**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Fri Apr 22 02:59:57 2011 Apr 22 03:04:09 ohhh, ok, got it... the n900 needed a coldboot Apr 22 03:04:15 i mean coldflash Apr 22 03:07:00 ? Apr 22 03:07:19 what are you doing to your device Apr 22 03:13:54 i did remove the nokia logo... Apr 22 03:14:02 but wanted to reflash it now after a whle Apr 22 03:14:24 got a lil slow and such stuff Apr 22 03:14:44 i assume it might have been caused by the nokia logo... but now that i know my way around it... Apr 22 03:15:00 but the usb worked seamlessly before the flashing Apr 22 03:16:12 and even after rebooting my netbook (one of the few occasions i change to a new kernel, yay to bleeding edge again x)) and still seeing it fail i assumed i must coldflash and got it done then :) Apr 22 03:18:25 rhm Apr 22 03:20:32 now remaking my important files Apr 22 03:20:44 i hope those close to 200MB were mostly only emails... Apr 22 03:20:54 sadly if you important contacts you need to import mail... Apr 22 03:22:19 meh Apr 22 03:22:41 i don't want some other random crap back like useless dirs Apr 22 03:23:06 i know, sounds pretty clean but once in a while it just has to be Apr 22 03:24:08 ahhh, clean n900 booting fast :) Apr 22 03:24:31 meh, and now installing app manager.. Apr 22 03:24:40 i mean with the app manager.. Apr 22 03:24:41 why? Apr 22 03:24:44 ah Apr 22 03:24:59 cause it's the only one capable of having the backup-list... Apr 22 03:25:48 i hate it really it being the only one capable of doing it :/ Apr 22 03:26:09 i'm so impressed with real programmers Apr 22 03:26:36 pupnik: but it's awesome to have removed the NOKIA-logo which shows up after reboot (jacekowski did there the work actually, without him i would have been really lost) Apr 22 03:26:54 hmm i dunno why you don't like the logo Apr 22 03:27:18 cause it's a huge NOKIA logo... i mean i know have one, they don't need to show me :) Apr 22 03:27:27 :) Apr 22 03:27:33 Wait, how do you remove that? Apr 22 03:28:04 derf: with magic and a lot of indepth knowledge on nolo... Apr 22 03:28:13 Yes, I know that much. Apr 22 03:28:17 which board do you have? Apr 22 03:28:30 i might be able to supply you with what has already been done Apr 22 03:28:48 Probably not, as I don't even understand your question. Apr 22 03:36:49 *sigh* i can't find the thread from talk which points on how to find it out Apr 22 03:36:55 but i am not sure if it is really stable Apr 22 03:37:25 and when youbreak on this level something it is more prone of truly turning into a brick i guess Apr 22 03:45:28 hmm Apr 22 03:45:57 ohh, found the two responsible commands though... i just overlooked them Apr 22 03:46:38 cat /proc/component_version; cat /proc/cpuinfo <--- those two shoudl show your your board-version in one of them Apr 22 03:47:29 hw-build 2101 here Apr 22 03:47:39 Hmm, my device is sitting on my desk at the office and not responding to ssh. Apr 22 03:47:39 :) we have the same board then :) Apr 22 03:47:52 most probably laggy wireless on it Apr 22 03:48:10 Yes. It interacts pretty terribly with the router we have there. Apr 22 03:48:13 i have to keep a ping running on my device Apr 22 03:48:19 to ssh to it Apr 22 03:48:22 it does help to prevent it dying Apr 22 03:48:35 luckily my home-network is pretty good though Apr 22 03:49:25 did you see lcuk's fix for wobbly power connector? Apr 22 03:49:39 he opened the board and inserted a shim between the usb connector and the thing right above it Apr 22 03:49:45 opened the unit Apr 22 03:51:15 wuhu, 79 days on-time for my server :) Apr 22 03:51:38 ohhh, haven't, my usb is pretty solid so far Apr 22 03:51:57 the only thing i am concerned about might be uberbig power-draw Apr 22 03:52:16 and my install takes like 780MB :/ Apr 22 03:52:36 but i still left two or three apps which are nice to have, like stellarium :) Apr 22 03:52:55 if the weather gets warmer i might just go out and look at the stars Apr 22 04:05:38 ohhh, i should finally check how my server works as my alarm clock... Apr 22 04:35:32 vangelis did some great tunes back in the 70s-80s Apr 22 05:47:34 hello, I decided to do the previous Community Update and when I rebooted I lost my /home/MyDir partition I'm not sure what /dev it is or if I've really lost it. Anyway it's been about a week and I'm wonderig if anyone has an idea as to what has happened to it :) Apr 22 05:47:38 thanks Apr 22 05:47:45 n900 user sorry Apr 22 05:48:37 yigal: open a terminal Apr 22 05:48:39 sudo gainroot Apr 22 05:48:51 ok root coming one sec Apr 22 05:49:16 then try "mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs" Apr 22 05:49:22 ok one sec Apr 22 05:49:51 robbiethe1st: one sec I've got to make a new folder as MyDocs has been populated by a few other things in the mean time Apr 22 05:51:29 yikes it's giving me weird stuff, but ty that makes good sense Apr 22 05:51:30 So? it'll mount over top of em Apr 22 05:51:40 and "hide" them for you Apr 22 05:51:50 I need to ssh into my sweet n900 one sec Apr 22 05:53:27 I'm not sure why it's telling me this Apr 22 05:53:40 /home/user # mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 MyDocs Apr 22 05:53:41 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on MyDocs failed: Invalid argument Apr 22 05:53:54 ah no relative path one sec Apr 22 05:53:58 Yea Apr 22 05:54:01 absolute path Apr 22 05:54:13 and it's mount what where Apr 22 05:54:44 same problem? Apr 22 05:54:47 /home/user # mount /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs Apr 22 05:54:47 mount: mounting /dev/mmcblk0p1 on /home/user/MyDocs failed: Invalid argument Apr 22 05:56:02 it's in /etc/fstab Apr 22 05:56:23 not sure if that helps Apr 22 05:57:49 /dev/mmcblk0p1 /home/user/MyDocs vfat noauto,nodev,noexec,nosuid,noatime,nodiratime,utf8,uid=29999,shortname=mixed,dmask=000,fmask=0133,rodir 0 0 Apr 22 05:58:10 that's its entry Apr 22 05:58:19 I'm gonna reinstall mount? Apr 22 05:58:45 yigal: is there /dev/mmcblk0p1 at all? Apr 22 05:58:50 yes Apr 22 05:59:17 mount | grep mmcblk0p1 Apr 22 06:00:20 mount can give invalid argument if device is already mounted Apr 22 06:00:22 one sec I used sudo su which initially appeared to work as I didn't install gainroot on this machine, so I think robbiethe1st's suggestions are valid Apr 22 06:01:09 Uh Apr 22 06:01:17 what's in /home/user/mydocs now? Apr 22 06:01:30 Cause yea, it /may/ be mounted Apr 22 06:01:43 not mounted Apr 22 06:01:51 df mount no sign of 0p1 Apr 22 06:01:59 but one sec, and thank you for the help Apr 22 06:02:22 Go install Backupmenu; reboot with keyboard open, plug it into a PC via USB, hit "w", and access it that way Apr 22 06:02:32 Then you can back things up and restore as needed Apr 22 06:02:42 * slonopotamus wonders if "one sec" is the latency Apr 22 06:03:18 ok, one sec ~ 5-10 minutes sorry for lack of quantative precision Apr 22 06:04:01 yigal: you're just saying it over and over again :) Apr 22 06:04:15 ya, my root access is going berzerk Apr 22 06:04:49 can't win, :D Apr 22 06:06:09 yigal: so, "mount | grep mmcblk0p1" outputs nothing? Apr 22 06:06:13 ok rootsh and backupmenu installing via faster app manager wish I could apt-get these but well hopefully after the download Apr 22 06:06:24 slonopotamus: mount | grep 0p1 - gets nothing Apr 22 06:07:37 okay. now, is there anything in dmesg after you try to mount it and get Invalid argument? btw, to be sure, mount with "-t vfat" flag Apr 22 06:07:41 no same bad stuff after gaining root through, "root" via rootsh package Apr 22 06:07:43 sure Apr 22 06:07:47 can't help Apr 22 06:07:48 slonopotamus: good point one sec Apr 22 06:07:49 *hurt Apr 22 06:08:01 robbiethe1st: ahh, you tried dude, that's huge Apr 22 06:08:53 All I can really say