**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 02:59:57 2011 Mar 20 03:12:19 GAN900: good point Mar 20 05:03:55 battle won, enemy (13 1.5mm^2 install wires, a switch, a mount cup for gypsum) buried. Now for hospital, curing my fingers ;-P Mar 20 05:14:07 damn, not even 2h to wait for a few answers Mar 20 05:15:21 GAN900: luke-jr: how about a 0900-number for answering questions like sleepee's in realtime? ;-D Mar 20 05:16:47 luke-jr: (network problems) it's been my router, and I'm scared about what wireshark showed me my laptop is doing on DNS Mar 20 05:18:30 ;; QUESTION SECTION:; preferences.settings.desktop IN ANY Mar 20 05:19:30 DNS-Answer_server-error;; // ICMP ->DNS port not reachable Mar 20 05:20:09 something's *severely* fsckd up on this KDE Suse **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 06:06:09 2011 **** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sun Mar 20 06:06:31 2011 Mar 20 08:30:55 Morning, all Mar 20 08:31:26 morning. Mar 20 08:46:37 reduced foss mediaplayer's usage by 4MBs :) Mar 20 08:46:43 RAM usage that is Mar 20 08:52:45 http://www.theonion.com/articles/microsoft-word-now-includes-squiggly-blue-line-to,19739/ Mar 20 08:52:57 Hello, human Mar 20 08:52:58 s Mar 20 09:28:10 rst38h, should also have the same for too long sentences Mar 20 09:35:09 hi earthlings Mar 20 09:37:31 good moaning Mar 20 09:37:33 I have just gotten a NOKIA N900 and I cannot send emails via WLAN, it always says, "ERROR". But sending them via GPRS works all fine. How can I fix it to be able to send mails per wlan? Mar 20 09:37:56 DocScrutinizer, autobots fall out Mar 20 09:38:27 aslkdjsa84: configure connection specific smtp-servers? Mar 20 09:39:09 what fallout? Mar 20 09:39:37 autobot creates radioactive fallout now? Mar 20 09:39:54 Gt Mar 20 09:40:11 Termana: it's "autobots roll out" :P Mar 20 09:40:23 alterego, ah :D Mar 20 09:40:49 Explains everything :p Mar 20 09:41:24 * DocScrutinizer lifts eyebrow Mar 20 09:42:21 frals how would the connection-specific settings for wlan be different to those for GPRS? Mar 20 09:42:48 DocScrutinizer: Transformers Mar 20 09:43:14 i assume that you have configured a smtpserver for GPRS which only allows subscribers to the network to send email and hence it fails when you try to use the same one from your wlan Mar 20 09:43:31 aslkdjsa84: different network, different ip, you could be blocked on the wlan but not on gprs Mar 20 09:43:37 http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformer Mar 20 09:43:51 ha ha Mar 20 09:44:16 I actually doubt I got more than one or two of them. Kinda obsolete technology Mar 20 09:44:26 DocScrutinizer: I said Transformers: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Transformers Mar 20 09:44:34 * alterego chuckles Mar 20 09:44:57 alterego, I think he understood that, just gaming with his troll face Mar 20 09:45:07 :p Mar 20 09:45:12 Termana: I know, but I wanted to play along :P Mar 20 09:45:36 I'm gaming with my old face Mar 20 09:46:10 DocScrutinizer: people should still know about them though, they're a very good simple elctronic component that would be useful to build should most of society die in a massive extinction event Mar 20 09:46:44 alterego: sure about it? Mar 20 09:47:04 About what? Mar 20 09:47:15 alterego, great for the power poles as well Mar 20 09:47:20 :D Mar 20 09:49:02 alterego: about people needing to know about transformers Mar 20 09:49:30 One the other hand, if they don't have transformers, how will they torture each other with electricity? Mar 20 09:49:58 hehe Mar 20 09:52:04 Speaking of electricity torture, I have a story with some shocking results Mar 20 09:52:12 RST38h: van-der-graaf Mar 20 09:52:33 Heh Mar 20 09:53:16 I was asked to do some scientific testing for a company, they filled up a pool and they wanted me to jump in and let them dunk a plugged in toaster in, all safe they said. Mar 20 09:53:26 So I decided I would do it Mar 20 09:53:40 Signed the indemnity forms Mar 20 09:53:49 Got there, pumped myself up Mar 20 09:53:54 Opened the door Mar 20 09:53:57 Got on the floor Mar 20 09:54:01 Everybody walk the dinosaur Mar 20 09:54:35 * alterego was just remembering the tazer seen in "The Hangover" Mar 20 09:54:44 "No, not you fat Jesus" Mar 20 09:58:40 Doc: Oh, yesss Mar 20 09:59:27 DocScrutinizer - the band? Mar 20 10:00:30 Termana: heh, I almost forgot about the band Mar 20 10:03:03 hmm, interesting Mar 20 10:03:23 mafw also creates gstreamer pipelines for videos Mar 20 10:03:29 I only have to set the window id Mar 20 10:03:33 it can't be that esay Mar 20 10:03:35 easy* Mar 20 10:04:27 Saddam 2.0 is on! Mar 20 10:04:35 where? where?! Mar 20 10:04:46 Lybia Mar 20 10:05:52 RST38h, Saddam didn't kill his OWN people though did he? Mar 20 10:05:58 He did Mar 20 10:06:04 Used chemic Mar 20 10:06:13 lovely Mar 20 10:06:14 al weapons on them even Mar 20 10:06:25 What a beautiful world we live in, amiright? Mar 20 10:06:44 yes, an interesting one, although, sadly, very predictable Mar 20 10:07:26 * RST38h checks if Lybia has got any oil and, yes, of course it has... Mar 20 10:08:23 oh, him Mar 20 10:08:39 though I think Saddam was a bit more, umm, sane Mar 20 10:08:51 anyway Mar 20 10:09:16 yea, this one is abit more cartoonish Mar 20 10:09:37 * MohammadAG wonders how to convert from int to ulong Mar 20 10:09:40 whatever ulong is Mar 20 10:10:15 (unsigned long)x Mar 20 10:10:22 or (ulong)x if you wish Mar 20 10:10:43 x is? Mar 20 10:10:45 ulong is your standard int, sans the sign Mar 20 10:10:49 x is your int Mar 20 10:18:26 europeans bombarding tripoli Mar 20 10:18:31 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=aEVnBtZT0nE Mar 20 10:19:22 * SpeedEvil imagines frenchmen being launched by mangonel. Mar 20 10:21:09 Speed: right now, it sounds more like Americans are doing most bombardment Mar 20 10:22:18 amazing how every word on the tv casts the events in the language of propaganda Mar 20 10:22:52 dunno, I am reading Russian news Mar 20 10:22:55 pupnik: wtf, is that a music videoclip or what? Mar 20 10:24:53 that's ridiculous Mar 20 10:28:24 fsckng clown with a sharp axe. And of course you know he forced his own citicens into the radar stations so either they won't get taken out or he can show the corpses. And of course he wouldn't even hesitate to shoot a hospital with own atillery then claim it's been the UN alliance Mar 20 10:29:01 http://www.news.com.au/breaking-news/what-would-you-do-if-rebels-attacked-us-cities-gaddafi-asks-obama/story-e6frfku0-1226024683575 What would you do if rebels attacked US cities, Gaddafi asks Obama Mar 20 10:29:06 they are all murderers Mar 20 10:31:46 Doc: You won't argue that actions by all sides provide for a mildly amusing circus performance, though? Mar 20 10:32:00 A bit macabre, but such is life Mar 20 10:35:24 yea Mar 20 10:35:41 it's not their own money Mar 20 10:35:44 Hey guys, I am having the n900 "operation failed" problem with the camera. Can anyone help me out ? There's a thread on maemo talk explaining what's going on here http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=971106#post971106 (long story short: flashing doesn't help) Mar 20 10:36:41 It helped for me. Mar 20 10:36:48 I know that's not helpful. Mar 20 10:37:06 maybe