**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Mar 22 02:59:57 2011 Mar 22 04:02:46 hi Mar 22 06:03:51 * DocScrutinizer wonders what' the issue with sshfs/fuse Mar 22 06:34:42 morning Mar 22 06:35:02 mohammoaning Mar 22 06:59:00 tekojo: hi Mar 22 07:27:58 wow, TEPCO learns to talk: http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300758392P.pdf Mar 22 07:30:01 well, actually JAIF Mar 22 07:31:25 Mar 22 07:32:51 good morning Mar 22 07:42:58 hello Mar 22 07:43:20 DocScrutinizer, \o Mar 22 07:44:33 o/ Mar 22 07:46:02 OT: could anybody explain to me what's the meaning of "seawater injection to core: continuing" in http://www.jaif.or.jp/english/news_images/pdf/ENGNEWS01_1300758392P.pdf rsp http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_Fukushima_nuclear_accidents Mar 22 07:50:57 DocScrutinizer, didn't rtfa, but it means that they are pushing seawater int to cool it, and not using the water meant for the job. It's a last effort kind of thing that ruins the powerplant Mar 22 07:53:02 mece: that's what it suggests to us. But honestly, continuing injection of seawater and still way too low water level? And for all I know you can't "inject" arbitrary amounts of substance nto a closed containment, so what's *really* happening there? Mar 22 07:53:58 is that like "inject 500L, wait 2 days and watch occasional steam escaping, repeat" ? Mar 22 07:55:01 possibly Mar 22 07:55:10 it has emergency cooling systems (and sensors) so I'm guessing it's not really completely sealed in that sense Mar 22 07:55:23 AIUI either they continuously "inject" cooling (sea) water and it comes out somewhere else, or this statement is BS Mar 22 07:56:06 I tend to favour #2 Mar 22 07:56:07 I think it's coming out as steam <_< Mar 22 07:56:37 then they evidently inject too little water Mar 22 07:56:49 maybe they mean cooling the reactor from the outside with seawater. Not actually injecting into the core Mar 22 07:58:20 why doesn't ffmpeg have hwacceleration on maemo? Mar 22 07:58:35 we have va/glx drivers don't we? Mar 22 07:58:45 because it's not used by the platform - the hardware acceleration is done with gstreamer Mar 22 07:58:52 ok Mar 22 07:59:06 but could it be used? Mar 22 07:59:32 and I don't think there are any va drivers either Mar 22 07:59:39 oh :/ Mar 22 08:01:20 so it's just using the OMAP DSP to run the codecs, and the decoded frames are sent either to a hardware overlay or to a video texture with Xv Mar 22 08:02:02 gstreamer takes care of the depayloading, audio decoding, etc and syncronizes the playback between the video and the audio etc Mar 22 08:08:20 Robot101, ok, thanks. Mar 22 08:14:31 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/03/22/app_of_the_week_android_thrutu/ <-- interesting app Mar 22 08:31:37 why is there no gtkglext in the repos? Mar 22 08:45:21 good moorning maemo Mar 22 09:14:30 hey Mar 22 09:14:45 regarding ffmpeg vs gst Mar 22 09:15:34 is playback via gst automagically hwaccelerated? Mar 22 09:41:20 gstreamer is an API, not an impl Mar 22 09:42:13 mece: you probably want to ask about gstreamer-plugins-good or something Mar 22 09:51:51 mece, yes Mar 22 09:51:59 though read what timeless_w7ip said Mar 22 10:05:13 ok thanks. Mar 22 10:08:28 timeless_w7ip, isn't it both? Mar 22 10:08:56 timeless_w7ip, gstreamer implements *something* Mar 22 10:09:11 (the basic DAG handling, and a number of standard filters) Mar 22 10:09:21 It delegates codec handling to plug-ins Mar 22 10:09:47 (and in fact gstreamer itself is a bunch of plug-ins + the framework to load them & move data through a graph) Mar 22 10:10:03 As I understand it, at least (and I might be wrong) Mar 22 10:10:13 hey dneary Mar 22 10:10:21 Hi anddie Mar 22 10:10:31 been hitting the headlines quite a few times recently Mar 22 10:10:40 crash: Whatever do you mean? Mar 22 10:10:53 /. Mar 22 10:11:08 