is that filesystems on the N900 can be finicky; most of the time it's the OptFS that dies, though Apr 22 06:09:33 ya the file system isn't ext* so I'm not expecting much :D Apr 22 06:09:53 well parts are but not the personal storage Apr 22 06:10:12 slonopotamus: no dmesg doesn't seem to have anything in it? Apr 22 06:10:30 Well, the optfs /is/ ext* (ext3 I think) and it ends up dying for some people quite a bit. The FAT32 mydocs should be fixable, though it may require access from a PC Apr 22 06:11:04 robbiethe1st: /opt is same fs as /home, surprise. and it's plain ext3 Apr 22 06:11:40 hmm will the, fsch.vfat /dev/mmcblk0p1, something like that I should try that Apr 22 06:11:46 then I'll call it quits Apr 22 06:11:49 thanks dudes Apr 22 06:11:51 Uh, yea. /home/user/MyDocs however is a different filesystem; I just call the home/opt "optfs" Apr 22 06:12:34 yigal: should be dosfsck /dev/mmcblk0p1 Apr 22 06:14:18 why? mmcblk0p1 is vfat Apr 22 06:15:15 I mean if we're using defaults Apr 22 06:17:59 Yes; dosfsck = fsck for fat Apr 22 06:18:25 but fsch.vfat is also? Apr 22 06:21:31 ones a simlink to the other Apr 22 06:21:38 but it's 'fsck.vfat' Apr 22 06:21:44 K, not H Apr 22 06:21:56 a lot like F**K :P Apr 22 06:24:06 lol Apr 22 06:25:41 for me it's just easier to remember fsck. Apr 22 06:28:47 you're more l33t Apr 22 06:31:07 heh Apr 22 06:34:58 confusing - nothing taking up cpu yet 30mA is consumed Apr 22 06:35:32 maybe oprofile kernel module Apr 22 06:36:13 pupnik: /evetything's/ off? including all radios? Apr 22 06:36:41 no but i had below 7mA before with wifi on and ssh running Apr 22 06:36:56 that seems too low... Apr 22 06:36:59 hmm Apr 22 06:37:31 I mean, you'd be talking /at least/ 10mA in transmitted power, figure 20-30mA into it Apr 22 06:37:47 plus what's needed for the CPU at 250mhz most of the time Apr 22 06:38:07 running wifi without encryption btw Apr 22 06:38:56 let's see how it does after rebootthen Apr 22 06:43:12 after reboot down to 5-7 mA battery use with ssh + wifi robbiethe1st Apr 22 06:43:19 wow Apr 22 06:43:40 What about with screen on? Apr 22 06:43:53 that is variable with brightness Apr 22 06:44:00 over 110 Apr 22 06:55:44 how do i check that? Apr 22 06:56:27 Probably with a couple of wires, a multimeter, and a benchtop power supply Apr 22 07:27:06 shortcutd with proximity sensor is very flaky Apr 22 07:27:28 most of the time proximity sensor doesnt work Apr 22 07:27:56 the camera sensor/button works perfect though Apr 22 07:35:33 crap, proxymityd wasnt running. wondery why? had to reinstall shortcutd Apr 22 07:35:39 and now it works Apr 22 07:44:43 when i refresh tracker on my n900, i always seem to get a few random songs shoved into "untitled album", "untitled artist" that are tagged correctly. what gives? Apr 22 07:45:17 and this is after i run a short script to remove all .mediaartlocal dirs within my media Apr 22 09:09:26 mooo Apr 22 09:41:24 µ Apr 22 10:00:26 I am trying to call a method every 1sec using gobject. http://dpaste.com/534592/ why do I see output only once? Apr 22 10:01:21 i seem to have an issue with the uboot packate for kernel-power...whenever i install it, it boots the sd card, but not kernel-power...ive no problem with the regular uboot, am i being stupid? do i ahve to instal the kernel and uboot part ina particular order? Apr 22 10:03:56 Why do you use uboot instead of multiboot? Apr 22 10:04:44 I have kernel-power, nitdroid and BackupMenu now. With multiboot it's quite simple Apr 22 10:06:56 keks-n: cool Apr 22 10:08:34 BTW, is there any autobuilder in garage? I still have no access to extras-devel but want to check that my packages compiles in it Apr 22 10:08:48 keks-n: multiboot is crap and strongly deprecated Apr 22 10:09:08 piggz: uBoot is packaged with the kernel Apr 22 10:09:20 But it works Apr 22 10:09:34 piggz: ...I.E. both live in same partition and can't get installed separately Apr 22 10:09:57 keks-n: actually no it doesn't Apr 22 10:10:36 But why it boots everything I tell it? Apr 22 10:11:30 keks-n: to boot meego Apr 22 10:11:49 MeeGo isn't usable yet Apr 22 10:11:56 keks-n: so? Apr 22 10:13:02 BTW, have anyone managed to boot meego using kexec? Apr 22 10:13:54 DocScrutinizer: so, it should be just a case if installing uboot-power? (which i have tried im sure) Apr 22 10:14:10 piggz: there's a powerkernel+uBot pkg somewhere in extras-devel Apr 22 10:14:36 which I'm using on one of my devices and works fine Apr 22 10:14:42 http://maemo.org/packages/view/uboot-power/ ? Apr 22 10:14:44 (thanks MohammadAG ) Apr 22 10:16:07 piggz: yes Apr 22 10:19:19 DocScrutinizer: well, i may aswell try again, worst that can happen is i have to reflash the kernel (again!) ;) Apr 22 10:19:51 umm, not exactly. Kernel needs its modules Apr 22 10:20:13 everybody likes to forget about that detail Apr 22 10:20:23 most common cause of bootloops Apr 22 10:21:17 but for me installation of that uboot-power pkg was straight forward Apr 22 10:22:48 it's important to install modules kernal flasher all 3 in right sequence. HAM will take care Apr 22 10:23:53 installation via apt-get takes a tiny bit more care about what you're doing Apr 22 10:27:01 btw that's (modules) exactly why multiboot is broken - you can't deinstall it Apr 22 10:28:10 and it will mess up system beyond recover (= flash it) when you interrupt the insane flashing of kernel and modules at *each* boottime Apr 22 10:30:21 also installing any new kernel after multiboot got installed will break at very least multiboot, but likely also the new kernel and thus the whole system -> reflash Apr 22 10:31:13 ergo: multiboot is crap, nobody except nitdroid folks needs it, and so it's deprecated Apr 22 10:32:26 ^^ One hopes it will die, but just like VB, it will probably linger around for years, causing pain for everyone Apr 22 10:32:29 (nitdroid folks as well could have changed to use of uBoot since long - simply they don't care about all the problems they cause, as long as their crap works) Apr 22 10:33:00 >>just like VB Apr 22 10:33:08 What do you have agains it? Apr 22 10:33:15 Is there any protocol for getting rid of dangerous packages? Flashing the kernel on boot seems 'dangerous' enough to me... Apr 22 10:33:18 ;) Apr 22 10:33:30 A good language for the times when it was released Apr 22 10:33:45 robbiethe1st: pester x-fade to nuke the package :-D Apr 22 10:34:28 BASIC never been a good language in any respect Apr 22 10:34:41 And now, there's almost no reason to ever see or use it Apr 22 10:35:00 VB was the best solution for COM interaction Apr 22 10:35:15 *burp* Apr 22 10:35:17 Well, perhaps that's the problem? Apr 22 10:35:17 Have you ever tried to interact with COM from C++? Apr 22 10:35:25 It's nightmare Apr 22 10:35:26 Get rid of COM? Apr 22 10:35:47 In 90-th? Apr 22 10:35:48 lol Apr 22 10:36:49 nobody has still gotten rid of COM an windows :( Apr 22 10:37:02 * robbiethe1st raises hand Apr 22 10:39:06 Hm... Apr 22 10:39:24 It looks like, that I've got it working Apr 22 10:39:45 Mono 2.10.1 + GTK bindings + MonoDevelop Apr 22 10:40:05 MONOOOOOOOOOOOOOO! Apr 22 10:40:15 mo-NOOOOO! Apr 22 10:40:21 http://habreffect.ru/files/d3b/c928e6172/Screenshot-20110422-143626.png Apr 22 10:40:27 Lol'd Apr 22 10:40:49 EEW Apr 22 10:41:09 Keep those evil Windows things out of our pristine Linux machines! Apr 22 10:41:20 coolface.jpg Apr 22 10:41:37 also, read http://thedailywtf.com Apr 22 10:41:43 * DocScrutinizer now finally has a walk to bathroom - throwing up Apr 22 10:41:50 Ouch Apr 22 10:42:16 At least mono is better then java Apr 22 10:42:26 VB, COM, now even MONO... too much Apr 22 10:43:13 OK. What do you suggest? Python? Apr 22 10:43:13 I dunno; Java /does/ work cross-platform, relatively