**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 14 02:59:57 2011 Mar 14 02:59:57 hmm.. deleted kernel maybe? Mar 14 03:00:01 Yeah, battery might be low. Mar 14 03:00:10 Nothing but NOLO is involved in flashing. Mar 14 03:00:17 So if it's power cycling, it's likely a low battery. Mar 14 03:00:23 Battery is on ~ 85% Mar 14 03:00:33 how do you know? Mar 14 03:00:38 if you are not getting into os Mar 14 03:00:41 I had it on the power cable Mar 14 03:00:53 when my brother killed my phone Mar 14 03:01:09 and it was on arround 90%, wich would be ~85 now Mar 14 03:01:09 pesky brothers Mar 14 03:01:32 justa thought Mar 14 03:01:40 * lcuk had power cycling doofer earlier today Mar 14 03:01:49 I had to look at my n900 sternly before it would bootup Mar 14 03:03:37 Well, i power it up over the night. I hope i get it to work today. Sending my phone back to nokia would suck much different things. Mar 14 03:04:31 indeed, when you try it in the morning Mar 14 03:04:57 perhaps take out battery, plug in usb, start flasher, then when it says device not found, pop the battery in Mar 14 03:05:08 Aight' Mar 14 03:05:13 * lcuk used this method for every flashing on every device in last couple of years Mar 14 03:06:41 with your method i get this response: http://pastebin.com/wg1D3ApW Mar 14 03:06:49 lcuk. Mar 14 03:07:33 Tsuyo, my old laptop used to do that randomly, it was something in the kernel etc - i had to reboot laptop to fix that cos I am not a kernel bod Mar 14 03:08:07 i've rebooted my pc for the second time now : / Mar 14 03:08:09 * lcuk goes to sleep again anyway Mar 14 03:08:10 :( Mar 14 03:08:16 Tsuyo, try an alternative machine Mar 14 03:08:50 but that error is more host than n900 i believe Mar 14 03:08:57 and different usb port, and don't use hubs Mar 14 03:09:38 Tsuyo, are your usb cables using clockwise twisting, or anticlockwise? Mar 14 03:09:49 yeah, i'm going to sleep too. Thanks for your help :), i'll abuse mother's pc after mornin' Mar 14 03:10:02 Err Mar 14 03:10:10 Huh :D ? Mar 14 03:10:18 i thought usb would be a standard Mar 14 03:10:50 well you have to get the right kind of cable depending on which hemisphere you are on Mar 14 03:11:00 the electrons go the wrong way if you import :'( Mar 14 03:11:25 wat :D Mar 14 03:11:30 lcuk: heh.. thats almost funny, as you said that while i was looking at stuff in #astronomy :) Mar 14 03:11:46 heh Mar 14 03:11:50 gnite fellas \o Mar 14 03:11:55 Seeya Mar 14 03:11:58 lcuk: my telescope tripod came with a scope configured for the wrong hemisphere Mar 14 03:12:05 ;) Mar 14 03:12:09 good night, too :) Mar 14 03:50:52 * orlok ssh's into his phone to back everything up Mar 14 03:51:46 Ahh, a phone that doesnt drive me nuts... Mar 14 04:19:12 ~flash Mar 14 04:19:13 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Mar 14 05:01:28 hmm, 2nd reactor gone pooof Mar 14 05:01:53 just hydrogen containment Mar 14 05:02:09 sure, what else? Mar 14 05:14:55 sounds like the containment vessels are intact Mar 14 05:15:46 on topic question - does python offer bluetooth bindings? Mar 14 05:15:57 pretty sure it does Mar 14 05:16:00 i.e. ability to setup a rfcomm connection Mar 14 05:16:07 Hmmm Mar 14 05:16:11 http://code.google.com/p/pybluez/ Mar 14 05:16:31 in general, does python offer X answer is yes :D Mar 14 05:16:42 import soul Mar 14 05:16:44 ah Mar 14 05:16:45 :) Mar 14 05:17:02 python makes me look like i know how to programm Mar 14 05:17:08 python seems to be the easiest way to get a graphically app on the N900 Mar 14 05:17:19 ds3: with what? Mar 14 05:17:26 * orlok uses pygame and wxwidgets on desktops Mar 14 05:17:33 speaking of which Mar 14 05:17:35 I want to poke at the GPS, Bluetooth, and camera Mar 14 05:17:38 i need to get back to the hardware for it Mar 14 05:17:56 all of which request mucking with X or wrapped X calls (aka libs like gtk/qt/etc) Mar 14 05:18:00 making arduino controlled telescope.. PC side will be python Mar 14 05:18:04 python seems to avoid that Mar 14 05:18:23 okay, so the N900 side seems to be covered Mar 14 05:18:42 trying to figure out what it would take to build a bluetooth watch as a N900 companion Mar 14 05:19:29 all reactors at plant 1 have been shut down Mar 14 05:20:01 shutdown but not cooled down yet, right? Mar 14 05:21:25 ds3: some, yes Mar 14 05:21:30 ds3: that takes days Mar 14 05:21:36 but that's going ahead now Mar 14 05:21:38 *nod* Mar 14 06:00:24 doc|home: I don't see anything going ahead there, except expected hydrogen explosions after 15-20h from cooling failure, and the final coremelt after 30-45h, which will result in another much huger explosion or china syndrome Mar 14 06:00:59 DocScrutinizer: why do you expect failure? Mar 14 06:01:28 faulure is a fact, that happened quite some time ago Mar 14 06:02:01 because of both generators and power grid are damaged Mar 14 06:02:06 failure of the systems they had in place, yeah, but they've been working on alternatives Mar 14 06:02:52 these aren't alternatives, that's desperate last efforts that are rather unlikely to help a lot Mar 14 06:02:53 , but they've been working on alternatives Mar 14 06:02:56 whoops Mar 14 06:03:00 http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/76948.html Mar 14 06:03:07 fine, desperate alternatives :) Mar 14 06:03:45 ok, looks like it is happening Mar 14 06:03:46 fuck Mar 14 06:03:51 pardon my french Mar 14 06:03:57 http://english.kyodonews.jp/news/2011/03/77025.html Mar 14 06:08:32 plus wind is changing, tomorrow it might hit Tokyo Mar 14 06:09:32 west coast of north america otherwise Mar 14 06:09:37 not sure how bad that'd be Mar 14 06:09:46 and for all I know there are another 3 to 4 blocks pending which also have no more cooling Mar 14 06:09:56 4 of them have been previously shut down Mar 14 06:10:11 iirc Mar 14 06:10:36 all have been shut down, but that doesn't help as you MUST cool a reactor for several weeks after shutdown Mar 14 06:11:19 block1 and 3 also were shutdown, and still blew up Mar 14 06:11:26 will try to get the link Mar 14 06:12:24 why? I don't see any news there Mar 14 06:12:40 one sec Mar 14 06:12:54 and it's a japanese website - seems those have the most censored info Mar 14 06:13:16 http://www.tepco.co.jp/en/press/corp-com/release/11031312-e.html Mar 14 06:13:22 getting hit pretty hard right now though Mar 14 06:13:26 will pastebin contents Mar 14 06:14:27 meh, I doubt there's anything that I haven't heard yet. I even doubt there's much truth at all on that page - it as well has a .jp TLD Mar 14 06:14:37 that's their own page Mar 14 06:15:02 http://pastebin.ws/8rva75 Mar 14 06:15:41 so, 3 of the 6 should be ok, two worrying, one ok but possibly a problem Mar 14 06:15:53 if something changes Mar 14 06:16:37 hmm lot of crimping and soldering Mar 14 06:16:50 DocScrutinizer: if you have more info, I'm all ears Mar 14 06:18:05 well, everybody got more info than that BS they publish on their own official website Mar 14 06:18:20 DocScrutinizer: like? Mar 14 06:19:48 hmm, that one about the partial core meltdown was from 2 days ago Mar 14 06:20:07 like explosion on block3, some 2h or 3h ago, more severe than that of block1, 4 workers injured, 7 *missing* - allegedly it's been a planned controlled explosion (that's what you will read on their website in 10h) Mar 14 06:21:03 caesium137 found 100km from Fukushima Mar 14 06:21:08 that's not new info, and that explosion's on the front page of http://english.kyodonews.jp/ Mar 14 06:21:17 ok, the 100km is new Mar 14 06:21:35 where did you hear that? Mar 14 06:21:36 which explosion= Mar 14 06:21:51 on block 3 Mar 14 06:21:57 Moo all Mar 14 06:22:10 Soo, what is new and exciting? Japan again? Mar 14 06:22:16 honestly, I'm too tired to argue with you about fsckng japanese info policy Mar 14 06:22:28 i'm not arguing... Mar 14 06:22:31 were you? Mar 14 06:33:42 Doc vs doc Mar 14 06:35:06 not on my part Mar 14 06:35:09 night Mar 14 06:36:31 Hmm... I'm getting "operating not supported" when i open the camera cover on my N900 Mar 14 06:38:12 orlok: sometimes this is caused by a broken filesystem where camerat would store pictures Mar 14 06:39:43 also fcam drivers need reinstallation after any kernel update or change Mar 14 06:40:23 of course only if fcam or any other alternative camera app got installed Mar 14 06:47:56 does the nokia n900 work with boost mobile? Mar 14 06:49:03 i'd be surprised Mar 14 06:49:44 isnt boost one of the last using iDEN ? Mar 14 06:50:31 JakDaRippa: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Boost_Mobile CDMA / iDEN. Mar 14 07:50:34 good morning Mar 14 07:59:59 hi Mar 14 08:00:00 syn 57578 Mar 14 08:00:23 nobody like my juok Mar 14 08:02:24 \o Mar 14 08:02:42 pupnik_, que? Mar 14 08:03:46 moment mece Mar 14 08:03:59 < Aleister93> i saw a headline, "Japan asks US Navy for help" Mar 14 08:04:13 < pupnik> US navy answers japan: "Whom do you want us to bomb?" Mar 14 08:05:05 teehee Mar 14 08:19:27 18,000 ppl missing in rikuzentaka, a town of 24,000, 6,000 accounted for Mar 14 09:10:20 < pupnik> the difference between japan and haiti is japanese and haitians Mar 14 09:11:58 pupnik: Better question: What is the difference between Haiti and Dominican Republic? Mar 14 09:12:18 dunno Mar 14 09:12:33 But it is a much, MUCH better question ;) Mar 14 09:16:28 i didn't ask a question RST38h, i made an observation. Mar 14 09:16:41 do you have an observation to make about haiti vs dominican rep? Mar 14 09:17:15 pupnik: Yea. It appears to be directly linked to yours ;) Mar 14 09:18:24 dominican republic is on the same island, i believe Mar 14 09:18:30 correct. Mar 14 09:39:09 xnt14, you pinged me? Mar 14 09:39:35 pupnik & RST38h discover the world as offered to them by the conglomeration of corporate news networks... Mar 14 09:39:38 hehhe ipad2 jailbreaked. that was fast :D Mar 14 09:39:45 jailbroken? Mar 14 09:56:52 mmh... Mar 14 09:57:07 anyone experienced problems with sip lately? Mar 14 09:57:51 I still have no clue about debugging telepathy... Mar 14 10:00:48 chem|st: sorry i have avoided that since 2002 Mar 14 10:01:21 pupnik: sip? Mar 14 10:02:21 a reboot did it (or the cssu upgrade) but I'd like to know what is hogging that sofia bitch Mar 14 10:02:40 oh sip sorry Mar 14 10:08:46 Hi, isn't mobilehotspot supposed to depend on kernel-power? Mar 14 10:09:35 i forgot Mar 14 10:09:39 Because it fails to initiate ("DEBUG: Command output: insmod: can't read '/lib/modules/2.6.28-omap1/nf_conntrack.ko': No such file or directory"), and kernel-power seems not installed. Hoewer, it conflicts with mobilehotspot. Mar 14 10:10:04 So i can't install it anyway Mar 14 10:10:22 FIQ|n900, http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras-devel_free_armel/mobilehotspot/0.3.5/ Mar 14 10:11:01 Oh, in extras-devel Mar 14 10:11:46 FIQ|n900, extras has 0.3.4 which might have different deps, http://maemo.org/packages/view/mobilehotspot/ Mar 14 10:13:40 FIQ|n900: report your results pls Mar 14 10:41:39 https://github.com/nullkey/glc/wiki/ screencast desktop opengl - to n900? Mar 14 10:47:03 moo wazd Mar 14 11:15:17 RST38h: o/ Mar 14 11:15:20 hi all Mar 14 11:20:44 FIQ|n900: report your results pls Mar 14 11:22:20 I activated extras-devel, then installed kernel-power. Rebooted, installed