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Apr 12 07:18:18 <piggz> lo, according to the following page, from qtcreator i should bw able to upload packages to extra-devel for n900, or ovi store, but i cant find any such options? http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qtcreator-snapshot/creator-publishing-to-maemo-extras.html
Apr 12 09:15:18 <MohammadAG> achipa, can you update the python2.5-qt4 package so it depends on >= 4.7.0 and not = 4.7.0 ?
Apr 12 09:15:42 <MohammadAG> I'm guessing that was one of the packages that depends on bugs? :P
Apr 12 09:16:39 <achipa> MohammadAG: exactly... :) I'll see what I can do - that package needs serious updates anyway
Apr 12 09:18:41 <MohammadAG> achipa, thanks, it's preventing CSSU updates :)
Apr 12 09:19:43 <achipa> uh-oh. The thing is I'm considering a major break there. As HAM is pretty boneheaded wrt to partial updates, I'll probably make one giant python2.5-qt4 package and lose the modular setup
Apr 12 09:20:02 <achipa> I know it's a few extra megs, but better a few extra megs than breakage, right ?
Apr 12 09:20:44 <MohammadAG> achipa, just depend on >= and it should be fine
Apr 12 09:20:57 <MohammadAG> achipa, also, shouldn't this be fixed somehow? http://maemo.org/packages/package_instance/view/fremantle_extras_free_armel/python2.5-qt4-core/4.7.5-maemo2/
Apr 12 09:21:09 <MohammadAG> it says missing packages, so developers can't promote to extras
Apr 12 09:22:08 <achipa> MohammadAG: but that's already in extras, what do dependent packcages care...
Apr 12 09:22:18 <achipa> MohammadAG: but yes, the web interface is kooky
Apr 12 09:23:45 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: you found an answer to your testbattery?
Apr 12 09:24:03 <eichi> hello ;) is there an application for creating an timetable for university? or besser use a oocalc table creating a pdf?
Apr 12 09:24:18 <eichi> besser = better
Apr 12 09:24:19 <MohammadAG> achipa, yeah, it's an interface bug (cc X-Fade)
Apr 12 09:24:30 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, nope, I only know about the service battery for the PSP :P
Apr 12 09:27:31 <MohammadAG> also, is this the right way to support AVRCP? http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/27da7d88fcdec9947e7c2fc56ebc52864ff19cfc
Apr 12 09:27:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: I have two possible explanations: 1) the testpads are under the battery, so there may be "batteries" that have contact pins for the testpoints. 2) a special battery with a certain resitor value on BSI, to switch device to R&D or a similar mode
Apr 12 09:29:29 <DocScrutinizer> some § in service manuals suggest it's 2)
Apr 12 09:29:35 <MohammadAG> I'm pretty sure it's the latter, but I'm guessing no one knows about it?
Apr 12 09:30:44 <DocScrutinizer> at least not me (which implies nobody I know)
Apr 12 09:30:45 <alterego> Well,  they use rigs for connecting to those.
Apr 12 09:30:54 <alterego> Not batteries
Apr 12 09:30:57 <Dibblah> BTW, has anyone live flashed from an alternate OS running on the SD card?
Apr 12 09:31:00 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: that's known
Apr 12 09:31:09 <alterego> :)
Apr 12 09:31:35 <Dibblah> I did - It worked OK, but Meego is... Less than stellar for a choice of "hacking platform".
Apr 12 09:32:10 <Dibblah> (Not using the PC version of flasher because my USB port is busted)
Apr 12 09:32:11 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: live flashed?
Apr 12 09:32:37 <Dibblah> As in flashed the NAND from an OS running on the device.
Apr 12 09:32:59 <DocScrutinizer> WTF? you flashed NAND rootfs from uSD OS?
Apr 12 09:33:05 <Dibblah> Yes.
Apr 12 09:33:18 <DocScrutinizer> umm, which tools did you use?
Apr 12 09:33:34 <DocScrutinizer> please don't say dd
Apr 12 09:33:36 <Dibblah> flash_erase, nandwrite, ISTR.
Apr 12 09:33:41 <DocScrutinizer> OK :-D
Apr 12 09:33:50 <DocScrutinizer> cool
Apr 12 09:33:52 <mece> Dibblah, pretty cool!
Apr 12 09:34:20 <Dibblah> The real problem was getting root on Meego. Ugh.
Apr 12 09:34:28 <MohammadAG> it's easy!
Apr 12 09:34:31 <MohammadAG> su root
Apr 12 09:34:35 <MohammadAG> pass is meego
Apr 12 09:34:45 <DocScrutinizer> lol
Apr 12 09:35:01 <Dibblah> So the requirements are that the system must be live enough to be able to install the combined uboot/kernel in the kernel partition.
Apr 12 09:35:07 <MohammadAG> (tbh, I guessed that two months ago and it turned out to be right...)
Apr 12 09:35:33 <Dibblah> I tried that I thought. Ended up hacking the shadow file offline :)
Apr 12 09:35:48 <DocScrutinizer> hehe
Apr 12 09:36:30 <DocScrutinizer> btw meego using shadow? wow!
Apr 12 09:36:42 <MohammadAG> what's shadow?
Apr 12 09:36:56 <DocScrutinizer> aah well, they plan for tablets and laptops etc as well
Apr 12 09:37:04 <robbiethe1st> Shadow password?
Apr 12 09:37:05 <DocScrutinizer> /etc/shadow
Apr 12 09:37:16 <Dibblah> So then use flasher to extract the "rootfs.jffs2" image, copy the nandwrite + flash_erase binaries, nandwrite the image, swear as it doesn't boot, boot back up into alternate, flash_erase, then nandwrite the image again.
Apr 12 09:37:19 <RST38h> Mohammad: Some really weird portrait mode flips in this CSSU
Apr 12 09:37:26 <robbiethe1st> In Maemo, it's like /etc/passwd- that has the real passwords(encrypted, of course)
Apr 12 09:37:31 <Dibblah> However, my cameras are still busted :( :(
Apr 12 09:38:14 <Dibblah> Odd group of symptoms - It doesn't seem to recognise VBUS, both cameras don't work,...
Apr 12 09:38:15 <RST38h> Mohammad: The status area menu absolutely INSISTS on coming up in portrait mode =(
Apr 12 09:38:32 <MohammadAG> RST38h, not for me, at least if the device isn't in portrait itself
Apr 12 09:38:52 <MohammadAG> did you reboot or just hardcore apt-get upgrade & killall? :P
Apr 12 09:39:04 <DocScrutinizer> robbiethe1st: maemo has no /etc/shadow afaik
Apr 12 09:39:19 <DocScrutinizer> robbiethe1st: considered useless overhead
Apr 12 09:39:26 <RST38h> Mohammad: Used HAM to update, it rebooted after updating
Apr 12 09:39:36 <robbiethe1st> DocScrutinizer: No, but it does have a "/etc/passwd-" file
Apr 12 09:39:49 <robbiethe1st> The /etc/passwd file doesn't have the hashes in it, IIRC
Apr 12 09:40:00 <DocScrutinizer> it has
Apr 12 09:41:07 <DocScrutinizer> err
Apr 12 09:41:10 <robbiethe1st> Huh, just checked. I guess it does. So what's the /etc/passwd- file for?
Apr 12 09:42:25 <Dibblah> I assume no-one knows any fault that would take out both cameras?
Apr 12 09:42:31 <mece> and now for something completely different: 8-bit color cycling animations http://www.effectgames.com/demos/canvascycle/
Apr 12 09:43:25 <DocScrutinizer> robbiethe1st: edit backup?
Apr 12 09:43:33 <DocScrutinizer> robbiethe1st: update backup?
Apr 12 09:44:23 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: both cams share one interface, and same processes to deal with it
Apr 12 09:44:50 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: v4l2
Apr 12 09:44:53 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
Apr 12 09:46:55 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: i.e. devices video0 and video1 are mutually exclusive, by hw design. So if one gets fsckdup by a broken process, the other one will be unavailable too
Apr 12 09:47:08 <pupnik> firefox cannot block particular images but only entire HOSTS?? (edit->preferences->content->load_images_automatically:Exceptions)
Apr 12 09:47:35 <pupnik> most useless feature implementation ever?
Apr 12 09:47:47 <DocScrutinizer> haha
Apr 12 09:47:57 <RST38h> pupnik: Use adblock+?
Apr 12 09:48:04 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
Apr 12 09:49:05 <mece> grr postinst script keep breaking on me. Is there a way to get some proper error output from apt?
