**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 20 02:59:58 2011 Apr 20 03:58:34 is there a way to use a more recent qemu with scratchbox? Apr 20 04:18:32 anyone know what's the deal with apt-worker constantly spinning its wheels whenever I try to look at something in app manager? Apr 20 04:35:21 ds3, do you have extras-testing? Apr 20 04:35:40 it's usually caused by the giant mass of packages in extras-testing Apr 20 04:35:48 either disable it or use fapman Apr 20 04:36:05 or just use commandline like a real man Apr 20 04:39:52 Sazpaimon: yes I do Apr 20 04:42:34 i never use HAM for that reason Apr 20 04:44:39 let me give FAP another try; I was crashing the earlier versions Apr 20 05:38:53 is it possible to have debhelper *on* an N900 Apr 20 05:39:27 hello everybady here Apr 20 05:39:39 hello world Apr 20 05:40:10 Sazpaimon: yes, why not? Apr 20 05:40:42 slonopotamus, because it depends on bsdmainutils Apr 20 05:41:00 which uninstalls busybox Apr 20 05:41:05 which screws everything up Apr 20 05:41:32 i could force it, assuming busybox gives the stuff debhelper needs Apr 20 05:42:26 don't uninstall busybox Apr 20 05:42:44 obviously Apr 20 05:43:02 hmm, there's a man-db-n900, maybe that'll satisfy debhelper Apr 20 05:44:43 * slonopotamus tries to remember how he installed debhelper Apr 20 05:45:21 I'm installing debhelper7, by the way Apr 20 05:45:43 i'd also like to remove all of this build packages from the N900 once I'm done Apr 20 05:45:54 debhelper7 == even more fscked up debhelper Apr 20 05:46:11 this has a compat of 6, so debhelper wont do Apr 20 05:46:23 though to be honest, ive never had an issue with debhelper7 before Apr 20 05:46:57 all I need to do is build this one package and transfer it to the sdk box Apr 20 05:47:10 since the sdk won't compile it, qemu segfaults for whatever reason Apr 20 05:47:20 hehe Apr 20 05:47:43 if there was a way to use a more recent qemu build on scratchbox, maybe then my life would be easier Apr 20 05:47:50 i want study python ,but i can't find document about python ui for n900 Apr 20 05:48:35 qemu apparently doesn't like compiling programs that depend on asm Apr 20 05:48:42 surprise there Apr 20 05:48:51 psycho_oreos: pygtk Apr 20 05:49:42 rapidly running out of rootfs space... Apr 20 05:49:46 scratchbox isn't qemu, it's some totally patched fork Apr 20 05:49:49 only 3.5MB left Apr 20 05:50:04 slonopotamus, yeah, i meant scratchbox Apr 20 05:50:19 big piece of junk to be honest Apr 20 05:50:30 Sazpaimon: it is safe to symlink many stuff from /usr/share/ to 2gb partition Apr 20 05:50:44 Sazpaimon: /usr/share/perl, for ex Apr 20 05:51:00 doesnt CSSU already do tha Apr 20 05:51:08 or is that just with python Apr 20 05:51:30 there is some hackery with python, yep Apr 20 05:52:00 looks like a good deal of perl stuff is already symlinked Apr 20 05:53:56 okay, looks like i can safely --force-depends debhelper7 Apr 20 05:54:58 oh hey look at that Apr 20 05:54:59 find: unrecognized: -exec Apr 20 05:55:18 thanks busybox Apr 20 05:55:23 hehe Apr 20 05:56:05 busybox: Conflicts: findutils Apr 20 05:56:09 llllllllllllll Apr 20 05:56:20 wrong findutils Apr 20 05:56:31 search for gnu in the repos Apr 20 05:56:31 findutils-gnu i assume Apr 20 05:56:48 findutils - metapackage iirc Apr 20 05:57:01 findutils-gnu or gnu-findutils ought to be there Apr 20 05:57:04 how do I get apt to shut up about debhelper7 needing man-db Apr 20 05:57:12 hmm, po-debconf gone somewhere Apr 20 05:57:15 i have man-db-n900 installed which should satisfy it Apr 20 05:57:47 Sazpaimon: oh no, how you're going to use debhelper without man pages? Apr 20 05:58:07 wb slonopotamus Apr 20 05:58:36 slonopotamus, like i said, i have man-db-n900, so that should be sufficient enough Apr 20 05:58:50 i just need apt to ignore the fact that it needs man-db Apr 20 05:59:15 because it wont do anything until i "resolve" this Apr 20 05:59:19 pupnik_: i didn't go away :) Apr 20 05:59:52 welcome back into my coneof perception then :) Apr 20 06:00:36 :) Apr 20 06:00:54 http://packages.debian.org/lenny/equivs here's a good solution Apr 20 06:01:30 of course equivs needs debhelper, and not debhelper7 Apr 20 06:01:37 so in in and of itself has a dependency error Apr 20 06:02:42 I'll just install equivs on the sdk, and make the packages i need there and transfer them to the N900 Apr 20 06:03:48 Sazpaimon: did you enable sdk and tools repos? Apr 20 06:04:51 slonopotamus, I enabled the sdk repo Apr 20 06:04:57 [sbox-FREMANTLE_ARMEL: ~] > fakeroot equivs-build man-db Apr 20 06:04:58 hostname: cannot set hostname to `--fqdn': Operation not permitted Apr 20 06:05:01 the hell? Apr 20 06:05:40 busybox hostname doesn't know --fqdn flag Apr 20 06:05:50 this is on scratchbox Apr 20 06:05:53 afaik, it has short alternative Apr 20 06:05:58 like, hostname -f Apr 20 06:06:01 which wont allow you to change the hostname apparently Apr 20 06:06:29 Sazpaimon: it doesn't want to change hostname, it wants fully qualified hostname Apr 20 06:06:35 Sazpaimon: I didn't think you could ever change the FQDN in linux using hostname Apr 20 06:07:17 so what is scratchbox complaining about Apr 20 06:07:35 busybox hostname doesn'thave --fqdn flag Apr 20 06:07:48 so it thinks you want to set hostname to that string Apr 20 06:08:08 slonopotamus, but I'm using scratchbox, doesn't that use sh or bash or something Apr 20 06:08:31 okay, sbox hostname doesn't have that flag Apr 20 06:09:02 so what would be the equivalent, just hostname? Apr 20 06:09:08 fix calling script to use hostname -f Apr 20 06:09:28 hostname: cannot set hostname to `-f': Operation not permitted Apr 20 06:09:43 all hostname has is --help and --version Apr 20 06:10:51 i think I just need to install coreutils-gnu on scratchbox Apr 20 06:11:45 nope, that doesn't have it Apr 20 