You've been mentioned what, 3 or 4 times in a week? Mar 22 10:11:17 (not this week) Mar 22 10:11:25 dneary: well sure, gstreamer implements a framework Mar 22 10:11:38 dneary: but for the purposes of the question, gstreamer was the wrong layer Mar 22 10:11:44 and that's all i intended to correct Mar 22 10:12:01 gstreamer is something like MCI Mar 22 10:12:01 timeless_w7ip, I missed the question :) Mar 22 10:12:09 dneary: the channel has logs ;-) Mar 22 10:12:12 I just saw your answer Mar 22 10:12:14 dneary, timeless_w7ip, well how does it relate? I have a choice between ffmpeg or gst, and ffmpeg on N900 does not support va-api Mar 22 10:12:44 Ah: "regarding ffmpeg vs gst: is playback via gst automagically hwaccelerated?" Mar 22 10:12:45 mece: ffmpeg is more or less an api + an impl Mar 22 10:13:00 gst is the api, the impl could be one of a number of things Mar 22 10:13:03 timeless_w7ip, yes. That's why it's a bit comfusing Mar 22 10:13:09 mece, GStreamer provides, among other things, an ffmpeg plug-in Mar 22 10:13:13 it could be some standard open source impl which probably isn't hardware accelerated Mar 22 10:13:20 So you can use both gstreamer & ffmpeg, if you so desire Mar 22 10:13:21 dneary, I noticed. Mar 22 10:13:30 or it could be a licensed thing which is hardware accelerated Mar 22 10:13:51 dneary, but gnash has the two options mentioned. gst or ffmpeg Mar 22 10:13:52 i'm pretty sure that the mpeg impl that gst generally gives you on the n900 uses the DSP or something similar Mar 22 10:14:14 but it's really outside my area Mar 22 10:14:26 mece, As timeless said, ffmpeg is itself an API to code against, independent of codecs & their implementations Mar 22 10:14:46 mece, To summarise: both ffmpeg and gstreamer are abstractions Mar 22 10:15:03 gstreamer can use the ffmpeg abstraction as one of its back-ends Mar 22 10:15:27 gstreamer supports both hardware-accelerated & pure software back-ends Mar 22 10:15:43 ffmpeg provides (I think) only pure-software codec implementations Mar 22 10:16:09 So gstreamer has the potential to support HW acceleration, whereas ffmpeg does not Mar 22 10:16:15 timeless_w7ip, Is that correct? Mar 22 10:16:30 dneary, among other things. It [ffmpeg] can utilize va/glx to provide hw accelration via vaapi, but not the version that is in maemo5 repos. Mar 22 10:16:45 dneary: sadly it isn't that simple :( Mar 22 10:17:02 mece, So, yes, ffmpeg could use any back-end API it wants for rendering Mar 22 10:17:25 Incl. X11, gl/glx, and even ascii art Mar 22 10:17:58 but generally when people talk about ffmpeg i think there are thankfully countably few impls that people mean Mar 22 10:18:04 whereas for gst, it's much worse :) Mar 22 10:18:11 mece, And if it uses a GL back-end and you're running on hardware that can do GL natively, then in some sense you get "hardware acceleration" Mar 22 10:18:13 either way I'm compiling gnash with everything I could get working, so I can test different settings with command line options Mar 22 10:18:14 For the rendering Mar 22 10:18:20 But not for the codec phase Mar 22 10:18:31 mece, That sounds sane :) Mar 22 10:20:25 dneary, problem is I configured for all possiblt hw accel options, but none actually got enabled :/ Mar 22 10:20:46 options being vaapi, xv and omap Mar 22 10:21:47 also, there doesn't appear to be gtkglext for maemo5 so I can't get gtk ui + opengl rendering, which is annoying. Mar 22 10:24:07 I believe this lib is going to be gigantic Mar 22 10:24:27 93Mb O.o Mar 22 10:27:02 mece: w/ or w/o debug info? Mar 22 10:30:56 timeless_w7ip, hmm.. I dunno. lemme check. Mar 22 10:46:08 timeless_w7ip, w/ Mar 22 10:46:14 I think Mar 22 10:47:26 oo there's a gles renderer! Mar 22 10:47:28 that should help Mar 22 10:47:50 morning Mar 22 10:47:56 the main lib so file is 62Mb Mar 22 10:48:04 * lardman wishes his client would