**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Sat Apr 23 02:59:57 2011 Apr 23 05:03:36 new pic of N900 client: http://j.mp/gx5QDc \o/ Apr 23 05:04:35 what is that Apr 23 05:04:37 nethack? Apr 23 05:05:16 newp, daimonin Apr 23 05:05:30 but it's roguelike, just online Apr 23 05:05:36 how do i try it Apr 23 05:05:41 been working on the UI for a month Apr 23 05:05:46 apply to become a tester :D Apr 23 05:06:05 let me know when you have some time to learn the game - it's almost all keyboard based Apr 23 05:06:43 i can only use people who can test for a few hours and give feedback *after* learning how to play it Apr 23 05:20:15 quite night Apr 23 05:20:22 quiet* Apr 23 05:22:09 Hm, DocS, got a problem: I have a USB drive. Ran fsck on it, it gave me "There are differences between boot sector and its backup.", and a whole list of differences. I picked "set original to backup", which was the /wrong/ option. Apr 23 05:22:59 Do you know of a good way to repair a sector based on a list of CSV "decimal offset:hex-byte" combinations? Apr 23 05:23:33 I assume it's going to be something on the order of using DD to make a sector copy, then work from there... Apr 23 05:33:49 wonder how to set the keyboard layout to en/uk Apr 23 06:44:40 hmm, a proxy to compress gprs traffic http://toonel.net/ Apr 23 06:50:22 how do install cssu on my stock n900? Apr 23 06:51:28 talk.maemo.org should have a thread Apr 23 06:55:55 pupnik_, have you installed it? Apr 23 06:57:29 yes, don't remember how Apr 23 07:00:06 is the install like an upgrade or it is a migration? Apr 23 08:40:01 robbiethe1st: good plan. Or use hexedit on the raw device (you *need* knowledge about the filesystem then) - not all hexedits can do this Apr 23 08:40:29 google diskedit Apr 23 08:41:05 Yea. Actually, I managed to get it working; took my copied sector, wrote a little script to handle character replacements with the new values, ran it, and put the fixed sector back... and it /worked/. Apr 23 08:41:59 (Well, second try. I first copied/fixed the drive sector 0 instead, which left me a broken partition table. Restored that, then got partition sector 0 instead. which worked.) Apr 23 08:42:06 Yea Apr 23 08:56:22 robbiethe1st: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Disk_editor#Linux Apr 23 08:57:19 http://rigaux.org/hexedit.html Apr 23 08:58:01 Thanks; next time I need it Apr 23 09:08:56 oh, how I *HATE* docpurge Apr 23 09:10:36 hexedit on N900 useless due to missing manpage (though I *have* mandb-n900) Apr 23 09:27:13 man docpurge :) Apr 23 09:34:12 hey everyone. I created an extra ext3 partition on my n900 builtin mmc card. I want this automounted, so I added ext3 to /usr/sbin/osso-mmc-mount, but then I still wonder how this script is called durin boot because the mountpoint is passed to this script as an argument. Apr 23 09:35:19 Uh, not sure Apr 23 09:35:52 DocScrutinizer:Any idea about this? Apr 23 09:36:03 I may have found it on http://wiki.maemo.org/Ext2_on_microSD_card Apr 23 09:36:24 i need to also edit /usr/bin/mmc-mount Apr 23 09:36:39 SmokeyD: hint: i commented all this nokiaisms out and made a fstab which now doesnt get overwritten Apr 23 09:38:13 cehteh: we'd like to know who invented that cruft and why Apr 23 09:38:20 :-S Apr 23 09:38:35 yeah .. and why it is *that* broken Apr 23 09:38:51 its based on a lot of false assumptions Apr 23 09:38:59 obviously Apr 23 09:39:27 why the hell do they autogenerate a fstab when they expect some very specific partitioning Apr 23 09:39:52 if it would be truely generic then i may even like it .. but this way .. nogo Apr 23 09:40:06 ack Apr 23 09:40:13 braindamaged Apr 23 09:41:13 apropos .. is there any chance to get it fixed in the cssu? .. if yes then i may actually review this and improve the nokia scripts .. but just for myself there is no benefit over just commenting it out Apr 23 09:41:22 MohammadAG: what do you think? Apr 23 09:43:31 I'd think if we can fix it in a compatible 'seamless' way, it is well worth doing it Apr 23 09:44:54 also updating sudo to a recent version that supports include-dir, and kick that insane update-sudoers Apr 23 09:45:50 this daemon which does the mounting/unmounting is closed? Apr 23 09:46:08 forgot the mame dsme? Apr 23 09:46:53 well .. cant udev be used for that? Apr 23 09:47:52 ke-recv Apr 23 09:47:54 ? Apr 23 09:47:58 i dont know if removing the back cover generates a kernel event, if not them one could prolly add a userspace daemon which feeds a event into the kernel Apr 23 09:48:01 dunno maybe Apr 23 09:48:34 actually i am n900 