**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue Apr 05 02:59:58 2011
Apr 05 03:01:49 <RST38h> GAN: Just move. =)
Apr 05 03:02:57 <GAN900> RST38h, had a high of 79°F today and I wasn't filmed by any government cameras on my way to work.
Apr 05 03:03:09 <GAN900> Also: no state income tax.
Apr 05 03:03:20 <GAN900> I'll stay, thanks. :P
Apr 05 03:04:11 <RST38h> 80oF here as well. Sucks.
Apr 05 04:33:09 <Termana> good morning
Apr 05 06:27:56 <mece> \o
Apr 05 06:52:08 <mece> alterego, man, there's no way in hell you can live up to this: http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=980953&postcount=84
Apr 05 07:20:06 <crashanddie_> Guest1766, enough with the stupid namechanging
Apr 05 07:20:51 <chx> crashanddie_: that's the client + nickserv
Apr 05 07:21:08 <crashanddie_> chx, like I care?
Apr 05 07:21:10 <chx> crashanddie_: the client tries to assume knightstalker it's a protected nick so nickserv kicks back to guest*
Apr 05 07:21:41 <chx> crashanddie_: i have seen stupid enough clients getting into an infinite loop over it ....
Apr 05 07:21:54 <crashanddie_> thanks, and now he can fix it
Apr 05 07:26:12 <timeless_w7ip> chx: i'm with crashanddie_ on this
Apr 05 07:26:29 <timeless_w7ip> the user should get a new nick or be banned
Apr 05 07:27:05 <crashanddie_> GET THE TAR AND FEATHERS!!!
Apr 05 07:27:16 * timeless_w7ip offers feathers
Apr 05 07:27:26 <timeless_w7ip> BYOT (bring your own tar)
Apr 05 07:27:42 <timeless_w7ip> you have the choice of gnu tar or bsd tar :)
Apr 05 07:28:46 <timeless_w7ip> you could try busybox tar, but it may be incompatible w/ my feathers :)
Apr 05 07:39:43 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, you seem to know shit about iOS, can baseband 3.10.01 be unlocked?
Apr 05 07:40:06 <crashanddie_> baseband wut modafuka?
Apr 05 07:40:25 <MohammadAG> iPhone 4 modem baseband :P
Apr 05 07:41:01 <crashanddie_> No idea
Apr 05 07:41:12 <crashanddie_> Funky http://jtnimoy.net.nyud.net/workviewer.php?q=178
Apr 05 08:12:34 <drack> hello
Apr 05 08:12:34 <zaleb> Hay drack leuk dat je wat zegt
Apr 05 08:12:45 <drack> imenglish
Apr 05 08:12:51 <drack> english
Apr 05 08:12:57 <ruskie> hehe
Apr 05 08:13:28 <drack> hi im wondering how i backup the rom
Apr 05 08:13:50 <drack> do i use the backup restore settingin settings?
Apr 05 08:14:15 <pupnik> open browser, tap screen, wait two days.... food arrives!!!  http://i.imgur.com/hSeNz.jpg  :D
Apr 05 08:14:22 <pupnik> delivered right to my doorstep! :)
Apr 05 08:20:57 <ruskie> lazy much
Apr 05 08:23:47 <drack> hello ruskie can you help me?
Apr 05 08:24:03 <ruskie> not really
Apr 05 08:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> moo
Apr 05 08:24:56 <drack> Doc can you help?
Apr 05 08:25:02 <DocScrutinizer> what?
Apr 05 08:25:15 <drack> hi im wondering how i backup the rom
Apr 05 08:25:25 <drack> do i use the backup restore settingin settings?
Apr 05 08:25:29 <DocScrutinizer> there's no rom
Apr 05 08:25:53 <DocScrutinizer> backup/restore app is what you need
Apr 05 08:26:12 <DocScrutinizer> see
Apr 05 08:26:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Apr 05 08:26:15 <infobot> flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 05 08:26:20 <drack> what if i want to restore to  default kernel
Apr 05 08:26:29 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Apr 05 08:26:30 <infobot> well, flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 05 08:42:32 <chem|st> and another day of "how I learned to love the bomb" or t.m.o going nuts again
Apr 05 08:44:44 <crashanddie_> TMO being as usual
Apr 05 08:45:26 <rcg> ssdd
Apr 05 08:47:40 <drack> my n900 is unlocked . what will affect its unlockedness?
Apr 05 08:47:53 <chem|st> crashanddie_: getting worse with people like nuknuk being awake again
Apr 05 08:48:11 <chem|st> drack: what do you mean by unlocked?
Apr 05 08:48:28 <chem|st> operator unlocked?
Apr 05 08:49:13 <chem|st> autolock, security lock, screen & kbd lock....
Apr 05 08:53:51 <drackk> my carriier is unlocked
Apr 05 08:54:02 <drackk> orthe gsm is unlocked
Apr 05 08:56:36 <drackk> its unlocked so i can use any carrier
Apr 05 08:56:44 <drackk> ?
Apr 05 08:56:51 <drackk> hello?
Apr 05 08:56:52 <chem|st> drackk: wont lock itself in a mysterious way will it?
Apr 05 08:57:03 <chem|st> patience little padawan
Apr 05 08:58:02 <drackk> no i mean if i restore the firmware will it?
Apr 05 08:58:36 <DocScrutinizer> no
Apr 05 08:58:45 <crashanddie_> drackk, why would it?
Apr 05 08:59:03 <drackk> if i change the kernel will it?
Apr 05 08:59:08 <crashanddie_> no
Apr 05 08:59:08 <DocScrutinizer> NO
Apr 05 08:59:18 <drackk> ok cool
Apr 05 08:59:19 <chem|st> drackk: why should it? and you do not restore the firmware like in "restore back to what was on a locked device" you will flash a normal new untouched firmware to it and you are good
Apr 05 08:59:32 <chem|st> (no carrier ever touched)
Apr 05 08:59:50 <DocScrutinizer> except for UK ;-P
Apr 05 09:00:00 <MohammadAG> it's not an iPhone
Apr 05 09:00:05 <drackk> oh
Apr 05 09:00:07 * Treibholz is testing Nitdroid...
Apr 05 09:00:10 <Treibholz> hi chem|st
Apr 05 09:00:10 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 05 09:00:14 <chem|st> hi Treibholz
Apr 05 09:00:44 <chem|st> Treibholz: you are trying the bright side?
Apr 05 09:00:56 <DocScrutinizer> *burrp*
Apr 05 09:01:13 <chem|st> Treibholz: stay with us in the dark, we have cookies and can make phonecalls^^
Apr 05 09:01:22 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Apr 05 09:01:27 <Treibholz> Android is running better on the n900 than Meego... Thats so embarrassing...
Apr 05 09:01:44 <Treibholz> chem|st: I hate phonecalls! :-)
Apr 05 09:02:02 <DocScrutinizer> don't buy tincans!
Apr 05 09:02:29 <chem|st> or even reep-cord
Apr 05 09:02:32 <MohammadAG> for (int x = 0; x < ui->playlistList->count(); x++) <-- that should iterate over all items right?
Apr 05 09:03:17 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: very poor coding I'd guess
Apr 05 09:03:47 <MohammadAG> err, how?
Apr 05 09:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> playlist->count might be *heavy*, and gets executed for each iteration aiui
Apr 05 09:04:10 <MohammadAG> it isn't heavy
Apr 05 09:04:17 <DocScrutinizer> you dunno
Apr 05 09:04:23 <MohammadAG> actually, I do know :p
Apr 05 09:04:29 <DocScrutinizer> ok
Apr 05 09:04:30 <drackk> http://nokian900.tv/backup-and-restore-on-n900
Apr 05 09:04:42 <drackk> is this like flashing?
Apr 05 09:05:45 <chem|st> no that ti backup and restore
Apr 05 09:06:20 <drackk> oh like just files
Apr 05 09:06:22 <chem|st> drackk: we try to keep it simple! what is your problem?
Apr 05 09:06:41 <chem|st> drackk: you tell me your problem and I help you get rid of it, deal?
Apr 05 09:06:51 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Apr 05 09:07:23 <chem|st> drackk: that way we keep out silly questions and you googling BS out of the internets
Apr 05 09:07:52 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, time in milliseconds to get the count of all items in a 700-item list, 0ms
Apr 05 09:07:57 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: why aren't you on access list?
Apr 05 09:08:04 <chem|st> all you need is written down in the wiki (even typos get updated there^^)
Apr 05 09:08:15 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: I have no idea
Apr 05 09:08:36 <DocScrutinizer> X-Fade: I suggest an addition to access list
Apr 05 09:08:38 <drackk> no problem    i just want to be sure i know how to restore to default kernel if i messup putting on a different kernel like for wl1251 bleeding edge wifi
Apr 05 09:09:02 <MohammadAG> I'm guessing the confusion is from iPhone terms
Apr 05 09:09:13 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: never asked for it as always some "rather" good people are around...
Apr 05 09:09:15 <MohammadAG> "Restore" means reflash back to factory settings
Apr 05 09:09:33 <MohammadAG> (in iTunes that is)
Apr 05 09:09:42 <DocScrutinizer> we're running short on 'good peaople' always being around
Apr 05 09:11:05 <DocScrutinizer> drackk: please read complete "updating the firmware" wikipage
Apr 05 09:11:09 <DocScrutinizer> ~flash
Apr 05 09:11:10 <infobot> flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 05 09:11:13 <chem|st> in iFsckYou world this means you get imprisoned again, in maemo world this might fix a briked device or borked settings but wont lock the front door
Apr 05 09:11:57 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: t.m.o is running short on good people... but in here? there is always one of I guess us 4 I can tell
Apr 05 09:12:45 <DocScrutinizer> tmo always been short on admins who care
Apr 05 09:12:53 <DocScrutinizer> you'd need like 500
Apr 05 09:13:05 <pupnik> tmo has an ignore feature, but it is hard to find
Apr 05 09:13:10 <pupnik> it should be right next to every post
Apr 05 09:13:55 <DocScrutinizer> here I see chanops vanish, like stskeeps, GeneralAntilles is a rare visitor, crashanddie_ as well..., even x-fade is hard to find
Apr 05 09:14:24 <pupnik> MohammadAG: it's not a good way to code a for loop.  If your count is invariant for the duration of the loop, store it in a variable first.
Apr 05 09:14:52 <pupnik> in fact i thought for loops required the parameters to be invariant
Apr 05 09:15:19 <chem|st> pupnik: it does not help me moderate when I ignore dumb people
Apr 05 09:15:24 <pupnik> MohammadAG: if you want to test for a value that can change at any time,  a "while" loop is the right way
Apr 05 09:15:37 <pupnik> chem|st: i didn't realize you were a moderator
Apr 05 09:15:56 <chem|st> supermod actualy, makes it even worse
Apr 05 09:16:15 <pupnik> what does that job pay?
Apr 05 09:16:21 <Termana> lol
Apr 05 09:16:26 <chem|st> lol
Apr 05 09:16:57 <chem|st> pays off with less sleep and more coffee in my vains
Apr 05 09:17:23 <pupnik> you don't actually have to *read* t.m.o. do you?  just respond to complaints?