mobilehotspot. It failed to work. But after one more reboot it seems to work (the UI looks like so, and no errors in the terminal. Hoewer, I can't test if it actually works atm. Mar 14 11:22:31 ) Mar 14 11:24:38 will test if it worked when at home Mar 14 11:36:32 Hi guys. Why omap2_mc psi takes 100% cpu after heavy load? It doesn't end after reboot. Is it ok to kill on terminal? Mar 14 11:36:56 Sorry it doesn't end _until_ i reboot Mar 14 12:16:54 Happy Monday everyone (I'm not sure how I feel about it myself) Mar 14 12:17:57 * ruskie throws some spiky, sharp things at dashavoo Mar 14 12:18:02 Mondays suck (because they start with a maths lecture for me) Mar 14 12:18:12 ruskie: ouch =( Mar 14 12:18:18 * merlin1991 copycats ruskie Mar 14 12:18:29 :( Mar 14 12:18:40 Mondays suck. No qualifier needed. Mar 14 12:19:59 I had sharp things thrown at me, and now I have just remembered that I didn't bring lunch with me to work this morning Mar 14 12:20:10 bah Mar 14 12:21:39 :( Mar 14 12:21:45 I hate when I forget my lunch @home Mar 14 12:22:32 I had a nasty surprise this morning, too. Mar 14 12:22:51 I had set the clock wrong on my coffee machine, so it wasn't made when I stumbled into the kitchen this morning Mar 14 12:23:03 That one was easily sorted though Mar 14 12:23:19 It was worse the time that I forgot to put coffee in, and got up to a pot of hot water Mar 14 12:23:20 good thing I don't drink/consume coffee or caffinated stuff Mar 14 12:24:19 ruskie: I didn't used to. I've always liked coffee, but before I started working here I drank it in moderation, just now and then. Now I have several cups a day. Mar 14 12:25:02 dashavoo, any particular reason? Mar 14 12:26:37 ruskie: because there is a pot of coffee brewed at coffee break, and I'm not good at resisting things that are there, and in the morning I am not very coordinated or organised, so it is easier to set my coffee machine to make me a coffee than it is to make myself something else to drink when I get up Mar 14 12:26:52 hehe Mar 14 12:27:04 replace coffee with a coffee substitute... Mar 14 12:27:11 that requires the same cooking process Mar 14 12:27:17 amphetamines Mar 14 12:27:19 Usually if I try to do something first thing in the morning, I end up breaking things Mar 14 12:27:25 crystal meth Mar 14 12:27:35 haha Mar 14 12:27:53 I have considered putting a small amount of chilli powder in with my morning coffee, just as an experiment Mar 14 12:27:59 I am a bit of a heat-freak... I love chilli Mar 14 12:28:00 it worked for erdös Mar 14 12:39:40 I noticed somewhere that the power kernel has mesh networking support... does anything/anyone actually use it? Mar 14 12:44:45 Hey, i was here already ~ 7 hours ago. My phone always reboots after my brother killed my phone with "dpkg -r -a". If i want to put my phone on usb, it reboots/vibrates every 10 secs. Even loading the battery doesnt work, because it restarts every time Mar 14 12:44:49 Does someone have an idea? Mar 14 12:44:56 I have the N900 Mar 14 12:45:25 reflash? Mar 14 12:45:35 wth is dpkg -r -a ? Mar 14 12:48:44 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/microsoft_apologises_about_bing_japan_quake_tweet/ <-- loath Mar 14 12:49:02 It removes every package on the phone Mar 14 12:49:08 even the kernel. Mar 14 12:49:15 merlin1991: Doesn't work. The phone reboots Mar 14 12:50:07 Tsuyo even if you hold u when booting and have usb connected? Mar 14 12:50:33 Yeah Mar 14 12:50:49 I don't flash for my first time and have some experience. that's why i'm asking here :p Mar 14 12:51:47 Well normally when people ask about flashing they are first timers :) Mar 14 12:53:18 I like to read first, before i ask dumb questions :p Mar 14 12:53:30 Well, but the 'net says nothing about this desease Mar 14 12:55:22 speaking of diseases Mar 14 12:55:27 whatever happened to H1N1? Mar 14 12:56:18 what happend to all other disesases... became obscure for the panick media... Mar 14 12:57:10 yeah, there are worse diseaes to worry about Mar 14 12:57:30 it was removed by the economy because no one wants to buy the vaccination Mar 14 12:58:45 But that doesn't bring my phone back : / Mar 14 13:09:14 Sucks that your phone wont even boot into flash mode so you can reflash it :( Mar 14 13:09:41 You may have no choice but to take it to Nokia and get it fixed Mar 14 13:17:04 you're lying Mar 14 13:21:44 http://pics.kuvaton.com/kuvei/japan_streetview.jpg hahahaha Mar 14 13:22:45 pupnik: a real American! Mar 14 13:23:03 "Tepco Simpson" http://i.imgur.com/9RV1Z.png Mar 14 13:26:33 * javispedro has found a funny xchat bug Mar 14 13:26:54 so there's this function that shows or hides certain widgets, which is called when you resize the window and gtk+s size allocations are calculated Mar 14 13:27:07 yes? Mar 14 13:27:13 but of course, hiding or showing widgets can cause gtk+s size allocations to be reallocated Mar 14 13:27:19 *recalculated Mar 14 13:27:54 which might cause xchat to again show and hide certain widgets, which causes gtk+ to recalculate sizes, which causes xchat to show/hide certain widgets... Mar 14 13:28:16 javispedro, that sort of problem used to occur on Windows too, where you have a frame with auto scrollbars, you calculate how much room you need, but it cuts into space needed by scrollbars so it needs adjusting again :P Mar 14 13:28:35 hehe Mar 14 13:29:03 javispedro: yea, well known crap Mar 14 13:29:06 Still occurs in Windows Mar 14 13:29:14 * lcuk used many hearty swearwords on those issues Mar 14 13:31:09 fortunately, the workaround I found is to avoid certain window heights (multiples of a yet undetermined N I believe) Mar 14 13:31:36 and/or avoid using the channel switcher vertical tab bar altogether. Mar 14 14:26:20 Why is it that, despite having every email I have recieved since 2006, I can't find any proof of purchase for my N900? D= Mar 14 14:26:46 Anyone who bought one from the nokia shop know what the subject would have been? Mar 14 14:27:10 ... Mar 14 14:27:28 of course, I am assuming they sent some sort of email acknowledgement Mar 14 14:27:43 it's not a proof of purchase Mar 14 14:28:10 dashavoo: I got the email acknowledgements from noreply_NokiaUKonlineshop@nokia.com - but I think the actual invoice is sent with the device Mar 14 14:28:21 Thank You For Your Purchase at Nokia UK Online Shop Mar 14 14:28:56 From: Mar 14 14:29:35 jacekowski: the insurance people will possibly accept that, whereas they have said outright that my bankstatement won't do Mar 14 14:29:55 dashavoo: you've lost it? Mar 14 14:30:05 dashavoo: you're in the UK? Mar 14 14:30:06 thanks everyone :), I'll search again for that ridiculously long email address later Mar 14 14:30:11 SpeedEvil: yes, UK Mar 14 14:30:23 dashavoo: Worst case, you can FOIA nokia shop. Mar 14 14:30:36 Which is a bit extreme, but... Mar 14 14:30:59 Err - not FOIA Mar 14 14:31:13 Subject access request under the data protection act. Mar 14 14:31:16 jacekowski: my screen is broken, and I (family member) used the box for something and disposed of the invoice Mar 14 14:31:42 SpeedEvil: thanks, if it comes to it, I will Mar 14 14:36:14 dashavoo: new screen may be cheaper than you excees Mar 14 14:36:18 your* Mar 14 14:36:28 jacekowski: the excess is only £25 Mar 14 14:36:36 are you sure Mar 14 14:36:41 who are you with? Mar 14 14:36:43 lloyds? Mar 14 14:38:19 jacekowski: I can't remember who the insurance is actually with, I got the insurance via one of my parents as they had an offer for free mobile insurance for 4 devices Mar 14 14:38:50 all of the paper work has been sent to their address, and I have been sending them details for them to send on Mar 14 14:38:51 check if your excess is still 25 Mar 14 14:39:01 it went up recently Mar 14 14:39:31 and n900 lcd is less than £50 Mar 14 14:39:35 Hmm. I'll check. If it is too high, then I'll just buy a new screen, but it is worth seeing first Mar 14 14:39:44 jacekowski: really? That is less than I thought it was. Mar 14 14:40:04 yes Mar 14 14:40:09 digitizer is like £20 Mar 14 14:40:55 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Nokia-N900-Lcd-Screen-Display-Replacement-Part-TESTED_W0QQitemZ190510153231QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=217774370217&rvr_id=217774370217&cguid=cd6b525b12a0a0e20314c394fea9bd74 Mar 14 14:40:59 £32 Mar 14 14:41:04 with free shipping Mar 14 14:41:39 That has come down! Mar 14 14:41:40 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/NOKIA-N900-LCD-SCREEN-DISPLAY-%20-FREE-TOOLS_W0QQitemZ270698110175QQcmdZViewItem?rvr_id=217786118324&rvr_id=217786118324&cguid=cd6b525b12a0a0e20314c394fea9bd74 Mar 14 14:41:44 £36 Mar 14 14:41:46 * mgedmin paid about £125 to have the cracked LCD on his N810 replaced at a local authorized Nokia repair shop a couple of years back... Mar 14 14:41:48 That is awesome, thanks Mar 14 14:42:05 I'll bookmark that and possibly just forget about the insurance Mar 14 14:42:16 Though the digitiser may need replaced too Mar 14 14:42:28 my has some holes in it Mar 14 14:42:32 but it's still working Mar 14 14:42:36 so i'm not bothered Mar 14 14:42:38 And it is possible to screw up your device whn attempting repair. Mar 14 14:42:53 how? Mar 14 14:43:03 as long as you adhere to basic esd precautions Mar 14 14:43:43 jacekowski: The flex cable is very fragile, and the screws are tightened enough that you should really replace them. Mar 14 14:44:19 i think you get new ones with that screen Mar 14 14:45:07 It really is ironic that it wasn't until I reflashed in preparation for sending the phone for repair, that it started working at a decent speed Mar 14 14:46:03 it's really ironic that someone who uses the term "ironic" doesn't know the definition of it. Mar 14 14:46:33 dashavoo, are you, by any chance, a relative of Alanis Morissette? Mar 14 14:46:36 of, or pertaining to iron. Mar 14 14:48:06 hi, anyone has some experience with kernel compiling for maemo? Mar 14 14:48:53 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/03/14/fukushiima_analysis/ Mar 14 14:49:28 crashanddie: I understand the definition of crashanddie, and have had this argument many times before ;) Mar 14 14:49:56 sounds like a discarded name from hackers Mar 14 14:50:07 *ironic Mar 14 14:50:12 I'm not sure how that happened Mar 14 14:50:21 :) Mar 14 15:00:38 RST38h: wow... Mar 14 15:01:35 for a start, material from the fuel rods has entered the environment. this always means the plant loses. Mar 14 15:02:09 also, using multiple redundant power supplies doesn't mean much when they can all be taken out at the same time Mar 14 15:03:28 "contains quite a lot of very short-lived (half-life measured in seconds) radioactive materials such as Nitrogen-16" - even the power company isn't claiming that anymore... Mar 14 15:03:39 hmm, i just realised i'm arguing with a Reg article... Mar 14 15:06:28 Venemo, day Mar 14 15:06:33 hey every1 Mar 14 15:07:10 orlok, I'll hack your IP and trace your VB script to get your webcam on Facebook... Mar 14 15:07:32 orlok, so, d0nT m3ss w1th meh! Mar 14 15:07:34 hey ZogG, what's up? Mar 14 15:08:02 127.0.0.1 Mar 14 15:08:05 come at me bro Mar 14 15:08:20 127.0.0.1?! Mar 14 15:08:22 ::1! Mar 14 15:08:22 it's a trap! Mar 14 15:08:31 ZogG, are you