**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon Mar 21 02:59:57 2011
Mar 21 03:44:50 <wmarone> pupnik: you there?
Mar 21 03:45:23 <wmarone> in any case
Mar 21 03:45:31 <wmarone> pupnik: would you have any insight into tihs topic: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=16502
Mar 21 03:45:36 <wmarone> and where the sources for it may be?
Mar 21 04:43:26 <luke-jr> anyone else notice T-Mobile has ALREADY dropped their no-contract plans?
Mar 21 04:48:57 <budfive> heh? even more plus has been available in-store only for a few months now
Mar 21 05:07:17 <luke-jr> http://www.engadget.com/2011/03/20/sprint-critiques-proposed-atandt-t-mobile-deal-says-buyout-woul/
Mar 21 05:20:46 <DocScrutinizer> umm, that's not like t-mo to change their product palette less than a 3 months after some company capital shift
Mar 21 05:23:29 <ds3> it would blow if they divest the N900 enabled 3G network
Mar 21 05:23:36 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: well, I guess it's because AT&T has already disclosed they WON'T be continuing T-Mo rates once contracts expire
Mar 21 05:23:43 <luke-jr> so contractless is kinda pointless now
Mar 21 05:23:53 <luke-jr> ds3: it blows period
Mar 21 05:24:44 <DocScrutinizer> even US has some anti-trust agency
Mar 21 05:25:11 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: Sprint has already appealed to them to forbid it
Mar 21 05:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt at&t can simply shut down a service of t-mo and bewilder/let down on all the users depending on it
Mar 21 05:25:58 <luke-jr> T-Mo forums are up in flames
Mar 21 05:26:05 <luke-jr> everyone is terminating it sounds like
Mar 21 05:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> OTOH US mobile market is so fubar, prolly virtually everything can happen, except one thing: they get it done right one day
Mar 21 05:31:06 <DocScrutinizer> whole US capitalism (sorry I'm missing the correct term) has one big problem: it's all but common sense and intuitive what a company can do to their customers. Seems there's basically no rules at all, except the ones that make McD write "attention! hot content" on their coffee mugs
Mar 21 05:34:34 <DocScrutinizer> so if anybody decides to make a business out of selling atomic waste as pool cleanser detergent, it probably also takes some case at court to make them write "Attention! may contain ionizing material!" on the can
Mar 21 05:36:46 <DocScrutinizer> then they claim that's a business secret that makes their products unique, and that's been it with the writing. "Sorry customer, the company can't be urged to disclose their business secrets"
Mar 21 05:57:50 * DocScrutinizer should patent this concept - might conveniently solve the problem of nuclear waste disposal
Mar 21 07:23:17 <mece> \o
Mar 21 07:24:21 <alterego> Aloha
Mar 21 07:34:50 <MohammadAG> morning
Mar 21 07:40:09 <gzt_> Hi
Mar 21 07:40:47 <gzt> Flashed emmc+os to my n900 and got now a litle problem, fone does not regonize sim-card at all, any ideas??
Mar 21 08:04:09 <gzt> nevermind got it working :>
Mar 21 09:00:35 <Termana> good morning
Mar 21 09:04:42 <timeless_office> anyone here familiar w/ gst?
Mar 21 09:05:22 <crashanddie> timeless_office, quite a few I'd reckon, how about you just ask your question?
Mar 21 09:07:01 <timeless_office> so, i found a function called 'goom_close'
Mar 21 09:07:10 <timeless_office> and i have two versions which claim to be 0.10.27
Mar 21 09:07:25 <timeless_office> but their goom_close impls do not look particularly similar, and i'm wondering what's going on
Mar 21 09:08:17 <timeless_office> http://mxr.maemo.org/fremantle/source/gst-plugins-good0.10/gst/goom/goom_core.c?mark=804#781
Mar 21 09:09:07 <timeless_office> http://mxr.meego.com/repo.meego.com/source/gst-plugins-good/gst/goom2k1/goom_core.c#400
Mar 21 09:21:59 <RST38h> Moo all
Mar 21 09:22:38 <alterego> RST38h: lcuk cunningly pointed out yesterday that tablet ux for meego is all qml
Mar 21 09:23:00 <RST38h> alterego: Yea, I know. And it shouldhave components too. There is only one catch.
Mar 21 09:23:06 <timeless_office> crashanddie; can i get you to read some Xorg code? :)
Mar 21 09:23:07 <RST38h> alterego: We have no sources for it :)
Mar 21 09:23:16 <MohammadAG> who can change maemo's api docs?
Mar 21 09:23:19 <crashanddie> timeless_office, frankly? No.
Mar 21 09:23:36 <RST38h> Mohammad: You mean the web reference? XFade for example
Mar 21 09:23:44 <MohammadAG> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwRenderer.html#MAFW-PROPERTY-RENDERER-XID:CAPS that needs to be changed to G_TYPE_UINT, instead of G_TYPE_ULONG as villager pointed out
Mar 21 09:24:24 <RST38h> Mohammad: They are the same data type
Mar 21 09:24:39 <RST38h> Mohammad: And yes, it is historic :)
Mar 21 09:24:41 <MohammadAG> ULONG failed, UINT didn't
Mar 21 09:24:46 <crashanddie> basically, I just found the following in some header file: #define TWO 2 #define THREE 3 #define four 44 #define FIVE 5 #define sixty 70
Mar 21 09:24:52 <MohammadAG> so clearly, it has to be a uint
Mar 21 09:25:04 <RST38h> Yea, the #define may be missing
Mar 21 09:25:18 <MohammadAG> no, it isn't
Mar 21 09:25:28 <MohammadAG> oh, that wasn't @ me
Mar 21 09:25:56 <RST38h> Checking
Mar 21 09:26:14 <RST38h> Mohammad: You are right: they may be the same, but not to Gnome: http://www.google.com/codesearch/p?hl=en#nJHaZQ1IJ84/trunk/third_party/gtk/include/glib-2.0/gobject/gtype.h&q=G_TYPE_ULONG&sa=N&cd=2&ct=rc
Mar 21 09:26:18 <merlin1991> morning
Mar 21 09:26:35 <RST38h> Basically, they have got different IDs in the Gnome variant object
Mar 21 09:27:01 <MohammadAG> so, who can change the api docs?
Mar 21 09:27:15 <RST38h> XFade.
Mar 21 09:27:26 * MohammadAG pings X-Fade 
Mar 21 09:27:33 <RST38h> Do notice that these html docs are probably generated from some master
Mar 21 09:27:47 <MohammadAG> -doc packages I guess
Mar 21 09:28:05 <RST38h> How interesting: Gnome does have separate IDs for INT/UINT and LONG/ULONG but it has *no* ID for shorts
Mar 21 09:28:18 * RST38h wonders why
Mar 21 09:30:11 <robbiethe1st> Cause no one uses shorts perhaps?
Mar 21 09:35:55 <RST38h> robbie: yea, right...