Apr 05 09:18:53 <chem|st> sometimes you have to read the bs to understand what is going on, then you start of to go on single users and pick off their last 18 posts then you recognize that they where covered by another 25 by other ppl
Apr 05 09:18:57 <chem|st> and so on
Apr 05 09:19:19 <chem|st> and yesterday I couldn't hold myself and started giving infractions
Apr 05 09:19:44 <chem|st> first response was a "thank you, moderation is needed here, keep up the good work"
Apr 05 09:21:01 <pupnik> hmm
Apr 05 09:21:26 <chem|st> it is sad to see that noone is ever interested in cleaning it up
Apr 05 09:21:42 <chem|st> there is so much noise
Apr 05 09:22:30 <chem|st> my requests for access to the brainstorm backend never proceeded further than me writing it
Apr 05 09:22:33 <drackk> what do i use to reflash       the usb cable?
Apr 05 09:22:42 <chem|st> drackk: yes
Apr 05 09:22:45 <drackk> sweet
Apr 05 09:23:00 <chem|st> drackk: read the damn wiki page as DocScrutinizer told you!
Apr 05 09:23:07 <drackk> iam
Apr 05 09:23:12 <chem|st> good!
Apr 05 09:23:20 <chem|st> sorry bit tempered today
Apr 05 09:23:32 <drackk> its cool
Apr 05 09:23:41 <chem|st> less sleep more coffee is not a solution
Apr 05 09:26:23 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: your tmo nick is joerg_rw?!
Apr 05 09:26:33 <DocScrutinizer> rrright
Apr 05 09:26:40 <DocScrutinizer> why?
Apr 05 09:27:12 * chem|st switches on the recorder
Apr 05 09:27:29 <DocScrutinizer> I earned a ban? please pretty please ban me from tmo :-P
Apr 05 09:27:35 <chem|st> *klick* and you want to be a supermod and are aware of email floods?
Apr 05 09:27:50 <DocScrutinizer> +cough*
Apr 05 09:28:06 <DocScrutinizer> I never touch tmo
Apr 05 09:28:06 <chem|st> I take that as a yes, rrrright?
Apr 05 09:28:20 <DocScrutinizer> virtually never
Apr 05 09:28:23 <pupnik> chem|st: the best way to clean up t.m.o is allow users to ignore all posts by certain people more easily
Apr 05 09:28:27 * chem|st switches off the recorder
Apr 05 09:28:31 <chem|st> damn
Apr 05 09:28:41 <chem|st> pupnik: no it is not
Apr 05 09:29:04 <alterego> mece: :D
Apr 05 09:29:09 <alterego> Forgot I said that
Apr 05 09:29:19 <chem|st> the best way is to have some "good" people who read it anyways moderate subsections
Apr 05 09:29:27 <pupnik> what does moderate mean?
Apr 05 09:29:39 <pupnik> you can't moderate a stupid person
Apr 05 09:29:45 <pupnik> they will make stupid comments, always
Apr 05 09:29:52 <chem|st> delete/edit/ban/move
Apr 05 09:30:01 <MohammadAG> HIM: x11FilterEvent( _HILDON_IM_SURROUNDING_CONTENT ) is not supported  <-- wtf
Apr 05 09:30:09 <pupnik> surely you don't think that this is a good idea
Apr 05 09:30:10 <DocScrutinizer> ask MohammadAG :-)
Apr 05 09:30:18 <chem|st> pupnik: moderators arent seen as you did not know I am supermod...
Apr 05 09:30:32 <MohammadAG> yeah, I vote for DocScrutinizer to become a mod
Apr 05 09:30:38 <MohammadAG> (that was the question right? :P)
Apr 05 09:30:38 <DocScrutinizer> FSCK
Apr 05 09:30:45 <chem|st> MohammadAG: yes!
Apr 05 09:31:10 <pupnik> chem|st: the answer is to give me, as a t.m.o. user the ability to ignore stupid people
Apr 05 09:31:15 <pupnik> you can not fix stupid people, chem|st
Apr 05 09:31:19 <MohammadAG> no no no
Apr 05 09:31:19 <DocScrutinizer> peeps, there's no use in a mod that gets allergy when touching forum
Apr 05 09:31:28 <MohammadAG> the answer is to disallow posting if you have less than 5 posts
Apr 05 09:31:43 <pupnik> ?
Apr 05 09:31:57 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: lol
Apr 05 09:31:59 <timeless_w7ip> how do you get your first 5 posts?
Apr 05 09:32:09 <MohammadAG> timeless_w7ip, that's the point, you don't
Apr 05 09:32:12 <DocScrutinizer> timeless_w7ip: MORNING!
Apr 05 09:32:36 <timeless_w7ip> gimme a break, i probably underslept again
Apr 05 09:32:37 * timeless_w7ip goes out
Apr 05 09:32:41 <pupnik> cheers
Apr 05 09:33:02 <chem|st> lol
Apr 05 09:33:25 <pupnik> if the system is set up well, it doesn't require many interventions
Apr 05 09:33:49 <chem|st> some settings need to be changed yes
Apr 05 09:34:15 <chem|st> but not reporting stupidness does not help me banning those idiots
Apr 05 09:34:52 <MohammadAG> achipa, is Qt Mobility 1.1 or 1.2 stable enough to be in the CSSU?
Apr 05 09:34:53 <pupnik> well perspective of a user is different from that of a moderator
Apr 05 09:34:58 <MohammadAG> s/is/are
Apr 05 09:35:26 <achipa> MohammadAG: they are tons more stable than the 1.0.2 that is in the current one
Apr 05 09:35:48 <achipa> not to mention that you multimedia and location stuff is unusable in 1.0.x
Apr 05 09:36:14 <MohammadAG> achipa, so should I include them? I doubt the official SSU will ever have the updates
Apr 05 09:36:38 <MohammadAG> (though tbh, it would be better if the official SSU had them, since that's enabled by default)
Apr 05 09:36:44 <pupnik> chem|st: wouldn't flamewars be less likely if people could ignore each other?  or do flamewars occur because people *want* to flame
Apr 05 09:37:04 <pupnik> s/could/could_more_easily
Apr 05 09:37:05 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: you're free to set mod++ on my tmo account, but I doubt it will help a lot on tmo at large
Apr 05 09:37:48 <DocScrutinizer> my mail client will hopefully handle the +3% of mail to move to some new subfolder and mark as read ;-D
Apr 05 09:38:28 <chem|st> pupnik: "want" to!
Apr 05 09:39:08 <achipa> MohammadAG: I would include them. Rule #1 - never ever wait for the official SSU :) It would be best if we could update that directly, but alas...
Apr 05 09:39:49 <MohammadAG> achipa, then how do we allow extras-devel to build against the new Qt packages?
Apr 05 09:41:23 <achipa> 'big' qt is not that critical at the moment, I would think we should ride it through with libqtm-11 (those will be pushed to Extras soon TM)
Apr 05 09:41:50 <achipa> MohammadAG: and hopefully we could get them into the MADDE rootstrap as an easter egg so it would be pretty transparent
Apr 05 09:42:05 <MohammadAG> achipa, so we're stuck with CONFIG += libqtm-11?
Apr 05 09:43:15 <achipa> CONFIG += mobility11, but yes (still a small price to pay IMO if that means that we get out-of-the-box compatibility with the QtSDK)
Apr 05 09:43:17 <DocScrutinizer> ~nuke QtMobility
Apr 05 09:43:17 * infobot prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at QtMobility ... B☢☢M!
Apr 05 09:44:16 <MohammadAG> achipa, so I shouldn't bother with including new QtMobility in the CSSU?
Apr 05 09:44:24 <MohammadAG> if that's going in extras
Apr 05 09:44:54 <MohammadAG> though I'm sure all devs would prefer to have one set of qtmobility packages, instead of libqtm-*, libqtm-11-*, and libqtm-12-*
Apr 05 09:45:23 <DocScrutinizer> please consider CSSU MUST NOT render official SSU broken!
Apr 05 09:45:29 <DocScrutinizer> ~2119
Apr 05 09:45:29 <infobot> The key words "MUST", "MUST NOT", "REQUIRED", "SHALL", "SHALL NOT", "SHOULD", "SHOULD NOT", "RECOMMENDED",  "MAY", and "OPTIONAL" in this document are to be interpreted as described in RFC 2119.
Apr 05 09:45:39 <MohammadAG> it isn't
Apr 05 09:45:58 <MohammadAG> Qt is ABI compatible when you're going forward
Apr 05 09:46:04 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
Apr 05 09:46:16 <MohammadAG> so suppose we include Qt 4.8 in the CSSU, 4.7 binaries will still work, but not the other way round
Apr 05 09:46:18 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, always been. Sure
Apr 05 09:46:33 <MohammadAG> (which is what happened when the updated Qt in the builder but not the devices)
Apr 05 09:48:19 <achipa> MohammadAG: harryF said that "always" starts with 4.7 :)
Apr 05 09:58:12 <DocScrutinizer> also point of CSSU is to bring fixes to joe luser, not serve as devel/testing repo for new libs. So Qt4.8 in CSSU has exactly *ONE* justification: IF and only IF Qt4.8 is fixing some "elementary" bugs in 4.7, *for the system and apps you can get via official SSU, and possibly update via CSSU*
Apr 05 09:58:36 <MohammadAG> it's not getting 4.8, but 4.7.2
Apr 05 09:58:44 <DocScrutinizer> whatever
Apr 05 09:58:45 <MohammadAG> and that has lots of bug fixes we need
Apr 05 09:58:52 <DocScrutinizer> ok then
Apr 05 09:59:01 <MohammadAG> also, achipa says the current 4.7.0 is an RC, not a final release
Apr 05 09:59:10 <DocScrutinizer> just make DAMN SURE it doesn't introduce *new* bugs
Apr 05 09:59:25 <MohammadAG> why did I delay the update by a week?
Apr 05 09:59:53 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I'm just saying, not criticising
Apr 05 10:00:01 <MohammadAG> yeah, I know :P
Apr 05 10:00:09 <DocScrutinizer> quite probably you're well aware of all this
Apr 05 10:00:48 <MohammadAG> well, I was the one who complained for a whole week about bugs introduced in Qt 4.7 in PR1.3
Apr 05 10:01:02 <DocScrutinizer> yes, I recall that
Apr 05 10:02:01 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 05 10:02:13 <DocScrutinizer> I've just a hard time leaving QtMob bashing mode, after that filesensor WTF of a few days ago
Apr 05 10:02:27 <MohammadAG> is there a way to make grep browse match only browse, and not browse_result?
Apr 05 10:02:47 <MohammadAG> grep --help isn't that helpful, and busybox grep is probably crippled
Apr 05 10:02:50 <DocScrutinizer> err wut?
Apr 05 10:03:06 <DocScrutinizer> please rephrase
Apr 05 10:03:22 <MohammadAG> grep browse matches browse and browse_result
Apr 05 10:03:23 <achipa> DocScrutinizer: our danger with the Qt update is actually that some applications might be relying on the bugs
Apr 05 10:03:36 <MohammadAG> basically, I want to match the exact string "browse"
Apr 05 10:03:47 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, sure, grep for "browse "
Apr 05 10:04:24 <DocScrutinizer> aaah, sure, grep for "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!)
Apr 05 10:04:37 <DocScrutinizer> duh wut???
Apr 05 10:04:54 <DocScrutinizer> my PC acting up
Apr 05 10:05:12 <DocScrutinizer> or "browsehttp://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Special:Search?go=Go&search=:space:" (check syntax!)
Apr 05 10:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> damn!!
Apr 05 10:05:28 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 05 10:05:37 <DocScrutinizer> or "browse\[\[:space:\]\]" (check syntax!)
