**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 16 02:59:59 2011 Apr 16 03:17:16 What is the page that got those green arrows for enabling the -test and -dev repos? Apr 16 03:23:51 http://www.ocpp.org/blue/Danny_Kaye_-_I_Paid_My_Income_Tax_Today.mp3 >_< listen Apr 16 03:32:00 "At Treasury Secretary Henry Morganthau’s request, Irving Berlin wrote a flag-waving propaganda song, “I Paid My Income Tax Today,” which was announced at the end of January 1942." Apr 16 03:35:01 amusing Apr 16 03:46:05 Hm, i've just reflashed my rootfs, would it be worth setting up a chroot to another copy of the rootfs to keep the original intact and easier to recover? Apr 16 03:46:37 I mean, should i take this opportunity to do this? Apr 16 03:47:06 2011041502003803 Apr 16 03:47:28 sry false copy&paste Apr 16 04:20:31 Hm, can't install Synaptic? Balls :( Apr 16 06:21:42 ...There are just two people left who can speak Ayapaneco fluently -- but they refuse to talk to each other... Apr 16 06:22:54 daimonin client: new quickslot prototype and many improved icons http://i.imgur.com/yXkkt.jpg Apr 16 06:33:37 tell me the ugliest things - stuff you notice first Apr 16 07:38:08 morning Apr 16 07:39:40 should hildon desktop be constantly consuming 4-7% cpu? Apr 16 07:45:54 no Apr 16 08:06:05 something has increased my idle load from 6mA to 30mA Apr 16 08:07:07 freakin aliens Apr 16 08:13:25 MohammadAG: may be related to catorize... https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=10412 Apr 16 08:13:27 Bug 10412: hildon-desktop cpu usage, result=causes slow battery drain Apr 16 08:14:24 pupnik, that was fixed in the CSSU if you use that Apr 16 08:15:19 https://maemo.gitorious.org/fremantle-hildon-desktop/hildon-desktop/commit/460912aac97f2cfcb816c4900c20a5a46ec3f10e Apr 16 08:15:50 hmm, deleting my only widget application and now hildon desktop is at 0.0 Apr 16 08:16:12 widgets are run by hildon-home, not hildon-desktop Apr 16 08:16:16 ahh Apr 16 08:16:35 thanks for the link! ) Apr 16 08:17:46 so many awesome apps here that aren't available for android, or would be a pain to get running Apr 16 08:29:08 * pupnik swears silently as he trips over usb charging cord for the 42nd time Apr 16 08:30:07 hehe Apr 16 08:30:15 why is it on the ground? Apr 16 08:32:48 because the table has no power outlets Apr 16 09:02:18 locals Apr 16 09:02:24 oop Apr 16 09:21:21 good morning Apr 16 09:58:57 pupnik: that's hoe USB receptacle gets loose most usually Apr 16 10:00:28 guess its dead Apr 16 10:01:05 anyways since maemo is an linux based os , is there something like srs for it ? Apr 16 10:04:38 no response Apr 16 10:04:40 ohwell Apr 16 10:05:02 'Memory not accessible. unable to save content' error :( Apr 16 10:10:01 srs? Apr 16 10:10:19 surround sound Apr 16 10:10:44 or 3d sound Apr 16 10:10:47 ah Apr 16 10:11:03 Sound is based on pulseaudio Apr 16 10:11:38 if you call it that way Apr 16 10:11:53 Even if you don't. Apr 16 10:12:00 It's still based on pulseaudio. Apr 16 10:12:08 i see Apr 16 10:13:03 but is there something like that for n900? Apr 16 10:15:23 Uh... possibly; 3D sound is 'faked' through the use of(basically) an equalizer Apr 16 10:16:02 You can use Rockbox which has a built-in equalizer. Or, possibly, take your music, set your PC up with a "headphones" equalizer and record through that Apr 16 10:16:29 ssymfonie i use Apr 16 10:16:59 what about incredible sound Apr 16 10:17:12 Uh... Apr 16 10:17:14 ? Apr 16 10:17:30 its something portable speakers use Apr 16 10:17:39 For incredible sound, resample everything to 24kb/s Apr 16 10:17:46 XD Apr 16 10:17:48 but i thought an srs would be nice for n900 Apr 16 10:17:56 Just configure your equalizer Apr 16 10:20:49 You can always try Rockbox; it's got loads of presets to make your music sound 'better'. Apr 16 10:22:06 right Apr 16 10:22:23 so how come i didnt get the memo about opera11 being absolutely mindblowing on n900 Apr 16 10:22:41 i (heart) ff to the core, but this is on another level Apr 16 10:23:09 Dunno; never used it Apr 16 10:23:47 you owe it to yourself to at least try it one time :) Apr 16 10:30:14 on another note, is there some known method to get better resolution thumbnails for contacts with hermes Apr 16 10:31:26 opera is awesome Apr 16 10:33:40 well, also doesn't know flash, but aiui no second source browser will, as (dunno why) microB flash "plugin" isn't compatible, and CPU grunt is too weak for sw-emulated (non-hw-accelerated) flash Apr 16 10:39:23 and on another note, is there something that display your current ip in a visually pleasant way in statusmenu/desktop Apr 16 10:40:19 or just what do you guys your for that Apr 16 10:40:21 use* Apr 16 10:41:42 Uh Apr 16 10:42:02 Like personal IP address widget? Apr 16 10:48:20 hi...running meego -de on n900, both tablet and handset versions connect fine to my wifi, but cant connect to the net...i have an ip address on wlan0, but unable to ping my router, any ideas? Apr 16 10:59:57 this rockbox support lossless? Apr 16 11:00:12 aka flac, ape,tak,tta Apr 16 11:04:38 Yea Apr 16 11:04:45 flac at least, probably ape Apr 16 11:04:55 http://www.rockbox.org/ Apr 16 11:05:36 ape... I doubt it Apr 16 11:05:46 iirc ape isn't really Free friendly Apr 16 11:08:38 http://www.rockbox.org/wiki/SoundCodecMonkeysAudio Apr 16 11:12:49 ahh Apr 16 11:12:50 I guess Apr 16 11:12:53 don't really care Apr 16 11:13:08 I mostly have ogg, flac and a few mp3s Apr 16 11:14:29 I've got perhaps half a dozen ogg, a couple flac and mostly mp3s of varying quality Apr 16 11:14:54 opera 11 for diablo Apr 16 11:14:59 :-o Apr 16 11:15:05 talk about new life? Apr 16 11:33:46 i think there are some open-source HRTF models and datasets if someone's interested AsusEeePC Apr 16 12:01:04 Qt's kinda crappy on symbian Apr 16 12:05:12 Weeelll.... Apr 16 12:55:10 who had looose connector? Apr 16 12:55:27 usb port on n900 i mean Apr 16 12:57:07 mine is ok Apr 16 12:57:55 despite the way i abuse it: