**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 01 02:59:58 2011
Apr 01 03:03:14 <krayon> Does anyone know what data type the gconf /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes is?
Apr 01 03:06:10 <pupnik> shot in the dark eh krayon
Apr 01 03:06:55 <krayon> I um... kinda unset them and they don't seem to be coming back :S
Apr 01 03:07:16 <DocScrutinizer51> ghh
Apr 01 03:07:21 <krayon> I've only got one N900 here :/
Apr 01 03:07:22 <DocScrutinizer51> mompls
Apr 01 03:12:48 <pupnik> krayon: gimme something to paste
Apr 01 03:15:11 <krayon> pupnik: gconftool-2 -T /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes
Apr 01 03:15:50 <DocScrutinizer51> type string
Apr 01 03:16:10 <krayon> interesting
Apr 01 03:16:17 <krayon> thanks DocScrutinizer51 :)
Apr 01 03:16:58 <DocScrutinizer51>  $ gconftool -T /system/osso/connectivity/network_type/GPRS/gprs_home_rx_bytes
Apr 01 03:17:08 <DocScrutinizer51> string
Apr 01 03:28:34 <KrayoN900> Doesn't look like you can set it, gets reset as soon as you transfer more data :-(
Apr 01 03:34:57 <DocScrutinizer51> aiui gconf needs so called schemata
Apr 01 03:35:09 <Termana> good morning
Apr 01 03:35:13 <pupnik> moo
Apr 01 03:35:14 <DocScrutinizer51> moo
Apr 01 03:36:10 <DocScrutinizer51> dunno if a simple set of key to a value really creates the key once it got deleted
Apr 01 03:36:36 <DocScrutinizer51> I think you need to create the key
Apr 01 03:36:49 <DocScrutinizer51> not just set it to a value
Apr 01 03:48:52 <DocScrutinizer51> KrayoN900: what you need is a gconftool --dump /foo/bar  aiui, so you can --load it for that key
Apr 01 03:49:20 <DocScrutinizer51> mere handwaving though, as I never really touched gconf
Apr 01 04:25:16 <krayon> DocScrutinizer51: No it does autocreate.
Apr 01 04:25:49 <krayon> DocScrutinizer51: I was trying to set the value but it seems that the GPRS driver or something there holds the value as well, as pushes it out to gconf whenever it changes.
Apr 01 04:26:15 <krayon> So I guess there's no easy way to set the value unless I talk to whatever else is keeping track of the value.
Apr 01 04:28:05 <pupnik> god, N900 missing escape key breaks SO MUCH
Apr 01 04:28:37 <pupnik> remapping keys is a pain.  it's a real pain
Apr 01 04:33:18 <Termana> pupnik, what escape key? or are you saying you don't like that it doesn't have one?
Apr 01 04:34:08 <pupnik> the fact that the n900 is missing one creates a lot of problems
Apr 01 04:35:04 <pupnik> they thought 'we will write software that doesn't need it!'
Apr 01 04:35:33 <pupnik> well if they want to do that, then they can jolly well rewrite all the software on the planet
Apr 01 04:36:07 <pupnik> give me the telephone number of the genius who decided this
Apr 01 04:38:25 <pupnik> it's like making a car that can only turn left
Apr 01 04:38:35 <pupnik> "this will make driving simpler!  the user will be less confused!"
Apr 01 04:41:26 <pupnik> and when someone asks you "what about someone who wants to turn right?"
Apr 01 04:41:37 <pupnik> you answer "Simple!  Turn left three times!"
Apr 01 04:48:46 <Termana> rant finished?
Apr 01 04:48:48 <Termana> :p
Apr 01 04:48:53 <pupnik> ya
Apr 01 04:49:15 <Termana> What other mobile have you seen with an escape key?
Apr 01 04:49:39 <Termana> Not many I'm sure. I doubt you'll find many in future.
Apr 01 04:50:10 <pupnik> http://www.geekzone.co.nz/images/reviews/netbookpro/100_1583.JPG
Apr 01 04:50:17 <pupnik> nom nom
Apr 01 04:50:24 <Termana> lol :p
Apr 01 04:51:23 <pupnik> n810 had one :(
Apr 01 04:51:55 <pupnik> but you may well be right
Apr 01 04:52:00 <Termana> pupnik, no it didn't?
Apr 01 04:52:15 <pupnik> yeh, toggle buttons on screen bezel
Apr 01 04:52:22 <pupnik> lower one was esc
Apr 01 04:52:28 <pupnik> at least for me :D
Apr 01 04:52:29 <Termana> oh right
Apr 01 04:52:31 <Termana> :p
Apr 01 04:53:12 <krayon> They could 'ave made the camera button be esc on keyboard open, I'd have like'd that for vim
Apr 01 04:54:31 <pupnik> they got the N900 clickyness perfect though.  that's the best feel i've ever experienced on a portable
Apr 01 04:55:03 <pupnik> well, e71/e72 had it as well
Apr 01 04:59:16 <pupnik> i imagine Microsoft compilers have a 'clippy' that says 'did you mean to type "==" instead of "=" ?'
Apr 01 05:01:00 <slonopotamus> meh. fourth (!) n900 charger stopped charging, connector troubles
Apr 01 05:01:53 <pupnik> slonopotamus: my solution is an external charger
Apr 01 05:03:03 <slonopotamus> my solution would be another device if there was any competitive
Apr 01 05:05:21 <slonopotamus> hehe http://svalko.org/data/2011_03_31_10_48_graphjam_files_wordpress_com_2011_03_funny_graphs_ananas.png
Apr 01 06:41:20 <pupnik> what keymod is the blue function key in SDL?
Apr 01 06:46:38 <ds3> pupnik: sound works as expected
Apr 01 07:04:59 <pupnik> src] > grep SDLK_ESCAPE * |wc -l
Apr 01 07:04:59 <pupnik> 37
Apr 01 07:05:03 <pupnik> sigh
Apr 01 07:13:56 <mece> pupnik, so just replace it :P
Apr 01 07:43:25 <ruskie> http://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/01/app_of_the_week_wink_o_meter/ <-- rofl
Apr 01 08:10:30 <pupnik> is grep the most important programming tool ever?
Apr 01 08:15:50 <inz> pupnik, very likely
Apr 01 08:19:35 <chx> someone linked a mail from the orig author of gnu grep to reddit today
Apr 01 08:19:39 <chx> it was most interesting
Apr 01 08:19:52 <chx> http://lists.freebsd.org/pipermail/freebsd-current/2010-August/019310.html#
Apr 01 08:33:45 <borco> hi
Apr 01 08:34:00 <borco> X-Fade: hi
Apr 01 08:34:26 <krayon> chx: Thanks for the link, cool read :)
Apr 01 08:34:47 <borco> X-Fade: the buildsystem rejects my builds, but i get no emails about the failures.
Apr 01 08:35:06 <borco> X-Fade: can you please check why?
Apr 01 08:36:25 <borco> X-Fade: sure, but how can i check?
Apr 01 08:36:37 <borco> X-Fade: i get no message. that's the problem.
Apr 01 08:36:57 <ZogG> ruskie, hey
Apr 01 08:37:59 <X-Fade> borco: Which package?
Apr 01 08:38:42 <borco> X-Fade: simplexbmcremote. i can see the error now, as somebody on devel pointem me to the web archives
Apr 01 08:39:34 <borco> X-Fade: they also suggested you might be able to fix the problem that stops me from receiving those emails
Apr 01 08:40:56 <X-Fade> borco: Check your spam.
Apr 01 08:41:28 <borco> X-Fade: nothing there. my email contains a '+'. is this a problem?
Apr 01 08:41:40 <X-Fade> borco: should not.
Apr 01 08:41:53 <borco> X-Fade: i use iborco+maemo to allow filtering
Apr 01 08:42:05 <X-Fade> borco: Yeah, I can see your email. Looks fine.
Apr 01 08:44:09 <borco> X-Fade: nothing in trash, nothing in spam, no automatic rule for that yet. i was going to add it if i got too many emails, but i haven't had to yet...
Apr 01 08:45:29 <borco> X-Fade: can you please check if the email was really sent?
Apr 01 08:46:04 <borco> X-Fade: as a last solution i could subscribe to the list, but i would rather receive only messages relevant to my packages...
Apr 01 08:46:51 <pupnik> it's kind of nice to edit code and compile and not have syntax errors
Apr 01 08:47:04 <crashanddie> pupnik, good friend
Apr 01 08:47:11 <crashanddie> pupnik, it seems you are finally ready for cat | gcc
Apr 01 08:47:16 <crashanddie> No source files required anymore
Apr 01 08:50:15 <pupnik> is the N900 display some kind of IPS?
Apr 01 08:50:24 <pupnik> colors are very consistent across viewing angles
Apr 01 08:50:58 <X-Fade> borco: I don't see any mail going out to you.
Apr 01 08:51:32 <borco> X-Fade: me neither :) that's my problem :D
Apr 01 08:51:57 <borco> X-Fade: so what can i do to fix this?
Apr 01 08:54:33 <ZogG> X-Fade i heard you can give vhosts
Apr 01 08:54:51 <ZogG> i mean for irc like ZogG@blah.blah
Apr 01 08:56:08 <ruskie> ZogG, those are cloaks
Apr 01 08:56:10 <ruskie> not vhosts
Apr 01 08:56:49 <chx> pupnik: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=582728
Apr 01 08:56:53 <ZogG> cloaks are the place where from birds do poopoo
Apr 01 08:57:00 <ZogG> ruskie have you searched for me?
Apr 01 08:57:08 <ruskie> not really
Apr 01 08:57:40 <MohammadAG> alterego, is media-im-status-updater still working?
Apr 01 08:58:08 <ruskie> ZogG, https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Cloak
Apr 01 08:58:13 <alterego> MohammadAG: as well as it ever did afaik
Apr 01 08:58:25 <alterego> Do you mean with your player?
Apr 01 08:58:30 <MohammadAG> alterego, how do I check if it actually is?
Apr 01 08:58:35 <phap> hello all
Apr 01 08:58:37 <MohammadAG> does it matter? all other mafw apps work
Apr 01 08:58:42 <ruskie> ZogG, also: http://freenode.net/faq.shtml#cloaks
Apr 01 08:58:45 <alterego> Do you have any IM accounts configured on your device?
Apr 01 08:58:55 <MohammadAG> of course
Apr 01 08:59:16 <phap> anyone know a command to lauch applications in the background?
Apr 01 08:59:30 <pupnik> app-name&
Apr 01 08:59:38 <ZogG> ruskie, http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cloaca
Apr 01 09:00:24 <ruskie> ZogG, written differently ;)
Apr 01 09:00:55 <alterego> MohammadAG: well, select an account in the status updater ui to update and get someone to look at your status as you change track
Apr 01 09:01:11 <alterego> MSN Messenger takes about 5 seconds to refresh, so that's about 10 seconds after a track change.
Apr 01 09:01:14 <alterego> btw
Apr 01 09:01:19 <MohammadAG> alterego, shouldn't the status menu show that?
Apr 01 09:01:30 <MohammadAG> or dbus-monitor for that matter
Apr 01 09:02:13 <alterego> dbus-monitor will show the method calls my app makes to telepathy
Apr 01 09:02:23 <phap> pupnik, that's not what I meant. I'd like to open leafpad via the terminal but to stay in the terminal
Apr 01 09:02:34 <ruskie> ZogG, also it's plural is cloacae and not cloaks ;)
Apr 01 09:02:46 <ruskie> s/it's/its/
Apr 01 09:02:46 <infobot> ruskie meant: ZogG, also its plural is cloacae and not cloaks ;)
Apr 01 09:02:54 <ruskie> gah
Apr 01 09:02:59 <ruskie> to tired to argue nowv
Apr 01 09:03:17 <DocScrutinizer51> mooo
Apr 01 09:03:20 <MohammadAG> alterego, so dbus-monitor --session | grep -A Telepathy should actually return something right?
Apr 01 09:03:30 <MohammadAG> cause it isn't :)
Apr 01 09:03:33 <DocScrutinizer51> hammad
Apr 01 09:03:34 <ZogG> ruskie i'm not argueing man =)
Apr 01 09:03:38 <DocScrutinizer51> :)
Apr 01 09:03:43 <ZogG> ruskie, was just kidding
Apr 01 09:04:11 <pupnik> phap: so launch leafpad with & and find a way to bring window focus to terminal
Apr 01 09:04:26 <alterego> MohammadAG: probably not, I don't know what you're grepping for :P
Apr 01 09:04:42 <alterego> You could try grepping for the track name :D
Apr 01 09:04:42 <MohammadAG> alterego, telepathy's path, duh :P
Apr 01 09:04:55 <MohammadAG> if I change presence it does return hits
Apr 01 09:05:10 <alterego> Okay, then yes, it should work.
Apr 01 09:05:40 * ruskie is not in a jovial mood today
Apr 01 09:05:52 <ZogG> ruskie something happened?
Apr 01 09:06:19 <DocScrutinizer51> you guys have fun?
Apr 01 09:06:24 <MohammadAG> alterego, but doesn't, does the daemon output debug messages?
Apr 01 09:07:04 <ruskie> ZogG, the week happened... I've been tired the whole week
Apr 01 09:07:05 <alterego> MohammadAG: does if you run it from console.
Apr 01 09:07:17 <alterego> stop the service with upstart and run it manually ..
Apr 01 09:07:22 <ZogG> ruskie than you should be happy and rest
Apr 01 09:07:49 <ruskie> ZogG, hard to do with an 8h/day job
Apr 01 09:08:06 <DocScrutinizer51> alterego: app started with upstart?? duh!
Apr 01 09:08:40 <alterego> DocScrutinizer51: the mafw monitoring daemon is started by upstart yes.
Apr 01 09:08:47 <DocScrutinizer51> ooh
Apr 01 09:09:09 <DocScrutinizer51> mafw monitoring... sounds ultranifty
Apr 01 09:09:21 <alterego> MohammadAG: anyway, you can check that your status has changed in the availability dialog from systray menu
Apr 01 09:09:35 <MohammadAG> alterego, sec, it's erroring out
Apr 01 09:09:48 <alterego> MohammadAG: funsies :)
Apr 01 09:12:30 <MohammadAG> alterego,  http://pastebin.com/FmmSfmQE
Apr 01 09:14:01 <alterego> well that's a bit lame
Apr 01 09:17:29 <borco> X-Fade: i've subscribed to the extras-cauldron-builds. hopefully this solves the problem for the moment. if you have time, it would be great if i receive notifications without being subscribed to extras-cauldron-builds
Apr 01 09:17:30 <alterego> On a positive note, that's nothing to do with you :)
Apr 01 09:17:35 <borco> cheers.
Apr 01 09:17:47 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 01 09:18:59 <DocScrutinizer2> ~spank MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case
Apr 01 09:19:00 * infobot bends MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case over his knee and tatoos 'ibot' on MohammadAG nevertheless, just in case's pasty white buttocks.
Apr 01 09:19:24 <MohammadAG> o_O
Apr 01 09:20:25 <alterego> heh
Apr 01 09:22:23 <MohammadAG> alterego, any quick fixes? :P
Apr 01 09:24:21 <alterego> Nope, I have no idea why that's doing that :P
Apr 01 09:24:26 <alterego> And not really much time to check.
Apr 01 09:31:02 <phap> any clue for a command to switch desktops please?
Apr 01 09:32:50 <ruskie> switch desktops?
Apr 01 09:33:03 <ruskie> you mean taking your finger and swipping it left/right isn't working?
