**** BEGIN LOGGING AT Thu May 05 02:59:57 2011
May 05 03:29:06 <Lorisse> help: my app manager won't list down available apps for download. It says "operation failed"
May 05 05:08:41 <RST38h> *yawn*
May 05 05:28:05 * pupnik_ blesses the channel
May 05 07:01:42 <pupnik> flash sucks
May 05 07:01:46 <pupnik> adobe sucks
May 05 07:02:04 <pupnik> spending a whole minute of my life trying to stop a flash video
May 05 07:02:28 <pupnik> which took 45 seconds to start
May 05 08:05:13 <RST38h> Moo all
May 05 08:06:51 <ab> moo RST38h
May 05 09:07:50 <chem|st> morning
May 05 09:29:23 <DocScrutinizer> yo, moo
May 05 09:29:54 <DocScrutinizer> chem|st: how's life?
May 05 09:38:47 <chem|st> DocScrutinizer: as bad as always
May 05 09:38:50 <chem|st> boring
May 05 09:39:43 <chem|st> BUT my sailing trainer just called for this month sport boat license training
May 05 09:40:21 <DocScrutinizer> heh, that sounds like fun
May 05 09:40:23 <chem|st> so hopefully I have the license next month and am able to do the followup in july
May 05 09:43:42 <ruskie> followup being sink???
May 05 09:46:46 <edheldil> followup being 2.2?
May 05 09:47:47 <chem|st> followup being sport coast skipper license
May 05 09:58:04 <Mece> khertan, ping
May 05 11:18:12 <psychologe> hello i install nessus on easy debian,but when i update the plugins ,it suggest Could not write to all-2.0.tar.gz - No space left on device....can some one help me?
May 05 11:19:23 <psycho_oreos> probably the easy debian chroot image is already full?
May 05 11:21:24 <psychologe> i don't know ,i had't install any program on easy debian before
May 05 11:22:50 <psycho_oreos> you've installed nessus, you do realise even without installing nessus, easy debian could fill up the space it was allocated with initially?
May 05 11:30:42 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, ping
May 05 11:31:17 <DocScrutinizer> pong
May 05 11:33:33 <psycho_oreos> I recall you were saying that you can charge the N900 whilst its running USB hostmode? if so how do you go about charging?
May 05 11:34:19 <psycho_oreos> possibly something like going through a hub
May 05 11:34:36 <ruskie> and a cable properly setup I guess
May 05 11:35:13 <psycho_oreos> I was thinking of having N900 plugged into the hub and then have something like microUSB female to USB male going into one of the hub's ports?
May 05 11:35:44 <psycho_oreos> yeah that's the tricky part :) I know h-e-n stops BME which won't show one the status of the battery on hildon-status iirc
May 05 11:37:11 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: I did it by using a very commonly used Y-cable as comes with external drives
May 05 11:37:43 <DocScrutinizer> ~hostmode-powered
May 05 11:37:43 <infobot> it has been said that hostmode-powered is http://talk.maemo.org/showthread.php?p=921203#post921203
May 05 11:37:51 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, ahh those used on 2.5" ones
May 05 11:38:01 * psycho_oreos checks out the link
May 05 11:38:24 <reenignEesreveR> someone nearby setup a fake gsm base station. My n900 got connected with it. While all other phones are working fine. Is there an implementation flaw in n900's authentication or what?
May 05 11:38:42 <pupnik> interesting
May 05 11:38:58 <reenignEesreveR> scary for me!
May 05 11:39:22 <ruskie> if the base station is outputing all the right stuff don't see why there would be
May 05 11:39:39 <reenignEesreveR> i received this SMS: Welcome to OpenBTS! AGPLv3 openbts.sf.net. Your IMSI is IMSI: xxxxxxxxxxxxxx
May 05 11:39:40 <ruskie> the implementation flaw is in the gsm encryption in general though iirc
May 05 11:39:42 <SpeedEvil> There is generally no authentication on thephone.
May 05 11:40:00 <reenignEesreveR> but there should be authentication of the bts via the sim
May 05 11:40:00 <SpeedEvil> The phon e is quite happy to connect to any tower with the correct broadcast ID.
May 05 11:40:07 <SpeedEvil> There isn't.
May 05 11:40:14 <SpeedEvil> It's the other way round.
May 05 11:40:17 <reenignEesreveR> then why other phones with same network provider aren't getting connected?
May 05 11:40:28 <SpeedEvil> The phone authenticates to the tower, not the tower to the phone.
May 05 11:40:41 <ruskie> because they set the network manually?
May 05 11:40:43 <SpeedEvil> Perhaps your phone supports a band that they do not.
May 05 11:40:44 <reenignEesreveR> so if someone sets up a fake tower, everyone can get connected to it?
May 05 11:40:49 <SpeedEvil> reenignEesreveR: yes.
May 05 11:41:09 <reenignEesreveR> thats a pretty simple MIM!
May 05 11:41:49 <SpeedEvil> http://www.macworld.co.uk/digitallifestyle/news/index.cfm?olo=rss&newsid=3233898
May 05 11:42:26 <SpeedEvil> It's http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DU8hg4FTm0g
May 05 11:42:29 <SpeedEvil> Or rather
May 05 11:42:37 <SpeedEvil> It's not quite MIM
May 05 11:42:49 <SpeedEvil> As inbound calls don't work.
May 05 11:43:02 <SpeedEvil> However.
May 05 11:43:19 <SpeedEvil> I think it's also possible to fake your phone, with additional stuff.
May 05 11:43:23 <DocScrutinizer> reenignEesreveR: LOOOOL
May 05 11:43:46 <SpeedEvil> You (as the tower) ask the phone to authenticate with a cipher you can crack.
May 05 11:44:02 <SpeedEvil> This gives you the secret keys from the SIM
May 05 11:44:12 <reenignEesreveR> you really don't need that, do you?
May 05 11:44:19 <SpeedEvil> This enables you to then use those secret keys to authenticate as a phone to the real network
May 05 11:44:28 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, thanks for the link. Very interesting setup, though it looks like I may have to go buy at least an adapter (mUSB female -> USB male) + Y splitter. Seems a little complicated but its still interesting nonetheless
May 05 11:44:32 <SpeedEvil> And you then proxy inbound calls to the phone, and inbound texts
May 05 11:44:44 <SpeedEvil> reenignEesreveR: If you want a proper MITM, yes.
May 05 11:45:01 <SpeedEvil> reenignEesreveR: Otherwise you just get a phone not connected to anything but you.
May 05 11:45:29 <SpeedEvil> Anyway - see the youtube link - 'practical cellphone spying'
May 05 11:46:21 <lolcat> If I backup to a memorycard, will it be in a readable format for things that are not N900?
May 05 11:46:24 <SpeedEvil> GSM wasn't really designed with security in mind - from the POV of people pretending to be cellphone towers.
May 05 11:47:15 <DocScrutinizer> psycho_oreos: it's not complicated at all. Get shadowjk's charger script, then do bostoff; charge.sh.txt; ^C charge.sh.txt (you probably want to rename the charge.sh.txt to something more snae, like I did)
May 05 11:48:19 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, GSM has security for protecting the network from rogue users, not to preotect users from rogue networks
May 05 11:49:05 <SpeedEvil> reenignEesreveR: Also - wherre ar eyou?
May 05 11:49:18 <SpeedEvil> Ans why do you think you're connected to a rogue towerr?
May 05 11:49:19 <DocScrutinizer> we had that demonstrated on CCC 3(?) years ago, by Harald Welte
May 05 11:49:49 <psycho_oreos> DocScrutinizer, ahh ok thanks
May 05 11:50:53 <merlin1991> Lolcat backups without a pw are just plain zip files
May 05 11:51:27 <merlin1991> But you have an option to encrypt the backups with a pass
May 05 11:51:28 <lolcat> merlin1991: Cool
May 05 11:51:35 <lolcat> I don't want it to be difficult
May 05 11:51:44 <lolcat> But today I am returning my phone
May 05 11:51:55 <lolcat> Because I need money for my vacation
May 05 11:52:05 <lolcat> Buying one for approximatly haf the price
May 05 11:53:38 <lolcat> But I need some help
May 05 11:53:56 <lolcat> What features in the N900 is only found in the new Symbian phones?
May 05 11:54:12 <lolcat> I really want a keyboard and I don't want android
May 05 11:56:16 <DocScrutinizer> *cough*
May 05 11:56:45 * RST38h remembers something
May 05 11:56:58 <RST38h> Here. Quiet now.
May 05 11:57:20 <pupnik> good day DocScrutinizer, RST38h
May 05 11:57:23 * DocScrutinizer imagines vacations without N900 and starts to cry
May 05 11:57:30 <DocScrutinizer> lo pupnik
May 05 11:57:55 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: I love the N900 for vacations, I can use all the computer features and have it awesome!
May 05 11:58:16 <merlin1991> N900 > some vacation money ;)
May 05 11:58:31 <lolcat> merlin1991: I will buy a new N900
May 05 11:58:37 <lolcat> But for WAY cheaper
May 05 11:58:50 <DocScrutinizer> now that's just too weird
May 05 11:59:06 <DocScrutinizer> can I do that too, maybe 10 times a day??