Mar 21 09:36:17 <RST38h> robbie: http://library.gnome.org/devel/glib/unstable/glib-Basic-Types.html
Mar 21 09:36:33 <robbiethe1st> Then, why?
Mar 21 09:36:56 * RST38h sighs: some people can really be replaced with small PERL scripts
Mar 21 09:52:11 <crashanddie> I had some guy from production call me, telling me the performance was piss poor on the VoIP server
Mar 21 09:52:24 <crashanddie> so I go have a look, and find about 300GB worth of logs and traces for the past 24h
Mar 21 09:52:51 <crashanddie> apparently they found out how to activate our debug switch
Mar 21 09:54:39 <loft306> lmao
Mar 21 09:55:46 <ruskie> hehe
Mar 21 09:56:14 <crashanddie> I mean, these guys run production phone systems, and they sent me a bug report, saying that our conference system didn't work when they called 012314567891155, however it did work when they called 0123456789 <pause 3 seconds> 1155
Mar 21 09:56:33 <ruskie> this is why debug functions need to be documented and HUGE arse warnings appended that toggling this can have hazardous effects
Mar 21 09:57:02 <crashanddie> ruskie, actually, no. We gave them a manual saying exactly how to run it. No more, no less.
Mar 21 09:57:18 <crashanddie> No need for funky features, they've got everything they need...
Mar 21 09:57:44 <ruskie> should be documented</angry sysadmin>
Mar 21 09:58:32 <crashanddie> It's in the man page.
Mar 21 09:59:08 <crashanddie> where it says that the --debug=full flag is a DEBUG FLAG (who would've guessed), and should only be used whilst DEBUGGING, never in PRODUCTION.
Mar 21 09:59:15 <ruskie> ahh
Mar 21 09:59:33 <ruskie> from the posts it sounded like it wasn't documented...
Mar 21 09:59:55 <crashanddie> hmm, when I said "our", I just meant no one else ever uses it
Mar 21 10:00:33 <ruskie> ahh
Mar 21 10:11:56 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: I'm a shellscript ;-P
Mar 21 10:12:46 <DocScrutinizer> you cant replace me by a friggin perl script
Mar 21 10:14:07 <crashanddie> s/shell/perl/
Mar 21 10:17:59 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: hat's when you start considering to implement eastereggs like a call to all trunks each 10 minutes, playing a prerecorded warning "the system is in debug mode"
Mar 21 10:21:28 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie: ...or tell them they now have to *analyze* those 300GB, and you'll power up the system when they come with proper results of this analysis. But until then... ;-P (BOFH)
Mar 21 10:22:39 <DocScrutinizer> or simply: please PRINT it now! then show me the printout
Mar 21 10:27:08 <DocScrutinizer> whe they come with those 15 tons of paper, you tell them "did you see that one line at 04:51:23.044123, saying 'can't open foo.bar - file not found'? Here, look..." then pick out the right paper from the right stack on 2nd or third try, and highlight the line with a marker :-P
Mar 21 10:42:59 <Jaffa> Morning, all
Mar 21 10:43:40 <SpeedEvil> Morning!
Mar 21 10:44:18 <DocScrutinizer> morbing
Mar 21 10:46:09 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders idly who messed up his breathing light and other indicator enables
Mar 21 10:49:19 <villager> RST38h: GValues are used for parameter passing, not for storage or calculation, so it does not need to cover the full range of types... and in the C language, short parameters are usually automatically passed as integers anyway, but ints and longs can have different sizes so they must have different types
Mar 21 10:50:11 <Jaffa> X-Fade: ping
Mar 21 10:50:23 <X-Fade> Jaffa: Pong
Mar 21 10:50:46 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Have you updated council@ yet? I need to send some handover material and want to know to whom that'll go ;-)
Mar 21 10:50:59 <villager> RST38h: for different purposes (marshalling), GVariants cover a broader range of integer types
Mar 21 10:51:04 <DocScrutinizer51> morphing Jaffa, X-Fade
Mar 21 10:51:17 <X-Fade> Jaffa: No, not yet. Got distracted again :)
Mar 21 10:52:32 <Jaffa> X-Fade: OK, ta. Will it be done soon (in which case I'll hold off); or should I plough ahead?
Mar 21 10:52:42 <X-Fade> Jaffa: editing aliases now.
Mar 21 10:54:45 <DocScrutinizer51> X-Fade: MohammadAG had an exotic request: fixing a flaw in maemo docs :D
Mar 21 10:55:26 <MohammadAG> villager, pointed it out, not me :)
Mar 21 10:55:34 <MohammadAG> <MohammadAG> http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/mafw/MafwRenderer.html#MAFW-PROPERTY-RENDERER-XID:CAPS that needs to be changed to G_TYPE_UINT, instead of G_TYPE_ULONG as villager pointed out
Mar 21 10:57:44 <RST38h> villager: no need to have bytes then, they are also passed as ints
Mar 21 10:59:41 <merlin1991> X-Fade: whatabout the cloak?
Mar 21 11:00:09 <X-Fade> merlin1991: Will do that together with the council changes.
Mar 21 11:01:10 <X-Fade> MohammadAG: Marcell will edit the origin for the docs, then it should show up on maemo.org at the end of today. Or tomorrow.
Mar 21 11:02:14 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, thanks
Mar 21 11:05:56 <khorben_> http://lists.hackable1.org/pipermail/hackable1-user/2011-March/000797.html FWIW
Mar 21 11:15:56 <OkropNick> I finished N900 discharge script alert. If someone want it, it's here: http://pastebin.com/RmAhD93t - can be launched for example from fcron
Mar 21 11:19:06 <Jaffa> OkropNick: What does it do?
Mar 21 11:20:18 <lcuk> jaffa, at a guess: while(1){ if(battery_low){ alert("Battery low"); } } :P
Mar 21 11:20:34 <OkropNick> Jaffa: it's testing battery charge lrevel, and when it is below given level, default 10% it;'s displaying remind to charge phone, turn on vibration for 1 second and speaking "charge me" :)
Mar 21 11:21:42 <lcuk> OkropNick, in principle how is this different to what happens now?
Mar 21 11:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> khorben_: now that's nice news :-D
Mar 21 11:22:44 <OkropNick> lcuk: now - without script - there is only quiet sound remind below 5%
Mar 21 11:23:26 <OkropNick> It's just for me, but I pasted it, because someone in future maybe need it
Mar 21 11:25:55 <lcuk> :)
Mar 21 11:28:28 <lcuk> OkropNick, I am wondering whether simliar would be usable on meego DeveloperEdition, let me ask
Mar 21 11:28:59 <OkropNick> lcuk: dont't ask to ask, just ask :)
Mar 21 11:31:32 <lcuk> OkropNick, :D
Mar 21 11:31:35 <lcuk> good advice
Mar 21 11:31:54 <lcuk> I have posted link to your release notes and download for your git repository :P
Mar 21 11:32:01 <lcuk> on the #meego-arm channel
Mar 21 11:32:18 <OkropNick> nice
Mar 21 11:36:09 <DocScrutinizer> lcuk: any idea where on wiki we could integrate khorben_'s nice info about defora/hackable:1 ?