Apr 01 09:33:38 <phap> yes it does but I need a command to switch let's say to number 6 from number 2 without the widgets
Apr 01 09:34:09 <ruskie> what???
Apr 01 09:35:27 <MohammadAG> set the gconf value
Apr 01 09:35:53 <phap> how?
Apr 01 09:37:14 <MohammadAG> gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 1
Apr 01 09:39:54 <phap> I founds this before but it doesn't work...
Apr 01 09:43:24 <ruskie> what happens and what are you expecting to happen and when have you tried it?
Apr 01 09:43:54 <ruskie> if an app is running it won't really do much in terms of switching unless you minimize it
Apr 01 09:44:03 <MohammadAG> gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 6
Apr 01 09:44:12 <MohammadAG> it should work
Apr 01 09:44:18 <MohammadAG> not as root btw
Apr 01 09:46:08 <korhojoa> urgh. i was so confused when i saw loldongs in my current process list
Apr 01 09:46:28 <korhojoa> apparently, it was the autoconnect for the voip accounts
Apr 01 09:46:40 <pupnik> 1981:  Space Shuttle Columbia.   Ms-DOS 1.0
Apr 01 09:47:37 <phap> ok now it works I removed the -2
Apr 01 09:49:24 <phap> but still... if I type it from the terminal ok it switched desktop but then I don't want to be in terminal anymore but on  the desktop
Apr 01 09:50:30 <ruskie> would be nice if the virtual desktops would actually be actual desktops... not just convinent places to dump a set amount of widgets/shortcuts/etc...
Apr 01 09:52:45 <ruskie> http://mail.google.com/mail/help/motion.html <-- hehe
Apr 01 09:53:56 <MohammadAG> phap, I don't get what you're trying to do, but to go to the desktop after setting the value gconftool-2 -s /apps/osso/hildon-desktop/views/current -t int 1 && wmctrl -k on
Apr 01 09:54:25 <SpeedEvil>  It would be much better if it actually worked - flash can do cameras. :)
Apr 01 09:55:07 <MohammadAG> also, removing -2 doesn't make a difference, gconftool is a symlink to gconftool-2
Apr 01 09:57:09 <phap> yes!
Apr 01 09:57:18 <phap> it works now thanks a lot
Apr 01 09:59:07 <phap> what I try to do is to launch someplayer and to return to the desktop
Apr 01 09:59:42 <MohammadAG> then just use wmctrl -k on, no need to change the current desktop
Apr 01 10:01:21 <phap> actually no I don't need to change desktop but first I thought a command to switch desktop would bring me to the desktop the way wmctrl -k on does
Apr 01 10:04:44 <MohammadAG> method call sender=:1.28 -> dest=com.nokia.mediaplayer serial=761 path=/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer; interface=com.nokia.mediaplayer; member=open_mp_now_playing
Apr 01 10:05:09 <MohammadAG> can some DBus guru explain how the stock player picks that up even when it's not running?
Apr 01 10:05:32 <ruskie> MohammadAG, I thought it is actually running
Apr 01 10:05:35 <ruskie> pre-loaded
Apr 01 10:06:04 <MohammadAG> nope
Apr 01 10:06:13 <ruskie> and iirc the .desktop files have stuff as well so might be h-d that's picking them up and launching the relevant .desktop files
Apr 01 10:06:49 <ruskie> if they aren't already running
Apr 01 10:07:02 <MohammadAG> that's LaunchApplication
Apr 01 10:07:15 <MohammadAG> and that launches the player itself, not the now playing view
Apr 01 10:07:36 <ruskie> well it needs to start the player first then it can process the actual call
Apr 01 10:08:02 <sp3000> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/
Apr 01 10:08:51 <sp3000> presumably
Apr 01 10:09:50 <MohammadAG> sp3000, so anything that exists there will be launched first then the DBus method will be called?
Apr 01 10:11:16 <sp3000> that's my vague understanding, that those specify the service processes that would be launched to receive calls yeah
Apr 01 10:11:47 <pupnik> how does a browser take up 516MB?
Apr 01 10:12:00 <ruskie> pupnik, mem leaking like any other browser
Apr 01 10:12:21 <ruskie> /usr/share/dbus-1/services/com.nokia.mediaplayer.service specifies the exec and the name it listens for
Apr 01 10:12:34 <ruskie> so I'm guessing dbus will check that and the lanuch the relevant binary to send the actual message to
Apr 01 10:13:06 <sp3000> pupnik: how does the web take 516MB
Apr 01 10:13:11 <pupnik> ruskie: i'm not sure cheap RAM was a good thing for mankind
Apr 01 10:13:19 <sp3000> ;)
Apr 01 10:14:10 <ruskie> pupnik, who says it's cheap...
Apr 01 10:14:26 <MohammadAG> sp3000, is the call delayed till the app actually starts or do I have to listen to it early?
Apr 01 10:14:30 <ruskie> I can accept that one needs more ram now-a-days... but one shouldn't need inasne amounts that things require
Apr 01 10:14:57 <sp3000> MohammadAG: no idea what the ...um, early lifecycle deal is
Apr 01 10:15:37 <sp3000> I'd imagine there's something like, eventually the process makes itself known on the bus and then it receives something
Apr 01 10:15:45 <MohammadAG> sp3000, thanks, quick editing of .desktop and .service files launches my mediaplayer :)
Apr 01 10:16:10 <ruskie> might be that the message actually stays on the line until something grabs it or tells the bus that it's listening for it
Apr 01 10:23:56 <Juozapas> hi can u recomend some music player for n900? i hate that default player organize music only by id3 and it very difficult to find a song if id3 is set wrong/non correct
Apr 01 10:25:14 <ruskie> maybe MohammadAG open music player, xmms2, mplayer, canola(or whatever it is)... anything else in the multimedia section?
Apr 01 10:48:27 <phap> Juozapas, someplayer
Apr 01 10:51:34 <DocScrutinizer2> chem|st: ping
Apr 01 10:51:41 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: pong
Apr 01 10:52:03 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: you are irritating with all those alteregos!
Apr 01 10:52:09 <DocScrutinizer> you seen my comment about analog prox detector?
Apr 01 10:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
Apr 01 10:52:21 <chem|st> uhm no
Apr 01 10:52:30 <DocScrutinizer> scrollwheel on nick-dropdown
Apr 01 10:52:53 <DocScrutinizer> (a BAD concept ;-P)
Apr 01 10:53:36 <DocScrutinizer> prox:: use frontcam to detect size of spot and brightness of spot of prox flash, to get some real distance
Apr 01 10:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> dunno if cam is IR sensible, dunno if flash maybe is too short
Apr 01 10:55:46 <MohammadAG> phap, SomePlayer displays a random jpg as my album art
Apr 01 10:56:28 <DocScrutinizer> Juozapas: My complaint since ages
Apr 01 10:56:34 <phap> then you are really unlucky he displays mine all fine
Apr 01 10:56:52 <Corsac> MohammadAG: SomePlayer is your media player rewrite?
Apr 01 10:56:58 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: "scrollwheel on nick-dropdown"?
Apr 01 10:57:13 <DocScrutinizer> Juozapas: there's some extension (of a really hard to remember name) for stock mediaplayer, to open files instead of ID3
Apr 01 10:57:32 <MohammadAG> no
Apr 01 10:57:51 <phap> But I choose someplayer because I can display what I want on the desktop separatly when playing with somewidget
Apr 01 10:58:20 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: konversation has a dropdown field for nick. Accidentally pointing at it with mouse and turning scrollwheel causes this annoyance
Apr 01 10:58:37 <chem|st> hehe
Apr 01 10:58:50 * chem|st barely uses mice...
Apr 01 10:59:12 <MohammadAG> phap, didn't get that
Apr 01 10:59:21 <MohammadAG> there's a stock mediaplayer widget
Apr 01 11:00:00 <phap> By the way MohammadAG  there's still a problem with this command:   dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.set_extension_property string:volume variant:uint32:$((`dbus-send --print-reply --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.
Apr 01 11:00:01 <phap> extension.get_extension_property string:volume| tail -1 | awk '{print $3}'`-5))%%%\""
Apr 01 11:00:24 <MohammadAG> what's &&&\?
Apr 01 11:00:25 <phap> when volume is on 0 then it sets as max again if you run the command again
Apr 01 11:00:46 <MohammadAG> well, that would be sh
Apr 01 11:00:54 <MohammadAG> 0-5 = -5
Apr 01 11:01:02 <MohammadAG> I'm not surprised that is sets max on invalid
Apr 01 11:01:11 <phap> yes but the mediaplayer widget you can't put the album art on the right, the text on bottom and the command wherever you want
Apr 01 11:01:34 <phap> no forget the %%
Apr 01 11:03:25 <MohammadAG> that's just a widget, it can be connected to mafw easily
Apr 01 11:06:05 <phap> well maybe easily for you :-)
Apr 01 11:10:53 <DocScrutinizer51> Juozapas: check mussorgsky and mafw-grilo
Apr 01 11:11:42 <DocScrutinizer51> but yes, stock media player sucks
Apr 01 11:12:05 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer51: the angle of the proxi emitter around 60° I guess, so there is no way of using it as light source for a proximity-frontcam
Apr 01 11:13:30 <DocScrutinizer51> guess is a poor basis for deciding about a concept
Apr 01 11:15:18 <Dibblah> Oh great. Bought a faulty "repaired" N900. Plus side - Only £100. Minus - https://picasaweb.google.com/lh/photo/dkGAIOamKS64uGXEF3UY9PkqTB-A4THmsWBFyquq1aE?feat=directlink
Apr 01 11:15:22 <MohammadAG> meh, still can't figure out how to use DBus services
Apr 01 11:16:06 <chem|st> Dibblah: domesheet 17€
Apr 01 11:16:07 <Dibblah> They've removed the domesheet - Tearing it - And reinstalled it with what appears to be judicious application of a clothes iron.
Apr 01 11:16:22 <Dibblah> A very serious WTF moment.
Apr 01 11:16:33 <Dibblah> chem|st: Where?
Apr 01 11:16:43 <chem|st> for uk idk
Apr 01 11:16:58 <MohammadAG> 9 euros here http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900
Apr 01 11:17:00 <Dibblah> I see one here... http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/n900-qwerty-domesheet-assembly-2691v4
Apr 01 11:17:05 <Dibblah> Heh :)
Apr 01 11:17:09 <chem|st> uk seems to be NOT-EU for anything but geogrphical location
Apr 01 11:17:27 <MohammadAG> same site, I didn't know they had an english domain
Apr 01 11:17:49 <chem|st> ok or even only 9eur
Apr 01 11:17:53 <MohammadAG> only 1 in stock lol
Apr 01 11:18:21 <chem|st> 17.90 in a german shop...
Apr 01 11:22:24 <Dibblah> Heh. €11.90 :)
Apr 01 11:22:28 <Dibblah> Shipped.
Apr 01 11:23:20 <DocScrutinizer> 100GBP for a somewhat borked device seems no such great deal
Apr 01 11:24:31 <SpeedEvil> Lol.
Apr 01 11:24:32 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 01 11:24:34 <Dibblah> "Borked" is in the eye of the beholder.
Apr 01 11:24:47 <Dibblah> And that's lower than the going price.
Apr 01 11:25:04 <DocScrutinizer> also I would want to make sure the 'rest' of the device actually works, before starting any effort to correct the obvious problems
Apr 01 11:25:06 <chem|st> my device is fully usable and I would charge 160€ for it...
Apr 01 11:25:07 <Dibblah> Generally, even water damaged go for €80.
Apr 01 11:25:22 <Dibblah> It certainly seems OK.
Apr 01 11:25:24 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Apr 01 11:25:26 <chem|st> although it had some meeting with wheatbeer
Apr 01 11:25:45 <Dibblah> I have absolutely no idea what they were trying to do.
Apr 01 11:25:59 <Dibblah> The domesheet does nothing electrically, right?
Apr 01 11:26:06 <DocScrutinizer> odds are the FPC ribbon cable to screen broke when disassembling
Apr 01 11:26:19 <pupnik> daimonin with hq2x tileset, scaling in-game still has a bug... http://i.imgur.com/P5BH5.jpg
Apr 01 11:26:20 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: it conducts :-)
Apr 01 11:26:53 <Dibblah> I'm going to see if this flattens out with reheating.
Apr 01 11:27:10 <Dibblah> docScrutinizer: The screen connector appears fine.
Apr 01 11:27:23 <Dibblah> I'm not a puller :)
Apr 01 11:27:30 <DocScrutinizer> first check if the device boots and displays properly, and if frontcam etc works
Apr 01 11:27:36 <Dibblah> It does.
Apr 01 11:27:43 <DocScrutinizer> ok :-)
Apr 01 11:28:38 <SpeedEvil> And be _really_ careful with teh flex connectors.
Apr 01 11:30:02 <Dibblah> I'm going to try just ironing this sheet out.
Apr 01 11:32:07 <SpeedEvil> After removing it I hope. :)
Apr 01 11:32:41 <dangergrrl> http://sipgate.com/ has new voip numbers this morning; they just gave me one
Apr 01 11:36:53 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: HEY! :-D
Apr 01 11:38:26 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: a tip: (at least for sipgate.de) you are reachable via direct IP SIP under SIP:<your_full_telnumber_without_leading_+_or_00>@sipgate.net
Apr 01 11:39:02 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: for you I guess this number shall start with a 1 then
Apr 01 11:42:44 <Dibblah> After ironing, the keyboard works OKish.
Apr 01 11:42:58 <Dibblah> Bought the above dome mat anyway :)
Apr 01 11:43:14 <DocScrutinizer> better, for sure
Apr 01 11:44:31 <Dibblah> Well, it did go a little meltier. But no keysticks, etc.
Apr 01 11:44:45 <DocScrutinizer> you should see if you can get new screws there as well. service-manual requests using a new set of screws each time you reassemble the device. I heard of cases where a screw broke
Apr 01 11:45:17 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: I gather the domesheet has steel disk springs anyway, no?
Apr 01 11:45:18 <Dibblah> Yeah. Also, the "repair shop" managed to get the screws in the wrong places. I get the feeling this _may_ not be a pro repair.
Apr 01 11:45:24 <Dibblah> Yes, it does.
Apr 01 11:46:10 <DocScrutinizer> so as long as the disks are correctly located and oriented, the plastic shouldn't matter much
Apr 01 11:46:32 <MohammadAG> sp3000, ping
Apr 01 11:46:44 <sp3000> gnop
Apr 01 11:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~reverse sp3000
Apr 01 11:47:07 <infobot> 0003ps
Apr 01 11:47:26 <ruskie> *KLANG*
Apr 01 11:47:41 <sp3000> did you just walk into a bar
Apr 01 11:48:22 <MohammadAG> sp3000, any thoughts on http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=7WYNqBd2 ?
Apr 01 11:48:22 <ruskie> I wouldn't be surprised
Apr 01 11:48:42 <MohammadAG>    string "No such interface 'com.nokia.mediaplayer' at object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'"
Apr 01 11:49:12 <DocScrutinizer> *burp*
Apr 01 11:49:38 <sp3000> how about /com/nokia/mediaplayer
Apr 01 11:49:56 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: use tab autocompletion in mdbus2 -i
Apr 01 11:50:59 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, umm, I'm hijacking the stock player's DBus interface, not trying to access it
Apr 01 11:51:02 <ruskie> might need to do some switchboarding(take A/B/C translate to A/B/D | or run E) since so many things are just hardcoded...