remember the time at which a highlight was made Mar 22 10:49:50 (05:45:35 PM) ***infobot bends lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on lardman|gone for suggesting yet another tracker sh*t's pasty white buttocks. Mar 22 10:50:10 thanks SpeedEvil Mar 22 10:50:22 wtf? Mar 22 10:50:22 seems fair too, whoever cursed me Mar 22 10:50:33 mece: lol Mar 22 10:50:47 haaahahahhaa Mar 22 10:50:47 :D Mar 22 10:50:51 good stuff Mar 22 10:59:55 Gaaaaah! stupid frackin scp! Mar 22 11:00:04 sshtar time. Mar 22 11:00:09 * mece rips hair out Mar 22 11:00:18 FauxFaux, going for rsync. Mar 22 11:00:51 scp make symlinks copies of file. so now I have 2 of those 62Mb files. Mar 22 11:02:19 Hmm Mar 22 11:02:39 Indeed, some form of highlight history would be nice Mar 22 11:04:40 Hi guys, I am looking on how to get IPv6 support on my N900 Mar 22 11:04:41 mece: rsync Mar 22 11:04:42 oh Mar 22 11:04:45 ;) Mar 22 11:05:03 massoud, compile a custom kernel that has ipv6 support? Mar 22 11:05:04 actually I targz'd it and then scp'd. was faster. saved 80Mb :D Mar 22 11:05:59 are there issues with ipv6 support or could that be included in cssu I wonder? Mar 22 11:08:30 http://xkcd.com/225/ Still funny. ;) Mar 22 11:09:20 psycho_oreos : there is now kernel mod available w/ IPv6 support ready for n900, i wonder there should be lots of n900 users that want ipv6 support ? Mar 22 11:10:02 massoud, maybe, when IANA phases out IPv4 Mar 22 11:11:23 ipv6 will probably run out of addresses before that happens Mar 22 11:11:39 around 2020 ;) Mar 22 11:12:55 more like 2012, the end of the world. There will be hardly anyone left that will still be fiddling with technology when there are epic crisis everywhere Mar 22 11:13:29 so none of you guys run ipv6 on n900 ? :) Mar 22 11:13:49 I run IPv7 Mar 22 11:14:06 planning to upgrade to IPv11 next month Mar 22 11:14:13 the experimental IPv8? that's interesting Mar 22 11:15:50 whoa, my nose will so bleed -_-' technology evolving way faster than what humans are able to do with their noodle filled brain Mar 22 11:16:13 its like travelling at warp speed Mar 22 11:20:28 massoud: there was a nokia-palo-alto released ipv6 for maemo tech demo iirc Mar 22 11:20:41 but note that ipv6 on mobile phones is more or less a disaster Mar 22 11:20:48 indeed Mar 22 11:20:54 because the cellular network design is broken Mar 22 11:21:09 and you basically need the networks to deploy a new thing Mar 22 11:21:14 and they're terrible at fast roll out Mar 22 11:21:18 http://i2catblogctx.wordpress.com/2011/01/10/ready-to-go-ipv6-think-again/ Mar 22 11:24:33 timeless_w7ip : thanks a lot, do you have a DL link for the kernel image, I would like to run mesh-network wifi protocol Mar 22 11:26:22 I want to run babeld on my n900 to run sip tests over the mesh network Mar 22 11:33:43 hmpf since there is ff4 for maemo, you'd think you would be able to find xulrunner-dev for maemo somewhere. Mar 22 11:36:45 is it possible to forward X on the n900? I alreadey installed the ssh_d and in /etc/ssh/sshd_config X11 forwarding is enabled Mar 22 11:38:19 sq-one, yes. should work Mar 22 11:38:27 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=41168 Mar 22 11:39:15 s/http:\/\/talk.maemo.org\/showthread.php?t=41168/sq-one, here are some comments about it: http:\/\/talk.maemo.org\/showthread.php?t=41168/ Mar 22 11:39:22 hmpf. Mar 22 11:47:15 timeless_w7ip: mind to elaborate what's the GSM borne network problems with IPv6? Mar 22 11:51:31 http://rfc-ref.org/RFC-TEXTS/4215/chapter1.html Mar 22 11:51:32 perhaps? Mar 22 11:51:56 please keep in mind that this isn't my area Mar 22 11:52:19 but basically it seems that when you connect to the network you make a connection which gives you an ipv4 Mar 22 11:52:30 and you aren't really in a position to also ask for an ipv6 Mar 22 11:52:44 worse, it seems that the deployed