user not programmer, after it works reasonable for me now i rarely tweaking it Apr 23 09:48:50 removing/closing backcover *does* create a kevent. ke-recv is working on that Apr 23 09:48:54 and maybe you noticed i am busy past months, building a kitchen :) Apr 23 09:49:12 will it have robots? =) Apr 23 09:49:37 i was thinking about a kitchen computer :) Apr 23 09:49:53 some tablet or netbook in a front Apr 23 09:49:56 with Meego! Apr 23 09:50:11 prolly then just debian .. Apr 23 09:50:34 I think udev should be able to work like that as well Apr 23 09:50:35 and later maybe some home automation Apr 23 09:50:56 sure if it creates a kernel event then kernel/udev can do it all on itself Apr 23 09:51:15 nokia just cried NIH and did it in their own ways Apr 23 09:51:23 yup Apr 23 09:51:38 called ke-recv which afaik is closed :-P Apr 23 09:51:43 bme as well Apr 23 09:51:47 (NIH) Apr 23 09:51:58 National Institute of Health? Apr 23 09:52:07 do you know what else ke-recv does? Apr 23 09:52:14 RST38h: Not Invented Here Apr 23 09:52:30 Ah Apr 23 09:54:42 http://www.christeck.de/wp/ ... christoph has monav running on his n900 but doesnt want to package it Apr 23 09:54:47 anyone up for that? Apr 23 09:55:16 vector maps, local routing with an incredible fast algorithm Apr 23 09:55:40 "Sitting on a hill just 28 miles from the damaged Fukushima Daiichi nuclear power plant is one of Japans most peculiar and popular tourist destinations." Apr 23 09:57:27 ah meanwhile he has packaged monav Apr 23 09:58:03 but not pushing it to devel .. Apr 23 09:58:08 (extras) Apr 23 09:58:37 cehteh: ke-recv fist of all manages mass-storage-mode Apr 23 09:58:44 first* Apr 23 09:59:55 IroN900:~# ke-recv-test Apr 23 09:59:57 Usage: ke-recv-test [/dev/mmcblk(1|0)] Apr 23 09:59:58 cb - close battery cover signal Apr 23 09:59:59 ... Apr 23 10:01:01 well i wonder if it does anything else Apr 23 10:01:29 see the omitted lines of help output of ke-recv Apr 23 10:01:31 dogfeeding a watchdog or so ... you know, they certainly fucked it up in some way Apr 23 10:01:55 umm, strace it ;-D Apr 23 10:02:02 another day Apr 23 10:12:54 cool .. just deleting little cruft gave me 10GB space free :P Apr 23 10:24:31 123700K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 3% 82.2K 8h32m Apr 23 10:24:37 ugh :) Apr 23 10:27:07 sounds like download from maemo Apr 23 10:27:28 59% of 349MB 3h38m Apr 23 10:28:22 damn, what r u doin? Apr 23 10:34:28 hi! i want to do a software update (apt-get update; apt-get upgrade) from python. is that possible? Apr 23 10:35:44 needs root, in some way thats possible for sure Apr 23 10:36:09 why do you want that .. users may disagree with that practice Apr 23 10:36:39 DocScrutinizer: monav maps 3.something GB from osm Apr 23 10:38:29 cehteh: we are using N900 as on-board-devices for carsharing. when an app update becomes available, we always have to upgrade to the latest PySide-version. Apr 23 10:39:41 cetheh: in our app we want to offer an upgrade-button. clicking that button shall first upgrade the system and then the carsharing application. Apr 23 10:40:00 ok Apr 23 10:42:01 dominikb: careless apt-get upgrade may cause system breaks Apr 23 10:43:08 DocScrutinizer: when the upgrade is interrupted? Apr 23 10:43:42 no, when there are incompatible/borked updates for packages that aren't available via HAM Apr 23 10:43:55 aiui Apr 23 10:44:01 still? Apr 23 10:44:06 dunno Apr 23 10:44:11 never tested it Apr 23 10:44:21 still the rumour lives on Apr 23 10:44:24 i thought thats fixed meanwhile, but not sure Apr 23 10:44:41 anyways you prolly just download your deb and install it with dpkg Apr 23 10:45:14 and leave system updates to the user .. maybe start HAM or fapman (does it provide some commandline options for proper actions?) Apr 23 10:45:31 yeah, if it RDEPENDS on some new lib version or whatever, it should pull that anyway Apr 23 10:45:37 * cehteh almost always using fapman .. ham is so ugly Apr 23 10:45:54 fapman has similar issues Apr 23 10:46:17 dunno .. works for me without a glitch Apr 23 10:46:54 i was thinking that fapman knows how to do things right Apr 23 10:47:00 no 4 weeks ago we had several reports here of fapman failing and thus messing up system. Depending on a few system related pkgs afaik Apr 23 10:47:08 outch Apr 23 10:47:41 ham is unusable when you have testing devel and other repos enabled Apr 23 10:47:51 never looked into it as I found fapman unusable after 10min testing it Apr 23 10:48:05 i dont have the patiene to wait 2 minutes for each button click Apr 23 10:48:09 ack, slow as molasses Apr 23 10:48:25 fapman works really nice for me, i never had an issue Apr 23 10:48:38 ymmv Apr 23 10:49:26 yeah, as long as there are no unmet dependencies that don't show up *because* fapman does _not_ update the repo db after each install... ;-D Apr 23 10:50:14 DocScrutinizer: ok, upgrading PySide should be sufficient. Apr 23 10:50:43 apt-get upgrade a sinhle package should be safe Apr 23 10:53:45 the carsharing app runs as user. how can i run the upgrade as root? 