Apr 05 10:06:15 <DocScrutinizer> idiotic autoreplace/autotext
Apr 05 10:06:34 <chem|st> where might I find autolock delay?
Apr 05 10:06:48 <chem|st> mean the bare config
Apr 05 10:07:00 <MohammadAG> nope, not working
Apr 05 10:07:01 <DocScrutinizer> mce.ini?
Apr 05 10:07:04 <MohammadAG> chem|st, mce.ini
Apr 05 10:07:32 <MohammadAG> hmm, or gconf
Apr 05 10:07:35 <chem|st> mmh?! not gconf?
Apr 05 10:07:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: your suspicion about messybox ""grep"" been quite to the point
Apr 05 10:08:01 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: umm, dunno
Apr 05 10:08:07 <chem|st> I found the devicelock_autolock_enabled boolean... but not the delay
Apr 05 10:08:19 <DocScrutinizer> I'd search mce.ini first, then gconf :-)
Apr 05 10:08:50 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: autolock is tied to tk_lock afaik
Apr 05 10:08:57 <MohammadAG> basically, I want to see what the stock player's browsing
Apr 05 10:09:18 <MohammadAG> the messages that are send/received on DBus are browse and browse_result
Apr 05 10:09:34 <MohammadAG> the result one includes about 700 songs, thus making it hard to scroll back and read the browse part
Apr 05 10:09:56 <MohammadAG>  dbus-monitor --session | grep -A 10 "member=browse" <-- if I add a space, I get no results at all
Apr 05 10:10:07 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: maybe not, I recall sth like "lock after 30min", even "60min"
Apr 05 10:11:19 <MohammadAG> #define GCONF_KEY_DIM_TIMEOUTS GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY "possible_display_dim_timeouts"
Apr 05 10:11:23 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-"
Apr 05 10:11:27 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: browse[^A-Za-z_\-]
Apr 05 10:11:28 <MohammadAG> #define GCONF_KEY_DISPLAY    "/system/osso/dsm/display/"
Apr 05 10:11:35 <MohammadAG> I wonder what sets that ^
Apr 05 10:11:40 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: I lock after 60 but would like something like "never" but "true"
Apr 05 10:13:45 <chem|st> is the tklock key considered to be the menu key?
Apr 05 10:13:55 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: MohammadAG posted several gconf keys relating devicelock recently
Apr 05 10:14:21 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, something sets that key
Apr 05 10:14:59 <MohammadAG> hmm
Apr 05 10:15:00 <MohammadAG>         <short>Possible timeouts for display dimming</short>
Apr 05 10:15:01 <MohammadAG> 	<long>This key contains the allowed values for display dimming timeout.
Apr 05 10:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: remember? we discussed if reflashing resets the autolock-enabled
Apr 05 10:15:14 <MohammadAG> normal gconf schema sets it
Apr 05 10:15:34 <MohammadAG> wait, I'm a bit lost now
Apr 05 10:15:50 <MohammadAG> chem|st, are we talking about tklock or device lock (with a code and all)
Apr 05 10:16:00 <chem|st> MohammadAG: devlock
Apr 05 10:16:24 <chem|st> has nothing to do with tklock (was just asking about what the tklock-switch actualy is)
Apr 05 10:16:33 <MohammadAG> then ignore every gconf key I mentioned, sec
Apr 05 10:17:35 <chem|st> [1|root@cassiopeia|~]find / -iname devlock
Apr 05 10:17:36 <chem|st> /var/lib/gconf/system/systemui/devlock
Apr 05 10:17:43 <chem|st> that is the boolean
Apr 05 10:17:51 <chem|st> or there is only a boolean
Apr 05 10:17:52 <MohammadAG> /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock/autolock_period
Apr 05 10:17:54 <MohammadAG> is what you want
Apr 05 10:18:07 <chem|st> ah applet (wtf)
Apr 05 10:18:10 <MohammadAG> int, minutes, 1000 = disabled
Apr 05 10:18:39 <chem|st> why does 1000 disable?
Apr 05 10:20:00 <MohammadAG> seems like invalid = disable
Apr 05 10:20:31 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock
Apr 05 10:20:57 <MohammadAG> wow, stupid applet
Apr 05 10:20:59 <DocScrutinizer> just for your convenience
Apr 05 10:21:18 <MohammadAG> it stores the previous setting, and if you cancel the dialog it sets that again
Apr 05 10:21:24 <MohammadAG> instead of just storing it locally
Apr 05 10:21:47 <DocScrutinizer> wow, how stupid
Apr 05 10:22:09 <chem|st> ehrm wut?
Apr 05 10:23:07 <drackk> so how do i get files from pc to n900?
Apr 05 10:23:08 <chem|st> so actualy not int but byte (I do not get why people name stuff or use variables that are useless)
Apr 05 10:23:14 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: see gconftool-2 -R /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-devicelock - orig_*
Apr 05 10:23:27 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: usb ssh webserver
Apr 05 10:24:30 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: ??
Apr 05 10:24:40 <chem|st> so it is actualy setting "off" twice, once by boolean and once by an invalid period
Apr 05 10:24:48 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: sry
Apr 05 10:24:59 <chem|st> drackk: usb ssh webserver
Apr 05 10:25:20 <drackk> on windows?
Apr 05 10:25:26 <chem|st> yeah
Apr 05 10:25:38 <drackk> whats it called
Apr 05 10:25:52 <chem|st> drackk: usbmassstorage should give you a device letter or two
Apr 05 10:26:37 <drackk> no
Apr 05 10:26:48 <chem|st> make sure you have all apps closed so MyDocs is not busy or it will not export drives
Apr 05 10:27:03 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: appletactive = false
Apr 05 10:27:53 <drackk> ok  worksnow
Apr 05 10:28:01 <drackk> working
Apr 05 10:28:06 <chem|st> I am wondering what happens if I set that true
Apr 05 10:28:11 <chem|st> drackk: ;)
Apr 05 10:28:46 * DocScrutinizer frowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 1
Apr 05 10:31:26 <user_> Hey guys! Im on a N900 and I cant save attachments. Theres no save attach in my email menu even though the attachment icon is visible in the index page.
Apr 05 10:31:52 <drackk> im in mass storage mode where the heck is my documents folder
Apr 05 10:31:54 <drackk> ?
Apr 05 10:31:58 <user_> Can you recommend a way to work around or fix this bug or should i just switch MUAÄ
Apr 05 10:32:09 <DocScrutinizer> drackk: .documents
Apr 05 10:32:14 <drackk> oh
Apr 05 10:32:21 <drackk> cool thanks
Apr 05 10:32:36 <user_> This is preventing me from both viewing and saving attachments.
Apr 05 10:33:14 <DocScrutinizer> user_: could you click and hold the attachment icon?
Apr 05 10:33:19 <chem|st> drackk: there are some .xxxxxx folders mapped to what you see as Documents Audio Files et.al.
Apr 05 10:33:56 <DocScrutinizer> drackk: that's a Nokia invention to make life more easy for you :-P
Apr 05 10:34:51 <drackk> i dont know what you mean
Apr 05 10:35:04 <DocScrutinizer> never mind
Apr 05 10:35:23 <drackk> pk
Apr 05 10:35:26 <drackk> ok
Apr 05 10:35:28 <user_> Doc: nope
Apr 05 10:35:46 <user_> the only menu in the index page is delete and mark as unread
Apr 05 10:36:35 <user_> basically, this bug makes my mua useless to me. i need a working modern imap mua, if i can replace the default broken one im ok w that too
Apr 05 10:39:22 <MohammadAG> * DocScrutinizer frowns about /apps/osso/applet/osso-applet-display/inhibit_blank_mode = 1
Apr 05 10:39:31 <MohammadAG> that has other values (1-4), lemme find the thread
Apr 05 10:39:35 <MohammadAG> it's undocumented though
Apr 05 10:40:26 <chem|st> touching the settings once makes the orgi_devlock 60 (was 1000)
Apr 05 10:41:23 <user_> i tried claws but its not very finger friendly, is there any other imap mail client on maemo?
Apr 05 10:41:31 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, http://lists.maemo.org/pipermail/maemo-developers/2010-May/026195.html
Apr 05 10:42:09 <MohammadAG> if the link's not working (can't refresh it) http://www.gossamer-threads.com/lists/maemo/developers/61201#61201
Apr 05 10:42:25 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: cool, thanks
Apr 05 10:43:58 <chem|st> user_: tapping the attachment opens it WFM; save attachement from menu WFM
Apr 05 10:44:05 <chem|st> user_: what kind of attachemnt is it
Apr 05 10:46:48 <pupnik> https://developer.mozilla.org/@api/deki/files/2922/=skewed-google-sample.html   << skewing webpages with html
Apr 05 10:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> user_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects
Apr 05 10:52:15 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: seems this depends a lot on type of attachment
Apr 05 10:52:18 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: mutt...
Apr 05 10:52:33 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: yeah just found one not accessible
Apr 05 10:52:37 <DocScrutinizer> is mutt fingerfriendly?
Apr 05 10:52:44 <chem|st> sure
Apr 05 10:53:05 <khorben_> if your fingers are on a keyboard, no problem
Apr 05 10:53:12 <chem|st> just map the common keys to the xterm bottom and you are good ;)
Apr 05 10:53:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, tbh I never felt like managing my mail on N900, so I have no real clue
Apr 05 10:53:59 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: ssh me@server -> screen -> mutt|irssi
Apr 05 10:54:04 <khorben_> I may port my embedded e-mail client to maemo, but it's pop3 only atm
Apr 05 10:54:27 <chem|st> what does modest upstream do?
Apr 05 10:54:36 <chem|st> is there any progress?
Apr 05 10:54:37 <khorben_> http://www.defora.org/os/download/download/3487/DeforaOS-Mailer-01.png
Apr 05 10:54:41 <MohammadAG> if anyone's interested: http://pastebin.com/raw.php?i=5PHVfTUe
Apr 05 10:54:47 <MohammadAG> how automatic playlists in the stock player work
Apr 05 10:54:59 <DocScrutinizer> modest upstream progress? MUHAHA
Apr 05 10:55:51 <MohammadAG> actually, modest is 3.4 on PR1.2, 3.90 upstream
Apr 05 10:55:56 <MohammadAG> and that's what the CSSU includes
Apr 05 10:56:02 <MohammadAG> PR1.3*
Apr 05 10:56:47 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: that's great! will you put it on wiki, lazy bugger?!
Apr 05 10:57:22 * ruskie wonders if he is supposed to get any email confirmation for access to extras-devel upload
Apr 05 10:57:39 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (playlists that is)
Apr 05 10:59:11 <drackk> requested operation requirerssuper user priveleges
Apr 05 10:59:34 <drackk> and i typed sudo gain root
Apr 05 11:00:19 <drackk> dpkg -i kernel-power_2.6.28-maemo46-wl1_armel.deb            requested operation requires super user priveleges
Apr 05 11:00:38 <drackk> but i tped sudo gainroot
Apr 05 11:00:53 <drackk> what am i doing wrong?
Apr 05 11:01:53 <DocScrutinizer> type id
Apr 05 11:02:30 <drackk> ok
Apr 05 11:03:35 <drackk> uid=29999(user) gid=29999(users)
Apr 05 11:03:42 <DocScrutinizer> :nod:
Apr 05 11:03:58 <DocScrutinizer> install rootsh in app manager
Apr 05 11:03:58 <drackk> huh?
Apr 05 11:04:03 <drackk> k
Apr 05 11:04:27 <drackk> how?
