 http://roadmap.sourceforge.net/screen-route.png Mar 12 04:11:07 http://www.cnet.com/i/bto/20090706/waze15_270x404.png Mar 12 04:11:11 and this is waze Mar 12 04:11:40 and I only see roadmap_* files Mar 12 04:17:30 the light turned green Mar 12 04:17:35 Pillum: aroadmap is only for processing maps and gui is separete probably Mar 12 04:17:40 it must be booting, yes? Mar 12 04:18:26 fully charged is green Mar 12 04:18:50 but you are sure, that this is waze? Mar 12 04:18:59 whether it's booting or down... Mar 12 04:19:00 cause even the welcome.bmp says Mar 12 04:19:02 its freemap Mar 12 04:19:35 go to android folder Mar 12 04:32:25 ZogG_work: its around 5k lines of source code Mar 12 04:32:31 so it will need its time Mar 12 04:32:44 5k lines of source code to port Mar 12 04:32:48 i would look into it as well Mar 12 04:32:53 wanted to do it today Mar 12 04:32:58 the rest are common shared things Mar 12 04:33:04 but forgot AC adapter for laptop =( Mar 12 04:33:09 you know c/c++? Mar 12 04:33:15 not really Mar 12 04:33:18 lol Mar 12 04:33:25 how would you want to port it hen? Mar 12 04:33:27 but that's the way u learn Mar 12 04:33:33 lol Mar 12 04:33:36 i understand here and there Mar 12 04:34:04 I learned it with a few lines of command line games Mar 12 04:34:16 not with a 50k source cdode line application Mar 12 04:34:18 :D Mar 12 04:35:31 anyway im going to bed Mar 12 04:35:42 i'm going to bed soon as well Mar 12 04:35:45 write me a pm tomorrow Mar 12 04:35:46 talk to you other day Mar 12 04:35:47 or so Mar 12 04:35:54 that I wont forget it :D Mar 12 04:35:57 i'm almost always around here Mar 12 04:36:09 not always at computer actually but mostly online anyway Mar 12 04:36:14 lol Mar 12 04:36:23 im at night here Mar 12 04:36:28 only at night Mar 12 04:36:29 ZogG: <- me Mar 12 04:36:31 and not every day Mar 12 04:36:46 and when im here I usually work on some games Mar 12 04:36:51 ZogG_work: where are you from? Mar 12 04:36:52 usa? Mar 12 04:36:56 china? Mar 12 04:36:59 i'm at nioghts only when i do not work next morning or i have night shift Mar 12 04:37:13 Pillum: Israel Mar 12 04:37:16 what games Pillum Mar 12 04:37:27 pupnik: strip poker Mar 12 04:37:31 :D Mar 12 04:37:41 ? Mar 12 04:37:44 naked ladies in ASCII is the msot sext thing Mar 12 04:37:57 Pillum: u r usa? Mar 12 04:38:08 no Mar 12 04:38:10 im pakistan Mar 12 04:38:16 seriously? Mar 12 04:38:18 no Mar 12 04:38:19 :D Mar 12 04:38:21 germany Mar 12 04:38:28 than it's raxist from you Mar 12 04:38:29 :D Mar 12 04:38:33 :D Mar 12 04:38:37 yeah man, don't be raxist Mar 12 04:38:42 lol Mar 12 04:38:50 ok, i wont be raxist Mar 12 04:39:06 DocScrutinizer: damn man, do u sleep? Mar 12 04:39:25 all you germans trying to conquer the chan Mar 12 04:39:30 what makes you think I ever sleep? Mar 12 04:39:34 pupnik: and you too Mar 12 04:39:42 DocScrutinizer: you don't Mar 12 04:39:54 actually i come here and almost everytime u online Mar 12 04:39:59 uhh Mar 12 04:40:01 a stalker Mar 12 04:40:02 :S Mar 12 04:40:02 and i come in different times of day Mar 12 04:40:11 so there are 2 options Mar 12 04:40:15 or u never sleep Mar 12 04:40:25 or we are soulmates and made for each other Mar 12 04:40:33 no Mar 12 04:40:35 doc is mine :( Mar 12 04:40:41 haha u wish Mar 12 04:40:46 and I wont share Mar 12 04:40:50 nanana Mar 12 04:40:54 :D Mar 12 04:40:59 all you can make a dull rabbit style german porn Mar 12 04:41:16 i would say thank you for those tapes i stoled from parents when i was young Mar 12 04:41:26 i would even say i grew up on them Mar 12 04:41:29 but still man Mar 12 04:41:30 lol Mar 12 04:41:55 1. im not german. only born, grew up and living here Mar 12 04:42:09 so how come u are not german Mar 12 04:42:18 2. why does the world think, german make kinky and filthy porn Mar 12 04:42:22 u live here and born there Mar 12 04:42:35 im turkish :P Mar 12 04:42:40 Pillum: not kinky and fithy Mar 12 04:42:42 didn';t say it Mar 12 04:42:58 but the rest of the world says so Mar 12 04:43:05 porn just made a lot of porn back when there were tapes Mar 12 04:43:18 and they made it like dogs Mar 12 04:43:27 i mean technical sex Mar 12 04:43:30 with no emotions Mar 12 04:43:35 only screaming yayayaya Mar 12 04:44:00 if i want kinky i would go for asian Mar 12 04:44:06 lol Mar 12 04:44:11 hey, I had israeli porn that made exactly that noise Mar 12 04:44:15 that's uncanny Mar 12 04:44:16 they are f'ed up Mar 12 04:44:36 doc|home: share the name Mar 12 04:44:45 ZogG_work: can't remember Mar 12 04:44:47 i saw only few israeli porns Mar 12 04:45:01 one i got that it's israeli by their tattos Mar 12 04:45:05 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZNvsOOQwtPg Mar 12 04:45:12 and davids star on his chest Mar 12 04:45:35 i'm falling asleep Mar 12 04:45:41 but my shift ends in 15 mins Mar 12 04:45:44 so it's ok Mar 12 04:45:48 \o/ Mar 12 04:45:58 had night shift? Mar 12 04:46:03 yeap Mar 12 04:46:10 almost all fridays Mar 12 04:46:17 or friday night or sat morning Mar 12 04:46:21 that's my weekends =( Mar 12 04:46:39 trying to find some IT work Mar 12 04:46:44 but noon wants me Mar 12 04:46:53 lol Mar 12 04:47:25 sad story, bro Mar 12 04:47:27 gonna get dressed i think\ Mar 12 04:47:42 naked at work? Mar 12 04:47:42 :D Mar 12 04:47:45 nice Mar 12 04:47:49 Pillum: f them, their lost =) Mar 12 04:48:01 Pillum: nope, uniform Mar 12 04:48:09 security guy Mar 12 04:48:09 what uniform? Mar 12 04:48:12 lol Mar 12 04:48:14 ^ Mar 12 04:48:32 IT guy does physical security Mar 12 04:48:33 :D Mar 12 04:48:49 what can i do Mar 12 04:48:55 i'm not IT Mar 12 04:49:02 and has no education yet Mar 12 04:49:11 soooo while studing it suits me Mar 12 04:49:28 but i'm too tierd of this shit and last months i get less and less money Mar 12 04:56:21 morning Mar 12 04:59:01 duh, now 5 coremelts pending Mar 12 05:00:19 and the new quake doesn't exactly help, though it's only been a 6.6 Mar 12 05:00:30 "only" :/ Mar 12 05:01:59 I really feel sorry for them Mar 12 05:02:52 yeah Mar 12 05:02:53 pupnik: you ordered your speakers? Mar 12 05:04:34 pupnik: I got this PCB today, so I ordered 4 speakers, just in case... :-D Mar 12 05:05:37 shipping was 5 weeks and a few, but hey, it ships for free Mar 12 05:07:54 DocScrutinizer: i couldn't decide between the speakers with the correct picture or the ones with the correct description Mar 12 05:10:28 ooh Mar 12 05:11:27 they are pretty fast on answering questions Mar 12 05:11:34 like 10 min Mar 12 05:11:37 wow Mar 12 05:12:15 probably not in 6 hours though, when their office hours are over Mar 12 05:12:49 it's a bit of an insult to ask 'is the part you labled "n900 speaker" really a n900 speaker'? Mar 12 05:13:28 nah, tell them you got confused about the picture and the description don't match for you Mar 12 05:14:11 k Mar 12 05:14:25 chinese people are *very* polite, and they don't like to say no, but also don't like to 'lose their face' Mar 12 05:15:19 let me know what they answered Mar 12 05:22:03 why do you want a speaker for the N900? Mar 12 05:22:22 so i can hear it ring Mar 12 05:24:41 ds3: the n900 speaker looks like this one http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n82-e72-e66-x6-n85-cell-phone-speaker.html Mar 12 05:24:54 here's their n900 speaker http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n81-n900-cell-phone-speaker.html Mar 12 05:30:40 is it suppose to be louder or? Mar 12 05:31:42 my original speakers (or amplifier) has broken and usually i get no sounds Mar 12 05:31:50 OHhhhh gotca Mar 12 05:45:09 pupnik: any answer? I might want to change my order ;-D Mar 12 05:45:48 DocScrutinizer: i didn't see an email Mar 12 05:46:23 i sppose i could register Mar 12 05:47:23 I registered and posted directly on the order, via "start conversation" Mar 12 05:47:39 they just confirmed my payment, should hurry now Mar 12 05:48:04 i'd like a mini keyboard for my 7" tablet Mar 12 05:48:09 that would make it funnerer Mar 12 05:50:41 * pupnik wonders what DocScrutinizer will do with the pcb board Mar 12 05:59:19 is this a good channel to talk about nokia n900? need to flash it to factory mode with ubuntu and it is running maemo on it now Mar 12 05:59:23 pupnik: A70? Mar 12 06:00:02 hi ds3 yes Mar 12 06:00:18 i haven't seen ubuntu on n900 Mar 12 06:00:31 pupnik: have you gotten it running well enough to be useable with Angstrom? Mar 12 06:00:38 no im using ubuntu to flash n900 Mar 12 06:01:24 ds3: http://forum.archosfans.com/viewtopic.php?f=34&t=45396 Mar 12 06:01:39 is meego released yet or is it still being developed ? Mar 12 06:01:57 woodyjlw: there are releases every few weeks it seems Mar 12 06:03:19 pupnik: i have seen that before so I guess no other progress? Mar 12 06:06:41 right Mar 12 06:07:14 ever since i fixed the n900, coincidentally Mar 12 06:09:40 damn graf_choloko is russian =) Mar 12 06:10:28 pupnik: typical chinese answer :-D >> "ok, We will ship N900 speaker to you, please no worries. Thanks." – Ownta Sales Team Mar 12 06:12:48 5 coremelts pending, one probably already in progress - caesium escaped from containment Mar 12 06:14:14 anybody knows where to get info about surface and 2500, 5000, 10000ft winds over Japan? Mar 12 06:15:09 lol\ Mar 12 06:15:32 japanese reactors coremelting?! Mar 12 06:15:33 DocScrutinizer: where are you getting the reports? BBC don't seem to have that much details Mar 12 06:15:59 german TV is quite good at gathering info bits Mar 12 06:19:41 pupnik: yep, 5 for now, AIUI. 2 in Fukushima-1 and 3 in Fukushima-2 Mar 12 06:20:26 seems a little silly Mar 12 06:20:53 silly maybe isn't exactly the word I'd use Mar 12 06:22:17 japanese reactors not water-proof apparently Mar 12 06:23:46 obviously in both power plants the generators broke and emergency cooling is running from batteries, which last for a few hours. They seem unable to bring mobile generators of sufficient power to the reactors, so core melt is somewhat guaranteed as soon as batteries are depleted, which seems they already did for one block of Fukushima-1 Mar 12 06:24:56 they should build reactors where fuel needs to be added Mar 12 06:25:06 and if it isn't added, reaction stops Mar 12 06:25:14 evacuation of 51,000 residents Mar 12 06:26:39 pupnik: that's indeed the basic problem of fission reactors. The process needs to be stopped actively while it continues without any further support Mar 