Apr 01 11:51:12 <DocScrutinizer> NOTE: Mickey's DBus Utility requires well-behaved services,
Apr 01 11:51:14 <DocScrutinizer> i.e. those which implement the DBus introspection protocol.
Apr 01 11:51:15 <DocScrutinizer> mdbus2: DBus has never been that much fun!
Apr 01 11:51:17 <ruskie> like the browser-switchboard does
Apr 01 11:52:14 <MohammadAG> sp3000, nope, string "No such object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'"
Apr 01 11:53:13 <DocScrutinizer> please don't talk gibberish
Apr 01 11:54:22 <MohammadAG> I'm not, please understand what I'm doing
Apr 01 11:55:58 <DocScrutinizer> >>nope, string "foobar"<< is not any statement that can be understood by anybody - esp without leading context
Apr 01 11:56:35 <DocScrutinizer> I wouldn't try to read "No such interface 'com.nokia.mediaplayer' at object path '/com/nokia/osso/mediaplayer'" as a hex value. So what means string?
Apr 01 11:57:45 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, leading context would be some lines up
Apr 01 11:58:08 <an0therb0x> Can someone please help point me to the configuration file that controls inputs when I select Menu - > System - > Settings - > Profiles .... I am trying to find out why only the "Nokia Tune" ringtone is working
Apr 01 11:58:17 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-04-01 13:13:27] <MohammadAG> only 1 in stock lol  <--???
Apr 01 11:59:32 <DocScrutinizer> sp3000 quite right pointed at the surplus "/osso/ in the object path. Your answer makes no sense
Apr 01 12:02:47 <MohammadAG> :/
Apr 01 12:07:05 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: use mdbus2 -i and tab expansion, you'll find a lot of unexpected /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer  for com.nokia.mediaplayer
Apr 01 12:07:34 <DocScrutinizer> but nothing faintly looking like the combination you tried
Apr 01 12:07:41 <dangergrrl> DocScrutinizer: cool
Apr 01 12:08:02 <dangergrrl> i got a call to the 10000 test number working
Apr 01 12:08:24 <MohammadAG> you're obviously missing a huge point DocScrutinizer
Apr 01 12:08:42 <dangergrrl> didn't work till i rebooted the n900 but it could have been just it took a few minutes
Apr 01 12:09:12 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: how couldn't I miss all important points, on such an elaborate statement like >>string "fooo"<<
Apr 01 12:10:06 <MohammadAG> read like 100 lines up
Apr 01 12:10:19 <DocScrutinizer> suuuure
Apr 01 12:10:26 <MohammadAG> that's a standard DBus reply fyi
Apr 01 12:11:25 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I'm stopping this now, as you come over like pissed
Apr 01 12:11:43 <DocScrutinizer> sorry I tried to help
Apr 01 12:24:08 <Macer> haha
Apr 01 12:24:20 <Macer> maemo: tearing people apart
Apr 01 12:31:36 <GeneralAntilles> Comic Sans Pro
Apr 01 12:31:40 <GeneralAntilles> That's a nightmare.
Apr 01 12:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/112633/ <- about mediaplayer dbus interface
Apr 01 12:43:26 * ArkanoiD- finally removed mycontacts. fancy thing, but htop says it is main io hog most of the time and phone is noticeably slower with it
Apr 01 12:48:08 <DocScrutinizer> eeew
Apr 01 12:48:21 <DocScrutinizer> what's mycontacts?
Apr 01 12:48:36 <DocScrutinizer> some desktop widget?
Apr 01 12:48:38 <MohammadAG> closed source reimplemntation of the stock contacts
Apr 01 12:48:47 <MohammadAG> reimplementation*
Apr 01 12:48:55 <MohammadAG> by fcrochik (think I spelled that right)
Apr 01 12:49:17 <DocScrutinizer> closed source reimplementation? o.O
Apr 01 12:49:30 <mece> What DocScrutinizer said
Apr 01 12:50:04 <DocScrutinizer> not a foss reimpl of closed stock contacts?
Apr 01 12:52:53 <DocScrutinizer> ArkanoiD-: anyway :-D http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/unsorted/arkanoid-wav/
Apr 01 12:54:10 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, I too was surprised at that
Apr 01 12:54:18 <MohammadAG> <DocScrutinizer> http://paste.debian.net/112633/ <- about mediaplayer dbus interface
Apr 01 12:54:35 <MohammadAG> those are the ones mafw provides, anyway, I don't need to know what it provides, I need to provide them myself
Apr 01 12:55:05 <DocScrutinizer> ok, but for whom? If nobody knows about that new thing
Apr 01 12:55:50 <DocScrutinizer> isn't it more useful to replicate the existing interfaces, rather than create completely new ones?
Apr 01 12:55:58 <MohammadAG> that's what I want to do
Apr 01 12:56:43 <MohammadAG> well, trying to do
Apr 01 12:57:01 <DocScrutinizer> AIUI (with my fairly limited understanding of dbus) this pastebin gives a clue about existing interfaces (and methods if you continue to tab expand) of stock mediaplayer
Apr 01 12:57:38 <DocScrutinizer> mdbus2 using introspection to list all the exposed nterfaces
Apr 01 12:58:51 <DocScrutinizer> of course there *could* be one that's not exposed (i.e. does not support introspection), but seems the direct dbus-send calls to the interface you specified in that sourcecode failed as well
Apr 01 12:59:37 <DocScrutinizer> though dbus-send's error message about "data not correctly formated" or sth isn't really to the point
Apr 01 13:00:02 <DocScrutinizer> I verified it seems to always spit out that shit if interface name is unknown
Apr 01 13:00:13 <dangergrrl> sipgate.net is sip only?  it has no website
Apr 01 13:00:22 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 01 13:00:24 <dangergrrl> my sip # is via sipgate.com
Apr 01 13:00:49 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't matter, .de .at and prolly also .com all the same
Apr 01 13:01:20 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, no, those are mafw's
Apr 01 13:01:21 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, missed .co.uk
Apr 01 13:01:30 <dangergrrl> will sipgate give me a number in another country?
Apr 01 13:01:42 <MohammadAG> the stock player only provides a few, one to open URIs, and another to open the now playing window
Apr 01 13:01:50 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt. At least no geographical one
Apr 01 13:02:45 <DocScrutinizer> in .de you need to provide proper addr and further data which will get checked, to get a geo-#
Apr 01 13:02:58 <DocScrutinizer> some stupid law afaik
Apr 01 13:03:08 <MohammadAG> there's also something weird I can't figure out
Apr 01 13:03:14 <MohammadAG> how to detect if we're in the task manager
Apr 01 13:03:19 <MohammadAG> the stock player can do that
Apr 01 13:03:23 <DocScrutinizer> in uk it's been different for some time, then they changed laws and now are worse than .de
Apr 01 13:03:45 <MohammadAG> well, since PR1.2 anyway, PR1.1.1's player lacked it
Apr 01 13:04:24 <E0x> morning
Apr 01 13:04:28 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Apr 01 13:04:35 <dangergrrl> oh
Apr 01 13:04:52 <dangergrrl> and you have to be able to recieve a SMS in the country you want a number for
Apr 01 13:05:06 <DocScrutinizer> err, not afaik
Apr 01 13:05:27 <DocScrutinizer> how would I receive SMS without a mobile phone?
Apr 01 13:05:34 <dangergrrl> they insisted on sending a SMS to one of a list of us carriers
Apr 01 13:05:54 <dangergrrl> my last carrier before i got the n900 wasn't on their list
Apr 01 13:05:55 <DocScrutinizer> only if you want to *send* SMS via sipgate, with your mobile number as sender ID
Apr 01 13:05:56 <E0x> N0 that is a not funny april fool day joke
Apr 01 13:05:59 <E0x> :(
Apr 01 13:06:25 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: that can be different in US though
Apr 01 13:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> no idea what they do over there to verify you're actually a US resident. Maybe sending an SMS is the only way :-D
Apr 01 13:07:49 <DocScrutinizer> E0x: eh?
Apr 01 13:08:10 <dangergrrl> 3578: notifications@sipgate.com / Your invitation code PIN is #### / Your invitation code PIN is ####
Apr 01 13:08:19 <dangergrrl> they sent me that
Apr 01 13:08:45 <dangergrrl> so this morning in usa at least they require a cell phone
Apr 01 13:09:21 <DocScrutinizer> No idea what's an invitation code PIN
Apr 01 13:09:40 <DocScrutinizer> well, I registered with sipgate.de some 5 years ago
Apr 01 13:09:57 <DocScrutinizer> things might have changed a lot since
Apr 01 13:10:08 <E0x> DocScrutinizer: maemo.org front page
Apr 01 13:10:23 <dangergrrl> though they accept some prepay disposable ones
Apr 01 13:11:17 <ruskie> I thought quite a few countries already have a "prepay needs to be registered to a valid individual" type laws
Apr 01 13:11:17 <DocScrutinizer> OMFG, this thing again
Apr 01 13:11:38 <DocScrutinizer> E0x: I agree, that's not any funny
Apr 01 13:12:07 <ruskie> do not want nvida
Apr 01 13:12:55 * SpeedEvil thumbs.
Apr 01 13:13:19 <E0x> ruskie: +1
Apr 01 13:13:21 <DocScrutinizer> even really badly done, as the friggin picture gets cropped right side on a 1280*800 screen
Apr 01 13:14:06 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: that's because the virtual desktop is scrolling.
Apr 01 13:14:16 <E0x> hmm but i like that icons set they use in that render
Apr 01 13:14:24 <MohammadAG> I see, I need a xml file with all dbus interfaces http://wiki.forum.nokia.com/index.php/QtDbus_quick_tutorial
Apr 01 13:14:27 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: haha
Apr 01 13:15:22 <GAN900> Poor wazd
Apr 01 13:15:55 <GAN900> Is Firefox 4 for Maemo better than I remember?
Apr 01 13:16:04 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: what I do not like with sipgate is that I don't have a proper sip address to call me...
Apr 01 13:16:22 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: that is for .de only afaik
Apr 01 13:16:24 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: you do
Apr 01 13:16:36 <MohammadAG> GAN900, sorta
Apr 01 13:16:54 <DocScrutinizer> sip:<yournumber_without+>æsipgate.net
Apr 01 13:17:07 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: sip calls from outside "trusted" networks is not permitted
Apr 01 13:17:17 <DocScrutinizer> WFM
Apr 01 13:17:23 <DocScrutinizer> last time I tested
Apr 01 13:18:31 <DocScrutinizer> well, sure they may have set up a rather restrictive firewall to stop phone-spamming their customers
Apr 01 13:19:11 <chem|st> last time i checked was 4 years ago...
Apr 01 13:19:40 <DocScrutinizer> a direct call to this sip-addr from sipphone.com at least worked. Maybe that'S one of their partner networks
Apr 01 13:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> this been like last week
Apr 01 13:21:01 <DocScrutinizer> I checked via direct-IP2IP SIP (unregistered SIP UA, from a dyndns-domain) some 4..5 years ago, and that worked back when
Apr 01 13:22:31 <DocScrutinizer> now thinking about it I consider it a security issue, regarding unsolicited mass callings
Apr 01 13:23:22 <E0x> GAN900: very slow for use it everyday in my opinion
Apr 01 13:23:31 <DocScrutinizer> what I hate is MWI indication stopped working here
Apr 01 13:24:04 <DocScrutinizer> maybe I have to fix my config for that
Apr 01 13:30:34 <DocScrutinizer> btw regarding that N0 thing: judging by the kbd it must be near to original size on a laptop screen
Apr 01 13:32:03 <DocScrutinizer> or maybe they ship it with two metal fingerpick rings like you know for playing guitar
Apr 01 13:32:20 <DocScrutinizer> so you can press a single key
Apr 01 13:32:42 <chem|st> OT: does SIP calling w/o sipaccount work now?
Apr 01 13:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> sure, with the proper UA (i.e. twinklephone ;-D)
Apr 01 13:34:25 <DocScrutinizer> called direct IP2IP
Apr 01 13:35:06 <DocScrutinizer> the UA directly resolves the domain part of the address and sends the INVITE there instead to SIP server
Apr 01 13:35:41 <DocScrutinizer> that's basically all
Apr 01 13:36:24 <DocScrutinizer> so you can call me at SIP:joerg@<myDYNDNS> any time
Apr 01 13:37:01 <DocScrutinizer> obviously needs pinhole for port 5060 in your NAT & FW
Apr 01 13:37:17 <dangergrrl> is sip encrypted at all?
Apr 01 13:37:26 <DocScrutinizer> ZRTP is
Apr 01 13:37:45 <DocScrutinizer> visit twinklephone.com for some details
Apr 01 13:38:44 <DocScrutinizer> there's also a local proxy to crypt RTP to ZRTP for arbitrary UAs
Apr 01 13:39:08 <DocScrutinizer> but it's kinda clumsy to set up and handle, obviously
Apr 01 13:39:33 <DocScrutinizer> (missing integration into UA GUI)
Apr 01 13:40:08 <DocScrutinizer> anyway ZRTP is transparent and works with any SIP RTP connection
Apr 01 13:40:56 <DocScrutinizer> you start a norma unencrypted call, and ZRTP transparently negotiates encryption via RTP channel, if both sides support it
Apr 01 13:41:15 <DocScrutinizer> after a few seconds you can switch to crypted mode
Apr 01 13:42:13 <DocScrutinizer> via a gui that the 'daemon' has to open up
Apr 01 13:42:41 <DocScrutinizer> if ZRTP isn't integrated into UA like it's done in twinkle
Apr 01 13:44:09 <dangergrrl> so empathy/telepathy won't do that?
Apr 01 13:44:12 <DocScrutinizer> MitM attacks are spotted by you reading a fingerprint to your peer from that ZRTP popup display, far end compares for same fingerprint
Apr 01 13:44:33 <DocScrutinizer> afaik telepathy doesn't support ZRTP
Apr 01 13:44:58 <DocScrutinizer> but of course you can run TP thru that ZRTP local proxy
Apr 01 13:46:25 <ArkanoiD-> does not
Apr 01 13:47:07 <ArkanoiD-> zrtp has srtp signaling inband, so it is mostly gstreamer issue, as it happens inside rtp, not sip
Apr 01 13:47:57 <DocScrutinizer> good point
Apr 01 13:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> but only changes the subsystem you had to patch to bring native ZRTP to e.g N900
Apr 01 13:49:44 <chem|st> what does the cssu features button do in my powermenu?
Apr 01 13:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> and probably gstreamer also doesn't support ZRTP ootb
Apr 01 13:49:57 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Apr 01 13:51:17 <MohammadAG> grr, still getting http://pastebin.com/rWYQU9XA
Apr 01 13:51:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.twinklephone.com/  >>Secure voice communication by ZRTP/SRTP<< http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ZRTP http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Secure_Real-time_Transport_Protocol
Apr 01 13:58:51 <jacekowski> http://www.google.com/intl/en/jobs/uslocations/mountain-view/autocompleter/index.html
Apr 01 14:02:54 <DocScrutinizer> jobs/uslocations/mountain-view  meh!
Apr 01 14:03:58 <jacekowski> well, apparently you can do that job in some other obscure locations around the world
Apr 01 14:04:43 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not interested in coding googles autocompletion shit. Didn't know they had to finish it yet
Apr 01 14:05:03 <jacekowski> you're not funny person
Apr 01 14:05:18 <jacekowski> read responsibilities on that page
Apr 01 14:05:25 <DocScrutinizer> ugh
Apr 01 14:05:32 <jacekowski> As a Google Autocompleter, you’ll be expected to successfully guess a user’s intention as he or she starts typing instantly. In a fraction of a second, you’ll need to type in your prediction that will be added to the list of suggestions given by Google. Don’t worry, after a few million predictions you’ll grow the required reflexes.