Apr 12 09:49:51 <mece> "returned error exit: status 1" doesn't exactly help
Apr 12 09:50:41 <Dibblah> Hmm. Okay, so it's possible that a hardware fault on one camera would lock the bus which both cameras are on?
Apr 12 09:51:26 <Jaffa> X-Fade: Apparently "promoting applications which depend on the in-device [Qt] libs" is broken?
Apr 12 09:52:43 <MohammadAG> only python2.5-qt4 ones
Apr 12 09:52:58 <MohammadAG> fapman has no problems obviously
Apr 12 09:55:43 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: possible but unlikely
Apr 12 09:56:54 <pupnik> adblock plus doesn't give me a context sensitive right click to block images
Apr 12 09:58:07 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: first check fuser/lsof
Apr 12 09:58:48 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: check dmesg
Apr 12 09:59:25 <pupnik> ahh now it shows it
Apr 12 09:59:36 <Dibblah> Nothing has /dev/video* open.
Apr 12 09:59:43 <pupnik> only for some pages
Apr 12 09:59:45 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: check for the right matching kernel drivers
Apr 12 10:00:47 <DocScrutinizer> Dibblah: things like fcam and blessn900 are known to break a new kernel with their "old" alternative cam kernel drivers
Apr 12 10:01:34 <Dibblah> Hmm. That's interesting. With a _virgin_ image, I see unknown symbols for isp_mod on boot.
Apr 12 10:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> usually force-reinstalling fcam fixes this issue
Apr 12 10:02:02 <Dibblah> iommu_get / iommu_kmap, da_to_va, etc.
Apr 12 10:03:02 <Dibblah> Oddly, the module _is_ loaded.
Apr 12 10:03:18 <DocScrutinizer> I suspect your modules don't match the kernel
Apr 12 10:04:09 <Dibblah> I don't see how - As I said, it was a virgin image.
Apr 12 10:04:33 <DocScrutinizer> the kernel lives on a separate NAND partition
Apr 12 10:05:09 <Dibblah> Yes, the kernel does - But the modules seem to be in the main FS...?
Apr 12 10:05:16 <DocScrutinizer> yes
Apr 12 10:05:20 <Dibblah> Is there any way to mount the FS in the kernel partition?
Apr 12 10:05:38 <Dibblah> Or is it a raw kernel image?
Apr 12 10:05:48 <DocScrutinizer> there's no fs on kernel partition afaik
Apr 12 10:05:51 <DocScrutinizer> raw
Apr 12 10:07:23 <pupnik> adblock won't block all images, just those with http links?
Apr 12 10:11:57 <mece> hmmhmm
Apr 12 10:12:19 <Dibblah> Okay - So reinstalling kernel-flasher doesn't flash the default kernel. What does? :)
Apr 12 10:12:23 <mece> could the -e flag cause errors in postinst scripts?
Apr 12 10:12:39 <mece> change it to -x and it didn't fail. Hmpf
Apr 12 10:12:48 <Dibblah> apt-get install --reinstall kernel-flasher does nothing.
Apr 12 10:14:13 <timeless_w7ip> why would you expect reinstalling a tool to trigger the tool?
Apr 12 10:15:15 <Dibblah> ... Because that's what all of the docs say to do to reinstall the original kernel...?
Apr 12 10:16:20 <ruskie> Dibblah, install the original kernel... then install the flasher
Apr 12 10:16:43 <Dibblah> ruskie: I have no idea how to do that :(
Apr 12 10:17:26 <ruskie> apt-get install --reinstall kernel-whatever
Apr 12 10:17:32 <ruskie> apt-cache search kernel
Apr 12 10:17:34 <ruskie> might be helpful
Apr 12 10:18:20 <pupnik> there's no *f*k*n* way to simply add a right click "block annoying image" in firefox
Apr 12 10:18:39 <Dibblah> Aha. Right, I'm an idiot. Thanks, ruskie :)
Apr 12 10:19:02 <ruskie> pupnik, adblock ?
Apr 12 10:19:06 <pupnik> adblock only does it on hyperlinks
Apr 12 10:19:48 <ruskie> erm...
Apr 12 10:19:55 <ruskie> I recall it allowed it on everything
Apr 12 10:20:00 <ruskie> flash objects, banners
Apr 12 10:20:01 <ruskie> etc...
Apr 12 10:20:28 <pupnik> recall?
Apr 12 10:20:47 <pupnik> try it on a regular http page with a regular image
Apr 12 10:21:07 <ruskie> no clue
Apr 12 10:21:14 <ruskie> haven't used adblock in ages
Apr 12 10:21:26 <ruskie> my brain filtering is already so advanced that I don't even notice billboard ads etc...
Apr 12 10:21:29 <pupnik> ><div style="overflow: auto; width: 100%;"><img src="http:/...."
Apr 12 10:22:01 <pupnik> some people make it their life's purpose to put the most annoying images on their forum posts
Apr 12 10:22:24 <ruskie> actually some forums are simply broken
Apr 12 10:25:20 <pupnik> firefox is missing an important feature
Apr 12 10:31:15 <DocScrutinizer> as I failed in cyrillic/Russian...:
Apr 12 10:31:23 <DocScrutinizer> cheers, Juri!
Apr 12 10:33:39 <timeless_w7ip> what feature?
Apr 12 10:34:07 <timeless_w7ip> pupnik: how do you define an image?
Apr 12 10:34:17 <timeless_w7ip> is it an image with a given md5sum?
Apr 12 10:34:26 <timeless_w7ip> is it an image with a given set of dimensions?
Apr 12 10:34:41 <crashanddie> timeless_w7ip, probably more likely to be something that fits in the html IMG tag.
Apr 12 10:34:44 <timeless_w7ip> is it an imagine which is hosted at an absolute path with a given cookie request?
Apr 12 10:34:56 <timeless_w7ip> is it an image which appears at a precise location in a dom tree?
Apr 12 10:35:07 <timeless_w7ip> is it an imagine which is in fact inserted via css?
Apr 12 10:35:32 <timeless_w7ip> blocking images is hard because web pages and the web in general are dynamic
Apr 12 10:35:45 <timeless_w7ip> perhaps you want to block all images with more than x% flesh tones? :)
Apr 12 10:36:26 <crashanddie> Is it an ass? Is it a plane? No, it's super pedant, timeless!
Apr 12 10:36:48 <pupnik> <img src=""/>
Apr 12 10:37:18 <pupnik> but thanks for the education
Apr 12 10:40:04 <ArkanoiD-> oh shi~~~.. application manager says i should update community SSU via cable
Apr 12 10:40:48 <timeless_w7ip> arkanoid: that means you have a conflict or space issues
Apr 12 10:40:51 <timeless_w7ip> there's a page that explains..
Apr 12 10:41:05 <timeless_w7ip> or you could install my localization and then the  error message would include the link to the page :)
Apr 12 11:16:25 <nilspin> is anybody there
Apr 12 11:16:55 <ruskie> nobody here but us echos
Apr 12 11:17:59 <MohammadAG> ZogG, any ideas where you could get a Nexus S in IL?
Apr 12 11:22:12 <compengi> hello, how can i install this package http://maemo.org/packages/view/account-plugin-butterfly/ on the phone? the wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/MSN_messenger says it should be in networking section of the application manager but i only see msn-pecan and pidgin
Apr 12 11:24:01 <ruskie> compengi, maybe missing a repo?
Apr 12 11:26:19 <compengi> ruskie, probably. how do i edit repo list?
Apr 12 11:26:34 <compengi> and where can i find it
Apr 12 11:26:36 <ruskie> open the application manager menu...
Apr 12 11:26:40 <ruskie> should be something there
Apr 12 11:27:18 <compengi> program catalog?
Apr 12 11:28:27 <ruskie> yup
Apr 12 11:32:44 <compengi> ruskie, well.. i do have http://repository.maemo.org/extras/ in the list
Apr 12 11:33:04 <ruskie> there is also extras-testing and extras-devel
Apr 12 11:33:15 <compengi> ah
Apr 12 11:33:44 <ruskie> and that page you were clearly states where the package lives
Apr 12 12:26:35 <arcol> hi
Apr 12 12:29:28 <ZogG> MohammadAG shop?
Apr 12 12:29:40 <ZogG> MohammadAG there are shops selling it you know
Apr 12 12:29:44 <ZogG> why would you like it?
