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Apr 11 03:07:30 <Sazpaimon_> so like, say I have a VPN account
Apr 11 03:07:57 <Sazpaimon_> if I use this account on my phone, will it allow me to accept incoming connectons when on GPRS
Apr 11 03:08:24 <Sazpaimon_> im guessing no, because that really isnt what VPN is designed for
Apr 11 03:09:05 * GeneralAntilles facepalms
Apr 11 03:09:18 <GeneralAntilles> No wonder I can't get this damn thing in tune, they included two of the same sized strings. . . .
Apr 11 03:10:03 <chx> GeneralAntilles: you turned the N900 into a string isntrument? tell us more
Apr 11 06:38:37 <Termana> good morning
Apr 11 06:44:19 <mece> hello!
Apr 11 06:50:56 <mece> any tmo mods around?
Apr 11 08:26:18 <mece> ECHO... Echo... echo... cho... ho... o...  ...
Apr 11 08:26:56 <timeless_xchat> pooooing
Apr 11 08:27:15 * timeless_xchat grows another item @ohloh
Apr 11 08:28:53 <RST38h> A'ok, HELO everybody
Apr 11 08:28:57 <timeless_xchat> mece: what's up
Apr 11 08:29:48 <mece> timeless_xchat, not much it seems :)
Apr 11 08:30:40 <timeless_xchat> mece: do you have time to kill?
Apr 11 08:31:26 <mece> timeless_xchat, not exactly, what'd you have in mind
Apr 11 08:31:28 <mece> ?
Apr 11 08:31:29 <dneary> hi timeless_xchat
Apr 11 08:33:25 <timeless_xchat> hey
Apr 11 08:33:34 <timeless_xchat> you owe me a ping :)
Apr 11 08:33:38 <timeless_xchat> got time nowish?
Apr 11 08:33:45 * tybollt forks timeless a ping
Apr 11 08:34:02 <timeless_xchat> tybollt: pong, how's it going?
Apr 11 08:34:36 <tybollt> pretty good, and you guys? How you holding up now things are what they are?
Apr 11 08:34:58 * tybollt keeps having these silly recurring dreams of new meego HW ;-)
Apr 11 08:35:02 <timeless_xchat> well, i'm trying to get dneary to help me attend MeeGo Conference SF
Apr 11 08:35:12 <tybollt> yes, you should!
Apr 11 08:35:15 <timeless_xchat> i'm having fun otherwise
Apr 11 08:35:36 <timeless_xchat> bugs.meego.com/buglist.cgi?reporter=timeless@gmail.com
Apr 11 08:35:41 * timeless_xchat hopes that works
Apr 11 08:36:02 * timeless_xchat is running low on power and will swap batteries shortly
Apr 11 08:36:35 <timeless_xchat> btw, could someone please poke the XChat maintainer and perhaps the IME people?
Apr 11 08:36:47 <timeless_xchat> completion appears offscreen right
Apr 11 08:36:57 <timeless_xchat> which is of course useless
Apr 11 08:37:19 <timeless_xchat> ... life is like a box of chocolates, you never know what you're gonna get
Apr 11 08:37:44 <timeless_xchat> ... life (with n900 ime) is like a box of chocolates, you never know what (completion) you're gonna get
Apr 11 08:37:52 <RST38h> but it will always be of chocolate color and more or less the same proportions.
Apr 11 08:38:36 <timeless_xchat> rst38h: chocolate color can be white, light brown, medium brown, dark brown, black,
Apr 11 08:38:37 <timeless_xchat> or it can be pink
Apr 11 08:38:45 <RST38h> BROWN. -- CO.
Apr 11 08:41:01 <crashanddie> You will be deceived: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YccsNO1FV6
Apr 11 08:41:15 * timeless_xchat will run out of power 
Apr 11 08:43:04 <timeless_xchat> crashanddie: good day
Apr 11 09:06:56 * timeless_xchat sighs
Apr 11 09:07:19 <timeless_xchat> can i interest anyone in writing patches to dbd::sqlite perldoc?
Apr 11 09:07:59 <RST38h> guess.
