**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Mon May 02 02:59:57 2011
May 02 03:06:44 <DocScrutinizer51> rm -rf /bin/laden
May 02 03:12:28 <GAN900> Weee
May 02 06:24:34 <RST38h> (1) IN GENERAL- Any person who, in good faith and based on objectively reasonable suspicion, makes, or causes to be made, a voluntary report of covered activity to an authorized official shall be immune from civil liability under Federal, State, and local law for such report.
May 02 06:26:49 <RST38h> After a spate of suicides last year, managers at Foxconn ordered new staff to sign pledges that they would not attempt to kill themselves, according to researchers... And they were made to promise that if they did, their families would only seek the legal minimum in damages.
May 02 06:27:03 * RST38h tells himself to stop =)
May 02 06:28:23 <RST38h> Ah wait, there is more: Osama bin Laden killed in Pakistan, Obama says. US intelligence led to military operation; US says it has custody of al-Qaida leader's body.
May 02 08:05:43 <CableTwitch> Y'ello
May 02 08:09:31 <pupnik__> who can make good icons for me
May 02 08:10:02 <Appiah> I ca... oh GOOD icons
May 02 08:10:40 <CableTwitch> Yeah, when he said good ones, I hesitated there too.
May 02 08:31:56 <cos^> does anyone remember where maemo.org password recovery form is hidden?
May 02 08:32:12 <pupnik__> nap
May 02 08:37:13 <chem|st> morning
May 02 08:38:12 <pupnik__> and everybody wants a rock to wind a piece of string around
May 02 08:38:18 <chem|st> cos^: enter wrong password the nextpage has a link
May 02 08:39:03 <chem|st> pupnik__: what kind of icons do you need
May 02 08:39:44 <cos^> chem|st: nope, there is no link
May 02 08:40:09 <pupnik__> chem|st: i'm not quite happy with my spell icons yet.  needs to fit in with style of existing game
May 02 08:40:23 <pupnik__> think like wizardry 6 for DOS or dungeon keeper etc
May 02 08:40:37 <pupnik__> except with 24bit color
May 02 08:40:51 <chem|st> ehrm there was wizardry 6? I stopped with 3
May 02 08:41:29 <pupnik> nice
May 02 08:42:22 <chem|st> cos^: it says something like Click ^here^ in the first paragraph
May 02 08:42:45 <chem|st> cos^: http://talk.maemo.org/login.php?do=lostpw
May 02 08:43:15 <chem|st> and it does say it! now I need to recover my password to log back in again (just kidding)
May 02 08:43:40 <cos^> chem|st: nope, link to that page is not on the login page. it has only "Username or password was invalid.
May 02 08:43:43 <cos^> Note to new users
May 02 08:43:46 <cos^> If you just created your account in garage.maemo.org, try again in a few minutes.Thank you...."
May 02 08:44:00 <chem|st> cos^: please read again ^facepalm
May 02 08:44:23 <chem|st> ^moan
May 02 08:44:40 <chem|st> cos^: ok I would have to be more specific
May 02 08:45:34 <chem|st> cos^: https://garage.maemo.org/account/lostpw.php
May 02 08:45:41 <cos^> are talk.maemo.org accounts same as maemo.org? "You have not entered an email address that we recognize. "
May 02 08:46:03 <chem|st> as garage is handling the account why didn't you just go back there and have a look?
May 02 08:46:18 <chem|st> cos^: garage and talk is different
May 02 08:46:42 <chem|st> if someone asks for maemo pwd I think of tmo
May 02 08:46:56 <cos^> i have no clue which accounts are the related. there is _no_ recovery link on maemo.org login page.
May 02 08:47:12 <chem|st> cos^: as not maemo.org is doing it
May 02 08:47:19 <chem|st> cos^: HERE https://garage.maemo.org/account/lostpw.php
May 02 08:47:33 <chem|st> maemo.org is actualy garage
May 02 08:47:47 <chem|st> talk.m.o is talk.m.o
May 02 08:47:48 <cos^> it's not very good design that you need to go to irc and ask for the link every time you forget your passwd
May 02 08:48:10 <chem|st> cos^: open a bugreport
May 02 08:48:21 <flux> cos^, one possible alternative: don't lose your passwords :)
May 02 08:48:32 <chem|st> flux: +1
May 02 08:48:59 <cos^> flux: not an option :-)
May 02 08:49:14 <chem|st> cos^: did it work for you now?
May 02 08:49:46 <cos^> chem|st: yep.. thanks
May 02 08:49:50 <chem|st> ;)
May 02 08:50:44 <cityLights> did anyone notify this odity: when opening the keyboard the screen fades and device is turned off
May 02 08:54:34 <chem|st> cos^: please confirm bug 12205
May 02 08:54:35 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12205 Password recovery link missing on maemo.org
May 02 08:55:03 <chem|st> cityLights: nope sounds like a new feature
May 02 09:00:33 <chem|st> bug 12206 please someone confirm
May 02 09:00:34 <povbot> Bug https://bugs.maemo.org/12206 invalid passwd page on maemo.org register button
May 02 09:01:12 <cos^> does bugs.maemo.org use garage accounts?
May 02 09:02:59 <cos^> i guess not
May 02 09:04:55 <chem|st> hmm I think that is the third (but last account)
May 02 09:37:28 <pupnik> http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=yHNGvEdTwBQ  Petula Clark - 1964 - Downtown
May 02 11:21:39 <cityLights> just before I start learning qt
May 02 11:22:08 <cityLights> can any one pls help me with using gobject.timeout_add() and then calling it twice?
May 02 11:25:20 <chem|st> cityLights: http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=43862
May 02 11:26:09 <chem|st> is that what you are after?
May 02 11:26:26 <cityLights> min , thanks
May 02 11:59:58 <macmaN> is the n900 built in gps a piece of crap?
May 02 12:00:33 <macmaN> offline navigation is key for me, i cant seem to get a fix at all while my girl's piece of crap n79 gets a fix in 5 seconds
May 02 12:00:46 <macmaN> no agps no nothing
May 02 12:01:12 <andre__> yes, for some people gps in the n900 does not work well.
May 02 12:01:24 <RST38h> for most people
May 02 12:01:25 <haj> it works for me.. it just needs some time to connect
May 02 12:01:25 <Appiah> are you using ovi gps?
May 02 12:01:26 <macmaN> i just read about gpskinni
May 02 12:01:39 <macmaN> Appiah: just tried with location widget to start
May 02 12:01:42 <macmaN> gpsjinni*
May 02 12:01:48 <macmaN> about to install that now, see what that says
May 02 12:02:02 <Appiah> I thought the widget used the ovi maps gps
May 02 12:02:06 <haj> when i was on vacation in Norway I just keept GPSjinny running so that it always had a GPS connection.. and used Sygic when I needed navigation.. :)
May 02 12:02:14 <haj> jinni yes..
May 02 12:02:16 <macmaN> right, i just downloaded sygic too
May 02 12:02:31 <macmaN> not sure i understand the pricing policy yet
May 02 12:03:00 <haj> Also I had a car charger, so the power usage of the GPS was not a problem...
May 02 12:03:01 <macmaN> the best deal is to take that 25% coupon and get 29.99€ price with it?
May 02 12:03:43 <haj> macmaN: if the GPS has been off for some time it does need some minutes to get a connection if you can't use a data connection..
May 02 12:04:08 <macmaN> how does the n79 get the connection so fast regardless
May 02 12:04:17 <chem|st> macmaN: nope you are doing something wrong or do not understand how it works
May 02 12:04:43 <DocScrutinizer> AGPS N900 works like a charm here. It's a known prerequisite to have a working SIM
May 02 12:05:35 <chem|st> macmaN: without "A" normal gps takes up to 12 minutes to get a fix! that isn't a bug that's how it works
May 02 12:06:19 <pupnik> THAT'S WHAT SHE SAID
May 02 12:06:25 <pupnik> oops
May 02 12:06:36 <chem|st> pupnik: don't yell at me!
May 02 12:07:06 <DocScrutinizer> NB N900 gps chipset is coupled to the BB5 RAPUYAMA modem chip and handled by the modem FW. It's quite likely this part of software doesn't assume you ever operate the modem&gps combo without a SIM inserted
May 02 12:07:43 <pupnik> sorry
May 02 12:07:49 <chem|st> :)
May 02 12:08:39 <DocScrutinizer> also NB my tests seem to indicate you don't even need any connectivity like GPRS/other_data, just a SIM that books in to a network seems to suffice
May 02 12:08:55 <chem|st> macmaN: the n79 might be so fast as it had a fix at a nearby location not long ago
May 02 12:14:42 <SpeedEvil> Has anyone written a plugin for mbarcode in shell?
May 02 12:15:01 <DocScrutinizer> My educated guess is there's low level hidden supl support directly from GSM/UMTS, much like support for setting the time. Most carriers would want to support this as it is needed for the required remote controlled GPS access via GSM (yes that's a fact, carrier can enable your GPS without you even noticing)
May 02 12:15:42 <DocScrutinizer> s/required/mandatory/
May 02 12:15:42 <infobot> DocScrutinizer meant: My educated guess is there's low level hidden supl support directly from GSM/UMTS, much like support for setting the time. Most carriers would want to support this as it is needed for the mandatory remote controlled GPS access via GSM (yes that's a fact, ...
May 02 12:16:41 <DocScrutinizer> (that's a fact...) that's why the GPS chip is connected to modem rather than APE
May 02 12:17:22 <DocScrutinizer> so it makes sense you need a SIM to get instant GPS
May 02 12:17:50 <SpeedEvil> I suspect it's more the modem has custom dirmwarre designed for driving the GPS
May 02 12:17:58 <SpeedEvil> The GPS will need a non-trivial firmware blob
May 02 12:18:04 <SpeedEvil> and use lots of host CPUI
May 02 12:18:05 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 02 12:19:22 <Pyro1099> hey!