hardware isn't in any position to give you an ipv6 Mar 22 11:53:00 massoud: I chose "Nokia N900" year ago as I wanted to have IPv6 subnet for Bluetooth PAN over mobile network uplink always in my pocket Mar 22 11:53:59 doc: basically of all the groups not remotely well positioned to deploy ipv6, the cellular industry is #1 Mar 22 11:54:30 there's also iiuc concern that trying to deploy ipv6 in certain other manners would break "legacy" devices :) Mar 22 11:54:48 and since a legacy device is basically any phone from before say 2011 or 2012 or 2013 Mar 22 11:54:52 that's a lot of phones :) Mar 22 11:55:26 this doesn't even cover fun stuff like ipv6 for mms message centers Mar 22 11:55:49 or the fact that your cell provider might not have working ipv6 routing to a destination Mar 22 11:55:56 (that's the normal ipv6 hassle) Mar 22 11:56:56 docscrutinizer: is that sufficient? Mar 22 11:57:05 eep, missing lunch Mar 22 11:57:07 ahh Mar 22 11:57:09 sp3000: lunch plans? Mar 22 11:57:30 doc: basically exec summary: the cellular industry did a really bad job designing their protocol Mar 22 11:57:36 and a bad job in arranging their hardware Mar 22 11:57:50 and were incredibly lazy about planning for the future Mar 22 11:58:08 which makes them just like every other giant who doesn't plan for tomorrow or the next day Mar 22 12:02:31 ouch, now I realize there's some layers of IP stack implemented in modem FW :-S Mar 22 12:03:50 it occurs to me the data transfer via GPRS isn't like any usual NIC you tell about raw data and MAC of destination Mar 22 12:04:52 mhm, that pretty much kills IPv6 Mar 22 12:05:26 yeah Mar 22 12:05:35 It could've been so simple, change APN to APN-v6 Mar 22 12:05:42 basically cell phones won't get a chance at ipv6 until 2013 or so Mar 22 12:05:47 long after we've run out of addresses Mar 22 12:06:09 all because of what are essentially layering violations on the part of the cell industry Mar 22 12:06:28 yeah Mar 22 12:08:39 so what's our chances to see a IPv6 enabled cmt FW for N900? :-P Mar 22 12:09:49 hardly matters Mar 22 12:10:01 timeless_w7ip: AIUI that nokia-palo-alto IPv6 implementation been a tunneling IPv6-over-v4, no? Mar 22 12:10:03 the odds of you having a non lame cellular provider aren't great Mar 22 12:10:11 doc: yeah it was tunneling Mar 22 12:10:25 but tunneling has advntages: .us PoP! Mar 22 12:10:27 hulu! Mar 22 12:10:42 timeless_w7ip: word Mar 22 12:10:44 :-D Mar 22 12:10:44 hulu++ Mar 22 12:11:03 man I felt like such a haxx0r first time I did that ;) Mar 22 12:11:34 .oO(???) Mar 22 12:12:14 used an anonymizer to get into hulu (which otherwise restricts me from accessing it due to my being outside of the US) Mar 22 12:12:41 (???)0°` :-) Mar 22 12:13:10 wtf hulu Mar 22 12:13:25 hulu is uh... Mar 22 12:13:56 all the OMGPONIES!11 fun american sitcoms and drama shows streamed via flash on the web Mar 22 12:14:05 prolly I don't want to know as I never missed it yet Mar 22 12:14:42 if you watch House MD or 2� men or similar shit you'll likely find hulu usefull Mar 22 12:14:43 aah, that even explained WHY I never missed it Mar 22 12:17:35 I prefer House in a synced version, downloaded and easy playback, easy watching. I'm not a native English speaker and movies are incredibly uphill to watch for me Mar 22 12:18:19 even news at CNN are hard Mar 22 12:18:28 I prefer written English Mar 22 12:19:07 doc: ah Mar 22 12:19:10 DocScrutinizer: you should try sherlock holmes in english then, watch it as many times as you need to understand everything, then you might be ready for any london mouth Mar 22 12:19:16 note that generally you can buffer and play things back Mar 22 12:19:44 no leisure activity Mar 22 12:20:51 a london friend of mine made me become london mouth resistant... Mar 22 12:21:04 took about 2 years though Mar 22 12:21:09 I'd probably consider it more fun when