Apr 05 11:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> bth you frequently want to use `root` instead of `sudo gainroot`
Apr 05 11:05:47 <DocScrutinizer> neither of both will work if rootsh package not installed
Apr 05 11:06:16 <trx> hello
Apr 05 11:06:16 <zaleb> Hay trx leuk dat je wat zegt
Apr 05 11:06:39 <DocScrutinizer> drackk: hope you arew prepared to reflash *frequently*, as rootsh gives you power to fsckup system a lot
Apr 05 11:06:58 <trx> DocScrutinizer any news about headset signals?
Apr 05 11:07:56 <drackk> how do i get it into app manager?
Apr 05 11:08:03 <DocScrutinizer> zaleb: official warning! you're under bot evaluation now! We need a statement so you will pass Turing test
Apr 05 11:08:25 <DocScrutinizer> zaleb: this is a test with timeout
Apr 05 11:08:49 <DocScrutinizer> zaleb: failing test will result in you getting kickbanned
Apr 05 11:08:51 <trx> hello
Apr 05 11:08:51 <zaleb> Hay trx leuk dat je wat zegt
Apr 05 11:09:11 <trx> :)
Apr 05 11:09:53 <DocScrutinizer> trx: not yet
Apr 05 11:10:40 <chem|st> drackk: menu (top left corner) - App. manager
Apr 05 11:11:30 <trx> btw, turns out, i cant use usb to parallel to control individual data lines without some ugly hardware work-arrounds :/
Apr 05 11:11:37 <drackk> i dont see rootsh in app manager
Apr 05 11:11:58 <trx> so i decided to use usb direcly with PIC18F4550
Apr 05 11:12:41 <trx> but i have to wait at least a week for it :/
Apr 05 11:13:15 <trx> turns out you can literaly do anything with the n900
Apr 05 11:13:24 <trx> it can cook lunch :)
Apr 05 11:14:01 <drackk> no rootsh dude
Apr 05 11:14:03 <DocScrutinizer> n900 make me coffe!
Apr 05 11:14:18 <trx> that will be my next project :)
Apr 05 11:14:35 <trx> shouldnt be too hard, even for me :)
Apr 05 11:16:28 <drackk> what is maemo5?
Apr 05 11:16:49 <trx> seriously?
Apr 05 11:16:52 <DocScrutinizer> maemo5 == fremantle == the current N900 official OS
Apr 05 11:17:09 <drackk> oh then i should upgrade?
Apr 05 11:17:32 <DocScrutinizer> you can't have any non-5 maemo on N900
Apr 05 11:17:35 <FIQ> hm
Apr 05 11:17:56 <drackk> maemo5 is in app manager though
Apr 05 11:18:04 <FIQ> nice when you get highlights but when the line is gone from scrollback
Apr 05 11:18:25 <DocScrutinizer> that's an update of maemo5-PR1.0xy to probably maemo5-PR1.3
Apr 05 11:18:35 <DocScrutinizer> and yes, you probably should update that
Apr 05 11:18:48 <drackk> k
Apr 05 11:20:25 <DocScrutinizer> or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster that SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )
Apr 05 11:20:51 <DocScrutinizer> s/that /than /
Apr 05 11:20:51 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster than SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )
Apr 05 11:29:00 <DocScrutinizer> shaky net?
Apr 05 11:29:19 <pupnik> heh
Apr 05 11:30:08 * pupnik is trying to understand how this game is updating to screen
Apr 05 11:30:25 <pupnik> it refreshes the whole screen every frame, when only a few pixels are animated
Apr 05 11:31:06 <pupnik> so it really should be a good candidate for portable play
Apr 05 11:31:14 <pupnik> since it doesn't need to update much
Apr 05 11:32:02 <drackk> how do i get rootsh ?
Apr 05 11:34:14 <MohammadAG> may I suggest you read the manual?
Apr 05 11:34:40 <yacc> drackk, you put extras in your repository list, and install the package of your choice. Alternatively google it?
Apr 05 11:34:57 <drackk> rootsh  then whats the repo
Apr 05 11:35:15 <MohammadAG> the repo is enabled on all N900s post 1.1
Apr 05 11:35:26 <MohammadAG> read the manual or google it
Apr 05 11:35:28 <drackk> and where is the repo lists on the n900
Apr 05 11:35:36 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, but drackk has 1.0 :-P
Apr 05 11:35:55 <MohammadAG> then upgrade
Apr 05 11:36:13 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-04-05 13:20:45] <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: or better reflash right now, with most current image which *is* 1.3, and is way faster than SSU update, also will teach you how to flash when you borked system by messing with kernel (i.e. tomorrow ;-D )
Apr 05 11:37:53 <DocScrutinizer> what's the (irssi?) /foo bar boo cmd to "hide join/nick events"?
Apr 05 11:39:09 <DocScrutinizer> /partymode yup ??
Apr 05 11:39:47 <ruskie> /ignore * JOINS NICKS
Apr 05 11:39:54 <DocScrutinizer> thnks
Apr 05 11:41:14 <MohammadAG> real	0m39.290s
Apr 05 11:41:14 <MohammadAG> user	2m1.450s
Apr 05 11:41:14 <MohammadAG> sys	0m8.200s
Apr 05 11:41:22 <MohammadAG> mediaplayer build times ^
Apr 05 11:42:19 <DocScrutinizer> meh
Apr 05 11:43:32 <MohammadAG> indeed
Apr 05 11:43:39 <MohammadAG> hey RevdKathy
Apr 05 11:43:55 <DocScrutinizer> ruskie: my konversations seems doesn't act too nicely on /ignore * (whatever)
Apr 05 11:44:20 <DocScrutinizer> wwoohoo RevdKathy long time no see
Apr 05 11:45:06 <user_> my 3g connection is shit
Apr 05 11:45:13 <user_> i dont know if i got any replies
Apr 05 11:45:42 <DocScrutinizer> http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog
Apr 05 11:46:32 <user_> i still cant view or save attachments in maemo. same email works fine in thunderbird, sylpheed and mutt
Apr 05 11:46:47 <user_> it seems to be rfc compliant. how to fix this bug?
Apr 05 11:47:32 <DocScrutinizer> user_: MohammadAG stated about modest upstream is 3.9 instead 3.4
Apr 05 11:47:51 <MohammadAG> he's also getting segfaults for no reason
Apr 05 11:48:01 <DocScrutinizer> I doubt this is going to fix a lot of modest borkedness
Apr 05 11:48:33 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
Apr 05 11:48:41 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-04-05 13:48:16] --> jayne hat den Kanal betreten (~jayne@freenode/staff/jayne).
Apr 05 11:48:42 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-04-05 13:48:16] <-- jayne hat den Server verlassen (Excess Flood).
Apr 05 11:48:49 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 05 11:49:33 <DocScrutinizer> seems freenode has a fun time today
Apr 05 11:49:56 <trx> haha
Apr 05 11:51:40 <ruskie> DocScrutinizer, has had it for most of the last two days
Apr 05 11:54:19 * DocScrutinizer curses Konversation for obviously not providing any user cmd or toolbar shortcut for "[X] hide JOIN/QUIT/NICK evens" in settings
Apr 05 11:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> actually whole KDE is (and always has been) flawed regarding kbd-hotkeys for stepping thru treeview selectors like in Konversation's settings dialog
Apr 05 11:58:23 <DocScrutinizer> as well as not providing a method to definitely SET or UNSET instead of just *toggle* and [X]checkbox
Apr 05 12:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> s/ and / any /
Apr 05 12:01:43 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: as well as not providing a method to definitely SET or UNSET instead of just *toggle* any [X]checkbox
Apr 05 12:02:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, I guess that's OT here and should go to #kde
Apr 05 12:02:34 <range> act
Apr 05 12:02:36 <range> Grr.
Apr 05 12:03:03 <DocScrutinizer> haha, the . is nice :-)
Apr 05 12:04:24 <range> Sure. Always form complete sentences. Even when using onomatopoeia.
Apr 05 12:05:01 <DocScrutinizer> nonono, I won't search wikipedia for onomatopoeia
Apr 05 12:06:24 <SpeedEvil> It's the sound the Onomatopeia bird makes.
Apr 05 12:06:32 <crashanddie_> DocScrutinizer, easy, it's the scripted representation of a sound
Apr 05 12:06:51 <crashanddie_> DocScrutinizer, "Tic tac" is the onomatopoeia of a clock
Apr 05 12:07:25 <crashanddie_> "Woosh" is the onomatopoeia of this conversation going over redneck's heads.
Apr 05 12:07:36 <DocScrutinizer51> sure, gathered as much. But I seem to recall funny things on wikipedia about it
Apr 05 12:08:27 <user_> doc: is it available in maemo repos?
Apr 05 12:09:13 <MohammadAG> lol, my first attempt at playlists resulted in 7602981 songs :)
Apr 05 12:09:30 <user_> i cant use my phopne to handle email, its near useless to me with this bug
Apr 05 12:09:45 <user_> so a sollution is much appreciated, if available
Apr 05 12:10:26 <chem|st> !moan
Apr 05 12:10:37 <chem|st> ~moan
Apr 05 12:10:38 <infobot> ohhhhhhhh, ahhhhhh, oh yes, tpa, again, ohh.......
Apr 05 12:10:50 <crashanddie_> user_, get a real nickname, and port some decent email client to maemo, I'd say
Apr 05 12:12:03 <user_> crash: i dont understand, maemo has no working mua now?
Apr 05 12:12:16 <crashanddie_> mua?
Apr 05 12:12:18 <crashanddie_> Mail user agent?
Apr 05 12:12:23 <DocScrutinizer> mail user agent
Apr 05 12:12:28 <user_> yes
Apr 05 12:12:35 <crashanddie_> is that the nerd speak for "mail client"?
Apr 05 12:13:03 <crashanddie_> Anyway, things seem to be working relatively OK through IMAP, but it's a network hog
Apr 05 12:13:06 <DocScrutinizer> user_: xchat has a pretty easy config menu, to set up proper nickname and real user name
Apr 05 12:13:08 <user_> i guess
Apr 05 12:13:27 <crashanddie_> dunno about your specifics, only read your moaning and extrapolated from that
Apr 05 12:13:43 <crashanddie_> oh, good memories that one
Apr 05 12:13:52 <DocScrutinizer> well, modest is notorious to be crap
Apr 05 12:13:58 <crashanddie_> The last one who pulled that joke on me is still banned IIRC.
Apr 05 12:14:12 <MohammadAG> what joke?
Apr 05 12:14:19 <crashanddie_> "/nick arealnick"
Apr 05 12:14:23 <arealnick> thats not my problem though. my phone doesnt handle email w attachment is my problem.
Apr 05 12:14:45 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 05 12:14:58 <arealnick> what is this "modest"?
Apr 05 12:14:59 <crashanddie_> You mean as in bug #10206
Apr 05 12:15:01 <povbot`> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/10206 Email Attachment not visible if multipart/alternative mime types present
Apr 05 12:15:01 <scoobertron> crashanddie_: An mua can be more lightweight than a mail client - it doesn't necessarily handle sending or receiving mail.
Apr 05 12:15:07 <MohammadAG> it's the default "MUA"
Apr 05 12:15:08 <DocScrutinizer> I tend to set user_ on banlist
Apr 05 12:15:24 <DocScrutinizer> not *this* particular user_, but the nick
Apr 05 12:15:38 <arealnick> mohammad: yes! that is the problem
Apr 05 12:16:01 <crashanddie_> that wasn't MohammadAG, that was me.