'sudo gainroot' leaves me with a shell. Apr 23 10:53:59 man sudoers Apr 23 10:54:15 add the apt-get cmd to etc/sudoers.d/* Apr 23 10:54:47 mhm monav segfaults .. grr Apr 23 10:54:54 don't forget to run friggin update-sudoers script after that Apr 23 10:55:34 DocScrutinizer, cehteh: thanks! Apr 23 10:55:39 yw Apr 23 11:04:11 hello, is there a way to make photo scrolling abit faster? its laggy abit. ive tried to filter the photos. that helps but i have to do it every time Apr 23 11:05:10 cehteh: btw you ever noticed how nice HAM can be when invoked by backup-app restore ? Apr 23 11:05:21 yes Apr 23 11:06:06 and now imagine the n900 would have take off like the iphone and not a niche product. .. and 10k apps in the store .. Apr 23 11:06:30 I considered to provide some 'backup archive' app metapackages to 'restore' to your system Apr 23 11:07:11 * cehteh is meanwhile at a "never touch a running system" state with the n900 .. except normal upgrades Apr 23 11:07:16 first metapkg: ALL Apr 23 11:07:50 mhm, me too. Except for friggin CSSU Apr 23 11:08:05 ah rebooting .. monav starting up .. prolly its daemon wasnt running or something like that Apr 23 11:08:15 cehteh: BackupMenu is your friend. Apr 23 11:08:56 robbiethe1st: does it work 100% reliable? .. i was reclutant to install it :) Apr 23 11:09:03 Ask DocS Apr 23 11:09:13 hehe Apr 23 11:09:28 i dont want to flash my device anytime soon Apr 23 11:09:36 cehteh: backup works like a charm. Not yet tested restore thoroughly, but sounds like little could break on that Apr 23 11:10:05 It's 99% reliable; generally, if you can get it running, it will do it's thing correctly. If you've gotten things screwy, it may not start, though(say replacing busybox with Bash, or busybox tar with GNU tar on the optfs) Apr 23 11:10:27 DocScrutinizer: what does it do with the bootloader? i have the power kernel installed but nothin else Apr 23 11:10:42 and i am good in finding 1% cornercases :P Apr 23 11:10:46 kernel/BL unhandled Apr 23 11:10:47 if i compare the scrolling of iphone 4 through over 120 photos, it would make me wonder why would n900 lag on much less quantity Apr 23 11:11:19 compengi: Poorly written application, I think Apr 23 11:11:39 427450K .......... .......... .......... .......... .......... 10% 60.5K 8h54m Apr 23 11:11:42 .. Apr 23 11:11:42 tracker/dbus Apr 23 11:12:25 robbiethe1st, very sad :/ Apr 23 11:12:49 look at dbus-monitor when starting/using galery Apr 23 11:12:55 compengi: There are other, replacement applications Apr 23 11:13:03 it's so OUCH Apr 23 11:13:37 I think they pipe MB thru dbus Apr 23 11:14:14 robbiethe1st, which ones Apr 23 11:14:20 same for mediaplayer btw Apr 23 11:14:45 Quiver, Mirage I think... Apr 23 11:14:57 according to google Apr 23 11:15:00 sorry Apr 23 11:15:10 o/ Apr 23 11:15:15 out for RL Apr 23 11:15:59 One option is to use the browser: just go to file:///home/user/MyDocs/ Apr 23 11:16:09 works for scrolling Apr 23 11:16:32 cehteh: (backup-menu) recover is like >>flash new clean system, install backup-menu, restore<< Apr 23 11:17:07 yeah :-D Apr 23 11:17:38 microb is the better filemanager/galery/pdf-reader et all ;-D Apr 23 11:18:09 I may have to just sit down and write an image-viewer with PyQt; seems like it'd be useful Apr 23 11:18:32 I'm surprised there aren't a dozen or so already Apr 23 11:19:16 galery is brainfsckd anyway, no concept to separate pr0n from family snapshots Apr 23 11:19:44 terrible flaw Apr 23 11:20:21 robbiethe1st, ok ill check it out Apr 23 11:20:48 DocScrutinizer: Oh, yes. Definitely. And photos + album art is almost as bafd Apr 23 11:20:50 taking snapshot of my workbench with project, I end on showing my boss the snapshot of me in the mud pit Apr 23 11:22:19 even way worse than the missing sub-addrbooks in contacts Apr 23 11:24:38 <_< I don't know what's worse: Not finding much in the way of people with an image-viewer, or finding /my own topic/ from many months ago asking about how to make one. Apr 23 11:24:59 funny enough you got sub-calendars, but they missed to keep that concept for