06:14:26 looks like i need to build debian's hostname package Apr 20 06:14:39 shouldnt be a biggie, it's pretty small and simple Apr 20 06:14:53 Sazpaimon: i think you screwed up something. http://dpaste.org/ynGK/ Apr 20 06:14:58 Sazpaimon: no man-db Apr 20 06:15:32 slonopotamus, debhelper7 needed man-db Apr 20 06:15:35 maybe not debhelper Apr 20 06:16:10 Sazpaimon: repos enabled: extras-*, sdk, tools Apr 20 06:16:18 wait wait wait Apr 20 06:16:26 did debhelper get a version bump to 7? Apr 20 06:16:45 that's why i said debhelper7 is fucked up Apr 20 06:16:52 aksdklas;djas; Apr 20 06:16:55 when did this happen Apr 20 06:16:57 or i didn't... Apr 20 06:17:04 when the hell did this happen Apr 20 06:18:05 february it seems Apr 20 06:18:15 why does nobody tell me these things Apr 20 06:21:21 meh, network issues Apr 20 06:22:04 3g coverage in subway could be better... Apr 20 06:22:17 next cevat, autoreconf doenst seem to be supplied by anything Apr 20 06:22:39 it's from autoconf, isn't it? Apr 20 06:22:43 oh wait, autoconf DOES have it Apr 20 06:22:49 so why is this build failing Apr 20 06:22:59 i think you want build-essentials Apr 20 06:23:10 bash: /usr/bin/autoreconf: /scratchbox/tools/bin/perl: bad interpreter: No such file or directory Apr 20 06:23:13 uh Apr 20 06:23:17 some scripts have borked sheband line Apr 20 06:23:22 ah Apr 20 06:23:27 i have build-essentials Apr 20 06:23:47 run a sed through /usr/bin and replace "scratchbox/tools" with "usr" Apr 20 06:23:48 so i need to manually fix these scripts Apr 20 06:29:35 suddenly my rootfs went to 100% without me doing anything Apr 20 06:31:01 i strongly recommend moving stuff from /usr/share to 2gb-partition. running out of rootfs is likely to break maemo Apr 20 06:34:48 i removed a few unneeded packages that were taking up rootfs space Apr 20 06:34:55 that'll put a bandaid on it for now Apr 20 06:35:10 it's 2AM, i dont want to muck around with the system files Apr 20 06:35:20 **Error**: You must have autoconf 2.63 or later installed. Apr 20 06:35:24 :D Apr 20 06:35:48 of course maemo doesnt supply that version Apr 20 06:36:52 there's an autoconf in maemo gitorious though Apr 20 06:36:54 maybe I can use that Apr 20 06:40:36 okay, that seemed to work, that version of autoconf needs debianutils but screw it, I dont care I'll force it Apr 20 06:50:13 larin, hello Apr 20 06:54:00 oh man it actually made it to configure this time Apr 20 06:54:05 needs grep-gnu Apr 20 07:21:54 Psi, hi Apr 20 07:22:16 psychologe, hi Apr 20 07:39:25 Hmm, I wonder how to detect via lstat if a symlink uses an extra block or not, *scratch-head* Apr 20 07:46:44 sigh, guess assuming 0 for lstat is a safe thing to do, nowadays, ... Apr 20 09:41:10 http://wins.failblog.org/2011/04/19/epic-win-photos-cancelled-class-win/ <-- FTW Apr 20 10:02:48 Morning Apr 20 10:58:14 "The US Army has announced that it will soon throw open an Android dev kit allowing apps to be written for use by soldiers on a variety of combat handsets and devices." Apr 20 10:58:41 [the real question though is WHETHER THEY WILL HAVE AN APP STORE?] Apr 20 10:59:19 I don't think the military will work like that internally Apr 20 10:59:28 they might Apr 20 11:00:10 military is just like any large company/organisation with trade secrets that are to be kept within the company/organisation itself Apr 20 11:00:19 not for the actual in-combat gear... but possibly stuff that soldiers can use in their personal time Apr 20 11:01:09 on their personal kit that is Apr 20 11:02:19 you guys ran badblocks -w on N900 whilst its hooked onto computer via mass storage mode? thinking of doing it after getting incredibly slow performance and getting loads of bad blocks through mkfs.vfat Apr 20 11:03:53 I'd say using vfat is the main issue really Apr 20 11:05:01 well I intend to leave it as vfat or things like camera won't work with exotic filesystems (nice one nokia) Apr 20 11:05:58 psycho_oreos, camera works fine with exotic FSes... Apr 20 11:06:22 I have ext3(everything else) and ext4(sd) on my n900 Apr 20 11:06:44 ruskie, o.O it did? I tried ext3 last time and the camera cannot save the captured image Apr 20 11:06:46 the problem with the camera is that it's locked to needing an actualy mount point to save to... can't be just a dir Apr 20 11:06:47 psycho_oreos: badblocks doesn't make sens on mmc Apr 20 11:07:26 cant be a bind mount?:) Apr 20 11:07:27 psycho_oreos: The blocks are not real blocks. If you're seeing errors on MMC, there is no alternative but to get it warranty repaired. Apr 20 11:07:36 jaska, it could possibly Apr 20 11:07:37 not sure Apr 20 11:07:43 SpeedEvil, though according to this thread it seems like it helped: http://talk.maemo.org/archive/index.php/t-50506.html Apr 20 11:07:45 Though I note that someone has reported swapping the emmc with success Apr 20 11:07:47 havent tested, just sprung to mind Apr 20 11:08:24 hmm it only gives me on offer User data and the SD card when I try to change it Apr 20 11:08:35 ruskie, yeah that I'm not too sure as yet on going about tackling it, the last I recall trying, everytime taking photos it just won't save Apr 20 11:08:51 psycho_oreos, well I've been using this config ever since I upgraded to 1.3 Apr 20 11:08:59 which was when... last year... Apr 20 11:09:11 psycho_oreos: It shouldn't - with a sane implementation ofear leveling in the SD. - who knows though Apr 20 11:09:23 psycho_oreos: I just made mydocs 4G Apr 20 11:09:28 psycho_oreos: works for me Apr 20 11:09:45 ruskie, hmm I don't recall when I last tried using camera with ext3 for mmc, might have been pr1.2 but I can't say for certain Apr 20 11:10:30 psycho_oreos, the main thing is that /home/user/MyDocs needs to be a mounted FS Apr 20 11:10:39 SpeedEvil, *shrugs* I'm gonna give badblocks a few run and seeing if I can get