May 05 11:59:26 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: They fixed the charger port, and then it came loose again. 3rd repair == refund
May 05 11:59:37 <DocScrutinizer> duh, aah
May 05 11:59:49 <lolcat> The fun thing is that the next phone probably has the same issues (pretty sure it is from the same batch)
May 05 12:00:01 <lolcat> So I will probably get the money back for it too after about a year
May 05 12:00:12 <DocScrutinizer> you might consider not using USB port anymore
May 05 12:00:55 * DocScrutinizer still loosely following his project to have a charging cradle
May 05 12:01:05 <RST38h> hey apupnik
May 05 12:01:23 <lolcat> How will that work?
May 05 12:01:36 <onion_> funny, a friends N900 usb porting getting loose was fixed by him getting a N8 instead. "No N900 available anymore" was the answer to the obvious question.
May 05 12:01:48 <DocScrutinizer> probably by drilling two small holes into battery cover
May 05 12:02:09 <DocScrutinizer> plus some small "hardware" inside
May 05 12:02:54 <SpeedEvil> I was wondering about connecting up Vbus, gnd, and D+ and D- from under the battery to outside.
May 05 12:03:03 <SpeedEvil> Through protector
May 05 12:03:15 <DocScrutinizer> I considered revamping pre's inductive charger, but it's too expensive for a poor EE
May 05 12:03:56 <lolcat> Inductive charging? How much would that be? How long distances?
May 05 12:03:58 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: exactly, but Vbus still unclear
May 05 12:04:27 <SpeedEvil> Other than solder, yes.
May 05 12:04:38 <DocScrutinizer> lolcat: direct contact (like cradle) but without electrical contacts. Think of your electric toothbrush
May 05 12:04:42 <Cor-Ai> If I'd like to alter the funktion of some of the HW buttons on my n900, how should i do that? :)
May 05 12:05:09 <lolcat> DocScrutinizer: My toothbrush is manual
May 05 12:05:15 <DocScrutinizer> the pre inductive option is not exactly spare money
May 05 12:05:23 <pupnik> possible great port candidate for maemo "Desktop Dungeons" - quick minimalistic roguelike http://www.qcfdesign.com/?cat=20
May 05 12:06:12 <DocScrutinizer> ...and probably I'd trash a few until proper rework paper for everybody *might* be finished
May 05 12:06:50 <ruskie> pupnik, what's wrong with plain 'ol nethack exactly?
May 05 12:06:55 <lolcat> How much in terms of numbers?
May 05 12:06:57 <DocScrutinizer> so I'm not going to do this, no business model in it, just expense, lots of expense
May 05 12:08:13 <merlin1991> I knew it all along, Doc is just a corporate spy ;)
May 05 12:08:46 <pupnik> ruskie: i don't know
May 05 12:11:18 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.engadget.com/2010/06/14/evo-4g-receives-a-palm-pre-inductive-charging-transplant-video/
May 05 12:12:26 <robbiethe1st> Isn't inductive charging slightly dangerous? I mean... you're subjecting the bits of the device to a very hefty magnetic field, and any antennas /will/ develop a charge...
May 05 12:20:08 <DocScrutinizer> nah
May 05 12:21:24 <DocScrutinizer> inductive charging is in the kHz range, no threat for the antennae. And the 'bits' are immune to that magnetic field, whatever you exactly meant by 'bits'
May 05 12:22:48 <DocScrutinizer> most concern for me would be the magnets in device getting demagnetized ;-D That won't happen though, as the magnet field is too high freq and too weak
May 05 12:23:40 <DocScrutinizer> anyway, as mentioned above, that's too expensive for me, so I'll go for a way simpler solution
May 05 12:23:48 <ruskie> http://www.theregister.co.uk/2011/05/05/meego_no_thanks/ <-- seriously???
May 05 12:23:48 <DocScrutinizer> along pogopins
May 05 12:24:02 <pupnik> dog poppins
May 05 12:25:26 <DocScrutinizer> ~seen venemo
May 05 12:25:37 <infobot> venemo <~Timur@timur.sch.bme.hu> was last seen on IRC in channel #meego, 14h 52m 32s ago, saying: 'at all'.
May 05 12:26:49 <DocScrutinizer> bme.hu ???
May 05 12:27:49 <ruskie> what?
May 05 12:27:56 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: I meant there's no clear indication for any testpoint exposing Vbus yet
May 05 12:28:40 <DocScrutinizer> which would be a major obstake for a simple rework
May 05 12:28:49 <DocScrutinizer> obstakle*
May 05 12:28:55 <DocScrutinizer> meh
May 05 12:29:10 <DocScrutinizer> ~spell obstacle
May 05 12:29:12 <infobot> 'obstacle' may be spelled correctly
May 05 12:29:26 <crashanddie> ~spell DocScrutinizer
May 05 12:29:27 <infobot> possible spellings for DocScrutinizer: Scrutinize Scrutinies Scrutineers Scrutineer's Scrutiny's
May 05 12:32:40 <DocScrutinizer> will take a while until I make it into meriam-websters or Duden
May 05 12:34:49 <DocScrutinizer> DocScrutinizer: Some Electronics Engineer most known for his contributions to famous epic fail Openmoko and his frequent ranting on several design details of maemo and meego. Allegedly died some years later while banging his head on desk
May 05 12:36:29 <DocScrutinizer> well
May 05 12:36:33 <DocScrutinizer> ~ DocScrutinizer
May 05 12:36:33 <infobot> you are probably jOERG, a HW-developer and engineer of Openmoko
May 05 12:38:52 <DocScrutinizer> ~ crashanddie
May 05 12:38:52 <infobot> hmm... crashanddie is OMG!!!
May 05 12:39:06 <DocScrutinizer> also OK :-P
May 05 12:54:22 <crashanddie> ~ crashanddie
May 05 12:54:22 <infobot> well, crashanddie is OMG!!!
May 05 12:54:29 <crashanddie> ~ infobot
May 05 12:54:29 <infobot> infobot is, like, in need of training, can someone train me?
May 05 13:06:29 <chem|st> ~ chem|st
May 05 13:08:05 <Mece> should I be able to use qtmobility 1.2 with maemo cssu?
May 05 13:16:03 <Mece> is libqt4-dev optified?
May 05 13:17:48 <psychologe> hello everyone,i need some help ,i replace libflashplayer.so with version10.now some network video ,i can't player .so can some one send me libflashplayer.so ,it in /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so
May 05 13:18:15 <RST38h> Hehe: http://regmedia.co.uk/2011/05/05/meego_i_give_up.jpg
May 05 13:21:12 <Mece> RST38h, funny and sad
May 05 13:21:29 <psychologe> who can send me this file /usr/lib/browser/plugins/libflashplayer.so .thanks
May 05 13:21:33 <Mece> RST38h, ses the guy at a QtQuick seminar...
May 05 13:21:42 <Mece> s/ses/says/
May 05 13:21:43 <infobot> Mece meant: RST38h, says the guy at a QtQuick seminar...
May 05 13:23:05 <psychologe> hello infobot
May 05 13:23:34 <psychologe> can you help me
May 05 13:24:56 <DocScrutinizer> psychologe: http://maemo.cloud-7.de/libflashplayer.so  -- fool! ;-D
May 05 13:25:09 <DocScrutinizer> wakit til upload finished
May 05 13:26:31 <psychologe> OH thanks but Not Found
May 05 13:27:23 <DocScrutinizer> wait til upload finished
May 05 13:29:12 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.cloud-7.de/libflashplayer.so
May 05 13:31:28 <psychologe> ok thank you very very much!!!you are good man
May 05 13:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> yw, if ou do a backup next time, prior to deleting/replacing stuff ;-D
May 05 13:32:52 <psychologe> ok
May 05 13:32:54 <DocScrutinizer> cp libflashplayer.so ~user/libflashplayer.so~
May 05 13:35:57 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: there's obviously no simple way to contact Vbus :-((
May 05 13:36:28 <DocScrutinizer> most easy point probably C5300 outer side
May 05 13:36:43 <DocScrutinizer> inside can though
May 05 13:37:31 <DocScrutinizer> and behind fuse, which isn't that bad as we could get our own fuse
May 05 13:38:33 <crashanddie> psychologe, you're Chinese or Indian, are you not?
May 05 13:39:49 <psychologe> chinese
May 05 13:40:03 <psychologe> sorry my bad english
May 05 13:43:10 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: nevermind what I said about Vbus
May 05 13:43:18 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: have to investigate further
May 05 13:48:27 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: \o/ J2000:6 is Vbus internal (i.e. after all the filtering, inner end of L5300)
May 05 13:50:25 <DocScrutinizer> so connecting this TP to a filter chain similar to the one around *5300 components, then route it to a gold plated copper/brass pad under a 1.2mm hole drilled into backside battery cover... DONE
May 05 13:51:54 <pupnik>   https://spreadsheets.google.com/ccc?key=0AonYZs4MzlZbdDJQTElWS1VWbl9aZmZlUTZXY2lLdmc&hl=en&authkey=CNLP5MUH#gid=0    Guantanamo Bay Detainees: Name, ISN, Nationality, Code, ArrivalDate, Reason for transfer, Capture details
May 05 13:52:01 <pupnik> secret no-more |:P
May 05 14:00:04 * DocScrutinizer stares at BL-5J, pondering how much 'empty' space is in there, to place some 1005 and 0603, 0402 there
May 05 14:00:28 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, what are 1005, 0603, and 0402?