May 02 12:19:44 <DocScrutinizer> but the design is due to regulatory requirements, which actually say 911 MUST be able to get the GPS position of any phone equipped with GPS
May 02 12:21:00 <DocScrutinizer> even for so called "roechel-anrufe" where the caller isn't able to answer or actively enable GPS position transmission
May 02 12:21:09 <pupnik> brr
May 02 12:22:37 <DocScrutinizer> so this is part of GSM specs and I guess the supl support fits in there seamlessly
May 02 12:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> hidden transparent supl support OTA GSM
May 02 12:25:02 <DocScrutinizer> as compared to the supl setting for GPS in maemo settings which tries to implement that via normal internet connectivity
May 02 12:26:16 <DocScrutinizer> for the rare cases where you got no carrier connection at all or a carrier that does NOT support the transparent method, but still yur device is able to access internet, e.g via WLAN
May 02 12:28:06 <DocScrutinizer> of course a BTS based 'supl' function is waaay easier and better, as the BTS knows where you are, and just needs to tell your GPS chipset a few mostly static data
May 02 12:31:11 <DocScrutinizer> bottom line: my N900 GPS usually gets a fix in <10s, when SIM inserted. Even indoors
May 02 12:33:57 <arvut> g'aftern00n #maemo
May 02 12:37:22 <DocScrutinizer> no sybian device here, so I have to ask: on e.g. a N97, can you even boot the phone and esp can you enable GPS, without SIM inserted?
May 02 12:38:14 <kerio> DocScrutinizer: sybian, eh
May 02 12:40:26 * GeneralAntilles cackles http://www.telegraph.co.uk/technology/news/8481330/Alarm-over-EU-Great-Firewall-proposal.html
May 02 12:40:51 <DocScrutinizer> duh
May 02 12:44:41 <DocScrutinizer> friggin hungarians
May 02 12:45:35 <DocScrutinizer> first hey changed their own country to a proto-dictatorship, now they immediately after that try to expand that shit to whole europe
May 02 12:47:03 <chem|st> going nuts again
May 02 12:47:15 <DocScrutinizer> it's unbearable Hungary has president seat of EU while they abolish freedom of speech and democracy at large in their own country
May 02 12:47:17 <chem|st> "there'll be dragons"
May 02 12:49:11 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: chem|st: To help me understand your backgrounds, in which countries are you? I'm in the US.
May 02 12:49:15 <billmania> And good morning.
May 02 12:49:16 <DocScrutinizer> honestly I think if they'd apply right now, Hungary had less chances to become member of EU than Turkey
May 02 12:50:03 <DocScrutinizer> billmania: I have an ambivalent relation to Germany
May 02 12:50:28 <billmania> DocScrutinizer: Some of my good friends are German. :-D
May 02 12:56:26 <Echo-> MohammadAG I'm stuck in multiboot...can you help me?
May 02 12:56:35 <DocScrutinizer> ohnoes
May 02 12:56:58 <Echo-> I reflashed my device and installed multiboot but I forgot to install the item files
May 02 12:57:11 <Echo-> and pressing 0 gives me an error
May 02 12:57:21 <DocScrutinizer> you're screwed. I guess it's bootlooping now
May 02 12:58:16 <jacekowski> reflash
May 02 12:58:41 <DocScrutinizer> and do it fast, as long as your battery is sufficiently charged
May 02 12:59:02 <DocScrutinizer> then better stay away from multiboot
May 02 12:59:24 <Echo-> I can reload battery that isn't the problem
May 02 12:59:36 <DocScrutinizer> how?
May 02 12:59:47 <Echo-> charger keeps blinking
May 02 12:59:52 <DocScrutinizer> oh
May 02 12:59:56 <DocScrutinizer> ok then
May 02 13:00:12 <Echo-> stupid thing is I see the loading dots and then it goes away :<
May 02 13:00:48 <DocScrutinizer> and charger keeps blinking nevertheless, the yellow LED?
May 02 13:02:29 <jacekowski> it's probably not starting bme
May 02 13:02:40 <jacekowski> so charging started by nolo isn't terminated
May 02 13:04:59 <Echo-> fixed it I think
May 02 13:05:10 <Echo-> jep
May 02 13:05:14 <Echo-> got it fixed
May 02 13:06:02 <Echo-> downloadI downloaded the firmware .bin
May 02 13:06:06 <Echo-> then did flasher-3.5 -F RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin --flash-only=kernel -f -R
May 02 13:06:10 <Echo-> and 0 worked again
May 02 13:07:06 <Echo-> and I think only the date got lost
May 02 13:07:27 <Echo-> yep only date got lost :)
May 02 13:07:44 <Echo-> MohammadAG I got it fixed so nvm my highlight
May 02 13:08:49 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, it's hardly surprising. I still can't believe you guys gave up that much power to the EU.
May 02 13:09:06 <Echo-> wat
May 02 13:12:44 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: I have a hard time as well to appreciate all the aspects of EU, though I once been in sympathy with the basic idea
May 02 13:13:23 <DocScrutinizer> it's much like the united states of Europe, but obviously poorly designed
May 02 13:14:28 <DocScrutinizer> you could as well argue there's way too much power left with the particular country's gvmt
May 02 13:15:28 <DocScrutinizer> imagine each of the 52(?) states of US had their own military and foreign affairs department
May 02 13:16:27 <alonlevy> are there newer gtk and glib packages available for maemo5? specifically I need 2.22 glib and 2.18 gtk+
May 02 13:26:37 <pupnik> bin laden dead: does that mean obama will stop killing pakistanis?    http://www.npr.org/blogs/thetwo-way/2011/05/02/135905185/osama-bin-laden-is-dead-officials-say
May 02 13:32:07 <arvut> pupnik: atleast they claim he is.. has any pictures of his corpse been revealed?
May 02 13:33:14 <SpeedEvil> Anyone know if mbarcode can be made to simply save a list of scanned codes?
May 02 13:33:24 <arvut> they say navy seals shot him and "burried him in the sea". why would they do that if not to mislead a possible capture?
May 02 13:33:38 <GAN900> pupnik, maybe the TSA will stop molesting children?
May 02 13:33:57 <pupnik> yeah
May 02 13:34:04 <pupnik> cool!  we can stop doing all that stupid stuff!
May 02 13:34:09 <Veggen> arvut: well. they might not create a holy place for muslim terrorists to gather?
May 02 13:34:40 <GAN900> Much like that birth certificate idiocy, this is just another headline to distract from real issues.
May 02 13:34:56 <GAN900> Like out-of-control, Constitution-shredding government.
May 02 13:34:59 <SpeedEvil> GAN900: But Osama was in fact French!
May 02 13:35:05 <arvut> Veggen: true. but why not atleast show some evidence? a bloodbath in a mansion isnt really proof.
May 02 13:35:25 <Veggen> mmm, yah. Guess we'll see in the coming days.
May 02 13:35:46 <GAN900> arvut, think they've got DNA.
May 02 13:36:06 <Corsac> Veggen: if you make a holy place for terrorists to gather you can arrest them directly!
May 02 13:36:12 <Veggen> they claim they have, at least.
May 02 13:36:16 <arvut> for all we know it could have been a raid to capture him and in order to do so, kill every one else. leaving no witness
May 02 13:36:38 <GAN900> arvut, I'd assume they were probably shooting back.
May 02 13:36:45 <arvut> GAN900: words are still words ;)
May 02 13:36:53 <GAN900> You usually tend to die when you do that to US soldiers.
May 02 13:36:56 <SpeedEvil> The key thing is - does he have a Casio watch of mass destruction.
May 02 13:37:00 <GAN900> arvut, same goes for you. ;)
May 02 13:37:21 <GAN900> Either way, who really cares?
May 02 13:37:31 <GAN900> There are clearly more important issues on the board.
May 02 13:37:36 <arvut> indeed, I'm only speculating if this is what it seems
May 02 13:37:37 <SpeedEvil> Indeed.
May 02 13:37:46 <SpeedEvil> For example - will the meego phone be released.
May 02 13:38:02 <jacekowski> n950
May 02 13:38:42 <pupnik> i'd like to know whether it will have keyboard or not
May 02 13:38:55 <arvut> lol yeah, I'm mostly suprised over the fact that ppl all over the world trust the media to such degree that they celebrate the 'death' of this guy
May 02 13:38:59 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, no.
May 02 13:39:27 <pupnik> or trust the pentagon, whom they're quoting
May 02 13:39:30 <SpeedEvil> arvut: You think the media is inaccurately reporting Obamas statement?
May 02 13:39:34 <GAN900> arvut, there are far more unsettling examples of that trust demonstrated every day.
May 02 13:39:39 <SpeedEvil> That's kinda extreme.
May 02 13:40:23 <arvut> SpeedEvil: I think its worth questioning. the media in general is a great tool to manipulate the masses
May 02 13:40:24 <jacekowski> arvut: thing is that people that invaded iraq are not better than terrorists ( and that's assuming that terrorists were from iraq )
May 02 13:41:08 <arvut> jacekowski: yeah, I'm rather neutral to the whole terrorist war thing.
May 02 13:41:33 <arvut> I do like to question everything tho.
May 02 13:41:58 <jacekowski> i'm really surprised that there was no bombs exploding in england and france and wherever because of libya invasion
May 02 13:42:14 <DocScrutinizer> honestly, who with a brain gives a F*?
May 02 13:42:16 <jacekowski> you would expect them to fight back using everything they can
May 02 13:42:53 <GAN900> jacekowski, yes, normal every day people doing their jobs are terrorists.
May 02 13:43:07 <GAN900> Please GTFO with your moral relativism.
May 02 13:43:14 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: Gaddafi wasn't exactly a friend of Al Qaida I guess
May 02 13:43:46 <arvut> GAN900: calm down now. no need to be rude.
May 02 13:43:58 <GAN900> jacekowski, the average grunt isn't spending his time hiding behind civilians. :)
May 02 13:44:07 <GAN900> arvut, tell that to jacekowski. :)
May 02 13:44:09 <jacekowski> GAN900: no i meant, if somebody would invade my country i would try to defend it using whatever means i have
May 02 13:44:42 <DocScrutinizer> who's invading Libya?
May 02 13:44:47 <jacekowski> france
May 02 13:44:49 <jacekowski> and england
May 02 13:44:53 <jacekowski> and couple other countries
May 02 13:44:55 <DocScrutinizer> invasion of Iraq was BS
May 02 13:45:07 <GAN900> USA: World Police
May 02 13:45:18 * GAN900 doesn't know how we fell into that trap.