fast. Not nearly as good as native, but oh well... Apr 22 10:43:26 Python, C++... Apr 22 10:43:30 Mono also work pretty fast Apr 22 10:43:36 Faster then python Apr 22 10:44:13 I'm using it to host ASP.NET applications on my Linux servers and have no problems with perfomance Apr 22 10:44:23 sure, and it only brought my 512MB desktop intel system to a grinding halt like 50 times Apr 22 10:44:41 Well, you could probably port it to PHP and do 10x as much with the same computer Apr 22 10:45:04 Actually I've ported the engine FROM php Apr 22 10:45:05 Admittedly, PHP's not great... but I'd use it over Mono. Apr 22 10:45:25 And got about 5 times better perfomance Apr 22 10:45:34 Optimize it better, then? Apr 22 10:45:46 esp when some gasheads at Suse decided to build their new packet manager with mono components (buzzword red carpet) Apr 22 10:46:35 Why should I use php instead of compilable language with strong typization? Apr 22 10:46:56 Because of that last bit. Loose typing makes things easy. Apr 22 10:47:05 lol Apr 22 10:47:10 Let me just say that I won't have Mono installed on my desktop or computers. Nor Silverlight. Flash is OK(but I block it all the time), and Java is... a necessary evil. Mainly for Runescape. Apr 22 10:47:43 I use it for web Apr 22 10:47:46 keks-n, so you managed to get Mono 2.10 working on Maemo? Apr 22 10:47:53 Yep Apr 22 10:48:00 *burp* Apr 22 10:48:03 I dispise MS products now, ever since they came out with a "student version" of VB6 that didn't have the "web control" element or whatever it was called. They lost my buisness /forever/ with that little thing. Apr 22 10:48:29 keks-n, just ignore them. I'm happy we finally have Mono Apr 22 10:48:37 robbiethe1st, Mono is not an MS product Apr 22 10:48:50 No, but what it runs /is/ Apr 22 10:48:57 nope Apr 22 10:49:00 Venemo: I hope installation comes with a free RAM upgrade to 512MB at very least Apr 22 10:49:07 DocScrutinizer, :P Apr 22 10:49:40 It would be like saying OpenJDK isn't an Oracle/sun product; Sure, OpenJDK wasn't developed by them, but the language was. Apr 22 10:50:11 .net == microsoft. Mono wasn't, but who cares? Language still has MS stuff in it Apr 22 10:50:18 and who cares? Apr 22 10:50:22 mono definitely is the most evil rogue resource hog BS thing I ever seen on any unixoid machine Apr 22 10:50:42 DocScrutinizer, that was true maybe 5-10 years ago. but not now. Apr 22 10:51:23 oooh sorry, I forgot this c+++++ library, what it's called? BOOST Apr 22 10:51:42 Don't remind about it -_- Apr 22 10:51:57 almost has the potential to beat MONO on BS-factor Apr 22 10:51:57 DocScrutinizer, for example, the Banshee media player (which uses the evil Mono) consumes less resources on my machine than Totem movie player (that's written in C) Apr 22 10:51:59 But seriously, for something like the N900 you want as much optimization as you can get: Python works good for GUI-scripting, as all the /hard/ stuff's being done natively in C++. Most intensive code should be done using C/C++ for performance, IMHO. Apr 22 10:52:16 robbiethe1st, ever heard of JIT? Apr 22 10:52:49 Yes. And, near as I can tell, it will /never/ be as fast as a good standard compiler Apr 22 10:52:52 I'm thinking about enabling AOT-cache for it Apr 22 10:53:07 python has JIT Apr 22 10:53:33 robbiethe1st, well anyway, don't use it if you don't like it. Apr 22 10:54:29 I won't, thank you very much. Apr 22 10:54:35 mono, the useless porting effort of a redmond based me-too java competitor Apr 22 10:55:07 DocScrutinizer, you wouldn't say that if you actually knew it better. Apr 22 10:55:31 I know it well enough to know I know it too good already Apr 22 10:55:43 I wish I never had heard of it :-P Apr 22 10:56:08 haha Apr 22 10:57:24 Venemo: Also - JIT relies on specific per-arch optimisation, for obvious reasons. Apr 22 10:57:44 you know how I learned to know about what's MONO? while digging thru ps and trying to unlock my machine Apr 22 10:57:51 SpeedEvil, correct. and? Apr 22 10:58:09 DocScrutinizer, so how come that it works for me? Apr 22 10:58:18 nfc Apr 22 10:58:28 haha Apr 22 11:00:41 for me mono is for windows amateurs that want to use their useless windows knowledge on unix, rather than learning about proper methods Apr 22 11:01:08 IT'S AN INVASION!!! Apr 22 11:01:27 Haters gonna hate Apr 22 11:02:29 It's good for cross-platform development. The bundle with the runtime and GTK bindings is about 10-15M Apr 22 11:02:47 *cough* Apr 22 11:03:07 And the same binaries work on all platforms Apr 22 11:03:15 Can be obfuscated as well Apr 22 11:03:41 The best solution for easy development of commercial cross-platform applications Apr 22 11:04:02 of course, a lib based on a language M$ invented as they didn't like to adhere to java standards, now is good for cross platform Apr 22 11:04:50 DocScrutinizer, java is horseshit and you know it. Apr 22 11:05:08 it HAS TO BE, as for sure that's been the major goal of M$ when inventing .net Apr 22 11:05:27 I haven't seen any sane java application yet. Apr 22 11:05:29 so yeah Apr 22 11:06:18 I haven't see any sane .NET app yet as well Apr 22 11:06:20 same here for .net/mono Apr 22 11:06:34 :-D Apr 22 11:06:40 but of course .NET|Java make developing cheap... Apr 22 11:06:45 yah Apr 22 11:06:49 that's their purpose Apr 22 11:06:53 and using expensive Apr 22 11:06:58 to bad it's also useless for anyone who doesn't actually want to have anything of that... Apr 22 11:07:27 hell my boss is looking into if we can re-do a silverlight thingy in html and js... simply because it's faster... Apr 22 11:07:41 LOL Apr 22 11:07:45 the only downside... needs a webdesigner and someone who actually wants to deal with JS Apr 22 11:07:46 Heh, I bet it is Apr 22 11:08:04 * robbiethe1st raises hand: I could probably do it Apr 22 11:08:08 and we mostly have .NET and one Java person... Apr 22 11:08:46 ohmy Apr 22 11:09:10 and that java person is being requalified to .NET as well Apr 22 11:09:22 boss considers Java to big of a risk... Apr 22 11:09:37 we had a major project that should have been PMed better... Apr 22 11:09:49 which was why the costs were way way way above what they should have been Apr 22 11:10:09 so yeah... lets not do java anymore because of that Apr 22 12:03:52 ruskie, well JS nowadays is not really that bad :) Apr 22 12:04:43 that's a joke right? Apr 22 12:05:00 mouhaha Apr 22 12:19:20 ruskie, maybe your boss wants to redo something done in silverlight in HTML/JS because there's more support for it? Apr 22 12:20:49 nope Apr 22 12:21:00 just performance Apr 22 12:43:17 silverlight is horrible Apr 22 12:43:24 it's almost as bad as flash Apr 22 12:45:37 they are the same beast... just different coat... Apr 22 13:06:12 ruskie, maybe your boss wants <<< most of time boss without technical knowledge forcing to use one techno over an other one, just because it s more hype .... Apr 22 13:06:21 crashanddie: and most of time it s a huge failure Apr 22 13:20:43 MohammadAG, new MK9 is cool, you should play Apr 22 13:22:02 ZogG, I was part of quality testing for that Apr 22 13:22:18 MohammadAG nooooo way Apr 22 13:22:27 MohammadAG, but your ps3 is JB isn't it? Apr 22 13:22:42 no, what's MK9 :P Apr 22 13:23:00 MohammadAG mortal kombat 9 Apr 22 13:25:42 ZogG, oh, I thought it was a gun Apr 22 13:27:20 MohammadAG =) Apr 22 13:27:54 MohammadAG, with all respect and love i feel towards you i wouldn't give you a gun, you can get bad influence from @bad@ people Apr 22 13:34:06 ZogG, not even a water gun? :( Apr 22 13:43:21 MohammadAG tag gun Apr 22 13:46:10 hm... is there a way the n900 can be forced into mass storage mode? Apr 22 13:47:10 mikki-kun you plug in you choose mass storage Apr 22 13:47:28 ZogG: it doesn't have the