Apr 12 12:34:51 <compengi> ruskie, thanks :)
Apr 12 12:53:52 <ZogG> MohammadAG, anyway i hope you know zap.co.il for anything you want to find in israel =)
Apr 12 12:57:40 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer, ping german guy
Apr 12 12:58:33 <DocScrutinizer> eh?
Apr 12 12:59:42 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: what's up, earthling?
Apr 12 13:01:48 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer =)
Apr 12 13:02:41 <ZogG> who is the guys behing repos? ole' mate ruskie is trying to get approval for xmms2 package for extras and maybe there is a way to get thing faster
Apr 12 13:03:05 <ZogG> you know RST38h can laid with people if it's needed
Apr 12 13:04:18 <DocScrutinizer> ZogG: approval for extras is an automatic process afaik. Get 10 votes and you're in
Apr 12 13:04:50 <ZogG> DocScrutinizer oh, and if it's new package noone knows of it, how do i get 10 votes?
Apr 12 13:05:19 <DocScrutinizer> umm, bribe, beg, blog, wait, cry...
Apr 12 13:06:04 <SpeedEvil> I do not see xmms2 in the package list
Apr 12 13:06:45 <SpeedEvil> http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=xmms&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same
Apr 12 13:11:55 <ZogG> ruskie, what did it say when you tried to upload? you got some msg about voting?
Apr 12 13:18:46 <alterego> woot, Columbus now has track log loading :)
Apr 12 13:19:10 <alterego> v1 beta real close now
Apr 12 13:20:22 <SpeedEvil> :)
Apr 12 13:20:50 <alterego> I need to add gap detection though
Apr 12 13:21:08 <alterego> I just loaded a track log and it draws a straight line from previous position to where you are now (18 miles away) :D
Apr 12 13:28:20 <DocScrutinizer> alterego: hey, so do all the other GPS apps :-P
Apr 12 13:28:35 <alterego> Heh
Apr 12 13:28:43 <alterego> Well, mine doesn't anymore :P
Apr 12 13:28:50 <DocScrutinizer> \o/
Apr 12 13:36:00 <thresh> grr, i've upgraded my phone with apt-get install mp-fremante-community-pr, and now black screen instead of hildon :)
Apr 12 13:36:19 <thresh> I can answer the calls though..
Apr 12 13:36:24 <thresh> guess I have to reflash
Apr 12 13:36:31 <alterego> You should never upgrade with apt-get ..
Apr 12 13:36:39 <thresh> iKnow :D
Apr 12 13:36:52 <alterego> Now I need to also make previous track data render in a different colour.
Apr 12 13:36:56 <alterego> Well, slightly faded I think.
Apr 12 13:37:06 <alterego> But first, I've got some MeeGo work to do.
Apr 12 13:37:08 <Veggen> altereho: imo, that's a serious design flaw. that you can't upgrade with apt-get.
Apr 12 13:37:20 <alterego> Veggen: I wouldn't say design flaw ..
Apr 12 13:37:38 <Veggen> well, ok.
Apr 12 13:37:38 <alterego> I'd say omission maybe
Apr 12 13:37:43 <Veggen> .9
Apr 12 13:38:00 <alterego> I doubt it was ever in the functional requirements
Apr 12 13:38:19 <alterego> You're best bet is to not think of maemo as debian based and as just using dpkg, which is what it is really :P
Apr 12 13:38:49 <alterego> It is a shame none-the-less
Apr 12 13:41:15 <thresh> hmm, how do I actually install that new SSU upgrade if I don't have PC suite or windows
Apr 12 13:41:53 <SpeedEvil> SSU upgrade is over-the-air
Apr 12 13:41:55 <Khertan> Hello
Apr 12 13:41:56 <SpeedEvil> ~flashing
Apr 12 13:41:56 <infobot> somebody said flashing was http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
Apr 12 13:42:10 <thresh> SpeedEvil: HAM said I have to use PC suite.
Apr 12 13:42:17 <thresh> that's why I tried apt-get in the first place
Apr 12 13:42:18 <SpeedEvil> HAM lies.
Apr 12 13:42:24 <thresh> iKnow. Fapman wouldnt?
Apr 12 13:42:38 <Khertan> MohammadAG: can i disturb you ? Does there is a changelog of the Qt 4.7.2 integrated in cssu 14 ?
Apr 12 13:47:32 <thresh> oh well, reboot helped. It "forgot" all the settings it seems though.
Apr 12 13:47:40 <thresh> asked me to reenter the time.
Apr 12 13:53:19 <Khertan> HAM have pretty strange things since cssu 14
Apr 12 13:53:30 <Khertan> does there is change in this app ?
Apr 12 13:54:07 <Khertan> XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description: Formatted like "Description".   Will be displayed if user upgrades to new version and clicks  on "Details". <<< seems displayed now as the description of the app
Apr 12 13:56:37 <crashanddie> Stop! Hammertime: http://media.fukung.net/images/35895/097aa77bf1e5a2eb3ace895adfe9d6d8.gif
Apr 12 13:57:07 <ZogG> lol
Apr 12 14:09:18 <MohammadAG> Khertan, upstream commits
Apr 12 14:10:20 <ZogG> MohammadAG
Apr 12 14:10:26 <MohammadAG> http://qt.gitorious.org/+qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo/
Apr 12 14:10:36 <MohammadAG> CTRL+F v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.3: Created tag v4.7.0-fremantle-pr1.3
Apr 12 14:11:00 <ZogG> ?
Apr 12 14:11:40 <MohammadAG> wasn't at you
Apr 12 14:13:30 <ZogG> MohammadAG have you checked zap?
Apr 12 14:14:43 <MohammadAG> nope
Apr 12 14:14:48 <MohammadAG> I hate that site :p
Apr 12 14:15:26 <ZogG> they have nexus 2 there
Apr 12 14:17:45 <MohammadAG> Nexus 2? lol
Apr 12 14:20:28 <MohammadAG> ZogG, no local stores that sell it then?
Apr 12 14:21:06 <ZogG> MohammadAG, they do if it has
Apr 12 14:22:03 <MohammadAG> wow, 2500
Apr 12 14:22:06 <ZogG> MohammadAG, http://www.zap.co.il/model.aspx?modelid=783437
Apr 12 14:22:16 <MohammadAG> holy shit the atrix is 3500
Apr 12 14:22:54 <ZogG> you want one?
Apr 12 14:23:05 <ZogG> cheeper than iphone4 in orange =)
Apr 12 14:23:14 <ZogG> they are idiots
Apr 12 14:23:23 <MohammadAG> lol the iPhone 4 is like 7000
Apr 12 14:23:34 <MohammadAG> it's not for me
Apr 12 14:23:43 <ZogG> over9000
Apr 12 14:23:49 <MohammadAG> time to move on from the N8/Symbian^3
Apr 12 14:24:04 <ZogG> MohammadAG, when you go to jordan? =)
Apr 12 14:24:14 <ZogG> you stick with n900?
Apr 12 14:24:19 <MohammadAG> probably not soon :P
Apr 12 14:24:24 <MohammadAG> yeah, it's fun
Apr 12 14:24:35 <MohammadAG> I mean, I've used the iPhone 4 for a long time
Apr 12 14:24:39 <ZogG> i have new iphone4 btw
Apr 12 14:24:45 <ZogG> trying to sell it
Apr 12 14:24:46 <MohammadAG> apps are fun and all, but meh, it's boring
Apr 12 14:25:17 <ZogG> tap tap revenge is the best
Apr 12 14:25:49 <MohammadAG> lol
Apr 12 14:25:51 <crashanddie> iTunes remote and airport control is awesome
Apr 12 14:26:00 <ZogG> i hate itunes
Apr 12 14:26:08 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, fancy names, what's airport control?
Apr 12 14:26:15 <MohammadAG> can I fly a plane with it?
Apr 12 14:26:15 <crashanddie> Airport Express
Apr 12 14:26:22 <ZogG> airportbombing + ?=)
Apr 12 14:26:26 <crashanddie> It's a router with audio out and USB port
Apr 12 14:26:42 <MohammadAG> isn't that like a PSP and a PS3?
Apr 12 14:26:43 <crashanddie> allows you to stream music to any stereo in the house
Apr 12 14:26:48 <MohammadAG> or VLC and vlc-remote?
Apr 12 14:26:53 <crashanddie> Not really
Apr 12 14:27:05 <crashanddie> This syncs the sound to be exactly at the same time
Apr 12 14:27:20 <crashanddie> So I've got the laptop in the study, stereo in room and main stereo in living room
Apr 12 14:27:27 <MohammadAG> you mean it delays the host so it syncs with the client?
