**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Wed Apr 27 02:59:58 2011 Apr 27 04:56:41 I've never thought that I would use VPN service to "unlock" the access to linux repositories Apr 27 05:01:59 dont worry it'll get worse. Apr 27 05:02:04 with that said, good night Apr 27 05:06:23 * RST38h yawns Apr 27 05:06:37 Anyone still alive here? =) Apr 27 05:21:08 yep Apr 27 05:21:59 It 9:20 AM where I am Apr 27 05:22:13 *It's Apr 27 06:49:52 \o Apr 27 06:57:31 ambidexterity? ;) Apr 27 06:58:01 yeah Apr 27 06:58:06 I'm awesome that way Apr 27 06:58:25 Not everyone can wave with both hands Apr 27 06:58:39 stop being mean to the one-handed you bastard Apr 27 07:00:29 luckily you're not cursed for using left hand. Back maybe at least 70 odd years ago, one would have got their hands beaten if they tried to become south paws Apr 27 07:01:08 less time than that in more than a few countries Apr 27 07:01:16 * abissom is left-handed Apr 27 07:01:45 :) Apr 27 07:02:37 that smiley is right handed however D: Apr 27 07:02:45 * EdLin is also left-handed (: Apr 27 07:03:21 lol... u remind me of a friend who types all his smilies left-side right Apr 27 07:03:35 * robbiethe1st is left handed also Apr 27 07:04:00 ...I think at least 25-50% of nerds are left-handed Apr 27 07:04:02 I usually do it the normal way, simply because it screws up most people's icons for smilies otherwise. Apr 27 07:04:59 left handed people are more creative and intelligent. ;-) Apr 27 07:05:40 according to wikipedia, creative for left handers is true Apr 27 07:05:45 either that, or we've simply lived with too much adversity from right-handed tool design. Apr 27 07:06:20 Probably Apr 27 07:07:26 hence some left handers claim ambidexterity :) Apr 27 07:07:59 'Course, in the computer world, one wonders about certain things, like the default position of minimise/maximise/close on the right. I think that's actually more useful for lefties than righties Apr 27 07:08:00 having to cope with tools that were meant to be used with right hand when you're left handed probably would make you become dual-handed :) Apr 27 07:08:18 robbiethe1st not on os x, unfortunately. Apr 27 07:08:34 Yea, I know. Really screws me up, Ed Apr 27 07:08:36 or anything that has the macosx theme in the very least Apr 27 07:08:37 or gnome 1 Apr 27 07:09:02 And yea, I've learned to use both hands for my mouse; my left hand's far more accurate, though. Apr 27 07:09:13 I remember how bad gnome 1's default scheme was... Apr 27 07:09:14 (especially once I got a proper lefty-mouse) Apr 27 07:09:24 * robbiethe1st <3 KDE Apr 27 07:09:38 robbiethe1st you have a lefty mouse? is it wireless? Apr 27 07:10:02 Nope; I seriously /hate/ wireless mice. Left handed Razer DeathAdder. Apr 27 07:10:15 why do you hate wireless mice? Apr 27 07:10:32 batteries I'd say :D Apr 27 07:10:41 'Cause they get lost, have batteries that need replacing or charging, and will hibernate/sleep between strokes. Apr 27 07:11:01 Wired mice, well, you can usually find it by tracing the cable. Apr 27 07:11:04 mine never seems to hibernate at the wrong time. Apr 27 07:11:12 logitech Apr 27 07:11:30 forget the model, its a laser mouse. Apr 27 07:12:00 I don't know, really. I just decided ages ago I didn't want wireless because I've never had good luck with battery powered devices Apr 27 07:12:07 They are /always/ running out of power Apr 27 07:12:08 wouldn't the model number be printed on the bottom of the mouse? unless of course that has been worn off over time :) Apr 27 07:12:20 robbiethe1st get rid of your internet tablet then. ;-) Apr 27 07:12:43 It's one of few things that /doesn't/ run out of power, mainly because I'm charging it each night