better mileage out of my mmc Apr 20 11:10:56 Hope it works. Apr 20 11:11:51 ruskie, yeah I did that :) manually added entry into /etc/fstab declaring it as ext3, though I recall vaguely that every reboot when mmc was stuck as ext3, I kept getting a popup banner about unsupported format or something Apr 20 11:12:14 SpeedEvil, hope it won't do something evil to my n900 lol, I'm reluctant to hand my n900 into nokia Apr 20 11:12:36 psycho_oreos, fstab isn't actually used Apr 20 11:12:49 it gets recreated on each boot Apr 20 11:12:57 unless you hammer adjust init scripts Apr 20 11:13:08 they call a genfstab.awk or something like that Apr 20 11:13:11 ruskie, nah I think I made it immutable Apr 20 11:13:18 doesn't really help Apr 20 11:13:21 it won't be used Apr 20 11:13:28 mount doesn't actually use it Apr 20 11:13:35 because all mounts are done as mount /a /b Apr 20 11:13:42 so it ignores stuff in fstab Apr 20 11:13:49 hmm Apr 20 11:14:19 I really really need to make my use_fstab fixes get put into cssu Apr 20 11:14:24 guess I'll have to have a look at it again Apr 20 11:14:40 you can check User:Ruskie wiki page about it Apr 20 11:14:46 should help you figure it out a bit more Apr 20 11:15:55 I seriously loathe the m5 init setup... Apr 20 11:16:11 oh yeah speaking of making immutable stuff, I really hated how trackerd.conf gets overwritten automatically, all the ignore directories I've set previously are made unignored hence it starts scanning stuff from audiobooks directory and adding them in. Since making that conf file immutable I've been getting sed errors lol Apr 20 11:16:46 hmm haven't seen that Apr 20 11:16:53 my ignore dirs were actually ignored all the time Apr 20 11:16:54 yeah I recall you had a note on making a portion of mmc as ext3 or something like that. I plan to make the entire mmc ext3 Apr 20 11:17:03 mine wasn't Apr 20 11:17:11 I have entire mmc repartitioned Apr 20 11:17:15 but still split Apr 20 11:17:21 /home is the biggest Apr 20 11:17:32 between /home/user and /home/user/MyDocs ? Apr 20 11:17:39 /opt and a symlink to /home/opt is probably ~2-4G... Apr 20 11:17:50 and /home/user/MyDocs is 2-4G iirc Apr 20 11:18:43 /home - 21G ; /opt - 4G ; /home/user/MyDocs - 5G Apr 20 11:18:48 something along those lines Apr 20 11:19:41 rounding errors not counted and FS overhead as well Apr 20 11:20:19 I'll look at the guide in a bit afterwards, also reminds me of checking which fs would treat flash memories nicer than others and seeing if they are available for n900 in some form Apr 20 11:21:07 well anything with journal could potentially cause issues Apr 20 11:21:35 notably ext3 :D Apr 20 11:22:06 then again ext3 can support single filesizes over 4G, unlike FAT32 and potentially ext2 Apr 20 11:23:44 I thought ext2 doesn't have issue with FS Apr 20 11:23:58 anyway if running with a kernel that supports ext4 that can be helpful Apr 20 11:24:22 no, what I meant was that ext2 probably doesn't allow one to store a single file that has a size above 4G Apr 20 11:24:40 erm I'm rather sure it does Apr 20 11:24:41 titan's power kernel has ext4 irc Apr 20 11:25:03 Max file size16 GB - 2 TB Apr 20 11:25:12 if ext2 does then you have saved me for looking at other FS lol :D Apr 20 11:25:46 yeah that's ext2 Apr 20 11:26:08 it depends on the block size... but 16gb is with 1KB block size Apr 20 11:26:18 2KB is 256G... after that it's 2TB Apr 20 11:34:19 my n800 got into a reboot loop, but only when I choose to boot from SD card, flash boot works fine, any ideas why and how can I fix it? Apr 20 12:06:56 hmm running this badblocks -w on mmc (N900) I guess judging by the speeds reported via gkrellm the mmc performs as fast as class10? :D Apr 20 12:10:59 Class X is minimum sequential write performance on a fresh card. Apr 20 12:11:32 It says nothing about average, maximum or non-sequential access or mixed read/write access Apr 20 12:11:41 not to mention a used card Apr 20 12:14:08 is anyone of you running wine (built for x86) on his n900 :)? Apr 20 12:14:15 ...how? Apr 20 12:14:37 You'd be running Wine on top of Qemu Apr 20 12:15:10 sounds blazing fast Apr 20 12:16:10 yeah wine on top of a x86 chroot Apr 20 12:17:05 you can't run x8y chroot on arm Apr 20 12:17:10 x86* Apr 20 12:17:17 and class rating is reserved for sd -_-'. In terms of linear writing the mmc I suspect performs at similar speeds to topram 32gb class10 microsd Apr 20 12:17:43 you can... qemu user mode emulation^^ Apr 20 12:18:34 That's not chroot Apr 20 12:18:44 well.. Apr 20 12:18:56 i guess you'd do both :) Apr 20 12:19:14 i do both Apr 20 12:19:15 :) Apr 20 12:19:25 the terminology isn't used quite correctly :p Apr 20 12:50:14 hello maemo-world Apr 20 12:50:40 did someone knows how transfer a binary from scratchbox to N900 ? :-\ Apr 20 12:50:41 does the jabberclient support http-binding? Apr 20 12:50:53 Spydemon: scp? Apr 20 12:52:20 nusse, so i must install ssh on my phone, and connect him to internet ? Apr 20 12:52:39 can't i use a easier way ? Apr 20 12:56:35 mount the phone using your desktop and use cp? Apr 20 12:57:56 Hi! I'm getting a memory not accessible. unable to save content in the camera app Apr 20 12:58:17 I've already fsck'ed my MyDocs partition Apr 20 13:10:35 Spydemon, you could just use mass storage mode and transfer the binary across from there Apr 20 13:25:54 any of you have clues as to which nand it is on N900 (as mmc)? I can see its Toshiba, but is it onenand or just nand? Apr 20 13:27:02 The MMC is not onenand Apr 20 13:27:06 it's emmc Apr 20 13:27:07 *sigh* I stepped on my N900, after dropping it to the floor :-(( Rugged quality, still works, but rather scratched frame and case now Apr 20 13:27:15 This is a mmc card in a wirrd BGA Apr 20 13:27:22 wierd Apr 20 13:27:40 indeed Apr 20 13:27:58 ahh its nand, damn Apr 20 