Mar 21 11:37:06 <DocScrutinizer> I thought there'd be a page about alternative distros or somesuch, listing meego, shr, mer, whatnot. Can't find such page
Mar 21 11:37:06 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, not looked to know and just about to go for lunch
Mar 21 11:38:48 <khorben_> DocScrutinizer: is there a page for alternative repositories?
Mar 21 11:39:12 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, tha might be the right page, yes
Mar 21 11:39:19 <khorben_> at least for the time being
Mar 21 11:40:58 <DocScrutinizer> HAH, http://wiki.maemo.org/Alternative_operating_systems
Mar 21 11:42:40 <khorben_> sounds about right :)
Mar 21 11:43:05 <khorben_> although at the moment hackable:1 does have everything it takes to actually boot on Maemo, it's based on Debian, so it can
Mar 21 11:43:10 <khorben_> +not
Mar 21 11:43:18 <khorben_> although at the moment hackable:1 does not have everything it takes to actually boot on Maemo, it's based on Debian, so it can
Mar 21 11:43:34 <DocScrutinizer> terribly out of date it seems
Mar 21 11:43:44 <DocScrutinizer> (that wikipage)
Mar 21 11:44:36 <khorben_> there's http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories too
Mar 21 11:47:09 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Repository#List_of_Maemo_repositories
Mar 21 11:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> ooh
Mar 21 11:47:32 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Mar 21 11:58:04 <DocScrutinizer> short stupid question: how to markup strike-thru text in mediawiki?
Mar 21 12:01:16 <mece> \o
Mar 21 12:01:51 <DocScrutinizer> foundit <s>
Mar 21 12:04:56 <lardman> 'allo 'allo
Mar 21 12:45:25 <DocScrutinizer> 'allo la'dman
Mar 21 12:45:41 <pupnik> http://tvrefill.com/wp-content/uploads/2010/07/north-korea-is-best-korea.jpg
Mar 21 12:45:56 <DocScrutinizer> anybody used http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5#Debugging ?
Mar 21 12:46:24 <DocScrutinizer> esp the sp-*
Mar 21 12:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> WTF http://wiki.maemo.org/Category:Devtools anybody else got a mess on that page?
Mar 21 12:50:20 <ruskie> mess?
Mar 21 12:50:29 <ruskie> I see a ton of Documentation/ links
Mar 21 12:52:43 <DocScrutinizer> in konqueror the links aren't linewrapped so table extends underneath the right hand menu
Mar 21 12:52:51 <DocScrutinizer> in FF it's ok
Mar 21 12:52:55 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
Mar 21 12:53:08 <MohammadAG> http://i56.tinypic.com/2yzizvt.jpg sexy, ain't it?
Mar 21 12:54:14 <pupnik> looks pro MohammadAG
Mar 21 12:56:07 <E0x> hmm the n900 without the battery cover fill more right in the hands
Mar 21 12:56:58 <DocScrutinizer> umm
Mar 21 13:09:02 <mece> where can I find xulrunner-dev? for n900?
Mar 21 13:09:29 <mece> MohammadAG, what pupnik said :)
Mar 21 13:11:25 <MohammadAG> pupnik, mece thanks :D
Mar 21 13:14:19 <MohammadAG> meh, deleted it by accident
Mar 21 13:25:26 <Venemo_N900> moring
Mar 21 13:30:28 <mece> hm has something changed regarding the dsk repositories?
Mar 21 13:31:05 <mece> I'm getting connection failed on everything!
Mar 21 13:31:06 <mece> grr
Mar 21 13:31:19 <mece>   Unable to connect to repository.maemo.org http: [IP: 217.212.252.139 80]
Mar 21 13:31:19 <mece> Err http://repository.maemo.org fremantle/free Packages
Mar 21 13:36:45 <MohammadAG> lol the iPhone's headphones don't work on the N900
Mar 21 13:37:12 <frals> iphone is using some other connector so not surprising really?
Mar 21 13:37:52 <jpinx> anyone know why I can connect to a server with ssh but not to a webpage in the browser on my n900 ?
Mar 21 13:37:58 <ruskie> or you have something muted/set to to low a silence
Mar 21 13:39:02 <MohammadAG> frals, 3.5mm, supposdely
Mar 21 13:39:07 <MohammadAG> supposedly*
Mar 21 13:39:14 <ruskie> are they 4 pin?
Mar 21 13:39:30 <frals> 3.5mm maybe but not same order or wth its called
Mar 21 13:42:32 <mece> dammit why does nothing work in my sdk?????
Mar 21 13:42:34 * mece rips hair out
Mar 21 13:48:06 <jpinx> browser hiccup ?
Mar 21 13:49:56 <mece> jpinx, ?
Mar 21 13:50:08 <jpinx> anyone know why I can connect to a server with ssh but not to a webpage in the browser on my n900 ?
Mar 21 13:50:29 <jpinx> mece: /\
Mar 21 13:56:21 <villager> RST38h: for language bindings (e.g. python), G_TYPE_CHAR would probably be a different language type than an int, while a short would not be... for GValue, they added the types they needed for portability and language bindings I think, and no more
Mar 21 14:03:13 <rm_work> jpinx: DNS? are you using an IP for your SSH connection?
Mar 21 14:03:28 <rm_work> jpinx: or, firewalled? 22 gets out but 80 is blocked?
Mar 21 14:05:04 <crashanddie> jpinx, may sound obvious, but is the website down?
Mar 21 14:06:04 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, actually, they're not
Mar 21 14:06:12 <korhojoa> jpinx, also one alternative: proxy required?
Mar 21 14:06:34 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, basically, as soon as there's some funky stuff going on such as remote control via headphones, microphone or whatever, the jack 2.5mm isn't "standard" anymore
Mar 21 14:06:55 <MohammadAG> true, but it should be backwards compatible
Mar 21 14:07:00 <crashanddie> Which means you hear distorted sound... Usually, pulling them out half a mm is enough to get correct sound (even though on sometimes, you'll only get one ear working)
Mar 21 14:07:19 <MohammadAG> the N900's headphones work fine on my laptop
Mar 21 14:07:28 <crashanddie> they don't work on my macbook
Mar 21 14:07:38 <crashanddie> my macbook detects it as a microphone
Mar 21 14:08:51 <MohammadAG> lol
Mar 21 14:11:23 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, we talk on here because we don't want to be overheard?
Mar 21 14:11:29 * MohammadAG looks at channel logs
Mar 21 14:11:57 * jpinx is working a eeepc beside the n900 with no wifi issues
Mar 21 14:12:35 <jpinx> rm_work: yes - ssh is to an IP
Mar 21 14:13:58 <rm_work> jpinx: then, check your DNS
Mar 21 14:17:08 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, indeed, no logging, no tracing, all that
Mar 21 14:17:14 <crashanddie> MohammadAG, and we sp34k l33t.