pictures/contacts/conversations/bla/blup Apr 23 11:29:23 if I were to design the arch for such a system, I'd go for decent multiuser from very beginning, with xdm and all. Then ahve one standard or shared user account that'S accessable from every user account, plus the strictly private media/contacts/whatever for user "business", user "private", user "fuckoff-that's-XXX"... Apr 23 11:30:59 have an option on each single contact to mv it to/from shared default user Apr 23 11:31:04 Ahhh...Summer.Day 1 Apr 23 11:31:13 Doc: What system are you talking about? Apr 23 11:31:21 the ideal maemo Apr 23 11:31:43 Ah, that... Yea, no good reason to disable multiuser. Apr 23 11:34:21 you might want a tag on each contact, to decide whether the contact gets resolved to plain name on inbound calls, even if the user isn't logged in Apr 23 11:35:04 configure mail to always poll or just while user logged in... etc Apr 23 11:35:43 of course have switch user option, without prior logout Apr 23 11:36:11 I.E. open another X session for user private Apr 23 11:36:21 switch between sessions Apr 23 11:36:45 well, a pretty "normal" unix system :-D Apr 23 11:38:53 offer cryptfs OOTB Apr 23 11:39:27 as an option of course Apr 23 11:40:06 this maemo (and meego?) concept is so... "back to win95" Apr 23 11:40:07 more battery drain Apr 23 11:40:37 Yes, custom application menus appeared even earlier though Apr 23 11:40:42 or should I say "back to winCE"? Apr 23 11:43:23 OpenEmbedded (or, like I call it, linux for microwaves) is master of that discipline. They kicked out basically *everything*, even /etc/passwd and xterm, and now reinvent thew wheel since years Apr 23 11:44:24 and I guess OE based distros like OM/SHR still are running everything as root Apr 23 11:44:43 :-/ Apr 23 11:45:38 Android, Doc. Remember of Android. Apr 23 11:45:52 what's that? ;-D Apr 23 11:50:03 It is what is going to kill all your little endevaours into mobile linux distros Apr 23 12:03:27 hello all Apr 23 12:03:34 hey wazd Apr 23 13:03:22 wazd hey Apr 23 13:04:24 OpenEmbedded (or, like I call it, linux for microwaves) is master of that discipline. They kicked out basically *everything*, even /etc/passwd and xterm, and now reinvent thew wheel since years // man they don't get we want linux phone and not just phone based on linux =( Apr 23 13:04:41 it's like to buy sport car with automatic =) Apr 23 13:06:20 Jaffa, ping Apr 23 13:06:43 DocScrutinizer, who is the guys behind mwkn except Jaffa ? Apr 23 13:06:58 GAN900? dunno Apr 23 13:07:16 RST38h wazd http://habrahabr.ru/company/kebrum/blog/117781/ Apr 23 13:07:28 DocScrutinizer http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xcn9Id3hetc Apr 23 13:09:57 Morning. Apr 23 13:10:39 billmania borning Apr 23 13:10:41 If someone were silly enough to execute "apt-get dist-upgrade" on an N900, how would he recover from that? ;-) Apr 23 13:11:20 billmania what is problem? do you have CSSU? Apr 23 13:11:57 ZogG: I executed "apt-get dist-upgrade" on my N900. The phone appears to have crashed and now will not boot. Apr 23 13:12:10 I don't believe I have CSSU, but I'm also not sure what CSSU is. Apr 23 13:12:59 billmania did you back up? Apr 23 13:13:12 cause i have baaad news for you Apr 23 13:13:15 ~flash Apr 23 13:13:15 i heard flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 23 13:13:31 No, but I don't have any data on the N900 which I don't want to lose. Apr 23 13:13:41 ZogG: My contacts were saved to the SIM. Apr 23 13:13:47 Everything else can be wiped. Apr 23 13:14:41 billmania than flash it Apr 23 13:14:47 how does it wouldn't boot btw? Apr 23 13:15:20 ZogG: I'm not sure yet why it won't boot. I have the N900 connected to the mains charger, in case the battery was completely depleted. Apr 23 13:16:01 ZogG: What is kebrum and who needs it? Apr 23 13:16:25 RST38h i dunno Apr 23 13:16:57 RST38h, but i like the idea of new things on maemo and acctually somebody developing on it and they are not from TM Apr 23 13:16:59 TMO Apr 23 13:17:06 Has to be useful. Apr 23 13:18:01 https://kebrum.com/ Apr 23 13:18:05 RST38h ^ Apr 23 13:19:39 i.e. they suggest you route all your internet traffic through them? Apr 23 13:19:42 how convenient! Apr 23 13:20:12 it's like VPN Apr 23 13:21:01 ZogG: With the mains charger connected, the amber lamp in the lower left corner flashes once, the dim NOKIA banner displays on the screen for a few seconds, then disappears. After one or two seconds, that sequence repeats, continuously. Apr 23 13:21:40 congratulations, you have got a brick. Apr 23 13:22:19 RST38h: An unrecoverable