May 05 14:01:11 <DocScrutinizer> 0.10*0.05" components, rsp .06*.03 and .04*.02
May 05 14:01:57 <DocScrutinizer> 0402 is standard size for most small capacitors and all resistors on N900
May 05 14:03:18 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: btw ->[2011-05-05 13:04:55] <DocScrutinizer> Stskeeps: May 05 10:26:59 <larsc> DocScrutinizer: .... May 05 11:03:09 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, I have more interest in lis302dl    ---   in http://logs.nslu2-linux.org/livelogs/openmoko-cdevel.txt
May 05 14:03:59 <Venemo> will check it out
May 05 14:05:42 <Psi> http://blogs.nokia.com/nseries/2011/05/03/how-china-recycles-millions-of-cellphones-every-year/
May 05 14:35:06 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, interesting discussion
May 05 14:35:28 <DocScrutinizer> well, alas to the point of no result
May 05 14:36:21 <iluminator101> hey guys whats the best app to record a live phone call?
May 05 14:36:50 <Venemo> iluminator101, there is an app for that in the repo, but I can't recall its name
May 05 14:36:50 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: the kernel gurus aren't interested in it, and the distro maintainers aren't interested in it either as that's not their domain
May 05 14:37:12 <DocScrutinizer> recaler
May 05 14:37:20 <DocScrutinizer> recall (-er?)
May 05 14:37:33 <DocScrutinizer> REcord ALL
May 05 14:37:47 <iluminator101> have you used it, is it reliable
May 05 14:37:53 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, well, there is an old proverb. "if you want something done properly, do it yourself". it is unfortunate that neither of us are kernel hackers.
May 05 14:38:01 <DocScrutinizer> acted up on me some time back
May 05 14:38:03 <Venemo> iluminator101, it's called "recaller" I think. never tried.
May 05 14:39:03 <DocScrutinizer> it didn't stop recording at end of call, maybe it got fixed meanwhile, or I messed it up. It was nice as long as it behaved
May 05 14:39:25 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, could we make OM's driver to be API or ABI compatible with the upstream junk?
May 05 14:39:35 <DocScrutinizer> no way
May 05 14:39:50 <Venemo> why not?
May 05 14:39:55 <DocScrutinizer> the API is what's botked
May 05 14:40:12 <Venemo> polling at 20Hz is what's borked
May 05 14:40:19 <DocScrutinizer> well, that too
May 05 14:40:59 <Venemo> having a non-polling driver with a "borked" API is still better than not having it at all.
May 05 14:41:14 <Venemo> anyway, is there an IRC channel for kernel devs?
May 05 14:41:14 <DocScrutinizer> OM lis302 driver has a nice sane /dev/inputX interface aka API
May 05 14:41:32 <DocScrutinizer> nfi
May 05 14:42:29 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: you noticed the roaring silence from stskeeps when I posted that note to him in #meego?
May 05 14:43:56 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, nope, I wasn't around then
May 05 14:44:09 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: I'm really fed up with that shit, as obviously *nobody* cares, of all the dudes who actually ought
May 05 14:44:50 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, I think alterego may also be able to help or at least add his voice. remember, he promised to do something about it if we can prove that MeeGo is affected.
May 05 14:45:07 <DocScrutinizer> if #meego-arm folks are ignorant about problems in their distro that are "upstream", then why should I grow a headache?
May 05 14:45:41 <Venemo> hm
May 05 14:45:51 <Venemo> isn't there an IRC channel for kernel hackers/developers?
May 05 14:45:57 <DocScrutinizer> alterego already asked about that stuff on #meego-arm and as well got no interest
May 05 14:46:43 <Venemo> mhm
May 05 14:46:50 <Venemo> so at the end, we'll need to do it ourselves.
May 05 14:47:15 <Venemo> or just convince Sts to use the better driver in the N900 adaptation and forget about the rest.
May 05 14:47:39 <DocScrutinizer> seems there are two policies: either write your own accelerometer driver and keep it local in the branch specific to your device/distro, or simply use "upstream" however crappy it might be - meego chosen 2nd approach, OM first one
May 05 14:49:21 <DocScrutinizer> neither of both cares about "upstream", as long as it is about getting something fixed there
May 05 14:50:05 <Venemo> so, we should crap on MeeGo and take this issue to upstream ourselves
May 05 14:52:28 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not going to do this as the frontman. I might join in helping, as I'd get flamed about my ignorance regarding "best practice" at "upstream kernel development" which I really don't get the point of
May 05 14:53:25 <Venemo> I'll open a bug about this on kernel.org
May 05 14:53:48 <DocScrutinizer> seems like every fool can push a crappy piece of shit driver upstream, and nobody ever will care about a proper solution after that
May 05 14:54:27 <Venemo> hehe
May 05 14:54:31 <DocScrutinizer> my idea of sw development and system architecture been fundamentally different
May 05 14:55:50 <DocScrutinizer> hell, not even Harald Welte - the original author of the OM driver and also a known kernel hacker (netfilters et al) - bothered to push this driver upstream
May 05 14:56:38 <DocScrutinizer> there's definitely sth fishy, either in the driver, or in the way upstream kernel maintenance is done
May 05 14:56:46 <Venemo> after a quick search of lis302 on kernel.org bugzilla, I get "Zarro Boogs found. "
May 05 14:57:24 <Sicelo_> just a quick question: cat /proc/cpuinfo needs root access on N900?
May 05 14:57:31 <DocScrutinizer> well, the upstream driver isn't buggy - it's just braindamaged crap
May 05 14:57:39 <Venemo> yeah
May 05 14:57:51 <Venemo> being braindamaged crap fits into "buggy"
May 05 14:58:21 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# ll /proc/cpuinfo
May 05 14:58:23 <DocScrutinizer> -r--r--r-- 1 root root 0 2011-05-05 16:56 /proc/cpuinfo
May 05 14:58:41 <DocScrutinizer> Sicelo_: the answer is "NO"
May 05 14:59:04 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, is the chip called "lis302"?
May 05 14:59:11 <DocScrutinizer> lis302dl
May 05 14:59:15 <DocScrutinizer> iirc
May 05 14:59:34 <Venemo> ~iirc
May 05 14:59:35 <infobot> somebody said iirc was "if I recall correctly"
May 05 14:59:39 <Venemo> thx
May 05 15:00:11 <Venemo> google doesn't find anything either on "lis302dl" site:https://bugzilla.kernel.org/
May 05 15:00:20 <DocScrutinizer> don't forget to mention me ;-D
May 05 15:00:27 <Venemo> what?
May 05 15:00:43 <Venemo> oh, okay :P
May 05 15:00:43 <Sicelo_> ty DocScrutinizer :)
May 05 15:00:44 <DocScrutinizer> thought you're going to open a ticket
May 05 15:00:53 <Venemo> yes, I think I'm going to
May 05 15:01:36 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: what's your problem with google? first hit here is the datasheet
May 05 15:02:24 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.st.com/stonline/books/pdf/docs/12726.pdf
May 05 15:02:32 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, I was specifically looking for any possibly extisting bugreport. so I added site:https://bugzilla.kernel.org/ to my search query
May 05 15:02:43 <DocScrutinizer> aah
May 05 15:03:11 <Venemo> you know, maybe someone has noticed this before?
May 05 15:04:32 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.de/search?hl=de&q=lis302dl+bug&aq=f&aqi=&aql=&oq=
May 05 15:05:35 <Venemo> no bugs at kernel.org anyway, nor any "upstream" places as I can see
May 05 15:05:36 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.google.com/search?hl=en&q=lis3lv02+bug&aq=f&aqi=&oq=
May 05 15:06:06 <DocScrutinizer> check lis3lv02, iirc that's the name of the braindead upsteam driver
May 05 15:06:47 <Venemo> lis3lv02 seems to be a totally different chip
May 05 15:07:29 <Venemo> or I dunno, but it sounds differently
May 05 15:09:35 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, actually it sounds a little bit different
May 05 15:10:16 <Venemo> maybe lis3lv02 doesn't even support the stuff that lis302dl does? so actually maybe the braindamaged driver isn't that braindamaged after all?
May 05 15:16:01 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: the register mapping seems to mach 1:1 on a fast scan
May 05 15:16:12 <Venemo> hmm
May 05 15:16:12 <DocScrutinizer> match*
May 05 15:16:18 <Venemo> then what's the difference?
May 05 15:16:51 <Venemo> I also don't understand how can this stuff be used for joysticks too?
May 05 15:16:53 <DocScrutinizer> upper sample freq for lis302dl=400 , for lis3lv02 aiui 640
May 05 15:17:14 <DocScrutinizer> range lis302dl +-8g, lis3lv02 +-6g
May 05 15:17:38 <DocScrutinizer> (joysticks) freehand
May 05 15:18:07 <Venemo> freehand?