he could actually flash Mar 20 10:38:05 I did flash the device, with the current AMR release and I also did a eMMC flash with the VANILLA one Mar 20 10:39:33 Hello world Mar 20 10:44:24 neuer n900 benutzer, bedankt sich der comunity. unglaubliches telefon. netter tag allen zusammen. Mar 20 10:44:35 new n900 user, thanks to the comunity. incredible phone. nice day all together. Mar 20 10:47:10 gooten tag rootstock Mar 20 10:47:40 it's not a phone, it's a FM radio! Mar 20 11:06:29 how to check in terminal if it's there phone / skype / sip call right now? Mar 20 11:07:09 OkropNick: ? Mar 20 11:07:49 I need a functionality to execute script, but not during phone / skype / sip conversation Mar 20 11:09:04 aah Mar 20 11:09:08 :) Mar 20 11:09:45 interesting problem Mar 20 11:12:08 for sure monitoring dbus could provide info about state, but might be awkward Mar 20 11:12:22 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VMiMGOg53Ec&feature=player_embedded#at=26 Mar 20 11:13:03 alterego: wats that? Mar 20 11:14:51 http://www.networkworld.com/community/blog/phone-maker-publicly-says-%E2%80%98no%E2%80%99-wp7 oh no! Mar 20 11:15:06 (zte says 'meh' to windows phone) Mar 20 11:16:00 DocScrutinizer51: it's a visualisation of the history of gstreamer development over hte past 10 years Mar 20 11:16:04 In 5 minutes. Mar 20 11:16:07 It's quite neat :) Mar 20 11:16:14 alterego, nice effect Mar 20 11:17:15 Carsten posted it in meego-dev, thought people here might like a look. Mar 20 11:17:28 Erm, #meego-arm .. Mar 20 11:18:12 SpeedEvil: ZTE makes cheapo phones, of course they will not pay MS license fees Mar 20 11:18:43 (+ WP7 is pretty sad piece of sw, of course] Mar 20 11:20:09 light a candle Mar 20 11:20:25 RST38h, WP7 is not sad at all. it is just dumb. Mar 20 11:24:55 ...Heavy explosives were used to separate individuals from the swarm. Individuals were either pulverized or propelled beyond the 50 meter area of effect. After reduction of the swarm by at least 40%, individuals began to retaliate, propelling themselves at MTF members. Mar 20 11:25:32 Venemo: you can call it this way as well Mar 20 11:26:31 But a couple of WP7 phones displayed within a bunch of identically looking Android phones look really really sad Mar 20 12:35:34 ad-supported angry birds on android earns Rovio £600,000 monthly Mar 20 12:42:54 Sweet Mar 20 12:44:11 is suppose it's wastage of money (for advertisers) Mar 20 12:46:15 In december they introduced the 'Mighty Eagle' - a bird you can download for £0.89 to clear a level. Sold 2,000,000 times. Mar 20 12:46:19 grr, why is focus-in-event broken in Qt Mar 20 12:46:28 WTF Mar 20 12:46:41 2m? Mar 20 12:47:00 people are lazy Mar 20 12:47:00 yup Mar 20 12:47:25 i like these Rovio guys :) Mar 20 12:48:28 MohammadAG, :) Mar 20 12:48:38 maybe someday they can buy nokia and kick out elop Mar 20 12:48:55 lcuk, windows, not text boxes :P Mar 20 12:49:18 MohammadAG, is there much difference? Mar 20 12:49:44 lcuk, as a concept, no Mar 20 12:50:51 it works in Venemo's puzzle master... Mar 20 12:52:29 MohammadAG, that is because venemo is awesome Mar 20 13:30:09 ffs can't figure out how to play videos with mafw :/ Mar 20 13:30:24 actually, can't figure out if I need to make a gstreamer widget myself, or if mafw handles that Mar 20 13:30:34 by looking at the code, it seems to be making once itself Mar 20 14:05:52 is there any apps for remote controlling boxee/xbmc with n900? Mar 20 14:06:56 besides the web remote.. Mar 20 15:13:40 is there a way to see which functions/methods are being called in an app Mar 20 15:14:32 MohammadAG: how hard can making video with mafw be? can you point at the relevant mafw docs, I'll take a look? Mar 20 15:14:51 (can't take a very long look though since I'm supposed to be doing stuff) Mar 20 15:15:58 villager, http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/beta/mafw/MafwRenderer.html#MAFW-PROPERTY-RENDERER-XID:CAPS Mar 20 15:16:53 MohammadAG: the xid? do you have one? Mar 20 15:16:57 basically, I'm not sure if that has to be a GstElement, or any window Mar 20 15:17:05 yes, can easily get it with Qt Mar 20 15:17:42 MohammadAG: well if it's an X id, it's for a X window... gst elements aren't windows... Mar 20 15:17:56 villager, http://pastebin.com/60jGBeVU <-- mafw code handling what gets set Mar 20 15:18:25 looking at that, there seems to be a valid gstreamer element (worker->vsink) Mar 20 15:19:34 yet stringing the stock mediaplayer binary returns http://pastebin.com/HjELqpMN Mar 20 15:20:18 presumably the mafw renderer would create that sink, right? Mar 20 15:20:41 it just needs the window. What window do you have? Mar 20 15:20:52 apparently, it is, but why is the stock player linked against gstreamer Mar 20 15:21:29 I have the now playing window Mar 20 15:21:49 requesting playObject(objectId) opens a window, closes it, then resumes old playback Mar 20 15:21:59 a window you're using for something else? that won't work Mar 20 15:22:32 I have a widget inside that window Mar 20 15:22:38 and each widget is backed by a window Mar 20 15:22:45 it must be a window with its own Expose handler (or whatever Qt calls it, perhaps paint or something) Mar 20 15:23:11 basically a canvas-like widget Mar 20 15:23:36 but the widget has a window ID Mar 20 15:23:39 a unique one Mar 20 15:24:14 sure, but it can't just be *any* old widget it's the ID of Mar 20 15:24:51 err, what? Mar 20 15:25:13 so if this is a widget, what kind of widget did you make it? Mar 20 15:25:46 umm, a QWidget? Mar 20 15:25:54 with this flag set Qt::WA_NativeWindow 100 Indicates that a native window is created for the widget. Enabling this flag will also force a native window for the widget's ancestors unless Qt::WA_DontCreateNativeAncestors is set. Mar 20 15:26:00 this mafw obviously wants to use a hardware video overlay to render the video, there are some requirements for that Mar 20 15:27:06 the stock player does have _OMAP_VIDEO_OVERLAY(INTEGER) = 1 set on it Mar 20 15:27:43 MohammadAG: have you set this "autopaint" property on the mafw renderer? maybe that'll make it less work to fix the widget Mar 20 15:28:34 villager, the stock player doesn't set it afaik Mar 20 15:28:36 * MohammadAG checks Mar 20 15:29:24 MohammadAG: no, but it does know how to make proper widgets, and it seems you don't Mar 20 15:30:00 no, it isn't Mar 20 15:32:51 MohammadAG: if the widget has an appropriate Expose handler, then it can do the painting itself... which I'd guess the media player would do, of course... but if mafw can do it itself with autopaint, maybe that's easier than figuring out how to do the paint yourself Mar 20 15:33:24 heh Mar 20 15:33:58 what's an Expose handler exactly? the X11 window ID? Mar 20 15:34:06 hmm, where's the api doc for mafw-gst-renderer Mar 20 15:34:41 it's the code that repaints the window... any window has one... for example, the Expose handler for a button would redraw the button Mar 20 15:34:58 paintEvent() in Qt Mar 20 15:35:39 but in toolkits, only certain widget classes are supposed to have that overridden by the programmer... canvas-type widgets Mar 20 15:36:51 well, it can easily be overriden Mar 20 15:36:56 overridden* Mar 20 15:37:18 and MafwRenderer's docs are the ones I pointed you to Mar 20 