12 06:27:05 not all fission reactor designs apparently Mar 12 06:27:34 if there isn't material for fission to occur then it won't Mar 12 06:27:57 produce a process that H_2 or what ever is in a controlled supply Mar 12 06:28:04 problem solved Mar 12 06:28:07 that's the point. You need a subcritical but rather high mass of reaction material Mar 12 06:28:25 http://www.truthaboutenergy.com/Fast%20Breeder%20Plant.htm fast breeders - killed by 'environmentalists' Mar 12 06:28:44 I would like to find a way to back up all my contacts from my n900 to my ubuntu laptop. is there a program in ubuntu that can help me with this? Mar 12 06:30:03 woodyjlw: simplest way: export_as_vcards in N900 contacts app, then copy/move that file to buntkuh and import to your PIM there Mar 12 06:30:14 pupnik: thanks for the '' in 'environmentalists' Mar 12 06:31:01 around Mar 12 06:31:22 DocScrutinizer: can't they remove the fuel? Mar 12 06:31:29 nope Mar 12 06:31:33 why not? Mar 12 06:32:13 the containment is at 2 times max allowed pressure, nobody can go inside and remove extremely hot and "hot" fuel rods Mar 12 06:32:28 robots Mar 12 06:32:34 or mechanized arms Mar 12 06:32:34 robots get fried? Mar 12 06:32:41 at what temperature Mar 12 06:32:46 prior to replacing/removing fuel rods the reactor has to chill down some weeks Mar 12 06:32:58 man poor Japan Mar 12 06:33:03 yeah Mar 12 06:36:09 wonder if they can fill it with bird shot Mar 12 06:37:02 for now it seems they can't even get out the pressure, as the batteries don't even have the energy to operate the vent valves Mar 12 06:37:13 hard to fill it with anything Mar 12 06:37:17 oh Mar 12 06:37:19 interesting, google "japan nuclear" first hit is from Aljazeera Mar 12 06:43:23 ZogG: static functions have 2 possible meanings, one of which doesn't need declaring in the .h file Mar 12 06:43:59 ZogG: 1) a static function is either a function which belongs to a class, but not particular instances of it -> you declare these in the class declaration Mar 12 06:44:32 ZogG: 2) static functions which are not members of a class are used to make a function only accessible from a single source file Mar 12 06:46:33 yigal: unsurprisingly aljazeera has better coverage of a lot of stuff :/ Mar 12 06:46:35 cnn = ass Mar 12 06:47:05 in fact, I'm going to buy some shares so I can propose they change their name to that, as it's more appropriate, at a shareholders meeting Mar 12 06:57:38 \ Mar 12 06:57:41 - Mar 12 07:02:14 Venemo: isn't the portable-assembler nature of C amazing! only an assembler coder might consider using "static" instead "local" for that purpose Mar 12 07:03:15 DocScrutinizer: well, glib-based stuff written in C are full of static methods usually Mar 12 07:03:51 I'm talking about the syntax and the mindset of those that invented it Mar 12 07:04:24 mhm Mar 12 07:04:38 hm, I wasn't aware that there is a "local" keyword in C Mar 12 07:04:52 probably there isn't Mar 12 07:05:01 that's the point Mar 12 07:05:48 :) Mar 12 07:08:45 DocScrutinizer: the number of different purposes the static keyword has in C/C++ is amazing Mar 12 07:11:18 and I guess all of them are a reminiscence to the way the method is implemented on assembler level inside the compiler/generated opcode. Well, C = portable macro assembler Mar 12 07:12:19 static basically will mean "use heap, not stack" Mar 12 07:13:54 yeah, basically Mar 12 07:14:04 anyway, I have to leave now Mar 12 07:14:10 will be back later :) Mar 12 07:14:11 bb Mar 12 07:34:13 finally info about wind: seaward, so fallout won't hit Japan ground directly Mar 12 07:40:13 DocScrutinizer: fully dispersed before it hits again? they were finding evidence of chernobyl in western europe before the russians ever admitted things went wrong Mar 12 08:07:38 AFP says an explosion has been heard at the Fukushima-Daiichi plant Mar 12 08:16:42 yeah, and Japan gvmt says it's not been at Fukushima-Daiichi Mar 12 08:17:34 sure, somebody is using up his left over fireworks there Mar 12 08:19:15 Outer structure of building that houses reactor at Fukushima plant appears to have blown off - NHK Mar 12 08:20:02 URL? Mar 12 08:20:38 this is all twitter stuff Mar 12 08:21:36 Useless. Mar 12 08:22:05 does this mean we're all going to die? Mar 12 08:22:15 fucking finally, can get some peace and quiet Mar 12 08:25:03 further explosions Mar 12 08:25:31 cnn sucks balls Mar 12 08:25:34 hard Mar 12 08:26:20 yeah, I noticed that some 12h ago ;-) Mar 12 08:26:41 clap clap cnn Mar 12 08:26:46 finally they mention something about it Mar 12 08:26:50 idiots Mar 12 08:27:15 that's it? 20 secs? idiots! Mar 12 08:29:15 authorities keep information back to avoid panic in Tokyo Mar 12 08:29:41 because speculation is so much more useful Mar 12 08:29:50 sure Mar 12 08:30:15 that was one thing about the movie, 2012. They knew for years, but the politicians told no one, kept it to themselves to prevent panic. In turn, preventing people from looking after themselves. Mar 12 08:36:17 first one definitely exploded Mar 12 08:37:26 4 more to blow up Mar 12 08:40:41 oh, video on ctv Mar 12 08:40:47 fuck me that's a HGUE explosion Mar 12 08:41:06 Hm, let me know when it appears on Youtube Mar 12 08:42:51 fucking cnn... they have a title bar "COUNTDOWN TO MELTDOWN?" Mar 12 08:45:26 robbiethe1st: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU Mar 12 08:46:15 oh, that's different to the one I saw Mar 12 08:46:16 ty Mar 12 08:46:26 the one I saw was way bigger than that Mar 12 08:48:49 hmmm, it's possible that this is what I saw http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lJ9ce3UDSow&NR=1 though that one doesn't show the initial explosion Mar 12 08:54:40 nah, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU is the real one - yummy huge clouds of uranium dust Mar 12 08:55:26 0:48 Mar 12 09:03:21 japan is now 3m more east than it used to be Mar 12 09:04:10 honestly? Mar 12 09:04:15 Yes. Mar 12 09:04:21 WTF?! Mar 12 09:04:54 used to be a week ago, or some thusand years ago? Mar 12 09:05:08 Used to be two days ago. Mar 12 09:05:15 incredible Mar 12 09:05:17 Also the earth's figure axis shifted 15 cm. Mar 12 09:05:32 yike Mar 12 09:05:58 The length of a day has been reduced by 1.6 us. Mar 12 09:06:15 well, that doesn't tell me much Mar 12 09:06:24 might be normal Mar 12 09:06:37 The Chilean earthquake in 2010 reduced it by 1.2 us. Mar 12 09:06:42 Not the whole of japan - the reading is from an observatory in Miyagi prefecture (and last I heard, they were claiming 4m) Mar 12 09:09:44 so, do we finally get a proper nuclear disaster? Mar 12 09:10:44 prolly not, the aftermath is going to be the same as in 1986. Mar 12 09:10:46 Chernobyl was quite proper Mar 12 09:11:06 enviromental groups attaining more interest in banning nuclear power Mar 12 09:11:16 'Malcolm Grimston, a nuclear energy expert from Imperial College London, has told the BBC that as long as any nuclear meltdown is small-scale, it can be contained: "For example, there was one in the Chapel Cross plant in south-west Scotland in the 1960s, and at the end of that it only affected two of what they call the fuel channels, the long tubes where the fuel is put. They simply sealed those off, there was no release of radioactivity offsite and the plant co Mar 12 09:11:27 I love the British. Mar 12 09:12:53 it is not the British, it is Americans being extra squeamish about the whole nucular thing Mar 12 09:12:55 Depressing that this happens. Mar 12 09:13:10 Just at the point that nuclear was looking a bit more likely in the UK. Mar 12 09:13:16 Did the power plants nuclear reactor melt yet? Mar 12 09:13:47 meltdown being kinda pop icon, after Simpsons et l Mar 12 09:14:19 Well, did we get a nuclear disaster like Chernobyl? Mar 12 09:14:34 too early to tell at this stage Mar 12 09:14:38 Ok Mar 12 09:14:41 Time to wait just then Mar 12 09:14:44 apparently there was an explosion, one wall is gone Mar 12 09:14:46 Eventually will get more news Mar 12 09:15:07 too early to tell Mar 12 09:15:27 Ok Mar 12 09:15:31 Will check in later at cnn.com Mar 12 09:15:37 Thanks for the info Mar 12 09:15:50 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RPJAYyemN2I Mar 12 09:17:50 cannot watch it myself, gprs here Mar 12 09:18:55 it's just someone with a video camera recording tv footage of the previous video, with some french explosion sounds Mar 12 09:19:09 night Mar 12 09:20:36 What makes an explosion sound French? Mar 12 09:20:43 le boom Mar 12 09:21:08 www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219 Mar 12 09:21:29 derf: if you watch the video you'll see, and understand Mar 12 09:21:47 it's like an english person making an explosion noise, only slightly less ... manly... Mar 12 09:22:03 sorry, english speaking Mar 12 09:22:14 :) Mar 12 09:22:27 Residents of Fukushima are told to stay inside, seal windows, etc Mar 12 09:22:59 And avoid vegetables. Mar 12 09:23:09 I love the Japanese, too. Mar 12 09:23:15 certain vegetables Mar 12 09:23:37 "NHK TV carrying advice to people to protect themselves against radiation. Experts say people should cover their mouths and noses with wet towels. Exposed skin should also be covered and people should wash after coming indoors. People should also avoid vegetables and other fresh food, as well as tap water, until authorities give the all-clear." Mar 12 09:23:59 a reasonable advice Mar 12 09:25:04 their police should be distributing iodine pills just about now, too Mar 12 09:25:34 man, if I'm living in the vicinity of a nuclear plant I'd have my own stock of iodine pills Mar 12 09:27:06 better have a car and drive off at the first signs of trouble Mar 12 09:27:20 that too Mar 12 09:28:05 Avoid vegetables is such a stock answer. Mar 12 09:28:25 They mean outdoor veg that may be contaminated Mar 12 09:28:28 Drink more red wine! Mar 12 09:29:58 Or, lacking that, vodka. Mar 12 09:30:13 It won't help the radiation, but it'll get you drunk. Mar 12 09:31:20 nah, red wine apparently does have some effect Mar 12 09:32:20 * RST38bis has seen this all happen up close in 1986 Mar 12 09:32:25 Yes, red wine does. I doubt vodka does. Mar 12 09:34:07 Although the Japanese definitely make their nuclear disaster look more hilarious than the Soviets Mar 12 09:35:12 in Soviet Russia, communism owns you Mar 12 09:35:29 (Reuters) - An explosion blew the roof off an unstable reactor north of Tokyo on Saturday, Japanese media said, Mar 12 09:38:33 well, we've all seen that if we watched the first video, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=pg4uogOEUrU Mar 12 09:40:52 you can see the enormous blowout vertically in the air at 0:48, to me it seems right from the center of the building. Then all sorts of crap and rocks flying several hundered meters away and the core and building dissolving in a nice radioactive brown cloud Mar 12 09:41:24 "Japan Orders Evacuation Near 2nd Nuclear Plant - Senior engineers at the Daiichi and Daini and operated by Tokyo Electric Power have stated that if they are not provided coolant within 48 hours, Tokyo could become the next Chernobyl with Tokyo becoming uninhabitable for 150 years." Mar 12 09:41:29 have they got graphite or something similarly dusty there? Mar 12 09:41:38 http://www.nytimes.com/2011/03/12/world/asia/12nuclear.html?