Apr 05 12:16:04 <crashanddie_> Also, l2g
Apr 05 12:16:15 <arealnick> l2g?
Apr 05 12:16:19 <crashanddie_> learn to google
Apr 05 12:16:32 <MohammadAG> wtf    string "(|(&(!(genre~audiobook))(!(genre~podcast)))(genre=))"
Apr 05 12:16:39 <DocScrutinizer> duh, is that one of *my* tickets even?
Apr 05 12:17:02 <MohammadAG> didn't we fix that in the CSSU?
Apr 05 12:17:05 <crashanddie_> "This has been fixed in package
Apr 05 12:17:05 <crashanddie_> modest 3.4.7+0m5
Apr 05 12:17:05 <crashanddie_> which is part of the internal build version
Apr 05 12:17:05 <crashanddie_> 2010.28-7
Apr 05 12:17:05 <crashanddie_> (Note: 2010 is the year, and the number after is the week.)"
Apr 05 12:17:24 <MohammadAG> or add it, then reverse it
Apr 05 12:17:31 <crashanddie_> "The problem reported here should be fixed in the update that was released today
Apr 05 12:17:31 <crashanddie_> for public: The Maemo5 update version 20.2010.36-2 (also called "PR1.3"
Apr 05 12:17:31 <crashanddie_> sometimes)."
Apr 05 12:17:47 <DocScrutinizer> hmpf no. not reported by me, though I noticed it like in january 2010
Apr 05 12:18:20 <arealnick> can i upgrade to that package version?
Apr 05 12:18:32 <crashanddie_> arealnick, what PR are you running?
Apr 05 12:18:48 <arealnick> PR?
Apr 05 12:19:15 <DocScrutinizer> maemo version
Apr 05 12:19:27 <DocScrutinizer> settings -> about
Apr 05 12:19:34 <arealnick> hang on
Apr 05 12:20:04 * MohammadAG hangs himself
Apr 05 12:20:23 <MohammadAG> mafw playlist stuff is fucking retarded/non-human readable
Apr 05 12:20:23 * DocScrutinizer plays hangman
Apr 05 12:20:27 <arealnick> 20.2010 36
Apr 05 12:20:32 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG, it is?
Apr 05 12:20:36 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG, I thought it was OK
Apr 05 12:20:42 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, explain this to me
Apr 05 12:20:43 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG, you still haven't released?
Apr 05 12:20:46 <arealnick> -2 also at end
Apr 05 12:21:04 <chem|st> bingo
Apr 05 12:21:25 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, this is a filter,    string "(|(genre~\2Aaudiobook\2A)(genre~\2Apodcast\2A))"
Apr 05 12:21:38 <crashanddie_> yeah, and?
Apr 05 12:21:43 <arealnick> i have updated every time it asked me
Apr 05 12:21:46 <MohammadAG> what does it mean/represent?
Apr 05 12:22:07 <crashanddie_> MohammadAG, it's a filter on the type audiobook or podcast
Apr 05 12:22:10 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: yyou might want to check modest version
Apr 05 12:22:24 <MohammadAG> and yes, I still haven't released, the january release deadline was impossible :P
Apr 05 12:22:31 <crashanddie_> it wasn't impossible
Apr 05 12:22:35 <crashanddie_> you had everything you needed bru
Apr 05 12:22:43 <crashanddie_> Even if january was impossible, we're april
Apr 05 12:22:45 <arealnick> doc, sry i just use the phone dont know much about it
Apr 05 12:23:08 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, I have other things to do
Apr 05 12:23:13 <arealnick> theres no working email client in my current version, right?
Apr 05 12:23:15 <crashanddie_> No you don't, you're a student!
Apr 05 12:23:25 <MohammadAG> yeah, last year at high school :p
Apr 05 12:23:37 <MohammadAG> I think we do stuff in that year
Apr 05 12:23:56 <crashanddie_> well, that stuff obviously wasn't as important as the media player
Apr 05 12:24:01 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: modest is really what the name suggests: modest in regard of features
Apr 05 12:24:08 <MohammadAG> regardless
Apr 05 12:24:08 <arealnick> how do I update to modest?
Apr 05 12:24:15 <MohammadAG> it's done now, except playlists
Apr 05 12:24:18 <MohammadAG> automated playlists
Apr 05 12:24:23 <MohammadAG> saved ones are done
Apr 05 12:24:24 <arealnick> oh its a program?
Apr 05 12:24:28 <crashanddie_> arealnick, yeah
Apr 05 12:24:42 <crashanddie_> automated playlists?
Apr 05 12:24:48 <arealnick> aha. replace the nonworking mua?
Apr 05 12:24:51 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: modest is the stock MUA
Apr 05 12:25:24 <arealnick> Oh. Ok. I cant find any updates for it in the app manager
Apr 05 12:25:30 <crashanddie_> because there aren't?
Apr 05 12:26:12 <MohammadAG> crashanddie_, recently played, most played, never played, etc
Apr 05 12:26:17 <MohammadAG> [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~/mediaplayer] > cat `find -name "*.cpp"  && find -name "*.h"` | wc -l
Apr 05 12:26:18 <MohammadAG> 9642
Apr 05 12:26:29 <arealnick> i dont get it.
Apr 05 12:26:34 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: crashanddie_ quoted (from that bmo ticket) that the problem you are facing is supposed to be fixed in modest 3.4.7+0m5 which should ship with your current PR
Apr 05 12:27:19 <arealnick> let me check the version
Apr 05 12:27:59 <arealnick> it says 3.4.8+0m5
Apr 05 12:28:09 <arealnick> and its still broken
Apr 05 12:28:18 * chem|st is changing his He-cooling-rig adsorber - 5.5Ghz FTW
Apr 05 12:29:23 <arealnick> i havent had working email since switching to n900 from my old decade old phone (symbian, it had working email)
Apr 05 12:29:54 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: most users consider modest to be crap
Apr 05 12:30:40 <arealnick> it is obviously. email w mime isnt exactly new. you cant sell a smartphone wo it today
Apr 05 12:30:43 <DocScrutinizer> I never bothered to find a better MUA, heard some users prefer claws
Apr 05 12:30:49 <arealnick> well, nokia can obviously
Apr 05 12:31:11 <arealnick> claws is useless w fingers.
Apr 05 12:31:37 <DocScrutinizer> there's definitely no replace... duh said that before
Apr 05 12:31:48 <arealnick> i like everything else, but i really need email
Apr 05 12:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> [2011-04-05 12:50:53] <DocScrutinizer> user_: modest is rather useless. I dunno of any other mua that's really better in all aspects
Apr 05 12:32:47 <arealnick> why cant nokia make a usable mua?
Apr 05 12:32:50 <DocScrutinizer> "all aspects" includes "fingerfriendly"
Apr 05 12:33:00 <arealnick> they been around on phones since 2000
Apr 05 12:33:15 <crashanddie_> arealnick, because Nokia abandoned the N900 and Maemo over a year ago?
Apr 05 12:33:18 <arealnick> android, iphone, older symbian all have it
Apr 05 12:33:38 <arealnick> thats not a valid point since it never worked for me
Apr 05 12:33:48 <crashanddie_> arealnick, now, please get on google and start reading about the phone you just bought. You have questions, go answer them yourself
Apr 05 12:33:51 <Treibholz> arealnick: what are you missing?
Apr 05 12:33:56 <Treibholz> IDLE?
Apr 05 12:34:10 <arealnick> email w mime has been around since forever, even MS manage to make a wrking mua for winmoo 6.5
Apr 05 12:34:10 <crashanddie_> arealnick, once you're ready, you can come back, but please stop festering in this channel, understood?
Apr 05 12:34:36 * Treibholz never had a real problem with modest (except the missing IDLE)
Apr 05 12:34:39 <pupnik> well it's a valid complaint, there's just limited options
Apr 05 12:34:58 <crashanddie_> and he doesn't want to discuss those options, he's just yelling at us asking why nokia didn't do this or that
Apr 05 12:35:07 <pupnik> ah ok
Apr 05 12:35:12 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: we can't help beyond stating wat we already did. modest is crap, there's nothing (yet) that is better in all aspects
Apr 05 12:35:25 <arealnick> crash: u can understand my frustration after replacing a decade old phone i bought for 20$ w this one and it doesnt even handle mime
Apr 05 12:35:35 <crashanddie_> I do understand it
Apr 05 12:35:39 <arealnick> ok doc
Apr 05 12:35:41 <crashanddie_> but this is a community channel
Apr 05 12:35:47 <crashanddie_> and there really isn't much we can do, we're not Nokia
Apr 05 12:36:02 <Treibholz> and Nokia won't change anything.
Apr 05 12:36:07 <arealnick> such a simple and common thuing
Apr 05 12:36:28 <pupnik> use the console, luke!
Apr 05 12:36:34 <arealnick> if this was some exotic jingle implementation i would be more understanding
Apr 05 12:36:48 <Treibholz> arealnick: I haven't understood your problem, yet.
Apr 05 12:36:51 <arealnick> but no mime in 2011 is really bad
Apr 05 12:36:52 * pupnik points to the n900 keyboard.  use!
Apr 05 12:36:57 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: I'm sure you'll earn title "maemo hero of the month" if you just go and adapt a decent MUA to be fingerfriendly
Apr 05 12:37:29 <crashanddie_> pupnik, Vador goes to Luke and says "I know what you will get for Christmas" Luke "No, it's impossible", Vador: "I do know what you'll get for Christmas", Luke "No, you can't know!", Vador: "Luke, I have felt your presents"
Apr 05 12:37:45 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: ...as we are all aware modest is crap, and nobody hopes for Nokia doing anything to improve it
Apr 05 12:37:59 <arealnick> trei: the default mua cant handle mime multipart
Apr 05 12:38:02 <pupnik> HAHAHAH
Apr 05 12:38:22 <Treibholz> arealnick: a more painfull thing is, there is no way to sync the PIM-data.
Apr 05 12:38:30 <arealnick> i have never used any mua that didnt before.
Apr 05 12:38:36 <Treibholz> arealnick: ok, what does that mean?
Apr 05 12:38:51 <Treibholz> arealnick: I never had a mail I couldn't read.
Apr 05 12:39:27 <arealnick> treib: i need to view attached images and possibly a pdf
Apr 05 12:39:30 <arealnick> or save them
Apr 05 12:40:12 <DocScrutinizer> this usually works, but not for mails formated e.g. by iphone
Apr 05 12:40:17 <arealnick> treib: i dont think i can solve it anyway
Apr 05 12:40:33 <arealnick> doc: doesnt matter if they follow rfcs
Apr 05 12:40:48 <DocScrutinizer> at least that's what I found like 14 months ago
Apr 05 12:41:01 <arealnick> ive parsed these emails before thinking there was an error, but no. its this mua thats broken
Apr 05 12:41:30 <Treibholz> arealnick: I can open attached Files...
Apr 05 12:41:36 <Treibholz> no problem...
Apr 05 12:41:49 <arealnick> doesnt help me
Apr 05 12:42:07 <DocScrutinizer> yes. modest refused (IIRC) do show and cope with attachments embedded in a multipart-mixed html part
Apr 05 12:42:43 <GeneralAntilles> DocScrutinizer: GAN900's here most of the time. :P
Apr 05 12:42:56 <Treibholz> works perfectly here.
