**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Tue May 03 02:59:58 2011 May 03 04:17:53 probably dumb question.. and old news.. but I've been busy.. nokia is completely dropping all present/future maemo/meego development? and there are no meego phones in development? May 03 04:19:33 i saw the original announcement from the microsoft lacky... but wasnt sure if I was understanding the corprateese correctly.. May 03 04:19:59 d-1337: If you are talking of events many months ago, no, Nokia is not dropping MeeGo and apparently they are even planning Maemo 6. May 03 04:20:53 N950 has been mentioned (albeit the product is likely released with another name), and also that one MeeGo phone would be released this year. May 03 04:21:23 that is great news May 03 04:21:36 There is also stockholder meeting today and Nokia will likely release some new information there. May 03 04:21:40 i guess it has been a few months May 03 04:21:50 :/ May 03 04:22:04 Symbian will be dropped and there is no turning back on that, apparently. May 03 04:25:05 btw.. what one meego phone? please feel free to point me in the right direction for a web link May 03 04:25:44 any news on expected release dates? May 03 04:27:08 symbian's not really a massive loss imo, but who's to know how messed up their new meego phone might be :/ May 03 04:28:52 sorry i am behind.. why would it not be at least as good as the n900 with a faster processor? May 03 04:30:55 d-1337: Because Maemo has been developed far and the threw a lot of that away when MeeGo was started. May 03 04:31:23 The open-source version of MeeGo is currently not very promising. May 03 04:31:41 Nokia might have something much better that isn't released, of course. May 03 04:31:51 oh :( May 03 04:34:09 The current plan (announced by Intel IIRC) is to prioritize getting MeeGo running well on N900 so that more people would use it, but they specifically stated that this means less features (which I think is always the way to go). May 03 04:34:34 So, release early (make it work), release often (keep adding features). May 03 04:35:31 Intel should sponsor someone to build arm hardware so people can try out meego May 03 04:35:43 that is certainly the way to go May 03 04:35:45 d-1337: Another thing you might be interested on is that a number of other companies have shown interest on MeeGo. I think LG was going to release several phones and other devices. May 03 04:36:20 did meego end up using the deb or rpm package handling? May 03 04:37:00 RPM. May 03 04:37:11 Not yum but some other system (written in C++ IIRC). May 03 04:37:29 (which is good because yum is totally crap *and* slow) May 03 04:38:13 i should not that my n900's connection to the sim card is flaking out lately.. which is why this is all such a pressing issue for me now May 03 04:38:24 not=note May 03 04:39:04 d-1337: Are you out of warranty already? May 03 04:39:28 yep.. been 1.5 years May 03 04:39:38 Too bad :/ May 03 04:39:49 tell me about it May 03 04:40:19 Btw, doesn't Nokia have two year warranty? May 03 04:40:59 could of sworn I read 1 year.. but I will double check May 03 04:41:15 However, Nokia recently began warranty replacing N900 with brand new N8 (you get full retail package and new two year warranty). May 03 04:41:46 an n8 hardly seems like a replacement May 03 04:41:57 You need to specifically request for N900, then you will get a new N900 but no package and no warranty extension. May 03 04:42:08 ah May 03 04:42:40 thanks for that info May 03 04:42:56 meego is using zypper instead of yum May 03 04:42:58 However, you can also accept the N8 and sell it for about 370 €, then buy a used N900 for 165-200 €. May 03 04:43:30 I wanted the avoid the hassle of doing the trading myself and requested Nokia for a new N900. May 03 04:44:16 wmarone: Thanks, couldn't remember the name. Do you know if it is any good? May 03 04:44:33 haven't tried using it on my N900 yet May 03 04:44:40 How about desktop? May 03 04:44:45 (or server) May 03 04:45:03 you can try openSuSE, since that's the default package manager May 03 04:45:31 I guess I could try that a virtual machine. May 03 04:45:34 +on May 03 04:46:41 yeah, that's how I run most Linux installs these days May 03 04:49:04 hmm.. it does say 1 year. I'm in the US.. perhaps the 2 year is a european thing ;/ May 03 04:51:18 there is a phone number listed there.. I'll give it a try tomorrow and see what happens May 03 04:53:00 looks like I might buy another.. there isnt any competition for it yet.. and I couldnt handle taking a step back May 03 04:57:38 tronic: thanks for answering my questions. good night May 03 05:23:06 hmm...for some reason my n900 couldn't get an internet connection while I was traveling to work...when I picked it from the network chooser it just instantly said that it failed to connect. I tried to switch between offline and normal mode, 3G/GSM/Dual and even reboot the device to no avail May 03 05:23:25 now that I got to work, I just put it to charge and it works as it's supposed to and immediately connected o_o May 03 05:24:49 but I've never had that happen before like that I think... it had a low battery though. is there some reason why it wouldn't connect because of that? May 03 05:26:29 i had that happen a few days ago too, just couldn't get a connection while i was on my way from work to home May 03 05:26:42 also, my sim card is kinda loose May 03 05:27:45 hmm...I wonder if mine is loose or dirty May 03 05:27:51 but it works now :) May 03 05:31:23 Why is it that ever Ubuntu update invariably breaks wake from sleep. May 03 05:35:12 Because it's Linux. May 03 05:48:07 do you set a HDD standby time for your laptop? May 03 05:49:38 lol ssd May 03 05:50:11 "We have to occupy this country because there are people here who are opposed to us occupying their country and are attacking our occupying troops." May 03 05:51:11 pupnik: you said that yesterday May 03 05:51:38 thanks kerio May 03 06:49:15 anyone know what compilers will run on a maemo device? is there a list online somewhere? May 03 06:50:14 I think in general whatever linux supports. If there isn't a compiler made, you can probably either port it across, etc May 03 06:51:33 psycho_oreos: ok, because I think Tiny C should be able run on a N900, just wondering if anyone programs on the device here May 03 06:53:45 arquebus, never heard of tiny C, there's people that do program stuff here. Also you don't have to compile everything on N900, there's scratchbox which can do just that May 03 06:54:40 on my other omap3 device i run gcc arquebus May 03 06:54:59 psycho_oreos: its a nice lightweight C compiler. May 03 06:55:45 pupnik- If Nokia had any brains, they would make a netbook that runs Maemo with an ARM processor instead of their booklet 3G that runs win7 May 03 06:56:43 i need help quickly May 03 06:56:51 And if the people at OPC had brains, they also would use an ARM processor to run Maemo linux instead of x86 May 03 06:56:53 we can't read minds here May 03 06:56:57 received sms disappears May 03 06:57:00 maybe you should be in charge of everything @ nokia arquebus May 03 06:57:19 could be issue with eMMC May 03 06:57:21 Tronic: i haven't seen that problem May 03 06:57:21 i get notification fo the message but no messages in messaging app May 03 06:57:31 except some older ones May 03 06:57:41 Appiah- yes I should be, but I guess everyone likes heavy x86 netbooks that run Windows *sigh* May 03 06:57:43 Eh... Personally, an arm chip's fine for a phone, but if I want a 7+inch tablet, it better have a full x86 processor. May 03 06:58:05 I mean, arm's just not powerful enough, nor is it compatible with old games. May 