brick, or a brick which requires a flash of the firmware? Apr 23 13:23:19 try the flash first Apr 23 13:23:36 another idea: let it stay on the power supply for 30 minutes, see what changes Apr 23 13:25:03 RST38h: Agreed. I suspect part of the problem was caused by the battery being completely drained during the "dist-upgrade". I'll give it at least 30 minutes to charge, while I setup for the firmware flash, as suggested by ZogG at http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware#Linux Apr 23 13:25:11 no, don't do this! it'll deplete battery and then you're in a real pinch Apr 23 13:25:38 billmania do you have other nokia phone? Apr 23 13:25:45 dist-upgrade should not have killed it entirely Apr 23 13:25:53 billmania, try to charge battery with other device Apr 23 13:25:56 so,maybe the battery charging will work Apr 23 13:25:57 nah, just ruined rootfs Apr 23 13:26:06 reflash as long as battery allows Apr 23 13:26:07 ^ Apr 23 13:26:25 RST38h: you might know this - is there a hack for a program to switch keyboard layout of n900 to en/us/uk for consistent mapping? Apr 23 13:26:28 no RST38h - battery charging doesn't work on bootloop Apr 23 13:26:32 how about 1) remove battery 2) wait 5 mins 3) insert battery 4) plug in and charge for 30 mins Apr 23 13:26:38 Doc: :( Apr 23 13:26:49 pupnik: explain Apr 23 13:27:42 pupnik: if you want the physical kbd switch to work, then setting up 2nd layout to cyrillic and modifying the layout files is your only choice Apr 23 13:27:44 pupnik_ there is script to have separete languge (3rd) byt custom shorkeyss - check it out maybe it would help Apr 23 13:27:52 one matan i think did - the hebrew one Apr 23 13:28:07 hebrew also uses modified russian kbd Apr 23 13:28:31 i want one button to generate the same SDLK_ code in all layouts Apr 23 13:28:43 ah Apr 23 13:28:53 Sorry, can't say much about SDL Apr 23 13:29:05 remove battery for 10s, then after inserting it hold 'u' while plugging device to PC via USB. If NOKIA screen with USB icon stays, reflash immediately (or remove battery to keep the charge for next try). If NOKIA screen does NOT stay, you got a problem Apr 23 13:29:09 well switching the X layout on program start to en/us would o it Apr 23 13:29:55 billmania: ^^^ Apr 23 13:31:53 DocScrutinizer: Please repeat your "u" suggestion. My IRC client crashed. Apr 23 13:32:02 remove battery for 10s, then after inserting it hold 'u' while plugging device to PC via USB. If NOKIA screen with USB icon stays, reflash immediately (or remove battery to keep the charge for next try). If NOKIA screen does NOT stay, you got a problem Apr 23 13:32:37 DocScrutinizer: Got it, thanks. Giving it a try ... Apr 23 13:33:09 DocScrutinizer: Even though the mains charger is connected, the battery is not being charged at the moment? Apr 23 13:33:25 yes Apr 23 13:33:39 bootloops IScharge battery rapidly Apr 23 13:33:45 DIS* Apr 23 13:34:40 you're getting charge only when yellow LED is flashing (lock screen for seeing that) Apr 23 13:34:57 I removed the battery, while I setup to flash the firmware. Apr 23 13:35:32 charging is depending on bme getting started in system bootup. Usually a bootlooping system not even reaches that state Apr 23 13:36:17 so it's running from battery despite charger connected Apr 23 13:37:11 half an hour of bootlooping most likely will completely drain your battery, and that's a state where you can't flash anymore, and so can't make the device charge anymore Apr 23 13:37:38 Understood. Battery is now removed, so it's neither charging nor being further discharged. Apr 23 13:37:40 -->deadlock. Get charged battery *somehow* Apr 23 13:37:51 yep Apr 23 13:37:52 good Apr 23 13:38:41 prepare flashing, then insert battery, hold 'u', plug in device, fire flasher cmd Apr 23 13:38:53 DocScrutinizer: Roger. Apr 23 13:39:06 who's flashing? :D Apr 23 13:41:22 Cor-Ai: I'm trying to. Apr 23 13:41:50 Retrieving http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2.002_PR_COMBINED_002_ARM.bin now. Apr 23 13:47:51 DocScrutinizer: I'm learning as I go. Does the dim NOKIA banner and the single flash of the amber lamp indicate that the N900 is waiting for the flasher, because it can't otherwise find a bootable OS? Apr 23 13:49:44 I'm guessing this also means that the N900 continues to draw from the battery, even when in the "OFF" state? Apr 23 13:52:28 if it didn't find a bootable os it'd more likely just end up in a reboot loop Apr 23 13:52:29 the dim NOKIA screen with USB icon indicates it eneterd flashing mode Apr 23 13:52:58 and yes, it draws