Apr 05 12:42:58 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 05 12:43:34 <Treibholz> I can open the attached PDF in a multipa/alternativ Mail which has HTML and TXT
Apr 05 12:43:37 <arealnick> treib: good for u
Apr 05 12:43:47 <arealnick> i cannot
Apr 05 12:43:52 <Treibholz> sent by outlook.
Apr 05 12:44:15 <Treibholz> with proper mimetypes.
Apr 05 12:44:34 <arealnick> this mail has proper mimetypes too, im sure
Apr 05 12:44:42 <arealnick> last time i checked
Apr 05 12:44:49 <Treibholz> arealnick: but you may send me a test-mail.
Apr 05 12:44:50 <DocScrutinizer> Treibholz: yes, unless this multipart/alternative got sent by iPhone which soes some weird thing that breaks just on modest
Apr 05 12:44:54 <arealnick> also claws does open it fine on phone too
Apr 05 12:45:36 <Treibholz> arealnick: treibholz-arealnick(at)uxix(dot)de
Apr 05 12:45:44 <arealnick> treib: cannot, this isnt public information
Apr 05 12:46:02 <arealnick> i only use this phone for work.
Apr 05 12:46:11 <Treibholz> so, you cannot reproduce it either?
Apr 05 12:46:11 <crashanddie_> then get a real phone from work
Apr 05 12:46:24 <crashanddie_> don't tell me they don't provide blackberries or something?
Apr 05 12:46:38 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: the failing mail has proper mimetypes too, but a flawed nesting
Apr 05 12:47:18 <arealnick> treib: no, all I know is that emails that follow standards and can be opened in mutt, thunderbird, outlook, iphone, android, symbian, etc do not work on my N900
Apr 05 12:47:33 <DocScrutinizer> YES
Apr 05 12:47:43 <arealnick> crash: i was thinking htc
Apr 05 12:47:49 <arealnick> galaxy something?
Apr 05 12:47:58 <Treibholz> arealnick: then send me such a mail.
Apr 05 12:48:00 <arealnick> but i got this just a year ago
Apr 05 12:48:16 <arealnick> treib: i cant. i dont have any w public info
Apr 05 12:48:35 <crashanddie_> arealnick, seriously, gtfo.
Apr 05 12:48:53 <crashanddie_> You don't want help, you don't want solutions, you just want to bitch and moan
Apr 05 12:48:55 <DocScrutinizer> crashanddie_: chill! though I sympathise
Apr 05 12:48:56 <arealnick> how so?
Apr 05 12:48:58 <Treibholz> arealnick: so just because you have ONE broken mail...
Apr 05 12:49:14 <arealnick> treib no this is not the first
Apr 05 12:49:37 <arealnick> so far every time i got it, i could not open
Apr 05 12:49:53 <mece> Aaaaahahaha LOL http://translate.google.com/#en|fi|Girlicious
Apr 05 12:50:00 <Treibholz> always from the same user?
Apr 05 12:50:01 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: are you listening to what I posted to you?
Apr 05 12:50:27 <arealnick> doc: can you explain the nested problem? mime supports nested parts
Apr 05 12:50:37 <crashanddie_> I deleted a very nasty sentence.
Apr 05 12:50:39 <DocScrutinizer> YES, but modest doesn't
Apr 05 12:51:00 <arealnick> ok.
Apr 05 12:51:21 <arealnick> treib: no not always
Apr 05 12:51:54 <arealnick> treib: however, last time i examined the raw email and could not find a flaw in it
Apr 05 12:52:34 <DocScrutinizer> arealnick: compare sender MUA tags
Apr 05 12:52:40 <arealnick> treib: its obiously a bug in the mua, supposedely fixed, but isnt. i dont think theres much more to say/test.
Apr 05 12:53:47 <arealnick> Doc: i appreciate the help but im gonna take crash's advice and forget about it
Apr 05 13:56:22 <chem|st> re
Apr 05 13:56:58 <chem|st> Helium is fun stuff (at least without oil dust...)
Apr 05 14:04:41 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
Apr 05 14:05:43 <chem|st> cryocompressor adsorber change
Apr 05 14:06:34 <chem|st> and I needed to vent the used adsorber 2L He @ 1500kPa
Apr 05 14:28:35 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: so devicelock locks after 60minutes even with set to 240
Apr 05 14:29:48 <chem|st> Treibholz: how is your nitdroid doing?
Apr 05 14:30:56 <chem|st> T-offline is back again
Apr 05 14:31:27 <pupnik> :)
Apr 05 14:31:29 <pupnik> http://i.imgur.com/5dxhF.jpg  << Aaron Barr  LMAO
Apr 05 14:32:36 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: change orig_* crap as well - you never know
Apr 05 14:32:57 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: orig changes itself...
Apr 05 14:33:08 <chem|st> will try... waht is the max number?
Apr 05 14:33:20 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: of course unless it works with value set to e.g. 2 but not with values >60
Apr 05 14:33:53 <chem|st> yeah... again something nowhere documented...
Apr 05 14:35:09 <DocScrutinizer> considered 'date -s "now + 58 minutes"'?
Apr 05 14:38:32 <chem|st> ?
Apr 05 14:38:43 <DocScrutinizer> gconftool-2 -set /foo/bar/timeout uint:60 && sleep 5 && date -s now+0:55
Apr 05 14:39:23 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: assuming it's boring to wait for >1h to see if device actually blanks
Apr 05 14:48:42 <chem|st> does not work
Apr 05 14:52:14 <DocScrutinizer> :-/ hmm, thought it'd be worth a try
Apr 05 14:52:57 <DocScrutinizer> no idea how kernel's timers actually are implemented
Apr 05 14:52:58 <Treibholz> chem|st: needs too much battery and is too slow from the MicroSD.
Apr 05 14:53:32 <Treibholz> chem|st: but really fast compared to meego... (and some things are even faste than maemo)
Apr 05 14:53:45 <DocScrutinizer> thought I've seen screen dim and lock inadvertedly when I ran some time adjusting tool
Apr 05 14:59:33 <DocScrutinizer> actually not, just tested->doesn't work this way
Apr 05 15:04:57 <DocScrutinizer> I think kernel has a jiffies_since_boot plus an offset to form a proper time as in ticks since epoc from that. Timers might work on jiffies_since_boot while setting time just corrects the offset constant
Apr 05 15:09:45 <poep> wtf?
Apr 05 15:12:39 <DocScrutinizer> poep: problems?
Apr 05 15:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> man 7 time seems to confirm this
Apr 05 15:37:03 <DocScrutinizer> wow, learning new things every day: cat /proc/timer_list
Apr 05 15:37:11 * RST38h yawns
Apr 05 15:37:14 <RST38h> Moorning, Doc
Apr 05 15:38:48 <chem|st> morning RST38h
Apr 05 15:38:53 <RST38h> hello chem|st
Apr 05 15:39:27 <chem|st> Treibholz: the fact that you are mostly tied to the G is a big turnoff
Apr 05 15:40:48 <DocScrutinizer> moo RST38h
Apr 05 15:40:54 <DocScrutinizer> cat /proc/timer_list|grep -A 1 bme  :-S
Apr 05 15:41:26 <DocScrutinizer> piece of c*ap
Apr 05 15:43:18 <RST38h> ah you are so damn negative...
Apr 05 15:43:42 * RST38h wondering where he can get a non-SDHC SD card nowadays,on a very short order (an hour)
Apr 05 15:43:45 <pupnik> funny how the n900 charges but the charging light doesn't come on
Apr 05 15:43:59 <SpeedEvil> RST38h: Well - if you can collect, you can have my 1G card.
Apr 05 15:44:11 <chem|st> RST38h: <2GB == SD!HC
Apr 05 15:44:16 <RST38h> I know
Apr 05 15:44:26 <chem|st> even 2GB is SD!HC
Apr 05 15:44:26 <RST38h> Unless they started making them all SDHC just in case
Apr 05 15:44:39 <chem|st> I doubt it
Apr 05 15:44:47 <chem|st> they just call it sdhc
Apr 05 15:45:05 <RST38h> Also, I *think* the device uses SPI-mode access to the cards, so even SDHC might work
Apr 05 15:45:14 <chem|st> maybe some tiny cards are
Apr 05 15:45:57 <RST38h> chem: SDHC actually does not simply mean bigger capacity. There are some changes to command set and addressing involved. So, yes, you may have a <=2GB SDHC card, in principle
Apr 05 15:46:28 <DocScrutinizer> you bet there are
Apr 05 15:46:29 <chem|st> sure but you just don't need it for a 2GB chip
Apr 05 15:46:40 <DocScrutinizer> uBoot doesn't boot systems on SDHC
Apr 05 15:46:45 <DocScrutinizer> on FR
Apr 05 15:46:59 <DocScrutinizer> used to not...
Apr 05 15:47:02 <RST38h> you have got the same controller chips anyway
Apr 05 15:47:06 <DocScrutinizer> guess it's fixed now
Apr 05 15:47:11 <DocScrutinizer> yep
Apr 05 15:47:46 <RST38h> Doc: A well behaved card should fall back to SD mode. At least my model does :)
Apr 05 15:47:56 <chem|st> well if they changed the design to sdhc and just swapped the chips for size then it is all sdhc
Apr 05 15:48:10 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: obvioulsy they can't
Apr 05 15:48:18 <chem|st> my usbstick doesnt
Apr 05 15:48:23 <DocScrutinizer> heard there are issues in addressing format
Apr 05 15:48:27 <RST38h> Doc: But the real fun starts with SDIO. Do you know for example that Linux will not use any flash memory on the SDIO card?
Apr 05 15:48:41 <chem|st> ?
Apr 05 15:48:59 <RST38h> Doc: no, when it is operating in the SD mode, the addressing should happen in bytes, like in all SD cards, not in 512-byte blocks as in SDHC
Apr 05 15:49:18 <chem|st> get an sdio controller is the first trick
Apr 05 15:49:39 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: that's fine for cards small enough so you can actually address in bytes
Apr 05 15:49:47 <chem|st> I was looking into wifi sdio cards for dslr but you need an sdio capable controller to set it up...
Apr 05 15:50:08 <DocScrutinizer> I mean there's a reason for SDHC
Apr 05 15:51:00 <DocScrutinizer> whatever, I got plenty of 512MB uSD here ;-D
Apr 05 15:52:21 <RST38h> Doc: As I said, the main change in SDHC vs SD is the block addressing
Apr 05 15:52:50 <RST38h> Doc: But the card should fall back to byte addressing if the high-capacity feature has not been negotiated with the controller
Apr 05 15:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> and calypsoFW flashing via uSD works on uSD but evidently not on uSDHC, with FR NOR uBoot
Apr 05 15:53:18 <RST38h> Ah, now you are talking
Apr 05 15:53:55 <DocScrutinizer> though on both cards we flash same MBR/partiton table and rootfs
Apr 05 15:54:06 <DocScrutinizer> of IIRC 256MB size
Apr 05 15:54:06 <RST38h> Anyway, looks like I will have to go out buy the damn card =(
Apr 05 15:54:43 <RST38h> The u- and m- in uSD/mSD mean nothing, just the size
Apr 05 15:55:02 <DocScrutinizer> I'm aware of that, dude
Apr 05 15:55:05 <RST38h> The "+" in MMC+ though makes a big difference
Apr 05 15:56:03 <DocScrutinizer> had a lot of fun getting a µSD->miniSD adapter for N810
Apr 05 15:56:12 <RST38h> ahhahaha
Apr 05 15:56:23 <RST38h> cheaper to buy a separate card.