03 06:58:25 i also somehow managed to re-receive the missing messages one of which contains a code i desperately need May 03 06:58:26 then intel's offerings are for you May 03 06:58:30 arm is for other peopl May 03 06:58:54 robbiethe1st: I can understand what youre saying, I want my netbooks to run full Linux and winXP, but I would ALSO like a lighter micro ARM based netbook May 03 06:59:02 but i was stupid enough to close the window and now it is missing again May 03 06:59:22 but i was stupid enough to close the window and now it is missing again May 03 06:59:30 why a netbook? May 03 06:59:38 But, to be honest, you ought to be able to do both. I don't see why you couldn't put a low-end atom in a ipad-type device May 03 06:59:38 a Meego/Maemo tablet is what you want May 03 06:59:42 might need to be slightly thicker May 03 06:59:42 any ideas on how to trigger re-receiving May 03 06:59:47 and I heard Meego tablet is gonna happen May 03 07:00:06 Sc0rpius: no, I want a real keyboard, not type on the screen May 03 07:00:25 arquebus: Compaq TC1100. That's what you should want May 03 07:00:27 then why Maemo and not real Linux like you can have today (a netbook with Ubuntu) May 03 07:00:37 Transformer, with a removable keyboard May 03 07:00:48 Want a netbook? sure. Want a tablet? also sure. May 03 07:00:59 yeah but a super light netbook not gonna happen May 03 07:01:06 you want super light stuff? get a tablet May 03 07:01:11 you want keyboard? get a netbook May 03 07:01:19 you can't have both in the same device May 03 07:01:34 n900-type slider tablet? May 03 07:01:46 that would be terribly ugly and heavy May 03 07:01:47 robbiethe1st: thats close, but I want a permant keyboard and ARM processor May 03 07:01:56 the N900 is already heavy with 4.5" May 03 07:02:06 a 10" N900 would be a disaster heh May 03 07:02:14 why the ARM May 03 07:02:21 Intel Atom > ARM May 03 07:02:33 Personally, I want something like a 7" n900 with full 1280x720 screen. May 03 07:02:35 Sc0rpius: it uses less power, but is still fast, ARM is the future May 03 07:02:55 I'm not sure about that and ARM is already old ... May 03 07:03:12 ARM tablets can barely go to 8 hours May 03 07:03:16 arquebus: Have you ever tried running actual calculations on it? It's good for simple instructions, but floating point just /sucks/ May 03 07:03:22 I want Nokia to make something like this: http://www.crunchgear.com/2009/08/27/sharp-japan-announces-ubuntu-powered-touchscreen-netwalker/ May 03 07:03:23 and netbooks with Atom are already at 6 hours running full Windows May 03 07:03:54 robbiethe1st: that may be true, but its good enough for light tasks May 03 07:03:59 if an iPhone were fully multitasking its battery would last like... 1 hour May 03 07:04:34 N900 manages at least two with proc maxed. around 4 at heavy useage, and 6-8 of internet browsing May 03 07:05:21 Sc0rpius: thats because the iPhone is too small, at netbook size it would be fine at multitasking May 03 07:05:27 since I have a netbook AND a tablet, no complains from me :) May 03 07:05:48 two different devices for two totally different purposes May 03 07:06:14 and I'd definitely buy a Meego tablet. May 03 07:06:33 and I'd never buy a Meego netbook May 03 07:06:57 If I could flash Maemo to that Sharp handheld I linked to, then I have netbook power that fits in my pocket May 03 07:07:14 what? May 03 07:07:20 Just use Ubuntu? May 03 07:07:22 when you talk about power consumption, the reality is that 2/3s of it are from screen May 03 07:07:26 that thing runs Ubuntu!! May 03 07:07:36 flasing Maemo to it would be a hell of a DOWNGRADE May 03 07:07:38 which means you really need to spend on optimizing your displaying strategy May 03 07:07:55 ab: Or, just throw in a larger battery May 03 07:08:08 robbiethe1st: I wont even use Ubuntu on my desktop, its a slug and always freezes on me, I use Mint only now May 03 07:08:27 robbiethe1st, this is where the progress is the slowest of all parts May 03 07:08:30 arq: You know Mint is just Ubuntu with a different theme? May 03 07:08:36 and a couple extra packages May 03 07:08:36 lol May 03 07:08:36 I'm typing in an xchat that runs on Ubuntu right now and it has never ever froze on me May 03 07:09:10 Scorcerer: Im sure that Maemo would use a lot less resources and power than Ubuntu, Ubuntu is too slow for an Atom powered netbook May 03 07:09:13 Aand the fact that it runs Ubuntu means you could just grab the Mint themes and install em... Or go back to Debian and custom-install an optinized version May 03 07:09:18 for example, I have this nice NotionInk Adam tablet with PixelQi screen that is 5x times more power effective than ipad2's one. It does indeed live on the battery for about 20 hours without any problems May 03 07:09:40 for heavy 'angry birds' use :) May 03 07:09:41 you can make Ubuntu use less resources, it's not like Maemo and Ubuntu are totally different things... they are the same OS. May 03 07:09:43 never seen the notionInk ab - hows the readability in sun/? May 03 07:09:45 Scorcerer: well youre lucky, the desktop constantly froze on me install after install May 03 07:10:09 pupnik, brilliant. A bit bleaker than Kindle but very much better than any LCD/OLED May 03 07:10:11 Sc0rpius: please don't call Maemo and Ubuntu the same OS May 03 07:10:13 arq: Not unless you've got a good GPU. Tried installing it(mer) on a x86 tablet(1.5ghz Pentium M) without a real GPU ... It ran at literally 1fps. May 03 07:10:26 technically the OS is just ONE and ONLY ONE: Linux. May 03 07:10:38 Sc0rpius: Wrong. May 03 07:10:42 Linux is the /kernel/ May 03 07:10:47 Maemo is a Linux with things arranged different than Ubuntu, that's all. Both are based on another arrangement called Debian May 03 07:10:52 and as you know, arrangements are called distros May 03 07:11:00 ab- I just looked up that NotionLink, that looks good May 03 07:11:14 Linux is not a kernel. A linux kernel, is a kernel of Linux May 03 07:11:33 ab any chance that transflective mfgr will get onto more devices May 03 07:11:42 No, Linux is the kernel. GNU/Linux is the OS. May 03 07:11:50 GNU toolkit on top of the Linux kernel. May 03 07:12:14 Sc0rpius: there are huge differences in RAM use between distros, compare Fedora to DSL Linux May 03 07:12:31 everything that runs on a Linux kernel is a Linux by definition and you can even read that in Wikipedia May 03 07:12:38 arquebus, you can make your own distribution like that May 03 07:12:44 you don't need a whole new one to do that May 03 07:12:52 you can "rearreange" your distro May 03 07:13:01 And wikipedia's always right? Give me a break. Go ask Linus Torvalds or Richard Stallman. May 03 07:13:01 Linux (commonly play /ˈlɪnəks/ LIN-əks in English,[5][6] also pronounced /ˈlɪnʊks/ LIN-ooks[7] in Europe) refers to the family of Unix-like computer operating systems using the Linux kernel. May 03 07:13:21 pupnik, I really hope this happens. Unfortunately, current lead time for PixelQi screens is several months for small orders. I had to wait about 2 months before my tablet was made and that was already after they secured a build of PixelQi for about a month May 03 07:13:22 Linus Torvalds in not an eminence, actually, he's a moron (if you have ever met him) May 03 07:13:33 I'd ask Andrew Tannenbaum actually May 03 07:13:49 pupnik, PixelQi's promise was to do real mass-production in Q4 2011 May 03 07:13:50 It's his kernel. He's got his name on at least half the commits, for better or worse May 03 07:13:52 Sc0rpius: ok, well it depends on the windowing toolkit too, major differences between them May 03 07:15:03 ab: can you compare it to n810 and n900 transflective performance? May 