Apr 27 07:12:49 psycho_oreos nope, just logitech on the bottom. Apr 27 07:13:12 EdLin, weird, I have a logitech mouse as well, though its wired and strictly for use with right hand Apr 27 07:13:43 I just got one of the highest rated logitech wireless mice on newegg, that's how I picked it.... Apr 27 07:13:45 <_< I used to use a Logitech G5... with my /left/ hand. Apr 27 07:14:12 speaking of newegg, I noticed the n900 is no longer for sale there, and a number of others only have "marketplace" selections. Is the n900 out of production? Apr 27 07:14:48 talking about battery-powered devices, since I got my first phone, to now with N900, i always run out of batteries Apr 27 07:14:52 ALWAYS Apr 27 07:14:59 and my first experience with wireless keyboard and moues wasn't the best. That was when wireless peripherals were basically brand spanking new. Ever since I've used it, it has become a nuisance to change the batteries + the burden on spending batteries unless you go for rechargeable ones and hope they don't leak. Then again in my case it has leaked time and time again Apr 27 07:15:00 no matter how much i charge them Apr 27 07:15:08 my n810 doesn't run out until over a week is gone sometimes. Apr 27 07:15:11 i've ended up bringing a charger with me all the time Apr 27 07:15:20 that helps... kinda Apr 27 07:16:35 N900 has already been out of production for quite awhile now. I managed to buy myself a second one after trying to visit every mobile phone shop there was on the street. The people all say the same thing.. "no longer made", "out of stock", "would you be interested in n8?" ..... -_-' Apr 27 07:17:28 heh Apr 27 07:17:38 n900 is pretty unique Apr 27 07:17:47 Oh, yes. Definitely Apr 27 07:17:58 Not giving it up Apr 27 07:18:09 well Apr 27 07:18:13 and some salespeople are pretty dumb trying to up-sell something that isn't what the customer wanted. :) Apr 27 07:18:22 my first N900 breaked Apr 27 07:18:37 instead of getting a new phone (as always), I got a new one Apr 27 07:18:52 well, mostly because of gurantee... Apr 27 07:18:59 but i would do it anyway :P Apr 27 07:19:09 er Apr 27 07:19:16 new one as in a new N900 Apr 27 07:19:19 I haven't broken mine in a way that it could not be used yet but I believe its on its way out lol. Apr 27 07:19:36 My battery charger plug borked Apr 27 07:19:53 yeah the microUSB socket, that was a big thing on t.m.o Apr 27 07:20:11 Mine's going to probably break in a year or two, due to me OCing it to 1ghz+... But oh well, I'll buy another at that point. I /love/ how responsive it is Apr 27 07:20:25 I made sure my second n900 after examining it before buying it that it had the revision number 2204 instead of 2101 Apr 27 07:20:49 i got a new one for free :D (resulting in 2x of everything, as I just sent my N900 and nothing more, on reparation) Apr 27 07:20:54 2 batteries :33 Apr 27 07:21:05 damn! if only I was that lucky :| Apr 27 07:21:25 hm Apr 27 07:21:31 can I check that somehow? Apr 27 07:21:38 ahh well I can't complain, I have two N900, and some geeks would probably call me a nut for having two Apr 27 07:21:38 would be good to know Apr 27 07:21:43 cat /proc/cpuinfo Apr 27 07:21:50 ll Apr 27 07:21:53 ll Apr 27 07:22:02 Revision : 2101 Apr 27 07:22:10 that seems bad :( Apr 27 07:22:22 I don't know if that's a failsafe method, but I think revision 2204 is the same as my old one and I haven't had the microusb socket yanked ou Apr 27 07:22:22 whatever, i'll just be careful Apr 27 07:23:33 no actually not that I think. It is exactly the same revision as my old one. I've read that t.m.o thread and asked a few unfortunate which revision they had, the results were coming up as < 2204 Apr 27 07:24:04 