familiar with Gnome? Mar 14 15:08:33 udovdh++ Mar 14 15:08:37 :-) Mar 14 15:09:21 BCMM:what is wrong with TheReg? they publish the BOFH stories! Mar 14 15:09:40 Venemo, yeap Mar 14 15:09:44 Venemo, little bit Mar 14 15:09:52 i use it on laptop Mar 14 15:10:05 BCMM:(not to mention that they pretty much repeat the IAEA story...) Mar 14 15:10:37 ugh, I need to get back to working again... I wouldn't mind if this code wasn't so ugly Mar 14 15:11:08 dashavoo, pretty much the reason why I've been stalling all morning/afternoon. Mar 14 15:11:16 So, I feel for you. Mar 14 15:11:23 crashanddie: thanks Mar 14 15:11:38 always good to know I am not suffering alone Mar 14 15:11:56 javispedro: I think he just hasn't got it Mar 14 15:11:58 ah well, here I go Mar 14 16:00:13 ruskie, are you ready to test? Venemo has coded it =) Mar 14 16:00:57 Jaffa: you around? Mar 14 16:05:04 damn timeouts Mar 14 16:05:10 hey ZogG, I didn't code it. I was just helping you. Mar 14 16:05:37 haha Mar 14 16:05:48 i messed too much Mar 14 16:05:54 but now i have a start =) Mar 14 16:05:57 I just organized your code in a suitable way :) Mar 14 16:06:19 Venemo how do i set the title? Mar 14 16:06:32 ZogG, title of what? Mar 14 16:06:56 window Mar 14 16:07:34 double click the mainwindow.ui file, and on the list at the right side select the main window. then the window title should be at the properties window Mar 14 16:10:06 yeah found it, just thought to do it with command =) Mar 14 16:11:03 ZogG, what you can do with the UI designer, don't do with code Mar 14 16:20:31 Venemo, true Mar 14 16:24:44 hi, anyone has some experience with the n900 kernel? Mar 14 16:29:10 i entered some magic numbers to make it faster :D Mar 14 17:18:20 (Fuckishima) the best one I've seen so far: http://blogs.nature.com/news/thegreatbeyond/2011/03/fukushima_crisis_anatomy_of_a.html Mar 14 17:20:00 burn through concrete? that's not quite right Mar 14 17:20:16 the concrete containment is entirely designed to catch the core if it melts Mar 14 17:20:22 it's the last line of defence Mar 14 17:21:11 yeah, alas even concrete melts at <2000°C Mar 14 17:21:22 google for china syndrome Mar 14 17:21:28 ruskie, =( Mar 14 17:21:46 assuming it's uncooled. which it's not - hence the steam (and hydrogen) Mar 14 17:22:38 Venemo, if i want to use several lines and different fonts, do i need to use 2 labels or Qt magic can do it with one? Mar 14 17:22:45 how would you cool the concrete wehn a massive blob of 70 tons withglowing molten radioactive gue sits on it? Mar 14 17:23:09 s/with/white/. Mar 14 17:23:56 ice cubes? Mar 14 17:24:22 might help if yu suck on them, at least for your mood Mar 14 17:24:28 well, they can tell from the material leaving the reactor that it's not got to that stage yet - and this is not primary uranium reaction at 1000sC, it's residual heat from the secondary reactions, at 100sC Mar 14 17:25:16 even japan gvmt is now admitting core melt in 3 reactors, I heard Mar 14 17:25:26 partial, but meh Mar 14 17:25:33 yeah, due to the tops of fuel rods being exposed Mar 14 17:25:36 hence the seawater Mar 14 17:25:57 http://www.abc.net.au/news/events/japan-quake-2011/beforeafter.htm Mar 14 17:26:17 yeah, sea water is so much better than the originally present water of the reactor Mar 14 17:27:20 seems they decided to fill in seawater, wait 1 day, release radioactive steam, rinse repeat Mar 14 17:27:28 for the next 3 months Mar 14 17:27:46 *might* work Mar 14 17:27:57 I honestly doubt Mar 14 17:28:11 well, they ran out of deionised water. and it shouldn't be months, the emergency shutdown worked already Mar 14 17:28:25 even if it works, that steam surely contains medium-long half-life stuff? Mar 14 17:29:10 BS, there's no emergency shutdown for chill down, as clearly explained here in this chan ~18h ago, and also detailled in that article. Mar 14 17:29:37 i don't know which caesium is out Mar 14 17:29:57 there is emergency shutdown Mar 14 17:30:09 but Cs-137 is a good candidate, being a common fission product Mar 14 17:30:15 "I'm your CPU, you obviously know more than I do, so I'm taking a rest *fries*" Mar 14 17:30:19 it has a 30-year half-life... Mar 14 17:30:22 which got triggered for ALL JP nuke plants 10s before the earthquake Mar 14 17:30:31 MohammadAG: ^^^ Mar 14 17:31:09 so even if they "succeed" with the seawater, they're causing long-term contamination Mar 14 17:31:18 you know they have some 10-30s prewarn time on earthquakes, based on P-waves Mar 14 17:31:27 BCMM: sure Mar 14 17:31:37 Cs-137 is one of the major reasons there is still a zone around chernobyl Mar 14 17:32:25 they are at severity 4.5 of 5 now, and try desparately to avoid 5+ Mar 14 17:32:45 (that's my take on it, no facts) Mar 14 17:33:52 DocScrutinizer, Japan never suffered cause of the quakes Mar 14 17:34:05 the tsunami is what did all the damage Mar 14 17:34:07 core melt is going on in 3 blocks, cooling failed on 4 - that's semi-confirmed facts Mar 14 17:34:34 next block to go boom: #2 Mar 14 17:35:00 amazingly few info about fukushima-II Mar 14 17:35:27 the most worrying bit is that the latest explosion was in the building housing the reactor with the plutonium Mar 14 17:36:06 just the salt in the soup Mar 14 17:37:23 i wonder are there any ussd codes or opion to get info on billing (i mean spent, minutes talked and so on) Mar 14 17:38:49 http://www.renault-ze.com/en-gb/news/twizy-lab/zoom-61796.html&idItem=1500&self=1 - the car of the future! Mar 14 17:39:05 (plz vote, I want free car!) I thought goatse was a bit obvious. Mar 14 17:39:06 :) Mar 14 17:41:17 In principle it's an interesting vehicle - it's just completely wacked from a style POV. Mar 14 17:42:11 ZogG_laptop: depends on what your carrier supports Mar 14 17:42:24 I SCREAM! Mar 14 17:42:27 those are *S*upplementary codes Mar 14 17:48:17 hm Mar 14 17:48:49 what do i need to force rotation in applications? Mar 14 17:49:59 cssu ;) Mar 14 17:53:10 anyone here using boost mobile on their nokia n900? i'm with tmobile now and thinking about switching and wanted some input. Mar 14 17:54:43 boost mobile is CDMA (using Sprint's network) and will not work with the N900 Mar 14 17:55:12 damn. there goes that idea Mar 14 17:55:48 so i'm stuck with tmobile and at&t? Mar 14 17:56:05 yup Mar 14 17:56:16 or if you can find a GSM based carrier other than them Mar 14 17:56:24 * wmarone__ is on AT&T Mar 14 17:56:43 what would cause fmms to crash with a trace back ? tail line in /tmp/fmms.log - ValueError: invalid literal for int() with base 10: '50:8080' Mar 14 17:56:52 what plan do you have? how's the service? Mar 14 17:57:20 JakDaRippa: basic plan with 400 minutes and $15/mo "unlimited" data, and it works without issue Mar 14 17:58:01 what about text msg'ing? Mar 14 17:58:26 JakDaRippa: no plan, cheaper to just eat the $0.20 per text for as few as I get Mar 14 17:58:35 still a ripoff ;) Mar 14 17:58:56 ds3: improperly parsing a URL (looks like it's choking on the port number tacked on to the last octet...) Mar 14 17:59:16 do they have something like 'friends and family' or 'myfaves'? Mar 14 17:59:35 wmarone__: that's what I thought but further up fmms.fmms_config_dialog... shows it having the right port Mar 14 17:59:42 it is as if there is an internal self inconsistancy Mar 14 17:59:45 JakDaRippa: believe they do Mar 14 18:00:08 ds3: well, perhaps there's a flaw down in the proxy config, since that's what :8080 makes me think Mar 14 18:00:34 let me see if it is still compiled python Mar 14 18:01:03 cool .py files there now Mar 14 18:05:19 another good one: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/14/fukushima-more-technical-info/ Mar 14 18:14:08 hmm Mar 14 18:14:15 I wonder where I could get QGLWidget Mar 14 18:15:29 MohammadAG: how do you mean? Mar 14 18:15:34 You instantiate it yourself :P Mar 14 18:15:45 alterego, the headers are missing Mar 14 18:15:55 QT += opengl Mar 14 18:15:59 ? Mar 14 18:15:59 ;) Mar 14 18:18:26 heh, thanks alterego Mar 14 18:18:31 np Mar 14 18:19:22 holy crap that's fast Mar 14 18:19:40 alterego, any disadvantages Mar 14 18:20:06 ? Mar 14 18:20:15 Nope Mar 14 18:20:30 Not really. Mar 14 18:20:31 I remember you mentioned something when you were making the XBox remote app Mar 14 18:20:34 Xbox* Mar 14 18:20:48 hi, anyone can help with kernel issues? Mar 14 18:20:50 Yeah, that uses a qglwidget Mar 14 18:21:13 yeah, but I remember something about anti-aliasing issues Mar 14 18:21:25 plz? Mar 14 18:21:30 ~ask Mar 14 18:21:30 Questions in the channel should be specific, informative, complete, concise, and on-topic. Don't ask if you can ask a question first. Don't ask if a person is there; just ask what you intended to ask them. Better questions more frequently yield better answers. We are all here voluntarily or against our will. Mar 14 18:21:49 against our will lol Mar 14 18:21:58 just one of the odd things about freenode, really Mar 14 18:22:00 Hrm, there's some precision errors sometimes, which was because of my very complex widgets Mar 14 18:22:23 But I managed to fix those by making the images smaller. Mar 14 18:22:29 newbies presumably think that it's rude to just ask, like in real life Mar 14 18:22:33 NiQ1: ask away! Mar 14 18:22:39 typing :) Mar 14 18:23:24 trying to install a custom kernel. unforetunately it does not load and the n900 restarts. trying to debug. enabled framebuffer so i can see debug messages but unfortunately can't follow (too quick for me). any ideas how to log them somewhere? Mar 14 18:23:24 this is awesome! Mar 14 18:23:37 hmm Mar 14 18:23:42 MohammadAG: what is? Mar 14 18:23:46 I have said it before and I'll say it again - google blows chunks Mar 14 18:23:46 if there's a kernel oops, it's logged to an mtdblock Mar 14 18:23:52 BCMM, openGL accelerated QML Mar 14 18:23:58 search for fmms and it gives me a bazillion hits on MMS WTF Mar 14 18:24:34 first result of google when i search for fmms : [Announce] fMMS for N900 - maemo.org - Talk Mar 14 18:25:00 can QML use normal-looking qt widgets? Mar 14 18:25:07 MohammadAG, the open media player look neat Mar 14 18:25:13 NiQ1: if you put your N900 in R&D mode it wont reset on fatals Mar 14 18:25:18 doesn't seem like a kernel oops - one of the things i have noticed is that the system goes into act_dead state and then an unidentified process touches /tmp/shutdown and the machine halts. Mar 14 18:25:34 but video quality... Mar 14 18:25:38 BCMM: no, though Qt Components is working towards that goal Mar 14 18:25:58 E0x: I was looking for fmms proxy settings and it dumps me into matches for MMS Mar 14 18:26:25 I am convinced something in recent veresions broq. Mar 14 18:28:11 Hi. Asked this earlier without response. Why omap2_mc psi takes 100% cpu after heavy load? Process does not end until I reboot. Is it ok to kill? Mar 14 18:28:23 will try rnd mode w/ no lifeguard reset Mar 14 18:28:45 hmm ogl accelerated QML is going to make KDE's plasma really, really fast... Mar 14 18:29:52 It makes my MeeGo QML dialer really slick ;) Mar 14 18:30:15 doesn't work... will appreciate any other idea. Mar 14 18:30:28 Hopefully as I come to the end of this contract I'llhave earned enough cash to dedicate a couple of weeks to a month on MeeGo and Maemo dev Mar 14 18:33:04 