03 07:15:15 pupnik, better, for sure. I have all of those. May 03 07:15:25 but why Maemo? if you're lazy there are a lot of Linux distros already optimized for netbooks that really save the battery use May 03 07:15:28 pupnik, especially to n900, in direct sunlight May 03 07:15:43 yeah i found best direct sunlight so far from e71 and n810 May 03 07:16:10 like (hehehe) Easy Peasy May 03 07:17:02 or wattOS May 03 07:17:32 wattOS is a lightweight Linux operating system remastered from the core Ubuntu Linux build. It is a free operating system that focuses on a small footprint, low power, and a simple quick interface. May 03 07:17:50 way too many option May 03 07:17:52 options May 03 07:18:24 pupnik, e71 is a good compromise, yes. May 03 07:19:25 I'd run Win7 on a netbook anyway, like I already do :P May 03 07:20:32 3 to 6 hours run time and weighs 3 pounds, Im ready to leave that for an ARM netbook May 03 07:20:44 yep May 03 07:21:13 but as ab knows, the screen is the major problem May 03 07:21:26 you cannot outshine the daytime sun with a small battery May 03 07:22:32 but its worth going without backlighting to get a whole day of use May 03 07:24:16 * Sc0rpius can't live without backlight May 03 07:24:35 I wouldn't ever buy a kindle just because of that May 03 07:25:30 the reason to skip the Kindle is because of the DRM and related , not the battery May 03 07:26:00 the battery life is gorgeous, but I don't like the screen May 03 07:27:19 the eInk screen is awesome. i had three e-readers each one better than the previous one. The current one is a Sony 950, it's really great. May 03 07:27:28 ab any other comments on the NotionInk? May 03 07:28:25 pupnik, they seem to go good way in their tunings of Android. They have published their kernel on github recently and are planning for quite a nice UI uplift May 03 07:29:14 a company worthy of support, imo May 03 07:29:18 chx: does the lower contrast on the PRS units bother you? May 03 07:29:37 ds3: have you seen the latest (x50) units? May 03 07:29:57 pupnik, there seems to be healthy community with a lot of hacks around it. Rooting is allowed :) May 03 07:30:00 it's the same E Ink Pearl screen. awe-some. May 03 07:30:11 chx: no... just the 600 and it lacks contrast compared to the kindle May 03 07:30:16 yes May 03 07:30:20 pupnik, default camera software and image processing is crap :) May 03 07:30:24 that's a 2nd generation E Ink screen May 03 07:30:35 the Adam runs Android right? May 03 07:30:41 but the touch thingie doesn't help May 03 07:30:45 ab: yes an afterthought as usual May 03 07:31:33 Sc0rpius, yes. They are in discussion with google for Honeycomb and claim already ported their own apps to it May 03 07:31:40 nice May 03 07:31:46 but it already runs Froyo, wich is very nice May 03 07:32:05 in general, their menu system and three-fold leafs are better than using standard Android menu May 03 07:32:37 Sc0rpius, Gingerbread 2.3 is ought to be in update coming out today May 03 07:32:38 http://notionink.wordpress.com/2011/04/30/kernel-book-reader-new-browser-gingerbread-and-much-more/ May 03 07:32:54 nice May 03 07:33:17 and I guess there's a way to root it and install a different ROM May 03 07:33:36 yes, and still keep the primary updates possible May 03 07:34:12 the Adam definitely looks really nice May 03 07:34:14 good attitude from a bangalore startup, though they have witnessed a lot of turbulence in finance and logistics May 03 07:34:45 The future of mobile computing requires low power screens that are readable in any light. May 03 07:34:53 exactly May 03 07:34:57 yup, definitely May 03 07:35:00 http://pixelqi.com/yahoo_site_admin/assets/images/pq_screen_outside_scooter.25444832_std.jpg May 03 07:35:38 I must say I like this metallic look too, it is more "natural" to me May 03 07:36:06 you're the first notion ink owner i meet May 03 07:36:23 that's truly a high-end tablet May 03 07:37:38 yeah it's supposed to run for 16 hours May 03 07:38:07 the overall device is nice but the only thing I really like is the screen. Otherwise I'd get a Samsung Galaxy Tab 10.1. May 03 07:38:23 I've heard customer support over Notion Ink is not good. Samsung, instead, is a big company May 03 07:39:42 the galaxy tab is really thin and light May 03 07:39:47 frankly speaking, I never needed their customer support May 03 07:40:00 I knew what I went for with pre-orders from a small startup May 03 07:40:25 and I know logistics in mobile world means for securing and ordering parts in China May 03 07:40:48 how much did you wait for the device since you ordered it? May 03 07:41:16 )and excuse my terrible english) May 03 07:41:58 around 1.5 months May 03 07:42:03 not bad May 03 07:42:09 I wasn't the first one in that pre-order May 03 07:42:38 ordered mid-February, it came just day or two before my birthday in early April May 03 07:43:13 customer support should be charged by-the-hour May 03 07:43:56 as I customer I fail to see what else I need from a customer support other than fixing bugs and solving logistics/financials problems May 03 07:43:58 that would make the customer support staff help people really SLOW so they can earn more :P May 03 07:44:04 but I'm "advanced" customer :) May 03 07:44:26 well if you need to use the warranty... May 03 07:44:38 a hardware defect/problem, that's what I meant, more than software support May 03 07:46:00 yeah, for the warranty around HW problems I haven't heard any real issues with NotionInk, at least with my PO2 build May 03 07:46:14 those who had problems got them solved fast May 03 08:27:42 my n900 is being weird. its screen won't turn on. when i press the screen, it makes click-noises, and the camera will flash when i press the button. any one seen anything like this? May 03 08:32:06 have you tried turning it off and on? May 03 08:32:23 as in complete power down including removing the battery May 03 08:38:03 jacekowski: yep, tried removing the battery May 03 08:38:30 then screen may be broken May 03 08:38:32 and not working May 03 08:38:56 jacekowski: its looking something like that, i cant even get it to do the white screen when i press U on boot May 03 08:39:18 thing is that if screen is completly disconnected it's not going to boot at all May 03 08:39:39 which makes the problem strange May 03 08:40:23 jacekowski: should the component video still work? May 03 08:40:28 i don't see that working either May 03 08:49:08 and the next question becomes, how do i get my contacts out of a phone with no screen? :) May 03 08:50:09 Morning May 03 08:50:24 the unix way would be a textfile May 03 08:55:34 kdub: I plugged in a USB cable and managed to use opensync to get a folder full of vcards May 03 08:56:04 most other stuff, SyncML, BlueTooth, etc needs you to interact with the screen to much May 03 08:56:08 *too May 03 08:56:19 even a usb cable requires you to select pc suite mode May 03 08:56:20 i'm having a bit more luck with getting the screen to pop up with the component video May 03 08:56:28 aha May 03 08:56:56 that is to say, i can at least see the nokia logo from time to time May 03 08:57:13 if i can get to the main screen, i'm hoping i could transcribe everyone off manually :P May 03 08:57:21 opensync might be the way to go May 03 08:58:17 opensync is mostly deprecated in favour of syncevo, for me at least, but syncevo doesn't support usb :( May 03 09:06:03 I thought opensync replaced syncevo May 03 09:08:20 alterego: ... no May 03 09:21:21 ok, so got my contacts and photos out, phew May 03 09:22:06 phone is still alive, as in, everything works via the component output cable, but the phone screen itself is borked, won't turn on. sound like its