Apr 12 14:27:29 <crashanddie> all are playing the same music, which I control from my pocket/iPod
Apr 12 14:27:38 <MohammadAG> of course, the user doesn't have to notice that
Apr 12 14:27:42 <crashanddie> And there is no echo effect, because all play at the exact same time
Apr 12 14:27:59 <crashanddie> So you can walk from room to room, and not hear any skipping or so
Apr 12 14:28:01 <crashanddie> Pretty cool
Apr 12 14:28:29 <crashanddie> it's the size of a Apple power brick, minus the cables, so very portable
Apr 12 14:28:48 <crashanddie> I've used it all over the world in hotel rooms, that way I plug it into the ethernet, and have my own personal wifi hotspot
Apr 12 14:28:59 <MohammadAG> sounds cool
Apr 12 14:29:06 <crashanddie> it's about 90euros
Apr 12 14:29:16 <crashanddie> The key has been cracked recently
Apr 12 14:29:24 <MohammadAG> but it needs iTunes, an airport, and an iPod :P
Apr 12 14:29:39 <MohammadAG> first one doesn't mix well with Linux
Apr 12 14:29:40 <crashanddie> Well, it doesn't need the iPod, that's just to control your music from your couch
Apr 12 14:29:56 <crashanddie> There are C implementations that allow you to stream from Linux to the airport
Apr 12 14:30:02 <MohammadAG> but it needs the airport
Apr 12 14:30:13 <crashanddie> There is airfoil on Mac/Windows that allow you to stream any sound on the computer to the airport
Apr 12 14:30:13 <MohammadAG> never seen an airport tbh
Apr 12 14:30:34 <crashanddie> http://www.apple.com/airportexpress/
Apr 12 14:30:35 <MohammadAG> hmm, I wonder if it's at the local office depot...
Apr 12 14:30:44 <MohammadAG> no, I meant I never saw one irl
Apr 12 14:31:33 <crashanddie> http://farm1.static.flickr.com/76/164980809_6c54bc2e70.jpg
Apr 12 14:34:53 <Khertan> re
Apr 12 14:35:50 <pupnik> moo
Apr 12 14:35:58 <Khertan> :)
Apr 12 14:36:10 <MohammadAG> crashanddie, lol, isn't that ben gurion? :P
Apr 12 14:36:20 <crashanddie> yeah
Apr 12 14:36:24 <Khertan> MohammadAG: yep indeed ... upstream patch only ... so i should found something about my bug in the git
Apr 12 14:36:25 <crashanddie> "IRL Airport"
Apr 12 14:37:03 <MohammadAG> good ol' times, was going to germany
Apr 12 14:37:18 <Khertan> Qt by Nokia              pushed 1898 commits  <<<< oh nice ... will be easy to track
Apr 12 14:37:47 <Khertan> This Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser
Apr 12 14:37:50 <Khertan> yeah !
Apr 12 14:38:27 <DocScrutinizer> Khertan: XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description always been used in HAM, just nobody used it in their packages :-(
Apr 12 14:38:36 <Khertan> so it s that :)
Apr 12 14:39:00 <MohammadAG> Khertan, you sure it's 1898?
Apr 12 14:39:03 <Khertan> as i found pretty strange to found my upgrade description in the list
Apr 12 14:39:05 <MohammadAG> I'm pretty sure I saw more than that
Apr 12 14:39:17 <MohammadAG> something like 3xxx
Apr 12 14:39:42 <Khertan> MohammadAG: the 02/03/11 at 13h32 : 1898
Apr 12 14:40:31 <Venemo> hi guys
Apr 12 14:40:53 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, I use it in my packages
Apr 12 14:41:02 <DocScrutinizer> heh, me too
Apr 12 14:42:25 <Khertan> MohammadAG: hum ... so this mean i should found a work arround now for hilighting the current line in a QTextEdit while i can remove my work arround for ensureVisible :)
Apr 12 14:42:30 <MohammadAG> Khertan, you missed a part
Apr 12 14:42:34 <MohammadAG> t by Nokia pushed 3667 commits to +qt-developers/qt/x11-maemo:4.7-fremantle
Apr 12 14:43:02 <MohammadAG> QString(lastMessage).prepend("Q")
Apr 12 14:43:17 <Khertan> :)
Apr 12 14:43:50 * Khertan .eye.scrollToTop()
Apr 12 14:44:14 <Khertan> This Git object is too large to be displayed in the browser
Apr 12 14:44:28 <Khertan> ok ... gitorious isn't really usefull for such large project
Apr 12 14:46:27 <DocScrutinizer> (XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description) actually I think I verified HAM shows the text under this key only when actually updating a package, but not on initial installation
Apr 12 14:47:05 <Khertan> fatal: early EOF
Apr 12 14:47:05 <Khertan> fatal: The remote end hung up unexpectedly
Apr 12 14:47:05 <Khertan> fatal: index-pack failed
Apr 12 14:47:06 <Khertan> mouaha
Apr 12 14:47:24 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer thx for the information
Apr 12 14:47:38 <Khertan> DocScrutinizer: Khweeteur-experimental package use it :)
Apr 12 14:48:06 <DocScrutinizer> as it shows XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description alternatively to the original description, I tend to add the original description PLUS changelog under XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description
Apr 12 14:48:29 <Khertan> this is probably what i ll do too
Apr 12 14:51:19 <DocScrutinizer> but honestly, some packages have more severe issues with their description - I *HATE* this scheme: "name: foobar-frobbler -- description: port of foobar-frobbler. Frobbles your foobar"
Apr 12 14:51:56 <MohammadAG> version 0.2, now with extra frobbling power
Apr 12 14:52:08 <DocScrutinizer> yeah \o/
Apr 12 14:54:24 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, haha
Apr 12 14:54:35 <DocScrutinizer> all devels doing that should get punished by forcing them to learn tokyo phonebook by heart, and then get examined for a week and get an electroshock for each query they don't know
Apr 12 14:54:36 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, then you wouldn't like my XB-Maemo-Upgrade-Description :P
Apr 12 14:55:29 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: update description is a bit flawed as it doesn't show original description as well
Apr 12 14:55:33 <MohammadAG> is a "Window" an XID?
Apr 12 14:55:37 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, "Install this upgrade to get your hands on the new features of Puzzle Master!"
Apr 12 14:55:47 <MohammadAG> ~seen javispedro
Apr 12 14:56:03 <infobot> javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 17d 17h 26m 5s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'.
Apr 12 14:58:52 <DocScrutinizer> weird
Apr 12 14:59:19 <DocScrutinizer> holiday?
Apr 12 15:36:44 <Khertan> pfffff can't clone qt-maemo git repository
Apr 12 15:39:33 <MohammadAG> why?
Apr 12 15:41:18 <MohammadAG> I need to learn how to use QThread
Apr 12 15:54:29 <xd13> what r the big changes in the update i just got because i don't c any
Apr 12 15:58:07 <crashanddie> xd13, apparently, it broke your ability to spell
Apr 12 15:58:26 <xd13> haha
Apr 12 15:59:23 <xd13> why does me shortcutting everything aggravate you so ?
Apr 12 15:59:35 <crashanddie> because there is no need to?
Apr 12 15:59:49 <MohammadAG> it's nt jst u
Apr 12 15:59:58 <MohammadAG> ryt crashanddie?
Apr 12 16:00:02 <crashanddie> aye
Apr 12 16:00:18 <MohammadAG> aww, I expected a kick
Apr 12 16:01:03 <xd13> but anyway, anyone notice any huge changes in the update, I think my transitions got a little smoother but new features wise I don't see anythign
Apr 12 16:01:12 <kwtm> Hi.  Anyone know where the config files for my N900 email accounts are stored?  I backed up everything in ~/ but on restoring I lost my email configuration.  Would like to prevent that from happening again.
Apr 12 16:01:13 <crashanddie> what update?
Apr 12 16:01:19 <xd13> ssu
Apr 12 16:01:23 <xd13> 14.1
Apr 12 16:01:32 <crashanddie> blame MohammadAG
Apr 12 16:02:02 <timeless_mbp> kwtm: you should use 'backup'
Apr 12 16:02:08 <MohammadAG> no, blame users not reading wikis :P
Apr 12 16:02:13 <timeless_mbp> the general answer is that settings are in gconf (/var/lib/gconf)
Apr 12 16:02:29 <crashanddie> no, MohammadAG, I blame you for the SSU, 14.1
Apr 12 16:02:31 <MohammadAG> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU/Changelog
Apr 12 16:02:46 <MohammadAG> what about it?