Apr 11 10:00:47 <timeless_xchat> sp3000 : got lunch plans?
Apr 11 10:03:59 <MohammadAG> damn this place is dead at times
Apr 11 10:06:48 * timeless_xchat is sql-coding while walking 
Apr 11 10:08:40 <alterego> That's because we're all at my birthday party and I didn't invite you, sorry :P
Apr 11 10:09:18 <MohammadAG> alterego, I don't need an invite, I know where you live
Apr 11 10:09:29 * MohammadAG searches for "The pub" on google maps
Apr 11 10:10:29 <alterego> Heh
Apr 11 10:10:48 <alterego> My birthday party isn't a geo cache game :P
Apr 11 10:14:56 <crashanddie> That is actually an awesome idea
Apr 11 10:15:07 * crashanddie purchases a dozen handheld GPS units
Apr 11 10:15:46 <alterego> I think people are confused, it's not my birthday, it's my _bath_ day ..
Apr 11 10:16:24 <MohammadAG> no we're not, nobody said happy bday :P
Apr 11 10:16:36 <alterego> They have in my head
Apr 11 10:16:48 <crashanddie> "bathday" and "birthday" are pronounced the same if you live in Australia :P
Apr 11 10:17:05 <alterego> :)
Apr 11 10:19:59 <pupnik_> lolol
Apr 11 10:26:36 <timeless_xchat> crashanddie : what, all your closest friends don't have n900s?
Apr 11 10:27:34 <crashanddie> no, thank god for that
Apr 11 10:36:00 <alterego> Heh, I know about 6 people with N900s
Apr 11 10:41:56 <pupnik_> only n900s i ever saw were in finland
Apr 11 10:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: (dead at times) normal. Really scary is the global quiet earth syndrome, where whole IRC seems dead and you wonder if only you and infobot are alive
Apr 11 10:56:16 <MohammadAG> heh
Apr 11 11:03:06 <alterego> Well, my brother has one, he actually got it before I got one, two of his friends have them. I've got three friends that have them
Apr 11 11:03:16 <alterego> So yeah, guess that's 6
Apr 11 11:03:23 <alterego> vgrade also has one
Apr 11 11:03:33 <alterego> And I've met him :D
Apr 11 11:06:01 <pupnik_> that's how they drive people insane, DocScrutinizer - put them in a room with nothing, no inputs at all
Apr 11 11:06:04 <pupnik_> for years
Apr 11 11:06:22 <pupnik_> absolute cruelty
Apr 11 11:06:23 <alterego> sensory deprivation
Apr 11 11:06:27 <alterego> Yeah, that's harsh
Apr 11 11:08:04 <pupnik_> i appreciate having smart folks to chat with alterego - cheers o/
Apr 11 11:11:44 <alterego> Hah :D
Apr 11 11:12:57 <mece> did postinst fail in new opera installation for you?
Apr 11 11:13:51 <mece> woo! New opera fixed both bugs I reported :)
Apr 11 11:14:14 <DocScrutinizer> mece: aah, I wondered what the new version does
Apr 11 11:14:49 <mece> passoword field autocap and return in textarea
Apr 11 11:15:18 <mece> haha passoword! sounds japanese :D
Apr 11 11:16:08 <mece> DocScrutinizer, so.. did the postinst crash?
Apr 11 11:17:54 <DocScrutinizer> ?
Apr 11 11:18:07 <mece> DocScrutinizer, did you install the new version of opera?
Apr 11 11:18:09 <DocScrutinizer> nothing crashed when HAM intalled update
Apr 11 11:18:13 <mece> hmpf
Apr 11 11:18:17 <mece> mine did.
Apr 11 11:18:33 <DocScrutinizer> at least I didn't notice anything crashing
Apr 11 11:19:47 <mece> DocScrutinizer, well it said "couldn't install opera" so I tried with apt-get and it said it postinst script crashed, so I checked the script, which looked ok, and I ran it manually and renamed the file and then installed again (or continued installing) and everyrthing went peachy.