desired effect :) Apr 22 13:47:33 that's why i ask Apr 22 14:01:00 mikki-kun: yeah, fix the problem Apr 22 14:02:32 Q: "Is there a way to force on my living room ceiling light?" A: "use the light switch!" R: "this doesn't work, that's why I ask" Apr 22 14:03:25 DocScrutinizer: there is a reason why i am asking, i ain't an electrician and checked the button already =p Apr 22 14:04:09 your question should be "Why is mass storage mode failing when I plug in N900 to PC?" Apr 22 14:04:32 A: I dunno Apr 22 14:04:58 maybe PC, maybe cable broken, maybe maemo system messed up Apr 22 14:08:54 DocScrutinizer: doesn't it imply, when asking for "how to force the n900 into mass stoage mode?" that it is most likely plugged into a pc? Apr 22 14:09:37 mikki-kun, reboot n900 Apr 22 14:10:27 mikki-kun: it first of all implies there'd be a way to force something that should happen without forcing it Apr 22 14:11:11 alternatively, close the apps that are using MyDocs and try again Apr 22 14:11:20 so the question is basically wrong Apr 22 14:11:52 lcuk: good point Apr 22 14:12:06 hm, it's a fresh boot of it Apr 22 14:12:12 * DocScrutinizer suggests lsof|grep MyDocs Apr 22 14:12:51 ohhh, wow, waiting for a minute and then telling it to go into mass storage did the trick knda... Apr 22 14:13:31 might just restart all over again, fresh install actually... Apr 22 14:13:48 somewhere along the path something must have gone wrong... Apr 22 14:13:51 *sigh* Apr 22 14:14:15 I think something kept filehandles open on MyDocs, possibly trackerd Apr 22 14:14:52 trackerd might take a few seconds to cleanly quit a scan Apr 22 14:15:09 how does trackerd have more priority over the system than i have? Apr 22 14:15:41 errr humm. Because trackerd is smarter than you? ;-P Apr 22 14:16:03 trackerd is a powerhoger -.- Apr 22 14:16:10 indeed Apr 22 14:16:29 and is pretty annoying in some instances... Apr 22 14:17:22 i don't care if it is just about to finish it's database... when i want to transfer files it needs to redo it anyway, so why let it make a database which is about to get wiped anyway? Apr 22 14:17:31 DocScrutinizer, I solved n900 wobbly charger problem on my device :) Apr 22 14:17:59 and barely trainable via tracker-cfg app Apr 22 14:18:13 lcuk: :-D how? Apr 22 14:18:41 DocScrutinizer, well the power socket was starting to come loose so had to hold device still to charge it Apr 22 14:19:00 so I opened up my n900 and took a peek inside Apr 22 14:19:01 ouch Apr 22 14:19:06 mhm Apr 22 14:19:12 turns out, overlapping the power plug Apr 22 14:19:27 there is a circuit board for the MMC Apr 22 14:19:31 yep Apr 22 14:19:45 fixed with nasty ds sticky Apr 22 14:19:47 I wedged some card between the top of the usb plug and that board Apr 22 14:19:59 o.O Apr 22 14:20:10 so that when it is all back together the card pushes the power plug back onto the board Apr 22 14:20:34 hey DocScrutinizer Apr 22 14:20:49 it is not a total fix and would not work if the connector is fully off Apr 22 14:20:51 any idea what might be causing that error to pop up that i posted yesterday? Apr 22 14:20:55 but it adds some stability Apr 22 14:21:12 lcuk: wow that's like fixing tower of Pisa with a packthread Apr 22 14:22:09 Sazpaimon: sorry, missing context Apr 22 14:22:16 /home/maemo/src/cross-toolchain/gmp-5.0.1+dfsg/build/tests/cxx/.libs/lt-t-locale: relocation error: /home/maemo/src/cross-toolchain/gmp-5.0.1+dfsg/build/tests/cxx/.libs/lt-t-locale: symbol _ZNSt8numpunctIcE22_M_initialize_numpunctEPi, version GLIBCXX_3.4 not defined in file libstdc++.so.6 with link time reference Apr 22 14:22:23 AHHHHH, i'll make a fresh install of it basically, every single app hand-picked again... Apr 22 14:22:25 this happens during compilation Apr 22 14:22:42 maybe scratchbox's toolchain is linking to a different version of glibc? Apr 22 14:22:52 duh, toldya I think you linked lt-t-locale against a "wrong" glibc Apr 22 14:22:54 i dont know, it doesnt happen on an armel target Apr 22 14:23:06 DocScrutinizer, heh Apr 22 14:23:10 err libstdc++ Apr 22 14:23:21 DocScrutinizer, obviously, but how did it happen in scratchbox Apr 22 14:23:28 and most importantly a handful of apps getting high priority, rootsh, fapman, bash and openssh Apr 22 14:23:37 nfc, I try to stay away from SB Apr 22 14:24:28 solving a problem on the n900? reinstall maemo... Apr 22 14:24:58 solving a problem in gentoo: just boot into a shell and do your work from there... Apr 22 14:25:07 mikki-kun: the problem first needs proper investigation, then a proper fix Apr 22 14:25:47 mikki-kun: basically there's absolutely ZERO difference in that respect between gentoo and maemo Apr 22 14:26:30 Khertan, why did you open a bug report for the MR? :P Apr 22 14:27:35 mikki-kun: there's no priority issue with your setup. It's just trackerd (IF it really been trackerd that caused the hang) needs some time to cleanup, as ke-recv on detecting MassStorageMode selected doesn't kill -9 the trackerd Apr 22 14:27:58 hm, there is... somehow some emerge went misserably wrong and i had loads of 20+ on my netbook... i then had to just kill it, and my harddisk was said to be corrupted... still it went on with what it had to do, even without it actually being properly booting... i had full control over it. so far i haven't found an easy way, if you screw around with some system-files on how to repair it from it's infinite boot-cycle Apr 22 14:28:16 MohammadAG: MR ? Apr 22 14:28:27 ah merge request Apr 22 14:28:33 so if there are several threads indexing all those 22GB of mp3, and a lot of those process texts got swapped out, it will inevitably take some time to quit the processes gently Apr 22 14:28:35 because i' ve read the wiki Apr 22 14:29:03 and better for follow ? Apr 22 14:29:08 DocScrutinizer, so how do you target maemo when compiling then Apr 22 14:29:12 s/for/to Apr 22 14:29:36 iirc scratchbox is the only thing that provides a chroot that hs the same glibc version that maemo uses Apr 22 14:29:59 Sazpaimon: probably Apr 22 14:30:07 nfc about SB Apr 22 14:30:11 sorry Apr 22 14:30:13 :/ Apr 22 14:30:30 DocScrutinizer: i killed trackerd before trying it again... Apr 22 14:30:35 MohammadAG: this isn't the way to do ? Apr 22 14:30:40 ask those who use it several hours every day, like e.g. MohammadAG Apr 22 14:31:43 DocScrutinizer: but have you found a way to rescue an n900 from a reboot-loop so far? if you have, please let me know Apr 22 14:31:55 depends Apr 22 14:32:24 a lot of reboot loops can get stopped so you can fix the cause, by enabling R&D and no-wd Apr 22 14:33:00 rescue-initrd is another way to fix a bootlooping system Apr 22 14:33:27 no-wd? Apr 22 14:33:37 or simply booting meego and then mounting the maemo rootfs there to fix it Apr 22 14:33:56 see manpage/readme of flasher Apr 22 14:34:42 there are two watchdog flags you can set to off for R&D mode Apr 22 14:35:28 DocScrutinizer: no-wd isn't explained, just mentioned as a flag you can set... Apr 22 14:36:12 there's a omap-wd and a sw-wd iirc Apr 22 14:36:36 both a watchdogs that make system reboot when not serviced Apr 22 14:37:45 DocScrutinizer: yeah, but what does it help me if somebody tells me "ohh and you could just set this and that" but no explanation is given? Apr 22 14:38:02 dunno Apr 22 14:38:18 it basically doesn't help me a thing :) Apr 22 14:38:19 no Apr 22 14:38:27 no-omap-wd is for the hardware watchdog Apr 22 14:38:34 I suggest you don't disable that Apr 22 14:38:48 no-lifeguard-reset is what you want Apr 22 14:38:51 DocScrutinizer: see, already one guy who gives his suggestions on what not to do :) Apr 22 14:39:34 and i trust he has played around with it enough to tell out of experience :) Apr 22 14:41:19 mikki-kun: so don't ask me things