13:28:16 It's managed NAND. Apr 20 13:28:21 The onenand is unmanaged Apr 20 13:29:15 for the particular build see my highres scans Apr 20 13:29:16 yeah I don't know whats the difference between that as well, I do recall seeing onenand errors at boot, those must be related to that rootfs Apr 20 13:29:44 rootfs is on that 256MB oneNAND Apr 20 13:29:52 PoP Apr 20 13:29:53 psycho_oreos: onenand errors are expected, and should be managed properly by the kernel. Apr 20 13:30:40 Nokia-N900:/sys/class/ubi/ubi0# cat bad_peb_count Apr 20 13:30:40 1 Apr 20 13:30:47 For example - my onenand has one bad block Apr 20 13:31:03 aah now we're back to that gane Apr 20 13:31:08 game :-) Apr 20 13:31:57 0 Apr 20 13:32:39 0 \o/ Apr 20 13:32:45 and 0 Apr 20 13:32:57 The emmc pretends to be a perfect error-free device. Apr 20 13:33:15 always, until it ceases to work Apr 20 13:33:18 And has no way of signalling to the user that it's about to run out of spare blocks. Apr 20 13:33:25 At which time random bad stuff happens. Apr 20 13:33:42 yoh Apr 20 13:34:36 8 o_O Apr 20 13:34:46 np Apr 20 13:35:17 I think everything under a few dozen is OK Apr 20 13:35:31 reserved_for_bad here is 20 Apr 20 13:35:42 So I suspect that >20 would be bad Apr 20 13:35:59 would need some action to fix Apr 20 13:36:15 like new lowlevel formating Apr 20 13:36:55 but also would be a sign of pending trouble Apr 20 13:38:58 http://www.toshiba.com/taec/Catalog/Line.do?familyid=7&lineid=900195 Apr 20 13:38:58 wow Apr 20 13:39:00 128G Apr 20 13:39:14 eh? Apr 20 13:39:18 oops Apr 20 13:39:24 did I get confused on B and b Apr 20 13:39:27 * SpeedEvil sighs Apr 20 13:39:38 Oh - no Apr 20 13:41:14 nope, that's clearly GBytes Apr 20 13:41:32 which means it's up to 4 times we got on N900 now Apr 20 13:42:05 Be very, very frightened. Apr 20 13:42:09 I think in principle it'd be a straight swap. Apr 20 13:43:49 GAN900: http://xkcd.com/691/ ? Apr 20 13:47:25 THOSHIBA THGBM1G8D8EBA12 R76244 JAPAN 0936MBE http://people.openmoko.org/joerg/n900/ Apr 20 13:47:53 yeah - I googled that a while back, and got a store selling them quite cheap Apr 20 13:48:50 not now though Apr 20 13:49:48 hahaha Apr 20 13:50:02 I think those are standardized interface and footprint Apr 20 13:50:03 One of my devs, not very good with spelling Apr 20 13:50:22 Implemented a feature on the VoIP server to track the RTP packets going in and out Apr 20 13:51:05 VoIP server? o.O You mean gateway? Apr 20 13:51:15 or do you relay? Apr 20 13:51:30 "read_write_list_field(cunt_paquet, T_system_voip_paquet_cunt *)" Apr 20 13:51:40 LOL Apr 20 13:51:40 haha Apr 20 13:52:08 hail sed Apr 20 13:52:29 hildon has that fyi Apr 20 13:52:44 built-in cunts? Apr 20 13:52:49 dbus_cunt, it's the phone app I think Apr 20 13:53:00 hihihihi Apr 20 13:53:03 the dbus connection to the phone app is called dbus_cunt Apr 20 13:53:13 I'm guessing cause it's closed source Apr 20 13:53:26 haha Apr 20 13:53:33 hahaha Apr 20 13:53:35 rotfl Apr 20 13:54:14 thanks for the info guys, I went away on phone call, and now am having to play the catchup mode :) I should probably get myself a supper whilst at it Apr 20 13:54:44 psycho_oreos: wait a minute... Apr 20 13:54:49 yup? Apr 20 13:55:07 http://www.ccs.neu.edu/home/pjd/papers/fast10-flash.pdf Apr 20 13:55:29 for an extended supper Apr 20 13:55:40 lol :D Apr 20 13:56:48 for that I think I'll need coffee, not ideal at this time of night for me. I'll have a quick scan through and have a good look tomorrow morning Apr 20 13:56:51 thanks again Apr 20 13:57:31 FTL is the main difference between oneNAND and (e)MMC Apr 20 13:57:56 it's a gboolean actually, indicates an active call & screen locked Apr 20 13:57:58 http://gitorious.org/community-ssu/hildon-desktop/blobs/master/src/util/hd-dbus.c#line29 Apr 20 13:58:21 MohammadAG, thanks, you just gave empirical proof that geeks can't hack their way into closed cunts ;) Apr 20 13:58:47 actually, that one is GPL, so it's an open cunt... Apr 20 13:58:50 :-P Apr 20 13:58:55 ok, enough of that, otherwise I'll have to kick myself Apr 20 13:59:05 lmfao Apr 20 13:59:07 mmmm making me really hungry ;) Apr 20 13:59:21 private cunt vs public cunt Apr 20 13:59:51 private cunt - LOL Apr 20 14:00:07 crashanddie, so wait, they can't hack into open ones either? Apr 20 14:00:31 you can't hack any cunt. Cunt will hack you Apr 20 14:00:50 this ain't soviet russia :P Apr 20 14:01:09 cunts are worst of soviet all over the world Apr 20 14:02:21 MohammadAG, ever seen American Pie? Apr 20 14:02:42 crashanddie, 7 :p Apr 20 14:02:44 hum ... my works adsl is so slow.... 2 hours to get my own qt4.7.2 package Apr 20 14:02:53 MohammadAG, nerd gets open pu... "platform" presented to him, and fails before ever getting close. Apr 20 14:03:00 s/works adsl/adsl at work Apr 20 14:10:30 btw look at D5200 p.3 schematics. LOL - 10 data pins (incl CMD and CLK), and some 50 nah 100 GND pins :-P Apr 20 14:13:21 ok, there are another 5 + 4 + 1 pins for different VDD Apr 20 14:21:57 wasn't there a Google Voice module for Maemo? O.o Apr 20 14:22:30 luke-jr i thik it was Apr 20 14:22:36 check TMO Apr 20 14:23:13 X-Fade: ping Apr 20 14:23:17 of course the build fails while I'm asleep Apr 20 14:23:21 yeah, I see it on http://maemo.org/packages/view/telepathy-theonering/ but not in pkg list Apr 20 14:25:04 luke-jr еруку цфы ыщьуерштп удыу фы цудд ш ерштл Apr 20 14:25:07 oops Apr 20 14:25:10 luke-jr: was this you who considered buying spare speakers? Apr 20 14:25:17 no Apr 20 14:25:17 there was something else as well i think Apr 20 14:25:36 pupnik_: you? Apr 20 14:26:15 Google Voice Plugin for Conversations and Calls Apr 20 14:27:05 of course the damn build fails in my sleep due to rootfs running out of space Apr 20 14:27:12 i hate building on an N900 Apr 20 14:27:13 i hate it Apr 20 14:27:49 