Mar 21 14:22:31 <DocScrutinizer51> crashanddie: don't PCs usually have dedicated receptacles for mic and headphones (i.e. 2)?
Mar 21 14:22:46 <korhojoa> DocScrutinizer51, not all of them
Mar 21 14:22:49 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer51, not the macbook 13"
Mar 21 14:22:55 <korhojoa> i've seen quite a few now with combined
Mar 21 14:23:03 <korhojoa> and then a spdif port
Mar 21 14:23:14 <korhojoa> usually coax, almost never optical
Mar 21 14:23:30 <korhojoa> sometimes it's been the same port.
Mar 21 14:23:37 <korhojoa> mini toslink just fit right in
Mar 21 14:23:38 <crashanddie> DocScrutinizer, the optical + mic in + speaker out are combined in the same IIRC
Mar 21 14:24:04 <DocScrutinizer51> well, if whatever PC is detecting N900 headset as a mic then it's a rather fubar design of the PC
Mar 21 14:25:02 <korhojoa> DocScrutinizer51, but tbh, this headset isn't really standard
Mar 21 14:25:16 <korhojoa> or well, if it is, nobody uses this standard
Mar 21 14:25:32 <DocScrutinizer51> korhojoa: I know about the combined toslink-analogAV. Planned one for GTA04 phone
Mar 21 14:26:30 <DocScrutinizer51> korhojoa: sorry to disagree, check backscroll or log for 'it's as standard as it can get'
Mar 21 14:30:16 <jpinx> rm_work: I can get google web page by it's IP number so how doI fix the dns?
Mar 21 14:30:57 <rm_work> are you on WIFI or using 3G?
Mar 21 14:31:02 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, y34h, 1 n0t1c3d
Mar 21 14:32:06 <jpinx> rm_work: wifi
Mar 21 14:32:33 <rm_work> jpinx: what is your DNS server set to on the n900?
Mar 21 14:32:53 <jpinx> where do I lookfor that?
Mar 21 14:33:02 <rm_work> type "nslookup google.com"
Mar 21 14:33:06 <rm_work> it will tell you Server:
Mar 21 14:33:18 <SpeedEvil> The DNS server onthen900 is set to localhost.
Mar 21 14:33:23 <SpeedEvil> It runsdnsmasw
Mar 21 14:33:27 <SpeedEvil> dnsmasq
Mar 21 14:33:27 <rm_work> ah what, blah k
Mar 21 14:33:33 <rm_work> thanks SpeedEvil
Mar 21 14:33:56 <jpinx> so why hasx mine suddenly decided to not work?
Mar 21 14:35:22 <jpinx> nslookup says 10.0.1.1
Mar 21 14:35:24 <rm_work> jpinx: not sure :/
Mar 21 14:35:36 <rm_work> jpinx: is your router properly configures?
Mar 21 14:35:39 <rm_work> *configured
Mar 21 14:36:15 <jpinx> rm_work: it is a public wifi that Just Works with me eeepc here
Mar 21 14:36:25 <rm_work> hrm
Mar 21 14:44:51 <Arkenoi> Does io scheduler that deals properly with flash storage exist at all? If yes, why we do not use it?
Mar 21 14:46:48 <korhojoa> jpinx, set it to 208.67.222.222, that's opendns
Mar 21 14:47:32 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: noop
Mar 21 14:47:35 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: or deadline
Mar 21 14:47:40 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: but it's not going to help
Mar 21 14:47:45 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: flash storage is slow and that's all
Mar 21 14:48:49 <Arkenoi> jacekowski, it is ok that it is slow. it is not ok that any "background" task like sync or tracker-indexer causes everything to be unresponsive at inacceptable level
Mar 21 14:49:31 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: you would have to give it lower io priority
Mar 21 14:49:46 <jacekowski> deadline elevator could do it
Mar 21 14:51:41 <jacekowski> Arkenoi: if you have time
Mar 21 14:52:07 <jacekowski> try playing with /sys/block/mmcblk0/queue/iosched/scheduler
Mar 21 14:52:10 <Arkenoi> jacekowski, yes, i'd give it lower io priority, but we do not even have ionice in the system, i was told it is because it won't really work anyways :-(
Mar 21 14:52:12 <jacekowski> and mmcblk1
Mar 21 14:52:50 <jacekowski> try changing it to noop
Mar 21 14:56:43 <deno> hi there
Mar 21 15:06:08 <DocScrutinizer51> nope, as SpeedEvil said the file points to 127.0.0.1 *always*
Mar 21 15:06:32 <DocScrutinizer51> you don't want to set it to any other IP
Mar 21 15:06:37 <DocScrutinizer51> for DNS
Mar 21 15:10:10 <jacekowski>  http://nenolod.net/~nenolod/sholes-keyleak-explained.html
Mar 21 15:10:12 <jacekowski> look
Mar 21 15:10:17 <jacekowski> milestone keys leak
Mar 21 15:22:25 <chem|st> ~cssu
Mar 21 15:22:26 <infobot> cssu is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Mar 21 15:23:54 <lardman> jacekowski: interesting
Mar 21 15:24:07 <lardman> DocScrutinizer51: a belated morning back to you :)
Mar 21 15:31:17 <pupnik_> NDAs prevent the future from sending signals back to the present :)
Mar 21 15:42:57 <macmaN> yo allz
Mar 21 15:43:13 <macmaN> is anyone using a 3G USB modem with their N900?
Mar 21 15:49:32 <MohammadAG> an iPhone 5 proto, meh
Mar 21 15:51:18 <xkr47> pupnik_, :)
Mar 21 15:56:40 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG: really?
Mar 21 15:57:05 <DocScrutinizer51> lardman: moinmoin
Mar 21 15:57:16 <lardman> hi
Mar 21 15:57:39 * lardman didn't do quite as much hacking on his week off as he'd thought
Mar 21 15:57:52 <lardman> in fact staying well away from computers was quite pleasant :)
Mar 21 15:57:53 <DocScrutinizer51> macmaN: now that sounds a bit silly
Mar 21 15:58:00 <Venemo_N900> lardman :)
Mar 21 15:58:54 <macmaN> DocScrutinizer51: hear me out yo. it makes it possible to share data plan between devices.
Mar 21 15:59:23 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer51: don't think so. sometimes the policy of mobile operators lacks any common sense
Mar 21 15:59:51 <DocScrutinizer51> k k
Mar 21 15:59:54 <MohammadAG> Venemo_N900, yeah
Mar 21 16:00:20 <DocScrutinizer51> nevertheless it sounds silly, however useful it might be
Mar 21 16:00:25 <macmaN> Venemo_N900: yeah you're on the right track
Mar 21 16:00:36 <Venemo_N900> DocScrutinizer51: in my country, data plans sold with 3G USB devices are cheaper than those with mobiles
Mar 21 16:00:44 <DocScrutinizer51> macmaN: you'd need external power source for sure
Mar 21 16:00:57 <macmaN> DocScrutinizer51: thats what im worred about :/
Mar 21 16:01:21 <macmaN> n900 can something like 100mA?