please Apr 22 14:42:17 mikki-kun: or send money for a precise answer with warranty Apr 22 14:43:18 ohhh, wow... and i thought we were in a chat were we could tell our thoughts... Apr 22 14:43:43 here's a free last tip: Apr 22 14:43:47 ~question Apr 22 14:43:47 hmm... question is If you have a question and want people to give useful answers, make sure you have read this first: http://www.catb.org/~esr/faqs/smart-questions.html Apr 22 15:14:28 now both shut up before I /kb y'all. Apr 22 15:16:13 * RST38h yawns, wonders what is going on Apr 22 15:23:50 doc and mikki have entered a pissing contest about and hour ago. Apr 22 15:24:32 slowpokes. Apr 22 15:25:59 .... .... .... .... Apr 22 15:29:37 hhhh? Apr 22 15:36:27 static, indeed. Apr 22 15:36:57 crashanddie: clean your glasses Apr 22 15:37:27 DocScrutinizer, hmm? Apr 22 15:37:54 crashanddie: I can't see any pissing contest Apr 22 15:39:10 check your shoes, it usually ends up there Apr 22 15:47:23 * MohammadAG tries out MeeGo DE Apr 22 15:47:57 they got a splash screen for bootup Apr 22 15:48:51 seems to be a major improvement over the last images I've tried Apr 22 15:49:00 is the UI still shit? Apr 22 15:49:08 LMFAO Apr 22 15:49:17 I just got a dialog Apr 22 15:49:23 when I opened the phone app Apr 22 15:49:30 "Dialer sucks, do you want to close it?" Apr 22 15:49:43 I'll take that as a yes, then Apr 22 15:49:56 this is lulz Apr 22 15:50:21 Mohammad: Press NO! Apr 22 15:50:31 has anyone tried alien on meego Apr 22 15:50:39 to convert existing maemo debs to rpms Apr 22 15:50:51 (and you know, see if they actually work) Apr 22 15:51:01 doesn't alien do the opposite? Apr 22 15:51:13 it can go both ways i believe Apr 22 15:51:18 RST38h, I did, I kind of expect it to say "We have no dialer, we expected you to press yes" Apr 22 15:51:49 sudo alien -r pytube_0.0.8.1-1_all.deb Apr 22 15:51:50 pytube-0.0.8.1-2.noarch.rpm generated Apr 22 15:52:25 though ironically it seems alien is only available as a deb on debian Apr 22 15:52:33 so you'd need to use alien to convert alien into an rpm Apr 22 15:52:36 interesting Apr 22 15:52:36 (what?) Apr 22 15:53:34 though alien does have some debian-centric dependencies i believe Apr 22 15:54:21 you may be able to --nodeps it though Apr 22 15:55:59 thanks for the info Apr 22 15:57:04 personally i try to make any rpm based system as debian-centric as I can Apr 22 15:57:13 first thing i do is forego yum and install apt Apr 22 16:25:22 if you can paypal scott horton a couple bucks now is the time Apr 22 16:25:23 http://thestressblog.com/2011/04/08/fundraiser-the-ultimate-interview-archive/ Apr 22 16:34:31 is there a copy of N810/N900 skype anywhere? Apr 22 16:35:35 eval-: yes Apr 22 16:38:49 eval-: already installed in a phone Apr 22 16:39:31 jacekowski: I need some sort of extracted version (with libs as seen in 'ldd' and helper apps if possible) Apr 22 16:39:51 not possible Apr 22 16:39:58 it depends on lot of closed stuff in n900 Apr 22 16:40:08 and other way round Apr 22 16:40:14 and lot of that is hardware specific Apr 22 16:40:49 n810 version as well? Apr 22 16:41:14 (so there is no hope for these copies of skype to work on any other ARM devices) Apr 22 16:41:57 even with LD_PRELOAD, library wrappers and other tricks? Apr 22 16:48:44 lot of nasty tricks Apr 22 16:49:08 you would have to pull like half of n900 libraries Apr 22 16:49:11 or n810 Apr 22 16:49:15 and use loads of ram Apr 22 16:50:57 but all the source is open, yes? Apr 22 16:51:29 so we could conceivably write wrappers for all the functions whose symbols are needed by skype? i guess it would be a hellish effort though Apr 22 17:18:18 it'd probably be easier to run x86 skype in a qemu under windows Apr 22 17:23:12 or x86 linux skype in qemu-user? Apr 22 17:23:35 nah, linux skype is kinda borked Apr 22 17:23:57 and there's windows under qemu running on N900 Apr 22 17:26:23 Madmen. Apr 22 17:26:30 :-D Apr 22 17:26:48 no skype here, anywhere ;-) Apr 22 17:27:26 nuked it when I said "F* U, that's been it with me as betatester. Skype's too stupid" Apr 22 17:28:23 took them a year to implement ALSA support, and when they finally came up with it it's been as bad and broken as it could get Apr 22 17:30:02 jacekowski: i think you are right. this looks unfeasibly complicated. Apr 22 17:30:36 DocScrutinizer: you were skype betatester? i am too and tldr; = i feel you Apr 22 17:32:14 esp. on os x, just recently the interwebs took note bigtime too Apr 22 17:32:21 yup, been betatester, but that's like 5 years ago Apr 22 17:32:51 ok Apr 22 17:33:45 well i am on my first full-linux laptop now and getting to feel linux skype in detail Apr 22 17:34:00 theyre just not putting resources into it Apr 22 17:34:27 but 2.2 works stable enough for multichatting.. Apr 22 17:35:07 when they came up with their totally idiotic and broken ALSA implementation, while the one I supported on twinkle worked fine, and they didn't even listen to me about what's wrong with theirs, I stopped that useless effort and forgot about skype. Just in time to avoid the first virus attacks and shit Apr 22 17:35:14 is there any community side work on maemo project? Apr 22 17:35:15 given up on skype on mobile though, you need server side (bitlbee) solution Apr 22 17:35:45 yeah, they are rich so they ignore a lot of stuff Apr 22 17:36:06 ~cssu Apr 22 17:36:07 cssu is, like, http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Apr 22 17:49:01 200 dpi screens. i dreamed about that as a kid Apr 22 17:49:24 * lcuk dreamed about touchscreens in general Apr 22 17:49:32 hehe Apr 22 17:50:16 they said we'd have flat panel TVs 'in a couple of years' back in 1984 Apr 22 17:57:02 200dpi screens - but only on your phone. Apr 22 17:57:18 Of course you can't have them on your desktop/laptopmonitor. Apr 22 17:57:47 don't really need Apr 22 17:57:58 I do. Apr 22 18:01:05 is there any community side work on maemo project? like fixing bugs or updating applications or having a milestone? Apr 22 18:01:45 i'm affected by a very annoying bug, so i'm interested Apr 22 18:01:54 be specific Apr 22 18:02:06 this bug https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=11444 Apr 22 18:02:09 Bug 11444: Virtual keyboard messes up text in Email Apr 22 18:03:22 when i enter text via virtual keyboard, it's fine. but when i edit it, it gets messed up sometimes Apr 22 18:03:50 i've tried it on all applications, it's the same Apr 22 18:05:20 I have the same problem. I'm voting Apr 22 18:05:44 although I would say it's random Apr 22 18:05:48 chadi, it's very annoying Apr 22 18:05:56 rather than always reproducable Apr 22 18:08:50 compengi: I rarely use the virtual keyboard, that's why I am not very bothered Apr 22 18:19:52 again Apr 22 18:19:56 ~cssu Apr 22 18:19:56 [cssu] http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Apr 22 18:21:21 >>The Community Seamless Software Update (CSSU) is being developed by the Maemo community as a continuation of, and expansion on, Nokia's update support. It aims to deliver fixes which would be difficult to deliver through Extras (like core Maemo packages) Apr 22 18:23:27 keyboard's closed source Apr 22 18:23:46 MeeGo's definitely headed in the right direction Apr 22 18:27:35 soft keyboard or something? Apr 22 18:31:01 how is the keyboard closed source? Apr 22 18:32:49 virtual keyboard Apr 22 18:40:22 RST38h, http://i52.tinypic.com/1t62iv.jpg Apr 22 18:41:08 http://www.guardian.co.uk/technology/2011/apr/20/iphone-tracking-prompts-privacy-fears Apr 22 18:41:11 Security researchers have discovered that Apple's iPhone keeps track of where you go – and saves every detail of it to a secret file on the device which is then copied to the owner's computer when the two are