heh Apr 27 07:24:22 so... 2101 is one of the ones Apr 27 07:24:29 like I said, its not foolproof method, my old n900 sometimes doesn't detect that its been plugged into a wall charger. I had to unplug it and plug it back in to make it work Apr 27 07:24:41 s/work/charge/ Apr 27 07:24:41 psycho_oreos meant: like I said, its not foolproof method, my old n900 sometimes doesn't detect that its been plugged into a wall charger. I had to unplug it and plug it back in to make it charge Apr 27 07:25:07 that sounds like the problems I had before it breaked completly Apr 27 07:25:08 that's what I'm going by for my assumptions yes Apr 27 07:25:29 well yeah I guess mine would probably too be on its way out lol Apr 27 07:26:03 it has no problems when plugged into powered USB hub which is then connected to the PC, just the wall charger connector Apr 27 07:26:44 doesn't the USB plug stick even harder? Apr 27 07:27:00 or car chargers, etc. (with same connector) Apr 27 07:27:31 hm Apr 27 07:27:45 psycho_oreos: Remove bme and use jrbme? Apr 27 07:27:49 not sure. Though I recall someone in here, I think it was DocScrutinizer said something about the rail marks on the microUSB male plug needs to be softened Apr 27 07:28:04 still, i like that my phone was fully charged when it happened Apr 27 07:28:25 so i could just backup everything without hestitating Apr 27 07:28:30 robbiethe1st, haven't been adventurous yet, though once I get my other microSD in I will no doubt be experimenting those with me old phone :) Apr 27 07:28:40 k Apr 27 07:30:18 there's many other things I've wanted to experiment but have held back because I'm reluctant to break my one and only n900. That was then, now after making my new n900 almost a clone of my old one (software and setup-wise of course) I will no doubt be experimenting things like nitdroid + meego Apr 27 07:31:55 Make sure to use BackupMenu. Apr 27 07:32:34 you meant the v2 version :D Apr 27 07:33:08 well I'm not too overly concerned if I screwed up my old n900, like I said, the other one is going to be my stable backup Apr 27 07:33:24 Yea.. I /hope/ noone's using V1 anymore... Apr 27 07:33:41 that reminds me, still no dice with uboot? Apr 27 07:34:01 I've no clue how to implement it really Apr 27 07:34:07 *nods* Apr 27 07:34:24 I'm just a hack; pasting together huge amounts of poorly-written shell script. ;) Apr 27 07:34:42 at least that tool made you popular :) Apr 27 07:34:55 Yea, that's true. Apr 27 07:35:58 What's surprising is how well it works; it's actually darn fast, even with all the layers of abstraction. I suppose that's mainly because all the real /work/ is done by one or two native programs. Apr 27 07:37:30 lot of GUI gunk has been cut out notably from the screenshots :) Apr 27 07:40:44 Well, yea; I suppose. I /still/ don't know of a better way than using that little text2screen utility... Nor do I even have a proper man page for it... Apr 27 07:42:39 isn't that program called dialog or something? Apr 27 07:43:22 Well, it's at /usr/bin/text2screen, so... Apr 27 07:43:29 ahh my bad Apr 27 07:43:51 also, won't really work once the system's booted - It apparently writes directly to the hardware, and X overwrites it next frame Apr 27 07:44:03 (so whatever you wrote with it just flashes onscreen) Apr 27 07:52:56 yeah I had close look at text2screen utility, unfortunately its closed source and looks like it was specifically built for maemo Apr 27 07:53:55 * psycho_oreos thinks would piping that program through strings would pull up some interesting switches that one can then probe and maybe write a proper doc out for it Apr 27 07:55:04 I would have thought you used dialog, but it seems like you had to