http://milliways.chance.ru/~ark/images/hostmode.jpg Apr 16 13:04:44 MohammadAG: pong Apr 16 13:11:23 RST38h, any chance you're making SF. Apr 16 13:12:09 SF as in what? Apr 16 13:13:52 MeeGoConf Apr 16 13:14:43 ZogG: i had but it was plug on charger Apr 16 13:14:59 jacekowski i don't know if it charger or usb Apr 16 13:15:13 when it get broken it's ripped out of n900 at all? Apr 16 13:15:13 charger very likely Apr 16 13:15:20 no Apr 16 13:15:31 i think tiny thing inside usb on n900 is moving little bit Apr 16 13:15:31 ZogG: try poking it gently with something Apr 16 13:15:35 ZogG: and see if it moves Apr 16 13:15:37 and it wouldn't chatge =( Apr 16 13:15:45 ZogG: metal thing Apr 16 13:15:52 not metal Apr 16 13:15:55 the one inside Apr 16 13:16:04 with contacts Apr 16 13:16:25 can you connect it to pc with normal cable? Apr 16 13:16:49 woudn't help ( Apr 16 13:16:55 then it's broken Apr 16 13:17:04 and it's not the way it's broken normally Apr 16 13:17:32 GAN900: Ah,that... Probably not. Not the best time in my life at the moment. Apr 16 13:17:36 i have microusb to usb Apr 16 13:17:45 if i connect it to pc with normal usb cable? Apr 16 13:17:59 ZogG: cable that came with a phone Apr 16 13:18:39 tred that Apr 16 13:18:42 no effect Apr 16 13:18:45 so uhm how do i install this rockplayer Apr 16 13:18:54 oh Apr 16 13:18:56 ZogG: then it's broken Apr 16 13:19:06 it does work on laptop Apr 16 13:19:18 it turned yellow light for once Apr 16 13:20:36 just came up with a much faster (discrete, integer) model for laplacian growth Apr 16 13:20:51 its for my n900 Apr 16 13:21:04 well nothing more than a hack, i guess Apr 16 13:21:20 jacekowski, i think i managed Apr 16 13:21:27 but i played with cable Apr 16 13:21:36 and i think it's inside phone Apr 16 13:23:56 jacekowski nope still fighting with it Apr 16 13:25:12 RST38h, sorry to hear that. Apr 16 13:27:02 RST38h, I'm currently worried the Intel marketing people are going to overpower us and stuff us in a closet. :P Apr 16 13:31:28 <_trine> I cant update apps anymore or get to the repositories Apr 16 13:31:37 <_trine> this is what I see in th elog Apr 16 13:31:41 <_trine> http://dpaste.com/532674/ Apr 16 13:31:56 <_trine> my wifes N900 has no problem Apr 16 13:32:02 <_trine> any ideas Apr 16 13:33:18 <_trine> what does the E: mean ? Apr 16 13:33:23 error Apr 16 13:34:14 <_trine> any ideas why an error would occur Apr 16 13:34:19 I personally would suggest removing those files and try update again Apr 16 13:34:32 <_trine> which files Apr 16 13:34:44 don't know, it could be almost anything from perms to corrupt file Apr 16 13:35:31 /var/lib/apt/lists/*._Packages Apr 16 13:40:01 <_trine> I deleted all the files in that folder but its just the same Apr 16 13:40:33 <_trine> when I try to download new apps it says no-applications available Apr 16 13:40:54 jacekowski yeah whole thing came out Apr 16 13:41:14 ZogG: metal thing? Apr 16 13:41:20 yeah Apr 16 13:41:28 you broke it Apr 16 13:41:33 jacekowski what options do i have? Apr 16 13:41:37 nokia care Apr 16 13:41:41 or sit down and cry Apr 16 13:41:49 make a backup while it's still charged Apr 16 13:41:51 we don't have officialy n900 in here Apr 16 13:41:59 nokia care Apr 16 13:42:05 they will probably help Apr 16 13:42:39 MohammadAG may know something about nokia in israel Apr 16 13:44:48 http://europe.nokia.com/support/repair-and-recycle/repair/care-points Apr 16 13:44:53 no nokia care Apr 16 13:44:57 MohammadAG, ping Apr 16 13:45:16 jacekowski, and what are the chances to fix it manually? Apr 16 13:46:24 slim Apr 16 13:49:13 jacekowski checking with friends from intel Apr 16 13:49:28 he is working therre in engeneering or something Apr 16 13:49:31 if he can do it Apr 16 13:50:32 well, you would have to check how bad is it Apr 16 13:50:36 did it just desoldered Apr 16 13:50:41 or ripped tracks as well Apr 16 13:52:31 jacekowski how many tracks it have? Apr 16 13:52:40 i have 3 left on it Apr 16 13:52:41 5 Apr 16 13:52:57 so =( Apr 16 13:53:07 Vbus D+ D- Id GND Apr 16 13:53:12 wait what phones have same parts Apr 16 13:53:28 N86 ? Apr 16 13:53:30 have you opened your phone already? Apr 16 13:53:36 not yet Apr 16 13:53:42 i see on part outsie Apr 16 13:53:48 so how do you know what is left inside Apr 16 13:53:59 i'm not talking about socket itself Apr 16 13:54:00 inside i think it's left 2 =) Apr 16 13:54:08 then you're in a shit Apr 16 13:54:15 why? Apr 16 13:54:18 http://cgi.ebay.com/USB-Port-Charging-Connector-NOKIA-N86-N900-7210C-5220C-/220754421623?pt=PDA_Accessories&hash=item3365fd2777#ht_1844wt_907 Apr 16 13:54:23 if i buy that one? Apr 16 13:54:25 if it lifted tracks from pcb there is no way to do them again Apr 16 13:54:32 i'm talking about pcb not a connector Apr 16 13:54:36 _trine, what does the logs say? Apr 16 13:54:40 why? Apr 16 13:54:48 because PCB can't be replaced Apr 16 13:54:51 connector can Apr 16 13:54:53 and it's cheap Apr 16 13:55:00 so you have to check if PCB is damaged or not Apr 16 13:55:32 <_trine> psycho_oreos, I am just copying a folder so I will have to wait till this has finished Apr 16 13:56:10 jacekowski, my friend works at intel factory making cpu's i think he have tools, can it be managed in lab or i need to change pcb so i need new one? Apr 16 13:56:43 ZogG: depends if it's damaged or not Apr 16 13:57:02 ZogG: if it's damaged you need new pcb ( and everything that's on it ( so it's pretty much new phone ) ) Apr 16 13:59:01 jacekowski, how it can be damaged? Apr 16 13:59:39 by ripping connector out? Apr 16 13:59:52 how do you think connector is connected to pcb? Apr 16 13:59:54 it's soldered Apr 16 13:59:59 to copper tracks on that pcb Apr 16 14:00:04 and copper tracks are glued to pcb Apr 16 14:00:23 when you rip that connector out it's either glue or solder that gives up Apr 16 14:00:29 if you're lucky it was solder Apr 16 14:00:34 if you're not it was glue Apr 16 14:00:41 in most cases it's glue Apr 16 14:06:05 can anyone remind what stopped you from putting