synchronised. Apr 22 18:42:02 Welcome to two days ago. Apr 22 18:42:14 Warden and Allan point out that the file is moved onto new devices when an old one is replaced Apr 22 18:44:11 Apple can legitimately claim that it has permission to collect the data: near the end of the 15,200-word terms and conditions for its iTunes program, used to synchronise with iPhones, iPods and iPads, is an 86-word paragraph about "location-based services". Apr 22 18:44:20 pupnik: thank you for the old news Apr 22 18:49:39 what has happend to maemo-qt channel :S Apr 22 18:52:23 #qt-maemo Apr 22 18:52:37 I'd ask here anyway Apr 22 18:59:36 i updated the device to the community newest release, and i noticed that there is an autorotation functionality in it, is that new? because i don't remember that the menu icons could rotate vertically Apr 22 19:00:09 good evening Maemo Apr 22 19:05:47 compengi, yes, it's new stuff Apr 22 19:06:00 compengi, also new is the portrait-mode task launcher and task navigator Apr 22 19:10:58 wow Apr 22 19:11:15 #meego is madness. Apr 22 19:11:55 i get massive dcc recv Apr 22 19:13:23 Venemo, cool.. i see that the cam-ui is changed too Apr 22 19:13:41 I haven't noticed that one yet Apr 22 19:14:25 though, if you cam cap is closed, it doesn't ask you anymore to open it Apr 22 19:15:11 Venemo, what's that portrait mode? Apr 22 19:15:48 what about it? Apr 22 19:16:04 where do i find it Apr 22 19:16:06 :) Apr 22 19:44:01 compengi, just go to the task launcher and tilt your phone Apr 22 19:51:01 camera-ui really needs to stop the camera when the device is locked Apr 22 19:51:15 (the rewrite) Apr 22 20:04:31 HI! So when can we expext an maemo tablet;D Apr 22 20:06:58 ? Apr 22 20:07:05 never, really Apr 22 20:08:10 too bad. stupid move from nokia that they do WP7 now.,, Apr 22 20:08:20 Yes. Apr 22 20:08:45 since those SSU updates im rly happy again :D Apr 22 20:08:54 but last one gave me some probs. on my n900 Apr 22 20:09:27 share feedback in the proper place Badabing Apr 22 20:09:28 hi.. need your opinion.. is it easy to repair the N900's usb? found a device on ebay from a seller that says that it is broken because it's usb is broken and he can't flash.. Apr 22 20:09:50 and the device needs flashing because of a software problem.. Apr 22 20:10:01 if u can solder it, then yes i guess? Apr 22 20:10:44 if the copper traces lifted it's pretty much unrepairable Apr 22 20:10:55 :S Apr 22 20:11:14 . Apr 22 20:11:21 if just the connector came out, it's hard but repairable I'd say :P Apr 22 20:11:28 '13:02 < Badabing> HI! So when can we expext an maemo tablet;D' the answer is 2005 Apr 22 20:11:36 Surely I'm good at soldering but if it would be like ShadowJK said it will be very hard for sure.. Apr 22 20:11:50 hmm k Apr 22 20:12:00 just need to ask him how that happend.. Apr 22 20:12:13 thanks ShadowJK, Badabing Apr 22 20:12:42 if ur so good at soldering. do my RC heli. i cant fix it :D Apr 22 20:12:44 I'm not sure people can actually tell before opening up the device Apr 22 20:16:54 Badabing: you should take a look at the controller which i made for a school project :D Apr 22 20:17:27 When I finished that work I was on myself suprised how much wire I used :D Apr 22 20:18:03 (got the pictures on facebook) Apr 22 20:18:44 yeah its not my 4-in-1 controller. but thx anyway L) its only 100euro :D Apr 22 20:19:14 it only spins now... Apr 22 20:19:18 real fast:) Apr 22 20:19:52 Badabing, 4in1? esky? Apr 22 20:19:57 yeah Apr 22 20:20:02 honeybee FP2 Apr 22 20:20:28 I have one of those too :) Apr 22 20:21:04 but u have to put the wire first then connect it. maybe its broken. but 3 engines cant be all broken.. Apr 22 20:21:31 spinning is your 4in1, your P and G settings, or your tail motor (and/or) tailrotor system Apr 22 20:21:48 yeah it has no tail rotor now:D Apr 22 20:22:01 it doesn't spin at all? Apr 22 20:22:07 tailrotor Apr 22 20:22:10 one of my 1st flight :) it crashed nope Apr 22 20:23:09 but i think i wanna get a 3d one. but those are killing machines (for ur wallet:D Apr 22 20:24:03 i was hoping to maybe make some kind of remote so i can control it with my N900 Apr 22 20:24:08 like iphone also can Apr 22 20:24:23 well.. Apr 22 20:24:42 3D machines are a few factors more expensive to repair Apr 22 20:24:56 so I'd learn to fly and repair hbfpv2 first Apr 22 20:25:05 yeah only have time spent on a sim Apr 22 20:25:25 but its only that tailrotor. and its rdy to fly.. Apr 22 20:25:28 thopiekar: it's feasible, even when the copper pads for the contacts came off Apr 22 20:25:36 for iphone/n900 control you'll need a onboard autopilot :) Apr 22 20:25:42 got 4 battery a 20 euro a piece;D Apr 22 20:25:52 found at thread about that DocScrutinizer.. Apr 22 20:26:02 Badabing, so you need to solder the tailmotor wires and you'd be set? Apr 22 20:26:04 http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=54762&page=3 DocScrutinizer Apr 22 20:26:14 yeah but i tried it like 50 times.. Apr 22 20:26:28 maybe it is that 4-1 Apr 22 20:26:31 thingy Apr 22 20:26:37 do you have two paperclips? Apr 22 20:26:46 y suppose Apr 22 20:26:48 and a sharp knife Apr 22 20:26:54 short circuit it? Apr 22 20:27:01 no Apr 22 20:27:09 thopiekar: yep Apr 22 20:28:17 hope that the price on ebay will remain small then I suggest to buy it.. Apr 22 20:28:27 you bend the paperclips straight, then use knife to scrape off insulation from both ends. Then, if you bend them appropriately, you can use an AA battery as power source to apply power onto the tailmotors + and - Apr 22 20:28:31 just 23hours left and one euro on it.. Apr 22 20:28:32 :D Apr 22 20:28:52 how hard is it btw to connect a fish eye lens on my n900 Apr 22 20:29:27 Yeah, if you didn't cut power when crashing, and tail rotor was stuck, it's more likely to destroy the 4in1 than the tailmotor Apr 22 20:29:50 but those are like 30-35 euros. Apr 22 20:30:02 ya :( Apr 22 20:30:14 the grass is so long tail rotor always hits it. Apr 22 20:30:38 which is why if the motor turns when you apply power to it, the motor works Apr 22 20:30:45 but sulfic acid should do the trick also right ;d Apr 22 20:30:56 or plain alcohol Apr 22 20:31:23 and if you can also put some wires into the actual connector and test power there, and motor moves, your solderin is ok Apr 22 20:31:28 oh now i see. external power;) Apr 22 20:31:32 ill try right away :D Apr 22 20:31:50 do you have a multimeter? Apr 22 20:32:18 Personally I use a ,7 x 1.4m sheet of paper ontop of the grass as landing pad :) Apr 22 20:32:45 Or a lawnmower Apr 22 20:33:47 well the gear and help gear struts easily gets caught on uneveness in the ground too Apr 22 20:34:01 * ShadowJK had a few incidents of dynamic rollover before getting "pad" Apr 22 20:34:14 i got a 30 inch FAN ;D Apr 22 20:34:48 + 220 v motor. "but wont be flying :) Apr 22 20:37:16 how much RC's u have ? i once had this buy madness ;d Apr 22 20:37:24 Basically, the 4in1 blows if you try apply power and the rotors are obstructed from turning... Or if there's a short circuit anywhere Apr 22 20:37:31 I only have hbfpv2 Apr 22 20:37:55 i also have lama v4 and mini heli + PLANE Apr 22 20:38:15 so cool with this spy cam mounted on it Apr 22 20:38:35 I'm hoping to get some real-life ff, fff, nose-in and stuff done this season, and maybe progress to 6ch collective pitch Apr 22 20:38:41 too bad its not realstream Apr 22 20:40:31 One of the first things I practiced in the sim was to get an instinctive "oh shit, it's impossible to recover before hitting ground/house/tree, cut power"-reflex :) Apr 22 20:40:31 until u crash and spend tens of hours repairing:D Apr 22 20:42:02 Worst real-life crash so far was hitting a telephone pole. I had my n900 video filming, and when I