_r=1 Mar 12 09:41:47 I said four are still pending Mar 12 09:42:37 lol, 150?? Mar 12 09:42:46 also, what are the winds in that area? Mar 12 09:43:10 i doubt that though, as the plant's 150miles away from tokyo, and supposedly winds were blowing out to sea Mar 12 09:43:22 is that how long it takes to dump everything there in a large hole? 10cm of soil Mar 12 09:43:34 RST38bis: seaward atm Mar 12 09:43:34 it is the NY Times, apply salt Mar 12 09:43:41 Neotokyo! Slums! Radiation signs! Gas masks! Furries! =) Mar 12 09:43:59 RST38bis: I've seen stranger videos than all of those... Mar 12 09:44:00 Doc: towards the US? Mar 12 09:44:06 RST38bis: (japanese ones at that) Mar 12 09:44:10 RST38bis: dunno Mar 12 09:44:30 it's the japanese getting revenge (too soon for jokes?) Mar 12 09:45:01 RST38bis: Winds are blowing out to sea. Mar 12 09:45:16 The radiation will reach Washington State in about 7 days. Mar 12 09:45:25 doc|home: definitely too early. 4 blocks pending to blast off Mar 12 09:45:36 Or at least that was the wind as of this morning. Mar 12 09:45:42 I don't know how stable it is there this time of year. Mar 12 09:45:49 DocScrutinizer: man, 60 years isn't enough? Mar 12 09:46:17 being serious though, obviously I hope it gets no worse Mar 12 09:46:26 it will Mar 12 09:46:29 derf: might it have dispersed? Mar 12 09:46:44 http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-asia-pacific-12720219 Mar 12 09:46:48 derf: johnx has left JP but it is following him! Mar 12 09:47:43 hmmm, I really shouldn't make jokes. I'm just north of where it'll hit if it does Mar 12 09:48:21 doc|home: I doubt anything released so far will matter by th time it gets there. Mar 12 09:49:49 depends on what has been released... Mar 12 09:50:54 fuck, one way I do not want to die is a horrible cancer :/ Mar 12 09:52:16 cancer from radiation released from atomic/nuclear powerplant isn't the only way to obtain one in the first place Mar 12 09:52:16 well crappity Mar 12 09:52:21 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:Map_prevailing_winds_on_earth.png Mar 12 09:52:30 psycho_oreos: of course not, but it won't help Mar 12 09:53:32 doc|home, it won't help what? panic attacks? if one was seriously that concerned, maybe they should move elsewhere. Natural disasters are inevitable and people are there to save their lives Mar 12 09:53:35 You've got about a 1/3 chance of dying from cancer, nuclear disaster or not. Mar 12 09:54:02 psycho_oreos: way to miss the point Mar 12 09:54:19 If it bothers you, go hit the road for a while next week. Any luck and you'll get killed in a traffic accident. Mar 12 09:54:32 thanks Mar 12 09:54:32 that depends on who you are Mar 12 09:54:45 did someone switch on dick mode? Mar 12 09:55:08 doc|home, I don't think I'm missing the point, I think you're just concerned the radioactive waves from atomic/nuclear powerplants from Japan is a sign of revenge and is out there to kill you Mar 12 09:55:15 has never been off Mar 12 09:55:20 isn't that smoke going inland Mar 12 09:55:21 psycho_oreos: again, that was a joke Mar 12 09:55:35 sorry doc :) Mar 12 09:55:57 doc|home, a joke that has been dragged on for several minutes.. wow Mar 12 09:56:55 psycho_oreos: yeah, it died ages ago, I've no idea why you just brought it back up Mar 12 09:57:23 a'ok time to go spend some quality time with family Mar 12 09:57:32 doc|home, like 5 minutes ago or so was ages Mar 12 09:57:35 I was serious about it potentially coming across the pacific though, the only reason the rest of the world knew about chernobyl was because of the increased radiation levels in western europe Mar 12 09:59:43 play nice, kids. World is an awful place without you bitching Mar 12 10:01:00 German expert estimates final evacuation radius like 100km Mar 12 10:01:18 of course depending on winds Mar 12 10:02:32 and no way that might NOT have been a core meltdown Mar 12 10:05:14 http://graphics8.nytimes.com/images/2011/03/13/world/asia/13nuclear-a/13nuclear-a-popup.jpg Mar 12 10:05:19 * pupnik watching the pressure wave climb past the top of the tower at the speed of sound Mar 12 10:05:21 top pic before explosion, bottom pic after Mar 12 10:07:20 pupnik: yeah, it could be nice if it wasn't that dirty Mar 12 10:08:55 anybody know japanese? how did it happen? secondary cooling loop? primary? Mar 12 10:09:23 Godzilla. Mar 12 10:10:31 whom can I poke about extras-devel upload rights? Mar 12 10:11:43 pupnik: ?? Mar 12 10:12:47 pupnik: the chill down emergency cooling failed when the batteries went flat. All other power sources got shaken or rinsed away Mar 12 10:13:15 merlin1991: X-Fade Mar 12 10:14:51 * merlin1991 pokes X-Fade Mar 12 10:15:03 pupnik: when the core evaporated all the cooling water and heated up the whole containment to several hundred degrees, the pressure got too high and the whole egg went pop Mar 12 10:16:07 pupnik: place an egg into your microwave and see what happens, quite similar effect :-D Mar 12 10:16:42 NO don't do that! it's actually dangerous Mar 12 10:29:56 Fukushima starts with f u k Mar 12 10:30:49 DocScrutinizer: do you know what a primary and secondary loop is? Mar 12 10:31:06 i worked on a nice animation for that in 1993 Mar 12 10:31:08 no 4 Mar 12 10:31:46 福島 Mar 12 11:22:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=F9tA3jxqKoA Sky news with some commentary to the explosion and a picture of which building blew -- that's not a core building apparently Mar 12 11:25:05 back Mar 12 11:26:21 * merlin1991 needs a little hint on where to find the statistics for a package on maemo.org Mar 12 11:40:42 pupnik: It is a core building. Mar 12 11:40:53 Here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/File:2011-03-12_1800_NHK_S%C5%8Dg%C5%8D_channel_news_program_screen_shot.jpg Mar 12 11:41:19 Also see news summary here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Fukushima_I_Nuclear_Power_Plant#2011_earthquake_events Mar 12 11:42:50 ohh Mar 12 11:45:13 merlin1991: what kind of stats Mar 12 11:45:26 dl stats Mar 12 11:45:31 It is the secondary containment hull, the one where they pumped all the radioactive gas from the primary hull Mar 12 11:50:11 RST38h: hola :) Mar 12 11:50:39 heya wazd Mar 12 11:53:28 * RST38h wonders why all the "serious" news agencies like CNN, BBC, etc are reusing NHK footage Mar 12 11:54:14 RST38h: would you *go* there to record stuff? Mar 12 11:54:36 kerio: Depends on the pay Mar 12 11:54:42 kerio: But yes, possibly. Mar 12 11:55:23 RST38h: why have you ignored meego conference? :) Mar 12 11:56:51 wazd: none of the nokia people I know were coming Mar 12 11:56:56 wazd: and had work to do =( Mar 12 11:57:26 RST38h: ah Mar 12 13:05:20 Morning, all Mar 12 13:05:30 er, af'noon here admittedly. Mar 12 13:11:45 hey Jaffa Mar 12 13:18:02 Jaffa: heya :) Mar 12 13:18:24 Jaffa: I was playing around a bit with CSSU icon Mar 12 13:18:37 Jaffa: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png Mar 12 13:19:28 wazd_: that looks awesome Mar 12 13:19:53 wazd_: yeah, that does look awesome Mar 12 13:22:25 cool :) Mar 12 13:24:50 i wonder if nokia was praying that htc got hit by a tsunami Mar 12 13:26:19 Macer: HTC is taiwan :) Mar 12 13:26:36 Need a bigger tsunami. Mar 12 13:26:44 Gotta get redmond too. Mar 12 13:32:57 hah Mar 12 13:33:08 redmond i would give you Mar 12 13:33:14 but htc isn't bad Mar 12 13:35:11 they don't make cool linux phones Mar 12 13:35:27 but apparently nokia does not intend to anymore either Mar 12 13:36:34 today i plan on breaking my pc while futzing with my n900 Mar 12 13:37:34 dangergrrl: that's not entirely true, they'll continue building a meego phone a year from what I can see. Mar 12 13:39:46 we shall see Mar 12 13:40:09 so is there anything more fun than breaking the n900? Mar 12 13:45:21 breaking in what way? Mar 12 13:46:14 physically obviously Mar 12 13:46:15 I find most fun in writing software to make it better. Mar 12 13:46:15 :p Mar 12 13:46:51 Building software is very rewarding I find. There's nothing quite like it. Mar 12 13:47:01 someone must be awfully rich to must break their n900 Mar 12 13:47:12 Sense of achievement when your plan comes together and it all starts working. Mar 12 13:47:38 I mean to physically break it Mar 12 13:52:08 china is our only hope Mar 12 13:53:06 anyone knows a fix for http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66376 ? Mar 12 13:53:08 if anyone is brave enough to invest about $1M in making a truly open phone based on something like maemo/meego, we are all saved Mar 12 13:53:23 openmoko does not qualify, sorry Mar 12 13:53:30 both from hardware and software viewpoint Mar 12 13:54:04 $1M will _not_ cover the software dev Mar 12 13:54:13 It's pretty optimistic for hw. Mar 12 13:54:18 And fairly small. Mar 12 13:54:18 $1M won't cover the fcc certification, will it Mar 12 13:54:25 dunno. Mar 12 13:54:44 kerio, screw it, maIl orders are ok Mar 12 13:55:04 as fake iphone manufacturers deal with it Mar 12 13:55:13 afaik, openpandora had much less amount of money and still ships devices Mar 12 13:55:15 Hardware is what is important, as long as it's capable of running MeeGo software isn't much of an issue. Mar 12 13:55:46 SpeedEvil, you overestimate. have a look at any chinese android model. Do you think every one has over $1M invested in it? Mar 12 13:56:22 Arkenoi: To make a new phone if you don't have an existing design team, and parts availability, yes. Mar 12 13:56:26 alterego, we