Apr 11 12:54:46 * timeless_mbp sighs
Apr 11 12:54:48 <timeless_mbp> http://pastebin.mozilla.org/1202385
Apr 11 12:55:17 <FauxFaux> Switch to the Java implementation. *runs*
Apr 11 12:55:55 <ruskie> hmm
Apr 11 12:56:02 <ruskie> never had sqlite segfault on me before
Apr 11 12:58:19 <timeless_mbp> you're not adventurous enough :)
Apr 11 12:59:13 <ruskie> hell I use it a lot
Apr 11 12:59:27 <ruskie> usually scripting around it with bash
Apr 11 13:06:10 <timeless_mbp> this is really the first time i've tried using it
Apr 11 13:06:23 <timeless_mbp> so far i've learned that it doesn't seem to care about types
Apr 11 13:06:42 <timeless_mbp> i can tell it i want to store CHAR(1) and it'll merrily store "hello world"
Apr 11 13:07:02 <timeless_mbp> or i can tell it i want to store INTEGER, and it'll merrily store "123,1,456"
Apr 11 13:16:31 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
Apr 11 13:17:34 <DocScrutinizer> maybe that's part of "lite" that your frontend needs to care about typecasts and check
Apr 11 13:32:22 <khorben_> it is
Apr 11 13:33:12 <khorben_> http://sqlite.org/faq.html#q3
Apr 11 14:47:28 <DocScrutinizer> khorben_: :-D
Apr 11 14:50:44 <DocScrutinizer> nevertheless a segfault on .dump is nasty
Apr 11 15:19:38 <MohammadAG> ~seen Khertan
Apr 11 15:19:43 <MohammadAG> ~seen Khertan_
Apr 11 15:19:44 <infobot> khertan <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-168-252.w92-155.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 6d 20h 15m 28s ago, saying: 'just sure that it s works as i see it working on it'.
Apr 11 15:19:44 <infobot> khertan_ <~khertan@AAmiens-553-1-197-166.w92-142.abo.wanadoo.fr> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 36d 23h 8m 57s ago, saying: 's/most/main'.
Apr 11 16:08:32 <DocScrutinizer51> wtf? callendar alarm stops after some 15..20s?! :-((
Apr 11 16:09:47 <Proteous> how long should it go?
Apr 11 16:10:19 <DocScrutinizer51> basically infinte
Apr 11 16:10:23 <Proteous> heh
Apr 11 16:10:58 <Puchaty> anyone using new cssu?
Apr 11 16:24:00 <frals> DocScrutinizer51: mine doesnt stop that quickly
Apr 11 16:24:48 <DocScrutinizer51> frals: yeah, feels kinda new and unusual to me too
Apr 11 16:25:48 <DocScrutinizer51> Proteous got it to the point: how long is it supposed to play the alarm?
Apr 11 16:26:03 <DocScrutinizer51> where from is that value?
Apr 11 16:30:35 <Proteous> http://forums.internettablettalk.com/showthread.php?t=71838
Apr 11 16:36:57 <DocScrutinizer51> hmm, no real info on this tmo thread
Apr 11 16:37:56 <Proteous> no solutions
Apr 11 16:38:20 <Proteous> but it could be that there is a buggy reason that the alarm is not continuing to ring, and not just a setting
Apr 11 17:00:00 <epp> \j #maemo-ssu
Apr 11 17:00:07 <epp> :)
Apr 11 17:03:45 <alterego> Something has broken my scratchbox qt creator integration :(
Apr 11 17:16:03 <RST38h> EHLO ALL
Apr 11 17:16:42 <GAN900> How is it that the native IRC clients haven't managed to surpass XChat. . . .
Apr 11 17:16:51 <GAN900> Somebody needs to get wazd on the case.