May 05 15:18:41 <DocScrutinizer> not mounted to a desk
May 05 15:18:52 <Venemo> mhmm
May 05 15:18:53 <DocScrutinizer> a stick with a cable on it
May 05 15:19:03 <SpeedEvil> The lv partt has a bit less noise, and no doubleclcikc
May 05 15:19:04 <Venemo> ahh, that kind of joystick
May 05 15:19:09 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: maemo driver is named lis302dl
May 05 15:19:19 <DocScrutinizer> :-D
May 05 15:19:27 <Venemo> okay
May 05 15:19:53 <DocScrutinizer> so you could argue meego is even using the WRONG driver
May 05 15:20:04 <Venemo> what if we pretended we don't know anything about the crappy "lis3lv02" driver and would just submit the lis302dl driver to upstream.
May 05 15:20:09 <DocScrutinizer> and larsc can't say there's already a driver upstream
May 05 15:20:17 <Venemo> hahaah!
May 05 15:20:21 <Venemo> exactly my thinking :)
May 05 15:20:24 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 05 15:20:39 <DocScrutinizer> I'll ask larsc
May 05 15:20:49 <Venemo> who is larsc?
May 05 15:25:18 <Venemo> so the braindamaged driver could still be used on the lis3lv02 chips, and the lis302dl from OM would be used for the lis302dl. then everyone would be happy.
May 05 15:25:23 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, whatdooyouthink?
May 05 15:26:13 <DocScrutinizer> chating with larsc
May 05 15:41:35 <shanttu> any ideas why video recording lags? just flashed cssu away, tried with and without oc (voltage default)
May 05 15:45:50 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, the braindamaged crap claims to "support" the lis302dl too... http://git.kernel.org/?p=linux/kernel/git/torvalds/linux-2.6.git;a=blob;f=Documentation/misc-devices/lis3lv02d
May 05 15:49:46 <DocScrutinizer> Venemo: I still think it is crap, and claiming it supports lis302dl doesn't change that. But meh, it makes things difficult of course
May 05 15:52:30 <Venemo> DocScrutinizer, obviously it's crap. "But meh, it makes things difficult of course" <--- this is what I'm concerned about.
May 05 15:53:47 <DocScrutinizer> yeah
May 05 16:17:06 <Sazpaimon> does anyone have a fix for the silent alarm>
May 05 16:18:18 <Venemo> wut?
May 05 16:18:37 <Sazpaimon> occasionally my alarm will simply not emit any sound
May 05 16:18:49 <Sazpaimon> it almost always happens when you leave it ringing
May 05 16:18:59 <Sazpaimon> it'll eventually stop, but it won't ring again
May 05 16:19:30 <Venemo> mhm
May 05 16:19:37 <Sazpaimon> on every other nokia phone that I've ever used in the past 10 years, it'll automatically snooze the alarm
May 05 16:20:03 <Sazpaimon> occasionally however, the alarm will neglect to make any sound during normal operation
May 05 16:20:16 <Sazpaimon> thats what really bugs me
May 05 16:20:49 <Sazpaimon> the alarm screen will come up, but it wont make any sound
May 05 16:21:03 <Sazpaimon> its as if the alarm keeps ringing but the phone just won't emit any sound
May 05 16:40:05 <lolcat> Do I have to install backup-whatever to take a full backup?
May 05 16:46:49 <merlin1991> the inbuild back up should take care of backing up contacts / sms / calendar and a few system settings
May 05 16:48:23 <psychologe> has someone install nessus in easy debian
May 05 17:06:12 <merlin1991> X-Fade: ping
May 05 17:31:19 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon: indeed the maemo alarm in calendar is absolutely useless, and the alarm in clock is quite errr "better use a real alarm clock"
May 05 17:31:37 <DocScrutinizer> Sazpaimon: fix would be to use another alarm app
May 05 17:32:44 <DocScrutinizer> I gave up on it more or less, and I'm using N810 alarm which is really way better in my opinion
May 05 17:35:29 <ShadowJK> N810 alarm has been much less reliable for me
May 05 17:36:12 <Toba> what kind of consumer are you? buy the newest gadget, which will surely work better
May 05 17:40:25 <pupnik> when i was a kid, high-tech was a digital clock radio by my bedside
May 05 17:40:36 <pupnik> a different world...
May 05 18:11:48 <DocScrutinizer> when I was a child "digital clocks" had mechanical latches falling down every minute to show the new digit
May 05 18:12:20 <gn00b> you're as old as i am
May 05 18:36:31 <mcepl> I have N900 with the latest Community SSU constantly rebooting after second or so of booting up, so it never completes boot. I cannot find this recorded on bugzilla. Anybody seen this? Is there any work around it?
May 05 18:39:53 <Wizzup> is there an easy way to add additional mounts to my startup? fstab is auto generated, I just want a bind mount
May 05 18:41:15 <mcepl> looks like https://bugs.maemo.org/show_bug.cgi?id=12017 but it doesn't seem to have much workaround.
May 05 18:41:16 <povbot> Bug 12017: N900 stuck in boot loop
May 05 18:42:52 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: hmm, multiboot? nitdroid?
May 05 18:43:10 <mcepl> no, plain Maemo (w/Community SSU repo though)
May 05 18:43:39 <mcepl> and advanced kernel (if it still matters in CSSU age)
May 05 18:45:20 <DocScrutinizer> hmmm, rootfs filled up?
May 05 18:47:47 <mcepl> hmm, no idea ... cannot check when I am not able to boot :(
May 05 18:51:19 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: add a file to etc/init.d/* and link it to etc/rcX.d/S*
May 05 18:53:28 <mcepl> DocScrutinizer: do you think there is anything else to do than Reflash?
May 05 18:55:44 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: boot to another system (e.g. meego, rescue-initrd), mount the maemo rootfs, and check and clean
May 05 18:56:29 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: thanks, I suppose I have to be really careful?
May 05 18:57:18 <DocScrutinizer> can't do much harm
May 05 18:57:24 <Wizzup> ok
May 05 18:57:32 <Wizzup> last time I tried to edit it I bricked my device
May 05 18:57:40 <DocScrutinizer> just avoid to mount the wrong partition
May 05 18:57:54 <mcepl> DocScrutinizer: do you have any URL how to do it (rescue-initrd)?
May 05 18:57:55 <Wizzup> oh, but it's a -o bind
May 05 18:58:00 <Wizzup> So it doesn't involve partitions :)
May 05 18:58:10 <DocScrutinizer> ooops
May 05 18:58:14 <DocScrutinizer> sorry
May 05 18:58:26 <DocScrutinizer> mixed you two guys up
May 05 18:58:39 <Wizzup> ?
May 05 18:59:15 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: there can't be much problems in what I suggested to you
May 05 18:59:24 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: mompls
May 05 18:59:55 <Wizzup> ok
May 05 19:00:10 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: http://wiki.meego.com/ARM/N900/Using_Rescue_Initrd
May 05 19:00:43 <Wizzup> So, if I understand this correctly: rcX.d/S* is automatically launched?
May 05 19:01:06 <Wizzup> everything in it
May 05 19:01:09 <DocScrutinizer> S99* I suggest. Yes all starting with S are autolaunched
May 05 19:01:15 <Wizzup> ok, ty
May 05 19:01:33 <DocScrutinizer> I'm not sure about the correct runlevel
May 05 19:01:46 <DocScrutinizer> the X in rcX.d
May 05 19:01:56 <DocScrutinizer> checj etc/inittab
May 05 19:02:09 <DocScrutinizer> as maemo is somewhat nonstandard here
May 05 19:02:17 <DocScrutinizer> I think it's 2
May 05 19:02:55 <Wizzup> ok
May 05 19:03:27 <DocScrutinizer> it's 2, yes
May 05 19:03:44 <DocScrutinizer> IroN900:~# runlevel
May 05 19:03:45 <DocScrutinizer> N 2
May 05 19:03:55 <mcepl> DocScrutinizer: thanks, will try
May 05 19:03:56 <Wizzup> weird
May 05 19:03:57 <Wizzup> ok, thx
May 05 19:05:46 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: just use the shortest other file there as a pattern
May 05 19:05:49 <DocScrutinizer> example
May 05 19:06:05 <Wizzup> What do you mean? I think it works now
May 05 19:06:06 * Wizzup just rebooted
May 05 19:07:31 <Wizzup> I wonder... since the mount -o bind uses the /media/mmc1 partition, am I not called it too early?
May 05 19:07:59 <DocScrutinizer> well, I just suggested you have a look at e.g. /etc/init.d/hwclock and copy&edit for your own file
May 05 19:08:07 <Wizzup> o, sorry.