Apr 12 16:03:02 <piggz> MohammadAG: great work on cssu
Apr 12 16:03:03 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: I think that's debatable, since backup has failed me before (the backed up file was not visible somehow) but also backup does not do rsync to my home server.  Will check out gconf.  Thx
Apr 12 16:03:05 <MohammadAG> 14.1 was a hotfix for 14
Apr 12 16:03:24 <timeless_mbp> kwtm: err
Apr 12 16:04:00 <piggz> is there a way of getting qml apps from -devel...atm, it seems they are automatically blocked, i guess becuase libqtm-11 is only  in -devel....will this change?
Apr 12 16:07:10 <timeless_mbp> backups go into ~/MyDocs/Backups/....
Apr 12 16:07:33 <timeless_mbp> if you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data
Apr 12 16:07:35 <timeless_mbp> which would be rather stupid
Apr 12 16:07:41 <timeless_mbp> but you're certainly free to do that...
Apr 12 16:07:53 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: It *would* be rather stupid.  I'm so glad I cross file systems!
Apr 12 16:08:06 <timeless_mbp> then i don't see how backup would fail you
Apr 12 16:08:12 <timeless_mbp> and i respectfully request that you file a bug
Apr 12 16:08:26 <timeless_mbp> because it's important to indicate when backup isn't working...
Apr 12 16:08:45 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: However --and I've had this happen before-- I made a few backups --let's say, 4 of them.  On reflashing, when I try to restore using the backup app, it lets me select from 3 of the backups I made --the most recent isn't visible.
Apr 12 16:09:20 <timeless_mbp> so... backup can create backups to ~/MyDocs or your uSD card
Apr 12 16:09:27 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: Of course, I have no screenshot of this since it's just a fresh system that I restored from.  Somehow when I do something else (I install some applications manually, re-set-up my configs, etc.) then later all 4 backups are visible.
Apr 12 16:09:29 <timeless_mbp> if you create a backup on the uSD card and then remove the uSD card, your backup won't be listed :)
Apr 12 16:09:52 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: I'm not sure exactly what makes the backups visible again.
Apr 12 16:10:04 <timeless_mbp> MyDocs is fat
Apr 12 16:10:24 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: I'm going to assume for the moment that I'm not *that* stupid, and I invite you to do the same.  For example, why would 3 of the backups be visible when all 4 are stored in the same place?
Apr 12 16:10:31 <timeless_mbp> and we don't do screwy things to file system attributes
Apr 12 16:10:42 <timeless_mbp> there are 2 potential storage locations
Apr 12 16:10:50 <timeless_mbp> internal mmc, and removable sd
Apr 12 16:11:04 <timeless_mbp> if you didn't have a removable sd when you made your first 3 backups, they'd all go to the internal mmc
Apr 12 16:11:09 <timeless_mbp> however, if you later insert a removable sd
Apr 12 16:11:17 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: I mentioned this in this channel and was basically told that that couldn't possibly be, since so much work had been put into the backup program, and thus it was a noob error.  So I'm not really inclined to file a bug, thank you.
Apr 12 16:11:19 <timeless_mbp> it's possible that your next backup would be placed there instead
Apr 12 16:11:21 <timeless_mbp> and if you remove it
Apr 12 16:11:54 <timeless_mbp> then it wouldn't be listed ...
Apr 12 16:12:00 <timeless_mbp> this is a supported behavior
Apr 12 16:12:19 <timeless_mbp> and is useful, for e.g. transfering your data before sending your n900 in for servicing...
Apr 12 16:12:21 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: I know about removable uSD, thanks.  The fact is, not only do I know that the uSD was present for all backups, but that I did not reinsert/remove them in between the time when only 3 were visible and 4 were visible (since it involves removing the battery and then rebooting).
Apr 12 16:12:38 <timeless_mbp> err
Apr 12 16:12:45 <timeless_mbp> you do *not* need to remove the battery to remove the uSD
Apr 12 16:13:04 <timeless_mbp> the SIM card is behind the battery
Apr 12 16:13:05 <kwtm> Anyway, all this is just to explain why I'd like to be able to rsync my data wireless to my home server.  One advantage is that if I drop my N900 into the ocean, I still have my data.
Apr 12 16:13:08 <timeless_mbp> the uSD is not
Apr 12 16:13:28 <kwtm> Why, you're right!  I was thinking of the SIM card.  Ok, so that makes my point even more: I have *never* removed the uSD card from my N900 once inserted.
Apr 12 16:13:46 <timeless_mbp> well, now you've learned something new ;)
Apr 12 16:14:07 <kwtm> the uSD is too small for me to handle comfortably, so I decided that once I put it in, it would stay in.  The only exception was when I got my 2nd (and 3rd) N900, I inserted the uSD card into that device.
Apr 12 16:15:03 <kwtm> So, back to the original point ... would it be reasonable to expect that if I've backed up (using rsync or other copying strategy) everything under ~/ and under /var/lib/gconf  that my email account info would be preserved and restorable?
Apr 12 16:15:26 <crashanddie> As a product manager, I'd be tempted to reply: Of course not.
Apr 12 16:15:38 <timeless_mbp> "no"
Apr 12 16:15:41 <crashanddie> As a linux hacker, I'd be tempted to reply: use strace and find out.
Apr 12 16:15:48 <timeless_mbp> because using rsync to restore to /var/lib/gconf isn't likely to do the right thing
Apr 12 16:15:58 <kwtm> Then I guess back to the original question ... where is the email account info stored, so that I can restore it after a flash?
Apr 12 16:15:59 <timeless_mbp> the proper way is w/ gconf-tool2 or whatever
Apr 12 16:16:12 <MohammadAG> gcontool-2*
Apr 12 16:16:12 <timeless_mbp> this is your account info
Apr 12 16:16:23 * timeless_mbp offers mohammadag an 'f' :)
Apr 12 16:16:29 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: Oh, note that I didn't say I was going to use rsync to restore.  But that is where the information is if I need to restore?
Apr 12 16:16:34 <timeless_mbp> the account contents of course are in MyDocs
Apr 12 16:16:36 * MohammadAG accepts it
Apr 12 16:16:37 <timeless_mbp> yes
Apr 12 16:16:39 <kwtm> MohammadAG: Thank you.
Apr 12 16:16:53 <MohammadAG> gconftool-2*
Apr 12 16:17:28 <kwtm> So, I guess the next question is: if I want to restore, then I use gconftool-2?  That will say (more or less) "If you still have everything under MyDocs, I can restore the email account info"?
Apr 12 16:17:59 <timeless_mbp> the account configuration lives in gconf
Apr 12 16:18:05 * ArkanoiD- tried new modest.. looks nice, but it still takes 4 taps to get to my inbox :-((
Apr 12 16:18:19 <timeless_mbp> i have no idea how to convert a stale copy of a gconf file system into something that gconftool-2 can use to feed to a live gconf world
Apr 12 16:18:23 <timeless_mbp> but in theory it should be doable
Apr 12 16:18:32 <timeless_mbp> the mydocs content is just your mail
Apr 12 16:18:41 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: When you say account contents, you mean the contents of the email messages themselves?  I see.  So the settings (name of mail server, port numbers etc.) are in gconf.
Apr 12 16:18:51 <timeless_mbp> right
Apr 12 16:18:52 <corecode> any hint how to debug "authentication failed" messages for wpa/peap?
Apr 12 16:19:15 <MohammadAG> get schemas from /*?
Apr 12 16:19:21 <MohammadAG> then register them
Apr 12 16:19:25 <corecode> this works on our campus network, but here it doesn't, so i'd like to log some info what is failing exactly
Apr 12 16:20:08 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: So from what you are saying, if I use the Backup app, then the backup info itself (being stored in MyDocs) would be rsync'd by my backup strategy of saving everything under ~/, and then when I restore them back, then I can use the Backup app to restore my email account info (even though that info itself was stored in /var/whatever/gconf) right?
Apr 12 16:20:26 <timeless_mbp> yes
Apr 12 16:20:40 <timeless_mbp> the backup system has hooks which let apps serialize and restore settings
Apr 12 16:20:46 <timeless_mbp> mail is one of the subscribers
Apr 12 16:21:01 <timeless_mbp> (more or less)
Apr 12 16:21:09 <kwtm> timeless_mbp: Ok.  I will remember for next time.  One more question, out of curiosity:
Apr 12 16:21:20 <timeless_mbp> sure
Apr 12 16:22:10 <kwtm> You said  [09:06] <timeless_mbp> if you aren't crossing file systems when you make your rsync, then you'll lose *all* of your personal data     What was it I said that made you wonder if I might have included the   --one-file-system   flag?