yay Apr 20 14:29:38 i swear once this gets built the first thing I'm gonna do is nuke build_essenial Apr 20 14:30:50 n900 support microSDHC ? Apr 20 14:31:17 yeah.. i have a 32GB microsdhc in mine Apr 20 14:31:18 DocScrutinizer, jacekowski http://i.imgur.com/SEett.jpg Apr 20 14:31:25 jaska: cool , thx Apr 20 14:31:35 have yet to find microsdxc anywhere tho.. Apr 20 14:31:43 64 gig+ ones Apr 20 14:31:50 DocScrutinizer, jacekowski http://i.imgur.com/PEp1U.jpg Apr 20 14:31:59 DocScrutinizer, i still have chance right/ Apr 20 14:36:44 ZogG: yes, you're lucky as all 5 electric pads seem OK. You'll need to use epoxy though to fix the rcptcl to main board as the mech support pads are mostly broken Apr 20 14:37:45 the small copper dots are the left over vias, while the copper colored areas on rcptcl are where the pads got off and won't solder Apr 20 14:38:35 rctcl itself seems broken, all 5 pins luckily stuck to PCB main board Apr 20 14:39:10 DocScrutinizer on second pic you can see pads have a little bit solid and i'll use eproxy or really good glue Apr 20 14:39:28 the FPC to daughter board has a weird angle, maybe it's only the photo perspective Apr 20 14:39:51 epoxy glue Apr 20 14:40:45 plug in a waxed USB plug while gluing Apr 20 14:41:05 to avoid the epoxy glue clogs the receptacle Apr 20 14:41:25 wax it to avoid the plug getting glued permanently into receptacle Apr 20 14:43:11 or you actually dare using a thru-hole type receptacle and drill holes to the mainboard Apr 20 14:43:29 for the mech supports only!! Apr 20 14:43:41 NOT for the electrical 5 pins Apr 20 14:44:28 DocScrutinizer ьур шэдд пдгу ше Apr 20 14:44:33 meh i'll glue it Apr 20 14:44:34 yoh Apr 20 14:44:39 waiting for connector part i ordered Apr 20 14:45:50 DocScrutinizer: I Apr 20 14:46:14 for increased ruggedness you may consider soldering or gluing a support metal sheet in top of next shielding can and USB rcptcl Apr 20 14:46:36 pupnik_: I got mine from ownta, all ok Apr 20 14:47:23 are they a different build-type that happens to fit? Apr 20 14:48:16 do they look like the speakers pictures on their website, or the speakers pictured in my photos Apr 20 14:48:21 I got 4 like those N81(?) that look like the ones in my N900 (ordered 4 actually) - plus one that looks like the picture they got on the N900 offer Apr 20 14:49:46 dunno why they still keep the wrong photo for the N900 speakers Apr 20 14:50:00 ok ty Apr 20 14:50:14 even less I know why they sent me one of those speakers for free Apr 20 14:50:35 perhaps they sent it because of the email you sent Apr 20 14:50:49 yes, probably Apr 20 14:51:33 well, my err report(?) is on their product page now Apr 20 14:51:59 the link to correct picture doesn't work anymore Apr 20 14:52:17 but the N81(?) speaker is still there Apr 20 14:55:12 ZogG: what's with your FPC to daughter board? why does it look like 105° instead of 90° ? Apr 20 14:55:38 DocScrutinizer ? Apr 20 14:55:58 FPS? Apr 20 14:55:58 the "ribbon" left of USB pads Apr 20 14:56:08 flat plastic connector Apr 20 14:56:31 the brown flimsy thing Apr 20 14:56:41 take care of it! Apr 20 14:56:58 if it breaks there's no way to fix it Apr 20 14:57:06 אישא בםממקבאד איק ןברםSD? Apr 20 14:57:10 uhuh Apr 20 14:57:12 that connect microSD? Apr 20 14:57:16 yep Apr 20 14:57:21 oh Apr 20 14:57:24 and camera flash LED Apr 20 14:57:25 it's ok Apr 20 14:57:42 it's ill-looking on those photos Apr 20 14:58:26 maybe it's just perspectivw Apr 20 14:58:32 maybe it's just perspective Apr 20 14:59:21 it's not straigh but it's on it's plcae for sure Apr 20 15:01:11 well, you'll 'only' lose microSD and flashlight Apr 20 15:02:42 I think it's yous a bit bent, and that makes the photo look weird Apr 20 15:02:55 s/yous/just/ Apr 20 15:02:55 DocScrutinizer meant: I think it's just a bit bent, and that makes the photo look weird Apr 20 15:05:04 ZogG: anyway good luck! Apr 20 15:05:22 thanx Apr 20 15:05:33 i'll be back! tadadaaa Apr 20 15:06:31 make sure you thoroughly clean the areas to glue, with trichlor and a brush or sth Apr 20 15:07:01 scratch the green areas Apr 20 15:07:19 or use sandpaper Apr 20 15:08:05 also scratch the silver areas Apr 20 15:09:08 remove the broken loose contact pins from PCB with a hot iron first of all. You don't want them around when soldering the new rctcl Apr 20 15:10:07 use electronic(!!) flux for soldering Apr 20 15:12:24 i'll give my friend he knows what to do... i hope =) Apr 20 15:14:16 tape a plastic or wood stick (lolly, icecream...) to main and daughter PCB, to protect the FPC Apr 20 15:15:12 don't worry about the (scotch) tape, the PCBs won't mind pulling it off again Apr 20 15:16:32 also protect lens of camera with a patch of sticky tape Apr 20 15:18:01 and of course you want to remove the PCB from lower half of housing Apr 20 15:29:54 http://i.imgur.com/Uyhxg.jpg Apr 20 15:30:00 pray =) Apr 20 15:30:23 5 people failed Apr 20 15:31:07 they would crash Apr 20 16:08:04 I need external power bank for N900. Is it 3.7V enough to charge it? Apr 20 16:09:01 doubt. 