time for a new phone then? May 03 09:22:06 good job May 03 09:22:25 No. May 03 09:22:30 You can swap the display May 03 09:22:37 kdub: Are you in the EU? May 03 09:23:19 If so, it's still under warranty May 03 09:23:25 SpeedEvil: nope. no nokia stores this side of the pond May 03 09:23:29 ah May 03 09:25:42 literally was a year to the date of purchase that this happens May 03 09:26:15 Screens cost about $40 on Ebay and about an hour total to install May 03 09:26:30 and they typically include the tools needed as well May 03 09:30:06 http://rltiles.sourceforge.net/ roguelike tiles project May 03 09:32:26 phone is still alive, as in, everything works via the component output cable, <-- composite i think you mean May 03 09:33:04 component is 3 RCA's for video May 03 10:27:08 kdub: you probably are suffering from FPC ribbon break May 03 10:30:31 kdub: had that myself May 03 10:41:58 kdub: http://www.saremi-mobilfunk.de/product_info.php/info/p4366_Original-Nokia-N900-Hinge-Slide.html May 03 10:42:01 give us a chance, so we can discover May 03 10:42:05 the most valuable ways to serve one another May 03 10:42:34 * SpeedEvil passes pupnik a book entitled 'To Serve Man'. May 03 10:43:05 * DocScrutinizer nominates pupnik for channel preacher May 03 10:46:19 kdub: http://www.ownta.com/original-nokia-n900-cell-phone-slide-flex-cable-ribbon-with-camera.html May 03 10:54:50 kdub: http://www.thenokiaparts.com/eng/tuotteet/N900-spare-parts/N900-SLIDE-FLEX-ASSY-267930 OUT-OF-STOCK May 03 10:55:41 kdub: it should May 03 11:00:42 kdub: http://www.klc.fi/fin/tuotteet/Nokia-Varaosat-N900/N900-SLIDE-FLEX-ASSY-267930 May 03 11:03:52 DocScrutinizer: thing is that if flex is broken phone wouldn't start at all May 03 11:04:01 DocScrutinizer: at least it doesn't start when it's disconnected May 03 11:04:02 hello May 03 11:07:40 jacekowski, any ideas why that's the case? May 03 11:08:37 ooh. pocketsphinx eats a lot of rootfs... May 03 11:11:58 jacekowski: mine started May 03 11:13:26 jacekowski: as there's usually only a few joints broken in that insane 3-layer b2b-plug end of the flex May 03 11:15:05 you might even be lucky to fix it by using a hot flat-iron May 03 11:15:32 moo again May 03 11:15:38 moo May 03 11:16:46 MohammadAG: seems the I2C coomunication to LCD controller breaks and that makes NOLO "segfault" May 03 11:18:35 there must be also other catches, as my AV out had strange problems as well, from distorted to no video at all May 03 11:19:28 o. May 03 11:20:44 DocScrutinizer, oh so it doesn't even START to start May 03 11:20:50 alas the LCM is poorly (not at all) documented May 03 11:20:54 I thought it fails somewhere after nolo and after loading the kernel May 03 11:21:45 MohammadAG: I dunno, as I never investigated that case. Maybe NOLO works but kernel video driver borks May 03 11:22:25 maybe it's even the cam driver or whatever May 03 11:22:36 ALS May 03 11:22:41 proxy sensor May 03 11:23:07 there's quite some possible error patterns for disconnected FPC May 03 11:24:12 DocScrutinizer, point is, if it's not nolo it can be overridden somehow May 03 11:24:21 sure May 03 11:24:44 it can even be overridden by a special NOLO if needed ;-D May 03 11:25:01 but what for? May 03 11:29:40 * DocScrutinizer sneezes a few times and wanders off May 03 11:31:34 wow May 03 11:31:35 i got spam in finnish (from china) May 03 11:31:37 gmail doesn't think i've ever had that happen before May 03 11:34:48 poorly machine translated spam i expect May 03 11:35:54 sure May 03 11:46:34 >>we offer high quality diploma. We need this infamation...<< (SIC!) May 03 11:48:12 3 idiots per months make their living I guess May 03 11:48:49 they need your inflammation May 03 11:52:18 Morning. May 03 12:27:37 hi May 03 12:28:06 Have we had any useful news from Nokia or Quim about the idea to kick the tires on some of the license change requests? May 03 12:29:05 jonwil, I assume that http://talk.maemo.org/showpost.php?p=784443&postcount=32 is still the status quo May 03 12:36:14 well the last word I had is that Quim Gill (as the Open Source guy at Nokia) was going to re-investigate the license change requests to see if any of them can be fulfilled without vast amounts of effort May 03 12:45:49 ramen + frozen vegetables May 03 12:49:37 what is the best voice recording software for n900? May 03 12:51:21 mydicto or what its named .. it works at least for me May 03 12:57:24 jonwil: andre__: Are you referring to specific changes to make all of Maemo and/or MeeGo fully open source and available to the community, even in the absence of any official support from Nokia? May 03 12:58:12 to make SPECIFIC THINGS open-source May 03 12:58:16 yes May 03 12:58:30 billmania: re-read your question May 03 12:58:42 to make specific pieces of the software open source May 03 12:58:44 who know what max up/down speed nokia n900 May 03 12:59:32 and to make the exact versions that are installed on a N900 fully updated with the nokia updater open source (and not some "future version" that is MeeGo compatible but of no use for maemo) May 03 12:59:58 ++ jonwil ... good man May 03 13:00:43 pupnik: I read my question several times before pressing "Enter". May 03 13:00:59 NGE01: via 3.5G? May 03 13:01:10 billmania, upstream meego is fully open source as far as I know May 03 13:01:11 jonwil: Your statement implies that parts of Maemo are and shall remain NOT open source? May 03 13:01:23 yes there are parts of maemo that are not open source May 03 13:01:27 plenty of parts May 03 13:01:35 billmania, and parts of maemo are not open source and it is unlikely that some of those parts of maemo ever become open source. May 03 13:01:39 NGE01: it's 10/2 on HSPA May 03 13:01:43 andre__: Thanks. That reduces my ignorance a bit. May 03 13:01:54 andre__: Thanks. That's what I was looking for. May 03 13:02:02 see http://wiki.maemo.org/Why_the_closed_packages for potential reasons May 03 13:03:14 Does this group of Maemo users and/or enthusiasts prefer a Maemo which is completely open source, even after Nokia may completely abandon Maemo, or would they prefer to move forward to a fully open source MeeGo, for the N900 or any other platform? May 03 13:03:30 andre__: Reading ... May 03 13:03:37 jacekowski, why I remember that up 5.76? May 03 13:04:14 billmania, what group? May 03 13:04:19 I wish for open source of the dozen or so parts of Maemo that I want to see opened up/be able to modify May 03 13:04:28 groups often contain of individuals that have different opinions and points of view... May 03 13:04:31 The 367 people currently idling in this IRC channel. May 03 13:04:36 haha May 03 13:04:39 I have no desire to move to another platform (MeeGo or otherwise) May 03 13:04:51 billmania, feel free to collect 367 different opinions than, I May 03 13:04:53 'd say :) May 03 13:04:56 s/than/then May 03 13:05:10 specially when we see what it meego May 03 13:05:20 s/it/is May 03 13:05:22 andre__: Only 367? I expect I'd get more than that. :-D May 03 13:05:46 I do not believe MeeGo on the N900 will ever reach feature parity with the current N900 software May 03 13:06:17 jonwil: Ah. That's useful information. May 03 13:06:21 I do not believe MeeGo will ever reach phone hardware May 03 13:06:37 You can run MeeGo right now on an N900 if you want May 03 13:06:47 Last I checked, you can even make a phone call with it May 03 13:06:47 jonwil: did you try it ? May 03 13:06:55 No I have not tried it May 03 13:06:56 yep ... you made partial phone May 03 13:07:12 and currently i'm trying to understand why wifi keep disconnecting May 03 13:07:20 khertan: Are you referring to your first-hand experience with MeeGo on your N900? May 