**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu Apr 21 02:59:58 2011 Apr 21 03:03:58 the blue on the n900 is stunningly deep Apr 21 03:04:07 something is unusual about it Apr 21 03:04:26 i have to reduce saturation on blue to match my laptop Apr 21 03:47:26 hi Apr 21 03:49:03 i had to reflash my N900, and now i don't remember what was the secret to keeping enough space in rootfs after installing all my programs...is there a progam that will scan my rootfs and gimme a list of all files i can safelly symlink to somewhere outside that cramped little closet? Apr 21 03:51:30 i already moved out most of the big files and folders i identifyied as belonging to installed programs or that aren't system files Apr 21 03:53:03 is there a way to get the rss reader widget to show only feeds I want on the widget and not all of them? Apr 21 04:31:43 is it possible to use gcc 4.4 in scratchbox? Apr 21 05:10:04 Well. Moo all. Apr 21 05:10:48 moooo0000000000000ooooooooooooooooooooo00000000000000o0o Apr 21 05:10:56 heya derf Apr 21 05:13:18 What's shakin'? Apr 21 05:13:22 ~moo Apr 21 05:13:23 * infobot mooooooooo! I am cow, hear me moo, I weigh twice as much as you. I am cow, eating grass, methane gas comes out my ass Apr 21 05:16:05 ___________ Apr 21 05:16:05 < MooOOOoo? > Apr 21 05:16:05 ----------- Apr 21 05:16:05 \ ^__^ Apr 21 05:16:05 \ (oo)\_______ Apr 21 05:16:08 (__)\ )\/\ Apr 21 05:16:10 ||--WWW | Apr 21 05:16:13 || || Apr 21 05:18:28 derf: Not much. Lots of work, no fun Apr 21 05:19:13 Yeah, I know what you mean. Apr 21 06:37:32 can somebody run MDK3 on N900? Apr 21 06:39:55 i want try to crack hide essid wep. Apr 21 06:41:22 can somebody give some suggest?how to ? Apr 21 06:44:38 ah MDK Apr 21 06:45:47 lolloo.ya,wireless ddos crack hide wep Apr 21 06:46:40 I have no experience but sound good Apr 21 06:47:58 can somebody interest it ?? and complie it to N900 Apr 21 06:48:15 do-it-yourself? Apr 21 06:52:17 yes i agree,i want too,but now i can't do it, Apr 21 06:52:47 i study python,new to linux Apr 21 07:00:05 psychologe, you can try to compile it directly first. perhaps it works :) Apr 21 07:05:51 ok,do it myself. Apr 21 08:43:55 1337 pourcent of Pi == 42 Apr 21 08:44:08 Morning ! Apr 21 08:46:24 Khertan1: pourcent? Apr 21 08:47:02 1337 * Pi / 100 Apr 21 09:18:49 Hi *, the status light is very dim (e.g yellow or green). When freshly booted, it sometimes starts of normal, but right now its very hard so see it all. Any ideas? Apr 21 09:33:49 good morning Apr 21 09:35:02 morning Apr 21 09:44:02 Hi all Apr 21 09:44:20 hi Apr 21 09:44:36 Just a question..does maemo use an Xserver + egl ? Apr 21 09:48:04 mrAlmond, afaik Maemo uses Xorg Apr 21 09:48:12 mrAlmond, not sure about egl Apr 21 09:49:32 I'm asking this because I'm doing something similar for an embedded device that has egl support Apr 21 09:49:46 on framebuffer everything is smooth Apr 21 09:49:59 but on xorg it's very slow Apr 21 09:50:32 As test application I'm using this one from maemo : http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example Apr 21 09:50:32 mrAlmond, well, I dunno what you mean by "something similar" Apr 21 09:50:57 I'm talking about the graphic stack Apr 21 09:51:05 mhm Apr 21 09:51:13 so qt + xorg + egl Apr 21 09:51:20 well, Maemo supports OpenGL ES Apr 21 09:51:26 I don't know what egl is Apr 21 09:52:22 http://www.khronos.org/egl/ Apr 21 09:52:36 this example uses egl : http://wiki.maemo.org/SimpleGL_example Apr 21 09:52:46 okay Apr 21 09:53:08 I'm sure someone knowledgeable will answer your question. maybe ask DocScrutinizer Apr 21 09:53:21 I have to leave now. Apr 21 09:53:27 ok tnx!! Apr 21 09:54:30 DocScrutinizer: Hi Apr 21 09:58:14 hi all Apr 21 10:20:25 mrAlmond: yes Apr 21 10:22:16 mrAlmond: http://wiki.maemo.org/OpenGL_ES_Libraries#Xlib%20%28X11%29 Apr 21 10:22:58 tnx but I've already read that page Apr 21 10:23:30 I'm trying to understand how maemo can