bypass X, thereby only initialising the base stuff Apr 27 07:56:42 morning Apr 27 07:56:45 unfortunately no, strings couldn't yield any useful switches. However its interesting to note that it deals with framebuffer and that its placed in X11 directory (well in my case) Apr 27 07:56:52 morning Apr 27 07:57:01 Yea; when I found the original bootmenu script, it didn't have X loaded and used that, so that's what I used Apr 27 07:57:16 Made it very easy to run; lots of stuff didn't need to be loaded Apr 27 07:58:34 which was even better, afterall having too many stuff loaded just bogs down the device. If it doesn't bog down the device it might make the whole backing up more tedious Apr 27 07:58:45 Yea, that's true. Apr 27 08:15:36 Morning, all Apr 27 08:17:34 morning Jaffa Apr 27 08:35:37 <_berto_> http://conversations.nokia.com/2011/04/27/nokia-announces-next-steps-in-transformation/ Apr 27 08:44:30 Should be titled "Nokia dumps unwanted people to accenture to fire" Apr 27 08:50:52 who can draw good Apr 27 08:53:09 pupnik: Disney Apr 27 08:53:47 picasso Apr 27 08:54:03 Cor-Ai, bit he's dead! Apr 27 08:54:39 mece: so? your out off T-virus? Apr 27 08:56:53 Cor-Ai, no, but I have some ethical issues with it. Been using it too much.. Apr 27 08:57:45 mece: ahh! to bad! im using it all the time! Apr 27 09:11:10 sup Apr 27 09:11:21 I have a problem with autobuilder Apr 27 09:11:33 I submitted a package about 3 hours ago Apr 27 09:11:38 It began the build Apr 27 09:11:46 And still doing something Apr 27 09:12:16 So... what news from Finland? Apr 27 09:12:19 Is it possible to stop the build process? Apr 27 09:12:26 Meetings started an hour ago, right? Apr 27 09:12:40 keks-n, I think Niels does that by killing a process or something Apr 27 09:12:52 keks-n, It's always been a bit mysterious to me, to be honest Apr 27 09:14:04 I think the problem appeared because of mysterious behavior of the repositories Apr 27 09:14:48 I'm unable to download anything from home Apr 27 09:15:41 And I have to run apt-get 4-6 times to get packages if I run it on my server in Germany Apr 27 09:20:13 dneary: apparently they will fire 4000 people (1400 in finland) and 3000 from symbian development will move to accenture Apr 27 09:24:20 Oh shi~ Apr 27 09:26:38 <_berto_> dneary: http://conversations.nokia.com/ Apr 27 09:26:45 <_berto_> (out for lunch) Apr 27 09:31:52 good morning Apr 27 09:41:24 Nokia sounds like they're scaling back MeeGo operations to *smaller* than 770 R&D days Apr 27 09:42:19 problem--> bootscreen manager and cssu tuner doesnt launch Apr 27 09:42:36 yesterday I executed "rm /home/user/.cache/launch/com.nokia.controlpanel.pvr" and they started for one time Apr 27 09:43:32 Nokia transfers Symbian development and 3,000 employees to Accenture, will downsize workforce by further 4,000 Apr 27 09:44:18 anyone knows what is going on? :s Apr 27 09:45:29 anapostastos: The End is going on Apr 27 09:45:42 ohh, Im leavi Apr 27 09:45:58 (lol) Apr 27 09:52:59 I've never used bootscreen manager but I have CSSU Features Control installed and never had that issue before Apr 27 09:53:48 Im talking about cssu_tuner Apr 27 09:54:13 bootscreen manager is only useful if you really, really cannot bear to edit a single line of a two-line config file Apr 27 09:54:40 or, i suppose, if you need to change boot videos constantly Apr 27 09:55:07 the problem is why these two cant start from settings panel Apr 27 09:55:13 anapospastos, so you're not talking about this? http://talk.maemo.org/attachment.php?attachmentid=18355&stc=1&d=1299408864 Apr 27 09:56:04 psycho_oreos: no, this is cssu features Apr 27 09:56:48 Jaffa, I guess they REALLY want meego to fail... Apr 27 09:57:20 anapospastos, ahh ok I've never heard of it Apr 27 10:01:15 * chem|st thinks nokia ceo is paid by apple or at least google... 