May 02 13:45:32 <DocScrutinizer> hybris
May 02 13:45:47 <GAN900> George Washington warned against that idiocy 200 years ago.
May 02 13:46:04 <arvut> GAN900: using acronyms like that one isn't actually polite tho ;)
May 02 13:46:09 <GAN900> "Oh, you folks want to kill each other over there? Well, have fun with that."
May 02 13:46:57 <Corsac> jacekowski: not sure you really can compare irak and libya
May 02 13:47:22 <jacekowski> i'm surprised that usa didn't bother to plant some fake biological weapons in iraq just for good PR
May 02 13:47:26 * DocScrutinizer is calling for chanops
May 02 13:47:34 <jacekowski> they just admited that there was nothing there and whole invasion was pointless
May 02 13:47:39 <jacekowski> and everybody accepted it like that
May 02 13:48:14 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, that moron Bush even made jokes about it in his crappy oval office video
May 02 13:48:37 <RST38h> GAN: BTW, have you got obligatory lulz from noticing how they "took Bin Laden's body to Afghanistan and gave it a proper Islamic burial in the sea"? =)
May 02 13:48:46 <GAN900> jacekowski, they didn't need to.
May 02 13:49:23 <GAN900> RST38h, dunno why they bothered with any of that nonsense.
May 02 13:49:50 <RST38h> GAN: To give us all lulz of course. Check out .AF on the Googlemaps, you will see what I mean
May 02 13:49:52 <arvut> jacekowski: its all about the money ;)
May 02 13:50:51 <DocScrutinizer> jacekowski: after that other moron lieing to the world about US intelligence findings about those lorries with chemical weapon labs, there's nothing more left over to do for good PR :-P
May 02 13:50:57 <GAN900> RST38h, yeah, yeah. :P
May 02 13:51:02 <jacekowski> arvut: but when you attack other country saying that there is nuclear/biological/chemical/whatever weapon and then couple years later you announce that there was nothing there
May 02 13:51:09 <ruskie> when did this become ##politics?
May 02 13:51:23 <jacekowski> arvut: and nobody has a problem with USA destroying a country
May 02 13:51:23 <GAN900> ruskie, when Maemo died.
May 02 13:51:28 <ruskie> yay
May 02 13:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> ruskie: ack
May 02 13:52:42 <DocScrutinizer> GENERAL NOTICE: users complained about off-topic
May 02 13:52:49 <Corsac> RST38h: who said the body was taken to .af?
May 02 13:52:56 <Corsac> yeah, sorry
May 02 13:53:27 <RST38h> GAN: Personally, if I were Obama or Gates, I would much prefer to have Osama mounted and placed somewhere in a Pentagon corridor
May 02 13:53:46 <DocScrutinizer> general policy: nothing is off-topic until a single complaint is uttered
May 02 13:54:24 <RST38h> Doc: I would like to complain about ruskie being offtopic by asking when it has become politics
May 02 13:54:39 <arvut> jacekowski: you know that's not true.
May 02 13:54:42 <DocScrutinizer> so please everybody take it to #politics or wherever you like now
May 02 13:59:44 <cityLights> btw, reading the logs I see it is common for one person to ask about a certain subject then a different person asking here regarding the same subject
May 02 14:00:00 <cityLights> which mean I need to read this more
May 02 14:00:40 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: yeah, searching chanlogs prior to asking is a recommended best practice
May 02 14:03:41 <cityLights> not to stire up more politics, but will another maemo device will ever be sold?
May 02 14:04:30 <cityLights> according to yesterday , nokia has moved to WP7 and some maemo stuff was joined to meego
May 02 14:04:39 <cityLights> I read some meego wiki pages
May 02 14:06:13 <RST38h> Here, Doc, you have killed all the conversation.
May 02 14:06:15 <GAN900> cityLights, old news.
May 02 14:06:40 <cityLights> sorry
May 02 14:06:52 <GAN900> cityLights, MeeGo is effectively dead at Nokia, possibly one more device coming. Likely with little to no support.
May 02 14:07:16 <RST38h> GAN: A Harmattan device, not a Meego one.
May 02 14:07:24 <cityLights> ok, so I still need to save up for a new device
May 02 14:08:06 <cityLights> did all of the meamo code go in to the meego team?
May 02 14:08:39 <GAN900> Most of it went in the trash.
May 02 14:08:40 <cityLights> or did they SAW maemo and still used the stuff they had
May 02 14:08:54 <cityLights> this what I thought
May 02 14:08:56 <GAN900> MeeGo is 95% Moblin.
May 02 14:09:03 <cityLights> at least according to the wiki
May 02 14:09:07 <cityLights> right
May 02 14:09:35 <cityLights> and I guess that  Moblin eats more cpu - so intel can keep selling atoms
May 02 14:09:58 <cityLights> so I am now writing code for an os with no future
May 02 14:10:00 <cityLights> ok
May 02 14:10:36 <pupnik> duh
May 02 14:10:46 <pupnik> any foss OS has more future than any non-free one
May 02 14:10:58 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: shall I auto-forward every one to #politics? ;-D
May 02 14:11:56 <DocScrutinizer> or better yet: change /topic and auto-forward those complaining to #real-maemo
May 02 14:12:00 <cityLights> no I will behave now
May 02 14:12:33 <DocScrutinizer> cityLights: you're perfectly on topic. No problems :-)
May 02 14:12:50 <RST38h> Doc: Dunno, I would say you should probably be less formal in offtopic detection and removal
May 02 14:13:07 <RST38h> Doc: Or we won't have much to talk about:)
May 02 14:13:36 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: I act most formally when complaints come in. NB I've been actively participating in that rather OT debate
May 02 14:14:22 <DocScrutinizer> there's in fact no other unbiased way to handle that issue
May 02 14:16:02 <RST38h> Doc: Ah,not laying any blame, just making a sad statistical observation about the overall chat traffic :)
May 02 14:16:20 <DocScrutinizer> appreciated
May 02 14:18:13 <pupnik> i'm being a bit lame sorry
May 02 14:18:46 <pupnik> how many mA current draw should an online game take max :)
May 02 14:18:58 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 02 14:19:04 <DocScrutinizer> as few as possible
May 02 14:19:16 <pupnik> pcsx takes about 220mA (without backlight)
May 02 14:19:28 <DocScrutinizer> not too bad
May 02 14:19:48 <pupnik> with backlight 330 in my kitchen
May 02 14:20:18 <Echo-> btw you guys remember how to autoload oc on startup?
May 02 14:20:26 <DocScrutinizer> let's put it that way: if the batery is empty before you managed to save a new level, then your users probably won'tlike that
May 02 14:21:20 <DocScrutinizer> Echo-: yes, but we won't tell, as OCing is a much deprecated and discourraged topic and thing to do here
May 02 14:21:36 <Echo-> I have used Oc since the beginning
May 02 14:21:46 <DocScrutinizer> the few ones that really understand the implications of OC won't ask that question
May 02 14:22:47 <DocScrutinizer> ~omap-oc
May 02 14:22:48 <infobot> from memory, omap-oc is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!
May 02 14:27:24 <Echo-> DocScrutinizer I remember how to do it
May 02 14:27:33 <Echo-> I remember now
May 02 14:38:29 <arvut> how would I clear the browsing history in the maemo browser?
May 02 14:38:46 <arvut> on a n900 that is
May 02 14:38:52 <pupnik> should be able to tell browser 'clear browsing history'
May 02 14:39:40 <SpeedEvil> Laamane:
May 02 14:39:41 <SpeedEvil> oops
May 02 14:40:12 <pupnik> aahahahahaha
May 02 14:40:23 <SpeedEvil> !seen lardman
May 02 14:40:25 <arvut> pupnik: in the terminal? I can't seem to find the option to do it when I start it
May 02 14:40:30 <SpeedEvil> ~see lardman
May 02 14:40:31 * infobot whispers to lardman "You didn't see anything...."
May 02 14:40:35 <SpeedEvil> ~seen lardman
May 02 14:40:44 <pupnik> arvut: i wwas thinking that the software hsould be voice-driven as an option
May 02 14:40:50 <infobot> lardman <~lardman@Maemo/community/contributor/lardman> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 1d 23h 13m 8s ago, saying: 'cu all later!'.
May 02 14:41:42 <pupnik> arvut: can i help you use google? :)
May 02 14:50:37 <arvut> pupnik, sure go ahead google 4 me ;P
May 02 14:54:04 * GAN900 notes this site is completely unreadable on a mobile device: http://www.andrewnormanwilson.com/portfolios/70411-workers-leaving-the-googleplex
May 02 15:00:02 <RST38h> GAN: Fun, absolute fun
May 02 15:00:33 <pupnik> heh
May 02 15:00:47 <DocScrutinizer> mgedmin: ping
May 02 15:00:56 <mgedmin> DocScrutinizer, ?
May 02 15:01:12 <DocScrutinizer> mgedmin: how's about adding a date range for search on irclogs
May 02 15:01:27 <DocScrutinizer> 0 matches in 1646 log files with 4059388 lines (59.6 seconds).
May 02 15:01:27 <mgedmin> great idea!
May 02 15:01:30 <mgedmin> just send me a patch :)
May 02 15:01:41 <DocScrutinizer> though I know I'm interested only in last 6 months
May 02 15:01:46 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 02 15:02:08 <mgedmin> yeah, limiting searches to last N days by default was on my to-do list for a long time...
May 02 15:02:49 <DocScrutinizer> just have a numeric textinput with a default, that can get overridden by user
May 02 15:09:00 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: omap-oc also is and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11
May 02 15:09:00 <infobot> I think you lost me on that one, DocScrutinizer
May 02 15:09:13 <DocScrutinizer> infobot: omap-oc is also and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11
May 02 15:09:13 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: okay
May 02 15:09:23 <DocScrutinizer> ~omap-oc
May 02 15:09:24 <infobot> omap-oc is, like, http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-08-01.log.html#t2010-08-01T22:16:05  read that!, or and this http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2011-03-11.log.html#t2011-03-11T03:04:11
May 02 15:09:43 <DocScrutinizer> meh, but ... meh
May 02 15:11:01 <SpeedEvil> Can anyione point me to a web service that I can call with http://what.ever/whatever/%s - and it will log the %s's?