app launchers on diablo's hildon-desktop Apr 16 14:06:18 remind me* Apr 16 14:17:52 macmaN: Queen Beecon? Apr 16 14:18:35 macmaN: sorry, I didn't understood you. Little hangover Apr 16 14:20:28 jacekowski ok i disassembeled it =) Apr 16 14:20:41 jacekowski, now how do i check? Apr 16 14:21:00 i even don't have camera to take pics =( Apr 16 14:21:49 <_trine> psycho_oreos, which logs ? Apr 16 14:24:52 jacekowski, ping Apr 16 14:27:33 ZogG: well, you have to get to place where usb connector used to be Apr 16 14:27:42 jacekowski i see it Apr 16 14:27:49 and how does it look? Apr 16 14:27:54 how i know if it's can be fixed or not? Apr 16 14:28:08 are tracks still there? Apr 16 14:28:37 i see 2 are in places Apr 16 14:28:56 are you talking about pins from that connector Apr 16 14:28:59 or tracks on pcb Apr 16 14:29:18 i'm confused what is tracks Apr 16 14:29:32 like i see 5 little thins connector should be pluged to Apr 16 14:29:48 1 of them is like full Apr 16 14:30:08 http://arpa.org/visual/pcb.jpg Apr 16 14:30:12 that's a PCB Apr 16 14:30:15 hmm Apr 16 14:30:18 that's not a real pcb Apr 16 14:30:35 wait Apr 16 14:30:44 have you ever disassembled one? Apr 16 14:30:45 http://pictures.xbox-scene.com/1/enigmah/enigmah_pcb.jpg Apr 16 14:30:47 that's a PCB Apr 16 14:30:51 ZogG: yes Apr 16 14:30:57 can i take part with microsd off? Apr 16 14:31:02 i'm giving you simple example Apr 16 14:31:11 ZogG: there is that ribbon connecting it to main pcb Apr 16 14:31:18 ZogG: don't damage it Apr 16 14:31:23 ZogG: there is no way to replace it Apr 16 14:31:33 ZogG: take a look at picture i linked Apr 16 14:31:34 i just pull it off? Apr 16 14:31:40 ZogG: that's a PCB Apr 16 14:31:54 ZogG: these silver looking things on are tracks Apr 16 14:31:59 ZogG: or pads Apr 16 14:32:06 depending on location Apr 16 14:32:10 ok Apr 16 14:32:11 they are called differently Apr 16 14:32:19 you solder components to them Apr 16 14:32:22 i see 5 of thems Apr 16 14:32:28 tracks are held to pcb with just glue Apr 16 14:32:30 but several looks not that silver anymore =) Apr 16 14:32:48 well, they may be copper colour Apr 16 14:33:01 or whiteish looking as well Apr 16 14:33:04 i mean they are like ripped off in half Apr 16 14:33:30 hmm Apr 16 14:33:42 photo would be the best Apr 16 14:33:50 like you have old sticker and you take it off Apr 16 14:33:57 but it's like off but still left Apr 16 14:34:01 if you get what i mean Apr 16 14:34:11 i don't have batteries for camera =( Apr 16 14:34:42 hmm, well, thing is is it glue and whatever they use to keep tracks stuck to pcb Apr 16 14:35:16 ask your friend Apr 16 14:35:22 that would be the best thing to do Apr 16 14:35:22 <_trine> hmmm it wont even let me unistall apps either its says 'internal error' Apr 16 14:41:02 <_trine> is there a way to reset the N900 to defaults or would I need to reflash it Apr 16 14:43:44 jacekowski how do i take off microsd part Apr 16 14:43:48 affraid to break it Apr 16 14:46:52 ZogG: broken solder looks whitish Apr 16 14:48:39 ZogG: (afraid) better you are. this is a very delicate piece and glued on by sticky tape really tight Apr 16 14:49:11 DocScrutinizer51, took it out Apr 16 14:49:16 plus you have that ribbon connection to main PCB that MUST NOT break Apr 16 14:49:25 it was dirty than sticky tape is not the same anymore =) Apr 16 14:49:37 the ribbon is alright Apr 16 14:50:46 you can carefully 'scratch' the white pads with a screwdriver and see if they get silver Apr 16 14:51:05 or copper Apr 16 14:52:12 <_trine> and apply some flux Apr 16 14:52:59 DocScrutinizer51 and if the y do? Apr 16 14:53:25 then you're lucky and can reolder the USB Apr 16 14:53:42 re-solder Apr 16 14:53:48 i think the connections are ok Apr 16 14:54:26 but i do need new connector anyway i think Apr 16 14:54:48 you got 5 contacts plus 4 large mech support pads Apr 16 14:55:39 support pads are not that important right? Apr 16 14:56:33 DocScrutinizer51 as i already got it appart, there is somethin between power and camera button like small battery Apr 16 14:56:37 is it inside battery? Apr 16 14:57:07 ackup bat for RTC Apr 16 14:57:12 usually broken Apr 16 14:57:31 yeah mine is broken Apr 16 14:57:40 can it be replaced? Apr 16 14:57:48 maybe i'll order are buy something Apr 16 14:57:50 yes Apr 16 14:57:55 any advice on it s well? Apr 16 14:58:08 I usually recommend a supercap Apr 16 14:58:32 I'll post the link when at home Apr 16 14:59:01 the LiIo cells all break after 6 months Apr 16 15:00:01 can usay me more details Apr 16 15:00:05 soi'll order on ebay? Apr 16 15:00:54 wait 90 min, I'll ping you Apr 16 15:01:15 ok Apr 16 15:02:44 DocScrutinizer51 btw i can't manage to reconnect connector myself right? i need really special equipment as it's small? Apr 16 15:03:28 umm, yes Apr 16 15:04:02 damn it Apr 16 15:04:12 my friend don't answer the phone Apr 16 15:04:17 HB414 there's a pdf that has capacitor cell at bottom of that one page Apr 16 15:04:23 + i need new connector Apr 16 15:04:39 DocScrutinizer51> HB414 there's a pdf that has capacitor cell at bottom of that one page ??? Apr 16 15:04:54 google Apr 16 15:05:15 some link has the right answer Apr 16 15:06:28 if i would understand shit like that =0 Apr 16 15:06:30 =) Apr 16 15:06:38 http://www.datasheetarchive.com/HB414-datasheet.html ? Apr 16 15:10:29 XH414H Apr 16 15:11:20 ebay says nothing Apr 16 15:11:32 http://de.mouser.com/catalog/643/2569.pdf Apr 16 15:13:00 l8r Apr 16 15:13:07 o/ Apr 16 15:24:18 \o Apr 16 15:36:13 ZogG: MOUSER Apr 16 15:36:15 STOCK NO. 628-XH414H-II06E Seiko Part No. XH414H-II06E figure E in that http://de.mouser.com/catalog/643/2569.pdf maches footprint of N900-bupbat *exactly* Apr 16 15:36:33 DocScrutinizer where can i buy it? Apr 16 15:36:41 at mouser? Apr 16 15:37:37 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Seiko-Instruments/XH414H-II06E/?qs=%2bPJ3Ll1xQNZaFL0JrSSItw== Apr 16 15:38:12 anywhere i can pay with paypal? Apr 16 15:39:05 they have israel number i'll