battery power in that state Apr 23 13:53:13 OK. Here we go. Firmware image retrieved and checksum verified. Apr 23 13:53:54 NOKIA screen, dim or not, without USB icon means the dives tries normal boot and eventually will bootloop or come up with proper system Apr 23 13:54:19 s/dives/device/ Apr 23 13:54:19 DocScrutinizer meant: NOKIA screen, dim or not, without USB icon means the device tries normal boot and eventually will bootloop or come up with proper system Apr 23 13:54:39 either case it doesn't charge Apr 23 13:54:43 Seems to be working. Currently "Erasing CMT". Apr 23 13:54:48 cool Apr 23 13:55:15 unplug from USB for next boot Apr 23 13:55:45 Appears to be booting now. Apr 23 14:02:50 Looks like I again have a bootable N900. Thanks for the help, DocScrutinizer, ShadowJK, ZogG, RST38h. Apr 23 14:03:02 yw Apr 23 14:03:09 I'll wait for it to achieve full charge and then re-install the SIM. Apr 23 14:03:38 billmania \o/ Apr 23 14:13:41 billmania: then install the CSSU! Apr 23 14:14:09 kerio: Tell me more about CSSU. Will it promote world peace? Regrow hair? Apr 23 14:14:20 yes Apr 23 14:14:28 and it'll update your n900 Apr 23 14:15:17 kerio: Where do I read all about CSSU? Apr 23 14:15:30 ~cssu Apr 23 14:15:31 hmm... cssu is http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU Apr 23 14:15:38 ~botsnack Apr 23 14:15:38 aw, gee, kerio Apr 23 14:16:21 What actually started this whole update business this morning was a search for a Python plotting library for the N900. I'm writing an application for the N900. Apr 23 14:16:32 kerio: Looking now. Apr 23 14:17:18 What about doing it in thebrowser - Openlayers is designed for this sort of stuff. It can overlay a list of python locations on many different maps. Apr 23 14:17:55 billmania: like matplotlib? Apr 23 14:18:10 SpeedEvil: My application will receive a continuous stream of timestamped data and then plot it. Apr 23 14:18:25 kerio: Exactly. I was looking for matplotlib for PyMaemo and the N900. Apr 23 14:18:57 kerio: Is matplotlib available for the N900? Apr 23 14:19:05 Hm Apr 23 14:19:36 Per default, easy debian mounts a chroot in a loopback device, in a .img Apr 23 14:19:42 That's pretty slow Apr 23 14:19:59 Is it possible to partition my SD card for easy debian to use it? Apr 23 14:20:23 Then I would get more space as well Apr 23 14:22:39 certainly Apr 23 14:23:26 but the real question is whether the easy-debian scripts support such a thing, and if not, if you're able and have the skill to do it yourself Apr 23 14:48:28 kerio: Is matplotlib or an equivalent available for the N900? Apr 23 14:50:59 anyone know what the deal is with mappero and voice announcements? Apr 23 14:50:59 mine's still using interlingua, even though i made an en_GB folder and put the en_US notifications in there Apr 23 14:54:20 I get none at all and I have no idea why :D Apr 23 14:55:20 you have to turn them on in the mappero settings Apr 23 14:55:38 and it uses the language your phone's locale is set to Apr 23 14:56:16 unfortunately if your current locale has no language files, it falls back to interlingua instead of the more logical choice of using English Apr 23 15:03:20 pffff :-S Apr 23 15:05:55 kerio: Found it: python-matplotlib. Thanks for the nudge. Apr 23 15:09:14 hm I did enable it in the settings, but I don't even get interlungua Apr 23 15:10:28 weird Apr 23 15:38:41 afternoon Apr 23 15:53:51 merlin1991: are you driving around? Apr 23 15:54:48 check the speed etc settings Apr 23 15:55:00 ok guy i just got myself a new n900 what can i do Apr 23 15:55:18 weed37: eh? Apr 23 15:55:40 i heard i can get free apps Apr 23 15:55:45 and suck Apr 23 15:55:56 weed37: Are you sure you didn't buy an Android phone? Apr 23 15:55:57 and also make the device run better by rooting it Apr 23 15:56:12 no way Apr 23 15:56:15 I hear that's why people buy Androids: all the "apps". :-D Apr 23 15:56:21 lol Apr 23 15:56:25 ok cool Apr 23 15:56:48 N900 is impossible to "root" Apr 23 15:56:57 right Apr 23 16:16:45 hi all, say when a new event is added, does this shows in dbus? Apr 23 16:18:27 event as in calendar? prolly no Apr 23 16:19:09 ou know about dbus-monitor (--system) ? Apr 23 17:00:43 sup Apr 23 17:00:57 Does wget work in the autobuilder? Apr 23 18:21:48 DocScrutinizer, me, Jaffa, and sometimes timsamoff and crashanddie. Apr 23 18:23:49 hello is it possible to use the state module on iptables, do i need another kernel then, and if you know wich one? This is all on N900 with kernel-maemo Apr 23 18:31:51 infobot, flashing Apr 23 18:31:51 i guess flashing