Apr 01 14:06:18 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Apr 01 14:07:46 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, I never really got the concept of wasting my Apr-1 daytime with making others wasting theirs on some pranks
Apr 01 14:08:30 <DocScrutinizer> so yes, I'm not a funny person
Apr 01 14:14:59 <jigrap> anyone knows why the scrolling on the n900 is not as smooth as the iphone?
Apr 01 14:18:38 <Robot101> jigrap: quality of PowerVR SGX drivers
Apr 01 14:18:56 <Robot101> jigrap: they're much better than the normal ones that Imagination provide for Linux, but not as good as Apple's
Apr 01 14:19:15 <jacekowski> Robot101: BS
Apr 01 14:19:26 <jacekowski> powervr is a lot faster than iphone graphic chip
Apr 01 14:19:35 <jacekowski> it's bandwidth between omap and lcd
Apr 01 14:19:59 <Robot101> well, there is tearing caused just on the SGX
Apr 01 14:20:04 <Robot101> sometimes
Apr 01 14:20:12 <jacekowski> but powervr itself is like 2-3x faster than apple chip
Apr 01 14:20:15 <Robot101> the drivers don't have buffer flipping in the N900 release
Apr 01 14:20:29 <jacekowski> Robot101: it's LCD bandwidth problem
Apr 01 14:20:31 <Robot101> so updating any composited window always results in a memcpy
Apr 01 14:20:40 <Robot101> it's several problems - this is definitely one of them
Apr 01 14:21:05 <Robot101> I know because Collabora worked both on the 3D drivers and on hildon-desktop...
Apr 01 14:21:11 <jacekowski> and besides, powervr isn't used when you don't do 3d
Apr 01 14:21:18 <jacekowski> and he has problem on 2d
Apr 01 14:21:32 <Robot101> yes it is, the entire desktop is composited at all times unless the app is full-screen and explicitly disables composition
Apr 01 14:21:40 <Robot101> Gtk+ does some silly stuff which doesn't help either, but it depends on the app in this case
Apr 01 14:21:56 <Robot101> anyway, I don't care to argue with you about what is true or not, it's a waste of my life - take care!
Apr 01 14:22:04 <jacekowski> take a look at tvout
Apr 01 14:22:13 <jacekowski> everything is smooth there
Apr 01 14:29:27 <jigrap> Robot101: is there something I can do to improve it?
Apr 01 14:30:03 <jigrap> its mostly the scrolling
Apr 01 14:31:00 <jacekowski> nothing
Apr 01 14:31:14 <jacekowski> improve stuff so it requires less bandwidth
Apr 01 14:31:45 <jigrap> the browser scrolling and the mail client really lack, I just wondered if someone had a better driver for it thats not part of the release
Apr 01 14:32:07 <jacekowski> jigrap: use opera
Apr 01 14:32:11 <jacekowski> jigrap: it's much smoother
Apr 01 14:32:21 <jigrap> I'll give it a try
Apr 01 14:32:25 <jigrap> thx
Apr 01 14:32:34 <jacekowski> but scrolling problem there is because microb is just slow
Apr 01 14:32:48 <jacekowski> and modest isn't fastest mail client as well
Apr 01 14:33:11 <ruskie> probably slowest
Apr 01 14:33:32 <jigrap> ahh
Apr 01 14:33:46 <jigrap> you're right with opera its a lot smoother
Apr 01 14:33:53 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: chem|st: http://zfoneproject.com/prod_zfone.html
Apr 01 14:33:54 <jigrap> is there a faster mail client too?
Apr 01 14:34:11 <DocScrutinizer> lo Robot101
Apr 01 14:38:58 <jigrap> wonder if I can change the default browser to opera
Apr 01 14:39:59 <psycho_oreos> you probably could with the browser switchboard and then specifying the custom browser, the full path of opera binary
Apr 01 14:43:17 <ArGGu^^> Does someone know is it okay use the default ringtones with own application?
Apr 01 14:43:51 <ArGGu^^> or does that violate license or something+
Apr 01 14:43:52 <ArGGu^^> *?
Apr 01 14:44:03 <SpeedEvil> If you're just playing them, there can't be a problem.
Apr 01 14:44:22 <SpeedEvil> If you're copying them to another platform, expensive.
Apr 01 14:44:26 <ArGGu^^> SpeedEvil ok I using them as default alerts sound in my irc client
Apr 01 14:44:27 <SpeedEvil> err
Apr 01 14:44:30 <SpeedEvil> not allowed.
Apr 01 14:44:43 <SpeedEvil> but simply playing - there won't be a problem.
Apr 01 14:44:47 <ArGGu^^> it just plays them
Apr 01 14:46:08 <ArGGu^^> finally my IRC client is starting to be ready :)
Apr 01 14:46:24 <SpeedEvil> What does it do that xcaht doesn't.
Apr 01 14:46:31 * SpeedEvil is happy - mostly - with xchat.
Apr 01 14:46:40 <SpeedEvil> (lack of main window scroll is a bit annoying)
Apr 01 14:47:08 <ArGGu^^> But I'm in bit of hurry. I have deadline today :S
Apr 01 14:47:35 <ArGGu^^> SpeedEvil I will make website and video to youtube of it I will paste url when I get them done
Apr 01 14:48:20 <ArGGu^^> I have deadline for it beacause I use it as projectwork in my qt course
Apr 01 14:48:31 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 01 14:48:37 <SpeedEvil> Congrats anyway.
Apr 01 14:48:42 <SpeedEvil> More competition is always good.
Apr 01 14:50:54 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: (lack of main window scrolling) I mapped that to up/down and am happy with that
Apr 01 14:51:42 <DocScrutinizer> actually I prefer this to any ts-based scrolling
Apr 01 14:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> I basically swapped the shift-up/down which formerly been scroll, and the textinput history up/down
Apr 01 14:54:29 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not exactly sure it's already in there: http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/
Apr 01 15:01:22 <DocScrutinizer> now it is http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/xchat/keybindings.conf
Apr 01 15:03:16 <DocScrutinizer> just a way to speed up scrolling or even jump-to-end missing
Apr 01 15:03:42 <jigrap> any applets that show the battery percentage and time left on the n900?
Apr 01 15:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> changing the +/-1 parameter to sth higher didn't work
Apr 01 15:04:39 <jigrap> got one
Apr 01 15:04:40 <DocScrutinizer> jigrap: I think a lot. Though all of them are suspicious to be battery hogs themselves
Apr 01 15:04:47 <jigrap> oh
Apr 01 15:05:29 <DocScrutinizer> there's one though that for sure isn't: a queenbeecon button calling bq27200.sh
Apr 01 15:06:21 <DocScrutinizer> (of course you could as well call lshal|grep battery-percentage, but it's less accurate usually)
Apr 01 15:06:38 <MohammadAG> gotta love the time and effort people put in april fools jokes
Apr 01 15:07:04 <MohammadAG> Microsoft has ceased development of the Windows operating system and will be releasing its own Linux distribution, the company revealed in an SEC filing yesterday.
Apr 01 15:07:15 <DocScrutinizer> my april fools joke for today:
Apr 01 15:08:32 <MohammadAG> hmm, I wonder if that's a filter
Apr 01 15:08:36 <MohammadAG> my april fools joke for today:
Apr 01 15:09:06 <MohammadAG> heh, nvm
Apr 01 15:12:37 <E0x> n900 have NFC support ?
Apr 01 15:13:20 <DocScrutinizer> errr, no?
Apr 01 15:13:34 <Robot101> DocScrutinizer: yo
Apr 01 15:13:49 <DocScrutinizer> neither near field communication nor no friggin clue support
Apr 01 15:14:04 <E0x> heh
Apr 01 15:14:06 <E0x> ok
Apr 01 15:14:23 <ShadowJK> There's like /one/ nokia phone with Near Field Communication
Apr 01 15:14:25 <ShadowJK> a 6xxx something
Apr 01 15:15:20 <ArGGu^^> btw. Is 500 good scrollback line count?
Apr 01 15:16:21 <DocScrutinizer> depends
Apr 01 15:16:30 <ArGGu^^> the client does not yet have option to set it. But I'm going to add it sometime. But now I do not have time :S
Apr 01 15:16:31 <DocScrutinizer> for my shells I like to have 2000
Apr 01 15:16:50 <ArGGu^^> yeah but in irc?
Apr 01 15:16:55 <E0x> same here
Apr 01 15:16:58 <DocScrutinizer> prolly fine
Apr 01 15:17:20 <DocScrutinizer> we got chanlog
Apr 01 15:17:35 <MohammadAG> has NFC even taken off?
Apr 01 15:17:39 <Macer> so.. is there a way to run maemo on my g2?
Apr 01 15:17:41 <DocScrutinizer> not here
Apr 01 15:17:46 * Macer hides
Apr 01 15:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> heard in Japan it did
Apr 01 15:18:10 <ArGGu^^> NFC?
Apr 01 15:18:13 * ShadowJK has 4096
Apr 01 15:18:27 <DocScrutinizer> ~nfc
Apr 01 15:18:27 <infobot> i heard nfc is No Fucking Clue
Apr 01 15:18:34 <Macer> wtf is nfc?
Apr 01 15:18:35 <DocScrutinizer> ~wtf nfc
Apr 01 15:18:37 <infobot> NFC: no fucking clue
Apr 01 15:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> grrr
Apr 01 15:18:48 <DocScrutinizer> near field communication
Apr 01 15:18:52 <Macer> like... uhf radio?
Apr 01 15:18:54 <ArGGu^^> ok
Apr 01 15:18:57 <DocScrutinizer> kinda
Apr 01 15:19:15 <Macer> so it is a walkie talkie built into your phone
Apr 01 15:19:15 <E0x> https://secure.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/wiki/Near_field_communication
Apr 01 15:19:16 <DocScrutinizer> usually lower freq
Apr 01 15:19:28 <DocScrutinizer> like 14Mhz, or even kHz range
Apr 01 15:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: more like a invisible barcode
Apr 01 15:20:18 <DocScrutinizer> readout range from 5cm to max 2m
Apr 01 15:20:56 <Macer> isnt 14mhz hf?
Apr 01 15:21:01 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 01 15:21:06 <DocScrutinizer> MHz is
Apr 01 15:21:10 <DocScrutinizer> mHz not
Apr 01 15:21:17 <Macer> at least you can get some bounce
Apr 01 15:21:25 <Macer> i meant MHz
Apr 01 15:21:33 <Macer> didnt feel like caps
Apr 01 15:21:38 <DocScrutinizer> but not U*HF
Apr 01 15:21:48 <Macer> of course
Apr 01 15:21:56 <Macer> hf is probably better anyways
Apr 01 15:22:06 <Macer> but i am sure it sounds like shit
Apr 01 15:22:29 <DocScrutinizer> RF
Apr 01 15:22:35 <Macer> hf will atmo bounce
Apr 01 15:22:58 <Macer> might have a better chance of making it out alive from the side of a mountain ditch
Apr 01 15:23:25 <DocScrutinizer> NFC is for tickets, ID cards etc
Apr 01 15:23:33 <Macer> oh
Apr 01 15:23:48 <DocScrutinizer> like barcode, but without light
Apr 01 15:23:54 <Macer> so it is just an e-me?
Apr 01 15:24:05 <Macer> i thought it was a radio xmitter
Apr 01 15:24:08 <Macer> heh
Apr 01 15:24:27 <SpeedEvil> It is.
Apr 01 15:24:30 <Macer> so it is just bt with your information floating around on it
Apr 01 15:24:33 <SpeedEvil> But very, very short range.
Apr 01 15:24:37 <DocScrutinizer> but *very* weak
Apr 01 15:24:37 <SpeedEvil> as in under 30cm
Apr 01 15:24:46 <Macer> that is lame haha
Apr 01 15:24:54 <SpeedEvil> It's really not.
Apr 01 15:24:58 <DocScrutinizer> that's intentional
Apr 01 15:25:06 <SpeedEvil> Consider being able to pay for stuff by waving your phone at it.
Apr 01 15:25:09 <Macer> maybe if it was a card
Apr 01 15:25:16 <Macer> with an off switch
Apr 01 15:25:18 <DocScrutinizer> it usually is
Apr 01 15:25:33 <Macer> i wouldnt want that shit on my phone tho
Apr 01 15:25:37 <SpeedEvil> Done right, it's a bit pointless TBH on a smartphone.
Apr 01 15:25:42 <SpeedEvil> As it can display a QR code.
Apr 01 15:25:44 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 01 15:25:45 <Macer> people lose phones a lot easier than a wallet
Apr 01 15:25:57 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 01 15:26:16 <MohammadAG> wtf is with the N900
Apr 01 15:26:25 <MohammadAG> it went to 6:20 AM of 2 April
Apr 01 15:26:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, a phone has added benefit of a kbd to enter passphrase etc
Apr 01 15:26:40 <DocScrutinizer> hahahahaha
Apr 01 15:27:01 <DocScrutinizer> that's maemo's april's fool
Apr 01 15:28:27 <Macer> hah
Apr 01 15:28:55 <Macer> my n900 is on top of my fridge beginning its dust collecting
Apr 01 15:29:13 <SpeedEvil> ?
Apr 01 15:29:25 <Macer> got a g2
Apr 01 15:29:32 <DocScrutinizer> the poor dust
Apr 01 15:29:46 <SpeedEvil> Macer: Ah.
Apr 01 15:29:57 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Apr 01 15:30:03 <Macer> figured getting a g2 would take 5 less years than waiting on meego or nitdroid to be fully functional on the n900
Apr 01 15:30:27 <SpeedEvil> Macer: Going to be ebaying the n900?
Apr 01 15:30:27 <GAN900> Hey, we might get an N950 sometime this year!
Apr 01 15:30:36 <DocScrutinizer> well, if you want andridiot then why you bought a N900?
Apr 01 15:30:51 <Macer> because i wanted maemo
Apr 01 15:30:56 <Macer> poor ruined maemo
Apr 01 15:31:24 <ShadowJK> maemo works better on n900 than g2 :P
Apr 01 15:31:27 <Macer> well.. the existing maemo still has some life.. but it is the end of maemo i am sure
Apr 01 15:31:33 <MohammadAG> GAN900, did they actually say 2011?
Apr 01 15:31:34 <Macer> haha
Apr 01 15:31:54 <Macer> ShadowJK: sorry.. i wanted a supported maemo
Apr 01 15:32:07 <Macer> poor abandoned orphan maemo
Apr 01 15:32:13 <DocScrutinizer> I couldn't care less about N950foo
Apr 01 15:32:24 <MohammadAG> I could
Apr 01 15:32:50 <GAN900> MohammadAG, "later this year" is what I keep hearing.
Apr 01 15:32:54 <DocScrutinizer> ok, let's bet on type of touchscreen
Apr 01 15:33:02 <MohammadAG> I'll start a project which is similar to Mer, but backwards
Apr 01 15:33:05 <GAN900> If it's not 2011, well, they might as well not bother.
Apr 01 15:33:07 <Macer> they are releasing an n950?
Apr 01 15:33:12 <MohammadAG> as much of Fremantle as we can get on the N950!