call them Apr 16 15:39:08 tomorrow Apr 16 15:39:18 DocScrutinizer, anyway they have connector as well? Apr 16 15:39:40 lrn2mouser Apr 16 15:40:26 what is this mouser at all? Apr 16 15:40:45 this one is good enuf? Apr 16 15:40:47 http://il.mouser.com/ProductDetail/Molex/47642-0001/?qs=sGAEpiMZZMvix4Kz%252byXAvU6WIa4V4G4m Apr 16 15:43:23 DocScrutinizer at the connector Apr 16 15:43:38 4 pads actually don't have any purpose except to hold it? Apr 16 15:43:47 cause those have glue ripped of Apr 16 15:43:58 and 5 contacts are still silver i think Apr 16 15:44:37 then you need lots of glue to reinstall the receptacle ;-) Apr 16 15:47:07 5 small parallel pads are electric contacts, the there are 4 huge and 2 smaller large ones that are mostly mech support but also GND for sleve of receptacle Apr 16 15:52:43 http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== STATIC CONNECT!! check datasheet! Apr 16 15:53:48 s/STAIC/QUICK/ Apr 16 15:54:04 s/STATIC/QUICK/ Apr 16 15:54:05 DocScrutinizer meant: http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== QUICK CONNECT!! check datasheet! Apr 16 16:16:01 http://www.mouser.com/fcimicrousb/ http://www.mouser.com/Search/Refine.aspx?FS=TRUE&N=4294759256+13833015+4294741457+1323043 Apr 16 16:19:06 http://www.mouser.com/catalog/catalogUSD/643/1309.pdf Apr 16 16:21:47 hi! does anyone know, if there is a specific reason for the acess denied on http://jalimo.evolvis.org/repository/maemo/jalimo-install.php ? or is this just a configuration error? Apr 16 16:25:51 probably configuration error Apr 16 16:25:56 i doubt they check user agents Apr 16 16:25:59 or...? Apr 16 16:27:18 wow interesting, java on the tablet eh Apr 16 16:27:37 i rememeber i was looking for that at one point, but now i cant remember what for Apr 16 16:27:54 Looks like the whole repo is locked from access Apr 16 16:40:56 ZogG: http://portal.fciconnect.com/portal/page/portal/FcicntPublic/ComergentConnect?appname=catDisplayStyle$domProductQueryName=10103594-0001LF*$OP=search CustomerDrawing suggests this component is matching *almost* but has thruhole for the mech posts. You can either cut, or bend, or (not really) drill holes into PCB ;-P Apr 16 16:41:38 this is http://www.mouser.com/ProductDetail/FCI/10103594-0001LF/?qs=EnLMdcWnKABYZwdMsmC/ag== Apr 16 16:49:43 good afternoon Maemo :) Apr 16 16:49:56 hey DocScrutinizer, how're you? Apr 16 16:50:25 headache of Mouser Apr 16 16:52:31 Well, moo. Apr 16 16:52:58 * DocScrutinizer pondering how to find out if it's safe to finally drill holes to the USB rcpc solder pads of PCB, to get a MUCH better sturdy USB connector. Would need X-Ray for that :-S Apr 16 16:54:52 or original blueprints I guess Apr 16 16:55:02 there SHOULD not be any inner layer traces, but you never know Apr 16 16:55:35 Oringinal schematic, or a delaminated blank board Apr 16 16:55:37 macmaN, RST38h, thanks for your replay. i mailed them. Apr 16 16:58:07 I'll not delaminate my blank board Apr 16 16:59:08 might even be impossible with the 500k vias Apr 16 16:59:20 sandpaper Apr 16 16:59:29 :-o Apr 16 17:00:27 I already considered drilling/miling out those holes by the Angstrom Apr 16 17:03:35 but honestly a proper Xray is way better Apr 16 17:05:27 yes Apr 16 17:06:28 anyone know if qml apps will ever be allowed out of extras-devel? Apr 16 17:07:43 piggz, why, they are allowed right now, aren't they? Apr 16 17:08:09 piggz, that's up to the maintainers. Apr 16 17:12:21 ...of Qt which will never make it out of extras-devel either? Apr 16 17:12:33 Venemo: GAN900: eg, i see this on my package Apr 16 17:12:37 Warning: Promotion of experimental Qtm based applications (libqtm11 or libqtm-extras) is blocked due to conflicts with stable versions.Warning: Promotion of packages depending on hotfixes is blocked. Apr 16 17:13:09 qtm BWAHAHA Apr 16 17:13:36 piggz, that is unrelated to QML Apr 16 17:14:14 Venemo: well, not totally unrelated, if you use libqtm-11-declarative Apr 16 17:14:30 DocScrutinizer: explain? Apr 16 17:14:37 ..is blocked die to conflicts with missing nuclear battery Apr 16 17:14:48 s/die/due/ Apr 16 17:14:48 DocScrutinizer meant: ..is blocked due to conflicts with missing nuclear battery Apr 16 17:15:15 ? Apr 16 17:15:30 qtmob eats battery like candy Apr 16 17:15:46 DocScrutinizer, QtMob is there on default install. Apr 16 17:15:49 well, yes, i did notice that with twimgo Apr 16 17:16:08 DocScrutinizer, piggz uses an experimental package that conflicts with some regular ones, and that's the matter. Apr 16 17:16:22 Venemo: what is the offical one? Apr 16 17:16:22 piggz, you'll need folks like X-Fade or achipa to figure this one out Apr 16 17:16:32 piggz, the one that's in the default install Apr 16 17:16:49 im not ready to promote yet...this is just for future reference Apr 16 17:18:10 Venemo: i guess its the versions without the -11- in the middle Apr 16 17:18:19 as reported by apt-cache search Apr 16 17:18:21 kill qtmob with fire Apr 16 17:18:38 a pity that crap made it into default Apr 16 17:19:17 DocScrutinizer: that seems a bit harsh...sure, it could use less battery, but its useful for, eg (im may case) using the acceleromter from qml Apr 16 17:19:26 DocScrutinizer, hey. if they could eliminate the polling-based shit, it would be fine. Apr 16 17:19:46 EXACTLY WHAT's USING LIKE 200 POLLS/s Apr 16 17:19:57 piggz, in its current implementation, Qt Mobility polls the accelerometer 100 times a second. that's why DocScrutinizer doesn't like it. Apr 16 17:20:18 DocScrutinizer, btw, I asked MohammadAG to reduce that to 50/s for CSSU :P Apr 16 17:20:34 that's complete BS Apr 16 17:20:55 you need a daemon, that knows about kevents Apr 16 17:21:08 we got one ke-recv Apr 16 17:21:22 but that one doesn't care about accelerometer Apr 16 17:23:03 QSensor::setDataRate(int) ? Apr 16 17:23:06 DocScrutinizer, yep, but you can't implement that in a couple of seconds. Apr 16 17:23:16 so the only proper fix is to kill filesensor in qtmob and replace it with