May 02 15:11:09 <dangergrrl> what player engines do we have accel on?
May 02 15:14:21 <dangergrrl> i saw a threaid that said not vlc but miro is gstreamer based
May 02 15:14:57 <dangergrrl> i'm about to be on the road and my video subs would be very nice to have on n900
May 02 15:17:12 <joppu> vlc is horrendous
May 02 15:17:18 <joppu> miro is based on vlc
May 02 15:17:53 <joppu> gstreamer is the only player with hardware acceleration afaik
May 02 15:18:10 <joppu> http://maemo.org/downloads/product/Maemo5/mafw-gst-subtitles-applet/
May 02 15:19:36 <mece> is gstreamer a "player" in the same sense vlc is?
May 02 15:20:21 <joppu> gstreamer = nokia stock player
May 02 15:20:41 <joppu> it's the backend or whatever
May 02 15:21:10 <joppu> just like libvlc is the backend of vlc
May 02 15:21:24 <SpeedEvil> Some gstreamer formats are hardware accellerated
May 02 15:21:26 <joppu> (ok, it's not comparable)
May 02 15:21:55 <joppu> yeah, up to basic profiles of h.264
May 02 15:23:08 <dangergrrl> i actually can code if needed at least i should be able to port something, that's relatively easy; with miro the big issue would be the ram consumed while torrenting
May 02 15:23:12 <cityLights> in regard to gobject.timeout_add i need another kind of help
May 02 15:23:41 <dangergrrl> and i just now ran miro on a console and it is actually gstreamer based that's why i asked
May 02 15:24:03 <dangergrrl> afaik gstreamer is just a library like libvlc
May 02 15:24:21 <cityLights> my problem is: I need to use timeout_add twise
May 02 15:24:28 <cityLights> s/twise/twice/
May 02 15:24:28 <infobot> cityLights meant: my problem is: I need to use timeout_add twice
May 02 15:24:39 <dangergrrl> and it only keeps one?
May 02 15:24:58 <cityLights> right - it goes nuts
May 02 15:25:20 <dangergrrl> utsl?
May 02 15:25:29 <cityLights> my main loop is query wheh the next meeting is on and waking up to it
May 02 15:25:50 <cityLights> but then I must return False to kill that timer
May 02 15:26:10 <cityLights> and I want to call it again with a diffrent duration
May 02 15:26:49 <DocScrutinizer> man gst-launch
May 02 15:26:50 <dangergrrl> in fact i think utsl is apropriate
May 02 15:26:51 <dangergrrl> use the source, luke
May 02 15:27:36 <cityLights> ~google utsl
May 02 15:27:43 <cityLights> what is utsl?
May 02 15:28:04 <dangergrrl> read the library source
May 02 15:28:16 <dangergrrl> it is "use the source luke"
May 02 15:28:43 <dangergrrl> ancient refrain from comp.unix.wizards; almost as common as rtfm
May 02 15:28:46 <DocScrutinizer> apropos gstreamer
May 02 15:29:14 <DocScrutinizer> ~utsl
May 02 15:29:15 <infobot> rumour has it, utsl is Use The Source, Luke (loose translation: you think this has *comments*, huh?).  Real Men don't write documentation; if it was hard to write, it should be hard to understand.
May 02 15:29:25 <cityLights> dangergrrl: please help me with a URL its hard for me to find the right source
May 02 15:29:41 <dangergrrl> this is gtk?
May 02 15:30:02 <cityLights> git.gnome.org/browse/pygobject ?
May 02 15:30:15 <dangergrrl> gtk source last i read it wasn't that difficult
May 02 15:30:34 <timeless_webchat> sp3000: ping
May 02 15:30:37 <cityLights> I use gobject in python
May 02 15:31:03 <dangergrrl> so it's gobject.timeout_add?
May 02 15:32:18 <DocScrutinizer> Ola' timeless_webchat
May 02 15:32:24 <cityLights> I am at http://git.gnome.org/browse/ and dont know what to look at
May 02 15:32:24 <timeless_webchat> heya
May 02 15:32:28 <dangergrrl> i don't know python syntax :) so i know i will hate it if i look at miro source :)
May 02 15:33:05 <dangergrrl> try google with that as site: and the syntax for the function definition in python
May 02 15:33:08 <DocScrutinizer> dangergrrl: python syntax is made to be easy
May 02 15:33:27 <dangergrrl> whitespace sensitivity is all i have heard
May 02 15:33:33 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 02 15:33:40 <dangergrrl> which is noneasy
May 02 15:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> your code HAS to be pretty ;-P
May 02 15:33:57 * timeless_webchat wouldn't go that far...
May 02 15:33:58 <dangergrrl> i don't my code to break if i edit it with vi in a hurry and hit tab
May 02 15:34:17 <DocScrutinizer> sure, I hate it as well
May 02 15:34:17 <dangergrrl> emacs wouldn't break it
May 02 15:34:32 <timeless_webchat> dangergrrl: that's why you should have precommit checks to ensure your code compiles...
May 02 15:34:50 <DocScrutinizer> compiled python ? :-P
May 02 15:35:33 <dangergrrl> anyhow you know the syntax for the function definition cityLights is looking for?
May 02 15:35:47 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
May 02 15:36:07 <dangergrrl> should be able to read the code and see why it only is taking one timeout
May 02 15:37:26 <dangergrrl> but fixing it could involve the signal handler having to schedule the next timeout after the first elapses
May 02 15:38:04 <DocScrutinizer> sure, a timer object oneshot won't magically convert to a ticking one
May 02 15:38:06 <dangergrrl> i think the posix sleep signal timer is oneshot
May 02 15:39:00 <dangergrrl> that's not a python or library problem, per se it is just part of *nix
May 02 15:39:08 <DocScrutinizer> why don't you use simple python sleep or some other more generic python timer thing
May 02 15:39:11 <pupnik> somebody else needs to do this game event loop
May 02 15:39:24 <pupnik> i can't make it go 4 ticks a second, except also go when i press a key
May 02 15:39:59 <dangergrrl> it's 50F on may 2 in texas, wierd
May 02 15:40:29 <DocScrutinizer> umm, that's low?
May 02 15:40:54 <dangergrrl> anyhow i know i can get democracy now on the road, they have torrents on their www daily
May 02 15:41:04 <dangergrrl> yes, it was 90f a few days ago
May 02 15:41:34 <dangergrrl> texas is not supposed to require a jacket in may except on a motorcycle
May 02 15:42:02 * DocScrutinizer ponders whether to walk to bathroom where the F/C alcohol thermometer hangs, or rather google-convert, or simply ignore the issue
May 02 15:42:18 <GAN900> DocScrutinizer, I'm currently sitting at around 86°F right now. :P
May 02 15:42:23 <dangergrrl> but i like hak5 and some other shows i get on miro and i don't know all their www sites
May 02 15:42:44 <dangergrrl> 37.6 is 100f i think
May 02 15:43:16 <GAN900> So, 50 is around 9-11?
May 02 15:43:19 <dangergrrl> i'm sorry i'm a damned american using imperial units :(
May 02 15:44:11 <dangergrrl> 10
May 02 15:44:39 <dangergrrl> that's cold for the subtropics
May 02 15:44:51 <GAN900> dangergrrl, take pride in befulding those silly Europeans. :P
May 02 15:45:17 <dangergrrl> i'm just glad we got the scapegoat for 9/11
May 02 15:46:01 <dangergrrl> maybe the us can stop the drone attacks now
May 02 15:46:59 <GAN900> Or stop the TSA molesting kids at the airport
May 02 15:47:07 <GAN900> and open up the borders.
May 02 15:47:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 50F to C
May 02 15:47:12 <infobot> 50F cannot be converted to C: conformability error
May 02 15:47:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 50W to J/s
May 02 15:47:27 <infobot> 50W is approximately 50 J/s
May 02 15:48:15 <GAN900> ~convert 50 fahrenheit to celcius
May 02 15:48:17 <infobot> 50 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celcius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit'
May 02 15:48:32 <GAN900> ~convert 50f to celcius
May 02 15:48:34 <infobot> 50f cannot be converted to celcius: Unknown unit 'celcius'
May 02 15:48:53 <Robot101> DocScrutinizer: its about 10 :P
May 02 15:48:57 <GAN900> ~convert 50f to k
May 02 15:48:59 <infobot> 50f cannot be converted to k: conformability error
May 02 15:49:06 <GAN900> Useless plugin
May 02 15:49:07 <Robot101> probably thinks its farads
May 02 15:49:47 <DocScrutinizer> o/ Robot101
May 02 15:50:11 <RST38h> ~convert 50 fahrenheit to celsius
May 02 15:50:12 <infobot> 50 fahrenheit cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'fahrenheit'
May 02 15:50:28 <RST38h> ~convert 50f to celsius
May 02 15:50:30 <infobot> 50f cannot be converted to celsius: Unknown unit 'celsius'
May 02 15:50:39 <DocScrutinizer> been there done that
May 02 15:50:56 <dangergrrl> are farads conformant to joules per4 second?
May 02 15:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> ~+help convert
May 02 15:51:03 <infobot>    Desc: Convert from one unit to another
May 02 15:51:03 <infobot>   Usage: convert [number] <units> to <units>
May 02 15:51:04 <infobot> Example: convert 55 degF to degC
May 02 15:51:04 <infobot> Example: convert 60 mph to kph
May 02 15:51:04 <infobot> Example: convert 60 miles per hour to km/hour
May 02 15:51:04 <infobot> Example: convert gallons to cm^3
May 02 15:51:09 <DocScrutinizer> LOL
May 02 15:51:13 <dangergrrl> aha
May 02 15:51:28 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 55 degF to degC
May 02 15:51:30 <infobot> 55 degF is approximately 30.5556 degC
May 02 15:51:34 <RST38h> mghm
May 02 15:51:46 <DocScrutinizer> damn WUT??
May 02 15:51:49 <dangergrrl> ~convert 90 degF to degC
May 02 15:51:51 <infobot> 90 degF is approximately 50 degC
May 02 15:51:56 <dangergrrl> no way
May 02 15:51:59 <dangergrrl> lol
May 02 15:52:03 <Robot101> haha
May 02 15:52:06 <GAN900> ~convert 32 degF to degC
May 02 15:52:08 <infobot> 32 degF is approximately 17.7778 degC
May 02 15:52:11 <Robot101> FAIL
May 02 15:52:12 <GAN900> Nice.