Apr 11 17:17:07 <RST38h> XChat has been in development for a long long time
Apr 11 17:17:20 <RST38h> not easy to surpass =(
Apr 11 17:18:16 <Proteous> I <3 irssi
Apr 11 17:18:22 <RST38h> bleah
Apr 11 17:18:33 <Proteous> :P
Apr 11 17:21:48 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, or use telnet to connect to freenode:5667 directly
Apr 11 17:22:42 <DocScrutinizer> might be an alternative to using modest as well
Apr 11 17:22:58 <DocScrutinizer> ;-P
Apr 11 17:23:39 <DocScrutinizer> esp for RST38h who already knows about EHLO
Apr 11 17:23:51 <MohammadAG> XChat needs kinetic scrolling
Apr 11 17:24:02 <DocScrutinizer> blaergh
Apr 11 17:25:06 <DocScrutinizer> I really happy with my cursor-up/down scrolling. Works like a charm
Apr 11 17:26:39 <DocScrutinizer> one of the really needed improvements of Xchat is: use most recently used nick on tab-completion in an empty input field
Apr 11 17:31:27 <DocScrutinizer> ideally it would step back to second recent used nick completion on 2nd tab-completion on an otherwise unaltered imput line
Apr 11 17:37:09 <DocScrutinizer> extremely nifty option(!): autoinsert the last used "nick: " on each new line edit, and change tab-completion to erase-nick function. I'm undecided if I'd prefer this mode over the usual insertion of nick: only when you press "tab" (aka shift-space, for N900 xchat)
Apr 11 17:43:41 <pupnik> i'd like tab completetion of long words in scrollback
Apr 11 17:44:11 <DocScrutinizer> > RST38h: < [shift-space] > < [moh] > moh< [shift-space] > MohammadAG: < [test] > MohammadAG: test< [enter] > MohammadAG: < [test2] > MohammadAG: test2< [enter] > MohammadAG: < [shift-space] > < [doc] > doc< [shift-space] > DocScrutinizer51: < [test3] > DocScrutinizer51: test3< [enter] > DocScrutinizer51: <...
Apr 11 17:46:01 <MohammadAG> I didn't get a single word of that
Apr 11 17:46:46 <DocScrutinizer> > this is what the xchat input field shows < [and this is kbd input]
Apr 11 17:47:35 <DocScrutinizer> it's an example of how the above mentioned option would work
Apr 11 17:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> basically each [enter] sends your post (of course) but also gives you last nick used by nick-completion as the new one of next post. You can cancel this by another "tab-completion"
Apr 11 17:49:35 <DocScrutinizer> err nick-completion aka tab aka shift-space
Apr 11 17:53:26 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: better now?
Apr 11 18:22:16 <pupnik> nobody got TOME running eh?
Apr 11 18:22:28 <pupnik> that's a pretty good roguelike, with my tileset
Apr 11 18:40:07 <DocScrutinizer> ok, calendar alarms are time limited to 10s, alarmclock alarms are limited to 60s. Task for anybody interested: where to patch these durations?
Apr 11 18:40:57 <DocScrutinizer> (both seconds values estimations)
Apr 11 18:41:09 <MohammadAG> alarmd or the UI binaries
Apr 11 18:41:39 <MohammadAG> proper error handling at its best in the Qt SDK installer
Apr 11 18:41:42 <MohammadAG> $ ./Qt_SDK_Lin64_offline_v1_1_rc_en.run
Apr 11 18:41:43 <MohammadAG> Segmentation fault
Apr 11 18:41:49 <DocScrutinizer> you think that's hardcoded?
Apr 11 18:42:01 <MohammadAG> You'd think "Not enough freaking space to install" is a better error
Apr 11 18:42:29 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, isn't that synonymous with "You think it was developed by Nokia"?
Apr 11 18:42:40 <DocScrutinizer> yeah :-S
Apr 11 18:44:04 <DocScrutinizer> though occasionally they had some easter eggs for us
Apr 11 18:44:04 <MohammadAG> also, apparently, I'm not allowed to use the Qt Notifications API legally, ha
Apr 11 18:46:11 <whatwhat> why does the media player often stop the song at random spots?
Apr 11 18:46:16 <whatwhat> it just stops playing a lot
Apr 11 18:46:26 <DocScrutinizer> possibly a case where UX-designers had a fart in brain, and devels thought "ohmy, you'll get your 10s timeout, but nobody forbid I'm asking for a gconf/initfile key to override it"
Apr 11 18:48:16 <DocScrutinizer> I might want to strace tha crap eventually
Apr 11 18:48:45 <DocScrutinizer> actually I'm not even shy to patch the binary :-P
Apr 11 18:49:39 <MohammadAG> Unknown Maemo version!