4000 empl. get fired... Apr 27 10:03:36 RST38h: you've been faster again Apr 27 10:08:57 bwuahahaha! "This collaboration demonstrates our ongoing commitment to enhance our Symbian offering and serve our smartphone customers," said Jo Harlow, executive vice president for Smart Devices, Nokia." Apr 27 10:09:39 Rauha's comment on tmo: "Nothing quite says commitment to platform as explicitly as sacking & outsourcing the people working on that platform." Apr 27 10:13:28 mece: But they are committed! They are giving them a real-terms relative cost of living increase! Apr 27 10:13:40 mece: And a free boat ride to india. Apr 27 10:13:58 Where they will earn 3* the national minimum wage. Apr 27 10:14:15 hehe Apr 27 10:18:15 mece: smartphoe does not mean smart people?! Apr 27 10:19:44 chem|st, mmhmm Apr 27 10:20:38 mece: smart phones do not let people become smart not even if XO of smart devices Apr 27 10:21:44 nokia is now MS so we can expect the worst for the future Apr 27 10:21:56 chem|st, pretty mich Apr 27 10:21:58 much Apr 27 10:22:13 I note the above says 'The planned reductions will have the greatest impact on the Symbian and MeeGo R&D. In addition, approximately 3,000 employees are planned to transfer to Accenture to support the continued delivery of Symbian software development and support services.' Apr 27 10:22:27 Is this basically meaning that most of the meego staff is just being axed? Apr 27 10:22:35 mece: and those people are apple and google share holders as they know they veer up a sinking ship Apr 27 10:22:52 (well - redeployed in a socially responsible manner) Apr 27 10:23:22 SpeedEvil, so it seems. Apr 27 10:23:22 SpeedEvil: +4000 fired Apr 27 10:23:54 makes a cost decrease of round about 300mio eur Apr 27 10:26:38 http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/27/online_teens_not_dorks/ <-- hmm Apr 27 10:29:37 ruskie: back on topic please Apr 27 11:40:04 anyone know how to convince scratchbox's g++ that there are in fact newlines at the end of my source files? Apr 27 11:50:02 Morning. Apr 27 11:50:26 where? Apr 27 11:50:39 sr71: Chicago, of course. Apr 27 12:06:43 Hello ! Apr 27 12:14:48 hello Khertan_ Apr 27 12:15:00 'lo Venemo Apr 27 12:15:40 google latitude *suddenly* stopped working, both from browser and helper app Apr 27 12:15:54 i cannot update my position and get friends updates :-/ Apr 27 12:16:06 Somebody committed the whole Mono distribution to the repos. God have mercy on their souls... Apr 27 12:16:24 Arkenoi; I doubt anyone will notice Apr 27 12:17:00 RST38h, i did, i use it all the time :-/ Apr 27 12:19:51 well all those people that want to mug you will certainly notice the lack of updates... Apr 27 12:40:43 "Nokia now tells staff that the majority of MeeGo activities are planned to be discontinued by the end of June 2012.", I thought they were planning to continue it in some form, but apparently I thought wrong Apr 27 12:42:59 Trewas, majority != everything Apr 27 12:43:02 Trewas, source? Apr 27 12:43:09 Trewas, and they did say as much iirc a while ago Apr 27 12:43:16 it's a long term R&D or so they said Apr 27 12:43:32 which means... 