Mar 21 16:01:23 <DocScrutinizer51> no need to worry. it's fact
Mar 21 16:01:31 <DocScrutinizer51> 200
Mar 21 16:02:03 <MohammadAG> I could power my 3G modem, but it never worked, or never got a signal
Mar 21 16:02:10 <MohammadAG> it only flashed a bit
Mar 21 16:02:35 <macmaN> that's definitely a bleh :/
Mar 21 16:02:45 <DocScrutinizer51> sure, it doesn't need much until starts TX
Mar 21 16:03:33 <DocScrutinizer51> mine even came with Y-cable by default
Mar 21 16:03:53 <DocScrutinizer51> so I guess they thought even 500 might be low
Mar 21 16:04:21 <macmaN> oh wow
Mar 21 16:04:33 <macmaN> so a laptop hdd needs less than the modem?
Mar 21 16:05:28 <DocScrutinizer51> which evidently might be true. as you got up to 2W OTA TX on such device. And efficiency of tx amp is more like 0.5
Mar 21 16:06:01 <DocScrutinizer51> so prepare for 4W/5V
Mar 21 16:06:33 <DocScrutinizer51> which in my book is >>500mA
Mar 21 16:07:04 <macmaN> :)
Mar 21 16:07:51 <pupnik_> maybe a clever capacitor + resistor could buffer the current for sending?
Mar 21 16:08:08 * pupnik_ waits to get bashed for saying something dumb
Mar 21 16:08:23 <DocScrutinizer51> afaik there *are* commands to reduce TX power, but do you want to do that?
Mar 21 16:09:02 <DocScrutinizer51> pupnik_: can and actually to some degree is done
Mar 21 16:09:18 <macmaN> so i wonder what could be the solution here
Mar 21 16:09:25 <DocScrutinizer51> but doesn't really help
Mar 21 16:09:37 <macmaN> goal is to have something that i could hotplug between my real router and n900 when i need to
Mar 21 16:09:54 <DocScrutinizer51> macmaN: dualsim/twinsim/clonesim
Mar 21 16:10:51 <DocScrutinizer51> I know the pain
Mar 21 16:12:43 <macmaN> DocScrutinizer51: you mean forced to move away from n900?
Mar 21 16:13:04 <macmaN> any of the +sim approaches dont apply to n900 or am i missing something
Mar 21 16:13:28 * DocScrutinizer51 wonders what will happen to first twin's data connection on signin of the 2nd twin kicking the GSM routing of calls to first device
Mar 21 16:14:21 <DocScrutinizer51> macmaN: twinsim are two 'identical' sim with one account for both
Mar 21 16:15:02 <DocScrutinizer51> hard to find but sometimes you can get those
Mar 21 16:17:45 <macmaN> yeah but there are restrictions with that
Mar 21 16:17:53 <DocScrutinizer51> macmaN: very old sims you can clone to build your own twinsim
Mar 21 16:18:42 <DocScrutinizer51> what restrictions? are they worse than what you get with one sim?
Mar 21 16:25:52 <anapospastos> hi guys, did anyone manage to solve this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=542102
Mar 21 16:30:43 <haj> gad vide om det vil blive kaldt krig eller terror hvis Gadaffi var i stand til at nakke et militært hovedkvarter i USA?
Mar 21 16:30:47 <haj> hov,
Mar 21 16:30:52 <haj> wrong chan.. again.
Mar 21 16:43:00 <MohammadAG> why the stock media player sucks:
Mar 21 16:43:04 <MohammadAG> method call sender=:1.58 -> dest=org.freedesktop.Tracker serial=287 path=/org/freedesktop/Tracker/Metadata; interface=org.freedesktop.Tracker.Metadata; member=GetMultiple
Mar 21 16:43:42 <MohammadAG> it wastes a good API (MAFW) and uses tracker instead
Mar 21 16:43:53 <anapospastos> it's veeery annoying, the default audio icon is an album art picture
Mar 21 16:44:04 <MohammadAG> actually, it doesn't waste it
Mar 21 16:44:08 <MohammadAG> it uses both
Mar 21 16:45:05 <anapospastos> can I fix it?
Mar 21 16:47:29 <MohammadAG> that would be tracker
Mar 21 16:47:34 <MohammadAG> which I have no idea about
Mar 21 16:47:42 <MohammadAG> recursive : 	TRUE, if browsing should be recursive. <-- wow, explains a lot
Mar 21 16:49:38 <anapospastos> somewhere will exists a value/"link" or somewhat that stores the default audio icon picture
Mar 21 16:59:08 <celesteh> lcuk: thank you for your recommendation yesterday. :)
Mar 21 17:01:10 <anapospastos> or if I ll find and delete this album thumbnail to get forced to use the default
Mar 21 17:04:36 <lardman> anapospastos: tried to reboot?
Mar 21 17:04:51 <lardman> Is there an icon cache on the device, sounds like it's become corrupted
Mar 21 17:05:07 <lardman> or do you really think something has altered the (presumably) gconf key for the icon?
Mar 21 17:06:29 <anapospastos> This problem appeared months ago, something is corrupted and it "thinks" that the default audio icon is the wrong one
Mar 21 17:07:23 <lardman> I'd be tempted to re-generate the icon cache and see if that fixes it
Mar 21 17:08:15 <anapospastos> maybe something like this is what I need, what command I ve got to run?
Mar 21 17:08:19 <lardman> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=40558
Mar 21 17:08:30 <lardman> hmm, might be that we no-longer have an icon cache...
Mar 21 17:10:19 <lardman> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=6931 might be worth a look to see if this is the same thing
Mar 21 17:10:20 <povbot> Bug 6931: After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one
Mar 21 17:11:09 <lardman> probably not though as yours presumably persists after a reboot?
Mar 21 17:12:15 <anapospastos> it persists after reboot or changing of theme
Mar 21 17:12:33 <anapospastos> I believe it's not bug 6931
Mar 21 17:12:34 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/6931 After installation of software last icon in list has default icon instead of own one
Mar 21 17:14:16 <anapospastos> y but it is concerning apps, maybe for files is something different
Mar 21 17:16:11 <lardman> sure
Mar 21 17:16:24 <lardman> well perhaps it is gconf then, I don't know how the filemanager handles it's icon choice
Mar 21 17:16:32 <lardman> s/it's/its
Mar 21 17:16:38 <tekonivelo> just got my N900 out of the closet
Mar 21 17:16:46 * tekonivelo is now updating firmware
Mar 21 17:17:12 <tekonivelo> i guess the 20.blahblah is the newest version, over the SSU
Mar 21 17:18:47 <anapospastos> https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11635
Mar 21 17:18:48 <povbot> Bug 11635: Wrong icon for non id tagged audio files
Mar 21 17:19:38 <lardman> interesting
Mar 21 17:21:55 <lardman> http://konttoristhoughts.blogspot.com/2009/04/album-art-in-fremantle.html
Mar 21 17:22:16 <lardman> I wonder where the hildon-thumbnailer caches the album art thumbnails
Mar 21 17:22:26 <lardman> the code is in the git repo
Mar 21 17:22:34 <lardman> http://maemo.gitorious.org/maemo-af/hildon-thumbnail
Mar 21 17:24:19 <Venemo_N900> lardman: maybe that's the mediaartlocal directory's purpose?