have good performances using xorg and egl Apr 21 10:25:52 there is no "good performance" in "xorg" Apr 21 10:31:58 chem|st : So you mean that at the moment xorg + egl in maemo is not running smooth? Apr 21 10:32:17 I'm the wrong one to ask on that topic, dunno why Venemo pinged me :-D Apr 21 10:32:29 DocScrutinizer : :-D Apr 21 10:32:39 lcuk might know Apr 21 10:33:54 lcuk : Hey, are you the right one to ask about? :-) Apr 21 10:33:55 what's the right way to make a native-looking text edit box in Qt? Apr 21 10:34:28 when i just use a QTextEdit, it looks wrong. the highlighting is buggy, and i can't scroll with a finger Apr 21 10:34:49 the qt-maemo-example app has the same problem... surely there is a way to do this? Apr 21 10:35:42 (specifically, i can't select text with the touchscreen either, and if i select with the keyboard, there is no highlight colour, the text i've selected looks normal, and the rest of the line vanishes) Apr 21 10:35:49 mrAlmond: the drivers are outdated afaik and so are the libs... Apr 21 10:36:04 i'm trying to get behaviour similar to the Notes app Apr 21 10:37:05 BCMM: notes is not qt I think :-P Apr 21 10:37:10 i know Apr 21 10:37:28 oh hang on. didn't see http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo/maemo5-textedit.html before; i'll see if that does what i think it should Apr 21 10:37:34 qt is kinda mindboggling fsckdup Apr 21 10:37:46 it is rather (on maemo) Apr 21 10:38:07 yeah on maemo, of course Apr 21 10:38:13 i know notes is GTK, but i would've thought one could at least to pretty text-selection in Qt... Apr 21 10:38:31 ask MohammadAG Apr 21 10:38:34 BCMM use style sheets for that Apr 21 10:38:45 (to make stuff pretty ) Apr 21 10:38:51 i'm impressed that an official example of a simple maemo text editor doesn't even work... Apr 21 10:39:15 yeah, very impressive ;-P Apr 21 10:39:30 though i don't know if qt-maemo-example is different from in any way http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo/mainwindows-application.html Apr 21 10:39:32 damn mapped keys Apr 21 10:39:36 mrAlmond, sorry, IDK what you are talking about. I am looking over there <<<< at stuff atm, what do you want to achieve Apr 21 10:39:52 does anyone know how sys sends those keys to focused edit box? Apr 21 10:40:06 trx: i've never used stylesheets in qt, can they make the text highlighting look the way it should? Apr 21 10:40:22 (by which i mean, the way it looks in GTK, and teh way the same Qt code looks on a linux PC) Apr 21 10:40:24 BCMM you can do pretty much anything with them Apr 21 10:40:41 lcuk: topic been egl Apr 21 10:40:41 never styled a text edit before tho Apr 21 10:43:17 lcuk : I'm trying to have good performances on an embedded device running qt + xorg + egl...I'm asking here because maemo has a very similar architecture Apr 21 10:43:39 how well does your app work on Maemo? :) Apr 21 10:43:39 trx: fool speaking "isn't that via X events?" Apr 21 10:43:57 Hi! Is there a maemo app that syncs decently with google calendar? Or even if it's some command-line thing that imports it into a vCal file or something... Apr 21 10:44:01 BCMM http://doc.qt.nokia.com/latest/stylesheet-examples.html check this page Apr 21 10:44:49 kwtm_: mail for exchange Apr 21 10:44:50 DocScrutinizer probably, but the wierd thing is, X Term, Notes, etc (GTK?) are recieving them properly, while Qt apps do not Apr 21 10:44:55 lcuk: I love your approach Apr 21 10:44:56 lcuk : Do you know which kind of xorg server version is running on maemo...and if it's using some sort of hw accelerations? Apr 21 10:45:20 DocScrutinizer, lol Apr 21 10:45:36 Qt apps just recieve standard keys, which is frustrating :/ Apr 21 10:45:38 mrAlmond, a good one, lots of people put incredible amount of effort to ensure it ran well Apr 21 10:46:13 but if you have the device, check with dpkg-* functions to see the versions Apr 21 10:46:21 just built