Apr 11 18:49:39 <MohammadAG> Unknown Maemo version!
Apr 11 18:49:40 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 11 18:49:50 <MohammadAG> how many Maemo versions support Qt 4.7?
Apr 11 18:50:37 <DocScrutinizer> I'd actually also love to see a patched binary to fix that bug in logger-call and put the cellbroadcast SMS to purpose
Apr 11 18:50:48 <MohammadAG> Venemo, Qt Creator 2.2 has the disable packaging step back \o/
Apr 11 18:51:14 <MohammadAG> and it has packaging for "Meego"
Apr 11 18:51:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen jonwill
Apr 11 18:51:24 <MohammadAG> was spelling it right (MeeGo) hard?
Apr 11 18:51:35 <infobot> i haven't seen 'jonwill', DocScrutinizer
Apr 11 18:51:50 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen jonwil
Apr 11 18:51:51 <infobot> jonwil <~jonwil@27-33-137-199.static.tpgi.com.au> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 20d 4h 11m 3s ago, saying: 'Although I have no doubt that Microsoft does have internal servers with symbols for publicly released builds of WP7'.
Apr 11 18:52:57 <Venemo> MohammadAG, that's great news :)
Apr 11 18:53:16 <DocScrutinizer> ~spell meego
Apr 11 18:53:19 <infobot> possible spellings for meego: me ego me-ego MEGO Meg meg Margo Meggi merge meek mega Meggy meager merger MEGOs Meggie Mg Moog ergo mg Magi Magoo Megen magi EEG ego Mag MiG mag mug meeker megs Eggo Lego meed meet memo mango Meg's meg's
Apr 11 18:55:31 <DocScrutinizer> me-ego seems about right spelling
Apr 11 18:56:06 <DocScrutinizer> though I prefer MeEgo
Apr 11 18:56:18 <ruskie> http://www.psu.com/news/11274 <-- hmm
Apr 11 19:00:49 <whatwhat> is having the song or whatever spontaneously stop a common problem?
Apr 11 19:01:01 <whatwhat> I'll try to search more thoroughly later on the bb
Apr 11 19:02:58 <MohammadAG> If anyone could give me steps to reproduce I'll happily look at what's causing it
Apr 11 19:03:11 <GAN900> I want networked AV equipment for a reasonable price.
Apr 11 19:03:33 <GAN900> There's no reason we need to be using IR blasters in 2011.
Apr 11 19:32:07 <pupnik> amiga prototypes on sale http://shop.ebay.com/hazydave/m.html?_trksid=p4340.l2562
Apr 11 20:28:38 <DocScrutinizer> pupnik: incredible prices
Apr 11 20:29:24 * DocScrutinizer wonders how much he might get for the Openmoko GTA03 protoboard
Apr 11 20:29:58 <pupnik> heh
Apr 11 20:31:01 <chx> DocScrutinizer: wait 20 years and then a fortune?
Apr 11 20:35:17 <MohammadAG> X-Fade, achipa any ideas how we could get the CSSU in the autobuilder?
Apr 11 20:35:49 <MohammadAG> I'm thinking we could have a metapackage, and if that's build-dep'd on then the dev can use the CSSU in it, but with a price, his app would be available to CSSU users only
Apr 11 20:35:58 <MohammadAG> s/metapackage/dump package
Apr 11 20:36:01 <MohammadAG> dumb*
Apr 11 21:16:54 <Corsac> MohammadAG: hmhm, is there already a package for your media player?
Apr 11 21:17:24 <MohammadAG> no, not on the interwebz at least
Apr 11 21:17:33 <MohammadAG> I'll make an alpha/pre-alpha release tomorrow
Apr 11 21:18:42 <technomike> Hey guys, I am in trouble. Have not used my N900 for a while now due to the USB port coming out of it. Now that I have a desktop charger for it, I want to get all the data off it then send it off to Nokia for warranty repair. Problem is, I haven't used it in a while and I have forgotten the LOCK code...