a kevents-aware concept Apr 16 17:23:37 DocScrutinizer, or maybe _you_ can, but I can't. anyway, why don't you help out with it? Apr 16 17:24:18 I'm helping out a lot with it, but my coder monkey years are like last millenium Apr 16 17:25:19 it'd take me some 4 weeks to unknot my fingers when dealing with that git shit, kernel sources, Aspirin, whatnot Apr 16 17:25:20 is -12- any better than -11- ? Apr 16 17:25:30 (in battery usage) Apr 16 17:26:17 Venemo: prolly only root can access kevents Apr 16 17:26:41 so fixing Qtmob is kinda impossible Apr 16 17:27:54 maybe even the driver is borked and doesn't really trigger a kevent for all the things we'd need Apr 16 17:28:56 easy to debug, even with gdb, as there are udev tools that work via kevents, and kevents api per definitionem delivers *all* kevents, just those tools filer out the ones not needed for udev Apr 16 17:30:02 well, i'd live to stop and discuss the pros and cons of libqtm, but, i suspect my wife will kick my ass if i dont get ready to go for a meal and cinema ;) thx for the insight Apr 16 17:31:06 IroN900:~# udevadm monitor Apr 16 17:31:07 udevmonitor will print the received events for: Apr 16 17:31:09 UDEV the event which udev sends out after rule processing Apr 16 17:31:10 UEVENT the kernel uevent Apr 16 17:34:00 DocScrutinizer, if you make that daemon Apr 16 17:34:12 http://paste.debian.net/114252/ Apr 16 17:34:14 DocScrutinizer, that will use whatever method you prefer to use Apr 16 17:34:34 DocScrutinizer, then I _promise_ to fix that class in QtM to use your daemon Apr 16 17:34:45 I bet Apr 16 17:37:50 DocScrutinizer: you there? Apr 16 17:38:02 yep Apr 16 17:38:07 hello Apr 16 17:38:22 i finally figured out you are joerg on gthe forum Apr 16 17:38:34 wow Apr 16 17:39:10 I also saw that you had a part in writing a script to control the batter charger using the i2ctools package Apr 16 17:39:37 Apr 16 19:31:56 IroN900 kernel: [120008.641723] cam_shutter (GPIO 110) is now open Apr 16 17:39:39 Apr 16 19:32:45 IroN900 kernel: [120057.329406] cam_shutter (GPIO 110) is now closed Apr 16 17:39:47 now, as far as i can see the n900 doesnt charge to 4.2 volts Apr 16 17:40:00 or is bme lying Apr 16 17:40:02 ? Apr 16 17:40:25 Apr 16 19:31:22 IroN900 kernel: [119974.060791] mmc0: cover is open, card is now inaccessible Apr 16 17:40:26 Apr 16 19:31:22 IroN900 ke_recv[1846]: prop_modified:1889: udi /org/freedesktop/Hal/devices/platform_mmci_omap_hs_0_mmc_host modified button.state.value Apr 16 17:40:41 is it worth patching bme to charge to 4.2 volts like fmtx Apr 16 17:40:48 was patches? Apr 16 17:40:49 I bet kernel delivers kevents for cam-shutter as well Apr 16 17:41:46 what do you think? Apr 16 17:42:07 nope, bme *is* charging to ~4.200 (-.005...0.010) mV Apr 16 17:42:23 I thought it was 4165 Apr 16 17:42:38 also the basic charging is completely done based on a script and concept I published Apr 16 17:42:40 then why does it only ever show values below? Apr 16 17:42:50 oh - the battery charger / charge controller/sense-resistor thing Apr 16 17:42:57 yes Apr 16 17:44:11 also Apr 16 17:44:16 android blows Apr 16 17:44:35 4165 to 4200 are like 35mV in my book. Will give you something like 30s to 2min longer power-up time, and some weeks if not months less of battery life Apr 16 17:45:38 so you dont agree with the voltage vs charge graphs on battery university? Apr 16 17:45:57 tose are examples Apr 16 17:46:49 examples of what? differnt cells? i thought lion cells all behaved the same way Apr 16 17:46:57 yes, arbitrary cell Apr 16 17:47:12 nope, every cell has a different chemistry Apr 16 17:47:33 that's how manufacturers differentiate Apr 16 17:48:05 so many noobs on TNO Apr 16 17:48:09 so many noobs on TMO Apr 16 17:48:18 vi___, indeed Apr 16 17:48:24 so many nubes on TMO Apr 16 17:48:28 s0 many nubes on TMO Apr 16 17:49:03 troll.maemo.org Apr 16 17:49:13 ya! Apr 16 17:49:56 had my first shot of android yesterday. Apr 16 17:49:57 ~tmo Apr 16 17:49:58 tmo is probably http://talk.maemo.org, or too much off-topic, or not ~t-mo Apr 16 17:50:18 beeen trolls, morons, err dunno Apr 16 17:50:35 how to make them go away? Apr 16 17:51:07 ~nuke TMO's noobs for trolling Apr 16 17:51:07 * apt prepares 100 missle silos, and targets them at TMO's noobs for trolling ... B☢☢M! Apr 16 17:51:16 echo "127.0.0.1 talk.maemo.org" >>/etc/hosts Apr 16 17:51:36 ho ho Apr 16 17:52:57 I like 0.0.0.0 even better. Apr 16 18:33:22 i love the delecate balancing act of finding the perfect position for usb cable to make contact Apr 16 18:33:35 delicate :) Apr 16 18:38:12 pupnik, why not get it fixed/replaced? Apr 16 18:39:05 i'll buy one when i have the cash Apr 16 18:39:11 hehe Apr 16 18:52:01 DocScrutinizer, Qt Mobility isn't actually that bad Apr 16 18:52:18 the sensor API is shit though Apr 16 19:06:26 does N900 support GTK3 applications ? Apr 16 19:15:12 Spydemon, nope Apr 16 19:15:39 Spydemon, unless you build Gtk3 for it Apr 16 19:15:47 ok, thanks ;-) Apr 16 19:16:30 I think use GTK2 is easier ^^ Apr 16 19:41:53 http://thunderpowerrc.com/PDF/THPSafetyWarnings.pdf though for High Power RC model planes, this has quite a good set of numbers and recommendations Apr 16 19:42:40 * GAN900 about killed himself wiring in a new thermostat last night. Apr 16 19:43:04 The HVAC really needs to standardize a bit. Apr 16 19:43:30 They are standard Apr 16 19:43:36 +industry Apr 16 19:43:39 There are 2-3 standard wirings Apr 16 19:44:57 Doc: scary, dangerous stuff Apr 16 19:45:34 Labelling and color seems to vary a lot by manufacturer. Apr 16 19:46:10 GAN: The one I once bought had a manual describing how to connect it to each of wirings Apr 16 19:46:35 Although I do remember looking at it for at least half an hours,before I figured this crap out Apr 16 19:47:31 Mine did, too, but it didn't seem to relate much to the old one. Apr 16 19:48:03 Didn't help that I didn't want to open up the compressor to check the terminals there, though. Apr 16 19:48:29 