is http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware Apr 23 18:34:19 infobot, iptables Apr 23 18:34:20 iptables is, like, shown in the howto as well (the one in Wiki) or found at http://www.iptables.org/documentation/index.html Apr 23 18:34:47 :( Apr 23 19:01:20 how do i sleep() until a keypress event in sdl? Apr 23 19:03:47 this is deep and confusing to teh pupnik Apr 23 19:06:51 sdl is supposed to have an event loop Apr 23 19:07:00 which is supposed to block until an event comes Apr 23 19:13:05 ty for google search term Apr 23 19:21:44 thx for pointer MohammadAG solved with 2.6.28.10power42 Apr 23 19:33:46 sandwitch, that wasn't at you actually :P Apr 23 19:39:57 PID PPID USER STAT RSS %MEM %CPU COMMAND Apr 23 19:39:58 1214 1129 user R 11568 4.7 7.0 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop Apr 23 19:40:05 doing nothing Apr 23 19:41:11 20 mA power drain Apr 23 19:42:01 md5sum /usr/bin/hildon-desktop Apr 23 19:42:02 5b5ffaf73ec0122093c7e0e3eac66082 /usr/bin/hildon-desktop Apr 23 19:42:08 pls confirm Apr 23 19:43:30 any known issues or fixes how to get rid of tar-gnu 1.22-2maemo5 ? Apr 23 19:43:39 post install script is fucked up :( Apr 23 19:43:48 Gh0sty: can you help me Apr 23 19:43:51 and now ofcourse I cannot upgrade nor uninstall the damn thing Apr 23 19:44:56 pupnik_: mine is completely different but i guess that depends ... Apr 23 19:45:02 when you updated last etc etc :P Apr 23 19:45:13 which version you got (did not install the community SSU) Apr 23 19:45:13 ty for info Apr 23 19:45:39 Version: 0.3.39+0m5 Apr 23 19:45:51 what is your version apt-cache show hildon-status-menu Apr 23 19:46:06 hildon-status-menu_0.3.39+0m5_armel.deb Apr 23 19:47:07 I guess Stephen King does want to be recognized. . . . Apr 23 19:47:19 "I get so tired of reading my own stuff." Apr 23 19:47:45 Me: "Ooookaay." /looks at credit card slip "Ah, right." Apr 23 19:48:37 Gh0sty: you can look for the postinst file for the package Apr 23 19:49:01 i think in /var/lib/dpkg/info/foobar.postinst Apr 23 19:49:15 or postrm Apr 23 19:49:31 rather Apr 23 20:01:12 ok a bit of looking convinced me that the symlink /usr/bin/gtar was missing Apr 23 20:01:16 so i created it :P Apr 23 20:01:21 and all was well Apr 23 20:03:02 congrats Gh0sty :) Apr 23 20:03:15 'well' meaning it uninstalled? Apr 23 20:03:24 yes Apr 23 20:03:59 did i help? Apr 23 20:04:14 luky i know some stuff about debian but on a small screen its always a bit more difficult :p Apr 23 20:04:46 well i knew where to find the files but I added an 'force-all' and put in the scripts a set -x to see where it went wrong .. Apr 23 20:04:47 ssh my friend Apr 23 20:05:15 yes thats what I did now :p Apr 23 20:33:58 Jaffa, ping Apr 23 20:34:05 GAN900, ping Apr 23 20:34:37 ZogG, pong? Apr 23 20:34:49 GAN900 are you mwkn guy? Apr 23 20:34:56 Yes Apr 23 20:35:23 GAN900 i have several news for you Apr 23 20:36:08 GAN900 mono on n900, .paint on n900 and new vpn client on n900 ( thoug last one is not free so i don't know if it's worth to post) Apr 23 20:36:58 interesting? Apr 23 20:37:30 GAN900, http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=873Ig7-wS9Q&feature=player_embedded Apr 23 20:37:49 and paint.net as well Apr 23 20:39:21 Think we did mono previously. Apr 23 20:39:29 MS Paint paint? Apr 23 20:39:52 ZogG, you can just @mwkn them on twitter and we'll go through them when we format the issue. Apr 23 20:40:02 Is gnu screen in the repo? Apr 23 20:40:49 i think i installed it... Apr 23 20:40:52 maybe its in tools Apr 23 20:41:13 tools? Apr 23 20:43:12 http://maemo.org/packages/view/screen/ Apr 23 20:44:11 apt-get install screen returns nothing Apr 23 20:45:10 yes you need to add the tools repo Apr 23 20:48:39 GAN900 pain.net Apr 23 20:49:28 http://habreffect.ru/files/0dd/0b27b6fb6/Screenshot-20110410-004616.png Apr 23 20:49:29 ^ Apr 23 20:52:52 ZogG, I'm at work at the moment, but are you on twitter? Apr 23 20:53:03 yeah Apr 23 20:53:11 i;ll mention you and try to tweet Apr 23 20:53:27 ZogG, yeah, just tweet the story title and a URL @mwkn Apr 23 20:53:42 We'll pick them up when we compile the issue tomorrow. Apr 23 20:54:57 meh Apr 23 20:55:05 GAN900, i'll post to blog and tweet it Apr 23 20:55:10 as it's in russian Apr 23 20:55:22 pupnik_ =* Apr 23 20:55:37 while ((!done) && (SDL_WaitEvent(&event))) { process key input } Apr 23 20:55:43 takes 160mA RST38h Apr 23 20:55:50 pupnik_ do you love me? Apr 23 20:55:51 oprofile says Apr 23 20:55:56 samples % image name app name symbol name Apr 23 20:55:59 58043 92.1976 no-vmlinux