May 05 19:08:14 <DocScrutinizer> S99 is last one to get caled
May 05 19:10:12 <DocScrutinizer> there are cmdline tools that check the lengthy comment for info about dependencies, and create the correct symlink from /etc/init.d/XX to /etc/rcM.d/SNN-XX
May 05 19:10:41 <DocScrutinizer> but for your own system you probably get away with not bothering about anything of that
May 05 19:10:51 <Wizzup> I didn't see any deps in hwclock
May 05 19:10:55 <Wizzup> But perhaps that's why you suggested it
May 05 19:10:56 <Wizzup> :)
May 05 19:11:26 <DocScrutinizer> actually it has no requered-start:
May 05 19:12:05 <DocScrutinizer> look at hal
May 05 19:12:33 <Wizzup> hm
May 05 19:13:22 <DocScrutinizer> . /lib/lsb/init-functions
May 05 19:13:28 <DocScrutinizer> is kinda notable
May 05 19:13:56 <DocScrutinizer> as is the
May 05 19:14:02 <DocScrutinizer> case "$1" in
May 05 19:14:03 <DocScrutinizer>   start)
May 05 19:14:56 <Wizzup> I don't follow, why exactly is that notable?
May 05 19:15:04 <DocScrutinizer> friggin maemo, other distros have a init.d/skel
May 05 19:15:13 <Wizzup> Yeha, I've written some gentoo init scripts before
May 05 19:15:40 <DocScrutinizer> the case "$1" is mandatory for the way init calls those scripts in rcX.d
May 05 19:16:45 <DocScrutinizer> the source /lib/lsb/init-functions includes some common notification function and other auxiliary helpers used by init
May 05 19:17:04 <DocScrutinizer> you probably don't need it if you have absolutely none of them
May 05 19:18:12 <Wizzup> I really just have a mount command in start and unmount in stop, and the case "$1" in stuff from hwclock
May 05 19:19:12 <DocScrutinizer> sufficient then
May 05 19:20:16 <Wizzup> Also, now that I'm here... Any suggestion for a folder based music player?
May 05 19:20:28 <Wizzup> I found someplayer to be a bit uneasy
May 05 19:24:55 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: It doesn't seem to be started on boot yet, any idea? http://paste.villavu.com/show/622/
May 05 19:25:10 <Wizzup> Starting it manually works
May 05 19:30:32 <jrayhawk> I've noticed mplayer tends to just stop abruptly in the face of various system events, such as the GPIO phone slide or any message alerts; is that the sort of uneasiness you're talking about?
May 05 19:31:47 <DocScrutinizer> you made a link from the file to /etc/rc2.d/S99-bindmount-user ?
May 05 19:32:06 <DocScrutinizer> you set it to executable?
May 05 19:32:11 <Wizzup> yes
May 05 19:32:23 <Wizzup> # ls -l S99mount_wizzup
May 05 19:32:23 <Wizzup> lrwxrwxrwx    1 root     root           24 May  5 21:02 S99mount_wizzup -> /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup
May 05 19:32:30 <Wizzup> # ls -l /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup
May 05 19:32:31 <Wizzup> -rwxr-xr-x    1 root     root         1496 May  5 21:17 /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup
May 05 19:32:40 <Wizzup> ( I hope that wasn't too much paste :) )
May 05 19:32:47 <DocScrutinizer> nah
May 05 19:33:25 <DocScrutinizer> and the S99 is in /etc/rc2.d/ ?
May 05 19:33:35 <Wizzup> yes
May 05 19:33:47 <DocScrutinizer> weird, should get started
May 05 19:34:04 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it gets started but your cmd fails?
May 05 19:34:06 <Wizzup> I was a bit unsure about the levels that you give in the file
May 05 19:34:11 <Wizzup> Well, it works when I run it manually
May 05 19:34:18 <Wizzup>  eg /etc/init.d/mount_wizzup start
May 05 19:34:31 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, never assume $PATH to be set to anything, in scripts
May 05 19:34:45 <Wizzup> Don't think I use it
May 05 19:34:57 <DocScrutinizer> what's your command?
May 05 19:35:29 <Wizzup> Did you see the paste? I don't understand otherwise
May 05 19:35:39 <Wizzup> It's a mount call with absolute paths
May 05 19:35:41 <DocScrutinizer> oops, npo
May 05 19:36:05 <DocScrutinizer> call mount with full path
May 05 19:36:16 <Wizzup> oh.
May 05 19:36:18 <Wizzup> Good idea
May 05 19:38:49 <Wizzup> dang, it's still not called
May 05 19:39:20 * Wizzup will add a touch /somefile to see if it's actually called
May 05 19:39:32 <DocScrutinizer> insert `touch /root/test`
May 05 19:39:39 <DocScrutinizer> heh
May 05 19:39:42 <Wizzup> yeh, was going to use /tmp
May 05 19:39:56 <Wizzup> root is a better idea
May 05 19:39:57 <DocScrutinizer> this wasn't an answer
May 05 19:40:09 <DocScrutinizer> just a race
May 05 19:41:31 <DocScrutinizer> actually "echo one >>/root/testlog"  ... "echo two, three, exit >>/root/testlog"
May 05 19:42:28 <Wizzup> nothing in /root/
May 05 19:42:29 <DocScrutinizer> /sbin/mount -o bind,foo,bar X Y >>/root/testlog
May 05 19:42:35 <Wizzup> Isn't it /bin/ ?
May 05 19:42:42 <DocScrutinizer> o.O
May 05 19:42:55 <DocScrutinizer> indeed
May 05 19:43:26 <compengi> hello.. after i rebooted n900, the virtual keyboard stopped working. maybe the process is still up somewhere? or how do i know what's wrong?
May 05 19:43:56 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: perhaps the Default-Start is wrong
May 05 19:44:13 <Wizzup> I think it needs an S
May 05 19:44:35 <Wizzup> hwclock has it, and I think hal doesn't because it's a dep of others
May 05 19:45:12 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: that'S only for adding a symlink to rcS.d which isn't what you want I guess
May 05 19:45:27 <Wizzup> ok
May 05 19:45:33 <DocScrutinizer> and only if tools like insserv deal with installing that file
May 05 19:45:39 <compengi> by stopped working i mean, stopped popping out
May 05 19:45:54 <DocScrutinizer> compengi: check your settings
May 05 19:46:21 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, i did that, it's enabled there
May 05 19:46:29 <DocScrutinizer> hmm
May 05 19:48:07 <DocScrutinizer> so I have to admit I have no idea
May 05 19:48:36 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: Shall I just add every runlevel to it?
May 05 19:48:45 * Wizzup is out of ideas
May 05 19:48:48 <DocScrutinizer> should work on 2
May 05 19:49:17 <Wizzup> I see not every init scripts has all that parseable info
May 05 19:49:23 <Wizzup> ssh doesn't have it
May 05 19:49:37 <Wizzup> nvm, it's probably not in rcX.d
May 05 19:49:48 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, i clicked the turn off button and then accidentally clicked on lock device button, it asked me to insert the code so i tapped on the outside region, then it asked me if i want to turn off the device, i clicked on yes. i started the device again, inserted the unlock code and the sim code, maemo loaded then i noticed that the virtual keyboard doesn't work
May 05 19:49:56 <DocScrutinizer> that info isn't used on maemo I think
May 05 19:50:15 <DocScrutinizer> Wizzup: add it to 2,3,4,5
May 05 19:50:40 <DocScrutinizer> as your INIT INFO says
May 05 19:51:02 <Wizzup> Perhaps touch didn't work, because I didn't use the complete path...?
May 05 19:51:11 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: ah, ok
May 05 19:51:27 <Wizzup> I could also remove 3,4,5? Don't know if that matters
May 05 19:51:31 <Wizzup> Better to add to multiple I suppose
May 05 19:52:25 <Sicelo_>  ~wut
May 05 19:52:25 <infobot> rumour has it, wut is a lamer way of saying what
May 05 19:52:43 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, maybe the virtual keyboard process is running, do you know the process's name?
May 05 19:53:15 <DocScrutinizer> maybe it's runing, maybe not. who cares? Didn't say you rebooted?
May 05 19:53:26 <compengi> yeah
May 05 19:53:48 <Wizzup> reboot kills all processes
May 05 19:53:48 <DocScrutinizer> there's no such process I guess, well not exactly and always at least
May 05 19:54:43 <DocScrutinizer> compengi: you're aware you have to click to set focus, so the vkbd pops up?
May 05 19:56:26 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, of course.. i actually use it more than the hardware keyboard. i tried to tap with my finger and with the stylus in several applications, nothing happened
May 05 19:57:26 <Wizzup> DocScrutinizer: no dice :(
May 05 19:57:35 <DocScrutinizer> incredible
May 05 19:58:15 <DocScrutinizer> make sure your links in /etc/rc2|3|4.d look like lrwxrwxrwx 1 root root 20 2009-10-30 12:40 S99zzinitdone -> ../init.d/zzinitdone
May 05 19:59:10 <DocScrutinizer> -rwxr-xr-x 1 root root  992 2009-10-26 08:41 /etc/init.d/zzinitdone
May 05 19:59:16 <Wizzup> yeah, I used ln -s
May 05 19:59:36 <Wizzup> The *only* difference is that my ln is an absolute path
May 05 19:59:39 <Wizzup> Whereas theirs is relative
May 05 19:59:52 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, noticed that
May 05 20:00:01 <Wizzup> And that can't be it. If that's it, I'll eat something close to me, don't know what yet
May 05 20:00:53 <Wizzup> Could I use event.d?