http://doc.qt.nokia.com/qt-maemo/maemo5-textedit.html , and it scrolls Apr 21 10:46:23 lcuk : So it's not an easy question....how can I obtain the maemo rootfs ? Apr 21 10:46:26 but hte selection stuff is the same Apr 21 10:46:42 no selection by finger, and keyboard selection is unusably wrong Apr 21 10:46:52 mrAlmond: see Apr 21 10:46:55 ~flash Apr 21 10:46:55 flashing is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 21 10:47:12 mrAlmond, go to store, purchase n900? Apr 21 10:47:14 testing ... am I "kwtm" again? Apr 21 10:47:16 ok. Apr 21 10:47:20 BCMM : try to add : "selection-background-color: lightgray;" Apr 21 10:47:25 use code to download firmware Apr 21 10:47:34 BCMM (not tested) Apr 21 10:47:47 Cor-Ai: Sorry, mail for exchange ... is that a package, or are you asking me to send email to the maemo mailing list to find the answer to my question? Apr 21 10:47:49 trx: yeah, going to try that Apr 21 10:47:50 you'll need an arbitrary IMEI like 356938030954300 Apr 21 10:47:57 but then it'll be ignoring theme colours... Apr 21 10:48:22 yeah :/ Apr 21 10:48:35 kwtm: its the name on the app :p google it and you will see! Apr 21 10:48:36 lcuk : clever, very clever Apr 21 10:48:36 this is kinda ridiculous... Apr 21 10:49:06 MohammadAG: around? Apr 21 10:49:08 mrAlmond, you could also use the maemo package tool to see versions Apr 21 10:49:26 mrAlmond: stop bitching, say thanks to DocScrutinizer51 Apr 21 10:49:29 use the search here http://maemo.org/packages/ Apr 21 10:49:45 sup Apr 21 10:50:13 MohammadAG: doc suggested I ask you about Qt... Apr 21 10:50:23 mrAlmond: flasher can extract the rootfs image from fiasco.bin Apr 21 10:50:40 Cor-Ai: Thanks for the info. Wow, that's a huge thread to read through ... Apr 21 10:50:42 MohammadAG: is it possible to create something like a QTextEdit, but looking correct? Apr 21 10:50:46 DocScrutinizer : Yes I'm looking at that, thak you Apr 21 10:50:54 (specifically, selection is all wrong in several ways in a regular QTextEdit) Apr 21 10:51:06 BCMM, why not use QStyleSheets? Apr 21 10:51:35 MohammadAG: isn't that for overriding native colours and so on? Apr 21 10:52:37 what's wrong with it? Apr 21 10:52:42 hmm Apr 21 10:52:54 selection that is Apr 21 10:53:03 MohammadAG: i'm trying to use the system's selection colour for the background of selected text... Apr 21 10:53:40 at present, selected text looks like normal text, but the rest of the line looks invisible (white on white?) Apr 21 10:53:53 bug in qt Apr 21 10:53:59 Qt 4.7.2 bug Apr 21 10:54:07 oh, is that a known bug? Apr 21 10:54:10 ok Apr 21 10:54:13 yes Apr 21 10:54:19 no, we heard it first time now ;-P Apr 21 10:54:33 how does something like that go unnoticed? :/ Apr 21 10:54:42 pfff Apr 21 10:54:43 sorry, for some reason i was assuming I had to do something to properly port the application Apr 21 10:55:03 like some sort of QSpecialMaemoTextEditThing Apr 21 10:55:06 yeah, purge qt4.7.2 Apr 21 10:55:31 DocScrutinizer: sorry, debian newbie - are you talking about downgrading to the previous Qt version? Apr 21 10:55:34 kwtm: MfE is pre installed Apr 21 10:55:35 (and how does one do that) Apr 21 10:55:41 damn i hate rx-51 Apr 21 10:55:50 (i mean, i am a debian newbie) Apr 21 10:55:54 BCMM: same here, but yes, 4.7.2 is borked it seems Apr 21 10:55:58 is there any documentation about how it works? Apr 21 10:56:14 (not the file format) Apr 21 10:56:19 chem|st: Yes, I'm reading about it now. Fascinating. So, then, the google calendar would be sunc (sync'd) to the built-in N900 calendar app? That's not too bad. Apr 21 10:56:23 BCMM: ask moh Apr 21 10:56:48 kwtm: as I don't give google anything I don't know Apr 21 10:56:51 MohammadAG: sorry to bother you again... how can i downgrade qt, and will everything break? Apr 21 10:56:56 BCMM do you have any mapped keys? Apr 21 10:56:58 no, the point of Qt is to write code once Apr 21 10:57:04 trx: not quite sure what you mean Apr 21 