May 02 15:52:12 <dangergrrl> lol
May 02 15:52:31 <dangergrrl> ~convert -40 degF to degC
May 02 15:52:32 <infobot> -40 degF cannot be converted to degC: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit']
May 02 15:53:01 <DocScrutinizer> ~useless
May 02 15:53:01 * infobot starts crying and hides from docscrutinizer in the darkest corner of the room. :(
May 02 15:53:26 <dangergrrl> -40 is -40 on both F and C
May 02 15:53:41 <DocScrutinizer> ~-40*5
May 02 15:53:42 <infobot> -200
May 02 15:54:11 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert -50W to J7s
May 02 15:54:13 <infobot> -50W cannot be converted to J7s: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit']
May 02 15:54:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert -50W to J/s
May 02 15:54:16 <infobot> -50W cannot be converted to J/s: Usage: units [option] ['from-unit' 'to-unit']
May 02 15:54:19 <dangergrrl> ~-200/9
May 02 15:54:20 <infobot> -22.222222222222
May 02 15:54:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 50W to J/s
May 02 15:54:26 <infobot> 50W is approximately 50 J/s
May 02 15:54:57 <DocScrutinizer> ~die
May 02 15:54:58 * infobot takes two shots to the head and crumples to the ground, lifeless.
May 02 15:55:12 <dangergrrl> ~g -40 f to c
May 02 15:55:24 <RST38h> ~convert 0N to grams
May 02 15:55:25 <infobot> 0N cannot be converted to grams: conformability error
May 02 15:55:27 <dangergrrl> oh well
May 02 15:55:34 <RST38h> ~convert 1N to grams
May 02 15:55:36 <infobot> 1N cannot be converted to grams: conformability error
May 02 15:55:41 <RST38h> sneaky
May 02 15:55:55 <DocScrutinizer> ~die ~convert 1N to p
May 02 15:55:55 * infobot murders ~convert 1N to p, takes two shots to the head then crumples to the ground, lifeless...
May 02 15:55:59 <dangergrrl> newtons really are nonconformant to grams
May 02 15:56:04 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 1N to p
May 02 15:56:06 <infobot> 1N cannot be converted to p: conformability error
May 02 15:56:15 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 1N to Pond
May 02 15:56:16 <infobot> 1N cannot be converted to Pond: Unknown unit 'Pond'
May 02 15:56:26 <RST38h> ~convert 1 newton to pound
May 02 15:56:28 <infobot> 1 newton cannot be converted to pound: conformability error
May 02 15:56:48 <jacekowski> ~convert 1N to Pound
May 02 15:56:49 <infobot> 1N cannot be converted to Pound: Unknown unit 'Pound'
May 02 15:56:53 <jacekowski> ~convert 1N to lbf
May 02 15:56:54 <infobot> 1N is approximately 0.224809 lbf
May 02 15:56:55 <Corsac> ~convert 1angstrom to lightyear
May 02 15:56:55 <dangergrrl> ~convert 1 newton to poundsforce
May 02 15:56:56 <infobot> 1angstrom is approximately 1.057e-26 lightyear
May 02 15:56:57 <infobot> 1 newton cannot be converted to poundsforce: Unknown unit 'poundsforce'
May 02 15:57:09 <RST38h> ~convert 0hz to meters
May 02 15:57:10 <infobot> 0hz cannot be converted to meters: conformability error
May 02 15:57:24 <RST38h> ~convert 45 ghz to millimeters
May 02 15:57:26 <infobot> 45 ghz cannot be converted to millimeters: Unknown unit 'ghz'
May 02 15:57:35 <RST38h> ~convert 45000 hz to meters
May 02 15:57:36 <infobot> 45000 hz cannot be converted to meters: conformability error
May 02 15:57:50 <DocScrutinizer> RST38h: that makes no sense
May 02 15:57:58 <kahless> ^^
May 02 15:58:00 <dangergrrl> i know what he is asking
May 02 15:58:01 <RST38h> stupid bot, can't evenbe crashed properly
May 02 15:58:05 <dangergrrl> he is asking wrong
May 02 15:58:36 <Jartza> yeah. he wants to know the wavelength
May 02 15:58:40 <dangergrrl> units can convert hz to wavelength if you give it the right input i think
May 02 15:58:47 <RST38h> Doc: makes perfect sense. choose a conversion that involves k/x then give the dummy x==0
May 02 15:58:57 <jacekowski> you need velocity as well
May 02 15:59:04 <RST38h> jacekowski: no.
May 02 15:59:04 <DocScrutinizer> c
May 02 15:59:08 <RST38h> c is implied
May 02 15:59:14 <DocScrutinizer> which one?
May 02 15:59:20 <DocScrutinizer> in vacuum, in water?
May 02 15:59:22 <jacekowski> RST38h: why it is?
May 02 15:59:23 <RST38h> ~convert 45000 hz to wavelength
May 02 15:59:24 <Corsac> there's only one C
May 02 15:59:24 <infobot> 45000 hz cannot be converted to wavelength: Unknown unit 'wavelength'
May 02 15:59:26 <RST38h> vacuum
May 02 15:59:39 <jacekowski> RST38h: it may be sound wavelenght
May 02 15:59:47 <jacekowski> RST38h: not electromagnetic wavelenght
May 02 15:59:52 <RST38h> jacek: it may be, but not implied
May 02 16:00:10 <dangergrrl> to humans C is implied
May 02 16:00:15 <RST38h> small c
May 02 16:00:24 <RST38h> big C stands for different things
May 02 16:00:34 <Corsac> yes, sorry
May 02 16:00:35 <DocScrutinizer> charge
May 02 16:00:43 <dangergrrl> it's 3esomething
May 02 16:00:48 <DocScrutinizer> aka Coulomb
May 02 16:01:17 <dangergrrl> 186000miles/hour
May 02 16:01:18 <RST38h> 3e8 m/s
May 02 16:01:35 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 0 degC to degF
May 02 16:01:37 <infobot> 0 degC is approximately 0 degF
May 02 16:01:42 <DocScrutinizer> hahaha
May 02 16:01:45 <dangergrrl> second
May 02 16:01:49 <RST38h> ehehe
May 02 16:01:55 <Jartza> what
May 02 16:02:07 <DocScrutinizer> ~convert 1 degC to degF
May 02 16:02:09 <infobot> 1 degC is approximately 1.8 degF
May 02 16:02:13 <RST38h> stupid, stupid bot. have to teach it BSD fortune cooke database instead
May 02 16:02:14 <dangergrrl> it's off by 32 there
May 02 16:02:15 <RST38h> ~fortune
May 02 16:02:15 <infobot> from memory, fortune is a kickass app available for Linux.  Packages are in OZ and http://frob.us/modules.php?name=Fortune lets you use fortune over the web.
May 02 16:03:26 <DocScrutinizer> well, I guess Tim will be interested...
May 02 16:04:15 <dangergrrl> i need food
May 02 16:05:09 <chem|st> dangergrrl: go hunting!
May 02 16:05:47 <dangergrrl> blue valkyrie needs food badly
May 02 16:05:57 <dangergrrl> lol
May 02 16:06:16 <dangergrrl> will sinistar run on n900?
May 02 16:08:02 <RST38h> prolly
May 02 16:08:08 <RST38h> using MAME or something
May 02 16:10:07 <dangergrrl> i hate the game but love the sound
May 02 16:10:12 <dangergrrl> it's too hard
May 02 16:10:34 <dangergrrl> don't shoot the food!
May 02 16:15:06 <Wisso> hello
May 02 16:15:14 <Wisso> i need help!!!
May 02 16:15:40 <Wisso> guys?
May 02 16:15:46 <Wisso> anyone around
May 02 16:16:52 <Sicelo_> of course :P
May 02 16:17:18 <Wisso> my n900 died
May 02 16:17:31 <Wisso> cant flash it
May 02 16:17:43 <Wisso> and cant find the hw id to cold flash it
May 02 16:19:41 <Tronic> Wisso: Battery charged?
May 02 16:19:43 <Sicelo_> 19:17 < Wisso> cant flash it
May 02 16:20:00 <Wisso> battery fully charged on another n900
May 02 16:20:01 <Sicelo_> what error is returned when you try to?
May 02 16:20:23 <Tronic> Sicelo_: Install ntpd.
May 02 16:20:28 <Wisso> when i connect the usb cable to makes a sound that its connected then another sound that its disconnected
May 02 16:20:43 <Sicelo_> Tronic: ?
May 02 16:20:54 <Tronic> Sicelo_: Your RTC is roughly one minute off.
May 02 16:21:08 <Wisso> the flasher keeps waiting
May 02 16:21:23 <Sicelo_> thanks Tronic :P
May 02 16:22:58 <Sicelo_> hmm, now i remember, i'm connected from a remote shell
May 02 16:23:07 <Wisso> i did flash n900s many times b4 but this time its different i dont c anything on screen
May 02 16:23:12 <visz> there seems to be quite a few spotify clients for the n900. any recommendations?
May 02 16:23:18 <Tronic> Wisso: Possibly broken USB connector?
May 02 16:23:42 <Wisso> it works perfectly on the other n900
May 02 16:24:03 <Tronic> Wisso: This is a common problem with N900 (the connector is a SMD part that detaches from the circuit board) and often it can be partially broken before detaching entirely.
May 02 16:25:14 <Wisso> Tronic: this doesnt mean that the phone screen doesnt show anything when i press U connect the usb cable and put on the battery... i dont c the usb icon or the nokia logo
May 02 16:25:32 <cityLights> dangergrrl: I think its my own problem
May 02 16:25:35 <Wisso> nothing
May 02 16:25:56 <cityLights> I need to design it to close one loop before taking another sleep
May 02 16:26:50 <Wisso> i want to cold flash it but cant find the hw id anywhere
May 02 16:27:36 <Wisso> it just says Type:RX-51 made in korea...IMEI...code..FCC ID and IC
May 02 16:27:39 <Wisso> no hw id
May 02 16:28:38 <dangergrrl> cityLights: sleep is oneshot you need at least a linked list in the wakeup to start the next one
May 02 16:29:23 <dangergrrl> Wisso: the imei is what you need for the nokia firmware download site iirc
May 02 16:29:41 <cityLights> correct
May 02 16:30:11 <cityLights> let me describe my issue
May 02 16:30:17 <Wisso> dangergrrl: i know that, i have the latest bin file
May 02 16:30:25 <Wisso> i need the hw id
May 02 16:30:32 <cityLights> I want to sleep acroding to a duration a calculate
May 02 16:30:59 <cityLights> but if I get a dbus signal I want to react then reset the sleep
May 02 16:31:16 <cityLights> shouldnt I use the gobject.timeout_add?