May 05 20:02:33 <Wizzup> \o/
May 05 20:02:42 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, ah.. it works again after reboot
May 05 20:02:47 <DocScrutinizer> well, you could, but I always felt it's more clumsy
May 05 20:05:18 <DocScrutinizer> really, I don't get it. You have a link in /etc/rc2.d/S99whatever that points to /etc/init.d/foobar which is set 755 and has shebang and yet your file isn't executed at all, not even first line after shebang when you add a `echo xxx >>/root/test` there?
May 05 20:05:55 <Wizzup> no, I added the touch to start()
May 05 20:06:16 <DocScrutinizer> add it before
May 05 20:06:23 <Wizzup> ok,sec
May 05 20:06:31 <DocScrutinizer> to ""main""
May 05 20:06:52 <Wizzup> event.d seems to work, back to the other method
May 05 20:06:54 <Wizzup> give me a sec
May 05 20:06:54 <DocScrutinizer> also make sure you got that link in rc2.d, rc3.d, and rc4.d
May 05 20:07:07 <Wizzup> and rc5.d
May 05 20:07:17 <DocScrutinizer> umm, nope prolly not
May 05 20:07:29 <Wizzup> hm, but I have the number 5 in there too?
May 05 20:07:33 <DocScrutinizer> afaik rc5 is act_dea aka charging
May 05 20:07:38 <Wizzup> oh
May 05 20:07:39 <DocScrutinizer> act_dead
May 05 20:07:45 <Wizzup> heh
May 05 20:08:24 <DocScrutinizer> won't hurt to keep your stuff mounted there, but actually I'd discourrage to add it there
May 05 20:08:38 <Wizzup> yeah, I removed it
May 05 20:09:48 <DocScrutinizer> darn, this works for a virtually unlimited number of other apps
May 05 20:10:14 <DocScrutinizer> you made your call look like /bin/mount ..... ?
May 05 20:10:21 <Wizzup> yes
May 05 20:10:44 <DocScrutinizer> I'm puzzled
May 05 20:10:46 <Wizzup> Let's see if it works now
May 05 20:11:24 <Wizzup> :/ no dice
May 05 20:11:51 <Wizzup> http://paste.villavu.com/show/623/
May 05 20:12:53 <DocScrutinizer> please use echo, not /bin/touch
May 05 20:12:53 <Wizzup> Hm, perhaps because I don't have a force-reload command? Just wondering, perhaps there's some ``syntax error''
May 05 20:12:56 <Wizzup> ok
May 05 20:13:05 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 05 20:13:15 <DocScrutinizer> there's no parameter check in init
May 05 20:13:21 <Wizzup> ok
May 05 20:13:34 <DocScrutinizer> it simply calls all S* with parameter start
May 05 20:14:05 <Wizzup> changed to echo "HI" >> /root/wizzup
May 05 20:14:11 <DocScrutinizer> and all K* with parameter stop
May 05 20:16:03 <Wizzup> I've turned it into an echo. Do I need to use /bin/echo or just echo?
May 05 20:16:14 <DocScrutinizer> no
May 05 20:16:34 <DocScrutinizer> just echo, it's a busybox builtin for all I understand
May 05 20:16:59 <DocScrutinizer> case "$1" in
May 05 20:17:01 <DocScrutinizer>   start)
May 05 20:17:02 <DocScrutinizer>         if [ ! -e /tmp/first-boot-flag-tmp ]; then
May 05 20:17:04 <DocScrutinizer>             echo -n "Starting $DESC: "
May 05 20:18:51 <Wizzup> I simply don't know anymore
May 05 20:19:03 <Wizzup> event.d worked, so I suppose I could put it in there :/
May 05 20:20:58 <DocScrutinizer> all I can see is the usuall exit 0  missing at very end of your file
May 05 20:21:52 <DocScrutinizer> eally don't get it
May 05 20:22:04 <DocScrutinizer> well, bbl
May 05 20:22:09 <Wizzup> thx for the help
May 05 20:22:16 <DocScrutinizer> not for that
May 05 20:22:25 <DocScrutinizer> :-S
May 05 20:24:50 <DocScrutinizer> and of course your symlink been absolute rather than relative. If init runs in a chroot or pivotroot (aka initrd), but I think in never did on maemo5... .oO(???)
May 05 20:25:40 <compengi> are there any packages to change the slider type screen unlock to a pattern type?
May 05 20:26:06 <DocScrutinizer> I seem to recall somebody hacked sth
May 05 20:26:46 <DocScrutinizer> not sure about pattern, but differnet backgrounds, and maybe also different widgets
May 05 20:27:26 <compengi> aha.. can you point it out for me please?
May 05 20:27:39 <DocScrutinizer> sorry, no clue
May 05 20:28:04 <DocScrutinizer> try http://maemo.org/packages/
May 05 20:31:42 <DocScrutinizer> http://maemo.org/packages/search/?org_maemo_packages_search[1][property]=name&org_maemo_packages_search[1][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[1][value]=lock&org_maemo_packages_search[2][property]=title&org_maemo_packages_search[2][constraint]=LIKE&org_maemo_packages_search[2][value]=same soory for al the blocks and clocks
May 05 20:32:17 <DocScrutinizer> don't think there's really anything
May 05 20:32:30 <DocScrutinizer> but check for yourself
May 05 20:33:16 <DocScrutinizer> actually changing slider lock to pattern lock doesn't make much sense
May 05 20:33:48 <DocScrutinizer> at least to me right now
May 05 20:35:03 <compengi> nope.. nothing :/
May 05 20:36:04 <DocScrutinizer> why do you need that?
May 05 20:36:18 <DocScrutinizer> what's wrong with slider?
May 05 20:38:14 <compengi> because it's a higher security than a slider and a more confusing and more styler than a code lock
May 05 20:38:46 <compengi> styler/stylish
May 05 20:39:19 <mcepl> DocScrutinizer: any idea how to find free space on drive when the image you suggested doesn't have df?
May 05 20:39:26 <mcepl> somewhere in /proc I guess ...
May 05 20:40:28 <DocScrutinizer> compengi: you're aware that he slider unlock as well unlocks with lockslider switch on right side of device?
May 05 20:41:07 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: ooof
May 05 20:41:13 <DocScrutinizer> nfc
May 05 20:41:19 <mcepl> ?
May 05 20:41:30 <DocScrutinizer> ~nfc
May 05 20:41:30 <infobot> from memory, nfc is No Fucking Clue
May 05 20:41:46 <evilbulgarian> anyone have issues with multiboot-kernel-power and the recent upgrade?
May 05 20:41:52 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: you're lost on intrd?
May 05 20:42:33 <mcepl> lost? I have booted from the image/initrd you suggested, but it is so plain, that its busybox doesn't have even df
May 05 20:42:47 <DocScrutinizer> yes
May 05 20:42:48 <mcepl> and I am too lazy to look for another image :( but I probably will have to.
May 05 20:43:30 <DocScrutinizer> suggested method is to first mount some other fs where some proper tools can get started from
May 05 20:43:50 <mcepl> ha,
May 05 20:44:00 <DocScrutinizer> I never had a look into it, maybe somebody else here can help
May 05 20:44:25 <DocScrutinizer> there are other gotchas as well, with e.g. missing keys on kbd, like / etc
May 05 20:44:40 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: ping
May 05 20:44:47 <DocScrutinizer> MohammadAG: can you help out?
May 05 20:45:10 <mcepl> what's R&D mode?
May 05 20:45:53 <DocScrutinizer> it enables root, and also allows you to stop some watchdogs
May 05 20:46:20 <DocScrutinizer> switches on tty console interface on testpoints under bat
May 05 20:47:03 <mcepl> ok, let's try that ... it cannot be much more useless than this
May 05 20:47:19 <DocScrutinizer> doesn't help most probably
May 05 20:47:42 <mcepl> MohammadAG was suggesting it in #maemo-ssu ...
May 05 20:48:01 <DocScrutinizer> hmm, ok
May 05 20:48:05 <DocScrutinizer> try it
May 05 20:48:50 <DocScrutinizer> but actually it won't help in itself, maybe one of the watchdog options I always forget their name
May 05 20:49:45 <compengi> DocScrutinizer, of course it use that too.. but i was thinking of something nicer and more secured
May 05 20:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: mount -t ubifs /dev/mtd4?? /some/local/dir
May 05 20:51:47 <DocScrutinizer> PATH=$PATH:/some/local/dir/bin:/some/local/dir/sbin...
May 05 20:52:13 <DocScrutinizer> to access the original busybox of maemo, plus other tools
May 05 20:52:20 <Kuka> hello, I have some noob questions about CSSU and v47, will someone help me by pm?
May 05 20:52:24 <mcepl> BTW, the result in R&D mode is the same, except no shaking on bootup
May 05 20:52:48 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, plus other funny gimmiks
May 05 20:52:56 <mcepl> Kuka: not by PM, ask here
May 05 20:53:20 <Kuka> Ok, promise me not to have fun with me. :P
May 05 20:53:33 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: try flasher --help and chose that R&D flag that says sth like --no-restart-on-foobar
May 05 20:54:29 <mcepl> I don't see it here
May 05 20:54:55 <DocScrutinizer> umm --set-rd-flags=no-lifeguard-reset
May 05 20:55:05 <Kuka> As I read, CSSU is a cool project, which is pure member work. It has things like portraid mode which I need badly, so planning to update to CSSU now. But it was unstable at the beggining. Is it stable now?