no-vmlinux /no-vmlinux Apr 23 20:56:11 kernel is busy working on something but it shouldn't be Apr 23 20:56:29 maybe i can force low frequency mode Apr 23 20:57:34 ZogG, thanks. Apr 23 21:05:56 afsdqrwe Apr 23 21:05:59 haha Apr 23 21:06:01 asihfaoishf Apr 23 21:06:07 what fid eht Apr 23 21:09:42 lag Apr 23 21:09:52 ? Apr 23 21:10:02 hmm it's just me Apr 23 21:15:07 Ssh Apr 23 21:18:22 . Apr 23 21:18:24 . Apr 23 21:18:29 ` Apr 23 21:18:30 wtheck Apr 23 21:26:57 how long does a string have to be in order to be copyrightable Apr 23 21:26:59 (c) pupnik, 2011 Apr 23 21:33:38 pupnik_, it needs to be creative Apr 23 21:34:57 i assert it was creative to copyright the question as phrased Apr 23 21:35:25 yes i like goedel Apr 23 21:37:54 hildon-desktoptaking up 7% cpu @ 250mhz now Apr 23 21:38:47 possibly related to starting/quitting sdl application Apr 23 21:46:27 oooh... quassel2go Apr 23 21:46:54 looks a lot nicer than xchat or communi Apr 23 21:48:49 Dhraakellian: quassel2go is full of win Apr 23 21:50:17 yeah... now to figure out how to slim down the channel list without it affecting the desktop client Apr 23 21:50:33 make a 2nd list Apr 23 21:50:36 and select it Apr 23 21:50:58 huh... will try that Apr 23 21:51:17 you activate the 2nd list by going to it from the quassel2go menu, and then open that menu again (wich now has only 1 button) and press that one :) Apr 23 21:51:31 (on the n900 ofc) Apr 23 21:53:52 not quite getting it Apr 23 21:54:04 will try later Apr 23 21:54:14 have stuff to do now Apr 23 21:54:30 ah. got it Apr 23 21:54:33 :D Apr 23 21:55:10 now, is there a "next chat" shortcut for 2go Apr 23 21:55:13 ? Apr 23 21:55:21 I dunno Apr 23 21:55:35 btw as soon as that noki qt contest is over quassel2go will switch to maemo-extras as repo Apr 23 21:55:44 looks like not Apr 23 21:55:47 ooooh Apr 23 21:55:53 I like xchats binding of the zoom buttons Apr 23 21:56:05 that'll be nice Apr 23 21:56:25 SpeedEvil: which are? Apr 23 21:56:42 next/last channel Apr 23 21:56:52 aaah Apr 23 21:57:16 zoom/volume hardware buttons Apr 23 21:57:26 SpeedEvil: is there a vmlinux file for stock kernel that i can use to see what parts of kernel/sys are taking up cpu time? Apr 23 21:57:34 with oprofile Apr 23 21:57:43 i just get no-vmlinux readings here Apr 23 22:00:09 GAN900, did you get Portal 2 yet? Apr 23 22:01:22 Yes. Apr 23 22:01:44 I have this sinking feeling I'm very close to finishing it so I've slowed down. Apr 23 22:33:06 cowabunga dude Apr 23 22:36:33 yaay shaved off another 20ma Apr 23 22:55:56 how can one arrange auto-rotation similar to the phone app when set to "portrait mode", i.e. portrait regardless of phone orientation, but landscape when the kb is open? Apr 23 22:56:41 i'm over-thinking this... this just reduces to "how can i detect keyboard slide state changes" Apr 23 22:56:44 (in Qt) Apr 23 23:14:27 hey guys just got a n900 and seem to have issues installing stuff from treminal Apr 23 23:14:33 terminal* Apr 23 23:15:31 Cool story, bro. Apr 23 23:15:57 apparently apt-get install can cause problems Apr 23 23:16:02 or is it just apt-get upgrade? Apr 23 23:17:11 ah install i get error saying i need to be either root or suid Apr 23 23:18:00 weed37: yeah, to use apt on the commandline you need to install the rootsh package, then type "root" in the terminal Apr 23 23:18:21 BCMM: Afaik it's only upgrade, but sometimes install will attempt to do the upgrade (mine currently wants to install 1000+ dependencies for everything). Apr 23 23:18:34 apt-get rootsh? Apr 23 23:18:45 weed37: install rootsh via the Application Manager Apr 23 23:18:53 weed37: no, use HAM Apr 23 23:19:03 k Apr 23 23:19:08 weed37: apt-get is hardly ever teh solution to not being able to run apt-get Apr 23 23:23:35 BCMM, apt-get dist-upgrade Apr 23 23:24:04 MohammadAG: what about it? Apr 23 23:24:20 all i know is that that's the best way to kill an ubuntu system :) Apr 23 23:24:25 (if it's ever actually been used) Apr 23 23:26:31 BCMM, and a maemo system Apr 23 23:26:46 MohammadAG: what does it do? Apr 23 23:27:11 BCMM, bootloops, at least that's what users said Apr 23 23:32:02 huh, wonder why Apr 23 23:57:20 hi, I'm trying to install ankiqt900 on n900 using faster application manager and it fails. On inspection I detected that apt-cache search does not find ankiqt900, how come it shows on the initial package manager? Apr 23 23:57:57 I might add this package is in extras-devel and I have extras-devel in my repos Apr 24 00:19:00 nvm, broken entries in hildon(...).list **** ENDING LOGGING AT Sun Apr 24 02:59:58 2011