reviewed the recording, I could hear motor shut down like .5 sec before the "clonk" sound of hitting telephone pole :) Apr 22 20:42:36 I had to change blades, flybar and main shaft after that one :) Apr 22 20:43:08 can u fly it in a suburb? thought it was illegal Apr 22 20:43:19 this is not a suburb Apr 22 20:43:51 down town paris? Apr 22 20:43:54 xD Apr 22 20:44:28 I'm in the countryside finland, which means the nearest police officer is 40km away :P Apr 22 20:45:22 it brings the boys in most men above those things. specially with nitro engines Apr 22 20:45:22 ShadowJK, what are you flying? Apr 22 20:46:13 honeybee fp2 same as mine Apr 22 20:46:54 it's a beginner's trainer heli :) Apr 22 20:47:09 yeah. but man i couldnt let it to level ;D Apr 22 20:47:27 did one circle lap then the wind crashed it. Apr 22 20:47:48 i took one of my helicopters outside once Apr 22 20:47:52 spent weeks rebuilding it Apr 22 20:48:01 Oh, interesting conversation :) Apr 22 20:48:12 yeah alot of offtopic chatter;D Apr 22 20:48:24 * X-Fade flies big electric 3D helis :) Apr 22 20:48:54 I started with hovering. Biggest mistake == flying in the wind. I had no idea when I was controlling it and when wind was controlling it. Then I got the large paper sheet landing pad. If landing pad moves, it's too windy :) Apr 22 20:48:55 electric has so much lift they say. more as nitro Apr 22 20:49:06 Logo 600SE 12S 4KW :) Apr 22 20:49:12 X-Fade, \o having a whole squad of indoor helis in a big open building would be fun thing to do Apr 22 20:49:21 but the hpfp2 should be doable with BF 3-4 Apr 22 20:49:38 Logo in Heli-X sim is just insane :) Apr 22 20:49:51 FP is annoying, that will learn you the wrong reflexes. Apr 22 20:50:06 That will certainly crash you when you fly CP. Apr 22 20:50:11 too bad hobbyking doesnt ship to netherlands anymore Apr 22 20:50:11 X-Fade, oh? Apr 22 20:50:28 for 55 euro a complete ATF heli ;D Apr 22 20:50:28 Badabing: Dude, I have 100+ orders there :) Apr 22 20:50:42 well customs are taxing it now. Apr 22 20:50:50 And I know for sure they ship to NL :) Apr 22 20:50:56 X-Fade, what reflexes go wrong? Apr 22 20:50:57 oh. :) Apr 22 20:51:09 funny u guys love these things Apr 22 20:51:14 ShadowJK: You pull down throttle. Apr 22 20:51:20 in a maemo channel:D Apr 22 20:51:38 ShadowJK: That will rocket you into the ground with 12 degrees of negative pitch on a cp heli :) Apr 22 20:51:39 Badabing, small hand held controllers :) Apr 22 20:51:45 true :) Apr 22 20:51:57 i love hacking my neighbours iphone 3 all the time:D Apr 22 20:52:13 X-Fade, heh, all winter I've been flying sim with 0 degree in centre position :) Apr 22 20:52:19 he's so stupid to have BT on all the time Apr 22 20:52:22 the first thing many people did with n900 was fly it around like an pilot Apr 22 20:52:33 * lcuk remembers lots of people whooshing and zooming with it Apr 22 20:52:58 u guys ever got neopwn installed? Apr 22 20:53:18 ShadowJK: But really FP is nothing like CP. It is only good for orientation. Apr 22 20:53:33 X-Fade, i thought many people flew with throttle/pitch curve where full down is -1 pitch 0 throttle or something like that, and then flip switch for 3D Apr 22 20:54:01 maybe I'll get a CP sooner than later then :) Apr 22 20:54:15 ShadowJK: Beginners do sometimes. But then get into trouble when the wind blows there heli upwards towards the sky :) Apr 22 20:54:32 ShadowJK: As then you can't get it back down without shutting down the engine and losing control. Apr 22 20:54:54 lol, I've had that with my fp :) Apr 22 20:54:56 RC . . . one day Apr 22 20:55:06 When I stop spending money on lenses. Apr 22 20:55:17 X-Fade, it depends if the pilot is used to souring craft too Apr 22 20:55:46 but for sure if you only have indoor experience the wind makes for odd experience Apr 22 20:55:46 lenses? Apr 22 20:55:48 lcuk: I train multiple people at my club and the things I see there ;) Apr 22 20:55:59 :) nice Apr 22 20:56:07 But I had practiced FP-in-wind in the sim before even buying heli, and pulsing throttle to keep control worked rather well in real life too :) Apr 22 20:56:10 what is that Apr 22 20:56:15 shall have to visit when I next come to NL Apr 22 20:56:24 lcuk: Sure, do come over. Apr 22 20:56:40 Btw, we have our flyingfield in Phoenix Simulator now. Apr 22 20:56:43 Very nice. Apr 22 20:56:44 X-Fade, do you fly indoors or mix? Apr 22 20:57:02 I suspect his helis are too big for indoor :) Apr 22 20:57:03 lcuk: I like more power, so I just fly all year round. Apr 22 20:57:11 i also love those jets . so cool miniature jet engine Apr 22 20:57:15 I do have a T-Rex 250 for indoor. Apr 22 20:57:48 indoor in the context of 250 means baseball stadium, right? Apr 22 20:57:53 or gymnasium Apr 22 20:57:56 yeah those are big Apr 22 20:58:26 A gym. 250 is 330gram. Apr 22 20:58:35 what should i buy from hobbyking? Apr 22 20:58:39 X-Fade, good stuff, attach n900 to it Apr 22 20:58:42 any suggestions? Apr 22 20:58:43 Badabing: Batteries :) Apr 22 20:59:03 lcuk: Not that one, way to heavy. Apr 22 20:59:09 i love the building process btw Apr 22 20:59:16 Yeah, 250 is same size as hbfpv2 then :) (but the t-rex has magnitudes more power and manouverability, of course) Apr 22 21:00:19 any of u have a nitro one? Apr 22 21:00:25 lcuk, I wouldn't put more than 50grams on my honeybee (300-ish gram heli) Apr 22 21:00:29 Nitro is so low power :) Apr 22 21:00:35 Badabing, bought a Canon 7d last year. Apr 22 21:00:37 but the sound + smell :) Apr 22 21:00:44 X-Fade, you ever flown a real one? Apr 22 21:00:59 lcuk: Fullsize heli? Apr 22 21:01:06 hk450 28 dollar ATF :D Apr 22 21:01:10 * lcuk aims to find a way to do so Apr 22 21:01:12 lolz Apr 22 21:01:12 yes X-Fade Apr 22 21:01:18 lcuk: No. Apr 22 21:01:29 lcuk: But the way I fly 3d, it will kill you :) Apr 22 21:01:36 lol Apr 22 21:01:42 yea Apr 22 21:01:49 wrong window :D Apr 22 21:01:50 lcuk: The amount of G I can pull on my heli is insane. Apr 22 21:02:02 rc helis have so much power they can escape from anything and ignore aerodynamics :D Apr 22 21:02:06 yeah superman g's :S Apr 22 21:02:11 X-Fade, it is easy to do in models Apr 22 21:02:23 X-Fade: you can't hide, you're here, so whatabout my cloak? :D Apr 22 21:02:37 afaik it is how they got flying lawn mowers and flying enterprise models Apr 22 21:02:44 future cops will have droids with them to cover more ground Apr 22 21:03:17 merlin1991: Next week, I promise :) Apr 22 21:04:35 :D Apr 22 21:04:57 lcuk, seen videos of "3d flying" helis? :-) Apr 22 21:05:21 the real size one ? Apr 22 21:05:23 xD Apr 22 21:05:43 no :) Apr 22 21:05:44 ShadowJK, yeah and in RL too, amazing control Apr 22 21:05:56 Search for: Tareq Al Saadi on youtube ;) Apr 22 21:05:56 Well, Red Bull's bo105 does loops and such Apr 22 21:05:59 lol @ tick tocks in a real heli Apr 22 21:06:11 i mean there is a realsize heli who can pull that off. Apr 22 21:06:22 Bouncing off the ground at maximum collective, inverted in ground effect = insane. Apr 22 21:06:32 Badabing, no real life one can do inverted hover, let alone tic-tocs :) Apr 22 21:06:34 http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=PP0fnyIrNEk :) Apr 22 21:06:49 ShadowJK: Apaches can loop quite well. Apr 22 21:06:54 sure Apr 22 21:06:57 and bo105 too Apr 22 21:07:00 http://www.rcgroups.com/forums/showthread.php?t=768591 Apr 22 21:07:04 ShadowJK: But not much more :) Apr 22 21:07:11 but no backwards flying:D Apr 22 21:07:19 And at some point Red Bull were thinking about modifying their bo105 so that it could do inverted hover Apr 22 21:07:47 gives u wings:D so appropiate Apr 22 21:08:15 my favourite tareq al saadi video: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RwHt6LyVBxQ Apr 22 21:08:21 those