1 or 2 people doing whatever... would be my guess Apr 27 12:44:34 MohammadAG: http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/04/27/nokia_cuts_memo/ Apr 27 12:45:55 bah Apr 27 12:46:14 nokia made one good device and the they drop all dev on it Apr 27 12:48:04 lol Apr 27 12:48:11 who cares about Nokia anymore anyway? Apr 27 12:48:21 ruskie: more probable that they just keep some maemo/meego people employed until the meego-device they'll announce next month will be completely EOLed Apr 27 12:48:52 will meego work on the n900? Apr 27 12:48:59 Will meego. Apr 27 12:49:52 They will keep to their promise, and release a meego device. The cost of making one prototype isn't too bad. Apr 27 12:52:45 anyway; other manufacturers will make meego devices too Apr 27 12:52:50 and probably better ones Apr 27 12:52:54 so who cares about nokia? Apr 27 12:53:25 i dont care about them Apr 27 12:53:39 i would just like more dev on maemo/n900 Apr 27 12:53:49 the communiti is great tho Apr 27 12:53:52 Gyjf, and to answer your question, yes, MeeGo works on da N900. try MeeGo developer edition Apr 27 12:54:13 well it runs Apr 27 12:54:16 works? :) Apr 27 12:54:33 Appiah, as much as you expect prerelease software to work, yes, it works Apr 27 12:54:59 is it better than maemo? Apr 27 12:55:06 not yet Apr 27 12:55:06 that's up to debate Apr 27 12:55:23 lets debate when it's released Apr 27 12:55:25 Gyjf, not yet, because the UX is unpolised and the apps are unfinished Apr 27 12:55:31 the UX is crap Apr 27 12:55:34 and will remain so Apr 27 12:55:40 does it have root out of the box? Apr 27 12:55:53 Gyjf, yep, root password is 'meego' Apr 27 12:55:55 ruskie: stay positive! Apr 27 12:56:11 Appiah, I was... until I saw the handset UX :( Apr 27 12:56:15 ruskie, handset ux maybe crap, but you can use other uxes. (Intel's UX is known to be working, plus there's Cordia) Apr 27 12:56:18 the tablet meego UX actually looks usable Apr 27 12:56:19 do the maemo programs work with it? Apr 27 12:56:36 Gyjf, those which are ported, yes. Apr 27 12:57:13 hmm Apr 27 12:57:20 for now ill stick with maemo Apr 27 12:58:03 Venemo: Nobody else will make Meego. Apr 27 12:58:14 Venemo: Intel have gone back to themoblinname IIRC Apr 27 12:58:43 remind me if Cordia's still alive Apr 27 12:58:46 how about android on the n900 then? Apr 27 12:58:57 why? Apr 27 12:58:57 screw android Apr 27 12:58:59 wow Apr 27 12:59:06 I just ordered an android...to be fair, it's the only smartphone my employer will pay for, a meego I'd have to pay for myself anyhow ;P Apr 27 12:59:07 you dont like maemo do you? :) Apr 27 12:59:09 If I wanted to use that I'd buy a new device Apr 27 12:59:37 the thing with android is that it has a lot more programs for it Apr 27 12:59:55 the thing about a PC is that it has a lot more programs for it Apr 27 12:59:58 (and my N900 is hopefully living a happy life with a geek in Dubai, after I left it in a taxi there) Apr 27 12:59:58 and you need these? Apr 27 13:00:09 or want* Apr 27 13:00:26 maybe Apr 27 13:00:31 and a lot less traditional linux Apr 27 13:02:02 its mostly games and stuff that id want Apr 27 13:02:12 oh.. Apr 27 13:02:27 stuff for the acelerometer and argumented reality Apr 27 13:02:42 the ovi store has games Apr 27 13:02:46 only if it's in-glasses built in Apr 27 13:02:46 (never touched em) Apr 27 13:02:51 else augmented reality is pointless Apr 27 13:03:06 why? Apr 27 13:03:30 thats like saying any game is pointless Apr 27 13:04:29 if you need to hold something to actually get it to work... what's the point... Apr 27 13:04:33 it's not really augmented reality... Apr 27 13:04:35 [14:57] Venemo: Intel have gone back to themoblinname IIRC ---> what's the source of that? Apr 27 13:04:39 it's my shiny device can do this... Apr 27 13:05:31 if it's not seamless I can't really call it augmented reality Apr 27 13:05:59 Venemo: My fevered imaginings. Apr 27 13:06:03 Maybe too much cheese Apr 27 13:06:33 [15:05] [14:57] Venemo: Intel have gone back to the moblin name IIRC Apr 27 13:06:35 [15:05] is that true? Apr 27 13:06:36 [15:05] no Apr 27 13:06:38 [15:05] in fact, they closed