03 13:07:35 billmania: nope the first was worse :) May 03 13:08:05 billmania: what annoy me the most about meego is the packaging system use. May 03 13:08:07 I also do not believe that using bits of MeeGo such as ofono is a viable solution on the N900 either May 03 13:08:49 at least not as things stand May 03 13:08:56 khertan: Packaging would seem to be secondary to a functional, stable OS for the N900. May 03 13:09:27 billmania: depends if you are a dev ... May 03 13:09:50 billmania: i ll probably never build any package to meego because it s more head hash than on maemo May 03 13:10:01 (which isn't a reference of simplicity) May 03 13:10:13 khertan: I am not a kernel developer. I am a Python developer. I have not created any debian packages yet, only RPMs. May 03 13:10:18 Isn't MeeGo using essentially the same packaging system as Fedora and Red Hat? May 03 13:10:39 jonwil: this is probably where i see the main problem May 03 13:11:31 billmania: I am a Python developert too. I ve try to create rpm package with relative success. But debian package are easy to product with sdist_maemo distutils extension. May 03 13:12:08 khertan: That must be why we are also carrying on a conversation in the #pyside channel? :-D May 03 13:13:02 So, if I understand correctly, the consensus appears to be that MeeGo is completely open source but currently neither fully functional nor fully stable for the N900. May 03 13:13:26 That's the state as I understand it billmania May 03 13:13:32 Maemo is a more complete and stable OS for the N900, but is not completely open source and is being abandoned by its current "owner" Nokia. May 03 13:13:36 It may be wrothhile asking #meego of their opinion. May 03 13:14:32 SpeedEvil: Agreed. Do you know how much collaboration and cooperation currently exists between the Maemo team and the MeeGo team? May 03 13:14:34 billmania: Also it is slow as hell (or was the last time I tried). May 03 13:14:56 Tronic: MeeGo on the N900 is significantly slower than Maemo on the N900? May 03 13:15:10 billmania: There is a certain antipathy in some ways - owing to history. May 03 13:15:17 billmania: Yes, due to MeeGo not being optimized at the time. They are working on that at the moment. May 03 13:15:22 Communication and transition was not well dealt with by nokia. May 03 13:16:23 billmania: the n900 de edition isn't slow like older handset edition May 03 13:16:48 billmania: at least the desktop didn't give the feeling to be slower than Maemo May 03 13:16:58 khertan: German MeeGo for N900? May 03 13:17:18 billmania: Developper Edition May 03 13:17:35 MeeGo is NOT 100% open source, at least on as N900 May 03 13:18:00 khertan: Ah. May 03 13:18:23 http://download.meego.com/live/Trunk:/non-oss:/Testing/Trunk_Testing/armv7l/ May 03 13:18:35 Thats the current closed-source bits of Meego-on-N900 May 03 13:19:23 I'm hoping that despair will set in amongst the retailers of the N900, so I can afford to buy a second or third for experimenting. May 03 13:19:56 My current N900 is now a critical tool in my arsenal and I'm apprehensive about trying various and sundry versions of Maemo or MeeGo on it. May 03 13:20:24 (Despair, causing them to drastically reduce the price.) May 03 13:20:33 jonwil: this look like as usual ... non free driver. May 03 13:20:55 jonwil: it s still less non free than maemo :) May 03 13:21:28 khertan: That statement is worthy of quoting. :-D May 03 13:21:39 If you think any of the players in the mobile GPU space are ever going to open their specs/code, I have a bridge in Manhattan to sell you :) May 03 13:21:58 billmania: :) May 03 13:22:57 jonwil: They will! May 03 13:23:13 http://opencores.org/donation,faq May 03 13:23:15 * SpeedEvil cheats. May 03 13:23:26 jonwil: i mean ... this is just some closed source driver ... it ll be better if they was free ... but look even on linux desktop most driver are closed source. May 03 13:23:44 yeah May 03 13:23:48 jonwil: so it s still better than on maemo where also some gui part are closed sources May 03 13:24:43 I do note though that there seems to be no real progress towards a usable GPS chip in N900 meego. May 03 13:24:53 But that's a question for #meego-arm really :P May 03 13:25:56 The GPS chip is connected to the phone module May 03 13:26:07 * khertan will try to install pyside and try khweeteur and khteditor on MeeGo DE May 03 13:26:17 Was it lardman that had that proof-of-concept GPS parser? May 03 13:27:14 he had whole gps software in the end i believe May 03 13:27:24 as in standalone gps thing but no a support May 03 13:27:29 just GPS without a in front May 03 13:30:47 crashanddie, where do libraries and includes go on Mac OS X? May 03 13:30:48 same /usr/include and /usr/lib dirs? May 03 13:38:28 hi there May 03 13:45:53 would anybody have any idea how to solve this problem http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?t=72599 ? May 03 13:50:45 Mounting already mounted filesystems tends to cause massive fileystem cofrruption. May 03 13:51:18 i'm inserting a lot of // WHAT THE FUCKs today May 03 13:51:35 Speed: is it even possible? May 03 13:51:49 pupnik: that is only because you have not seen the CNet link May 03 13:52:14 pupnik: then you you insert a OH THE HOLY FUCK May 03 13:54:51 SpeedEvil: I'm aware of that but i'd still quite like to know how i could achieve that May 03 13:55:19 samba? May 03 13:55:50 sure but that's not what i'm after May 03 13:56:20 i basically want to turn my n900 into this http://hsti.com/shop/wireless-media-sticktm-2-0-new-look-4.html May 03 14:05:02 Older Whiskey, Faster Horses, Younger Women <=== MORE MONEY May 03 14:12:47 "I went to a psychoanalyst who told me I disliked everything too much. For this I took a great dislike to the psychoanalyst. I refused to pay five bucks for this new hate, and the psychoanalyst ended by hating me." May 03 14:36:24 Hi, is it possible to voice call skype contact from n900? I see only text chat or skype call to pstn May 03 14:37:21 you can do skype call May 03 14:37:27 but only if contact is online May 03 14:38:41 ah, thank you very much. I am stupid :) May 03 14:40:55 edheldil: Do you need a Skype contact with whom you can test? May 03 14:41:31 no, but thank you. I can persuade my wife to login :) May 03 14:41:49 edheldil: I have successfully used the Skype client on the N900 to conduct a video call with a desktop Skype client. May 03 14:41:56 I've not yet tried it between two N900s. May 03 14:43:37 hmm, ok, we could try that :) May 03 15:15:24 edheldil, call echo123 May 03 15:15:47 or send this message to echo-chinese: "callme" to get called May 03 15:16:24 MohammadAG: Is that procedure for a test Skype call? May 03 15:22:45 billmania, yeah May 03 15:22:53 Thanks. May 03 15:25:15 billmania, echo123 is an automated service, it'll say hi and all, then record 10s and play them back May 03 15:29:01 http://www.forum.nokia.com/document/Maemo_5_Icon_List/ says "Please use the icons as inspiration for your own icon designs" - anyone know how they are licensed? can one distribute icons thus "inspired" in a GPL app? May 03 15:30:59 MohammadAG: thank you. We have already tried video call :) May 03 15:31:09 BCMM: Copyright (C) 2010 Nokia Corporation and/or its subsidiary(-ies). All rights reserved. May 03 15:31:57 cehteh: huh, kinda assumed that was the standard copyright note for the webpage and didn't look properly, thanks May 03 15:32:24 well i guess if not otherwise stated, "All rights reserved" applies to the icons too May 03 15:33:17 and its prolly nokia legalese bullshit .. they dont care when you use them for a maemo app .. but if you would use the for a iphone app they may