blades on real helis are also CP? Apr 22 21:08:26 i have no clue Apr 22 21:08:41 flies it until it breaks down, then does a perfect landing with broken damaged heli, green grass splatter on the blades :) Apr 22 21:08:44 Yes they are CP Apr 22 21:08:56 ShadowJK: I like the Protos one with the palm trees at night :) Apr 22 21:09:18 But if you tried to do negative G in a Robinson, the blades will chop off your tailboom Apr 22 21:09:36 Anyway, I've seen Tareq fly live and it was impressive :) Apr 22 21:10:25 :) Apr 22 21:10:40 They call him Neo :) Apr 22 21:10:55 * GAN900 needs to fire up X-Plane again. Apr 22 21:10:57 I can understand why :) Apr 22 21:11:17 best real-life real helicopter performance I've seen on youtube: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=tDnM05HeeE4 Apr 22 21:12:07 They should call him Jobe. Apr 22 21:12:15 Though that's probably too obscure. Apr 22 21:13:42 man it looks like it could break in 1000x pieces every minute Apr 22 21:14:09 Crashes aren't that bad. Apr 22 21:14:22 bo105 (red bull) is a beast. The rotor system is so rigid, the noise it creates is so loud that it's actually forbidden to hover it in urban areas :-) Apr 22 21:14:47 and airwolf:D Apr 22 21:14:59 ShadowJK: We have a lot of chinooks here. You don't want to have that over your house either :) Apr 22 21:15:02 with 2 jet engines could give it the thrust it needs; Apr 22 21:16:53 700 electric with carbon blades... could pretty much make minced meat out of a person, right? Apr 22 21:17:10 ShadowJK: For sure. Apr 22 21:18:05 ShadowJK: >6KW at 2100 RPM or so. 1.6m wingspan. Apr 22 21:18:30 * SpeedEvil1 wishes he had got the funds to make his hoverboard. Apr 22 21:18:31 * Arkenoi plays with nook. damn, android sucks big time. Apr 22 21:18:47 ~200KW@1.8m diameter, 45000RPM Apr 22 21:19:01 (multiple thrusters) Apr 22 21:21:01 Arkenoi, yes. Apr 22 21:21:44 I suspect it might be louder than the bo105. :) Apr 22 21:22:39 well.. high pitched for sure :) Apr 22 21:23:18 and your thrusters are probably plastic? Apr 22 21:23:23 yes. Apr 22 21:23:51 30Kg of 40C lithiums, 100 thrusters, and an insane person. Apr 22 21:24:01 The flex in the plastic will reduce noise levels :) Apr 22 21:24:05 Can do ~2G at emergency thrust. Apr 22 21:24:19 pic? what is it Apr 22 21:24:19 Compared to the titanium blades of bo105 which just beat the air into submission Apr 22 21:24:26 And get up to around 5Km (if you have a parachute) Apr 22 21:24:41 Badabing: I haven't built it owing to thre lack of $60000 Apr 22 21:24:43 45k rpm? Apr 22 21:24:44 (or so) Apr 22 21:24:45 sick Apr 22 21:25:09 would have needed liquid nitrogen to cool ? Apr 22 21:25:53 Just airflow. Rather a lot of airflow Apr 22 21:27:53 http://www.dealextreme.com/p/68mm-electric-duct-fan-3900kv-motor-silver-black-58159 - basically something like a hundred of these. Apr 22 21:29:35 * ShadowJK finds the video of tareq battling the palm trees: awesome Apr 22 21:29:36 ! Apr 22 21:39:10 http://www.videocorner.tv/videocorner2/live_flv/index.php?langue=en Arianne launch Apr 22 21:39:14 (in a few seconds) Apr 22 21:39:42 cya guys. have fun with the RC's :D Apr 22 21:40:34 * ShadowJK fires up HELI-X to answer the question of how well one can fly after 5 beers Apr 22 21:45:32 X-Fade, have you tried the parrot ar software on n900 ? Apr 22 21:45:51 lcuk: No, only on ipad. Apr 22 21:46:11 With direct control of course not that fake controls :) Apr 22 21:46:41 what do you mean fake controls? Apr 22 21:47:04 Well, you can let it do things automatically. Apr 22 21:47:21 But the direct flight mode is more interesting for me :) Apr 22 21:47:22 ahh autopilot Apr 22 21:51:47 hello Apr 22 21:51:56 anybody reading? Apr 22 21:52:16 no Apr 22 21:52:48 heya Apr 22 21:55:18 i´m having trouble with ifup usb0 Apr 22 21:55:43 is this the local support channel, or could someone point me to it? Apr 22 22:00:20 it's international channel Apr 22 22:00:31 Why are you trying to ifup usb0 Apr 22 22:01:37 trying to use the n900 as a wifi dongle Apr 22 22:02:26 I try ifup-ing, but I get an avahi-daemon error, stating diff is not available. Apr 22 22:04:06 so install it? Apr 22 22:04:17 that's on the pc not the n900 correct? Apr 22 22:04:31 no, on the n900 Apr 22 22:04:34 oh Apr 22 22:04:57 ifup on the wifi interface? Apr 22 22:05:04 diff is part of busybox, but appearently it was decided to cut it out for some reason Apr 22 22:05:17 * nox- kinda doubts ifup would work for that... Apr 22 22:05:52 no, on the usb interface, so I can plug the device to the computer, and tether wifi to the computer thru the n900 Apr 22 22:06:40 hmmm, getting rid of avahi did it, though Apr 22 22:06:50 brb, setting a connection up Apr 22 22:39:47 goooooood mooooorning viet.... damn.... #maemo... Apr 22 23:00:00 chem|st, good morning to you too Apr 22 23:30:57 Have you guys done anything to improve the network security of your n900? Apr 22 23:31:24 i generated the wpa2 password from /dev/random... Apr 22 23:31:37 what about when over 3G? Apr 22 23:31:54 nox-: (though what you did is kinda sexy) Apr 22 23:32:13 if you mean did i configure iptables, no Apr 22 23:33:02 ok i do use ssh to talk to computers... Apr 22 23:33:10 to mine Apr 22 23:33:37 internetishard: I keep mine in a locked shielded safe, buried in concrete 200m underground. Apr 22 23:33:58 You must be suffocating, then, because I don't see you doing a day without your n9000 Apr 22 23:34:15 (yes, SpeedEvil has an n9000, the rest of us have a n900) Apr 22 23:34:49 internetishard, i think most 3g operators put you behind nat too Apr 22 23:34:54 IRL - I use SSH - and that's it. Apr 22 23:36:08 Web security is mostly unimportant, as I've subscribed to a service that pays me to disclose everything I do on the n900 including visited URLs Apr 22 23:36:51 you are that interesting? ;) Apr 22 23:37:31 It's a usage survey Apr 22 23:37:40 i c Apr 22 23:40:12 need a chicken-attack animation Apr 22 23:40:40 security != privacy Apr 22 23:41:03 SpeedEvil: iphone does that and you don't even get paid for it Apr 22 23:41:29 :) Apr 22 23:41:36 hehe Apr 22 23:41:37 jacekowski: yes, I know. Apr 22 23:42:04 jacekowski: I'm assuming that microb doesn't have vulns in it - or the other apps I've installed. Apr 22 23:42:24 It's possible that mbarcode is warching me right now, but I doubt it. Apr 23 00:01:18 flash is kinda guaranteed to have holes... :P Apr 23 00:01:37 just few ppl would target arm flash yet maybe Apr 23 00:06:19 I only watch flash generally on two sites Apr 23 00:06:20 So... Apr 23 00:08:51 yeah the problem is more with `random' links that might contain flash Apr 23 00:09:15 on a pc i use noscript bc of this but on the phone... Apr 23 00:09:34 I visit very few wierd websites. Apr 23 00:09:50 *nod* Apr 23 00:09:55 omg Apr 23 00:09:56 The met-office norway, my local governmental sites, transport info sites Apr 23 00:10:15 how can this thread still be in the forums? http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72418 Apr 23 00:10:22 (as in, not deleted) Apr 23 00:10:26 you live in Norway? Apr 23 00:11:00 No. Apr 23 00:11:06 oh Apr 23 00:11:09 I've a possible job there Apr 23 00:11:21 http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/hour_by_hour.html Apr 23 00:11:31 Wackily enough, it gives the best forecasts I've found Apr 23 00:12:34 Not to mention http://www.yr.no/place/United_Kingdom/Scotland/Glenrothes/varsel.xml Apr 23 00:42:42 haaahahaha Ghaddafi had nothing but good things to say about obama - who was still selling him arms this february http://www.lewrockwell.com/blog/lewrw/archives/86149.html Apr 23 02:05:34 * GeneralAntilles barfs at Elop's twitter. **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sat Apr 23 02:59:57 2011