is there any way to completely halt the system when it attempts to shut down? Mar 14 18:33:16 take out the battery? Mar 14 18:33:33 halt = keep whatever is on the screen still on the screen :) Mar 14 18:33:50 erm... this isn't enik Mar 14 18:33:52 erm eink Mar 14 18:35:16 Hehe. Found someone confused linking people to IKEA, not IAEA Mar 14 18:35:28 or alternatively, how can i tell which process called the shutdown? Mar 14 18:36:19 ffs not entirely simple to replace ff3.6 with 4.0 Mar 14 18:37:02 NiQ1, follow the startup Mar 14 18:37:44 ogl qml really doesn't work properly on my n900 for some reason. Mar 14 18:37:51 that's the whole issue, it's too quick and i can't read it before the system shuts down Mar 14 18:38:07 does E7 worth n900 ? Mar 14 18:38:16 rzr, ?? Mar 14 18:38:37 rzr, N900 < E7, if that's what you're asking. Mar 14 18:38:40 eiku Mar 14 18:38:42 siis Mar 14 18:38:52 rzr, N900 > E7, duh Mar 14 18:39:09 i got a E7 to swap for a N900 :) Mar 14 18:39:39 rzr, I guess it depends on what you do. E7 is much more expensive. You should get 2 N900's for one E7 Mar 14 18:40:05 E7 is not for QT hacking Mar 14 18:40:15 but it will lack the unix underlayer Mar 14 18:40:19 for me Mar 14 18:40:46 (19:37:51) rzr: E7 is not for QT hacking Mar 14 18:40:55 -not Mar 14 18:40:56 +ok Mar 14 18:41:19 just ran the update Mar 14 18:41:25 and he suggest me to install msn Mar 14 18:41:38 aww Mar 14 18:41:39 rzr, are you talking about an E7 now? Mar 14 18:42:15 i am typing on left hand on the kb , the e7 is in my right one :) Mar 14 18:42:33 n810 is on my right Mar 14 18:42:40 and e61 on the left Mar 14 18:44:00 i see this beast is 495EUR http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nokia_E7-00 Mar 14 18:44:38 rzr, what was the question again?? Mar 14 18:47:07 (19:39:25) mece: rzr, are you talking about an E7 now? Mar 14 18:47:56 rzr, well you started with "rzr: does E7 worth n900 ?" and I'm wondering what that means. Mar 14 18:48:04 rzr: does e7 have shorter battery life than n8? Mar 14 18:48:16 looks like there's less space in there Mar 14 18:48:44 pupnik, hw is sexier at least :) Mar 14 18:49:50 is symbian's image worse than the substance? Mar 14 18:50:36 ok, trying another approach. suppose the error is logged to syslog, i'll attempt to dump it to a file before shutting down. Mar 14 18:51:27 pupnik, well it looks old. Mar 14 18:54:57 symbian's meh Mar 14 18:55:09 bah, rotation is fubar on fremantle Mar 14 18:55:59 frals, using CSSU? Mar 14 18:56:23 no, using pr1.3 and hildon.hildon_gtk_window_set_portrait_flags(self.window, hildon.PORTRAIT_MODE_SUPPORT) Mar 14 18:57:02 what are you experiencing? Mar 14 18:57:44 its useless at detecing rotation and some times mce doesnt emit the rotation signal... hoping there is some nice callback on window rotation from gtk but im guessing not :P Mar 14 18:58:03 it works well for me Mar 14 18:58:24 * lcuk gets the .HEL crew to come along and rotate frals Mar 14 18:58:51 althought you would have to write a signal handler for girly_scream(); Mar 14 18:58:52 wow, they can do that? Mar 14 18:59:01 frals: look for resize events and test if w>h Mar 14 18:59:41 gdk emits a signal for that Mar 14 19:01:05 ieatlint, MohammadAG: cheers Mar 14 19:01:59 :) Mar 14 19:13:53 right... switching to a new stackable window means it forgets it was in portrait and goes back to landscape? :P Mar 14 19:16:46 MohammadAG: any solution? ;) Mar 14 19:17:18 frals is the task switcher button small in landscape after it flips? Mar 14 19:17:44 if not, set_transient or whatever gtk's set parent window is called :P Mar 14 19:17:56 gtk_window_set_transient i think Mar 14 19:18:13 yeah the task switcher button is small but it goes to landscape Mar 14 19:18:32 is the new parented to the main one? Mar 14 19:18:38 ye Mar 14 19:18:43 if so, it's your hildon-desktop being an asshole Mar 14 19:18:53 a reboot will kick it again Mar 14 19:19:06 a killall will break it more :p Mar 14 19:19:34 I still don't know why it happens Mar 14 19:19:42 or hm Mar 14 19:19:44 but it's very annoying, made me waste an hour Mar 14 19:19:53 maybe i dont actually set the parent when i use this path Mar 14 19:20:04 ... this is the downside not looking at the code more than once a month :p Mar 14 19:20:10 lol Mar 14 19:20:26 I never got PyGtk or PyQt tbh Mar 14 19:20:41 found C/C++ much faster Mar 14 19:20:55 no difference if its pygtk or plain gtk, its still horrible compared to qt :p Mar 14 19:21:20 gtk isn't that bad Mar 14 19:21:31 * MohammadAG looks at gobject with fear Mar 14 19:22:06 frals, ever considered a C/Gtk rewrite? Mar 14 19:22:16 yes, and rejected it ;) Mar 14 19:22:25 if i would rewrite id to it in qt/qml Mar 14 19:22:32 s/to/do/ Mar 14 19:22:33 frals meant: if i would rewrite id do it in qt/qml Mar 14 19:22:40 QML's sexy Mar 14 19:23:31 Qt's nice to work with, not much to worry about Mar 14 19:27:51 moin Mar 14 19:31:25 moikka Mar 14 19:37:05 sweet, all my problems went away with a reboot Mar 14 19:38:20 I tried that. It diddn't fix my broken central heating. Mar 14 19:39:30 SpeedEvil, did you fsck the eMMC? Mar 14 19:41:43 frals, told ya :) Mar 14 20:33:08 "Tepco Simpson" http://i.imgur.com/9RV1Z.png Mar 14 20:34:33 let's hope they are more clueful than that Mar 14 20:42:36 rm_work: pong Mar 14 20:42:54 Jaffa: hey :P Mar 14 20:43:17 I thought I remembered earlier someone saying you were the person to talk to about hostmasks here, could be wrong Mar 14 20:43:38 rm_work: X-Fade specifically, but he deputised me ;-) Mar 14 20:43:43 heh Mar 14 20:43:57 well, can you help me out? :P Mar 14 20:44:08 rm_work: Send me an email to andrew@bleb.org with your freenode user name Mar 14 20:44:14 k Mar 14 20:45:40 done, thanks :) Mar 14 20:47:50 Jaffa, am I right in thinking that when you request a cloak you are entered into a free draw to win a /maemo/council cloak upgrade instead? :P Mar 14 20:48:30 i was trying to install a older alpha of fennec for n800/diablo and install keeps failing due to pkill Mar 14 20:48:36 what package is pkill in? Mar 14 20:48:46 lcuk: Something like that. But then you have to email maemo-community as well. And it's a time-limited offer. Mar 14 20:49:41 whats a time limited offer? Mar 14 20:50:02 rm_work, to be in with a chance of a nice new cloak made out of the finest threads, send a mail to the Maemo Community ML syaing "I nominate myself for a cloak (and the council thingy)" Mar 14 20:50:25 :P Mar 14 20:50:25 I think the best incentive will be money though. Mar 14 20:50:29 * RST38h smiles evilly Mar 14 20:51:11 what am i missing Mar 14 20:51:39 obviously a cloak Mar 14 20:52:26 RST38h, well noone has ever said otherwise Mar 14 20:53:34 Jaffa, haha i heard that too. may i email too? Mar 14 20:55:35 i just discovered how good gimp's sinc scaler for enlarging images - http://i.imgur.com/0nisj.gif Mar 14 20:56:06 http://www.gifbin.com/985114 im so confused Mar 14 20:56:43 pupnik, that's what she told me Mar 14 20:58:14 impressive pronto Mar 14 20:58:39 d'oh didnt mean to post that in here Mar 14 20:58:55 now i have to check it Mar 14 20:59:18 * Arkenoi ordered 3-pack of scud batteries, will see if those are really that good Mar 14 20:59:38 what package is pkill in? Mar 14 20:59:59 better question, anyone got fennec/firefox4 working on n800 Mar 14 21:00:18 i had a old version 1.0 working and havent been able to install 1.1 or newer Mar 14 21:00:34 i wish we had a 'cryopid' Mar 14 21:00:51 I don't think we've been actively testing against Maemo 4 for some time. Mar 14 21:01:23 i noticed that, the last version i found built for maemo4 was 1.1 Mar 14 21:01:39 but it fails to install because its looking for pkill Mar 14 21:02:16 i made a pkill and dropped it in /bin and it still fails so its looking for pkill in some hard coded path i assume Mar 14 21:02:49 pkill is /usr/bin/pkill on my N900. Mar 14 21:02:55 im a ff extension builder and want to test my shit on a device (i dont have n900 or android) Mar 14 21:03:00 So you might try dropping it there. Mar 14 21:03:24 i tried in /usr/bin/pkill link to /bin/pkill (ln -s) and it still fails Mar 14 21:04:01 You could also try asking in #mobile on irc.mozilla.org. Mar 14 21:04:11 Someone there probably knows more than I do. Mar 14 21:06:48 thanks Mar 14 21:06:52 i just posted in there too Mar 14 21:07:10 wonder why they stopped building for n800 Mar 14 21:07:13 free n900's? Mar 14 21:07:41 I've not been keeping up over the past few days. Mar 14 21:07:56 Have there been any meegodevice rumors I've missed? Mar 14 21:08:53 alterego, ping Mar 14 21:09:07 SpeedEvil, no, they replaced MeeGo with Windows Phone 9! Mar 14 21:09:18 they skipped 8, it was obsolete apparently Mar 14 21:09:22 bman: a couple of problems Mar 14 21:09:32 one the people who made the sdk for maemo screwed up Mar 14 21:09:37 there was a toolchain update Mar 14 21:09:53 and it pulled in a libc which wasn't actually shipped to maemo4 or something fun like that Mar 14 21:10:07 and no one reported that they'd been shipping broken binaries for well over a week Mar 14 21:10:12 i.e. there were no customers Mar 14 21:10:24 i used it Mar 14 21:10:30 but it was version 1.0 Mar 14 21:10:41 i'm talking about the nightlies Mar 14 21:10:42 it wasnt doing auto updates Mar 14 21:10:51 yeah i wasnt using nightlies Mar 14 21:11:03 alterego, nevermind, solved it :D Mar 14 21:11:12 so 1.1 is the last version for maemo4 then i guess Mar 14 21:14:40 bman еру йгуыешщт црн еру ыещззув ыгззщке т900 тщкьфддн фы цудд =) Mar 14 21:14:45 ooops Mar 14 21:15:00 woo Mar 14 21:18:28 bman never mind Mar 14 21:18:38 yeah Mar 14 21:18:40 but look i can do like this too שלום Mar 14 21:18:52 מה קורא? =) Mar 14 21:20:06 * lcuk thinks this place is starting to look more and more like the graffiti wall every day Mar 14 21:20:35 lcuk, is it bad? Mar 14 21:21:27 well with the sketch fonts, nope :) Mar 14 21:22:43 =( Mar 14 21:22:51 it's hebrew Mar 14 21:23:44 ZogG_laptop, it could be herbrew for all I care :) it is good to see variety Mar 14 21:24:28 ZogG: Do stick to English though:not everyone can read Hebrew Mar 14 21:24:42 [hell, my ircii can't even display unicode] Mar 14 21:27:19 RST38h use xchat Mar 14 21:27:37 sorry, no xchat inside an ssh session Mar 14 21:27:47 and i don't think anyone here speaks hebrew Mar 14 21:27:58 RST38h, why ssh? Mar 14 21:28:23 why ask? Mar 14 21:28:52 ZogG: To allow the use of screen. Mar 14 21:29:04 Does MohammadAG? Mar 14 21:29:45 sup Mar 14 21:30:22 RST38h: irssi Mar 14 21:30:32 mmmmh Mar 14 21:31:22 SpeedEvil, speak hebrew? barely Mar 14 21:31:52 i know aleph and beth Mar 14 21:32:01 though I could tell what ZogG said above, obviously Mar 14 21:32:28 MohammadAG, you are half way there Mar 14 21:32:49 MohammadAG do you have arabic layout? Mar 14 21:33:08 [hell, my ircii can't even display unicode] <-- teehehehe :P Mar 14 21:33:18 ZogG, sorry, don't use arabic on my PC Mar 14 21:33:25 utf8 pwns j00 Mar 14 21:34:22 kerio =) Mar 14 21:34:25 геа8 аец Mar 14 21:34:33 utf8 Mar 14 21:34:35 I have to say Mar 14 21:34:42 QML rocks for everything but lists Mar 14 21:35:00 damn it's hard to have 3 langs Mar 14 21:35:01 i always mess with layouts Mar 14 21:35:46 sıɥʇ op uɐɔ noʎ ǝsnɐɔǝq zǝןnɹ 8ɟʇn Mar 14 21:35:54 hehe