wake up May 03 15:35:14 I'm looking for some solution to use my n900 as a remote control for mplayer, maybe via bluetooth. Any ideas where to head? May 03 15:35:48 solistic: ssh? :) May 03 15:36:15 BCMM: I'd prefer some gui here May 03 15:36:35 mplayer can be controlled by lirc .. the n900 has a IR transmitter ... May 03 15:37:02 there are some 'remote control' apps for the ir transmitter .. so you just need a receiver May 03 15:37:02 BCMM: cehteh but my notebook has no IR May 03 15:37:23 cehteh: maybe I should get one May 03 15:37:43 well .. or just glue some ui together python/gtk or whatever and then as bcmm saied, ssh or so May 03 15:38:02 picking some arbitary network May 03 15:38:40 (is there some way to send udp over the IR port, unidirectional, that just sux but well could be a nice hack :)) May 03 15:38:43 it would be cool if lirc supported some sort of "dummy receiver" that's actually a network server May 03 15:38:58 BCMM: yep May 03 15:39:02 there's things like bluemaemo one can probably hack to make it all work with bluetooth and working with mplayer May 03 15:39:08 lirc over ip tunnel May 03 15:39:35 http://code.google.com/p/lirc-bluetooth/ May 03 15:39:44 dunno exactly what this does, to be honest May 03 15:39:49 BCMM: thx May 03 15:40:06 i mean, you'd have to rewrite teh client i reckon May 03 15:40:13 anyone knows how bluetooth effects battery life? May 03 15:40:18 my friend uses normal BT keyboard as a remote :) May 03 15:41:38 solistic: http://wiki.maemo.org/N900_Hardware_Power_Consumption (not much information, but some) May 03 15:42:34 BCMM: similar wifi, if I got it right May 03 15:43:16 solistic: what about using screen on your desktop and ssh to it with n900? May 03 15:43:54 solistic: yeah, for the idle case. doesn't say what happens if you actually use bt May 03 15:44:08 or just fakekey? May 03 15:44:46 chem|st: Here I'd still have to write some UI that I can use with dimmed light... May 03 15:45:08 ? May 03 15:45:25 solistic: just make use of the keyboard? May 03 15:46:57 chem|st: oh, wait, I'll check May 03 15:50:50 solistic: create a .mplayer/input.conf (I doubt you even need it as I go with defaults) which fits your needs for PC and n900, and make use of screen and direct keyboardinput May 03 16:11:12 It's gotta be a bad sign when the AARP starts sending you registration forms. . . . May 03 16:12:11 what is a networked game for n900 that uses real-time communication May 03 16:12:23 chem|st: I head to set up network, grant my n900 access on my desktop, etc. and now it works perfectly May 03 16:12:37 chem|st: s/head/had May 03 16:12:42 pupnik: xchat May 03 16:13:26 SpeedEvil: that could be a fair test i guess May 03 16:13:37 pupnik: openttd? May 03 16:14:00 pupnik: quake May 03 16:14:36 i want sauerbraten on n900 :( May 03 16:15:06 what stops you? May 03 16:15:25 well i doubt the n900 supports opengl May 03 16:15:33 i mean, the desktop version May 03 16:15:43 someone would have to port cube2 to opengl es May 03 16:15:53 there's always software rendering May 03 16:16:25 http://www.whylinuxisbetter.net/items/free_games/Images/sauerbraten.jpg May 03 16:19:25 debian has sauerbraten for arm so there should be no (extra to common maemo) problems running it on n900 May 03 16:36:18 darn pants telling my body what shape to assume - begone! May 03 16:40:51 is there a good reason to make the swap bigger than the ram when I have 2gb of ddr2 ram? May 03 16:41:44 gah!! wrong room again lol, my apologies. May 03 16:44:29 that was very old advice based on some unique aspects of linux kernel May 03 16:45:53 i don't think you should need swap with 2GB ram May 03 16:49:00 that old advice was even then far from true May 03 16:49:23 not having swap with 2G+ of ram is possible May 03 16:49:37 but it's still bad idea May 03 16:49:49 because it will reduce amount of ram wasted by applications May 03 16:49:57 so it can be reused for buffers and other stuff May 03 16:50:08 total used free shared buffers cached May 03 16:50:08 Mem: 7986 7876 109 0 106 4628 May 03 16:50:08 -/+ buffers/cache: 3142 4843 May 03 16:50:08 Swap: 999 43 955 May 03 16:54:23 swap will reduce amount of ram wasted by applications? May 03 16:54:31 yes May 03 16:54:39 in your case, 43 MB May 03 16:54:40 ? May 03 16:54:42 yes May 03 16:54:48 because system will swap memory that wasn't used in long time May 03 16:55:03 and reuse it for cache and buffers May 03 16:55:31 i'm used to systems with 24MB and 250MB hard drives, really May 03 16:55:45 wow May 03 16:55:51 i work on both ends May 03 16:56:10 it's ridiculous to have 2GB ram May 03 16:56:10 my first harddrive had 40MB and came with a 512KB memory extension May 03 16:56:15 systems with 64G of ram and 6.4M of ram May 03 16:56:24 and was hillariously expensive ... 2500DM that time May 03 16:56:32 nice cet May 03 17:03:19 pupnik: im gonna max out my desktop pc's mobo with 24GB ram one day just cause I can! =P May 03 17:03:48 * arvut goes afk again May 03 17:04:35 arvut: http://www.ramsan.com/products/4 May 03 17:05:19 does modest suppor any kind of scripting? May 03 17:11:01 kerio: wow.. May 03 17:11:36 arvut: indeed May 03 17:11:38 i want one :Q__ May 03 17:23:21 kerio: any other purpose other than having a cool ram machine? :P May 03 17:26:16 think of all the low-latency, high-bandwidth porn you can store May 03 17:47:48 hi guys. after updating to CSSU it seems FMTX no longer works. any reason why? May 03 17:55:11 thresh, maybe #maemo-ssu May 03 17:56:28 andre__: thx, will try. (thanks for all your maemo-related work btw :) May 03 17:56:54 heh :) May 03 18:34:31 Hello May 03 18:34:54 where can i ask about help with maemo? May 03 18:35:08 here or in bugs channel? May 03 18:35:34 not in bugs channel ;) May 03 18:35:38 here May 03 18:35:46 Ok May 03 18:36:02 ask then May 03 18:36:26 on my n900 disappeared notification are May 03 18:36:47 where battery, menu and other things were May 03 18:37:06 and almost any application don`t want to start May 03 18:37:25 i havn`t instaled any updates\new apps May 03 18:38:53 i have only apps menu button and operator name on top of screen May 03 18:39:39 i tried turno off\on and to remove battery May 03 18:43:38 azilot: you know you can type it all in one msg, right? ;) May 03 18:43:49 yes, sorry May 03 19:18:25 hello ! May 03 19:18:46 hello May 03 19:18:47 do someone know how to solve kernel power 47 installing and not able to boot ? May 03 19:18:49 :p May 03 19:19:21 I had 46 working. I had multiboot with nitdroid, base omap kernel, and power 46 ... after I updated it broke the kernel power May 03 19:19:23 ! May 03 19:20:06 Hi all, having some problems with MMS on my N900, this a good place to ask about them? Can't find phone number field on fMMS, does anyone here use it? May 03 19:20:54 ZenoArrow: yes May 03 19:21:24 Hi lolcat, great. Do you know where I can find the 'Your Phone Number' field in fMMS? May 03 19:21:46 Not sure May 03 19:21:49 I havent installed it May 03 19:22:46 Okay, thanks. Does anyone here use fMMS? May 03 19:24:15 I do May 03 19:24:21 Not rigth now May 03 19:24:25 But when I need an sms May 03 19:24:33 and the layout is 100% equal to the sms thing May 03 19:24:38 Just google it May 03 19:25:12 lolcat, thanks but I really need to speak to someone who uses fMMS, I can work the basic stuff out for myself, it's a specific setting I'm looking for. May 03 19:25:23 ZenoArrow: Wich one? May 03 19:26:14 Well all of the relevant ones really. TBH I think I've found out that the 'Your Phone Number' field has been removed. Still doesn't work though. May 03 19:28:09 contact the author ZenoArrow May 03 19:28:38 these apps aren't written by a