10:57:22 like Shift + Fn + b = "{" Apr 21 10:57:24 etc Apr 21 10:57:27 trx: no, why? Apr 21 10:57:29 kwtm: if the world is a RTS game, google is the techy and we left it alone for too long already Apr 21 10:57:46 i wanted to ask you to test it on that text edit while you're at it Apr 21 10:57:47 MohammadAG: oh, and what about finger-selection, like in the notes app? is that possible? Apr 21 10:58:02 because they dont work on my controls Apr 21 10:58:30 trx: apt-get install qt-maemo-example if you want to play with a plain QTextEdit Apr 21 10:59:02 chem|st: Actually, I only ended up giving Google anything because I didn't feel I had a usable calendar option on the N900. I can't remember what exactly the problem was ... I think I had trouble importing my calendar stuff from the Treo? Or was it the GUI that wasn't so good? Can't remember. Apr 21 11:00:41 actually the calendar app is the least integrated closed app of the whole bunch, should be easy and painless to replace with anything better Apr 21 11:01:09 kwtm: I just use the build in calendar for now, a sync to some online (free open at best at my servers) calendar would be nice but there is no caldav webdav support I know about Apr 21 11:01:56 DocScrutinizer: yeah but I don't know any "good" calendar apps neither Apr 21 11:02:22 DocScrutinizer: so what's the current status of Qt for maemo? do you think there will be updates, or will bug reports just make Nokia laugh? Apr 21 11:02:38 frankly me neither, except maybe Kontact Apr 21 11:02:55 on desktop I use orage or something Apr 21 11:02:58 DocScrutinizer: What do you think of GPE calendar? Seems decent, except I wasn't sure if I wanted to "leave GPE summary running in the background so it can give me alarms", as the warning message said. This was when I was first fiddling with the N900, so maybe I should take another look. Apr 21 11:03:16 BCMM: the 2nd half for sure, no idea about first half. Ask MohammadAG Apr 21 11:03:36 DocScrutinizer: not sure i understood... Apr 21 11:04:06 I have no idea about state of Qt, but I'm sure bug reports make Nokia laugh Apr 21 11:04:09 BCMM, current status is community supported Apr 21 11:04:20 MohammadAG: ah, ok Apr 21 11:04:24 hmm, trying to google for how to do this keeps giving me instructions for aptitude... Apr 21 11:04:30 if someone could point me to where the selection happens in the source code, I might be able to fix it Apr 21 11:04:53 how can one block a specific version of a package? Apr 21 11:05:14 like using gentoo's package.mask; such that automatic update to future versions is permitted Apr 21 11:05:29 how sneaked 4.7.2 into your system? Apr 21 11:05:30 actually, i don't even know how to view available versions of a package on debian Apr 21 11:05:31 Hey question about 1.3.3.7 --I still have to pore over the wiki, but just to get some live feedback here --any stability issues or known issues with performance? If I upgrade to it (currently on PR 1.3), it's a firmware flash just like when I upgraded from PR1.2 to PR1.3? Apr 21 11:06:25 DocScrutinizer: libqt4-core 4.7.2~git20110302-0maemo -- don't know how Apr 21 11:06:31 DocScrutinizer: maybe installing freoffice? Apr 21 11:06:45 maybe due to having used apt-get upgrade in the past Apr 21 11:07:02 kwtm: BCMM: ask MohammadAG - I'm not sure if CSSU introduces fsckdup 4.7.2 Apr 21 11:07:14 BCMM: that's for sure evil Apr 21 11:07:35 ok thx. Apr 21 11:07:38 is this easilly fixable? or should i just reflash/install CSSU? Apr 21 11:08:19 yes, CSSU introduced 4.7.2 Apr 21 11:10:00 but having 4.7.2~git20110302-0maemo is presumably still not normal? Apr 21 11:11:46 ou, wow, the new cssu did apparently make the inbuilt cam go awesome :) Apr 21 11:12:02 more fun options to choose from... Apr 21 11:13:12 In what way? Apr 21 11:15:14 choosable color options as it seems, a small button which makes a shot when you touch it (on the interface) and also a timer-function (i didn't see that one before) Apr 21 11:16:08 and when focused it does kinda calculate how far the object is away from you... which was... well, let's just say my room got enourmously bigger :D Apr 21 11:16:11 that's the community cam-ui replacement Apr 21 11:16:29 MohammadAG do you have any custom mapped keys on your n900? (if so, do they work on your Qt apps?) Apr 21 11:16:32 hm... must have been part of the cssu Apr 21 11:16:52 i didn't install to my knowledge a community cam-ui replacement... Apr 21 11:17:22 yeah, for me it appeared after a CSSU update Apr 21 11:17:40 either i don't know how to work it, or it has a couple of proble Apr 21 11:17:43 ms. Apr 21 11:18:08 probleM$ :) Apr 21 11:18:32 x) Apr 21 11:18:33 I refused recent CSSU update, and I'm pondering to completely abandon it and go back to my private way to cherrypick fixes Apr 21 11:18:42 why? Apr 21 11:19:08 CSSU is way too much experimental and has no stability policy whatsoever Apr 21 11:19:20 so basically like a ton of projects out there Apr 21 11:19:27 it seems focused on bleeding edge, and that's not what I want Apr 21 11:19:35 agreed sadly Apr 21 11:19:58 if it's broken, it's not very seamless is it? :D Apr 21 11:20:04 it should be called CSU Apr 21 11:20:04 :) Apr 21 11:20:07 maybe you should setup your own repo for all those cherry picks.. Apr 21 11:20:19 I suggested to have a stable and a devel CSSU, but no response Apr 21 11:21:03 would be nice Apr 21 11:21:16 well, if cssu does something i don't want it to and it freezes my device i am just too happy to flash it and restart from zero again... i've tried a bunch of stuff and i have some unneeded folders due to that... just to lazy to handpick them and kill them... Apr 21 11:23:18 fact is CSSU introduces more new bugs than it fixes old ones, right now Apr 21 11:24:17 what actually breaks? Apr 21 11:24:53 I honestly don't see how cam-ui by nicolai metts the matra of CSSU "don't include things that can get shipped via normal repo" Apr 21 11:25:21 meets the mantra* Apr 21 11:25:49 and inclusion of qt4.7.2 also seems a *bad* step Apr 21 11:26:15 How do I best detect when there is no cellular reception? If there is an ongoing GPRS call, I can watch for com.nokia.csd.GPRS.Suspended(5, "No coverage"), but that doesn't work if there is no on going GPRS call. Apr 21 11:27:12 phone-control from mohammadAG does have a command which tells you about your cell-reception iirc Apr 21 11:27:38 but that basically is as well some sort of dbus-command if my mind serves me right Apr 21 11:28:01 dbus signal Apr 21 11:28:06 "signal" Apr 21 11:28:31 DocScrutinizer: sure, but which one. Apr 21 11:31:46 signal sender=:1.21 -> dest=(null destination) serial=7039 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change Apr 21 11:31:47 byte 100 Apr 21 11:31:49 byte 89 Apr 21 11:32:09 dbus-monitor --system Apr 21 11:32:47 DocScrutinizer do you by any chance have custom mapped keys in rx-51 ? Apr 21 11:32:55 nope Apr 21 11:32:57 sorry Apr 21 11:33:10 DocScrutinizer: are you implying that 100/89 means no reception? Apr 21 11:33:13 looks like no qt app can recieve those keys Apr 21 11:33:21 neal: of course not Apr 21 11:33:43 that makes no sense according to my understanding of the function the first is normalized signal strength and the second is negative dbm Apr 21 11:33:46 I have good reception here Apr 21 11:34:06 I saw this: Apr 21 11:34:14 signal sender=:1.19 -> dest=(null destination) serial=5536 path=/com/nokia/phone/net; interface=Phone.Net; member=signal_strength_change Apr 21 11:34:15 byte 83 Apr 21 11:34:15 byte 87 Apr 21 11:34:30 signal sender=:1.19 -> dest=(null destination) serial=5537 path=/com/nokia/csd/gprs; interface=com.nokia.csd.GPRS; member=Suspended Apr 21 11:34:31 uint32 5 Apr 21 11:34:32 string "No coverage" Apr 21 11:34:36 yeah, I see all sorts of those Apr 21 11:34:59 so it is not clear that no coverage is easily implied from the signal_strength_change signal Apr 21 11:35:05 not the 'no coverage' though Apr 21 11:35:32 ok Apr 21 11:35:37 well, GPRS no coverage may happen unrelated to signal strength Apr 21 11:35:42 so, that's just an aside, I guess Apr 21 11:36:00 I also saw on the phone no reception Apr 21 11:36:12 or rather no network operator displayed Apr 21 11:36:22 that's more like a too low signal Apr 21 11:37:18 anyway, define >> How do I best detect when there is no cellular reception?