Mar 14 21:37:23 utf8 ♥ Mar 14 21:37:27 ☭ Mar 14 21:37:41 can we manage compose key on n900? Mar 14 21:51:48 ...proceed Mar 14 21:52:26 did anyone read about the SCUD battery? Mar 14 21:53:15 it has 1500mAh... Mar 14 21:53:38 any link? Mar 14 21:55:14 check forum, dr_frost_dk's thread Mar 14 21:55:52 it is one of the latest he has tested Mar 14 21:57:27 im skeptic Mar 14 21:57:29 hehe, Oracle JavaSE SDK does not install:the installer hangs Mar 14 21:57:38 What a pileof crap... Mar 14 21:58:26 like the android sdk :) Mar 14 21:58:36 lol Mar 14 21:58:38 java Mar 14 21:59:04 write once Mar 14 21:59:12 crash anywhere Mar 14 21:59:20 * MohammadAG needs to figure out how to null on delete Mar 14 21:59:39 ptr = 0; <=== Mar 14 21:59:43 no? Mar 14 21:59:43 is that like a bong? Mar 14 22:03:08 * MohammadAG stabs undocumented shit Mar 14 22:03:23 I don't want the damn email notification ruining my media player Mar 14 22:07:24 ha Mar 14 22:07:32 MohammadAG how does it ruines Mar 14 22:07:55 it silences it Mar 14 22:07:58 popping up in the middle of a movie Mar 14 22:08:19 nah, solved that with DND Mar 14 22:08:26 but the audible notifications suck Mar 14 22:09:29 libplayback, gotcha Mar 14 22:10:05 is there a reason why my video files suddenly stop and media player says unsupported format Mar 14 22:10:08 ? Mar 14 22:10:15 ? Mar 14 22:10:26 I'd guess heavy dependencies on dbus Mar 14 22:10:42 so when swap is taxed, dbus can't send replies Mar 14 22:10:54 the stock mediaplayer simply returns a random error Mar 14 22:11:58 is there a better media player i get this too sometimess Mar 14 22:12:51 MohammadAG, eww Mar 14 22:13:06 that sounds almost microsoft-ish... Mar 14 22:13:24 heh Mar 14 22:13:32 the usual error is "No connection to server" Mar 14 22:13:57 :( Mar 14 22:14:19 I think I'll have to cheat by disassembling the stock player Mar 14 22:14:26 now if only I knew how to do that... Mar 14 22:14:59 * vi__ nudges mo his copy of IDA Mar 14 22:15:18 heh i was just thinking of that too Mar 14 22:18:25 heh, no use in something if I can't use it Mar 14 22:18:57 What was my ping out message? Mar 14 22:19:27 SpeedEvil has quit (Ping timeout: 240 seconds) Mar 14 22:19:33 odd Mar 14 22:19:35 thanks Mar 14 22:19:39 np Mar 14 22:20:48 * SpeedEvil wonders why nmap did that. Mar 14 22:59:44 How do i get to see stored passwords on microb? Mar 14 23:00:26 I've lost the little sticker that came with my new router. Mar 14 23:00:28 Meh. Mar 14 23:03:23 possibly same way than on desktop firefox Mar 14 23:03:43 afaik I remember, passwords are stored crypted with a per-profile symmetric key Mar 14 23:05:07 preferences menu, then security, but I've never seen prefs menu Mar 14 23:05:51 yeah, I was thinking "same way as on GUI-less desktop Firefox ;) " Mar 14 23:06:02 via manipulation of profile files Mar 14 23:06:19 I'll tcpdump it when I wake up. Mar 14 23:07:24 baah, easy way. Mar 14 23:09:31 hah Mar 14 23:10:26 I bet there's a nifty way to enter some cryptic URL Mar 14 23:10:38 off topic but cool http://www.popularmechanics.com/technology/gadgets/news/4337757 Mar 14 23:10:47 wasn't there sth about that on MWKN even Mar 14 23:11:08 recently Mar 14 23:11:20 not sure, I don't follow it Mar 14 23:11:22 vme fires up microb bookmarks Mar 14 23:11:48 joga: was targeted at SpeedEvil / javispedro Mar 14 23:11:52 heh k Mar 14 23:13:23 I had a prototype USB connector using that. Mar 14 23:13:33 Magnets with field so it'd clamp on one way. Mar 14 23:22:30 Hi everyone. I have a question. I'm afraid my touchscreen is broken. I really dont know why because one moment it worked and the other it started acting weird. No its not working anymore. My problem is that i flashed it to check if it was a software faillure, but it wasnt. Now i cant access my phone again because i get the 'welcome / time settings screen' which i cant skip. Does anyone know a solution to get acces to the commandline? Mar 14 23:22:56 I'm already trying to access is for two days Mar 14 23:23:15 touchscreen of my N900 Mar 14 23:23:16 get new touchscreen Mar 14 23:23:20 it's like £20 Mar 14 23:24:07 Yes but i dont know if this is broken, so i want to check this by installing VNC or something to see if i can control it from my computer Mar 14 23:24:39 I dont believe in hardware that just stops without external involvement Mar 14 23:25:01 Phone is not that old Mar 14 23:26:59 Is there no switch to TTY or something to get 'behind' Maemo? Mar 14 23:27:10 not really Mar 14 23:27:14 you can compile your own kernel Mar 14 23:27:17 and play with initrd Mar 14 23:27:50 :-) HMmm, this costs more than buying a new touchscreen Mar 14 23:28:01 why? Mar 14 23:28:17 compiling your own kernel is free Mar 14 23:28:28 Yes, but it costs time :) Mar 14 23:29:30 remco_: configuring it costs time... Mar 14 23:29:38 you dont have to compile it by hand :) Mar 14 23:29:54 Sometimes my screen responds a bit, it seems to need recalibration Mar 14 23:30:04 remco_: and it has an xterm.. unless you wanted a serial console while booting? Mar 14 23:30:12 So this is the strange thing. I think that if the touchscreen is broken, nothing will work at all Mar 14 23:30:31 and ESD can kill hardware Mar 14 23:30:33 Is there a way to access the serail console? Mar 14 23:30:40 ESD? Mar 14 23:30:53 static zaps Mar 14 23:31:04 but i'd hope a phone, unopened, would be protected Mar 14 23:31:18 Yes, I got a $1000 refund on a computer :D Mar 14 23:31:44 my N900 camera doesnt work :-( Mar 14 23:31:59 fsckd the filesystem Mar 14 23:32:00 I have had it for almost a year! Mar 14 23:35:12 if its just the filesystem then atleast its fixable Mar 14 23:41:20 evening chaps Mar 14 23:44:12 * lardman is happy to see at least one more confirmed Council nomination Mar 14 23:45:22 * lardman wonders whether X-Fade is watching his countrymen playing cricket... :) Mar 14 23:45:40 and quite well at that Mar 14 23:46:26 hmm, apparently not so great, /me is watching the highlights Mar 14 23:46:55 hey lardman \o Mar 14 23:47:48 moo lardman Mar 14 23:48:32 hi guys Mar 14 23:49:15 * lcukn900 notes busy calendar this next week Mar 14 23:51:29 * lardman notes a week off this week :) Mar 14 23:53:23 lardman, yeah, not a council I'm going to envy. Mar 14 23:54:16 GAN900: no, quite Mar 14 23:54:33 I feel a bit bad for not volunteering, but really no time (other than this week off!) Mar 14 23:56:13 * lardman curses the N900's web browser Mar 14 23:58:47 i am trying to create a library deb package, how do i make "postinst" script to be included? Mar 14 23:59:26 (sorry for the off topic) Mar 15 00:00:03 trx, my library has a basic debian folder which should show you nicely where postinst shold be :) libliqbase Mar 15 00:00:17 thank you Mar 15 00:01:13 if the file exists is it automatically included, or do you need to list is somewhere? Mar 15 00:01:43 it exists Mar 15 00:01:54 but it doesnt get into .deb Mar 15 00:02:21 see what lcukn900 does then, I guess it needs to be listed in some file in debian/ Mar 15 00:02:30 e.g. debian/files or something like that Mar 15 00:02:35 yeah, probably Mar 15 00:04:31 * lardman heads for bed, catch you all tomorrow Mar 15 00:04:39 oh, it needs to be named mypackagename.postinst Mar 15 00:04:54 i'll test that out Mar 15 00:10:13 ,hi Mar 15 00:11:50 DocScrutinizer: .hi Mar 15 00:12:12 GeneralAntilles: o/ Mar 15 00:14:02 * DocScrutinizer51 is kinda happy to see somebody at SHR finally is intereted in the ALSA-only alternative he invernted in 2009, to PED end similar crap Mar 15 00:27:49 If I was going to store a N900 for a longer period without using it, how should I do it? Mar 15 00:28:05 In oil. Mar 15 00:28:09 It'll keep it lubricated. Mar 15 00:29:39 lol .. but the thin foils in the screen will suck it up and damage it Mar 15 00:29:53 ask Treibholz :) Mar 15 00:31:55 lolcat: remove the battery, put it into a dry plastic bag .. maybe with some drying gel. seal it store it dark at average not too much varying temperature Mar 15 00:32:09 how long do you want to store it? 20 years? :) Mar 15 00:32:27 lolcat: Discharge to 40%, put in a baggie in the fridge. Mar 15 00:32:54 Will last at least a decade like that. Charge and discharge to 40% every couple of years Mar 15 00:33:32 The whole device? Mar 15 00:33:41 the battery Mar 15 00:33:42 I am afraid the internal battery will die Mar 15 00:33:59 not the whole device Mar 15 00:34:27 internal battery? .. it has none Mar 15 00:34:44 It does Mar 15 00:34:51 Have an internal battery Mar 15 00:34:54 iirc its only a cap Mar 15 00:35:01 IIRC it's a battery. Mar 15 00:35:08 I' need to recheck the schems though. Mar 15 00:35:16 why does it hold the clock only a few minutes then? Mar 15 00:35:34 cehteh: If you replace the SIM, you get the date setting dialog, even if the time is corrrect Mar 15 00:35:37 AIUI Mar 15 00:36:01 but without replacing sim .. just replacing battery and be slow with that resets the clock Mar 15 00:36:22 and a freezer wont be good for the display and the electrolyte caps Mar 15 00:36:43 cehteh: because of that battery is crap and brolen after 6 months Mar 15 00:36:50 err fridge should work .. but be very careful about humidity Mar 15 00:36:59 DocScrutinizer: uh Mar 15 00:37:14 I diddn't realise the discussion was on the whole device. Above was only for thebattery Mar 15 00:37:26 [01:25] If I was going to store a N900 for a longer period without using it, how should I do it? Mar 15 00:37:57 ahhh thanks Mar 15 00:38:03 how long do we expect the batteries available? .. prolly for some years or? Mar 15 00:38:23 For what? Mar 15 00:38:24 at least 5 years Mar 15 00:38:29 yeah Mar 15 00:38:32 for n900 easy Mar 15 00:38:37 i'd consider to store the device without battery (main battery) and buy a new one when reanimating the device Mar 15 00:38:57 well he didnt saied how long he wants to store it Mar 15 00:38:59 I am concidering to buy 3 batteries Mar 15 00:39:07 Untill my other N900 dies Mar 15 00:39:11 IIRC new phones are still being sold with teh n900 battery Mar 15 00:39:30 lolcat: liion batteries age even without using them .. only buy as much you need Mar 15 00:39:47 Or discharge to 40% and put in the freezer. Mar 15 00:39:56 cehteh: I need a spare battery, and I have to buy three if I need one Mar 15 00:40:09 3 seems reasonable :) Mar 15 00:40:14 i should buy another one too Mar 15 00:40:24 They would be a lot cheaper if I buy 1000 though... Mar 15 00:40:33 but just dont plan to store then .. use them Mar 15 00:40:39 I will Mar 15 00:40:43 haha you can give me 1 then :P Mar 15 00:40:55 I need a external charger for it though Mar 15 00:41:05 3 batteries, plus 1 for each n900 I own Mar 15 00:43:28 heh Mar 15 00:43:38 I am seriously considering getting another N900 Mar 15 00:43:50 Only worry is that the N950 is pure awesomeness Mar 15 00:43:54 i think bout it now and then Mar 15 00:44:14 I probably will want it less when they are done fixing the usb plug Mar 15 00:44:19 i doubt that the n950 will be that awesome Mar 15 00:44:32 they got me in a like do i but this that or wait and see if it actualy comes out Mar 15 00:44:42 cehteh: Dual core arm, 512megs ram. It has the potentialto be awesome Mar 15 00:45:06 more megapixels maybe ... maybe sleeker design .. but less geek gadgets