Mar 21 17:24:35 <lardman> no idea, I've not looked at all
Mar 21 17:25:09 <lardman> anapospastos: have a look at the source and see if that's relevant, but you may still suffer from the bug unless you can patch the thumbnailer (I guess) and add it to the community ssu
Mar 21 17:25:26 <MohammadAG> lardman, /home/user/.cache afaik
Mar 21 17:25:34 <lardman> thanks MohammadAG
Mar 21 17:25:47 <lardman> anapospastos: you see that? ^
Mar 21 17:25:55 <MohammadAG> /home/user/.cache/media-art/
Mar 21 17:25:58 <MohammadAG> I could be wrong but...
Mar 21 17:26:09 <MohammadAG> Nokia-N900:~# ls /home/user/.cache/media-art/ | wc -l
Mar 21 17:26:10 <MohammadAG> 187
Mar 21 17:26:14 <lardman> if there's a problem with the way the thumbnailer works anyway it probably makes little difference
Mar 21 17:26:25 <lardman> knowing where the cache is
Mar 21 17:26:31 <MohammadAG> I get wrong album art on Ubuntu too
Mar 21 17:26:39 <MohammadAG> it's tracker, for sure
Mar 21 17:27:07 <lardman> well adding a newer better version of tracker would be a worthwhile cssu goal
Mar 21 17:27:21 <lardman> for anyone brave enough to take it on that is :)
Mar 21 17:27:41 <anapospastos> output of ls /home/user/.cache/media-art/ | wc -l is 75
Mar 21 17:28:02 <pupnik> how about a tracker based on locate/updatedb
Mar 21 17:29:30 * lardman heads home
Mar 21 17:29:34 <lardman> cu chaps tomorrow
Mar 21 17:34:32 <anapospastos> I deleted the cache files and I ran tracker-processes -r but no
Mar 21 17:42:24 <MohammadAG> you could try /home/user/.thumbails/fail
Mar 21 17:42:42 <MohammadAG> appropriately title if I may add
Mar 21 17:42:45 <MohammadAG> /home/user/.thumbnails/fail/hildon-thumbnail
Mar 21 17:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> <YAAAAWN>
Mar 21 17:46:34 <anapospastos> tracker-processes -r is the correct cmd to "refresh" them?
Mar 21 17:49:14 <MohammadAG> not those, no
Mar 21 17:49:26 <MohammadAG> rm -rf the folder, might cause high CPU usage
Mar 21 17:49:37 <MohammadAG> oh and titled* 3 sentences back
Mar 21 17:49:51 <DocScrutinizer> ~spank lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t
Mar 21 17:49:52 * infobot bends lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t's pasty white buttocks.
Mar 21 17:52:42 <anapospastos> it's gst-video-thumb process that causing high cpu usage
Mar 21 17:54:29 <anapospastos> rebooted but the problem remains, oh:(
Mar 21 17:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> gst-video-thumb?? what a useless cruft is THAT?
Mar 21 17:54:49 <ruskie> makes video thumbnails for tracker!!!
Mar 21 17:54:50 <ruskie> gah
Mar 21 17:54:52 <DocScrutinizer> I hope that's not thumbnails of videos
Mar 21 17:54:55 <ruskie> I hate indexers...
Mar 21 17:55:01 <MohammadAG> better
Mar 21 17:55:13 <MohammadAG> thumbnails for the position you paused the video at
Mar 21 17:55:20 <ruskie> even better yeah
Mar 21 17:55:22 <DocScrutinizer> OMFG
Mar 21 17:55:26 <MohammadAG> effectively, it has to play the second you were on, then take an image of that
Mar 21 17:55:30 * DocScrutinizer facepalms
Mar 21 17:55:32 <ruskie> let's open... seek to time index... grab frame
Mar 21 17:56:06 <MohammadAG> #define MAFW_METADATA_KEY_PAUSED_THUMBNAIL_URI   "paused-thumbnail-uri"
Mar 21 17:56:06 <MohammadAG> URI pointing to the thumbnail of the frame where video was paused. Its value is a string.
Mar 21 17:56:06 <MohammadAG> working with mafw taught me a lot
Mar 21 17:56:57 <Venemo_N900> MohammadAG :)
Mar 21 17:57:04 <anapospastos> where else I can find thumbs?
Mar 21 17:57:21 <Proteous> the morgue?
Mar 21 17:57:31 <MohammadAG> each album in MyDocs
Mar 21 17:57:44 <anapospastos> :)
Mar 21 17:57:48 <Venemo_N900> Proteous: lol
Mar 21 17:57:57 <Proteous> belive me, they aren't cheap
Mar 21 17:58:17 <anapospastos> I ve erased them all (the albums)
Mar 21 17:58:24 <MohammadAG> ./.mediaartlocal/ in each folder with mediaart/music with media art
Mar 21 17:58:26 <DocScrutinizer> PLEASE kill that with fire
Mar 21 17:58:35 <MohammadAG> did you erase the hidden folder? if there was one...
Mar 21 17:58:56 <MohammadAG> oh right, and when a song has embedded album art, it's copied to /tmp then a URI is sent over DBus
Mar 21 17:59:04 <anapospastos> pff
Mar 21 17:59:34 <MohammadAG> btw
Mar 21 17:59:41 <MohammadAG> does S360 ring a bell for anyone?
Mar 21 17:59:50 <MohammadAG> it's in the stock player's gconf schema
Mar 21 18:00:29 <ruskie> MohammadAG, erm? some vodafone LiMo phone?
Mar 21 18:01:28 <Venemo_N900> it will definitely ring a bell for google
Mar 21 18:02:31 <anapospastos> I deleted ./.mediaartlocal/ folders too
Mar 21 18:02:37 <MohammadAG> not for the stock player :P
Mar 21 18:10:16 <anapospastos> if I flash with vanilla it probably will be solved right?
Mar 21 18:12:20 <MohammadAG> the eMMC image? yes
Mar 21 18:16:11 <DocScrutinizer> isn't S360 a Siemens big iron?
Mar 21 18:17:08 <DocScrutinizer> oops, IBM S/360
Mar 21 18:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/IBM_System/360
Mar 21 18:25:25 <anapospastos> and how do I know that it wont appear again? I dont know probably..