<< Apr 21 11:37:46 in my book >>no cellular reception?<< means signal too low Apr 21 11:38:21 Here's my revision: how can I detect when the cell phone is no longer connected to a cellular tower. Apr 21 11:38:25 if you are interested in a different property of the complex OTA interface of GSM, you need to put different question Apr 21 11:39:01 there's no simple definition of "connected to" Apr 21 11:39:26 you got status "associated to a service cell" Apr 21 11:39:45 and you got status "signal is 'good enough'" Apr 21 11:40:30 good point Apr 21 11:44:17 you got a T3212 timer that makes the MT (phone) renew its association (aka registration, login) every 60..600min, depending on carrier parameters set Apr 21 11:45:23 you got C1,C2 critera (basically a treshold) for MT initiating a handover to a servicing cell with better signal Apr 21 11:45:30 DocScrutinizer: Doesn't the phone also listen on the signal channel for pages, etc. and can measure the reception that way? Apr 21 11:45:44 it does all the time Apr 21 11:46:04 that's where your signal strength is from Apr 21 11:46:05 DocScrutinizer: In that case, I'd suspect that it would know pretty quickly what the link quality is Apr 21 11:46:16 sure Apr 21 11:46:24 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/21/microsoft_nokia_definitive_deal/ Apr 21 11:47:38 neal: that's also a common source of WTF? - the signal strength is a mere metric for downlink. Uplink may be totally different Apr 21 11:47:41 http://www.reghardware.com/2011/04/08/2015_smartphone_forecast/ Apr 21 11:47:49 hahahahahhahahahhahhahahahahhahahahahahahhahhahahahahahahha Apr 21 11:48:16 * SpeedEvil has some reservations as to the above prediction. Apr 21 11:48:19 HAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHAHA Apr 21 11:48:43 of course they are only limiting the perdictions on smartphones Apr 21 11:48:48 I look at all cell phones Apr 21 11:49:51 Smartphones are going crashing dwn the price-scale Apr 21 11:50:40 I hope that S40 will keep on chugging Apr 21 11:50:47 for when the n900 won't be able to anymore Apr 21 12:10:34 anyone arround with custom mapped key (in rx-51)? Apr 21 12:10:37 keys* Apr 21 12:12:07 trx: been there done that... Apr 21 12:12:24 currently std map Apr 21 12:13:03 actualy I customized the xterm buttons to my needs Apr 21 12:13:23 chem|st i have noticed that additional keys like eg Shift + Fn + B = "{" Apr 21 12:13:32 do not work on Qt apps Apr 21 12:13:37 trx: I have a custom keymay, yes Apr 21 12:13:40 but work fine in GTK Apr 21 12:13:46 it doesn't work well in Qt Apr 21 12:13:47 hmm Apr 21 12:13:51 can you confirm this? Apr 21 12:13:56 yes Apr 21 12:13:58 yes Apr 21 12:14:00 known issue Apr 21 12:14:15 are there any workarrounds/ fixes for that? Apr 21 12:14:27 I told this to the Qt guys last year Apr 21 12:14:39 they say that custom keymaps are not supported. Apr 21 12:15:23 :| Apr 21 12:15:33 bad habbit afair Apr 21 12:15:36 yep Apr 21 12:16:11 trx: you have to use one of the maps known to Qt or it breaks Apr 21 12:16:31 yeah, or fix Qt... Apr 21 12:17:09 the guy pointed me to a thousands of lines long cpp file Apr 21 12:17:18 why they did it that way remains mistery as idk WTH would want fixed maps Apr 21 12:17:37 that sucks Apr 21 12:17:54 they implemented the long-press blue symbols thingy in Qt Apr 21 12:18:02 qt is another "not an island" Apr 21 12:18:31 and that probably broke this somehow... Apr 21 12:18:50 id rather