like radio transmitter, ir transmitter .. Mar 15 00:45:15 You think? Mar 15 00:45:16 yeah more cpu and ram Mar 15 00:45:19 yes i think Mar 15 00:45:30 Ir transmitter I dont care about Mar 15 00:45:36 FM transmitter is cool Mar 15 00:45:41 lets see Mar 15 00:45:53 maybe hdmi .. Mar 15 00:46:02 yep Mar 15 00:46:08 biggier display Mar 15 00:46:15 full output Mar 15 00:46:20 hd Mar 15 00:46:31 anyways ... prolly not worth the upgrade for me Mar 15 00:46:33 that they said 4" Mar 15 00:46:55 3.7" actuall Mar 15 00:47:33 screen bout the size of 770 would be good Mar 15 00:48:10 don't get sucked in Mar 15 00:48:20 When is it scheduled? Mar 15 00:48:45 they say by the end of the year but they say alotta things Mar 15 00:48:47 it is just nokia sucking suckers into another wasted gadget they will not support Mar 15 00:49:21 Hmm. fsck'd the filesystems on my N900 Mar 15 00:49:33 camera still doesnt work Mar 15 00:49:43 I know, but new harware Mar 15 00:49:47 reflash it? Mar 15 00:49:57 i wonder how Intel's Meego devices will work Mar 15 00:50:02 I would love it if they kept the N900 and just replaced the cpu, gpu and ram Mar 15 00:50:04 lofty306: what will that do? Mar 15 00:51:04 lolcat: what is the poing if you are stuck with an os that will never be updated? Mar 15 00:51:12 point Mar 15 00:51:20 reloads the os start over.... back up settings ect to sd card reload os start over Mar 15 00:51:36 Macer: You can install your own os even Mar 15 00:51:37 maybe twice then dumped as ms muscles all other OSes off nokias Mar 15 00:51:50 lolcat: sure if you dont want a functional device Mar 15 00:51:58 rofl Mar 15 00:52:02 or a device that is half functional :) Mar 15 00:52:20 I think Maemo works bether than an upadted Android Mar 15 00:52:49 except for email the n900 works reasonable well meanwhile Mar 15 00:53:01 i do too but what you have now is what you are stuck with Mar 15 00:53:08 I love the N900, it is the most perfect phone I have ever used Mar 15 00:53:16 since maemo has for all intents and purposes been dropped Mar 15 00:53:29 * nox- just ssh's to a bsd box with mutt for email :) Mar 15 00:53:32 i love maemo :) Mar 15 00:53:33 lolcat: same here Mar 15 00:53:40 just wish it had a future Mar 15 00:53:52 lolcat: but, i've been a linux sysadmin for 15 years Mar 15 00:53:54 wish i could see my n900 being useful in 4 years Mar 15 00:54:08 lolcat: so i must be one of the few people that can use it via terminal without thinking Mar 15 00:54:11 which it could have been if nokia wasnt ran by idiots Mar 15 00:54:15 I wish I could see any phone being a potential replacement for my N900. Mar 15 00:54:25 Macer: i can - telescope control unit :) Mar 15 00:54:33 * mtnbkr loves his N900 too (and has also been *nix sysadmin for +-15 years!) Mar 15 00:54:50 I have only used linux for about 4 years Mar 15 00:54:52 stupid stupid Nokia Mar 15 00:54:58 Can't say I miss the Windows days Mar 15 00:55:07 eeek Mar 15 00:55:18 * mtnbkr is sad they abanoned maemo/meego for Winphone7 (ack!) Mar 15 00:55:23 that word hurts my ears lolcat Mar 15 00:55:25 lolcat: yeah. it is an awesome os :) maemo had the potential but didn't have the proper direction applied to it Mar 15 00:55:35 mtnbkr: its microsoft sending in an assasin Mar 15 00:55:41 and now nokia has a few years before bankruptcy Mar 15 00:55:57 nobody likes winmob phones Mar 15 00:56:11 they should have gone a custom android route Mar 15 00:56:12 well, it was an Ex-microsoft exec that was working for nokia now that made this deal... Go figure Mar 15 00:56:21 hmm.. is strace available for N900? Mar 15 00:56:22 Macer: Vanilla Android is bether Mar 15 00:56:28 * orlok wants to get to the bottom of this camera issue Mar 15 00:56:34 lolcat: maybe ;) depends Mar 15 00:56:37 reflashing without understanding is the windows way out! Mar 15 00:56:51 Macer: I hate the Sony Ericsons version of it Mar 15 00:56:53 mtnbkr: same thing happened to HPUX and Irix Mar 15 00:56:54 hehe..... Mar 15 00:56:58 orlok: i had a prob using the power kernel Mar 15 00:57:05 I don't really like it at all, it was OK on my N900 though Mar 15 00:57:10 didnt know youur leveel orlok Mar 15 00:57:12 lolcat: the g2 one is pretty good Mar 15 00:57:15 mtnbkr: some dickhead killed their unix systems in favor of NT/Itanium, and after he crippled HP and SGI Mar 15 00:57:19 's workstations Mar 15 00:57:25 he got a n\ice cushy job at microsoft Mar 15 00:57:35 * mtnbkr is SOOOOO tired of Microsft and their illegal and immoral business activities (and their shitty software) Mar 15 00:57:39 lolcat: if nitdroid had fully working hardware i think i would use it over maemo now tbh Mar 15 00:57:44 i havent reflashed my 900 yet either Mar 15 00:58:18 Macer: hmm.. ok, i had the drivers loaded on the new kernel.. but it will try that Mar 15 00:58:21 Macer: There is about two android apps I would want, but Id rather see a dalvik implentation on N900 than running the whole os Mar 15 00:58:36 orlok: i had to go back to the standard kernel Mar 15 00:58:47 yay, just got an email Mar 15 00:58:57 "Meeting cancelled due to investment celebration" Mar 15 00:59:00 :D Mar 15 00:59:04 lolcat: maybe. i would rather have the os with a gnu base added Mar 15 00:59:10 orlok: haha Mar 15 00:59:26 i always wished android had a gnu base Mar 15 00:59:27 we were worried the party poppers were going to set off the smoke alarm Mar 15 00:59:29 orlok: make sure to download the attachment! Mar 15 00:59:41 with gnu apps built in :) Mar 15 00:59:48 mtnbkr: nah, it came from one of the most hardcore OSS/linux geeks i know Mar 15 00:59:51 he dont do that shit Mar 15 01:00:24 orlok: or..... It came frome an infected windows machine that used his email addrss in the FROM: field. :) Mar 15 01:00:55 heh.. windows.. whats that? :) Mar 15 01:01:12 orlok: It is the bane of the Internet age Mar 15 01:01:15 oh, Xwindows.. :) Mar 15 01:01:21 s/Internet/Computing/g Mar 15 01:01:21 mtnbkr meant: orlok: It is the bane of the Computing age Mar 15 01:01:28 i confess. i run a windows desktop at home Mar 15 01:01:43 but the only game i have been playing is minecraft Mar 15 01:01:50 so i may as well just go back to linux Mar 15 01:02:03 though.. i still play L4D2 Mar 15 01:02:05 sometimes Mar 15 01:02:24 Macer: ok, camera works now Mar 15 01:02:47 i was a big fan of kubuntu Mar 15 01:02:59 i like ubuntu for a desktop Mar 15 01:03:04 i usually run it on everything as far as a desktop goes Mar 15 01:03:08 i hate gnome Mar 15 01:03:10 in 1990 or 1991, I made Microsft give me a refund for windows 3.0 (Desqview blew it away, and then OS/2 and then linux) I sent the box, they sent a chack and I am a "Happy Microsoft customer" never bought another Microsoft product since Mar 15 01:03:14 id rather use kde4 Mar 15 01:03:17 i use it on my laptop/work desktop and my robots Mar 15 01:03:24 the window manager i dont care about Mar 15 01:03:28 i use apps and xterms Mar 15 01:03:36 the rest is just stuff for positioning those Mar 15 01:03:53 orlok: i used blackbox for years Mar 15 01:03:58 but kde4 is awesome Mar 15 01:04:01 :) Mar 15 01:04:04 Enlightenment Mar 15 01:04:05 heh Mar 15 01:04:08 enlightenment was good Mar 15 01:04:10 haha Mar 15 01:04:12 Xfce! Mar 15 01:04:17 fffffffffffuuuuuuukushima Mar 15 01:04:18 he turns up here! Mar 15 01:04:19 i hated xfce Mar 15 01:04:29 reminded me og gnome Mar 15 01:04:31 of Mar 15 01:04:32 mkandrake or rasterman, i forget which Mar 15 01:04:37 he has an N900, but cant use it Mar 15 01:04:44 he's working for samsung on the new galaxy iirc Mar 15 01:04:47 kde4 is great tho Mar 15 01:05:05 * orlok is happy with a serial console usually Mar 15 01:05:20 it is probably the only one i used as far as a desktop ui goes that is worth using Mar 15 01:05:38 anyways. going to hook up my laptop. bbl Mar 15 01:06:07 Jartza: is there "new" news about that site? Seems like it is prolly going to go full meltdown. :( Mar 15 01:06:25 yes Mar 15 01:06:36 reactorhall number 2 had an explosion too Mar 15 01:06:42 and now there seems to be a leak also Mar 15 01:06:53 radiation went up to 8217 microsieverts Mar 15 01:07:51 tepco had a "news conference" where 4 guys just bowed and said they apologize from the people of japan, read something from the papers and didn't actually answer any questions Mar 15 01:08:00 that was a bit strange Mar 15 01:08:07 * mtnbkr says: building your nuclear reactor on a MAJOR fault line is like building your infrastructure on Microsoft products Mar 15 01:08:37 "japanese government has made an official request for assistance to US government" Mar 15 01:08:42 (only a lot worse actaully) Mar 15 01:08:51 Jartza: were swords involved? Mar 15 01:09:03 n900evil: I expect they will be Mar 15 01:09:13 n900evil: looked so suspicious that I was actually waiting for that. but at least they didn't show that live. Mar 15 01:09:24 but it seems the containment vessel has a leak Mar 15 01:09:33 Jartza: well - US has experience with aftereffects of irradiating japan. Mar 15 01:09:42 yes Mar 15 01:09:58 and over half of the fuel rods are exposed in reactor 2 Mar 15 01:10:07 8000 is a couple of orders of magnitude higher than I heard before. Mar 15 01:10:15 so quite propably at least we'll see "three mile island" Mar 15 01:10:19 but still pretty low. Mar 15 01:10:23 lead and concrete Mar 15 01:10:30 they should start dumping it now Mar 15 01:10:55 i wonder if there will a s.t.a.l.k.e.r.: tokyo Mar 15 01:12:28 stalker is a guy that goes to the prohibited zone and transfers from black and white to color around halftime of the movie. Mar 15 01:12:29 hope not, I want to go back next year for the sky tree opening :/ Mar 15 01:12:50 hmmh Mar 15 01:13:01 they've evacuated the operators from the nuclear plant Mar 15 01:16:27 Jartza: url Mar 15 01:16:38 "this could be the worst case scenario for nuclear power plants in japan" Mar 15 01:16:46 chx: http://live.nicovideo.jp/watch/lv43296023 Mar 15 01:16:53 watching NHK World Mar 15 01:21:20 i have friends , former collegaue who lives about 100km from that crap -- he says he is on another side of some mountain range so they are probably safe. Mar 15 01:22:27 so it is looking like the iaea is preparing to prepare to propare apreport ppoon how to respond to japan nuke plants Mar 15 01:22:31 they were extending the evacuation range and they were waking up people in some cities Mar 15 01:22:41 wrong channel oops Mar 15 01:23:52 I also have few friends in japan, but they are safe in tokyo Mar 15 01:24:24 although they complained that tokyo was running out of food and they were thinking of leaving to osaka Mar 15 01:25:11 i think all my freinds are in tokyo Mar 15 01:31:29 now they're telling about the nuclear problems in NHK Mar 15 01:33:06 connection keeps dying Mar 15 01:33:18 also some problems with the used fuel reservoir located in reactor building 3 Mar 15 01:33:41 isn't reactor 3 in some sort of passive shut down now? Mar 15 01:34:49 they're still cooling it with seawater Mar 15 01:42:12 doc|home: http://www.ustream.tv/channel/nhk-world-tv is another url Mar 15 01:42:30 thanks Jartza Mar 15 01:43:16 alrighty then Mar 15 01:43:23 speaking of kubuntu i just got it going on this laptop :) Mar 15 01:44:40 ( lolcat: what is the poing if you are stuck