still need somebody to do the port, i'd rather not expect it to be completely community driven Mar 12 13:56:56 SpeedEvil, there are parts for any taste, just they all do androids atm. Mar 12 13:57:11 Arkenoi: well, if it was a community driven device, like a pandaphone, then MeeGo would already work as is Mar 12 13:57:17 And very well. Mar 12 13:57:19 Arkenoi: By parts, I mean obtaining cellphone parts. Mar 12 13:57:29 $200 for 800x480 capacitive and 460MHz ARM with dual gsm radio and wifi is impressive Mar 12 13:57:44 All 3G vendors are basically completely uninterested in small orders (under 50K) Mar 12 13:57:56 This is a problem for small runs. Mar 12 13:58:20 yeah Mar 12 13:58:36 It's unfortunate really :) Mar 12 13:58:51 If you can get with a chinese vendor that's making 3G smartphones, and convince them to make you a custom model, which may involve no hardware mods - the cost may fall. Mar 12 13:59:04 * alterego wonders if mobile electronics will ever become more affordable. Mar 12 13:59:10 SpeedEvil, 2K units is fairly enough to be interesting for china manufacturers, as i was said. Mar 12 13:59:31 SpeedEvil, sure, that is the way to do. Mar 12 13:59:56 So, find a handset that has our specs, and get them to make a load with the ability to run and flash meego Mar 12 14:00:04 even more, you may take existing android design and just request improvements you need. Mar 12 14:00:09 So we'd need a flashing solution like nolo Mar 12 14:01:04 So someone would have to write a good bootloader/flashing solution Mar 12 14:01:05 The other issue is that a substantial portion of the reason I bought the n900 is the n. Mar 12 14:01:09 uboot may help Mar 12 14:01:15 now i am trying to find a guy with million bucks to spare :-) Mar 12 14:01:17 Or give us open access to jtag Mar 12 14:01:19 That is - I can walk into a nokia store, and start yelling. Mar 12 14:01:35 And they will have an actual warranty. Mar 12 14:02:07 Yeah, any decent device will cost about what you'd spend on a handset anyway, but without any kind of assurances. Mar 12 14:02:15 SpeedEvil, does not work in third world countries, like Russia. At all, i mean. Mar 12 14:02:24 Arkenoi: Sure. 'I'. Mar 12 14:02:35 I don't much care about people living in russia. Mar 12 14:02:43 (from a POV of their warranty issues) Mar 12 14:02:47 otoh, there's some cool efforts on getting MeeGo on android phones. Mar 12 14:02:54 yeah Mar 12 14:03:04 So buy an Android phone and stick MeeGo on it :) Mar 12 14:03:42 alterego, url? :-) Mar 12 14:03:53 Android devices aren't gonna die anytime soon, we get good hardware specs at the most competitively priced we can get. Mar 12 14:05:02 Or, maybe we could show a manufacturer like Samsung, or HTC that there is huge interest in a hacker phone that will run MeeGo, even if it's stock built with Android Mar 12 14:05:11 Unfortunately, third-line makers don't really get the whole open-source thing. Mar 12 14:05:18 GPL-violations ar emore common than not Mar 12 14:05:41 So we say, can you make one of your handsets a little more friendly to us hacking MeeGo on it. Mar 12 14:06:09 It'd be hard to ignore if there was enough interest Mar 12 14:06:19 Sure. Mar 12 14:06:38 And you're not asking for too much either, so it may have a good chance. Mar 12 14:07:12 argh Mar 12 14:07:13 SpeedEvil, yep, chinese guys require some extreme communication skill to force them to make something open for you Mar 12 14:07:24 http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash Mar 12 14:07:33 i'm trying solution #6 Mar 12 14:07:48 SpeedEvil, they are even worse than big corporations in that sometimes Mar 12 14:08:04 We should look at the different Android devices and see whos' devices meet our requirements best Mar 12 14:08:36 You really also probably need a native speaker. Mar 12 14:08:43 I'd vote TI based OMAP core, as TI are friendly to MeeGo and we have a lot of good work going on there already. Mar 12 14:08:53 The only good thing is that they are greedy. Show them live money and tell someone else will get if if they are not going to be cooperative and they probably will. Or someone else will :-) Mar 12 14:08:59 dmesg gives me: http://paste.pocoo.org/show/352408/ Mar 12 14:09:08 SpeedEvil, sure. Mar 12 14:09:08 Keeping the hardware as "generic" as possible is a good idea. Mar 12 14:09:18 am i missing some driver i need? Mar 12 14:09:25 (on the pc end) Mar 12 14:14:42 Probably, what are you doing? Mar 12 14:14:51 (and i still need to accomplish by quest A: "get encryption usable on maemo/meego, given i do not have budget to hire a software development company, but just barely enough to pay individuals who are willing to" Mar 12 14:14:54 ) Mar 12 14:15:43 turned out to be *much* more complicated than i expected, despite the fact it is not the first project like that i managed and previous ones were successfull Mar 12 14:22:34 http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd Mar 12 14:22:40 i'm trying to do that Mar 12 14:22:59 when i enable usb mass storage mode lsusb on my pc hangs Mar 12 14:23:17 Nokia made Maemo to be extremely hard to live with without Nokia, I hope Meego handset will be usable without proprietary components. Mar 12 15:27:52 Cult of Apple is scary Mar 12 15:29:02 "OK, run through the middle of all the store employees and we'll clap, cheer and give you high-fives for buying a piece of plastic, metal and silicon." Mar 12 15:31:03 you can't even change the battery Mar 12 15:31:06 apple nowadays makes a great laptop, a great all-in-one computer, a cute-but-better-alternatives-exist htpc, and a shitton of crap Mar 12 15:31:31 oh wait, there's also the mac pro Mar 12 15:32:35 wget http://repo.meego.com/MeeGo/releases/1.2/core/repos/armv7l/packages/armv7l/nokia-n900-rescue-initrd-0.2.2-8.35.armv7l.rpm Mar 12 15:32:36 appears to be the latest rescue initrd Mar 12 15:33:03 battery ran down trying to get the older one to work, waiting to have some charge Mar 12 15:33:05 kerio, which'd be excellent if the GPUs weren't always a generation old. Mar 12 15:33:39 Be nice if somebody made laptops like Apple. Mar 12 15:34:17 sony :P Mar 12 15:34:42 cehteh: there's not even a comparison there Mar 12 15:34:47 vaios are absolute crap Mar 12 15:34:53 it would be nice if i could afford a panasonic toughbook Mar 12 15:35:13 hehe iirc sony is the only other manufacturer which uses some unibody like producing process Mar 12 15:35:45 but well i have a hp with a moulded metall casing, and its extremely rigid too .. so i dont want sony or apple crap Mar 12 15:36:25 compaq 2510p .. rated as "build like a tank" :) Mar 12 15:36:47 * GAN900 is with kerio Mar 12 15:36:57 Sony is just junky like the rest. Mar 12 15:37:12 yes .. like apple :P Mar 12 15:37:23 toughbooks are not junky, just expensive Mar 12 15:37:26 Bigger issue is the terrible TN displays everybody else ships. Mar 12 15:37:39 but indestructable Mar 12 15:37:46 and ugly as sin. Mar 12 15:38:07 i dont care about uglyness .. endurance and robustness are the things i need Mar 12 15:38:26 Some of the field research Toughbooks the USGS guys here use are obscenely messed up. Still work fine, though. Mar 12 15:38:38 apple has some nice features .. like the backlight keyboard which doesnt accumulate breadcrumbs .. Mar 12 15:39:00 but otherwise its 90% bling bling Mar 12 15:39:00 cehteh: well my mbp fell from 1.2m on its angle and all that happened was that there's now a dent on the chassis Mar 12 15:39:07 heh Mar 12 15:39:23 for a laptop TN is good enough imo .. i rarely watch from wide angles on a laptop Mar 12 15:39:38 it's like that slashdot article about the cracking competition -- "mbp fell first" -> "must have been because the crackers wanted to get it as prize!" Mar 12 15:39:42 kerio: my hp fell that way and there is no dent Mar 12 15:39:47 cehteh, not when the top and bottom of the screen are different colors. Mar 12 15:39:48 cool Mar 12 15:40:09 GAN900: yes there are differences in TN too .. some are really ugly Mar 12 15:40:42 for somethink like and tablet (which you rotate) or a big screen IPS is definately a big plus Mar 12 15:40:52 That MeeGoConf Lenovo is so bad you can't use it as a tablet. Mar 12 15:41:04 but in case of my 12" latop you hardly see any color differences Mar 12 15:41:34 That new Lenovo 12.5" with the IPS looks interesting. Mar 12 15:41:43 tablet? Mar 12 15:42:19 anything you rotate or watch from different angles is certainly much better when its an IPS ... but for a normal ultraportable laptop, there is no need Mar 12 15:44:58 http://www.notebookreview.com/default.asp?newsID=3905 i would admit my laptop is ugly .. but its now few years old and the keyboard shows wear signs, otherwise its in absolutely good condition no scratches and bends .. and i am a rough laptop user, my former one with a plastic body broke in the middle after 1,5 years Mar 12 15:45:13 (often carry it on bike) Mar 12 15:45:31 cehteh, tell that to the TN on my Mini 9. Mar 12 15:49:04 thats a cheap netbook or? Mar 12 15:50:42 .. well and cheap netbooks are cheap netbooks, you shouldnt compare that with business notebooks Mar 12 15:54:14 anybody know how i can manually change the ring tone on my N900 , i have reflashed multiple times and its suck on the default nokia tone, i have changed it in the profiles and even used mp3 files Mar 12 15:54:48 you reflashed multiple times for a ringtone? :< Mar 12 15:56:15 an0therb0x: so you change the ringing tone under settings->profiles, but nothing changes? Mar 12 15:56:28 I got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters) Mar 12 15:58:12 BCMM : that is correct, i can not stand the default nokia tone Mar 12 15:58:59 one of the reasons i got a n900 it it seemed like it would be more protectable like camping out on the beach and such Mar 12 15:59:23 BCMM: right now the tone selected shows "Temporal" Mar 12 15:59:25 only need a small plastic bag to cover it from wet Mar 12 16:02:15 an0therb0x: do you have any of those profile-management applications installed? Mar 12 16:02:24 the ones that let you have more than two profiles and so on? Mar 12 16:03:50 ok Mar 12 16:04:08 BCMM: i am back to "factory" install now Mar 12 16:04:18 the meego 1.0 nor 1.1 rootfs recovery images give me a working usb device Mar 12 16:08:00 the 1.1 version won't load the modules Mar 12 16:11:18 user____: I ghosted user Mar 12 