5V should be fine (that's what usb has, isn't it?) Apr 20 16:12:09 I don't know, that's why I am asking... Apr 20 16:13:09 OkropNick, the battery is 3.7V Apr 20 16:13:53 yes, but if I would like to charge it from battery power bank - it should have 5V at output? Apr 20 16:16:26 The charger chip needs something like 4.6V to function, I believe Apr 20 16:17:29 Ok, thanks Apr 20 16:22:58 But most sensible external power banks actually have a boost converter to boost their internal 3.7V (nominal) battery to 5V Apr 20 16:49:18 oh my god this program is *still* building Apr 20 16:49:27 8 hours later Apr 20 16:50:03 remind me never to build anything for an N900 *on* an N900 ever again Apr 20 16:51:20 yeah it's not the fastest thing in the world Apr 20 16:51:37 though I suspect your big killer is IO Apr 20 16:52:02 Sazpaimon lol Apr 20 16:52:09 compiling=) Apr 20 16:52:22 wmarone__, yeah i tried ocing to 1100 and it didn't change the speed at all Apr 20 16:52:25 it just got hotter Apr 20 16:52:34 yeah Apr 20 16:52:55 it probably builds faster, but you just spend all the time waiting on disk IO Apr 20 16:53:06 it probably would have taken less time to fix scratchbox Apr 20 16:54:55 though i dont think scratchbox's qemu can compile asm very well Apr 20 16:57:19 i think it's been building the same 10 files over and over again Apr 20 16:57:28 sometimes I hate debian's build process Apr 20 16:57:53 why does it recompile a program from scratch for a different package Apr 20 16:58:20 the .o files don't change between builds, its mostly just configure options Apr 20 16:58:43 use ccache? Apr 20 17:00:20 or try updating sbox qemu to newer one Apr 20 17:00:35 i asked earlier if that can be done and I never got a response Apr 20 17:00:48 why not? Apr 20 17:01:06 because i was told before that scratchbox's qemu is hacked up Apr 20 17:01:09 can i just replace the qemu-arm-sb with a newer qemu-arm? Apr 20 17:01:32 you can try at least. i guess it should work Apr 20 17:09:42 from my experiments, most stable arm emulation is in qemu-0.12.{4,5} currently Apr 20 17:10:07 0.13.x and 0.14.x segfault from time to time Apr 20 17:15:36 Sazpaimon: wait, you said you have troubles compiling asm. doesn't sbox use i386 gcc/binutils? Apr 20 17:15:51 Sazpaimon: i mean, crosscompiler Apr 20 18:17:40 <50UAAK1V7> My charger port broke again Apr 20 18:17:56 <50UAAK1V7> Is it safe to charge the BL-5J with a N97 mini? Apr 20 18:23:44 50UAAK1V7 i think so Apr 20 18:23:53 was it break physicly? Apr 20 18:40:33 lcuk: replied to your email... for some reason exchange deemed it worthy of the junk mail folder :P Apr 20 18:43:24 frals, because there was no bodytext Apr 20 18:43:32 ya Apr 20 18:44:01 haven't seen your reply though yet lol Apr 20 18:45:31 elsie :) Apr 20 18:45:36 UK Apr 20 18:46:22 ello penguinbait \o Apr 20 18:46:34 I can't look at the word luck without my dyslexia kicking in Apr 20 18:47:10 le coq Apr 20 18:47:11 I do hope luck is on my side :) Apr 20 18:47:46 so when are you coming to HEL so we can go to hemingways lcuk? Apr 20 18:47:53 :D frals, did you see qole's jacket at the conference? Apr 20 18:48:05 nope Apr 20 18:48:13 pimp constume? Apr 20 18:48:13 better make it soon or else none will be here to join you ;) Apr 20 18:48:19 penguinbait, no, simpler Apr 20 18:48:27 he got a nice tweet jacket and cap Apr 20 18:49:32 frals, I will bring my n900 on tour asap Apr 20 18:49:37 http://penguinbait.com/thegang.jpg Apr 20 18:49:44 Sampo keeps tempting me by reminding about the pizza Apr 20 18:49:58 * lcuk wants a kebab from there Apr 20 18:50:49 http://penguinbait.com/pimp-qole.jpg Apr 20 18:51:19 lol Apr 20 18:51:52 http://penguinbait.com/qgilcouncil.jpg Apr 20 18:51:58 thats the one I was looking for Apr 20 18:52:01 <50UAAK1V7> ZogG: It didn't get hot, has the same voltage and same connectors. Only issue was I had to run ntpd -d to fix the time Apr 20 18:52:42 or the collect all 6 pic - http://penguinbait.com/collectall6.jpg Apr 20 18:53:03 the evil penguin overlord Apr 20 18:55:17 ah the good ole days Apr 20 18:58:10 penguinbait, we never did choose a mascot Apr 20 18:58:13 or did we? Apr 20 18:58:26 don't think so Apr 20 19:01:27 I say we use qgil with that pimp costume, http://penguinbait.com/pimp-quim.jpg Apr 20 19:03:01 penguinbait, these pics are LOL Apr 20 19:06:20 It took me a few to find them on talk, its hard to believe its been almost 3 years since then Apr 20 19:08:06 qole tweed was rockin' Apr 20 19:08:19 s/qole/qole's/ Apr 20 19:08:19 GAN900 meant: qole's tweed was rockin' Apr 20 19:09:01 more than this http://penguinbait.com/pimp-ga.jpg Apr 20 19:09:08 ? Apr 20 19:10:49 very funny Apr 20 19:11:43 i need an outfit like that Apr 20 19:11:57 still no leaked pictures of the n950 ? Apr 20 19:12:12 nice job penguinbait Apr 20 19:13:15 don't forget the evil pb http://penguinbait.com/evil-pb.jpg Apr 20 19:17:38 what's an image hosting service that accepts tiny gifs? Apr 20 19:18:01 nice :D Apr 20 19:18:10 penguibait, much classier. Apr 20 19:18:42 http://www.meegotabletcentral.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/nokia-meego.jpg Apr 20 19:19:54 http://img2.generation-nt.com/nokia-n9-leak-01_090258018E00672861.jpg <<< the "rumored" n9 didn't look so bad Apr 20 19:20:25 Khertan, unfortunately that one got cancelled Apr 20 19:20:46 or so I hear. Apr 20 19:25:30 anyone know why in maemo,when i send a sms message, it sends it twice to the person? Apr 20 19:29:12 mece: yep i hear that too. Probably a microsoft conflict Apr 20 19:29:37 zakkkkmm: because your phone operator sucks Apr 20 19:29:51 zakkkkmm: there is no reason it send it twice Apr 20 19:29:59 it didnt happen with other phones. Apr 20 19:30:06 this is my 3rd phone Apr 20 19:30:08 Khertan, well regardless, It's bad for people who want a proper device. Rumors strongly suggest no keyboard for N950 :/ Apr 20 19:30:17 mece: ?hu? Apr 20 19:30:20 zakkkkmm, peculiar. Apr 20 19:30:20 maybe you press "send" twice? Apr 20 19:30:24 mece: seriously ... Apr 20 19:30:31 Works for me. (single SMSs) Apr 20 19:30:34 Khertan, 's what I hear. Apr 20 19:30:40 just once, it happening to all my sms messages. Apr 20 19:30:50 * SpeedEvil stabs the messenger. Apr 20 19:30:53 LOL Apr 20 19:31:29 mece: it ll a stupid decision, or maybe a intelligent one if they don't want meego to eat their ms phone Apr 20 19:31:41 sales Apr 20 19:35:40 uh, why does fakeroot segfault on my n900 Apr 20 19:36:15 Rumors are probably pretty meaningless at this point. Apr 20 19:36:22 yeah. Apr 20 19:36:28 GAN900: true Apr 20 19:37:38 I thought LG made the rumor? Apr 20 19:37:59 noone want to compile vim with +python for n900 ? Apr 20 19:41:21 Khertan, perhaps. Might also be this one: http://mynokiablog.