faceless bureaucracy :) May 03 19:28:46 Bit extreme, but might come to that. May 03 19:31:01 I'm getting different error messages now, so perhaps that's a sign of progress! May 03 19:33:38 fmms really showed the power of a good community May 03 19:33:50 fixing serious omissions in a product May 03 19:35:45 so, has anybody any ideas about my problem? May 03 19:35:57 Got it working, this was the key: http://wiki.maemo.org/MMS_configurations May 03 19:36:01 Thanks for the chat. : ) May 03 19:36:52 azilot: try it without a sim card perhaps May 03 19:39:48 Shouldn't such a video work on the N900? http://feeds.feedburner.com/linuxactionshowipodvid?format=xml May 03 19:40:08 I dont get it to work May 03 19:40:57 I have the extra decoders package installed May 03 19:41:23 pupnik: Same thing. It tries to say, that i have no sim card and hangs (but a can turn off\on screen with lock slider) May 03 19:41:26 in fact I don't get any "hak5.org" nor "linux action show" video to play ... :( May 03 19:42:32 mkv? May 03 19:45:23 pupnik it just says "ipod" or "quicktime" version May 03 19:47:08 Why doesn't N900 boot with charger connected? I could swear that my old N900 didn't have this problem. May 03 19:47:21 hey please someone can help me a bit ? I get can't flash kernel, required files not found May 03 19:47:36 kpoman: forget multiboot - feel happy you don't have to reflash to recover from multiboot breaking arbitrary on update May 03 19:48:12 DocScrutinizer: help ! May 03 19:48:15 breaking arbitrary? May 03 19:48:55 kpoman: sorry, multiboot is broken by design. No idea how to recover other than reflash and not install multiboot again May 03 19:49:09 what will happen if i`ll flash without full charged battery? May 03 19:49:18 kpoman: multiboot is notorious to break things on kernel updates May 03 19:49:27 DocScrutinizer: it is working for omap and nitdroid May 03 19:49:37 only both kernel power entries are failing telling "can't flash kernel, required files not found" May 03 19:49:44 azilot: you'll probably enter bootloop deadlock and need to charge battery externally May 03 19:50:15 kpoman: sorry I can't and won't help with multiboot issues May 03 19:50:16 i`m not sure, that my phone is charging - it stays cool May 03 19:51:03 and i can`t see charge icon - i lost somewhere this area May 03 19:51:18 azilot: lshal|grep battery -- see volzage, it shall be >>4.00v May 03 19:51:36 i can`t run xTerm May 03 19:51:46 ouch May 03 19:51:56 yeap May 03 19:52:05 reflash as soon as possible, treat battery nice until then May 03 19:54:01 i have destop applet - it says 94% May 03 20:00:09 Hi. i tried to remove cssu. I followed and did all steps mentioned on wiki. After "apt-get install mp-fremantle-generic-pr", I got this http://pastebin.com/LVhKm7SU What to do? May 03 20:04:47 reflash May 03 20:04:55 you can't "remove" something like that, at least not sanely May 03 20:05:41 why you want to remove cssu? May 03 20:06:36 I have had some random reboots and I wanted to try if cssu had something to do with it May 03 20:06:59 valid point May 03 20:07:15 I would not have even tried if removing was not mentioned on cssu-wiki http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU May 03 20:07:22 but to make sure on that point you actually need to reflash May 03 20:07:42 just have to do it then May 03 20:07:53 as removing cssu might introduce more bugs rather than curing the root cause May 03 20:11:13 what i loose after flashing? May 03 20:11:20 apps? May 03 20:12:56 yes May 03 20:13:11 read about flashing May 03 20:13:25 i think my phone don`t want to start May 03 20:13:31 after flashing May 03 20:14:32 i see only running circles for long time and then black screen May 03 20:18:15 takes time, some minutes May 03 20:18:25 yes, it works ) May 03 20:19:11 it`s sad, that i lost my custom keyboard layout, but it works May 03 20:20:36 * ShadowJK forgets if it was safe to set a passwd on user (to get ssh pubkey working) May 03 20:21:04 safe May 03 20:21:25 afaik May 03 20:21:32 wait a minute May 03 20:22:10 user:tZ/y50 May 03 20:22:13 safe May 03 20:23:39 hell, yea - ssh pubkey working here, that's why I forgot :-D May 03 20:25:21 I think I had it working May 03 20:25:34 on the old broken n900 May 03 20:25:40 but I forgot what I did :P May 03 20:25:47 Ahhaha, the Osama wasn't even armed when they killed him May 03 20:26:28 btw. do you know that talibans offered to release osama just week after war in iraq started May 03 20:26:33 yes May 03 20:26:35 and bush said no May 03 20:26:35 ShadowJK: you set a assword May 03 20:26:35 they just asked for US to stop bombing them May 03 20:26:41 ShadowJK: and it works. May 03 20:26:57 basically bush is a horrible genius :( May 03 20:27:37 oh hey I get unable to play for that mp4 linked above too May 03 20:28:30 not sure if you also need to fix permissions for ~user and ~user/.ssh May 03 20:28:42 that was included in my backup, but /etc was not May 03 20:28:43 mustn't be world readable May 03 20:28:50 * ShadowJK fires up his SmartQ7 May 03 20:29:04 the MPlayer on it is very helpful to explain why shit doesn't play May 03 20:29:13 /etc ?? May 03 20:29:35 ShadowJK: I was wondering about the smartQ - how is it? May 03 20:29:42 (though not to the point of getting one) May 03 20:29:56 SpeedEvil, slightly more sluggish than maemo4 on N8x0 May 03 20:30:03 I've been wandering around cheap chinese wholesalers, looking for solar panel bits. May 03 20:30:21 But hw video capabilities of N900 May 03 20:30:24 setting up ssh via /etc isn't recommended for normal user systems, it's a server thing for idiot users that can't handle their own keys May 03 20:30:27 And coming across random computer bits. May 03 20:32:32 USB1.1 host port, USB2 OTG port May 03 20:33:05 no powersaving support apart from frequency scaling, so there's no standby battery life to speak of :) May 03 20:33:47 Ah. May 03 20:34:02 dunno about the more recent models May 03 20:34:13 this is the "original" 7" model with S3C6410 May 03 20:38:17 someone said he got 720p playback on the N900 May 03 20:38:29 Yeah I saw May 03 20:38:30 (with an upgraded dspbridge patch in the kernel) May 03 20:38:38 and newest codecs from TI May 03 20:38:39 mhm, i have no Belarus region - is it ok? May 03 20:40:28 Yep, smartq says "Only support baseline!" and decoder init fails :P May 03 20:40:41 friggin intriguing - though I think 720p is crap on that /5/6/5 max framebuffer May 03 20:40:55 that's not the point May 03 20:41:09 so what else? May 03 20:41:12 speed? May 03 20:41:16 time to flash n900 using ubuntu. to what folder do i move the image (bin) after flasher is installed? wiki does not assist me on this one. May 03 20:41:35 moreover, DSS2 and/or SGX downscaling of 720p is likely crappier result than the same content in 480p May 03 20:41:43 somehwere where you can find it May 03 20:42:39 shanttu: flasher -x -y -z /path/to/your/fiaco.bin May 03 20:43:05 DocScrutinizer: thanks May 03 20:43:17 for a pattern, not for c&p ;-) May 03 20:43:28 ShadowJK: wish we had dss2 scalable framebuffer May 03 20:43:41 how do you think video is currently scaled? May 03 20:43:43 hehe May 03 20:45:24 hmm i see /dev/fb1, fb2 May 03 20:45:39 azilot: maybe you find an equivalent timezone and LANG settng? May 03 20:46:08 yes, russia/kalinigrad May 03 20:46:25 One is relevat for the display, and the other for tv out probably. Before starting X, the initscripts access /dev/fb directly to put up the nokia logo :P May 03 20:47:05 exactly May 03 20:47:07 where can i set decimal delimiter to dot instead coma? May 03 20:47:24 man locale May 03 20:49:07 err, here I got ... sorry can't type that cyrillic, looks