May 05 20:55:05 <mcepl> that I had there
May 05 20:55:27 <mcepl> Kuka: it was very stable to me ... until now ;)
May 05 20:55:37 <DocScrutinizer> Kuka: kinda
May 05 20:55:55 <Kuka> O_o why until now?
May 05 20:56:19 <DocScrutinizer> because he filled up his / probably, and got a bootloop
May 05 20:56:20 <mcepl> I have now some troubles (might be unrelated to Community SSU image and given by something else)
May 05 20:57:06 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: you got backups?
May 05 20:58:04 <Kuka> hm.. I am walking on a rope, I will fall to one side but dunno which :) DocS' uncertain answer was strong enough though. Now need some couragement for update to CSSU :S
May 05 21:01:13 <Kuka> ok, now v47. Same question for that too, I see it has some probs like battery widget is not properly working, and some sms issues. What is con's for v47? Better responsiveness, more coverage area for wifi (was something like that) and?
May 05 21:04:09 <Kuka> I am afraid of some unstability issues atm, cos have finals incoming and can't spend a day for reflash.. Should I wait some more?
May 05 21:04:27 <DocScrutinizer> v47 has some additional features, but afaik no improved old functions
May 05 21:04:37 <DocScrutinizer> improvements are only in cssu
May 05 21:05:32 <lolcat> I got an HTC Desire to use while they determine wheater or not my phone does not work
May 05 21:05:35 <DocScrutinizer> you should do a proper backup, so you can restore - just in case. For me cssu worked rather nice for like some months now
May 05 21:06:43 <DocScrutinizer> Kuka: there's #maemo-ssu where you find more specific answers
May 05 21:07:01 <Kuka> I am not into some injection job for these days, I didn't even try without lxp's drivers for WEP. So injection thing is not a "must have to" for me, at least for now. What does it bring new..?
May 05 21:07:12 <Kuka> ok, will ask CSSU questions there :)
May 05 21:08:08 <DocScrutinizer> Kuka: I hope PKv47 fixed a flaw of missing drivers for CD / DVD
May 05 21:08:20 <Kuka> CD? for host mode?
May 05 21:08:24 <DocScrutinizer> yep
May 05 21:08:40 <Kuka> nah. I don't need that too.
May 05 21:08:58 <DocScrutinizer> whatever
May 05 21:09:02 <mcepl> it's weird ... now I switched back to the production mode, cleared rd flags, but now it doesn't want to boot at all
May 05 21:09:22 <DocScrutinizer> mmmpf
May 05 21:09:51 <DocScrutinizer> well, seeya folks
May 05 21:10:05 <Kuka> If it doesn't contain anything I need then updating is now critical. v46 pretty stable for me atm.
May 05 21:10:18 <Kuka> thanks for answers, see you :)
May 05 21:10:39 <Kuka> *updating is not critical.
May 05 21:21:18 <mcepl> damned ... it booted with switched off background light ... it is completely unreadable
May 05 21:30:44 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: keep in mind you need a properly charged battery for flashing. And probably none of your actions since a few hours charged the battery
May 05 21:33:01 <mcepl> DocScrutinizer: given them when I connect phone to the power, it starts its crazy rebooting, not sure how to charge it
May 05 21:33:45 <DocScrutinizer> that's what I meant
May 05 21:34:00 <Kuka> Seems you need a 5800 :S
May 05 21:34:10 <mcepl> hopefully when it stays connected to the USB it can charge that way
May 05 21:34:28 <mcepl> OK, enough of fiddling, I think it is time to reflash ... sorry
May 05 21:36:00 <DocScrutinizer> mcepl: no it won't charge unless it actually shows amber flashing LED, when you connect it to charger without powering up
May 05 21:38:18 <mcepl> I had pretty much fully charged before this craziness, so hopefully we'll survive ...
May 05 21:38:22 <mcepl> anyway, here we go ...
May 05 21:39:35 <Kuka> wish u luck
May 05 21:40:01 <mcepl> I think we have amber and booting ... let's see
May 05 21:40:55 <mcepl> no, amber is gone and now it's booting ... for a loooooooong time
May 05 21:41:49 <Kuka> and?
May 05 21:42:24 <mcepl> we have a Nokia sound!
May 05 21:42:38 <SpeedEvil> mcepl: And Mr Hands?
May 05 21:43:01 <mcepl> yes, confirming language settings
May 05 21:43:31 <mcepl> awesome, I didn't even loose /home!
May 05 21:43:50 <nox-> what image did you flash, cssu?
May 05 21:45:57 <Kuka> cool :)
May 05 21:46:03 <mcepl> no, PR1.3
May 05 21:46:07 <nox-> ah
May 05 21:46:27 <mcepl> is there a flashable image of CSSU somewhere?
May 05 21:48:12 <nox-> actually im not sure, maybe not...
May 05 21:48:28 <nox-> http://wiki.maemo.org/Community_SSU_notes
May 05 21:48:45 <nox-> Get 20.1010.36-2 image -> http://tablets-dev.nokia.com/nokia_N900.php?f=RX-51_2009SE_20.2010.36-2_PR_COMBINED_MR0_ARM.bin
May 05 21:48:55 <nox-> that's just 1.3 right?
May 05 21:49:43 <mcepl> I think so
May 05 21:49:50 <nox-> ok
May 05 21:50:09 <mcepl> Upgrade from PR 1.3 global
May 05 21:50:14 <mcepl> is the table of the table
May 05 21:50:19 <nox-> yeah
May 05 21:50:22 <mcepl> *title
May 05 21:50:59 <DocScrutinizer> there's no fiasco for cssu
May 05 21:51:21 <DocScrutinizer> we couldn't even legally provide that
May 05 21:51:34 <nox-> i c
May 05 21:51:41 <Kuka> is there any way to text in portrait mode except fastsms? Fastsms' "sender part" kills me actually.
May 05 21:52:38 <Kuka> it can be *even* symbianlike!
May 05 22:01:21 <GNUtoo|laptop> but in another hand we could replace fiasco....with barebox(uboot v2)
May 05 22:01:47 <GNUtoo|laptop> altough If I understand well xloader can't be replaced yet
May 05 22:34:33 <SpeedEvil> Random - has anyone actually used a mirror LCD screen protector?
May 05 22:34:42 <SpeedEvil> Do they suck as badly as I'm imagining?
May 05 22:35:17 <GeneralAntilles> SpeedEvil: rear-projection or front?
May 05 22:37:17 <SpeedEvil> Protector, not projector.
May 05 22:37:29 <GeneralAntilles> Haha
May 05 22:37:31 <GeneralAntilles> Yes, that.
May 05 22:37:59 <GeneralAntilles> Dunno, like the BoxWave anti-glare protector.
May 05 22:38:29 <SpeedEvil> I was looking on ebay for actual solar  mirror film.
May 05 22:38:45 <SpeedEvil> 3m has some nice stuff that has >95% reflectance after a decade outside.
May 05 22:48:47 <lolcat> What do I need to do to get a maemo contributor cloak?
May 05 22:51:53 <chx> Sacrifice a black rooster at full moon?
May 05 22:52:46 <chx> lolcat: http://wiki.maemo.org/Task:maemo.org_IRC_cloaks did you read this
May 05 22:54:04 <lolcat> chx: I want a maemo/opensrouceadvocate please
May 05 22:54:14 <chx> why ask me?
May 05 22:54:27 <chx> i am noone , here
May 05 22:54:48 <chx> but that page says above 500 karma
May 05 22:54:52 <chx> do you have 500 karma?
May 05 22:54:54 <chx> http://wiki.maemo.org/Karma
May 05 22:56:02 <MohammadAG> maemo/opensrouceadvocate there's no such cloak anyways
May 05 22:56:40 <lolcat> Cloaks for Nokia employees and contractors should be as flexible as possible. For example, some valid cloak options might include:
May 05 22:56:43 <lolcat> * Maemo/opensourceadvocate
May 05 22:57:29 <lolcat> I would say I am a Nokia contractor
May 05 22:58:23 <lolcat> MohammadAG: So is it OK?
May 05 22:59:18 <MohammadAG> ...
May 05 22:59:20 <penguinbait> Maemo/community/contributor
May 05 22:59:25 <MohammadAG> You're not a Nokia contractor
May 05 22:59:48 <lolcat> what do you know about that?
May 05 23:00:02 <penguinbait> Maemo/community/detractor  ?
May 05 23:01:33 <lolcat> MohammadAG: Do you have a full list of people that are contractors for Nokia and their irc handles?
May 05 23:02:05 <MohammadAG> no, but usually Nokia contractors/employees have nat/nokia/* as their hostname
May 05 23:02:27 <MohammadAG> anyway, I don't handle cloaks
May 05 23:02:35 <MohammadAG> and I've never seen that cloak for anyone
May 05 23:02:39 <lolcat> I am not at work rigth now
May 05 23:03:00 <lolcat> And idependent contractors don't have those hostnames
May 05 23:03:42 <SpeedEvil> Everyone from nokia hangs out in #wp7 nowadays.