May 02 16:40:38 <Wisso> no one can help? :s
May 02 16:42:12 <dangergrrl> i have no clue; i needed the imei to get the bin file and needed no hw id for flasher
May 02 16:43:00 <Sicelo_> perhaps u need to explain what u need the hw id for :/
May 02 16:43:24 <Wisso> to cold flash the phone
May 02 16:44:13 <Sicelo_> ~flashing
May 02 16:44:23 <Sicelo_> :/
May 02 16:44:25 <infobot> flashing is probably http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_tablet_firmware
May 02 16:44:43 <Sicelo_> ~coldflash
May 02 16:44:43 <infobot> extra, extra, read all about it, coldflash is http://mg.pov.lt/maemo-irclog/%23maemo.2010-10-31.log.html#t2010-10-31T23:09:54 and next ~200 posts, or http://wiki.maemo.org/Updating_the_firmware/Cold_Flashing
May 02 16:44:52 <Wisso> i memorized that page
May 02 16:45:12 <pupnik> "We have to occupy this country because there are people here who are opposed to us occupying their country and are attacking our occupying troops" - Obama... wtf?
May 02 16:45:40 <Sicelo_> and have scoured the logs Wisso ?
May 02 16:46:05 <RST38h> pupnik: no big deal, just automatic excuse generator getting looped
May 02 16:46:19 <Wisso> reading the logs now
May 02 16:46:32 <Sicelo_> :)
May 02 16:47:11 <pupnik> RST38h: i guess the art of the 'debate' is to present that argument in seperate sentences, so people who read the first part don't remember it by the time they got to the second part?
May 02 16:47:46 <Wisso> sudo flasher-3.5 -c -F Desktop/PR1.3/RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin -h RX-51:2101 <<=-- where do i find the hw id thats what im looking for
May 02 16:48:06 <RST38h> pupnik: it is not a debate
May 02 16:48:32 <RST38h> pupnik: "debate" assumes that there is more than one side and each side has a voice.
May 02 16:48:49 <pupnik> sigh
May 02 17:03:46 <Wisso> *** stemosco has joined #maemo 10:13
May 02 17:03:46 <Wisso> johnx felbutss, at any point in the past, have you walked under a ladder, crossed the path of a black cat or perhaps been cursed or hexed in any way?
May 02 17:03:58 <Wisso> thats the solution i found in the logs
May 02 17:04:01 <Wisso> :\
May 02 17:05:58 <Sicelo_> good... afaik all those are just superstitions :P
May 02 17:06:56 <DocScrutinizer> Wisso: what makes you think you need to coldflash the N900? that's no standard procedure and quite usually not needed
May 02 17:07:50 <Wisso> DocScrutinizer when using the standard procedures the phone shows nothing on screen no usb logo no nokia logo nothing at all
May 02 17:08:00 <Wisso> and the flasher keeps waiting
May 02 17:08:09 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, valid point
May 02 17:08:24 <Wisso> now i tried the cold flashing worked with errors
May 02 17:08:43 <Wisso> Using serial port usb
May 02 17:08:44 <DocScrutinizer> please check your syslog on PC, about what USB devices appear there when you plug in powered-down N900
May 02 17:08:44 <Wisso> Suitable USB device not found, waiting.
May 02 17:08:44 <Wisso> USB device found found at bus bus-0, device address \\.\libusb0-0001--0x0421-0x0
May 02 17:08:44 <Wisso> 106.
May 02 17:08:44 <Wisso> Waiting for ASIC id...
May 02 17:08:44 <Wisso> Got 69 bytes.
May 02 17:08:44 <Wisso> ASIC ID:
May 02 17:08:45 <Wisso> 05 01 05 01 34 30 07 57  13 02 01 00 12 15 01 1b
May 02 17:08:45 <Wisso> 4f 8e 27 45 5c 1b a5 df  e5 5a af 24 51 31 e1 07
May 02 17:08:46 <Wisso> 3f f5 75 14 15 01 87 3b  4d cd ca f5 44 4d 24 ec
May 02 17:08:46 <Wisso> b2 ac 95 53 88 41 4f ab  cd 66 15 09 01 f7 48 8f
May 02 17:08:47 <Wisso> 28 a0 27 e5 b3
May 02 17:08:47 <Wisso> Sending 2nd image (zu bytes)... done.
May 02 17:08:48 <Wisso> Sending ping... usb_bulk_read: No error
May 02 17:09:01 <RST38h> Why are you posting this here?
May 02 17:09:10 <Wisso> sorry
May 02 17:09:12 <DocScrutinizer> pasting limited to 3 lines
May 02 17:09:19 <Wisso> had no clue
May 02 17:09:29 <Wisso> im lost guys i really need help :(
May 02 17:09:32 <Wisso> really sorry
May 02 17:09:44 <Arkenoi> damn my n900 went crazy
May 02 17:09:55 <Arkenoi> it asks me which internet connection to use
May 02 17:09:58 <Arkenoi> serveral times
May 02 17:10:18 <dangergrrl> thry do that
May 02 17:10:19 <RST38h> Probably failing to connect
May 02 17:10:20 <dangergrrl> they
May 02 17:10:22 <Arkenoi> and if i give no attention to it, it asks me that many times according to time passed
May 02 17:10:43 <Arkenoi> so i have to tap the screen until it goes away
May 02 17:10:52 <Arkenoi> MANY times
May 02 17:10:52 <dangergrrl> something failed to connect and it tries many times and queue's the requests
May 02 17:11:11 <dangergrrl> it's annoying :)
May 02 17:11:15 <Arkenoi> why the fsck does it keep stacking unsatisfied requests?
May 02 17:11:22 <Arkenoi> plain stupid
May 02 17:11:33 <Arkenoi> reminds me of firefox modal dialog
May 02 17:11:48 <Arkenoi> the most sucking and user-phobic software ever seen
May 02 17:11:58 <dangergrrl> i haven't looked but someone said that's nonfixable (ie non open) code
May 02 17:12:23 <dangergrrl> if you ssh in and kill the process it stops all of them
May 02 17:12:24 <dangergrrl> hth
May 02 17:12:59 <dangergrrl> of course you probably have not started sshd
May 02 17:19:16 <SpeedEvil> Random - is anyone aware of any more polished iris recognition code thanhttp://projectiris.co.uk/
May 02 17:20:04 <SpeedEvil> Ideally I'd like something suitable for dropping into a PC staring at a camera, and unlocs the door whenever it sees the right iris.
May 02 17:20:08 <SpeedEvil> (or left iris)
May 02 17:20:29 <RST38h> is 1/50 miss probability ok?
May 02 17:21:04 <SpeedEvil> If you mean a false negatrive rate - yes
May 02 17:21:13 <RST38h> false positive
May 02 17:21:24 <SpeedEvil> What code do you refer to?
May 02 17:21:54 <RST38h> afaik, it refers to irises (irii?) themselves
May 02 17:22:00 <SpeedEvil> No way.
May 02 17:22:05 <SpeedEvil> irides
May 02 17:22:10 <RST38h> a moment, let me check
May 02 17:22:19 <SpeedEvil> The Iris is actually stupidly unique.
May 02 17:22:29 <SpeedEvil> If you do it right - and treat it like a 2d barcode
May 02 17:23:43 <RST38h> no, can't find that source :(
May 02 17:24:45 <DocScrutinizer> Wisso: please check your PC's syslog for entries like http://paste.debian.net/115783/
May 02 17:24:46 <SpeedEvil> I have - somewhere the paper I got from the author of the technique, way back in the day.
May 02 17:24:48 <SpeedEvil> ~1994?
May 02 17:25:26 <DocScrutinizer> Wisso: showing up the very moment you plug in a powered down N900
May 02 17:28:14 <DocScrutinizer> Wisso: Product: Nokia USB ROM == hw rom (for coldflash); Product: Nokia N900 (Update mode) == NOLO loaded successfully (no need to flash it via coldflash);  Product: N900 (Storage Mode) == linux system aka maemo5 booted and your system entering mass storage mode
May 02 17:30:29 <kerio> the last one could be pc-suite mode too
May 02 17:33:48 <Wisso> its showing nothing
May 02 17:33:58 <Wisso> windows makes a sound that usb is connected
May 02 17:34:09 <Wisso> then makes a sound that a usb is disconnected
May 02 17:34:20 <Sicelo_> :O
May 02 17:34:25 <SpeedEvil> Wisso: Hav eyou tried swapping the cable?
May 02 17:34:57 <Wisso> i tried the cable on another phone
May 02 17:36:03 <Wisso> the product id is the hw id?
May 02 17:37:04 <DocScrutinizer> Wisso: when there's *nothing* then you got a real problem
May 02 17:37:24 <DocScrutinizer> or doing sth wrong on watching your syslog
May 02 17:37:43 <Wisso> where do i find the syslog under windows :o
May 02 17:38:00 <DocScrutinizer> Wisso: the >>Product: Nokia USB ROM == hw rom<< always has to show up
May 02 17:38:39 <DocScrutinizer> and sorry, I dunno nuttin about windows, for such ambitious things like coldflashing you should use a linux box anyway
May 02 17:39:05 <Sicelo_> that's what the logs say too :/
May 02 17:39:05 <Wisso> oh dear
May 02 17:39:16 <Wisso> :(
May 02 17:40:52 <Wisso> ok now i removed ovi and all cable drivers..etc
May 02 17:41:02 <Wisso> the rom is found
May 02 17:41:10 <DocScrutinizer> but honestly, what did you do to get the device in that state? what are the exact sympthoms? are you sure you nuked your NOLO so you need to coldflash? Much more likely is a hw defect, for all usual cases, as nuling NOLO isn't exactly sth that happens every day to lots of users
May 02 17:42:51 <Wisso> i did nothing
May 02 17:42:57 <Wisso> the battery died
May 02 17:43:15 <Wisso> and since 2 days iv been trying to revive it
May 02 17:43:39 <Wisso> i took a phone of my friend to recharge the bat
May 02 17:43:48 <DocScrutinizer> sounds like your USB receptacle is broken
May 02 17:44:13 <Wisso> put in the bat and it refused to turn on
May 02 17:44:20 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 02 17:44:21 <Wisso> nothing at all on screen
May 02 17:44:44 <Wisso> tried to flash it, it wouldnt show the nokia logo or the anything
May 02 17:44:48 <DocScrutinizer> what happens when you plug the charger to the powered down device?