15:37:35 where's the api docs for MafwGstRenderer, I wonder? Mar 20 15:37:56 it ought to have something for that Mar 20 15:43:06 umm, I linked you to MafwRenderer's docs, it's the same as MafwGstRenderer Mar 20 15:43:34 not really, MafwGstRenderer would be a subclass Mar 20 15:44:15 it may have its own interfaces in addition to that Mar 20 15:45:23 well, found the code, guess it doesn't add much there Mar 20 15:51:25 MohammadAG: what's important here is probably that when you set the xid property, the window must be already visible, and Qt must not ever draw on that window (in its own paint event handlers) after you've set the property Mar 20 15:51:46 unless you hook into gst directly Mar 20 15:53:11 MohammadAG: a hardware overlay depends on the window to be painted with the correct color key... if Qt paints the window with a different color, it won't show anything Mar 20 15:53:53 villager, it is already visible, already read that somewhere Mar 20 15:54:32 hmm, come to think of it, if you make your own paintEvent handler, you can probably read the mafw colorkey property and paint the window with that color Mar 20 15:55:15 that should make repainting safe Mar 20 15:55:24 and you wouldn't have to turn on autopaint Mar 20 15:56:01 MohammadAG: you're not painting the widget at all right now, are you? Mar 20 15:56:53 I'm guessing that's what media player does, then... Mar 20 15:57:12 villager, no, I didn't override the paint event Mar 20 15:57:29 it's a simple window with a simple QWidget, but the widgets are backed by windows Mar 20 15:57:52 MohammadAG: well, you need to fill that window with the colorkey somehow, otherwise it'll never show anything Mar 20 15:59:09 the gstreamer sink has methods you can call from your own expose handler to make it do that for you (including some autopaint stuff), but builtin mediaplayer and mafw apparently prefers you to do it yourself and read the property to know what color Mar 20 16:00:51 well, that explains the weird green-black colour in the stock player Mar 20 16:02:49 that's how hardware overlays work... it's like the green-screen/blue-screen technique used in movies and tv, where there's a special color behind the actors, and then a computer overlays a virtual background onto pixels with that special color, and it looks like the actor is there Mar 20 16:04:53 Venemo, hey Mar 20 16:05:00 would you mind if i PM? Mar 20 16:05:13 so hardware overlays, as used on n900, will only load the hardware-decoded video image onto pixels that have the special color Mar 20 16:05:47 zogg_, I wouldn't mind Mar 20 16:05:49 that allows you to put an UI "on top" which is not overwritten by the hardware overlay Mar 20 16:06:05 MohammadAG: get it? Mar 20 16:08:07 villager, yes, but it still doesn't explain why 1) playObject() is making a new window, then destroying it and resuming playback, 2) the video isn't played at all Mar 20 16:09:45 MohammadAG: what do you mean by "resuming playback" if the video isn't played? Mar 20 16:10:31 villager, playing an object means mafw will play that, then after it's stopped, the previous playlist resumes Mar 20 16:11:12 MohammadAG: so by resuming playback you mean it skips to next track? Mar 20 16:12:58 MohammadAG: anyway I wouldn't know exactly what is going wrong without seeing a bit more complete code of what exactly you're doing Mar 20 16:13:02 villager, basically, yes, or plays the one that was playing Mar 20 16:13:23 Elena, heeeey Mar 20 16:13:25 sup buddy Mar 20 16:13:42 Hi, ZogG Mar 20 16:14:08 Elena, don't be shoked Mar 20 16:14:10 /query Venemo Mar 20 16:14:15 cause MohammadAG can bite you Mar 20 16:14:20 he is dirty boy Mar 20 16:14:26 Elena fail Mar 20 16:14:27 villager, sec Mar 20 16:14:29 ok ;) Mar 20 16:14:30 with no space Mar 20 16:14:48 ... Mar 20 16:15:26 MohammadAG: from the mafw-gst code, it seems that should only happen if you did not set the xid property early enough Mar 20 16:16:04 villager, http://pastebin.com/vDXinBUW Mar 20 16:16:22 MohammadAG, when you poked around screenlock does it only displays unlock screen or black screen and other stuff is also releated to it? Mar 20 16:16:22 you only need the last two methods Mar 20 16:16:37 it's fired with a QTimer after 2s to be sure the window is visible before it's called Mar 20 16:16:45 (of course, that'll change when I get it working) Mar 20 16:17:32 villager, as for setWindowXid, it's here http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/blobs/master/mafwrendereradapter.cpp#line358 Mar 20 16:17:49 MohammadAG: what's isRendererReady? Mar 20 16:19:04 hmm guess that's in there too Mar 20 16:22:45 villager, just checks if the renderer is null or not Mar 20 16:25:11 MohammadAG: just in case, you've checked that the windowId you get isn't null, right? Mar 20 16:26:33 villager, no, it's valid Mar 20 16:26:33 75497542 <-- at least it looks valid to me Mar 20 16:28:33 Hi, sorry to create noise, but I am just trying this out (just trying out IRC.) Can anyone tell me if this is getting through? Mar 20 16:29:04 Yes. Mar 20 16:29:55 simon`, i can't hear you, SPEAK LOUDER Mar 20 16:30:09 simon`: if it appears on your screen it has gone to the server and been sent back :P Mar 20 16:31:44 Thanks all. Where can I find some information on how IRC works? Mar 20 16:31:59 hrm, google? Mar 20 16:33:31 simon`: Google IRC RFC Mar 20 16:34:07 http://www.irchelp.org/irchelp/rfc/rfc.html Mar 20 16:36:17 right... Mar 20 16:36:43 We never got Bugzilla karma repaired, did we? Mar 20 16:36:47 alterego: not really, any regular text (as opposed to commands, like join) you write is not sent back by the server, it is echoed locally Mar 20 16:42:25 MohammadAG: that mafwrenderer adapter should consider connecting the "error" signal as well, to see why it fails Mar 20 16:54:21 villager, no errors Mar 20 16:59:18 hmm, maybe something's failing fairly early Mar 20 17:00:55 MohammadAG: there's one thing I've been wondering... what is that Ui::VideoNowPlayingWindow in line 11? Mar 20 17:04:02 villager, creates the UI widgets for the window Mar 20 17:04:28 hmm, I think I might see the problem Mar 20 17:04:31 the UI's done with Qt Designer, so the .ui file is converted to a header with the class Ui Mar 20 17:05:46 the mafw dox says that the xid property is an ulong, which is what the adapter sets... but mafw-gst-renderer assumes it to be an uint... Mar 20 17:06:34 not sure if glib is that strict about it or not Mar 20 17:06:43 it might be Mar 20 17:08:32 I guess the repos are down? Mar 20 17:08:37 yeah, I had the glib sources around... it actually is that strict and will return 0 if the type mismatches, which of course gst will interpret as "no window" Mar 20 17:08:50 and thus try to create its own window Mar 20 17:09:12 not sure whether that would stop the video from playing though, hmm Mar 20 17:11:10 should I try passing a uint? Mar 20 17:11:12 still, big problem... so the adapter needs to use uint instead of ulong to set the xid property, at least Mar 20 17:11:31 yeah try that Mar 20 17:14:27 hmm, yeah that would cause the video to stop Mar 20 17:14:39 since mafw doesn't like to have no xid Mar 20 17:15:47 but then there should have been something on the error signal... Mar 20 17:15:57 actually monitoring dbus shows it is