Mar 21 18:28:46 <DocScrutinizer> you know. There's hardly anything left over when flasshing eMMC (plus inevitably rootfs/COMBINED)
Mar 21 18:29:20 <Venemo_N900> hardly anything?
Mar 21 18:29:22 <Venemo_N900> I thought nothing
Mar 21 18:29:31 <anapospastos> I mean if it will be reproduced
Mar 21 18:45:42 <MohammadAG> Venemo_N900, kernels logs remain on the MTD blocks :p
Mar 21 19:26:47 * pupnik pokes
Mar 21 19:27:41 <pupnik> woohoo daimonin client perfectly scaled at 800x480
Mar 21 19:28:19 <Sc0rpius> thoughts:
Mar 21 19:28:21 <Sc0rpius> http://paidcontent.org/images/editorial/_original/global-os-marketshare-feb.2011-o.png
Mar 21 19:29:11 <pupnik> wow blackberry doing well in uk
Mar 21 19:29:32 <pupnik> wonder if those numbers are real
Mar 21 19:30:15 <wmarone> that japan statistic is BS
Mar 21 19:31:29 <Sc0rpius> they are
Mar 21 19:32:27 <Sc0rpius> I don't know about Japan
Mar 21 19:32:35 <Sc0rpius> but look at Canada, that can't be real
Mar 21 19:33:04 <wmarone> only one carrier in Japan offers the iPhone, Softbank
Mar 21 19:33:08 <pupnik> maybe it was a survey?
Mar 21 19:33:43 <wmarone> this is selective data, and not enough information is at hand to determine what the selection was
Mar 21 19:34:35 <sp3000> well it does state the data source
Mar 21 19:34:49 <sp3000> which is a generic website stats thing
Mar 21 19:35:31 <Sc0rpius> yeah
Mar 21 19:35:41 <Sc0rpius> but I think Apple was given more than it really has
Mar 21 19:35:45 <sp3000> which will have interesting bias in various ways
Mar 21 19:36:21 <sp3000> which makes it an interesting graphic, but the title seems a fair bit off
Mar 21 19:42:00 <sp3000> heh, maemo browser has 4-5% in finland there ;)
Mar 21 19:43:12 <sp3000> (in mobile browsers.)
Mar 21 19:43:36 <pupnik> check out daimonin client rescaled http://i.imgur.com/IgVHP.png
Mar 21 19:50:32 <RST38h> Moo all
Mar 21 19:50:53 <pupnik> meew
Mar 21 19:55:25 <Sc0rpius> pupnik, that looks like fun
Mar 21 19:55:30 <Sc0rpius> it's an online RPG game?
Mar 21 19:56:11 <ruskie> something like that
Mar 21 19:58:05 <pupnik> yes it needs a new gen of players
Mar 21 19:58:31 <MohammadAG> chem|st, you might wanna deal with this http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=71255&page=2
Mar 21 19:59:27 <Sc0rpius> if  that sak500 "jumped ship" why is he still bothers to post
Mar 21 19:59:33 <Sc0rpius> -is
Mar 21 20:01:31 <RST38h> butthurt?
Mar 21 20:12:20 <Venemo> Sc0rpius, many guys who don't care about Maemo at all go to maemo.org and TMO "for the lulz"
Mar 21 20:14:20 <pupnik> Sc0rpius: yeah it's got very small font though, so i don't know how playable it will be on n900
Mar 21 20:15:27 <pupnik> of course a heavy UI rewrite for more modal menus is possible but who has the time
Mar 21 20:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> meh, reggie been too fast, I missed all the lulz
Mar 21 20:24:49 <mece> anyone know where I can get my filthy mittens on xulrunner-dev for maemo5 arm?
Mar 21 20:31:17 <mdnneo> hi all, i got a question on g_ether i could start it through modprobe g_ether and conigure through ipconfigure usb0 .... up
Mar 21 20:32:07 <mdnneo> if i then try to ping the io given in ifcofigure nothing happens
Mar 21 20:32:26 <mdnneo> sorry not io .. ip
Mar 21 20:34:48 <pupnik> pinging the interface from the n900?
Mar 21 20:35:31 <mdnneo> yes ... so to say. i just want to ping myself. shouldnt this be possible?
Mar 21 20:35:37 <pupnik> i guess you could check your route with route -n
Mar 21 20:35:40 <pupnik> are you root?
Mar 21 20:35:56 <mdnneo> yes im root
Mar 21 20:37:11 <pupnik> i don't recall what it needs
Mar 21 20:37:47 <pupnik> i think there was something in modprobe.d
Mar 21 20:41:25 <mdnneo> is their an other way to check if my g_ether work propperly? my problem is if i attach my device to my pc (with win7) it didnt find a propper driver (i tryed with the linux.inf rndis driver) but it always says unknown device
Mar 21 20:42:32 <DocScrutinizer> err, you need a local IP for the NIC, and a IP for the 'other end', and you need a proper default gateway in route
Mar 21 20:45:42 <mdnneo> wow ... can you maybe give some more details im pretty new to all this stuff. i just tried the same in my ubuntu virtualbox (with modprobe g_ether and ifconfig and there i can ping "myself"
Mar 21 20:46:32 <mdnneo> so i thought pinging my self were a first good test
Mar 21 20:46:56 <DocScrutinizer> well, seems yur maemo side is ok then. Sorry I got no idea whatsoever about Windows
Mar 21 20:47:34 <DocScrutinizer> ping "yourself" means? I hope you ping the N900 from PC (or vice versa)
Mar 21 20:48:50 <mdnneo> no i try to ping th n900 from itself
Mar 21 20:51:28 <vista_flasher> Hello everyone, im trying to flash my N900 but having some problems. Im running vista, and when typing in the .bin file it responds with "....ARM.bin: %m", so it finds the device but its not able to flash. any suggestions are welcome! :)
Mar 21 20:52:26 <pupnik> can't find my cable mdnneo sorry
Mar 21 20:53:12 <pupnik> mdnneo: did you see this? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=34690
Mar 21 20:53:49 <pupnik> hi vista_flasher please link to the instructions you are following
Mar 21 20:53:52 <andre__> vista_flasher, which exact full command to you use for flashing?
Mar 21 20:54:44 <vista_flasher> Thanks for the fast response! These are the instructions im following: http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Mar 21 20:56:01 <vista_flasher> Tried googling for the %m but didnt come up with anything... do you think flashing the eMMC will solve my problem?
Mar 21 20:58:49 <pupnik> i have no experience with that windows flasher
Mar 21 20:59:09 <Proteous> pupniks stock answer
Mar 21 21:00:00 <pupnik> Proteous: feel free to help
Mar 21 21:00:04 <Proteous> heh
Mar 21 21:00:15 <Proteous> It's been a while since I've flashed my n900
Mar 21 21:00:54 <pupnik> perhaps the file you downloaded is wrong vista_flasher -- what is the file size?