May 02 17:45:03 <Wisso> the led is solid orange
May 02 17:45:07 <Wisso> not flashing
May 02 17:45:14 <DocScrutinizer> that's low battery
May 02 17:45:28 <Wisso> no way its fully charged
May 02 17:45:37 <DocScrutinizer> no way
May 02 17:46:17 <DocScrutinizer> that's definitely battery voltage below boot threshold, so emergency hw based charging kicked in
May 02 17:46:40 <Wisso> hmm let me try again
May 02 17:46:51 <DocScrutinizer> it should change to booting the device after some minutes
May 02 17:46:53 <SpeedEvil> won't help - you need to leave it charging
May 02 17:47:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~flatbatrecover
May 02 17:47:01 <infobot> Remove battery for 1 minute. Insert battery. Plug powered Nokia wallcharger to device. Watch steady amber. Let sit and charge. Do NOT try to boot. After 30 min, you got either a) a booted up N900, b) flashing amber which means you can boot, c) steady amber going off - in this case start over again with ~flatbatrecover
May 02 17:47:53 <Wisso> ok something changed when i recharged it
May 02 17:48:11 <Wisso> now when i plug the charger the led dont lite up
May 02 17:48:22 <Wisso> when i remove the bat it lite up solid orange
May 02 17:50:41 <Wisso> guys
May 02 17:50:55 <DocScrutinizer> Wisso: first of all: get a KNOWN GOOD FULLY CHARGED battery
May 02 17:51:19 <Wisso> all i need to know is how to find the hw id, if it doesnt work ill smach this phone tonight
May 02 17:51:20 <Wisso> :(
May 02 17:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> whatever your problem is, you git another one by your flat battery now, so diagnosing it is impossible
May 02 17:52:18 <DocScrutinizer> and flashing as well is impossible with flat battery
May 02 17:53:02 <DocScrutinizer> you might even have destroyed the bootloader by your attemt to fix a non existing problem by coldflashing
May 02 17:54:01 <DocScrutinizer> you can recover from all that (modulo hw defects like broken USB) but first of all you need a proper *battery* to start with
May 02 17:54:04 <Wisso> its not the battery for christ sake
May 02 17:54:11 <Wisso> i tested it on the other phone
May 02 17:54:17 <DocScrutinizer> well, then you're on your own
May 02 17:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> obviously you're more competent than me
May 02 17:56:24 <Sicelo_> :/ omg
May 02 18:20:08 * DocScrutinizer wonders if there are other ways than a) reading out cat /proc/cpuinfo  b) disassembling device and look at mobo  c) access internal Nokia device db with ser#, to get the hw revision aka id
May 02 18:20:13 <Arkenoi> oh shi..
May 02 18:20:19 <Arkenoi> it keeps asking!
May 02 18:20:27 <Arkenoi> "disconnect or change connection"
May 02 18:20:41 <Arkenoi> it enters this mode for no apparent reason
May 02 18:20:50 <DocScrutinizer> ICD2 fsckd up?
May 02 18:23:40 <DocScrutinizer> btw maybe wisso had some point in that a broken NOLO also could cause steady amber LED. But then otoh I don't feel like messing around with coldflashing unless prior check of what the device actually says in PC syslog, so you at least have a marginal clue what's really going on
May 02 18:23:52 <DocScrutinizer> meh, he's gone so nevermind
May 02 18:24:13 <Sicelo_> ~otoh
May 02 18:24:14 <infobot> methinks otoh is On The Other Hand.  It's YAFA.
May 02 18:24:31 <Sicelo_> ~yafa
May 02 18:24:31 <infobot> rumour has it, yafa is Yet Another Freakin Acronym.
May 02 18:26:03 <DocScrutinizer> never heard of NOLO going pooof by somebody "did nothing"
May 02 18:27:42 <DocScrutinizer> and when sb is telling me "f it doesnt work ill smach this phone tonight" and "its not the battery for christ sake" I tend to spend my time with somebody else asking better questions, like "how can I make sure the battery is ok?"
May 02 18:28:38 <kerio> why does the other kind of flashing exist?
May 02 18:30:29 <DocScrutinizer> coldflashing?
May 02 18:30:45 <kerio> no, hotflashing
May 02 18:31:01 <DocScrutinizer> coldflashing is for flashing a new NOLO only
May 02 18:31:06 <kerio> ooh
May 02 18:31:31 <DocScrutinizer> in case you really managed to nuke it
May 02 18:31:43 <DocScrutinizer> which is rather unlikely
May 02 18:33:02 <DocScrutinizer> and hotflashing is to flash rootfs etc and can be done via NOLO (only?)
May 02 18:33:50 <DocScrutinizer> hotflashing == normal flashing of fiasco img
May 02 18:34:41 <DocScrutinizer> it's nolo that detects the held u-key and displays the USB icon on NOKIA screen
May 02 18:35:26 <DocScrutinizer> first thing that NOLO does when loading is to kick the vibra and display the NOKIA without backlight
May 02 18:35:59 <DocScrutinizer> then enum to USB afaik
May 02 18:36:20 <DocScrutinizer> then check for u key
May 02 18:37:01 <DocScrutinizer> ooh I forgot, first of all NOLO checks battery voltage and decides if further charging is needed
May 02 18:37:23 <DocScrutinizer> if so, you can't even enter flashing mode
May 02 18:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> that's why you NEED a completely charged battery for flashing
May 02 18:39:08 <DocScrutinizer> as NOLO will try to enter linux/maemo in act_dead mode, to charge, if ever battery voltage is considered too low for proper flashing. If that booting into maemo fails, you got a nice bootloop that will further DEPLETE your battery
May 02 18:40:35 <DocScrutinizer> of course if NOLO is nuked, there's no charging either - so coldflashing is likely to fail and you can't restore NOLO
May 02 18:41:18 <DocScrutinizer> that's why I said this guy shall make damn sure he got a KNOWN GOOD battery
May 02 18:42:10 <DocScrutinizer> as coldflashing probably will fail silently when battery too low. Will drive you nuts
May 02 18:49:13 <Arkenoi> appears that repetitive "disconnect or change connection" dialogs also drain battery as hell
May 02 18:49:42 <DocScrutinizer> you bet
May 02 18:50:14 <DocScrutinizer> dunno what that might mean. Maybe wrong password or sth like that?
May 02 18:50:36 <Arkenoi> nope
May 02 18:50:46 <Arkenoi> it is *already* connected to some network
May 02 18:50:50 <Arkenoi> and still keeps asking
May 02 18:50:51 <DocScrutinizer> what's your supposed connection?
May 02 18:50:58 <Arkenoi> does not matter
May 02 18:51:04 <Arkenoi> it started today on 3g
May 02 18:51:14 <Arkenoi> and then continued when i entered wifi
May 02 18:51:17 <DocScrutinizer> well, it does somehow - wlan or gprs?
May 02 18:51:25 <Arkenoi> both, no difference
May 02 18:51:29 <DocScrutinizer> ooh and both have same effect?
May 02 18:51:35 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 02 18:51:35 <Arkenoi> yep
May 02 18:51:45 <Arkenoi> i rebooted and it is ok now
May 02 18:51:57 <Arkenoi> but it is not the fist time it behaves like that
May 02 18:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I've seen a faintly similar problem when sth messed up my dhcp settings so despite 3G was well and running, I couldn't ping
May 02 18:53:00 <DocScrutinizer> had to reboot to fix it iirc
May 02 18:53:10 <DocScrutinizer> mere recnnect didn't help
May 02 18:53:25 <DocScrutinizer> my settings are to never ask
May 02 18:53:40 <DocScrutinizer> so maybe your issue is same, just for you it asks
May 02 19:00:02 <DocScrutinizer> o/ DrGrov
May 02 19:00:10 <DrGrov> Hi DocScrutinizer
May 02 19:02:23 <e-yes> i removed battery for few seconds (i've changed sim card), datetime was reseted to 0 (1 Jan 1970). Is it ok??
May 02 19:04:14 <e-yes> luckly, ntp is supported well in android.
May 02 19:04:47 <Sicelo_> so what device is this e-yes ?
May 02 19:04:58 <e-yes> but it's annoying (if it's by "hw design") anyway
May 02 19:05:01 <e-yes> Sicelo_, n90
May 02 19:05:05 <e-yes> err n900
May 02 19:05:47 <kerio> well it's supposed to resist at least for 30 seconds
May 02 19:05:55 <kerio> but the internal batteries are crap
May 02 19:06:01 <Sicelo_> more htat 70% nokia models lose time quickly
May 02 19:06:12 <kerio> at least the n900 has ntp
May 02 19:06:17 <Sicelo_> /s/htat/than
May 02 19:07:33 <e-yes> that sucks. especially for not so cheap device :(
May 02 19:11:16 <mer_ge> hey. where do I have to put backup files in order for the standard backup app to find it?
May 02 19:11:28 <Sicelo_> u can enable automatic time update if your mobile operator supports it e-yes
May 02 19:13:47 <mer_ge> I have my backed-up files in MyDocs/Backup and can't open them with "Backup"... Do I have to put them somewhere special?
May 02 19:14:06 <Sicelo_> ~backup
May 02 19:14:07 <infobot> somebody said backup was described at http://www.handhelds.org/handhelds-faq/filesystems.html
May 02 19:14:58 <e-yes> Sicelo_, ntp is ok (for me), at least it works. not only in maemo. and regardless it's supported by operator or not.