Apr 12 16:23:24 <timeless_mbp> it was <back up all of ~/>
Apr 12 16:23:36 <timeless_mbp> there are plenty of naive implementations which would avoid crossing file systems
Apr 12 16:37:28 <MohammadAG> muhaha
Apr 12 16:37:47 <MohammadAG> I figured out how to take a splash screenshot in Qt
Apr 12 16:38:07 <MohammadAG> i.e this http://maemo.org/api_refs/5.0/5.0-final/hildon/hildon-Additions-to-GTK+.html#hildon-gtk-window-take-screenshot but in Qt
Apr 12 16:39:52 <timeless_mbp> the documentation is buggy
Apr 12 16:39:56 <timeless_mbp> it should say 'extant' not 'existent'
Apr 12 16:41:12 <timeless_mbp> also 'time changes' in the comment is bogus
Apr 12 16:41:18 <timeless_mbp> 'time changes' every minute
Apr 12 16:41:19 <timeless_mbp> ...
Apr 12 16:52:21 <Khertan_n900> Hello !
Apr 12 16:53:41 <Khertan_n900> MohammedAG : This is worst from what i think. Unfortunatly each time i try to clone the git repository i got connection error from gitorious. Will be hard to see the problem without the code :(
Apr 12 16:54:13 <MohammadAG> if anyone's interested in it, http://gitorious.org/qt-mediaplayer/mediaplayer/commit/0410f02d8083b184fcd50c03bbbec5d69ef9c163
Apr 12 16:54:17 <MohammadAG> heya Khertan
Apr 12 16:54:39 <MohammadAG> Khertan_n900, which repo, ours or gitorious's?
Apr 12 16:54:46 <Khertan_n900> This affect every Qt App that use QTextEdit, and QLineEdit,
Apr 12 16:55:09 <Khertan_n900> MohammadAG : the qt gitorious
Apr 12 16:56:02 <Khertan_n900> The best way to got this fixed quickly is to fix it myself i think :)
Apr 12 16:56:27 <Khertan_n900> this is why i was trying to see which commit add this bug
Apr 12 16:56:34 <MohammadAG> did you report a bug upstream?
Apr 12 16:56:34 <MohammadAG> i.e on Qt bugtrackers
Apr 12 16:58:18 <Khertan_n900> yep nbut i need to complete and edit it again as i affect all selection not just setExtraSelection
Apr 12 16:59:10 <Khertan_n900> http://bugreports.qt.nokia.com/browse/QTBUG-18720
Apr 12 16:59:36 <Khertan_n900> it s a real pain to enter bug in this bugtracker with microb
Apr 12 16:59:45 <Khertan_n900> ~ping
Apr 12 16:59:45 <infobot> ~pong
Apr 12 17:01:15 <MohammadAG> try to clone the CSSU repo
Apr 12 17:01:30 <MohammadAG> the qt repo fails for me too, I used a server to clone and push
Apr 12 17:01:50 <MohammadAG> then reset git commits up until upstream
Apr 12 17:02:43 <Khertan_n900> i ll try tomorrow as currently i didn't have any stable connection and nothing more than my n900 on 3g :) (i m in a train)
Apr 12 17:04:44 <Khertan_n900> yep i ll try that tomorrow
Apr 12 17:06:19 <Khertan_n900> it s not funny that there isn't any line about maemo in the changelog
Apr 12 17:06:49 <Khertan_n900> also i didn't see any mention of the merged commit i do on QAbstractKineticScroller in the changelog
Apr 12 17:15:54 <MohammadAG> Khertan_n900, it's merged
Apr 12 17:16:02 <MohammadAG> sec
Apr 12 17:16:28 <MohammadAG> https://gitorious.org/community-ssu/qt-x11-maemo/commit/22716aa9c2e6aa8fe40eba499bdb0b987014bdb7
Apr 12 17:21:39 <MohammadAG> what's better than tinypic? Apparently they replace screenshots/images when they feel like it http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=811829#post811829 >.<
Apr 12 17:26:05 <norayr> hey people
Apr 12 17:26:23 <norayr> My friend in another city wants to buy a second hand n810
Apr 12 17:26:46 <norayr> So I am unable to help him to check her purchase.
Apr 12 17:26:55 <norayr> her
Apr 12 17:27:06 <norayr> What can you suggest me to tell her
Apr 12 17:27:08 <norayr> to check
Apr 12 17:27:23 <norayr> By taking into consideration that I cannot suggesto to open a terminal and type commands
Apr 12 17:27:36 <ArkanoiD-> angry birds rio looks great
Apr 12 17:27:42 <norayr> Just how would she check that tablet works in order to buy it?
Apr 12 17:27:49 <ArkanoiD-> shame we do not have a native version
Apr 12 17:28:56 <xd13> copying all of looney tunes 2 n900....this is going 2 take a while
Apr 12 18:03:05 <divansantana> i've got a bug with latest CSSU update. It says not enough free space, I've got 826.5M free, which is 97% full (since I did the partition). Does the software look at the percentage perhaps?
Apr 12 18:16:03 <ejasmudar> @divansanatana, how much rootfs space do u have?
Apr 12 18:35:43 <yacc> Wondering, are there any tricks to consider for charging the N900 on USB (from a 12V car USB plug), ...
Apr 12 18:38:31 <cehteh> yacc: there are adapters, just be careful to use a micro usb standard charging compatible one
Apr 12 18:38:52 <cehteh> that is both data pins are shortened (possibly with a resistor)
Apr 12 18:39:16 <cehteh> otherwise it will only draw 100ma which is not enough for charging
Apr 12 18:39:21 <yacc> Well, the plug works well enough with my daughters iPhone, and the MicroUSB cable works well enough for charging when connected to the PC, ...
Apr 12 18:39:58 <yacc> Ah sucks, that would look like the symptoms => no charging animation, but orange LED after it turned itself off, ...
Apr 12 18:40:05 <cehteh> you can try shortening the data pins by yourself
Apr 12 18:40:49 <cehteh> well and its not the n900 fault, it just follows the standard, other devices dont
Apr 12 18:53:25 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
Apr 12 18:53:31 <DocScrutinizer> and no resistor needed
Apr 12 18:53:44 <DocScrutinizer> just short the middle two pins
Apr 12 18:58:20 <divansantana> @ejasmudar as said, 826MB in /home or /opt, had 73M in rootfs, remmoved some data out of /opt or /home and all was fine, posted to the ML.
Apr 12 19:13:41 <real_ate> hi all! i'm looking for a bit of help... I keep getting "connection reset by peer" when I try and download a podcast using gpodder on my n900 and what to know what to do to figure out what is wrong
Apr 12 19:14:13 <real_ate> can anyone point me in the direction of figuring out what is wrong with my phone/gpodder/my network?
Apr 12 19:17:11 <pupnik> hi real_ate
Apr 12 19:17:17 <real_ate> pupnik: hi
Apr 12 19:17:59 <pupnik> can you download large files without problems?
Apr 12 19:18:38 <real_ate> pupnik: i'm not sure... i just tried to download the offending file through my web browser and it ends prematurly, i.e. instantly
Apr 12 19:19:14 <real_ate> so it seems to be a phone problem ... :/
Apr 12 19:21:15 <real_ate> pupnik: any idea how i can narrow this down? or is there anything that i can do ?
Apr 12 19:27:03 <pupnik> real_ate: are you connected via wifi or cell network?
Apr 12 19:27:24 <pupnik> real_ate: try to transfer larger files from local computers
Apr 12 19:27:36 <real_ate> pupnik: i'm on wifi
Apr 12 19:27:41 <real_ate> pupnik: i'll try that now
Apr 12 19:28:23 <pupnik> i'm not aware of any particular tweaks needed
Apr 12 19:36:20 <real_ate> pupnik: downloading seems fine on my internal network
Apr 12 19:40:38 <pupnik> real_ate: hmm hmm.  you could install 'wget' on the n900 and try 'wget http://pupnik.de/airstrike_1.0_pre6.deb'  for e.g
Apr 12 19:41:01 <pupnik> or http://pupnik.de/Ultima7_music_stereo_remastered_mp3.tgz   for a larger file
Apr 12 19:50:26 <real_ate> pupnik: downloading now
Apr 12 19:50:38 <real_ate> pupnik: hmm... seems to have stalled at 5%
Apr 12 19:50:44 <pupnik> :*
Apr 12 19:51:38 <real_ate> hasn't kicked back in yet
Apr 12 19:51:44 <real_ate> ... hmm... i'll try again
Apr 12 19:51:50 <pupnik> wonder if maybe your MTU is set too high
Apr 12 19:52:05 <pupnik> you could try setting the maximum transmission of your unit 10% lower
Apr 12 19:52:10 * real_ate doesn't know what MTU is
Apr 12 19:52:42 <pupnik> have you used other laptops/computers on the wireless lan?