like Belarussia, all the way down in selector May 03 20:49:26 3rd last before Russia and Makedonia May 03 20:49:52 right after the Greek things May 03 20:50:12 and is there somethingi have Vietnam, Greek, Kipros (?), russia May 03 20:50:29 hm, my list is like azilot's too May 03 20:50:30 maybe i have flashed wrong image? May 03 20:50:41 first boot wizard May 03 20:50:47 was same May 03 20:51:17 usa, vietnam, ellada, kipros, russia May 03 20:51:27 DocScrutinizer: CMT flashed successfully. thanks for the assistance. That went smooth. May 03 20:51:37 shanttu: yw May 03 20:52:17 will dpkg -reconfigure work on maemo? May 03 20:52:48 fsck, my cam doesn't start on door-open May 03 20:53:28 \o/ actually it segfaulr May 03 20:53:39 grrr May 03 20:53:46 Mine did thart a bit ago May 03 20:53:55 i had some time ago same thing May 03 20:54:04 I removed mbarcode, and it worked May 03 20:54:09 removing fcam maybe helped May 03 20:54:12 when I reinstalled May 03 20:54:38 my n900 fly after flashing ) May 03 20:54:38 * DocScrutinizer blames cssu May 03 20:55:06 (23:53:35) ***DocScrutinizer blames cssu May 03 20:55:06 i had cssu and custom lens-cover launcher May 03 20:55:16 * SpeedEvil has not used cssu yet. May 03 20:55:18 wwith flashlight mbarcode camera and mir translator May 03 20:55:18 I should May 03 20:55:27 and all works May 03 20:55:35 with cssu May 03 20:55:45 aaaah flashlight was last thing I used, maybe it's buggy May 03 20:56:02 it`s very helpfull ) May 03 20:57:23 I want flashlight to auto-start on opening shutter with phone pointing down May 03 20:57:36 I haven't gotten round to wodking out how to do it. May 03 20:57:51 what is difference between uk, usa, global maemo images? May 03 20:58:19 friggin camera still using flash on first photo after start, even when "flash: never" May 03 21:03:33 uk and usa have some special bits you prolly don't like to have May 03 21:03:46 "You do it to yourself. Just you. And no-one else." May 03 21:04:20 DocScrutinizer: anybody ever release some analysis of what those special bits are? May 03 21:05:11 and what about "Latest Maemo 5 Middle East and North Africa release for Nokia N900" May 03 21:05:15 Everyone has got special bits! May 03 21:05:38 azilot: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10126 May 03 21:05:54 how many berries is one cow worth May 03 21:06:24 it`s bulgarian ) May 03 21:06:33 :-S May 03 21:07:06 but you have different options May 03 21:07:54 pupnik: not afaik May 03 21:08:57 there are sometimes problems falshing cmt in US version that don't show on any of the others, so you *might* conclude the modem has some special bits to deal with US radio and GSM madness May 03 21:09:00 DocScrutinizer: http://share.ovi.com/media/joerg900.screenshots/joerg900.10098?sort=0 Where can i get this applet? May 03 21:09:24 for brightness May 03 21:09:41 i can sell it to you for £50 May 03 21:10:08 azilot: it appears when booting for first time (esp after battery been removed for longer than your cmos-battery buffers, which is like 10s...several weeks, depending whether it's already broken like on 80% of devices) May 03 21:10:21 ooh, for brighness May 03 21:10:28 that simple brightness applet May 03 21:10:48 DocScrutinizer: you ruined it, i was planning to sell it May 03 21:11:02 lol May 03 21:11:47 actually I wondered where and how to trigger this friggin nice time settings widget, which is magnitudes better than the standard hildon one May 03 21:11:48 no just charge for distribution.. May 03 21:12:28 someone uses a bluetooth headset with n900? which one works okay? and a question: how fast to switch headset and bluetooth on...fast enaugh to answer a call? ;D or just if you start the call? May 03 21:16:13 i think, bluetooth will drain battery on lightspeed May 03 21:31:41 hi, if I lzma -9 the maemo zImage, how much space will it still take? May 03 21:32:08 (I've not maemo installed currently, that's why I ask) May 03 21:32:09 probably around the same as it does now May 03 21:32:19 If you mean the kernel only May 03 21:32:20 ok May 03 21:32:22 yes May 03 21:32:23 It's already compressred May 03 21:32:25 the kernel only May 03 21:32:29 with lzma? May 03 21:32:34 possibly not. May 03 21:32:42 But you won't save tha tmuch. May 03 21:32:46 because lzma was added on recent kernel only May 03 21:33:10 I want kexecboot + maemo kernel on its rootfs within the 2M barrier that the n900 has May 03 21:33:12 Do you care if you save 100k May 03 21:33:15 ah May 03 21:34:21 hmmm May 03 21:34:33 else there is still a partition in the nand named May 03 21:34:42 initramfs or something like that May 03 21:36:15 I'll ask in #meego-arm if they got NAND support on 2.6.38 May 03 21:36:28 Or SD? May 03 21:36:40 hmmm May 03 21:36:50 SD will be good for our distro but bad for maemo May 03 21:36:54 Or 3g? May 03 21:36:57 lol May 03 21:37:39 I don't think ofono or maemo's cellular component or fsogsmd+libgisi works in 2M of disk May 03 21:37:48 s/works/fits/ May 03 21:37:48 GNUtoo|laptop meant: I don't think ofono or maemo's cellular component or fsogsmd+libgisi fits in 2M of disk May 03 21:38:28 the problem is that kexecboot doesn't have ubifs support May 03 21:38:34 else it would have been so easy May 03 21:38:54 I'll ask to kexecboot people May 03 22:07:26 eichi: I think BT connecting is always too slow to do it prior to accepting an inbound call. And no, actually BT doesn't eat that much battery May 03 22:08:42 >>BT enabled, no headset connected +2 mA with ~1/5 time spikes to +9 mA<< May 03 22:12:15 BT sucks on the N900 May 03 22:12:38 it doesn't work well with an active WiFi connection May 03 22:13:02 i prefer to speek with wired headphones and phone microphone May 03 22:13:53 it doesn't affect headphones only May 03 22:44:50 BT vs WLAN conflict is system imanent and depending on hw (2 / 3 wire coexistence) and config, one of both will always suffer when the dominant other tries to use the band May 03 22:46:03 even a fair scheduling doesn't mean both can coexist and work concurrently without degradation of quality May 03 22:52:11 they share the antenna and there's a wire connected between the two, iirc May 03 22:55:13 yeah, the big mystery of N900 BT: there are 4 wires going from WLAN module into a bus, and only 3 arrive at BT May 03 22:56:37 WLAN_BT(3:0) but only 0, 1, and 2 go anywehere May 03 22:58:14 BT_TX_CONFX, BT_RF_ALIVE, BT_STATUS May 03 22:59:11 last one aka BT_PRIORITY on WLAN May 03 22:59:50 BT_FREQ enters another universe on its way from WLAN to BT May 03 23:00:49 The PCB has an imaginary layer. May 03 23:31:37 yay, kernel-power v47 May 03 23:41:39 WUT? May 03 23:41:43 yours? May 03 23:42:24 or did t-tan magically resurrect? May 03 23:42:55 ~seen t-tan May 03 23:43:03 t-tan <~tanner@e179094244.adsl.alicedsl.de> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 326d 4h 55s ago, saying: 'smoking hot device?'. May 03 23:43:40 ~seen javispedro May 03 23:43:40 javispedro <~javier@Maemo/community/council/javispedro> was last seen on IRC in channel #maemo, 39d 2h 13m 32s ago, saying: 'resembles Segoe. Serves them well....'. May 04 02:46:23 the N8 is symbian, right? May 04 02:53:55 yes May 04 02:57:53 *trying to figure out this new direction nokia is going in May 04 02:58:17 i guess the N8 and it's peers still represent fairly strong sales for symbian May 04 02:58:22 they're going in whichever way Microsoft points May 04 02:58:41 symbian will be around for a while yet, especially on the low end May 04 02:59:09 i got the impression no one really has been embedding symbian in automobiles lately though May 04 02:59:15 favoring linux instead **** ENDING LOGGING AT Wed May 04 02:59:58 2011