rip out the long-press stuff than use a std map Apr 21 12:19:05 jaska: i++ Apr 21 12:19:10 I was planning on reverting it and compiling Qt for myself, but haven't had the time yet Apr 21 12:19:38 does qt even send anything or just ignores those combinations? Apr 21 12:19:41 I already prepared a foil for a new map.... Apr 21 12:20:42 but then I recognized that the kbd backlight isn't strong enough (or the foil not RET 10) and I came along not working keys Apr 21 12:20:46 BUT Apr 21 12:21:05 where do you need custom keys apart of xterm anyway? Apr 21 12:21:18 in my App, TxPad Apr 21 12:21:24 some users use them Apr 21 12:21:30 what is this for? Apr 21 12:21:35 code editor Apr 21 12:21:39 ah ok Apr 21 12:21:41 everywhere i want to input stuff they didnt add, i dont like the popup input methods for special symbols Apr 21 12:21:46 sure or a code editor... Apr 21 12:21:52 <>{}[] | etc Apr 21 12:21:58 i made pop-up button bar with those buttons Apr 21 12:22:15 but it would be nice if it could support custom keys too Apr 21 12:22:21 back to GTK+ then Apr 21 12:22:26 custom key maps* Apr 21 12:22:36 chem|st: why do I need custom keys? I need óőúéáűíöü Apr 21 12:23:22 Venemo_N900: so you need some ´`~ iteration Apr 21 12:23:31 well, i guess they will have to use that bar instead.. (it pops if prox sensor is covered) Apr 21 12:23:33 that is borked aswell Apr 21 12:24:02 that is something I'd love for mappero Apr 21 12:24:28 be fullscreen and turn windowed with buttons on prox-sensor Apr 21 12:24:38 btw, has anyone tried TxPad here? Apr 21 12:24:42 i would love your input Apr 21 12:24:44 chem|st: nope. I need exactly those accented letters. for my daily communication. Apr 21 12:25:13 Venemo_N900: I know I mean the button kombination ´ followed by a char Apr 21 12:25:26 combination Apr 21 12:25:42 btw still no portrait keyboard on n900 Apr 21 12:25:43 =( Apr 21 12:26:14 chem|st: nope, I'm not interested in the ´ char at all. anyway, I simply just set up a custom keymap. problem is that it is borked in Qt apps Apr 21 12:26:16 ZogG: and no swype and no speech to text, no voice dial... Apr 21 12:26:35 * ruskie really doesn't care about portrait mode... it's a landscape device... Apr 21 12:26:37 voice dial? meh Apr 21 12:27:00 Venemo_N900: if I presse ` and a I get à Apr 21 12:27:04 chem|st, swype would be nice but at least portrait Apr 21 12:27:27 chem|st: sure but I have no ´ on my keyboard either. Apr 21 12:27:28 and no if you do need to operate it one handed then you really shouldn't be using the device in the first place it means you're doing something else as well... Apr 21 12:27:34 chem|st check if you can get compose key on n900 Apr 21 12:27:38 Venemo_N900: that is what I meant Apr 21 12:27:56 mhm Apr 21 12:28:00 ruskie it would be nice though, on bus e.g. Apr 21 12:28:06 ruskie: smoking, holding a beer, dining a woman Apr 21 12:28:21 ruskie, i found the way to make RDS, but my n900 is dead Apr 21 12:28:26 :( Apr 21 12:28:43 Venemo_N900, btw did you play with dbus from C or C++? Apr 21 12:28:44 or holding the sealing bar in a bus... Apr 21 12:29:06 ZogG, took it to nokia repair yet? Apr 21 12:29:08 ZogG: yes, I've used QtDBus Apr 21 12:29:08 it's pretty simple Apr 21 12:29:21 ruskie i never tried it, but as i understand i just need to send to dbus message with song Apr 21 12:29:39 found program with src but don't understand all of it Apr 21 12:29:40 chem|st, so really nothing important where the device is actually required Apr 21 12:30:01 ruskie, no repairs here in israel, waiting for part for manual one Apr 21 12:30:09 seriously? Apr 21 12:30:20 and you contacted the local nokia corporate? Apr 21 12:30:23 beer smoke and bus-handle is important we can talk about the wife! ;) Apr 21 12:30:24 Venemo_N900, ok as i get it back you'll help me Apr 21 12:30:34 ruskie no local nokia here Apr 21 12:30:45 only thru other company who represent them Apr 21 12:30:59