Apr 12 19:53:03 <real_ate> yea.. but come to think of it there are some problems with them sometimes too
Apr 12 19:53:28 <real_ate> pupnik: ssh over the wireless hangs
Apr 12 19:53:41 <real_ate> every so often it just pauses and won't kick back in
Apr 12 19:54:07 <pupnik> :/
Apr 12 19:55:35 <SpeedEvil> real_ate: Typical of powersaving not working well.
Apr 12 19:56:02 <SpeedEvil> Try turning off powersaving. settings -> internet connections ->then scroll all the way to the end - and the powersave settings are there
Apr 12 19:58:48 <pupnik> ahh gooddness advice from mr SpeedEvil
Apr 12 19:59:14 <real_ate> SpeedEvil: still cutting out but it made it to 30% instead of 5%
Apr 12 19:59:36 <SpeedEvil> It does this even if you're closer to the router?
Apr 12 19:59:53 <real_ate> brb
Apr 12 19:59:56 * real_ate goes to check
Apr 12 20:08:33 <real_ate> SpeedEvil: it seems to be better in the same room as the router
Apr 12 20:08:41 <real_ate> but not working 100% yet
Apr 12 20:09:08 <real_ate> it downloaded fine the first time, then made it to 90% the second
Apr 12 20:09:15 <pupnik> :(
Apr 12 20:09:48 <real_ate> pupnik: am i killing your bandwidth btw ? :/
Apr 12 20:09:54 <pupnik> no
Apr 12 20:10:48 <SpeedEvil> odd
Apr 12 20:11:11 <real_ate> SpeedEvil: do you think this MTU problem has legs?
Apr 12 20:11:40 <real_ate> does anyone know how I check if its set too high?
Apr 12 20:12:18 <SpeedEvil> I dunno.
Apr 12 20:12:19 <pupnik> well it shouldnt be a problem with a sensible ISP
Apr 12 20:12:25 <SpeedEvil> I'm probably going to sleep.
Apr 12 20:12:31 <pupnik> cheers
Apr 12 20:12:35 <real_ate> SpeedEvil: thank you for your help!
Apr 12 20:13:00 <real_ate> pupnik: its prob not a problem since my provider is a Fiber provide....
Apr 12 20:13:09 <real_ate> i assume they know what they are doing ;)
Apr 12 20:13:14 <real_ate> Virgin Broadband
Apr 12 20:15:22 <pupnik> mtu would be set in your router / wifi configuration
Apr 12 20:15:35 <FIQ> PR1.3.3.7
Apr 12 20:15:45 <FIQ> hmmmmmmmm, why would it be called that........ :P
Apr 12 20:15:46 <pupnik> but if you got 30% then it seems unlikely that's the problem
Apr 12 20:15:51 <pupnik> lol
Apr 12 20:16:03 <FIQ> a coincidence ofc
Apr 12 20:17:25 <real_ate> pupnik: i have done the "ping test" for mtu... its not the problem
Apr 12 20:18:02 <pupnik> check forums perhaps - i have no idea
Apr 12 20:20:06 <real_ate> pupnik: thanks for your help
Apr 12 20:20:15 <pupnik> good luck!
Apr 12 20:37:00 <MohammadAG> does anyone know how to interpret key presses that show up in /dev/input/eventX?
Apr 12 20:38:57 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at the Humble Bundle showing, once again, how stingy Windows users are.
Apr 12 20:40:23 <ShadowJK> Well they'd be skint, spending all their money on windows in the first place ;D
Apr 12 20:41:49 <real_ate> eh... does everyone see this page all wrong ? http://maemo.org/community/brainstorm/view/wireless_sync_for_media-especially_music/
Apr 12 20:44:33 <argent0> hi, i mount the device using mass storge mode (i'm using linux). Where should i put music files?
Apr 12 20:44:44 <trx> MohammadAG http://www.thelinuxdaily.com/2010/05/grab-raw-keyboard-input-from-event-device-node-devinputevent/
Apr 12 20:45:38 <nox-> there also is evtest (tho no idea if on n900)
Apr 12 20:47:22 <ShadowJK> argent0, .sounds
Apr 12 20:47:36 <trx> nox- i dont think so
Apr 12 20:48:05 <argent0> ShadowJK: i did tried there, but how can i acces that folder from the term on the device?
Apr 12 20:49:01 <ShadowJK> MyDocs/.sounds
Apr 12 20:50:11 <argent0> ShadowJK: Thank you very much ideed
Apr 12 20:50:52 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: /usr/src/linux/Documentation/input
Apr 12 20:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> +/
Apr 12 20:51:10 <DocScrutinizer> +*
Apr 12 20:51:13 <MohammadAG> trx, DocScrutinizer thanks
Apr 12 20:51:28 <MohammadAG> I suppose bluez allows a connection to a device without pairing?
Apr 12 20:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> if the device had been paired before, then probably yes
Apr 12 20:56:35 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, unpaired, has no pairing key
Apr 12 20:57:58 <DocScrutinizer> well, afaik you can transmit data via BT to an unpaired device as well. Otherwise the BT dating in arabic subways and busses wouldn't work ;-D
Apr 12 21:00:29 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bluedating
Apr 12 21:02:14 <DocScrutinizer> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Toothing
Apr 12 21:03:08 <MohammadAG> heh, the PS3's BT remote is fun
Apr 12 21:03:16 <tripzero> you can send files without pairing
Apr 12 21:03:24 <MohammadAG> 0-9 keys actually send proper HID codes
Apr 12 21:03:30 <MohammadAG> eject ejects my laptop's drive
Apr 12 21:04:04 <MohammadAG> play button toggles playback too
Apr 12 21:04:12 <MohammadAG> I love how sony uses standards for most parts
Apr 12 21:08:46 <MohammadAG> tripzero, try pairing without a key, it doesn't work
Apr 12 21:10:15 <MohammadAG> at least with the N900's UI
Apr 12 21:10:51 <ShadowJK> uh, duh
Apr 12 21:11:01 <GeneralAntilles> Seasoning large batches of caste iron is such a pain.
Apr 12 21:11:09 <pupnik> ??
Apr 12 21:11:18 <ShadowJK> Because pairing is all about exchanging the keys to make a permanent (until user deletes it) authentication
Apr 12 21:11:18 <pupnik> seasoning?
Apr 12 21:11:25 <pupnik> wb GeneralAntilles
Apr 12 21:11:43 <GeneralAntilles> s/caste/cast
Apr 12 21:11:51 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik: bonding a layer of carbon to the surface.
Apr 12 21:12:02 <pupnik> interesting activity
Apr 12 21:12:15 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik: never cooked on cast iron?
Apr 12 21:12:28 <pupnik> yes
Apr 12 21:12:34 <pupnik> i always scrubbed it
Apr 12 21:12:52 <pupnik> guess i'm silly
Apr 12 21:12:57 <MohammadAG> ShadowJK, connecting without a key should be possible with the UI nontheless
Apr 12 21:13:03 <MohammadAG> most mice and HID devices don't come with a key nowadays
Apr 12 21:13:12 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik: better than teflon when it's seasoned correctly.
Apr 12 21:13:44 <pupnik> good ol tech! :)
Apr 12 21:14:00 <GeneralAntilles> Yes.
Apr 12 21:15:26 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: those have a standard pin, like 0000
Apr 12 21:16:51 * ShadowJK knew how to make BlueZ3 accept unauthenticated incoming connection :/
Apr 12 21:18:43 <MohammadAG> DocScrutinizer, not the one I'm using now
Apr 12 21:18:44 <DocScrutinizer> I usually name my BT device "Your Network Provider Update Service ", so when I try to send a file to an unpaired other phone, the message showing there is: >>Your Network Provider Update Service wants to transmit a file! Accept / Reject?<<
Apr 12 21:19:25 <nox-> haha
Apr 12 21:19:49 <pupnik> wb nox
Apr 12 21:19:56 <nox-> moin pupnik
Apr 12 21:19:56 <pupnik> nice
Apr 12 21:22:32 <GeneralAntilles> By the way, in case you've missed it: http://www.humblebundle.com/
Apr 12 21:24:05 <pupnik> any you enjoy from that GeneralAntilles ?