with an os that will never be updated?) some of my boxes run on an OS version that's like 5 years old - and they are still useful Mar 15 01:45:03 orlok: yes, strace is available Mar 15 01:45:05 yeah, if it does the job and theres no bugs.. Mar 15 01:45:11 thats the perfect reason NOT to upgrade Mar 15 01:45:21 DocScrutinizer: ahh, no need, my camera works now :) Mar 15 01:45:22 So there is a meltdown going on at the moment? Mar 15 01:45:28 partial, at least Mar 15 01:45:43 Jartza: Ok. Mar 15 01:45:52 we just have to wait and see how bad Mar 15 01:45:54 How often does NHK go live with the news? Mar 15 01:46:00 It is just recorded now Mar 15 01:46:02 DocScrutinizer: heh :) Mar 15 01:46:09 damn. a little late huh? Mar 15 01:46:09 Is CNN covering it as well in live time? Mar 15 01:46:12 Jartza: It was actually based on a book originally Mar 15 01:46:21 DrGrov: Agreed Mar 15 01:46:22 i am installing non open software on my kubuntu laptop ! wooooo Mar 15 01:46:27 Jartza: but theres 3 computer cames based on the book, but set around chernobyl Mar 15 01:46:28 DrGrov: looks like they roll the news every 30 mins or so Mar 15 01:46:31 i should call this thing the nokia n9000 Mar 15 01:46:37 Ok Mar 15 01:46:49 Jartza: Ok, I will switch to cable TV then and get CNN Mar 15 01:46:53 orlok: I know, I've read the book. and watched the original 1972 film many times :) Mar 15 01:46:59 Jartza: me too Mar 15 01:47:14 Macer: I'm not *always* realtime Mar 15 01:47:15 weird that it was all done _before_ chernobyl happened Mar 15 01:47:21 DocScrutinizer: ;) Mar 15 01:47:31 Jartza: a few of the actors died due to poisoning... Mar 15 01:47:36 I rarely miss anything though Mar 15 01:47:46 Jartza: the white foamy stuff in the river? that wasnt special effects.. it was chemical runoff Mar 15 01:47:49 orlok: still it's quite powerful movie :) Mar 15 01:47:53 yeah Mar 15 01:48:00 lots of awesome long shots and stuff Mar 15 01:48:01 ugh. i have to restart the computer to activate a driver :) Mar 15 01:48:02 like any other tarkovsky's film Mar 15 01:48:05 it's like running windows all over again Mar 15 01:48:06 hahaha Mar 15 01:48:07 bbl Mar 15 01:48:13 It is strange that there is not continuous live coverage Mar 15 01:48:17 mirror was quite scary too :) Mar 15 01:48:18 Jartza: even got mentioned in gibsons's latest trilogy Mar 15 01:48:20 the movie Mar 15 01:48:38 heh, core melt - the real one now? Mar 15 01:48:59 DocScrutinizer: Where? Mar 15 01:49:03 DocScrutinizer: Happening now? Mar 15 01:49:07 and if it melts, then what? the primary containment supposedly is built to hold exactly that. Mar 15 01:49:12 damn you can't leave for two bears without missing 'funny' news about those friggin nuke-plants Mar 15 01:49:12 DocScrutinizer: well over half of the fuel-rods are exposed in reactor 2 Mar 15 01:49:28 and there might be a leak in the primary container vessel Mar 15 01:49:41 now that i would wonder about that Mar 15 01:49:46 me too Mar 15 01:49:52 you bet there is, as otherwise how would there be explosions Mar 15 01:49:54 Any word from experts that is it going to be a 2nd Chernobyl or smaller? Mar 15 01:49:54 but that was something they said earlier Mar 15 01:50:04 it's not going to be chernobyl Mar 15 01:50:04 remember when Sandia driven a fighter jet into a concrete slab to test what the containment can survive? Mar 15 01:50:15 chernobyl didn't even shut down Mar 15 01:50:16 the jet left a , what, 3 inch scratch on the 40 inch thick concrete? Mar 15 01:50:26 Chernobyl was a completely different fuckup Mar 15 01:50:26 those reactors have been shut down right after the quake Mar 15 01:50:31 This is more Three Mile Island. Mar 15 01:50:36 yes Mar 15 01:50:38 more or less Mar 15 01:50:48 Chernobyl did not even have a containment to boot Mar 15 01:50:48 Ok, Three Mile Island is much more relieving news than a Chernobyl. Mar 15 01:50:55 it should be Mar 15 01:51:06 remember: the containment at TMI *did* hold. Mar 15 01:51:07 DocScrutinizer: http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/ Mar 15 01:51:25 and in chernobyl the safety-devices were shut down on purpose :) Mar 15 01:51:26 I watched CNN the other night and it seems like US experts are really talking out of their asses Mar 15 01:51:27 that's the only experiment anyone ever did into the containment , who knows why :P Mar 15 01:51:36 chx: PV isn't built to withstand a coremelt aka 70 tons of whiteglowing gue Mar 15 01:51:37 chernobyl was the fuckup of fuckups :) Mar 15 01:51:48 DocScrutinizer: it is. that's what it is built to do. Mar 15 01:52:03 luke-jr: Isn't that the link I posted 12h ago? Mar 15 01:52:06 Jartza: Agreed, a real fuck up. I actually remember that day still. Mar 15 01:52:07 Jartza: Chernobyl used graphite to moderate and guess what that was a brilliant idea... NOT. Mar 15 01:52:17 DrGrov: me too :) Mar 15 01:52:24 I am from Hungary and we were relatively close to Chernobyl :( Mar 15 01:52:40 Jartza: I was playing in the sandbox as a child and my father came and pick me up. The radiation reached the west coast easily Mar 15 01:52:50 DocScrutinizer: maybe, but it certainly explains the explosion Mar 15 01:53:18 DrGrov: I live less than 1000km from chernobyl :) Mar 15 01:53:27 Jartza: DamN :( Mar 15 01:53:47 yeah, sure, except that you don't know why external bottles of pressurized H2 should explode related to some action going on inside PV Mar 15 01:54:14 or around 1000km anyway... in finland :) Mar 15 01:54:40 Jartza: ouch. You guys warned the free world what was going on -- but we didnt know :( Mar 15 01:55:02 chx: yeah. the burning graphite did spread all the radiating goo all around Mar 15 01:55:03 Jartza: Actually about in which part of FInland do you live? Mar 15 01:55:21 so what's the news? Mar 15 01:55:26 chx: My missus is from Hungary as well and she also remembers that day clearly. Mar 15 01:55:26 any? Mar 15 01:55:27 the chernobyl radiation can actually still be found from finland, for example from mushrooms Mar 15 01:55:42 DrGrov: southern finland, nummi-pusula. around 70km from helsinki. Mar 15 01:55:56 northwest from helsinki Mar 15 01:56:03 Jartza: Ok, I live in Vaasa. That is perhaps closer to Chernobyl or? Mar 15 01:56:09 Jartza: which isotopes? C-137? Mar 15 01:56:16 Jartza: sure. here in Bavaria you still can't eat wild boar Mar 15 01:56:19 Jartza: they still test in the UK Mar 15 01:56:23 DrGrov: helsinki is closer to chernobyl :) Mar 15 01:56:30 vaasa is quite more to north Mar 15 01:56:38 DocScrutinizer: yeah :( Mar 15 01:56:44 Jartza: Yes it is. Ah, I was reading the fucking map the wrong way LOL Mar 15 01:56:52 BCMM: don't know that specifically :) Mar 15 01:56:56 this is supposedly a webcam of the power plant http://cs2.town.yanaizu.fukushima.jp/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?REQUEST_ID=1299883146285 is that steam? Mar 15 01:57:00 Jartza: actually all shot boar go to the special dump, for toxic waste etc Mar 15 01:57:08 Jartza: The winds were badly turning this way though Mar 15 01:57:28 yeah I think finland got quite a shitload of that goo from chernobyl Mar 15 01:57:40 Jartza: I remember the sky turning black Mar 15 01:57:41 but not that bad of course as the local people did Mar 15 01:57:53 No of course not but still we got a lot of that shit coming our way. Mar 15 01:58:50 actually finland noticed that the radiation levels were rising, but at first they thought it was a faulty meter :) Mar 15 01:58:50 doc|home: if that's actually fuckishima then that's seawater evaporated at a partial core meltdown Mar 15 01:59:13 of course the russians didn't tell anything Mar 15 01:59:17 DocScrutinizer: that's what I thought, but is that especially bad or just expected? Mar 15 01:59:41 obviously a continuing core meltdown is bad, but is this acceptable? Mar 15 01:59:50 it's both Mar 15 02:00:13 unfortunately they still use chernobyl-type reactors in russia Mar 15 02:00:51 Jartza: there's worse, there's one in Bulgaria, what it is called, i always forget, if they still did not show that one down, it can be the doom of the world Mar 15 02:01:27 BCMM: ok, I had to check the finnish radioactivity authority. it's cesium-137 that's still found from the mushrooms and berries Mar 15 02:01:38 this steam will carry all the decay isotopes with it, and deploy them all across the globe, or at least to where the wind blows in 1000 or 3000 or 30,000ft altitude Mar 15 02:01:50 oh good, Kozloduy was taken offline in 2004. phew. Mar 15 02:02:09 DocScrutinizer: what's the half-life of those? Mar 15 02:02:25 the problem reactors were supposed to be taken down 10 yrs ago too... Mar 15 02:02:38 and of course in seawater there's also lots of Iodine etc that gets charged up with radiation while passing thru the core Mar 15 02:02:43 chx: well, in russia there is still 16 of those graphite-reactors on full run :( Mar 15 02:03:03 ok, prime minister will give a special message to japanese people Mar 15 02:03:06 DocScrutinizer: from what I've been reading it's pretty short in released steam. No info about the current status Mar 15 02:03:06 Jartza: yes i know but Kozloduy was big enough for a China Syndrome thrice over :/ good that shit has been stopped. Mar 15 02:03:34 live news conf on nhk world Mar 15 02:03:41 half of the russias nuclear power comes from RBMK reactors... the same shit Mar 15 02:03:51 yes, have to check this NHK out now Mar 15 02:04:22 get to the point ... Mar 15 02:04:45 doc|home: halflife of H and O probably is irrelevant, but it carries all the Cs137 and Iodine and whatnot decay products fro then broken fuel rods, plus the minerals of seawater that get charged up in core radiation Mar 15 02:05:15 DocScrutinizer: meaning? Mar 15 02:05:34 meaning that's almost as bad as it gets Mar 15 02:05:47 ?? Mar 15 02:06:16 meaning nothing, unless you plan to take your vacation on there in few minutes. Mar 15 02:06:29 javispedro: hmm? Mar 15 02:06:30 "we would like to ask you to stay indoors" Mar 15 02:06:31 BS Mar 15 02:07:21 javispedro: I'd be interested in the upper cut-away 4/5 of that photo Mar 15 02:07:50 also for all I know wind is taking that shit to Tokyo right now Mar 15 02:07:59 speculation Mar 15 02:08:03 what photo? Mar 15 02:08:10 javispedro: http://cs2.town.yanaizu.fukushima.jp/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?REQUEST_ID=1299883146285 Mar 15 02:08:13 so they are basically telling that some radioactive shit has already been leaked, but they don't know the amount or the cause. Mar 15 02:08:13 http://cs2.town.yanaizu.fukushima.jp/-wvhttp-01-/GetOneShot?REQUEST_ID=1299883146285 Mar 15 02:08:20 javispedro: allegedly that's the plant now - webcam Mar 15 02:09:02 doc|home: I'd not know anything else on this globe that might look like that Mar 15 02:09:04 so what it's that? apart from vapor water. Mar 15 02:09:21 DocScrutinizer: I see that every day on my way to work from factories, just steam... Mar 15 02:09:23 decay products of broken rods Mar 15 02:09:38 not that size Mar 15 02:10:41 well it depends quite a lot about the condition of the reactor vessel itself Mar 15 02:10:46 wtf, fire in no 4 reactor? Mar 15 02:10:49 if people want certain answers, we could just drop a nuclear bomb on it Mar 15 02:10:51 that wasn't even