somebody reads a sourcecode and I try to understand what the program does by listening to that Mar 22 12:21:44 try espeak... Mar 22 12:22:04 well, conversation face to face usually is easy, but listening to others talking their thing is hard Mar 22 12:23:20 actually I prefer british to american English. Even Scottish is kinda nice, after an hour. But only when sitting with a guy and having a beer Mar 22 12:23:38 true Mar 22 12:26:10 * DocScrutinizer watched 4 episodes of House playback by N900 hooked up to TV recently. Only way to get downloaded files to a decent screen here Mar 22 12:30:54 is there a working Google Calendar sync method atm? Mar 22 12:31:48 DocScrutinizer: British? It's English English thank you very much ;) Mar 22 12:32:13 lol Mar 22 12:33:34 english is refered to as american british or aussie... accent is another thing Mar 22 12:34:03 lardman: I thought exchange stuff wrapps around google?! Mar 22 12:35:01 chem|st: Well I speak English as I am English, so no need for an affix ;) Mar 22 12:35:09 Exchange stuff doesn't work afair Mar 22 12:35:19 comes up with connection errors, etc Mar 22 12:35:34 s/affix/prefix Mar 22 12:36:28 lardman: you speak british english with an english accent which is different to talking american english with an english accent... Mar 22 12:36:50 lardman: what's the non-french tongue in canada called? and what does it sound like to a native speaker? Mar 22 12:37:21 chem|st: I speak English, those in the US speak American English, etc Mar 22 12:37:22 that is funny in some movies where they meme an english accent but talk american Mar 22 12:37:59 DocScrutinizer51: Canadian English, sounds Canadian :) Mar 22 12:38:02 lardman: that sounds mor like religion... as scotts talk scot'ish?! Mar 22 12:38:31 sets wut I saut Mar 22 12:39:04 chem|st: nah, just my pet peeve Mar 22 12:39:27 chem|st: totally indeed.. Mar 22 12:39:46 by definition the only german speaking part of the world is in northern germany Mar 22 12:40:22 all other parts are called dialekt but most of them are an own language by definition Mar 22 12:40:26 hihihi Mar 22 12:40:43 and it's called German there, not German German? ;) Mar 22 12:41:07 lardman: do you know people who speak Austrian? Mar 22 12:41:12 not to be confused with Austorian Mar 22 12:41:22 Austrian German, yes Mar 22 12:41:22 and certainly not to be confused with Australian Mar 22 12:41:27 :) Mar 22 12:41:29 true that, Bavarian is impossible to understand Mar 22 12:41:29 swiss german Mar 22 12:41:39 chem|st: bavarian Mar 22 12:41:42 swiss german is nasty stuff Mar 22 12:41:51 how about Swiss Italian? Mar 22 12:42:01 I don't speak Italian Mar 22 12:42:02 even worse Mar 22 12:43:52 my point is simply that in Germany they speak German, in Switzerland it's called Swiss German; in France they speak French, in Canada it's Canadian French; in England we speak English. British (English) is unneeded as a qualifier Mar 22 12:44:07 Does having a Swiss Franc entitle you to speak Swiss French? Mar 22 12:44:26 In Belgium they speak Belgian French? Mar 22 12:44:32 guys Mar 22 12:44:33 or Belgian Dutch? Mar 22 12:44:36 I speak fluent swabian, carintian (austrian dialekt) and understand most dialekts/languages german based in the south Mar 22 12:44:58 is there something that records battery life % into some data file with cpu usage % Mar 22 12:45:07 macman: we're busy having a pointless discussiom, if you want to be productive, might i suggest you ask again in 10mins? :) Mar 22 12:45:21 timeless_w7ip: Belgian Dutch = Flemish afaiu Mar 22 12:45:28 or rather, any recommendations from the available battery-related packages Mar 22 12:45:29 macmaN, "BatteryGraph" Mar 22 12:45:38 lardman: but you said it should be called Belgian Dutch! Mar 22 12:45:47 realy hard you get with allemanian (southwest dialect close to the swiss boarder but still