indeed uint32 Mar 20 17:16:45 this wouldn't go through dbus I think? Mar 20 17:18:23 all mafw related stuff is done over dbus Mar 20 17:21:27 weird stuff... Mar 20 17:23:04 hey, that worked Mar 20 17:23:39 didn't even have to add the colour part Mar 20 17:25:44 well I guess it paints the colorkey itself on pipeline startup... but if other stuff happens like popup notifications, having a way to repaint might be needed, depending... Mar 20 17:27:02 popups are blocked Mar 20 17:27:32 that's what setDNDAtom's for Mar 20 17:28:04 it's possible to override dnd, though... Mar 20 17:28:31 probably only very important stuff do that, of course Mar 20 17:28:44 I think Battery low overrides it Mar 20 17:29:43 http://maemoide.nokia.com/fremantle/index.jsp?topic=/org.maemo.mica.maemosdk.help.guide.hildonwidgetui/html/node5.html Mar 20 17:29:56 well, you can wait with the colorkey stuff until it appears to be needed, I guess Mar 20 17:30:04 but yes, you're right Mar 20 17:30:23 if anything's painted on top, the video disappears Mar 20 17:37:26 hello Mar 20 17:37:46 Aloha Mar 20 17:40:46 did anyone try to use Avidemux to convert movies to n900 compatible files? Mar 20 18:20:37 Hi. I'm currently trying to install mBarcode on my N900, which used to be in Extras-Devel, but I don't seem to find it. Can anybody help me out? Thanks in advance. Mar 20 18:22:27 hi Dorfmeister - does google help? Mar 20 18:23:13 Dorfmeister, it should still be there Mar 20 18:23:36 http://maemo.org/packages/view/mbarcode/ Mar 20 18:24:03 Hm.. Mar 20 18:24:23 Ah, got it. Thank you very much. Mar 20 18:25:09 is it possible to route mic into speakers on the N900 ? (or even better: into the FM transmitter, cause that's my aim :D) Mar 20 18:30:48 jacktheripper, arecord | aplay Mar 20 18:30:56 fyi, that's probably the worst way to do it Mar 20 18:32:28 I was trying to run jackd earlier, but I get this: http://pastebin.com/nGUsVhfc Remains even after adding the entry both in /etc/limits.conf and /etc/security/limits.conf Mar 20 18:36:49 Hello, I am wondering if there exists an OSC (open sound control) app for maemo that communicates with the accellerometers in the n900? Mar 20 18:38:14 jacktheripper: mixing jackd with pulseaudio doesn't sound like a good idea Mar 20 18:40:47 MohammadAG, arecord | aplay is a bit slow and noisy, but not too bad. Mar 20 18:40:56 villager, could I stop pulseaudio when I'm doing that ? Mar 20 18:43:28 wgho doesn't know who are those women? http://static.black-frames.net/images/zoey-deschanel-and-katy-perry.jpg Mar 20 18:43:29 celesteh, onedotzero Mar 20 18:43:45 the first user visible app for n900 uses both accelerometer and opensoundcontrol :) Mar 20 18:43:57 some clones Mar 20 18:44:00 villager, what was your tip on making painting overlays not affect the video itself? Mar 20 18:44:09 should I only set the colour? Mar 20 18:45:05 jacktheripper: wouldn't recommend bypassing pulseaudio unless you know what you're doing, since pulse is the only thing protecting your speakers from blowing out... what do you want jack for anyway? Mar 20 18:45:08 noone gives a f =( Mar 20 18:45:45 villager, I'd have the FM transmitter turned on during that. I want my own personal radio station B-) Mar 20 18:47:50 jacktheripper: well you won't need jack for that, just keep pulseaudio Mar 20 18:50:07 jacktheripper: I think there's a pulse command or plugin that can route sound directly from a source to a sink directly inside the daemon, which sounds like what you need Mar 20 18:51:15 jacktheripper: even better, maybe there's an amixer command to tell the hardware to do it Mar 20 18:58:25 http://www.buzzfeed.com/mjs538/50-unexplainable-black-white-photos Mar 20 19:26:33 jacekowski, you changed the Nokia logo in NOLO right? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71263 Mar 20 19:26:45 no Mar 20 19:26:47 i can remove it Mar 20 19:26:56 and i know where it's stored Mar 20 19:27:03 but i don't know what format is it Mar 20 19:27:11 somebody suggested that it's qt pixmap Mar 20 19:28:30 why would NOLO hold a Qt pixmap Mar 20 19:28:31 jacekowski, got a copy of the logo? Mar 20 19:28:58 http://maemo.jacekowski.org/binary/nolo/ Mar 20 19:28:58 here Mar 20 19:30:06 what's 1-3? Mar 20 19:31:30 NOKIA Mar 20 19:31:33 usb logo Mar 20 19:31:59 and and something Mar 20 19:32:03 with a spanner Mar 20 19:33:37 btw, no, it's not a Qt pixmap Mar 20 19:33:55 jacekowski, 770 with spanner, R&D logo Mar 20 19:34:18 http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1069&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Mar 20 19:34:23 http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1072&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Mar 20 19:34:29 http://gallery.jacekowski.org/main.php?g2_itemId=1075&g2_imageViewsIndex=1 Mar 20 19:35:09 these are the pictures Mar 20 19:47:07 why can't i see mobilehotspot in ham? Mar 20 19:47:40 let's check Mar 20 19:48:02 hmm it says it needs kernel-power Mar 20 19:48:25 amazing, we have imagemagick on n900 Mar 20 19:48:55 BCMM, cause your ham is not tasty Mar 20 19:51:43 i LOVE having 'locate' on n900 Mar 20 19:51:53 pupnik, HOW? Mar 20 19:51:57 how did you do it? Mar 20 19:52:06 ? package is in repo Mar 20 19:52:12 it's just slightly broken :D Mar 20 19:52:18 which one? Mar 20 19:52:20 locate? Mar 20 19:52:23 yes Mar 20 19:53:02 the executeable is dumped in something like /usr/gnu or /usr/bin/gnu or something Mar 20 19:53:09 so i moved those files into the path Mar 20 19:53:21 pupnik tha's why i have it but it doesn't work Mar 20 19:53:30 you linked it? Mar 20 19:53:36 nah just mv Mar 20 19:53:41 ok i'll search locate with find =) Mar 20 19:53:46 haha Mar 20 19:53:50 but you should share on TMO Mar 20 19:53:58 TMO? Mar 20 19:54:04 just needs a little fix :( Mar 20 19:54:19 khorben_, TMO!!! Mar 20 19:54:29 I'm new to maemo development :/ Mar 20 19:54:41 talk.maemo.org Mar 20 19:54:42 khorben_, first thing you need to learn TMO Mar 20 19:54:48 pupnik, tell him Mar 20 19:54:51 doing that Mar 20 19:55:01 pupnik, why idd you ruin it? Mar 20 19:55:47 ah a forum? Mar 20 19:56:42 euh? Mar 20 19:56:49 i didn't ruin it Mar 20 19:57:25 it's the maemo forum khorben_ Mar 20 19:57:52 we don't likes forumzzzzz (j/k, good to know) Mar 20 19:58:30 i haven't been good at following the forums since n900 release Mar 20 19:58:33 so many newbs Mar 20 19:59:10 pupnik, you ruined everything Mar 20 19:59:21 locate works great Mar 20 19:59:22 khorben_ now hates you Mar 20 20:02:46 QML ScrollIndicator which auto-hides and only shows when you're interacting with the flickable _and_ when the content exceeds the flickables viewable area: http://pastie.org/1693510 Mar 20 20:05:06 pupnik: i'm sure they are all gone :) Mar 20 20:05:24 considering they probably threw their n900s into walls after nokia totally screwed up a wet dream Mar 20 20:05:36 Macer: yeah that's kind of a benefit to this whole 'maemo is dead' thing Mar 20 20:05:41 hahah Mar 20 20:05:54 hahaha Mar 20 20:05:58 fair point ;) Mar 20 20:06:04 have you seen Kotczarny's "osc"? Mar 20 20:06:12 playing with it right now... it's real fun Mar 20 20:06:14 when are they goign to close down maemo.org? Mar 20 20:06:19 oscilloscope visualizations Mar 20 20:06:22 i would guess that someone