16:12:06 I got a music streaming side is there a way to write plugins for the media player that I can search and strean music from it? (I wrote a python library for starters) Mar 12 16:12:27 k lolcat Mar 12 16:12:47 could have thought so need to change my irssi config Mar 12 16:12:59 I did it so you could use user Mar 12 16:14:05 lolcat: thank you but I think I will now leave this name I dislike being called user Mar 12 16:14:21 got a hilight on thomas too Mar 12 16:14:55 * dm8tbr too, JFTR Mar 12 16:16:19 so lolcat any ideas how to easily include some streaming sides with search in the n900?I tried to find some useful things but google wasn't helping at all Mar 12 16:16:48 No idea, wich ones? Mar 12 16:17:13 gonna try the latest 1.1.90 Mar 12 16:20:43 dangergrrl, check qa first and see what works Mar 12 16:20:57 dangergrrl: http://qa-reports.meego.com/ Mar 12 16:41:27 ; Mar 12 16:42:17 ~ping Mar 12 16:42:18 ~pong Mar 12 16:58:00 wtf? Mar 12 16:58:03 chrome for linux ad Mar 12 16:58:18 in a sense, this is probably the first ad I ever see for Linux software. Mar 12 16:59:14 Hehe Mar 12 17:23:13 heh, gtk bindings for qt/c++ =) Mar 12 17:23:18 http://live.gnome.org/GObjectIntrospection/GObjectConsume Mar 12 17:25:52 javispedro: so... the beginning of the end? Mar 12 17:25:59 gtk needs to be abolished Mar 12 17:26:39 maybe we should send in the old school catholic church and have them burn all memories of gtk Mar 12 17:30:00 hmm Mar 12 17:30:22 is there something like nohup that doesn't redirect output? Mar 12 17:30:55 basically, I want wget to stay alive even if my ssh session dies Mar 12 17:31:19 Anyone know the about:config value offhand to enable flash in fennec on the N900? Mar 12 17:32:33 MohammadAG: you might want to look into GNU screen... be warned it is the swiss army knife of this kind of stuff. Mar 12 17:33:20 MohammadAG: launch wget from inside a screen session on the remote server Mar 12 17:34:01 you can even do multiplayer wget Mar 12 17:34:05 its such a blast Mar 12 17:35:45 hmm, so screen keeps running even if the ssh session dies? Mar 12 17:36:25 screen could be best explained as some kind of xvnc for your terminal... Mar 12 17:36:32 MohammadAG: yes Mar 12 17:36:35 MohammadAG: yeah, you can have 0 to lots of "connections" to th session Mar 12 17:36:44 and it keeps running Mar 12 17:37:05 I assume I don't need to specify the session when I want to reconnect to it right? Mar 12 17:37:11 just run screen as the same user Mar 12 17:37:14 yeah Mar 12 17:37:24 and you can do screen -x sessionname to attach again Mar 12 17:37:34 easier is to launch with screen -S sessionname Mar 12 17:37:51 so it dont autogenerate annoying names Mar 12 17:38:01 if you have just one session running, screen -x will do Mar 12 17:38:15 hah Mar 12 17:38:17 i got it Mar 12 17:39:30 the doc says you have to --enable-rd-mode, this is false, you must --disable-rd-mode when you use flasher to boot the meego 1.0 rootfs image, then hit u and you can use gparted on a pc to repartition Mar 12 17:39:35 MohammadAG: if you only have one session running, you don't need to specify Mar 12 17:40:00 MohammadAG: screen -x is great; if you have only a single session running, it will connect to it without asking any questions Mar 12 17:40:05 aye Mar 12 17:40:08 and without disconnecting any existing clients Mar 12 17:40:21 it does keep the termsize of the first one to login to it tho Mar 12 17:40:41 so it's possible to view the same shell on, for example, your n900 and your desktop over ssh Mar 12 17:41:02 i use screen and irssi Mar 12 17:41:13 so i can login to the same irssi session from anywhere Mar 12 17:41:35 cool, thanks Mar 12 17:41:42 MohammadAG: a note about terminology: screen also supports multiple "windows", in a single session Mar 12 17:41:51 even split windows! Mar 12 17:41:58 iirc Mar 12 17:42:14 with the key combo "C-a a" working a bit like alt-tab Mar 12 17:42:32 each window can run a different shell or command Mar 12 17:42:44 new users sometimes get confused between windows and sessions Mar 12 17:42:48 just watch out that you dont go about starting screen sessions in screen sessions Mar 12 17:42:55 yo dawg Mar 12 17:42:58 although you probably will start nesting them horrible at one point Mar 12 17:42:59 we all do Mar 12 17:43:10 lol Mar 12 17:43:17 anyway, tmux > screen Mar 12 17:43:20 it lets you? Mar 12 17:43:21 it's just less common Mar 12 17:43:27 BCMM: sure Mar 12 17:43:27 BCMM: sure, why not Mar 12 17:43:38 like VNC Mar 12 17:43:42 on gentoo, the default config won't let you attach from inside a screen Mar 12 17:43:59 i've done it while nesting SSH sessions though Mar 12 17:44:30 remembering how many times to press "a" when trying to pass a command down the stack is amusing Mar 12 17:44:34 * MohammadAG can nest screen sessions on Ubuntu Mar 12 17:45:04 MohammadAG: if you mean running "screen" in a screen session, that's just a shortcut to making a new window Mar 12 17:45:16 (at least on my version) Mar 12 17:45:42 ctrl-a space to switch to the old one Mar 12 17:46:06 (when i said ctrl-a a was the combo, that was a typo. that's the combo to send an actual ctrl-a to the window) Mar 12 17:46:31 hmm, so how does one nest them? Mar 12 17:46:43 if i do screen -x (to make it clear that i don't want a new window) inside a session, i get "Attaching from inside of screen?", and nothing happens Mar 12 17:49:17 oh, it's not a config thing. it's just screen -x inside screen that it doesn't like Mar 12 17:49:33 heh Mar 12 17:49:56 MohammadAG: one way is to start another session from an ordinary terminal, detach (C-a d), then screen -r from the sessions you want to nest in Mar 12 17:50:03 but if i were you, i wouldn't... Mar 12 17:50:11 well, that was painful Mar 12 17:50:15 it gets kinda funky Mar 12 17:51:04 but i can verify http://wiki.maemo.org/Repartitioning_the_flash option #6 works but only if you change --enable-rd-mode to --disable-rd-mode Mar 12 17:52:01 anyway, i've always just run one session at a time, possibly with several windows Mar 12 17:52:38 i'm wondering if i shouldn't have made swap larger while i was at it though Mar 12 17:53:11 there is a set of parameters you can pass which will connect to the running session or start a new session if there isn't one; it can be quite useful to have a button that starts xterm with that command as the shell Mar 12 17:53:36 R&D mode doesn't affect partitioning Mar 12 17:53:48 I've been in R&D mode since April Mar 12 17:54:03 it affects whether the disks show up from that kernel Mar 12 17:54:10 no Mar 12 17:54:19 MeeGo initrd? Mar 12 17:54:24 with rd mode lspci was locking Mar 12 17:54:28 yes Mar 12 17:54:34 it can't export the eMMC unless you pull the battery for some reason Mar 12 17:54:42 otherwise it doesn't create dev nodes Mar 12 17:54:54 yo Mar 12 17:55:02 I guess you going into flashing mode "simulated" the battery removal, so you blamed it on R&D mode :p Mar 12 17:55:04 n900 rulz Mar 12 17:55:19 i removed the battery like 10 times Mar 12 17:55:21 when are pr1.4 is coming out? Mar 12 17:56:07 i was giving up and followed the comment at the end to be sure and disable rd mode Mar 12 17:56:20 hit u once more for grins and it worked Mar 12 17:56:46 who here knows about dbus-scripts? Mar 12 17:58:03 dbus-script settings matches wlan disconnect to wlan IDLE. Unfortunatley wlan IDLE occours all the time in Power saving mode Mar 12 17:58:33 what message do i use to run a script on disconnect? Mar 12 18:13:55 when are pr1.4 is coming out? <-- seriously, you're still expecting one? Mar 12 18:18:28 jhey Mar 12 18:18:31 I could see one. Mar 12 18:18:35 however with Qt only changes. Mar 12 18:19:15 (and nothing, absolutely nothing more) Mar 12 18:20:06 hmm what is a watercooled gtx 285 worth? Mar 12 18:20:35 why the fuck would an operator change its name Mar 12 18:20:45 It changed on my N900 and N8 so far... Mar 12 18:21:14 operators are evil bastards, you know. Mar 12 18:21:34 my operator can still get 17% tax if my bill's 0 Mar 12 18:24:01 javispedro: actually, i half expected one of those Mar 12 18:24:40 but only if the version of Qt in hypothetical device is not at the same middle version as pr1.3 Mar 12 18:24:48 e.g. 4.8 v 4.7 Mar 12 18:27:00 MohammadAG: hahahaha Mar 12 18:27:16 MohammadAG: isn't that $0? Mar 12 18:29:44 i should have asked this Mar 12 18:30:14 how much space do i need in /home to actually compile things on the n900 itself? Mar 12 18:30:23 and do i need to expand the swap area too? Mar 12 18:30:24 i wonder if they sent him a bill with a due date of $0.00 Mar 12 18:34:20 Moo, all Mar 12 18:34:27 javispedro: heya Mar 12 18:35:23 Macer, not with my operator Mar 12 18:35:25 17% of 0 can make up quite a large number Mar 12 18:35:36 cd po && $(MAKE) DESTDIR=debian/status-area-orientationlock-applet install <-- doesn't this look right? Mar 12 18:37:15 moo RST38h Mar 12 18:38:06 dangergrrl: do you have a power adapter handy? Mar 12 18:38:13 if not, you'll need it Mar 12 18:38:24 at which point, just use something else Mar 12 18:40:22 i don't have an actual power adapter that the n900 likes Mar 12 18:40:35 only the usb cable Mar 12 18:41:50 i will be getting one that works though, i'll be doing some long rides and need to charge from my motorcycle, bought one, it just provides 12v across the usb power lines, n900 doesn't like it Mar 12 18:41:56 dangergrrl: actually swap is way too large with 768MB. Making it even larger doesn't help Mar 12 18:42:46 you obviously can't compile a lot of things native then Mar 12 18:43:32 dangergrrl, eek, a USB lead that sends 12v down it? Mar 12 18:43:40 that does not sound healthy Mar 12 18:43:52 that for sure IS not healthy Mar 12 18:45:03 i cannot find a non-horrible car charger Mar 12 18:45:07 my moto phone doesn't like it either Mar 12 18:45:12 i'm on the verge of actually buying a Nokia one Mar 12 18:45:36 but the moto phone won't charge from anything that won't send it some specific usb greeting Mar 12 18:45:37 there needs to be a fancy sticker or logo for stuff that's compatible with the standard charging interface Mar 12 18:45:44 "I don't like that" said the dude when shot into the head Mar 12 18:45:45 if there is already, people need to bloody well use it Mar 12 18:46:24 i'm gonna have to try the charger my sister got at radio shack for $5 for her android phone Mar 12 18:46:41 BCMM: that's the USB2 sticker Mar 12 18:47:23 the moto charger won't charge the n900 either i think it only sends power to devices it likes Mar 12 18:47:49 dangergrrl: you're aware you're risking a 500$ device by trying to save some bucks on a proper charger? Mar 12 18:48:29 DocScrutinizer: i don't mean ordinary USB2 power, i mean the battery charging spec Mar 12 18:49:09 dangergrrl: and no, (USB) chargers never decide whether or not to send power. There's simply 2 or 3 different signalling methods to tell the device about the charger's capabilities Mar 12 18:49:38 BCMM: the charging spec is a supplement of USB2.0 Mar 12 18:50:12 is it now required for something to be called "USB2.0"? Mar 12 18:50:27 and what about stuff that dates from before that spec, etc. Mar 12 18:50:35 actually USB2-OTG I guess Mar 12 18:51:24 presumably, the only safe ways to do a completely "dumb" charger are to do no negotiation, causing devices to assume they can't draw more than the minimum current the USB spec allows, or short d+ and d- like the newish standard says? Mar 12 18:51:29 BCMM: I'm not Jesus, don't ask me about the fate of all the billion USB devices built to date Mar 12 18:52:15 http://lcd.satgnu.net/pics/n900/20110228_002.jpg Mar 12 18:52:30 BCMM: well, that's kinda exactly what most devices do, and the #1 method as of USB charging supplement specs Mar 12 18:52:34 see, that's why chargers need a pretty sticker that means "D+ shorted to D- inside", and the maximum power they'll provide in practise next to it Mar 12 18:53:14 no need for the second half. Just make sure the charger can supply *enough* power Mar 12 18:53:17 Lava_Croft: presumably, that's to make it legal to install OS X? :) Mar 12 18:53:40 where "enough" for sure is met with 2A chargers Mar 12 18:54:05 uh, what i meant was that it's not always easy to identify the 2A chargers Mar 12 18:54:35 why would you want to "identify" them? Mar 12 18:54:56 TO know wich one to use Mar 12 18:55:07 so i can buy a charger that will cause the remaining battery life to increase instead of decrease slightly slower. Mar 12 18:55:23 wazd_: Nice Mar 12 18:55:29 errr, mhm Mar 12 18:55:33 btw, anyone know how iWhatever USB charging works? when using an actual USB cable, does it follow that spec? Mar 12 18:56:00 can i just buy an "iphone car charger" Mar 12 18:56:10 BCMM: actually all my chargers have some writing on them saying " nnnn mA max." Mar 12 18:56:13 (i've seen ones that have a USB port instead of an apple connector) Mar 12 18:56:28 DocScrutinizer: was it visible when they were in the box? Mar 12 18:56:47 on the box it's written in way larger letters Mar 12 18:57:14 well, you've met less stupid manufacturers than me i guess :) Mar 12 18:57:17 BCMM: I believe the N900 is more strict than the normal "USB car chargers" implement Mar 12 18:57:46 I'd never consider to buy a charger that's so crappy it not even mentions the voltage, accuracy +-%, and current Mar 12 18:57:57 DocScrutinizer: my point exactly... Mar 12 18:58:07 that's what I told dangergrrl Mar 12 18:58:31 maybe i'll just look at the official nokia car chargers Mar 12 18:58:38 don't save a few bucks on charger! 12V will most likely kill your 500$ device Mar 12 18:58:41 anyone know what the cig plugs on those are like? Mar 12 18:58:44 wazd_, ping Mar 12 18:58:55 i.e. do they fall out of the socket in teh even of the car actually moving? Mar 12 18:59:29 er Mar 12 18:59:49 i have never had an issue with any charger for then900 Mar 12 19:00:06 except one that didn't seem to have enough juice to charge it Mar 12 19:03:19 usb chargers are commodity items, i expected it to just work Mar 12 19:03:40 * timeless_xchat chuckles Mar 12 19:04:08 dangergrrl: USB never been meant to get abused as charger plug Mar 12 19:04:34 may I say the EU sucks for enforcing that? Mar 12 19:04:50 may I say the Chinese were first to enforce it Mar 12 19:05:53 and may I say Motorola did a hell of a job to invent new bizarre ways to abuse USB receptacles for things the never were meant for Mar 12 19:06:17 mohammadag : eu just sucks Mar 12 19:06:18 perhaps not but car usb chargers are still a very common item thses days, they have them at the auto parts store and the grocery store Mar 12 19:06:45 so what? Mar 12 19:07:14 "commodity" usb hardware - typically horrid Mar 12 19:07:23 if it's anything more complicated than a cable Mar 12 19:07:35 (e.g. unbranded hubs) Mar 12 19:08:12 meh noone wants to talk to me or answer me, going to drink and play ps3 Mar 12 19:09:24 ZogG: go sleep Mar 12 19:09:28 i should just amazon a nokia car charger Mar 12 19:09:43 they aren't even expensive just have to click and wait Mar 12 19:10:40 dangergrrl: any good quality charger with D+/- shorted (either OOTB or by a freind who knows how to connect two wires, preferably by soldering) will do Mar 12 19:11:25 though actually Nokia USB chargers explicitly compatible with N900 aren't more then a few bucks Mar 12 19:11:59 +delivery... Mar 12 19:12:15 +waiting Mar 12 19:12:24 and i keep not ordering one online Mar 12 19:12:42 iirc, my local nokia shop didn't stock nokia car chargers for the n900 Mar 12 19:12:53 and then i saw one at the auto parts store when i was getting stuff for my motorcycle Mar 12 19:13:40 i'm actually procrastinating right now, i have to ride to the honda dealer to get an air cleaner and it's 30 miles and i want to stream pandora without my battery dieing :) Mar 12 19:18:49 http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/ http://www.usb.org/developers/docs/usb_20_021411.zip USB 2.0 Link Power Management Addendum Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 specification as of July 16, 2007. // Suspend Current Limit Changes Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of April 9, 2008 // 5V Short Circuit Withstand Requirement Change Engineering Change Notice to the USB 2.0 Specification as of December 22, 2008 Mar 12 19:18:51 // MicroUSB Micro-B ID Pin Resistance and Tolerance stack-up between D+ and D- Engineering Change Notice to the MicroUSB Specification to the USB 2.0 Specification, Revision 1.01 as of December 22, 2008 // On-The-Go and Embedded Host Supplement to the USB 2.0 Specification, Revision 2.0 Plus Errata and ECN as of July 26, 2010 // Mar 12 19:21:50 CS Profs Debate Role of Math In CS Education Mar 12 19:22:17 * RST38h cackles: yes, yes, graduate more dumb people, give 'em degrees... Mar 12 19:23:19 'but i don't need math for my php server and visual basic scripts' Mar 12 19:24:31 http://www.usb.org/search?method=and&format=builtin-long&sort=score&words=charging // PDF Document USB_for_Portable_Devices_FINAL.pdf* // PDF Document USB_OTG_and_EH_2-0.pdf // et al Mar 12 19:26:33 PDF Document otgc1_2.pdf* >>Correct TD.6.13 and TD.6.16 per OTG F2F Meeting Updated Battery Charging<< Mar 12 19:29:27 and yes, it's a mess those docs convolute - I guess you all are aware we got no OTG just because even Nokia gave up on trying to meet all the requirements put up by usb.org, and as they needed charging they decided to sacrifice OTG Mar 12 19:30:30 DocScrutinizer, other recent nok phones have charging and otg though. Mar 12 19:31:09 other recent phones maybe got a tad more recent hardware Mar 12 19:31:14 hmm Mar 12 19:31:29 DocScrutinizer, possibly Mar 12 19:31:37 what's the state of the council nominations if only one person is running Mar 12 19:32:12 I gather everything got postponed by one or two weeks? Mar 12 19:35:58 So, who is that lone lo^H^Hhero? Mar 12 19:38:16 I gather bad times ahead :P Mar 12 19:39:21 RST38h: SD69 Mar 12 19:41:09 what's good is smoku's move to get hildon running on meego Mar 12 19:41:26 Ah, an N800 guy... Mar 12 19:41:51 pupnik: yea, hildon+meego+dellstreak = some coolness Mar 12 19:41:55 MohammadAG: I considered this scenario when setting up the council. If fewer than 5 candidates stand, there're clauses which deal with it. One of them being that the nomination time is extended (with the implicit assumption that the council would drum up more people). If there are still insufficient people then the current Council and qgil can do anything: nothing is ruled in or out. Mar 12 19:42:16 RST38h: Who, IIRC, believes the forums are king. Mar 12 19:43:00 Jaffa: Can't argue on this point:forums are the only remaining lively part of Maemo"ecosystem" Mar 12 19:43:36 "and qgil can do anything"? Mar 12 19:44:02 javispedro: "the current Council and qgil can [decide to] do anything" Mar 12 19:44:17 ah :P Mar 12 19:44:30 RST38h: It's a crap way of distributing software Mar 12 19:45:19 Jaffa: Nah,definitely not a way to distribute software Mar 12 19:45:26 javispedro: e.g. install a benevolent dictator, disband the Council, continue the current Council for 6 months, hand-pick a Council, try the election again, ... Mar 12 19:45:37 Jaffa: But I can understand why SD69 prefers it: the guy is still using N800 Mar 12 19:46:03 or even 770... Mar 12 19:46:06 I like the idea of dictatorship Mar 12 19:46:09 :P Mar 12 19:46:20 haven't you been bombed yet? Mar 12 19:46:29 Dictatorship with no subjects, yes Mar 12 19:46:35 heh Mar 12 19:46:37 yep Mar 12 19:46:47 hehe Mar 12 19:46:57 the king of the toilet, as we use to say here. Mar 12 19:47:43 MohammadAG: They could be called "Supreme Chancellor", and then establish a dwindling G"Empire" Mar 12 19:47:50 doc: Depending on where MohammadAG is at the moment, he has a choice of being bombed by either 1) a democratic republic or 2) a religious cleptocracy Mar 12 19:47:58 javispedro: man, if my toilet was producing oil I'd be fine with that Mar 12 19:48:04 doc:Few of us have such a freedom of choice... Mar 12 19:48:07 i would welcome some people leaving the forums Mar 12 19:48:11 3) or myself Mar 12 19:48:20 That is always an option, yes Mar 12 19:48:25 RST38h: hmmm, I get that number 2 is the USA, who's number 1 in that list? Mar 12 19:48:26 doc|home: If your toilet was producing oil, you should stop eating cars. Mar 12 19:48:32 MohammadAG: just one of the wonderful things you can with an overclocked n900. Mar 12 19:48:34 Jaffa: haha Mar 12 19:48:39 doc: No, you have not got it at all, sorry Mar 12 19:48:49 BCMM, or an inflated battery Mar 12 19:48:53 (which I have 3x of) Mar 12 19:48:55 RST38h: haven't I? have you not been paying attention to the last 30 years? Mar 12 19:49:10 MohammadAG: wtf do you do to the poor things? Mar 12 