germany, close to swiss german but with swabian and badian influence) Mar 22 12:46:06 timeless_w7ip: no, I said that the British bit is unneeded on the front of English as a description of what is spoken in England Mar 22 12:46:28 macmaN: batterygraph? Mar 22 12:46:30 lcuk: aha ok that looks about right Mar 22 12:46:59 lardman: if read like this yes Mar 22 12:47:22 macmaN: bq27200.sh >my.log Mar 22 12:47:25 i am trying to figure out whether i should still use wifi switcher or does the power kernel do something etter Mar 22 12:47:29 better Mar 22 12:47:36 compared to stock kernel Mar 22 12:47:59 but without telling that you are from "england" useless statement as the americans believe that they all talk perfect clean english Mar 22 12:48:15 nah, both work ok, even without friggin switchers Mar 22 12:48:22 and that is the crux of the problem ;) Mar 22 12:48:42 anyway /me gives up annoying timeless_w7ip :) Mar 22 12:48:48 sorry timeless_w7ip Mar 22 12:48:57 macmaN: if your wifi is set to powersaving and stuff not your wifi is draining the battery but your accounts logged in Mar 22 12:50:26 macmaN: seems all those other battery* apps are quite greedy and hog CPU and thus not only log but also deplete battery Mar 22 12:50:49 DocScrutinizer: including batterygraph or this one is OK Mar 22 12:50:55 also all of them rely on hal, and hal is spreading bme's lies Mar 22 12:51:00 * lardman tries Erminig for Google sync Mar 22 12:51:04 mhmmm Mar 22 12:51:05 okay Mar 22 12:51:31 umm bq27200.sh refers to what Mar 22 12:51:34 checkout bq27200 Mar 22 12:51:44 to bq27200 :-) Mar 22 12:51:57 aka battery gauge chip Mar 22 12:52:04 directly Mar 22 12:52:14 and immediately Mar 22 12:52:18 DocScrutinizer: Why do you think bme is reporting bad data? Mar 22 12:52:31 neal: because it does Mar 22 12:52:40 err, dunno, maybe because bme is crap? Mar 22 12:53:33 at least that's basically in line with what I got told by nokia affiliates that actually looked into it Mar 22 12:53:34 have you measured it? Mar 22 12:53:55 measured what? bme's lies? Mar 22 12:54:11 I'd not know where to attach the polygraph Mar 22 12:54:15 do you mean the percent that it reports? or the report volt/ampere? Mar 22 12:54:17 DocScrutinizer, what's the ssh command you use again? Mar 22 12:54:21 s/report/reported/ Mar 22 12:54:22 neal meant: do you mean the percent that it reporteds? or the report volt/ampere? Mar 22 12:54:29 MohammadAG: mompls Mar 22 12:54:33 infobot: no I didn't Mar 22 12:54:48 neal: I did after my device stuck at 0% for hours with the same ampere-h left Mar 22 12:54:51 hmm, Erminig doesn't seem to work Mar 22 12:54:54 ssh -o StrictHostKeyChecking=no -o UserKnownHostsFile=/dev/null -l root t900 Mar 22 12:55:56 * lardman heads to get some lunch Mar 22 12:56:03 chem|st: interesting, I haven't observed that. Mar 22 12:56:03 lardman: ++ Mar 22 12:56:10 DocScrutinizer, thanks Mar 22 12:56:15 np Mar 22 12:56:19 chem|st: is it reproducible? Mar 22 12:56:21 DocScrutinizer: ok found bq27200.sh Mar 22 12:56:41 check CI=0 Mar 22 12:56:42 neal: with pr1.2 it shuts down at that point and I guess there are hours left as I can at least boot it up 3 times Mar 22 12:57:00 CI=1 means battery capacity calculations are incorrect Mar 22 12:57:21 chem|st: ah. I usually plug in after that. Mar 22 12:57:39 DocScrutinizer: where do I read CI? Mar 22 12:57:43 neal: I had that 0% for hours several times yes Mar 22 12:57:56 in bq27200.sh output (not in loop mode though) Mar 22 12:58:15 CI=1 Mar 22 12:58:16 :/ Mar 22 12:58:27 why? WHYYY? Mar 22 12:58:35 * macmaN runs away crying Mar 22 12:58:40 so you have to complete a learning cycle Mar 22 12:59:06 means fully charge then completely discharge the cell Mar 22 12:59:31 DocScrutinizer: thanks. Mar 22 12:59:59 neal: the most detail you get with bq27200.sh 5 Mar 22 13:00:12 there's no use in shorter