Despite a couple of false starts, I do now have an HA controlled AC. . . . Apr 16 19:48:55 :) Apr 16 19:48:59 HA? Apr 16 19:49:05 hehe Apr 16 19:49:06 Home Automation Apr 16 19:49:09 Ah. Apr 16 19:49:14 INSTEON in my case. Apr 16 19:49:22 I wish batteries were cheaper. Apr 16 19:49:37 I'd like to install ~5KWh and charge them on cheap night-time electricity. Apr 16 19:50:02 It actually breaks even with cheaper LiFePO4 cells. Apr 16 19:50:06 But breakeven isn't great Apr 16 19:51:14 I wish unlimited free energy were a thing. :P Apr 16 19:51:51 I'd need more than 5kWh :-) Apr 16 19:52:08 A good heatpump on night-rate electricity also works quite well - into a heatstore. (In principle) Apr 16 19:53:50 There was about a year ago speak about uncrippled apt. Is the source avalaible somewhere? Apr 16 19:54:18 how is it crippled? Apr 16 19:54:20 outside temp is 0 - 10C right noe (night/day). The heatpump is doing absolutely nothing 95% of the time. House is mostly passively heated amtm Apr 16 19:54:46 atm* Apr 16 19:54:50 I'd like to have HA as well Apr 16 19:55:53 ruskie: Well you get this error for example, if you try to install something from ovistore without the damn webui: "E: Handler silently failed" Apr 16 19:56:12 ovi is special :-) Apr 16 19:56:14 ignore it Apr 16 19:56:17 laasonen, ovistore is a pay thing and is blocked normally Apr 16 19:56:39 they actually had it fully open at one point and anyone was able to get stuff for free Apr 16 19:57:01 Well it should be possible to fix and most of the packages there are free. Apr 16 19:57:19 it's a paywall thing Apr 16 19:57:21 live with it Apr 16 19:57:49 :( Apr 16 19:58:13 ruskie, it's ridiculously entertaining. Apr 16 19:59:11 who's able to line up 5 names of OVI apps here, that are worth to have a look at OVI? Apr 16 19:59:19 I ordered some pressure pads to stick under the matresses to control bathroom lights in the middle of the night. Apr 16 19:59:24 I'm eyeing the conrad fs20 for my HA stuff Apr 16 19:59:27 GAN900: next time RTFM Apr 16 19:59:52 GAN900: never touch anything that costs more than £10 or has voltages higher than 12V without RTFM Apr 16 19:59:54 jacekowski, did, lost the manual for the old thermostat and they didn't have it on the Bryant website. Apr 16 20:00:24 well, thermostat is just 2 wires Apr 16 20:00:24 DocScrutinizer: sharing-service-ftp is the only sharing plugin I use. Apr 16 20:00:37 or is it whole controller thing? Apr 16 20:00:40 ruskie: fs20 is the poor man's homematic Apr 16 20:00:41 Nothing similar on maemo.org :( Apr 16 20:01:10 DocScrutinizer, your point? as long as it works... Apr 16 20:01:23 fs20 is braindead Apr 16 20:01:58 homematic costs more than gold OTOH Apr 16 20:02:06 care to elaborate how it is braindead? Apr 16 20:02:10 they are NOT compatible Apr 16 20:02:26 with what? Apr 16 20:02:27 RTFM and you' Apr 16 20:02:30 ll see Apr 16 20:02:37 with eachother? Apr 16 20:02:41 yep Apr 16 20:02:49 you mean fs20 units with eachother? Apr 16 20:02:56 no Apr 16 20:03:03 fs20 with homematic Apr 16 20:03:11 and why would I care about that? Apr 16 20:03:27 just because? Apr 16 20:03:36 jacekowski, yes, thank you, I'm not 12. :) Apr 16 20:04:10 jacekowski, thermostat mine is 8 wires. Apr 16 20:04:14 ShadowJK: yeah - superinsulation which I'msort-of-doing makesthe hreatpump a lot less needed. Apr 16 20:04:20 GAN900: that's overkill Apr 16 20:04:25 GAN900: what are these wires for? Apr 16 20:04:48 fan, heat pump, 2nd stage heat, power, common, outdoor temp, Apr 16 20:04:59 http://fhz4linux.info/tiki-index.php?page=HomeMatic <-- I love the description here Apr 16 20:05:00 so it's for whole controller Apr 16 20:05:03 not just thermostat Apr 16 20:05:09 HomeMatic is the overpriced, insecure, wireless home automation system using the BidCos ® home-brew-protocol. Apr 16 20:05:46 Generally speaking, the device which sits on the wall and tells the AC unit what to do has been referred to as a "thermostat". Apr 16 20:05:49 Found it goodbye ovi.com =) Apr 16 20:06:00 Both by manufacturers and HVAC specialists. Apr 16 20:06:51 DocScrutinizer, basically both homematic and fs20 have the same security issues though Apr 16 20:07:21 ruskie, US or EU? Apr 16 20:07:26 GAN900, EU Apr 16 20:07:31 Ah Apr 16 20:07:32 not at all, ruskie Apr 16 20:07:37 * GAN900 has no useful opinion, then. Apr 16 20:08:04 SpeedEvil, obviously heatpump is more efficient, down to -28C or so Apr 16 20:08:11 I /really/ like INSTEON on 110v. Although it's proprietary and expensive. Apr 16 20:08:17 DocScrutinizer, but same security issues as known from FS20 will remain (BidCos ® is also not record and replay safe). Apr 16 20:08:19 (than direct electric heating) Apr 16 20:08:20 homematic is duplex OTA, while FS20 has a unidirectional simple remote comtrol Apr 16 20:08:55 Duplex is a must-have. Apr 16 20:08:58 ShadowJK: Economically, it beats even gas here - in theory, neglecting thegas cost. Apr 16 20:09:09 ruskie: BidCos isn't, but the DES used for the doorlocker should be safe Apr 16 20:09:19 ShadowJK: that is - night rate power into a thermal capacitor Apr 16 20:09:39 DocScrutinizer, and I would wire my door why exactly? Apr 16 20:09:47 I'm to paranoid for that Apr 16 20:09:50 just because? Apr 16 20:10:07 at most I would modify a roomba with a grip to lock/unlock via ssh to it... Apr 16 20:10:17 do you like me to configure an autoresponder? Apr 16 20:10:25 hehe Apr 16 20:10:38 SpeedEvil, "neglecting gas cost"? Apr 16 20:10:53 ShadowJK: oops - neglecting heat pump cost Apr 16 20:11:03 right Apr 16 20:12:06 * GAN900 just has to dial in the motion detectors so they stop picking up the cat. Apr 16 20:12:20 hehehe Apr 16 20:12:54 hehe Apr 16 20:14:30 I'm mostly looking at this for per room heating(having a PC managing all temps and opening closing valves and running the heater), window shading(just on/off) and some other such minor things(maybe lighting as well)... Apr 16 20:15:14 and I know the fs20 can be controlled from a