does not want to host it anymore :) Mar 20 20:06:24 never Mar 20 20:06:31 never? Mar 20 20:06:33 you think? Mar 20 20:06:38 i give it a year or two :) Mar 20 20:06:46 before they move it all to meego.org heh Mar 20 20:07:00 doesn't nokia host maemo.org? Mar 20 20:15:06 Macer, that's correct Mar 20 20:16:26 Venemo why do you need to alwasy lie man? Mar 20 20:16:36 Macer, don't listen to his lies =) Mar 20 20:19:49 zogg_, wut? Mar 20 20:19:57 ) Mar 20 20:20:10 * zogg_ is bored Mar 20 20:20:52 I see. Mar 20 20:25:13 zogg_: haha Mar 20 20:25:23 i've been playing with kubuntu for a while Mar 20 20:25:28 wow it is nice :) Mar 20 20:25:44 Macer, just be carefull, venemo is the dark side of maemo community Mar 20 20:25:48 qt can make some pretty stuff.. makes me wonder if i will ever see it on my n900 haha Mar 20 20:25:56 zogg_: there is no light side to it ;) Mar 20 20:25:59 only levels of darkness Mar 20 20:26:01 i don't like kubuntu Mar 20 20:26:04 and kde Mar 20 20:26:05 zogg_, please stop this. I AM the LIGHT side of the Maemo Community. Mar 20 20:26:18 i didn't liked Qt as i didn't realize kde is not Qt Mar 20 20:26:34 zogg_, I don't like ubuntu or kde either. that's why I use Fedora with Gnome Mar 20 20:26:37 Qt is Qt and KDE is just using KDE Mar 20 20:26:39 zogg_: heh. well. i do .. i think kde is the best thing linux has to offer as far as a desktop Mar 20 20:26:47 gnome reminds me of symbian Mar 20 20:26:55 something that has been around way too long and just doesn't know when to die Mar 20 20:27:00 :) Mar 20 20:27:06 Macer haha Mar 20 20:27:08 lovely Mar 20 20:27:13 what do you think about Gnome 3, Macer Mar 20 20:27:15 but so not true Mar 20 20:27:23 Venemo: honestly haven't tried it Mar 20 20:27:35 but i am sure if it is still gtk2 based then it has the same oldish look to it Mar 20 20:27:37 what do you think about xfce4, *box, e17? Mar 20 20:27:41 awesome? Mar 20 20:27:53 xfce4 was kind of lame.. reminded me of a different styled gnome Mar 20 20:27:55 Macer, not really. it's Gtk3 based. Mar 20 20:27:58 blackbox was awesome Mar 20 20:28:00 :) Mar 20 20:28:00 macer you can make gtk look futuristic! Mar 20 20:28:07 zogg_, xfce is even simpler than gnome. Mar 20 20:28:08 lcuk: hah. no you can't Mar 20 20:28:14 Macer, sure you can Mar 20 20:28:17 Macer, you don't have taste than Mar 20 20:28:27 Venemo, that's the point Mar 20 20:28:29 see the screenshots at http://gnome3.org/ Mar 20 20:28:34 simplicity is beauty Mar 20 20:28:34 zogg_: possibly ;) i just like kde.. seems to be the nicest looking thing i've used so far Mar 20 20:28:45 shinny blinking things? Mar 20 20:28:47 ah crap Mar 20 20:28:54 damn it's like web 2.0 Mar 20 20:28:58 there you go, crotum is a futuristic gtk theme Mar 20 20:29:01 http://linux.softpedia.com/progScreenshots/Scutum-Screenshot-41364.html Mar 20 20:29:04 err scrotum Mar 20 20:29:06 i like minimalistics Mar 20 20:29:10 errr scotum Mar 20 20:29:30 yeah... gnome3 still looks like old motif crap :) Mar 20 20:29:30 I use Shiki-Wise from this collection: http://gnome-look.org/content/show.php/Shiki-Colors?content=86717 Mar 20 20:29:43 it looks a lot better than most themes Mar 20 20:31:05 Venemo, show me screenies Mar 20 20:31:46 yeah i'm sorry... but gnome3 still looks horrible compared to kde ;) Mar 20 20:32:19 Macer, KDE is sluggish and overcomplicated. apart from this, I like it too. Mar 20 20:32:33 Venemo: i'll give you the sluggish part but only on older hardware Mar 20 20:33:03 it especailly requires a good video card Mar 20 20:33:18 of which i am not using now :) but i do want to put kubuntu on an alienware m11 Mar 20 20:33:21 Macer, it starts up very slowly Mar 20 20:33:30 Venemo: you think? i didn't think it was too bad Mar 20 20:33:56 Macer, Venemo http://imgur.com/6xBti Mar 20 20:34:03 i guess the first startup took a little longer than normal but after it writes its config files it is usually pretty quick on the start up Mar 20 20:34:21 i would rather get stronger hardware and make it faster than to use an inferior looking wm Mar 20 20:34:28 Macer, also, it's hard to find settings in it. at least I found the interface overcomplicated. Mar 20 20:36:34 Macer, I particularly liked the plasma widgets. I played about 15 minutes with the "bouncy ball" widget, then found them not so useful :) Mar 20 20:37:45 strange file in my home dir... 1825847 Mar 7 02:10 .save.(null) Mar 20 20:38:23 Venemo: heh. i use the weather and stock widgets ;) Mar 20 20:38:36 i need to find a godo stock ticker widget Mar 20 20:38:42 better with a motif look than something that looks as much like crap as kde does... Mar 20 20:38:42 Macer, bouncy ball is stock. and it was the most entertaining one among them :P Mar 20 20:38:50 yeah? Mar 20 20:39:08 Venemo: i agree with you on KDE - that's how it feels to me Mar 20 20:39:16 or used to feel, at least Mar 20 20:40:07 pupnik :) Mar 20 20:40:14 oh Mar 20 20:40:23 Venemo: stock market widget i meant ;) Mar 20 20:40:29 heh Mar 20 20:40:34 i am going to look for a good one now Mar 20 20:40:38 anyway, if Gnome 3 won't meet my expectations, I'll probably switch to KDE. Mar 20 20:40:44 * SpeedEvil ponders filing a bug against bouncy-ball. Mar 20 20:40:54 It shows half a ball here. Mar 20 20:41:00 SpeedEvil: hahahhaha Mar 20 20:41:06 maybe your background is red? :) Mar 20 20:41:09 naah. Mar 20 20:41:14 I get the top half only Mar 20 20:41:19 SpeedEvil, lol Mar 20 20:44:22 http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/sneak-peek-at-archos-gen-9-tablets-1-6-ghz-dual-core-a9-process/ Mar 20 20:44:44 any reason to use easy debian instead of arch linux? Mar 20 20:44:51 on the n900, that is, since I'm most used to arch... Mar 20 20:45:10 internetishard, internet is not hard Mar 20 20:45:51 It is soft? Mar 20 20:46:01 no cellphone though? Mar 20 20:46:28 internetishard: Is there a suitable arch chroot Mar 20 20:46:28 ? Mar 20 20:46:35 RST38bis: 'disruptive 3G' Mar 20 20:46:55 pupnik, what do they mean by disruptive? Mar 20 20:46:56 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=66531 Mar 20 20:46:56 i think 'disruptive' is the buzzword of 2011 Mar 20 20:47:12 Venemo: 'game changer' 'market shake-up-er' Mar 20 20:47:18 mhm Mar 20 20:47:30 'pine-scented' Mar 20 20:48:12 i kind of like angstrom on archos as-is Mar 20 20:48:22 needs a few things like wlan and powersave Mar 20 20:48:46 pupniK what do they mean? Mar 20 20:49:02 you trolling me? Mar 20 20:49:11 yessss =) Mar 20 20:49:31 good Mar 20 20:49:45 i was worried for a moment Mar 20 20:53:36 but real man is RST38bis Mar 20 20:53:48 he uses ssh only with console Mar 20 20:54:14 I'm curious if someone maintains a list of impressive things only the n900 can do... Mar 20 20:55:53 can run the game of life at 24 fps while drawing an oscilloscope Mar 20 20:56:06 what impresses you Mar 20 20:56:12 I found that being able to back my laptop up via rsync when the drive was going dodgy was awesome. Mar 20 20:56:28 USB host mode is awesome Mar 20 20:56:47 i can make n900 to make me coffees in morning Mar 20 20:58:50 I'm impressed by modularity Mar 20 20:59:14 a collection of tools more extensive than the next... USB host mode is cool as fuck...haven't tried it yet htough Mar 20 20:59:52 The most annoying thing is that