May 02 19:15:00 <Sicelo_> hmm.. infobot needs help there
May 02 19:15:20 <Sicelo_> of course e-yes :)
May 02 19:16:18 <e-yes> however, good idea to check if it work with ofono and time-plugin :)
May 02 19:16:26 <ShadowJK> "backups"
May 02 19:17:08 <ShadowJK> not "Backup"
May 02 19:19:03 <mer_ge> MyDocs/backups doens work either. I have these zip-files, is that correct?
May 02 19:21:39 <mer_ge> or do I have to unzip them on my PC, copy them over again and move them around manually on the phone?
May 02 19:21:50 <mer_ge> that would be overkill
May 02 19:25:12 <mer_ge> hm. somebody has to know how to restore from a backup...
May 02 19:34:16 <DocScrutinizer> restore with backup app ->restore
May 02 19:35:57 <DocScrutinizer> e-yes: I offered to try and get replacement backup batteries if enough other people join. The LiIon cells used in N900 (and Openmoko FR) are known to have >80% defect after only 12 months
May 02 19:36:28 <DocScrutinizer> my suggested replacement is another technology that's supposed to be way more rugged
May 02 19:37:21 <DocScrutinizer> alas the component is like 1$ while shipping is 20$
May 02 19:42:12 <DocScrutinizer> so I'd offer to manage an order if 29 other people like to order one for 3$ which is my expense for ordering and forwarding
May 02 19:42:21 <DocScrutinizer> 19, not 29
May 02 22:42:30 * DocScrutinizer wonders why it's such a strange feeling to see the own post for 3 hours
May 02 22:43:49 <DocScrutinizer> ~botsnack
May 02 22:43:50 <infobot> DocScrutinizer: thanks
May 02 22:43:56 <DocScrutinizer> ~cookie
May 02 22:43:57 * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds zip 27910... Ahoskie Hertford NC
May 02 22:44:06 <DocScrutinizer> ~cookie
May 02 22:44:08 * infobot spins the wheel of knowledge and ponders... weathercode camilo daza... SKCC located in Colombia 07-56N. Also see Cucuta
May 02 22:44:24 <DocScrutinizer> ~cookie
May 02 22:44:25 * infobot pulls out the cookie jar and finds airport tsa... The code for the airport in: Taipei (Domestic ?), Taiwan
May 02 22:44:56 <DocScrutinizer> incredible amounts of junk factoids
May 02 22:45:00 <DocScrutinizer> ~cookie
May 02 22:45:01 <infobot> Hey docscrutinizer, apache-dev is the apache webserver development kit. ; see(apache ; apache-common ; apache-doc ; apache-ssl)
May 02 22:46:35 <DocScrutinizer> ~listkeys zip
May 02 22:46:37 <infobot> Factoid search of 'zip' by key (21 of 42422): zip 13411 ;; zip 15032 ;; zip 16410 ;; zip 20710 ;; zip 2148 ;; zip 21713 ;; zip 23430 ;; zip 31024 ;; zip 39047 ;; zip 4417 ;; zip 44317 ;; zip 45671 ;; zip 48170 ;; zip 50585 ;; zip 544 ;; zip 54664 ;; zip 55052 ;; zip 56453 ;; zip 62359 ;; zip 66611 ;; zip 68003.
May 02 22:47:57 <alterego> bored?
May 02 22:48:04 <DocScrutinizer> terribly
May 02 22:49:08 <DocScrutinizer> ~listkeys weathercode
May 02 22:49:10 <infobot> Factoid search of 'weathercode' by key (11 of 11705): weathercode adisumarmo ;; weathercode beaufort ;; weathercode bella coola ;; weathercode daua ;; weathercode dbbk ;; weathercode edma ;; weathercode el salvador. ;; weathercode fort chipewyan ;; weathercode frelighsburg ;; weathercode funchal ;; weathercode gunnison.
May 02 22:49:44 <DocScrutinizer> ~listkeys airport
May 02 22:49:46 <infobot> Factoid search of 'airport' by key (18 of 1802): airport agu ;; airport bfd ;; airport cae ;; airport cdg ;; airport fez ;; airport goi ;; airport gpt ;; airport gtn ;; airport hts ;; airport ios ;; airport jnb ;; airport khh ;; airport khv ;; airport kij ;; airport mel ;; airport orh ;; airport pmv ;; airport pto.
May 02 22:50:17 <DocScrutinizer> ooh, really not that many - probably not more airports :-P
May 02 22:50:50 <alterego> You going to san fran?
May 02 22:51:07 <DocScrutinizer> no money to spend for such fun
May 02 22:51:16 <alterego> Ah well
May 02 22:51:36 <DocScrutinizer> a pity
May 02 22:51:51 <alterego> Yeah, I managed to get sponsorship thankfully
May 02 22:52:05 <DocScrutinizer> no creditcard here :-P
May 02 22:52:10 <alterego> Heh
May 02 22:52:54 <DocScrutinizer> the concept of credit cards isn't that popular in Europe as it is in US
May 02 22:53:46 <alterego> Indeed
May 02 22:54:38 <DocScrutinizer> actually gan talked me into applying for sponsorship, when I noticed a CC is mandatory
May 02 22:59:44 <DocScrutinizer> well, I couldn't contribute anyway, nor profit except from joy to meet some of you. So probably whoever got that sponsorship instead of me was the better choice, no doubt
May 02 23:00:27 <FIQ|n900> um
May 02 23:00:31 <FIQ|n900> wait a minute
May 02 23:00:42 <alterego> Yeah, my first conf
May 02 23:01:01 <FIQ|n900> am i supposed to succeed with installing things from Ovi directly from terminal?
May 02 23:01:04 <alterego> I never made it to any of the maemo ones before or the meego dublin one last year :/
May 02 23:01:11 <FIQ|n900> or does Nokia's antipiracy thing fail?
May 02 23:01:15 <DocScrutinizer> FIQ|n900: no
May 02 23:01:26 <FIQ|n900> (it's a free thing atm, but still)
May 02 23:01:41 <FIQ|n900> Then, I suppose that Nokia really looks up how it blocks things
May 02 23:02:00 <DocScrutinizer> FIQ|n900: you maybe got a '(un/back)patched' apt
May 02 23:02:21 <FIQ|n900> could be ^
May 02 23:02:44 <DocScrutinizer> ask MohammadAG, he knows details
May 02 23:02:47 <FIQ|n900> but for gods sake, why place a antipiracy block _clientside_?
May 02 23:03:17 <DocScrutinizer> I've never been interested in OVI crap so didn't bother on those apt crippling and how to decripple it again
May 02 23:03:27 <DocScrutinizer> lol
May 02 23:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, why? maybe because OVI sucks by design?
May 02 23:04:29 <alterego> We don't have any drm
May 02 23:04:41 <alterego> And they thought the easy way would be better :)
May 02 23:04:45 <alterego> They were wrong
May 02 23:04:52 <alterego> g'night folks
May 02 23:04:57 <FIQ|n900> night
May 02 23:05:14 <DocScrutinizer> it doesn't matter for all I can tell, as there's plain nuttin on OVI anyway
May 03 00:19:36 * GeneralAntilles doesn't know why he always has such amazing amounts of trouble getting Ubuntu USB flash drives booting.
May 03 00:20:44 <14WAA642U> Anyone have any success tethering the n900 with Bluetooth via T-Mobile on Ubuntu Natty?
May 03 00:20:52 <14WAA642U> It seems b0rked to me.
May 03 00:21:13 <ds3> tethering works fine with almost anything
May 03 00:21:24 <14WAA642U> I have the mobile connection set up and am connected to the N900 via bluetooth, but the mobile internet connection doesn't show up in my network list.
May 03 00:24:35 <ds3> *shrug* I use commandline when possible
May 03 01:03:37 * GeneralAntilles stabs the laptop.
May 03 01:03:45 <GeneralAntilles> How can it be so hard to boot a freaking USB flash drive?
May 03 02:02:46 <Toba> are there any strace or equivalent tools available to run on the n900? I can only seem to find info about how to do it in scratchbox.
May 03 02:03:07 <Toba> I'm dealing with a situation where one of the apps I develop is crashing and little to no information is available about why
May 03 02:20:04 <ShadowJK> If you enable sdk tools repo on your n900 you can apt-get install strace
May 03 02:20:49 <DocScrutinizer> Toba: http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5
May 03 02:21:49 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/Documentation/devtools/maemo5/strace
May 03 02:23:37 <DocScrutinizer> Toba: also - for your convenience - http://maemo.cloud-7.de/repositories.install
May 03 02:24:19 <DocScrutinizer> on your own peril
May 03 02:25:27 <DocScrutinizer> http://wiki.maemo.org/User:Joerg_rw/tools
May 03 02:44:04 <GAN900> Quick poll: How would you write kilobits per seconds?
May 03 02:52:57 <Toba> hm
May 03 02:53:03 <Toba> peril, i like the sound of that
May 03 02:53:26 * ShadowJK wonders if it's kb/s or kB/s
May 03 02:54:37 <Toba> kilobits is kb/s
May 03 02:54:41 <Toba> kilobytes is kB/s
May 03 02:54:47 <Toba> bigger is bigger, aye
May 03 02:54:56 <ShadowJK> i'd write kbit/s to avoid confusion
May 03 02:55:10 <DocScrutinizer> Toba: the installation of additional catalogs/repos is somewhat married to mentioning peril and such things
May 03 02:55:33 <Toba> I've already got fremantle
May 03 02:55:39 <Toba> how much more peril should I expect, ratio wise
May 03 02:55:47 <Toba> I'm ok with up to 50% more peril
May 03 02:56:28 <DocScrutinizer> actually there's not much peril in the installation of the tools repo
May 03 02:56:46 <DocScrutinizer> esp if you don't keep it enabled all the time
May 03 02:57:24 <ShadowJK> as long as you dont do stupid stuff like "apt-get upgrade", or answer yes when apt-get warns you're about to do something dangerous
May 03 02:57:36 <DocScrutinizer> but you should check for doublettes if you clicked my installfile
May 03 02:58:37 <DocScrutinizer> ham will happily install a catalog 10 times, when you got 10 install files with different names for the catalog
May 03 02:58:59 <DocScrutinizer> and will update it ten times ;-D
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