linux box Apr 16 20:15:29 mhm, and how do you plan to control lighting manually? Apr 16 20:15:39 manually? Apr 16 20:15:49 eeek, light switches Apr 16 20:16:11 nooooo we want to search fresh batteries for the remote in the dark Apr 16 20:17:25 I'd basically replace the plugs with the fs20 radio switches Apr 16 20:17:52 and no... there would still be touch switches around... Apr 16 20:17:55 exactly, there's where hmematic starts being way smarter than FS20 Apr 16 20:17:56 hooked to mains Apr 16 20:18:03 how so? Apr 16 20:18:09 RTFM Apr 16 20:18:31 I thought you knew this... Apr 16 20:19:47 I know small controllers that fit into installation pots in the wall, and can get controlled via hardwired switches as well as via RC Apr 16 20:20:15 and send back their state (and good/fail state of lamp) to the central controller Apr 16 20:20:54 hell, afaik you can't even indivisulally address FS20 Apr 16 20:21:57 the addr is like Apr 16 20:22:16 well that sounds like individual addressing Apr 16 20:22:22 it's amazing how different the n900 screen looks compared to my laptop when adapting color curves Apr 16 20:22:24 well the FS20TC6 looks nice for a switch... Apr 16 20:22:32 maybe like Apr 16 20:22:49 still more than enough Apr 16 20:22:57 it's not like I have a mansion Apr 16 20:23:28 yeah sure, if you want to have a "dark room", a "romantic room" and a "bright room" Apr 16 20:23:41 Duplex is a thing you want. Apr 16 20:23:41 I think I have 15 light switches in the entire appartment Apr 16 20:23:49 GAN900: definitely Apr 16 20:24:14 atm the FS20 is the only thing I really found interesting... Apr 16 20:24:31 baing able to use a linux server to control it is a must though for me... Apr 16 20:24:39 so any system that won't let me do that is a no-go from the start Apr 16 20:26:54 hmm Apr 16 20:27:19 homematic is network-enabled Apr 16 20:27:42 and the FS20 has an USB control point available Apr 16 20:28:02 and they have all the same lookalikes as FS20, pus twice as much new stuff Apr 16 20:28:05 fhz 1300 or fhz 1300wlan if wanted... Apr 16 20:28:37 to me it looks like fs20 has a lot more options than homematic... but then it's conrad so they might be adjusting Apr 16 20:28:39 btw the controller central runs linux :-) Apr 16 20:29:06 root? open? Apr 16 20:32:36 http://www.homematic.com/ (click "system" and "produkte") Apr 16 20:33:02 flash required... Apr 16 20:33:44 frankly I haven't decided on anything yet... Apr 16 20:33:45 http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=zentrale Apr 16 20:34:15 thanks Apr 16 20:36:06 http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=fbedienung http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=pp http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=uputz Apr 16 20:36:09 http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=150 Apr 16 20:36:41 http://www.homematic.com/index.php?id=156 Apr 16 20:36:43 yeah the links show up after the initial page Apr 16 20:37:12 http://www.homematic.com/fileadmin/pdfs/einleitungen/HM_XmlRpc_V1_502__2_.pdf Apr 16 20:43:24 haha amusing EULA... Apr 16 20:47:27 find . -name \*.mp3 -exec mplayer -quiet -shuffle "{}" + that is your media player, and you will like it Apr 16 20:49:12 I need to find a good home intercom/pa. Apr 16 20:49:41 such a big place? Apr 16 20:49:57 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lyZQPjUT5B4 Bubble Sort hungarian folk dance Apr 16 20:50:18 I wonder what that'll do if passed a filename of "http://a.media.stream/\" -streamdump ~/.profile/" Apr 16 20:50:20 the DECT phone I have has built in interphone calling Apr 16 20:51:52 how many of you have overclocked your n900s? Apr 16 20:51:54 so all the phones linked to the same base station have builtin intercom Apr 16 20:52:23 i did to see if it felt different Apr 16 20:53:47 pupnik: so was it way more responsive? Apr 16 20:54:04 Also, is the responsiveness bottleneck not just the processor? Apr 16 20:54:14 no it didn't do much for me Apr 16 20:54:46 if i were playing games that were on the edge of smooth , i'd do it Apr 16 20:54:50 *emulators Apr 16 20:55:48 I mostly want to make things come up quicker when I click. Also, opening conversations (sms) with people I've talked to a lot, it takes a while to load... Maybe it should just archive the old txt msgs somewhere and only have the window load a certain amount of history Apr 16 20:56:06 ruskie, well, I'd want to wire speakers into about 4 rooms for audible feedback. Apr 16 20:56:24 internetishard: overclocking kills your device Apr 16 20:56:38 internetishard: and for so short peaks like that it won't help at all Apr 16 20:56:53 GAN900, ahhh... Apr 16 20:57:27 jacekowski: I figured something similar was the case. Judging by some blogs/how-tos, one might think it is trivial and harmless Apr 16 20:58:53 internetishard: there used to be a lot of people here asking how to fix their phones after OC Apr 16 20:59:26 Were they successful? Apr 16 20:59:32 no Apr 16 21:00:29 when they handed out the prototypes, the engineer said to the assembled conference... "DONT overclock" Apr 16 21:00:47 Interesting Apr 16 21:00:50 or more specifically "don't overclock these" Apr 16 21:01:13 which makes sense, as they were property of nokia Apr 16 21:01:27 internetishard: even running at 600MHz shortens life of cpu Apr 16 21:01:53 internetishard: and if for some reason you would make it run constantly at 600MHz it would die after couple weeks Apr 16 21:01:55 Do you phones idle at 20% cpu @ 250mhz? Apr 16 21:02:54 how are you measuring cpu use? Apr 16 21:02:59 conky Apr 16 21:03:10 internetishard: yes Apr 16 21:03:31 I also always have pidgin running; If I didn't I wouldn't care to use this phone Apr 16 21:03:43 why? Apr 16 21:03:56 builtin telepathy is more than adequate Apr 16 21:04:12 let's me stay online with gtalk, msn, aim, etc and manage and communicate in a consolidated fassion Apr 16 21:04:23 so same as builtin telepathy Apr 16 21:04:24 I also look forward