period times Mar 22 13:00:25 as the chip's cycle time is 5.12s Mar 22 13:00:41 DocScrutinizer: where is that script? Mar 22 13:00:58 if you go for longer periods, you get a spotlight on last 5.12 s Mar 22 13:01:45 http://enivax.net/jk/n900/ Mar 22 13:01:55 thanks Mar 22 13:02:01 I suggest you use bq.tar Mar 22 13:02:11 so, maemo is probably the best OS nokia has every produced Mar 22 13:02:19 i would have to agree Mar 22 13:02:24 yo Mar 22 13:02:32 and most of it wasnt even done by them :> Mar 22 13:02:36 anybody knows how to get out of S^4/N8 WHITE SCREEN OF DEATH other than waiting for the battery to crap? Mar 22 13:02:48 Remove the battery! Mar 22 13:02:59 use sledge hammer Mar 22 13:03:03 FauxFaux: can you get me that watch maker screwdriver? Mar 22 13:03:16 this is really unbeliveble. Mar 22 13:03:18 but mind you = Mar 22 13:03:25 I think I know what is the culprit Mar 22 13:03:32 the crappy nUnlock app Mar 22 13:03:38 I removed it and then it went crazy Mar 22 13:03:42 look for very small holes that are NOT mic or speaker apertures :-D Mar 22 13:03:52 DocScrutinizer: I found them :) Mar 22 13:03:53 some phones have a reset switch Mar 22 13:04:07 DocScrutinizer: right, but then I'd have to use the Phoenix Mar 22 13:04:12 which I don't :-p Mar 22 13:04:42 there is no hope for microkernel based OSs :-p Mar 22 13:04:43 no hope! Mar 22 13:04:46 also sometimes pressing power button for 15s might help Mar 22 13:05:09 DocScrutinizer: thank you doc! Mar 22 13:05:19 again, you save the day! Mar 22 13:05:26 duh :-D Mar 22 13:05:32 I tried it before! Mar 22 13:05:34 but now it worke. Mar 22 13:05:36 worked Mar 22 13:05:41 this non detriminism is killing me Mar 22 13:05:44 I can't stand it. Mar 22 13:06:03 * sivang cries for PR2.0 Mar 22 13:06:25 a semi-zombie OS can intercept hard shutdown via 15s powerbutton (sometimes) Mar 22 13:06:34 a completely frozen one can't Mar 22 13:06:46 DocScrutinizer: right, so I had to wait for it to froze completely Mar 22 13:07:03 DocScrutinizer: is that related to too quick context switching not allowing the power interrupt to pass? Mar 22 13:07:09 e..g the interception Mar 22 13:07:31 or too aggresive swaping? Mar 22 13:07:32 err, it's like kernel is resetting the watchdog that times the 15s Mar 22 13:07:36 in hw Mar 22 13:08:02 due to ? Mar 22 13:08:05 too many apps ? Mar 22 13:08:09 anyway it has to do this every time again you press & holdthe button Mar 22 13:08:12 requesting the damn thing for serviuces? Mar 22 13:08:35 this NEVER happend me with Maemo btw Mar 22 13:08:36 never Mar 22 13:08:53 and if an app strays, I can kil it like I do on on Ubuntu. #go linux! Mar 22 13:09:08 Is it possible to use the PC's sound input/output for N900 calls over USB networking? Mar 22 13:09:09 sure, maemo has like 3 watchdogs :-D Mar 22 13:09:23 one of them will trigger usually Mar 22 13:10:02 I love Maemo Mar 22 13:10:22 but if symbian3 was augmented with this, I'm sure it could be great as well. and it is. Mar 22 13:10:23 vldcnst: it should be possible. Have fun figuring how to convince PA to actually do it Mar 22 13:10:47 DocScrutinizer: PA needs to rute to BT and that's it? ;) Mar 22 13:10:54 indeed that sounds like something pulseaudio is designed to be able to do Mar 22 13:10:58 BT via USB? Mar 22 13:10:59 DocScrutinizer51: use the BT stuff? Mar 22 13:11:02 I want to say that again: Maemo, I LOVE YOU. Mar 22 13:11:04 -51 Mar 22 13:11:05 but good luck convincing it Mar 22 13:11:18 DocScrutinizer: oh, quick to reading. Mar 22 13:11:20 lol Mar 22 13:11:22 or too quick Mar 22 13:11:35 apparently the stock player reads metadata off tracker and sets it again in mafw Mar 22 13:11:51 thus... wasting even more resources Mar 22 13:12:14 then emits a metadata changed signal Mar 22 13:12:45 also, Joikuspot seems to crap S^3 while with MAemo it goes un-noticed Mar 22 13:12:47