May 05 23:03:46 <SpeedEvil> (I doubt that exists)
May 05 23:04:39 <lolcat> bah
May 05 23:04:45 <lolcat> Looks like webOS is OK
May 05 23:04:56 <lolcat> Just have to get aptitude to run on it
May 05 23:26:28 <GAN900> lolcat, we don't have trouble filtering out trolls. :)
May 05 23:27:35 <lolcat> GAN900: from what?
May 05 23:27:49 <DocScrutinizer> everywhere
May 05 23:27:58 <GAN900> The cloak application process in particular, though.
May 05 23:28:23 <SpeedEvil>  Damn, that's what we need.
May 05 23:28:29 <SpeedEvil> maemo/troll cloaks.
May 05 23:28:30 <Proteous> if they ask you if you live under a bridge make sure you say no
May 05 23:28:34 <Proteous> it's a trick question
May 05 23:28:56 <DocScrutinizer> LOL@troll
May 05 23:29:30 <GAN900> SpeedEvil, yeah, but the cloakee has to agree to receive the cloak. :(
May 05 23:29:55 <DocScrutinizer> that's the point
May 05 23:30:16 <DocScrutinizer> while others are even fine with appropriate nicks
May 05 23:34:22 <DocScrutinizer> GAN900: btw I dunno if you can drop a cloak attached to your account
May 05 23:34:46 <GAN900> You can with the help of a staffer.
May 05 23:34:52 <GAN900> But not on your own as of yet.
May 05 23:34:53 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 05 23:35:41 <DocScrutinizer> so some maemo/troll cloaks actually would be funny
May 05 23:39:18 <SpeedEvil> I suspect doing that would get the cloak giver defrocked.
May 05 23:44:18 <DocScrutinizer> sure
May 05 23:46:49 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you ever disassembled a BL-5J?
May 05 23:47:22 <SpeedEvil> no
May 05 23:47:29 <SpeedEvil> Both mine work OK
May 05 23:48:01 <DocScrutinizer> my 3 as well
May 05 23:48:42 <DocScrutinizer> and I'd like to know how much and where I could mill off to make space for some additional electronic components
May 05 23:48:57 <DocScrutinizer> without that changing
May 05 23:51:03 <DocScrutinizer> usually the round sides are completely plastic - that should suffice for the *5300' component zoo
May 05 23:52:37 <DocScrutinizer> the top next to the contacts seems to hold even more unused space
May 05 23:53:15 <DocScrutinizer> looks likw 3*5*10mm^3
May 05 23:53:36 <SpeedEvil> My other idea was rather simpler.
May 05 23:53:39 <DocScrutinizer> mayb even 15
May 05 23:53:53 <DocScrutinizer> which one?
May 05 23:54:08 <SpeedEvil> Microb plugs - the assemblable ones - don't stick out that far when not properly assembled.
May 05 23:54:29 <DocScrutinizer> umm?
May 05 23:54:53 <DocScrutinizer> aaah USB plugs
May 05 23:54:57 <SpeedEvil> So a plug that plugs into the USB port is plausible
May 05 23:55:00 <SpeedEvil> oh - yes
May 05 23:55:30 <DocScrutinizer> yeah, but clumsy
May 05 23:55:42 <DocScrutinizer> I want a real charger cradle
May 05 23:55:52 <SpeedEvil> I mean to provide one
May 05 23:55:53 <DocScrutinizer> drop-in type
May 05 23:56:24 <DocScrutinizer> with 2 pogopins
May 05 23:56:39 <DocScrutinizer> 2 holes in back cover
May 05 23:56:57 <DocScrutinizer> two copper pads sticked to the battery
May 05 23:57:25 <DocScrutinizer> a Zener, a capacitor, a choke
May 05 23:58:01 <DocScrutinizer> flat connector to other side of battery, to some flimsy contact springs
May 05 23:58:02 <SpeedEvil> I was imagining something similar - but directly connected to USB port
May 05 23:59:00 <DocScrutinizer> well, usb port is a pita no matter from witch angle you look at it
May 05 23:59:12 <DocScrutinizer> which*
May 06 00:00:06 <DocScrutinizer> you can't 'auto'-mate it as it doesn't center
May 06 00:00:17 <nox-> wasnt the idea behind the usb charging that you'd no longer need a gazillion different chargers, all different?
May 06 00:00:19 <DocScrutinizer> you can't reach the solder pins
May 06 00:00:24 <SpeedEvil> nox-: yes
May 06 00:00:28 <SpeedEvil> nox-: And that's great.
May 06 00:00:39 <SpeedEvil> nox-: The problem is it makes docking connectors harder.
May 06 00:00:51 <nox-> i guess...
May 06 00:01:02 <SpeedEvil> nox-: My 1992? nokia 3310 had a cradle available - slam the phone down on it, and it mates nicely and charges.
May 06 00:01:14 <DocScrutinizer> but a flimsy USB port that is a pain to plug that friggin gigantic plug in to it, is no nice thing on the long run
May 06 00:01:17 <SpeedEvil> Without any possibility of damaging the connectors, or needing to be careful
May 06 00:02:03 <DocScrutinizer> and that's what I'm planning for the N900
May 06 00:02:32 <ds3> has anyone made progress with getting a compass onto the N900?
May 06 00:03:03 <DocScrutinizer> nah, nobody starte real hw mods on N900 yet - afaik
May 06 00:03:17 <SpeedEvil> ds3: It's got plausible now to put one in a SD card.
May 06 00:03:32 <ds3> yes, the SD card route
May 06 00:03:35 <SpeedEvil> ds3: As someone - freescale? has released a magnetometer that is just thin enough.
May 06 00:04:25 <SpeedEvil> http://www.freescale.com/webapp/sps/site/prod_summary.jsp?code=MAG3110&webpageId=129288320677672732B37A&nodeId=011269B37A&fromPage=tax
May 06 00:04:45 <ds3> oh blah
May 06 00:05:00 <ds3> what about a bluetooth compass? anyone make one?
May 06 00:05:36 <SpeedEvil> Dount it
May 06 00:08:45 <ds3> does Maemo have a sensor API if a BT compass is made?
May 06 00:10:11 <SpeedEvil> I doubt it.
May 06 00:11:12 <ds3> sigh
May 06 00:14:38 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: you noticed my finding about J2000:6 ?
May 06 00:15:40 <ds3> hmmm no one has that compass in stock
May 06 00:16:22 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: btw you also got D+/- on that pair of TPs
May 06 00:17:10 <DocScrutinizer> the single pair
May 06 00:18:05 <DocScrutinizer> comes in handy with hostmode
May 06 00:18:27 <DocScrutinizer> get a mugen back cover
May 06 00:18:46 <SpeedEvil> ds3: It's not quite released yetr.
May 06 00:18:57 <ds3> ah
May 06 00:19:02 <SpeedEvil> DocScrutinizer: J2000 is where?
May 06 00:19:09 <SpeedEvil> :6
May 06 00:19:10 <DocScrutinizer> see schematics
May 06 00:19:12 <ds3> who else makes a cheap single chip compass that is available?
May 06 00:19:39 <SpeedEvil> ds3: They are all a bit thicker, and won't possibly fit in a microSD
May 06 00:19:53 <ds3> SpeedEvil: I just want something to rig up with bluetooth
May 06 00:20:04 <SpeedEvil> ah
May 06 00:20:09 <SpeedEvil> Many people.
May 06 00:20:31 <SpeedEvil> honeywell, analog I think, itg
May 06 00:20:42 <DocScrutinizer> nokia has a funny numbering for those 2-rows tp arrays
May 06 00:20:44 <ds3> one that isn't $100 a pop
May 06 00:20:54 <ds3> I have seen the honeywell stuff and it is $$$$$$$$$$$
May 06 00:21:27 <DocScrutinizer> sparkfun
May 06 00:24:26 <DocScrutinizer> http://www.sparkfun.com/categories/83
May 06 00:25:06 <ds3> heh, a $300 compass module (digikey)
May 06 00:30:31 <DocScrutinizer> duh, seems I'm on another ignore list...
May 06 00:31:36 <DocScrutinizer> SpeedEvil: is that a 3-axis?
May 06 00:31:44 <SpeedEvil> yes
May 06 00:31:48 <DocScrutinizer> wow
May 06 00:32:04 <DocScrutinizer> thin 3-axis is hard to build
May 06 00:32:12 <SpeedEvil> Price is crashing.
May 06 00:33:08 <DocScrutinizer> maybe you can revamp some GMR heads form a HDD? ;-D
May 06 00:35:06 <T_X> just read about this MADDE and also saw that there is this gitorious project. is this SDK completely open source?
May 06 00:35:17 <T_X> and which is the right channel to ask questions about it :)?
May 06 00:35:30 <SpeedEvil> 2 dollars in ones.
May 06 02:48:21 <dangergrrl> hai
May 06 02:48:35 <dangergrrl> did i tell you today i LOVE my n900?
May 06 02:57:58 <fusi[n900]> i was just thinking exactly the same thing ^^
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