the mailing lists Apr 27 13:06:39 [15:05] what mailing lists? Apr 27 13:06:41 [15:05] moblin ones Apr 27 13:06:45 SpeedEvil, ^ Apr 27 13:06:52 k Apr 27 13:07:12 I was confused with the references to nokia infrastructure being pulled from meego. Apr 27 13:08:47 Your imaginings must be fevered. Apr 27 13:08:52 There's no such thing as too much cheese. Apr 27 13:10:11 hehe Apr 27 13:10:22 anyway, I gotta go. will be back later. Apr 27 13:39:15 i got pocket sphinx all working Apr 27 13:39:35 but its very inaccurate, without any predefined grammer Apr 27 13:39:43 hey hey Apr 27 13:39:47 i presume its my accent Apr 27 13:39:55 can you make it work with phone recordings Apr 27 13:40:01 yeah, easily Apr 27 13:40:46 the way i have it now, i use gstreamer to pipe the microphone straight into it Apr 27 13:40:52 do you know how to train with a .wav + .txt file Apr 27 13:41:46 not really Apr 27 13:45:22 http://i.imgur.com/mJYLl.png my project atm Apr 27 13:55:44 mc_teo`: link!!! Apr 27 14:08:29 DocScrutinizer: link to what? Apr 27 14:09:14 i got it running on my own n900, i can make a post on the forums with how i did it, if you'd like? Apr 27 14:09:46 mc_teo`: yes, much appreciated Apr 27 14:10:45 voicedial/voicecmd is one of the major shortcomings of N900 Apr 27 14:15:49 DocScrutinizer: im working on getting the grammer support better Apr 27 14:16:09 atm, there is just an online form to encode it Apr 27 14:16:26 and some tools in C Apr 27 14:16:50 which i suppose could be built for arm Apr 27 14:19:38 mc_teo: grammar support is a wide divergent field. Support for voicedialing by names in contacts is different to generic control of hildon-desktop is different to a voice input to shell is dif... Apr 27 14:20:17 I'd be interested in the "layer0" voice input and decoding stuff first, to work on my own grammar Apr 27 14:21:05 so yeah Apr 27 14:21:35 i just "dpkg -i *"'d all the arm binaries from http://repository.maemo.org/extras-devel/pool/fremantle/free/p/pocketsphinx/ Apr 27 14:21:56 cool Apr 27 14:22:03 and then as root "apt-get -f install" to fix dependencies Apr 27 14:22:09 didn't even know we had it in repo Apr 27 14:22:35 oh, i just deleted all those i386 debs too Apr 27 14:22:43 so just the arm ones were installed Apr 27 14:23:09 so that installed all the python and gstreamer hooks Apr 27 14:23:19 then i just needed to get the right pipe Apr 27 14:23:29 for my python scripts Apr 27 14:24:02 mhm, a short howto for dummies would be much appreciated Apr 27 14:25:06 also, i meant to increase accuracy, in my opinion at least, having a very small dictionary of grammer Apr 27 14:25:26 sure Apr 27 14:26:30 proper training and a small dict of distinct vocabulary and a simple unambiguous grammar is essential for real time voice input Apr 27 14:27:20 I'm rather good I think, on defining usable grammars Apr 27 14:27:44 yeah, but i am thinking of just making applications speech ready Apr 27 14:28:08 as opposed to making the whole UI speech ready Apr 27 14:28:33 for me that's a way too ambitious approach for kickoff Apr 27 14:29:06 so for example, in the webbrowser, at any one point, the main commands would be Back, Forward, Refresh, Home, etc Apr 27 14:29:09 I'd first go for dialing 10 or 20 predefined contacts, on press of headset button Apr 27 14:30:09 thats why i wanted to make the grammer be able to load more dynamic Apr 27 14:30:30 I'd not even try to implement the N9x untrained recognition of names by their spelling, I'd be happy with teaching each of the 20 contacts Apr 27 14:30:42 so the whole list of contacts could be loaded, and encoded Apr 27 14:31:09 mc_teo: agreed, of course a dynamic grammar is is a essential design point in such