Apr 01 15:33:19 <MohammadAG> oh wait *remembers cordia*
Apr 01 15:33:22 <MohammadAG> Macer, yes
Apr 01 15:33:42 <Macer> i will wait until they abandon it and buy one for $50 later
Apr 01 15:34:11 <Macer> i stuck with them with the n8x0 and n900 but they lost me with the n900
Apr 01 15:34:22 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: sounds like a plan - get rid of all that presumed maego/harmattan crap
Apr 01 15:34:25 <Macer> they need to fire the entire nokia board
Apr 01 15:35:36 <Macer> in a way i feel kind of sorry for sts.. he is a good guy and works so hard on something i honestly dont think will see the light of day
Apr 01 15:35:42 <MohammadAG> and  hire me? :P
Apr 01 15:36:05 <DocScrutinizer> ooh you're not yet?
Apr 01 15:36:17 <Macer> i mean.. it would be awesome if it all worked out.... but... :)
Apr 01 15:37:05 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, capacitive for sure.
Apr 01 15:37:49 <DocScrutinizer> it's an uphill battle, against blobs like bme and dialer, crap like sensorfw and now even qtmob actively sabotaging a proper power management
Apr 01 15:37:51 <MohammadAG> indeed, who wants resistive, it's accurate and can be used with precise styli
Apr 01 15:38:23 <SpeedEvil> I want memristive display.
Apr 01 15:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> .o0(???)
Apr 01 15:39:17 <Macer> DocScrutinizer:  that it is
Apr 01 15:39:34 <Macer> i think he should have just backported to maemo
Apr 01 15:39:39 <DocScrutinizer> I don't want much nifty stuff, a simple nice stantum r-ts is all it needs to make me happy
Apr 01 15:39:43 <Macer> really all maemo needs is an updated ui
Apr 01 15:40:06 <nid0> and loads of other things
Apr 01 15:40:11 <Macer> i mean i am sure other things could use some work
Apr 01 15:40:30 <Macer> but outright abandonment sucks
Apr 01 15:40:51 <Macer> but meego is in the hands of the industrys top businesses
Apr 01 15:41:16 <DocScrutinizer> Macer: keep your finger off my beloved hildon UI!
Apr 01 15:41:25 <Macer> DocScrutinizer: hah
Apr 01 15:42:11 <DocScrutinizer> grab you g2, pet it and shutup ;-D
Apr 01 15:42:43 <Macer> haha.. dont need to... it pets me
Apr 01 15:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> wooooooh
Apr 01 15:43:15 <DocScrutinizer> does your GF know of that?
Apr 01 15:43:19 <Macer> say what you want about android... it works
Apr 01 15:43:33 <Macer> all it needs is a gnu env
Apr 01 15:43:40 <Macer> with bash and apt
Apr 01 15:43:47 <Macer> :)
Apr 01 15:43:57 <DocScrutinizer> and a kernel that doesn't suck donkey balls
Apr 01 15:44:12 <Macer> haha
Apr 01 15:44:20 <Macer> it lets the hw work
Apr 01 15:44:30 <Macer> what more do you need on a phone?
Apr 01 15:44:32 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, but only the hw
Apr 01 15:44:49 <DocScrutinizer> sw evidently doesn't work when focus lost
Apr 01 15:45:03 <Macer> you want to route on it or something?
Apr 01 15:45:11 <MohammadAG> I'd appreciate an open bootloader device without an OS from Nokia
Apr 01 15:45:14 <Macer> or add  in mwave support
Apr 01 15:45:49 <GAN900> Macer, no, no it doesn't.
Apr 01 15:46:01 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: with a proper BSP yes, exactly what I've hoped Nokia would do with meego
Apr 01 15:46:04 <Macer> i dont understand what other kernel features you are looking for on a phone :)
Apr 01 15:46:05 <GAN900> Android is painful and frustrating in ways Maemo can only aspire to.
Apr 01 15:46:37 <Macer> GAN900: ive heard.. but you can get the dalvik ide for free heh
Apr 01 15:46:48 <Macer> i just wish it had a gnu env
Apr 01 15:47:02 <Macer> like the n900
Apr 01 15:47:16 <GAN900> I want Maemo, with more support and less fail.
Apr 01 15:47:21 <GAN900> That would be perfect for me.
Apr 01 15:47:30 <Macer> me too but that isnt realistic
Apr 01 15:47:36 <GAN900> Android and iOS aren't reasonable substitutes.
Apr 01 15:47:39 <Macer> android is here to stay
Apr 01 15:47:47 <Macer> maemo is not
Apr 01 15:47:57 <Macer> nokias fault for sure
Apr 01 15:48:07 <DocScrutinizer> but unlike other manufacturers of small computer boards, nokia seems never heard about such things like board support package
Apr 01 15:48:26 <MohammadAG> <Macer> android is here to stay <-- good luck with that
Apr 01 15:48:27 <Macer> chickens with their heads cut off
Apr 01 15:48:41 <Macer> MohammadAG: hahaha
Apr 01 15:48:53 <DocScrutinizer> instead they thought they need to sell software now, rather than hardware. This killed them
Apr 01 15:48:56 <Macer> compare android phone sales vs all maemo devices
Apr 01 15:49:30 <Macer> i bet even the g1 alone outsold all maemo devices
Apr 01 15:49:51 <Macer> good marketing and cosistent google support
Apr 01 15:49:58 <MohammadAG> sure, android pwned maemo
Apr 01 15:50:08 <Macer> things nokia lacked while sitting on their mountain
Apr 01 15:50:13 <MohammadAG> but the media and marketing can do whatever it wants to a certain thing
Apr 01 15:50:26 <MohammadAG> Android 3.0 being closed source might actually reduce sails
Apr 01 15:50:36 <Macer> and the media and marketing love android
Apr 01 15:50:41 <Macer> doubtful
Apr 01 15:50:42 <MohammadAG> I'm not saying Maemo's any better btw
Apr 01 15:50:53 <crashanddie> might reduce sails?
Apr 01 15:50:57 <DocScrutinizer> bye peeps
Apr 01 15:51:07 <MohammadAG> sales*
Apr 01 15:51:09 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, nazi
Apr 01 15:51:11 <Macer> heh
Apr 01 15:51:27 <Macer> ios is closed
Apr 01 15:51:34 <Macer> it seems to do pretty well
Apr 01 15:51:41 <MohammadAG> marketing
Apr 01 15:51:53 <Macer> you dont think google can market?
Apr 01 15:52:16 <psycho_oreos> windows phone 7 isn't open either and they aren't doing too well
Apr 01 15:52:19 <nid0> google have been marketing android as open for several years
Apr 01 15:52:35 <Macer> psycho_oreos: better than maemo still im sure
Apr 01 15:52:40 <nid0> suddenly losing the one major marketing hype factor android has over ios = makes marketing that point akward
Apr 01 15:52:45 <nid0> not that itll stop them
Apr 01 15:53:21 <psycho_oreos> Macer, or are you here to troll for your hatred towards maemo community like the rest of those who went to android realm?
Apr 01 15:53:30 <Macer> nid0: joe user could care less about their phone os being open
Apr 01 15:53:42 <Macer> lol. nooooo.
Apr 01 15:53:51 <nid0> Macer: no, but joe user does like to *think* it's open.
Apr 01 15:54:10 <Macer> i love maemo.. and of course am angry at such horrible nokia decisions
Apr 01 15:54:22 <GAN900> Macer, yes, but iOS doesn't tell you it's something it's not going in.
Apr 01 15:54:37 <Macer> especially after paying money for maemo devices to see them abandoned over and over
Apr 01 15:55:19 <Macer> nid0: only if their friend shows them a super awesome app that requires hackery
Apr 01 15:55:57 <Macer> other than that.. they discuss how they are downloading awesome ringtones for free from some website
Apr 01 15:56:46 <Macer> who knows tho. maybe nokidiot  inc will wide open the n900 once it is totally obsolete
Apr 01 15:58:04 <Macer> and eliminate roadblocks in dev and then they will see a 6 year old phone doing things they never imagined when they had a chance to do it before they went bankrupt or were bought by htc
Apr 01 15:59:55 <E0x> Macer: that will never happen
Apr 01 15:59:56 <Macer> anyways.... heh
Apr 01 16:03:19 <nid0> god I hate yahoo. :<
Apr 01 16:03:26 <nid0> and BT for using yahoo.
Apr 01 16:08:48 <edheldil> Hi, guys, does n900 still lack SimToolkit?
Apr 01 16:09:10 <ShadowJK> yes
Apr 01 16:14:02 <edheldil> is there any known reason? Even palm treo has it :(
Apr 01 16:14:51 <SpeedEvil> EveIt wasn't in the specs.
Apr 01 16:15:18 <SpeedEvil> And STK doesn't in many ways work well with the fundamental assumptions.
Apr 01 16:15:44 <SpeedEvil> For example, STK applications should be able to demand low level access to the display and keyboard.
Apr 01 16:16:07 <SpeedEvil> This means odd things on a smartphone, when it's assuming it's a dumbphone.
Apr 01 16:16:36 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - it can only be fixed at the modem firmware level.
Apr 01 16:16:48 <SpeedEvil> So it's not possible for 'us' to fix.
Apr 01 16:20:27 <edheldil> That sounds pretty bad :(
Apr 01 16:21:18 <SpeedEvil> Well - all it means is that you're vanishingly unlikely to get STK stuff working.
Apr 01 16:22:36 <GAN900> New Yorkers . . . living there must be hell on Earth.
Apr 01 16:22:43 <MohammadAG> ZogG, did you feel an earthquake 2 hours ago?
Apr 01 16:22:46 <MohammadAG> cause I didn't
Apr 01 16:22:57 <ZogG> MohammadAG i was sleeping
Apr 01 16:34:07 <SpeedEvil> http://xkcd.com/
Apr 01 16:35:07 <trip0> SpeedEvil, that is quite awesome
Apr 01 16:35:31 <SpeedEvil> Is it just two graphics overlaid, moved WRT each otehr?
Apr 01 16:35:42 <SpeedEvil> I should investigate - but meh.
Apr 01 16:43:01 <DocScrutinizer51> killer on microb
Apr 01 16:53:47 <MohammadAG> SpeedEvil, click the See here for more at the top and you'll see what they are
Apr 01 17:03:33 <o0-Dan-0o> good afternoon
Apr 01 17:05:40 <o0-Dan-0o> is there any bug or incompability with wpa2 (psk)
Apr 01 17:05:43 <o0-Dan-0o> ?
Apr 01 17:05:52 <ShadowJK> I'm using wpa2 just fine
Apr 01 17:06:05 <o0-Dan-0o> n900 seems not to be finding my AP
Apr 01 17:06:14 <o0-Dan-0o> wrt54g
Apr 01 17:06:18 <ShadowJK> What channel is it on?
Apr 01 17:07:05 <o0-Dan-0o> have to check that settings done way back
Apr 01 17:07:08 <o0-Dan-0o> XD
Apr 01 17:07:26 <Sazpaimon> so like, this is the second day this week my alarm failed to ring
Apr 01 17:07:32 <o0-Dan-0o> is it a radio freq. problem?!
Apr 01 17:07:53 <Sazpaimon> i set 3 alarms last night, one for 6:45, one for 7:20, and one for 8:30
Apr 01 17:08:10 <Sazpaimon> i wake up myself at 7:30, and the phone didn't ring at all
Apr 01 17:08:25 <Sazpaimon> i unlock it, and it shows the 6:45 alarm and THEN starts ringing
Apr 01 17:08:34 <Sazpaimon> what the hell
Apr 01 17:08:59 <o0-Dan-0o> channel 13
Apr 01 17:09:18 <ShadowJK> Do you have a sim card?
Apr 01 17:10:05 <o0-Dan-0o> i remember now i've changed it a few years ago one of my pc's was acting crazy
Apr 01 17:10:33 <ShadowJK> Without a sim card with country code of a country wehre channel 13 is permitted wouldn't work
Apr 01 17:10:41 <MohammadAG> achipa, I need to include some upstream Qt fixes in the CSSU, question is, should I include Qt 4.7.2?
Apr 01 17:10:47 <o0-Dan-0o> wow
Apr 01 17:11:00 <o0-Dan-0o> ShadowJK,
Apr 01 17:11:08 <o0-Dan-0o> :D
Apr 01 17:11:16 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah not using sim
Apr 01 17:11:27 <o0-Dan-0o> got the phone yesterday
Apr 01 17:11:28 <ShadowJK> Atleast that's what I've discovered :P
Apr 01 17:11:35 <ShadowJK> with my spare N900
Apr 01 17:11:41 <o0-Dan-0o> just setting and trying stuff
Apr 01 17:11:56 <o0-Dan-0o> =) thanks
Apr 01 17:11:59 * ShadowJK has a WRT54GL
Apr 01 17:12:01 <ShadowJK> too
Apr 01 17:12:45 <nid0> just bumping the ap down to channel 11 should take care of that
Apr 01 17:13:19 <DocScrutinizer> duh
Apr 01 17:13:53 <DocScrutinizer> o0-Dan-0o: check out notmynokia prior to inserting any SIM
Apr 01 17:15:02 <DocScrutinizer> ShadowJK: and I thought the allowed wifi freq were set in CAL
Apr 01 17:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> gonne check eventually
Apr 01 17:15:43 <ShadowJK> Yeah no idea about that, but my spare, repair/refurb N900, that to my knowledge has never seen a SIM card, doesn't see my channel 13 AP
Apr 01 17:16:03 <ShadowJK> Also my N900 that didn't go via Nokia Care didn't see 13AP until I inserted Sim card :P
Apr 01 17:16:07 <o0-Dan-0o> ermmm i was about to put the sim
Apr 01 17:16:11 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: You got a serial adaptor for the n900 diddn't you?
Apr 01 17:16:11 <DocScrutinizer> less -f /dev/mtd2
Apr 01 17:16:21 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Can you flash - the main OS through it?
Apr 01 17:16:26 <o0-Dan-0o> notmynokia?
Apr 01 17:16:28 <jacekowski> serial adaptor?
Apr 01 17:16:35 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: Or am I confused.
Apr 01 17:16:45 <jacekowski> no
Apr 01 17:16:51 <jacekowski> i have flashing jig
Apr 01 17:17:00 <jacekowski> but just that without anything else
Apr 01 17:17:04 <SpeedEvil> Oh.
Apr 01 17:17:10 <Sc0rpius> http://www.allaboutsymbian.com/news/item/12741_Noka_publish_Symbian_source_co.php
Apr 01 17:17:14 <Sc0rpius> is that an April's Fool joke?
Apr 01 17:17:17 <jacekowski> Sc0rpius: no
Apr 01 17:17:20 <ShadowJK> I think it's old
Apr 01 17:17:21 <DocScrutinizer> err mtd1
Apr 01 17:17:21 <jacekowski> Sc0rpius: that's very old news
Apr 01 17:17:26 <jacekowski> Sc0rpius: like 2-3 years old
Apr 01 17:17:26 <Sc0rpius> why don't they do it with Maemo?
Apr 01 17:17:35 <Sc0rpius> haha it says March 31st, 2011.
Apr 01 17:17:46 <ShadowJK> Sc0rpius, actually for Symbian too they rewrote the lot before publishing it
Apr 01 17:17:56 <ShadowJK> kinda like MeeGo I guess
Apr 01 17:18:03 <ShadowJK> And you don't get any hw specific bits, I'm sure
Apr 01 17:18:11 <Sc0rpius> I guess...