Apr 11 21:19:19 <alterego> unlucky :P
Apr 11 21:20:21 <technomike> is there really no way of getting into it now? or just accessing the memory at least?
Apr 11 21:21:21 <alterego> Not without a USB port no
Apr 11 21:21:39 <MohammadAG> unless you already have u-boot/backupmenu/some preinit script
Apr 11 21:22:22 <technomike> :'( oh no
Apr 11 21:22:32 <alterego> I'd just keep guessing :P
Apr 11 21:24:06 <MohammadAG> I like how when you do that it disables all push buttons
Apr 11 21:24:18 <MohammadAG> like it locks you out, but they're enabled in 3s
Apr 11 21:50:30 <DocScrutinizer> actually it cycles thru 3 timeouts, see mce.ini
Apr 11 22:04:39 <trx> where can i depromote a package?
Apr 11 22:05:41 <trx> also, is there a way to replace a package in extras-devel?
Apr 11 22:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> I think neither is possible
Apr 11 22:17:36 <trx> well that sucks :/
Apr 11 22:20:03 <MohammadAG> depromote?
Apr 11 22:20:05 <MohammadAG> replace?
Apr 11 22:20:20 <MohammadAG> you can upload a package to replace another one
Apr 11 22:21:35 <trx> oh, ok thats cool
Apr 11 22:22:10 <trx> about depromoting, i have accidentaly (?!) promoted a package to testing
Apr 11 22:22:22 <trx> which i didn't want to do :)
Apr 11 22:24:34 <MohammadAG> thumb it down
Apr 11 22:26:31 <SpeedEvil> http://fatpita.net/?i=10017 angry bird is angry
Apr 11 22:27:53 <trx> MohammadAG thanks
Apr 11 22:28:09 <MohammadAG> yw :)
Apr 11 22:28:22 <MohammadAG> trx, alternatively, ask X-Fade to remove it
Apr 11 22:30:06 <trx> no need to take his time, its not a big deal..
Apr 11 22:49:32 <pupnik> 1ghz omap3640 is pretty nice
Apr 11 23:01:17 <DocScrutinizer> terror in belarus. President announces harder security measures - i.e. police may do even more whatever they want. Qui bono? Is it just me who thinks this president is fishy?
Apr 11 23:19:00 <MohammadAG> I said I was gonna sleep but...
Apr 11 23:19:07 <MohammadAG> what's a service battery?
Apr 11 23:19:33 <MohammadAG> or a test battery
Apr 11 23:19:54 <MohammadAG> (from /sbin/getbootstate)
Apr 11 23:21:12 <pupnik> i don't see that info from getbootstate
Apr 12 00:19:41 <RiD> Hi :)
Apr 12 00:38:20 <RiD> Hey, does anyone has an unmodified /etc/asound.conf ?
Apr 12 00:45:18 <pupnik> RiD: um... i think so..
Apr 12 00:46:02 <pupnik> http://pastebin.ca/2045280
Apr 12 00:48:31 <RiD> could you upload it? I think mine's completely messed up
Apr 12 00:48:48 <SpeedEvil> Mine looks like pupniks
Apr 12 00:48:58 <RiD> oh didnt saw the link
Apr 12 00:51:31 <RiD> Hmmm, it seems the problem is somewhere else
Apr 12 00:54:31 <SpeedEvil> Blame Pulseaudio.
Apr 12 00:54:31 <RiD> I guess the most reliable solution is to flash my device :/ Thanks for the help, anyways.
Apr 12 00:54:38 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Apr 12 00:54:38 <infobot> i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 12 00:56:57 <RiD> maybe a hammer works on it, or it just makes it worse.
Apr 12 00:57:46 <SpeedEvil> RiD: What dioes it do/
Apr 12 00:58:48 <RiD> SpeedEvil: probably just splits the phone into smaller parts
Apr 12 01:03:45 <RiD> well, ill flash it tomorrow. Its somewhat late here (2am) so I'm going to sleep. See ya later
Apr 12 01:04:21 <SpeedEvil> night.
Apr 12 02:19:46 * argent0 succesfuly flashed
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