19:49:21 or is that just what happens in warmer parts of the world? Mar 12 19:49:32 nah, I think they're bad batches Mar 12 19:49:37 the last one looks fake tbh Mar 12 19:49:50 the other ones were recalled by Nokia, 6610 times Mar 12 19:49:59 6680* Mar 12 19:50:30 any of you guys have a screen that has got two bright dots in it? Mar 12 19:50:41 not the lcd, but the backlight probably Mar 12 19:50:45 mine has 800x480 bright dots Mar 12 19:51:02 it's pretty annoying. i'm afraid to send mine in for a rma, i heard they're not returning the same phone anymore? Mar 12 19:51:05 my screen has hotspots, I just ignore them Mar 12 19:51:18 my previous screen was perfect Mar 12 19:51:23 no blunders whatever Mar 12 19:51:25 this one is ass Mar 12 20:06:52 Ovi store update on the N8, 4MBs, it's been 5 minutes... Mar 12 20:08:53 MohammadAG: heya Mar 12 20:09:22 MohammadAG: for downloading or installing? Mar 12 20:09:31 MohammadAG: I've been working on CSSU icon, what do you think: http://s39.radikal.ru/i083/1103/cf/eb969ae58164.png Mar 12 20:09:50 korhojoa: yeah after I sent in my old phone with a broken usb, I got a new one with two bright backlight dots Mar 12 20:09:59 wazd_, it looks awesome :D Mar 12 20:10:01 Hi, are there any /software/ errors that can cause the n810 to reboot upon scanning for wireless networks? Mine hangs, and then reboots whenever scanning for wireless networks (rendering it rather useless). I suspect it could be the hw, though I'd like to check around first Mar 12 20:10:02 wazd_: imgur or gtfo Mar 12 20:10:07 frals, downloading :) Mar 12 20:11:00 wazd_, I'll have it in the next update, just wondering, should I also use it for the About Community SSU part? Mar 12 20:14:46 hi all once again ! Mar 12 20:15:07 do someone know hwo to install nitdroid? just to test Mar 12 20:16:32 tmo knows Mar 12 20:17:11 can you make phone calls with nitdroid? Mar 12 20:17:42 I am trying to use cfdisk on the maemo and it doesnt work ... onlsy sfdik ??? why ? Mar 12 20:19:33 no idea Mar 12 20:20:06 hmmm qt has gtk flg support Mar 12 20:20:33 does "not work" mean it's not installed? Mar 12 20:21:07 I seem to recall I installed it and it worked as expected Mar 12 20:22:21 kpoman: NB *UN*installing nitdroid seems to be way more problematic than installing it Mar 12 20:29:22 DocScrutinizer: I dont understand the multiboot part Mar 12 20:30:18 that's exactly the problematic part Mar 12 20:31:20 as it is messing around with maemo to get nitdroid working, and on uninstalling nitdroid you easily render maemo broken and need to reflash Mar 12 20:46:48 DocScrutinizer: but is maemo based on lilo, grub or something else nokia-propietary ? Mar 12 20:47:22 there's no lilo and there's no grub Mar 12 20:47:32 maemo is based on NOLO as far as bootloader is concerned Mar 12 20:47:43 and generally i think of lilo/grub as loaders for x86 Mar 12 20:47:51 multiboot is a nasty hack to reflash the kernel during boot Mar 12 20:48:12 before boot, preinit Mar 12 20:48:34 quite a nice hack, if it didn't flash the kernel but loaded it instead Mar 12 20:48:35 meego is using uBoot for a real bootloader chainloaded by NOLO and starting up either maemo or meego Mar 12 20:48:55 but yeah, uboot dpes that well Mar 12 20:48:59 does even Mar 12 20:50:36 while that multiboot, as MohammadAG said, is messing with maemo init process, and deinstalling nitdroid tends to break maemo's init as essential parts of multiboot get removed or messed up Mar 12 20:51:31 Is there any way I can install the base firmware image onto a sd card and boot from that? I'm beginning to think the internal memory card of my n810 is broken, because it keeps randomly rebooting Mar 12 20:52:43 what does cat /proc/bootreason output? Mar 12 20:53:27 will try to see if I can get that read on the next reboot, it just did it again. One moment Mar 12 20:55:19 Zero_Dogg: mine does as well Mar 12 20:55:46 usual bootreason: watchdog Mar 12 20:56:04 [TSA will] retest every full-body X-ray scanner that emits ionizing radiation 247 machines at 38 airports after maintenance records on some of the devices showed radiation levels 10 times higher than expected. The TSA says that the records reflect math mistakes and that all the machines are safe. Mar 12 20:56:16 now it's stuck in a reboot loop again so can't get to the xterm before it reboots, I'll try reflashing again and see if I can't get to it then Mar 12 20:56:21 Math. CS people do not need it. Mar 12 20:57:18 RST38h: since when are X-ray scanners used for body scans at airports? o.O Mar 12 20:57:35 DocScrutinizer, they installed them a few years ago Mar 12 20:58:00 FFS I'd not even allow my doctor to do a full bodyscan with X-ray Mar 12 20:58:05 Doc: Since that guy trying to transport a bomb in his underwear Mar 12 20:58:34 Doc: Well, then you probably do not want to go to US nowadays Mar 12 20:58:52 WHO recommendations are to keep those to not more than once per year afaik Mar 12 20:59:15 Unless you enjoy dumb overweight men pulling you by the balls. Mar 12 20:59:57 * lcuk does not mind airport security - I note many more airports are doing blended checks around people which is good Mar 12 21:00:16 ie multiple phased stages through Mar 12 21:01:09 I hope they issue a proper radiation dosage report to every passenger scanned this way, so the med doctor knows what's permissible for further examination of cancer, broken bones etc, during the next 12 months Mar 12 21:01:29 Yea, right Mar 12 21:02:35 airport security is meh Mar 12 21:02:43 especially around here Mar 12 21:04:12 ~ping Mar 12 21:04:13 ~pong Mar 12 21:05:12 MohammadAG: /proc/bootreason says "32wd to" Mar 12 21:06:11 32watchdog_timeout Mar 12 21:06:23 same here Mar 12 21:06:54 anyone here successfully using pidgin OTR on the n900? Mar 12 21:08:20 javispedro claims that timeout is caused by N810's nasty bme, which would of course mean those reboots may happen only when hooked up to charger Mar 12 21:08:57 well, mine happens whenever. Usually when it does something networky, like scan for wireless networks or attempt to bring usb networking up Mar 12 21:10:11 mhm, that's in line with my suspicions Mar 12 21:10:46 MohammadAG: well, you can use it wherever you want :) Mar 12 21:10:50 wlan driver always been my prime suspect Mar 12 21:11:13 renders my device pretty much useless Mar 12 21:11:43 anyway, since battery swap mine seems to behave a bit better, but that might be placebo effect Mar 12 21:11:46 MohammadAG: though I forgot where to get vector logo, .png one has a bit rough edges Mar 12 21:12:58 I never understood the difference between scalar and vector graphics :P Mar 12 21:13:21 wb javispedro Mar 12 21:13:35 huh? Mar 12 21:13:53 one is a grid of pixels, and therefore goes blocky when you zoom in and uses loads of storage Mar 12 21:14:01 MohammadAG: same as me with C++ and Javascript :D Mar 12 21:14:08 the other instead stores instructions like "put a line here and a circle there" Mar 12 21:14:09 lol Mar 12 21:14:10 scalar graphics?? .oO(???) Mar 12 21:14:12 and therefore scales Mar 12 21:14:29 heh, i automatically corrected that to "raster" in my head... Mar 12 21:14:32 what? Mar 12 21:15:09 clearly, scaler graphics are like one-dimensional vector graphics. Mar 12 21:15:10 so vector ones can scale as much as I want without looking crappy? Mar 12 21:15:17 MohammadAG: within reason, yes Mar 12 21:15:37 MohammadAG: i mean, there exist SVG maps (as in of the world) which will be hopelessly inaccurate when zoomed Mar 12 21:15:44 what are scalar graphics? Mar 12 21:15:45 but at least they won't be blocky Mar 12 21:15:51 MohammadAG, yes, you can zoom in on a vector image and read the license plate from the raindrop coming off the side of a car in shot Mar 12 21:16:03 lcuk, cool! Mar 12 21:16:23 I guess raster... Mar 12 21:16:31 lcuk: absolutely, saw it on CSI too Mar 12 21:16:44 :D Mar 12 21:17:02 wait.. he wasn't joking? Mar 12 21:17:06 lcuk: only when the cam is operating on layer 3 of the matrix, not on the phy layer Mar 12 21:17:12 ahhhh CSI Mar 12 21:17:14 GUI interface using visual basic to track the killers IP address CSI http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=hkDD03yeLnU Mar 12 21:17:29 lcuk - seen http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KUFkb0d1kbU Mar 12 21:17:31 MohammadAG: have a look at http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/commons/b/b7/Wikipedia-logo.svg in any reasonable browser and zoom all the way in Mar 12 21:18:24 n900evil, I have seen pretty much every shot taken of Red Dwarf and have somewhere signed copy of Infinity welcomes careful drivers :) Mar 12 21:18:28 neat Mar 12 21:18:33 :) Mar 12 21:18:51 asdfrgtfrgbnbvfgthgghjvfghjkl mnhgfsdfghj Mar 12 21:18:53 oops Mar 12 21:19:19 kitty on the keyboard! Mar 12 21:19:49 rtyler: doggy eating n900 Mar 12 21:21:04 MohammadAG: per definition when vector graphics are 2D the scalar graphics are 1D Mar 12 21:21:04 naah - I was trying to remove back protector. Mar 12 21:23:00 MohammadAG: actually, modern fonts are probably the best example of a vector format Mar 12 21:23:10 raster - pixels. vector - curves. That's the whole explaination :) Mar 12 21:23:23 note how even a 1000pt bracket is a smooth curve Mar 12 21:23:46 wazd_: off topic. What is scalar graphics? Mar 12 21:25:16 BCMM, no - modern fonts are an example of a generation program Mar 12 21:25:26 they are not stored purely as data afaik Mar 12 21:25:35 they express one-dimensional images in terms of "put a pixel 100px from the origin", of course Mar 12 21:25:43 is there way to leve a memos here? Mar 12 21:25:47 ~memo Mar 12 21:25:58 you can leave maemos here Mar 12 21:26:00 ZogG: /msg memoserv help Mar 12 21:26:29 BCMM yep, i know, i mean chan memos Mar 12 21:26:35 like from bot Mar 12 21:26:44 lcuk =) Mar 12 21:33:18 BCMM: one dimensional images? ooh, so that's the scalar images then. I just wonder what a 1D image looks like Mar 12 21:33:33 other than a straight line Mar 12 21:33:52 DocScrutinizer: they're typically stretched in a second axis, to form web 2.0 gradients. Mar 12 21:34:12 mhm Mar 12 21:34:49 so that's a question of the projection function used to transform 2D->1D->2D Mar 12 21:35:05 DocScrutinizer have you experienced this OTR issue with pidgin? Mar 12 21:35:44 I never used pidgin - well I used it once, for like one evening, when I decided it sucks Mar 12 