Apr 01 17:18:33 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: and well, i believe it can be flashed that way
Apr 01 17:18:45 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: i mean, it's standard omap thing to boot from serial
Apr 01 17:19:00 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: but that jig i have is useless without base flasher for it
Apr 01 17:19:05 <SpeedEvil> jacekowski: But you'd need additional software to actually do it.
Apr 01 17:19:12 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: not so much
Apr 01 17:19:20 <Macer> blah
Apr 01 17:19:25 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: serial boot is in omap boot rom
Apr 01 17:19:29 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: same thing as beagleboard
Apr 01 17:19:34 <SpeedEvil> I mean - additional PC software
Apr 01 17:19:34 <jacekowski> SpeedEvil: you just need hyper terminal
Apr 01 17:19:55 <SpeedEvil> It's not going to take the maemo images over xmodem.
Apr 01 17:20:10 <jacekowski> no
Apr 01 17:20:17 <jacekowski> there is size limit for boot rom
Apr 01 17:20:22 <jacekowski> iirc it's coule kbytes
Apr 01 17:20:30 <jacekowski> and it's not flashing it it's just booting it
Apr 01 17:20:41 <jacekowski> same stuff as coldflash over usb
Apr 01 17:20:55 <SpeedEvil> yeah.
Apr 01 17:20:57 <jacekowski> you boot phone via usb/serial with flashing firmware and then send image to flash
Apr 01 17:21:15 <jacekowski> but hardware is fully capable of that
Apr 01 17:21:26 <SpeedEvil> I meant you're going to need custom software if you want to actually flash over serial.
Apr 01 17:21:35 <jacekowski> yeah, nolo can't do it
Apr 01 17:21:44 <jacekowski> nolo is usb only i believe
Apr 01 17:22:34 <o0-Dan-0o> so ovimaps will generate data transfering which is not cool =/ i've red about sygic
Apr 01 17:22:48 <o0-Dan-0o> anybody tryed ?
Apr 01 17:24:58 <jacekowski> o0-Dan-0o: you can download maps for offline use in ovi maps
Apr 01 17:25:06 <jacekowski> o0-Dan-0o: and sygic is poor
Apr 01 17:25:09 <jacekowski> o0-Dan-0o: nowhere close to tomtom
Apr 01 17:27:02 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah but no tomtom on maemo right
Apr 01 17:27:18 <o0-Dan-0o> i used ndrive which i really enjoy
Apr 01 17:27:38 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: uBoot might work
Apr 01 17:27:39 <o0-Dan-0o> also not available on maemo
Apr 01 17:28:04 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Sure - but it won't be able to 'normally' flash images.
Apr 01 17:28:11 <SpeedEvil> the fiasco ones
Apr 01 17:28:13 <o0-Dan-0o> jacekowski, so what you're saying is ovimaps ftw
Apr 01 17:28:17 <o0-Dan-0o> on maemo
Apr 01 17:28:21 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah?
Apr 01 17:28:37 <jacekowski> no
Apr 01 17:28:44 <jacekowski> i'm saying ovimaps suck the least
Apr 01 17:28:54 <o0-Dan-0o> lolol
Apr 01 17:28:59 <o0-Dan-0o> :s
Apr 01 17:29:13 <jacekowski> DocScrutinizer: no support for onenand on n900 and uboot i believe
Apr 01 17:29:16 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: I gather you gave up on fixing the usb receptacle?
Apr 01 17:29:22 <jacekowski> don't know why
Apr 01 17:29:30 <jacekowski> but apparently it doesn't work
Apr 01 17:29:50 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Dibblah's phone actually. not given up, just it's not seeing vbus.
Apr 01 17:29:59 <o0-Dan-0o> best gps solution for n900 in your opinion?
Apr 01 17:30:08 <jacekowski> o0-Dan-0o: buy external tomtom
Apr 01 17:31:35 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you need vbus for flashing?
Apr 01 17:31:40 <o0-Dan-0o> (for n900)
Apr 01 17:31:46 <o0-Dan-0o> XD
Apr 01 17:32:04 <DocScrutinizer> o0-Dan-0o: mappero
Apr 01 17:32:06 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: Well - if it's not picking up the vbus, it's not going to go into flashing mode is it?
Apr 01 17:32:16 <DocScrutinizer> err
Apr 01 17:32:33 <jacekowski> i think that can be worked around with modified nolo
Apr 01 17:32:33 <DocScrutinizer> interesting question
Apr 01 17:32:39 <jacekowski> if you can flash modified nolo
Apr 01 17:32:46 <DocScrutinizer> but yeah. seems you're right
Apr 01 17:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> you can't force it into flashing mode by holding 'u' without cable plugged iirc
Apr 01 17:33:53 <jacekowski> it will just wait there until it detects host
Apr 01 17:34:14 <jacekowski> and host detection is done using vbus and data lines after that
Apr 01 17:36:55 <DocScrutinizer> :od:
Apr 01 17:37:03 <DocScrutinizer> :nod: even
Apr 01 17:37:40 * DocScrutinizer ponders about another proper Hoover session
Apr 01 18:20:30 * GAN900 pounds head on desk.
Apr 01 18:20:55 <GAN900> Who provides licensed material on Bluray?
Apr 01 18:26:33 <SpeedEvil> Disney?
Apr 01 18:26:42 <mva> http://seclists.org/nanog/2011/Mar/1022
Apr 01 18:28:38 <ZogG> mva wait what?
Apr 01 18:28:46 <ZogG> mva, are you the one from gentoo-ru?
Apr 01 18:29:04 <mva> yep
Apr 01 18:29:09 <mva> it;s irc, bro
Apr 01 18:29:13 <mva> *it's
Apr 01 18:29:21 <ZogG> =)
Apr 01 18:29:33 <ZogG> so do you set gentoo on n900 already?
Apr 01 18:29:37 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 01 18:29:46 <ZogG> did*
Apr 01 18:29:47 <mva> yep
Apr 01 18:29:51 <mva> in chroot
Apr 01 18:29:52 <ZogG> have you* even
Apr 01 18:29:53 <mva> ;)
Apr 01 18:29:58 <MohammadAG> and LOL @ real name
Apr 01 18:30:08 <ZogG> MohammadAG, &
Apr 01 18:30:10 <ZogG> ?
Apr 01 18:30:14 <ZogG> damn i miss keys
Apr 01 18:30:20 <ZogG> i'm stupid
Apr 01 18:30:28 * ZogG punches MohammadAG 
Apr 01 18:30:34 <ZogG> MohammadAG, why am i so stupid?
Apr 01 18:30:37 <mva> MohammadAG: which of? mine? ;)
Apr 01 18:30:43 <MohammadAG> yeah
Apr 01 18:30:47 <mva> ;))
Apr 01 18:30:52 <ZogG> MohammadAG, will you be here at night today?
Apr 01 18:30:58 <MohammadAG> ZogG, repeat the question and look in a mirror
Apr 01 18:31:02 <ArGGu^^> anyone know should add depencies to libqt4 packages or libqt4-maemo5?
Apr 01 18:31:08 <MohammadAG> ZogG, umm, maybe? :P
Apr 01 18:31:11 <ArGGu^^> what is the difference?
Apr 01 18:31:16 <ZogG> MohammadAG i want date with you
Apr 01 18:31:20 <MohammadAG> don't add dependencies manually
Apr 01 18:31:25 <ZogG> i mean i need you to help me figure out somethings
Apr 01 18:31:35 <ArGGu^^> MohammadAG well how then?
Apr 01 18:31:43 <MohammadAG> Depends: ${shlibs:Depends}
Apr 01 18:32:03 <ZogG> ArGGu^^ you have sot of makefile when you do deb with all configs
Apr 01 18:32:23 <MohammadAG> make sure you have dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules
Apr 01 18:32:29 <ArGGu^^> what the ${shlibs:Depends} means?
Apr 01 18:32:31 <MohammadAG> somewhere before dh_gencontrol
Apr 01 18:32:54 <ArGGu^^> the qtcreator add ${shlibs:Depends}, ${misc:Depends}
Apr 01 18:33:07 <ArGGu^^> It did all the file automatically
Apr 01 18:33:10 <MohammadAG> dh_shlibdeps creates a list of dependencies
Apr 01 18:33:11 <ArGGu^^> are there enough?
Apr 01 18:33:23 <ArGGu^^> hmm ok
Apr 01 18:33:34 <ArGGu^^> but can I add depencies manually?
Apr 01 18:33:57 <ArGGu^^> osso-sounds-rtc, maemo-ringtones-mr0
Apr 01 18:34:05 <ZogG> ArGGu^^ why would you want that?
Apr 01 18:34:07 <MohammadAG> , after it
Apr 01 18:34:14 <ArGGu^^> I would add there just because I use sounds from them
Apr 01 18:34:18 <ArGGu^^> *these
Apr 01 18:34:55 <MohammadAG> ArGGu^^, http://pastebin.com/ur7Qm4QJ
Apr 01 18:35:47 <MohammadAG> basically, anything you've linked to will be included
Apr 01 18:37:54 <iluminator101> how do i change the alarm sound on my n900 the sound is weak its just not waking me up
Apr 01 18:37:55 <ArGGu^^> MohammadAG if I open from the deb file the control file it should have depends?
Apr 01 18:38:17 <ArGGu^^> I opened it and it does not have them :S
Apr 01 18:38:18 <MohammadAG> yeah
Apr 01 18:38:32 <MohammadAG> do you have dh_shlibdeps in debian/rules?
Apr 01 18:38:32 <ArGGu^^> but I deb package is generated with qtcreator
Apr 01 18:38:38 <ArGGu^^> hmm
Apr 01 18:38:40 <ArGGu^^> wait I check
Apr 01 18:39:08 <MohammadAG> I think Qt Creator has some stuff commented out
Apr 01 18:39:21 <ArGGu^^> it was commented
Apr 01 18:44:55 <ArGGu^^> it give me error file not found :S
Apr 01 18:45:09 <ArGGu^^> maybe I need do it in scratchbox
Apr 01 18:51:41 <ArGGu^^> MohammadAG do you know if anything else needs to be uncommented http://pastebin.com/avhMaHLx?
Apr 01 19:06:23 <jigrap> is there some guide that tells you how to transfer contacts/pictures and music from your iphone(itunes)?
Apr 01 19:06:25 <jigrap> to the n900
Apr 01 19:06:52 <jigrap> i think for the contacts i can just import the windows contacts from vcf
Apr 01 19:12:33 <DocScrutinizer> iluminator101: check settings
Apr 01 19:14:32 <DocScrutinizer> umm sorry, you said alarm sound? like clock-alarm? clock menu: alarm settings
Apr 01 19:16:30 <DocScrutinizer> jigrap: importing vcf should be easy
Apr 01 19:20:57 <DocScrutinizer> pictures and music you will simply need to copy the files to proper locations on N900 (particularly [/home/user/MyDocs|N900]/.documents|Documents and /.images|Picturs and DCIM|Camera
Apr 01 19:22:59 <MohammadAG> writing to sysfs shouldn't cause load on IO right?
Apr 01 19:23:04 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, this mess isn't my idea. But I think you're kinda used to it when you are familiar with apple's products and/or Windows
Apr 01 19:23:17 <MohammadAG> sysfs is virtual after all
Apr 01 19:23:35 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: first approach: yes
Apr 01 19:23:42 <khertan> Hello !
Apr 01 19:23:45 <ZogG> khertan, qould you be here later? i would add you to main jabber and work one as there i have proxy =(
Apr 01 19:23:57 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: of course writing into a sysfs node can cause IO in consequence
Apr 01 19:24:20 <khertan> ZogG: unfortunatly i could be here for few minutes only
Apr 01 19:24:36 <ZogG> than next time
Apr 01 19:24:53 <ZogG> going to work now and i'll be here after our or something
Apr 01 19:25:28 <khertan> going to go to viet vo dao training
Apr 01 19:25:31 <khertan> :)
Apr 01 19:26:04 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, say 50 times a second
Apr 01 19:26:32 * DocScrutinizer says "50 times a second"
Apr 01 19:26:54 <khertan> DocScrutinizer: says "50 times a second"
Apr 01 19:27:17 <khertan> what s the game try to go everyone saying : DocScrutinizer: says "50 times a second" in less than a second ?
Apr 01 19:27:22 <khertan> :)
Apr 01 19:27:46 <DocScrutinizer> NFI
Apr 01 19:28:50 <khertan> The most important foolapril joke on French IT Blob is that Nokia is abandonning WinPhon7 for MeeGo ...
Apr 01 19:28:57 <khertan> pfff that s not funny
Apr 01 19:29:23 <ArGGu^^> MohammadAG do not know what black magic happend, but some reason it just worked now :)
Apr 01 19:30:46 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: anyway, your question suggests it's the wrong question after all
Apr 01 19:31:29 <GAN900> OK, I five up on Firefox
Apr 01 19:31:34 <GAN900> slow, slow slow
Apr 01 19:31:51 <DocScrutinizer> IO is defined as ... well.. CPU talking to peripherals other than RAM
Apr 01 19:34:24 <DocScrutinizer> usually these transfers are treated and metered separately as they are typically way slower than RAM access, and often CPU has to wait for data transfer to complete, which usually is done via (once again) IRQ signalling the IO hw has finished the job. So CPU can do other thing in the meantime.
Apr 01 19:35:51 <DocScrutinizer> Asking if writing to a special location is causing IO usually doesn't make much sense, unless you are planning to write huge amounts of data, where IO bandwidth starts to slow down your app on IOwait
Apr 01 19:36:37 <DocScrutinizer> writing *anywhere* 50/s is for sure not a sane thing anyway
Apr 01 19:36:47 <DocScrutinizer> no matter if it's causing IO or not
Apr 01 19:37:07 <DocScrutinizer> at least on a system supposed to idle 99.9% of time
Apr 01 19:39:35 <DocScrutinizer> you might do that *only* if you know the system is definitely 100% active anyway, and you need tight control over something that has no better way to handle it, like e.g. a LED you want to make flash in fancy ways (buzzword CIR)
Apr 01 19:39:45 <E0x> computer science class ?
Apr 01 19:40:16 <DocScrutinizer> :shrug:  If you think my monologue qualifies for a lesson...
Apr 01 19:40:48 <E0x> every word have some meaning , is up to you which one ....
Apr 01 19:50:20 <DocScrutinizer> mohe.g. writing to lp5523/*/brighness actually does cause IO, though the not so classical meaning of IO. It's transfering data over I2C to the lp5523 chip. You can do this occasionally for a few seconds, but not on a regular basis, like 50% of the time
Apr 01 19:50:36 <DocScrutinizer> damn, he's gone
Apr 01 20:10:55 <phap> lalala...
Apr 01 20:15:16 <jigrap> any idea of what I can do when I run out of space in the rootfs of the n900? I'm trying to install a custom package that I built and it needs more space
Apr 01 20:15:27 <jigrap> should I remount /usr/bin somewhere else?
Apr 01 20:18:56 <SpeedEvil> That will make it bootloop on startup.
Apr 01 20:19:07 <SpeedEvil> Configure your app to install somewhere else.
Apr 01 20:19:23 <SpeedEvil> Or use symlinks to make it not really install on the root
Apr 01 20:19:51 <jigrap> gotcha
Apr 01 20:19:57 <jigrap> I'll change /opt/rovio
Apr 01 20:20:03 <jigrap> thats where it seems to install stuff
Apr 01 20:20:12 <jigrap> I mean /opt
Apr 01 20:20:13 <jigrap> oops
Apr 01 20:53:10 <markinfo> what is needed to browse filesystem from n900 on another PC connected over Bluetooth?