Apr 05 15:56:49 <DocScrutinizer> useless as that can't go to any of my other mobile devices
Apr 05 16:03:10 <chem|st> all my µSD cards shipped with both adaptors yet
Apr 05 16:03:44 <chem|st> and there were cheaper than bulk ones
Apr 05 16:03:59 <DocScrutinizer> I bought like 3 otherwise useless 1GB cards that came with both adapters
Apr 05 16:05:52 * RST38h looks at Doc meaningfully: any 1GB card would spare him a trip to RadioShack now
Apr 05 16:07:09 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: how about that: I plug that card to my desktop PC and you remote mount it ;-D
Apr 05 16:08:20 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: ask paul fertser, he for sure has some small SD cards as well
Apr 05 16:08:56 <DocScrutinizer> wait, Radio Shack? I gather you're not @home
Apr 05 16:09:25 <RST38h> No, US
Apr 05 16:09:45 <RST38h> I have got some older cards back in .RU,but need to do some work here
Apr 05 16:11:16 <chem|st> bb
Apr 05 16:13:30 * pupnik is an 'art student'
Apr 05 16:14:23 <troulouliou> hi i would like to know if ff7 is fully playable on n900 ?
Apr 05 16:17:27 <chem|st> ~kill devicelock_period
Apr 05 16:17:28 * infobot shoots a ionized quark gun at devicelock_period
Apr 05 16:50:28 <MohammadAG> chem|st, tbh, instead of wasting time trying to see how to change it, I'd disable it completely and make a daemon that sleeps for $time then locks the device
Apr 05 16:59:31 <DocScrutinizer> hah, good point
Apr 05 17:00:55 <DocScrutinizer> just such a daemon needs to sense all activities that are supposed to reset the lock-timeout timer
Apr 05 17:06:51 <crashanddie_> "Nasdaq shift to lighten Apple's weighting"
Apr 05 17:07:00 <crashanddie_> Am I the only one who misread that the first time?
Apr 05 17:13:44 <OkropNick> how can I execute program while logged as root with 'user' privilages?
Apr 05 17:15:44 <yacc> OkropNick, as on any Unix/Linux:
Apr 05 17:16:01 <yacc> OkropNick, su -c "program argument argument" user
Apr 05 17:16:14 <OkropNick> yacc: thanx
Apr 05 17:17:14 <yacc> OkropNick, for the N900 it's really useful to have an Ubuntu or Debian host (or at least VM), so you can read man pages or stuff. OTOH man pages should be googleable.
Apr 05 17:17:43 <OkropNick> I don't even have Windows, only Linux
Apr 05 17:27:00 <OkropNick> It not helped me. I need to run command from fcron that is sending text message, but probably root can not privilages to write to my x session or something. I'm trying to use 'dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=org.freedesktop.Notifications /org/freedesktop/Notifications org.freedesktop.Notifications.SystemNoteDialog string:"some text" uint32:0 string:"OK"' - but i have error ''Failed to open connection to "session" message bus: (null)" - any
Apr 05 17:27:00 <OkropNick>  hints?
Apr 05 17:37:23 <luke-jr> )#%*
Apr 05 17:38:00 <luke-jr> just got a SMS from T-Mobile: "Sidekick data services will end of 5/31 and all data on phone will be lost. Please call 611 to discuss options for new data services."
Apr 05 17:52:11 <OkropNick> ok, i found solution. command should be run with user privilages.
Apr 05 17:52:36 <OkropNick> anyone knows how to change sound volume from command  line?
Apr 05 17:53:57 <jacekows1i> pasomething
Apr 05 17:54:08 <jacekows1i> it's pulseaudio shit
Apr 05 17:57:25 <vldcnst> I think you need pulseaudio-utils
Apr 05 17:58:51 <rm_work> there's a version of Carman for N900 right? >_>
Apr 05 17:59:04 <rm_work> time to search... assumed it would be in extras, but not showing up :(
Apr 05 18:02:46 <OkropNick> thx, I'll check it
Apr 05 18:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> OkropNick: run-standalone.sh <cmd>
Apr 05 18:16:30 <OkropNick> DocScrutinizer: what's that?
Apr 05 18:17:00 <DocScrutinizer> OkropNick: root doesn't ahve access to user's session bus
Apr 05 18:17:39 <DocScrutinizer> setting volume also done via dbus-cmd to mafw iirc
Apr 05 18:18:00 <OkropNick> oh, thanks. I found that 'su - user commandname' is enough for me, but I'll check your sugestion too
Apr 05 18:18:59 <DocScrutinizer> su - will log in to the user, so environment gets restored completely. run-standalone.sh restores env without changing user aiui
Apr 05 18:20:20 <OkropNick> mhm
Apr 05 18:21:34 <DocScrutinizer> you'll find ots of useful dbus cmds at http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control
Apr 05 18:22:28 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Phone_control#Set_volume
Apr 05 18:28:57 <xd13> i got so upset when I went to maemo.org on april 1st, i knew it was a joke before even looking at the specs
Apr 05 18:31:20 <OkropNick> DocScrutinizer: thanks, that's exactly what  I need :)
Apr 05 18:37:55 <OkropNick> DocScrutinizer: Not working for me. Am I doing something wrong? dbus-send --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.mafw.renderer.Mafw-Gst-Renderer-Plugin.gstrenderer /com/nokia/mafw/renderer/gstrenderer com.nokia.mafw.extension.set_extension_property string:10 variant:uint32:50
Apr 05 18:38:33 <DocScrutinizer> string:10?
Apr 05 18:38:51 <DocScrutinizer> string:volume variant:uint32:10 !!
Apr 05 18:40:28 <OkropNick> DocScrutinizer: you're right, thanks
Apr 05 18:42:12 <OkropNick> DocScrutinizer: Last question. Now I know how to SET volume, but how to GET actual volume?
Apr 05 18:42:28 <DocScrutinizer> refresh your wikipage
Apr 05 18:46:39 * pupnik overdoses on ramen and has a heart attack
Apr 05 18:48:09 <OkropNick> thank you
Apr 05 19:08:07 <rm_work> lol maemo had an april fools day thing? :P
Apr 05 19:08:09 <rm_work> i missed it
Apr 05 19:12:02 <SpeedEvil> A fake device.
Apr 05 19:12:39 <rm_work> lol yeah
Apr 05 19:12:41 <rm_work> k
Apr 05 19:13:06 <pupnik> with 4 rows and 3 bindings per key, you can have a ton of things
Apr 05 19:15:03 <SpeedEvil> Chording only 4 keys gets you around a million keystrokes.
Apr 05 19:22:42 <pupnik> anybody smart want to help me fix-up this game client :/
Apr 05 19:23:01 <pupnik> i didn't get anything done today
Apr 05 19:46:17 <pupnik> n810 keys are painful
Apr 05 19:46:19 <pupnik> presssssss presssssssssss
Apr 05 20:09:04 <MohammadAG> alterego, do you know of a way to see where an app is hanging?
Apr 05 20:09:12 <MohammadAG> besides adding a shitload of qDebug()s :)
Apr 05 20:09:46 <MohammadAG> 11380 11367 root     R    14876  6.0 93.1 /usr/local/bin/mediaplayer <-- holy crap, must be some infinite loop
Apr 05 20:12:58 <alterego> Certianly looks like it.
Apr 05 20:13:17 <alterego> I'd run it through a debugger
Apr 05 20:14:53 <trip0> strace it
Apr 05 20:17:14 <nox-> or attach gdb? (if that works on n900)
Apr 05 20:17:32 <trip0> should work
Apr 05 20:17:36 <MohammadAG> but it's not crashing
Apr 05 20:17:38 <MohammadAG> it's hanging
Apr 05 20:18:17 <nox-> yeah you may find out where its stuck then
Apr 05 20:18:47 <MohammadAG> how, the only commands I know are r, bt, and q :P
Apr 05 20:19:06 <timeless_w7ip> bt and c are what you want
Apr 05 20:19:22 <nox-> or det instead of c (detach)
Apr 05 20:19:38 <timeless_w7ip> well plus something to send SIGSTOP
Apr 05 20:20:01 <nox-> i think gdb does that when you attach it...
Apr 05 20:20:58 <timeless_w7ip> nox: not the goal
Apr 05 20:21:02 <troulouliou> hi i m i missing something but i can not see gcc package in apt-cache search ?
Apr 05 20:21:13 <timeless_w7ip> you want to basically use 'bt' to get sample stack traces
Apr 05 20:21:26 <nox-> ah right
Apr 05 20:21:37 <timeless_w7ip> troulouliou: you need to enable a tools repo or something
Apr 05 20:21:43 <timeless_w7ip> maemo.org has documention in a devel section
Apr 05 20:22:01 <troulouliou> think i have all thse strange
Apr 05 20:22:16 <MohammadAG> how do I detach the app when I'm already running it?
Apr 05 20:22:27 <nox-> attach/bt/detach or attach/bt/c/signal/bt/c/...
Apr 05 20:23:51 <GNUtoo> hi, what's the CONFIG_ associated with the proximity sensor?
Apr 05 20:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> CONFIG_?
Apr 05 20:37:34 <DocScrutinizer> as in build_my_kernel config?
Apr 05 20:38:51 <GNUtoo> yes
Apr 05 20:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> NFC, it's a generic GPIO
Apr 05 20:39:39 <DocScrutinizer> much like kbd_slider or tkLock_switch
Apr 05 20:39:43 <GNUtoo> ok
Apr 05 20:39:45 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot
Apr 05 20:40:03 <GNUtoo> I wonder where it got added in the more recent kernels
Apr 05 20:40:34 <DocScrutinizer> path in sysfs?
Apr 05 20:41:01 <GNUtoo> maybe I'll look
Apr 05 20:41:28 <DocScrutinizer> "/sys/bus/platform/devices/proximity/state"
Apr 05 20:41:35 <DocScrutinizer> is path in sys
Apr 05 20:41:36 <GNUtoo> I'll look
Apr 05 20:41:42 <GNUtoo> thanks a lot!!!!
Apr 05 20:51:39 <troulouliou> hi my rootfs is full again after installing gcc , where can i free any mor space
Apr 05 20:54:07 <alterego> uninstall gcc
Apr 05 20:54:34 <troulouliou> na move /usr/include
Apr 05 20:55:08 <alterego> Personally, if I wanted gcc in, I'd do it in a chroot
Apr 05 20:55:14 <alterego> Probably a maemo chroot
Apr 05 20:56:24 * MohammadAG uses one
Apr 05 20:56:38 <MohammadAG> a pita for Qt apps, they take ages to compile
Apr 05 20:57:12 <alterego> Yeah
Apr 05 20:57:32 <alterego> Probably quicker to do it on my server with madde then scp it to the N900 over 3G :P
Apr 05 20:57:36 <alterego> I've done that before.
Apr 05 20:58:18 <troulouliou> alterego: how that in a chroot ?
Apr 05 20:58:19 <cehteh> hehe anyone port distcc to the n900 and let us build compiling cloud :P
Apr 05 20:58:52 <MohammadAG> alterego, even 2G :p
Apr 05 20:59:20 <alterego> troulouliou: _that_ isn't in a chroot, I'm just saying if I wanted offline compilation on my N900 I'd do it in a chroot on a micro sd or the emmc.