the 'core' system apps and daemons are closed. Mar 20 21:00:06 about maemo in general? Mar 20 21:00:20 I can see that - yeah, I'd be surprised to hear any reasonable rationale for that Mar 20 21:00:42 For example, not being able to have groups in the address book is ridiculous and easily added Mar 20 21:00:50 There is a very simple rationale. Mar 20 21:01:26 what's that? Mar 20 21:01:31 _everything_ about the way the closed stuff has been developed makes sense if you look at it from the point of view of 'how can we benefit from open-source, but make sure that other phone makers can't. Mar 20 21:02:10 For example, an innovative and easy to use wifi configurator user-developed that could be stolen by other makers can't happen. Mar 20 21:02:10 Is there an issue with the default browser as to why it seemingly has to think for a bit before starting to load any web page..? Mar 20 21:02:40 So control of the OSS community's efforts Mar 20 21:02:44 As the internet configuration is by closed daemons, that interconnect in wierd and undocumented ways. Mar 20 21:03:00 The browser is pretty instant for me. Mar 20 21:03:03 wtf Mar 20 21:03:09 att bought tmobile?? Mar 20 21:03:23 internetishard: i've noticed that; even applies to file:// urls Mar 20 21:03:32 indeed! Mar 20 21:03:38 att bought tmobile?? | WHAT Mar 20 21:03:46 i'm not american but WHAT? Mar 20 21:03:47 makes it a bit annoying when the iphoner's pull up a web page so much faster Mar 20 21:03:48 pretty sure the GUI displays before the browser has really started up Mar 20 21:03:51 haha Mar 20 21:04:01 with quick fingers and opera, I can compete, but otherwise it is quite slow Mar 20 21:04:07 i think they only got tmob USA Mar 20 21:04:13 hmm Mar 20 21:04:16 actually - yes Mar 20 21:04:20 I seewhat you mean. Mar 20 21:04:31 BCMM_: omg help me! Mar 20 21:04:35 I suspect it's loading the actual browser. Mar 20 21:04:38 i went to tmob to LEAVE att Mar 20 21:04:43 but i must say, i thought there was supposed to be some kind of monpoly law Mar 20 21:04:43 great Mar 20 21:04:45 The 'loading' bar is actually fake. Mar 20 21:04:49 monopoly Mar 20 21:04:50 macer you are trapped Mar 20 21:04:52 BCMM_: isn't it for each new page you go to? Mar 20 21:05:10 who is left? verizon... cricket... sprint.. att Mar 20 21:05:13 boost Mar 20 21:05:16 I have tmo, this is probably going to fuck with my plan Mar 20 21:05:29 orange IL Mar 20 21:05:33 MohammadAG, tell them Mar 20 21:05:38 orange IL rocks Mar 20 21:05:43 internetishard: doesn't look like it, i don't get that if there's already a window open Mar 20 21:05:51 there goes my 68$/mo bill for unlimited everything and 600minutes Mar 20 21:06:14 (i'm launching the browser by a desktop bookmark that points to a local file:// url) Mar 20 21:06:32 http://tech.fortune.cnn.com/2011/03/20/att-mobile-att-buys-t-mobile-usa/ Mar 20 21:06:32 internetishard: maybe you're just seeing network latency? Mar 20 21:06:51 definitely not Mar 20 21:06:56 yeah, it happens with local stuff too Mar 20 21:07:10 hmm Mar 20 21:07:11 for example, I have that 13gig mirror of wikipedia locally using that one app Mar 20 21:07:24 I'm pretty sure it's the spawn delay, and the bar is fake Mar 20 21:07:27 * MohammadAG feels he missed some important piece of news Mar 20 21:07:27 open a browser. Mar 20 21:07:32 and that localwiki app uses the default browser... so it ends up taking just as long as it would have taken to load the actual wiki page Mar 20 21:07:32 odd; i definitely see "latency" between the window appearing and the page starting to render Mar 20 21:07:33 Go to another bookmark. Mar 20 21:07:38 probably based on a stupid decision Mar 20 21:07:54 during which point it shows one of those progress bars with no estimated percentage Mar 20 21:07:56 I don't mean bookmark. Mar 20 21:07:59 you know bouncing back and forwards Mar 20 21:08:10 I mean in the addressbar enter anotehr site Mar 20 21:08:15 AT&T bought T-Mobile wtf Mar 20 21:08:38 MohammadAG, tell thm about orange il Mar 20 21:08:42 but i only see that if there is not a browser window already open Mar 20 21:08:45 How many major mobile providers are their inthe US? Mar 20 21:08:52 MohammadAG: t-mob USA only Mar 20 21:09:02 zogg_, sucks Mar 20 21:09:12 from what i've hard, about 1/2 Mar 20 21:09:17 (none of them are considered proper ones) Mar 20 21:09:37 MohammadAG, =) Mar 20 21:09:42 i'm drunk =) Mar 20 21:09:48 fuck yeah Mar 20 21:10:15 internetishard: that browser window is just a frontend, the actual html renderer is in a separate process which is normally loaded (and unloaded I guess) in the background Mar 20 21:10:42 okay, so why does loading a local wiki page take basically the same amount of time as a remote one? Mar 20 21:11:03 for example with evopedia Mar 20 21:11:15 internetishard: those sound like they take some time to render Mar 20 21:11:17 Because the browser needs to load Mar 20 21:11:22 fairly complex pages? Mar 20 21:11:26 internetishard: because the html renderer still needs to be loaded, of course? Mar 20 21:11:30 no, just text, and they can be very short Mar 20 21:11:52 okay, then why does the html renderer take so long? Opera's is almost instantaneous Mar 20 21:11:53 even with the browser already running, rendering could take about as much time as downloading on a nice connection with a complex page Mar 20 21:12:14 are you talking about the condition where the browser isn't open already? Mar 20 21:12:29 yeah Mar 20 21:12:39 I was thinking it didn't matter though - I'll check again Mar 20 21:12:55 yeah, that's the browser loading, quite clearly. Mar 20 21:13:13 you get that bar that just goes back and forth while nothing seemingly happens, right? Mar 20 21:13:30 yeah, that Mar 20 21:14:18 remember Microsoft Windows, where you could see your desktop about five minutes before you could actually interact with the computer? Mar 20 21:14:29 just pretend it's like that and it'll all make sense Mar 20 21:14:38 haha Mar 20 21:14:40 oh thanks Mar 20 21:14:59 maybe I can figure out how to get apps like evopedia to use opera instead of the default browser (What's it called, anyway?) Mar 20 21:15:09 MicroB Mar 20 21:15:29 there's a browser-switchboard app iirc Mar 20 21:15:42 ooo, I'll check that out Mar 20 21:16:34 found it Mar 20 21:25:42 is there a way to type in the all apps category so that it starts narrowing down all the app choices to launch? (poorly described I know) Mar 20 21:26:37 "yes" Mar 20 21:26:43 there are third party products that can do that Mar 20 21:26:56 hypothetically veveo smartsearch being among them Mar 20 21:27:30 i don't know if anyone has an open product for that purpose :( Mar 20 21:28:03 why won't that the special keymap thing open while in opera? Mar 20 21:28:04 although, you wouldn't do it from the launcher w/o rewriting the entire launcher Mar 20 21:28:22 opera probably does special handling of keys Mar 20 21:28:27 microb does too Mar 20 21:28:40 in microb I can press the two keys on the top left Mar 20 21:28:47 that opens up that special key thihng Mar 20 21:28:54 we get some of those things wrong Mar 20 21:28:59 not that one, but some of them :) Mar 20 21:30:11 wow, now that I've set opera as default in browser-switchboard, it won't let me open microb and it just opens