Apr 01 20:53:56 <markinfo> this devices are already paired
Apr 01 20:55:32 <pupnik> markinfo: sshfs, nfs, samba, thttpd
Apr 01 20:56:07 <markinfo> pupnik, over Filemanager it is not possible?
Apr 01 21:11:28 <pupnik> [MP3] Karen Kwiatkowski, columnist at lewrockwell.com and retired USAF lieutenant colonel, discusses the Bush administration’s early Iraq War planning...  http://antiwar.com/radio/2011/03/23/karen-kwiatkowski-8/
Apr 01 21:12:14 <pupnik> appropriately
Apr 01 21:20:05 <DocScrutinizer> jigrap: see
Apr 01 21:20:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~optification
Apr 01 21:20:10 <infobot> well, optification is a inventive duct tape workaround to reclaim space in fs root, done due to the fact the partitioning is FUBAR, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo_5_Developer_Guide/Packaging,_Deploying_and_Distributing/Installing_under_opt_and_MyDocs, or ""OMG - I wish somebody had looked into FHS and moved /usr to eMMC"", or http://www.pathname.com/fhs/pub/fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE2 bullet1,2 and fhs-2.3.html#PURPOSE16 sentence3
Apr 01 21:21:32 <DocScrutinizer> jigrap: also see /etc/maemo-optify-auto-opt.conf
Apr 01 21:23:32 <DocScrutinizer> markinfo: depends on what Bt-profiles you got paired
Apr 01 21:25:06 <DocScrutinizer> If you got PAN then there's no difference to WLAN or USB-networking. Log in via ssh, or use sftp:// in your browser
Apr 01 21:25:36 <DocScrutinizer> if you got OBEX profile, then I think there are special tool for that
Apr 01 21:27:02 <DocScrutinizer> if you got e.g DUN profile then I guess there's no way to browse filesystem
Apr 01 21:34:33 <o0-Dan-0o> is there any command to check cpu actual clock speed?
Apr 01 21:35:37 <o0-Dan-0o> (n900)
Apr 01 21:36:09 <SpeedEvil> powertop
Apr 01 21:36:14 <SpeedEvil> Or poke around sysfs
Apr 01 21:40:55 <o0-Dan-0o> powertop = simple
Apr 01 21:41:09 <o0-Dan-0o> as for sysfs
Apr 01 21:41:11 <o0-Dan-0o> :x
Apr 01 21:41:26 <o0-Dan-0o> maybe some googling
Apr 01 21:41:28 <o0-Dan-0o> ^
Apr 01 21:41:33 <o0-Dan-0o> ^^
Apr 01 21:41:42 <o0-Dan-0o> thx SpeedEvil
Apr 01 21:42:12 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 01 21:55:55 <markinfo> DocScrutinizer, " what Bt-profiles you got paired"  ..pairing depends on specific Profile? I do not think so. Pairing is to define trusted devices.
Apr 01 21:56:51 <DocScrutinizer> markinfo: yes, pairing two devices via BT also defines which profiles are used
Apr 01 22:03:51 <DocScrutinizer> o0-Dan-0o: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/cpuinfo_cur_freq
Apr 01 22:04:43 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah i think i've tryed that and i got something like path not found or something
Apr 01 22:04:58 <o0-Dan-0o> maybe permissions related
Apr 01 22:05:06 <o0-Dan-0o> need root?
Apr 01 22:05:59 <SpeedEvil> yes
Apr 01 22:07:42 <DocScrutinizer> o0-Dan-0o: also interesting: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpufreq/stats/*
Apr 01 22:08:07 <DocScrutinizer> (probably more useful than cpuinfo_cur_freq)
Apr 01 22:12:40 <DocScrutinizer> as well: /sys/devices/system/cpu/cpu0/cpuidle/*
Apr 01 22:17:49 <o0-Dan-0o> thanks
Apr 01 22:17:52 <o0-Dan-0o> =)
Apr 01 22:18:02 <o0-Dan-0o> again
Apr 01 22:18:38 <o0-Dan-0o> cant try anything right now dryed the battery
Apr 01 22:20:57 <o0-Dan-0o> when the battery was low plugged the charger and continued to use the phone it started to get really hot and in the middle of a skype videocall it shut down
Apr 01 22:21:08 <o0-Dan-0o> crashed XD
Apr 01 22:23:36 <o0-Dan-0o> better start looking for a spare battery
Apr 01 22:23:38 <SpeedEvil> It will do that.
Apr 01 22:23:44 <SpeedEvil> Get warm that is.
Apr 01 22:23:51 <SpeedEvil> Skype video call will use a lot of power.
Apr 01 22:23:59 <SpeedEvil> It can be more than is supplied by the charger.
Apr 01 22:24:03 <DocScrutinizer> skype maxing out CPU and video even more
Apr 01 22:24:23 <o0-Dan-0o> =)
Apr 01 22:24:33 <ArGGu^^> SpeedEvil here is screencast of the irc client http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JqrdzcmxR1M
Apr 01 22:24:40 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah and the bat. was dry so XD
Apr 01 22:24:51 <ArGGu^^> It not very good because the screencast eats all cpu :S
Apr 01 22:31:05 <SpeedEvil> Looks interesting, though of course need to play with it to see.
Apr 01 22:31:14 <SpeedEvil> Oh - he left.
Apr 01 22:42:47 <o0-Dan-0o> lol seems i cant load anything
Apr 01 22:42:56 <o0-Dan-0o> whata..
Apr 01 22:43:24 <o0-Dan-0o> internal error..
Apr 01 22:43:27 <o0-Dan-0o> bla bla
Apr 01 22:45:35 <o0-Dan-0o> aplication closed
Apr 01 22:46:18 <o0-Dan-0o> my n900 is acting crazy now fully charged after that crash
Apr 01 22:46:44 <o0-Dan-0o> cant even load xterminal
Apr 01 22:49:38 <pupnik> can you ssh to it
Apr 01 22:50:01 <o0-Dan-0o> memory :s ?!
Apr 01 22:50:24 <pupnik> do you know what ssh is?
Apr 01 22:50:55 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah remote shell
Apr 01 22:51:19 <o0-Dan-0o> right?
Apr 01 22:51:20 <pupnik> you might be able to fix without reflashing if you can ssh to device
Apr 01 22:51:22 <pupnik> yep
Apr 01 22:51:31 <o0-Dan-0o> but i didnt installed yet
Apr 01 22:51:50 <o0-Dan-0o> basically i just tryed out skype and that was it
Apr 01 22:52:02 <pupnik> ah then i think ssh won't help you
Apr 01 22:52:18 <o0-Dan-0o> ouch reflash already!?
Apr 01 22:52:37 <o0-Dan-0o> i mean i didnt even installed anything or rooted
Apr 01 22:52:39 <o0-Dan-0o> XD
Apr 01 22:52:49 <o0-Dan-0o> its insane
Apr 01 22:54:05 <pupnik> you installed a trojan
Apr 01 22:54:14 <pupnik> ;)
Apr 01 22:54:33 <o0-Dan-0o> somehow i think the phone got memory full.. corrupted
Apr 01 22:56:13 <o0-Dan-0o> trojan :s for real.. what ive done with the phone was flashed yesterday and nothing more
Apr 01 22:56:38 <o0-Dan-0o> oh 2 "themes" downloaded fron nokia
Apr 01 22:56:41 <o0-Dan-0o> from
Apr 01 22:59:16 <DocScrutinizer> I don't think you got a real problem, at least I don't think yet
Apr 01 22:59:47 <o0-Dan-0o> LMAO
Apr 01 23:00:08 <o0-Dan-0o> changed language to english it rebooted and now seems ok
Apr 01 23:00:22 <DocScrutinizer> see?
Apr 01 23:00:23 <o0-Dan-0o> buggy yeah
Apr 01 23:00:28 <o0-Dan-0o> XD
Apr 01 23:01:04 <o0-Dan-0o> DocScrutinizer, the low bat + charging + skyped videocall +crash = crazy stuff
Apr 01 23:01:06 <o0-Dan-0o> XD
Apr 01 23:01:58 <DocScrutinizer> nah, sometimes desktop gets weird ideas, I had that like one and ahalf times in 15 months
Apr 01 23:02:30 <o0-Dan-0o> oh
Apr 01 23:02:54 <o0-Dan-0o> there he goes again acting up
Apr 01 23:03:06 <o0-Dan-0o> calender error
Apr 01 23:03:09 <o0-Dan-0o> #1
Apr 01 23:03:10 <DocScrutinizer> you said you changed language, so obviously you could start things, at least settings app
Apr 01 23:03:42 <o0-Dan-0o> internal error. Aplication 'calendar' closed.
Apr 01 23:04:12 <DocScrutinizer> I suspect your flashing yesterday went a bit wrong
Apr 01 23:04:13 <o0-Dan-0o> terminal opens
Apr 01 23:04:54 <DocScrutinizer> did you flash vanilla first and combined after that?
Apr 01 23:05:15 <o0-Dan-0o> mmm well thats weird the phone was fine until that crash
Apr 01 23:05:32 <o0-Dan-0o> i dont recall
Apr 01 23:05:34 <o0-Dan-0o> :x
Apr 01 23:05:43 <nox-> maybe some fs filled up?
Apr 01 23:05:52 <o0-Dan-0o> i did what was suggested here
Apr 01 23:06:00 <DocScrutinizer> since yesterday, with no additional apps installed?
Apr 01 23:06:36 <nox-> yeah i guess it would be strange...
Apr 01 23:06:37 <o0-Dan-0o> nox-, if thats it what can be done
Apr 01 23:06:55 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah just 2 themes from nokia
Apr 01 23:06:57 <nox-> but maybe skype left a big corefile or something like that :)
Apr 01 23:06:59 <DocScrutinizer> it's not that
Apr 01 23:07:13 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Apr 01 23:07:18 <DocScrutinizer> skype is evil
Apr 01 23:07:22 <nox-> (tho i'd doubt coredumps are enabled on n900...)
Apr 01 23:08:03 <o0-Dan-0o> im with you nox.. i think that crash did something to the mem
Apr 01 23:08:16 <nox-> what does df -k say?
Apr 01 23:08:30 <DocScrutinizer> I'd reflash and make sure nothing goes wrong. First flash vanilla, then flash combined
Apr 01 23:08:56 <o0-Dan-0o> by evil u mean cool right Xd i was making a video cal for "free" on my phone
Apr 01 23:09:01 <o0-Dan-0o> =P
Apr 01 23:10:11 <o0-Dan-0o> 57% use
Apr 01 23:10:22 <o0-Dan-0o> rootfs
Apr 01 23:10:35 <DocScrutinizer> that's too low
Apr 01 23:10:54 <DocScrutinizer> rather
Apr 01 23:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> I don't dare to say what I think
Apr 01 23:12:01 <o0-Dan-0o> well nothing seems full.. but the changing languge thing did allow me to be able to run xterm now..
Apr 01 23:12:38 <DocScrutinizer> reflash, make sure it's done correctly
Apr 01 23:12:51 <o0-Dan-0o> pls do
Apr 01 23:13:12 <DocScrutinizer> I think you flashed rootfs/combined first and booted in between, then flashed vanilla
Apr 01 23:13:48 <DocScrutinizer> I'd hope that's the reason why it fails
Apr 01 23:14:15 <o0-Dan-0o> well my win7 x64 screwed me yesterday i wasnt able to flash vanilla
Apr 01 23:14:31 <kwtm> I am no longer receiving text messages, nor is the Conversations widget responding.  I suspect I've got a corrupt ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db file.  I heard that you can just delete this file and the N900 will start a new one.  Are there any problems with this approach?
Apr 01 23:14:40 <o0-Dan-0o> the x64 workaround did not do well for me
Apr 01 23:15:08 <o0-Dan-0o> so i took the phone to my xp32bit
Apr 01 23:15:09 <DocScrutinizer> nonsense, you didn't even try to reboot as I suggested
Apr 01 23:15:16 <o0-Dan-0o> and done from beggining
Apr 01 23:15:25 <o0-Dan-0o> so..
Apr 01 23:15:32 <o0-Dan-0o> what do u think
Apr 01 23:15:59 <DocScrutinizer> your win7 loaded a cdc_ether or phonet driver whan you accidentally booted after flashing rootfs, then for vanilla it didn't find device
Apr 01 23:16:44 <DocScrutinizer> so you flashed vanilla on xp
Apr 01 23:17:02 <DocScrutinizer> but you booted device in between, and that ruined things
Apr 01 23:17:40 <o0-Dan-0o> no
Apr 01 23:17:49 <o0-Dan-0o> in xp
Apr 01 23:17:56 <o0-Dan-0o> i did from the beggining
Apr 01 23:18:06 <o0-Dan-0o> both combined and vanilla
Apr 01 23:18:12 <o0-Dan-0o> ;)
Apr 01 23:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, doesn't change the possibility you booted device
Apr 01 23:18:55 <DocScrutinizer> and of course you flashed combined first
Apr 01 23:18:57 <o0-Dan-0o> in the xp im sure i didnt
Apr 01 23:19:15 <o0-Dan-0o> did both without the -R
Apr 01 23:19:52 <DocScrutinizer> well, then you probably flashed correctly but bought an OC'd device with a burnout CPU that ruins flash on random
Apr 01 23:19:52 <o0-Dan-0o> withou disconnecting from usb
Apr 01 23:20:18 <o0-Dan-0o> ouch
Apr 01 23:20:22 <kwtm> <bump!> on the question about ~/.rtcom-eventlogger/el-v1.db
Apr 01 23:21:19 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, reflashing is your only option left
Apr 01 23:21:19 <MohammadAG51> what about it
Apr 01 23:21:25 <MohammadAG51> it's an sqlite3 db
Apr 01 23:21:52 <o0-Dan-0o> cpu is now default clock i hope thats why i was asking earlier how to check current clock speed
Apr 01 23:22:16 <ArGGu^^> Hey what is good file to add copyright and license of icon?
Apr 01 23:22:30 <ArGGu^^> I mean the file name
Apr 01 23:22:31 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah its no big deal reflashing as i dont have nothing on the phone yet
Apr 01 23:23:02 <MohammadAG51> debian/copyright and the app itself
Apr 01 23:23:11 <DocScrutinizer> flashing combined sets cpu to default clock
Apr 01 23:23:15 <MohammadAG51> gonna sleep, night :)
Apr 01 23:23:17 <ArGGu^^> And maybe some other files that does not have them in the file itself
Apr 01 23:23:21 <ArGGu^^> MohammadAG51 ok
Apr 01 23:23:21 <o0-Dan-0o> the device is still in warranty..
Apr 01 23:24:47 <DocScrutinizer> there are rare reports of a flashing went wrong without obvious signs during the process. Let's hope the second time will work better
Apr 01 23:25:35 <DocScrutinizer> please keep in mind that each powering up the device that doesn't stop at NOLO screen with USB icon *is* a boot
Apr 01 23:26:14 <DocScrutinizer> no matter if it's 5 seconds and you pull out battery to stop it
Apr 01 23:26:31 <o0-Dan-0o> wow
Apr 01 23:26:53 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I suggest flashing vanilla first, as then a accidental boot doesn't hurt
Apr 01 23:27:45 <o0-Dan-0o> as im a noob here =P
Apr 01 23:27:50 <o0-Dan-0o> NOLO screen?