operational Mar 15 02:10:52 then everything is clear Mar 15 02:10:53 and number 4 reactor is on fire. Mar 15 02:10:53 that's sea water that passed by a partially molten core that is constantly releasing decay products and radiation Mar 15 02:11:39 doc|home: who said it wasn't operational? Mar 15 02:11:45 everyone Mar 15 02:12:10 it might have been shut down prior to the quake, but that doesn't mean they may stop to cool it Mar 15 02:12:17 3 of the reactors were shut down before the quake even hit Mar 15 02:12:26 fully shut down afaik Mar 15 02:12:37 fully shut down is BS Mar 15 02:12:43 everything is bs with you Mar 15 02:12:51 almost as bad as fox :) Mar 15 02:12:55 DocScrutinizer: the released steam isn't that highly active, and the half-time is quite short Mar 15 02:12:58 yeah, because that'S all they tell Mar 15 02:13:00 we're talking about seconds Mar 15 02:13:16 2nd reactor holed Mar 15 02:13:23 as long as the reactor vessel itself is intact Mar 15 02:13:30 Jartza: says who? Mar 15 02:13:38 oh, on the outer containment Mar 15 02:13:41 not the inner one Mar 15 02:14:04 DocScrutinizer: quite many sources Mar 15 02:14:17 iaea for example Mar 15 02:14:29 DocScrutinizer: there was a spike in radioactivity, that's from when the building exploded. Went back down again. Mar 15 02:14:34 meh, you think they can cool down a core melt by sparying the PV with water? LOL Mar 15 02:14:51 it's going INTO the reactor, not the outside Mar 15 02:15:19 uhuh, so why is the steam clean then? Mar 15 02:15:39 it's not clean Mar 15 02:15:42 sorry that doesn't make sense Mar 15 02:15:46 lardman the "select image" ui on mbarcode is a bit funky, how would you link a "send to mbarcode" sharing plugin? Mar 15 02:16:07 http://bravenewclimate.com/2011/03/13/fukushima-simple-explanation/ Mar 15 02:16:09 doh earlypaste Mar 15 02:16:12 don't you notice all the bullshit they tell you? Mar 15 02:16:17 that's actually quite a good explanation Mar 15 02:16:35 I notice they don't tell us all, but I'm still not that paranoid :) Mar 15 02:16:40 Jartza: well, I posted that some 12h ago Mar 15 02:17:30 I'm not paranoid at all. I'd even work there, as I'm so old I can't get hurt except with megaRAD Mar 15 02:18:51 I've been inside a nuclear power plant many times :) Mar 15 02:18:57 seen it in action Mar 15 02:19:07 I've walked over the nuclear core! Mar 15 02:19:17 who hasn't! Mar 15 02:19:22 although there were few floor levels between :) Mar 15 02:19:39 actually, in Finland the nuclear plants are open to public Mar 15 02:19:44 javispedro: I was in a peat burning power plant? :( Mar 15 02:20:00 that is even better! Mar 15 02:20:02 and more dangerous! Mar 15 02:20:03 hehe Mar 15 02:20:04 if you want to visit a nuclear power plant, just call them. Mar 15 02:20:04 but there's no reasonable explanation how such steam can get produced without water passing by the fuel rods directly. And even Japan gvmt admittted tere's probably a partial core melt at all 3 blocks Mar 15 02:20:25 DocScrutinizer: like has been explained, the half life is in seconds Mar 15 02:20:32 (from what I've read anyway) Mar 15 02:20:45 for most of it that is Mar 15 02:20:49 not for the decay products of the rods that got freed Mar 15 02:21:46 sure most of it is just H2O which doesn't matter, but there's tons of that every minute Mar 15 02:21:47 hmmh. Mar 15 02:22:01 plus a few grams of cs137 and Pu Mar 15 02:22:33 and Iodine and Strontium Mar 15 02:22:50 that bleeds out of the broken fuel rods Mar 15 02:22:54 anyway, the radiation levels have been going down again Mar 15 02:23:01 don't get fooled by what they tell you Mar 15 02:23:16 I'd be worried about the fire, potentially radioactive ash and all that... Mar 15 02:23:48 doc|home: actually I don't see any radioactive substance involved in any fire Mar 15 02:23:58 so probably harmless Mar 15 02:24:01 except the reactor 4? Mar 15 02:24:02 hopefully Mar 15 02:24:12 which still has used fuel in it Mar 15 02:24:41 Jartza: all 6 blocks have fuel Mar 15 02:24:43 aiui Mar 15 02:24:44 sure Mar 15 02:24:57 3 blocks were under maintenance Mar 15 02:25:04 and all 6 need cooling Mar 15 02:25:31 sure, unless they were already subcritical Mar 15 02:25:39 which I think they were Mar 15 02:25:47 maybe one or two of the "off" blocks actually chilled down to safe levels since weeks or months Mar 15 02:26:00 DocScrutinizer: less speculation would be nice Mar 15 02:26:39 doc|home: less faith in what Tokyo Power Company publsihes would be reasonable Mar 15 02:27:00 in comparison to? Mar 15 02:27:02 Are the reactors powered by N900's? Mar 15 02:27:13 "some dude in #maemo"? Mar 15 02:27:17 they've been lying from the very beginning, shit since years Mar 15 02:27:19 or running Maemo on the control systems? Mar 15 02:27:35 orlok: yes Mar 15 02:27:50 WE ARE ALL DOOMED! Mar 15 02:27:54 heheheh Mar 15 02:28:08 orlok: you for sure are DOOMED Mar 15 02:28:32 |>()()|V| Mar 15 02:28:35 DooM! Mar 15 02:29:27 anyone figured out what direction that steam is heading? Mar 15 02:29:32 south Mar 15 02:29:34 inland or out to sea? Mar 15 02:29:43 as metioned before I simply don't care anymore, I'm too old. It's just I don't get it how everybody's eating the bullsh*t the authorities are feeding us Mar 15 02:30:07 ans even says "thank you!" Mar 15 02:30:48 meanwhile should be south, which means it's hitting Tokyo today Mar 15 02:31:45 * javispedro watches DocScrutinizer his own paranoidness grave Mar 15 02:31:47 that's old news we get in german TV weather forecast every hour since 2 days Mar 15 02:31:49 *dig his own... Mar 15 02:32:08 I'm as calm as can get Mar 15 02:32:19 just cackling about your excitement Mar 15 02:34:01 cloud most likely never will reach Europe, and even when it does, I survived Chernobyl and I was young and susceptible to cancer inducing isotopes back when. Now I just think "meh!" Mar 15 02:34:18 I survived chernobyl also Mar 15 02:34:24 but ist's actually funny how all of you try to talk down the obvious Mar 15 02:34:27 I was 14 then :) Mar 15 02:35:01 hm.. why does everyone mention chernobyl here? Was the russian woodpecker involved in the earthquake? Mar 15 02:35:15 javispedro: nah.. stalker is a cool game Mar 15 02:35:20 javispedro: paranoia and misunderstanding of the tech involved Mar 15 02:35:21 orlok: yes. Mar 15 02:35:44 javispedro: maybe because it ewas the only comarative event ever happening? Mar 15 02:36:02 javispedro: did council nominations close? Mar 15 02:36:09 except it's not comparative... 3 mile island is... Mar 15 02:36:16 I'm still comparing this to three mile island more than chernobyl :) Mar 15 02:36:21 and 3 Mile Island did exactly . . . nothing. Mar 15 02:36:24 doc|home: that's arguable Mar 15 02:36:24 chernobyl was still working at full capacity when it went pop Mar 15 02:36:28 GeneralAntilles: no msg yet, but I'd guess so. Mar 15 02:36:34 DocScrutinizer: for you maybe... Mar 15 02:36:52 javispedro: damn, I was thinking about tossing one of my Undeclinable Nominations on you. :P Mar 15 02:36:55 what's more, chernobyl is an different type of reactor Mar 15 02:36:55 GeneralAntilles: achipa sneaked in the last minute. Mar 15 02:37:00 no, for everybody. Actually you can't compare any of those past events Mar 15 02:37:00 Did he? Mar 15 02:37:02 Excellent. Mar 15 02:37:08 That man has his shit together. Mar 15 02:37:35 hehe Mar 15 02:37:49 w00t_ still sucks, though. Mar 15 02:38:13 GeneralAntilles: you suck! stand for voting Mar 15 02:38:35 DocScrutinizer: I'm almost as jaded and bitter as you. No need for me to make it worse. :P Mar 15 02:38:44 hehe Mar 15 02:38:47 OK Mar 15 02:38:51 * javispedro 's forgot about the full candidate list Mar 15 02:39:07 and everybody should vote for Felipe. Mar 15 02:39:15 either way, if there's less than 5 there's no election Mar 15 02:39:27 * javispedro is suddenly reminded of Elaine Marley Mar 15 02:41:28 Aye, but at least we'll have a council. Mar 15 02:45:53 well, do I really need to quote local TV N24 (asociated to CNN I guess)? >>Radiation increased *massively*, Japan Auth and Tokyo power corp say "extremely 'difficult' situation" (actually they used the term "fatally"), explosion in block2, fire in block4, ... errr I'm getting bored to parrot this while here we're arguing about halflife of sea water steam Mar 15 02:46:26 wake me up when a meteor crashes on it ;) Mar 15 02:48:07 face it: the core meltdown is under way on several of those blocks, and things won't get better, only much much worse. A pity and I'm not happy about that, but also I'm not in panic, it's just the bitter truth Mar 15 02:48:15 yeah, they talked about 400 millisieverts already Mar 15 02:48:37 DocScrutinizer: agreed Mar 15 02:48:42 but it's a pity they use microsieverts and millisieverts Mar 15 02:48:48 so what Mar 15 02:49:12 a core meltdown means the reactor is ruined, something one could already guess when they pumped in water into it (which tends to, well, ruin it) Mar 15 02:49:33 so I guess they're now debating wheter they will be able to dismantle it the normal way, or the fugly way. Mar 15 02:49:56 what I understood is that it's better to stop pumping the water in when it's melting? Mar 15 02:50:52 normal way as in "dangerously but normal fuel cycle", fugly way as in "bury everything, wait a few hundred years, unbury" Mar 15 02:51:05 javispedro: I guess htey are now discussing how to evacuate Tokyo Mar 15 02:51:32 yes, they're surely going to expand a 20km evacuation area into 300km Mar 15 02:51:35 which obviously isn't an option Mar 15 02:51:53 nah, they expanded it to 30 for now Mar 15 02:52:30 but for mere feasibility reasons, more doesn't make sense as it's not doable Mar 15 02:52:44 evacuation area is 20km, for 20-30km they asked people to stay inside, close air conditioning and windows Mar 15 02:53:00 yes Mar 15 02:53:06 maybe it's time to start pumping the lead in the reactor :) Mar 15 02:53:12 not much of a difference though Mar 15 02:53:15 and I guess that's where the "this evacuation it's a friggin nuisance" vs "this evacuation is a nice gesture" line is. Mar 15 02:53:38 or "this evacuation is just impossible" Mar 15 02:53:47 "let's just be polite" :) Mar 15 02:53:53 exactly Jartza Mar 15 02:55:46 their last option failed. The prognostics of several *experts* about how such an event happens on such a type of reactor are just in time. It's about time for the real core meltdown, after the hydrogen explosions happened Mar 15 02:56:21 now that last one was a bit over the top Mar 15 02:57:24 but actually, I can't see why everybody here is talking down the event while even tenco and gvmt are admitting it got as bad as it could Mar 15 02:57:44 because "it gets as bad as it can" is a complete nonstory Mar 15 02:58:14 that's my words to quote their statements Mar 15 02:58:28 well, meh Mar 15 02:58:45 well, they were too quick to say "as bad as it could" then. Mar 15 02:58:57 because I can think of a few ways it could get way worse... and still be a nonstory... Mar 15 02:59:04 if you're not interested in truth but rather want to deny. I don't feel urged to report here Mar 15 02:59:45 I don't think I've denied the meltdown at any point :) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Tue Mar 15 02:59:56 2011