opera instead Mar 20 21:30:13 hya guys. does anyone know if there is any other mail cleint (touch freindly) for the n900 other then the 'el crapo' default? Mar 20 21:30:35 there is community SSU version of modest Mar 20 21:31:14 zeltak: m.gmail.com? Mar 20 21:31:28 AT&T is buying T-Mobile or am I not understanding the news Mar 20 21:31:35 yep, tmo USA Mar 20 21:31:35 the former Mar 20 21:31:37 retarded, eh? Mar 20 21:31:40 oh my goodness Mar 20 21:31:54 T-Mobile was like the last decent mobile provider Mar 20 21:31:57 It would be nice if protests would ensue, but likely not Mar 20 21:31:59 now everything is gonna suck Mar 20 21:32:00 why shouldn't at&t buy out the rest of the market? Mar 20 21:32:08 seems like a good idea for at&t Mar 20 21:32:10 Sc0rpius: t-mobile sucks Mar 20 21:32:13 indeed timeless_w7ip Mar 20 21:32:15 at least in the uk Mar 20 21:32:16 in Florida it was ok Mar 20 21:32:25 and since t-mobile's parent had issues growing/managing t-mobile us, why shouldn't it divest? Mar 20 21:32:25 o2 was so much better Mar 20 21:32:28 gr Mar 20 21:32:29 jacekowski: yeah, well in the UK you've other options Mar 20 21:32:30 * timeless_w7ip hates o2 Mar 20 21:32:43 you can't even get prepaid data in the US jacekowski Mar 20 21:32:44 internet on o2 was working perfectly Mar 20 21:32:55 internetishard: yeah, i've learned that hard way Mar 20 21:33:01 exactly but what other options do you have in the US? Verizon with CDMA? no way. AT&T? Terrible. MetroPCS? if you have it in your area, it'd suck anyway. Mar 20 21:33:02 internetishard: i went there, bought at&t prepaid Mar 20 21:33:07 their advertising and packages are evil Mar 20 21:33:11 internetishard: and used up all $100 in couple minutes Mar 20 21:33:12 e.g. the iPhone only deal Mar 20 21:33:23 haha, every european country i was it it was mad easy Mar 20 21:33:35 yeah Mar 20 21:33:52 in belgium it was like 15 or 20 euro for prepaid with internet Mar 20 21:34:05 in uk it's like 10 Mar 20 21:34:08 £10 Mar 20 21:34:22 in poland i paid equivalent of £10-15 Mar 20 21:34:34 * timeless_w7ip nods Mar 20 21:34:34 for prepaid with 2G of internet Mar 20 21:34:42 i've paid similar for both o2 uk and o2 ie Mar 20 21:34:46 and i could still use it for calls Mar 20 21:34:52 but they were evil Mar 20 21:35:03 you had to claim to be an iPhone to get the truly unlimited plan Mar 20 21:35:11 otherwise you got a couple of GBs of data Mar 20 21:35:24 plus an *actual* iPhone would get free wifi from o2's cloud Mar 20 21:35:42 but, if you didn't have an actual iPhone,, you didn't. Mar 20 21:35:54 because they used IMEI(?) to pin your MAC Mar 20 21:36:01 anyone here use browser-switchboard? microb won't work anymore... Mar 20 21:36:14 internetishard: it's known to break it Mar 20 21:36:16 don't use it. Mar 20 21:36:21 or suffer the entire contempt from us Mar 20 21:36:48 heh, I was just recommended it on here Mar 20 21:37:02 * timeless_w7ip shrugs Mar 20 21:37:11 I'm trying to get evopedia to open using opera Mar 20 21:37:12 it breaks microb, you do not get my sympathy for using it Mar 20 21:37:25 It wasn't in the apps details Mar 20 21:37:33 so create a shortcut to a script which launches opera w/ a commandline Mar 20 21:37:52 via evopedia? Mar 20 21:38:24 is evopedia an application? Mar 20 21:38:34 * timeless_w7ip assumed it was a bookmark Mar 20 21:38:41 yep Mar 20 21:38:43 your grammar failed to express your meaning Mar 20 21:38:50 That happens Mar 20 21:38:51 if you use correct grammar, you'll get better results Mar 20 21:39:05 I think alcohol has been damaging my intelligence Mar 20 21:39:14 there's an obvious lesson there... Mar 20 21:39:21 Indeed Mar 20 21:39:54 :D Mar 20 21:44:29 n900... screen too small for gemrb Mar 20 21:50:39 be happy. you are all part of the greatest piece of kit and the best community in the world. Mar 20 21:50:54 how do you make a fookin tilde in opera? Mar 20 21:52:10 ctrl-v works Mar 20 21:52:12 :) Mar 20 21:52:55 heard there was an onscreenkeyboard, but I've no idea how to launch it Mar 20 21:54:03 you have to enable it in settings>text input Mar 20 21:54:07 btw, I saw Tron recently, and I think that kid in the beginning had an n900, but I can't be sure (LOL Haxer phone!!) Mar 20 21:56:57 timeless_w7ip: once enabled, how is it launched? Mar 20 21:58:51 close the keyboard and tap an input widget? Mar 20 21:58:58 (text input widget) Mar 20 22:00:03 alright, I guess I'll use special characters in opera that way Mar 20 22:02:56 does opera use gtk or qt? Mar 20 22:03:09 qt I think Mar 20 22:04:24 well that symbol popup from pushing the two upperleft keys is from a gtk input plugin, so if the browser isn't gtk-based, you won't get that popup Mar 20 22:04:36 okay, thanks for the info Mar 20 22:04:55 I think opera is plain X11. Mar 20 22:05:08 s/X11/Xlib Mar 20 22:08:22 pupnik: why do you think the n900 screen is too small for gemrb? Mar 20 22:09:05 just feels cramped for me Mar 20 22:09:29 game was designed for 12"+ vga screens after all Mar 20 22:09:49 have you tried it? Mar 20 22:10:06 game ran on 640x480 as I recall, though it supported higher Mar 20 22:10:24 well, not really Mar 20 22:13:46 admittedly, even with the stylus, it's a bit hard to aim on OpenDune too Mar 20 22:16:47 I made a largish road trip this weekend... as per usual, the n900 was perfect. I was surprised by the battery life this year and a half old battery is still able to store. Mar 20 22:17:06 do you just turn it to 2g? Mar 20 22:17:14 yeah, I did Mar 20 22:17:16 I do that and bring two extra charged batteries Mar 20 22:17:48 I have 4 batteries! Mar 20 22:18:04 I bet you do, but your like the n900 master Mar 20 22:18:14 MohammadAG: how do you charge them? Mar 20 22:18:40 external charger, and no, I'm not :P Mar 20 22:18:41 * javispedro has only one battery. Mar 20 22:18:59 it lasted through one and a half day, with GPS usage. Mar 20 22:19:00 yeah, can you recommend me this extra charger? I've been looking for a better one Mar 20 22:19:16 I just ebayed a BL-5J charger Mar 20 22:19:17 javispedro, screen brightness helps a lot Mar 20 22:19:20 javispedro: any special mods? Mine definitely wouldn't Mar 20 22:19:23 as does the mobile landscape Mar 20 22:19:36 it's $1 :P Mar 20 22:19:43 or 3, can't remember Mar 20 22:19:49 internetishard, screen on brightest lasts much shorter time than knocking it down a few notches Mar 20 22:19:59 no mods... as lcuk said though I also reduced brigthness Mar 20 22:20:01 internetishard, use the lowest brightness you can happily use Mar 20 22:20:07 Night everyone Mar 20 22:20:11 I always have my screen brightness on the lowest setting Mar 20 22:20:12 nn mo Mar 20 22:20:12 gnite MohammadAG Mar 20 22:20:45 I am also testing my track logging stuff, currently 2 seconds por point.. Mar 20 22:21:00 I plan to implement some kind of track reduction algorithm Mar 20 22:21:38 javispedro, nice Mar 20 22:21:41 which gps app did you use? Mar 20 22:21:41 and I wonder if it really helps to battery life to do "agressive" adapting liblocation periodicity "variations" Mar 20 22:21:51 I tried to get that turn by turn one to work a while back Mar 20 22:22:26 for ex. predict that we won't need points every 2 seconds and instead request points every 30 seconds or the like when on