21:36:17 in all seriousness, i have seen website featuring a 1xlots PNG that is stretched to form a gradient background... ugh Mar 12 21:36:35 lol, what do you use for IM? Mar 12 21:37:06 IRC? Mar 12 21:37:13 on N900? xchat FTW Mar 12 21:37:34 what about gtalk, msn, aim, etc? Mar 12 21:37:48 what's that? ;-P Mar 12 21:38:25 ooh the one is matching my I_HATE_g* regex trigger Mar 12 21:39:09 IM was obsolete when it was invented, due to IRC. Mar 12 21:39:19 MohammadAG: http://s002.radikal.ru/i197/1103/a7/de9500437364.png - fixed icon Mar 12 21:39:26 BCMM: you must be joking... Mar 12 21:39:47 i'm not joking; i'm just a zealot. Mar 12 21:49:40 honestly, what is IM meant to do that IRC can't? Mar 12 21:51:17 the only other semi-useful alternative to messaging via IRC or SMS is SIP-chat, at least in my book Mar 12 21:53:31 well, msn has the ability Mar 12 21:53:33 sorry Mar 12 21:53:35 IRC has splits, and non-existant offline message passing. Mar 12 21:53:51 well it is that everyone has that shit Mar 12 21:53:58 most people don't even know what IRC is Mar 12 21:54:03 msn has the ability to change the protocol and break existing software every so often. also, tic-tac-toe. Mar 12 21:54:09 IRC lacks both of those. Mar 12 21:54:09 define "everyybody" Mar 12 21:54:24 yeah yeah Mar 12 21:54:29 "what does MSN have that IRC doesn't? Girls." Mar 12 21:54:43 (this is a wholey facetious response to what doc just asked. please don't burn me.) Mar 12 21:55:10 * SpeedEvil wishes someone would hack a femtocell Mar 12 21:55:20 Now, that would be cool. Mar 12 21:55:26 err I don't even know what's MSN Mar 12 21:55:42 there used to be a thing called MSN Instant Messenger Mar 12 21:55:45 commonly called MSN Mar 12 21:55:46 So it could act like a VOIP->GSM gateway, or a GSM->VOIP Mar 12 21:55:58 it turned into something .net, and is now probably windows live something Mar 12 21:56:27 but in some areas, it was pretty much what schoolkids used before Facebook IM, and it was always called "msn" Mar 12 21:56:37 SpeedEvil: I gather that's exactly what femtocell hw is made for Mar 12 21:56:44 it totally sucked, but everybody knew about it Mar 12 21:56:47 kinda like facebook Mar 12 21:56:48 SpeedEvil: alas I never seen any Mar 12 21:56:52 or the win32 API Mar 12 21:58:13 BCMM: so WTF would anybody ask for that sh*t, rather than use a somewhat sane approach like IRC or SIP? Mar 12 21:59:00 because they haven't heard of it Mar 12 21:59:23 "so what's your MSN?" "oh, why don't you download an IRC client?" Mar 12 21:59:42 especially when N900 supports yet another widespread fsckdup proprietary protocol for IM/VoIP, called skype Mar 12 21:59:42 due to the nature of social interaction, brand-awareness trumps technical superiority :( Mar 12 21:59:50 (see also, facebook) Mar 12 22:00:14 BCMM, the technical supperiority of an IM client is that it easy shows a list of contacts like a phonebook Mar 12 22:00:51 you can fake a "critical mass", for tech that requires one, by putting it in the default Windows install Mar 12 22:00:58 I can't help feeling offended being asked about my IM client Mar 12 22:01:13 haha Mar 12 22:01:15 offended? Mar 12 22:01:23 like how websites found it easier to code for ie6 than to try and persuade users to get firefox Mar 12 22:01:39 I was asking about OTR, which is certifiably cool Mar 12 22:02:18 that it is Mar 12 22:02:30 i want a future in which everything is routinely encrypted Mar 12 22:02:52 it just doesn't take substantial resources anymore, for stuff like amounts of text humans can reasonably process Mar 12 22:02:59 internetishard: that's nonsense, N900 contacts nicely integrates all kinds of "IM", except maybe IRC via xchat. For sure it does for SIP-chat, skype, and whatnot else Mar 12 22:03:00 and it's such a good idea on so many levels Mar 12 22:03:34 glen.alkohol.ee/pld/irssijabbernotify.pl Mar 12 22:03:36 fucking awesome Mar 12 22:04:08 now if anyone pings me on IRC, it'll notify me directly on jabber on my N900 Mar 12 22:04:23 joppu: don't you think that might Mar 12 22:04:25 joppu: get Mar 12 22:04:28 joppu: annoying Mar 12 22:04:35 joppu: ? Mar 12 22:04:36 :) Mar 12 22:04:46 joppu, nice one! Mar 12 22:04:54 that's why there's flood protection! Mar 12 22:04:56 just like popups for highlight in xchat do Mar 12 22:05:04 joppu, I do not think RST38h is correct this time Mar 12 22:05:13 that's nearly as cool as getting all your spam email SMSed to you. Mar 12 22:05:14 RST38h, what makes you think joppu will think it is annoying? Mar 12 22:05:47 lcuk: ?? Mar 12 22:05:50 this is the nature of geeks... Mar 12 22:06:05 That happens by default with IM clients ;] Mar 12 22:06:06 give them the tiniest amount of influence over a remote system, and they'll try to abuse it :) Mar 12 22:06:21 lcuk: mental ETAB? Mar 12 22:06:57 ~seen RST38h Mar 12 22:07:13 rst38h is currently on #maemo #meego. Has said a total of 196 messages. Is idling for 1h 5m 43s, last said: 'Yea, right'. Mar 12 22:24:27 Under SEH Team Mar 12 23:04:21 nice, can't login in maemo.org anymore... how can I reset the password? Mar 12 23:19:13 errr, login->"forgot your password?" Mar 12 23:21:02 ohwell :-S >>Warning: pg_connect() [function.pg-connect]: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server... Mar 12 23:23:30 wiki.maemo.org down!! Mar 12 23:23:39 errr broken Mar 12 23:23:55 X-Fade: ^^^ Mar 12 23:25:48 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/fremantle-sdk-testing/?root=maemoexamples "server rejected connect" Mar 12 23:33:53 Jaffa: GAN900: whom to PING ? Mar 12 23:34:45 weird some 3 servers went down today, one of them my mailserver Mar 12 23:42:08 anidel: authentication is broken, that's not your password or general credentials. Mine doesn't work as well Mar 12 23:46:36 ah ...thanks Mar 12 23:48:57 who here has the balls to look into the maemo source code and tell me what is assigned to interrupt 57? Mar 12 23:49:21 actually 56 Mar 12 23:49:27 and 37 Mar 12 23:50:17 What does cat /proc/interruptsshow? Mar 12 23:57:51 general purpose timer, and I2C, prolly bus 1 Mar 13 00:01:00 i know it is i2c, however what is spamming my i2c bus 10 times a second? Mar 13 00:02:14 Possibly smartreflex Mar 13 00:03:15 * dangergrrl <3 flasher Mar 13 00:14:29 well, I2C1 aka I2C_CNTL == GAIA next to SmartReflex Mar 13 00:15:27 hi Mar 13 00:22:03 One important thing to realise about interrupts is that you absolutely don't care about 99.9% of reported ones. Mar 13 00:22:36 For example, if an interrupt happens whentheCPUis awake, or pait of a rapid interrupt train - there are almost no powerimplications. Mar 13 00:42:21 yup Mar 13 00:43:30 with OMAP zero clock design, there's even little to worry about when IRQs happen during >=C4 Mar 13 00:44:34 as only the needed blocks will power up, with minimal penalty for transition to C0 and back to "idle" Mar 13 00:44:52 does aptitude work on n900? Mar 13 00:45:16 for installing maemo stuff, not debian btw Mar 13 00:47:45 IRQs are really bad on designs like S3C2442 based Freerunner, which does a suspend to ram for idle mode, which takes 3..4 eternities, compared to wake from C4 of OMAP Mar 13 00:54:13 i really would prefer to delude myself with the idea that hardware is magic for the present moment Mar 13 00:54:49 and yes i can read a databook and write a device driver Mar 13 00:54:55 but it hurts thinking about it Mar 13 01:03:47 dangergrrl: hardware *IS* magic, courtesy of us EE Mar 13 01:03:54 ;-D Mar 13 01:04:55 Where are desktop configuration (icons, widgets, position/placement, etc) is stored? Mar 13 01:05:29 s/is // Mar 13 01:05:29 divan meant: Where are desktop configuration (icons, widgets, position/placement, etc) stored? Mar 13 01:05:30 oh well Mar 13 01:05:43 several places Mar 13 01:06:01 I need icons and widgets Mar 13 01:07:05 icons as in pictures are somewhere in /usr/share/icons Mar 13 01:07:42 DocScrutinizer, no I mean shortcuts, currently placed on the desktop. Mar 13 01:10:16 -> /home/user/.config/hildon-desktop/home.plugins (maybe) Mar 13 01:13:03 DocScrutinizer, thanks! It contains widgets. Must be separate file for contacts/shortcuts.. Mar 13 01:13:42 /etc/hildon-desktop Mar 13 01:14:35 /etc/hildon-desktop is the global configuration, I've already searched it. Mar 13 01:33:00 yeah well i'm an embedded systems and kernel girl Mar 13 01:33:16 hardware is just hard work to make work Mar 13 01:33:24 and the datasheets are always wrong Mar 13 01:42:53 dangergrrl: aptitude works on the command line, the GUI segfaults Mar 13 01:44:22 oh Mar 13 01:44:32 i want the command line Mar 13 01:44:47 though i don't remember how to use aptitude Mar 13 01:44:55 i remember it has help Mar 13 01:45:08 and i can run in in ssh in a nice big xterm Mar 13 01:45:23 i (needlessly) flashed Mar 13 01:45:33 and have to reinstall all my apps Mar 13 01:46:00 if you corrupt your boot scripts Mar 13 01:46:28 you can get a shell from the meego initrd image Mar 13 02:07:37 dangergrrl: umm, AIUI you need my nano-aptitude script from http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools Miniwrapper for apt-get logs Mar 13 02:13:49 WTF is /etc/systemui/cell-modem-ui.xml ? Mar 13 02:16:22 DocScrutinizer: what's up? Mar 13 02:16:40 maemo blows chunks Mar 13 02:17:26 wiki.m.o >>Warning: pg_connect() [function.pg-connect]: Unable to connect to PostgreSQL server... Mar 13 02:17:39 https://garage.maemo.org/plugins/scmsvn/viewcvs.php/branches/fremantle-sdk-testing/?root=maemoexamples "server rejected connect" Mar 13 02:17:51 DocScrutinizer: that's from an app in extras you've probably installed... the system menu to turn the cell modem off Mar 13 02:17:55 authentication fails as well Mar 13 02:18:16 Well cheer up laddy Nokia's gone all in to bring us that awesome new OS Meego... oh wait... Mar 13 02:18:25 villager: thanks Mar 13 02:19:18 GeneralAntilles: or is it fixed meanwhile ? :-D Mar 13 02:20:25 oh well, seems it "fixed itself" Mar 13 02:21:16 or loadbalancer has mixed me to another box ;-P Mar 13 02:21:24 muxed even Mar 13 02:27:02 DocScrutinizer: too bad X-Fade's always busy these days. Mar 13 02:27:43 he must appoint a proxy Mar 13 02:52:12 moin lcukn900 Mar 13 02:58:18 \o doc Mar 13 02:58:41 DocScrutinizer, was playing lemmings today on an Amiga Mar 13 02:58:47 http://liqbase.net/20110312_024.jpg **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 13 02:59:57 2011