Apr 01 23:28:00 <DocScrutinizer> NOKIA screen, sorry
Apr 01 23:28:09 <o0-Dan-0o> oh
Apr 01 23:28:11 <DocScrutinizer> NOLO is displaying that NOKIA screen
Apr 01 23:28:22 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah i did a fast google for it XD
Apr 01 23:28:31 <o0-Dan-0o> but didnt find a defenition
Apr 01 23:28:34 <o0-Dan-0o> ehhe
Apr 01 23:28:42 <DocScrutinizer> NOkia bootLOader
Apr 01 23:29:58 <o0-Dan-0o> ok
Apr 01 23:30:59 <DocScrutinizer> it either stops at that NOKIA screen with USB icon, or it boots up linux (which takes like 1s for kernel) and linux starts configuring device immediately. That's why you MUST NOT boot (not even start to boot) after combined before vanilla
Apr 01 23:32:00 <DocScrutinizer> so beter flash vanilla first, then flash combined. This way the new rootsystem will not get nuked after starting to configure, as no flashing of vanilla follows
Apr 01 23:32:30 <o0-Dan-0o> ok DocScrutinizer
Apr 01 23:32:33 <o0-Dan-0o> so
Apr 01 23:32:38 <o0-Dan-0o> 1st flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f
Apr 01 23:32:52 <o0-Dan-0o> 2nd flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f
Apr 01 23:33:03 <DocScrutinizer> the system starts to move binaries to eMMC on first boot. If you flash vanilla after that, those are gone
Apr 01 23:33:12 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 01 23:33:30 <o0-Dan-0o> connect to usb pressing U
Apr 01 23:33:37 <DocScrutinizer> both times first start flasher, then plug in device, then insert battery
Apr 01 23:33:40 <o0-Dan-0o> then do both commands
Apr 01 23:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> while holding 'u'
Apr 01 23:34:13 <pupnik> daimonin client looking better... http://i.imgur.com/6aFEK.jpg
Apr 01 23:34:44 <DocScrutinizer> after first flashing, you probably need to remove battery to switch off device
Apr 01 23:35:04 <o0-Dan-0o> but its only done once right?
Apr 01 23:35:21 <DocScrutinizer> and start 2nd flash the same way you did on first: flasher, plug in, insert bat with 'u'
Apr 01 23:35:38 <o0-Dan-0o> like after pluggin and sending vanilla
Apr 01 23:35:55 <o0-Dan-0o> when it finisshes send combined
Apr 01 23:36:13 <DocScrutinizer> you first need to remove bat, as stated above
Apr 01 23:36:15 <o0-Dan-0o> then turn unplugg phone
Apr 01 23:36:18 <o0-Dan-0o> and boot
Apr 01 23:36:22 <o0-Dan-0o> 1st time
Apr 01 23:37:09 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, and unplug phone for first boot, after 2nd flashing
Apr 01 23:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> it's not exactly helpful to have it connected to PC during firstboot
Apr 01 23:38:41 <DocScrutinizer> do NOT use -R, *ever*
Apr 01 23:38:48 <o0-Dan-0o> yesterday i didnt rebooted between flashes
Apr 01 23:39:22 <o0-Dan-0o> did one command when the other finished
Apr 01 23:39:27 <DocScrutinizer> yes, but that doesn't work for safe way vanilla first, due to a bug in NOLO
Apr 01 23:39:35 <o0-Dan-0o> oh
Apr 01 23:39:44 <o0-Dan-0o> i get it now
Apr 01 23:39:47 <o0-Dan-0o> =)
Apr 01 23:39:56 <DocScrutinizer> NOLO "freezes" after flashing vanilla
Apr 01 23:40:42 <DocScrutinizer> not always, but very often
Apr 01 23:40:56 <DocScrutinizer> so:
Apr 01 23:41:27 <DocScrutinizer> remove bat, flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_10.2010.13-2.VANILLA_PR_EMMC_MR0_ARM.bin -f, plug in, hold 'u', insert bat
Apr 01 23:41:57 <DocScrutinizer> remove bat, , plug in,flasher-3.5.exe -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -f,  hold 'u', insert bat
Apr 01 23:43:42 <DocScrutinizer> after this procedure (if nothing blocked), you *definitely* got a correct flashed device
Apr 01 23:44:34 <DocScrutinizer> unplug it and reboot for first boot which will take like 5 min
Apr 01 23:44:53 <o0-Dan-0o> =)
Apr 01 23:45:03 <o0-Dan-0o> thx will do
Apr 01 23:45:22 <DocScrutinizer> it's not that much more complicated than the 'cute' fast method
Apr 01 23:45:36 <DocScrutinizer> but a lot more failsafe
Apr 01 23:46:24 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah that procedure obeys the big NOTE in the download section
Apr 01 23:47:12 <DocScrutinizer> the point is you can not delete /opt when flashing vanilla this way
Apr 01 23:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> so an accidental boot is irrelevant
Apr 01 23:47:35 <o0-Dan-0o> should be clear and put in a guide as 1st method
Apr 01 23:47:41 <o0-Dan-0o> (or only)
Apr 01 23:47:45 <DocScrutinizer> though extremely unlikely to even happen
Apr 01 23:47:58 <DocScrutinizer> tell that MohammadAG51
Apr 01 23:48:00 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
Apr 01 23:48:04 <o0-Dan-0o> :x
Apr 01 23:48:19 <o0-Dan-0o> im a noob
Apr 01 23:48:25 <o0-Dan-0o> what do i know
Apr 01 23:48:29 <o0-Dan-0o> =P
Apr 01 23:48:42 <o0-Dan-0o> i thought i had it clean at 1st time
Apr 02 00:03:16 <o0-Dan-0o> :D
Apr 02 00:03:35 <o0-Dan-0o> DocScrutinizer, proper way done
Apr 02 00:03:43 <o0-Dan-0o> hehe
Apr 02 00:09:50 <o0-Dan-0o> ...will i be safe on skype video calls XD
Apr 02 00:10:08 <DocScrutinizer> should
Apr 02 00:10:14 <o0-Dan-0o> hehe
Apr 02 00:10:19 <o0-Dan-0o> kidding
Apr 02 00:10:20 <o0-Dan-0o> =)
Apr 02 00:11:14 <o0-Dan-0o> maybe a silly question cpu OC get reset to stock after flash?
Apr 02 00:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 02 00:11:37 <DocScrutinizer> but not the damage done
Apr 02 00:12:08 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah =/
Apr 02 00:12:17 <o0-Dan-0o> warranty ftw
Apr 02 00:12:20 <o0-Dan-0o> ^^
Apr 02 00:12:33 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, test thoroughly
Apr 02 00:14:49 <o0-Dan-0o> will do
Apr 02 00:21:30 <o0-Dan-0o> any key or combo on hardware keyboard for TAB
Apr 02 00:21:36 <o0-Dan-0o> ?
Apr 02 00:21:53 <DocScrutinizer> ctrl-i might work
Apr 02 00:22:04 <o0-Dan-0o> :D
Apr 02 00:22:13 <o0-Dan-0o> ty
Apr 02 00:23:22 <o0-Dan-0o> seems it didnt
Apr 02 00:23:32 <DocScrutinizer> for what?
Apr 02 00:23:54 <o0-Dan-0o> replace for TAB
Apr 02 00:23:59 <o0-Dan-0o> key
Apr 02 00:24:03 <DocScrutinizer> where?
Apr 02 00:24:11 <o0-Dan-0o> xterm
Apr 02 00:24:20 <o0-Dan-0o> duh
Apr 02 00:24:25 <o0-Dan-0o> theres a buttun
Apr 02 00:24:25 <DocScrutinizer> xterm has a tab on the bar at bottom
Apr 02 00:24:32 <o0-Dan-0o> XD
Apr 02 00:24:37 <o0-Dan-0o> yeah sorry
Apr 02 00:37:55 <DocScrutinizer> o0-Dan-0o: check http://maemo.org/packages/view/notmynokia/ before inserting SIM!
Apr 02 00:46:14 <DocScrutinizer> o0-Dan-0o: http://wiki.maemo.org/PR1.2_compulsory_My_Nokia_subscription
Apr 02 00:50:56 <o0-Dan-0o> is it bad to register
Apr 02 00:50:58 <o0-Dan-0o> ?
Apr 02 00:52:06 <o0-Dan-0o> oh i guess 2nd link explains it
Apr 02 00:52:08 <o0-Dan-0o> =)
Apr 02 00:52:50 <o0-Dan-0o> before inserting sim
Apr 02 00:52:58 <o0-Dan-0o> wont be possible..
Apr 02 00:53:31 <o0-Dan-0o> i mean.. only if i reboot without it
Apr 02 00:53:44 <o0-Dan-0o> y
Apr 02 00:54:48 <o0-Dan-0o> lmao
Apr 02 00:54:53 <o0-Dan-0o> ... involves a text (SMS) being sent from the device to Nokia, which might be at the owner's expense...
Apr 02 00:57:39 <o0-Dan-0o> indeed doesnt look very nice/legal
Apr 02 00:58:15 <o0-Dan-0o> will look at it tomorrow and try to disable =)
Apr 02 01:08:25 <SpeedEvil> It's explicitly illegal in the UK.
Apr 02 01:18:30 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: while reading thru this, and doing a lil bit of mc'ing I find /etc/X11/Xsession.post/32mafw and 3?mafw*
Apr 02 01:19:18 <DocScrutinizer> could you confirm you got same files, and the mafw* seem utterly redundant or even evil regarding mafw does same thing?
Apr 02 01:19:25 <SpeedEvil> ...
Apr 02 01:21:12 <SpeedEvil> Nokia-N900:/etc/X11/Xsession.post# ls *mafw*
Apr 02 01:21:12 <SpeedEvil> 32mafw-gst-renderer    34mafw-tracker-source
Apr 02 01:21:12 <SpeedEvil> 33mafw-iradio-source   35mafw-upnp-source
Apr 02 01:21:48 <SpeedEvil> All have dates of Feb 17-19 2010, renderer Jun 21 2010
Apr 02 01:24:04 <DocScrutinizer> 32mafw 2009-09-17  493
Apr 02 01:24:08 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Apr 02 01:25:17 <DocScrutinizer> for plugin in /usr/lib/mafw-plugin/*.so; do                # For uninstall to work, we must start them using just the                # basename without '.so'.                plugin="${plugin##*/}";                plugin="${plugin%.so}";                nice="";                if test "x$plugin" = "xmafw-gst-renderer"; then                    # Run the renderer with a nice value                    nice="-7";                fi
Apr 02 01:25:19 <DocScrutinizer> sudo /usr/bin/mafw.sh start "$plugin" $nice &        done
Apr 02 01:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> ok, it has a sudo
Apr 02 01:26:46 <DocScrutinizer> seems somebody missed to uninstall this when updating SSU from 1.0 to 1.3
Apr 02 01:28:39 <DocScrutinizer> I wonder if I got a super-multimedia-device now that each mafw-plugin gets started twice
Apr 02 01:28:47 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Apr 02 01:30:29 <pupnik> movin to montana soon... gona be a dental floss tycoon...
Apr 02 01:32:17 <DocScrutinizer> MOVIN TO MONTANA SOON, GONNA BE A MENTAL TOSS FLYCOON (whatever that means)
Apr 02 01:32:51 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG51: ps|grep mafw
Apr 02 01:33:26 <DocScrutinizer> you might think it's looking odd /usr/bin/mafw-playlist-daemon has no dbus-wrapper
Apr 02 01:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> well, at least starting those plugins twice doesn't mean I got two processes of each
Apr 02 01:37:08 <DocScrutinizer> still I'm temped to move away that 32mafw and see if device boots 4s faster
Apr 02 01:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> plus a super-YUCK for the hardcoded inline nice value (-7)
Apr 02 01:38:05 <SpeedEvil> Stick a script that moves it back, and then exits in place first of course.
Apr 02 01:38:48 <DocScrutinizer> good plan
Apr 02 01:47:24 <DocScrutinizer> though my mood been more ambitious a few hours ago: mv /usr/bin /usr/bin2; mkdir /usr/bin; for f in /usr/bin2/*; do echo -e 'echo `date` /usr/bin2/"$@"'>/var/log/bootusage.log; \n"$@"'>/usr/bin/${f##*/}; done
Apr 02 01:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> of course you'd need a link of /usr/bin2 to /usr/bin rather than moving it, then create /usr/bin1 that way I suggested for /usr/bin, then mv /usr/bin1 to /usr/bin
Apr 02 01:53:05 <DocScrutinizer> but somehow I lost my venturous mood while pondering similar rescue schemes you suggested, SpeedEvil
Apr 02 01:54:16 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless eventually I'll do this and then sanitaze this whole optification mess
Apr 02 01:54:56 <luke-jr> so if a HD overheats, is it likely replacing the PCB will fix it?
Apr 02 01:56:05 <SpeedEvil> busybox bootchart
Apr 02 01:56:05 <DocScrutinizer> move all the misplaced /usr/bin/binaries that are used before mount of eMMC to /(s)bin, then move /usr to an own partition and de-optify all the shit
Apr 02 01:56:17 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Apr 02 01:56:43 <SpeedEvil> http://gitorious.org/busybox/busybox/commit/adbbee46ad0661bf695d2bfe7a07ebced4bbe780
Apr 02 01:56:47 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: unclear
Apr 02 01:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: sounds handy, but where to get it?
Apr 02 02:00:50 <DocScrutinizer> 'our' messybox says "bootchartd: applet not found"
Apr 02 02:19:39 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: did it make noises prior to failure?
Apr 02 02:20:52 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: dunno, I just plugged it in the night before
Apr 02 02:21:07 <luke-jr> … to make backups, ironically enough
Apr 02 02:25:00 <DocScrutinizer> luke-jr: why do you think it overheated?
Apr 02 02:25:41 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: it had no cooling?
Apr 02 02:26:09 <DocScrutinizer> an external HDD shouldn't need a cooling usually
Apr 02 02:26:29 <luke-jr> it's "internal", but hooked up to a minimal adapter
Apr 02 02:26:54 <DocScrutinizer> so ambient temperature was like normal?
Apr 02 02:27:10 <nox-> i have one external esata/1394/usb disk that the 1394 interface has died on...
Apr 02 02:27:22 <DocScrutinizer> a single drive that has some convection does rarely overheat
Apr 02 02:27:34 <luke-jr> DocScrutinizer: I guess…
Apr 02 02:27:47 <luke-jr> but why else would it suddenly fail?
Apr 02 02:27:57 <DocScrutinizer> electrical
Apr 02 02:28:28 <DocScrutinizer> sudden death of a semiconductor, nothing completely unheard
Apr 02 02:29:27 <DocScrutinizer> even the cable might be broken ;-D
Apr 02 02:30:12 <DocScrutinizer> does it still spin up?
Apr 02 02:31:10 <DocScrutinizer> the by far most 'popular' point of failure is power
Apr 02 02:32:47 <DocScrutinizer> (on a related sidenote: my Nokia wallcharger went poof while I was out for breakfast)
Apr 02 02:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> and >50% of 'dead' PCs I fixed had a broken PSU
Apr 02 02:34:13 <DocScrutinizer> another significant number probably broken regulators for CPU core power
Apr 02 02:35:16 <DocScrutinizer> - ok - a lot of those had dry or bursted elcos
Apr 02 02:36:32 <DocScrutinizer> in SPSU it's usually the schottkys and/or power switch transistors
Apr 02 02:59:19 <joc> Hey guys just bought a used n900 and set it up on tmobile. I was seeing a enter sim unlock code prompt and no connection to the network so I'm flashing. Any other suggestions?
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