a thing Apr 27 14:32:08 and of course you need a app specific grammar rather soon Apr 27 14:32:28 with just one command common to all, to escape to system control level Apr 27 14:32:41 like access to taskswitcher Apr 27 14:32:46 i made a facebook application a while back, which loaded all friends names, and passed them to the voice recognition engine in the JSGF format Apr 27 14:33:04 so it was essentially, completely untrained, yet worked very well Apr 27 14:33:59 since it was javascript based, i could dynamically change, and reload the grammer, at any point Apr 27 14:34:11 i was hoping for this kind of interface here also Apr 27 14:34:45 my approach (as always) is from the system architect's POV, to define a set of design rules so you can start small yet extend to a full blown system cross-app without breaking API or system structure Apr 27 14:35:27 yeah, i suppose i would probably think from that pov after some formal education Apr 27 14:35:49 so I'm interested in giving the layer0 speech input engine a shot, to learn about that API, and base on it to define something tailored to match maemo Apr 27 14:35:53 atm, i do this stuff simply for ease of use Apr 27 14:36:48 well in my python application i used gstreamer to pipe pulse to pocketsphinx, is this what your talking about? Apr 27 14:37:33 as usual you want a system that doesn't need any patches to particular apps adn still integrates nicely and allows new apps to take advantage of a decent API to interface to advanced functions of speech input Apr 27 14:38:46 e.g for dialer such a design is essential, as we can't patch or rewrite the dialer-ui Apr 27 14:38:46 since i used only python interface, i feel ill equiped to contribute Apr 27 14:39:23 you can contribute by giving me a kickstart in form of a howto for dummies, to get to where you are atm Apr 27 14:40:09 Hi, some maemo extras admin here? Apr 27 14:40:11 already am writing it, atm Apr 27 14:40:41 some tmo post 3 times the length of your telegram style instructions above would suffice, and attaching a python example code would be the icing on top Apr 27 14:41:07 i wanna un-promote my package from extras.... because is not working ( google change the api )... and i will not fix in the short time... Apr 27 14:41:16 googlelatitude is the package.. Apr 27 14:46:32 rlinfati: ping X-Fade Apr 27 14:49:14 age old problem: how to get "fixes" thru testing into extras in a bearable timeframe Apr 27 14:50:29 DocScrutinizer: +1 Apr 27 14:50:35 I guess it'd be hard to gather 10 thumbs-up for a patch that replaces all project files by /dev/null and the description by "discontinued" Apr 27 14:50:41 I would like to unpromote some stuff too Apr 27 14:51:40 I'd love to edit some files by hand if possible Apr 27 14:52:31 we need more admins for extras(-testing) Apr 27 14:52:35 don't know how that sorting works but some apps are off topic Apr 27 14:53:18 most likely whole council should have access to do such things Apr 27 14:53:32 like some audiobook-reader in utilities Apr 27 14:54:43 DocScrutinizer: that's never gonna happen... I wait years for access to the brainstorm backend yet Apr 27 14:55:09 that's nasty. Nokia shouldn't kill maemo by DoS Apr 27 14:55:12 first request was in 09/12 or something Apr 27 14:56:25 there's been a time X-Fade jumped out of bed in the night at 4o' when somebody highlighted him here Apr 27 14:56:53 now I don't even get on the access list after days... ;) Apr 27 14:57:20 It has come to an end... Apr 27 14:57:25 yeah, neither do I get a +f as requested Apr 27 14:58:25 chem|st: op? o_O Apr 27 14:58:30 doesn't help does it Apr 27 14:58:45 doesn't really help, just a sign Apr 27 14:59:05 hehe Apr 27 14:59:24