to getting the OTR pluggin for pidgin working again Apr 16 21:04:50 internetishard: you're a more advanced user of computers than I am in many ways Apr 16 21:05:12 Me? Apr 16 21:05:21 internetishard: and use a lot of electricity Apr 16 21:05:28 internetishard: jabber + telepathy + transport Apr 16 21:05:38 I don't follow Apr 16 21:05:38 internetishard: and i can do 3 days without charging with good winds Apr 16 21:05:39 yes you are fluent in modern, up to date usage patterns and services Apr 16 21:05:49 hahaha Apr 16 21:06:08 what are telepathy and transport in maemo? Apr 16 21:06:22 if a program is younger than 10 years old it is 'new' to me Apr 16 21:06:30 transport is jabber transport Apr 16 21:06:43 something that runs on the jabber server and provides a gateway between $random protocol and jabber Apr 16 21:06:48 i.e. msn<>jabber etc... Apr 16 21:07:00 telepathy is the messaging subsystem on the n900 Apr 16 21:07:09 So you're saying run a server with msn, aim, etc - and pipe it through jabber to my phone? Apr 16 21:07:13 does smses, jabber, etc... on the n900 Apr 16 21:07:56 it's integrated into the conversations app Apr 16 21:10:38 internetishard: yeah Apr 16 21:13:48 hmmm. I would like to have the logs for all of my IM protocols stored in one place. My desktop would have pidgin, my server somehow would have the IM protocols I need and run it to my phone through jabber (what would this be)... Can you think of a good way to consolidate logs and stuff? Apr 16 21:14:10 you would get all the logs in conversations Apr 16 21:14:16 nothing would be on the server Apr 16 21:15:02 jabber would be conversations Apr 16 21:15:07 ruskie, so what would I run on the server for gtalk, aim, msn, and irc? Apr 16 21:15:29 you would use a jabber server... you would not need to actually run anything Apr 16 21:15:33 just connect to a jabber account Apr 16 21:15:46 and connect through that to gateways|transports for other protocols Apr 16 21:58:05 internetishard: tried bitlbee? Apr 16 21:58:14 not yet Apr 16 21:58:17 uses irc instead of jabber though Apr 16 21:58:28 for all protocols? Apr 16 21:58:32 all Apr 16 21:58:43 Definitely gotta check it then Apr 16 21:58:54 well, all that are supported. :) Apr 16 21:59:09 I use irssi as irc client to it, irssi logs it all Apr 16 21:59:28 * Wizzup gone Apr 16 21:59:39 but for all the IM protocols? Apr 16 21:59:51 yes Apr 16 21:59:53 irssi via bitlee for that oo? Apr 16 22:00:09 yes Apr 16 22:00:24 Doesn't irssi suck as an IM client? Apr 16 22:00:29 I run irssi on server, ssh to it Apr 16 22:00:36 Does it? :p Apr 16 22:00:37 chatting with lots of people with pidgin is a lot easier,eh? Apr 16 22:00:52 usability on a touch phone? Apr 16 22:01:01 true Apr 16 22:01:08 it's keyboard only Apr 16 22:01:20 well, it's my solution anyway :) Apr 16 22:01:50 I wonder if OTR can work that way Apr 16 22:01:59 otr works with bitlbee Apr 16 22:02:15 irssi -> ssh -> bitlee -> otr -> IM friends Apr 16 22:02:38 I mean, how would it work with the n900/server config Apr 16 22:02:58 ssh -> screen -> irssi -> bitlbee -> otr -> im Apr 16 22:03:06 oh Apr 16 22:03:06 okay Apr 16 22:03:21 ssh with screen stay connected pretty well with 2g/3g? Apr 16 22:03:26 on n900 just ssh and then open the screen Apr 16 22:03:38 well, you run irssi on the server Apr 16 22:03:45 so yeah :p Apr 16 22:03:57 Interesting solution Apr 16 22:04:10 * Wizzup gone for real :) Apr 16 22:04:11 I wonder if I should do the same for my laptop and desktop Apr 16 22:04:18 k Apr 16 22:05:24 * ShadowJK does irssi[irssi_proxy]-openvpn-...-openvpn-xchat, seamless irc even when n900 changes from 3g to wifi Apr 16 22:06:17 Don't get it ShadowJK, doesn't the ip change from wifi to 3g? Apr 16 22:06:26 yes Apr 16 22:06:52 but I always connect to 10.2.4.5 Apr 16 22:06:57 Oh, you're saying irssi running on the server will manage your disconnection and keep you up to date with its own irc connection Apr 16 22:07:05 no Apr 16 22:07:06 what's 10.2.4.5? Apr 16 22:07:13 vpn :) Apr 16 22:07:39 openvpn handles the changing address Apr 16 22:10:41 that is a version number for openvpn? Apr 16 22:10:47 man, my geekiness if fading Apr 16 22:11:09 it's an IP address Apr 16 22:11:24 10.x.x.x is for private use Apr 16 22:12:37 Basically it's a tunnel to my server, 10.2.4.x goes through tunnel. The tunnel end points might change, but the address used inside stay constant Apr 16 22:14:02 virtual private network :) Apr 16 22:22:39 but the 3g ip is going to be vastly different from anything you can control on your wifi networks, ShadowJK Apr 16 22:22:51 yes Apr 16 22:23:01 my wifi network is 192.168 Apr 16 22:23:22 my vpn is 10.x.x.x Apr 16 22:25:47 my wifi router is 10.x.x.2, my N810 is 10.x.x.3, my N900 is 10.x.x.4, my server is 10.x.x.1. My server is in holland, wifi lan in finland, and N810/N900 can be anywhere since they run their own openvpn, as long as there's internet, openvpn makes sure 10.x.x.1 is my server from whatever device I use Apr 16 22:27:01 * ShadowJK sleeps Apr 16 22:38:58 meegoo delayed Apr 16 22:39:03 orly? Apr 16 22:48:58 vi__: http://thunderpowerrc.com/PDF/THPSafetyWarnings.pdf though for High Power RC model planes, this has quite a good set of numbers and recommendations Apr 16 22:55:15 someone have sip who would help me try something? Apr 17 00:31:56 good morning Apr 17 02:06:26 I just love it when everything on-screen is balanced! http://i.imgur.com/LwB9v.jpg (pupnik's daimonin client snapshot) Apr 17 02:21:52 i'm thinkin those spell quickslot icons are a bit too bright Apr 17 02:25:46 pupnik_ what is that game? Apr 17 02:26:07 daimonin Apr 17 02:26:16 it's a roguelike hacknslash online Apr 17 02:26:54 do you like the look? Apr 17 02:27:13 yup Apr 17 02:27:42 thanks :) Apr 17 02:28:38 lots of work yet Apr 17 02:28:54 how many hours would you expect it to play before draining battery Sickki Apr 17 02:29:03 no fancy animations **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 17 02:59:58 2011