high speed Mar 20 22:22:30 hi, anyone knows if mbarcode source is accessible? Mar 20 22:22:37 s/points/gps fixes Mar 20 22:22:41 I should test that next time... Mar 20 22:23:19 'predict' - how? Mar 20 22:23:21 sobczyk_, absolutely! if you cannot find it on the mbarcode maemo garage page, you can get one of the src packages from: http://maemo.org/packages/view/mbarcode/ Mar 20 22:23:29 SpeedEvil: past speeds, direction changes. Mar 20 22:23:42 SpeedEvil: if they drop below a threshold -- reduce frequency. Mar 20 22:24:14 (obvious risk of missing a sudden change of direction/speed -- however, if there's a noticeable long term improvement in battery life, it might be worthwile) Mar 20 22:24:44 * SpeedEvil sighs at not having proper access to the GPS. Mar 20 22:24:56 (at least as far as I'm aware, with the current stack) Mar 20 22:25:24 javispedro: which gps were you using? Mar 20 22:25:34 SpeedEvil: did you have data on wheter 2-second or 5-second liblocation fixes make a difference in battery usage? Mar 20 22:25:54 javispedro: no Mar 20 22:26:17 internetishard: I did not use navigation -- not even ovi maps, just recorded tracks. Mar 20 22:26:37 oh, how did it help you on the road trip then? Mar 20 22:26:59 ahh, that's how your battery lasted so long Mar 20 22:27:04 I did not bring my usual handheld gps =) Mar 20 22:30:07 internetishard: yeah, screen was not _always_ on ;) Mar 20 22:30:21 how did you find your way? Mar 20 22:30:34 you read raw gps data? haha Mar 20 22:30:42 it's called pre-planning Mar 20 22:30:44 ;P Mar 20 22:30:59 where's the fun in that? Mar 20 22:31:35 * javispedro ponders what internetishard is going to say when I tell him that I wasn't the one driving even... Mar 20 22:32:00 Not sure what that means... someone in your car had an iphone? +_+ Mar 20 22:34:03 baah, forget it :P Mar 20 22:43:48 n900 till it diies on me Mar 20 22:44:38 anybody have a fast pulseaudio replacement? Mar 20 22:46:15 pupnik: fire? Mar 20 22:46:40 :D Mar 20 22:46:45 it serves the same purpose of not playing audio, and is marginally less irritating Mar 20 22:48:37 well we can bypass it - just need to ensure that the app doesn't break the speakers Mar 20 22:51:32 Oh my lord, t-mobile bought by AT&T there werent that many AWS phones so far and now ... i think i need to stockpile on N900. Mar 20 22:51:40 (I am on Wind Mobile in Canada.) Mar 20 22:55:08 chx n900 is an amazing phone, i'm worried if i were 2 break my current i would want the xact same Mar 20 22:55:44 my problems is truly absymal battery life , if i have IM ongoing ti sucks the battery dry in a few hours and the bulk Mar 20 22:55:58 chx: on gprs? Mar 20 22:56:02 3g Mar 20 22:56:11 pretty much anything will have poor battery life doing that Mar 20 22:56:24 however, the bulk might be a savior, 'cos if it's that bad i might need to carry a bag anyways then slipping in an external battery is not that big of a challenge. Mar 20 22:56:25 i mean, unless it's got a massive bulky battery Mar 20 22:56:41 i have two batteries with usb ports for my laptop Mar 20 22:56:43 you can't carry the n900 in a pocket? Mar 20 22:56:51 no Mar 20 22:56:53 i tried Mar 20 22:56:54 i cant Mar 20 22:57:03 i wish nokia would have made a better battery of original size Mar 20 22:57:06 i tried it on my belt, digs in my side / stomach when i sit Mar 20 22:57:18 seems to fit in regular jeans pockets to me Mar 20 22:57:27 men's jeans, i mean Mar 20 22:57:32 i keep it in my pocket as well Mar 20 22:57:49 dont you fear for the screen? Mar 20 22:57:51 probably almost no women's clothes have a sufficiently large pocket Mar 20 22:57:55 i put in a case and now it's too big. Mar 20 22:58:04 i am a man. or so i think. Mar 20 22:58:06 :P Mar 20 22:58:11 oh, i don't use a case Mar 20 22:58:21 i just keep it in a pocket all on it's own Mar 20 22:58:27 and what happens to the screen? Mar 20 22:58:30 very careful that keys and stuff are on the other side Mar 20 22:58:50 it's fine, because the lining of hte pocket is made of a similar material that a case would be... Mar 20 22:59:00 pocket dirt? Mar 20 22:59:12 the battery is not helped by the fact that the usb connector is um Mar 20 22:59:31 i'm careful taking it out though, because of jeans that have those stupid little metal studs pinning the pocket on Mar 20 22:59:48 i'm almost sure those aren't actually structural Mar 20 22:59:52 BCMM: Sew patches over them Mar 20 22:59:56 heh Mar 20 23:00:38 the only thing i ever put in my pocket with my n900 is my wallet Mar 20 23:00:59 mine has a metal zip i wouldn't put anywhere near the phone Mar 20 23:01:39 meh, if i have a wallet, things are going to be bought, and therefore i have a bag Mar 20 23:03:28 actually, the two downsides of the n900 over the venerable 3410 are battery life, and that you could easily fit a folded tenner under the back casing of a 3410 Mar 20 23:05:02 hardware-wise the e71 is awesome Mar 21 00:07:48 oh tmo u.s. sold... Mar 21 00:42:42 http://www.isuppli.com/Semiconductor-Value-Chain/News/Pages/Japanese-Earthquake-to-Impact-Component-Supply-and-Pricing.aspx Mar 21 00:47:42 anybody able to connect to AIM on maemo5 recently? I've been getting a "network error" for the last few months Mar 21 00:48:38 is AIM still around Mar 21 00:48:44 sure :) Mar 21 01:26:13 n900 works with any 3.5mm headset right? Mar 21 01:26:22 Yes. Mar 21 01:26:28 Headphones Mar 21 01:26:41 Headsets vary Mar 21 01:26:43 for mic too Mar 21 01:30:40 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/ear-hook-style-headphones-w-microphone-volume-control-black-3-5mm-jack-200cm-cable-54783 this looks decent, wrong connectors though Mar 21 01:31:51 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/Original-Nokia-E75-5530-5630-WH-205-Handsfree-Headphone-/200563643457?pt=UK_Mobiles_Accessories_RL&hash=item2eb2865441 Mar 21 01:31:53 forex Mar 21 01:32:06 mine broke because I cut them up Mar 21 01:32:15 to put a wrap around headphone on them Mar 21 01:32:25 which didn't really work out - now I'm looking for one that comes like that Mar 21 01:33:05 SpeedEvil: that isn't a n900 only connector is it? Mar 21 01:34:26 yes Mar 21 01:34:34 err Mar 21 01:34:40 It works with the n900 Mar 21 01:34:50 the wh-20r5 that is Mar 21 01:35:45 SpeedEvil: got disconnected, so I missed whatever you might have said; sorry Mar 21 01:36:29 They are WH-205's - that are the nokia phones supplied with several nokias Mar 21 01:36:55 yeah, I used to have them before I cut them up Mar 21 01:37:04 to put comfortable speaker(s) on them Mar 21 01:37:15 those ones that clip around the back of your ear and don't fall off Mar 21 01:37:57 The earbuds don't fall out for me. Mar 21 01:37:57 http://members.omtp.org/Lists/ReqPublications/Attachments/36/OMTP_Local_Connectivity_Wired_Analogue_Audio_v1_0.pdf Mar 21 01:38:45 it's as standard as it can get Mar 21 01:40:19 ah Mar 21 01:44:21 * ShadowJK usually has thw wire going behind ear with wh-205 type earbuds Mar 21 01:46:01 http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/SONY-ERICSSON-LIVEVIEW-BLUETOOTH-OLED-MICRO-DISPLAY-/130463613682?pt=UK_Mobile_Home_Phones_Bluetooth_Acc_ET&hash=item1e603cc2f2 Mar 21 01:46:03 Interesting. Mar 21 01:46:07 (though silly price) **** ENDING LOGGING AT Mon Mar 21 02:59:56 2011