Apr 05 20:59:23 <MohammadAG> my mediaplayer builds in 40s, with make -j4
Apr 05 20:59:36 <alterego> MohammadAG: that's not bad at all
Apr 05 20:59:40 <MohammadAG> (on a quad core PC running @ 2.4GHz)
Apr 05 20:59:41 <alterego> What are you on about? :P
Apr 05 20:59:48 <alterego> Oh right
Apr 05 20:59:54 <alterego> How long on the N900 then? :D
Apr 05 21:00:05 <MohammadAG> 4 minutes as of two months ago
Apr 05 21:00:07 <MohammadAG> :P
Apr 05 21:00:25 <alterego> Heh
Apr 05 21:00:39 <MohammadAG> so add some other 4 minutes now
Apr 05 21:02:18 <alterego> How's your uni project going btw?
Apr 05 21:02:55 <MohammadAG> uni? it's for school :P
Apr 05 21:03:03 <alterego> Oh, I thought you were at uni :P
Apr 05 21:03:12 <alterego> How is your "school" project going :P
Apr 05 21:03:33 <MohammadAG> well, but I'm pondering a QML rewrite for the extra eye candy
Apr 05 21:03:43 <alterego> Heh
Apr 05 21:04:05 <MohammadAG> 25 days till the deadline
Apr 05 21:04:58 <MohammadAG> finishing the mediaplayer these 2 days, I need to release already
Apr 05 21:05:25 <alterego> :)
Apr 05 21:05:41 <alterego> I've been so busy over the past few months I've not touched Columbus
Apr 05 21:05:57 <alterego> And I've been super-super busy the past three weeks and barely done any work on any MeeGo/Maemo stuff.
Apr 05 21:06:01 <MohammadAG> well, you have a job, I don't :P
Apr 05 21:06:22 <alterego> Luckily I've almost completed this project/contract so I'm starting to get a bit more time.
Apr 05 21:06:50 <alterego> Gonna probably take thursday and friday off from this project whils tit gets wet tested by the users.
Apr 05 21:07:21 <MohammadAG> tit gets wet? :p
Apr 05 21:09:50 <alterego> Think I'll dedicate thursday and friday to ressurecting columbus.
Apr 05 21:10:01 <MohammadAG> heh
Apr 05 21:10:16 <MohammadAG> alterego, just wondering, do you have any improted playlists?
Apr 05 21:10:31 <alterego> I keep seeing good feedback and recommendations from users on tmo
Apr 05 21:10:45 <alterego> Makes me feel guilty from holding back on my 1.0 release :(
Apr 05 21:12:11 <alterego> How do you mean imported? I've never really used playlists.
Apr 05 21:12:29 <MohammadAG> neither have I, that's why I deleted the ones I had
Apr 05 21:12:41 <MohammadAG> alterego, start the stock player, switch to playlist view, scroll down
Apr 05 21:12:55 <MohammadAG> do you have anything under "Imported playlists"?
Apr 05 21:13:05 <MohammadAG> mafw imports them automatically if you have them
Apr 05 21:13:18 <E0x> i have
Apr 05 21:13:42 <alterego> yes I do
Apr 05 21:14:00 <MohammadAG> http://mohammadag.xceleo.org/mafw-browse-example
Apr 05 21:14:07 <alterego> from some albums that obviously have .m3u files or whatever they are.
Apr 05 21:14:30 <E0x> exactly
Apr 05 21:14:36 <Khertan_n900> Hello !
Apr 05 21:14:55 <MohammadAG> ./mafw-browse-example localtagfs::music/playlists
Apr 05 21:15:00 <MohammadAG> can you post the output of that?
Apr 05 21:15:08 <Khertan_n900> Communi is a really a simple irc client :)
Apr 05 21:15:25 <MohammadAG> yeah
Apr 05 21:16:00 <Khertan_n900> But its not bad :)
Apr 05 21:18:22 <MohammadAG> anyone? :)
Apr 05 21:18:39 <chem|st_> MohammadAG: I dont want it to lock after time but lock when the device is booted
Apr 05 21:18:49 <MohammadAG> oh
Apr 05 21:18:50 <MohammadAG> use dbus
Apr 05 21:19:01 <MohammadAG> and an event.d script
Apr 05 21:19:48 <chem|st_> MohammadAG: the setting orig_ too did at least break the 60 minutes limit
Apr 05 21:20:31 <MohammadAG> dbus-send --system --type=method_call --dest=com.nokia.system_ui /com/nokia/system_ui/request com.nokia.system_ui.request.devlock_open string:"com.nokia.mce" string:"/com/nokia/mce/request" string:"com.nokia.mce.request" string:"devlock_callback" uint32:'3'
Apr 05 21:21:20 <MohammadAG> a quick way would be to hijack hildon-desktop's Xsession.post file
Apr 05 21:22:46 <chem|st_> MohammadAG: I want to try reverse engineering the processes and write the docu but thanks anyway ;)
Apr 05 21:23:19 <MohammadAG> reverse engineer mce? good luck :P
Apr 05 21:23:31 <MohammadAG> it's mostly open now anyway
Apr 05 21:23:55 <chem|st_> for the quick this is ok but I think this should be an option in settings "Lock device on boot" "Lock device if SIM changes/has been removed
Apr 05 21:24:56 <chem|st_> dev lock is not mce but the frontend right?
Apr 05 21:25:42 <MohammadAG> you mean the applet? it just changes some gconf values
Apr 05 21:25:43 <E0x> chem|st_: that is for smscon ?
Apr 05 21:26:01 <chem|st_> the devlock remover is mce used for calls like shutdown
Apr 05 21:26:22 <chem|st_> so mce is the one actualy acting
Apr 05 21:26:26 <chem|st_> ?
Apr 05 21:26:55 <E0x> i saw the panicbutton app , and make think about a deamon that send the gps position after 3 fail code entry
Apr 05 21:27:41 <MohammadAG> yes
Apr 05 21:27:45 <MohammadAG> stop mce; start mce
Apr 05 21:27:50 <MohammadAG> it asks for the password
Apr 05 21:31:33 <Mr_Rixa> Hi, is it possible to modify low battery alarm, so it would notify like on 8%
Apr 05 21:35:00 <Khertan_n900> Is there a way to test a upstart script on maemo before rebooting my n900 ?
Apr 05 21:35:31 <MohammadAG> start $scriptname
Apr 05 22:08:47 <MohammadAG> alterego, it seems that the UI's hanging in the constructor of a window
Apr 05 22:08:49 <MohammadAG> which looks perfectly fine to me
Apr 05 22:08:53 <MohammadAG> http://pastebin.com/Y09U7iiV
Apr 05 22:11:08 <drackk> hello again
Apr 05 22:11:51 <BCMM_> why on earth did Nokia just email me trying to sell an E7?
Apr 05 22:12:17 <MohammadAG> just in case :P
Apr 05 22:12:47 <Proteous> heh
Apr 05 22:12:55 <alterego> MohammadAG: maybe your dbus adapters are hanging
Apr 05 22:13:13 <MohammadAG> alterego, nope, everything else is working
Apr 05 22:13:22 <alterego> qDebug ftw :P
Apr 05 22:13:41 <drackk> im trying to better understand flashing my new nokia n900 before i go messing with the kernel
Apr 05 22:14:19 <MohammadAG> alterego, commenting out all lines from the constructor also makes it hang
Apr 05 22:14:25 <drackk> im kinda stuck at a small part at the moment. which binfiledo ineed?
Apr 05 22:14:33 <drackk> need*
Apr 05 22:15:05 <drackk> which binfile do i need?
Apr 05 22:15:36 <alterego> MohammadAG: even the initializers at the start?
Apr 05 22:15:50 <drackk> the global bin file ?
Apr 05 22:17:05 <MohammadAG> alterego, yes
Apr 05 22:17:10 <drackk> guys ?
Apr 05 22:17:21 <MohammadAG> which makes me believe it's the .ui file
Apr 05 22:17:21 <alterego> Probably not the constructor then :P
Apr 05 22:17:28 <alterego> Very unlikely.
Apr 05 22:17:35 <MohammadAG> it is the constructor
Apr 05 22:17:42 <MohammadAG> I wrapped some lines with qDebug()
Apr 05 22:17:53 <MohammadAG> the constructor part never ends/returns
Apr 05 22:18:20 <alterego> Sounds like something else to me.
Apr 05 22:18:54 <drackk> cansomeone please assist me ?
Apr 05 22:19:16 <alterego> drackk: yes, use the global bin file.
Apr 05 22:21:02 <drackk> ok thanks. and what is the part about eMMC and FIASCO ?
Apr 05 22:21:44 <drackk> why would i want to flash those two images ?
Apr 05 22:21:52 <MohammadAG> ~flashing
Apr 05 22:21:52 <infobot> methinks flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 05 22:21:56 <MohammadAG> it's all documented nicely there
Apr 05 22:22:27 <drackk> yes im reading that rightnow and trying to make sence of that part with emmc and fiasco
Apr 05 22:22:39 <xd13> hey there hasn't been a cssu update in a lil bit right? because i know i haven't updated
Apr 05 22:24:37 <xd13> latest being 20.2010.36-2maemo13
Apr 05 22:24:44 <xd13> i hope ?
Apr 05 22:25:20 <drackk> yes 1.3 right?
Apr 05 22:25:33 <xd13> well ya 1.3 but how about cssu
Apr 05 22:25:45 <xd13> i haven't updated cssu in at least a few weeks
Apr 05 22:26:08 <xd13> thats wut i'm trying to find out if somehow i'm missing updates
Apr 05 22:26:57 <drackk> what is cssu, im new   and just got my n900 yesterday
Apr 05 22:27:05 <MohammadAG> yes, version 13
Apr 05 22:27:21 <MohammadAG> version 14 should be out this week
Apr 05 22:28:42 <drackk> can someone clear up the part about eMMC and FIASCO? why would i need to do this part?
Apr 05 22:28:50 <xd13> u don't need 2
Apr 05 22:28:54 <xd13> u can just get it over the air
Apr 05 22:28:55 <drackk> ok cool
Apr 05 22:28:55 <xd13> but
Apr 05 22:29:10 <xd13> i think its better to flash the thing fresh urself
Apr 05 22:29:32 <xd13> and cssu is the community creating updates for the n900 even though nokia is no longer providing support
Apr 05 22:29:33 <xd13> :D
Apr 05 22:29:51 <drackk> oh ok
Apr 05 22:30:22 <drackk> what do you mean flash it fresh ?
Apr 05 22:30:47 <xd13> well
Apr 05 22:30:53 <xd13> when u update its updating it
Apr 05 22:31:02 <xd13> when u flash the image its as if u formatted it
Apr 05 22:31:06 <xd13> if u flash both images
Apr 05 22:31:13 <xd13> and follow the instructions
Apr 05 22:31:34 <SpeedEvil> ~cssu
Apr 05 22:31:34 <infobot> well, cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU
Apr 05 22:36:53 <MohammadAG> alterego, ui->setupUi(this); <-- is causing the hang
Apr 05 22:37:16 <MohammadAG> so the .ui file has something wrong in it
Apr 05 23:22:21 <MohammadAG> Sigh, I give up :/
Apr 05 23:35:53 <oktopus20> hi folks
Apr 05 23:36:41 <oktopus20> can anyone  tell me how to clean  swappolube from my divace
Apr 05 23:39:00 <oktopus20> hmm anybody here
Apr 06 01:51:20 <RST38h> Mono ported to Maemo. OMFG.
Apr 06 02:28:21 <RST38h> ...The most frequently reported hallucination has been irregular clusters of iridescent red eyes watching from poorly illuminated areas, including the shadows of personnel, foliage, and in a handful of reports, the night sky.
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