Mar 21 21:01:12 <pupnik> check against the size listed on the download page
Mar 21 21:01:43 <Proteous> are you using 32 or 64bit vista?
Mar 21 21:03:35 <andre__> http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=53344 post 13 and further seems to be the same issue (%m)
Mar 21 21:03:38 <vista_flasher> im using 32bit vista
Mar 21 21:04:38 <pupnik> i would be so lost without grep
Mar 21 21:05:58 <vista_flasher> the filesize is ok
Mar 21 21:10:38 <vista_flasher> still error msg: "C:\Program Files\maemo\flasher-3.5>flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_P R_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f -R flasher v2.5.2 (Sep 24 2009)  RX-51_2009SE_2.2009.51-1_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin: %m"
Mar 21 21:12:29 <vista_flasher> Checked the documentation but cant find anything on "%m", would help if I knew what it ment :)
Mar 21 21:13:18 <mdnneo> ok thanks for your help so far ... will check some things and come back =) .. cya
Mar 21 21:14:42 <pupnik> why is there a space between P and R vista_flasher ?
Mar 21 21:15:09 <vista_flasher> because the window breaked there
Mar 21 21:16:21 <vista_flasher> ohh is that what they ment that it cant handle the spaces, should try putting it in C: instead :D
Mar 21 21:17:41 <pupnik> putting spaces in filenames is just one evil thing microsoft started
Mar 21 21:18:31 <wmarone> nonsense, you've been able to do it on *nix and MacOS back when Windows was still limited to 8.3
Mar 21 21:19:04 <wmarone> never mind that people will do it anyway
Mar 21 21:21:27 * Arkenoi started with 6.3
Mar 21 21:22:21 <vista_flasher> still no luck,  still that %m showing up...
Mar 21 21:26:47 <zanberdo> installed firefox 4 on my n900. would like to enable flash, but the add-on flash enable does not work with this version. is there another way to enable flash for ff 4 or should I just skip it?
Mar 21 21:27:00 <kerio> i'd skip firefox
Mar 21 21:27:47 <zanberdo> why?
Mar 21 21:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> vista_flasher: check for *full* p:ath/filename to the file to flash. Use tab completion
Mar 21 21:30:36 <vista_flasher> DocScrutinizer, you were right, I did mispell the flashfile
Mar 21 21:31:27 <vista_flasher> is it normal for it to just take 33 seconds? ...
Mar 21 21:33:05 <vista_flasher> lol it got bricked during flash :o
Mar 21 21:33:30 <SpeedEvil> It will take several minutes to boot first time agter flash
Mar 21 21:33:51 <vista_flasher> i will have to flash eMMC
Mar 21 21:34:08 <vista_flasher> doing it on another computer this, this one sux. darn vista.........
Mar 21 21:49:28 <sp3000> http://gs.statcounter.com/#mobile_os-an-monthly-201003-201102
Mar 21 22:08:41 <ryoohki> what's the latest in the n800,n810,n900, ... series phone?
Mar 21 22:09:14 <vista_flasher> working alot better flashing the phone after flashing the eMMC
Mar 21 22:10:16 <merlin1991> ryoohki: only the n900 is a phone
Mar 21 22:12:38 <vista_flasher> Eyy its working like a charm! Thanks for all the help! :)
Mar 21 22:16:14 <vista_flasher> uhm guys... when I started my phone now and entered SIM card, it freezes and I just se the button in top left corner and a lot of red dots on the screen. What's that about? :/
Mar 21 22:17:10 <andre__> what button?
Mar 21 22:17:28 <vista_flasher> the menu button :)
Mar 21 22:18:33 <vista_flasher> oh wait, just restarted the phone, now it seems to be working
Mar 21 22:18:33 <andre__> ah, so you are already on the desktop (was wondering whether it's still in the "five-dots" state
Mar 21 22:21:19 <vista_flasher> why do I get the impression of that  my N900 now is faster than before?
Mar 21 22:25:16 <vista_flasher> faster application manager is short: fapman right?
Mar 21 22:25:36 <SpeedEvil> yes
Mar 21 22:26:15 <pupnik> yes
Mar 21 22:33:33 <vista_flasher> Which N900 theme is the best one? (Yeah im starting this war!)
Mar 21 22:34:53 <merlin1991> nseries
Mar 21 22:34:56 <merlin1991> doen
Mar 21 22:35:03 <merlin1991> s/doen/done/
Mar 21 22:35:04 <merlin1991> :D
Mar 21 23:32:17 <infobot> Okay, I'm here. (courtesy of docscrutinizer)
Mar 21 23:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Mar 21 23:35:24 <DocScrutinizer> 'lo lcukn900
Mar 21 23:49:44 <lcuk> DocScrutinizer, \o
Mar 22 01:27:25 <Guest40473> am.. i using sshfs wrong?
Mar 22 01:27:51 <Guest40473> id user -> uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users)
Mar 22 01:29:16 <Guest40473> sshfs -ouid=29999,gid=29999,rw,nonempty bjv@192.168.0.23:/media/a6fab708-3cd2-45da-9132-2f647c38a645/home/bjv/Desktop/maemo_backup flash_backup
Mar 22 01:29:18 <Guest40473> no errors
Mar 22 01:30:30 <Guest40473> mount | tail -n1   -> sshfs#bjv@192.168.0.23:/media/a6fab708-3cd2-45da-9132-2f647c38a645/home/bjv/Desktop/maemo_backup on /home/user/external/downloads/flash_backup type fuse (rw,nosuid,nodev,user_id=29999,group_id=29999,max_read=65536)
Mar 22 01:31:07 <Guest40473> but   ls -l     ->    ls: ./flash_backup: Permission denied
Mar 22 01:34:16 <pupnik> odd
Mar 22 01:34:46 <Guest40473> tab completion does not work on the mountpoint, while it's mounted
Mar 22 02:06:05 <Sazpaimon> hey guys, anyone see this: https://launchpad.net/ubuntu/+source/lightspark/0.4.6-0ubuntu1/+buildjob/2322035
Mar 22 02:06:30 <Sazpaimon> lightspark (opensource Actionscript 3.0 parser) ported to ARM
Mar 22 02:06:44 <pupnik> no idea what that's for
Mar 22 02:06:52 <Sazpaimon> AS 3.0 is part of flash 10
Mar 22 02:06:58 <pupnik> oh
Mar 22 02:07:21 <Sazpaimon> anyone wanna try these debs (assuming the prereqs jive with Maemo 5)
Mar 22 02:07:37 <Sazpaimon> my N900 is still a few days away from being delivered, otherwise I'd try it
Mar 22 02:10:39 <pupnik> not a friend of flash here
Mar 22 02:12:52 <Sazpaimon> the only issue I think is I don't think the ARM build of lightspark has any hardware acceleration
Mar 22 02:19:36 * pupnik learns more how to play teh daimonin
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