Apr 12 21:24:55 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik: Only played a bit of Trine. Mostly a cartoony D2 clone.
Apr 12 21:25:01 <GeneralAntilles> But well enough put togeth.r
Apr 12 21:26:23 <pupnik> descent 2?  <nausea>
Apr 12 21:30:09 <GeneralAntilles> Diable II
Apr 12 21:30:24 <pupnik> oh neat
Apr 12 21:31:26 <GeneralAntilles> pupnik, ever played Avara?
Apr 12 21:32:10 <MohammadAG> ~seen lcuk
Apr 12 21:32:18 <infobot> lcuk <lcuk@Maemo/community/contributor/lcuk> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 11d 23h 36m 1s ago, saying: 'thiago_home, do kdelibs load faster then?'.
Apr 12 21:34:24 <pupnik> nope GeneralAntilles
Apr 12 21:35:16 <pupnik> interesting, something macheads would know
Apr 12 21:36:26 <pupnik> oh bolo was fun too
Apr 12 21:36:54 <SpeedEvil> Bolo was awesome.
Apr 12 21:37:26 <GeneralAntilles> Bolo was amazing.
Apr 12 21:37:32 <pupnik> :)
Apr 12 21:37:33 <GeneralAntilles> I wish they had a modern clone that people actually played.
Apr 12 21:39:16 <pupnik> there was something a bit similar for PC called 'snipe'
Apr 12 21:39:25 <pupnik> "brun bolo"
Apr 12 21:39:31 <pupnik> ahh brun
Apr 12 21:39:34 <pupnik> the memories
Apr 12 21:40:12 <pupnik> "whirr whirr whirr"
Apr 12 21:42:00 <pupnik> and the sound of that apple speaker
Apr 12 21:43:51 <pupnik> nice touch: in bolo explosions from enemies that touched you would kill you
Apr 12 21:56:59 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ba030UmbkCo  TSA molests and drug tests 6 year old  baahahah
Apr 12 21:57:10 <pupnik> comments are precious
Apr 12 22:45:56 <SpeedEvil> http://www.dealextreme.com/p/cute-toilet-plunger-shaped-silicone-stand-holder-for-cell-phone-black-70408
Apr 12 22:46:11 <SpeedEvil> I see china has their own definition of cute.
Apr 12 22:46:26 <GeneralAntilles> What the hell kind of useless game doesn't let you bind punctuation keys? . . .
Apr 12 22:50:53 <pupnik> hehe the one i'm on has limited bindings also
Apr 12 22:51:57 <SpeedEvil> I've played nethack on the n900.
Apr 12 22:52:00 <SpeedEvil> It's a bit silly.
Apr 12 22:52:29 <cehteh> mhm .. i have an external numpad keyboard .. with hostmode one could plug that into the n900
Apr 12 22:52:44 <cehteh> once i buyed that for playing nethack on my laptop :P
Apr 12 22:52:51 <SpeedEvil> That would make nethack actually playable.
Apr 12 22:53:01 <cehteh> exactly :)
Apr 12 22:53:20 <Dibblah> Right. Confirmed, I think, that something is very dead in my N900's VBUS circuitry.
Apr 12 22:53:22 <SpeedEvil> Or travel-to-press.
Apr 12 22:53:34 <SpeedEvil> Is it a rabbit?
Apr 12 22:54:06 <Dibblah> Could be, but it'd have to be a very small rabbit. A pico-rabbit, if you will.
Apr 12 22:54:11 <trx> haha
Apr 12 22:55:01 <SpeedEvil> Where were you  applying vbus?
Apr 12 22:55:51 <Dibblah> http://cgi.ebay.co.uk/MICROSOFT-BLUETOOTH-NUMBER-PAD-MODEL-1391-/150574209746?pt=UK_Computing_ComputerComponents_KeyboardsMice&hash=item230eec1ad2
Apr 12 22:56:08 <Dibblah> On the fuse right next to the USB port.
Apr 12 22:56:35 <Dibblah> I've confirmed continuity all the way up to a capacitor just by the USB charger chip.
Apr 12 22:57:37 <SpeedEvil> Oh - I was thinking GAIA had the USB hostmode charegpump and battery charger - my bad.
Apr 12 22:57:42 <SpeedEvil> Memory fade.
Apr 12 22:59:25 <pupnik> a collection of free icons http://www.neurosoftware.ro/programming-blog/blogposter/web-resources/the-top-50-web-development-icon-sets-from-2009/
Apr 12 22:59:53 <SpeedEvil> Hmm. Someone plugged in a high voltage PSU - then ripped the USB connector off - then tried for warranty?
Apr 12 23:02:32 <Dibblah> Could be - But you'd have to be rather insane to make up a microUSB -> anything other than 5v.
Apr 12 23:02:41 <SpeedEvil> Broken charger?
Apr 12 23:03:23 <Dibblah> Possibly. Would have to be very broken to be able to desolder the connector :)
Apr 12 23:04:08 <SpeedEvil> Maybe they thought that that would be a fault that required a motherboard replacement - and warranty was denied for some reason?
Apr 12 23:05:34 <Dibblah> I'm going with "it's just broke and I can't fix it" :)
Apr 12 23:05:42 <SpeedEvil> Fair enough.
Apr 13 00:13:55 * GeneralAntilles notes the CALM act has seemingly accomplished absolutely nothing.
Apr 13 00:13:59 <GeneralAntilles> Go, go, big goverment!
Apr 13 00:24:21 <tripzero> GeneralAntilles, yays
Apr 13 00:25:06 <tripzero> lols: "CALM Act is the most popular piece of legislation she's sponsored in her 18 years in Congress."
Apr 13 00:25:14 <tripzero> 18years well spent
Apr 13 00:25:31 <tripzero> in school, we'd give her a "gold star" for effort
Apr 13 00:26:20 <tripzero> i'm so glad i don't watch tv
Apr 13 00:27:44 <SpeedEvil> I would be a supporter of a meta-act.
Apr 13 00:28:22 <SpeedEvil> A requirement to transmit metadata along with audio passed through a compressor (audio, not data) to enable teh compression reversing.
Apr 13 00:34:04 <GeneralAntilles> tripzero: wouldn't, but sports, you know. . . .
Apr 13 00:34:23 <tripzero> i try to watch my sports online if i can
Apr 13 00:34:30 <tripzero> although for some sports that isn't possible
Apr 13 00:34:48 <tripzero> and even for the NBA, it's difficult at times
Apr 13 00:34:48 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, any big team in a local market. :P
Apr 13 00:35:06 <tripzero> yeh, :(
Apr 13 00:35:41 <GeneralAntilles> MLB really needs to update its incredibly archaic broadcast regulations.
Apr 13 00:35:52 <GeneralAntilles> Stupid tax-payer supported monopolies.
Apr 13 00:35:58 <tripzero> agreed
Apr 13 00:36:33 <GeneralAntilles> 'course MLB is all about the "Tradition" (read: slimeball corruption).
Apr 13 00:36:41 <tripzero> haha
Apr 13 00:37:23 * GeneralAntilles chuckles at Boston being fail.
Apr 13 00:37:43 <tripzero> the city or the team?
Apr 13 00:37:47 <tripzero> (or both?)
Apr 13 00:37:48 <GeneralAntilles> Well, both.
Apr 13 00:37:51 <tripzero> haha
Apr 13 00:37:53 <tripzero> +1
Apr 13 00:37:55 <GeneralAntilles> But the baseball team right at this moment.
Apr 13 00:38:28 <GeneralAntilles> Was talking to one of the MLB owners at a book signing last Summer. He said there's basically no chance of getting TV reviews with the current MLB dictatorship.
Apr 13 00:38:46 <GeneralAntilles> Even though most of the owners want it.
Apr 13 00:43:53 <tripzero> bah
Apr 13 00:43:57 <tripzero> "hey gentoo user, why don't you use this project?" user: "because of the deps on libqt and dbus".  "what's wrong with... oh, you are a gentoo user, it all makes sense now..."
Apr 13 00:44:16 <tripzero> some people's children...
Apr 13 02:19:08 <Sc0rpius> we need an update to Maemo pidgin :(
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