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/01/tablet_14.jpg Apr 20 19:41:38 Khertan, regarding meaningless rumors... Apr 20 19:42:25 mece: we'll be funny to see people using that for phoning Apr 20 19:42:29 ... must go on Apr 20 19:42:30 bye Apr 20 19:42:38 hehe Apr 20 19:56:38 Khertan, it'd basically be like this: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=dhk_OL-5aVo Apr 20 20:10:01 ~seen javispedro Apr 20 20:10:10 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 25d 22h 39m 10s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'. Apr 20 20:11:35 ~seen StephenElop Apr 20 20:11:37 i haven't seen 'stephenelop', thomasjfox Apr 20 20:26:39 lol Apr 20 20:38:23 preparing for PR 1.3.3.7. Is it a " Apr 20 20:38:48 preparing for PR 1.3.3.7. Is it a "combined Fiasco image" reflash, just like updating from PR 1.2 to PR 1.3? Do I need to reflash eMMC? Apr 20 20:46:17 improved bartender http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/3568088.gif Apr 20 21:06:11 I'm trying to build an apps on my computer for my N900, so I use sbox, it is configured on FREMANTLE_X86, it is good, isn't it ? Apr 20 21:07:38 Spydemon: FREMANTLE_X86 means you can test it on the pc, but that won't run on the device Apr 20 21:07:41 I ask because gcc make me ELF 32-bit LSB executable, Intel 80386, version 1 (SYSV), wich aren't the binary used by the N900's processor :-( Apr 20 21:07:52 ahhh ok ^^ Apr 20 21:07:56 sb-conf select FREMANTLE_ARMEL Apr 20 21:07:58 FREMANTLE_ARMEL or however it's called Apr 20 21:08:10 hehe MohammadAG you did beat me :P Apr 20 21:08:29 merlin1991, crack your knuckles, you might have to write a changelog tonight or tomorrow Apr 20 21:08:33 \o MohammadAG Apr 20 21:08:35 fu Apr 20 21:08:38 :D Apr 20 21:08:44 hi lcuk Apr 20 21:08:46 merlin1991, :P Apr 20 21:08:56 and o hi lcuk :D Apr 20 21:09:13 it's o hai, not o hi Apr 20 21:09:34 * MohammadAG sends merlin1991 a cheezburger for dummies book Apr 20 21:09:39 hai == shark == evil Apr 20 21:09:41 --> hi Apr 20 21:09:54 (at least in finnish and german) Apr 20 21:10:13 can I haz noodlez? Apr 20 21:11:53 methinks merlin1991 should haz moar eggsamples Apr 20 21:31:40 * DocScrutinizer starts eggsell Apr 20 21:33:12 Segmentation Fault Apr 20 21:35:20 SWKOTOR segfaults all the time for me atm Apr 20 21:36:41 printf() doesn't work on N900 ? I test a Hello world, the program seems to be well executed, but text isn't print into the terminal Apr 20 21:37:16 tried running it from xterm? Apr 20 21:38:47 yes Apr 20 21:39:15 huh Apr 20 21:40:01 forgot to include stdio.h? Apr 20 21:40:41 nope, library is included Apr 20 21:41:05 that's in C? Apr 20 21:41:15 yes, compiled by gcc Apr 20 21:41:33 nope, printf works fine Apr 20 21:41:35 weird Apr 20 21:42:13 Spydemon, crosscompiled? Apr 20 21:42:28 yes Apr 20 21:42:51 i use FREEMANTLE_ARMEL Apr 20 21:42:53 ah might be something wrong there... Apr 20 21:43:08 dunno Apr 20 21:43:29 with cs2007q3-glibc2.5-arm7 Apr 20 21:43:56 yes may be Apr 20 21:44:10 but the app seem to be good executed Apr 20 21:44:28 so other lib fns work just not stdio? Apr 20 21:44:47 strace hello-world Apr 20 21:45:14 *nod* Apr 20 21:46:23 nox-, I have just tested stdio ^^ Apr 20 21:46:43 so what do you mean by executed well? Apr 20 21:47:32 but yeah try the strace Apr 20 21:47:36 when I execute the app in xterm, I have no error during execution Apr 20 21:47:55 ah Apr 20 21:48:17 DocScrutinizer, Sorry, I must learn how work strace before I'm able to use this command :-\ Apr 20 21:48:44 that just will print the syscalls Apr 20 21:49:44 so you'll see if write() ever gets called etc Apr 20 21:49:52 install strace - then do >>strace path/to/hello-world Apr 20 21:50:02 ok Apr 20 21:50:55 you'll see for sure if the prog gets executed or not Apr 20 21:58:30 tsss, I'm updating my depots, and it isn't fast -__-" Apr 20 22:00:32 strace is in tools repo Apr 20 22:00:41 afaik Apr 20 22:02:05 http://maemo.org/packages/view/strace/ Apr 20 22:03:33 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5 Apr 20 22:04:02 http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace Apr 20 22:06:58 ok thanks, i must add Fremantle SDK tools free armel to my depot list first Apr 20 22:09:10 http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install Apr 20 22:16:14 is it possible to modify RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin to boot in qemu Apr 20 22:16:24 i dont want to download the entire QT sdk to get the maemo nand image Apr 20 22:25:56 errr? Apr 20 22:26:37 flasher can extract parts from RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin Apr 20 22:26:50 and you can mount rootfs.jffs2 Apr 20 22:27:03 that'll probably take more time to figure out than downloading the sDK Apr 20 22:27:30 updating depots are for you also so long ? :-\ Apr 20 22:27:50 http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=403015&postcount=3 Apr 20 22:27:51 enjoy Apr 20 22:28:11 the update take ten minutes :x Apr 20 22:30:18 yes, sometimes Apr 20 22:30:34 usually 5 Apr 20 22:30:54 it's bad ^^ Apr 20 22:31:33 so, i've strace installed, but it wasn't in tools repo Apr 20 22:31:41 even with your script Apr 20 22:31:52 so I installed the apt-get version Apr 20 22:32:34 but this version seems to work different Apr 20 22:33:13 "strace hw" return : strace hw command not found Apr 20 22:38:39 DocScrutinizer, yeah i ran unpack on the bin and it gave me a bunch of files Apr 20 22:38:51 nothing looks like anything qemu likes Apr 20 22:39:49 I don't think you could run a armel kernel under qemu Apr 20 22:40:25 are you sure about that? Apr 20 22:40:26 why not? Apr 20 22:40:27 at least not *this* kernel Apr 20 22:40:31 im pretty sure you could Apr 20 22:40:44 kernel isn't a problem Apr 20 22:40:51 qemu emulaton of N900 is quite decent Apr 20 22:41:01 you need special nolo Apr 20 22:42:28 i extracted everything in the bin, but I cant figure out what the mtdblock would be Apr 20 22:42:34 ah Apr 20 22:42:40 i just read back that stuff Apr 20 22:42:44 that's not going to work Apr 20 22:43:03 unless you spend lot of time making qemu friendly image first Apr 20 22:43:05 so I *need* to download the entire qt sdk just to get the n900 nand image? Apr 20 22:43:12 no Apr 20 22:43:18 you can unpack that Apr 20 22:43:34 so why cant i boot that in qemu? Apr 20 22:43:43 because NOLO will not boot in qemu Apr 20 22:44:00 because qemu can't emulate features that N900 NOLO requires Apr 20 22:44:29 that's what I meant by "*this* kernel" Apr 20 22:44:42 i thought that was added recently Apr 20 22:44:46 well, kernel would boot Apr 20 22:44:57 if you can convince nolo to boot it Apr 20 22:45:41 my qemu 0.14.50 does have an N900 device setting, I see references to nolo in the source Apr 20 22:46:02 there is special modified version of nolo Apr 20 22:46:05 that runs in qemu Apr 20 22:46:29 and i take it it isn't supported by the N900 image Apr 20 22:46:32 I seem to recall some meego guys made NOLO run in qemu? Apr 20 22:46:43 nokia did Apr 20 22:46:47 there is ready made meego image Apr 20 22:46:54 with modified nolo and everything you need Apr 20 22:47:07 it has big part of cmt support stripped out Apr 20 22:47:13 and some other things Apr 20 22:47:29 but it is quite a lot smaller Apr 20 22:47:46 we've defintely had system-qemu Apr 20 22:47:59 but the performance is quite painful Apr 20 22:47:59 yeah Apr 20 22:48:01 so i wouldn't Apr 20 22:48:02 there is image for that Apr 20 22:48:10 so like, what in this image do I need to feed to qemu Apr 20 22:48:24 but it's slightly different than image to run on phone Apr 20 22:48:34 i'm not sure about powervr emulation Apr 20 22:48:40 and if maemo requires it Apr 20 22:48:47 Sazpaimon, what do you want to do actually Apr 20 22:48:47 DocScrutinizer, strace says that I've a Exec format error Apr 20 22:49:02 http://pastie.org/1817250 here's basically everything I extracted from the image Apr 20 22:49:13 so, it's still an error ^^ Apr 20 22:49:15 Spydemon: really, if you don't know what to do then just download qt sdk Apr 20 22:49:18 you want the Maemo SDK with the "emulator"? Apr 20 22:49:24 MohammadAG: no Apr 20 22:49:31 the Qt SDK doesn't use qemu jacekowski Apr 20 22:49:33 MohammadAG: he want just the emulator without sdk Apr 20 22:49:37 so I'm not sure what he wants Apr 20 22:49:38 ahm Apr 20 22:49:47 MohammadAG, there are some programs I'm trying to compile that wont work on the userland qemu Apr 20 22:49:57 the Qt SDK has a "simulator", a shitty x86 target with a device wrapping the app window Apr 20 22:50:06 qemu just dies during compilation no matter what Apr 20 22:50:09 and some options that can fake gps position etc Apr 20 22:50:18 so i figure I'll try it with the system qemu and see if it works Apr 20 22:50:33 Sazpaimon: well, as MohammadAG said, no option for system-qemu for maemo Apr 20 22:50:35 jacekowski, i want juste exec a hello world program for the moment, not create a awesome program with GUI xD Apr 20 22:50:54 jacekowski, seriously? so my only other option is compile on the device? Apr 20 22:50:55 then get scratchbox Apr 20 22:50:56 *just Apr 20 22:51:06 scratchbox Apr 20 22:51:08 ~maemosdk Apr 20 22:51:08 methinks maemosdk is http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/Maemo5_Final_Installation Apr 20 22:51:18 Spydemon: ehh, that wasn't for you Apr 20 22:51:40 Spydemon: what is the problem you have? Apr 20 22:51:42 You don't need the QtSDK for a C app Apr 20 22:51:45 jacekowski, like I said, qemu isn't working Apr 20 22:51:51 you don't even need nokia-binaries Apr 20 22:51:57 during compilation in scratchbox, qemu dies Apr 20 22:52:13 Sazpaimon: as in what error message Apr 20 22:52:34 http://pastebin.com/8cnFaWff Apr 20 22:52:35 Spydemon: hmm, do you have binformat misc support? Apr 20 22:52:44 i reported it to the qemu guys, they already know about it Apr 20 22:52:55 [13:38] Sazpaimon: that is an old-style cp15 data barrier, which qemu appears to not support in user mode Apr 20 22:52:58 i dont know that jacekowski, i'll check Apr 20 22:53:17 i also attempted it with qemu 0.14.50 in scratchbox, same deal Apr 20 22:53:37 Sazpaimon: paste bit more context Apr 20 22:54:09 hold on then, let me re run make Apr 20 22:54:14 Sazpaimon: http://patchwork.ozlabs.org/patch/43797/ Apr 20 22:54:20 http://article.gmane.org/gmane.comp.emulators.qemu/77092 Apr 20 22:54:23 solution Apr 20 22:54:40 so i need to patch and rebuild qemu Apr 20 22:54:46 okay, I can do that Apr 20 22:54:48 yeah Apr 20 22:55:00 hopefully this works on 0.14.50 Apr 20 22:55:08 anyways Apr 20 22:55:10 no wait, i can't patch that version, it doesnt work with scratchbox Apr 20 22:55:11 i'm going to sleep Apr 20 22:55:21 i have to go to london village tomorrow Apr 20 22:55:28 where is scratchbox's hacked up qemu source Apr 20 23:01:14 Spydemon: you probably got a wrong target? do >>file path/to/hello-world Apr 20 23:01:58 http://m.uploadedit.com/b92/9067379.jpg Apr 20 23:02:07 DocScrutinizer, yes, i do strace hl, instead of strace ./hl Apr 20 23:02:17 now it's good Apr 20 23:08:07 DocScrutinizer, it's working now :p Apr 20 23:09:15 in sbox, i've just choose to "install files on to the target" :-\ Apr 20 23:19:52 i'll go to bed, it's late now in France :p Apr 20 23:20:42 thanks DocScrutinizer and jacekowski for your help :-) Apr 21 01:27:07 mubarak arrested :) Apr 21 01:27:08 and his sons :D Apr 21 01:27:09 thanks to bradley manning **** ENDING LOGGING AT Thu Apr 21 02:59:58 2011